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Meepness22
The Lighthouse Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.29 16:38:00 -
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300 Million people living in America and all we get are McCain and Obama?
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Meepness22
The Lighthouse Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.29 16:38:00 -
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300 Million people living in America and all we get are McCain and Obama?
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.29 17:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 29/08/2008 17:07:13
Are you suggesting that a man who only served in a federal office for 140 days before starting to campaign to be the President does not have enough experience?
In all seriousness - I like Palin the best out of all four candidates. She is light on executive experience (but has more executive experience than all the other candidates combined), but kicked some ass in Alaska. And, she's hot for a 44 year old mother of 5.
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Miss TechThree
Caldari
Ramdon Industries corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.29 17:04:00 -
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300 million peple in U.S.A. and they got a 164 Billion Dollar collective tax refund earlier this month. How much is that each ? ! Strange things happen in USA.
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Sheepactivator
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Posted - 2008.08.29 17:23:00 -
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There was/is a candidate on the Dem side.
The one who will not be chosen
You understand my point when you watch the vid.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.29 17:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Miss TechThree
300 million peple in U.S.A. and they got a 164 Billion Dollar collective tax refund earlier this month. How much is that each ? ! Strange things happen in USA.
I got about $1500.00 back.
Oh, and all this really means is that the government took 164 BILLION dollars too much out of the American economy in the first place. Damn tax and spending corrupticrats.
I AM SOO glad that Sarah Palin is McCain's VP pick. One thing you can say for certain, McCain (with the McCain-Fiengold campaign finance reform bill) and Palin (She took on massive corruption in her OWN PARTY and WON!) are REAL reformers.
On the other hand, Obama, the guy with all of 143 days of Senate experience before he started his run for President, picked Joe Biden, a 35 year Senate member with more connections to corrupt lobbyists and pork spending than almost ANYONE in the US government.
Yeah, I'll be voting McCain/Palin come Election Day.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.29 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 29/08/2008 17:47:07
Originally by: Bish Ounen
On the other hand, Obama, the guy with all of 143 days of Senate experience before he started his run for President, picked Joe Biden, a 35 year Senate member with more connections to corrupt lobbyists and pork spending than almost ANYONE in the US government.
Yeah, I'll be voting McCain/Palin come Election Day.
I think Biden selection will be the fall of Obama. Obama keeps talking about change this, and change that, and failed policies of the past.... then does exactly what then Governor Bush did when he chose Cheney - picks a long time Washington hack as a VP. And Biden has said since 1988 in every season when he was trying to run for President, that the President's position does not lend itself to on the job training, and stood by his own words that Obama lacks experience to be President. He also explained how much he admires McCain and would be proud to run WITH him, or against him - then this week says McCain's judgment is bad. So - Obama picks a man that will say anythign to be near the White House - so much for change. Just wait for those campaign comemrcials to start running from McCain.
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.29 17:46:00 -
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IBTL
oh and obama will proberly win.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.29 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Hudson
oh and obama will proberly win.
If Obama wins, he's dead before inauguration, and his VP too. Either way, McCain is the next POTUS 
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Amandin Adouin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.29 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Miss TechThree
300 million peple in U.S.A. and they got a 164 Billion Dollar collective tax refund earlier this month. How much is that each ? ! Strange things happen in USA.
I got about $1500.00 back.
The standard refund was $600.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.29 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Hudson
IBTL
oh and obama will proberly win.
I hope he does something for betterer edmucation.
...and I wouldn't count on it, give McCain a hood and you'll see the Emperor isn't done yet.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.29 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Amandin Adouin
Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Miss TechThree
300 million peple in U.S.A. and they got a 164 Billion Dollar collective tax refund earlier this month. How much is that each ? ! Strange things happen in USA.
I got about $1500.00 back.
The standard refund was $600.
I have two kids, and both me and my wife work to support them. Families like us got more because we pay more in taxes (income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes due to buying diapers and such for kids) than your average single person.
Again, it's just the government giving back our money. Money it shouldn't have taken in the first place. So while I'm glad to have it back, I'm more than a little ****ed it was taken from me in the first place. It's MY money, not the government's money, not "The People's" money, it's Mine and my Wife's. WE earned it, so WE should be the ones deciding how to spend it. Not some politician or government functionary way far away in Washington.
And again, this is why I'm voting for McCain/Palin. Did you now that when the oil companies made record profits, Alaska's government was raking in the dough from state taxes on income and sales on oil workers (and families) living in Alaska?
What did Palin do with the extra money? She made the state government give it BACK to the people it was taken from, and then she pushed through ethics and tax reform to lower the tax burden and clean up the corrupt state politics.
That's MY kind of gal.
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Iosue
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:19:00 -
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ItÆs interesting to see/hear Americans complain about taxes. We benefit from some of the finest infrastructure in the world (I have lived abroad and traveled extensively): good roads, good schools, drinkable tap water, strong military, etc. But no one wants to pay for it. Too many take all these wonderful things for granted, and donÆt consider the cost to keep it all running. I pay a lot in taxes (and donÆt benefit from dependants on my return), but understand that it takes money to keep all these great standards of living.
WhatÆs even more shocking is to see how the very wealthy take extreme advantage of all these loopholes implemented by the current administration. Working in finance, I review peopleÆs tax returns and its amazing how many millionaires IÆve seen with negative income on their yearly tax returns. If you can afford to pay a good accountant to pencil whip a tax return, guess what, you donÆt have to pay taxes!
Bish - ever been to Alaska?? Don't get me wrong, its a beautiful State with great people, but try driving on their road(s). Few are even paved and the ones that are have potholes that can literally blow up your car. I guess itÆs kinda hard to maintain roads when all the StateÆs $$ go back to the people.
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Iosue
Bish - ever been to Alaska?? Don't get me wrong, its a beautiful State with great people, but try driving on their road(s). Few are even paved and the ones that are have potholes that can literally blow up your car. I guess itÆs kinda hard to maintain roads when all the StateÆs $$ go back to the people.
Alaskan roads face the same problem as they do further north in Canada. The constant freezing and unfreezing destroys asphalt at an amazing rate. Even without tax refunds I doubt maintaining as many roads as other states/countries do would be possible.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
I have two kids, and both me and my wife work to support them. Families like us got more because we pay more in taxes (income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes due to buying diapers and such for kids) than your average single person.
Again, it's just the government giving back our money. Money it shouldn't have taken in the first place. So while I'm glad to have it back, I'm more than a little ****ed it was taken from me in the first place. It's MY money, not the government's money, not "The People's" money, it's Mine and my Wife's. WE earned it, so WE should be the ones deciding how to spend it. Not some politician or government functionary way far away in Washington.
And again, this is why I'm voting for McCain/Palin. Did you now that when the oil companies made record profits, Alaska's government was raking in the dough from state taxes on income and sales on oil workers (and families) living in Alaska?
What did Palin do with the extra money? She made the state government give it BACK to the people it was taken from, and then she pushed through ethics and tax reform to lower the tax burden and clean up the corrupt state politics.
That's MY kind of gal.
Welcome to a tax free world:
You decide to drive to work. Theres only one road in working order since no-one is paying to keep them maintained, and that road is privately owned- you pay $5 to the man at the gate so that you can use it.
You decide to leave the traffic-congested road alone and walk to pick your child up from school. The school, incidentally, charges you $6,000 a year, since you pay the full costs of your own child's education. On the way there, you get mugged; you talk to a policeman, but he demands $5 an hour for a talking appointment, and a fee of $100 per day for him to look for the criminal ("Any idea how much it costs to break out the helicopter, kid?").
By a spot of shocking bad luck, you find your house has caught fire while you were out. You dial 911, and are asked politely for your credit card number- 5 firemen at $80 a day each, + a good fistful of dollars for the petrol for that truck, + equipment costs...hope you've got an overdraft, or you'll be living in a smouldering crater.
You shell out for the fire-fighters, and the fires quickly out. Unfortunately, in a twist of even worse luck, your country is then invaded by a neighbour with a standing army, and your house is reduced to a crater by a stray paid-for-by-tax Russian/Iranian/Canadian bomb. Your slim, incorruptible, minimalistic government is forced in to instant surrender due to the fact that no-one was willing to bank roll all those guys in uniforms and expensive equipment, just lazing around all day. You live out the rest of your life in a mud-hut eating moss.
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Sikel
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.29 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Sikel on 29/08/2008 20:23:13
Originally by: Patch86
Welcome to a tax free world:
You decide to drive to work. Theres only one road in working order since no-one is paying to keep them maintained, and that road is privately owned- you pay $5 to the man at the gate so that you can use it.
You decide to leave the traffic-congested road alone and walk to pick your child up from school. The school, incidentally, charges you $6,000 a year, since you pay the full costs of your own child's education. On the way there, you get mugged; you talk to a policeman, but he demands $5 an hour for a talking appointment, and a fee of $100 per day for him to look for the criminal ("Any idea how much it costs to break out the helicopter, kid?").
By a spot of shocking bad luck, you find your house has caught fire while you were out. You dial 911, and are asked politely for your credit card number- 5 firemen at $80 a day each, + a good fistful of dollars for the petrol for that truck, + equipment costs...hope you've got an overdraft, or you'll be living in a smouldering crater.
You shell out for the fire-fighters, and the fires quickly out. Unfortunately, in a twist of even worse luck, your country is then invaded by a neighbour with a standing army, and your house is reduced to a crater by a stray paid-for-by-tax Russian/Iranian/Canadian bomb. Your slim, incorruptible, minimalistic government is forced in to instant surrender due to the fact that no-one was willing to bank roll all those guys in uniforms and expensive equipment, just lazing around all day. You live out the rest of your life in a mud-hut eating moss.
Remember kids, stay in school
Hrm, funnily enough, that's exactly what I pay in taxes and I don't even have a kid or drive a car.
It would be nice to have people competing for my road and school and protection money. Think of how much better life would be?
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.29 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Iosue
Bish - ever been to Alaska?? Don't get me wrong, its a beautiful State with great people, but try driving on their road(s). Few are even paved and the ones that are have potholes that can literally blow up your car. I guess itÆs kinda hard to maintain roads when all the StateÆs $$ go back to the people.
1) No, it's kinda hard to build and maintain roads when permafrost heaving breaks them up every spring. Alaska has very unique road building challenges that don't lend themselves to permanent solutions.
2) It's the TAXPAYERS' money, NOT THE STATE'S! That was the POINT of the give-back. Palin saw that the state had over-reached and taken WAY more than it needed or deserved, so she forced the state to give back what it stole.
Never forget, Tax money is money taken from the people through threat of state force. NOT money "owed" to the state by a grateful peasantry. Yes, the state is able to do some very nice things with the money. But beyond National Defense, the Constitution of the United States allows for NOTHING ELSE that the Federal Government can spend money on.
Yes, we benefit from among the highest living standard in the world. But that is NOT because of Government Largess. It is because of hard work and investment by ordinary people creating the high levels of wealth in this country.
As far as that moronic saw "The rich don't pay taxes". That's a bunch of bullhockey. According to the IRS's own figures, the top 1% earners in the US pay 39.38% of taxes, the top 10% pay 70.30%, the top 25% pay 85.99% and the top 50% pay 96.93% of taxes. In America, the rich pay almost ALL the taxes, the poor pay next to nothing.
Is it any wonder that wealthy people look for loopholes? They are on the hook for almost everything! So please don't try and sell me some bleeding heart BS about rich people not paying taxes. the IRS's own numbers say you are full of crap and a liar.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.29 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Iosue
WhatÆs even more shocking is to see how the very wealthy take extreme advantage of all these loopholes implemented by the current administration. Working in finance, I review peopleÆs tax returns and its amazing how many millionaires IÆve seen with negative income on their yearly tax returns. If you can afford to pay a good accountant to pencil whip a tax return, guess what, you donÆt have to pay taxes!
Loopholes? There have always been loopholes, long before the Bush Administration. The top 1% wealthy Americans, still pay 39% of all personal taxes. When Bush took office that amount was 37%. The top 10% pay 70.3% of taxes, in 2000, it was 67.3%.
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:02:00 -
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sneaky move by the old man, picking a woman to try and sway the hoard of Hillary fans that are bitter over obama winning. But from what i know this lady had only served 2 years in the goveners seat so does that really make her more experienced?
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Thorliaron
sneaky move by the old man, picking a woman to try and sway the hoard of Hillary fans that are bitter over obama winning. But from what i know this lady had only served 2 years in the goveners seat so does that really make her more experienced?
2 years in a state executive position and she wants to be VP
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143 DAYS in a Senate position and he wants to be President?
No comparison there. McCain/Palin all the way.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: Iosue
WhatÆs even more shocking is to see how the very wealthy take extreme advantage of all these loopholes implemented by the current administration. Working in finance, I review peopleÆs tax returns and its amazing how many millionaires IÆve seen with negative income on their yearly tax returns. If you can afford to pay a good accountant to pencil whip a tax return, guess what, you donÆt have to pay taxes!
Loopholes? There have always been loopholes, long before the Bush Administration. The top 1% wealthy Americans, still pay 39% of all personal taxes. When Bush took office that amount was 37%. The top 10% pay 70.3% of taxes, in 2000, it was 67.3%.
Why don't you compare tax rates with the percentage of wealth owned by the top 1% and 10%. Make sure you include sales tax.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Why don't you compare tax rates with the percentage of wealth owned by the top 1% and 10%. Make sure you include sales tax.
Why? Because federal tax rates are based on income, not accumulated assets, or what states set their sales tax rates to.
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Keorythe
Caldari
Terra Rosa Militia
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Thorliaron
2 years in a state executive position and she wants to be VP
She really didn't want to and the pick is still surprising the heck out of her.
She hunts, has a lifetime NRA membership, she's a snowmobile champion, she wears fur while giving the finger to PETA, her NG son will probably be deployed to the ME, and her husband is a blue collar fisherman and is part Eskimo. She wins already.
Oh and she almost took the Miss Alaska title once...hawtness.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: Tarminic
Why don't you compare tax rates with the percentage of wealth owned by the top 1% and 10%. Make sure you include sales tax.
Why? Because federal tax rates are based on income, not accumulated assets, or what states set their sales tax rates to.
Because saying that X group pays X percentage in taxes isn't a complete picture unless you know exactly how much comparative wealth they have. If the top 1% of the population owns 10% of the total wealth and pay 50% of the total taxes, that would be pretty unfair to that percentage. I mentioned sales tax because it's an example of a regressive tax unlike a progressive one like income tax.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Originally by: Thorliaron
sneaky move by the old man, picking a woman to try and sway the hoard of Hillary fans that are bitter over obama winning. But from what i know this lady had only served 2 years in the goveners seat so does that really make her more experienced?
2 years in a state executive position and she wants to be VP
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143 DAYS in a Senate position and he wants to be President?
No comparison there. McCain/Palin all the way.
Its more of a matter how how Palin got there. Her career was basically built upon reforming and goign after corruption in her own party. She went after corrupt Republicans in her Republican state, and then challenged an incumbent Republican governor who approved sweet deals for oil companies that minimized royalties for Alaska. And while governor, she gave the middle finger to their senators and struck down the "Bridge to Nowhere" federal earmark.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:55:00 -
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I voting for Obama simply because the republican party shot itself in the foot with it's last candidate 
Originally by: Lorz0r
garmon is 90% Surfin's PlunderBunny,
10% er...Surfin's PlunderBunny
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.29 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Because saying that X group pays X percentage in taxes isn't a complete picture unless you know exactly how much comparative wealth they have. If the top 1% of the population owns 10% of the total wealth and pay 50% of the total taxes, that would be pretty unfair to that percentage. I mentioned sales tax because it's an example of a regressive tax unlike a progressive one like income tax.
The top 1% are subjected to a maximum marginal rate of 35%. Actually, far more than 1%. The bottom earner typically pay 0%, after standard deductions.
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Amandin Adouin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.30 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 30/08/2008 02:48:22
Thanks for arguing the socialist side guys, I don't have it in me tonight. I will say one thing... even though I'm a Socialist Democrat, I kinda liked McCain ... that is until he chose her as a running mate. Ms. Governor of Alaska was picked soley because she is a woman. She's a pretty far-out social conservative; she actually wants to repeal Roe V. Wade. I love how America does things; a woman finally being picked as vice-presidential running mate and this is one who's picked. Jesus. 
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Meepness22
The Lighthouse Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.30 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Amandin Adouin
Edited by: Amandin Adouin on 30/08/2008 02:48:22
Thanks for arguing the socialist side guys, I don't have it in me tonight. I will say one thing... even though I'm a Socialist Democrat, I kinda liked McCain ... that is until he chose her as a running mate. Ms. Governor of Alaska was picked soley because she is a woman. She's a pretty far-out social conservative; she actually wants to repeal Roe V. Wade. I love how America does things; a woman finally being picked as vice-presidential running mate and this is one who's picked. Jesus.
I accualy thought she was a good pick.
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.30 04:57:00 -
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I would vote for McCain now, because that way when he dies in office we'll have a solid president who actually may bring around change in the government.
Originally by: Amoxin
My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
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