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Gretzel	Posted - 2008.08.12 00:51:00 - [1] What are peoples honest opinions of EVE going care bear. Just wondering if this is time to jump ship.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.12 00:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Tamia Clant on 12/08/2008 00:55:33 Abandon ship, abandon ship! EDIT: But contract me your stuff first, mmkay? Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
oilio Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.08.12 00:57:00 - [3] Carebear at 6 o'clock! Eject! Eject!
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.12 00:59:00 - [4] I'm worried it is. Three-fold suicide gank nerf (insurance, plus faster concord response, plus increased sec hits), expected wardec nerf (with justifications like 'defenders lack control in the war' and 'wardecs are a pay for grief system'), all point out to EvE developers giving up the original idea and abandoning a lot of the ideas which were tossed about in the past even as part of user manual (security is your own responsibility,PvP-centric, risk/reward, etc). There's few other ships to jump to, unfortunately. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:05:00 - [5] No. Insurance cancellation was inevitable (yes it's just a game mechanic, but still.) The sec hit thing isn't that big of a nerf, since it actually means smaller sec hits for killing people with lower sec status. The nano "nerf" was also inevitable. I mean, come on, the multi-MWD change should have let everyone know that CCP didn't want people moving at outrageous speeds, and between the multi-MWD change and Revelations the Overdrive Injector and Nanofiber modules didn't have nearly the effect on speed that they do now. The day that combat flags and nonaggression zones actually get introduced to Eve is the day that the game has gone Carebear without question. Fortunately that day has not yet come, and I have no reason to believe that such a day is unavoidable.
Jimer Lins Gallente Federation Fleet	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:06:00 - [6] Meh, not really. Hell, I just went to -1. something in the last week or so. Never below 0 in my life until now. Won't be long before I can't enter hisec. I know personally quite a few former carebears and non-pvp types are going for more pew-pew.
Balrokenx Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:07:00 - [7] It seems the dev are starting to cater for the carebear whines. It might not be game breaking atm but it just proves that if you whine enough you get what you want.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:12:00 - [8] Originally by: Balrokenx It seems the dev are starting to cater for the carebear whines. It might not be game breaking atm but it just proves that if you whine enough you get what you want. Worst case scenario, I'm worried that the developers will start aiming more media, and adjusting various parts of Empire space, to draw in a larger crowd, faster. Not so much catering to the carebear whines, per se, but going after that WoW target audience. I think that would be a bad move for EvE, as far as me enjoying it. So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security.
Jimer Lins Gallente Federation Fleet	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:12:00 - [9] Originally by: Balrokenx It seems the dev are starting to cater for the carebear whines. It might not be game breaking atm but it just proves that if you whine enough you get what you want. These things go in cycles. Right now it's pvpers whining and whatever happens next, CCP will be accused of caving in to them. Then roles will reverse.
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Balrokenx It seems the dev are starting to cater for the carebear whines. It might not be game breaking atm but it just proves that if you whine enough you get what you want. These things go in cycles. Right now it's pvpers whining and whatever happens next, CCP will be accused of caving in to them. Then roles will reverse. This, although I'm still greatly amused at the "adapt or die" folks being hoist by their own petard (and the resulting deluge of tears which puts every carebear whine I've ever seen in my days in Eve to absolute shame). The game will better off for it - highsec is highsec for a reason. If you want to shoot people without consequence go to lowsec or 0.0. If you can handle the consequences (and I'm sure many will) continue to shoot people in highsec. ---
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Esmenet on 12/08/2008 01:19:44 Imo yes. High sec will soon be a carebear heaven. And 0.0 is turning more and more into another static carebear heaven. While low sec is just empty space. Vote against the nano nerf!
Gruxella Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:21:00 - [12] I'm fairly sure you can still suicide gank even with the new penalties. As far as the other changes that aren't related to suicide ganking go.. I'm looking forward to it. Change is good. I will definitely be rethinking my megathron setup. I like it. I personally can't wait. Adapt or Die ! :) ---- VHI - We Haul Your Cargo For Free ---- We Miss you Red 7.
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:21:00 - [13] Looks more to me like EVE just lost the easymode that nanosetups and suicide ganking got to take advantage of. I know people are shocked that something like suicide ganking is going to have serious consequence. I know, breaking the law in a highly secure area is a bigger issue than breaking it in Mos Esley, go figure. It depends on how they change wardecs. Right now they really are just stupid. Pay CONCORD a ****ant amount of money to make them completely void, there's got to be a better way for both sides, or atleast a more logical (since people who like to spend 2mil isk to dec and extort others will likely cry over this like they are with suicide ganking actually being a risk).
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Thorradin Looks more to me like EVE just lost the easymode that nanosetups and suicide ganking got to take advantage of. I know people are shocked that something like suicide ganking is going to have serious consequence. I know, breaking the law in a highly secure area is a bigger issue than breaking it in Mos Esley, go figure. It depends on how they change wardecs. Right now they really are just stupid. Pay CONCORD a ****ant amount of money to make them completely void, there's got to be a better way for both sides, or atleast a more logical (since people who like to spend 2mil isk to dec and extort others will likely cry over this like they are with suicide ganking actually being a risk). How about we remove L3/L4 missions from high-sec to reduce the easy-mode ISK printing. After all, you want to be safe, what do you need the ISK for? Just a thought. Risk/reward, eh? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Cpt Branko I'm worried it is. Three-fold suicide gank nerf (insurance, plus faster concord response, plus increased sec hits), expected wardec nerf (with justifications like 'defenders lack control in the war' and 'wardecs are a pay for grief system'), all point out to EvE developers giving up the original idea and abandoning a lot of the ideas which were tossed about in the past even as part of user manual (security is your own responsibility,PvP-centric, risk/reward, etc). There's few other ships to jump to, unfortunately. Qft. Been playing for about 2 years and I've seen it happen a little at a time, some things not even publicly acknowledged (for example, my sig). ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP.
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Crazy Tasty Qft. Been playing for about 2 years and I've seen it happen a little at a time, some things not even publicly acknowledged (for example, my sig). Yeah, but fortunately a fairly small part of the populace knows/does that. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
IonHammer Minmatar Black Avatar Lost Sheep Domain	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:39:00 - [17] YES pVp = lag death pVe = lag death havent mined in bloody ages so cant say but i can guess so safest thing to do is sit in station and trade or sit in pos and build If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:48:00 - [18] OP needs to look at it from this angle. CCP needs moar money to fund all the awesome stuff that will make the dedicated pvpers and pirates cream their pants everytime they log on. However the pitbull mentality of the dedicated pvper is not really in the majority in the real world so we get a greifer oriented Eve with only 250kish active subscribers and a carebear paradise like Wow with literally millions. CCP being the godly guys they are have found a way to suck some of those teeming masses of carebears from other mmo's to fund the rabid pvpers in Eve by making empire a few percent safer than it has ever been. Not safe but safer. Huge difference. Moar $$$$ per month in CCPs wallet means moar programmers hired to iron out all the little things that need working on so infiniband and moastly lag free fights can be had by all. If certain people would look a bit farther than the end of their noses they might realise this and jump on the wagon with both feet. And what ship exactly was the OP going to jump on? Eve is unique and has no real similar mmo competition. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:49:00 - [19] nah they arent going carebear, just cleaning house to attract customers.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:49:00 - [20] If EVE were going to go carebear it would have done it already. About the worst things they ever did were putting Sentry Guns in low-sec and Warp-to-Zero, but the latter was done due to BM lag more than anything. Relatively speaking EVE is still 100x less carebear than practically every other MMO on the market. - Infectious -
Cpt Branko Surge. NIght's Dawn	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Zeba And what ship exactly was the OP going to jump on? Eve is unique and has no real similar mmo competition. That's the real issue really. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Alchem Gallente Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:54:00 - [22] Not to bothered on the changes to emipre ganks but rumours are going around to the changes of war decs i mean this ridiculous CCP got rid of pirates due to FW now it seems CCP will be getting rid of mercs becouse of carebears in empire are complaining! So yer this game is going a bit carebear. Either way CCP need to think abot it pretty carefully
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:56:00 - [23] I was a little disapointed seeing a dev use the word grief in conjunction with war decs. That will be the deciding factor for me. They spring another "we're nuking it from orbit" dev blog on us about war decs and that will swing my vote. Until then, I'm leaning more towards you're all a bunch of over reacting drama queens. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.12 01:58:00 - [24] Originally by: Zeba OP needs to look at it from this angle. CCP needs moar money to fund all the awesome stuff that will make the dedicated pvpers and pirates cream their pants everytime they log on. However the pitbull mentality of the dedicated pvper is not really in the majority in the real world so we get a greifer oriented Eve with only 250kish active subscribers and a carebear paradise like Wow with literally millions. CCP being the godly guys they are have found a way to suck some of those teeming masses of carebears from other mmo's to fund the rabid pvpers in Eve by making empire a few percent safer than it has ever been. Not safe but safer. Huge difference. Moar $$$$ per month in CCPs wallet means moar programmers hired to iron out all the little things that need working on so infiniband and moastly lag free fights can be had by all. If certain people would look a bit farther than the end of their noses they might realise this and jump on the wagon with both feet. And what ship exactly was the OP going to jump on? Eve is unique and has no real similar mmo competition. Why would i care if EVE solves the lagproblem after its lost everything that made it stand out from the hordes of other npc oriented mmorpgs out there? Vote against the nano nerf!
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.12 02:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Esmenet Why would i care if EVE solves the lagproblem after its lost everything that made it stand out from the hordes of other npc oriented mmorpgs out there? Well thats a bit of a melodramatic responce over the current proposed needed nano changes (but don't nerf intys!!!!) Plus changing the suicide gank mechanics from a flat line standings hit no matter what sec system you're in to a much more reasonable and realistic curved standings hit was inevitable. Its going to be a boost for non pirate players in that they can attack players who are not quite into the flashy red but obviously a pirate for a reduced standings hit. A lot of people have stayed out of low sec for that very reason as they didn't want to eventually get excluded from empire by simply defending their turf. Insurance being totally axed for ship losses to Concord might be a bit harsh but really if your gonna make a few billion off the loot of a ganked freighter you can afford the cost of the gank. Saying that I think insurance on suicide ganks should be cut to about 40% of the normal platinum payout. That way it still hurts if the good lootz get destroyed but not enought to make the op a total loss. But hey thats why we have the forums and can voice our opinions at will. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Drak Nijoba	Posted - 2008.08.12 02:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Balrokenx It seems the dev are starting to cater for the carebear whines. It might not be game breaking atm but it just proves that if you whine enough you get what you want. Worst case scenario, I'm worried that the developers will start aiming more media, and adjusting various parts of Empire space, to draw in a larger crowd, faster. Not so much catering to the carebear whines, per se, but going after that WoW target audience. I think that would be a bad move for EvE, as far as me enjoying it. I came here from WoW... it's all about choice in game play style... TBH i wouldn't mind a small nerf to make it safer for those who are new to the game but not a complete nerf to where if you've been playing for a while you still get complete benefits... <Makes Sense to me!>
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.08.12 02:25:00 - [27] No it's turning moron influx achura riddled piece of whiny garbage though. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.08.12 02:30:00 - [28] Originally by: Gretzel What are peoples honest opinions of EVE going care bear. Just wondering if this is time to jump ship. Its not, if anything its becoming less carebear land. Lets look at what the nerfs affect for a moment. Nerf 1: Speed Nerf 2: Security system In the case of Nerf one prior to this change being introduced players can create loadouts that take advantage of the games physics engine by getting their ships to excelerate to speeds that the developers had not envisioned. These speeds allowed the user to to use speed in itself as a tank by outrunning the turrets ammo while at the same time being able to inflict damage. The only counter to this was to use a nano setup yourself which drasticly limited what loadouts in pvp were viable. In the cast of the second Nerf, many players coughGoonsCough were taking advantage of a combination of the current security system and null sec resources. By using the resources of 0.0 these players were able to amass large amounts of wealth or resources to create suicide fleets. Once their sec status fell below a certain level they would return to low/null sec to rat and regain their sec standing to reenter high sec, this was accomplishable after a few days and with certain ship combinations insurance paid for the cost of the ship and ussually whatever loot came from the wrecks paid for the modules. In both instances the individual who used either nano or suicide tactics stood in a nearly impervious stance compared to the rest of eve. The Nano user rarely had to worry about damage from others and the suicider was able to kill without much if any financial loss to their actions and the only "pentance" they paid was a few days of null sec ratting. With both nerfs the nano user is once again put on a even playing feild with the rest of us and the suicider is faced with a financial slap as well as a heafty sec loss depending on who he attacks and where. In short, those who used these tactics are *****ing because they are subjected to loss once again and are complaining about it... hey, isnt that what a carebear does? Complain that they lost something? -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries Ultionis Quietus	Posted - 2008.08.12 02:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton heh the changes as stated make highsec more than a few percent safer. unless you are a complete and total idiot. Oh good that means I can take my freighter full of expensive ships, ore and modules, totaling about 2 billion and go to Jita uninsured because the security changes lull me into a false sence of security. Don't forget to post your itinary at least one week in advance
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2008.08.12 02:47:00 - [30] Edited by: Jacob Mei on 12/08/2008 02:48:08 Originally by: Korizan Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton heh the changes as stated make highsec more than a few percent safer. unless you are a complete and total idiot. Oh good that means I can take my freighter full of expensive ships, ore and modules, totaling about 2 billion and go to Jita uninsured because the security changes lull me into a false sence of security. Don't forget to post your itinary at least one week in advance Joking aside anyone who says the changes will be an end to suicide ganking either: a. Is Chicken Little and doesnt grasp the facts of the change b. Is a pvp carebear who doesnt like the idea of their actions having consinquence. Suicide ganking will still occur. Come a few days after patch day Jita will still be patroled by suicide gankers simply because the loot haulers will take with them will be more valuable. Freighters will get fatter and their pilots will be in a false sence of security, the only diffrence is now that the suicide player needs to choose his targets wisely instead of at a whim. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.

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