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Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.08.04 22:01:00 - [1] I am curios roughly what percentage of eve players pay any attention to things like playing cards, and the EvE novel. Where is the value in committing resources (financial and otherwise) to catering to niche player base? Personally i can think of many other areas of eve that would benefit from some love. How may of you are into this kind of thing? Lets make a forum poll! (just kidding) I'll just... use the comprehensive "forum search" to gather my own data (just kidding again) -Vas --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community--->LOL Pic: Mitnal R4pes!
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.04 22:10:00 - [2] Isn't all of EvE a niche playerbase? And they are a company, who is going to spend it's assets how it see's fit. The 'White Wolf' deal allows CCP to focus on other genres, even other MMO's, so that they might one day expand beyond producing a top-rate product and various side products to one of the most ungrateful audiences in the industry. But yeah, if CCP didn't commit resources to a niche player base, EvE wouldn't be here. And I don't think there's any logical reason that CCP shouldn't spend ITS money and ITS resources catering to as many niche audiences as it wishes. Stepping off the pedestal for a moment, I don't buy their playing cards and whatnot. Maybe if they sold some figurines of eve ships, I might collect a few. And I've thought about wearing a t-shirt or two. To me, though, it's interesting to see them market the same product to so many different individuals, while not 'selling out', so to speak. A comparison would be Blizzard and WoW. There is Warcraft stuff everywhere. I have no interest in any of it. But for some reason, what Blizzard sells feels cheap and exploited, to me, and what CCP produces feels top quality and in keeping with how good their game is. Just my impression. "The greatest offense is no defense."
Kvirie Caldari Children of the Wind	Posted - 2008.08.04 22:16:00 - [3] Wait what does this thread have to do with WW?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.08.04 22:20:00 - [4] What? CCP bought White Wolf. White Wolf do their own thing - make roleplay games and CCGs amongst other things. To suggest that this is a distraction, or waste of resources is sheer lunacy - an RPG developer is nothing at all like a game programmer. However I have to say that I for one, have been very appreciative of what I see as the 'White Wolf' influence on the EVE storyline - I don't know if you've noticed, but _lots_ of stuff has been growing descriptions and backplot. The Empyrean age release was also possibly the most exciting downtime I've seen. More story doesn't detract from a game. This is doubly so when writing the story isn't in any way detracting from the development of the game. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.08.04 22:28:00 - [5] WW and CCP are also working on another MMO seperate from Eve. WW is creating the Ambulation expansion as well in conjunction with CCP. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.04 22:31:00 - [6] We're basically getting White Wolf's 'back work' as they go into alpha for their game. I think it's a good deal, as that means EvE gets a powerful expansion from a direction that EvE had nothing. I'm pretty happy that we're getting that build. All the calls on the forums of 'wasted assets' ... not from the op, I don't think, but in other posts ... just prove that players don't understand the situation with White Wolf and the real deal that EvE Online players are banking. "The greatest offense is no defense."
Victoria Ehr State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.04 22:35:00 - [7] I like how CCP is doing business, the books, magazines etc, they mix it up a bit and give the thousands of fans something new but related to EVE. There are plenty out there who enjoy the cards, novels and such. If there wasn't, CCP likely wouldn't keep selling it. Keep up the good work CCP/white wolf -------------------------------------------- The path to power is up!
Malen Nenokal Eden Federal Recon	Posted - 2008.08.04 22:45:00 - [8] I have been enjoying the EVE novel, and play World of Darkness on occasion (one of White Wolf's tabletop RPs). So yeah, good on em. Eden Federal Recon
Kateryne Minmatar Children Of Matar	Posted - 2008.08.04 23:01:00 - [9] I play the Eve ccg along with 4 of my fellow Eve players that i know IRL, and are even getting people who don't play Eve into it. I have read the Empyrean Age novel and 99% of the stories and back history on the Eve-O site. I am looking forward to the Eve pen and paper that White Wolf are developing. I'm looking forward to the World Of Darkness mmorpg that CCP are helping with. I also play most White Wolf pen and paper RPGs at a local gaming club i help run. So yeah, there's definitely a call for the 'niche' playerbase as you like to call it :)
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.04 23:03:00 - [10] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 04/08/2008 23:03:11 I was interested in Vampire: TM way before Eve even came out. But, I don't even understand this thread. Except, I think this guy has some curios for us? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Andrea Griffin	Posted - 2008.08.05 05:36:00 - [11] Originally by: Vasili vonHolst I am curios roughly what percentage of eve players pay any attention to things like playing cards, and the EvE novel. Where is the value in committing resources (financial and otherwise) to catering to niche player base? Personally i can think of many other areas of eve that would benefit from some love. How may of you are into this kind of thing? WhiteWolf is way more than a CCG company. In fact, the CCG stuff is minimal to their market share. Their big products come from their World of Darkness role playing games. Think modern times, with a bleak outlook, where vampires and werewolves are real and fight behind the scenes. It's pretty cool stuff if you're into pen and paper RPGs, though honestly I find the original offerings to be preferable to the newer stuff. Something that I have always liked about WhiteWolf's materials is the quality of the writing and the depth of their fiction. There is a lot of fantastic stuff there. They also push 'role playing' over 'roll playing', something many other PnP RPGs fail to do on an epic scale (I'm looking at you, AD&D). I'm not really interested in the Eve novel - Eve's fiction just doesn't do much for me. Not a slam to the Eve RPers, by the way. It just isn't my thing. I'm sure that the novel is well written, though. WW's writing has always been top notch. WhiteWolf was involved in a video game based on their Werewolf: The Apocalypse franchise about, oh... Seven or eight years ago? I believe the working title was "Werewolf: Tears of Gaia". For the time, the graphics were outstanding, the game play looked great, and it had some great technology. But, the company working on the game was bought out just a few months before release and the whole project was scrapped. I was totally bummed. They also have a Diablo-like game based on their Vampire: The Masquerade franchise, though I forget the name. It was a good game. The voice acting and plot was involving and, the best part, it came with a full map editor and multi-player support and a 'GM Mode' so that a group of people could have an RP session using the game engine. It was pretty innovative for its time, blew away anything Baulder's Gate or NWN could do. Anyways, I am pretty happy that CCP and WW are working together on a new game. Expect the end result to be of the highest quality.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.08.05 05:56:00 - [12] Would WoD be more of your typical RPG where combat is the main focus, or would there be other forms of combat (such as marketing in EVE), where you have this cold war-esque between werewolves and vampires? But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.05 06:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Vasili vonHolst Where is the value in committing resources (financial and otherwise) to catering to niche player base? Personally i can think of many other areas of eve that would benefit from some love. Umm Eve is not strapped for cash its strapped for code. Bit of a difference there. I'm sure CCP could buy the supercomputer to run the new Eve cluster on right this minute and not even break a sweat on the bottom line. However writing all the new code to put on the new supercomputer isn't going to get sped up by tossing moar money or moar programmers who have to be brought up to speed at it. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Darkwolf Caldari The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.08.05 06:22:00 - [14] Originally by: Spaztick Would WoD be more of your typical RPG where combat is the main focus, or would there be other forms of combat (such as marketing in EVE), where you have this cold war-esque between werewolves and vampires? I've played an awful lot of WoD, and it's not combat focused unless you want it to be... That's the beauty of tabletop (or loungeroom) RPGs.
Reven Darklight 256 FREELANCERS FREELANCER ALLIANCE	Posted - 2008.08.05 06:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Andrea Griffin Originally by: Vasili vonHolst I am curios roughly what percentage of eve players pay any attention to things like playing cards, and the EvE novel. Where is the value in committing resources (financial and otherwise) to catering to niche player base? Personally i can think of many other areas of eve that would benefit from some love. How may of you are into this kind of thing? WhiteWolf is way more than a CCG company. In fact, the CCG stuff is minimal to their market share. Their big products come from their World of Darkness role playing games. Think modern times, with a bleak outlook, where vampires and werewolves are real and fight behind the scenes. It's pretty cool stuff if you're into pen and paper RPGs, though honestly I find the original offerings to be preferable to the newer stuff. Something that I have always liked about WhiteWolf's materials is the quality of the writing and the depth of their fiction. There is a lot of fantastic stuff there. They also push 'role playing' over 'roll playing', something many other PnP RPGs fail to do on an epic scale (I'm looking at you, AD&D). I'm not really interested in the Eve novel - Eve's fiction just doesn't do much for me. Not a slam to the Eve RPers, by the way. It just isn't my thing. I'm sure that the novel is well written, though. WW's writing has always been top notch. WhiteWolf was involved in a video game based on their Werewolf: The Apocalypse franchise about, oh... Seven or eight years ago? I believe the working title was "Werewolf: Tears of Gaia". For the time, the graphics were outstanding, the game play looked great, and it had some great technology. But, the company working on the game was bought out just a few months before release and the whole project was scrapped. I was totally bummed. They also have a Diablo-like game based on their Vampire: The Masquerade franchise, though I forget the name. It was a good game. The voice acting and plot was involving and, the best part, it came with a full map editor and multi-player support and a 'GM Mode' so that a group of people could have an RP session using the game engine. It was pretty innovative for its time, blew away anything Baulder's Gate or NWN could do. Anyways, I am pretty happy that CCP and WW are working together on a new game. Expect the end result to be of the highest quality. yes, yes and more yes. WW has a history in pen and paper games way before CCGs, and i think the MERGER between the two companies is a very sound move. Either of them can stand alone but merging their respective specialties they can do something really interesting. CCP brings 5 years of experience running a MMO which is a bleak, dark and dangerous world and WW has had years, decades of experience writing about a bleak, dark and dangerous world. I think that a game produced from these 2 companies will be awesome and i really can't wait to see how it would go. BTW the games were Vampire: The Masquerade Vampire: Bloodlies Malkavians are the coolest
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.05 07:42:00 - [16] I can only assume that the OP doesn't know what White Wolf is and what they've done over the last two decades. Suffice to say: ≡v≡ is niche; White Wolf's line of products is not. …heck, they even squeezed a Fox TV series out of their IP (never mind that it was crap and didn't last long).
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.05 07:46:00 - [17] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 05/08/2008 07:45:43 Originally by: Vasili vonHolst Where is the value in committing resources (financial and otherwise) to catering to niche player base? if everyone thought like that we'd all be playing WoW ...
Robert Rosenberg Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.05 07:46:00 - [18] Lol Whitewolf is a decades rich company that produces tabletop RPG's that are one of the "big three", D&D, Shadowrun, and World of Darkness. They have sold multitudes more books than EVE has subscribers. Telling CCP that they should stop production on products related to a HUGE cash cow PnP franchise is pretty stupid.
Alexandra Silverscream	Posted - 2008.08.05 08:02:00 - [19] I dare say that White Wolf caters to a lot more customers then Eve does. Their World of Darkness line and their Exalted line are right behind D&d as the biggest pen and paper RPGs in the world. We are not talking a mere 100K customers here, but possible millions. Eve is the niche market here, not White Wolf's products.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.05 08:10:00 - [20] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 04/08/2008 23:03:11 I was interested in Vampire: TM way before Eve even came out. But, I don't even understand this thread. Except, I think this guy has some curios for us? yes. we demand more curios. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.05 08:17:00 - [21] Originally by: Alexandra Silverscream I dare say that White Wolf caters to a lot more customers then Eve does. Their World of Darkness line and their Exalted line are right behind D&d as the biggest pen and paper RPGs in the world. We are not talking a mere 100K customers here, but possible millions. Eve is the niche market here, not White Wolf's products. The real question is, how well will it translate into the computer gaming world. Arguably, the WoD IP is far larger than the Warcraft one – or at least it was before WoW came along – so if it had the same kind of follower pickup, it could become the next MMO. However, in that regard, it's worth considering how well (or not so well) D&D-O did even with the most well-known RPG IP evar(!1!) backing it: a WoD MMO will face much the same challenges in terms of translating a hugely popular pen-and-paper experience into a computer game… I'd venture to guess that it'll be even harder for WoD, since those games were always about storytelling, and the mechanics took a backseat to the point of being completely irrelevant. In that regard, D&D was probably a far easier translation, since it was a very twink-friendly and stats-heavy system already in it's p'n'p form. If the WoD MMO becomes a monster-bashing, instanced-mission, clickfest rather than a game about politics, intrigue and nibbling on busty women (), then almost all the value of that IP is instantly lost.
Kil'Roy Minmatar The Rat Patrol	Posted - 2008.08.05 08:49:00 - [22] The OP has my vote for Mr Clueless for the week.
Alexandra Silverscream	Posted - 2008.08.05 09:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Tippia If the WoD MMO becomes a monster-bashing, instanced-mission, clickfest rather than a game about politics, intrigue and nibbling on busty women (), then almost all the value of that IP is instantly lost. This is the crux of the matter. What makes Eve so great is that there is room for politics, intrigue and actually controlling parts of the in game environment (we just need busty women to nibble on). This is what is sorely lacking in any other MMO and an absolute must for anything WoD related. It'll be very hard to pull off well. If we will have a WoD MMO and we aren't able to become the next Prince of the city and dictate law for the other players and NPCs out there, it will loose appeal for a lot of WoD enthusiasts very quickly. But if anyone can pull it off it is CCP in tandem with White Wolf. At the moment I am somewhat sceptical if it can be pulled off properly, but I still look forward to seeing the design of the coming WoD MMO. I hope to be blown away.
GallenteCitizen20080615 Gallente Federation War News	Posted - 2008.08.05 09:12:00 - [24] actually i have the card game...and you know what it pretty good...it either that of magic or some crappy pokamonster thing or what ever it called, i play with my IRL friends with it when they get to that time when there bored of eve in game so they like making delve and pretending to be bob Quote: down near the station bio mass plant you can buy burgers that are 5% pork and 95% CRAP
Jaratsri	Posted - 2008.08.05 09:52:00 - [25] Well I have a Gangrel Wolf head tattooed on my right arm (for you who donÆt know what I am talking about that means I am a big WW fanboi) and I am really looking forward to what might come out of CCP and WW. WoD-O if done right might just be more then sweet to play around in, but at the same time there is much that can go wrong with it at the same time, kinda like the TV series Kindred based on WW story about the vampires, that was just horrible. The EVE novel, I have it and have read it, awesome book. The card game. hmm, never had a look at it, but I guess some like it so thatÆs all good.
Flesh Eater	Posted - 2008.08.05 11:51:00 - [26] Didn't you mean to say "Epic FAILURE"?
Sky Grunthor Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.05 13:20:00 - [27] Originally by: Tippia I can only assume that the OP doesn't know what White Wolf is and what they've done over the last two decades. Suffice to say: ≡v≡ is niche; White Wolf's line of products is not. àheck, they even squeezed a Fox TV series out of their IP (never mind that it was crap and didn't last long). what was the series? Search: Sky Grunthor
Dihania Gallente SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.08.05 13:24:00 - [28] yet another fail thread. please give more thought before posting. novel.. had lots of threads going. card game.. checking the forums shows players into it. ambulation.. the same, people want it or some thing like that. [hrhr] Sniggwaffe is recruiting. Visit channel "join sniggwaffe" in game.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.05 13:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Sky Grunthor what was the series? Kindred: The Embraced
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.05 14:14:00 - [30] Someone didn't get the oversounding 'negative' that they were hoping for. By the way, considering that EvE is a MMO RPG, with especial significance one the 'roleplaying' aspect, you might not have as many people against such things as you would like. Not a lot of gamers roleplay anymore, it's true. They use EvE like a counterstrike-in-space game. As long as they have fun, that's great. And not every roleplayer enjoys 'LARP'. But there is a classic and fun edge to gaming, and EvE caters to a huge playerbase because of it's ever arching and always updating storyline and possibilities. Sorry we didn't reaffirm your mental image of your own popularity. "The greatest offense is no defense."
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.05 14:21:00 - [31] Edited by: Tippia on 05/08/2008 14:24:31
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.05 14:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Vasili vonHolst This post was about eve, not some new joint development project. Well then – lesson for the next time: pick a relevant title for your post. Quote: In my experience the players that are very active within the actual game experience (with the exception of Rpers and basement dwellers) could care less about things like novels and cards. Yes. If you're very much into a game, chances are you're also into all the paraphernalia surrounding it, so I suppose those active players would care quite a lot about those things… …or did you mean to say "couldn't care less"?
Alexandra Silverscream	Posted - 2008.08.05 14:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Vasili vonHolst Posting in the forums (where the RPers, and the super-bored thrive) was probably not the wisest place to ask about this. Well, it depends on what your objectives are, really. Also, you are posting here and i am assuming you are neither. As for RPers. I am an RPer, but I have zero RP in Eve. You can be one and not participate in it in this specific game. Originally by: Vasili vonHolst In my experience the players that are very active within the actual game experience (with the exception of Rpers and basement dwellers) could care less about things like novels and cards. I have the opposite experience, really. Things like a back story are extremely important for the overall user experience and atmosphere of the game. Even though you might have never read any of the back story, a lot of players that you interact with have read it and their actions have a profound effect on your own game play. In fact, a good story is absolutely vital for any game, even something like Counterstrike has some form of story behind it and it would have completely failed to become as big as it has become without it. Originally by: Vasili vonHolst This post was about eve, not some new joint development project. Your post was about White Wolf and White Wolf has very little to do with Eve. Only recently they have been involved with Eve as a product and (although I have no way to verify this) I am pretty sure that White Wolf spends only a minimum amount of time and resources on Eve as they are still focusing on their own products (they churn out an enormous amount of books and other products every year).
Jaratsri	Posted - 2008.08.05 14:47:00 - [34] Well for some, and I guess "some" are quite a few, EVE is a hobby, a hobby even worth enough to fly to island for. To spend time and effort into a game, be it to build a empire in a space game, have your friends online and just have a laugh, run around and blow up as many CNR's as possible (yes I liked your vid) Everyone takes different to EVE and having a card game, novel, art book, star map or a shot glass with EVE on it just expands your hobby and builds up outside the online aspect, why should CCP not do this, more faithful fans in EVE = more iskies for CCP
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.08.05 14:56:00 - [35] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Vasili vonHolst This post was about eve, not some new joint development project. Well then û lesson for the next time: pick a relevant title for your post. Quote: In my experience the players that are very active within the actual game experience (with the exception of Rpers and basement dwellers) could care less about things like novels and cards. Yes. If you're very much into a game, chances are you're also into all the paraphernalia surrounding it, so I suppose those active players would care quite a lot about those thingsà àor did you mean to say "couldn't care less"? No. Perhaps they could care even less... That would require the release of a cool new product. Perhaps you would enjoy some... EvE pogs!!! --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community--->LOL Pic: Mitnal R4pes!
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.05 14:57:00 - [36] Originally by: Ruze Isn't all of EvE a niche playerbase? And they are a company, who is going to spend it's assets how it see's fit. The 'White Wolf' deal allows CCP to focus on other genres, even other MMO's, so that they might one day expand beyond producing a top-rate product and various side products to one of the most ungrateful audiences in the industry. But yeah, if CCP didn't commit resources to a niche player base, EvE wouldn't be here. And I don't think there's any logical reason that CCP shouldn't spend ITS money and ITS resources catering to as many niche audiences as it wishes. Stepping off the pedestal for a moment, I don't buy their playing cards and whatnot. Maybe if they sold some figurines of eve ships, I might collect a few. And I've thought about wearing a t-shirt or two. To me, though, it's interesting to see them market the same product to so many different individuals, while not 'selling out', so to speak. A comparison would be Blizzard and WoW. There is Warcraft stuff everywhere. I have no interest in any of it. But for some reason, what Blizzard sells feels cheap and exploited, to me, and what CCP produces feels top quality and in keeping with how good their game is. Just my impression. This...oh, this, this, this FTW. CCP SHOULD be spending their resources finding new ways to spread the Eve meme everywhere they can. If they did it in some cheap, consumerist way, then I might not be so hip to it. But every single thing I've purchased from CCP, or that's Eve related, has been of the most excellent quality (the Eve art book, EON mag, the game itself, etc.). I'm simply blown away by the absolute commitment to quality these guys have. I think their acquisition of White Wolf was a very smart one and it will lead to bigger and better things for Eve and for CCP as a company. I mean look at Ambulation; I bet that wouldn't have been a reality as soon as it will be if it weren't for their work with White Wolf's WOD. CCP is by far one of the most intelligent and strategically smart development/publishing houses I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. May they live long and prosper (and teach other development houses how to play smart!). Oh, and yeah, they have incredibly thick skin to be able to handle the CONSTANT criticism from a vocal minority of their player base. Ungrateful indeed.
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:04:00 - [37] Oh, and I too would be the first in line if CCP produced quality models of the Eve ships. But ONLY if they were up to the quality of everything else CCP has done; but I have no doubt they would be. I wonder what ever happened with that. I was reading the first issue of EON last night and there was a little article in there about CCP having ship models in the works.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:07:00 - [38] "Epic Fail" is this Geek speak or what ? I read this before on the wow forums i think, but what ever it means its shouldnt be allowed, learn english and stop posting terrible things like "Epic Fail"
Flesh Eater	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:11:00 - [39] Yeah....who in their right mind sees people saying "you are fail" etc and thinks it so cool that they start using it themselves. Keep the noob-speak in WoW and out of Eve please.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:12:00 - [40] I would love some Eve Pogs. Anyway, I think the WoD MMO has the potential to translate really well, and given the world it is, I have the most faith in CCP for this one. And the game that wasn't bloodlines was Vampire: The Masquerade - Redemption, which was more of the Diablo style, and was utterly awful, yet I soldiered on through it anyway. I just wanna know two things, is the MMO gonna be the new WoD, and which will be the focus, Mage, Werewolf, Vampire? Or what are we going to be looking at? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:13:00 - [41] Originally by: Flesh Eater Yeah....who in their right mind sees people saying "you are fail" etc and thinks it so cool that they start using it themselves. Keep the noob-speak in WoW and out of Eve please. You both fail! --->Movie: + Trillion damage to CareBear community--->LOL Pic: Mitnal R4pes!
Flesh Eater	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:16:00 - [42] Originally by: Vasili vonHolst Originally by: Flesh Eater Yeah....who in their right mind sees people saying "you are fail" etc and thinks it so cool that they start using it themselves. Keep the noob-speak in WoW and out of Eve please. You both fail! Wow you finally figured out how to use the word properly. What next, spamming Chuck Norris jokes?
Svedge Minmatar White Wolf Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:25:00 - [43] Edited by: Svedge on 05/08/2008 15:25:44 Originally by: Alexandra Silverscream Your post was about White Wolf and White Wolf has very little to do with Eve. Only recently they have been involved with Eve as a product and (although I have no way to verify this) I am pretty sure that White Wolf spends only a minimum amount of time and resources on Eve as they are still focusing on their own products (they churn out an enormous amount of books and other products every year). White Wolf Enterprises FTW! ;P
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.05 15:33:00 - [44] Edited by: Akita T on 05/08/2008 15:33:19 Originally by: Flesh Eater What next, spamming Chuck Norris jokes? If a woodchuck could chuck wood, how many woodchucks would Chuck Norris nunchuck to save the rainforest ? _ THE APPRENTICE \|\| mineral balance \|\| nanofix
Kateryne Minmatar Children Of Matar	Posted - 2008.08.05 16:18:00 - [45] For a start, CCP and White Wolf have merged. Nobody has bought anyone else out, and nobody is in control of the other. They are working on joint efforts in the form of the Ambulation (and i'm hoping some plot) for Eve and the upcoming WoD mmorpg.
tyroney	Posted - 2008.08.05 16:25:00 - [46] I was totally bummed. I quit for a few months, and now they're out of those Minmatar keychains. If they have some books at PAX this year, I'll probably buy one. I've enjoyed the short stories on the site, and I like the EVE universe. Hopefully they'll keep up all that kind of stuff.
Jenna Shame	Posted - 2008.08.05 16:45:00 - [47] I for one can't wait for our 'Laggy Vampires in Outer Space' new MMO from White Wolf and CCP.
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Kateryne For a start, CCP and White Wolf have merged. Nobody has bought anyone else out, and nobody is in control of the other. They are working on joint efforts in the form of the Ambulation (and i'm hoping some plot) for Eve and the upcoming WoD mmorpg. Actually, here is how it will work: "The combined company will continue to operate under their respective names. White Wolf will be operated as a wholly-owned subsidiary of CCP. Hilmar Petursson, Chief Executive Officer of CCP, will be CEO of the combined company. Mike Tinney, President of White Wolf, will continue as President of the independent subsidiary. Further, White Wolf will continue development and enhancement of their entire portfolio of gaming products." So yes, after the merger, CCP will technically "own" White Wolf.
Rocinantae Caldari Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:12:00 - [49] Still waiting for the Eve miniature game.
Xiang Jiao	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:15:00 - [50] I, for one, would love to see a White Wolf MMORPG. I would rather it be Exalted than World of Darkness since I just started table-topping Exalted again. I think the whole concept of factional warfare would lend itself well to a persistent story of Creation and the Wyld. There are certain aspects of the game that seem impossible to have in an MMO. Like, how could you use most of the Social, Presence, and Performance charms on other players to influence them? Also, having a twinked character out of the box is a pretty foreign concept to MMOs. Most Exalted characters start off extremely powerful. Balancing would be very difficult. That said, maybe WoD would be a better choice, but Exalted is my favorite by far!
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.05 17:25:00 - [51] …also, gimme Ars Magica MMO nao!!1one (Never mind that WW doesn't own the property any more)
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:15:00 - [52] Original poster = Epic fail. Apparently a lot of people care about the novel. All the people who, y'know, actually realize that Eve has a setting and a backstory intersected with the group of people who read books. Also, you have no clue how things work.
Intigo Amarr Art of War	Posted - 2008.08.05 18:44:00 - [53] Vasili looking like an ass. Shocker. ___________________ A-WAR, much love. <3
Biolaja Tista Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:15:00 - [54] Originally by: Spaztick Would WoD be more of your typical RPG where combat is the main focus, or would there be other forms of combat (such as marketing in EVE), where you have this cold war-esque between werewolves and vampires? It would have politics. And vampires and werewolves are actually best of friends. Originally by: Jenna Shame I for one can't wait for our 'Laggy Vampires in Outer Space' new MMO from White Wolf and CCP. It takes place in a gothic version of the modern day. It is also populated by a few vampires, werewolves, fairies, and alien-worshiping cultists.
Tao Han Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:47:00 - [55] Originally by: Rocinantae Still waiting for the Eve miniature game. Once CCP buys Games-Workshop...
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:52:00 - [56] Originally by: Biolaja Tista It takes place in a gothic version of the modern day. It is also populated by a few vampires, werewolves, fairies, and alien-worshiping cultists. …so it's pretty realistic, apart from the whole bit about only have "a few" alien-worshipping cultists.
Meridius Dex Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.05 19:53:00 - [57] Just posting in this thread to say I was among those first to purchase a White Wolf product, sometime back in the very early 90s when they published one of the best RPGs of all time, Ars Magica. Long before collectible card games and world domination, that original book was a simple black cover with a crudely hand-drawn red logo. Great game, best magic system ever. How far they have come. So a WW MMO would be cool, but I guess I'm the only one that would prefer an Ars Magica MMO than a WoD one (although I'm also excited about a WoD MMO and will certainly play when it comes out). -- Meridius Dex -- Amarr = EVE on Hard setting
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.05 20:01:00 - [58] Originally by: Meridius Dex So a WW MMO would be cool, but I guess I'm the only one that would prefer an Ars Magica MMO than a WoD one …read six posts above yours.
MarketDarkWing Amarr DarkWing Enterprises	Posted - 2008.08.05 20:05:00 - [59] Edited by: MarketDarkWing on 05/08/2008 20:06:17 lol this ^
Rocinantae Caldari Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.08.10 17:17:00 - [60] Originally by: Tao Han Originally by: Rocinantae Still waiting for the Eve miniature game. Once CCP buys Games-Workshop... Thinking more like this. Axis and Allies
Aya Otosaki Titan Indurstrial	Posted - 2008.08.10 17:28:00 - [61] Edited by: Aya Otosaki on 10/08/2008 17:29:35 Originally by: Kateryne For a start, CCP and White Wolf have merged. Nobody has bought anyone else out, and nobody is in control of the other. They are working on joint efforts in the form of the Ambulation (and i'm hoping some plot) for Eve and the upcoming WoD mmorpg. it was a merger in name only, for anybody in the know its ccp that runs the show. //quick edit. uch vampires. ----- Ignorance is my strength.
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.10 17:36:00 - [62] Originally by: Aya Otosaki uch vampires. Om nom nom nom… …and depending on whether they make a Vampire MMO or a full-on WoD MMO, it may also include the whole gamut of werewolves, mages, fµries, and godknowswhat…
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.10 17:44:00 - [63] Oooooh...an Eve tabletop game would be exciting indeed!

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