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Rimsa Orion
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:40:00 -
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There is so much controversy out there regarding T2 BPOĘs so I wanted to get some sort of feedback as to how many BPOĘs CCP actually released. Were there a certain number of each randomly issued out, if so how many of each type?
God knows how many have been destroyed, lost due to players leaving EvE or just simply trashed by mistake. A comparison to then and now would be interesting to see.
Has CCP considered running a quarry on the d-base to see how many are still in existence and post the findings for public knowledge? Maybe this will result in a new lottery that will allow a second go round for the current EvE community.
Just some thoughtsą DonĘt FLAME me.
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Rimsa Orion
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:40:00 -
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There is so much controversy out there regarding T2 BPOĘs so I wanted to get some sort of feedback as to how many BPOĘs CCP actually released. Were there a certain number of each randomly issued out, if so how many of each type?
God knows how many have been destroyed, lost due to players leaving EvE or just simply trashed by mistake. A comparison to then and now would be interesting to see.
Has CCP considered running a quarry on the d-base to see how many are still in existence and post the findings for public knowledge? Maybe this will result in a new lottery that will allow a second go round for the current EvE community.
Just some thoughtsą DonĘt FLAME me.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar Meltd0wn Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:43:00 -
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I think I read something about 8 per ship, 16 per module and 64 per ammo once in the s&i forum. Probably wrong though. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim |
El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar Meltd0wn Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:43:00 -
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I think I read something about 8 per ship, 16 per module and 64 per ammo once in the s&i forum. Probably wrong though. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim |
Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 27/08/2008 23:49:53 The controversy is over the fact that some people have something that nobody else can get except by trading with those who have one.
That something actually has a use and is therefore valuable.
The some of the have-not's want to nerf those that have.
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Matalino on 27/08/2008 23:49:53 The controversy is over the fact that some people have something that nobody else can get except by trading with those who have one.
That something actually has a use and is therefore valuable.
The some of the have-not's want to nerf those that have.
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Rimsa Orion
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Rimsa Orion on 27/08/2008 23:56:21
Originally by: Matalino Edited by: Matalino on 27/08/2008 23:49:53 The controversy is over the fact that some people have something that nobody else can get except by trading with those who have one.
That something actually has a use and is therefore valuable.
The some of the have-not's want to nerf those that have.
There is a word for that.... ENVY! I would be interested in seeing the statistics that CCP can produce on these BPO's though. I think many people would be surprised in how many are out there and if it is possible to see the usage of them would be good data as well.
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Rimsa Orion
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Rimsa Orion on 27/08/2008 23:56:21
Originally by: Matalino Edited by: Matalino on 27/08/2008 23:49:53 The controversy is over the fact that some people have something that nobody else can get except by trading with those who have one.
That something actually has a use and is therefore valuable.
The some of the have-not's want to nerf those that have.
There is a word for that.... ENVY! I would be interested in seeing the statistics that CCP can produce on these BPO's though. I think many people would be surprised in how many are out there and if it is possible to see the usage of them would be good data as well.
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Nexus Kinnon
A Few Good Men.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 00:21:00 -
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I thought it was 32 for ammos.
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Rimsa Orion
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rimsa Orion on 28/08/2008 00:29:34 CCP,
Can you elaborate on this? How many T2 BPO's were distributed? Can you provide a breakdown of how many of each type as well.
This should be data that is easily accessible so hopefully the right person will read this post and provide some insight to T2 BPO's.
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 28/08/2008 01:01:01 i wonder what would happen if all those t2bpo's wer to cough**be destroyed***cough,**cough** dissapear?
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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mineforman
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:27:00 -
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CCP will never release data about that because I bet the lion share of Bpo2 are in BOB's hands!
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.08.28 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: El'essar Viocragh I think I read something about 8 per ship, 16 per module and 64 per ammo once in the s&i forum. Probably wrong though.
It was originally at least 8 per ship, but they were at least doubled before the lottery ended.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 03:59:00 -
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I don't think they want anyone to know how many are around and still in use, as T2 BPO Cartels then know how many they still have to buy/steal/destroy to be able to re-establish some price fixing.
Sure, it won't be as bad as before invention, but it'll still mean price rises.
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Tiirae
The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:07:00 -
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Some people don't seem to have got the memo yet... T2 BPO owners cannot produce at enough volume to have *ANY* effect on the price of T2 components. Understand? The number of T2 BPC's producing stuff every day absolutely DWARFS the amount of goods a T2 BPO can produce.
Even if one person owned every T2 BPO in the game, it wouldn't make a single ISK of difference to the price of anything.
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Blasko Fiasco
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nadarius Chrome I don't think they want anyone to know how many are around and still in use, as T2 BPO Cartels then know how many they still have to buy/steal/destroy to be able to re-establish some price fixing.
Sure, it won't be as bad as before invention, but it'll still mean price rises.
Price fixing? T2 bpo's do not have the market impact any longer. Some items are produced at or under cost. Yes there is still profit but the multitudes can take a shot through invention.
Removing those bpos will not move prices.
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:29:00 -
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Edited by: Nadarius Chrome on 28/08/2008 04:29:30 But manufacturing from the BPO is still cheaper than negative ME BPCs, right?
edit: Why else would someone still be willing to spend 40bn on an EANM2 BPO?
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Grim Mercy
Heretic Logistics Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae Some people don't seem to have got the memo yet... T2 BPO owners cannot produce at enough volume to have *ANY* effect on the price of T2 components. Understand? The number of T2 BPC's producing stuff every day absolutely DWARFS the amount of goods a T2 BPO can produce.
Even if one person owned every T2 BPO in the game, it wouldn't make a single ISK of difference to the price of anything.
No, they can't fix the price... but they'd make an absolute killing if they had every single T2 BPO in the game... hell, if they had every single T2 BPO for just one thing.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: mineforman CCP will never release data about that because I bet the lion share of Bpo2 are in BOB's hands!
Some say the approximate percent is 62-67% of BPOs. BoB did it smart though, can't really complain about them using thought out tactics to build an empire.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.08.28 05:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tiirae Some people don't seem to have got the memo yet... T2 BPO owners cannot produce at enough volume to have *ANY* effect on the price of T2 components. Understand? The number of T2 BPC's producing stuff every day absolutely DWARFS the amount of goods a T2 BPO can produce.
If you know how much volume they can produce then clearly you must know how many BPOs are out there. (That was the question which prompted this thread, remember?) So share. How many BPOs are there?
Originally by: Tiirae Even if one person owned every T2 BPO in the game, it wouldn't make a single ISK of difference to the price of anything.
Unless, of course, they're in my market selling for below my (but not their) cost. After all, they aren't paying for datacores, decryptors, base items etc., they aren't watching a very real percentage of their attempts generate nothing at all, and they can research to perfect ME on their BP, while I'm stuck with what I can get. So no matter how thin a margin I cut, they can always undercut me.
Even if it doesn't ruin the system (and it doesn't) it still seems quite significant to me.
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Aramova
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.28 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: mineforman CCP will never release data about that because I bet the lion share of Bpo2 are in BOB's hands!
Lies!! ________________________________
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Darkwolf
Caldari The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.28 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier Unless, of course, they're in my market selling for below my (but not their) cost.
Then you buy their goods, mark them up to your price, and keep on your merry way.
They cannot produce in high enough volumes to outcompete the mass of inventors.
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Rimsa Orion
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 05:41:00 -
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I think people are missing the point to this thread.
It is a thread to find out how many T2 BPO's were release and to see if CCP would do an audit on the current usage and inventory of them.
It doesn't matter if BoB or your mom got them all.
Keep the finger pointing out of my thread and start your own.
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Joe
Umbra Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.28 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: mineforman CCP will never release data about that because I bet the lion share of Bpo2 are in BOB's hands!
Some say the approximate percent is 62-67% of BPOs. BoB did it smart though, can't really complain about them using thought out tactics to build an empire.
There are 20,000 Tech II bpos in the game.
If people considered the rediculous Anti-BoB propaganda they would need 1,000 Pilots running 12,400-13,400 Factorys for their 62-67% 'Monopoly'. Sounds very pluasable
Even as a member of NAGA I never saw close to 1% of T2 BPOS.
I think the Lottery Disributted the T2 BPO's well amongst the Thousands of corps and Industrialists playing.
Its a pity we have to wait once a year to ask the devs (at Fanfest Q&A) about the future of T2 BPO's curently Ingame, but i look foraward to hearing their respose again this year.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.28 05:47:00 -
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How many were generated isn't the real question.
The question you should ask is how many of each remains in game as some probably have left game through destruction or players leaving.
They really should have removed all the t2 BPOs. Until they do it is not viable to run an invention business.
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Rimsa Orion
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga How many were generated isn't the real question.
The question you should ask is how many of each remains in game as some probably have left game through destruction or players leaving.
They really should have removed all the t2 BPOs. Until they do it is not viable to run an invention business.
You should read from the top and you would see this was the original questions along with others.
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Sam Ryder
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Posted - 2008.08.28 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga How many were generated isn't the real question.
The question you should ask is how many of each remains in game as some probably have left game through destruction or players leaving.
They really should have removed all the t2 BPOs. Until they do it is not viable to run an invention business.
No then do something else you dumb shit! or quit in emorage.
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Schalac
Caldari Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.28 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Joe
Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: mineforman CCP will never release data about that because I bet the lion share of Bpo2 are in BOB's hands!
Some say the approximate percent is 62-67% of BPOs. BoB did it smart though, can't really complain about them using thought out tactics to build an empire.
There are 20,000 Tech II bpos in the game.
If people considered the rediculous Anti-BoB propaganda they would need 1,000 Pilots running 12,400-13,400 Factorys for their 62-67% 'Monopoly'. Sounds very pluasable
Even as a member of NAGA I never saw close to 1% of T2 BPOS.
I think the Lottery Disributted the T2 BPO's well amongst the Thousands of corps and Industrialists playing.
Its a pity we have to wait once a year to ask the devs (at Fanfest Q&A) about the future of T2 BPO's curently Ingame, but i look foraward to hearing their respose again this year.
Wasn't it policy of BoB way back when though that if you were a member you had to have a research alt running so that you had a better chance of getting a BPO? My history might be a little fuzzy on this but I think that it did actually happen.
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Rimsa Orion
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.28 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: Rimsa Orion on 28/08/2008 06:00:35
Wasn't it policy of BoB way back when though that if you were a member you had to have a research alt running so that you had a better chance of getting a BPO? My history might be a little fuzzy on this but I think that it did actually happen.
And this is relevent why? All aside.. smart move on BoB's part but this is not about Bob.
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 06:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nadarius Chrome Edited by: Nadarius Chrome on 28/08/2008 04:29:30 But manufacturing from the BPO is still cheaper than negative ME BPCs, right?
edit: Why else would someone still be willing to spend 40bn on an EANM2 BPO?
Dunno, why would someone spend 80 billion on a state raven?
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