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Defialed	Posted - 2008.08.23 19:59:00 - [1] Edited by: Defialed on 23/08/2008 20:01:56 Edited by: Defialed on 23/08/2008 20:00:05 Hello, like many of you, i gate camp, kill people, and just generally am a "ebil" person however i had an interesting arguement with a carebear who was smacking about how we arent pirates while we just ransomed a pod... now, what IS a pirate? :P IMHO a pirate is- A person who ransoms person who roams low sec belts gate camper and the general love of the barebears who jump through
Lokius Ahgamemnon	Posted - 2008.08.23 20:02:00 - [2] ho ho you are correct sir
Kirra Liu Echelon Holdings Echelon.	Posted - 2008.08.23 20:03:00 - [3] Edited by: Kirra Liu on 23/08/2008 20:03:59 In my view a pirate is anyone that participates in combat without a specific reason for shooting someone i.e. Attacking someone just because they are there. A pirate can still have rules that they follow, but they generally disregard the rules of an area etc. Alot of anti-pirate folks in my view are pirates. This is because they end up being NBSI (Not Blue Shoot It) and generally end up just looking to make their killboards look better. Oh and pirates say Yarr, and shiver me timbers, n stuff Im not pirate, follow a strict NRDS policy, follow the rules of where I live and work, although this change is recent.
Defialed Cold Fury Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.23 20:09:00 - [4] the guy was calling us gate campers, not pirates... TBH i would think killing poeple just cause they are there is pirating, general pvp works the same except no ransoms... Vandamsel > Sometimes, when I'm bored, I put a cape on my **** and solve mysteries*
Kyle Klanen	Posted - 2008.08.23 20:20:00 - [5] What defines a piracy from ganking is that the pirates primary motivation is profit, of course a ganker sometimes profits and a pirate may gank so the lines are blurred a little but the definition is still there.
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.08.23 20:48:00 - [6] Piracy is a meat dish made from finely chopped or ground raw noobs or horse meat. Pirates can also be made by thinly slicing a high grade of meat such as strip steak, marinating it in quafe or other spirits and spicing it to taste, and then chilling it. It is often served with onions, capers and seasonings (the latter typically incorporating fresh ground pepper and Worcestershire sauce), and sometimes with a raw pod I believe that answers this age old question once and for all -----------------
Ayame Mishima xPlaguex	Posted - 2008.08.23 20:54:00 - [7] pi+ra+cy ûnoun, plural -cies. 1.practice of a pirate; robbery or illegal violence at sea. 2.the unauthorized reproduction or use of a copyrighted book, recording, television program, patented invention, trademarked product, etc.: The record industry is beset with piracy. 3.Also called stream capture. Geology. diversion of the upper part of one stream by the headward growth of another. Well... I don't recall anyone ingame being able to reproduce anything trademarked illegally and I can't see anyone being geologically active in outer space, so it might have to do something with the first... although we are not at sea. ;) Ok, ok, let's call it the vast ocean of space... now when is illegal violence used? ;)
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.08.23 21:02:00 - [8] An old definition: PvP:er = A person who makes ISK to PvP. Pirate = A person who PvP:s to make ISK. Black Hand.
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.08.23 21:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin An old definition: PvP:er = A person who makes ISK to PvP. Pirate = A person who PvP:s to make ISK. Ah yes, this is a good one. But you have to extract the gatesnipers/smartbombers from the equation. Because that activity, IMO, seems to be closer to mining. Obviously everyone has a different view of what makes a pirate, one of my customers once called me a pirate; that made me feel all warm inside. ♥ _______ ◕◡◕
Defialed Cold Fury Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.24 06:12:00 - [10] okay now i knows :P cause if someone says to me- YOUR N0TZA PIWITE right after i kill them/they see me camping a gate then i wanna make sure that they know they are wrong :P o7 [url=http://cfc.1337chris.org?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39290] [/url]

Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Genos Occidere	Posted - 2008.08.24 06:21:00 - [11] 2 words.... well, actually it's more like 4 or 5 words, but... nonconsentual PvP Originally by: Lorz0r garmon is 90% Surfin's PlunderBunny, 10% er...Surfin's PlunderBunny
Rawrior Gallente Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.08.24 08:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny 2 words.... well, actually it's more like 4 or 5 words, but... nonconsentual PvP SHUN HIM! SHUN THE NONBELIVER!!@2! has the church let you go? _____ TEH FORUM POLICE!!1!11!@2!
Fel Flash The Accursed	Posted - 2008.08.24 11:16:00 - [13] Personally I think of a pirate as an opportunist. Someone who ganks haulers and noobs out ratting. If you're in low sec looking for fights or roaming in a blob, you aren't a pirate.
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.08.24 11:27:00 - [14] Edited by: Lord Zoran on 24/08/2008 11:27:13 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny 2 words.... well, actually it's more like 4 or 5 words, but... nonconsentual PvP also known as r..e
D'ceet Shadows of the Dead Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.24 11:28:00 - [15] King of the Pirates
NereSky Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.24 11:31:00 - [16] Over the years this has been discussed many times, some peeps who are against the idea of actually owning space call the owners pirates to a degree, what you need to do is break it down using historical records as a comparison, Pirates have been known throughout the ages as a bloodthirsty bunch that murder, ****, steal (among other things) now most of the above cannot be applied to Eve so i look at what defines a pirate thus; Indescriminate blowing up of ships through the art of PvP for enjoyment and/or profit, and/or indescriminate attacking ships for the purpose of ransom. Coupled into this some peeps may add scamming and even go as far as piracy of the market by controlling the market prices through one means or another for profit, but i personnally would not call those pirates, Then you have another option can some mercenaries be technically Privateers (paid to pirate certain systems) ? The more you try to look into it the more complicated it can become whence i define piracy as what i stated above which is straight forward and keeping it simple.
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.24 11:51:00 - [17] Not another one of these threads.
Jones Bones Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.08.24 13:17:00 - [18] Piracy is a robbery committed at sea, or sometimes on the shore, without a commission from a sovereign nation (robbery with sovereign commission is privateering, and distinct from piracy). Change "sea" to "space" and that's the technical definition. So from this technical definition most people in EVE (PVPers anyways) are privateers, not pirates.
Shigsy The Golden Goat	Posted - 2008.08.24 13:18:00 - [19] A pirate is someone who does what they want, because a pirate is free, they are a pirate.
Terra Mikael I Am Not A Lawyer	Posted - 2008.08.24 14:14:00 - [20] You forgot a big point: Must have a boated sense of e-honor, and a lack of a sense of irony Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto All piracy is built upon honoring one's word.

Plim Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.24 18:50:00 - [21] 3.142 x a standard rate. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
USA4 C.R.I.M.E	Posted - 2008.08.24 18:59:00 - [22] grabs plim's bum
Plim Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.24 19:01:00 - [23] Ha! USA oh em gee Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."
kessah Suicidal Tendencies Ltd	Posted - 2008.08.24 19:18:00 - [24] need to be -10 /me waits for flame
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.24 19:18:00 - [25] Simple. I am the pure definition of Pirate. yarr.
Raniss	Posted - 2008.08.25 00:45:00 - [26] A pirate is a < 18 year old kid who thinks hes a big guy and acts like a complete ftard in order to make him look cool with his even more ******ed friends.
Adeptus mecanicus The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2008.08.25 01:37:00 - [27] Piracy is a robbery committed in space, or sometimes on the gate, without a commission from a sovereign alliance (robbery with sovereign commission is privateering, and distinct from piracy). made the wickipedia description more eve like there is also the title buccaneer and is described as following. The term buccaneer is now used generally as a synonym for pirate. Originally, buccaneer crews were larger, more apt to attack alliances. yeah i gave that one also a eve flavor so if we use those historical terms in eve it can traslate to: pirates: corp or smaller outfits that prey on all and pay homage to none. privatreers: corp or smaller outfits that has a licence from a alliance that has sov to prey on none blue corps/alliances buccaneers: coalision of pirates (alliance) that attack larger entitys and their holdings (pos's/system siege+++). ] Grunt's
Shmak DatAsh Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.25 02:20:00 - [28] This.
Gark32 Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.08.25 06:33:00 - [29] Originally by: Shmak DatAsh This. Whoa. ________________________________________________
cpt Mark	Posted - 2008.08.25 08:38:00 - [30] A pirate is someone who kills alot of people makes alot of enemies gets a large bounty and ends up dead.

Jimer Lins Gallente Federation Fleet	Posted - 2008.08.25 08:51:00 - [31] I probed out a guy running a radar site in lowsec a few days ago, and me and my corpmate yoinked it from him by way of missiles in the grill. According to a few definitions, that would make me a pirate, although it's not a label I'd apply to myself.
Syringe Morphine Inc	Posted - 2008.08.25 21:00:00 - [32] Pirate and anti-pirate are role-playing terms. This can be fun, but most people (like myself and my corp) are just little ADD kids that like to see things explode. We call ourselves "PvPers" since we don't actively ransom people very often, but I'm pretty sure the majority of EVE would see us as 'pirates' --------- War isn't the answer. However, the objective isn't to provide answers rather than eliminate the question.
Kuan Yida Minmatar Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.25 21:27:00 - [33] As a career 'anti-pirate,' we have rules for who we can and can't engage. We define as a pirate as anyone who attacks a neutral (as defined as a non-war target or non pirate) unprovoked. So, any NBSI is a pirate by definition. NRDS is not a pirate. Neutrals are off the menu, unless caught red-handed attacking others. If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, it's a duck. So, if you are defending yourself, you aren't a pirate. If you attack a known pirate, you aren't a pirate. If you shoot anyone you think you can get away with shooting, well, that makes you a pirate. So what's the difference between a pirate and an antipirate? Well, strict rules of engagement, for one, but more importantly, most pirates like to hunt sheep. We like to hunt wolves... http://kuan-huangyinglong.blogspot.com/
Yzen Mors	Posted - 2008.08.26 00:03:00 - [34] Pirate - noun Definition 1 - A large rodent with an insatiable appitite for baked goods, especially of the american midwest. AKA: Apple Pie. Definition 2 - Anyone who preys upon other players in a way that causes them to directly lose money for them to gain money. Also see: Gate Campers, No Heart, Shreeky, Beastly, and other carebear show villians. Personally - I think pirating is essential to the flavor of eve. Without it, so many people wouldn't have a bad guy to push him to be better. It's like BoB whom many consider a nessicary evil. I've actually been quite entertained by a can-flipper who was trying to justify his actions to me, his insane logic fit with his ship, his portrait, his name, his fighting style, it was a real laugh, and also justified the bounty on his head that would have kept me in ISK for the rest of the year. Obviously, some people thought he was pretty funny. XD
Aceism	Posted - 2008.08.26 00:50:00 - [35] Do what you want, æcause a pirate is free, YOU ARE A PIRATE! Yar har, fiddle di dee, Being a pirate is alright to be, Do what you want æcause a pirate is free, You are a pirate! (spoken)You are a pirate! (crowd)Yay! We've got us a map, (a map!) To lead us to a hidden box, That's all locked up with locks! (with locks!) And buried deep away! We'll dig up the box, (the box!) We know it's full of precious booty! Burst open the locks! And then we'll say hooray! (changes to electronic euro-pop crap music) (girl's voice)Yar, har, fiddle di dee. If you love to sail the sea, You are a pirate! (spoken)Weigh anchooor! Yar har, fiddle di dee, Being a pirate is alright with me! Do what you want 'æcause a pirate is free, You are a pirate! Arr yarr, ahoy and avast, dinky-dink-dink-a-dinkadefast! Hang the black flag At the end of the mast! You are a pirate! Hahaha! (Yay!) We're sailing away (set sail!), Adventure awaits on every shore! We set sail and explore (ya-har!) And run and jump all day (Yay!) We float on our boat (the boat!) Until its time to drop the anchor, Then hang up our coats (aye-aye!) Until we sail again! (girl's voice)Yar, har, fiddle di dee. If you love to sail the sea, You are a pirate! Laaaand ho! Yar har, fiddle di dee, Being a pirate is alright with me! Do what you want æcause a pirate is free, You are a pirate! (spoken)Yar har, wind at your back, lads, Wherever you go! (singing)Blue sky above and blue ocean below, You are a pirate! (spoken)Hahahahaa! You're a pirate! ---- Pretty much.
Trollie	Posted - 2008.08.26 02:29:00 - [36] Originally by: Kyle Klanen What defines a piracy from ganking is that the pirates primary motivation is profit, of course a ganker sometimes profits and a pirate may gank so the lines are blurred a little but the definition is still there. Yar. Profit. Real pirates make 100% of their income off dropped loot and ransoms, while they listen to lazytown.
Natalia Trade Amarr Trading Company Inc	Posted - 2008.08.26 06:52:00 - [37] Pirate - one who commits or practices piracy, Piracy - an act of robbery on the high seas; also : an act resembling such robbery. When I first found Eve I thought it would be great to be a Pirate, go around finding targets, shooting them and ransoming them, or making haulers drop thier cargo, and or ransoming trade routes, passage, and access to certain areas. What I found is that the so called Pirates in Eve are actually Thugs, nothing more than Thugs. There are no real Pirates in Eve, just Thugs. You so called Pirates dont do any of the "normal" Piracy, it is always shoot it up, kill it and then loot. Rarely do I see any real Piracy, or read about real Piracy, just people being Thugs. Internet gives people annonimity, and they use that annonimity to go out and just Thug around, stroke thier epeen, and brag about the shuttle or ibis they killed. Real Pirates would see a freighter and instead of ganking it, make him drop half his load, then ransom his boat, not just kill it and loot. That is the difference in Piracy and Thugging.
Kaladra Gallente The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2008.08.26 11:21:00 - [38] We prefer the term "local warlord" or "local tank investigators". It gives the whole buisness a more serious touch.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.26 11:35:00 - [39] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/08/2008 11:36:59 Originally by: Natalia Trade ...blah blah thugs pirates... You don't get it. In EvE, you can't, you know, board someone's ship and take his loot. You have to kill it, unless the target is willing to pay a ransom. Many are not willing to pay - so you have to kill them, there are no other options. Furthermore, often you do not get to hold a target down indefinitely (due to either it shooting, sentries shooting, threat of other people being around, it trying to slowboat back to a gate or away, dumb freighter pilots logging off after tackled) - so you simply have to kill them. There are no other options. Wouldn't you think that in a game where it is not possible to board someone's ship and steal his stuff, but you can blow up his ship and get half of it - that killing ships to get to the loot would be commonplace? On the other hand, on the seas, if you sink a ship, well, it sinks. You don't get shit. That should explain the difference to you. Originally by: Kaladra We prefer the term "local warlord" or "local tank investigators". It gives the whole buisness a more serious touch. Local warlord is nice ;) I mean, we do many things which aren't exactly piracy - like extortion, providing protection* and such. *from ourselves, naturally. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ash Bringer	Posted - 2008.08.26 11:37:00 - [40] Edited by: Ash Bringer on 26/08/2008 11:39:10 Because of insurance pay outs no one will abandon his ship in eve online. because it's silly. So you can't force ppl out of their ships. it is actually worse than losing your ship. Anyhow if there could be a timer that makes 10min warp scramble u out of your ship type attack it might be interestting.. Pirates are free. No morals, no nothing, no dictionary descriptiopns. Btw pirates kills ppl and sunk ships if they can't fly it or earn more money by letting it go. Edit: Jack Sparrow and all his crew is a disneyland production. Real pirates kill ppl/ransom ships/sunk ships. Even today. Just google it.

Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.26 11:39:00 - [41] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/08/2008 11:44:18 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/08/2008 11:41:22 Originally by: Ash Bringer Edited by: Ash Bringer on 26/08/2008 11:39:10 Because of insurance pay outs no one will abandon his ship in eve online. because it's silly. So you can't force ppl out of their ships. it is actually worse than losing your ship. That part is true. I remember a CNR kill last week - tackled it at a POS which wasn't online yet, so we held it down for about 4-5 minutes... negotiating. He said he couldn't afford the ransom, so we offered 100M if he would abandon ship - he wouldn't do that, either. So in the end we just had to kill it. People are just unwilling to cooperate at times ;P Originally by: Ash Bringer Btw pirates kills ppl and sunk ships if they can't fly it or earn more money by letting it go. Of course, but people insist on a very romantic view of the profession. Originally by: Kuan Yida So what's the difference between a pirate and an antipirate? Well, strict rules of engagement, for one, but more importantly, most pirates like to hunt sheep. We like to hunt wolves... Generally, pirates tend to get killed by other pirates the most, which would indicate your statement is obviously wrong. However, we like fighting (generally) when we have a advantage, while you.... also like fighting when you have a advantage. But we make more ISK ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Voodoo Mistross Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.08.26 11:45:00 - [42] Your ALL pirates, I on the otherhand am but a simple business man trying to eak out a living in a harsh environment . There is BLOOD in the water as the FEEDING frenzy begins
Rehtom Lamina Minmatar The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.26 12:00:00 - [43] Originally by: Haitchi Allamut Simple. I am the pure definition of Pirate. yarr. I can confirm this statement
Rajere No Trademark Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.08.26 12:49:00 - [44] I have never ransomed anyone ever. People have asked for a ransom in local, but I just say no and kill them. I am nbsi everywhere, including killing and podding in low sec I am -9.5 and have had bounties placed on me several times (I get podded alot so they quickly go away) I generally won't go out of my way to kill a hauler or newbies in low sec. I will check belts for hulks/etc, but if forced to choose between a miner and a combat ship, I would warp to the belt with the combat ship everytime, they are worth more points on the kb :P I engage anything I think I can take and some things I'm sure I can't just for the thrill of doing so. While I do not really make a profit from pvp loot, I make enough to cover a large portion of my losses. I don't really carebear for isk. So, am I pirate or not? NOTR How to Fail at Eve
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.26 13:03:00 - [45] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/08/2008 13:04:01 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/08/2008 13:03:37 Originally by: Rajere While I do not really make a profit from pvp loot, I make enough to cover a large portion of my losses. I don't really carebear for isk. So, am I pirate or not? Not really, not a good one at any rate But you're close, just work on the profit part ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2008.08.26 13:18:00 - [46] Does it matter? Is this not essentially an irrelvant abstraction from the actual crimes/security status features of the game. Some pirates ransom ship, others just blow ships up for the hell of it, some declare war and ransom a whole corp, many are available for hire aswell. So wouldn't that make them ransomers / gankers / wartargets / merceneries, or some combination of these and more? To use the term pirate doesn't really specify a players actual behaviour, but is a general catch-all term for various players. Yarrrrrrrr!!! ---- Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacoughcoughaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrr!!
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.26 13:37:00 - [47] This about says it all. ----------------------------------------------- Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We pillage plunder, we rifle and loot. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We extort and pilfer, we filch and sack. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. Maraud and embezzle and even highjack. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We kindle and char and in flame and ignite. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. We burn up the city, we're really a fright. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. We're rascals and scoundrels, we're villians and knaves. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. We're devils and black sheep, we're really bad eggs. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. We're beggars and blighters and ne'er do-well cads, Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. Aye, but we're loved by our mommies and dads, Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me.
Rajere No Trademark Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.08.26 15:29:00 - [48] Quote: Does it matter? Is this not essentially an irrelvant abstraction from the actual crimes/security status features of the game. Some pirates ransom ship, others just blow ships up for the hell of it, some declare war and ransom a whole corp, many are available for hire aswell. So wouldn't that make them ransomers / gankers / wartargets / merceneries, or some combination of these and more? To use the term pirate doesn't really specify a players actual behaviour, but is a general catch-all term for various players. Yarrrrrrrr!!! ---- Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacoughcoughaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrr!! not really. Eve is a pvp game. Therefore players who engage in pvp I refer to as.....Eve Players. Pirates are specific sub-section of the memberbase who perform specific actions in the game. It's just that carebears (anti-pirates or whatever they call themselves) mistakenly overuse the term "pirate" when referring to players who engage in pvp, in what is after all a completely nonconsential pvp game. Their misuse diludes the definition of pirate. Pirates earn a living by killing others, ransoming, etc. Everyone else is simple another type of player, pvper, carebear, industrialist, whatever. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
Xavier Zedicus Priory of Zorrabed	Posted - 2008.08.26 17:34:00 - [49] A pirate is someone who DOES attack someone for a reason... personal profit, gain, or enjoyment of the hunt.
Skywalker Minmatar MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.26 21:12:00 - [50] <----THIS MAFIA Website

Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.26 21:13:00 - [51] Originally by: Skywalker <----THIS NO! <---- THIS!
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.08.26 21:38:00 - [52] I think it¦s mostly depends on the situation. I personaly like a good fight more that ganks and easy targets, what drives down the ISK income in the long run. Also by not making all my ISK from Loot would mean Im not realy a pirate. As I started Low Sec, I got ganked by a lot, but beeing ganked don¦t realy feels like you got robbed properly. I preaty mutch think that a bit of RP(yes it¦s hated by many) simply rounds up the picture. It¦s not about gank someone and take his loot in the end(this is basicly a standard part of EvE). It¦s about some sort of Image and let the target feel it is not ganked, it is robbed for his Mods or Ransom. I will not say that not do so makes you a worse pirate, but looking at Ginger or Tiller it takes quite a Ego(and Forum whoring) to deliver real pirate feeling. Pirating in the End is more about Image as about PVP on my Opinion, PVP is done a lot, but how many names come in Mind when it comes to pirating? In the end it is Image. Nothing more, nothing less, that seperates PVP from Pirating. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Defialed Cold Fury Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.27 00:07:00 - [53] wow never thought this thread would get this far lol.. ******* >you guys arent pirates, you gank people who jump through in haulers, real tough... Defialed >and here you are, smacking us in a pod, acting tough..its a game, we enjoy doing it, and theres nothing you can do about it [url=http://cfc.1337chris.org?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=39290] [/url]
kublai Caldari Art of War	Posted - 2008.08.27 00:14:00 - [54] <------- A-War Recruiting
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.27 01:49:00 - [55] gate camping is for noobs. Roaming gangs seems more like piracy to me. ----
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.27 01:59:00 - [56] Someone who kills others for pleasure and/or profit.
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.27 07:04:00 - [57] It always comes down to this. Personal preferece of the beholder dictates if one is a pirate or "random explicit word". Roaming, Gate-camping or even belt/planet piracy (which sadly is dead, you people on the dev team should take a look at that) it does not matter, Killing people in low-sec in order to steal their stuff or ransom their pod is piracy. Now please stop being artards.
Marchocias Silent Ninja's	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:37:00 - [58] Yaaaarrrrrrtards! ---- Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacoughcoughaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrr!!
Zantei	Posted - 2008.08.27 10:17:00 - [59] Some of you are way off. Pirates make money. Griefers kill people. Griefers ruin the pirating business because trust is lost when ransoms aren't honoured. In fact, no one pays any more because of all the kids who want killmails. ------------------------------------------
Lynal Gallente A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.27 11:57:00 - [60] Edited by: Lynal on 27/08/2008 12:06:10 Edited by: Lynal on 27/08/2008 12:05:37 pirates are epitomized, imho, by veto. they are ebil ebil people who kill, loot and destroy with disregard for the circumstances and people they steal from and kill. but... they also treat is as a bussiness. they dont pull stupid stunts like killing people who pay up for instance. if that means they have to kill their target because of issues like sentry guns, or refusal to pay up... so be it. but the key difference is they do it in pursuit of wealth... not in pursuit of simple homicidal pleasure. its the difference between a ganker and a pirate to me. the pirate disregards the rules in an effort to earn an income... a ganker simply kills for the simple pleasure of killing, with no other higher purpose. Originally by: Daeva Vios It's fair when the larger force is on my side. It's lame when the larger force is on their side. How have people not figured this out yet?

Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:21:00 - [61] Edited by: Nexus Kinnon on 27/08/2008 12:21:34 i hate these threads edit; page 3 sniper.
mahj Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:23:00 - [62] Pirate=Emotionaly stunted teen living off mom or the fat older desperate GF?
Haitchi Allamut The Movement	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:43:00 - [63] Originally by: mahj Pirate=Emotionaly stunted teen living off mom or the fat older desperate GF? Who are you? WHO HAVE YOU BEEN TALKING TOO?


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