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Spectre80 Caldari The Knights Templar Pure.	Posted - 2008.08.07 18:55:00 - [121] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Spectre80 i and to the people who cant cope with it.. well you can just leave. nobody forces you to stay playing. Oh hey, I guess I missed you saying that in all the dozens and dozens of tearful whinethreads where rich players made desperate pleas to be allowed to safely AKF. Got link? hmm. i think i have responded to 3 topics about suicide ganking in my all time in eve. havent started any for sure. so maybe you are confusing me to someone else? i admit i was suicide ganked once when i lived fulltime in hisec. was afk hauling in badger and didnt know about suicide gankings back then. was not huge loss about 500mil i think. taught me not to fly afk with valuables in cargo and to use better ships. tho i learned my lesson i would not want anyone to suffer same or worse loss. and hey people can still do it but with more risk and coordination involved. so just do what people who have lost to suiciders are told when they post about losing stuff. Adapt. that is the word i have seen quite many times on forums but usually it have been said by pirates and griefers. have a nice evening.
DeckardIRL Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.07 18:58:00 - [122] Originally by: SurrenderMonkey This would be true if they had just stripped insurance payouts. But that's not the only thing they did. Thus, it's not true, and you can't very well have a valid point based on an assertion that's entirely false. Faster and more severe concord according to system sec, proportionate sec status hits and no insurance... I am sorry I said the consequences are more severe... I fail to see how my assertion is incorrect?? Deck Whiskey For CAOD at its best
Malcanis We are Legend eXceed.	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:01:00 - [123] Originally by: DeckardIRL Suicide Ganking has not been nerfed... the consequences are now just more severe... stop WHINING... I have seen and been the victim of suicide gankers... its a fair tactic... just because it will not be as profitable... stop whining... another n00b who wants to kill empire n00bs... get to low sec where all the fun is now... Deck By a similar argument, if say... hi sec mission rats had their bounties reduced by 80%, hi sec missioning wouldn't be nerfed, just made less profitable? Right? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:03:00 - [124] Corp Por! -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:03:00 - [125] Originally by: Haradgrim Corp Por! KAL VAS FLAM!
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:03:00 - [126] Originally by: DeckardIRL Originally by: SurrenderMonkey This would be true if they had just stripped insurance payouts. But that's not the only thing they did. Thus, it's not true, and you can't very well have a valid point based on an assertion that's entirely false. Faster and more severe concord according to system sec, proportionate sec status hits and no insurance... I am sorry I said the consequences are more severe... I fail to see how my assertion is incorrect?? Deck ...You've asserted that only the consequences have changed. This is false, because concord response time has been decreased. This is a direct nerf to hi-sec ganking and not merely an alteration of the consequences for doing so. Thus, your statement was false.
SurrenderMonkey	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:04:00 - [127] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: DeckardIRL Suicide Ganking has not been nerfed... the consequences are now just more severe... stop WHINING... I have seen and been the victim of suicide gankers... its a fair tactic... just because it will not be as profitable... stop whining... another n00b who wants to kill empire n00bs... get to low sec where all the fun is now... Deck By a similar argument, if say... hi sec mission rats had their bounties reduced by 80%, hi sec missioning wouldn't be nerfed, just made less profitable? Right? There's that, too.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:06:00 - [128] Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Originally by: Haradgrim Corp Por! KAL VAS FLAM! I knew I never should have tried to make it from Minoc to Vesperr on my own Catskills 4EVA! -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:07:00 - [129] Originally by: Haradgrim Corp Por! Man, my first PvP experience.... I'd just spent like 6 months saving up for chainmail armour (leggings, armour, coif, gloves, and a hemlet), a kite shield, and a decent longsword. I was just north out of Britian (on the way to Cove); and I was at the point that I could kill an Orc* with arrows then swapping to sword/shield; plus a little bit of healing magic. Not even an Orc captain, Orc Mage, or Ettin. Just an orc. So anyway, a mate tells me that he's bought a tower, just on that expanse of ground north of Cove, en-route to Minoc. I decide to expand my comfort zone, head out there (literally a 3 minute walk beyond what I was used to), and see what he'd made. Two minutes into my walk, I get Corp Por *d by guy wearing nothing but a pink jester's cap, and a cape. Absolutely **d. Lost everything. Bastard. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Mazzarins Demise Profit Development and Research Association	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:07:00 - [130] Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 07/08/2008 19:07:04 Originally by: Haradgrim Originally by: Mazzarins Demise Originally by: Haradgrim Corp Por! KAL VAS FLAM! I knew I never should have tried to make it from Minoc to Vesperr on my own Catskills 4EVA! I feared the crossroads the most. Atlantic here! And perhaps Siege sometime in the future.

Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.08.07 19:52:00 - [131] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 07/08/2008 19:09:33 Originally by: Haradgrim Corp Por! Man, my first PvP experience.... I'd just spent like 6 months saving up for chainmail armour (leggings, armour, coif, gloves, and a hemlet), a kite shield, and a decent longsword. I was just north out of Britian (on the way to Cove); and I was at the point that I could kill an Orc* with arrows then swapping to sword/shield; plus a little bit of healing magic. Not even an Orc captain, Orc Mage, or Ettin. Just an orc. So anyway, a mate tells me that he's bought a tower, just on that expanse of ground north of Cove, en-route to Minoc. I decide to expand my comfort zone, head out there (literally a 3 minute walk beyond what I was used to), and see what he'd made. Two minutes into my walk, I get Corp Por *d by guy wearing nothing but a pink jester's cap, and a cape. Absolutely d. Lost everything. Bastard. Edit: Atlantic, then Europa when it opened (a brief one-week stint on Datskills (german one?) when it opened before Europa. Honestly, that sounds like me, my main "Neuromancer" always wore a Pink Jester's hat and a black (the "null" black) cloak with chainmail underneath. Corp Por, Paralyze (I can't remember the power words for lol) and my crossbow of vanquishing were my best friends for the 3 years before they introduced perma-red (and the crossbow nerf) To get back on topic, you've actually hit the nail on the head; what made games like UO, Everquest, and EVE awesome when they first came out was the fact that they were unaplogetically hard, as a lvl 1 newb you'd die a thousand times learning how to play, each time taking a significant penalty. And to be very clear: Grind != Hard, hard = getting OMGWTFPWNBBQ'd by a lvl 1 mob in the newbie area. -- Originally by:** CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.07 20:15:00 - [132] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 07/08/2008 17:29:15 I wish I could find the post where CCP stated they would not compromise Eve's harsh, niche, PvP nature to appease carebears just to become a mainstream also-ran. I know I read it years back, but I just can't locate it. I wish they could find it too. One of the few times Avon and I agree. If CCP want people to move out to low/null-sec space, and stop the high-sec overcrowding. Then this is a very odd way of going about it. The only sane balance I can see to this suicide ganking nerf, is to auto-kick pilots out of the NPC starter corporations after x-hours of gameplay. At least then, pilots can be wardecced rather than suicide ganked. Yeah! I don't understand why people crowd into high-sec anyhow. Don't they know about the awesome low-lag action packed fleet fights that await them in 0.0? Oh, wait... Look, victim and victimizer crowd into empire (both high and low sec) for the same damn reason. It's where they perceive the highest reward for the lowest risk to be. Both types are carebears, tbfh. How is someone who will only shoot at a hauler or NPC setup boat that he knows can't really fight back any less carebear than the guy getting shot at? Kick everyone out of NPC corps whether they want to PvP or not sooo....? There's someone you can be better than? Wow, uber you. If you like to PvP, grow a pair and go shoot at Verone or the Black Rabbits or any of the other bazillion experienced PvPers running around low-sec/null-sec. If you want to whine about not being able to war-dec some group of 6 month olds or gate camp T1 haulers, cool, but man, doing so under the auspices of "defending PvP" just stinks.
Removal Tool Vogon Deconstruction Fleet	Posted - 2008.08.07 23:36:00 - [133] This is what I get for coming to the general forums
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.08 00:21:00 - [134] Originally by: Ruze First, the suicide balance was overdue. It just took out the unending profit of the matter, and people were using disposable alts way too frequently. Second, EvE has been changing since way before that. Give it another year, maybe two, and we'll either be seeing some form of CONCORD intervention in low-sec, or CCP will shard EvE to provide a PvP-free world. The new players who have joined over the past year, especially, have seen no proof outside of the occasional 'suicide grief gank' that EvE is not playable as a PvE only game. Nothing the devs have done has shown them this. And all the players do is act like griefers ... and most pvp players do ... which doesn't talk ANYONE into wanting to PvP. Lag will get worse in mission hubs. NPC corps and single-man corps will see much more use. We'll lose the ability to carry out a wardec in hisec. We'll lose the ability to suicide gank without severe penalization. And the game will continue to split along the Empire line, between the money making area, and the PvP battleground. Everything else will be left to 0.0, where alliances do their own thing. It's coming. It has been coming, and it'll continue. Because players aren't joining EvE to play EvE, they are joining EvE to play only 25% of the game. If this ever happens I hope someone discovers sploitz to get a titan into motsu and nukes it, again and again and again.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.08.08 00:39:00 - [135] Just like I predicted, this entire thread has become something like this: YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN, I'M A TRUE FAN Remember this whenever you whine about a new change: ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.08 00:45:00 - [136] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Just like I predicted, this entire thread has become something like this: YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN, I'M A TRUE FAN Remember this whenever you whine about a new change: Heheheh ... my deal is, I don't think EvE is dying. Quite the contrary, in fact. I just wish it didn't have to change so much to get as popular as it's going to get So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Grath Telkin Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.08 02:01:00 - [137] what the hell is going on with the forums today? Ive seen all kinds of "be aware of feelings", and any other manner of sickening heartfelt emo posts. WTF is going on?
Hungo Minmatar freelancers inc Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.08.08 02:06:00 - [138] Originally by: Arpiter Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp ***** moan, cry gurgle wannabikkit
Jita Jolene	Posted - 2008.08.08 03:00:00 - [139] Edited by: Jita Jolene on 08/08/2008 03:01:22 INVEST NOW! According to a reliable source, Surrendermonkey, haulers and their cargo will be worth more after the suicide ganker patch!!! Buy hauler loads of stuff and stockpile them now while they are CHEAP!
Balrokenx Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.08 03:40:00 - [140] How long till you get to keep your items when you die.... The carebears will just quit any ways once they realise there is no pve content why cater for them in the first place?

ozz gonarun	Posted - 2008.08.08 03:54:00 - [141] I have just started playing about 3 months ago. Since then I have played my part as a mission runner, as most new people must, tried my luck in 0.0, and also tried messing around in low sec. I have in never been the target of a suicide gank, nor found a person that has. That it is done is not a question, or that it is done frequently, I am just saying that it is not common in my experience. As for hte war dec nerf, I don't know enough about, but teh alliance I am in just got war decc'd twice today and I haven't felt any of the pains of that, just the tri dec....but still, I think that the 24hour alert is enough to get you ready. really, I am not carebear or pvper, you just gotta play the game and hope that the devs don't screw it up, and if you don't like it, why play? if you came for part of the game, don't whine about another part that you just now found but you are too scared to do it.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.08.08 07:50:00 - [142] Originally by: northwesten Originally by: Arpiter Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp people like you ruin EVE not nerfing its balancing it! Rebalancing is changing ship specs, the number of times CCP has overhauled basic risk/reward gamedesign is countable on 1 hand (out of my head, wtz (even though most had bms all over the place), introduction of base insurance) . --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Conrad Roentgen Gallente Bat Country Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.08.08 08:33:00 - [143] Originally by: Balrokenx How long till you get to keep your items when you die.... The carebears will just quit any ways once they realise there is no pve content why cater for them in the first place? This statement kind of makes sense. I haven't played Eve too long so I don't really have an opinion but this statement seems right on the money.
UnDeRBaLaNcE dearg doom	Posted - 2008.08.08 08:51:00 - [144] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Sweet Rosella Originally by: Arpiter Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp so true CCP is showing no loyalty to the subscribers that have been playing this game since beta. You've been here since beta? Don't even start to assume you speak for me and what I've been waiting for. I for one welcome the new developments and see them as CCP filling in the gaps and making it a more complete game. Moderators lock on to the OP, he seems to be on a posting spree. I agree i ahve also played since beta and do not agree with the posters op. I think CCP is doing such a great job, i also played Uo for about 8 years. I even continued after main shards to private servers, UO was good. But eve is definitly going in the right direction. I give CCP 100 thumbs up. UO was not as intresting as eve has even been. Eve is superior to UO by far.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.08.08 09:22:00 - [145] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 08/08/2008 09:23:12 Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Lord WarATron Nothing stoping people suicide ganking at all, you can still gank as normal. A mining barge ina belt will still die vs same numbers. I guess all this fuss is over people unwilling to fight with what they cannot afford to lose? As I keep saying, this fuss isn't about the current dev blog, at least for many of us. I see that as a positive change. But it is just one more step in the path of what UO and EQ and SWG (in it's own way) have done. You want more money, you cater to the lowest common denominator. So with other words, the haulers should be screwed and any imbalance should be kept just for the sake of cruelty in it? Dont be ridiculous. What this patch will do is to make the pirates choose: Either to be a pirate or to not be a pirate. You cant be a part time pirate! No criminals can! Also the new publish brings more harshness into the game: removing innsurance from the agressor! Heck, why do you protest?? You get it harsher! The problem seems to be in my eyes: No more easy lulz, kill and money. Get real! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.08.08 10:08:00 - [146] Somebody call the waaaaaahbulance for the socalled "uber PvPers" that actually cant handle eve getting harder and want ti all on easy mode... Go play HelloKittyOnline...kthxbye! -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
SiJira	Posted - 2008.08.17 14:17:00 - [147] the only way you can think this is if you don't fight in 0.0 Trashed sig, Shark was here
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.08.17 14:32:00 - [148] Piracy is really the only playstyle I've seen nerfed consistently during the time I've been playing Eve. Is this bad? Perhaps - piracy is but one of many pvp playstyles, but it's the only one that involves exploiting semi-broken, unfair game mechanics (and then vigorously defending said exploits as being fair and balanced, much like Fox News ) and the only playstyle everyone can point at and agree that it costs CCP money. By introducing FW, and upcoming changes in sov that de-emphasize the blob, they're providing more sanctioned pvp opportunities, which almost by definition decrease the number of people both engaging in piracy (as they may find a sanctioned activity more enjoyable), and targets (who will find some pvp activity they like and pirates generally don't shoot people who might shoot back in some reasonably effective fashion) I think the suicide gank changes are OK. I think they may have went too far with changing CONCORD and sec rating mechanics in the way they're going to (simply removing insurance payouts would have been enough, IMO, but there wouldn't have been any less crying about it). I'm interested in seeing how they can manage to change wardecs without completely killing off empire PvP though. ---
Kleus Flek Hard Corp Carbide and Diamonds Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.17 14:36:00 - [149] This is unfortunate and I'm a little sadder for it. As for the OP and his Ultima Online theory: I pray that CCP learns or already has learned the history of how such a great concept became utter crap. I wish that more focus was put on implementing game mechanics that make the game more dangerous. Not less. Or atleast focus on the broken aspects of Eve.


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