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Trilli Shaw	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:12:00 - [661] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Trilli Shaw The advantages of this nerf: zero The disadvantages of this nerf: lots of upset players, especially vets Advantages: - Even playing field - Achieving long term goal of removing capitals from high sec You want an 'even' playing field? There is no EVEN playing field!! The only even playing field would be if everyone has the same amount of SP, the same amount of isk, everything the same. I want variation! Rare oddities! Peculiar things! I want an Eve alive where you can stumble upon exotic things. If everyone can have everything it is VERY boring! And tell me, how are those high sec caps an unfair advantage for the owners? They cannot use it in combat. They can only show it off a bit, at the risk of getting it killed very quickly. You want an even playerfield? And who are you? I haven't heard anything that you improved Eve, neither out of game nor in game. Chribba is very active, Eve wouldn't be what it is now without him. If you want an EVEN playerfield you have to be consequent and forbid all those activities like eve-files and the chribba's love cans - because they make the playerfield uneven also. Those caps give damn no advantage to anyone. It is only that some spoiled brats cannot stand that they cannot have everything and then they whined to some favoured devs. Maybe the IA guy should have a look at this!
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:13:00 - [662] Irregardless of what's right or wrong in the discussion of capitals in highsec, and who should or should not be able to own them... ...someone at CCP's policy department is doing their job horribly wrong. The (in game balance terms) utter banality and irrelevance of the issue that this policy change addresses is staggering. It is compareable to a third-world country torn by famine and crime, where the government releases a new law that forbids the cutting of english lawn with nail scissors. It is completely ignorant of everything that goes on in the country, affects just about nobody at all, and will STILL raise a storm of public anger. Hmmm, I wonder why? CCP, why are you paying these guys money to spend their time wallowing in utter irrelevance, and occasionally trolling the community with moves like this? It is not even coordinated with the rest of CCP, as has been pointed out before, referencing the official presentation that quoted Chribba as a highsec cap pilot only two weeks ago or so. Clearly this department has been left alone for way too long. All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame. Yet it made a lot of players really angry, made the EVE universe just a tad more monotonous, and made CCP look really really silly and unorganized. Good job, really.
Richard Garriott	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:15:00 - [663] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo - Even playing field While were at it everyone should have 80m sp, +5s and a few billion isk too, right?
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:15:00 - [664] Originally by: Ishina Fel All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame. So why are people angry? By your logic, nothing's wrong with this move right? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died."
S1r Minealot Shade.	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:15:00 - [665] guys guys relax it's all part of the "fix the lag plan" of CCP, they are upsetting the player base that much lately that a lot of them will leave.. so lag is fixed.. you all know which dev came up with this idea tinfoil off
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:16:00 - [666] Originally by: Richard Garriott Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo - Even playing field While were at it everyone should have 80m sp, +5s and a few billion isk too, right? I think that is an excellent idea! sarks Anyone can achieve 80m sp, +5s and a few billion isk, so there is indeed a level playing field in that respect. However, nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died."
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:16:00 - [667] CCP -> You are really not the same.
Drebble Gallente North Star Networks Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:17:00 - [668] Originally by: Ishina Fel ...The (in game balance terms) utter banality and irrelevance of the issue that this policy change addresses is staggering. It is compareable to a third-world country torn by famine and crime, where the government releases a new law that forbids the cutting of english lawn with nail scissors. It is completely ignorant of everything that goes on in the country, affects just about nobody at all, and will STILL raise a storm of public anger. Hmmm, I wonder why? This is not only spot on, but made me laugh too! //Drebble (Still pondering on that tricky question posed earlier.)
Traidor Disloyal I Am Not A Lawyer	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:17:00 - [669] Originally by: Ishina Fel All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing It's done a damn good job of entertaining me. And that is not an easy thing to do because I am not easily amused. --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:18:00 - [670] Originally by: Kage Getsu Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind I realize you're just trolling, but - what special privilege? It's not like only characters named "Chribba" can have a high-sec cap. This was a retroactive change to remove any inconsistencies from the game that arose when capital ships were restricted to be built in low security systems only. If Chribba was immune to this then he would have been receiving special favours. Luckily CCP is not playing favourites and made the right choice. CCP has a history of rewarding individuals. Anyone who's ever won a unique ship for example. Also, anyone who's corp got a news entry devoted to it because of the corp's unique or innovative purpose within the game (Tchell and the Ninjas, for instance.) Chribba was being rewarded with High Sec caps (and apparently there were others who also still had them) because not only was he using them non-aggressively, but he was frickin mining with them. Mining. And of course on top of that there's all the services he offers and the fact that he's the only person in this game that most of us would trust with a third-party exchange. Now recruiting! Click FFS! :X

Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:18:00 - [671] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo However, nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir. If your pockets are deep enough (and filled with money), it should be no problem to get a high-sec cap. Sooner or later, most people would be willing to sell, I'm sure.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:19:00 - [672] Originally by: Cyberman Mastermind Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo However, nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir. If your pockets are deep enough (and filled with money), it should be no problem to get a high-sec cap. Sooner or later, most people would be willing to sell, I'm sure. That is not a cogent argument. "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died."
Captain Richthofen	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:19:00 - [673] Come on ccp what in the world were you thinking? The speed nerf I can handle even though I may not like it. But this is to much Chribba has every right to have a cap ship in high sec. This is just moronic and not at all like ccp was when I joined this game.
Richard Garriott	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:20:00 - [674] Edited by: Richard Garriott on 27/08/2008 16:20:13 Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Richard Garriott Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo - Even playing field While were at it everyone should have 80m sp, +5s and a few billion isk too, right? I think that is an excellent idea! sarks Anyone can achieve 80m sp, +5s and a few billion isk, so there is indeed a level playing field in that respect. However, nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir. If and when a new player achieves 80m sp, they still wont ever be ahead of a beta player who currently has 80m sp. Then again the new player could grind some ISK and buy an 80m sp beta character. Then again, that player could also buy the Pheonix currently for sale in Sobaseki, now couldn't he?
Semkhet Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:21:00 - [675] Originally by: Reptzo I have to agree with Scagga. I am always amazed at the self importance people have about being vets. Personally, I am always amazed that someone actually thinks the old players matter. They don't matter, AT ALL. If the vets left, eve would be like the wild west of America, insane gold rushes to 0.0, markets would go crazy, war would be insane. Than, like 2-3 months later, everything would be the way it was, but with different names, but people would get in their routines, and life would continue. I mean, seriously, did eve start with 50mil sp players?? NO. And it doesn't need them to continue. And in case your wondering, I have 55 mil sp, and I like having lots of sp, so I am not complaining about high level peeps. I mean seriously, in a game with over 250,000 players, if 10000 quit, there would be only a small reaction, and it might be good for eve. It has nothing to do with self-importance. Reactions like yours or Scagga are the mirror of your thoughts. It's in RL that winning counts, and not in a space-game. ****y & egocentric players by definition are those who drown into their unused testosterone which is far to be my case. More time passes by, less I log on. In fact, I only maintain all my subs in the hope that CCP will get their act together and correct the angle. So far this hasn't been the case and if EvE stays on its current path, I will probably let my subs expire in spring. Now there aren't 250'000 peeps playing EvE. These are 250'000 subs. And I could show you corps in EvE with 30 members and 90 accounts... BTW, to follow your figures, 10000 players quitting translate into a monthly lack of income ranging anywhere between 150K USD and 150K Ç. If you think that CCP will serve you better while making less cash, you certainly never managed any decent amount of money in RL.
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:21:00 - [676] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Ishina Fel All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame. So why are people angry? By your logic, nothing's wrong with this move right? Please do not reply to my posts before you have not read them in their entirety. Thank you.
Cyberman Mastermind	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:22:00 - [677] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo That is not a cogent argument. It's not easy. Not something a casual player could achieve. But it's not impossible and apparently has happened only recently(someone in here wrote about selling a high-sec capital).
Daan Sai HAZCON Inc	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:22:00 - [678] Is there any way to escalate this and make contact directly with, say, Oveur and get an official response on this? The frustration is building, and CCPs new forum policies are not helping here. I think Ethaet summed up nicely how it feels: http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0808/chribbahate.jpg Part of CCP obviously likes what the Chribba and the Veldnaught does for the game, but some other part is intent on just throwing away the goodwill. .
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:22:00 - [679] Originally by: Vitrael CCP -> You are really not the same. Agreed. Until now I figured the nano-nerf/suicide-gank nerf/nos nerf/damp nerf/nano-nerf etc etc were just CCP adapting towards a greater plan a 'better' plan, but one which still enabled players to become icons in a sandbox universe. Seems the whiners were right - CCP has devolved into a money grabbing maketeering driven load of old tripe. C. Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:23:00 - [680] Originally by: Ishina Fel Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Ishina Fel All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame. So why are people angry? By your logic, nothing's wrong with this move right? Please do not reply to my posts before you have not read them in their entirety. Thank you. Thanks for the note. I did. Now what do you have to say? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died."

teji Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:23:00 - [681] Originally by: Captain Richthofen Come on ccp what in the world were you thinking? The speed nerf I can handle even though I may not like it. But this is to much Chribba has every right to have a cap ship in high sec. This is just moronic and not at all like ccp was when I joined this game. You can handle ccp breaking two dozen game mechanics at once but you can't handle them moving a few0 capitals into lowsec to match current game mechanic rules. That's pretty funny.
Trilli Shaw	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:23:00 - [682] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Ishina Fel All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame. So why are people angry? By your logic, nothing's wrong with this move right? Stupid troll is stupid. Those high sec caps are an attraction and sight-seeing monuments. They pose no threat nor danger because they cannot engange in combat. They are there for the SHOWCASE. For FUN! Removing them is bad bad move from CCP. There is absolutly no reason. It only destroys uniquness in Eve. And that is ALWAYS bad. And seriously, why do they even waste one second of their dev time for this? Aren't there more important matters at hand???
Traidor Disloyal I Am Not A Lawyer	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:23:00 - [683] Originally by: Captain Richthofen Chribba has every right to have a cap ship in high sec. Now I am serious. Why does he have the right to have a cap ship in High Sec? --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:25:00 - [684] Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 27/08/2008 16:24:53 Originally by: Traidor Disloyal Now I am serious. Why does he have the right to have a cap ship in High Sec? Originally by: Dirk Magnum CCP has a history of rewarding individuals. Anyone who's ever won a unique ship for example. Also, anyone who's corp got a news entry devoted to it because of the corp's unique or innovative purpose within the game (Tchell and the Ninjas, for instance.) Chribba was being rewarded with High Sec caps (and apparently there were others who also still had them) because not only was he using them non-aggressively, but he was frickin mining with them. Mining. And of course on top of that there's all the services he offers and the fact that he's the only person in this game that most of us would trust with a third-party exchange. mmyep Now recruiting! Click FFS! :X
Hope Xar	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:25:00 - [685] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo ... nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir. Everyone can achieve a high sec cap. Just buy it. Look at the trade forums, there were enough trades in the past. So stop throwing around completely wrong opinions and stop calling them facts, because they are just lies.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:25:00 - [686] Originally by: Trilli Shaw Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Ishina Fel All in all, the move has achieved absolutely nothing, did not prevent anything from happening ingame, did not encourage anything to happen ingame. So why are people angry? By your logic, nothing's wrong with this move right? Stupid troll is stupid. Those high sec caps are an attraction and sight-seeing monuments. They pose no threat nor danger because they cannot engange in combat. They are there for the SHOWCASE. For FUN! Removing them is bad bad move from CCP. There is absolutly no reason. It only destroys uniquness in Eve. And that is ALWAYS bad. And seriously, why do they even waste one second of their dev time for this? Aren't there more important matters at hand??? Oh I don't know what to say to this, post with your main? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died."
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:26:00 - [687] Originally by: Hope Xar Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo ... nobody could achieve a cap in high sec - there is a difference between difficult and impossible, sir. Everyone can achieve a high sec cap. Just buy it. Look at the trade forums, there were enough trades in the past. So stop throwing around completely wrong opinions and stop calling them facts, because they are just lies. Limited commodity. No, not everyone can do so. If all of them are sold out and suddenly the players were to have moved to the low sec (whence they cannot be returned), what do you do? "I had a read of the General discussion section. Part of my empathy to my fellow man died."
Kage Getsu Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:27:00 - [688] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Dirk Magnum CCP has a history of rewarding individuals. Anyone who's ever won a unique ship for example. Also, anyone who's corp got a news entry devoted to it because of the corp's unique or innovative purpose within the game (Tchell and the Ninjas, for instance.) Chribba was being rewarded with High Sec caps (and apparently there were others who also still had them) because not only was he using them non-aggressively, but he was frickin mining with them. Mining. And of course on top of that there's all the services he offers and the fact that he's the only person in this game that most of us would trust with a third-party exchange. mmyep How does winning a unique ship compare to an everyday ship that just happens to be in a weird spot? _________________________________________________________
Reptzo Channel 4 News Team	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:27:00 - [689] Originally by: Semkhet Originally by: Reptzo I said stuff It has nothing to do with self-importance. Reactions like yours or Scagga are the mirror of your thoughts. It's in RL that winning counts, and not in a space-game. **y & egocentric players by definition are those who drown into their unused testosterone which is far to be my case. *Reptzo here -> Not sure if you are agreeing with me or not*** More time passes by, less I log on. In fact, I only maintain all my subs in the hope that CCP will get their act together and correct the angle. So far this hasn't been the case and if EvE stays on its current path, I will probably let my subs expire in spring. Now there aren't 250'000 peeps playing EvE. These are 250'000 subs. And I could show you corps in EvE with 30 members and 90 accounts... BTW, to follow your figures, 10000 players quitting translate into a monthly lack of income ranging anywhere between 150K USD and 150K Ç. If you think that CCP will serve you better while making less cash, you certainly never managed any decent amount of money in RL. You are saying that having more money, makes CCP better? By your statement or them having less cash = bad for me. So what you are saying is that EvE has gotten better and better the more people have sub'd up??? So, your saying you don't play this better EvE, which is made possible by the more money, because you don't like the better EvE?? I like the old EvE, the one where it was hard to get ahead, big things were impossible, big ships nuked little ships, and if you were not in the mafia, you never would be, unless you could prove you were worth their time. I liked the cold harsh, empty EvE, where everything was hard. I only really play now (mostly just log in and chat), because I have played for so long, and don't want to just throw in the towel.
Erikel Cosmic Odyssey Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.08.27 16:28:00 - [690] CCP sorry, but you fail epically on this one.



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