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Relena mearfire	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:13:00 - [1] Should local be delayed by 15 seconds? I am in 2 minds about it myself but i think i would like to have it at least tried.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:15:00 - [2] What would it accomplish? Not saying "bad idea", just curious on your ideas on the result. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Wil Smithx Minmatar Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:15:00 - [3] Edited by: Wil Smithx on 14/08/2008 12:20:18 CCP are already going to remove the local system... God knows what they might do with it but i hope very much that this is not it. If this happened pirates could jump into a system and attack you before they have even come up in local. Edit: that said this would offer a way to kill macro ratters before they autowarp to safes.
Concorduck Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:16:00 - [4] local in Jita is already delayed by 10-15 minutes. ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
Haalanii	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:19:00 - [5] It would significantly increase the odds of catching people ratting or mining in a system, which I like. Right now smart players never die in a belt. It should at least be a concern for them. Of course, good intel sharing in your home region would warn you several jumps out, in most cases.
Relena mearfire	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:20:00 - [6] Edited by: Relena mearfire on 14/08/2008 12:20:30 Well it would balance npc hunting with cloaking. And more importantly POS. Mainly i mention it for that but it is bound to have other effects. And thats why i post tbh. Im not going to pretend to foresee its every effect and maybe some 1 will sujest a better reason for it or a flaw with it that is valid and i never thought of.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Haalanii It would significantly increase the odds of catching people ratting or mining in a system, which I like. Right now smart players never die in a belt. It should at least be a concern for them. Of course, good intel sharing in your home region would warn you several jumps out, in most cases. Then you'd need some form of beacon tools or other "anti-" pirate tools to counter, otherwise, it's too unbalanced for the pirate side. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Way TightThigh	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Wil Smithx CCP are already going to remove the local system... God knows what they might do with it but i hope very much that this is not it. If this happened pirates could jump into a system and attack you before they have even come up in local. Local is the biggest tool in eve atm. IT IS NEEDED. Without local fleets will be so much more disorganised and no space can be safe. It will make fleet battles even harder to find and generaly ruin the game. Is Local is completely removed and isnt replaced by somthign better im leaving
McDonALTs	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:23:00 - [9] The OP IS NOT ASKING FOR LOCAL NERF. He is asking for a 15 second delay. It takes 1-2 mins at fastest for a pirate to enter system and warp to your belt. That extra 15 seconds helps a lot since most people warp the second a hostile enters local.
Relena mearfire	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Haalanii It would significantly increase the odds of catching people ratting or mining in a system, which I like. Right now smart players never die in a belt. It should at least be a concern for them. Of course, good intel sharing in your home region would warn you several jumps out, in most cases. Then you'd need some form of beacon tools or other "anti-" pirate tools to counter, otherwise, it's too unbalanced for the pirate side. Not really. im saying 15 second but 10 even maybe. In practice a lot of systems have off angle gates and belts are spread every where. In most cases it would still require a interceptor to be fast enough to find a target across a system. but honestly try f=flying around and scanning down targets as you go with a 15 second timer. very few cases you will even get to the belt scanned if its in range of ur gate.

Zhenga	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Way TightThigh Originally by: Wil Smithx CCP are already going to remove the local system... God knows what they might do with it but i hope very much that this is not it. If this happened pirates could jump into a system and attack you before they have even come up in local. Local is the biggest tool in eve atm. IT IS NEEDED. Without local fleets will be so much more disorganised and no space can be safe. It will make fleet battles even harder to find and generaly ruin the game. Is Local is completely removed and isnt replaced by somthign better im leaving I am with this guy. If local is removed and not replaced with something the game will be to much in the hunter's favor and it would ruin the game for me. It would bring the game to a point of 2 much stress for a GAME.
Karii Ildarian Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:33:00 - [12] Just make the onboard scanner able to scan the entire solar system and remove local entirely.
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:39:00 - [13] What people don't realize is that removing local or changing it to a timer based thing or whatever, will only result in boosting the blob and boosting high-sec. 0.0 is already bad enough for ratting, barely better than running LVL4's in complete security in high-sec. Low-sec is already pretty dead. Nerfing the ratters or solo-types by removing local/delaying it will only result in these people moving away to high-sec because it's safer and ultimately more profitable to run LVL4s there. And, if you don't know what's out there, you will see people gathering into bigger and bigger blobs for security just to move around low-sec and 0.0. Hardly a boost to pirates. Hardly a boost to small gang PVP.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Karii Ildarian Just make the onboard scanner able to scan the entire solar system and remove local entirely. And make the scanner update automatically, like the overview, but keep it so it doesn't show pilot names. Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim! Or was that the other way around?
Zhenga	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:41:00 - [15] Originally by: ApaKaka What people don't realize is that removing local or changing it to a timer based thing or whatever, will only result in boosting the blob and boosting high-sec. 0.0 is already bad enough for ratting, barely better than running LVL4's in complete security in high-sec. Low-sec is already pretty dead. Nerfing the ratters or solo-types by removing local/delaying it will only result in these people moving away to high-sec because it's safer and ultimately more profitable to run LVL4s there. And, if you don't know what's out there, you will see people gathering into bigger and bigger blobs for security just to move around low-sec and 0.0. Hardly a boost to pirates. Hardly a boost to small gang PVP. This guy knows what he is talking about.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Way TightThigh Local is the biggest tool in eve atm. IT IS NEEDED. Without local fleets will be so much more disorganised and no space can be safe. It will make fleet battles even harder to find and generaly ruin the game. I think it'd go the other way round. People would have to spread out more to cover more space and you'd have many more smaller battles, but fewer lagfests. I agree the Scanner needs to be boosted however. Quote: Is Local is completely removed and isnt replaced by somthign better im leaving And this is why so many striking issues with EVE will never be fixed - Infectious -
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:49:00 - [17] Not everything no, it'd change local in favor of the hunter, so the change would be onesided and as such bad. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:49:00 - [18] Originally by: Zhenga Originally by: ApaKaka What people don't realize is that removing local or changing it to a timer based thing or whatever, will only result in boosting the blob and boosting high-sec. 0.0 is already bad enough for ratting, barely better than running LVL4's in complete security in high-sec. Low-sec is already pretty dead. Nerfing the ratters or solo-types by removing local/delaying it will only result in these people moving away to high-sec because it's safer and ultimately more profitable to run LVL4s there. And, if you don't know what's out there, you will see people gathering into bigger and bigger blobs for security just to move around low-sec and 0.0. Hardly a boost to pirates. Hardly a boost to small gang PVP. This guy knows what he is talking about. Yes, good points. Without knowing who is in the sytem you are never safe, thus promoting the idea to always stay in a fleet, and the bigger the safer. You could however remove local and replace it with some kind of very much boosted scanners. (This is a far fetched idea tho)
Vereesa Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.14 12:51:00 - [19] Edited by: Vereesa on 14/08/2008 12:51:54 Have delayed local in lowsec and remove local altogether in 0.0 then counter this with greatly increased bounties and rewards for 0.0 ratting and better roids for mining which will encourage players to group up and exploit those resourses ( they could afford to have people to defend as the rewards would be enough) . Surely this would be a needed incentive to go to 0.0 rather than a disincentive? Ratting and mining in 0.0 in ABSOLUTE safety as it is at the moment is the reason ccp cant raise rewards there and the reason that l4 empire missions are on a par . Put some risk back in it but make it porofitable for SKILLED groups willing to take the risk of a better skilled group coming along . Eve is on its way to becoming wow in space as it is . I could live in completely hostile 0.0 space and rat all i liked and NEVER die. EVE SOLO should be eve on hard mode!
Camille Breeze	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Rawr Cristina I think it'd go the other way round. People would have to spread out more to cover more space and you'd have many more smaller battles, but fewer lagfests. I agree the Scanner needs to be boosted however. No one will spread out. More gate camps will apear in 0.0 with more people. It's easier to simply guard one gate leading to a constelation. Myself, I have no idea what it would be like in 0.0 without local. More dangerous for sure. Less profitable for sure (if rewards don't get changed), which will lead to people having to do L4 missions on their empire alts in order to pvp in 0.0 Now that's an awesome idea to bring more people to 0.0, becouse that's what we want to accomplish?

Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:09:00 - [21] Originally by: Camille Breeze Originally by: Rawr Cristina I think it'd go the other way round. People would have to spread out more to cover more space and you'd have many more smaller battles, but fewer lagfests. I agree the Scanner needs to be boosted however. No one will spread out. More gate camps will apear in 0.0 with more people. It's easier to simply guard one gate leading to a constelation. Myself, I have no idea what it would be like in 0.0 without local. More dangerous for sure. Less profitable for sure (if rewards don't get changed), which will lead to people having to do L4 missions on their empire alts in order to pvp in 0.0 Now that's an awesome idea to bring more people to 0.0, becouse that's what we want to accomplish? If they also kill the map as they should the people camping the bottlenecks will have no clue as to how many are working behind them, safeguarded unintentionally by their camp without fanning out on recon patrols thus becoming spread out. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Aneu Angellus Caldari Revival.	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:13:00 - [22] What people are saying about 'Oh but it will be overpowered for the hunter' At the moment Local is basically immunity to everything in 0,0 - if this isnt overpowered than eve is a totaly balanced game... The 15second delay would be a great way to combat the invulnerability local gives NPCers - although incresing the scanner to encompas an entire system is a another good idea also - helps both parties. ________________ REVIVAL
NeoTheo Dark Materials	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:15:00 - [23] local needs a proper viable replacement, this i am afraid is not it. Neotheo Dark Materials Linkage
Sumiya Tanaka	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:17:00 - [24] It's always been a good idea to remove local (rather, have it only reflect those who have actually used the local coms channel) and replace it with a real scanner. Not a scanner that shows exactly who is in the system at all times, but a scanner that scans a much broader radius around the ship or something to give players some warning, but not the "immediately upon jump in" warning that local currently does. That would split the baby more equitably rather than taking one of the more common polarized approaches (ie, either keep it as it is, or get rid of it entirely).
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Wil Smithx Edited by: Wil Smithx on 14/08/2008 12:20:18 CCP are already going to remove the local system... Just like theyre nerfing nano...and "rebalancing" carriers, right? _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
Vereesa Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:23:00 - [26] Get rid of local and add a radar circle blipping thing that covers a massive area but only shows a large small or medium blip and takes 30 secs or so to complete a circle :)
Glach Duwat	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:25:00 - [27] an auto updating scanner is stupid. There is enough server calls out there already, something that constantly scans on every ship in the system would just be a cluster f*** of server calls. Personally, I like the idea of people only show in local if they are within a certain radius of your ship, based on your ships scan strength. The stronger your scan-resolution, the bigger the scan. Ships like cov-ops could get a bonus to scan the whole system. The idea would be they pop up in "local" when they are still far enough away for you to align and warp out if you're watching local, but it wouldn't allow you to instantly know how many people are in local. But like the other ideas, it's complicated to implement, and would likely cause more lag. There may be a good system that will "nerf" local, but not remove it, and not cripple pvp and pve in all but high sec, but I don't know of it.
TheG2 Gallente Dirty Rotten Scoundrels	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:33:00 - [28] Originally by: Vereesa Get rid of local and add a radar circle blipping thing that covers a massive area but only shows a large small or medium blip and takes 30 secs or so to complete a circle :) I want a Dradis (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/DRADIS).
ApaKaka Lone Starr Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:34:00 - [29] The only good solution in my mind that is possible, is to move local to scanner. Completely. You would have scanning possibility for ships in the entire system. And also filtering for friendlies. That's the only method I can think of that wouldn't completely ruin PVP in every way in the game, and it would put the demand on the player to 'get information' instead of having information 'pushed' to him via local as today.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.14 13:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Aneu Angellus At the moment Local is basically immunity to everything in 0,0 - if this isnt overpowered than eve is a totaly balanced game... Wrong, invulnerability is a myth. It can be considered a tool of 'invulnerability' if you're completely inept at finding people, otherwise it's what is called 'difficult'. Or was that just a lazy hyperbole? San Matari Official forums



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