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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:17:00 -
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 Originally by: 7shining7one7
hehe you don't get it the irony i take it, let me spell it out for you then..
1. you get promoted on the basis of your boss accepting constructive critisism..
2. then you quit the job and make your own business where you turn into a nasi employeer who runs it with meglomaniacal tendencies.
3. fast forward, this post, this guy looses his job.. because he in a private venue probably in good humor or whatever, said where he worked was a shithole.. he didn't say it to his employer he said it to a friend, had he wanted to talk to his employeer about it he would probably also say well this is how we can do it better..
Nop, you got it all backwards.
1. I got promoted on the basis of what I knew to do IN SPITE of my boss hating my guts already
2. I was an extremely laid-back employer, if anything I was way too lenient and friendly with all my employees
3. He did NOT talk to somebody privately. He POSTED in a PUBLIC place, and I seriously doubt he meant it jokingly.
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:19:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: 7shining7one7
as much as i disagree with dietrich at times, i'm going to agree with him on this one. allthough, there is a very fine line between being a teamplayer and a self righteous manipulative persecutor, maybe even for your own amusement.. and sometimes the line gets a little blurry at times for some.
Doesn't being self-righteous and manipulative suggest a boss on a power trip more than a team player? Last time I checked, being a team player involved getting along with other people, and that doesn't sound like a good way to do it. 
hehe what i mean tarminic is that sometimes some people will hang out other ppl to dry or rat ppl out, justifying it with being a teamplayer.. while doing so with their own motives.. if anything it's that kind of ppl you as the ceo will want to have a serious talk with and look out for.. the persecutor type.. they're like a f'ing plague for job satisfaction. normal disgruntled employees.. you know.. if they doing their job.. and they feeling disgruntled.. have a talk with them about it and sort it out instead of going all nasi on them.. work out the problems that are there.. what can we do to make things better for you here.. and what are you willing to do for us if we do this for you.. might even turn a lazy worker into a f'ing miracle maker.. happened plenty of times before.. sometimes it takes soo little.. and then f'ing bang.. productivity and creativity like you never expected..
but if you are going to be a teamplayer nasi about it.. then you could just fire the guy instantly and hire a new one.. and have to reintegrate that guy into the team.. and you know.. a lot of ppl flying in and out of a corporation does in itself give a bad rep.. if you don't end things well but instead say **** off.. you fail.. then if it's image you're worried about, then that's exactly what you should never ever do.. cause those ppl will go out and talk all the f'ing shit about that company like you wouldn't believe.. cause they were treated like shit.
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:20:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Tarminic
Doesn't being self-righteous and manipulative suggest a boss on a power trip more than a team player? Last time I checked, being a team player involved getting along with other people, and that doesn't sound like a good way to do it.
Self righteousness and manipulative can come in employee form too, ESPECIALLY employee form that want's to move up in the chain and doesn't have an issue with crushing a few ants along the way.
We also don't know many factors of the OP being fired. Was the manager horrible? Fellow Employees? Did he not like his position? Or maybe he's a habitual offender and this was the straw on the camels back? Were there conflicts (well I'm thinking that's a big duh)? All we have is a single piece to a very big puzzle.
yeah that's what i was referring to dietrich.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:31:00 -
[34]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Tarminic
Doesn't being self-righteous and manipulative suggest a boss on a power trip more than a team player? Last time I checked, being a team player involved getting along with other people, and that doesn't sound like a good way to do it.
Self righteousness and manipulative can come in employee form too, ESPECIALLY employee form that want's to move up in the chain and doesn't have an issue with crushing a few ants along the way.
We also don't know many factors of the OP being fired. Was the manager horrible? Fellow Employees? Did he not like his position? Or maybe he's a habitual offender and this was the straw on the camels back? Were there conflicts (well I'm thinking that's a big duh)? All we have is a single piece to a very big puzzle.
yeah that's what i was referring to dietrich.
Weird...maybe I've just been insulated from this in Software Development, but I've never been in a situation where a tactic like that could really work. Then again, the CTO of the company keeps good records of everyone's activities so if someone wanted to lie/manipulate him in order to advance his own agenda he'd have to hack into the CTO's computer and hack the server/network/activity logs. If he's willing to do that, then damn, nothing's going to stop him from taking my job.
The biggest problem I've experience working in a software development team is the "cowboy coder," mentality where people don't want to share responsibility just because coding on their own is easier. It usually bites them in the arse pretty quickly though.
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Fraszoid
Caldari
Condottieri Industries
The Economy
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:35:00 -
[35]
Wow is sucks that you got fired off just a little post on the internet. I was working in auditing and found several people who were overstating their travel claims, costing the company several thousand a week. Most will probably get off with a slap on the wrist or maybe laid off for 2 weeks at most.
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5pinDizzy
Amarr
Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:38:00 -
[36]
Watch out guiz!
Don't post your mind on the internets wiv ur real name/photo!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:43:00 -
[37]
The thing that amazes me most is that somehow people still consider posting something on the internet using their names/photo/other identifiable information as being any different than stating it officially.
Would you say that in public, you wouldn't be surprised.
Say it on a TV camera, no surprise there.
Interview on the radio or a post in the newspaper, no problem.
But post it on a social networking site, and you should be immune from what you just said ?
Mind-blowingly stupid.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:48:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Tarminic
Weird...maybe I've just been insulated from this in Software Development, but I've never been in a situation where a tactic like that could really work. Then again, the CTO of the company keeps good records of everyone's activities so if someone wanted to lie/manipulate him in order to advance his own agenda he'd have to hack into the CTO's computer and hack the server/network/activity logs. If he's willing to do that, then damn, nothing's going to stop him from taking my job.
The biggest problem I've experience working in a software development team is the "cowboy coder," mentality where people don't want to share responsibility just because coding on their own is easier. It usually bites them in the arse pretty quickly though.
Used to run rampant when I first started here. When I made management there were two of us per shift. My co-manager took every oppurtunity to try to stab me in the back and make himself look better but our crew was always on my side.
One of my employees was also a Word and Excel genius and would create spreadsheets and labels only to have a manager on the weekday day shift steal his ideas and claim them as her own in which I sent many complaints on that. That same day shift manager also tried to run my shift as well which I was not fond of.
So in all I've learned to watch my back but that also doesn't mean to trust no one. My crew as a whole was able to pump out more data with fewer people/hours than any other 2 shifts combined because we took teamplay to a whole other level.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:50:00 -
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This is why I will never, NEVER get a myspace account.
Whatever happened work and a persons personal life being kept seperate? Its not like these individuals are posting the blogs while at work or talking about how bad the company is while on the clock.
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:51:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Tarminic
Weird...maybe I've just been insulated from this in Software Development, but I've never been in a situation where a tactic like that could really work. Then again, the CTO of the company keeps good records of everyone's activities so if someone wanted to lie/manipulate him in order to advance his own agenda he'd have to hack into the CTO's computer and hack the server/network/activity logs. If he's willing to do that, then damn, nothing's going to stop him from taking my job.
The biggest problem I've experience working in a software development team is the "cowboy coder," mentality where people don't want to share responsibility just because coding on their own is easier. It usually bites them in the arse pretty quickly though.
Used to run rampant when I first started here. When I made management there were two of us per shift. My co-manager took every oppurtunity to try to stab me in the back and make himself look better but our crew was always on my side.
One of my employees was also a Word and Excel genius and would create spreadsheets and labels only to have a manager on the weekday day shift steal his ideas and claim them as her own in which I sent many complaints on that. That same day shift manager also tried to run my shift as well which I was not fond of.
So in all I've learned to watch my back but that also doesn't mean to trust no one. My crew as a whole was able to pump out more data with fewer people/hours than any other 2 shifts combined because we took teamplay to a whole other level.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:51:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 11/08/2008 21:57:55
Originally by: Martin Mckenna
Edited by: Martin Mckenna on 11/08/2008 19:57:40
Ok so basicaly im getting fired from my work because i posted a comment on someone else's social networking page saying i hated the place and it was a shithole.
My boss then somehow found this (dont ****ing ask i think someone gave him a link) and apparently hes going to fire me becuase im giving the company bad press on the internet
Heres the climax
I work in a fish and chip shop.
Is this ******ed or what?
An an employer, you wouldn't be getting fired. It would have been immediate.
Consider yourself lucky that your employer will not sue you for libel. I would have, if the social networking site involved any potential customer base, and in such posts you could be identified as an employee.
You got the better end of the deal. Be happy about it.
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:52:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
This is why I will never, NEVER get a myspace account.
Whatever happened work and a persons personal life being kept seperate? Its not like these individuals are posting the blogs while at work or talking about how bad the company is while on the clock.
and this.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:53:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
This is why I will never, NEVER get a myspace account.
Whatever happened work and a persons personal life being kept seperate? Its not like these individuals are posting the blogs while at work or talking about how bad the company is while on the clock.
Well actually in the case that I know he did post it while at work. We used myspace in the building to socialize in between breaks.
Of course in the case I know of the guy was a repeat offender too that had to be spoken to on many occasions. He was also the manager for weekday swing so his attitude could greatly affect those working under him.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:03:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 11/08/2008 22:03:55
Originally by: Jacob Mei
This is why I will never, NEVER get a myspace account.
Whatever happened work and a persons personal life being kept separate? Its not like these individuals are posting the blogs while at work or talking about how bad the company is while on the clock.
When someone crosses the line of slander and libel, then it gets serious. If someone is identifying their self as an employee of such a business, then he is making himself a representative of the business and is responsible what whatever is posted. The problem with small businesses, is that they do not have employees sign even the most simple non-disclosure agreements. Slander, libel and misrepresentation can exist without a non-disclosure agreement, but such an agreement specifically spells out what someone can and can not do and the consequences.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:42:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 11/08/2008 21:57:55
Originally by: Martin Mckenna
Edited by: Martin Mckenna on 11/08/2008 19:57:40
Ok so basicaly im getting fired from my work because i posted a comment on someone else's social networking page saying i hated the place and it was a shithole.
My boss then somehow found this (dont ****ing ask i think someone gave him a link) and apparently hes going to fire me becuase im giving the company bad press on the internet
Heres the climax
I work in a fish and chip shop.
Is this ******ed or what?
An an employer, you wouldn't be getting fired. It would have been immediate.
Consider yourself lucky that your employer will not sue you for libel. I would have, if the social networking site involved any potential customer base, and in such posts you could be identified as an employee.
You got the better end of the deal. Be happy about it.
So if someone complains that they had a bad day at work and mentions which company they work for their considered libel and thus may be terminated? If thats the case we would be all out of work as its a sure thing everyone of us has had a crap day at work one day and told their friend/spouce/family/insert third party label here about it.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:46:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
So if someone complains that they had a bad day at work and mentions which company they work for their considered libel and thus may be terminated? If thats the case we would be all out of work as its a sure thing everyone of us has had a crap day at work one day and told their friend/spouce/family/insert third party label here about it.
But did you post it on a giant billboard?
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:48:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Jacob Mei
This is why I will never, NEVER get a myspace account.
Whatever happened work and a persons personal life being kept seperate? Its not like these individuals are posting the blogs while at work or talking about how bad the company is while on the clock.
Well actually in the case that I know he did post it while at work. We used myspace in the building to socialize in between breaks.
Of course in the case I know of the guy was a repeat offender too that had to be spoken to on many occasions. He was also the manager for weekday swing so his attitude could greatly affect those working under him.
In that instance I would agree with you, but if the individual is talking about his day while not on the property of the work place you cant expect them to keep quiet.
If its trade secrets its one thing but if its just talking about their day then come on, considering firing someone over them talking about there day is more damaging to the company than to the individual who may be terminated.
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:51:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Jacob Mei
So if someone complains that they had a bad day at work and mentions which company they work for their considered libel and thus may be terminated? If thats the case we would be all out of work as its a sure thing everyone of us has had a crap day at work one day and told their friend/spouce/family/insert third party label here about it.
But did you post it on a giant billboard?
Well let me ask you this, would you stop eating at say Mcdonalds if you read the following on a myspace page:
I just got off of work at mcdonalds and I swear I hate my manager. He only got to his position by sleeping with the the regional manager! God why cant people make up their minds over what they want on their @#$^% big mac!
If anything you would tell the poster to take a chill pill and the next day enjoy a big mac regardless if you read this on a bill board or community forum.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:00:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
So if someone complains that they had a bad day at work and mentions which company they work for their considered libel and thus may be terminated? If thats the case we would be all out of work as its a sure thing everyone of us has had a crap day at work one day and told their friend/spouce/family/insert third party label here about it.
I was responded to the part where he said the _food establishment_ was a "shithole." I didn't say everything was slander or libel. However, it was evident from the OP, he said some very mean things about his employer and or business, not what his day was like.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:01:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
In that instance I would agree with you, but if the individual is talking about his day while not on the property of the work place you cant expect them to keep quiet.
If its trade secrets its one thing but if its just talking about their day then come on, considering firing someone over them talking about there day is more damaging to the company than to the individual who may be terminated.
But again we do not know how much was said or what prior events have transpired here.
We don't know if he was a good employee or bad. What is his attendance and attitude like at work?
We don't know if other events have taken place. Has he been talked to? Has he been written up? Or does he and his manager just not get along?
As a manager you have to make these kinds of calls and in small business's it can mean a huge difference in profit. Saying you had a bad day is one thing. Saying your job is shit and writing a blog about it is another. People will read it and say 'I don't want to go eat there'. That company now loses money (which in turn may eventually lead to being laid off anyways).
As a company your goal is to attract customers. As you gain more customers you make more profit. More profit allows you to expand.
As an employee your a part of that process. Your actions voice an opinion in the reaction of the customer. If you do poorly, so will your business.
I would also like to point out that the food industry is a fast, stressful, and high action business and not made for everyone.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:05:00 -
[51]
Heh, when I was job hunting, the job-hunting websites kept giving me the same bits of advice. Favourite among them:
What your friends can see on the internet, everyone can see. And whats more? Its there forever. Don't say things on Facebook you wouldn't want your employer, your grandchildren, and future historians to see.
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:07:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
I just got off of work at mcdonalds and I swear I hate my manager. He only got to his position by sleeping with the the regional manager! God why cant people make up their minds over what they want on their @#$^% big mac!
If anything you would tell the poster to take a chill pill and the next day enjoy a big mac regardless if you read this on a bill board or community forum.
If your post could easily identify the manager, then the manager might have a legal beef with you because your statement could impact his professional status, and you would also be implying that two employees broke company rules (that I would assume exist) regarding the proper way of promotion. Plus, you open yourself up to libel if it is not true. So - both people may have a legal interest in what you post, however small. If you went to a community website, posted their names, where they work, their place of business, then their legal interest would be much higher.
The best thing really, is to leave work - at work, and not post it on a searchable and archived database (the internet).
The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it. |
Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:19:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Jacob Mei
In that instance I would agree with you, but if the individual is talking about his day while not on the property of the work place you cant expect them to keep quiet.
If its trade secrets its one thing but if its just talking about their day then come on, considering firing someone over them talking about there day is more damaging to the company than to the individual who may be terminated.
But again we do not know how much was said or what prior events have transpired here.
We don't know if he was a good employee or bad. What is his attendance and attitude like at work?
We don't know if other events have taken place. Has he been talked to? Has he been written up? Or does he and his manager just not get along?
As a manager you have to make these kinds of calls and in small business's it can mean a huge difference in profit. Saying you had a bad day is one thing. Saying your job is shit and writing a blog about it is another. People will read it and say 'I don't want to go eat there'. That company now loses money (which in turn may eventually lead to being laid off anyways).
As a company your goal is to attract customers. As you gain more customers you make more profit. More profit allows you to expand.
As an employee your a part of that process. Your actions voice an opinion in the reaction of the customer. If you do poorly, so will your business.
I would also like to point out that the food industry is a fast, stressful, and high action business and not made for everyone.
Im not saying I dont agree that its the employeers duty to do the things other people dont want to do, but honestly your power as an employeer stops at the property line of your buisness unless otherwise agreed to by a contract.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:21:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Im not saying I dont agree that its the employeers duty to do the things other people dont want to do, but honestly your power as an employeer stops at the property line of your buisness unless otherwise agreed to by a contract.
So you're saying I could go on national TV and state my employer and his bussiness is a piece of crap and expect NOT to get fired ?
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mamolian
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:28:00 -
[55]
Edited by: mamolian on 11/08/2008 23:29:01
Just contact your friend, get them to delete the comments.. Change the name on your profile and make it private.. or delete your profile entirely.. then sue for wrongful dismissal ! :p
Just claim any screenshots of the offending commments as photoshops.
Alternativly call up the healthboard and report a rodent infestation. 
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:29:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Im not saying I dont agree that its the employeers duty to do the things other people dont want to do, but honestly your power as an employeer stops at the property line of your buisness unless otherwise agreed to by a contract.
So you're saying I could go on national TV and state my employer and his bussiness is a piece of crap and expect NOT to get fired ?
Tu shay, though your point is somewhat on the extreme end.
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:30:00 -
[57]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 11/08/2008 23:34:20
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Im not saying I dont agree that its the employeers duty to do the things other people dont want to do, but honestly your power as an employeer stops at the property line of your buisness unless otherwise agreed to by a contract.
So you're saying I could go on national TV and state my employer and his bussiness is a piece of crap and expect NOT to get fired ?
again off you go.. stating some extreme case that nobody would obviously do, to justify stiffling peoples rights to be themselves and be a little disgruntled at times but still doing their job.. as you did earlier aswell.. and like when you did it earlier in this thread.. the extreme case wasn't even remotely related..
i think you need a reality check.. people are not the corporations property, they are people.. they do their jobs and when they aren't on the job they damn well do what they please.. and nobody would do something that would literally get them fired or defame a company where they work at and that is part of their own public image and status, as in "i work there"
UNLESS -> they were expecting to get fired if they said it, yet still felt at need to say it because they had been treated like crap and wanted other people to know about it.. AND.. if they were treated like crap they damn sure should be able to say it and not have some bs beaureaucratic signed gag agreement to not be able to speak the truth about how they percieve things.. because its important that ppl stand up and say what's crap and what's not.. that's what evolves this world.. and what allows the companies that don't treat their employees right to run themselves down to the ground so we can be rid of their stupidity..
if the company is sound then it wouldn't matter diddly squat what the guy said if he was lying... cause if he was it'd be pretty damn easy to disprove anyways.. and furthermore.. if the corporation was sound and good to its employees and diplomatic enough to end the coorporation with the employee as a last resort, and in a good way so both could progress in a healthy and respectful way.. then there would be no problem either.. nor any reason for anyone to talk any crap.
people are damn sure allowed to be disgruntled.. just aswell as you are allowed to spew your nonsense about how you percieve employees should be treated.. you ought to remember that.
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Davina Braben
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:30:00 -
[58]
Saying somewhere that serves food is a "shithole" is not good.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:36:00 -
[59]
Originally by: 7shining7one7
stating some extreme case that nobody would obviously do, to justify stiffling peoples rights to be themselves and be a little disgruntled at times but still doing their job.. as you did earlier aswell.. and like when you did it earlier in this thread.. the extreme case wasn't even remotely related..
Ok, let's go your way then... who are you to stiffle employer's rights to pick who they allow to be their employees ?
If an employee is creating problems for the company (WHATEVER those problems might be), you, as the employer, have every right to terminate their employment.
Yes, it was an extreme case, just to show that no, your responsabilities as an employee do NOT end when your shift ends and you leave the premises.
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7shining7one7
Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:48:00 -
[60]
Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 11/08/2008 23:50:53
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: 7shining7one7
stating some extreme case that nobody would obviously do, to justify stiffling peoples rights to be themselves and be a little disgruntled at times but still doing their job.. as you did earlier aswell.. and like when you did it earlier in this thread.. the extreme case wasn't even remotely related..
Ok, let's go your way then... who are you to stiffle employer's rights to pick who they allow to be their employees ?
If an employee is creating problems for the company (WHATEVER those problems might be), you, as the employer, have every right to terminate their employment.
Yes, it was an extreme case, just to show that no, your responsabilities as an employee do NOT end when your shift ends and you leave the premises.
i'm not doing that, i'm stating the obvious, that it's a totally bad call to fire people in a harsh manner, letting someone go should be
a) based on job performance rather than regular venting at some pub or another reasonably private venue.
b) a last resort after attempts to reconsile the situation through diplomacy and conversation "what could make you more happy being here, and what would you do in return" / "what's the situation and how can we remedy it so you can get back to working in good shape again?". and so on..
c) if you have to let someone go, do it in a diplomatic manner so that you are both well off, explain the situation calmly and thank for the cooperation, rather than just say **** off.. and have a willingness to help the employee forward in another job with a recommendation/description of work history. so you can both go well off about your business.
that is the procedure if you want a good image.. if you just fire ppl, and overly survey them including what they say/do in private and fire ppl for some self righteous "must maintain image" stunt rather than working things out, you end up with a hostile working environment oozing of low job security, low job satisfaction.. and that'll just create more of what you are not after.
i'm not stiffling anything, i'm just stating the obvious that most managers/leaders/execs worth their salt allready realizes.
which is you don't solve disgruntled employees by ****ing on them, cause they'll **** right back on you.. and there's allways a reason why they are disgruntled, you either find out that reason and seek to remedy it, or you fail at doing YOUR job for the good of the company... human ressources and all that, it has a lot of merit, you don't throw away a good employee just cause he has a little fit, you find out why and you seek to remedy it first before even considering letting him go. and maybe if you did then the guy would tell you and his friends etc. "hey this is not really a dump, this place is actually pretty good.. they give a damn and wish me well, so i do my best to give them what they ask of me also.. and about the other day.. pff.. i've been going through some stuff and yeah.. it's all better now, and they actually helped me through it in whichever way they could, so i'm actually extremely thankful for them taking the time for me, now i just feel like working my ass off, i love this shit..". imagine that huh..
but if you fire them in the nasi "no mercy" shortheaded way you have been promoting in this thread, and truly illustrate just how bad you suck at leadership.. then all you're gonna get is shit back.. you get what you give, in that regard aswell.
and if and only if you have done everything of the above, with diplomacy and so on and they go on a deliberate smear campaign for unfounded reasons which you can prove, then you should take legal action..
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