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I think the no docking in enemy stations and cyno jammers or even jump bridges are great ideas. People want more to fight over and this will give them that. It would be still quite easy to have most your assets in a safe place and these ideas should bring the big groups into the picture and give more targets. I can not help but think the ranking system should be a part of the cyno / jump bridge part.

I am interested to see how rank perks will be brought into the game. I have never done FW but have spent years in 0.0. The proposed changes have me seriously looking at FW as a reason I may want to come back to the game and bring ships out of mothballs.

BTW, FW really needs overhaul in the wiki. Objectives, Missions, how to gain standings are all kinda fuzzy there to me. Let alone the corps involved on each side for recruitment. Warfare and tactics section in forums seems like a joke to support this as well.

I am all for improving FW mechanics since current doesn't really reward people for actual fighting but doing pve.

however people should realize if they want big scale fleets and stuff they should take next logical step and move into doing actual 0.0 alliance warfare.

FW should not be replacement for missing small alliance possibilities in 0.0. instead holding large regions and moving over long distances should be made more difficult so it's easier for smaller alliances and corps to take part in 0.0 warfare.

So I think instead of having LP's upgrade systems, I think that VP's should be the currency to purchase upgrades. Combining this with actual upgrades and consequences of system sovereignty should have the effect of getting more people to participate in plexing.

If all it takes is you leaving FW for a day to move your stuff out of a conquered station, then what's the big deal? A kind of "surrender". You can also contract your loot to a third party hauler or perhaps get an alt to move the stuff out. Not a big deal, tbh.

The only real consequence would be losing access to a FW mission agent.

Frankly, i'm sick and tired of this bulls..t argument. Where were demands of respect and courtesy when people responding to this very thread were sending me death threats and accusing me of pedophilia?

It also just makes no sense to have a blanket no dock rule over the whole system. 24th may not allow TLF to dock, that makes sense, but Quafe stations locking militia pilots out does not.

If all it takes is you leaving FW for a day to move your stuff out of a conquered station, then what's the big deal? A kind of "surrender". You can also contract your loot to a third party hauler or perhaps get an alt to move the stuff out. Not a big deal, tbh.

The only real consequence would be losing access to a FW mission agent.

Losing mission agent access is totally fine, thats the kind of thing that SHOULD be involved here.

But having to leave FW for a day is totally stupid. It's immersion breaking and many of us don't want long in / out corp histories. We take pride in long term consistency.

Also, hassling with alts is not a big deal for us veterans, but I agree with Bloodpetal in as much that we cannot simply think about ourselves here.

My big concern is not just for the vets, its for new players. When I first started FW, I spent a whole day fitting 12 rifters and flying them to Auga. I had no hauler or knowledge about how to haul safely in low sec, I just wanted to get started in PvP without cross training too much. I would have raged if I had woke up to have all that work go to waste, and I do NOT want young pilots to face that kind of frustration. So yes, X, I do think it is a big deal.

It also just makes no sense to have a blanket no dock rule over the whole system. 24th may not allow TLF to dock, that makes sense, but Quafe stations locking militia pilots out does not.

The problem is that, there would become a focus in FW for getting around the system, through use of alts, or leaving FW, etc, as you say.

Would you really prefer messing with alts all the time, moving crap around, rather then focusing on actually pvping and playing the game?

If this happens, mail me immediately. I will look into it. You need to realize you are an older pilot than me, and stop blaming me for not reacting during a time I wasn't playing the game. I'm trying to help here, but I can't help you if you don't communicate with me.

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If you are concerned about the new players and logistics, perhaps consider what goes on with new -10s in pirate corps. Most if not all of the established pirate corps have there own logistics chains, doing regular runs to and from trade hubs, to keep there members supplied. Thinking less about yourselves (the vets) is probably good advice.

The difference of course is that pirate corps aren't denied access to stations even though they oftentimes have severely negative ratings towards them (due them cherry picking noobs on high sec gates).

Also, the mechanic proposed by the developers was that members of hostile factions would be locked out of every station in hostile systems, not just those owned by the opposing militia NPC corp.

It is a hope shared by everyone involved, but I fear it is all for naught. If the presented plan was/looked so fleshed out as indicated by people from FF then they are going with FW = Null Lite.

Blobs, EHP grinds, massive inconveniences, removal of last official RP support and tons of meta-gaming.

As much as I enjoy shooting an insurgent from time to time ......

I'll disagree a bit on this. "Surrendering" by leaving FW for a day is not immersion breaking, IMO. It's "surrender". Pilots ought to choose their stations carefully, and they ought to be able to pod into a station to grab a ship. They just can't dock there again (if my previous suggestions were implemented).

Also, I had assumed they are going to lock out only FW-related stations, not other stations. Afterall, the other stations have nothing to do with FW.

Anyways, just another perspective on the matter.

The bottom line is that the ideas shown at Fan Fest were just not fleshed out enough to be "the plan" at this point, in terms of commitment. I think there is plenty of room here to point out that there just isn't time for complicated Sov Infrastructure systems if they don't have the balance right, and the bottom line is that the current package is NOT balanced, and CCP admits this.

Oh, one extra thing though - all that talk about losing access to your ships in Arzad or wherever you Gallente/Caldari folks are located, doesn't take one thing into account - these systems (well at least Arzad, don't know nothing about Gal/Cal systems) are already under your occupancy in addition to you just basing there.

What makes you think CCP will reset the sov/occupancy state? Because if they don't, Arzad gets Minmatar sov and your ships are still accessible just as they are now.