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Saltire System-Lords	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:37:00 - [1] so everyone is crying about how much minnie will suck after the patch, i looked at the char dates and realised the winer are all nubs from 06/07 who have no clue about minnie except that they got a fast ship and now it has a counter... Ladies and Gents, if i may, I give you : the 2003-2005 vaga of ultimate destiny! 5 x 220mm t2 1 x misc 1 x gistii a-type small booster 1 x invuln t2 1 x point 1 x 10mn ab 3 x gyro 2 x tracking enhancer 5 x ecm drones rigs? well we never had them back in the day but i guess 2 falloff rigs wouldnt hurt to get barrage hitting further out. This is how the real 0.0 roamers did it before nanos and rigs, its just been brought back to life by the speed nerf. Pros - still fast but with a nice low sig, lower orbit speed = more hits, 3 x gyros = more dps, ab = low cap use, speed is still fast enough to avoid a lot of tracking. the gistii give you a nice extended time in combat. Cons - Ships have more hp now than they used to so take longer to kill, you wont beat a drake, webs will kill you. tactics - PICK YOUR TARGETS! solo cruisers and frigate gangs are easy meat for this, BC's are good fodder also (not drakes or missile feroxes), it can kill other HACs (maybe not ishtar). when fighting frigs (if they are stupid enough to swarm you) fly in a straight line and pop them as they approach
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:40:00 - [2] Maybe I'm just not seeing something, but looks to me like your days are numbered flying that ship in 0.0.
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:41:00 - [3] Edited by: Elhina Novae on 07/08/2008 21:43:12 Vagabond post-patch: Fittings: Same as pre-patch or go crazy fit an Afterburner and go into webrange! ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
Ihrda Siharkhail Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:43:00 - [4] it looks awsome, until anything that has a mwd tackles it and r*pes it.
Saltire System-Lords	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Boz Well Maybe I'm just not seeing something, but looks to me like your days are numbered flying that ship in 0.0. if you mean vs a blob (read pick your targets part), if you mean its to slow to get past a gate camp (smart pilots use scouts)
Saltire System-Lords	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:44:00 - [6] Edited by: Saltire on 07/08/2008 21:44:48 Originally by: Ihrda Siharkhail it looks awsome, until anything that has a mwd tackles it and r*pes it. Anything with an MWD being a frigate or a nano vaga, both have to slow down to avoid overshooting and die to the tripple gyros :-) i let you have that, since you probaly havnt been in game long enough to know what these can do, i hope dirtball reads this thread, he was a master with these.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:44:00 - [7] Lets see... Slow? Check. No DPS? Check. No Tank? Check. Uses?
Saltire System-Lords	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:45:00 - [8] Originally by: AstroPhobic Lets see... Slow? Check. No DPS? Check. No Tank? Check. Uses? learn to read, 'pick your targets'
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Saltire ... It will get ****d by your average rupture. "picking your targets" isn't a use. You have to do this with every ship you fly.
Saltire System-Lords	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:47:00 - [10] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Saltire ... It will get ****d by your average rupture. "picking your targets" isn't a use. You have to do this with every ship you fly. goes to show how much you know....
Saltire System-Lords	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:49:00 - [11] Edited by: Saltire on 07/08/2008 21:49:56 i get it that people of eves new breed dont understand that you can still win, even if you dont do 5k. but please unless you have something constructive to add, please dont reply.
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:53:00 - [12] this is how you roll now
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:53:00 - [13] Originally by: AstroPhobic Lets see... Slow? Check. No DPS? Check. No Tank? Check. Uses? Damn horrible nano is in balance with everything else in game comforts ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb
Saltire System-Lords	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Gneeznow this is how you roll now hmm, i think you could be onto something, epic setup tbfh
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 21:58:00 - [15] Originally by: Saltire goes to show how much you know.... I'm sorry, your vagabond that is -slower than my rupture, -has less DPS than my rupture, -and a worse tank than my rupture ..will obviously win. Get your head out of your ass and get this information through your thick skull. AB Vaga is worthless. If you think otherwise, you really need to re-consider your future in this game.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Saltire Originally by: AstroPhobic Lets see... Slow? Check. No DPS? Check. No Tank? Check. Uses? learn to read, 'pick your targets' [Apocalypse, pvp] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating I Adaptive Nano Plating I Adaptive Nano Plating I Adaptive Nano Plating I Small Shield Booster II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Limited Neutron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M Anode Neutron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M Gatling Modulated Energy Beam I, Multifrequency S Dual Afocal Pulse Maser I, Multifrequency S 1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L 1200mm Heavy Carbine Howitzer I, EMP L 1400mm 'Scout' Artillery I, EMP L [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] pick your targets just because you pick your targets dosent mean its not a bad fit
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:07:00 - [17] Vaga vs bubble camp.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.07 22:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Arvald ... Needs more missiles/hull repairers captain
Erocitnom	Posted - 2008.08.08 00:03:00 - [19] 5x 180, 1 med neut 2x shield extender, mwd/disruptor 3x nano, 2x gyro kinetic/ambit extension warrior/ec-300
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments EVESpace	Posted - 2008.08.08 00:05:00 - [20] In all honesty I'd rather fly an Ishtar and MWD away while my drones and rails pick off my target. But seriously, more people should have some type of spacer in their sigs to show it's not part of the post.
NateX The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.08 00:06:00 - [21] skip a extender and fit a discruptor and scrambler.. or something? --
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.08 00:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Gneeznow this is how you roll now Stylin'.
kessah Suicidal Tendencies Ltd	Posted - 2008.08.08 00:36:00 - [23] Vagabond wernt around in 2003 Someone had to say it
Sani Ka THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.08.08 07:54:00 - [24] Originally by: kessah Vagabond wernt around in 2003 Someone had to say it lol also at the op, the game climate and what you are flying against/highly likely to run into make setups from back then highly unlikely to meet with success. If this concept is to hard for you to grasp and you come back with some pick your targets bs..... well then wow is all I can say and can I recommend these glasses, they help with tunnel vision Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.08.08 08:14:00 - [25] I'll trade my Vagas for 3 Drakes each, thank you ... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.08.08 08:30:00 - [26] the OPs vaga fit is bit LOL the normal dual LSE one would be still way better than that ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
Anubis Xian Reavers	Posted - 2008.08.08 08:30:00 - [27] Vagas will be pretty affordable after the Speed Limit Age...I might have to get one for the first time ever. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. I'm the Juggernaut, *****!
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.08.08 09:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Anubis Xian Vagas will be pretty affordable after the Speed Limit Age...I might have to get one for the first time ever. AFs will be more useful for PVP ... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Miss Rumpelstilzchen Minmatar Black Horizon Ltd	Posted - 2008.08.08 09:12:00 - [29] @ OP your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af
DeathsEmbrace Minmatar The Renegades Asylum DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.08.08 10:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. To live is to die, and to die is to give life. Thus pain is a form of euphoria.
Ihrda Siharkhail Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.08.08 10:47:00 - [31] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. get off eft, the vaga does nowhere near 650dps in a real fight.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.08.08 11:07:00 - [32] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. I smell eft warrior!
Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.08.08 11:24:00 - [33] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, sigh, another 'tard who does not know the mechanics of optimal and falloff (and where the Vaga hits most of the time). Quote: with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not even a t1 frig that doesn't move will "insta pop" ... Quote: Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. it will also prove once again that your EFT skills mean nothing. ;-) Quote: To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. Let's talk about this again in 2-3 months when the KBs will be full of Vaga loss mails to 2 ceptors or AFs and then Vagas will begin to disappear from KBs... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Miss Rumpelstilzchen Minmatar Black Horizon Ltd	Posted - 2008.08.08 11:27:00 - [34] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. lol lol.. just try a EFT warrior setup with this DPS... [Vagabond, test] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M 425mm AutoCannon II, Hail M Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Bloodclaw Light Missile Projectile Collision Accelerator I [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5 All skills 5 + you need a PG implant without drons it have around 550 dps @ 1,9km WTS clue
Riho Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.08.08 11:34:00 - [35] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. stop sniffing paint while playing whit eft... no vaga will do 650 DPS in a real fight... lmfao.. the stupidity of eft warriors ---------------------------------- Fighting for Minmatar o7 Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
RedMage Black Rabbits	Posted - 2008.08.08 12:45:00 - [36] Edited by: RedMage on 08/08/2008 12:45:40 /silly dont flame.. high:blank Mid: 3 Cap Recharger II's Mid: 1 100mn MWD Low: 2 Overdrive II's 1 IStab II's 2 RCU II's I'll test it when i get home from work, but it's probably the last bastion of immitation speed the poor ship will get and take longer than a BS to align. Ruse, Fast, Stun, Lit4, Ultima
Chr0nosX Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.08.08 12:59:00 - [37] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. The ships tracking bonus?
Megan Maynard Minmatar 7th Cav	Posted - 2008.08.08 13:28:00 - [38] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. YEAH. Rupture does 500 DPS with some skills, vaga doesn't touch 650, and I'm not sure what you are smoking.
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.08 15:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Erocitnom 5x 180, 1 med neut 2x shield extender, mwd/disruptor 3x nano, 2x gyro kinetic/ambit extension warrior/ec-300 Dudes on the test server have been reporting that a single caracal ****S that set up.
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Trojanman190 Originally by: Erocitnom 5x 180, 1 med neut 2x shield extender, mwd/disruptor 3x nano, 2x gyro kinetic/ambit extension warrior/ec-300 Dudes on the test server have been reporting that a single caracal ****S that set up. yeah right lol
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:26:00 - [41] Originally by: Stab Wounds I fly vagabonds lolololol Stay out of this thread. AstroPhobic starts to hang up chains of garlic drenched in holy water __________________________________________ Join channel "Salvage Minmatar" for minmatar fixing solutions and OT discussion. Oh hell, it's all offtopic.
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.08 16:26:00 - [42] Edited by: Trojanman190 on 08/08/2008 16:38:13 Originally by: Stab Wounds Originally by: Trojanman190 Originally by: Erocitnom 5x 180, 1 med neut 2x shield extender, mwd/disruptor 3x nano, 2x gyro kinetic/ambit extension warrior/ec-300 Dudes on the test server have been reporting that a single caracal ****S that set up. yeah right lol Can't find the post which means I will be testing it myself this weekend. I'll report back here when I do. You know, stab wounds, since I'm sure you are interested in doing something constructive, maybe you can be on the test server to watch it go down. Would that be to much for you to handle? Actually checking something out? Eve mail me in game if you think you are up to it and we will work out when we do it. I'll be online all weekend. Edit: With some fast eftage for 15 mil you can get a caracal with 215 dps, and 44k effective hp. A vagabond using the standard vagabond setup will be forced to run from that every single time. Won't die, but MUST run. With the speed nerf, it would be prety risky to let the shields get low because running is more costly time wise.
Ambrosious Martin Son of Man	Posted - 2008.08.08 18:14:00 - [43] Originally by: Gneeznow this is how you roll now I so see why you lost it in the first place!!
Zaran Darkstar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.08 23:42:00 - [44] I know the ship will suck compaired to what was before but have a look at this fit. Lows 2 gyros 1 DCUII 1 overdrive II 1 nanofiber II Meds 10mn MWDII 10mn ABII Large cap battery II LSBII Highs 5x 180mm AC II 1 Light missile launcher II the logic behind it is that if they shut your MWD down you still can gain some speed with the AB while you ll be able to repair yourself for some time. You will still die probably but your gang may gain precious seconds to kill the other guys first. Commends?
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.08.10 00:52:00 - [45] Heavy Tackler: High: 5 x 180mm II Arbalest HAM Med: MWD II AB II Medium Cap Booster II Warp Scrambler II/ Disruptor II Low: Gyro II Med Armor Rep II EANM II Energized Reactive II Energized Magnetic II Rigs: Semiconductor Memory Cell I x 2 MWD into web range....switch to AB and tackle. Theory only. Cap size of 1317. 400ish DPS. Perma rep of 142DPS. Overheat the rep to 183 DPS. AB Armor Tank: High: 220mm II x 5 Named Nos Med: AB II Medium Cap Battery II Warp Scrambler II Web II or Cetus ECM burst for giggles Low: Med Armor Rep II EANM II Energized Reactive II Energized Magnetic II Gyro II or another EANM II for more resistance. Rigs: Projectile Collision Projectile Burst Same Armor Tank. 425ish DPS. 1853 Cap Battery. Theory ship. Discuss.
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.10 01:30:00 - [46] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Originally by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen your vaga will be killd by a 1 or 2 AF, or a Crusader. with the settings on sisi, your not able to track this tiny little Frigs.. so well but, have fun to pop your 120m Vaga to a 20m Ceptor / Af Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, the relatively low speeds of all targets after the patch, your af's are gonna insta pop. Not to mention that under web the vaga will still equal your transverse speeds. A point to all the above that haven't yet gained the experiance to understand that theres more to fighting than orbit, f1-f6/8. Learn to play with transversals to maxmise you hit rate, the only good thing I think this nerph is gonna do is seperate the nubs that auto fly/fight ("orbit, f1-f6/8") from those that can fly/fight skillfully. To the op i'd be inclined to remove the TE's for TC's with tracking scripts. More tracking less optimal added (means frigs can't get under your guns). But then again the standard version of the vaga will still work just its a little more vunerable. To bad AFs for one is getting a speed boost thanks to removal of 1/3 of their mass(on avarage people) ------------ When I became the sun, I shone life into the man¦s hearts.
Yelram Minmatar AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.08.10 07:37:00 - [47] This patch makes me want to cry. I just hit HAC V recently. AnTi.
RedMage Black Rabbits	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Yelram This patch makes me want to cry. I just hit HAC V recently. I decided to take a second Cruiser V instead.. now I'm glad that I did. Ruse, Fast, Stun, Lit4, Ultima
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:51:00 - [49] Originally by: Saltire Originally by: AstroPhobic Lets see... Slow? Check. No DPS? Check. No Tank? Check. Uses? learn to read, 'pick your targets' and why would I use a t2 HAC to kill industrials and mining cruisers?
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:05:00 - [50] it wont be popped by AF's atleast they will have a hard time coming in close enough to orbit since this Vaga can just hit keep at range and AB away causing transversal to become lower and simply pwn the AF's. It will however be pwned by a Hurricane :D
Burn Mac Minmatar Burning Steel Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:06:00 - [51] Originally by: Yelram This patch makes me want to cry. I just hit HAC V recently. Your tears... they are so sweet :D
AcheLone Caldari Pleasure Planets and Pie	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:08:00 - [52] before the nano craze, i remember fighting 2 vagabond in 2 different occasion (1 was in a corp i don't remember hmmm drunken something, uncle grannies whatever. other one is BoB). both are tanked with quite good firepower. at that time the match between us seem to be draw from the start due availability of my nos and he need to be close for their autocannon. the damage i'm doing (torpedoes raven) was comparable to him at that time. the percentage of our shield drop almost the same. i dunno how they setup their vagabond. vagabond might revert to this back eventually. it might not as good as nanoes, but maybe it will work in a role somewhere.
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:21:00 - [53] Originally by: DeathsEmbrace Wrong. With three gyro's a good vaga pilot puts out the best part of 650dps, with the ships tracking bonus, ................. Hahahahaha And, .....and to top it off right...the Vaga uses AC's right, which DON'T USE CAP. Minni is pure win. --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.14 14:34:00 - [54] Originally by: Burn Mac It will however be pwned by a Hurricane :D It gets forced away by the Hurricane right now. Or outright killed if it decides it wants to stay for too long Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:14:00 - [55] Originally by: Saltire Originally by: AstroPhobic Lets see... Slow? Check. No DPS? Check. No Tank? Check. Uses? learn to read, 'pick your targets' QFT. It has to pick targets just like pilgrim has ever since nos+drone bay nerf. Now minmatar have a ship that needs to pick its targets. Welcome to my world. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:15:00 - [56] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Burn Mac It will however be pwned by a Hurricane :D It gets forced away by the Hurricane right now. Or outright killed if it decides it wants to stay for too long Harbinger face ****s zealot too. Whats your point? This is old news that BCs own HACs. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:15:00 - [57] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer QFT. It has to pick targets just like pilgrim has ever since nos+drone bay nerf. Now minmatar have a ship that needs to pick its targets. Welcome to my world. The big difference is both the vaga and muninn will be worthless postpatch, the curse can STILL neut. Anyway comparing HACs to recons never works.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:21:00 - [58] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Lyria Skydancer QFT. It has to pick targets just like pilgrim has ever since nos+drone bay nerf. Now minmatar have a ship that needs to pick its targets. Welcome to my world. The big difference is both the vaga and muninn will be worthless postpatch, the curse can STILL neut. Anyway comparing HACs to recons never works. Ya, but if Lyria compared to Amarr HAC's, they'd still be good and he couldn't make his point that Amarr still need mucho buf***e.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:23:00 - [59] I know, and this is why I point it out. By the way I 'd at the sensor, did a double take, couldn't figure out what word it was and had to check the quote to see.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:26:00 - [60] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Lyria Skydancer QFT. It has to pick targets just like pilgrim has ever since nos+drone bay nerf. Now minmatar have a ship that needs to pick its targets. Welcome to my world. The big difference is both the vaga and muninn will be worthless postpatch, the curse can STILL neut. Anyway comparing HACs to recons never works. The gimped state of the curse will be revealed when nano is nerfed. Without nano'ing a curse its a sitting duck with no tank and with barely cap to run its ew. Forget running any kind of tank, shield or armor, if youre trying to even run 1-2 neuts. Its a fail boat because ccp BROKE it at the same time they broke pilgrim. It just wasnt obvious when it still had nano option. So yeah, amarr will have 2 useless recons after patch. Welcome to my world. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:27:00 - [61] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 14/08/2008 15:27:36 Will trade 2 worthless hacs and one worthless recon for 2 good hacs. Plox. edit: and good battleships, and a good carrier, and a good dreadnaught...
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:30:00 - [62] Originally by: AstroPhobic Edited by: AstroPhobic on 14/08/2008 15:27:36 Will trade 2 worthless hacs and one worthless recon for 2 good hacs. Plox. edit: and good battleships, and a good carrier, and a good dreadnaught... There is nothing wrong with maelstrom and phoon and alot of other cruiser and frig class ships. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:38:00 - [63] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There is nothing wrong with maelstrom and phoon and alot of other cruiser and frig class ships. Nope, but there's a problem with projectiles.
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:41:00 - [64] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There is nothing wrong with maelstrom and phoon and alot of other cruiser and frig class ships. Nope, but there's a problem with projectiles. Haven't projectiles been the same for like 5 years? why would ccp change them now? because you whine loud?
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:43:00 - [65] Originally by: Stab Wounds Haven't projectiles been the same for like 5 years? why would ccp change them now? because you whine loud? Autocannons were never dominant, and artillery was only good until the HP boost patch. The weapons haven't changed, the game has changed around them. You haven't been around long enough to remember multispec ECM and nos tempests, minmatar were "trick" ships.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 15:59:00 - [66] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Stab Wounds Haven't projectiles been the same for like 5 years? why would ccp change them now? because you whine loud? Autocannons were never dominant, and artillery was only good until the HP boost patch. The weapons haven't changed, the game has changed around them. You haven't been around long enough to remember multispec ECM and nos tempests, minmatar were "trick" ships. Guess it goes to show how much attention people pay to the tempest thread and the others, lol. The evolution from tricky to crappy has been explained numerous times . Basically, it's as Astro said, but as the tricks have disappeared, Matar are left with subclass tanks and damage, relatively meaningless alpha post hp boost, and all we get for it is capless (which is a benefit, but a relatively minor one). The weapons haven't changed, but the tricks have, and that's the problem. It adds up to they need something boosting them.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:17:00 - [67] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There is nothing wrong with maelstrom and phoon and alot of other cruiser and frig class ships. Nope, but there's a problem with projectiles. So you want to "fix" projectiles so these above named ships can become overpowered after "fix"? Good plan :-) ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:19:00 - [68] Edited by: AstroPhobic on 14/08/2008 16:19:42 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer So you want to "fix" projectiles so these above named ships can become overpowered after "fix"? Good plan :-) Nothing short of what you want from amarr. They won't be overpowered anyway.
Boz Well Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.14 16:20:00 - [69] Matar have a ways to go before they become overpowered.
Trojanman190 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.08.14 18:53:00 - [70] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There is nothing wrong with maelstrom and phoon and alot of other cruiser and frig class ships. Nope, but there's a problem with projectiles. So you want to "fix" projectiles so these above named ships can become overpowered after "fix"? Good plan :-) Everytime Lyria wants a chance he's 'balancing' Any time someone else wants a change, they are trying to make their stuff overpowered. Basically, if you don't do things his way, you are wrong.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.08.15 07:19:00 - [71] Originally by: Trojanman190 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Lyria Skydancer There is nothing wrong with maelstrom and phoon and alot of other cruiser and frig class ships. Nope, but there's a problem with projectiles. So you want to "fix" projectiles so these above named ships can become overpowered after "fix"? Good plan :-) Everytime Lyria wants a chance he's 'balancing' Any time someone else wants a change, they are trying to make their stuff overpowered. Basically, if you don't do things his way, you are wrong. Maybe you'd want to explain the logic behind how Balanced Ship A + Broken weapons B = Fine and after fix of broken weapons B same Ship A + Fixed (better) weapons B = Fine aswell and not overpowered? ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.15 11:00:00 - [72] Originally by: Trojanman190 Everytime Lyria wants a chance he's 'balancing' Any time someone else wants a change, they are trying to make their stuff overpowered. Basically, if you don't do things his way, you are wrong. It works like this... People want broken ships etc fixed... If it's not anything to do with Amarr - Lyria opposes all the ideas and say 'overpowered'. If it's to do with Amarr fixes - then Lyria says 'thats ok!!'.. Thats how we balance... Keep up mate. --------- If the Thorax was a car it would look like this
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.15 11:06:00 - [73] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Maybe you'd want to explain the logic behind how Balanced Ship A + Broken weapons B = Fine and after fix of broken weapons B same Ship A + Fixed (better) weapons B = Fine and balanced with Amarr. That's the logic, yes Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint

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