I hope CCP understands that more computer-users are drifting towards mobile devices like laptops, netbooks and tablets. The high-end, graphics-friendly desktop is going the way of the dodo.

Then again, aspies don't use mobile devices since they never leave the basement. Perhaps CCP understands its users better than I do.

I hope CCP understands that more computer-users are drifting towards mobile devices like laptops, netbooks and tablets. The high-end, graphics-friendly desktop is going the way of the dodo.

Then again, aspies don't use mobile devices since they never leave the basement. Perhaps CCP understands its users better than I do.

I have a high end gaming rig. I also have a Galaxy Nexus.

I really hope that they can make the game awesome to look at on my PC but also give me a simple app that lets me connect into the eve universe from my phone.

The future isn't PC V Mobile. Its Mobile and PC combined making an awesome experience.

Then again, aspies don't use mobile devices since they never leave the basement. Perhaps CCP understands its users better than I do.

Could you please stop posting that kind of nonsense?

The graphics shown were absolutely gorgeous but how will those scale for all those poor SOB's who don't have a DX 11 card ?

I hope CCP understands that more computer-users are drifting towards mobile devices like laptops, netbooks and tablets. The high-end, graphics-friendly desktop is going the way of the dodo.

The graphics shown were absolutely gorgeous but how will those scale for all those poor SOB's who don't have a DX 11 card ?

-1 if it means my PC won't be able to run Eve anymore. What will all the new system requirements be to do all of this? If Eve will still be backwards compatable with DirectX 9.C for another year then I'm +1

they could have a high end client download for those people, or a higher end setting, but if it means people with low end pc's can't run the game as smoothe -1.

I hope CCP understands that more computer-users are drifting towards mobile devices like laptops, netbooks and tablets. The high-end, graphics-friendly desktop is going the way of the dodo.

Then again, aspies don't use mobile devices since they never leave the basement. Perhaps CCP understands its users better than I do.

Unfortunately the answer is "not at all". Tessellation is a DX11 only thing, and that's that -- the hardware just isn't there on a DX10 chip. Within that class of hardware though, tessellation can be cranked up or scaled back as the realtime demo showed.

So the decision is binary? Either CCP goes forward with tessellation, and people have to upgrade/quit, or they stick with the current system?

DirectX11 requires Windows Vista or better -- no Windows XP.. The DirectX9 client is not going anywhere anytime soon!

Please check out the Carbon REST ("CREST") info coming out of Fanfest, and the new eveonline.com starmap and ship viewer, built on top of WebGL. We understand :)



Unfortunately the answer is "not at all". Tessellation is a DX11 only thing, and that's that -- the hardware just isn't there on a DX10 chip. Within that class of hardware though, tessellation can be cranked up or scaled back as the realtime demo showed.




DirectX11 requires Windows Vista or better -- no Windows XP.. The DirectX9 client is not going anywhere anytime soon!

So the decision is binary? Either CCP goes forward with tessellation, and people have to upgrade/quit, or they stick with the current system?

Just wondering if there is a "Classic" and "Premium" path that can be followed (short term) such as back in 2008.

It's a tickbox. It's an optional eye candy feature, just like AA is. Did you notice how they turned the tesselation on and off? did you? apparently not. Congrats on being an imbecile.

Gimme a link to the video please!

Now for some of my observations:

The tessellation in the demo is not very optimal, there is no LOD technique (aka distance) implemented and some surfaces are tessellated even though they wouldn't have to be. Obviously this would be fixed when it makes it to Eve.

Unfortunately all that added geometry detail doesn't shine as much if you do not increase the texture resolution.

Here are some facts about DX11:

a) DX11 has "feature levels ", which means you can have engine written using DX11, but it can run on DX10 and DX9 hardware, you just have to switch off certain features not supported by the hardware

b) DX11 has some very nice multi-threading features, which allows for multi-threaded submission of commands to the gpu as well as free threaded resource creation. These features are instrumental in achieving higher frame rates on multi core machines as well as loading assets like textures in without frame rate stuttering

c)It allows for some really awesome graphics :)


Most of what you saw in the demo can run on ATI as well, except for the PhysX stuff, that is Nvidia tech.

DX 11 is the next step for Eve engine, whether we like it or not.


Now for some of my observations:

The tessellation in the demo is not very optimal, there is no LOD technique (aka distance) implemented and some surfaces are tessellated even though they wouldn't have to be. Obviously this would be fixed when it makes it to Eve.

Unfortunately all that added geometry detail doesn't shine as much if you do not increase the texture resolution.

physx can be done by cpu or gpu, you can even set theat in the controlpanel, or plug in an old card todo the physx

tesselerationis something completly different thean physx

physx is the shattering of theroids that hit the ship and the path they take

THAT SAID

pls do it ASAP

this is so much gainon performance and look that it shouldnd be a question anyway

Good points.

I'd always thought that PhysX is done in CPU if no Nvidia card is pressent. I hope CCP optimizes the tesselation as you say.

Anyway, If only they could improve texture resolutions. It would be a big improvement even without tesselation. But I say go for it, and for the improved ship explosions, hull damage and shield impacts.

a) DX11 has "feature levels ", which means you can have engine written using DX11, but it can run on DX10 and DX9 hardware, you just have to switch off certain features not supported by the hardware

b) DX11 has some very nice multi-threading features, which allows for multi-threaded submission of commands to the gpu as well as free threaded resource creation. These features are instrumental in achieving higher frame rates on multi core machines as well as loading assets like textures in without frame rate stuttering.

txaa is done by the card if its not implemented codeside, maybe a bit more demanding

Definitely for DX11. Better to get the work in on that sooner rather than later! I only have a DX10 card myself, but am planning to upgrade sometime this year anyways.

I really don't want to see PhysX implemented in a form that drives players into going with Nvidia GPUs for full support. Modern CPUs have more than enough brawn to handle physics simulations, but of course in the case of PhysX Nvidia has very little if any corporate interest in giving CPUs the same love, since requiring their GPUs for the "full" PhysX ends up amounting to hardware lock-in.

got it from the 300.xx driver release notes y---.-- ignore

edit: you are right , was mixing F with T

Well, you know that the PS3 graphics use the NVIDIA RSX Reality Synthesizer tech and the next gen console builds on it. PhysX included. So, donGÇÖt be surprised to see the PC client port of the upcoming EVE console launcher favor NVIDIA based hardware in PCs.

Graphics are already 10x times better than any other mmo If they change anything it should be turret and missle effects visible in large engagements without losing FPS. Better graphics arent going to be better if you have to lower the settings to play it.

We sure as hell dont need stylized graphics **** that ****!!!

My vote, leave em be. If its not broke dont fix it.

I hope CCP understands that more computer-users are drifting towards mobile devices like laptops, netbooks and tablets. The high-end, graphics-friendly desktop is going the way of the dodo.

Then again, aspies don't use mobile devices since they never leave the basement. Perhaps CCP understands its users better than I do.

I hope CCP understands that more computer-users are drifting towards mobile devices like laptops, netbooks and tablets. The high-end, graphics-friendly desktop is going the way of the dodo.

Then again, aspies don't use mobile devices since they never leave the basement. Perhaps CCP understands its users better than I do.

I hope CCP understands that more computer-users are drifting towards mobile devices like laptops, netbooks and tablets. The high-end, graphics-friendly desktop is going the way of the dodo.

Then again, aspies don't use mobile devices since they never leave the basement. Perhaps CCP understands its users better than I do.

So the decision is binary? Either CCP goes forward with tessellation, and people have to upgrade/quit, or they stick with the current system?

Just wondering if there is a "Classic" and "Premium" path that can be followed (short term) such as back in 2008.

Um, no.

The graphics in the presentation were AMAZING, but there are so many things in EVE that need attention that dedicating a team better graphics seems trivial.

Also, seems like CCP is focusing on 'pretty' rather than game mechanics, AGAIN.

CCP just announced the potential for a new graphics upgrade.

The new upgrade would take 5 man years. For comparison the Trinity upgrade took 50 man years.

Thoughts?

RIGHT, so only us asberger children use desktops.... as longas a desktop can turn out 10X the power fo the ebst alptop (as onga s the desktop is at least modestly funded) then ill use a desktop, i prefer ebing able to ahev as many program,s on as i want, LoL on one screen, Eve on another, and sometimes Dawn of War (1 or 2) on the third.

no they are not. more and more "people" are drifting towards tablets because they have never been gamers and think "omg haz u seen this game called angry birds?!?!?!?!?! i haz it, like me on facebook. k thanks. omg i am now a gamer because i say LOL!"

gamers have and always will be pc guys because you get access to the best graphics, much faster than other platforms.

Dear CCP,

Rather than asking us, is there any way you can detect if the video card can support Tesselation, and then just use it?

I hope CCP understands that more computer-users are drifting towards mobile devices like laptops, netbooks and tablets. The high-end, graphics-friendly desktop is going the way of the dodo.

Then again, aspies don't use mobile devices since they never leave the basement. Perhaps CCP understands its users better than I do.

If you're a gamer aged 35+ or rich, then the idea of an expensive, gaming-dedicated desktop brick doesn't seem so strange. For me, my "PC" purchases are based on a balance between performance and portability because I don't use my computer simply for games. Maybe I'm an exception, and the EVE crowd is very niche, hence my last paragraph.

Kaivar Lancer wrote:
If you're a gamer aged 35+ or rich, then the idea of an expensive, gaming-dedicated desktop brick doesn't seem so strange. For me, my "PC" purchases are based on a balance between performance and portability because I don't use my computer simply for games. Maybe I'm an exception, and the EVE crowd is very niche, hence my last paragraph

The graphics shown were absolutely gorgeous but how will those scale for all those poor SOB's who don't have a DX 11 card ?

there's no reason EVE's development has to cater to those players who are still running 10-year-old machines.

keep in mind that this takes at least 1year + , by then a card that runs dx11 on a resonable lvl will be quite cheap

Keep in mind that CCP have already said in this thread that the DX9 client isn't going anywhere any time soon so nobody is going to need to buy any graphics card no matter how cheap or otherwise.

Rather offtopi, but is it possible to put up a techdemo on youtube? Also for AMD Card users (ex Ati), will it work on these cards too as it is a DX11 feature or is it only Nvidia?

Hell yes would LOVE graphical updates especially if that brings with it better collision detection and actual shields!!

+1

09:20 <@Redacted> Lolmer: now if only the game looked like the cinematic trailer
09:20 <@Redacted> I might still be playin
09:20 <@Redacted> because that's particularly epic

Why are we even voting on this.
The answer is obvious.

OP, perhaps a little deeper explanation on what people are voting for (even if unneccessary)?

DirectX11 requires Windows Vista or better -- no Windows XP.. The DirectX9 client is not going anywhere anytime soon!

Good.
Though I`m pretty sure this whole thing is more of a marketing gimmick, have also a +1 from me.
Even if it means I have to get rid of my trusty old WinXP and get a Nvidia for the PhysX.

(Pricing of the GTX680, Nvidia R U out of yer fricken minds?? )

BTW, hope it stays all in one client and we won-¦t get another "OLD - NEW client" situation once you-¦re done with implementing Dx11.

It'll just be asetting. turn on or off.

Like HDR or AA

I'd just like to note that, if this gets done, then it needs to be done alongside ultra-high-resolution textures..

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Also, I really don't care if people don't have DX11 cards, there's no excuse for it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600007818&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Order=PRICE&PageSize=20

If you can't afford ~$50 USD then you shouldn't be playing video games; you have more important things to worry about.

Not sure. If they where going to do it they should of done it when DX11 first came out. Now that DX11 is comming to the end of it's lifespan by the time they release it, it may be a little late. Perhaps CCP should start looking further into the future and prepare for what comes after DX11. But it is time to cast asside DX9 if it becomes a millstone around the necks of the graphic programmers.

Even in EVE right now, anything capital-class looks really blurry viewed from up-close. Hell, even frigates are starting to get a little long in the teeth if you zoom up close to them (kind of important for machinima, ya know?). I'm aware that CCP currently has the uber-high-resolution source textures squared away somewhere - it's just a matter of compressing them and shipping them out. Hell, I'd like to see that get done first, as it can have a major impact on visual fidelity.