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Elise Randolph
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Again 0.0 is more profitable, but considering that the Devs base this game on "risk vs reward" can you please, please tell me where the risk in high sec is?
And where's the risk of posting with an alt? At least have the guts to whine with your main...
Because you don't seem to know just how boring high-sec grinding is, because you don't mention 0.0 mining, which is overall the best regular income you can get, because you rabble rabble about risk/reward without taking time spend into account, you're pretty clueless...
have you bothered to read my post? Theres no risk in 0.0 mining, right? NPCing in 0.0 isnt a boring grind, right? I'm specifically asking as to why these carebears in high sec have nothing to worry about. The empire missioning system is a set-it-and-forget-it way of life. If you're dying to rats in High Sec, you're doing it WAY wrong.
fake edit: this is my main, you have a problem with that?
You're either arguing that people shouldn't be able to make any isk in high sec, or that suiciding is a successful and fair high-sec "risk". Both of these points are equally as ******ed: suiciding is only a deterrent for flying overly-expensive ships into missions, and I guarantee eve would be a giant pile of shit if PVP was absolutely everywhere. ---------- I need a good sig, someone make one for me. |
Dzajic
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:38:00 -
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This is getting annoying.
Can you please link exact info in patch notes or in a devblog, where they go over specifics of buffing high sec isk rewards? Since rewards in highsec are the same today they were the day LP stores were introduced.
But, tbh, I dont think the entire "serious security" was justified. And that it has in ways gone overboard. Just like with nanonerf, they implemented every single idea ever given about nerfing suicide ganks. It should have been a either/either fix.
Anyway. Everyone is trolling about huge new profits in high sec. Has anyone actually tested to see how CONCORD reacts now, and how much ships you now need to suicide gank?
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Victor Kruger
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:43:00 -
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You wannabe PvP'ers sure whine a lot --------------- Hey, where's my portrait |
Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Kruger You wannabe PvP'ers sure whine a lot
errr people who suicide, do so to replenish their cash supply to actually PVP...true story _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Norrin Ellis
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Posted - 2008.09.03 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Victor Kruger You wannabe PvP'ers sure whine a lot
errr people who suicide, do so to replenish their cash supply to actually PVP...true story
So, your real complaint is that now you'll have to work for ISK like (almost) everyone else?
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Drachtul Tun'Dull
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:08:00 -
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I can't wait for WoD to be released. This USED to be Word of Darkness in space... every pilot sure of only insecurity, and reliant upon only one's self and one's corp (if you were good at picking friends...).
Perhaps that is the reason for all of this, that they want the people who loved the gritty, dark, there-is-no-safety feel of Eve to move on when CCP's next project is ready to go. Because that was, to me, the essence of Eve: No matter what, you were not safe, and those who didn't care for such a game had the option to unsubscribe when they wished to leave. Either you liked the no-holds-barred, grief-or-be-griefed feel or you quit in disgust.
Unfortunately, I don't know how many of the people attracted by the futuristic WoD feel will want to return by the time CCP's next project will be ready. They marginalized those who embrace that kind of gameplay already.
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Firestar Drive Yards
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Victor Kruger You wannabe PvP'ers sure whine a lot
errr people who suicide, do so to replenish their cash supply to actually PVP...true story
So your no-risk isk-reward is allowed, but their's isn't?
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Firestar Drive Yards
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Faife nobody moon mines anymore, it's all mission running for supercaps.
and too many titans in high sec now. it's ridiculous
Where do you get your tech 2 stuff from?
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Kritinana
Minmatar Dark Empire Fleet
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:35:00 -
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So you're trying to say that the risk vs. reward from highsec to null is out of whack (i guess..?)? Yet as stated in most posts in this thread, including your own, potential reward in null is vastly larger.
Yes, missioning in high sec is an easy low risk consistent income. So is mining, so is manufacturing, so is market play, so is exploration, so is ratting even. And, here's the zinger, every one of these things is vastly more profitable in low/null sec for anyone with 1/2 a brain. So yeah.....that looks like a higher risk = higher reward scenario to me. So wtf's your point?
Its really quite clear that you're simply attempting a stealth whine on the subject of highsec ganking. I'm sorry, but there's still plenty of ways to to gank ppl's lewtz. Adapt or die.
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Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.03 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: In General
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog ...i thought i was in general
How very dare you! I am In General!
Whoa...
You know what, I bet you waited years and years on these forums JUST to do that. _______
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Norrin Ellis
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Victor Kruger You wannabe PvP'ers sure whine a lot
errr people who suicide, do so to replenish their cash supply to actually PVP...true story
So, your real complaint is that now you'll have to work for ISK like (almost) everyone else?
You dont realize the work and time it took to suicide, do you? Unless you do, you shouldnt open your mouth. _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Atlas Oracle
Minmatar Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:19:00 -
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we really needed a 6,154th thread about this. well done
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Pilot Abilene
Caldari Serpentine Dream Theory
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:34:00 -
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Yeah those damn mission runners are really something, I heard they run most lvl 4's in titans with an armada of motherships and carriers as support with dreads to take out the large collidable structures they are so rich now...
OP fails to realize that for the most part high sec dwellers are individuals or just small groups of casual players. There is no way their income can ever compare to what organized people in 0.0 can earn. I'd go as far as saying even if you combined the total wealth of what is the greater population of EVE, that being the high sec dwellers and compared it to say, the corporations and alliances of 0.0's total wealth...it would probably still come up short. Would actually be interesting to see the figures.
In short what we have here is another whiny gankbear not happy he can't suicide ppl so easily anymore and will have to get more organized, pick a target, get some intel and a good gang of solid pilots...sounds a bit hard for him me thinks.
Neeeded a new thread of course...
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Norrin Ellis
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
You dont realize the work and time it took to suicide, do you? Unless you do, you shouldnt open your mouth.
I realize exactly how much "work" it takes, which is precisely why I made the comment. Perhaps next time you open your mouth, you'll have a valid rebuttal.
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Arric Rohr
Gallente Intergalactic Science LLC
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:41:00 -
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If there is an allure to high sec, then maybe some people will play there.
If there is an allure to 0.0, then maybe other people will play there.
If you need someone to tell you where to play, maybe you should find a simpler game.
If you need to tell people where they should play, maybe you should run for office.
Can I tell you something? Mind your own business and let people play the game they are paying to play.
AR
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Somealt Ofmine
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Posted - 2008.09.03 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Somealt Ofmine on 03/09/2008 20:58:26
Yep, it's starting already. I had this in my mailbox when I signed in:
Dear Player,
Pandemic Legion has claimed The Citadel as their sovereign territory, owing to the fact that it is far more valuable now than 0.0 space. You have 72 hours to vacate the region before hostilities begin.
Yours Truly,
Pandemic Legion
Son of a biotch!! I hate it when this happens. Does anyone know of a high-sec region that doesn't have L4 agents? I may need to move there. |
Gimpb
Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:21:00 -
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There is good profit to be made in 0.0, certainly more than can be made with Lv 4 missions. Some other high sec opportunities, however, completely blow away 0.0 ratting and Lv4s in isk/effort.
Realistically, I don't think the dividing line between high sec and 0.0 is so much in those that want risk vs those that don't. I think the deciding factor is more along the lines of those that want to go out and do verses those that want to sit back and socialize. Those that want to go out and do will figure out the markets, develop trade/manufacturing empires, and aggressively PvP. Those that want to socialize will hang out, do some missions, mine, or maybe get into some FW.
Personally, I live in 0.0 but make low-effort money with alts in empire, and I think there are many people like me. If all I wanted was isk I'd say screw it and just live in high sec, that's for sure, so in that sense the OP is spot on.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:23:00 -
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I have yet to figure out why anyone cares what the carebears are doing in empire. Seriously, WTF does it have to do with you?
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Joachim Piper
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:30:00 -
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Another pointless whine thread.
Eve is not ment to be played in any sort of fashion other than what the player wants. There is no right or wrong way to play and whilst the OP whines on about high sec missions there are many thousands of players who have never touched level 4 missions and who now reside in low sec or 0.0 having a blast and making billions farming npc and/or plex spawns and thats not counting the looting and salvaging of rare faction mods....
Just play the farking game the way you want to play and stop being such a paranoid control freak...
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:31:00 -
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Edited by: Locke DieDrake on 03/09/2008 21:31:42
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
You dont realize the work and time it took to suicide, do you? Unless you do, you shouldnt open your mouth.
Here is what I don't realize, why can't you do it anymore?
Concord is faster than they used to be... so you'll need a few more ships in on the gank to pull it off. Concord, AFAIK, doesn't just instapop all aggressors when they show up, so it's not like you can't still plan and execute a gank, it just takes more overall firepower being brought in.
Whats the big deal? Adapt.
EDIT: pyramid quote goodbye ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
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FOl2TY8
Gallente Revolutionary United Front Silex Union
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Posted - 2008.09.03 21:43:00 -
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That's strange... the patch didn't effect my game experience at all. I think I am going to make a thread about it.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Esmenet on 03/09/2008 23:08:50
Originally by: Trebor Notlimah Anyone who believes this is full of crap.
Money in 0.0 is VASTLY greater then empire.
<3 Trebor
Not even close. High sec is in general much more profitable.
Low sec and 0.0 is mostly a wow-style battlegrounds. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Farrqua
Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pilot Abilene Yeah those damn mission runners are really something, I heard they run most lvl 4's in titans with an armada of motherships and carriers as support with dreads to take out the large collidable structures they are so rich now...
OP fails to realize that for the most part high sec dwellers are individuals or just small groups of casual players. There is no way their income can ever compare to what organized people in 0.0 can earn. I'd go as far as saying even if you combined the total wealth of what is the greater population of EVE, that being the high sec dwellers and compared it to say, the corporations and alliances of 0.0's total wealth...it would probably still come up short. Would actually be interesting to see the figures.
In short what we have here is another whiny gankbear not happy he can't suicide ppl so easily anymore and will have to get more organized, pick a target, get some intel and a good gang of solid pilots...sounds a bit hard for him me thinks.
Neeeded a new thread of course...
Uhh dude, you do realize that most 0.0 players have alts in Empire to make money right? You want to elaborate on why that is?
I mean if it was that profitable in 0.0 why would you even bother having an alt to JEWBEAR in empire. Seems pretty stupid wouldn't you agree? I mean if you can make that much money way over what you could in empire, well it makes no sense in grinding missions in empire, now does it?
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Farrqua
Uhh dude, you do realize that most 0.0 players have alts in Empire to make money right? You want to elaborate on why that is?
I mean if it was that profitable in 0.0 why would you even bother having an alt to JEWBEAR in empire. Seems pretty stupid wouldn't you agree? I mean if you can make that much money way over what you could in empire, well it makes no sense in grinding missions in empire, now does it?
Do you remember in math class in highschool you asked "where will I ever use this"... Now would have been a good time.
Do the math, that is, there are only so many 0.0 systems. And of those, only X percent are highly profitable, of those X, there are x+y*2 players trying to use that space, which decreases each of their overall incomes.
Thats why you see 0.0 alliance players with alts in empire. Missions are EASY MONEY, not THE BEST MONEY. They are also completely reliable, where as nothing in 0.0 is.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Esmenet on 03/09/2008 23:28:38
Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Thats why you see 0.0 alliance players with alts in empire. Missions are EASY MONEY, not THE BEST MONEY. They are also completely reliable, where as nothing in 0.0 is.
They are in reality THE BEST MONEY, as with the exception of that one time two years ago when you had a -1.0 trusec system with 25 belts completely to yourself you are better off doing missions in high sec.
And then we havent even considered the benefit of having easy access to the good markets in high sec, and the cost of defending your space. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Farrqua
Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Farrqua
Uhh dude, you do realize that most 0.0 players have alts in Empire to make money right? You want to elaborate on why that is?
I mean if it was that profitable in 0.0 why would you even bother having an alt to JEWBEAR in empire. Seems pretty stupid wouldn't you agree? I mean if you can make that much money way over what you could in empire, well it makes no sense in grinding missions in empire, now does it?
Do you remember in math class in highschool you asked "where will I ever use this"... Now would have been a good time.
Do the math, that is, there are only so many 0.0 systems. And of those, only X percent are highly profitable, of those X, there are x+y*2 players trying to use that space, which decreases each of their overall incomes.
Thats why you see 0.0 alliance players with alts in empire. Missions are EASY MONEY, not THE BEST MONEY. They are also completely reliable, where as nothing in 0.0 is.
Yea I know. If you read to whom I was responding to..you would get the gist of my questions? The Person I was responding to made misinformed statements about 0.0/low sec,and I wanted him to answer them.
Math might be your strong point but unfortunately comprehension is not. (Plus Highschool was over 25 years ago.)
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Farrqua
Uhh dude, you do realize that most 0.0 players have alts in Empire to make money right? You want to elaborate on why that is?
I mean if it was that profitable in 0.0 why would you even bother having an alt to JEWBEAR in empire. Seems pretty stupid wouldn't you agree? I mean if you can make that much money way over what you could in empire, well it makes no sense in grinding missions in empire, now does it?
Do you remember in math class in highschool you asked "where will I ever use this"... Now would have been a good time.
Do the math, that is, there are only so many 0.0 systems. And of those, only X percent are highly profitable, of those X, there are x+y*2 players trying to use that space, which decreases each of their overall incomes.
Thats why you see 0.0 alliance players with alts in empire. Missions are EASY MONEY, not THE BEST MONEY. They are also completely reliable, where as nothing in 0.0 is.
look at that, you inadvertently took my side of the argument...good boy... _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Sickle Steel
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Posted - 2008.09.03 23:57:00 -
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I cant help but notice that people tend to forget that MMOG's are a business first, game second.
No money = no game
If they can make more money by changing the game a bit then that's what theyre going to do.
It's pretty clear that suicide ganking was losing them money, maybe people canceling or maybe just staffers reading and dealing with all the complaints. At any rate it was due to money.
A business doesnt just do something for the heck of it. There is almost always a reason and that reason is 99% of the time based on profit.
It's just the way it is.
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Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.09.04 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Thats why you see 0.0 alliance players with alts in empire. Missions are EASY MONEY, not THE BEST MONEY. They are also completely reliable, where as nothing in 0.0 is.
They are in reality THE BEST MONEY, as with the exception of that one time two years ago when you had a -1.0 trusec system with 25 belts completely to yourself you are better off doing missions in high sec.
That is highly subjective.
I've had good days and bad in both 0.0 and in lvl4 missions. I CAN make more money in 0.0, if conditions are right. (which isn't that hard) But I can reliably make money with lvl4s, which, again, 0.0 is not reliable ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
Locke DieDrake
Human Information Virus
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Posted - 2008.09.04 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Locke DieDrake on 04/09/2008 00:15:26
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
look at that, you inadvertently took my side of the argument...good boy...
I wasn't on the other side to begin with, I'm just trying to understand, and offer what insight I have. Also, someday I want to understand why the hell so many people care what is going on in empire.
It just don't make any sense to care what the alts and carebears are doing in empire.
Do I get a cookie or something?
______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational" |
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