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Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:19:00 - [1] Obviously theres different situations for things but I'm thinking rokh is looking the best for close and long range with: [Rokh, Passive shields] 3 x Power Diagnostic System II 1 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1 x Damage Control II 4 x Large Shield Extender II 2 x Invulnerability Field II 8 x Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L 3 x Core Defence Field Extender I 5 x Hammerhead II Obviously you can drop the neutron blasters and hammerheads for 425mm rails when needed but the stats for it: 41.8k shield hp (45.9k in gang) lowest res is 66% EM and it has an EHP of 208k (227k in gang). It deals 665 dps with Nul (ok not great) at range 17km + 16km and near 800 with faction antimatter. Interested to see other hp buffer fittings, what you peeps got?
General Paul League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:23:00 - [2] The Amaar ships can do better for sure.
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:25:00 - [3] Originally by: General Paul The Amaar ships can do better for sure. Then show it... Not to mention plates don't passive regen, they have to be repaired...
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:28:00 - [4] Edited by: Riho on 31/07/2008 11:30:51 abaddon 8x megapulse whit faction MF mwd, eccm, point, cap inj 2x plate, ean, dcu, 3x HS 3x trimark close to 1100 dps 136k EHP switch to scorch... can hit at 50km and still do 700+ dps (just guns... no drones) that is whit my amarr alt... my own skills lack in amarr BS :P and id have this BS in my fleet over the OPs rokh ANY DAY. why? more dps better range utility stuff(mwd, point, ECCM etc) can get to gate quicker to jump out if needed whit mwd and luck. ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
General Paul League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:28:00 - [5] Edited by: General Paul on 31/07/2008 11:29:10 I dont fly them but ill try for you. The main thng is slave sets, they give armor tankers a huge advantage.
Hekettwo	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:31:00 - [6] Can get an Abaddon to 60K armor and still do 1K dps with high resistance. A Armageddon with 2 plates and a slave set is good enough to take out multiple BS easily just hope they don't have lots and lots of nuets =]
Anhammerad Jolly Rogerers	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:32:00 - [7] My abaddon puts out over 900dps without drones and has just under 200k effective hitpoints. Add a low grade slave set to that...
General Paul League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:34:00 - [8] Its not that the rokh is bad at what it does, ccp just overpowered the amaar slightly and crystal sets are broken for passive tanking.
Gamesguy Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Wil Smithx Obviously theres different situations for things but I'm thinking rokh is looking the best for close and long range with: [Rokh, Passive shields] 3 x Power Diagnostic System II 1 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1 x Damage Control II 4 x Large Shield Extender II 2 x Invulnerability Field II 8 x Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L 3 x Core Defence Field Extender I 5 x Hammerhead II Obviously you can drop the neutron blasters and hammerheads for 425mm rails when needed but the stats for it: 41.8k shield hp (45.9k in gang) lowest res is 66% EM and it has an EHP of 208k (227k in gang). It deals 665 dps with Nul (ok not great) at range 17km + 16km and near 800 with faction antimatter. Interested to see other hp buffer fittings, what you peeps got? Your optimal is what? 8, 10 km? How are you going to get anywhere with no mwd? Abaddon is the best plated gank bs in smallish medium gang situations. Mega is better when its very small gang. Raven works better than rokh btw.
Torak Dakos Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:36:00 - [10] [Abaddon, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II Large Armor Repairer II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 1000DPS with drones and faction ammo, a little over 800 with scorch and 45km optimal. can repair it self and hace 130k EHP and unlike the rokh it still got a MWD, 20km scrambler and a web. with mean i can get to the target, you cant, i dont need to get to the target becaues i got many times your optimal, and i can prevent them from running aswell
Commander Thrawn the united	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:41:00 - [11] Originally by: General Paul Its not that the rokh is bad at what it does, ccp just overpowered the amaar slightly and crystal sets are broken for passive tanking. lol, go f&*k yourself
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:43:00 - [12] Originally by: General Paul Its not that the rokh is bad at what it does, ccp just overpowered the amaar slightly and crystal sets are broken for passive tanking. yeah.. crystals are broken.... /me looks at a HG crystal set maelstrom... yep.. broken if crystals would be like slaves... then passive shield tanks would be unbreakable soon. ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Torak Dakos [Abaddon, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Damage Control II Large Armor Repairer II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Mega Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 1000DPS with drones and faction ammo, a little over 800 with scorch and 45km optimal. can repair it self and hace 130k EHP and unlike the rokh it still got a MWD, 20km scrambler and a web. with mean i can get to the target, you cant, i dont need to get to the target becaues i got many times your optimal, and i can prevent them from running aswell dunno about you.. but my alt has all the cap related skills 5, controlled burst 5 and so on. and i cant see where do you get the cap to rep when your shooting :P i kinda have to use the inj to keep shooting :P ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Torak Dakos Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:47:00 - [14] Edited by: Torak Dakos on 31/07/2008 11:50:55 Originally by: Riho dunno about you.. but my alt has all the cap related skills 5, controlled burst 5 and so on. and i cant see where do you get the cap to rep when your shooting :P i kinda have to use the inj to keep shooting :P yeah thats true, i got perfect cap skills and controlled burst 5 and i can only shoot for about 4min if the rep is running, but really that has never been a real problem. the armor repair will repair 12k armor before running out of cap, that like 3 plates, so i prefer it over another plate and i can repair after a fight.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Wil Smithx Obviously theres different situations for things but I'm thinking rokh is looking the best for close and long range with: [Rokh, Passive shields] 3 x Power Diagnostic System II 1 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1 x Damage Control II 4 x Large Shield Extender II 2 x Invulnerability Field II 8 x Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L 3 x Core Defence Field Extender I 5 x Hammerhead II Obviously you can drop the neutron blasters and hammerheads for 425mm rails when needed but the stats for it: 41.8k shield hp (45.9k in gang) lowest res is 66% EM and it has an EHP of 208k (227k in gang). It deals 665 dps with Nul (ok not great) at range 17km + 16km and near 800 with faction antimatter. Interested to see other hp buffer fittings, what you peeps got? Abaddon. Plates, MP II, Slaves. All done. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
General Paul League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees	Posted - 2008.07.31 11:55:00 - [16] Originally by: Commander Thrawn Originally by: General Paul Its not that the rokh is bad at what it does, ccp just overpowered the amaar slightly and crystal sets are broken for passive tanking. lol, go f&*k yourself You got a point ? I have a HG crystal set, i used it once to loose a Nighthawk to a gank mega, quick repping will not beat a passive tank 9/10 times. Also go get run over (=
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:04:00 - [17] Originally by: General Paul Originally by: Commander Thrawn Originally by: General Paul Its not that the rokh is bad at what it does, ccp just overpowered the amaar slightly and crystal sets are broken for passive tanking. lol, go f&*k yourself You got a point ? I have a HG crystal set, i used it once to loose a Nighthawk to a gank mega, quick repping will not beat a passive tank 9/10 times. Also go get run over (= Active tanks still beat passive ones , but ONLY when you can find yet another extra damage mitigation form. That may be force enemy deep into falloff, force enemy to outshoot you, ECM drones, killing enemy drones etc.. Because with some extra damage reduction you can then reach the status where the active tank can perma tank the remaining damage. But this is becoming even harder with the upcomming changes. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:05:00 - [18] Originally by: General Paul Originally by: Commander Thrawn Originally by: General Paul Its not that the rokh is bad at what it does, ccp just overpowered the amaar slightly and crystal sets are broken for passive tanking. lol, go f&k yourself You got a point ? I have a HG crystal set, i used it once to loose a Nighthawk to a gank mega, quick repping will not beat a passive tank 9/10 times. Also go get run over (= Sure it will. You went up against a BS in a friggin BC. You're DOING IT WRONG. Torp Raven + Crystals = dead Gank Mega. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.*
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Wil Smithx Obviously theres different situations for things but I'm thinking rokh is looking the best for close and long range with: [Rokh, Passive shields] 3 x Power Diagnostic System II 1 x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1 x Damage Control II 4 x Large Shield Extender II 2 x Invulnerability Field II 8 x Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L 3 x Core Defence Field Extender I 5 x Hammerhead II Obviously you can drop the neutron blasters and hammerheads for 425mm rails when needed but the stats for it: 41.8k shield hp (45.9k in gang) lowest res is 66% EM and it has an EHP of 208k (227k in gang). It deals 665 dps with Nul (ok not great) at range 17km + 16km and near 800 with faction antimatter. Interested to see other hp buffer fittings, what you peeps got? Your optimal is what? 8, 10 km? How are you going to get anywhere with no mwd? Abaddon is the best plated gank bs in smallish medium gang situations. Mega is better when its very small gang. Raven works better than rokh btw. Read the post, thats got a 17km range with 16km falloff, I'm tempted to use an abaddon now though. Already have amarr BS 5 on this char and my main is training armoured warfare spec atm so only need T2 large guns, for which I have most of the side skills to level 5. Also I don't think I would risk slaves lol, maybe if I did sansha missions... but otherwise... Expencive lol Oh and I looked at the raven, not as much EHP due to lack of res bonus but running 2 heavy neuts at the same time = win lol
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:22:00 - [20] Dood, you already have Amarr BS5? Do the Abaddon. Seriously. There is no other option close to it for what you want to do. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Jarvin Kell Task Force Zener	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:26:00 - [21] IMO you are better off fitting the Rokh differently if you go that route. 8x neutrons with antimatter + null X-large booster, SBA, 2x invulns, EM resist, heavy cap booster II 1x PDS, 1x DCU, 3x mag stabs 3x extender rigs This has 120k effective hp, tanks 900/sec, and can do 840 DPS at 17km with 16km falloff. Not 100% passive but the combo of effective HP + active tank is pretty impressive in practice.
Zephyr Rengate dearg doom	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:27:00 - [22] A gank bs with 1 MFS?
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:27:00 - [23] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Dood, you already have Amarr BS5? Do the Abaddon. Seriously. There is no other option close to it for what you want to do. My main has Caldari and Gallente BS 5 Speced for blaster/torp, so I was looking for him really, but since Abaddon is so sick and wrong anyways :) Will just be a few weeks before I can use it.
Mu Yaling Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:28:00 - [24] TORP RAVEN 6x Siege launcher 2's with Rage torps 2x Heavy Neuts (1 t2, 1 t1) 4x shield extender 2's 2x invuln 2's 3x BCU 2 1 DC2 1 "utility" (i personally put an extra BCU in for that tiny bit more damage that just looks sick when people get hit) perhaps a pdu if you want that extra 5% shield 3x field extender 1's 38k Hp in gang 130ish EHP (i forget the exact number, eft whoring is bad anyway) 1200!!! DPS, if you really want to ***, get some decent hybrid skills and stick 2 rails on for MOAR damage, with 2 neutrons on 1350 is possible. perhaps more (again, i dont eft *** this is from actual engagements) imho Raven is the New Black
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Mu Yaling TORP RAVEN 6x Siege launcher 2's with Rage torps 2x Heavy Neuts (1 t2, 1 t1) 4x shield extender 2's 2x invuln 2's 3x BCU 2 1 DC2 1 "utility" (i personally put an extra BCU in for that tiny bit more damage that just looks sick when people get hit) perhaps a pdu if you want that extra 5% shield 3x field extender 1's 38k Hp in gang 130ish EHP (i forget the exact number, eft whoring is bad anyway) 1200!!! DPS, if you really want to ***, get some decent hybrid skills and stick 2 rails on for MOAR damage, with 2 neutrons on 1350 is possible. perhaps more (again, i dont eft *** this is from actual engagements) imho Raven is the New Black That doesn't fit for powergrid (by a long long way) or cpu...
Mu Yaling Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:36:00 - [26] umm, yes it does, just fine, get AWU5 please.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Mu Yaling TORP RAVEN 6x Siege launcher 2's with Rage torps 2x Heavy Neuts (1 t2, 1 t1) 4x shield extender 2's 2x invuln 2's 3x BCU 2 1 DC2 1 "utility" (i personally put an extra BCU in for that tiny bit more damage that just looks sick when people get hit) perhaps a pdu if you want that extra 5% shield 3x field extender 1's 38k Hp in gang 130ish EHP (i forget the exact number, eft whoring is bad anyway) 1200!!! DPS, if you really want to ***, get some decent hybrid skills and stick 2 rails on for MOAR damage, with 2 neutrons on 1350 is possible. perhaps more (again, i dont eft *** this is from actual engagements) imho Raven is the New Black That... is a sick setup. Caldari are soooo OP lol. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Wil Smithx	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:39:00 - [28] Edited by: Wil Smithx on 31/07/2008 12:45:44 Edited by: Wil Smithx on 31/07/2008 12:41:12 Originally by: Mu Yaling Edited by: Mu Yaling on 31/07/2008 12:38:38 umm, yes it does, just fine, get AWU5 please. edit, sorry, forgot i often use an RC if i want the neuts.. that was meant to be in the utility slot section ) Still doesn't fit by my EFT... Edit: need to drop a BCU for a PDU
Mu Yaling Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.31 12:40:00 - [29] Originally by: Bellum Eternus Originally by: Mu Yaling TORP RAVEN 6x Siege launcher 2's with Rage torps 2x Heavy Neuts (1 t2, 1 t1) 4x shield extender 2's 2x invuln 2's 3x BCU 2 1 DC2 1 "utility" (i personally put an extra BCU in for that tiny bit more damage that just looks sick when people get hit) perhaps a pdu if you want that extra 5% shield 3x field extender 1's 38k Hp in gang 130ish EHP (i forget the exact number, eft whoring is bad anyway) 1200!!! DPS, if you really want to ***, get some decent hybrid skills and stick 2 rails on for MOAR damage, with 2 neutrons on 1350 is possible. perhaps more (again, i dont eft *** this is from actual engagements) imho Raven is the New Black That... is a sick setup. Caldari are soooo OP lol. just going to upload an imageshack of it for any interested parties
Mu Yaling Caldari	Posted - 2008.07.31 13:07:00 - [30] yeah.. thermodyanamics 4 here.. one of those.. "ill "5" it one day.." skills and yes, when overheated.. it gets a bit silly how much damage you can take

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