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Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.02 06:54:00 - [1] well in reality, artillery rips its target to shreads. Artillery in eve, well it tickles. the loss of speed means you need to fit either a shield or armor tank to your ship now. Missiles hit but not for much damage. Torps are horrendously weak even vs a target painted cruiser with a tank. Drones however, medium drones can keep up with an interceptor. ouch ouch ouch. Also, thank god ships only cost 100k isk on Sisi, the drones in space lag out all the grids so fast. Perhaps we really need drones revisited. Lag wise, they are the culprits, we all know it. Its just the solution would be to remove em from the game. Bit harsh on Gallente. Shame this wasn't spotted earlier on in the original game development. This nano-balance, its not that hard to work around. Impossible lag, thats just 'suffered' as no one wants to lose their precious drones (I know I'm training these up so I don't want to lose em either). -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.02 14:33:00 - [2] only Minmitar pilots should find cause for concern with the current state of play. All minmitar ships need their mass reduced a touch, there is no way a vagabond is as heavy as a deimos unless Minmitar started making their ships out of lead (but they look like cardboard). Caldari are able to do more than 0.1 damage to a nano ship now (around 20% of their full damage is received, that gives a nano-ship 80% resists instead of 99.99%). They are still unable to scramble and tank effectively, so still the lame duck. Yes, a passive tanked drake is going to hurt, but its not going to be able to scramble you and kill you. Just warp away. Gallente drones, ouch! These are incredibly potent with the speed reduction. Oh no, I have to change my midslot load out? Its really going to kill that shield tank you must be fitting isn't it !! Amarr ships can track and hit, nothing to be upset about here, these guys need some love. -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.02 15:44:00 - [3] meh, one nanofiber (to hit top speed fast), one overdrive (to give baseline speed up), one istab (so you don't lose speed turning) and the rest of lows = tank or gank at the moment. Anything else fails to achieve enough of a difference. -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.02 16:00:00 - [4] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean By allowing 20% damage against a nano ship instead of forcing ppl to tackle/slow it you are saying that all you need in EVE for combat is sheer numbers and DPS spam. Numbers, not at all. 1 v 1 is no longer a case of the winner automatically being the guy that brought a nano tank. Now you have to use some skill vs these opponents rather than setting orbit and pulsing your mwd. Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Range = 100% dmg reduction unless you fit to deal with it and use tactics to catch the hostile ships. quite right, a blaster ship 200km from a sniper doesn't win that fight. Need an interceptor to fly up to it so you can warp closer and now the fight is on the terms of the blaster, not the sniper. No loss of tactics so far, no need for blobs to be effective still. Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Are you gonna make every ship in the game lock and give every weapon in the game the ability to hit at 249km or even to the grid size, ie: visually infinite lock and range?. you are on drugs now. Your credibility plunges into the deepest depths of despair. What you say here is making the readers more stoopid. Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean POS bubble hugging + Station hugging + gate hugging = 100% dmg reduction unless you use tactics and provoke or bait the ships into aggroing so they cannot jump, enter the bubble or dock to avoid dmg or getting popped. Prove it Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Are you gonna make aggro timers start when a ship is getting SHOT AT instead of when IT shoots to prevent this as well?. Hows this related to a speed balance? Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean High speed = 99% tank unless you fit to deal with it and use tactics to catch the hostile ships. that tank is a side affect of the game engine not being able to handle those speeds. Speed should be a tank, just not invicibility vs non-huginn/rapier. Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Why nerf this and not the others..... Its just its turn again. There are nerfs and boosts all the time. Next nerf needs to be drones as they lag grids. Just try warping to a FFA that has no one there but gobs of drones. Like flying through treacle. Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean You cannot apply solo statistics or issues to gang vs gang pvp it does not work. I quite agree, solo in eve is the exception, not the rule. Its an MMO, go make some friends! -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.02 23:09:00 - [5] its the end of eve, can I have your stuff?? -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.02 23:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Elaine Celeste Your attitude disgusts me. Just because you're too stupid to think for yourself, and blob all the time, doesn't mean the rest of Eve should be forced to do the same. Oh, yah I'm definitely the stoopid one here :0 So you in a nano-gang of 5 ships vs one macro ratting raven is definitely not a blob. Ammirite ? 1 of you might die before the raven pops, the sky is falling. Please cry into your hanky some more. these changes don't make nano-gangs useless, just riskier. Try it on Sisi. -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.02 23:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Grath Telkin Edited by: Grath Telkin on 02/08/2008 16:29:57 Your ****ed if you think that is all that there is to flying a nano boat. Apart from the approaching while keeping your transversal high and not running out of cap or into web range (cause you need an IQ of 250 to do that I suppose)? What else is there? Originally by:** Grath Telkin Also, c/d that 1 v 1 combat is really easy to get in EVE? Now you're smoking something as well. I've been in a whole 2 1v1s when pvp'ing (I lost one, won the other). Everything else ended up with a lot of people crashing and helping the other guy turn a loss into a win. Good luck if you think 1v1 is still viable (there very are few that will honour that) Originally by: Grath Telkin Yes, cause snipers always operate solo, and I'm not sure what YOU have been testing, but an inty will NEVER make it to a sniper as it sits on test right now. Fail point is Fail. Snipers used to operate solo fine before warp to 0. I has killmails somewhere. Originally by: Grath Telkin I'm assuming you are talking about your self here... its that the best comeback you could think of to cover your dire tangent of a troll you made about all ships being perfect? Grow up. Originally by: Grath Telkin Do you even PVP? This is like the most common form of damage mitigation in EVE by far...or hadn't you noticed. pvp, of course. Good fun! And fighting someone at an npc station is such a winning tactic? Its as sure to succeed as forgetting to bring ammo for a reload. Thats a game mechanic. Perhaps it needs nerfing even more as well? Originally by: Grath Telkin In case you hadn't noticed, one of the primary complaints about Nano's isn't really their speed, its their ability to DISENGAGE FROM COMBAT AT WILL, which is also possible by Pos hugging, station games, dropping aggro and jumping back through a gate. you are confused. the issue is that it breaks the game engine and missiles / drones have not been boosted accordingly. Originally by: Grath Telkin So, its basically DIRECTLY related to one of the most common complaints about nano ships. If your going to argue the topic, at least try to stay up to speed on the argument. I am, you're talking about people whining, not what is on Sisi Originally by: Grath Telkin You don't read or get out much do you? There have literally been TONS of counters listed in the hundreds of pages of threads listed about this. I work from home and play eve all day. I also nano ;0 Originally by: Grath Telkin Why are you even posting, every point you tried to make was total bullshit. the bullshit is whats in your head and inflating your ego to talk this way. What I'm talking about is whats going to happen and why. Originally by: Grath Telkin I'm now assuming that most of your PVP comes from the test server. fail Originally by: Grath Telkin Instead of learning group tactics to take them down that works, you come to the forums, and present these ridiculous arguments that have little if any basis in fact. Drones do lag the grid, but tbh, there were A LOT of other things that needed attention to put the fun back in EVE again. lag needs to go away so 500 v 500 fights are lag free! Originally by: Grath Telkin Cloaks on ratters, and local being foremost among them. agreed, but its not lag Originally by: Grath Telkin Go on a roam, travel through 0.0 right now, you'll see a decent amount of people, only, the second you jump in, they've already warped and cloaked, and are basically immune to ANYTHING you can do to them...and thats fun...oh wait... and bacon was probably my fault as well? Originally by: Grath Telkin EDIT: also, in one post your pretty much saying screw you galent pilots, I'm sure your their new national hero. Its more, CCP made a big "OH CRUD!" Too hard to fix now I guess.
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.03 00:36:00 - [8] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean I'm lame, will you be my friend? Originally by: Spurty IM AN IDIOT True but thats no excuse, i suggest you learn wtf your talking about before posting again. 1 v 1 pvp is not the same as a crow vs a bestower. I know what I'm talking about, over to you for clue? -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.03 14:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Xorth Adimus If these changes come about as they stand now it will unbalance the game. A potental fix to prevent the insta death of smaller ships by T2 drones and missiles would be to fix defender missiles to at least be semi capable of actually defending against missiles, additionally they also need to target drones and (eventually) kill them. The insta-death is not proven fact. Get onto sisi and try to 'insta-death' me in a small ship. I'll give you 10 tries. ;-0 -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.03 17:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Grath Telkin Originally by: Spurty I would take this challenge, and bbq you every time. How do i know? cause i tried, for 3 days, to reach snipers in any number of situations. You know how it ended up? I got fried, every friggin time. ACCEPTED! -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"

Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.03 17:38:00 - [11] Originally by: Andreya try it in an interdictor you only last as long as your buffer does, as you take full damage from everything on your way to target unnerf our interdictors.. and dont do this speed nerf hmm interdictors, they have it pretty bad since they were designed on destroyer hulls. Seems we need a cruiser sized one with a tank so it can get to where it needs to be and not die so fast ... oh wait a minute! There is certainly a 'horses for courses' factor in eve with this speed balance. Pick the correct horse! No "one size fits all", that was always pretty bogus anyways. Interdictors best used on gates where they are already in place. This "I want everyone to hold fire until it suites me" deception is not really fooling anyone. -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.03 17:53:00 - [12] The value of snakes being much more than the value of its 'peer' tank implants will also 'balance' when speed tank offers the same advantages as its 'equivalent' implants. 6 months after the patch, anyone expecting to have to pay billions for snakes still? Aren't there enough signs out there that something is extraordinarily 'in demand' ? If that demand was for Halo implants as they gave your cruiser a sig smaller than a missile, you imagine CCP should cave into the Halo implant users as these guys would have to fight on a level playing field again? -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.03 17:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Andreya you know after reading all the the pages in this thread over the last few days. i have found your posts the most irritating. i can see why everyone is so hostile towards you edit, sorry maybe instigating is a more correct word? Would that be because I'm right or because I've adapted via play testing on sisi (which everyone here is invited to do)? Nano doesn't die in this change, its alive and well, just 'evolved'. -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ***!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:07:00 - [14] Edited by: Spurty on 03/08/2008 18:06:56 liar and sorry I missed your convo on sisi, son is unwell. -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.03 18:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Myra2007 Yes it does. It shuts the mwd down instantaneously. Test it again you will see. yupe, get within 9km of a boat sporting a two point scram and your mwd is offline! -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.04 01:11:00 - [16] Originally by: Cpt Branko made lots of very good points Thanks for your input and shutdown on the childish logic being thrown about on here Cpt Branko. Its CCP's baby. What they want is what will happen. I support the creation of an environment were the ship you fly mandates the role you play rather than the speed at which you can attain. I also wish I didn't have all these skill points in projectiles only to find out they are pretty awful lol. I'll just re-skill according to the game, when I know exactly what that is going to be. -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.04 17:22:00 - [17] Originally by: Packe Is this the first module that can deactivate an opposing ships module? They might have to make the deactivation last longer than the cycle time of the module without changing a lot of additional code. ECM effectively deactivates webs, target painters, scramblers (anything targeted) and guns. deactivation is nothing special and to get that close (arazu not quite so close) to do it you are making a big risk, should be some form of reward. I'm not a big fan of the mwd delay. You can't turn it on while 2 pointed, so it doesn't come into play that fact. Its a bit 'awkward' sneaking up on someone with an AB inty, but I did it (thanks Ash for the test, your zealot made the job freaking hairy ). -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:13:00 - [18] Edited by: Spurty on 05/08/2008 19:13:48 Today on Sisi, my test, sabre pilot, travel to sniper fleet and drop bubble. Result = failure. Can't get close at all by MWD'ing there especially if there is a raven tossing cruise missiles at you. I turned off the MWD long before they hit (I was scrambled so had to take a ton of them till I fought a crusader away and the scram lifted. Got out in structure ;0 Whats the point of this post? To tell you, don't bother using dictors to get to sniper spots unless you have a 'warp to' as you wont make it even 1/10th of the distance ;-0 I like it, favors the attacker in the sniper fleet (they need some love, they are bringing the party after all, without them there is no pew pew anyway). Defenders have a whole shebang of favor at the mo. Its one new weapon in the aggressors arsenal. Dictors still awesome for dropping bubbles and running to safety though, so little change in their role there. side effect, possible that you'll get lots of bookmarks made and copied about fleets again. -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.05 22:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Kerfira If you fit the MWD instead of an AB, you can still burn out of bubbles. Thus all in all, MWD's are still the best choice for larger ships IMHO. Yupe, however "staying too long and fighting" with an MWD on is going to get you killed. MWD is now to get to and away from trouble. Can't keep it on and fight at the same time as guns will hurt oh so much more than before. -- Two prostitutes standing on a street corner. One says to the other, "Have you ever been picked up by the fuzz?" The other replies, "No, but I've been swung around by the ****!"
Spurty Caldari Trader's Academy Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.08.12 14:01:00 - [20] developers, please read: Vaga needs its mass cut in half (something drastic like this anyway) and all interceptors need a bonus to lower the sig penalty of an MWD. Interceptors no longer hair raisingly hard to fly and vaga still neck and shoulders faster than any other cruiser, as it was 'designed' to be. The rest of the changes are still a bit harsh, but sure make some of the ship types that were completely pointless, a little more 'likely' to make it out in a gang and be useful Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."

Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.15 05:16:00 - [21] Edited by: Spurty on 15/08/2008 05:24:51 whats the current status on speed? Are CCP going to experiment with the flip side to the speed issues? i.e. Don't touch speed of ships and mods at all but fix what these speeds broke? - webs that instantly affect ship speed (lollerskates @ inertia and gradual affect nonsense) - precision missiles and light drones that go a lot faster than the fastest nano ships so they actually work or is the plan still to make all ships move at a normalized (mostly slower) speed still? I'm at that point where I can't really max speed out any more save for spending isk (nav skills are maxed). Do I spend time on skills to help me make isk or do I get my missile and drone skills up? Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.15 22:07:00 - [22] If they were not fielding 'precision' missiles and warrior 2 drones, they didn't have any 'nano' weapons to combat you anyways ;) If they were, then still no chance of hitting you lol good thing you can slap heavy missiles on vagas, they do some dps pounding away at a target that can't fight back ;0 As for 'no caldari doesn't need to be a pvp race', wow get your EGO to the doctors. Its about to explode. Faction Warfare, for all races except Caldari .. GG I'd sooner Faction warfare was all vs all and everyone flashing red to eachother as well. rawr Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:47:00 - [23] Hmm to avoid touching speed ccp just needs to: - make web an instance affect but reduced to 60% - make small 6km, medium 12km, large 24km range webs - keep the concept of warp disruptors knocking MWD off then we don't need to bother with anything else. Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.03 03:53:00 - [24] use the force Luke! EVE has never been as slow as it is now. Everyone that mattered left when the 40km/s Domi's got canceled. People stomping their feet now just look pretty silly. Train something else, you can't have taken more than 2-3 months intensive training for nano to max navigation and minnie cruiser V. Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.05 19:09:00 - [25] Originally by: Isaac benyamin Also nice to see the Caldari finally getting the chance to engage in sniper tactics with missiles again. Anyone dying to missiles that took 3 hours to reach em needs to die and often :-) Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."

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