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Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:33:00 - [1] ... For a while. Look, this is great and all... Admittedly I spend most of my time manufacturing stuff, mining a bit. Providing the Faction Warfare dudes with ships to blow up... Then occasionally I'll run a level 4 in its entire monotony, Go here, Blow up these dudes, Get the damsel. Earn 10m, loot.. salvage.. Do it all again until it gets so boring I just log for the night. PVP is okay but only for as long as I can afford it, I only fly cruisers but the cost stacks up... EVE is nice, as far as space MMOs go. But when CCP do incredibly daft things, then refuse to explain themselves.. or rather, just DELETE posts... I start to doubt their motives a bit. I kinda question what they're up to. Are we seriously going to have Hello Kitty Online in Space now? Are we getting capitals out of High Sec because they "arent supposed to be there" or because we're afraid the noobs won't like to be near anything bigger than a raven? As far as this logic goes, i'll tell you want isn't meant to be in High Sec. Freighters, Jump Freighters, Suicide Ganking, Hulks that strip belts in 20 minutes, Command Ships, Stealth bombers, Can baiting in newbie systems. All of these things aren't supposed to be in super-fuzzy-friendly 1.0 sec space, they pose threats or are overpowered for that area of space. Not nearly as much threat as an Amarr Dreadnought with Mining Lasers fitted though. What the hell does that do except mine 'roids? If it does anything wrong, CONCORD will blow the shit out of it. Its quite simple. By the way, since this decision is ignoring backstory, lets get that Titan out of Luminaire shall we? Those aren't supposed to be in High Sec because they apparently **** up the tides of any planets they're local to but it appears to be in High Sec anyway. I'm not even going to go into the execution of the "Nano Nerf" or how Level 4s still haven't been addressed concerning risk/reward...
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:36:00 - [2] Come to think of it, I still have an active City of Villains subscription I share with my friends. Haven't picked that up in a while since it's a pile of ridiculously poor design, but at least the players can't build anything up just to get the shit kicked out of it for no reason. (Yes, I know I'm rendering my disappointment everywhere, don't point it out, it's not going to help a bit.) __________________________________ CCP, WTH? Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:36:00 - [3] Yeah. I'm seriously starting to think that I may need to find a new game. I have a lot invested in Eve, but with the way they keep hurting players for no good reason...well, it's starting to look like I'm gonna lose that investment one way or the other in any case. -------- Where I got my great sig...
Ricier	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:38:00 - [4] It's just CCP's new toy "the weel of nerf" they spinn it and see what item they destroy today. CCP stoped caring about anything else then Money a loong time ago :(
Lyvv Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:41:00 - [5] Darkfall is coming =) and it looks promising http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlV3iTzAf9U
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Ricier It's just CCP's new toy "the weel of nerf" they spinn it and see what item they destroy today. CCP stopped caring about anything other than Money a loong time ago :( FYP Someone actually made a wheel of nerf flash a few days ago, IIRC. cba to look for it (it'll turn up). I think hisec capitals were on it. ... No, that definitely can't be the reason. __________________________________ CCP, WTH? Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:42:00 - [7] I went back to WoW for a couple of months earlier this year - all I can is - don't. All the things that made classic WoW a great game for me are, for the most part, gone. I could go on for a page about the hows and the whys, all I'll say though is that for a themepark not-completely-easymode raiding game I'm holding out for Aion (was going to try WAR but I'm stuck in Afghanistan atm and you can't really play most MMOs other than Eve with 3-4s lag). It doesn't help that everyone, without exception, that I raided with back when the game was new is gone now - it's like the AOL of MMOs, it feeds off noobs and when there are no more noobs their business model will collapse. Of course I'll still play Eve - Eve is a great game in its own right and can be played with a light time commitment if you want to take a break :) ---
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:43:00 - [8] I hear Warhammer might be good. I might try that out. -------- Where I got my great sig...
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:44:00 - [9] As a fair warning, whereever you go, whatever you do, every step you take, every move you make, they'll be nerfing you It's not that different out there, better the "evil" you know. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Shadow Sapphire	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:44:00 - [10] http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/ This games comes out in 2009 . CCP will have some serious competition and realise that mistakes must not be made .
Aioa Planetary Assault Systems	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Reven Cordelle But when CCP do incredibly daft things, then refuse to explain themselves.. or rather, just DELETE posts... I start to doubt their motives a bit. There was already multiple threads about it. Spam gets deleted. Originally by: Reven Cordelle Not nearly as much threat as an Amarr Dreadnought with Mining Lasers fitted though. What the hell does that do except mine 'roids? If it does anything wrong, CONCORD will blow the shit out of it. Its quite simple. Well, not quite. A hi-sec cap isn't allowed to engage in any sort of combat, whether legal or not. Allegedly, Chribba's did.
Black Tahee1	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:46:00 - [12] Can I haz your stuff?
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Black Tahee1 Can I haz your stuff? I'll make sure you're first on the list for 172 Blueprints.
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Black Tahee1 Can I haz your stuff? No. If I quit, all my characters and their stuff will be terminated. -------- Where I got my great sig...
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:49:00 - [15] Edited by: Vikarion on 27/08/2008 08:49:31 Originally by: Aioa Well, not quite. A hi-sec cap isn't allowed to engage in any sort of combat, whether legal or not. Allegedly, Chribba's did. You mean where someone tried to suicide him and got Concordokened? That's not engaging in combat. That's watching the other guy get Concordokened. EDIT: Besides, it's not just Chribbas's Dreadnought. Every hi-sec cap has been moved. -------- Where I got my great sig...
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Terianna Eri Come to think of it, I still have an active City of Villains subscription I share with my friends. Haven't picked that up in a while since it's a pile of ridiculously poor design, but at least the players can't build anything up just to get the shit kicked out of it for no reason. (Yes, I know I'm rendering my disappointment everywhere, don't point it out, it's not going to help a bit.) The reason you can build something up in eve is because people can kick the shit out of you. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Black Tahee1	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Black Tahee1 Can I haz your stuff? No. If I quit, all my characters and their stuff will be terminated. But iz are poor
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Black Tahee1 Can I haz your stuff? No. If I quit, all my characters and their stuff will be terminated. Don't do this. Honestly. Leave the stuff hanging about the cargobay, gather dust and your clone in your bay. Trust me, you don't want to jump to harsh decicions and then come back a year later with a very long tail between your legs. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Shevar Originally by: Terianna Eri Come to think of it, I still have an active City of Villains subscription I share with my friends. Haven't picked that up in a while since it's a pile of ridiculously poor design, but at least the players can't build anything up just to get the shit kicked out of it for no reason. (Yes, I know I'm rendering my disappointment everywhere, don't point it out, it's not going to help a bit.) The reason you can build something up in eve is because people can kick the shit out of you. Sure, people can - other players - that's what makes the game great. Getting stuff randomly wiped by the developers is a little different though, no? __________________________________ CCP, WTH? Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Black Tahee1 Can I haz your stuff? No. If I quit, all my characters and their stuff will be terminated. Don't do this. Honestly. Leave the stuff hanging about the cargobay, gather dust and your clone in your bay. Trust me, you don't want to jump to harsh decicions and then come back a year later with a very long tail between your legs. Trust me, when I make decisions, I stick to them. Which is one reason I haven't decided to quit yet. I'm not sure I want to. When I want to - which CCP seems to be trying to effect - I will, and I won't look back. -------- Where I got my great sig...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Lyvv Edited by: Lyvv on 27/08/2008 08:50:23 Darkfall is coming =) and it looks promising http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlV3iTzAf9U "Darkfall places NO RESTRICTIONS on player interaction. So there are no developer imposed safe zones, no realms, factions, PVP Zones or any other roadblocks that limit your game." Sounds good to me, good enough anyways to give it a try. lol lol lol lol lol lol you must of just found out about it it's never coming out sorry to rain on your happy mmorpg world.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.27 08:58:00 - [22] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/08/2008 08:59:08 Originally by: Vikarion Trust me, when I make decisions, I stick to them. Which is one reason I haven't decided to quit yet. I'm not sure I want to. When I want to - which CCP seems to be trying to effect - I will, and I won't look back. Oh i know, i'm like that too, and i do what i do when i do, but i'm saying there's no harm in leaving your stuff to rot somewhere. I've seen ti countless times and even the strongheaded of us sometimes feel "nostalgic" and then realise "hey, i like it back here", before the "oh crap what did i do?!" sets in. Like i said, no harm in leaving the stuff around and just cancelling subscription. It'll wait there, indefinetaly, and if you choose to return(or not), it's better to come to a full bay then an empty one. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:00:00 - [23] Originally by: Shadow Sapphire http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/ This games comes out in 2009 . CCP will have some serious competition and realise that mistakes must not be made . it's never going to come out where is your date! ... ... HOLY SHIT A BETA COMBAT ENGINE
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:00:00 - [24] Originally by: Shadow Sapphire http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/ This games comes out in 2009 . CCP will have some serious competition and realise that mistakes must not be made . Thanks for the link. this does look really interesting. Especially this "In Infinity, you are directly controlling your ships movements and weaponry in a twitch-based way, targeting your every movement. Your own skills and dexterity as a player make the difference, not a list of stats or skills on your character sheet!" I do feel sometimes that this game is going down hill and people at ccp are moving away from what made eve great. Looking out for other space mmo's. But i have loads invested in eve and i wont be leaving any time soon
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 27/08/2008 08:59:08 Originally by: Vikarion Trust me, when I make decisions, I stick to them. Which is one reason I haven't decided to quit yet. I'm not sure I want to. When I want to - which CCP seems to be trying to effect - I will, and I won't look back. Oh i know, i'm like that too, and i do what i do when i do, but i'm saying there's no harm in leaving your stuff to rot somewhere. I've seen ti countless times and even the strongheaded of us sometimes feel "nostalgic" and then realise "hey, i like it back here", before the "oh crap what did i do?!" sets in. Like i said, no harm in leaving the stuff around and just cancelling subscription. It'll wait there, indefinetaly, and if you choose to return(or not), it's better to come to a full bay then an empty one. yeah I take breaks all the time (ok 2 times) and you can just come back later when maybe it gets good again. even if that's like 4 years.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:02:00 - [26] Originally by: LordSwift Originally by: Shadow Sapphire http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/ This games comes out in 2009 . CCP will have some serious competition and realise that mistakes must not be made . Thanks for the link. this does look really interesting. Especially this "In Infinity, you are directly controlling your ships movements and weaponry in a twitch-based way, targeting your every movement. Your own skills and dexterity as a player make the difference, not a list of stats or skills on your character sheet!" I do feel sometimes that this game is going down hill and people at ccp are moving away from what made eve great. Looking out for other space mmo's. But i have loads invested in eve and i wont be leaving any time soon don't expect to pilot interesting captial ships though. this sort of combat means you won't be able to really fly a capital ship.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Shadow Sapphire http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/ This games comes out in 2009 . CCP will have some serious competition and realise that mistakes must not be made . Infinity poses a massive threat as the devs seem to have looked at what EVE players want, and put it into Infinity. For example, Planetary Flight and being able to paint your ship. Some players will jump on the twitch combat, newtonian physics and compliance to astrophysics. Sense of scale appears to be very good. Oh, and judging by the concept art and renders... the ships aren't 80% Ugly design abominations either.
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:30:00 - [28] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: LordSwift Who says i want to pilot a capital ship. In X3 i dont like flying those or other huge things. Far to slow. I like the fighters and battleships. well yeah I never said it should turn you off to the game just saying :) fair enough
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Ledoux Holdings	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:30:00 - [29] I would just like to say that I would treat your stuff so well, it wouldn't even know you were gone. _
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:33:00 - [30] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Originally by: Shadow Sapphire http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/ This games comes out in 2009 . CCP will have some serious competition and realise that mistakes must not be made . Infinity poses a massive threat as the devs seem to have looked at what EVE players want, and put it into Infinity. For example, Planetary Flight and being able to paint your ship. Some players will jump on the twitch combat, newtonian physics and compliance to astrophysics. Sense of scale appears to be very good. Oh, and judging by the concept art and renders... the ships aren't 80% Ugly design abominations either. Yes and also by the fact that you will posssibly be able to own your own planet, station, city etc Also it will have planet interaction from the start so i will be very interested.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:40:00 - [31] Originally by: Lyvv Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Lyvv Edited by: Lyvv on 27/08/2008 08:50:23 Darkfall is coming =) and it looks promising http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlV3iTzAf9U "Darkfall places NO RESTRICTIONS on player interaction. So there are no developer imposed safe zones, no realms, factions, PVP Zones or any other roadblocks that limit your game." Sounds good to me, good enough anyways to give it a try. lol lol lol lol lol lol you must of just found out about it it's never coming out sorry to rain on your happy mmorpg world. lololol?!@ wtf? Did your mom take drugs during pregnancy? did you take E before posting to make the world fit your dream that the game is coming out?
Mistress Luck	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:40:00 - [32] Originally by: LordSwift [ Yes and also by the fact that you will posssibly be able to own your own planet, station, city etc Also it will have planet interaction from the start so i will be very interested. And no jumpgates. Several billion stars. Gravity wells. Asteroid belts that stretch around the entire system or planet. Planetary rings you can fly into. I have fond memories of Elite, and I will be jumping to Infinity from day 1 of launch.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:41:00 - [33] Originally by: LordSwift Originally by: Reven Cordelle Originally by: Shadow Sapphire http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/ This games comes out in 2009 . CCP will have some serious competition and realise that mistakes must not be made . Infinity poses a massive threat as the devs seem to have looked at what EVE players want, and put it into Infinity. For example, Planetary Flight and being able to paint your ship. Some players will jump on the twitch combat, newtonian physics and compliance to astrophysics. Sense of scale appears to be very good. Oh, and judging by the concept art and renders... the ships aren't 80% Ugly design abominations either. Yes and also by the fact that you will posssibly be able to own your own planet, station, city etc Also it will have planet interaction from the start so i will be very interested. now the real disscusion should be about what will infinity do with 2 other mmorpg coming out with the same lines of thinking?
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:56:00 - [34] You always come back to EvE. Other MMos are just a failure in the long run. Short term fun only.. -------------------------------------- Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
Sarin Adler Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.27 09:58:00 - [35] Which 2? Jumpgate is not even close to Infinity (Infinity is more like a combination of Jumpgate + EVE indeed), and otehr I can't think of. Anyway is a long time until nothing is released, so I'll be in EVE forawhile, but better CCP starts to wake up and actually evolve their engine and add real features + fixing stuff. Also controlling your ship is win for me (and you will be able to control caps in Infinity, just will be a team effort to get them and probably fly them; like Titans here pretty much).
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.08.27 10:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Shadow Sapphire http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/ This games comes out in 2009 . CCP will have some serious competition and realise that mistakes must not be made Eh. This is all I needed to know to loose my interest in that game: Linky Originally by: Infinity FAQ What will the combat look like ? Twitch ? Point and click ? Combats will be real-time, twitch (action) based, much like in a flight simulator or a first-person shooter. You will be in full control of your ship. Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.08.27 10:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Sarin Adler Which 2? Jumpgate is not even close to Infinity (Infinity is more like a combination of Jumpgate + EVE indeed), and otehr I can't think of. Anyway is a long time until nothing is released, so I'll be in EVE forawhile, but better CCP starts to wake up and actually evolve their engine and add real features + fixing stuff. Also controlling your ship is win for me (and you will be able to control caps in Infinity, just will be a team effort to get them and probably fly them; like Titans here pretty much). have you played jumpgate it's been around for a long long time.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.27 10:18:00 - [38] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Shadow Sapphire http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/ This games comes out in 2009 . CCP will have some serious competition and realise that mistakes must not be made Eh. This is all I needed to know to loose my interest in that game: Linky Originally by: Infinity FAQ What will the combat look like ? Twitch ? Point and click ? Combats will be real-time, twitch (action) based, much like in a flight simulator or a first-person shooter. You will be in full control of your ship. Personally I welcome twitch, rather than relying on your guns to track, its down to your ship and maneuvering it yourself. Battles could be oh so much more intense if you're actually flying your ship. Rather than just dithering around outside of it.
Ashlee Darksky	Posted - 2008.08.27 10:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Shadow Sapphire http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/ This games comes out in 2009 . CCP will have some serious competition and realise that mistakes must not be made . Now this looks interesting... :) --- I see fail everywhere, and it's like they don't even know they're failing ---
Sanzorz Amarr EVEfan.dk	Posted - 2008.08.27 10:29:00 - [40] Infinity looks daft. Not to mention some of the game mechanics is gonna make me cry. Frigates can lose a wing and start spinning around...in space? That's just wrong. Durability on boosters and guns. This means that you gotta repair constantly when used, rof will be less favoured and alpha has more importance. This prolly leads to the Alpha of Doom like in EVE before the hp buff. I didn't take my sweet time to notice regarding skills. Does it only improve when you are online like a grindfest or does it have a skilling system like EVE? If the first, then no can do. I hate a grind fest just to raise in the grades. EVE is more managable this way.
Casino Alkasar Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.27 10:31:00 - [41] fix things that are not broken? check _________________ itze mine Rock¦n roll
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.08.27 10:42:00 - [42] i think il be trying out the Beta combat engine tonight :)
Benco97 Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.27 10:53:00 - [43] I'm not that interested in "Twitch based combat" for a space sim myself, just means my arthritic hands won't stand a chance at all, great fun knowing I'll loose every fight no matter what and the guy with the best mouse wins Also, surely it just means every fight will be a "Dogfight", two ships twirling around trying to get behind the other? If engage -> twirl -> shoot is more exciting than Engage -> keep your ranges, speeds, transversal correct -> shoot, all it means is you have to move the mouse more. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
LordSwift INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE	Posted - 2008.08.27 11:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Benco97 I'm not that interested in "Twitch based combat" for a space sim myself, just means my arthritic hands won't stand a chance at all, great fun knowing I'll loose every fight no matter what and the guy with the best mouse wins Also, surely it just means every fight will be a "Dogfight", two ships twirling around trying to get behind the other? If engage -> twirl -> shoot is more exciting than Engage -> keep your ranges, speeds, transversal correct -> shoot, all it means is you have to move the mouse more. Fair point, i think its up to a persons opinion really. i really like EVE but i also enjoyed X3, Freelancer and Tacyon - The Fringe, they all allowed you to have decent dogfights using a joystick or mouse and keyboard. I like fighting that way but i also like EVE way. Sometimes, bit dull when you turn on guns and wait in eve.
Mistress Luck	Posted - 2008.08.27 11:12:00 - [45] Edited by: Mistress Luck on 27/08/2008 11:13:05 Originally by: Sanzorz Infinity looks daft. Not to mention some of the game mechanics is gonna make me cry. Frigates can lose a wing and start spinning around...in space? That's just wrong. Durability on boosters and guns. This means that you gotta repair constantly when used, rof will be less favoured and alpha has more importance. This prolly leads to the Alpha of Doom like in EVE before the hp buff. I didn't take my sweet time to notice regarding skills. Does it only improve when you are online like a grindfest or does it have a skilling system like EVE? If the first, then no can do. I hate a grind fest just to raise in the grades. EVE is more managable this way. The weapons damage over time. In EVE your gear gets damaged after a while as well. Same thing in Infinity. Regarding skills. Infinity has no skill advancement because there are no skills. There are no feats, levels or classes. Everything is player skill. From the twitch based flying, to skill at finding asteroids and mining them, to skill in putting together a ship (yes, you will be able to build a ship made of glass in Infinity). Even docking and jumping to another star will require player skill. This thread for some differences between Infinity and EVE: http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=75&topic=1175.0
Cygnus Zhada Amarr Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.08.27 11:13:00 - [46] Do what I am doing, wait it out till Warhammer goes live. Closed my 3 accounts already and am finishing up some ties. ------------ We didn't want that boot.ini anyway
Mistress Luck	Posted - 2008.08.27 11:19:00 - [47] Originally by: Benco97 Also, surely it just means every fight will be a "Dogfight", two ships twirling around trying to get behind the other? If engage -> twirl -> shoot is more exciting than Engage -> keep your ranges, speeds, transversal correct -> shoot, all it means is you have to move the mouse more. Its strange. I tried out the combat pre-alpha prototype. Momentum is conserved during flying. So you can slam your thrusters in one direction, then spin your ship around on a dime and fire at your enemy while moving away from him. It makes it tricky to negotiate asteroids and it feels very strange, but when you get used to it its not bad at all. Either way, ship combat is not the primary focus of Infinity. I think the developers are aiming for exploration to be one of the biggest features of the game, which is nice because the procedural universe allows exactly that. You can for example, look at the sky, point to a particular star in a distant nebula and say "that will be my new home". You can then travel there and make that your home if you want.
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.08.27 11:28:00 - [48] WAIT WAIT WAIT JUST A FRAKIN MINUTE. Seriously is it just me or did the OP pull the wool over the sheeps' eyes on this thread? He says he makes stuff and does an occassional L4 mission? He says that he uses cruisers in FW and mentions that the cost of them stack up? Did he SERIOUSLY mention the nano-nerf?! Did people not go "hey wtf is this guy talking about??" when reading the OP's message? 3 things I gotta point out that made me go "wtf?" 1.He says the costs of cruisers stacks up. He says he makes some stuff and does an L4 but didn't say he grinded L4s all week or was making t2 gear. It seems obvious that hes not because if he did then cruisers would be a joke to replace. 2.He mentions the nano-nerf in the SAME post he mentions how the costs of cruisers start to stack up. Is it just me or would the costs of cruisers be nothing compared to putting together nanoships? Does anyone believe hes got isk for nanoships but complains that cruisers are costly to lose??? Difference in the amount of isk needed, anyone??? 3.He complains about the costs of cruisers stacking up but also mentions he does L4s. Yeah he didn't say where but if your building stuff,having a hard time covering the costs of cruisers and doing L4s, your not going to be in lowsec. WHY? The costs of replacing cruisers would be nothing compared to replacing BSes. Add in the fact that he said he is in FW meaning hes got a good amount of people that would have no problem probing him out in lowsec and popping him. The difference in rewards isn't enough for such a person to warrant doing low sec L4s. So if its highly unlikely hes doing them outside of empire, why the **** would he want to see L4s changed?? "how Level 4s still haven't been addressed concerning risk/reward..." Why would you want to get your source of income nerfed when your crying about cruisers? Crying about capital ships not being allowed in empire space? If your group cant beat the hell out of a "carebear corp" with BSes then something is wrong. Would you really want to admit you need to roll capitals in order to win a war against fuzzy wuzzy carebears??? Dude, your stuff, i demandz it contracted to me now! Thanks as for those that responded to this fail thread talking about wow and crap need their heads checked...or just go back to wow where it makes sense for ya.
Jet Max Gallente Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.08.27 11:36:00 - [49] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Lyvv Edited by: Lyvv on 27/08/2008 08:50:23 Darkfall is coming =) and it looks promising http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlV3iTzAf9U "Darkfall places NO RESTRICTIONS on player interaction. So there are no developer imposed safe zones, no realms, factions, PVP Zones or any other roadblocks that limit your game." Sounds good to me, good enough anyways to give it a try. lol lol lol lol lol lol you must of just found out about it it's never coming out sorry to rain on your happy mmorpg world. Hmmm.... that game looks alright tbh, thats defo on the "i must play it" list. Release is scheduled for the end for this year, so MotherMoon PROOF OR STFU...
Mistress Luck	Posted - 2008.08.27 11:36:00 - [50] Originally by: ShardowRhino WAIT WAIT WAIT JUST A FRAKIN MINUTE. Seriously is it just me or did the OP pull the wool over the sheeps' eyes on this thread? Trolling much?
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.27 11:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Infinity poses a massive threat as the devs seem to have looked at what EVE players want, and put it into Infinity. For example, Planetary Flight and being able to paint your ship. Some players will jump on the twitch combat, newtonian physics and compliance to astrophysics. Sense of scale appears to be very good. Oh, and judging by the concept art and renders... the ships aren't 80% Ugly design abominations either. I'm not sure if this applies to you or not, but the developers of Infinity have made it clear the game will be anti-griefing and piracy itself will be a difficult profession. So those players looking to **** and crap on "the sandbox" are better off here, where they can somewhat still get away with it. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.27 11:43:00 - [52] Originally by: ShardowRhino WAIT WAIT WAIT JUST A FRAKIN MINUTE. Seriously is it just me or did the OP pull the wool over the sheeps' eyes on this thread? ... LOTS OF STUFF. lol wut. I don't fly Nano, don't participate in FW. I build and use Thorax's to Solo-PVP when the mood strikes and i build ships FOR the people that fly in FW, i say this because I ship a godly amount of Rifters from Nourvukaiken on a regular basis. I can only assume they're going to faction warfare with Tama next door. I mentioned Level 4 balance and the Nano Nerf as points that CCP are having major issues with coherance, even though I run Level 4s... doesn't mean i think they're faultless. Once again, not part of Faction Warfare. Kinda obvious since this is my main, I did have an alt i was going to train for FW, but I couldnt be bothered once i realised you can't train two chars at the same time on one account. Reprocessing that Alt was disturbing. Your over-analysis is astounding, but Sherlock Holmes you aint.
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:14:00 - [53] Okay so your taking offense to the nano nerf even though you dont fly nanoships. For the most part you either flew it or you didnt, those that didn't for the most part hated them. I haven't heard many people say that they have a problem with the nanonerf if they don't fly them. I'm sure most of t hose that didn't really complain much didn't in order to avoid ****ing off corp mates and alliance members that were pronano. Then again nanoships were broken. A lot of people will never admit that. But im sure 99.99% of them will chime in on how L4s are "broken" yet never come out with a decent argument against them. So the question is how does someone have a problem with ccp fixing something that was CLEARLY broken like nanos but at the same time have a problem with L4s? Especially when theres no decent arguments supporting the idea that L4s are even broken. clearly you are no Mr.Spock
ShardowRhino Caldari Legion 0f The Damned	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:33:00 - [54] Originally by: Cheenie Hell at this point I'm looking at playing Sony Online Entertainment MMO's again. you clearly haven't played sony mmos for a LONNNNNGGG time.
Rubra J. S. Bach In memoriam	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:35:00 - [55] Someone invited me to play Perfect World and now I'm seriously considering joining him.
Cheenie	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:39:00 - [56] Originally by: ShardowRhino Originally by: Cheenie Hell at this point I'm looking at playing Sony Online Entertainment MMO's again. you clearly haven't played sony mmos for a LONNNNNGGG time. I've played all of them and recently. Yes, that's how dire CCP are becoming.
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:41:00 - [57] Originally by: Cheenie Originally by: ShardowRhino Originally by: Cheenie Hell at this point I'm looking at playing Sony Online Entertainment MMO's again. you clearly haven't played sony mmos for a LONNNNNGGG time. I've played all of them and recently. Yes, that's how dire CCP are becoming. Eve player playing Vanguard: "Lag? You call this lag???"
Cheenie	Posted - 2008.08.27 12:49:00 - [58] EVE - the only place where 30 minutes of module lag is "working as intended" during the "epic space battle experience".
Mrsticks Minmatar RNCGM Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.27 13:25:00 - [59] Originally by: Somealt Ofmine Originally by: Cheenie Originally by: ShardowRhino Originally by: Cheenie Hell at this point I'm looking at playing Sony Online Entertainment MMO's again. you clearly haven't played sony mmos for a LONNNNNGGG time. I've played all of them and recently. Yes, that's how dire CCP are becoming. Eve player playing Vanguard: "Lag? You call this lag???" Lol Was gana say that to.. But In all Honesty Soe has done leaps and bounds Inprovements on Vanguard... But they are **ing in the Old players faces to.. there seems to be a trend gooing on here.. any other mmo's dooing this? Long Live TEXAS!** Texans join the Texas channel in game plz.
Taex	Posted - 2008.08.27 14:35:00 - [60] Originally by: Vikarion Yeah. I'm seriously starting to think that I may need to find a new game. I have a lot invested in Eve, but with the way they keep hurting players for no good reason...well, it's starting to look like I'm gonna lose that investment one way or the other in any case. I'm so itching for Diablo III right now... Fnck eve.
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:29:00 - [61] Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 27/08/2008 15:31:43 Originally by: Mrsticks Lol Was gana say that to.. But In all Honesty Soe has done leaps and bounds Inprovements on Vanguard... But they are ****ing in the Old players faces to.. there seems to be a trend gooing on here.. any other mmo's dooing this? My girl and I were beta players. We were hoping for the next EQ (pre-pop style). Have a maxed out Cleric and Ranger there. It was fun for a little while, but pointless, exploit ridden PvP that doesn't matter at all in game gets old pretty fast. When they instanced APW it was the final straw for us. We didn't even try out the "come back for free" offer they had recently.
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.27 15:33:00 - [62] Edited by: Stab Wounds on 27/08/2008 15:34:28 Originally by: Reven Cordelle Originally by: Shadow Sapphire http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/ This games comes out in 2009 . CCP will have some serious competition and realise that mistakes must not be made . Infinity poses a massive threat as the devs seem to have looked at what EVE players want, and put it into Infinity. For example, Planetary Flight and being able to paint your ship. Some players will jump on the twitch combat, newtonian physics and compliance to astrophysics. Sense of scale appears to be very good. Oh, and judging by the concept art and renders... the ships aren't 80% Ugly design abominations either. tbh that game look like a failure in the making. twitch based combat in a space game lolol fvcking terrible that game certainly does not pose a threat to EVE in the least bit and CCP will continue to stomp all over other lame clones
Sanzorz Amarr EVEfan.dk	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:29:00 - [63] Originally by: Mistress Luck The weapons damage over time. In EVE your gear gets damaged after a while as well. Same thing in Infinity. Regarding skills. Infinity has no skill advancement because there are no skills. There are no feats, levels or classes. Everything is player skill. From the twitch based flying, to skill at finding asteroids and mining them, to skill in putting together a ship (yes, you will be able to build a ship made of glass in Infinity). Even docking and jumping to another star will require player skill. This thread for some differences between Infinity and EVE: http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=75&topic=1175.0 Negative. Modules in EVE does not take damage unless you overheat them or get your ship blown up. Are you seriously saying it's a space game involving pvp and drunken brawler flying with no skills, feats or ANYTHING at all to improve your character or spaceship? I do hope that's free to play, because it just sounds like Counterstrike in space...
Jet Max Gallente Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:33:00 - [64] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Lyvv Edited by: Lyvv on 27/08/2008 08:50:23 Darkfall is coming =) and it looks promising http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlV3iTzAf9U "Darkfall places NO RESTRICTIONS on player interaction. So there are no developer imposed safe zones, no realms, factions, PVP Zones or any other roadblocks that limit your game." Sounds good to me, good enough anyways to give it a try. lol lol lol lol lol lol you must of just found out about it it's never coming out sorry to rain on your happy mmorpg world. Lol lol lol lol omfglolerskatesbbq111eleven!1 in ya face http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.capital.gr%2Fnews.asp%3FDetails%3D563580&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8&sl=el&tl=en Omgwtfmothermoonyouleft****flap beta is out http://forums.darkfallonline.com/announcement.php?f=9&a=26 you gona need whaaambulance! lololol sorry to rain on your happy eve world video is up!111 http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=64217 I dunno what realy to say.... did you just got owned or you forgot to add more "lol lol lol lol"? 'ave it..

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