Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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Okay fine. Chribba had the endorsement of CCP for those ships, but not the "right". Whatever. The fact that they decide to move them now, without any notification and apparently without any reason, is the silly thing.

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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo

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Personally I think items such as the Impoc/Fedathron should be attainable via the LP stores (at an extortionate price), but that's a completely different discussion.

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Originally by: Hope Xar

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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo

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Personally I think items such as the Impoc/Fedathron should be attainable via the LP stores (at an extortionate price), but that's a completely different discussion.

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You don't get it, do you?

Unique items is what the game makes interesting and special.

If everyone can get everything, then the game is dead pretty soon. Died because of boredom.

The high sec capitals are very few and rare. It was not like that they were abundant and causing troubles in any way.

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Originally by: Lilin

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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 27/08/2008 16:35:20

Originally by: Traidor Disloyal

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Does Cribba have a piece of paper issued by CCP that says he has a right to have a cap ship in High Sec.

He had a cap ship in High Sec because it was convienent to CCP at the time. That aint a right.

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Yes, he had explicit endorsement from CCP to have High Sec cap ships. Also it wasn't convenient to CCP to let him have those. It would have been convenient to move Chribba's out of High Sec back when they moved out everyone else's, but they made an exception for him and a few others who had turned their Caps into weapons of love tbh.

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Still, it is not a right to have one in High Sec.

The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes. He had his fun with that cap ship. I am sure he has made a profit with it. Now he just has to place guns on it if he still wants to fly it. Crap happens. Get over it. Move on. Water under the bridge.

If CCP goes back on letting just him have his oh so unique cap ship in high sec they will look like fools. Caving, in record time I might add, to the whinny babies on the forum. Caving to something that has nothing to do with the actual game play itself. I could care less if he leaves the game in the next five minutes because he is ticked off at what CCP did to him. I could care less if you all left in protest with him.

It's a game, get over yourselves.

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Thats quite a lot of text for someone who doesn't care :D

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Originally by: Reptzo

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You are saying that having more money, makes CCP better? By your statement or them having less cash = bad for me.

So what you are saying is that EvE has gotten better and better the more people have sub'd up??? So, your saying you don't play this better EvE, which is made possible by the more money, because you don't like the better EvE?? I like the old EvE, the one where it was hard to get ahead, big things were impossible, big ships nuked little ships, and if you were not in the mafia, you never would be, unless you could prove you were worth their time. I liked the cold harsh, empty EvE, where everything was hard. I only really play now (mostly just log in and chat), because I have played for so long, and don't want to just throw in the towel.

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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal

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The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes

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Originally by: Cpt Branko

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EvE without collector's items would be a poorer game on the whole

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Originally by: Hope Xar

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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo

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Personally I think items such as the Impoc/Fedathron should be attainable via the LP stores (at an extortionate price), but that's a completely different discussion.

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You don't get it, do you?

Unique items is what the game makes interesting and special.

If everyone can get everything, then the game is dead pretty soon. Died because of boredom.

The high sec capitals are very few and rare. It was not like that they were abundant and causing troubles in any way.

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Originally by: Korinn

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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal

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The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes

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They wouldn't own shit without people paying their wages

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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo

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Originally by: Korinn

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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal

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The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes

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They wouldn't own shit without people paying their wages

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Indeed, and they know that even the whiners come back for their EVE fix.

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Originally by: Lucas Avignon

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CCP have been making a load of questionable decisions recently from removing moms/titans from the game to the ott nano nerf and suicide ganking nerf. And now this irrelevant waste of time.

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Originally by: Semkhet

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So there's a moment where you have to draw the line. And seeing how they handled today a player, Chribba, after all the dedication he invested by compensating obvious flaws of this website starts to give me a bad taste in the mouth knowing that my money is landing in the pockets of people showing such disregard.

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Originally by: Buildius Maximus

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Reverse the policy CCP

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Originally by: Semkhet

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Originally by: Reptzo

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I said stuff

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Let's say it that way: for every venture, there is what you could call a "critical mass", which corresponds to the best income vs overhead. IMHO, CCP never managed to define with any solid long-term vision where should this "critical mass" stand.

There are structural problems within this game like lag that CCP is dragging since day one. Nowadays not even the item database on the web site is up-to-date. There are bugs everywhere, just to name one, the AI is still unable to perform garbage collection in order to automatically destroy nonexistent objects, etc, etc, etc...

And despite being perfectly aware about a multitude of imperfections, CCP just seem to care about providing new content. Now software engineering is not so different than real estate building from a reliability perspective: you can't get a solid product if the foundations suffer flaws.

I can still cope with all that and the resulting jewels, like for example loosing a full faction ceptor plus a snake pod to a huginn which scrambled and webbed me before even appearing on my overview (thx to lag again). Shit happens and that's it. No problem here. What instead is slowly pushing me to consider EvE a lost case is the seemingly erratic decision-making process which plagues CCP since a good year I would say.

I did not forget the Windows system files screw up. Frankly, had the Q&A guy worked for me, next day he would have hit the street. But it's worse than that: there's no way such a bug could have gone unforeseen, which IMHO means that for whatever reason, CCP didn't even test a piece of code they distributed to thousands of paying customers.

So there's a moment where you have to draw the line. And seeing how they handled today a player, Chribba, after all the dedication he invested by compensating obvious flaws of this website starts to give me a bad taste in the mouth knowing that my money is landing in the pockets of people showing such disregard.

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Originally by: Korinn

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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal

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The sooner people realize that this is a game owned by CCP and thus under the rules of CCP they will have a lot less heartburn when it comes to game changes

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They wouldn't own shit without people paying their wages

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Originally by: Vikarion

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If they aren't, then why do they:

Ignore repeated requests to fix bugs
"Fix" problems that don't need fixing
Consistently take the path that is easiest for them, rather than best for the playerbase
Ignore the potential consequences of bad decisions and expect us to compensate for those decisions.
When they do finally address an issue, ignore all intelligent player theories about fixes and implement draconian nerfs.
Refuse to communicate a vision or theme for Eve.
Adopt a culture of "we're right, you're wrong" when dealing with players.

And more. Not gonna list it all tonight - it's 1:30 here. And I'd be in bed if I wasn't so ****ed off about them doing this.

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Originally by: Verite Rendition

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Chribba, thank you for the information and I am extremely sorry this had to happen to you. You should have been the last person to lose their Veldnought, not the first.

In return I thank you for bringing this forward in such a thoughtful manner, and for sticking up for all high-sec capital ship pilots and not just yourself. I intend to return the favor.

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I, like Chribba, am a Veldnought owner (come visit me in Stacmon some time). In the long time that I have owned my mining Phoenix, I have abided by CCP's requirements; I have never abused its power, I have served my role as an icon for the tourists, and in return I have been allowed to continue pulverizing the Veldspar of Stacmon. I worked hard to acquire my ship, and like some people have T2 BPOs and others have their Luxury Yachts, I have owned my ridiculous mining ship as my collectible item in this game.

I see nor know of any reason that these ships should be removed, certainly not now. These ships are the trophies of their owners, representing something fun and unique that many people in this game will never see. To put it bluntly these are the rocks in the sandbox; something that shouldn't be there, and yet they exist and make the sandbox notable and memorable. EVE is that sandbox.

And Chribba above all has put in an unparalleled amount of effort in to improving this game. It is with the utmost dissatisfaction and disapproval that the man who has done the most for the game gets the least in return, by being unfairly stripped of his prize possession. If there can be only one Veldnought, then without a doubt it should be his, but instead he is the first to lose.

My closing thoughts are these:

CCP, we have held up our end of the bargain. Will you be holding up yours?

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Originally by: Verite Rendition

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Chribba, thank you for the information and I am extremely sorry this had to happen to you. You should have been the last person to lose their Veldnought, not the first.

In return I thank you for bringing this forward in such a thoughtful manner, and for sticking up for all high-sec capital ship pilots and not just yourself. I intend to return the favor.

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I, like Chribba, am a Veldnought owner (come visit me in Stacmon some time). In the long time that I have owned my mining Phoenix, I have abided by CCP's requirements; I have never abused its power, I have served my role as an icon for the tourists, and in return I have been allowed to continue pulverizing the Veldspar of Stacmon. I worked hard to acquire my ship, and like some people have T2 BPOs and others have their Luxury Yachts, I have owned my ridiculous mining ship as my collectible item in this game.

I see nor know of any reason that these ships should be removed, certainly not now. These ships are the trophies of their owners, representing something fun and unique that many people in this game will never see. To put it bluntly these are the rocks in the sandbox; something that shouldn't be there, and yet they exist and make the sandbox notable and memorable. EVE is that sandbox.

And Chribba above all has put in an unparalleled amount of effort in to improving this game. It is with the utmost dissatisfaction and disapproval that the man who has done the most for the game gets the least in return, by being unfairly stripped of his prize possession. If there can be only one Veldnought, then without a doubt it should be his, but instead he is the first to lose.

My closing thoughts are these:

CCP, we have held up our end of the bargain. Will you be holding up yours?

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Originally by: Haraldhardrade

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Didt you read the tentonhammer interview with Dr.E? CCP wants to make EVE more mainstream and attract more girls. No offense to the female players here, but EVE is going to get watered down with time, into a mainstram mmo thats completely unlike what EVE once was.

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Originally by: Haraldhardrade

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Originally by: Vikarion

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If they aren't, then why do they:

Ignore repeated requests to fix bugs
"Fix" problems that don't need fixing
Consistently take the path that is easiest for them, rather than best for the playerbase
Ignore the potential consequences of bad decisions and expect us to compensate for those decisions.
When they do finally address an issue, ignore all intelligent player theories about fixes and implement draconian nerfs.
Refuse to communicate a vision or theme for Eve.
Adopt a culture of "we're right, you're wrong" when dealing with players.

And more. Not gonna list it all tonight - it's 1:30 here. And I'd be in bed if I wasn't so ****ed off about them doing this.

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Didt you read the tentonhammer interview with Dr.E? CCP wants to make EVE more mainstream and attract more girls. No offense to the female players here, but EVE is going to get watered down with time, into a mainstram mmo thats completely unlike what EVE once was.

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Originally by: Reptzo

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I think you and I are arguing with each other, but arguing the same point. When I read your posts, I feel like we are on the same side, throw rocks at the other team, yelling at each other. LOL

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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo

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This, my friend, will be an awesome boost to piracy.

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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo

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This, my friend, will be an awesome boost to piracy.

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