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InnerDrive
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:35:14
Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:35:01
I think this nano nerf patch is really sad , so much training i did gone to waste.. Going to have to change training to drones and missiles only now i think after doing some testing on sisi, i found that basicly all closerange ships that use a mwd suck since they can be shut off.
I dont currently use many ships that dont use a mwd in pvp, in fact none.
Whats the best ship that does not need a mwd to kickass? Im talking like you can only fly one ship (non-capital), you have all skills at lvl 5 for all ships in the game. What ship will be overal the best ship to fly?
I was thinking a NightHawk. They dont use MWDs as far i know, they can tank like crazy and do a decent amount of damage against everything.
Ships so far:
none valid
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d3vo
The Space BorderLine
United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:22:00 -
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See this is the problem. People want the BEST ship. There is NO best ship and there shouldn't be any BEST ship. Everything is good at one thing or the other, not at everything. There shouldn't be an overall best ship to fly...please. This is why there are nerfs because people cannot adapt.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:29:00 -
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The naglfar, it's vertical.
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InnerDrive
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:30:28
 Originally by: d3vo
See this is the problem. People want the BEST ship. There is NO best ship and there shouldn't be any BEST ship. Everything is good at one thing or the other, not at everything. There shouldn't be an overall best ship to fly...please. This is why there are nerfs because people cannot adapt.
Ships have different roles yes, but there is allways a ship your better to be flying in than another. Its for example better to fly a interdictor than a T1 Frigate, but when your roaming around its not better to fly a battleship without speedmods.
I shoud ask, Whats the best (non capital) roaming ship post patch if you can fly all currently in the game?
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Trojanman190
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
The naglfar, it's vertical.
You need to be careful with that.
He make take you seriously and think its good or something 
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Donde Esta
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:32:00 -
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By training for the best, you are setting yourself up for a nerf, and more tears.
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:34:00 -
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The Armageddon never stopped being completely awesome. Even when it was directly nerfed.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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InnerDrive
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Donde Esta
By training for the best, you are setting yourself up for a nerf, and more tears.
I been nerfed manny times before (allthough never this badly), im used to that (tyvm ccp).
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Transmaniacon
Minmatar
Strike-Force-Alpha
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:35:00 -
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Raven is the new vagabond, sshhh dont tell anyone...
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d3vo
The Space BorderLine
United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:36:00 -
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Hell, if everyone was patient enough, there would be no "this or that" becuse you have the opportunity to fly everything.
To the OP, anything Minmatar just because they are based on speed. However this nanonerf will make Minmatar ships absolute garbage. When you have nanocruisers not going over 3km/s, it will be hard to roam when everyone and everything CAN and WILL hit you.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:39:00 -
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Best ship is the one to which you have the best skill to use effectively. Then you choose targets accordingly. That's the BEST ship.
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Anubis Hatak
OUTLAWZ IMMORTAL
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: InnerDrive
i found that basicly all closerange ships that use a mwd suck since they can be shut off.
Do you honestly think every single person you will encounter on TQ will have a scrambler fitted? On SiSi people have them fitted because they are testing them - they will be no where near as practical on TQ.
90% web = Scram + 60% web more or less, wheres the problem?
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Trojanman190
Originally by: AstroPhobic
The naglfar, it's vertical.
You need to be careful with that.
He make take you seriously and think its good or something
He's not fighting for me, why should I care? 
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:41:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
The naglfar, it's vertical.
/thread
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
Best ship is the one to which you have the best skill to use effectively. Then you choose targets accordingly. That's the BEST ship.
best ship is the one you have fun in tbh
god, who cares how many you kill, or how often you die? It's a game...
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: d3vo
See this is the problem. People want the BEST ship. There is NO best ship and there shouldn't be any BEST ship. Everything is good at one thing or the other, not at everything. There shouldn't be an overall best ship to fly...please. This is why there are nerfs because people cannot adapt.
Thread should have stopped after this post :P
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Tuko kun
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:52:00 -
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see, here is the problem, you want the best ship for roaming pvp. i can list a few and will give you reasons why they are best. after reading this you will (hopfully) realise how dumb your question is
1. Arazu: they do the thing that started your whine
2. any intrdictor: in 0.0 all they need to do is drop a bubble n leave
3. rr domi: awsome tank, capless damage (drones)
4. falcon: ECM, nuff said
5. ares: great belt tackler that can stay outta 2ptmwdkilling scram range
now i fly all these ships other than the falcon, but i know how good ecm is, and i dont really think i will be changing any of my setups. bs will still have an mwd fit so it can burn outta bubbles that have no hostiles. if caught alone in a bubble camp it wuldnt have any chance 2 survive anyway. interdictors are still gonna be used 2 bubble up and die, getting out is an option. and ceptors will also keep using mwd. other ships can till use mwd and do alright, sure the vaga n stuff wont go as fast, but they will still move faster than other hacs. and yes, SHORT ranged 2pt scrams will shut your mwd down, but if you are withing that range in a vaga you aint doing it right, or so im told.
this nano nerf has been a long time comming and im looking forward to it. I have heard lots of people complaining that it takes the last paystyle that involves skill out the game. all it does it give you an oppertunity to prove just how good your skill at playing really is
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Darahk J'olonar
Gallente
Trans Eve Organization
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Posted - 2008.07.31 18:55:00 -
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Hmmmm lets see..
All ships are still worth flying except for the Black Ops BS. They haven't been worth a damned since the day they were introduced.  You can still use the MWD+Nano and OD but the only difference now is that they are no longer a crutch.
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KarGard
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:10:00 -
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MWDs are still completely viable. People are just overreacting about the scram change. There is absolutely no difference between getting plastered webs now, than getting plastered with a scram tomorrow, except, webs have a much better range.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: InnerDrive
so much training i did gone to waste..
Hahaha, this really cracks me up. Really. I lol'ed irl.
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Noisrevbus
Caldari
Breams Gone Wild
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:13:00 -
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I'm with Lyria on this one (a rarity?).
I definately cracks me up how things go from "MWDs is a necessity on all ships" to "MWDs are crap" and "Webs are a necessity for all ships" to "Webs are crap and won't be used".
Forums, and people with binary minds =/.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:37:00 -
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Triple stabbed smartbomb carriers. Seriously they are the sexT.
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There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
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Artemis Rose
Odd End of the Universe
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:40:00 -
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I don't know, anything with guns and tackle is still going to be PvP viable. Isn't that a shocker?
And for the OP, if you don't use any ships with an MWD already, why the bloody hell are you asking about ships that won't need a MWD to kick "azz"
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Windorian
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:44:00 -
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Seriously, kids like you need to get off the forums if you can't post something useful.
1. What you've read is not Patch notes, it's a Dev Blog. It can, and in all probability, will change before it goes live. They've only just begun testing the changes and will adjust them where needed.
2. MWD's will NOT be useless. Even if you cut them all down to 500% speed bonus, add stackign penalties to the related modules, skills, rigs, and implants, and. Add in the scrambler ability to deactivate a MWD at end of cycle, they still have Great usefulness. I can't see how anyone could say a single module giving you a 500% speed bonus is useless, even with penalties.
3. Skills that were trained for nano ships still have their purposes. Navigation 5 means every ship you fly is faster, even without an AB/MWD. All the secondary skills to MWD also affect AB's, like feul conservation and such, meaning you don't have to use them only for MWD. Hull upgrades (needed for nanofibers) means cargo expanders, inertia stabilizers, and a plethora of other useful modules.
I have been playing this game over 2 years, and have seen many ship come out, and many changes made. I cried when Nos was nerfed, but i adjusted. The HP buff meant that gank fits had a much harder time killing, but i adjusted. Just because someone is taking away your "I win because you can't do anything to hit me and i can run away if i need to" ship, doesn't mean it won't still be a useful ship.
Warp scramblers ( or disruptors, can't remember which they were thinking of changing) have a VERY small range, less than that of a webifier. If you were already using your nano ship outside web range, the deactivation of MWD won't really effect you.
A cut in speed modifier bonus will seriously alter the values of the faction/deadspace modules, but it will not make any of them useless. Large turrets still won't be able to hit you, and if they do, it will be at a considerable damage penalty.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:46:00 -
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I dunno OP - why dont you fly a few different ships, experiment with some set ups and find out yourself??!?!
Seriously - start using your brain rather than run to the forums to find out what the FOTM is. Maybe that way we'd start getting a bit more variety out there. 
C.
Originally by: Tarminic
Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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atomic killer
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Posted - 2008.07.31 19:50:00 -
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raven is a good ship. and it should be nerfed just because it is good. also nerf drakes.
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Shurq Ellale
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Posted - 2008.07.31 20:19:00 -
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Edited by: Shurq Ellale on 31/07/2008 20:19:55
Originally by: InnerDrive
Whats the best (non capital) roaming ship post patch if you can fly all currently in the game?
There is no proper answer to this, because you are going to need a team to roam. You are going to need 1) tackle, 2) dps, and 3) some sort of damage mitigation (ECM or logistics) and no ship can do all three at this point.
Vagabond is pretty nice, as even after the patch, it can still tackle and deliver some solid dps. Pair it with a falcon or scimitar, and you're golden. Scimitar can tackle itself it the vagabond has to warp out (e.g., if neuted).
Or, an inty, long range dps (cerb, zealot, that sort of thing), and a falcon.
Actually, just fly a falcon with friends.
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Trojanman190
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.31 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Trojanman190
Originally by: AstroPhobic
The naglfar, it's vertical.
You need to be careful with that.
He make take you seriously and think its good or something
He's not fighting for me, why should I care?
Ah I see your strategy you fiend you...
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Lt Angus
Caldari
Lt Angus Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.31 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Lt Angus on 31/07/2008 20:37:44
domi, raven, drake 
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Car Wars
Shinra
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Posted - 2008.07.31 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
The naglfar, it's vertical.
I think the orgininal qoute was(in response to what dread to train for):
The naglfar, it's freaking vertical ;-) epic
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.07.31 21:28:00 -
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Quote:
I was thinking a NightHawk. They dont use MWDs as far i know, they can tank like crazy and do a decent amount of damage against everything.
LOL. No.
The Nighthawk doesn't normally fit a MWD because it doesn't have the PG. And it can do one of "decent damage" and "tank" at the same time. It can't do both.
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InnerDrive
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: InnerDrive on 01/08/2008 00:20:09
Originally by: Tuko kun
see, here is the problem, you want the best ship for roaming pvp. i can list a few and will give you reasons why they are best. after reading this you will (hopfully) realise how dumb your question is
1. Arazu: they do the thing that started your whine
2. any intrdictor: in 0.0 all they need to do is drop a bubble n leave
3. rr domi: awsome tank, capless damage (drones)
4. falcon: ECM, nuff said
5. ares: great belt tackler that can stay outta 2ptmwdkilling scram range
now i fly all these ships other than the falcon, but i know how good ecm is, and i dont really think i will be changing any of my setups. bs will still have an mwd fit so it can burn outta bubbles that have no hostiles. if caught alone in a bubble camp it wuldnt have any chance 2 survive anyway. interdictors are still gonna be used 2 bubble up and die, getting out is an option. and ceptors will also keep using mwd. other ships can till use mwd and do alright, sure the vaga n stuff wont go as fast, but they will still move faster than other hacs. and yes, SHORT ranged 2pt scrams will shut your mwd down, but if you are withing that range in a vaga you aint doing it right, or so im told.
this nano nerf has been a long time comming and im looking forward to it. I have heard lots of people complaining that it takes the last paystyle that involves skill out the game. all it does it give you an oppertunity to prove just how good your skill at playing really is
This has been pretty much the only usefull reply so far answering my question..
Skills is no issue, i been playing for over 4 years now , i can fly pretty much anything.
- I woud fly the arazu but its sorda a shame that the damps were nerfed to pretty much useless.
- A regular interdictor still will have the whole "shut down mwd issue", a lott of times i run with my mwd turned on it my dictor and pretty much everyone is out to get me, if i will go even slower after the patch i will die even more.
- RR domi, domis are to slow for fast roaming, they take forever to get to warp, otherwise very nice ships for closerange combat
- Falcon, everyones primary, i might pick up on flying this one regularly.
- Ares.. MWD nerfed. I know you will say that people shoudent get within 9km off you but sometimes it happens in engagements at a gate, after the patch and it happens your dead with the complete shut down from MWD disable+webbing.
So maybe overal the falcon will be the best ship to fly if others in the gang perform the other roles required.
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Betray
Caldari
The Substitutes
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:29:00 -
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Ask me personally I'd still say Drake...
If you look at kb, drake is the #1 solo pvp ship...and it's not because of its speed, but for its better-than-bs tank and not shabby dps. as long as they dont nerf missile/drake, i say it's gonna be awesome now
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Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:30:00 -
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Well no one else is saying it so.
1.Falcon
2.Scorpion
3.Nighthawk
4.Drake
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: InnerDrive
Edited by: InnerDrive on 01/08/2008 00:05:56
Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:35:14
Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:35:01
I think this nano nerf patch is really sad , so much training i did gone to waste.. Going to have to change training to drones and missiles only now i think after doing some testing on sisi, i found that basicly all closerange ships that use a mwd suck since they can be shut off.
I dont currently use many ships, that dont use a mwd in pvp, in fact none.
Whats the best ship that does not need a mwd to kickass? Im talking like you can only fly one ship (non-capital), you have all skills at lvl 5 for all ships in the game. What ship will be overal the best ship to fly?
I was thinking a NightHawk. They dont use MWDs as far i know, they can tank like crazy and do a decent amount of damage against everything.
Ships so far:
none valid
Invalid argument. The idea of a MWD on a ship like say- the thorax, is to CLOSE DISTANCE not to burn like a man on fire, and perma-run it in a fight. Hell if your using your MWD in a fight, you either suck or you have no clue. only ships that should even try are ceptors because they get sig radius bonuses. Fitting an MWD might be useful on all ships even after the patch, the REAL problem are the dork-faces who NANO their ships. Which can get cruisers exceeding 10 kps. Most ships I bet will still fit an AB or a MWD just so they can do things like close massive gaps, and insta-warp while aligned.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:47:00 -
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All my ships will still be fitting MWDs (rupture,hurricane, typhoon/tempest are ALL better off with a MWD), except the Jaguar which will now fit AB (I already fly AB rifters so no change there).
Fitting MWDs still gives you a ton of utility you would not have otherwise.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Trojanman190
Ah I see your strategy you fiend you...
 Minmatar is overpowered and new FOTM!!!
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Mar vel
Caldari
A.I.M.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 01:35:00 -
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I'm fairly certain the Devs didn't envision that Minmitar would become exclusively speed-tanking as it's primary defense mechanism. (gasp!) -You may actually have to deal with getting hit occasionally. So in your Vaga-mobile you're now forced to fit DPS and exchange a Lrg T2 extender for some kind-of shield booster. Welcome to everyone else's pain point. Some (many) would argue that this is precisely the reason there's a nerf up for patch.
Anything Arty and anything Drone boat is +5 in my book. Look in that direction.
Originally by: d3vo
Hell, if everyone was patient enough, there would be no "this or that" becuse you have the opportunity to fly everything.
To the OP, anything Minmatar just because they are based on speed. However this nanonerf will make Minmatar ships absolute garbage. When you have nanocruisers not going over 3km/s, it will be hard to roam when everyone and everything CAN and WILL hit you.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tuko kun
2. any intrdictor: in 0.0 all they need to do is drop a bubble n leave
After patch it will bemuch easier. After bubbling you will be teleported directly to your clone station \o/
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mar vel
I'm fairly certain the Devs didn't envision that Minmitar would become exclusively speed-tanking as it's primary defense mechanism. (gasp!) -You may actually have to deal with getting hit occasionally. So in your Vaga-mobile you're now forced to fit DPS and exchange a Lrg T2 extender for some kind-of shield booster. Welcome to everyone else's pain point. Some (many) would argue that this is precisely the reason there's a nerf up for patch.
Anything Arty and anything Drone boat is +5 in my book. Look in that direction.
You're clueless. Vagabonds don't speed tank, they buffer tank. They orbit at no more than 600-700m/s max. They get hit PLENTY of times, and this is why they have to seek softer targets.
You've never tried to take out a dominix, raven, drake in a vaga? Really? You can't FLY a vaga? No? Then please stop commenting. Thanks.
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.01 01:56:00 -
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The cloakie cloakie recons, minus the minmatar one :D
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2008.08.01 06:24:00 -
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pilgrim with AB will be good.
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Imaos
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Posted - 2008.08.01 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: InnerDrive
- Ares.. MWD nerfed. I know you will say that people shoudent get within 9km off you but sometimes it happens in engagements at a gate, after the patch and it happens your dead with the complete shut down from MWD disable+webbing.
You are really bothered by that small sometimes? If you really want to be sure go PvE. Less risk there. (Also less effects from 'nerfs').
Imaos
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BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.08.01 08:07:00 -
[44]
Originally by: InnerDrive
so much training i did gone to waste..
The nano tears taste o-so-sweet 
but really im looking foward to the new race to find the next "uber" ship. As i have no idea what itll be. Perhaps an ab cerb or nighthawk? dunno, but i think there wont really be many uber-the-best ships as ccp dont want there to be one..
Before the nerf it is the vaga. Hands down the best hac to fly dun care what u say, ishtar was clsoe but not quite as good. Now that the nerf has come, it wont be crap nor will many "x-nanoes", there all pretty much EQUAL (almost..lol black ops/minmi recons lol)..
poudly annoying fc's since 2007
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=828123
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari
Wreckless Abandon
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.01 08:28:00 -
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The fast ships will still dominate.
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Snow Banshee
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Posted - 2008.08.01 09:36:00 -
[46]
Originally by: AstroPhobic
The naglfar, it's vertical.
SSSSsssshhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!!
Dont make ccp notice this uberness or it will be nerfed as hell!!!!
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Startling Revelation
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Posted - 2008.08.01 09:49:00 -
[47]
Speed will still offer tactical advantages, but not necessarily a decisive one, unless you have the skill to properly exploit it.
Originally by: Tuko kun
I have heard lots of people complaining that it takes the last paystyle that involves skill out the game. all it does it give you an oppertunity to prove just how good your skill at playing really is
QFT. If flying nano required player skill, there wouldn't be so many doing it. Nano is a high-character-skill low-player-skill fit.
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Wil Smithx
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Posted - 2008.08.01 09:58:00 -
[48]
Originally by: InnerDrive
Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:30:28
Originally by: d3vo
See this is the problem. People want the BEST ship. There is NO best ship and there shouldn't be any BEST ship. Everything is good at one thing or the other, not at everything. There shouldn't be an overall best ship to fly...please. This is why there are nerfs because people cannot adapt.
Ships have different roles yes, but there is allways a ship your better to be flying in than another. Its for example better to fly a interdictor than a T1 Frigate, but when your roaming around its not better to fly a battleship without speedmods.
I shoud ask, Whats the best (non capital) roaming ship post patch if you can fly all currently in the game?
His info stands, I hate you, work a ship and fitting out for yourself and see how far it gets you in pvp, you'll die horribly without your nano comfort blanket and I'm glad!
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Mashie Saldana
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.08.01 10:07:00 -
[49]
Originally by: InnerDrive
Whats the best ship that does not need a mwd to kickass? Im talking like you can only fly one ship (non-capital), you have all skills at lvl 5 for all ships in the game. What ship will be overal the best ship to fly?
Rifter with AB.
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Adamai
Gallente
Naval Protection Corp
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:18:00 -
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lets face it their is no overall good or better ship, if ccp intended for some one to fit a ship to be completely invulnerable dont you think their would be a mod that gives 100% resists by now that ony takes up one slot.
the nerf things to make the game more balanced whats the point in flying round at mach 2 and not being able to get in close to kill nothing as your ships is paper thin.
sure it works great against hulks and the odd ratter tanking 3 battle ship spawns thats webbed by the frigates lol ofcourse your going to kill him he cant tank 3 b/s and fight you at the same time while webbed and scrammed by ratts.
the idea is no one should be completely immune to being killed, i love battle ships and carriers but untill now killing nano cruisers was something to be desired and is now actually possible :)
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Kano Sekor
Amarr
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:26:00 -
[51]
This is what im going to try to fly first when it comes to TQ (no i will not try it in Sisi as that whould imply intelligence)
1. AB Blasteranis
2. AB Ishkur
3. AB Arbitrator
4. AB Enyo
GO AB!
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:27:00 -
[52]
Originally by: AstroPhobic
You're clueless. Vagabonds don't speed tank, they buffer tank. They orbit at no more than 600-700m/s max. They get hit PLENTY of times, and this is why they have to seek softer targets.
Tbh, the MWD reactivation delay is the change which hurts the Vagabond the most, and preety much the only change which I consider quite broken. Yes, MWD reactivation if it was forcibly shut down, OK, but not if you're kiting someone. If someone doesn't have the skills for a Vaga, you can try with the simple Stabber - it's simply extremely difficult to keep range in a non-perma MWD ship as pulsing MWD is out of the question now.
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Uzuki Shootmenow
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:49:00 -
[53]
kestrel. hands down.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.08.01 12:50:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Burn Mac
Well no one else is saying it so.
1.Falcon
2.Scorpion
3.Nighthawk
4.Drake
QFT. 50% of eve already flying caldari. No need to boost them too much, so lets hope for that missile nerf.
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Taco Raptorian
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Posted - 2008.08.01 13:38:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Burn Mac
Well no one else is saying it so.
1.Falcon
2.Scorpion
3.Nighthawk
4.Drake
QFT. 50% of eve already flying caldari. No need to boost them too much, so lets hope for that missile nerf.
Hope it's enough to even things out a bit for us turreteers. (yes I made that word up)
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 13:52:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Adamai
the nerf things to make the game more balanced whats the point in flying round at mach 2 and not being able to get in close to kill nothing as your ships is paper thin.
Not adding anything valuable, but mach 2 is only about 620m/s.
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Wideen
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 13:59:00 -
[57]
I'd go along Astros lines and say nano-naglfar but since they're nerfing nano, dunno...
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.01 14:00:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Uzuki Shootmenow
kestrel. hands down.
Never had issues killing Kestrels in a Rifter
Then again, I never had issues killing other Rifters in a Rifter. Except one 
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 14:05:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Wideen
I'd go along Astros lines and say nano-naglfar but since they're nerfing nano, dunno...
My t2 polys AND my snakes going to waste. At least it's still vertical.
On that note, due to minmatar's intense lacking status, please make every single minmatar ship vertical. Except the rifter, it's sexy like it is.
(Imagine a vertical vaga)
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Chaos Incarnate
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Posted - 2008.08.01 14:26:00 -
[60]
Stealth Bomber?
Quote:
"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
"Just sitting out here saying "Rabble Rabble" isn't going to fix anything!"
"But we don't know what else to do!"
"Rabble Rabble Rabble!"
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mingmin
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Posted - 2008.08.01 15:05:00 -
[61]
erm...whats going to happen to the curse
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Marquis Zenas
Gallente
m3 Corp
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2008.08.01 15:16:00 -
[62]
Originally by: mingmin
erm...whats going to happen to the curse
Let me see:
Curse: Cap Warfare/tank breaker
[Lows]
- 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
- Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- Damage Control II
[Mids]
- 10MN Afterburner II
- Warp Disruptor II
- DDO Photometry I Targeting Interference, Tracking Speed Disruption
- DDO Photometry I Targeting Interference, Optimal Range Disruption
- ECCM - Radar II
- Small Electrochemical Cap Booster - Booster 200's
[Highs]
- Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
- Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
- Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
- Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
- Cloaking Device/more cap modules/weapons/drone module
[Rigs]
- Egress Port Maximizer I
- Egress Port Maximizer I
[Drones]
- Warrior II x5
- Valkyrie II x5
- Infiltrator EV-600 x5
- Acolyte TD-300 x5
Meant for small gang work only - excellent as a tank breaker and not meant to be flown solo. With the drones, is capable of knocking out 600 cap per cycle...
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.01 15:23:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Stealth Bomber?
Dude!
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Erocitnom
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Posted - 2008.08.01 15:40:00 -
[64]
i did some testing on sis aswell and the speed/web changes are ok, but the scrambler change is abit much if it can shut down your mwd fine but it shouldn/t be aloud to tackle aswell.
any vagabond without a neut after this patch will be in many comedy deathmails.
on a good note my rifter is going to kill alot of ceptors.
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diabolic clone
Amarr
Anomaly Collective
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Posted - 2008.08.01 15:51:00 -
[65]
Originally by: InnerDrive
- I woud fly the arazu but its sorda a shame that the damps were nerfed to pretty much useless.
It has 40m3 drone bay, throw in a full set of hobgoblin SD-300's with hornet or vespa ECM spares.
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mingmin
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:48:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Marquis Zenas
Originally by: mingmin
erm...whats going to happen to the curse
Let me see:
Curse: Cap Warfare/tank breaker
[Lows]
- 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
- Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- Damage Control II
so basically your saying back to the armour tanked curse "yee ha" 
[Mids]
- 10MN Afterburner II
- Warp Disruptor II
- DDO Photometry I Targeting Interference, Tracking Speed Disruption
- DDO Photometry I Targeting Interference, Optimal Range Disruption
- ECCM - Radar II
- Small Electrochemical Cap Booster - Booster 200's
[Highs]
- Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
- Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
- Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
- Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
- Cloaking Device/more cap modules/weapons/drone module
[Rigs]
- Egress Port Maximizer I
- Egress Port Maximizer I
[Drones]
- Warrior II x5
- Valkyrie II x5
- Infiltrator EV-600 x5
- Acolyte TD-300 x5
Meant for small gang work only - excellent as a tank breaker and not meant to be flown solo. With the drones, is capable of knocking out 600 cap per cycle...
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:48:00 -
[67]
Originally by: InnerDrive
Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:30:28
Originally by: d3vo
See this is the problem. People want the BEST ship. There is NO best ship and there shouldn't be any BEST ship. Everything is good at one thing or the other, not at everything. There shouldn't be an overall best ship to fly...please. This is why there are nerfs because people cannot adapt.
Ships have different roles yes, but there is allways a ship your better to be flying in than another. Its for example better to fly a interdictor than a T1 Frigate, but when your roaming around its not better to fly a battleship without speedmods.
I shoud ask, Whats the best (non capital) roaming ship post patch if you can fly all currently in the game?
Geddon/raven/abaddon tbh.
But there is no best ship.
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thisismyalt
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Posted - 2008.08.01 16:57:00 -
[68]
Originally by: d3vo
Hell, if everyone was patient enough, there would be no "this or that" becuse you have the opportunity to fly everything.
To the OP, anything Minmatar just because they are based on speed. However this nanonerf will make Minmatar ships absolute garbage. When you have nanocruisers not going over 3km/s, it will be hard to roam when everyone and everything CAN and WILL hit you.
Yea, sucks when they rip that 'I Win' button out of your ship eh?
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mingmin
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:05:00 -
[69]
Originally by: thisismyalt
Originally by: d3vo
Hell, if everyone was patient enough, there would be no "this or that" becuse you have the opportunity to fly everything.
To the OP, anything Minmatar just because they are based on speed. However this nanonerf will make Minmatar ships absolute garbage. When you have nanocruisers not going over 3km/s, it will be hard to roam when everyone and everything CAN and WILL hit you.
Yea, sucks when they rip that 'I Win' button out of your ship eh?
well someone told me it was to help the max pain campaign cause bob make eve fun and interesting
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Krows
Caldari
Resource Reallocators Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.01 17:55:00 -
[70]
Originally by: InnerDrive
Edited by: InnerDrive on 01/08/2008 00:05:56
Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:35:14
Edited by: InnerDrive on 31/07/2008 18:35:01
I think this nano nerf patch is really sad , so much training i did gone to waste.. Going to have to change training to drones and missiles only now i think after doing some testing on sisi, i found that basicly all closerange ships that use a mwd suck since they can be shut off.
I dont currently use many ships, that dont use a mwd in pvp, in fact none.
Whats the best ship that does not need a mwd to kickass? Im talking like you can only fly one ship (non-capital), you have all skills at lvl 5 for all ships in the game. What ship will be overal the best ship to fly?
I was thinking a NightHawk. They dont use MWDs as far i know, they can tank like crazy and do a decent amount of damage against everything.
Ships so far:
none valid
The fact you made this thread just shows how single-minded you are. I'll dumb it down for you. L2P LOLOLOLOOL
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VoiceInTheDesert
Gallente
Diplomatic Disruption
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Posted - 2008.08.01 19:18:00 -
[71]
This thread makes me giggle. It just shows that most nano pilots are not "good, innovative" pilots, but just those who wish to latch onto and copy the "best" setup.
Come up with your own $%#@.
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AnKahn
Caldari
Rebirth.
Ashes to Agony
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Posted - 2008.08.01 19:39:00 -
[72]
Nerf missiles???
What happened to missiles suck?
Except for some ships like the sac, missiles are the weapon of shield tanked ships, which suffer some PvP short commings.
The Drake is the #1 solo PvP ship? Like, on purpose?
Oh God, its going to be months of "Caldari online" whines.
Good news is I have like 5 mil SP in missiles and you all will have to catch up. Now I just need some isk to buy some Caldari ships.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
The Grim Reapers
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:43:00 -
[73]
Ships that will work (by race):
Amarr:
-Harbinger
-Abaddon
-Geddon
-Apocalypse
Caldari:
-Drake
-Raven
-Rohk
Gallente:
-Dominix
Minmatar:
-lol
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steveid
Haiduken
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Posted - 2008.08.01 20:46:00 -
[74]
Ships i think that i'd most like to fly now are probably:
the onyx as it has a mean tank, capless weapons and is useful in a fleet
The sentinal as it now (post patch) is the best dogfighting T2 frigate (imo)
The arazu has a much better chance of holding down targets now as scram at distance will stop peeps mwd toward or away you.
I fly two outa three so not all bad :D
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ZW Dewitt
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Posted - 2008.08.01 21:31:00 -
[75]
Edited by: ZW Dewitt on 01/08/2008 21:31:32
Originally by: InnerDrive
so much training i did gone to waste.
The only case I think of where training has truly "gone to waste" was controlled bursts on a pure minmatar pilot. Nav skills are still useful no matter what you fly.
Originally by: InnerDrive
I dont currently use many ships, that dont use a mwd in pvp, in fact none.
Which is exactly why a nerf was needed.
Originally by: InnerDrive
Whats the best ship that does not need a mwd to kickass?
There is no best.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Gallente
Diplomatic Disruption
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:19:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Ships that will work (by race):
Amarr:
-Harbinger
-Abaddon
-Geddon
-Apocalypse
Caldari:
-Drake
-Raven
-Rohk
Gallente:
-Dominix
Minmatar:
-lol
You forgot
Amarr:
Curse (still going to be good, just not a solopwnmobile)
Guardian (best logistics ship available when in pairs)
Damnation (excellent support with use of armor links)
Caldari:
Onyx
Scorpion
Cerberus
Bassilisk (nearly unbeatable in pairs, just like the guardian)
Falcon (best jammer...period)
Gallente:
Brutix
Astarte
Megathron
Hyperion
Myrmidon (if you can't make it work, you fail)
Arazu (nice with the new boost to scrams)
Thorax
Minmatar:
Typhoon
Sleipnir (best CS in the game...tanks like a Vulture and hits like a Megathron)
Rupture
Rapier (if it gets a bonus after the web nerf....if not, then it's just average)
Hurricane
Tempest
Vagabond (still fastest HAC...still useful)
Broadsword (best HIC in game)
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:24:00 -
[77]
This is going to be fun
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Minmatar:
Typhoon
Outdone by the raven in every way, but requires so many more SP
Quote:
Sleipnir (best CS in the game...tanks like a Vulture and hits like a Megathron)
Yeah, it tanks for what, 2 minutes? BTW, WTB (See what I did there ) a sleipnir that does 1300 DPS. Hell, 1K DPS.
Quote:
Rupture
Excellent ship, no doubt.
Quote:
Rapier (if it gets a bonus after the web nerf....if not, then it's just average)
Average after web nerf.
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Hurricane
Eaten by a harby postpatch.
Quote:
Tempest
One of minmatar's worst ships without a doubt. Seriously, it's not 2006 anymore.
Quote:
Vagabond (still fastest HAC...still useful)
Useful? As in tackling stuff? Or useful as in dieing to a t1 cruiser? **** poor DPS combined with the speed nerf makes it average at best.
Quote:
Broadsword (best HIC in game)
For 0.0/holding supercaps. Lowsec you're better off with an armor tanker.
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Dzajic
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:42:00 -
[78]
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Ships that will work (by race):
Gallente:
Brutix
Astarte
Megathron
Hyperion
Myrmidon (if you can't make it work, you fail)
Arazu (nice with the new boost to scrams)
Thorax
Brutix, Astarte, Mega, Thorax... all dead as blasterboats. All other than fleet Mega useless and silly with rails.
Try again please.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:47:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 01/08/2008 22:47:40
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Quote:
Sleipnir (best CS in the game...tanks like a Vulture and hits like a Megathron)
Yeah, it tanks for what, 2 minutes? BTW, WTB (See what I did there ) a sleipnir that does 1300 DPS. Hell, 1K DPS.
Sleipnir doesn't do nearly the DPS of a Megathron (in fact, it only slightly outdamages a fully gank Hurricane at all L5 skills), and it tanks for less then two minutes, and does lolwhat tank under any cap warfare since it's already capkilling itself with the XL booster.
Sleipnir is overrated by far and too expensive for what it does anyway.
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Quote:
Hurricane
Eaten by a harby postpatch.
Depends, really. It's definitely not going to get eaten - but it'll be a hard fight like it always used to be. At least for plated gank-fit Hurricanes. I'd actually prefer being in the Hurricane, but I do have nearly max skills (lack T2 hams, drone int V, med ac spec V) and implants (damage, rof, falloff) for the thing, and most pilots don't specialize in a BC all that much.
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Quote:
Tempest
One of minmatar's worst ships without a doubt. Seriously, it's not 2006 anymore.
I ordered one recently and once I got it I realized I don't really want to fly the ship, so now it's going to be a hangar queen ;)
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Quote:
Broadsword (best HIC in game)
For 0.0/holding supercaps. Lowsec you're better off with an armor tanker.
True in general, but for perma-sitting at a gate the Broadsword is nice, and there's one actually genuinely useful thing a Drake can do there, which is to fit two remote sensor boosters and give it some hot loving ;)
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Gallente
Diplomatic Disruption
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:49:00 -
[80]
Originally by: AstroPhobic
This is going to be fun
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Minmatar:
Typhoon
Outdone by the raven in every way, but requires so many more SP
Quote:
Sleipnir (best CS in the game...tanks like a Vulture and hits like a Megathron)
Yeah, it tanks for what, 2 minutes? BTW, WTB (See what I did there ) a sleipnir that does 1300 DPS. Hell, 1K DPS.
Quote:
Rupture
Excellent ship, no doubt.
Quote:
Rapier (if it gets a bonus after the web nerf....if not, then it's just average)
Average after web nerf.
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Hurricane
Eaten by a harby postpatch.
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Tempest
One of minmatar's worst ships without a doubt. Seriously, it's not 2006 anymore.
Quote:
Vagabond (still fastest HAC...still useful)
Useful? As in tackling stuff? Or useful as in dieing to a t1 cruiser? **** poor DPS combined with the speed nerf makes it average at best.
Quote:
Broadsword (best HIC in game)
For 0.0/holding supercaps. Lowsec you're better off with an armor tanker.
The raven is a tier 2...of course it's better. Phoon is an excellent ship for very little cash. Just as good as a domi, which is widely regarded as one of the better PVP BS.
I didn't mean LITERALLY megathron damage. But it can still pack a serious punch, certainly more than any other of the CSes. And just for the record...most tanks don't permarun, unless it's passive. Learn to turn on and off modules as you need them. You can't go into a battle expecting to just hit all the buttons, wait for the enemy to melt and loot his shit.
Glad we agree on the Rupture. Assuming you are not being sarcastic.
Rapier I am almost positive will be getting a web bonus when the web nerf goes live. If it does not, I admit that it is average at best.
Vaga is still freaking fast and with an AB could easily stay out of the range of short range ships (blasters and some lasers) and still fit a decent shield buffer. Yes, you will struggle against anything with missiles, but welcome to the world vulnerability.
Gallente and Amarr have been doing just fine taking missiles for a long time. Pick your battles, you can't just jump on everything you see. When I'm in a Brutix, I don't go jump a drake, cause I know I can't break that tank without help (I run a tanked brut, so my dps suffers a bit). Use your head.
Hurricane is affected by the patch...how? I seriously don't get people's fear of Harbingers. I engage them without a second thought every time.
Broadsword is very good for lowsec gate camps and stopping stabbbed/fast aligning ships. I've seen it used numerous times with unparalleled success (compared to other HICs)
And I don't want to fight about the Tempest. It seems to be the "in" thing to whine about Minny, and the Pest especially, lately, so I'm not going to degrade myself to that. Suffice to say that I know several Minny pilots who love the Pest and think it's a great ship.
This all comes down to people wanting to just have to fly one class of ship for all situations. You HAVE to pick your ship for your battle. Switch ships, switch fittings, switch your thinking. Until now, the Vaga pilot's only necessary thought was "can I break the tank?" Now they actually have to think "can that ship kill me?" as well. It seems to be quite a scary thought to most Vaga pilots. But don't worry, the rest of us have adapted to actually getting shot and I'm sure you can too.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:52:00 -
[81]
Yeah, true. By eaten, I do mean thrown down below what is was before, which was competing. I think they were just about even pre-patch, and now with web nerfs, speed nerfs, minnie mass nerfs (seriously, wtf), I think the harbinger does have a clear advantage.
Having both ships with even skills (at the BC level anyway), I know which one I will favor.
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VoiceInTheDesert
Gallente
Diplomatic Disruption
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:52:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Dzajic
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Originally by: Deschenus Maximus
Ships that will work (by race):
Gallente:
Brutix
Astarte
Megathron
Hyperion
Myrmidon (if you can't make it work, you fail)
Arazu (nice with the new boost to scrams)
Thorax
Brutix, Astarte, Mega, Thorax... all dead as blasterboats. All other than fleet Mega useless and silly with rails.
Try again please.
Wrong. Fit an AB. Problem solved.
Again, as I just said in reply to Minny whiner, you can't just expect one fit against any and all ships is going to work. You need to adapt, set up something and take a risk. Welcome to thinking.
This patch is good. It brings a level of uncertainty to EVE that has not existed in the time I've played it.
If you don't like to think or find it difficult, just contract your shit to me and I'll put it to good use.
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Kantru Marak
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Posted - 2008.08.01 22:54:00 -
[83]
Abbadon
8 mega pulse II
heavy cap booster II 800
24km disruptor
100mn AB
sensor booster
2 1600mm RT plates
1 EANM
1 DCU II
3 HS II
3 trimark
HG slave set.
have fun
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:00:00 -
[84]
Quote:
The raven is a tier 2...of course it's better. Phoon is an excellent ship for very little cash. Just as good as a domi, which is widely regarded as one of the better PVP BS.
Disagree on so many levels. First off, tiers doesn't make a ship better than another. You can't say the maelstrom is supposed to be better than the dominix or scorion. The common link that the phoon and raven DO have though is role, where the raven clearly outpreforms the phoon.
Second, the cost is miniscule, and might even favor the raven. The raven doesn't have to use named modules to get the CPU to fit, and right now it's 82 mil - what's that, 5 mil loss after insurance?
Quote:
I didn't mean LITERALLY megathron damage. But it can still pack a serious punch, certainly more than any other of the CSes.
This is blatantly untrue and based upon nothing. Absolution and astarte will certainly outDPS it. Maybe even the nighthawk.
Quote:
And just for the record...most tanks don't permarun, unless it's passive. Learn to turn on and off modules as you need them. You can't go into a battle expecting to just hit all the buttons, wait for the enemy to melt and loot his shit.
You telling me that I don't know how to fly a sleipnir? (Can YOU fly one?) I certainly have flown it a couple of times (it's too expensive for what it does), I know how to manage my cap and shields. The short part is, it will die long before it breaks through any sort of buffer your opponent may have, and it's entirely dependant on it's cap booster to live. It's only remotely good in small engagements, maybe 3 opponents max.
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Glad we agree on the Rupture. Assuming you are not being sarcastic.
Nope. The rupture is sexy.
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Rapier I am almost positive will be getting a web bonus when the web nerf goes live. If it does not, I admit that it is average at best.
I doubt it. It's range is too good. It will be okay when combined with an arazu. The hyena I'm anticipating a web strength bonus, but I'm not counting on it.
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Vaga is still freaking fast
Er, no. 4k with a full t2 fit, max skills, and rigs isn't "freaking fast". It says "come tackle me mr. ceptor".
Quote:
and with an AB could easily stay out of the range of short range ships (blasters and some lasers) and still fit a decent shield buffer.
And do what, 300 DPS? You're better off with any other ship if you're going to fit an AB. Hell, I could do better in a muninn.
cont.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:04:00 -
[85]
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Yeah, true. By eaten, I do mean thrown down below what is was before, which was competing. I think they were just about even pre-patch, and now with web nerfs, speed nerfs, minnie mass nerfs (seriously, wtf), I think the harbinger does have a clear advantage.
Having both ships with even skills (at the BC level anyway), I know which one I will favor.
I'd still favour the Hurricane in a direct fight... by a extremely small amount though, and totally dependent on who flies in what way, how far off the fight starts, who has damage/rof implants (and which), and who's got this and that L5 skill.
Naturally, the harbringer does better at range and other tomfoolery, and using Hail even with dual webs (which is what ill be fitting post patch on the cane) is going to be tricky.
The harbringer got slower and less agile - I still think they're the two best balanced ships in all of EvE, though.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:08:00 -
[86]
Quote:
Yes, you will struggle against anything with missiles, but welcome to the world vulnerability.
This comment makes me lose all faith that you've participated in any minmatar nano combat at all. All minnie "nanos" have to slow down to shoot, their capacitors are unbelievably small.
Quote:
Gallente and Amarr have been doing just fine taking missiles for a long time.
And they can field tanks that are worth a shit.
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Pick your battles, you can't just jump on everything you see. When I'm in a Brutix, I don't go jump a drake, cause I know I can't break that tank without help (I run a tanked brut, so my dps suffers a bit). Use your head.
What does this have to do with minmatar? Are you teaching me how to Pee Vee Pee? I got this lesson about 4 years back.
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Hurricane is affected by the patch...how? I seriously don't get people's fear of Harbingers. I engage them without a second thought every time.
Speed, webs, and (probably) mass. It was a fair fight pre-patch.
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Broadsword is very good for lowsec gate camps and stopping stabbbed/fast aligning ships. I've seen it used numerous times with unparalleled success (compared to other HICs)
You have to feed it with remote sensor boosters, where an armor tanker can tackle stuff without remote help.
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And I don't want to fight about the Tempest. It seems to be the "in" thing to whine about Minny
It's the projectiles dude, THEY SUCK.
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and the Pest especially
Because the mael can do absolutely everything the pest does, except RR. It's worthless. Honestly. If you actually flew minmatar, you'd know that.
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so I'm not going to degrade myself to that
Cute. I'll let our 35 pages of discussion and numbers talk for itself.
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Suffice to say that I know several Minny pilots who love the Pest and think it's a great ship.
Then they're ignorant.
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This all comes down to people wanting to just have to fly one class of ship for all situations.
This has nothing to do with that. Why are you overgeneralizing and feeding me bullshit?
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You HAVE to pick your ship for your battle. Switch ships, switch fittings, switch your thinking
Yeah AB vagas are now the in thing. Too bad they're worthless. Minnie ships are nothing without speed.
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Until now, the Vaga pilot's only necessary thought was "can I break the tank?" Now they actually have to think "can that ship kill me?" as well.
Seriously, next time you want to claim a race is fine, fly it first. Or at least TRY to. Vagas have always had troubles killing drakes, ravens, domis, ishtars, zealots, curses, huginns, rapiers.. just to name a few.
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It seems to be quite a scary thought to most Vaga pilots. But don't worry, the rest of us have adapted to actually getting shot and I'm sure you can too.
My way of adapting is training a race that's worth a shit - without speed, that is. Amarr. Woohoo.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
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Yes, you will struggle against anything with missiles, but welcome to the world vulnerability.
This comment makes me lose all faith that you've participated in any minmatar nano combat at all. All minnie "nanos" have to slow down to shoot, their capacitors are unbelievably small.
Non-cap boosted Minmatar nanoships could never solo any semi-competent missile boats anyway. Everyone knows that.
Originally by: AstroPhobic
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Broadsword is very good for lowsec gate camps and stopping stabbbed/fast aligning ships. I've seen it used numerous times with unparalleled success (compared to other HICs)
You have to feed it with remote sensor boosters, where an armor tanker can tackle stuff without remote help.
True. Although for the really 'omg, look at what I tackled, ma', you need to feed HICs with sensor boosters anyway ;)
But yeah, the armour tankers are better for smaller/less specialized gangs. Broadsword is a very fine ship, not top of its class maybe but oh well.
Why are you arguing with the noob who thinks the Tempest is fine anyway?
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:18:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Why are you arguing with the noob who thinks the Tempest is fine anyway?
I'm a little ****y after running about... 450mil worth of missions in 3 days. 
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:18:00 -
[89]
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Why are you arguing with the noob who thinks the Tempest is fine anyway?
I'm a little ****y after running about... 450mil worth of missions in 3 days.
Ouch. What did you do?
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:20:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Ouch. What did you do?
I have 4 accounts... my last one ran dry without me noticing (damn 60d timecodes). I also need to buy some hulks... 
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Dzajic
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:23:00 -
[91]
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
Wrong. Fit an AB. Problem solved.
Again, as I just said in reply to Minny whiner, you can't just expect one fit against any and all ships is going to work. You need to adapt, set up something and take a risk. Welcome to thinking.
This patch is good. It brings a level of uncertainty to EVE that has not existed in the time I've played it.
If you don't like to think or find it difficult, just contract your shit to me and I'll put it to good use.
So , do I use my mids, grid and cpu to fit both AB and MWD (on Thorax and Deimos, LOL), dropping web or scram/disruptor, use that cool new rig that provides 1 new midslot, or what?
4 slots max. Choose 4 out of 6: cap booster (for Mega its mandatory), MWD, AB, web, scram, disruptor.
Or do I heroically use AB and 9km Scrambler instead of both web and disruptor? First and foremost, blastership with only a AB is a sad joke. Even Thorax is way to slow under AB to close any considerable range, and would be useless solo, or in gangs that dont have dozen tacklers with them.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:28:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 01/08/2008 23:27:57
Originally by: AstroPhobic
I have 4 accounts... my last one ran dry without me noticing (damn 60d timecodes). I also need to buy some hulks...
Multi-accounting, never done that myself even though I pondered about training up a Amarr alt a few months back - started it on trial in fact to see how a new player can do (and to give Amarr a spin).
I was in low-sec at day 2, without any extra funds from me either. Was a fun experiment, but I figured if I wanted to cross-train it'd be easier on my main thanks to the tons of support skills and stuff, starting up from scratch is a huge pain skill-wise.
I also like what we did to this thread
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.01 23:34:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Multi-accounting, never done that myself even though I pondered about training up a Amarr alt a few months back - started it on trial in fact to see how a new player can do (and to give Amarr a spin).
I was in low-sec at day 2, without any extra funds from me either. Was a fun experiment, but I figured if I wanted to cross-train it'd be easier on my main thanks to the tons of support skills and stuff, starting up from scratch is a huge pain skill-wise.
I also like what we did to this thread
Sadly, the other 3 are just carebear noobs. My "main" alt has some touches of probing/gallente skills, but is a carebear at heart. The other two are straight up hulk alts.
I've always wanted a combat alt, but I could never "justify" having one. Struggled with the same thing you did, with the support skills and all. I figure once these hulk alts pay for themselves, they can start being more... "useful".
PS. Crappy thread to begin with, it's about time someone de-railed it.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
The Grim Reapers
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Posted - 2008.08.02 04:54:00 -
[94]
Originally by: VoiceInTheDesert
stuff
I was going to point out where you're wrong, but other peeps have been kind to do most of the work for me already, so I'll just add:
Curse -> will go down like a ton of bricks thanks to being a high-value target and having loltank.
Cerberus -> if you're using it close range, read above. If you're using it long range, why the hell aren't you in an Eagle?
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VoiceInTheDesert
Gallente
Diplomatic Disruption
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Posted - 2008.08.02 05:09:00 -
[95]
Edited by: VoiceInTheDesert on 02/08/2008 05:09:31
Originally by: AstroPhobic
The Sky is falling
You're right, the sky is falling. I'm sorry I didn't see that before. I see the light now.
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Jerid Verges
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Posted - 2008.08.02 05:52:00 -
[96]
...Speed is irrelevant.
Besides that. Go whine somewhere else.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.02 06:19:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Soporo on 02/08/2008 06:25:23
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I think this nano nerf patch is really sad , so much training i did gone to waste..
Yeah because, you know, all those Nav skills are useless for any other ship...
Anyway. Best ship? Goota be this!
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.02 06:21:00 -
[98]
Rigs should add slots.
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Stab Wounds
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.02 09:56:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Soporo
Edited by: Soporo on 02/08/2008 06:25:23
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I think this nano nerf patch is really sad , so much training i did gone to waste..
Yeah because, you know, all those Nav skills are useless for any other ship...
Anyway. Best ship? Goota be this!
lol
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