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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
47
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:29:00 -
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Xearal wrote:As nobody asked.. Your Stuffs, I can haz?
There is no stuffs to haz - ebil Soundwave took it all! 
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Endeavour Starfleet
731
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:32:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:tl;dr - endeavor starfleet once joined some crappy nullsec renters because they're the only ones that would take in his equally worthless main before getting run back to highsec because it was full of quitters just like him who gave up at the first sign of adversity
lol full api key to rent space, where does he think of this ****?
I left renters because renters could care less about what happens to EVE. They will only whine ***** moan and quit after the fact never having once bothered to tell CCP. "This is broken"
People like you just don't get it. You view hisec as the great unwashed or the rebels. They wont be your fodder and they wont be your target (Or free victim) so what does that make them to you. "Worthless" Never mind that the fact that they did not quit during trial is why CCP has hundreds of employees working on EVE almost every day of the year. You can't stand the thought of someone saying no to Nullsec or wormhole dog crap being the goal of said player. Those who have experience in nullsec yet stay in high are now automatically "Worthless mains that can't get in the good ones" to folks like you Despite you knowing nothing about said person. The idea of nullsec pilot saying no to broken nullsec just doesn't click.
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Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
47
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:33:00 -
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At the moment, industrialists in 0.0 suffer under extreme disadvantages in virtually every aspect compared to those in hi-sec. Why shouldn't CCP level the playing field somewhat? Why should manufacturers in hi-sec get better quality station facilities, more station facilities, free CONCORD protection, multiple stations in the same system, and then cry unfairness when CCP Soundwave proposes a rebalancing?
Why do you hate 0.0 industrialists so much? |
Valleria Darkmoon
Parsec Flux
15
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:35:00 -
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Why would you play this game in the first place if your only goal is to steadily watch your wallet balance increase, how boring. Do you also watch the clock counting the minutes until you can go to bed?
Remember null players are often running both a micro and a macro risk by working in the space they do.
On a micro level they are risking the ship they are currently in as does everyone in space at all times, even in high sec although the real risk there is much lower generally.
On a macro level they are risking everything they have established in the space in which they live. If they start losing sov they lose access to stations, POSes burn all over and billions gets trapped in areas you can no longer realistically access. Wormholers take a similar risk though on a smaller scale as the logistics of attacking a wormhole corp can be tricky if you're unprepared. There is money to be made there as well but frankly those willing to put up hundreds of billions on both macro and micro risk levels deserve the highest payout, period.
I'm fine even with low sec becoming much more profitable, incursion or otherwise. Go out to Kador low sec on any given day. I had to go almost 20 jumps before I found a single POSed up Myrm, don't tell me doing your PvE out there is suicide because it's only suicide in your mind, this is NOT dangerous space by any stretch. Most of null is either empty or blue to you. Even when it's not blue, I've ninja ratted/plexed for days without ever docking and hauled back hundreds of millions in loot because there was simply no one else around. Use your map, a scout and your survival tactics and you'll be fine. Although I've not set foot in high sec for a very long time I approve of the changes. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3405
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:37:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:your leader lets you rat in your space? ours just yells at us to use Incursion alts because they're both more profitable and safer, then jump clone back to fight for space
truly the rewards of nullsec space vs incursions is balanced indeed
sov holding is basically a gimmick whose only real benefit is allowing you to build supercaps and upgrade ihubs to allow more anoms to spawn so that nobody will bother running them
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3405
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:39:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:People like you just don't get it. You view hisec as the great unwashed or the rebels. They wont be your fodder and they wont be your target (Or free victim) so what does that make them to you.
actually anyone who lives in highsec after playing the game for years upon years is just a risk-averse baby scared to death of the idea of losing access to the stations where all their things are in
the "rebels" live in wormholes and we just leave them alone because we suck at probing
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.03.26 09:44:00 -
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Andski wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:your leader lets you rat in your space? ours just yells at us to use Incursion alts because they're both more profitable and safer, then jump clone back to fight for space
truly the rewards of nullsec space vs incursions is balanced indeed sov holding is basically a gimmick whose only real benefit is allowing you to build supercaps and upgrade ihubs to allow more anoms to spawn so that nobody will bother running them
And jump Bridge arrays but that took another kick in the face last year when they restricted it to one per system.
Null is and always has been an ISK sink. How much ISK does Goon have tied up in capital and super capital BPO's? |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:08:00 -
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lol endeavour butthurt bitchin bout afk cloakers
wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
40
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:11:00 -
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Haha OP! Interesting point of view you have there. The way I read that is basically less competition from morons. While morons may be moronic, they are numerous enough to cause problems. Can't wait! |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:15:00 -
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also most of you hisecers except RvB duders, are all worthless because you are all mindless drones grinding for your next plex, why do you even play this game quit and gtfo
wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
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March rabbit
Ganse
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
145
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:18:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:hey anyone reading this i have a noctis tackled in NIZJ-0 in esoteria but my anathema can't crack the noctis' passive shield regen someone plz help i will fleet u and you can warp to this anom and we will share this km : twisted: http://i.imgur.com/2fgg8.jpg
try to put more than 1 n00b gun next time |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
666
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:31:00 -
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Maby its good maby not we will see, maby we will have "protests" again maby not. |
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:43:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:also most of you pve lovin hisecers are all worthless because you do nothing but grind for your next plex, what you going to tell me that pve in eve is fun? why do you even play this game quit and gtfo
Then you wouldn't have anything to bellyache about.
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
97
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:07:00 -
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You know what's really shafting high sec industry?
The people that do high sec industry.
I see it all the time, people making things where there's no profit in it then complaining about it.
Here's a free tip, buy up mid-meta mission loot for less than it's material value, reprocess, sell materials... or make stuff out of it and then sell it for it's material value (if not more).
Also, why should it be possibly to make huge amounts of easy, risk free, isk in empire? |
Mashie Saldana
Veto.
Veto Corp
428
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:25:00 -
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So what exactly is wrong with getting EVE back on track again?
Dominique Vasilkovsky
Mashie Saldana
Monica Foulkes |
Ender Karazaki
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:32:00 -
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I'm shaking in my virtual boots. Really I am...shaking. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5772
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:37:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I don't believe CCP is dumb enough to stomp on hisec players that hard. Especially after the many nerfs the players have already experienced Nerfs such asGǪ?
Mashie Saldana wrote:So what exactly is wrong with getting EVE back on track again? Your off-the-track earning scheme might be ruined. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Victor Valka
Endoxa Corporation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:38:00 -
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EVE IS DYING!!!11!00001011! 
What? Wrong thread? |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
106
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:40:00 -
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I never found 0.0 that risky but only stayed there about a month. Get rid of local then you could really call it risky. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3405
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:46:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:I never found 0.0 that risky but only stayed there about a month. Get rid of local then you could really call it risky.
yeah you're pretty dumb
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3405
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:48:00 -
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then again you probably don't consider losing access to your assets and having to firesale at 50% jita price a risk or you failed to consider that in your assessment because lol one month in nullsec
btw since it was so safe why didn't you stay there ;p
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Grumpy Owly
409
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:49:00 -
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Victor Valka wrote:EVE IS DYING!!!11!00001011! What? Wrong thread?
Please tell us who is offending you from behind and what we can do to help make it stop? 
Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
FTLENGAGE
Michael Schumacher Fan club
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:53:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Risk vs reward is what this game was founded on, and it's broken, way broken. High sec income needs to drop by 1/2 across the board, or content needs to be revamped to actually be difficult (lvl4s for example were created before rigs or T3 BSs were released).
so why is it so easy to farm rats in 0.0 with 0 risk? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
321
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:57:00 -
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FTLENGAGE wrote:
so why is it so easy to farm rats in 0.0 with 0 risk?
Because they made it safe for themselves.
They, not CCP.
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
106
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:58:00 -
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Andski wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:I never found 0.0 that risky but only stayed there about a month. Get rid of local then you could really call it risky. yeah you're pretty dumb
Would you like to expand on your comment?
We used to get hostiles coming through you could see them entering the system and just avoid them if you wished. As well as reporting their whereabouts.
But it would have been more interesting without local.
Edit: I see you have expanded on your comment in another post. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
1404
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:59:00 -
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Seriously chill out.
The problem with Eve the last few years is it got horribly stale and boring. People got stuck in their ways and much of the game turned into yawnsville online. Soundwave is right that it needs shaking to the core. Many forms of hisec income are too easy. Lowsec income definitely needs boosting in terms of interest and profitability and Nullsec passive moon income needed shooting in the head.
I wouldn't worry too much with theories of goon csms getting all they wanted btw. Chances are Mittani and crew will be kicking and screaming and whinging behind the scenes right up to the moment the ring-mining change happens and all the static moon goo wealth goes away. That will be the single most significant change the game has seen since moon-mining was introduced and it will turn 0.0 back into a brutal bloody warzone where alliances smash themselves to pieces in the quest for regional security and mining opportunity.
Impact on the rest of the game -> potentially immense as the prices of t2 ships and modules skyrocket - maybe it'll become more difficult for the average player to replace missioning nighthawks in the future but frankly - good.
Eve should be about interconnected systems where actions in one part of space impact players everywhere else. Last few years its like Hisec and Nullsec where separate shards and thats not how the game should work.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jastra
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 11:59:00 -
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Skydell wrote:it's really rather amusing, all this peanut gallery gibberish. Most of the people talking out of thier ass don't know or care to know the history of EVE.
There was a time there was no Concord and EVE was the wild west of MMO's with "HTFU EVE" mantra ruling the skies of New Eden.
They alos couldn't break 5K subs with that model and soon changed it.
Since that time, CCP stopped being an Inde corp and became a larger entity with debt to reflect it.
If they killed carbear in EVE I would put money on it, EVE would drop to max 30K Subs with 6K login (like it used to be not that many years ago) and with CCP's current debt, the company would bankrupt.
A company that is 10 years old is not old, it's a new company. A company that went from 75K revenue to 6 million revenue a month in 10 years is what is known to investors as a bubble.
EVE is not a l33tboi PvP bear game. EVE is a sandbox. It is Industry, it is exploration, it is PvE, it is PvP, it is mining, manufacturing, it is many, many things and you can smack talk all you want but the fact is, EVE needs all its players. It needs them all to feel achieved and it needs them to be having fun.
Or
It
Dies.
Yeah this (good post) - we all play the game in our own ways and have differing abilities to commit. I have to say I apparently choose to hear more positive things in terms of PVE than others, mining planet belts, love for POS and production coming (albeit next year I think), possibility of FPS exploration, new stuff to build.
Stuff like transaction charges and datacores is nothing to worry about unless you buy a lot of stuff, like, say if you lose a lot of ships, in say, PVP, since your prices will go up as the essential building blocks become more expensive (IF they become more expensive), but anyone producing stuff profitably will just add the extra charges into the price, surely ? - thats the way I assume CCP plan to take some ISK out of the economy, who recalls when Cap recharger 2's were like 20 million ?
What I would say is there is SO much negativity on these forums at the moment, which does not seem to be representative of fanfest, we all need to sit in a circle and sing songs or something.... it's just a game and if any of us played it in exactly the same way it would be dull, surely the essence of it's brilliance is it's a living breathing ecology. I love the PVP aspect and I love the carebear aspect, I dont see the big fuss over them and us.
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FTLENGAGE
Michael Schumacher Fan club
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:02:00 -
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Roime wrote:FTLENGAGE wrote:
so why is it so easy to farm rats in 0.0 with 0 risk?
Because they made it safe for themselves. They, not CCP.
low sec should have the best rewards then.....
far harder to keep low sec secure than it is some 0.0 region at the end of the universe a million jumps from anywhere |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
106
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:03:00 -
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Andski wrote:then again you probably don't consider losing access to your assets and having to firesale at 50% jita price a risk or you failed to consider that in your assessment because lol one month in nullsec
btw since it was so safe why didn't you stay there ;p
The day to day ISK making was fairly safe, but we lost the space in the end, thanks to the Russians. Fair play to them.
I also had assets that I had to remotely get rid of via contracts very cheaply. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3405
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Posted - 2012.03.26 12:07:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Would you like to expand on your comment?
We used to get hostiles coming through you could see them entering the system and just avoid them if you wished. As well as reporting their whereabouts.
But it would have been more interesting without local.
clearly you are qualified to give these insights because of the whole month you spent in nullsec
it's not like making cloaks overpowered is an issue
"WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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