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Major Aglaea	Posted - 2008.09.04 01:58:00 - [1] Is it possible to make salvaging someone elses wreaks illigel? it needs to be, its getting rediculous in penirgman with this "suddenly ninjas" corp. They make more off salvaging my wreaks than they do the loot. something needs to be done, at least make it to where we are able to shoot them.
Xindi Kraid Cerulean Sky Fire Industries	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:00:00 - [2] Salvage belongs to the salvager. The devs said so, thy are not gonna change it, end of story. Also if you operate in mission hubs stop complaining about people running garbage collection and go to a system they don't operate in. -So says Xindi Kraid Dear devs: Sign here initial here here and here
Lothros Andastar Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:04:00 - [3] No. End of story. Now GTFO my internets
Fraszoid Caldari Condottieri Industries The Economy	Posted - 2008.09.04 05:00:00 - [4] War dec them? I go a lot of missions and never have problems with ninja salvagers stealing my wrecks. Moving to a different system might solve the problem as they only gather where there are lots of people so its easy to find wrecks. The loss in potential income would be off set by the gains in salvage income from not having it stolen. If the salvager had a limited tractor beam built in, just 5000m range like the salgaver and a would allow you to tow the wreck behind you so you could salvage on missions a bot more effectively, it would hopefully reduce the salvage theives could steal and mission runners could salvage while running the mission, albeit less effectively than a dedicated ship could. -------------------------------------------------- Everyone is born right handed, only the great over come it. Check out my players guide at: http://www.eve-miners.info/guide/minersguide.html
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2008.09.04 06:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Fraszoid War dec them? When's the last time someone started stealing your wrecks, who was NOT in an npc corp? Griefer tactic ftw.
Achran Dexx Caldari CompleXion Industries CompleXion Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.04 07:03:00 - [6] Originally by: Major Aglaea Is it possible to make salvaging someone elses wreaks illigel? it needs to be, its getting rediculous in penirgman with this "suddenly ninjas" corp. They make more off salvaging my wreaks than they do the loot. something needs to be done, at least make it to where we are able to shoot them. You know, you can wardec them... Salvage is by design nobody's property, Eve's a sandbox, make what you want of it.
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Achran Dexx You know, you can wardec them... Salvage is by design nobody's property, Eve's a sandbox, make what you want of it. Again, for the stupid. Most people that "steal" other peoples wrecks (what else to you call it when somone takes somthing without permission?), they will be in an npc corp. No war dec possible. I understand ccp's stance on the subject. They want to create conflict. They want salavaging to be a profession. BUT people are using an exploit (npc corp immunity) to get around game mechanics and grief other players while making free cash.
Torothanax	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:18:00 - [8] Nerf alts.
Ydyp Ieva Caldari Amarrian Retribution	Posted - 2008.09.04 08:25:00 - [9] Well if the wreck is for everyone, why isn't the loot in it then for everyone to pick? Yes CCP changed that and added the stealing aggro in for canminers. But same goes for loot on missions. You killed the pirate, so you claim the wreck. If someone else takes it they should get the same result as when they take the loot out of the wreck. Meaning the guy that blown up the pirate gets the right to shoot them.
Boomerang Shasta	Posted - 2008.09.04 11:47:00 - [10] Last time I looked, there was no "suddenly ninjas" noob corp. Read the OP people. Wardec them. Get other local corps to wardec them. -Boom-
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Frigateers	Posted - 2008.09.04 19:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Boomerang Shasta Last time I looked, there was no "suddenly ninjas" noob corp. Read the OP people. Wardec them. Get other local corps to wardec them. -Boom- Yeah. They'd hate that!
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.05 01:34:00 - [12] Read up on current, real-world salvage laws. CCP's not far off with their way of implementing it. If you want the salvage, then loot/salvage as you go. If you move on, it's not yours anymore. Seems logical to me.
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Imperial Servants	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:16:00 - [13] Just get it through your head, that you don't have an salvage rights. First come, first serve.. so get there first.
Shadow Richard	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:36:00 - [14] Well I never got the concept of this, whats the difference between salvage and loot, you take a 75mm Railgun or a Burned logic board its still taking other players wrecks, i think either make it both Thief Aggro or None.
Shadow Richard	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:39:00 - [15] but if a player find a bunch of wrecks in middle of deadspace and waits and no one comes, why not. If you are not gonna come back for why not have someone else get it before it disappears. Are you talking about players popping up in middle of your mission? And starting to salvage while?
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:39:00 - [16] Salvaging is a variable option, not an ability.
Shadow Richard	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:41:00 - [17] or make a restriction, during missions no one else unless in fleet can salvage or take loot, that can solve the problem.
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:42:00 - [18] Nope, pop the wrecks yourself or get it salvaged with a buddy in a fast ship or relinquish the right to your salvage.
Shadow Richard	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:45:00 - [19] well i notice ppl use 2 ships for missions, a combat and one for salvage, bad idea i think, when im in mission i go group to group, combat loot and salvage move on to next group....
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:47:00 - [20] It is still a multiplayer game, mechanics shouldn't be changed because people 'steal' that which could easily be taken if you don't have friends with you.
Shadow Richard	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:48:00 - [21] true, all im saying is, there is a way to avoid it. i mostly do lvl 3 in high secs so i havent come across this problem, maybe this is in low sec.
Shadow Richard	Posted - 2008.09.05 08:50:00 - [22] Edited by: Shadow Richard on 05/09/2008 08:53:00 this is why the probing thing is kinda wack, it scans ships drones structures but not wrecks. Probe restriction i think is eh. Cuz they are gonna find it anyways...right? Flooding Board: Adding: I gave up probing really, i found a crap load of lost drones, i rolled up into someones mission once, and i thought to myself, this is dumb reason being, i can scan for a ship and drop into someone mission, but i cant scan for wrecks.....waste of time, so I just do my own missions salvage and loot my own...for now.
Fullmetal Jackass	Posted - 2008.09.05 10:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Just get it through your head, that you don't have an salvage rights. First come, first serve.. so get there first. That would be fine if it were true. How about when someone starts salvaging your wrecks right of you, while yer still tanking and killin. Had it happen a couple times. I just start poppin wrecks, but that means I lose out on half the mission income.
Yamato Gasaraki	Posted - 2008.09.05 10:30:00 - [24] Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass I still think salvage should stay yours as long as you stay on the grid it's on, OR should be your property for 30 minutes and then become FFA after the time expires. Hooray for withering Lootrights. We definitely need the possibility to become Garbagecollectors to benefit from those Pigs littering the Galaxy! Become one with the Void, leave behind your earthen Fears, Desires, Hopes. Don't let it fill you out, consume your Soul, your very being, making you dull.
Commander Kaj	Posted - 2008.09.05 22:14:00 - [25] Look, you want to collect "garbage" from other peoples kills, then that is fine as long as you are doing it normal space. If you fly into someones mission while they are running it and start salvaging from under them then you are stealing plain and simple. I don't know about the rest of you, but the missions i run generally create about 10 million isk worth of "garbage" as some of you have put it. There is no argument to justify that that is not stealing. If you fly into someone else's mission and are not a part of their fleet, then you should immediately be considered an aggressor and they should have the right to kill you. It's not your mission, and you have no reason to be there unless you are intending on stealing from that person or group. Now, if they have turned in the mission before they decided to go back and salvage, then I say free game. If the mission is still open then stay the f' out of it!
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.09.06 04:08:00 - [26] Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Originally by: Fraszoid War dec them? When's the last time someone started stealing your wrecks, who was NOT in an npc corp? Griefer tactic ftw. when the "Suddenly Ninja's" corporation came into my mission? idk, just throwing it out there as for the stealing salvage thing, NO, hell no, high sec needs to have some risk, with the recent concord buff, its almost completely safe anywhoo, so again i say NO /not signed Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.09.06 04:11:00 - [27] Originally by: Shadow Richard true, all im saying is, there is a way to avoid it. i mostly do lvl 3 in high secs so i havent come across this problem, maybe this is in low sec. and for this: lol no, the ninja salvagers really dont bother with l3 missions, practically NO large wrecks, where as l4 missions can have a dozen or more large wrecks, w/ a ton of bc wrecks Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.09.06 04:15:00 - [28] Originally by: Commander Kaj Look, you want to collect "garbage" from other peoples kills, then that is fine as long as you are doing it normal space. If you fly into someones mission while they are running it and start salvaging from under them then you are stealing plain and simple. I don't know about the rest of you, but the missions i run generally create about 10 million isk worth of "garbage" as some of you have put it. There is no argument to justify that that is not stealing. If you fly into someone else's mission and are not a part of their fleet, then you should immediately be considered an aggressor and they should have the right to kill you. It's not your mission, and you have no reason to be there unless you are intending on stealing from that person or group. Now, if they have turned in the mission before they decided to go back and salvage, then I say free game. If the mission is still open then stay the f' out of it! gtf over it people, as i said, the recent concord buff has made high sec safer than it needs to be imho, get the hell over it, you miners and mission runners love to say "adapt or die" well, i say to you "adapt or die" why dont you do the EVE thing and war dec them if they steal "your" salvage or if they loot your wrecks, then just shoot their ass mission space is also not "owned" by you, who knows, maybe it is an upstanding citizen who just wants to help rid the universe of the pesky serpentis / angels / in-game pirate corps Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Commander Kaj	Posted - 2008.09.06 04:30:00 - [29] in case you did not see the response to this argument earlier, these thieves are using alt in npc corps so that they can not get war decked. They are not stupid. I also adapted to the situation and blew up the remaining wrecks before the a-hole could get to them. Someone that is not in my corp or alliance will not profit off of my work. It's stealing and anyone who says it is not is a thief defending their actions and exploiting a loophole that will soon be corrected I hope.
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.09.06 04:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Commander Kaj in case you did not see the response to this argument earlier, these thieves are using alt in npc corps so that they can not get war decked. They are not stupid. I also adapted to the situation and blew up the remaining wrecks before the a-hole could get to them. Someone that is not in my corp or alliance will not profit off of my work. It's stealing and anyone who says it is not is a thief defending their actions and exploiting a loophole that will soon be corrected I hope. now THAT is the EVE thing to do good job 10/10 Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"

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