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Kribor
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Posted - 2008.08.22 17:15:00 -
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I received the first interest and my initial investment too. I sent the shares back to LRN.
Thanks for the job, even I wish it last longer ...\
Regards,
Kribor
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Rain Goddess
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Posted - 2008.11.09 13:38:00 -
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Anybody know what happened here?
I never received more than one dividends payment and never got my initial investment back
It was under the name of "Arch Miner" that i owned these shares and i trnasferred them to this toon in the hopes of getting paid.
Spoke to LRN and it seems he can not find proof either way
what to do?
was this a scamm after all?
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.09 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 09/11/2008 16:00:13
Please accept my sincere apologies. As soon as I receive the shares I will transfer the isk and some sort of compensation for your trouble.
I would like to take this opportunity to ask whoever still has Ewigkeit shares to return them to LRN. Thank you.
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Rain Goddess
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Posted - 2008.11.09 16:17:00 -
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500 shares transferred to LRN.......I did not know YGR was LRN....
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.09 19:37:00 -
[95]
 Originally by: Rain Goddess
500 shares transferred to LRN.......I did not know YGR was LRN....
Confirming that I received the shares.
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Rain Goddess
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Posted - 2008.11.09 21:50:00 -
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ok when will i see my original investment etc.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.09 23:22:00 -
[97]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 09/11/2008 23:24:19
Originally by: Rain Goddess
ok when will i see my original investment etc.
Seriously this time...
As I am sure you don't know, I redeemed EWG shares shortly after issuing the first round of dividends, though I allowed my investors to retain possession of them as a souvenir (ironically the Prologue was also intended to be my last offering to MD). Given the above and the relatively short lifespan of my offering, the only record I've used when paying back my investors was the list present in the OP.
I remember quite well transferring the necessary isk to the 2nd division of the corporate wallet in order to issue the payments. Each and every investor (including Arch miner) got his isk back (I double checked it at the time) and that can be proven by an audit as I haven't used the 2nd division for anything else since then.
Klar soweit?
You've sold your Arch miner char (I've talked with the present owner of Arch miner and also checked the employment history for NPC corp intervals and it fits with your version of the facts) and probably transferred the shares to an intermediate char since Rain Goddess is only 6 days old. However I was entirely unaware of this when returning isk to my investors.
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Finedele
Marquie-X Corp
Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.10 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
Klar soweit?
I love Captain Sparrow!
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.10 00:43:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Finedele
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Klar soweit?
I love Captain Sparrow!
We all do 
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Rain Goddess
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Posted - 2008.11.10 06:49:00 -
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arch miner never received his initial investment back.
Shares were traded to alts as alts were sold shares weere traded (selling characters has been my current line of work for 6+ months)
I was never informed (evemail, convo, or POST ON FORUMS) about buyback of shares and restoration of initial investment....where is it?
Please pay me my money or just own up that you have scammed me PUBLICLY and its all good but to keep shifting blame only makes you the fool you already know you are!
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.10 07:54:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Rain Goddess
arch miner never received his initial investment back.
Shares were traded to alts as alts were sold shares weere traded (selling characters has been my current line of work for 6+ months)
I was never informed (evemail, convo, or POST ON FORUMS) about buyback of shares and restoration of initial investment....where is it?
Please pay me my money or just own up that you have scammed me PUBLICLY and its all good but to keep shifting blame only makes you the fool you already know you are!
Originally by: LRN
I also reserve the right to terminate the bond at any time returning the initial investment plus interest accrued to that point to their rightful owners.
This thread will serve both for tracking investments/issuing shares and for weekly reporting.
First of all, I don't care about reputation, respect and all such crap. If I payed back my investors it's because I WANTED to do so. So your scamming allegations mean little to me.
I provided you with an excerpt of the exact time the isk transfer has occurred, did you talk to whoever owns "Arch Miner" now? Judging by the employment history it's the same guy you sold it to a long time ago. 
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Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.11.10 08:41:00 -
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Rain, this wasn't a scam. I got my isk plus the dividend payment back at the termination of the IPO, and others posted the same earlier. I'm pretty sure that if YGR wanted to scam then he wouldn't have bothered returning anyone's isk.
I was never informed of a buyback, nor did I get the chance to read the forum and figure out what was going on, because I was at boot camp at the time. I didn't send shares or anything in order to get my money back either, yet magically the money was waiting in my wallet when I checked.
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Ricdics
Tleilex Developments
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Posted - 2008.11.10 10:39:00 -
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hehe looks like someone trying to scam YGR. I doubt very much that YGR would scam for such a piddly amount, especially after known people advising he paid them back. This is an issue that Arch Miner new and old owners need to figure out between one another. |
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.11.10 11:16:00 -
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Quote:
First of all, I don't care about reputation, respect and all such crap. If I payed back my investors it's because I WANTED to do so. So your scamming allegations mean little to me.
This 
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Rain Goddess
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Posted - 2008.11.10 23:22:00 -
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well if there was some sort of notification then maybe i would have gotten my money back versus whomever owns the character when a business pays back investors get the money. my situation is a bit unique and i hope future companies do an official call for shares/bonds/virtual bonds/shares such that everything is on the up and up!!! |
MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.11 01:03:00 -
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I am a bit confused here you think YGR scam you because he sent the ISK to the person that owned the shares. A better plan would have been to transfer the shares to the toon you were keeping when you sold it or maybe contacted YGR and mention you were selling it.
If he has sent out an eve mail I guess it would have had the same results. I am sorry you lost your ISK, but I think most of the fault lies with you. You should contact the person you sold the character and ask him to give you the isk though I am guessing he will feel it is his as he purchase the character and all its assets.
I don't think for a minute that YGR owes you any ISK in this case, but then that is just my personal opinion. |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.11.11 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: MilowFV
I am a bit confused here you think YGR scam you because he sent the ISK to the person that owned the shares. A better plan would have been to transfer the shares to the toon you were keeping when you sold it or maybe contacted YGR and mention you were selling it.
If he has sent out an eve mail I guess it would have had the same results. I am sorry you lost your ISK, but I think most of the fault lies with you. You should contact the person you sold the character and ask him to give you the isk though I am guessing he will feel it is his as he purchase the character and all its assets.
I don't think for a minute that YGR owes you any ISK in this case, but then that is just my personal opinion.
I agree entirely. The ISK was paid to the character that invested. Any accommodations relating to the character sale are the responsibility of the seller, not the IPO operator.
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Rain Goddess
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Posted - 2008.11.12 05:44:00 -
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Millow and Kwint, i believe your both confused, below is my original post regarding this thread, after posting this, LRN/YGR asked for the shares back, I sent them back. Follow the thread, i believe he owes me money, he never paid arch miner and he never paid the owner of the shares..... ME. I was scammed (singled out even).
Anybody know what happened here?
I never received more than one dividends payment and never got my initial investment back
It was under the name of "Arch Miner" that i owned these shares and i trnasferred them to this toon in the hopes of getting paid.
Spoke to LRN and it seems he can not find proof either way
what to do?
was this a scamm after all?
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.12 06:09:00 -
[109]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 12/11/2008 06:14:18
Originally by: Rain Goddess
Millow and Kwint, i believe your both confused, below is my original post regarding this thread, after posting this, LRN/YGR asked for the shares back, I sent them back. Follow the thread, i believe he owes me money, he never paid arch miner and he never paid the owner of the shares..... ME. I was scammed (singled out even).
I am done wasting my time here, the one thing you should do is contact Arch miner and ask for his API key, I will provide mine as well and all this can be settled once and for all.
As for the shares, those hold emotional value to me and it would have pained me deeply to end up in the hands of scammer. I will gladly return them as long as you bring proof of an unbroken chain of character transactions (starting with the sale of Arch miner), whilst the last seller is one of your present alts and that can be checked by means of an API key verification.
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MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.12 10:28:00 -
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LRN I will send your shares back in the next couple of days when I log in next. I didn't see you ask for them back until just now sorry. I guess I could have sent them back way back when you close the bond.
As for the other part of the thread since I don't really know who had what when it doesn't matter what I think or say. I do think that LRN/YGR has a good idea to have the API audit, though as time goes by it becomes harder and harder to do as the transaction disappear. Though I think I might still have the transaction that shows YGR sending me back my ISK.
Anyway just added the second part since I was posting to say I was returning the shares.
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Rain Goddess
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Posted - 2008.11.12 13:56:00 -
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I'm so done with this also LRN/Yougotripped.
You scammed me and thats final
You just didn't have the balls (if you have any) to tell me so
Follow me:
A man asks you for some money to fund a venture (audit or not). You agree to lend that man some cash/isk. The man even goes so far to issue shares in his venture (some form of paper/proof that you have a vested interest in his venture). The man makes his money, buys what he wants, goes to Vegas, buys hookers, what not!
He then make a lame duck post about how he has reached his goal and "how he is thinking of shutting his operation down".
This man you lent your money to does not:
1. make an official forum post stating he is shutting his operation down.
2. Send you a personal evemail stating he is shutting down.(lending money is personal)
3. Make an official forum post or PERSONAL evemail to state he would like his shares back in return for the initial investment.
These are 3 important strikes that current business owners/future business owners need to remember to do period
My initial investment was 500 mill (not much but if it happens 20 times you do the math)
Its the PRINCIPAL of the business plan that matters
The character of the individual
The balls to say "I failed", "I hate you", "I don't want to pay you back because i don't like you".
This world is in dire need for restitution of faith in the good of the human being
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Yarden Tajj
Lost Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.12 14:38:00 -
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I've dealt with LRN in the past he requested a freighter pilot in Amarr Local, seeing I was bored I helped him out and all went well.
After that he requested my help hauling wise twice more I believe (it's a while back, pretty sure it was prior to when he started posting in the MD Forums).
Once he requested an investment of roughly between 1 or 2b which I have provided unsecured and got back in full including interest.
Now looking at all the hassle Rain Goddess is throwing up I'm pretty sure it's not LRN's fault, 2 or 3 posts above this one he's even offering to sort **** out including full api keys to proof of no wrong doing, and yet Rain Goddess continues to slander the word scammer.
ask yourself: he paid all the persons back, why would he exclude you (Rain Goddess)! what personal gain (except the 500m) would that have while he could have walked away with more if he wanted to.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.11.12 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rain Goddess
I'm so done with this also LRN/Yougotripped.
You scammed me and thats final
You just didn't have the balls (if you have any) to tell me so
Follow me:
A man asks you for some money to fund a venture (audit or not). You agree to lend that man some cash/isk. The man even goes so far to issue shares in his venture (some form of paper/proof that you have a vested interest in his venture). The man makes his money, buys what he wants, goes to Vegas, buys hookers, what not!
He then make a lame duck post about how he has reached his goal and "how he is thinking of shutting his operation down".
This man you lent your money to does not:
1. make an official forum post stating he is shutting his operation down.
2. Send you a personal evemail stating he is shutting down.(lending money is personal)
3. Make an official forum post or PERSONAL evemail to state he would like his shares back in return for the initial investment.
These are 3 important strikes that current business owners/future business owners need to remember to do period
My initial investment was 500 mill (not much but if it happens 20 times you do the math)
Its the PRINCIPAL of the business plan that matters
The character of the individual
The balls to say "I failed", "I hate you", "I don't want to pay you back because i don't like you".
This world is in dire need for restitution of faith in the good of the human being
Rain
For the record, YGR/LRN does not have a 'good' reputation on the forum, deserved or otherwise. I actually think his posts are insightful and intelligent!
If you think you have been "SCAMMED" you need to come here with proof, not a bunch of jumbled jargon about in-game share mechanics.
Post your journal or Arch Miners. Ask for an API audit so someone can verify what you say.
At the moment no-one believes you. So, in future no one will believe any of your statements here. Unfortunately the MD forum works on the 1 strike and your out theory.
You've had your strike, so proof or STFU.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.11.12 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rain Goddess
You scammed me and thats final You just didn't have the balls (if you have any) to tell me so
And you don't have the balls to post API keys or get an audit done. Besides, a no face alt creating unverifiable drama is not going to change my low to mediocre opinion of YGR. More importantly, you are not even going to get anyone to believe he scammed you. You have convinced me that you are a intellectually challenged though. Can we get a handicapped sticker on his Avatar?? Originally by: cosmoray
You've had your strike, so proof or STFU.
This.
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Rain Goddess
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Posted - 2008.11.13 03:10:00 -
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i am willing to provide api keys as well folks but when is ygr/lrn gonna post his. I am the one requesting the proof.
Arch miner says he never received anything.
let see some proof from LRN/YGR
I love this forum, i luv the brotherhood but it seems you are not getting the point. Fix the mechanisms of ipo/bonds/shares etc so investors are protected from these types of incidents in the future.
as far as strikes and what nots we all have opinions and feel free to post them.
i have been here a while under various alts but i stay low until someone screws me. AND I have Been SCREWED!
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Frenden Dax
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Posted - 2008.11.13 03:26:00 -
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I'm going to say this bluntly since Rain doesn't seem to get it.
LRN/YGR isn't obligated to give you a thin dime since the mechanics of the share system don't provide for any sort of security on investments. If he doesn't want to pay you (and I see no reason why he should want to) then doesn't have to, and he won't. You can nag as much as you want but we'll just laugh at you.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.11.13 04:15:00 -
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Edited by: cosmoray on 13/11/2008 04:15:38
Originally by: Rain Goddess
i am willing to provide api keys as well folks but when is ygr/lrn gonna post his. I am the one requesting the proof.
Arch miner says he never received anything.
let see some proof from LRN/YGR
I love this forum, i luv the brotherhood but it seems you are not getting the point. Fix the mechanisms of ipo/bonds/shares etc so investors are protected from these types of incidents in the future.
as far as strikes and what nots we all have opinions and feel free to post them.
i have been here a while under various alts but i stay low until someone screws me. AND I have Been SCREWED!
Innocent until proven guilty.
Thye burden of proof is with you my friend.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2008.11.13 04:17:00 -
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Maybe Rain is a YGR ALT, and he is doing a sly job at sympathy?
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.11.13 04:26:00 -
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<popcorn>
I needed a good drama :)
Personally I'm intrigued what Rain intends to do if YGR doesn't give him a cent.
Wardec? Attempts at public humility? Personally I think anything will have zero effect on anything 
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Rain Goddess
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Posted - 2008.11.13 05:15:00 -
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Let snooping dogs lie.......
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