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InnerDrive Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:17:00 - [1] Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:35:14 Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:35:01 I think this nano nerf patch is really sad , so much training i did gone to waste.. Going to have to change training to drones and missiles only now i think after doing some testing on sisi, i found that basicly all closerange ships that use a mwd suck since they can be shut off. I dont currently use many ships that dont use a mwd in pvp, in fact none. Whats the best ship that does not need a mwd to kickass? Im talking like you can only fly one ship (non-capital), you have all skills at lvl 5 for all ships in the game. What ship will be overal the best ship to fly? I was thinking a NightHawk. They dont use MWDs as far i know, they can tank like crazy and do a decent amount of damage against everything. Ships so far: none valid
d3vo The Space BorderLine United For 0rder	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:22:00 - [2] See this is the problem. People want the BEST ship. There is NO best ship and there shouldn't be any BEST ship. Everything is good at one thing or the other, not at everything. There shouldn't be an overall best ship to fly...please. This is why there are nerfs because people cannot adapt. __________ \(^.^)/
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:29:00 - [3] The naglfar, it's vertical.
InnerDrive Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:30:00 - [4] Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:30:28 Originally by: d3vo See this is the problem. People want the BEST ship. There is NO best ship and there shouldn't be any BEST ship. Everything is good at one thing or the other, not at everything. There shouldn't be an overall best ship to fly...please. This is why there are nerfs because people cannot adapt. Ships have different roles yes, but there is allways a ship your better to be flying in than another. Its for example better to fly a interdictor than a T1 Frigate, but when your roaming around its not better to fly a battleship without speedmods. I shoud ask, Whats the best (non capital) roaming ship post patch if you can fly all currently in the game?
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:31:00 - [5] Originally by: AstroPhobic The naglfar, it's vertical. You need to be careful with that. He make take you seriously and think its good or something
Donde Esta	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:32:00 - [6] By training for the best, you are setting yourself up for a nerf, and more tears.
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:34:00 - [7] The Armageddon never stopped being completely awesome. Even when it was directly nerfed. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
InnerDrive Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Donde Esta By training for the best, you are setting yourself up for a nerf, and more tears. I been nerfed manny times before (allthough never this badly), im used to that (tyvm ccp).
Transmaniacon Minmatar Strike-Force-Alpha	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:35:00 - [9] Raven is the new vagabond, sshhh dont tell anyone...
d3vo The Space BorderLine United For 0rder	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:36:00 - [10] Hell, if everyone was patient enough, there would be no "this or that" becuse you have the opportunity to fly everything. To the OP, anything Minmatar just because they are based on speed. However this nanonerf will make Minmatar ships absolute garbage. When you have nanocruisers not going over 3km/s, it will be hard to roam when everyone and everything CAN and WILL hit you. __________ \(^.^)/
Dr Sheepbringer	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:39:00 - [11] Best ship is the one to which you have the best skill to use effectively. Then you choose targets accordingly. That's the BEST ship.
Anubis Hatak OUTLAWZ IMMORTAL	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:39:00 - [12] Originally by: InnerDrive i found that basicly all closerange ships that use a mwd suck since they can be shut off. Do you honestly think every single person you will encounter on TQ will have a scrambler fitted? On SiSi people have them fitted because they are testing them - they will be no where near as practical on TQ. 90% web = Scram + 60% web more or less, wheres the problem?
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Trojanman190 Originally by: AstroPhobic The naglfar, it's vertical. You need to be careful with that. He make take you seriously and think its good or something He's not fighting for me, why should I care?
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:41:00 - [14] Originally by: AstroPhobic The naglfar, it's vertical. /thread CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:42:00 - [15] Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Best ship is the one to which you have the best skill to use effectively. Then you choose targets accordingly. That's the BEST ship. best ship is the one you have fun in tbh god, who cares how many you kill, or how often you die? It's a game... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:48:00 - [16] Originally by: d3vo See this is the problem. People want the BEST ship. There is NO best ship and there shouldn't be any BEST ship. Everything is good at one thing or the other, not at everything. There shouldn't be an overall best ship to fly...please. This is why there are nerfs because people cannot adapt. Thread should have stopped after this post :P ----- http://evenewb.blogspot.com/
Tuko kun Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:52:00 - [17] see, here is the problem, you want the best ship for roaming pvp. i can list a few and will give you reasons why they are best. after reading this you will (hopfully) realise how dumb your question is 1. Arazu: they do the thing that started your whine 2. any intrdictor: in 0.0 all they need to do is drop a bubble n leave 3. rr domi: awsome tank, capless damage (drones) 4. falcon: ECM, nuff said 5. ares: great belt tackler that can stay outta 2ptmwdkilling scram range now i fly all these ships other than the falcon, but i know how good ecm is, and i dont really think i will be changing any of my setups. bs will still have an mwd fit so it can burn outta bubbles that have no hostiles. if caught alone in a bubble camp it wuldnt have any chance 2 survive anyway. interdictors are still gonna be used 2 bubble up and die, getting out is an option. and ceptors will also keep using mwd. other ships can till use mwd and do alright, sure the vaga n stuff wont go as fast, but they will still move faster than other hacs. and yes, SHORT ranged 2pt scrams will shut your mwd down, but if you are withing that range in a vaga you aint doing it right, or so im told. this nano nerf has been a long time comming and im looking forward to it. I have heard lots of people complaining that it takes the last paystyle that involves skill out the game. all it does it give you an oppertunity to prove just how good your skill at playing really is
Darahk J'olonar Gallente Trans Eve Organization	Posted - 2008.07.31 18:55:00 - [18] Hmmmm lets see.. All ships are still worth flying except for the Black Ops BS. They haven't been worth a damned since the day they were introduced. You can still use the MWD+Nano and OD but the only difference now is that they are no longer a crutch.
KarGard Agent-Orange	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:10:00 - [19] MWDs are still completely viable. People are just overreacting about the scram change. There is absolutely no difference between getting plastered webs now, than getting plastered with a scram tomorrow, except, webs have a much better range.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:11:00 - [20] Originally by: InnerDrive so much training i did gone to waste.. Hahaha, this really cracks me up. Really. I lol'ed irl. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Noisrevbus Caldari Breams Gone Wild	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:13:00 - [21] I'm with Lyria on this one (a rarity?). I definately cracks me up how things go from "MWDs is a necessity on all ships" to "MWDs are crap" and "Webs are a necessity for all ships" to "Webs are crap and won't be used". Forums, and people with binary minds =/.
MenanceWhite Amarr Red Light Navy	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:37:00 - [22] Triple stabbed smartbomb carriers. Seriously they are the sexT. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Artemis Rose Odd End of the Universe	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:40:00 - [23] I don't know, anything with guns and tackle is still going to be PvP viable. Isn't that a shocker? And for the OP, if you don't use any ships with an MWD already, why the bloody hell are you asking about ships that won't need a MWD to kick "azz" __________________________________________________ Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine. WTB Purple Nerf Bat.
Windorian	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:44:00 - [24] Seriously, kids like you need to get off the forums if you can't post something useful. 1. What you've read is not Patch notes, it's a Dev Blog. It can, and in all probability, will change before it goes live. They've only just begun testing the changes and will adjust them where needed. 2. MWD's will NOT be useless. Even if you cut them all down to 500% speed bonus, add stackign penalties to the related modules, skills, rigs, and implants, and. Add in the scrambler ability to deactivate a MWD at end of cycle, they still have Great usefulness. I can't see how anyone could say a single module giving you a 500% speed bonus is useless, even with penalties. 3. Skills that were trained for nano ships still have their purposes. Navigation 5 means every ship you fly is faster, even without an AB/MWD. All the secondary skills to MWD also affect AB's, like feul conservation and such, meaning you don't have to use them only for MWD. Hull upgrades (needed for nanofibers) means cargo expanders, inertia stabilizers, and a plethora of other useful modules. I have been playing this game over 2 years, and have seen many ship come out, and many changes made. I cried when Nos was nerfed, but i adjusted. The HP buff meant that gank fits had a much harder time killing, but i adjusted. Just because someone is taking away your "I win because you can't do anything to hit me and i can run away if i need to" ship, doesn't mean it won't still be a useful ship. Warp scramblers ( or disruptors, can't remember which they were thinking of changing) have a VERY small range, less than that of a webifier. If you were already using your nano ship outside web range, the deactivation of MWD won't really effect you. A cut in speed modifier bonus will seriously alter the values of the faction/deadspace modules, but it will not make any of them useless. Large turrets still won't be able to hit you, and if they do, it will be at a considerable damage penalty.
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:46:00 - [25] I dunno OP - why dont you fly a few different ships, experiment with some set ups and find out yourself??!?! Seriously - start using your brain rather than run to the forums to find out what the FOTM is. Maybe that way we'd start getting a bit more variety out there. C. Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
atomic killer	Posted - 2008.07.31 19:50:00 - [26] raven is a good ship. and it should be nerfed just because it is good. also nerf drakes.
Shurq Ellale	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:19:00 - [27] Edited by: Shurq Ellale on 31/07/2008 20:19:55 Originally by: InnerDrive Whats the best (non capital) roaming ship post patch if you can fly all currently in the game? There is no proper answer to this, because you are going to need a team to roam. You are going to need 1) tackle, 2) dps, and 3) some sort of damage mitigation (ECM or logistics) and no ship can do all three at this point. Vagabond is pretty nice, as even after the patch, it can still tackle and deliver some solid dps. Pair it with a falcon or scimitar, and you're golden. Scimitar can tackle itself it the vagabond has to warp out (e.g., if neuted). Or, an inty, long range dps (cerb, zealot, that sort of thing), and a falcon. Actually, just fly a falcon with friends.
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:36:00 - [28] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Trojanman190 Originally by: AstroPhobic The naglfar, it's vertical. You need to be careful with that. He make take you seriously and think its good or something He's not fighting for me, why should I care? Ah I see your strategy you fiend you...
Lt Angus Caldari Lt Angus Corp	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:37:00 - [29] Edited by: Lt Angus on 31/07/2008 20:37:44 domi, raven, drake Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Car Wars Shinra	Posted - 2008.07.31 20:45:00 - [30] Originally by: AstroPhobic The naglfar, it's vertical. I think the orgininal qoute was(in response to what dread to train for): The naglfar, it's freaking vertical ;-) epic

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