Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver

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hydra accomplished their goal, the point of the alliance was to line the pockets of the leaders.

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Originally by: HostageTaker

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The NC have enough on their plate, besides they could never find your bunch inside your drone swarms...

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Originally by: Wesley Rigby

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yeah you're right, maybe they should use it to buy the OP a dictionary........

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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists

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to the op, put your stuff on the market and get out what you cant sell,
get as much space between yourself and hydra and possibly even the gameplay that seems to upset you so much (its still a game eh)

gl anyways

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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wut iz wrung wif ma spalling?

i can haz engrish book 4 ur punctuation mistake................................................................................................................................2 many dots. R u trying 2 join ma fleete 4 2nite?

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Originally by: Wesley Baird

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Tri alt spotted...

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Originally by: Wesley Rigby

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Originally by: sakana

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you shouldn't burn alts so readily.

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Originally by: sakana

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you shouldn't burn alts so readily.

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I've got plenty more, besides, I thought this would be highly entertaining since no one else is willing to fight. Everyone has been ordered to run and hide in empire and just give up.

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Originally by: Martin Mckenna

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Seriously if your a TRI alt just stop your making us look stupid.

If your a HYDRA alt stop posting also. This isnt funny

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Originally by: Martin Mckenna

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Seriously if your a TRI alt just stop your making us look stupid.

If your a HYDRA alt stop posting also. This isnt funny

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Definately a HYDRA alt who's whining and complaining because your right, this isn't funny. We are getting steamrolled and no one is doing anything. Countless times I've tried getting people together, but the rest of leadership just doesn't agree.

I mean seriously, before you all broke up a few months back, were you not upset that you just left all your stations with no fight? I mean what is the point of pvp if you just flee all the time?

Not exactly entertaining.

Either way, once we loose T-Z I'll be leaving Hydra, with whatever is left to snag.

As for Wesley Rigby, didn't your mother teach you to not post without a corp ticket in CAOD?

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Originally by: Aneu Angellus

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You types like me! IZ YAW ME?

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"Tonight, 2200 GMT in T-Z I'm making my final stand before running off with the alliance isk, and my corps isk, and all the modules/ships/blueprints in the hanger. At least I can say I made a stance in defending. I'm calling all of NC for halp. Plz come. This will be epic, on this final day we can say we defended."

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Originally by: Aneu Angellus

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wat kand ov bee cud yaw bee?

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Originally by: elorran

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I suggest a quality cheese to go with your whine.

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Originally by: Angor

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I approve of this nonsense lol

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Tri is using their ludicris speed

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Originally by: Lord WarATron

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Tri is using their ludicris speed

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Disguised Nano Whine!

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Originally by: Splagada

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We dont care, we have GM Gandalf !

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Originally by: LoveKebab

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Originally by: Splagada

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We dont care, we have GM Gandalf !

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http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3508/gmgandalfsq2.jpg

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Originally by: LoveKebab

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Originally by: Splagada

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We dont care, we have GM Gandalf !

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http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3508/gmgandalfsq2.jpg

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Originally by: Splagada

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We dont care, we have GM Gandalf !

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Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver

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hydra accomplished their goal, the point of the alliance was to line the pockets of the leaders.

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Originally by: Newsflash

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im pretty sure op is not hydra or any nc for that matter.. just a stupid troll. go **** yourself you useless waste of food.

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Originally by: D0ENERT1ER

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OMG, Lay Low guy, if you are a member of Hydra then why you dont have the balls to post with your main. Besides from that,
if youre in Hydra, plz leave and go back to empire fast, we dont need people like you.

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Originally by: D0ENERT1ER

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And to all others, we are NOT giving up and we will do everything we can to hold our space. It really becomes annoying to read such crap from any Chars noone knows who they are.

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Originally by: D0ENERT1ER

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So if someone has to say something about the situation, plz have the balls and use your main char.

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Originally by: D0ENERT1ER

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And if this is a trium alt, no comment, till now i had much respect of you as good fighters who dont smack much, but this is getting broke more and more by these spy actions and forum smack.

with regards,

D0ENERT1ER

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Originally by: Martin Mckenna

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Seriously if your a TRI alt just stop your making us look stupid.

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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Originally by: Martin Mckenna

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Seriously if your a TRI alt just stop your making us look stupid.

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I'm pretty sure that particular feat was accomplished long before any alts posted.

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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Originally by: Martin Mckenna

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Seriously if your a TRI alt just stop your making us look stupid.

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I'm pretty sure that particular feat was accomplished long before any alts posted.

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Originally by: D0ENERT1ER

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spy actions

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Originally by: LoveKebab

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Originally by: Splagada

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We dont care, we have GM Gandalf !

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http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3508/gmgandalfsq2.jpg

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Originally by: Lois Bishop

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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Originally by: Martin Mckenna

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Seriously if your a TRI alt just stop your making us look stupid.

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I'm pretty sure that particular feat was accomplished long before any alts posted.

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says a goon

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Originally by: Jade Constantine

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You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.

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Originally by: Bumrush

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I wonder why people have to hide behind alts, man up.

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Originally by: Lord WarATron

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Tri is using their ludicris speed

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Disguised Nano Whine!

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Quote:

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Tri is using their ludicris speed

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Originally by: elorran

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I suggest a quality jump freighter to go with your evacuation.

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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Originally by: Lois Bishop

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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Originally by: Martin Mckenna

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Seriously if your a TRI alt just stop your making us look stupid.

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I'm pretty sure that particular feat was accomplished long before any alts posted.

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says a goon

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*witty reposte*

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Originally by: Fitz Chivalry

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I really dont "get" the need to flame Hydra, from all I have seen of them they are willing to fight where they think they can do OK, they are usually pretty good humoured in local and on CAOD and never claimed to be shit hot pvpers or anything more than they are, which is a pretty regular alliance that caters to a wide player base.

There are a hell of a lot more alliances out there than Hydra.

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Originally by: Darknesss

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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Originally by: Lois Bishop

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Originally by: Darius JOHNSON

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Originally by: Martin Mckenna

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Seriously if your a TRI alt just stop your making us look stupid.

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I'm pretty sure that particular feat was accomplished long before any alts posted.

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says a goon

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*witty reposte*

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Sorry, do you think you are witty? or important?

I still dont know who you even are.

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Originally by: D0ENERT1ER

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OMG, Lay Low guy, if you are a member of Hydra then why you dont have the balls to post with your main. Besides from that,
if youre in Hydra, plz leave and go back to empire fast, we dont need people like you.

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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You promote blobbing Karbo ;p

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Originally by: Karbowiak

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Just as Archen says, you need to start fighting instead of huggin the station and/or posses.
Last night i had an awesome 1on1 fight with another inty - however we both bailed before either of us died, i proposed we took a rematch but he didn't want to (dont blame him tho taranis vs crow heh)

However, when we had the Drake gang - you also had a rather large gang, but disbanded it?.. if you had been smart you could have taken out a few drakes and/or nano ships and bailed - and atleast have caused us SOME damage..
But meh, at this point i'll take what i can get :)

I dont think hydra sucks, they just lack motivation and leadership.

You can take 1 elite ****er against 10 noobs and the 10 noobs will own the elite ****er any day - in anything. If Hydra did the same, they'd overrun us no doubt..

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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Edited by: Lucia Cruz on 08/08/2008 11:44:02

Originally by: Karbowiak

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Just as Archen says, you need to start fighting instead of huggin the station and/or posses.
Last night i had an awesome 1on1 fight with another inty - however we both bailed before either of us died, i proposed we took a rematch but he didn't want to (dont blame him tho taranis vs crow heh)

However, when we had the Drake gang - you also had a rather large gang, but disbanded it?.. if you had been smart you could have taken out a few drakes and/or nano ships and bailed - and atleast have caused us SOME damage..
But meh, at this point i'll take what i can get :)

I dont think hydra sucks, they just lack motivation and leadership.

You can take 1 elite ****er against 10 noobs and the 10 noobs will own the elite ****er any day - in anything. If Hydra did the same, they'd overrun us no doubt..

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It amazes me the amount of times people (the aggressors) come on to COAD to try and generate some kind of response from (the defenders) in order to fuel their quest for so called epic fights. I never understand why the (the defenders) feel the need to give (the aggressors) what they want, and as a result encourage them to stay. ItÆs simple, just deny them what they want and (the aggressors) soon loose interestààeveryone knows its much more fun attacking on foreign soil than it is defending your own back yard.

Insert any attacking alliance and defending alliance name in the brackets and this is true in every account!

Simply ask yourself 1 simple question, Does (the aggressor) want to actually claim your space? In most cases the answer is NO!

But it still makes me smile every time I see this happen

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Originally by: Dark Angelete

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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Edited by: Lucia Cruz on 08/08/2008 11:44:02

Originally by: Karbowiak

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Just as Archen says, you need to start fighting instead of huggin the station and/or posses.
Last night i had an awesome 1on1 fight with another inty - however we both bailed before either of us died, i proposed we took a rematch but he didn't want to (dont blame him tho taranis vs crow heh)

However, when we had the Drake gang - you also had a rather large gang, but disbanded it?.. if you had been smart you could have taken out a few drakes and/or nano ships and bailed - and atleast have caused us SOME damage..
But meh, at this point i'll take what i can get :)

I dont think hydra sucks, they just lack motivation and leadership.

You can take 1 elite ****er against 10 noobs and the 10 noobs will own the elite ****er any day - in anything. If Hydra did the same, they'd overrun us no doubt..

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It amazes me the amount of times people (the aggressors) come on to COAD to try and generate some kind of response from (the defenders) in order to fuel their quest for so called epic fights. I never understand why the (the defenders) feel the need to give (the aggressors) what they want, and as a result encourage them to stay. ItÆs simple, just deny them what they want and (the aggressors) soon loose interestààeveryone knows its much more fun attacking on foreign soil than it is defending your own back yard.

Insert any attacking alliance and defending alliance name in the brackets and this is true in every account!

Simply ask yourself 1 simple question, Does (the aggressor) want to actually claim your space? In most cases the answer is NO!

But it still makes me smile every time I see this happen

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NC's trying out it's new response/excuse to MAX.. LAWL

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Originally by: Dark Angelete

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"Just hide you guys!!Make sure they don't see you!!!If we hide good enough they will just go away and leave us alone."

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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It amazes me the amount of times people (the aggressors) come on to COAD to try and generate some kind of response from (the defenders) in order to fuel their quest for so called epic fights.

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I never understand why the (the defenders) feel the need to give (the aggressors) what they want, and as a result encourage them to stay. ItÆs simple, just deny them what they want and (the aggressors) soon loose interestàà

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Quote:

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everyone knows its much more fun attacking on foreign soil than it is defending your own back yard.

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Quote:

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Insert any attacking alliance and defending alliance name in the brackets and this is true in every account!

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Simply ask yourself 1 question, Does (the aggressor) want to actually claim your space? In most cases the answer is NO!

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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Most of TRI pilots don't care about Hydra space. But if Hydra will not defend it than we will take it anyway. Denying us fun fights won't save them.

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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Originally by: Dark Angelete

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"Just hide you guys!!Make sure they don't see you!!!If we hide good enough they will just go away and leave us alone."

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I noticed how you have not argued against the hypothesis I have written, which in itself makes me smile

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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I will ignore the original post because I think it's a TRI alt trying to make a joke. Fortunately it sparked interesting discussion.

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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You need more people like Lay Low guy. He says he tried to lead people few times and Hydra needs leaders. Several times during yesterday you had more numbers and much better ships than us and yet you didn't attack. Sure you will lose some but we will lose some too. I heard TRI pilots saying: should they attack now we would have problem.

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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With every lost ship they will be better pilots.

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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You can't train good pilots by sitting in POS or station. You must field ships. Do not afraid of fight.

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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It's not a shame to lose.

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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It amazes me the amount of times people (the aggressors) come on to COAD to try and generate some kind of response from (the defenders) in order to fuel their quest for so called epic fights.

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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I never understand why the (the defenders) feel the need to give (the aggressors) what they want, and as a result encourage them to stay. ItÆs simple, just deny them what they want and (the aggressors) soon loose interestààeveryone knows its much more fun attacking on foreign soil than it is defending your own back yard.

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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It amazes me the amount of times people (the aggressors) come on to COAD to try and generate some kind of response from (the defenders) in order to fuel their quest for so called epic fights.

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This is a game about ships being blown to pieces. Hiding in a corner is not exactly playing a game, right?

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In your narrow view all this game is about blowing up ships, and yes to a degree that is correct. But there is far more to this game than just shooting ships....

Quote:

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I never understand why the (the defenders) feel the need to give (the aggressors) what they want, and as a result encourage them to stay. ItÆs simple, just deny them what they want and (the aggressors) soon loose interestàà

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Quote:

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And you will lose you stations.

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And they either CHOOSE to defend, or just reclaim them when you move on to another target

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everyone knows its much more fun attacking on foreign soil than it is defending your own back yard.

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Oh really? I would say it may be fun in both ways. It depends on how much fun all those fights will give.

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This comment it common for all players that play eve purely for pvp!

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Insert any attacking alliance and defending alliance name in the brackets and this is true in every account!

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Insert TRI as a defender and Roadkill as attacker and you have lots of fun on the TRI side. See, I just ruined your theory.

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No, because you and I both know the vast majority of players in TRI are there for the pvp and relish fights regardless.....

Quote:

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Simply ask yourself 1 question, Does (the aggressor) want to actually claim your space? In most cases the answer is NO!

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Most of TRI pilots don't care about Hydra space. But if Hydra will not defend it than we will take it anyway. Denying us fun fights won't save them.

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Originally by: Dark Angelete

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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Originally by: Dark Angelete

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"Just hide you guys!!Make sure they don't see you!!!If we hide good enough they will just go away and leave us alone."

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I noticed how you have not argued against the hypothesis I have written, which in itself makes me smile

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You must be a Tri alt trying to get easy space or mass fire sales.Either that or your a leader of the NC bent on helping others fail too.Trying to convince these guys to hold out so you can get more of your stuff to empire before you get ass ****d by the opposition?That makes me smile.

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Show your corp tag or be prepared to be modded!

YARRRRR

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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I am actually a Gayzor main with a real interest....makes me smile

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Originally by: Dark Angelete

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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I am actually a Gayzor main with a real interest....makes me smile

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You not stoping your fail posting makes me smile.

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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler

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I've had the pleasure of going to Hydra space a couple of times.
I've never seen an Alliance to lack so much fight in them in my life.
It's not so much that they suck, they do a bit, but I've had some semi decent fights up that way.
The members and leadership seem to be struck with some sort of apathy, they have this 'I'm all right jack' attitude that is prevelant among a lot of the northern residents. Hangar queens only looking out for themselves, their rats and their ore. Alliance mate getting ganked on a gate? I'll just sit here and twirl my ship woooo. POS defence op? Nah, there's noone here two systems down to steal my triple spawns or this sweet mercoxit deposit.

Eve is a game where leaders have to be able to mobilise their troops and inspire them to fight. Morale and the will to fight means more in Eve than most MMOs. Hydra have never had much in terms of will, and they seem to be losing it every day.

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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Oh yes, thatÆs right, itÆs only fun when your winningà.

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Originally by: Splagada

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i guess mods are sleeping, thread sort of "ran its course"

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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Quote:

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This is a game about ships being blown to pieces. Hiding in a corner is not exactly playing a game, right?

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In your narrow view all this game is about blowing up ships, and yes to a degree that is correct. But there is far more to this game than just shooting ships....

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This comment it common for all players that play eve purely for pvp!

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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0.0 is for big boys with toys that can do harm.

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Originally by: Ackaroth

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Lucia - I get what you mean, but there is 2 parts to this.

1. TRI just wanted a target. Being in Venal, Hydra was a close option, and MM/RZR were busy. We are already chastised and called BoB pets, so why jump in on that? We know MM/RZR can put out good pvp and they are fought daily during this campaign. TRI is opening up a second front in the NC conflict, and that's fun.

2. TRI wants some space, and if HYDRA don't defend theirs adequately, or TRI doesn't get steamrolled to Jita, it will gain some. Not saying we will hold it forever, not saying we will even get it, but that's they way things are.


Please, stop saying poor HYDRA. If you are a 0.0 alliance, and you hold space, you are fair game. They have had big brothers to help them in the past, this isn't fully the case now. This isn't good timing, this is part of a strategy. God forbid someone put some thought into their war...

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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It's the only valid view. Imagine for a moment that no ship in EVE gets blown. After a while you have market full of ships nobody buys. Full of Trit nobody buys. Full of tech2 materials nobody buys.

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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Originally by: ArchenTheGreat

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It's the only valid view. Imagine for a moment that no ship in EVE gets blown. After a while you have market full of ships nobody buys. Full of Trit nobody buys. Full of tech2 materials nobody buys.

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You obviously have not seen me trying to NPC BS spawns or solo level 4/5 missions or god forbid loose ships in factional warfare....

Sorry I don't do sarcasm very well...let's try again

Perhaps Call of Duty or Counterstrike is a better game for you?

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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You obviously have not seen me trying to NPC BS spawns or solo level 4/5 missions or god forbid loose ships in factional warfare....

Sorry I don't do sarcasm very well...let's try again

Perhaps Call of Duty or Counterstrike is a better game for you?

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler

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I've had the pleasure of going to Hydra space a couple of times.
I've never seen an Alliance to lack so much fight in them in my life.
It's not so much that they suck, they do a bit, but I've had some semi decent fights up that way.
The members and leadership seem to be struck with some sort of apathy, they have this 'I'm all right jack' attitude that is prevelant among a lot of the northern residents. Hangar queens only looking out for themselves, their rats and their ore. Alliance mate getting ganked on a gate? I'll just sit here and twirl my ship woooo. POS defence op? Nah, there's noone here two systems down to steal my triple spawns or this sweet mercoxit deposit.

Eve is a game where leaders have to be able to mobilise their troops and inspire them to fight. Morale and the will to fight means more in Eve than most MMOs. Hydra have never had much in terms of will, and they seem to be losing it every day.

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And because they don't share the same sentiments as you, and playing style as you that is wrong?

What seases to amaze me is all these PVP entities that lust after good fights, knowingly pick targets that are likely to not want to fight to the same degree, then come to the forums and say things such as ôyou failö or ôyou suckö or ôyou donÆt deserve this or thatö.

HereÆs an idea, why donÆt these PVP entities target other known PVP entities then everyoneÆs a winner.

Oh yes, thatÆs right, itÆs only fun when your winningà.

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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or just some useless chav on the street being a tosspot.

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Originally by: T'Renn

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In Soviet Heimatar, gate camps you.

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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You obviously have not seen me trying to NPC BS spawns or solo level 4/5 missions or god forbid loose ships in factional warfare....

Sorry I don't do sarcasm very well...let's try again

Perhaps Call of Duty or Counterstrike is a better game for you?

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blinded by your own arrogance and lack of functional knowledge of the game. perhaps you should stop failing and try somthing you are good at yourself, such as quilt making, being a couch nugget, or just some useless chav on the street being a tosspot.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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I have to agree with some: Hydra has added a lot to the game. It's gotten many pilots feet wet in 0.0 and it's given lots of folks a means to make income, make ships, sell ships... blah blah blah...

I've also often said that Hydra is completely incapable of defending it's own space. And I even said this when I was *in* hydra. Hydra's problem is not just lack of leaders though. It's lack of willing PVP'ers. You see, while Hydra has added a lot to the game by allowing pilots access to 0.0 and getting their feet wet in roaming gangs, etc. They are still, too this day, a very 'young' PVP crowd. Most good PVP'ers in hydra 'graduate' off to other, more pvp dedicated, alliances. Yes, Hydra has a small core of dedicated PVP'ers (and they know who they are... hi guys) who will form fleets, teach others how... etc etc... but the vast majority of hydra's members are 'carebears' still who are just starting to get into PVP.

Hydra's problems have always been twofold:
1) A lack of sufficient quality FC's that people trust and will follow
2) A lack of dedication amongst their members to follow the FC's REGARDLESS of it meaning loss of ship. Because of this plots don't x up unless there is a 'critical mass' of pilots already in a fleet because they don't feel they can win or be effective outnumbered or even with even forces in many cases.

Does this make Hydra a 'bad' alliance? No... they're an average alliance who knows their own limitations but they often sell themselves short. With their numbers they could easily just blob Tri to death most of the time but because their pilots have poor leadership (and poor followership) they rarely manage to get forces together to do so.

All of that said:
Hydra has never claimed to be a PVP powerhouse. They've never even claimed that they're able to hold their space on their own. Most members of Hydra will willingly admit that they hold their space mostly because the NC supports them if things get too hot.

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Originally by: Bumrush

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Pot and the kettle here

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Originally by: Splagada

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the thing is those threads are entertaining but wont make us leeroy against a 40+ capital blob...

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Originally by: Splagada

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the thing is those threads are entertaining but wont make us leeroy against a 40+ capital blob...

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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You obviously have not seen me trying to NPC BS spawns or solo level 4/5 missions or god forbid loose ships in factional warfare....

Sorry I don't do sarcasm very well...let's try again

Perhaps Call of Duty or Counterstrike is a better game for you?

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blinded by your own arrogance and lack of functional knowledge of the game. perhaps you should stop failing and try somthing you are good at yourself, such as quilt making, being a couch nugget, or just some useless chav on the street being a tosspot.

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Originally by: Splagada

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You guys are in full BS or drake or whatever you want gangs, with logistics, with remote rep in gang, with double digit capital support at anytime. and well with burn eden :p

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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We are talking about how you people need to loosen up and get with the program, a very valid topic which is indeed tied to the op.

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Originally by: SomeHardLovin

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As a reminder.. war is not won or lost in a day.

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Originally by: Splagada

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we didnt exactly saw the 1st week of burn eden camp in P3 as beginning of war. Our mistake for sure!

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Originally by: Usha Lamia

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We have 3 times there numbers but TRI still outblob us, I petitioned already via GM Gandalf

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Originally by: Usha Lamia

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I have nothing for respect for BE. They have their style of play and their tactics and that's what they do well. They gave HYDRA a good fight with little to no smack talk as I remember. Everyone knows how they play, albeit annoying, it's turned out to be quite effective.

KIA/Daisho gave a good fight as well. No smack talk, respectable fights most of the time, except for the DDD every hour like clockwork, to which they admitted it was a new toy and they wanted to test it. I still give them kudos for the fights they brought and the honor on the battlefield. Many alliances and corps could learn from them.

Tri, on the other hand, can't make up their minds. This is not smack talk because I am in HYDRA either, this is just my observation after reading months of their CAOD posts. They ***** about blob warfare all the time, yet this is what they are doing in HYDRA space. They say they don't want HYDRA space but they'll take it if HYDRA doesn't defend it. What kind of wishy washy decision making is this? You do or you don't? Now they somehow managed to get BE to join their alliance, God only knows why BE would even succumb to that. BE has claimed many times they liked being effective in small numbers as they are. Now TRI as adopted BE strategy with the nano cloaking camping and become a blob warfare entity within Eve while still contradicting themselves in CAOD. They have entirely too many smack talking teenagers in space. They sit in space with 2-3 in local and whine that HYDRA won't undock, yet HYDRA has learned that when someone does decide to undock, suddnely those 2-3 turn into 20-30 in an instant and we are the lame carebears that can't fight 2 on 20 odds. A bit hypocritical maybe? They all claim to want good fights but yet resort to blob warfare with caps when the possibility of them losing something arises. HYDRA is not stupid. We will not blatantly charge into a losing battle no matter how much you try to taunt us and smack us here or in local space.

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Originally by: Pamangkin

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Edited by: Pamangkin on 08/08/2008 19:17:09
Really getting out blob by a smaller alliance than yours is not Tri's issue but your membership participation in PVP ops issue. Tell your alliance to join gang.

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Besides war is not about being equal.

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Originally by: Ackaroth

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@ Lucia: You will never be able to stop people from chest beating. This is a game where pride is derived from:

Who you fly with
What you fly
How you fly
How much you kill

And when people go somewhere, and start killing people, be they sharks or sheep, the agresssor is going to brag about it. Sadly, in this case, HYDRA isnt a shark. TRI could have said lets go fight BoB, but thats not what they wanted to do. TRI didnt want to get blobbed to hell and back (despite what some chestbeaters will say... ie: Bring it on, we will take whatever you can throw). History has shown that TRI does well against even and larger gangs, but when an enemy tries to throw hundreds at us, that diminishes experience for everyone. This isnt news, everyone knows it, its just how it turns out that causes bragging or whining. If we had grid loaded and turkey shot, sure as shit alot will brag. If it was opposite, sure as shit alot would say well thanks for blobbing. No one wins, except ccp collecting monthlies. But thats a whole nother ball of wax.


Basically, get over it. Alliances like HYDRA are cool, and will get picked on, and when the time is right, they will lose their space, because like people have already said, if you cant defend your space, you dont deserve it. That is just how it is. The powerbloc's keep alot of that from happening, but when opportunity knocks...

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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Furthermore and I have mentioned it before, is that not everyone gains the same out of PVP as some others do. In fact if you take an average euro primetime of around 30,000 - 35,000 players logging into TQ, it's actually a very small minority that want to PVP (something most seem to forgets) So I am saying don't be suprised when you pick a target, that they don't actually want to fight because the law of averages says they probably don't want to.

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Originally by: Pamangkin

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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Furthermore and I have mentioned it before, is that not everyone gains the same out of PVP as some others do. In fact if you take an average euro primetime of around 30,000 - 35,000 players logging into TQ, it's actually a very small minority that want to PVP (something most seem to forgets) So I am saying don't be suprised when you pick a target, that they don't actually want to fight because the law of averages says they probably don't want to.

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Is this an official surrender statement from Hydra?

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Originally by: Lucia Cruz

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Edited by: Lucia Cruz on 08/08/2008 19:27:49

Originally by: Ackaroth

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@ Lucia: You will never be able to stop people from chest beating. This is a game where pride is derived from:

Who you fly with
What you fly
How you fly
How much you kill

And when people go somewhere, and start killing people, be they sharks or sheep, the agresssor is going to brag about it. Sadly, in this case, HYDRA isnt a shark. TRI could have said lets go fight BoB, but thats not what they wanted to do. TRI didnt want to get blobbed to hell and back (despite what some chestbeaters will say... ie: Bring it on, we will take whatever you can throw). History has shown that TRI does well against even and larger gangs, but when an enemy tries to throw hundreds at us, that diminishes experience for everyone. This isnt news, everyone knows it, its just how it turns out that causes bragging or whining. If we had grid loaded and turkey shot, sure as shit alot will brag. If it was opposite, sure as shit alot would say well thanks for blobbing. No one wins, except ccp collecting monthlies. But thats a whole nother ball of wax.


Basically, get over it. Alliances like HYDRA are cool, and will get picked on, and when the time is right, they will lose their space, because like people have already said, if you cant defend your space, you dont deserve it. That is just how it is. The powerbloc's keep alot of that from happening, but when opportunity knocks...

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Your absolutely right, everyone going into 0.0 knows the risks. And never have I said alliances deserve to hold 0.0 space without having to defend them. My point is if you want so called "uber" fights then choose someone you know is going to give it.

Furthermore and I have mentioned it before, is that not everyone gains the same out of PVP as some others do. In fact if you take an average euro primetime of around 30,000 - 35,000 players logging into TQ, it's actually a very small minority that want to PVP (something most seem to forgets) So I am saying don't be suprised when you pick a target, that they don't actually want to fight because the law of averages says they probably don't want to.

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Originally by: Splagada

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You guys are in full BS or drake or whatever you want gangs, with logistics, with remote rep in gang, with double digit capital support at anytime. and well with burn eden :p

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tbfh, capitals are there for your towers. Everyone is looking for a fight, not a slaughter.

it doesn't take much to fit a remote rep onto any ship

what about BE? they don't know wtf is going on half the time cause SATAN won't stfu on comms from what i remember (reason why I left tri tbfh). (did you see what I did there?)

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Originally by: Zandramus

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Originally by: Usha Lamia

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I have nothing for respect for BE. They have their style of play and their tactics and that's what they do well. They gave HYDRA a good fight with little to no smack talk as I remember. Everyone knows how they play, albeit annoying, it's turned out to be quite effective.

KIA/Daisho gave a good fight as well. No smack talk, respectable fights most of the time, except for the DDD every hour like clockwork, to which they admitted it was a new toy and they wanted to test it. I still give them kudos for the fights they brought and the honor on the battlefield. Many alliances and corps could learn from them.

Tri, on the other hand, can't make up their minds. This is not smack talk because I am in HYDRA either, this is just my observation after reading months of their CAOD posts. They ***** about blob warfare all the time, yet this is what they are doing in HYDRA space. They say they don't want HYDRA space but they'll take it if HYDRA doesn't defend it. What kind of wishy washy decision making is this? You do or you don't? Now they somehow managed to get BE to join their alliance, God only knows why BE would even succumb to that. BE has claimed many times they liked being effective in small numbers as they are. Now TRI as adopted BE strategy with the nano cloaking camping and become a blob warfare entity within Eve while still contradicting themselves in CAOD. They have entirely too many smack talking teenagers in space. They sit in space with 2-3 in local and whine that HYDRA won't undock, yet HYDRA has learned that when someone does decide to undock, suddnely those 2-3 turn into 20-30 in an instant and we are the lame carebears that can't fight 2 on 20 odds. A bit hypocritical maybe? They all claim to want good fights but yet resort to blob warfare with caps when the possibility of them losing something arises. HYDRA is not stupid. We will not blatantly charge into a losing battle no matter how much you try to taunt us and smack us here or in local space.

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lawlawlalwlawlal rly tho sted of sitting in your station crying on the forums while we kill your towers with like 15 man bs gangs maybe you should form a gang of your own and actually do something-i spose that doesnt make any sense at all?

as for blobs think our biggest gang top'd at bout 135ish when that nc 'roaming' nano gang came to p3

stop crying cuz you suck,stop crying cuz your allies left you to die and stop crying because you guys cant seem to put a half decent gang together maybe you will see better results......situation you are in now is no1's fault but your own

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Originally by: Usha Lamia

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I have nothing for respect for BE. They have their style of play and their tactics and that's what they do well. They gave HYDRA a good fight with little to no smack talk as I remember. Everyone knows how they play, albeit annoying, it's turned out to be quite effective.

KIA/Daisho gave a good fight as well. No smack talk, respectable fights most of the time, except for the DDD every hour like clockwork, to which they admitted it was a new toy and they wanted to test it. I still give them kudos for the fights they brought and the honor on the battlefield. Many alliances and corps could learn from them.

Tri, on the other hand, can't make up their minds. This is not smack talk because I am in HYDRA either, this is just my observation after reading months of their CAOD posts. They ***** about blob warfare all the time, yet this is what they are doing in HYDRA space. They say they don't want HYDRA space but they'll take it if HYDRA doesn't defend it. What kind of wishy washy decision making is this? You do or you don't? Now they somehow managed to get BE to join their alliance, God only knows why BE would even succumb to that. BE has claimed many times they liked being effective in small numbers as they are. Now TRI as adopted BE strategy with the nano cloaking camping and become a blob warfare entity within Eve while still contradicting themselves in CAOD. They have entirely too many smack talking teenagers in space. They sit in space with 2-3 in local and whine that HYDRA won't undock, yet HYDRA has learned that when someone does decide to undock, suddnely those 2-3 turn into 20-30 in an instant and we are the lame carebears that can't fight 2 on 20 odds. A bit hypocritical maybe? They all claim to want good fights but yet resort to blob warfare with caps when the possibility of them losing something arises. HYDRA is not stupid. We will not blatantly charge into a losing battle no matter how much you try to taunt us and smack us here or in local space.

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Originally by: Kikki Di'je

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Hydra, we don't have a decent enough FC to do anything and we have already begun loosing Sov because we are evacuating.

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Originally by: Tahaki Sheratu

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That said, I'm sure you guys do have a lot of fun and are stand up guys, and respect for that. But your alliance as a 0.0 entity is a joke.

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Originally by: SomeHardLovin

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Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 08/08/2008 21:15:22

Originally by: Tahaki Sheratu

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That said, I'm sure you guys do have a lot of fun and are stand up guys, and respect for that. But your alliance as a 0.0 entity is a joke.

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It's not a joke. We have existed for a long time and continue to exist atm. Longer than most in fact. How long has your Alliance been around?

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Originally by: SomeHardLovin

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Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 08/08/2008 21:17:43

Originally by: Tahaki Sheratu

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That said, I'm sure you guys do have a lot of fun and are stand up guys, and respect for that. But your alliance as a 0.0 entity is a joke.

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It's not a joke. We have existed for a long time and continue to exist atm. Longer than most in fact. How long has your Alliance been around?

Its true though.. we are a lot of fun :) You think Drake fleets are cool.. drunken battle-badger nights were a hoot.

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Originally by: Usha Lamia

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I have nothing for respect for BE. They have their style of play and their tactics and that's what they do well. They gave HYDRA a good fight with little to no smack talk as I remember. Everyone knows how they play, albeit annoying, it's turned out to be quite effective.

KIA/Daisho gave a good fight as well. No smack talk, respectable fights most of the time, except for the DDD every hour like clockwork, to which they admitted it was a new toy and they wanted to test it. I still give them kudos for the fights they brought and the honor on the battlefield. Many alliances and corps could learn from them.

Tri, on the other hand, can't make up their minds. This is not smack talk because I am in HYDRA either, this is just my observation after reading months of their CAOD posts. They ***** about blob warfare all the time, yet this is what they are doing in HYDRA space. They say they don't want HYDRA space but they'll take it if HYDRA doesn't defend it. What kind of wishy washy decision making is this? You do or you don't? Now they somehow managed to get BE to join their alliance, God only knows why BE would even succumb to that. BE has claimed many times they liked being effective in small numbers as they are. Now TRI as adopted BE strategy with the nano cloaking camping and become a blob warfare entity within Eve while still contradicting themselves in CAOD. They have entirely too many smack talking teenagers in space. They sit in space with 2-3 in local and whine that HYDRA won't undock, yet HYDRA has learned that when someone does decide to undock, suddnely those 2-3 turn into 20-30 in an instant and we are the lame carebears that can't fight 2 on 20 odds. A bit hypocritical maybe? They all claim to want good fights but yet resort to blob warfare with caps when the possibility of them losing something arises. HYDRA is not stupid. We will not blatantly charge into a losing battle no matter how much you try to taunt us and smack us here or in local space.

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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Originally by: SomeHardLovin

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Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 08/08/2008 21:17:43

Originally by: Tahaki Sheratu

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That said, I'm sure you guys do have a lot of fun and are stand up guys, and respect for that. But your alliance as a 0.0 entity is a joke.

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It's not a joke. We have existed for a long time and continue to exist atm. Longer than most in fact. How long has your Alliance been around?

Its true though.. we are a lot of fun :) You think Drake fleets are cool.. drunken battle-badger nights were a hoot.

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I remember FIX saying the same

- Gob

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Originally by: Arkanjuca

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Snipped Buncha true stuff about Hydra to cut down forum spammage. It's on page 4 if you wanna read the original post.

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Thats the problem, i have been in some alliances with this kind of ppl, who wont fight for their turf, the end is always the same... It infuriate the ones who actualy fight for their turf, they loose ships while others are still making isk.
Message to the PVPers, if your alliance mates dont risk their ships defending your space, leave now before you regret fighting for the carebears.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Originally by: Arkanjuca

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Snipped Buncha true stuff about Hydra to cut down forum spammage

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Thats the problem, i have been in some alliances with this kind of ppl, who wont fight for their turf, the end is always the same... It infuriate the ones who actualy fight for their turf, they loose ships while others are still making isk.
Message to the PVPers, if your alliance mates dont risk their ships defending your space, leave now before you regret fighting for the carebears.

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Oh I heartily agree. But the bottom line is that people flaming Hydra for being... well... Hydra... just strikes me as kinda silly. And your point is also valid, and a perfect example of why most of Hydra's members who become solid PVP'ers move on to other corps/alliances eventually.

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Originally by: Tahaki Sheratu

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Originally by: Arkanjuca

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Snipped Buncha true stuff about Hydra to cut down forum spammage

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Thats the problem, i have been in some alliances with this kind of ppl, who wont fight for their turf, the end is always the same... It infuriate the ones who actualy fight for their turf, they loose ships while others are still making isk.
Message to the PVPers, if your alliance mates dont risk their ships defending your space, leave now before you regret fighting for the carebears.

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Oh I heartily agree. But the bottom line is that people flaming Hydra for being... well... Hydra... just strikes me as kinda silly. And your point is also valid, and a perfect example of why most of Hydra's members who become solid PVP'ers move on to other corps/alliances eventually.

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We aren't flaming them for being Hydra. We're flaming them for thinking they deserve their 0.0 space, but being incapable of fighting for it.

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Originally by: Tahaki Sheratu

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Originally by: Arkanjuca

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Originally by: Taram Caldar

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Snipped Buncha true stuff about Hydra to cut down forum spammage

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Thats the problem, i have been in some alliances with this kind of ppl, who wont fight for their turf, the end is always the same... It infuriate the ones who actualy fight for their turf, they loose ships while others are still making isk.
Message to the PVPers, if your alliance mates dont risk their ships defending your space, leave now before you regret fighting for the carebears.

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Oh I heartily agree. But the bottom line is that people flaming Hydra for being... well... Hydra... just strikes me as kinda silly. And your point is also valid, and a perfect example of why most of Hydra's members who become solid PVP'ers move on to other corps/alliances eventually.

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We aren't flaming them for being Hydra. We're flaming them for thinking they deserve their 0.0 space, but being incapable of fighting for it.

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AHH ok carry on then. Because that's a perfectly legit point. :)

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Originally by: Wesley Baird

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Too much smack in this thread, save it for local!

Hydra seem like a decent group of people for the most part, its not at all a personal thing...I hope you stand and fight hard for the rest of your space, as in the end its a game. We have the potential to bring some big toys to the game with bearable lag.

Win or lose, enjoy the fight!!

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Originally by: SATAN

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Wtf...

Get out of the corp whats this lose crap?

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Originally by: Wesley Baird

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Originally by: SATAN

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Wtf...

Get out of the corp whats this lose crap?

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Well, I meant we win, and they lose of course...

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Originally by: MassonA

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ALOIS HAMMER! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHA

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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig

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I remember FIX saying the same
- Gob

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Originally by: SomeHardLovin

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Edited by: SomeHardLovin on 08/08/2008 21:17:43

Originally by: Tahaki Sheratu

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That said, I'm sure you guys do have a lot of fun and are stand up guys, and respect for that. But your alliance as a 0.0 entity is a joke.

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It's not a joke. We have existed for a long time and continue to exist atm. Longer than most in fact. How long has your Alliance been around?

Its true though.. we are a lot of fun :) You think Drake fleets are cool.. drunken battle-badger nights were a hoot.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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I'm sorry to say, but you are not the alliance you think you are. Without the NC to hand hold you, you're bascially nothing but a collection of ISK farmers. Any fool can blue everything within 100 jumps to hold space.

This is the first ever serious challenge to your space without the NC to hand-hold you, and it is a challenge by an entity 35% of your size.

See ya.

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Originally by: NokNok

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Second corp in 3 days just left Hydra after we destroyed one of their carriers.

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Originally by: Usha Lamia

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Tri, on the other hand, can't make up their minds. This is not smack talk because I am in HYDRA either, this is just my observation after reading months of their CAOD posts. They ***** about blob warfare all the time, yet this is what they are doing in HYDRA space. They say they don't want HYDRA space but they'll take it if HYDRA doesn't defend it. What kind of wishy washy decision making is this? You do or you don't? Now they somehow managed to get BE to join their alliance, God only knows why BE would even succumb to that. BE has claimed many times they liked being effective in small numbers as they are. Now TRI as adopted BE strategy with the nano cloaking camping and become a blob warfare entity within Eve while still contradicting themselves in CAOD. They have entirely too many smack talking teenagers in space. They sit in space with 2-3 in local and whine that HYDRA won't undock, yet HYDRA has learned that when someone does decide to undock, suddnely those 2-3 turn into 20-30 in an instant and we are the lame carebears that can't fight 2 on 20 odds. A bit hypocritical maybe? They all claim to want good fights but yet resort to blob warfare with caps when the possibility of them losing something arises. HYDRA is not stupid. We will not blatantly charge into a losing battle no matter how much you try to taunt us and smack us here or in local space.

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Originally by: BobbySteelz

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Originally by: NokNok

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Second corp in 3 days just left Hydra after we destroyed one of their carriers.

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You bob pets sure have all came out and chestbeat as loud as bob that's for sure. Tri may do some things like the old tri, but you guys sure don't act on your own, seems you definatly are bob pets or napped with them in the least. Just seems to tarnish tri IMO, they used to seem like a solo entity, working on their own, now they seem to definatly be working with the bobbits, just a shame I once liked tri, now I hope the fail as they did before.

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