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Ihrda Siharkhail Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.08 10:47:00 - [31] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. get off eft, the vaga does nowhere near 650dps in a real fight.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.08.08 11:07:00 - [32] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. I smell eft warrior!
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.08.08 11:24:00 - [33] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, sigh, another 'tard who does not know the mechanics of optimal and falloff (and where the Vaga hits most of the time). Quote: with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not even a t1 frig that doesn't move will "insta pop" ... Quote: Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. it will also prove once again that your EFT skills mean nothing. ;-) Quote: To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. Let's talk about this again in 2-3 months when the KBs will be full of Vaga loss mails to 2 ceptors or AFs and then Vagas will begin to disappear from KBs... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Miss Rumpelstilzchen Minmatar Black Horizon Ltd	Posted - 2008.08.08 11:27:00 - [34] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. lol lol.. just try a EFT warrior setup with this DPS... [Vagabond, test] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Projectile Collision Accelerator I [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5 All skills 5 + you need a PG implant without drons it have around 550 dps @ 1,9km WTS clue
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.08.08 11:34:00 - [35] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. stop sniffing paint while playing whit eft... no vaga will do 650 DPS in a real fight... lmfao.. the stupidity of eft warriors ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
RedMage Black Rabbits	Posted - 2008.08.08 12:45:00 - [36] Edited by: RedMage on 08/08/2008 12:45:40 /silly dont flame.. high:blank Mid: 3 Cap Recharger II's Mid: 1 100mn MWD Low: 2 Overdrive II's 1 IStab II's 2 RCU II's I'll test it when i get home from work, but it's probably the last bastion of immitation speed the poor ship will get and take longer than a BS to align. Ruse, Fast, Stun, Lit4, Ultima
Chr0nosX Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.08.08 12:59:00 - [37] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. The ships tracking bonus?
Megan Maynard Minmatar 7th Cav	Posted - 2008.08.08 13:28:00 - [38] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. YEAH. Rupture does 500 DPS with some skills, vaga doesn't touch 650, and I'm not sure what you are smoking.
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Erocitnom 5x 180, 1 med neut 2x shield extender, mwd/disruptor 3x nano, 2x gyro kinetic/ambit extension warrior/ec-300 Dudes on the test server have been reporting that a single caracal ****S that set up.
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Trojanman190 Originally by: Erocitnom 5x 180, 1 med neut 2x shield extender, mwd/disruptor 3x nano, 2x gyro kinetic/ambit extension warrior/ec-300 Dudes on the test server have been reporting that a single caracal ****S that set up. yeah right lol
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Stab Wounds I fly vagabonds lolololol Stay out of this thread. AstroPhobic starts to hang up chains of garlic drenched in holy water __________________________________________ Join channel "Salvage Minmatar" for minmatar fixing solutions and OT discussion. Oh hell, it's all offtopic.
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:26:00 - [42] Edited by: Trojanman190 on 08/08/2008 16:38:13 Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: Trojanman190 Originally by: Erocitnom 5x 180, 1 med neut 2x shield extender, mwd/disruptor 3x nano, 2x gyro kinetic/ambit extension warrior/ec-300 Dudes on the test server have been reporting that a single caracal ****S that set up. yeah right lol Can't find the post which means I will be testing it myself this weekend. I'll report back here when I do. You know, stab wounds, since I'm sure you are interested in doing something constructive, maybe you can be on the test server to watch it go down. Would that be to much for you to handle? Actually checking something out? Eve mail me in game if you think you are up to it and we will work out when we do it. I'll be online all weekend. Edit: With some fast eftage for 15 mil you can get a caracal with 215 dps, and 44k effective hp. A vagabond using the standard vagabond setup will be forced to run from that every single time. Won't die, but MUST run. With the speed nerf, it would be prety risky to let the shields get low because running is more costly time wise.
Ambrosious Martin Son of Man	Posted - 2008.08.08 18:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Gneeznow this is how you roll now I so see why you lost it in the first place!!
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.08 23:42:00 - [44] I know the ship will suck compaired to what was before but have a look at this fit. Lows 2 gyros 1 DCUII 1 overdrive II 1 nanofiber II Meds 10mn MWDII 10mn ABII Large cap battery II LSBII Highs 5x 180mm AC II 1 Light missile launcher II the logic behind it is that if they shut your MWD down you still can gain some speed with the AB while you ll be able to repair yourself for some time. You will still die probably but your gang may gain precious seconds to kill the other guys first. Commends?
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.08.10 00:52:00 - [45] Heavy Tackler: High: 5 x 180mm II Arbalest HAM Med: MWD II AB II Medium Cap Booster II Warp Scrambler II/ Disruptor II Low: Gyro II Med Armor Rep II EANM II Energized Reactive II Energized Magnetic II Rigs: Semiconductor Memory Cell I x 2 MWD into web range....switch to AB and tackle. Theory only. Cap size of 1317. 400ish DPS. Perma rep of 142DPS. Overheat the rep to 183 DPS. AB Armor Tank: High: 220mm II x 5 Named Nos Med: AB II Medium Cap Battery II Warp Scrambler II Web II or Cetus ECM burst for giggles Low: Med Armor Rep II EANM II Energized Reactive II Energized Magnetic II Gyro II or another EANM II for more resistance. Rigs: Projectile Collision Projectile Burst Same Armor Tank. 425ish DPS. 1853 Cap Battery. Theory ship. Discuss.
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.10 01:30:00 - [46] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. To bad AFs for one is getting a speed boost thanks to removal of 1/3 of their mass(on avarage people) ------------ When I became the sun, I shone life into the man¦s hearts.
Yelram Minmatar AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.08.10 07:37:00 - [47] This patch makes me want to cry. I just hit HAC V recently. AnTi.
RedMage Black Rabbits	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Yelram This patch makes me want to cry. I just hit HAC V recently. I decided to take a second Cruiser V instead.. now I'm glad that I did. Ruse, Fast, Stun, Lit4, Ultima
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:51:00 - [49] Originally by: Saltire Originally by: AstroPhobic Lets see... Slow? Check. No DPS? Check. No Tank? Check. Uses? learn to read, 'pick your targets' and why would I use a t2 HAC to kill industrials and mining cruisers?
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:05:00 - [50] it wont be popped by AF's atleast they will have a hard time coming in close enough to orbit since this Vaga can just hit keep at range and AB away causing transversal to become lower and simply pwn the AF's. It will however be pwned by a Hurricane :D
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:06:00 - [51] Originally by: Yelram This patch makes me want to cry. I just hit HAC V recently. Your tears... they are so sweet :D
AcheLone Caldari Pleasure Planets and Pie	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:08:00 - [52] before the nano craze, i remember fighting 2 vagabond in 2 different occasion (1 was in a corp i don't remember hmmm drunken something, uncle grannies whatever. other one is BoB). both are tanked with quite good firepower. at that time the match between us seem to be draw from the start due availability of my nos and he need to be close for their autocannon. the damage i'm doing (torpedoes raven) was comparable to him at that time. the percentage of our shield drop almost the same. i dunno how they setup their vagabond. vagabond might revert to this back eventually. it might not as good as nanoes, but maybe it will work in a role somewhere.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:21:00 - [53] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, ................. Hahahahaha And, .....and to top it off right...the Vaga uses AC's right, which DON'T USE CAP. Minni is pure win. --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.14 14:34:00 - [54] Originally by: Burn Mac It will however be pwned by a Hurricane :D It gets forced away by the Hurricane right now. Or outright killed if it decides it wants to stay for too long Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:14:00 - [55] Originally by: Saltire Originally by: AstroPhobic Lets see... Slow? Check. No DPS? Check. No Tank? Check. Uses? learn to read, 'pick your targets' QFT. It has to pick targets just like pilgrim has ever since nos+drone bay nerf. Now minmatar have a ship that needs to pick its targets. Welcome to my world. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:15:00 - [56] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Burn Mac It will however be pwned by a Hurricane :D It gets forced away by the Hurricane right now. Or outright killed if it decides it wants to stay for too long Harbinger face ****s zealot too. Whats your point? This is old news that BCs own HACs. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:15:00 - [57] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer QFT. It has to pick targets just like pilgrim has ever since nos+drone bay nerf. Now minmatar have a ship that needs to pick its targets. Welcome to my world. The big difference is both the vaga and muninn will be worthless postpatch, the curse can STILL neut. Anyway comparing HACs to recons never works.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:21:00 - [58] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Lyria Skydancer QFT. It has to pick targets just like pilgrim has ever since nos+drone bay nerf. Now minmatar have a ship that needs to pick its targets. Welcome to my world. The big difference is both the vaga and muninn will be worthless postpatch, the curse can STILL neut. Anyway comparing HACs to recons never works. Ya, but if Lyria compared to Amarr HAC's, they'd still be good and he couldn't make his point that Amarr still need mucho buf***e.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:23:00 - [59] I know, and this is why I point it out. By the way I 'd at the sensor, did a double take, couldn't figure out what word it was and had to check the quote to see.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:26:00 - [60] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Lyria Skydancer QFT. It has to pick targets just like pilgrim has ever since nos+drone bay nerf. Now minmatar have a ship that needs to pick its targets. Welcome to my world. The big difference is both the vaga and muninn will be worthless postpatch, the curse can STILL neut. Anyway comparing HACs to recons never works. The gimped state of the curse will be revealed when nano is nerfed. Without nano'ing a curse its a sitting duck with no tank and with barely cap to run its ew. Forget running any kind of tank, shield or armor, if youre trying to even run 1-2 neuts. Its a fail boat because ccp BROKE it at the same time they broke pilgrim. It just wasnt obvious when it still had nano option. So yeah, amarr will have 2 useless recons after patch. Welcome to my world. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage

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