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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:00:00 -
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Nothing stoping people suicide ganking at all, you can still gank as normal. A mining barge ina belt will still die vs same numbers. I guess all this fuss is over people unwilling to fight with what they cannot afford to lose?
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord WarATron
Nothing stoping people suicide ganking at all, you can still gank as normal. A mining barge ina belt will still die vs same numbers. I guess all this fuss is over people unwilling to fight with what they cannot afford to lose?
As I keep saying, this fuss isn't about the current dev blog, at least for many of us. I see that as a positive change.
But it is just one more step in the path of what UO and EQ and SWG (in it's own way) have done. You want more money, you cater to the lowest common denominator.
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:02:00 -
[33]
The future ain't what it used to be.
--Yogi Berra
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Ranger 1
Oh suck it up people.
You either know what you are doing (and will be fine), or you don't (and will give up because the classic empire suicide gank is "too hard" now).
It's amusing actually.
The whine is that EVE is becoming a pink fluffy place with no challenges for the player base.
The truth is that certain types of gameplay just got much more challenging to do successfully.
Anyone else see the irony? 
Nop i canŠt can you elaborate?
Just for you? No, I'm afraid my time is more valuable than that. 
But you can ask most anyone in your alliance that posts intelligently, they would appear to understand the concept already.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:04:00 -
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What amazes me is the fact that year after year CCP keep boosting isk farmers.
Isk farmers make up most of your whiners.. they get ganked int he ice fields and cry foul.
NOW..... ice will drop even more as the farmers farm it more and more with -0- risk.
They had damned near zero risk as it was.
Mission running got even safer...
Hell, they were bringing an alt into the ice fields JUST to get concord in there and sit there all day while they farmed ice and now, concord is buffed even more.
Once again, isk farmers 1, players 0
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:06:00 -
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Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose.
This lesson for GANKER and the VICTIM.
Welcome to eve.
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Nothing stoping people suicide ganking at all, you can still gank as normal. A mining barge ina belt will still die vs same numbers. I guess all this fuss is over people unwilling to fight with what they cannot afford to lose?
People unwilling to fight with what they cannot afford to lose complaining that EVE is becoming a cold, harsh place.
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Shintai
Gallente
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:06:00 -
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For those that ACTUALLY played since the beginning. Even tho we messed up people in highsec and everywhere. I would say that even when flying with Stavr0s, Zap etc. EvE back then was much more peaceful than it is today.
So just because you lost your FOTM Vagabond setup doesnt mean EvE is getting soft. More the opposite.
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Kretin Arnon
Amarr
Path of the Immortals
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:11:00 -
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/slaps forehead.
Is suicide ganking really the sole foundation EVE is build on?
Please, when did suicide ganking suddenly turn in to greatest form of PvP?
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Pesadel0
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Ranger 1
Oh suck it up people.
You either know what you are doing (and will be fine), or you don't (and will give up because the classic empire suicide gank is "too hard" now).
It's amusing actually.
The whine is that EVE is becoming a pink fluffy place with no challenges for the player base.
The truth is that certain types of gameplay just got much more challenging to do successfully.
Anyone else see the irony?
Nop i canŠt can you elaborate?
Just for you? No, I'm afraid my time is more valuable than that.
But you can ask most anyone in your alliance that posts intelligently, they would appear to understand the concept already.
Indeed but you have taken the time and effort to whine about whiners ,i mean if something is more hypocrite is that.
And allot of us donŠt like were CCP is heading with all this changes not the insurance issue ,just on broader terms getting this game more PVE orientated and catering for the stupid and that wasn't the focus now was it?
Now i will ask you this did you ever suicide-gank anybody yourself?Or are you just expressing your opinions based on someone else experience of that.Tell you what a guy that suicides-ganks and doest cover its ship and modules is a tard and if he continues to do so Darwin will take care of that.
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Exlegion
New Light
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:15:00 -
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I'll never understand why is it the ones that enjoy to watch others cry and engorge themselves in others' misery are the ones that cry and whine the loudest when the smack is layeth upon them. This is just beyond irony and poetic justice.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Mordekai Bloodwake
The Phoenix Enclave
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
Nope its called running a business, due to the high demand on staff, equipment, time, resources and so fourth it all costs money (unless your too young to understand that concept!) anyhow, CCP knew from day 1 they would have to make Eve suitable for everyone if they want their player subs to grow beyond the normal cap (i.e. as you so stated - "Hardcore" players) that group of players is a very small percentage in the MMO business and is not enough to pay for expan's, new staff, new equipment, bandwidth and so on thats required to grow a successful MMO with all the new competition being developed. So like it or not, Eve will evolve and will change for everyone to enjoy! IF you dont like it, i suggest you make your own MMO or get some capital and invest in an MMO company so you can make your own.
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kretin Arnon
Please, when did suicide ganking suddenly turn in to greatest form of PvP?
Not only that, but when did relatively risk-free suicide-ganking become the bedrock of EVE? Don't forget that CCP is simply adding an element of risk to it and not prohibiting it altogether?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kretin Arnon
/slaps forehead.
Is suicide ganking really the sole foundation EVE is build on?
Please, when did suicide ganking suddenly turn in to greatest form of PvP?
Those moronics gankers who whine about the changes are the biggest carebears of all. That's why they whine now loudest - the clever ganker, he knows that these changes are in the long run in his own interest.
Why are moronic gankers the biggest carebears? Because they take zero risk. All the outcome of their action is already clear: they will lose the ship, get the insurance etc. They can calculate the invested costs up to the 1/100 isk. Everything completely determined. So ... where is the risk in that?! It is absolute riskfree carbearing. And what do carebears when their toy is taken away? They run to the forums and whine.
The more clever gankers, they don't whine at all, most of them like the changes because they know it will play them into their pockets in the long run.
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JabJabVVV
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:38:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Nexus1972
...ultimately numbers keep going up...
Do they really?
I don't know what has caused this but for the first time I can remember the 'server population (last year)' graph is showing a prolonged period of stagnation, possibly even a slight decline.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:39:00 -
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http://ft.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/a6/a6ae9d37f895ce80e5ca6e7c390d85bb7e26482c.png
As you can see, Trammel came out in April 2000. Totally killed UO.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:44:00 -
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Hint: EVE DEV's came from hardcore UO .. so I think they are not going to do same mistake as their previous favorite game ..
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:46:00 -
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Indeed but you have taken the time and effort to whine about whiners ,i mean if something is more hypocrite is that.
Stating that I find these threads amusing (and more than a little ironic) != whine.
Nice try though.
And have I suicide ganked before? Why yes, although it was for political purposes, not financial ones. Despite that fact it was rediculously easy each time (and very profitable as a side note).
Had it been a bit more challenging, it would have been more fun.
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:48:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Kuolematon
Hint: EVE DEV's came from hardcore UO .. so I think they are not going to do same mistake as their previous favorite game ..
But money is money. If they can appease the 'why would anybody attack me?' crowd, which is an audience of millions, then they will dumb down the game as far as it needs to go.
Just face it. PvP is on it's way out. As long as it stays in the ring systems, carebears don't mind. They want their world, screw yours.
So you want security? That's perfectly alright.
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McDonALTs
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:51:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Kuolematon
Hint: EVE DEV's came from hardcore UO .. so I think they are not going to do same mistake as their previous favorite game ..
But money is money. If they can appease the 'why would anybody attack me?' crowd, which is an audience of millions, then they will dumb down the game as far as it needs to go.
Just face it. PvP is on it's way out. As long as it stays in the ring systems, carebears don't mind. They want their world, screw yours.
?????
They are making the game more risky and harsh by removing insurance. It is retarted to think that making the game more harh is going to kill pvpers????
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
http://ft.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/a6/a6ae9d37f895ce80e5ca6e7c390d85bb7e26482c.png
As you can see, Trammel came out in April 2000. Totally killed UO.
I've played so many of those games. 'Hardcore' just doesn't last on the market. No room for a niche playerbase like that. I'm willing to bet money that unless CCP's ideas change, EvE will follow each one of those games that had serious, worldwide PvP.
So you want security? That's perfectly alright.
But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security. |
Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: McDonALTs
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Kuolematon
Hint: EVE DEV's came from hardcore UO .. so I think they are not going to do same mistake as their previous favorite game ..
But money is money. If they can appease the 'why would anybody attack me?' crowd, which is an audience of millions, then they will dumb down the game as far as it needs to go.
Just face it. PvP is on it's way out. As long as it stays in the ring systems, carebears don't mind. They want their world, screw yours.
?????
They are making the game more risky and harsh by removing insurance. It is retarted to think that making the game more harh is going to kill pvpers????
Did you read everything everyone wrote thinking that this was in anything other than the slightest way concerned with the new fix?
Cause it isn't. This fix is nothing in the overall scheme of things. All I've seen, ESPECIALLY in this post, is others comming in and assuming that this recent suicide nerf was why everyone is so despondent. Sorry, but even a fix can be part of the path that ruins a game.
So you want security? That's perfectly alright.
But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security. |
Evasra
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Karanth
NGE? In MY Eve!?
Don't even go there...
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MidnightMatriarch
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:00:00 -
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I somewhat agree with the OP. CCP is taking issues that need to be looked at and balanced, and taking their hardest swing at the issue that they can muster with their trusty Nerf bat. Nano's needed to be nerfed, but the changes are a bit heavy. Suicide ganking needed to be looked at, but these changes are a bit heavy. The current trend of whine and ye shall receive is turning eve into a less hardcore game. I love this game because of the freedom, and im seeing more and more of that freedom get nerfed...
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:00:00 -
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The real head-scratcher for me is that any time a playstyle becomes harder with more hardcore penalties...
...the complaints about Eve no longer being hardcore or trending away from hardcore start flowing.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
http://ft.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/a6/a6ae9d37f895ce80e5ca6e7c390d85bb7e26482c.png
As you can see, Trammel came out in April 2000. Totally killed UO.
I've played so many of those games. 'Hardcore' just doesn't last on the market. No room for a niche playerbase like that. I'm willing to bet money that unless CCP's ideas change, EvE will follow each one of those games that had serious, worldwide PvP.
You clearly entirely missed the point there.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:12:00 -
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Not quite. I just think that it killed UO for one whole population, while the other continued to flourish.
Money is money. UO changed to accomodate a softer crowd, and killed the original playerbase. I'm not arguing that EvE would continue to grow after they eventually segregate PvP to only certain areas. We'll get bigger, and bigger. But the game that many of the oldtimers enjoyed will be gone.
That's the evolution part, I guess. It just sucks if you liked EvE as it was, and aren't looking for another mainstream game. But we'll have something 'hardcore' come out in a year or two to migrate towards, and start the process over again.
So you want security? That's perfectly alright.
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Vak'ran
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:20:00 -
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Its a... jump to conclusions-mat, it lets you - jump - to conclusions.
Is bad mmkay?
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Gaia Thorn
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:26:00 -
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To clarify what i think most people whine about.
Its not just the nano nerf nor the suicide ganking nerf its the majority of nerfs that has come into play.
Nerf to T2 ammo making it pretty much useless since introduction of faction ammo.
The 50% boost to all HP of all ships prolonging combat which by a nice side effect promote more blobbing since u need more firepower to take down the stupid tanks.
Sniping thanks to the introduction of scripted sensor boosters and yes i understand that it works in 0.0 fleet fights but for us in lowsec or empire that could lock fast moving ships.
Introduction of WTZ (warp to zero) sure it removed bookmarks and such but now u can litteraly move across galaxy in 20 - 30 mins making eve a very small place.
Capitals sure a natural progression but these ships being able to haul totally killed off transport to and from 0.0 and even empire.
There are surely more "balance" issues ive forgotten but this is making eve a very boring place.
When i started playing this game the risk of losing my ship my cargo was the thrill of it the rawness the ease it took people to steam roll you.
And back then you actually had to grind for your isk not as today where u can sell off timecards and fund your playing.
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nartela
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:28:00 -
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i hope ccp isnt taking advice from a moron who insists people call him lord british he is just like stephen hawking born in britian but talks in an American accent their both ****ing crazy.
ps: i like ricky gervais.
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