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Mattadore
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:00:00 -
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Your killmail links are from 2007 and bugged.
Nevermind they work now wtf. |
BolsterBomb
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
27
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:07:00 -
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xxREDNUTTERxx wrote:......
also there is a JUMP freighter in there, I'd like ecplain that at no point are these ships pointed....... meaning if the pilot is there he can jump out at any time. ( if he lost that JF while afk in lowsec or null he would be considered an absolute idiot, why should hi sec be diferrent, you should NEVER be able to sit 8 bil of isk and walk away) .
QFT this is why it should stay. I was scanning ships last night and could not believe the auto piloting morons out there carrying the stuff they are.
I saw at least 3 freighters carrying 3-5b in goods just autopiloting. Lt. Colonel of The Caldari State
Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation |
Brita
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:13:00 -
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bumping is still stupid and should have been fixed 7 years ago.
they could easily create some code to prevent it and to prevent evading concord if they wanted too.
maybe make bumping a criminal act and make you flashy red for anyone in local or in gang....
that could be entertaining too.
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
461
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:13:00 -
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We adjusted the wording slightly to make it less ambiguous. See the full text here:
http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972&tid=1
I also have to restate that we value the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. Also avoiding CONCORD in any way is simply not allowed, attempts to find loopholes in the wording will not fly. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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Broxdude1
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:14:00 -
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Tornados eh? OHH boy. Heh |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2020
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:15:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:We adjusted the wording slightly to make it less ambiguous. See the full text here: http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972&tid=1I also have to restate that we value the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. Also avoiding CONCORD in any way is simply not allowed, attempts to find loopholes in the wording will not fly.
But finding the loopholes took time and effort and other people are too spacerich. Surely those are good enough reasons to continue exploiting? |
Commander Lojak
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:23:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:We adjusted the wording slightly to make it less ambiguous. See the full text here: http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972&tid=1I also have to restate that we value the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. Also avoiding CONCORD in any way is simply not allowed, attempts to find loopholes in the wording will not fly.
Just saying, but maybe before knee jerk reactions and news releases, you should take some time and consider your response, and proof read it. People should be playing to the letter of the law, not the spirit. People should be exploring this game, expanding, creating new methods, new ideas. Your job as game masters is to say yes or no in unambiguous terms.
LETTER OF THE LAW, NO LAZY, HALF ASS, ILL-CONSIDERED, IRRISPONSIBLE "spirit of the law" BullS**t.
YES OR NO
NOT MAYBE |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
943
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:34:00 -
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So that means if you stay on grid it's perfectly legal.
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
27
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:38:00 -
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there's a difference between emergent behavior and exploiting.
the line is thin, but in the end it's the owner of the game that has the final word on that.
we would have adapted to a different ruling, a lot of our pilot might have stoped and our price rised, but we would have accepted or left.
if you don't agree with a game ruling, just stop playing the game, money is your only power, as we've seen last year!
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Ophelia Ursus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:38:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:So that means if you stay on grid it's perfectly legal.
Quote:GÇÿIf you gain a Global Criminal Countdown by committing an illegal action in high security space, it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid, or warp within the same grid, where you gained that GCC; even if you later return to that grid while still affected by that GCC. |
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Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
27
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:39:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:So that means if you stay on grid it's perfectly legal.
yes but you can't warp to evade concord. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
943
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:42:00 -
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Ophelia Ursus wrote:Ammzi wrote:So that means if you stay on grid it's perfectly legal. Quote:GÇÿIf you gain a Global Criminal Countdown by committing an illegal action in high security space, it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid, or warp within the same grid, where you gained that GCC; even if you later return to that grid while still affected by that GCC.
Strange the news article is worded differently:
Quote: GÇÿIf you gain a Global Criminal Countdown by committing an illegal action in high security space, it is considered an exploit to attack a target after you warp away from the grid where you gained that GCC, even if you later return to that grid while still affected by that GCC.
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Ophelia Ursus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:44:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Strange the news article is worded differently: It got updated: http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972&tid=1 |
Lady Mariko
Jigoku's Atomic Pimpz
5
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:45:00 -
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Why is this game so suck now? I just get the alt account to use for ganking. Now so many new rules stop the ganking. Think about quit. Would not waste money on new character if I know 2 days later new rules of play. Sucks. CCP sucks for making game so stupid. I think my head explodes now! Ka-booom!!!! |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
276
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:46:00 -
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Regardless, Concord can still be lured away using the tried, tested, and effective method known to many as shown below.
1. Orca Alt warps to safespot and dumps fully-fitted gank ships into space. 2. -10 ganker hops into one of the ships and warps out to bookmarked target. 3. -10 ganker kills target and loses his ship to Concord. 4. -10 ganker warps back. 5. Repeat from step 2.
As soon as you board a ship with a GCC, Concord will move away from the belt to chase you in your safespot. When they see that you left the safespot they will warp again and chase you down.
But I have a very important question to the GM:
Based on the wording of the community bulletin, does this mean that it's perfectly ok to do the steps I mentioned above because the GCC was acquired in that once specific grid on the belt? Either way, Concord will chase the gank as soon as a ship is boarded in space. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Dead Loss
Sweet Capsuleer Tears
7
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:57:00 -
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I can't wrap my head around the fact that trying to evade Concord is an exploit.
Concord represents the justice in the game and a lot of players aim at avoiding justice because they are criminals (pirates etc).
So how is that helping the sandbox concept ?
Maybe it's time for CCP to make a public announcement on the fact that they have renounced to the sandbox concept and that due to their recent corporate friending with other video games companies they need to turn this game into a player-safe environment.
Maybe it would be better for a lot of players if you were upstraight honest for once. |
54a
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:02:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:CCP DEV #1 - "How do we encourage more PVP in nulsec and losec?" CCP DEV #2 - "By removing it from hisec" CCP DEV #1 - "Brilliant!"
If shooting an afk freighter with a boomerang tornado is your idea of PVP that is pretty sad tbh....
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
892
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:02:00 -
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i dunno, maybe CCP should fix concord instead of whining at players who know how to 'beat the game'
54a wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:CCP DEV #1 - "How do we encourage more PVP in nulsec and losec?" CCP DEV #2 - "By removing it from hisec" CCP DEV #1 - "Brilliant!" If shooting an afk freighter with a boomerang tornado is your idea of PVP that is pretty sad tbh.... Its not, i was just injecting some topical humor on the general theme of CCP intervention in hisec since INFERNO was announced My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Tarsas Phage
Pain Delivery.
73
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:10:00 -
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54a wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:CCP DEV #1 - "How do we encourage more PVP in nulsec and losec?" CCP DEV #2 - "By removing it from hisec" CCP DEV #1 - "Brilliant!" If shooting an afk freighter with a boomerang tornado is your idea of PVP that is pretty sad tbh....
Get off the worn out "what is real pvp" high horse. I swear, it's the equivalent of of being a dull-brained knuckledragger and spouting "no u!" when trying to formulate a comeback to something said.
It does not matter where you are in Eve - your ship is vulnerable when in space. PERIOD. Boomeranging a freighter certainly takes far more piloting skill and a perfect sense of timing than autopiloting your spacecows day in and day out. I swear, Jin Fel is a bot if you ask me. |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:16:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:We adjusted the wording slightly to make it less ambiguous. See the full text here: http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972&tid=1I also have to restate that we value the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. Also avoiding CONCORD in any way is simply not allowed, attempts to find loopholes in the wording will not fly.
That is bs tbh. As long as in die in the end there is no exploit. Concords job is to kill u in the end if u warp and kill others its ok as long as u die in the end. if u want to change concords job thats up to up. Dont pretend it was its job all along and we are doing something out of the rules. Can we target and kill other targets on same grid with no warping? Is concords job now to makesure u stay in the same place and only kill 1 target per gank. Im sure i heard concords job was to kill your ship if u gank to provide consequences not to makesure u die on grid or before u kill someone else. |
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54a
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:17:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:54a wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:CCP DEV #1 - "How do we encourage more PVP in nulsec and losec?" CCP DEV #2 - "By removing it from hisec" CCP DEV #1 - "Brilliant!" If shooting an afk freighter with a boomerang tornado is your idea of PVP that is pretty sad tbh.... Get off the worn out "what is real pvp" high horse. I swear, it's the equivalent of of being a dull-brained knuckledragger and spouting "no u!" when trying to formulate a comeback to something said. It does not matter where you are in Eve - your ship is vulnerable when in space. PERIOD. Boomeranging a freighter certainly takes far more piloting skill and a perfect sense of timing than autopiloting your spacecows day in and day out. I swear, Jin Fel is a bot if you ask me.
All I have to say to you is ..... of of
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Tarsas Phage
Pain Delivery.
73
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:21:00 -
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54a wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote:54a wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:CCP DEV #1 - "How do we encourage more PVP in nulsec and losec?" CCP DEV #2 - "By removing it from hisec" CCP DEV #1 - "Brilliant!" If shooting an afk freighter with a boomerang tornado is your idea of PVP that is pretty sad tbh.... Get off the worn out "what is real pvp" high horse. I swear, it's the equivalent of of being a dull-brained knuckledragger and spouting "no u!" when trying to formulate a comeback to something said. It does not matter where you are in Eve - your ship is vulnerable when in space. PERIOD. Boomeranging a freighter certainly takes far more piloting skill and a perfect sense of timing than autopiloting your spacecows day in and day out. I swear, Jin Fel is a bot if you ask me. All I have to say to you is ..... of of
Could you please make even less sense? |
Liiza Valora
the united Negative Ten.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:28:00 -
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Dead Loss wrote:I can't wrap my head around the fact that trying to evade Concord is an exploit.
Concord represents the justice in the game and a lot of players aim at avoiding justice because they are criminals (pirates etc).
So how is that helping the sandbox concept ?
Maybe it's time for CCP to make a public announcement on the fact that they have renounced to the sandbox concept and that due to their recent corporate friending with other video games companies they need to turn this game into a player-safe environment.
Maybe it would be better for a lot of players if you were upstraight honest for once.
LOLz, are you just realizing now at this moment that CCP has left the sandbox concept behind? CCP left the sandbox YEARS ago. The game we play Jumped the shark the moment CCP turned from its player base and sold the sand right out of the box. Your playing World of Fail-craft in space mate. If you think it's bad now wait until FAIL-514 hits. EVE is nearly dead and has been dying a slow death for years. The sky is failing. Yes it is.
How can we fix it you ask? Its simple don't re-sub. Money is what talks in the world today, not common sense. CCP already lost 20% of their player base over incarna. I think they want to self-destruct.
CCP why don't you do this. Double shard the server and run a full on open ended PvP sandbox and a full on protected PvE server. Its in my opinion the only way your game is going to survive another 6 months.
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Aebe Amraen
Logolepsy
7
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:42:00 -
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I'm not a pirate or a ganker (I did steal some plagioclase from a jetcanning miner once, just for kicks). I pointed out the obvious loophole in the official GM ruling because it was so shockingly clear that the GMs hadn't even read the original explanation of the boomerang, in which the inventor of the maneuver was warping back and forth from one end of a belt to another (i.e., on one grid).
I was awed when I read the original post about the boomerang maneuver. This sort of creative use of game mechanics is exactly the sort of thing that I love about sandbox games. I am very disappointed in CCP's response.
Kill the sandbox, CCP. Just kill it. My sub runs out in about two weeks and I'm not sure I want to extend it at this point. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
893
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:42:00 -
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Liiza Valora wrote:CCP already lost 20% of their player base over incarna. I think they want to self-destruct. I too can pluck random numbers from my butt
38 My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Takoten Yaken
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:45:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Aebe Amraen wrote:Indeed. According to the ruling, the boomerang maneuver is still legal as long as you stay on grid. Pirates rejoice! Take advantage of this GM oversight as much as possible before CCP notices the loophole. We are looking into how far this can be stretched. Even if you think you have found a loop hole, do not use it without asking a GM for clarification. Doing so anyway could still result in repercussions. you're the least fun people ever |
Pamela Podpopper
University of Caille Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:45:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:We adjusted the wording slightly to make it less ambiguous. See the full text here: http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972&tid=1I also have to restate that we value the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. Also avoiding CONCORD in any way is simply not allowed, attempts to find loopholes in the wording will not fly.
When will the patch be released where every possible item in highsec is wrapped in bubble wrap and passive 'Total Invulnerability' bots that protect every ship in Empire space?
CCP... yusomadbro?
Why dont you get off your fat derrieres and do something about bots, or something instead of coddling these pathetic bears?
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
479
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:55:00 -
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Pamela Podpopper wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:We adjusted the wording slightly to make it less ambiguous. See the full text here: http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4972&tid=1I also have to restate that we value the spirit of the law over the letter of the law. Also avoiding CONCORD in any way is simply not allowed, attempts to find loopholes in the wording will not fly. When will the patch be released where every possible item in highsec is wrapped in bubble wrap and passive 'Total Invulnerability' bots that protect every ship in Empire space? CCP... yusomadbro? Why dont you get off your fat derrieres and do something about bots, or something instead of coddling these pathetic bears? oh yeah, i forgot... MONEY satisfy the masses, no matter how spineless it makes you look, and the $$$ rolls in. CCP ridin dirty.
Yeah! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMnjF1O4eH0 Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Cold Hand of Shadow
74
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:01:00 -
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Oh come on. You guys honestly thought this wasn't going to get deemed an exploit after the freighter ganks in high sec? There may have been a lot of proposed changes that I've disagreed with or find annoying (to put it lightly) but this one was an obvious incoming, particularly once freighters were getting tag teamed in high sec. AFK freighting or no, that just seemed a little too easy. |
Paul Clancy
Korpu no Byakko Tower of Dark Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:03:00 -
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GM Homonoia, sorry, but I want ask you one thing if you don't mind...
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1563403&page=1#15
- is your answer here about grid foo and other questionable tactics still correct?
Thanks! |
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