and the drake is a fine counter.

CCP "fixing" things which arent broken at all again?

I havent got to know the curse or neuts were OP before this thread, nor were there any complaints about those.

WHY, OH WHY FOR THE MOTHER OF GOD, DOES CCP TOUCH THINGS WHICH ARE NO ISSUE?!?!?




Falcon = force recon
Curse = combat recon
see the difference?

If you do, you should at least compare the curse with the rook, which is exactly as painful in 1 vs. 1 vs. everything.
ECM can disable 4-5 targets easily from 60-80km, even missile boats... please try that with a curse/neuts.

I would argue the proliferation of T3's has greatly reduced the value of the Falcon. 35 base sensor strength is significant on a ship that can kill the Falcon within one missed cycle. One ECCM mod and boosts gets a Tengu to 100 sensor strength, lobs missiles 120k, points out to over 50k, and burning at ~4 km/s. You really want to be that Falcon pilot? Meanwhile, a sniper curse neuts out to what...64k? Caps out any smallish hull basically instantly, shutting down their tank and prop mods, and possible even their weapons. It makes a Cap Booster almost essential, and even that is only effective if you don't have many active mods.

I'm not sure I'd consider the Curse OP, but you can't deny it's a really, really mean ship with no truly effective counter. In all honesty though, there's no counter to a Lachesis or a Huginn either, and webbing/pointing over 100k sure feels OP at first glance as well. In some ways, the Falcon/Rook really are the most gimped Recons.

for those that know, it is proposed that capacitor batteries have a % chance that they will reflect back to the aggressor, a cycle of cap warfare. eg. I have a neut fitted, I start draining somebody, they have a cap battery fitted, i roll "unlucky" instead of the target getting drained I do

I had it confirmed that the current testing off this A. is applied to cap warfare specialist ships and b. currently applies the bonuses effect amount with the exact words "if you fly a curse, you're pretty much ******!" (said with much glee)

so I ask you all, why

i can understand non specialist ships having this effect apply, along the lines of "you want to neut somebody do the training, spend the isk and use a ship designed for it" e.g. the curse and bhaal have immunity from the effect while a neut domi
doesn't

I could also understand of each of the other specialties also had a "nemesis" module. e.g. a falcon jams a target with a eccm fitted has a % chance of dropping all its target locks or arazu points something with a stab and it can't warp for 20 seconds

but again I'm astounded why the curse and similar ships get such another massive Nerf (remember the nos change) while falcons and arazus continue to be insta win shiithin respective fleets (and yes I know that falcons should be compared to
pilgrims but I'm just happy that one of the Amarr recons is ok, I don't want to ask for the impossible and ask for the pilgrim to actually be not made even more worse

I mean its not like you can't already fit a cap booster as defence from cap warfare which is much better than the effect of an eccm.

the long run I understand why the nos Nerf went thru (even though i still fondly re member the curse glory days) but seriously this is just a Amarr screw job


thoughts people?

Is this 7 page thread seriously about a change to a module almost nobody uses in the first place, still has horrible fitting requirements, and therefore is likely to still be a niche mod?

This cap battery thing is a way smaller deal than you make it out to be.

Which doesn't change anything about the fact that the idea is dumb in the first place.

Which doesn't change anything about the fact that the idea is dumb in the first place.

Which doesn't change anything about the fact that the idea is dumb in the first place.

The Bhaal is necesary to kill remote rep cap fleets. Capitals are getting stronger every day and the ability to counter them seems to be getting slowly removed

I call bullshit. Caps have constantly had their weapons revamped over and over again in order to make sure that they don't obliterate subcaps. Titan nerf was just a few weeks ago iirc. All caps are still and have always been at the mercy of the bhaalgorn. It is literally a roflstomp mobile and it's too effective imho.
This change to neut ships effectively makes neuting chance based (but in a unique way) and will bring it to ECM's level, given that you fit the said counter module. All in all, it's going to require that neut specialized ships be fed cap which is mostly the case. This idea is one of the best I've heard in a whiile and I fully support it.
I don't know how it's going to be implemented but i'll welcome any sort of change that will flavor and spice up combat in EVE-O.

omg It's a bhaalgorn we've got no chance, run away run away

But capitals will be neuted by multiple enemies, even if they reflect half of neuting, it won't give them anything substantial.