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5pinDizzy
Amarr
Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.24 22:02:00 -
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I'm not being rhetorical, I don't know all there is about Eve, serious question.
I'm bored stiff of level 4's and can no longer stand doing them, even if I need the isk.
After many hours of exploration I've found stuff that's near worthless or worth squat.
Does exploration improve in nullsec? Is it worth trying out there?
I thought maybe nullsec ratting but it only about as profitable as level 4 missions. I thought at least it would be more interesting, I can get a battleship out in null but it's extremely vulnerable and very sluggish and takes ages to get it there if you don't die on the way.
People say a battlecruiser works instead but hmmm, that'd be hard going dps wise and maybe a battleship could attempt a complex?
Though Nullsec complexes as far as I know are pretty hard and need a rather good ship or help from more people.
NPC territories are all monopolised by one mega alliance all the other.
So I'm a bit stumped really on what there is to do for fun PVE wise.
I'm just in a funny mood where I want to go on a do or die treasure hunting adventure but I'm not really seeing anything to it.
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Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.24 22:04:00 -
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You will eventually get bored of the game if you stick to PVE activities. May I suggest some PVP combat? It's fun, really!
New Eden Research, where science is serious business!
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Outsourced Techsupport
56k Dialup.
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Posted - 2008.08.24 22:06:00 -
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Plunge yourself out into 0.0, ratting, exploration.. etc.
Take the time to do research / keep yourself safe, but don't think you need a 100% guarantee of success for something to be worthwhile. Keep a ship in highsec, ready for level 4's.
Use another for roaming out to 0.0 to rat, complex, whatever it is you like to do. Have fun with it. It's much more open ended than missions. If all else fails, you've got highsec to recover your losses, learn from what went wrong, and try again. |
Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.24 22:11:00 -
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Level 5 missions. Complexes in nulsec. Pirate agents in nulsec.
 Quote:
If you like playing EvE, but don't like to PvP ...
Maybe it's time you recognize that you don't really like to play EvE.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.08.24 22:15:00 -
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Considering that this is a PvP game, you probably will get bored of nothing but PvE. Shooting at mindless database entries and increasing numbers with no end goal is only fun for so long (if at all).
There are forms of PvP that don't involve getting shot at, like trading. But if your only interest is shooting at NPCs, then I'd say this is not the game for you.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.24 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jana Clant
You will eventually get bored of the game if you stick to PVE activities. May I suggest some PVP combat? It's fun, really!
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Volarius
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.24 22:39:00 -
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Like everyone said, this is a PvP game, which is probably why PvE isn't as much fun as it could be.
However, the main reason i think L4 mission are so boring is because there is no variation within the mission. That's the reason there are complete guides per mission: because every single one is the same.
That in addition to the fact that it is fairly slow action point click shoot dead point click shoot etc.
They do try to add variation, but only by adding new content, which keeps coming back to people that do a lot of L4.
CCP should make it so that more variable exist in similar missions, e.g. different ship positions, compositions etc. Perhaps different possible objectives once you warp into the deadspace pocket. Or the odd DDing titan ^_^
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.24 22:45:00 -
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I would like to see missions where you are supporting an NPC unit (i.e, you don't have all the aggro, and the NPC commander on your side is calling primary).
And missions that were made up of one or two enemy NPCs' that were PvP fit, and might warp out if you don't tackle them. These missions could then have you warp to various positions across the system (instead of 'one room' feeling), fighting one group, then another, etc. Varying up the encounters on a random scale.
Personally, if they add this kind of thing, they will probably be forced to make a new type of 'agent', so that those who rely on missions being easy all the time don't whine when they lose a mission-fit ship on a PvP-fit mission.
Quote:
If you like playing EvE, but don't like to PvP ...
Maybe it's time you recognize that you don't really like to play EvE.
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oilio
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.24 23:06:00 -
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If you want to do lots of fighting, and don't want all the politics of alliances, try joining your militia and doing some FW.
Lots and lots (and lots) of PvP. Great fun. |
Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.08.24 23:12:00 -
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It would be nice if missions prepared a player for PvP. Other things which might be good:
1. Player need to linger on the warp-in gate while the NPC mission team assembles. Random wait time ranging from 1 hour to ... never.
2. Inane babbling on eve-voice. Force the players to listen by only announcing mission objectives over the same voice channel.
3. Some of the NPC team necessary for mission completion need to lag behind and die every so often. Or just log out.
4. Occasionally the NPCs need to bring a fleet which blots out the sun. If this is too much of a load on the server this could be simulated by simply making the missioner's controls unresponsive for 15 minutes and sending them home in a pod.
Meh, L4s are just a grinding mechanic to lend weight to PvP ship loss. Like mining. It's a means, not an ends.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.25 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
It would be nice if missions prepared a player for PvP. Other things which might be good:
1. Player need to linger on the warp-in gate while the NPC mission team assembles. Random wait time ranging from 1 hour to ... never.
2. Inane babbling on eve-voice. Force the players to listen by only announcing mission objectives over the same voice channel.
3. Some of the NPC team necessary for mission completion need to lag behind and die every so often. Or just log out.
4. Occasionally the NPCs need to bring a fleet which blots out the sun. If this is too much of a load on the server this could be simulated by simply making the missioner's controls unresponsive for 15 minutes and sending them home in a pod.
Meh, L4s are just a grinding mechanic to lend weight to PvP ship loss. Like mining. It's a means, not an ends.
It isn't always this way. There are some good PvP groups out there, and some bad ones. It seems like you're in one of the bad ones.
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Crane needs more grid
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Frug
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.08.25 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
I'm not being rhetorical, I don't know all there is about Eve, serious question.
I'm bored stiff of level 4's and can no longer stand doing them, even if I need the isk.
How many can you have possibly done if you still need the isk?
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.25 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Frug
Originally by: 5pinDizzy
I'm not being rhetorical, I don't know all there is about Eve, serious question.
I'm bored stiff of level 4's and can no longer stand doing them, even if I need the isk.
How many can you have possibly done if you still need the isk?
I didn't feel comfortable until I got my first 10 billion 
But the good news for the OP was in the last newsletter. It sounds like the mission system is getting a revamp with more intelligent NPCs and storyline arcs. It almost sounded like they were going to introduce a mission generator which would be awesome.
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(Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
Kyberna
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Posted - 2008.08.25 10:46:00 -
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Yea, do pvp. It's fun, but you lose a lot of stuff.
Yesterday I got a frigate kill but lost a tristan and a velator. And took a big standing hit.
But it was epic funz 
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.08.25 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
I'm not being rhetorical, I don't know all there is about Eve, serious question.
I'm bored stiff of level 4's and can no longer stand doing them, even if I need the isk.
After many hours of exploration I've found stuff that's near worthless or worth squat.
Does exploration improve in nullsec? Is it worth trying out there?
I thought maybe nullsec ratting but it only about as profitable as level 4 missions. I thought at least it would be more interesting, I can get a battleship out in null but it's extremely vulnerable and very sluggish and takes ages to get it there if you don't die on the way.
People say a battlecruiser works instead but hmmm, that'd be hard going dps wise and maybe a battleship could attempt a complex?
Though Nullsec complexes as far as I know are pretty hard and need a rather good ship or help from more people.
NPC territories are all monopolised by one mega alliance all the other.
So I'm a bit stumped really on what there is to do for fun PVE wise.
I'm just in a funny mood where I want to go on a do or die treasure hunting adventure but I'm not really seeing anything to it.
PVE content is actually pretty good in null-sec. There is pirate missions which provide good rewards and a nice change from shooting the same old crap (first time shooting concord is always fun. As well as ratting there are alot of nice encounters (cosmic anomolies) which can be far more rewarding and certainly more interesting than belt ratting. Finally there is exploration which is really where 0.0 stands out in terms of PVE.
A 6/10 plex which can be found through exploration or as an escalation of an encounter is soloable (at least once you know it) and provides good rewards for a solo player.
Of course the problem with all this is safety. For belt ratting a battleship is indeed rather sluggish so a hac/command ship is a good investment. Many of the exploration sites do not require bs level firepower to complete either. If you are willing to accept lower level rewards a geat deal of 0.0 is safe (as its mostly empty). Only good true sec systems will be out of reach.
If you are really after a dangerous treasure hunt i would suggest belt ratting in a pirate "home" consteallation (fountain, stain, curse, delve, wahtever gurista one is). These regions have npc stations and more imporatantly have a modifier for belt spawns which means you get good spawns in poor true-sec areas, and can get officer spawns in any system (in non npc space the system must be below -0.9 to be officer capable).
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5pinDizzy
Amarr
Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.08.25 12:59:00 -
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Thx Doddy that post was really help and informative, the sort of reply I was hoping for infact.
Yeah I know there's pvp but it don't pay the bills, trying to save at the moment.
...and exploration in empire and lowsec is unbelievably competitive.
Took hours tracking down a site last night, went back to highsec, swapped ships, came back, someone had cleared it. I'd stayed up waaay waaay past my bedtime all for nothing and went to bed tearing my hair out.
So I decided to try looking again today right after downtime, Wahahaha me thinks, best chance surely.
First thing I found, already being scanned down by another cov ops in the system. 
So I'll bugger off to nullsec, yeah I might get killed but if I'm not surrounded by 50 competitors every 5 minutes then fine.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.08.25 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
So I'll bugger off to nullsec, yeah I might get killed but if I'm not surrounded by 50 competitors every 5 minutes then fine.
0.0 is pretty damn empty of competition for exploration sites. Just make sure you have a well tanked Hac or BC minimum for the sites or you will get your arse handed to you. And if your just after some quick isk and a good standings boost then scan out the basic sites with your built in scanner. They are usually worth about 10 mil a run and can go much much higher if you get one of the better ones. Careful though as some will snare you in a web/scram uber resist frigate trap and then drop 6 to 10 1.5 mil bs that fire like player ships on top of you. 
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.25 14:57:00 -
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It will probably shock a few folks that I'm suggesting this:
Try pvp.
Even a modest amount of pvp can make a difference, especially if you make the health and well being of your 0.0 group one of your priorities.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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