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Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:19:00 -
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If you play a high sec game and have not seen this interview, watch it, and then make plans of moving out of high sec, or quitting the game.
Instead of adapt or die, I will be considering adapt or quit
http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve-online/interviews/inferno-part-one
What Soundwave is saying is pretty much further expounding on everything that came out of Fanfest
Highlights of what he says in the interview
Datacores: If you are smart, you will cash out before Inferno. Soundwave says those words between 8:30 of the interview. He believes the datacore system is "terribly abused". Those are his words. BTW, there will be an ISK charge to get your datacores from an agent
High sec Incursions: Some kind of nerf. This has been done to death in a ton of threads, no need for comments
ALL NPC bounties: At 13:45 to 15:00, a nerf of a suggested 10% across the board, all regions. Soundwave called this the "emergency button" button. Of course, at 12:50 of the interview that 10-15% of all NPC kills came out of Drone Regions. I doubt it will be a one to one ratio, but if they nerf all NPC income by 10%, yet Drones start having bounties, will not that be a wash for null sec income, but a high sec income nerf
Mining: No direct comment on high sec mining, but it will be better as low end mins prices rise, assuming null sec mining does not crank up. Soundwave at 11:35 says 40% of the high end minerals come from the null regions. That means nothing to high sec miners, but will kill high sec industrialists who rely on their high end mins from null sec being sold in high sec
High sec transaction taxes: At 13:28, he says empitransaction cost going up, because they want to reign in the economy. This has the biggest impact of course on the high sec players
Soundwave thinks that the economy is approaching a place that is "not healthy". He has started playing Ultima Online again and he does not want the Eve economy to reach the point that Ultima's is in
Soundwave makes it clear that he wants to shake Eve to its foundations. He says, and once again a quote " I kind of hope things go terribly wrong" at 8:02 of interview. I understand he does not want to design a game for specific results (his words), but many of the changes are going to trash high sec industrial chars specifically
Guess the null sec power blocs are getting want they want Even though the power blocs are losing direct control of moon goo, the wealth of that moon goo is staying in null sec The high sec players are getting shafted as the overall potential wealth generation in high sec is lowered
This is of course what many of the null sec zealots have wanted for quite some time
I have done my time in null sec and wh's. I will not be choosing that option of joining a low sec/ null sec/ wh corp if my income gets squeezed as badly as I forsee. I will be choosing the remaining option of quitting
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Zircon Dasher
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:25:00 -
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TEH END IZ NYE!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:27:00 -
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Hi, didn't read all of what you said... but here is the thing
High sec is not suppose to be where you can earn the most isk without much risk (besides suicide ganks) anywhere els you have to be aware of who is in local either by scanning constantly for probes on scan (in wormholes) constantly checking local in 0.0... (trying to rat in systems often camped by people with covert cynos ready to hotdrop 30 bombers on your income ships)
Risky space is suppose to be worth more than high sec, regardess of who holds it (just because it's a big alliance and coalition holding a large region or ten... doesn't make it 100% safe like high sec...
So -10% income on rats in high sec is fine. it's either that or buff it everywhere els.
Incursions too... shouldn't pay much more than a lvl 4 missions in high sec... but in low sec the payout is fine as is. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
526
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:30:00 -
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**** highsec industry tbh |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
377
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:31:00 -
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Meh, I already have plans to dive into a WH.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2177
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:33:00 -
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Once we make it impossible to place a POS in highsec this game will get interesting again. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
182
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:37:00 -
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You have pretty much condensed it to where it is going, OP.
High sec is going to become unplayable. "Be afraid" you say. Who? 10 years now, CCP have tried, tried and failed to herd the masses to null sec. You said so yourself. Most will just quit.
Who should be afraid here? |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:39:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:Hi, didn't read all of what you said... but here is the thing
High sec is not suppose to be where you can earn the most isk without much risk (besides suicide ganks) anywhere els you have to be aware of who is in local either by scanning constantly for probes on scan (in wormholes) constantly checking local in 0.0... (trying to rat in systems often camped by people with covert cynos ready to hotdrop 30 bombers on your income ships)
Risky space is suppose to be worth more than high sec, regardess of who holds it (just because it's a big alliance and coalition holding a large region or ten... doesn't make it 100% safe like high sec...
So -10% income on rats in high sec is fine. it's either that or buff it everywhere els.
Incursions too... shouldn't pay much more than a lvl 4 missions in high sec... but in low sec the payout is fine as is.
Who said anything about making as much as in null sec. I agree that risk should be balanced with return. But I have lived in wh space and null sec, and know how much I made there compared to how much I make in high sec. I made oodles more in null, which I am fine with.
But I expect the ability to actually maintain a quiet lifestyle in high sec. If these changes come down the pipe, high sec will be wiped out for me.
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baltec1
860
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:39:00 -
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I have spent the last 6 months building a high sec indudstrial company. Nothing said so far will stop me and my empire from growing. |
Xioden Acap
White Whales
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:42:00 -
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Prices will adjust and things will continue as usual. Not really much to see here. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
526
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:42:00 -
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Skydell wrote: You said so yourself. Most will just quit. lol everytime EVE has expanded warfare and pvp subs went up, when they put in expansions that introduced nothing but risk-free highsec carebear money machines like Incursion, Tyrannis and Incarna, CCP almost died. |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:45:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Once we make it impossible to place a POS in highsec this game will get interesting again.
When you say "we", do you mean the CSM? Interesting that a goon not on the CSM talks about having influence to move CCP in a direction. |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:47:00 -
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As a player for whom highsec is extremely relevant, I approve of pretty much all these changes. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2892
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:48:00 -
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Mommy?
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:49:00 -
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Xioden Acap wrote:Prices will adjust and things will continue as usual. Not really much to see here. Same thing happened with PI. Yeah, nothing to panic over. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
"Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
182
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:50:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Skydell wrote: You said so yourself. Most will just quit. lol everytime EVE has expanded warfare and pvp subs went up, when they put in expansions that introduced nothing but risk-free highsec carebear money machines like Incursion, Tyrannis and Incarna, CCP almost died. CSM elections by the player base, CCP market research and even advertisements all agree on what type of content is drawing new players into EVE, and it isn't some sort of gay concord-protected decshielded station docking bullshit
You have converted me, I'm a full supporter of carebearless EVE. Nuke High Sec. We need to bring in the new and improved PvP EVE.
Been saying that for years. Lets see it happen. Lets stop with all the smack talk CCP. You want HTFU EVE. Do it. Show some spine. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
437
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:02:00 -
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Skydell wrote:You have pretty much condensed it to where it is going, OP.
High sec is going to become unplayable. "Be afraid" you say. Who? 10 years now, CCP have tried, tried and failed to herd the masses to null sec. You said so yourself. Most will just quit.
Who should be afraid here?
Yes indeed, one CCP person making such statements as has been done has not considered the serious long term repurcussions.
Be Afraid ? I would say it's very much like commercial suicide on CCP's behalf.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
baltec1
860
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:07:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Skydell wrote:You have pretty much condensed it to where it is going, OP.
High sec is going to become unplayable. "Be afraid" you say. Who? 10 years now, CCP have tried, tried and failed to herd the masses to null sec. You said so yourself. Most will just quit.
Who should be afraid here? Yes indeed, one CCP person making such statements as has been done has not considered the serious long term repurcussions. Be Afraid ? I would say it's very much like commercial suicide on CCP's behalf. BAAAWWW |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:09:00 -
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To all the null sec zealots, I am certain that all these changes provide you with immense glee. But if you notice the title of the thread, it was not addressed to you.
You laugh now. You will continue to laugh as the high sec tears spread. I imagine you will continue to laugh into the early / mid fall, until CCP announces there is a drop in subscriptions.
I am looking forward to how people that have a raft of subs with chars focused on datacore production will find a way to justify keeping their accounts open. Some fellow posted in the industry forum he has quite a few accounts designed primarily for datacore farming. How many accounts pray tell will he need / feasibly run in low sec FW to get those same datacores?
And when some high sec mission runner sees his income nerfed 10%, I am sure he will have no problem just playing 10% more to gain the same income.
And when some industrialist who hates null is getting murdered trying to compete with null sec industrialists, no problem there. I am sure he will have a complete change of heart and join goons.
Plus all those incursion runner who opened up new accounts because of the income that they got from Vanguards, I am certain they will keep those accounts open.
But hey, it's OK. You zealots do your happy dance now.
It will be interesting to see if CCP is doing a happy dance as well say around October. |
Fierceshot
Fierce Recon
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:16:00 -
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CCP balancing a broken game?!? This is an OUTRAGE!! |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
527
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:19:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:To all the null sec zealots, I am certain that all these changes provide you with immense glee. But if you notice the title of the thread, it was not addressed to you.
You laugh now. You will continue to laugh as the high sec tears spread. I imagine you will continue to laugh into the early / mid fall, until CCP announces there is a drop in subscriptions.. subs only drop when highsec is catered to, see incursion and tyrannis
hth |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
527
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:21:00 -
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hey anyone reading this i have a noctis tackled in NIZJ-0 in esoteria but my anathema can't crack the noctis' passive shield regen
someone plz help i will fleet u and you can warp to this anom and we will share this km : twisted: |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:26:00 -
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Risk vs reward is what this game was founded on, and it's broken, way broken. High sec income needs to drop by 1/2 across the board, or content needs to be revamped to actually be difficult (lvl4s for example were created before rigs or T3 BSs were released). |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
645
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:27:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: subs only drop when highsec is catered to, see incursion and tyrannis
hth
That's not entirely right. The problem is that those expansion were all around ****, not that they catered to high sec. I'm pretty sure high sec dwellers don't enjoy moving dots around on a planet any more than I do. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
316
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:28:00 -
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I <3 Soundwave!
Vince Snetterton wrote: Datacores: If you are smart, you will cash out before Inferno. Soundwave says those words between 8:30 of the interview. He believes the datacore system is "terribly abused". Those are his words. BTW, there will be an ISK charge to get your datacores from an agent
This is the only passive income in EVE, it's also perfectly safe and needs to be fixed. Good!
Quote:High sec Incursions: Some kind of nerf. This has been done to death in a ton of threads, no need for comments
Even Incursion-runners agree that they need balancing, everybody thinks this is... Good!
Quote:ALL NPC bounties: At 13:45 to 15:00, a nerf of a suggested 10% across the board, all regions. Soundwave called this the "emergency button" button. Of course, at 12:50 of the interview that 10-15% of all NPC kills came out of Drone Regions. I doubt it will be a one to one ratio, but if they nerf all NPC income by 10%, yet Drones start having bounties, will not that be a wash for null sec income, but a high sec income nerf.
Mining: No direct comment on high sec mining, but it will be better as low end mins prices rise, assuming null sec mining does not crank up. Soundwave at 11:35 says 40% of the high end minerals come from the null regions. That means nothing to high sec miners, but will kill high sec industrialists who rely on their high end mins from null sec being sold in high sec
There are drones also in hisec, just FYI. Anyway hisec income really needs to be nerfed to the ground, spirit of EVE is to reward those who carve out their own space, co-operate to maintain and improve it and command their own destiny, not those who rely on NPC mechanisms for their protection.
This is really the best thing that could happen to EVE economy. There has been a massive power creep caused by higher income levels across the board, and the abundant supply of artficially low-priced minerals from botting in Drone Regions. This is a huge factor affecting PVP, ship losses are irrelevant, you see pirate ships and T3s in addition to battlecruisers and battleships, which are considered disposable. Good!
Quote:High sec transaction taxes: At 13:28, he says empitransaction cost going up, because they want to reign in the economy. This has the biggest impact of course on the high sec players
By far the most transactions happen in hisec, and this inludes absolutely everyone in EVE. Trade happens in the hubs, not in low, null or wspace - this has therefore the biggest impact on all of us, and is a much needed ISK sink. Good!
Quote:Soundwave makes it clear that he wants to shake Eve to its foundations. He says, and once again a quote " I kind of hope things go terribly wrong" at 8:02 of interview. I understand he does not want to design a game for specific results (his words), but many of the changes are going to trash high sec industrial chars specifically
In real economies, **** happens every now and then due to their open and chaotic nature. Power blocs fall, new opportunities and threats emerge. Some get rich, some poor. In a closed, virtual economy like EVE, this needs to be simulated. I find it refreshing and really hope for a massive depression - good!
Easy on the tinfoil, bud. This is good for the game, for everybody- with some thinking and right attitude, these changes can make you rich. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
182
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:29:00 -
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it's really rather amusing, all this peanut gallery gibberish. Most of the people talking out of thier ass don't know or care to know the history of EVE.
There was a time there was no Concord and EVE was the wild west of MMO's with "HTFU EVE" mantra ruling the skies of New Eden. They alos couldn't break 5K subs with that model and soon changed it. Since that time, CCP stopped being an Inde corp and became a larger entity with debt to reflect it. If they killed carbear in EVE I would put money on it, EVE would drop to max 30K Subs with 6K login (like it used to be not that many years ago) and with CCP's current debt, the company would bankrupt. A company that is 10 years old is not old, it's a new company. A company that went from 75K revenue to 6 million revenue a month in 10 years is what is known to investors as a bubble.
EVE is not a l33tboi PvP bear game. EVE is a sandbox. It is Industry, it is exploration, it is PvE, it is PvP, it is mining, manufacturing, it is many, many things and you can smack talk all you want but the fact is, EVE needs all its players. It needs them all to feel achieved and it needs them to be having fun.
Or It Dies. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:32:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:...
I live in High Sec and approve of all those things. I especially like that CCP Soundwave played a bit of UO again, perhaps it reminded him of where EVE came from. He should give CCP Greyscale some free time at work to play other Sandbox MMOs as well, might help with his ideas for Crimewatch.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2179
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:33:00 -
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Skydell wrote:If they killed carbear in EVE I would put money on it, EVE would drop to max 30K Subs with 6K login (like it used to be not that many years ago) and with CCP's current debt, the company would bankrupt.
I bet the population that experiences the most amount of churn is people who never leave high sec. CCP is just trying to allow carebears to experience the fun the rest of us are having. People who do nothing but mine or run missions must be miserable. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
527
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:33:00 -
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Skydell wrote:it's really rather amusing, all this peanut gallery gibberish. Most of the people talking out of thier ass don't know or care to know the history of EVE.. here allow me
unprecedented steady growth and retention of users in a fickle MMO market for nearly 10 years until highsec-exclusive, anti-PVP expansions were ushered in, bringing about the summer of rage until CCP wisened up and started making PVP-related expansions again |
Iggep
Crestlighter Heavy Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 07:37:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:To all the null sec zealots, I am certain that all these changes provide you with immense glee. But if you notice the title of the thread, it was not addressed to you.
You laugh now. You will continue to laugh as the high sec tears spread. I imagine you will continue to laugh into the early / mid fall, until CCP announces there is a drop in subscriptions.
I am looking forward to how people that have a raft of subs with chars focused on datacore production will find a way to justify keeping their accounts open. Some fellow posted in the industry forum he has quite a few accounts designed primarily for datacore farming. How many accounts pray tell will he need / feasibly run in low sec FW to get those same datacores?
And when some high sec mission runner sees his income nerfed 10%, I am sure he will have no problem just playing 10% more to gain the same income.
And when some industrialist who hates null is getting murdered trying to compete with null sec industrialists, no problem there. I am sure he will have a complete change of heart and join goons.
Plus all those incursion runner who opened up new accounts because of the income that they got from Vanguards, I am certain they will keep those accounts open.
But hey, it's OK. You zealots do your happy dance now.
It will be interesting to see if CCP is doing a happy dance as well say around October.
It strikes me that the thing that is not really being talked about is botting and the impact its actually had on the EVE economy. It seems to me that a hammer is being used to swat a rather pesky "fly" when what is really needed is for CCP to eradicate the botting problem. How many stories do we need to read of alliances basing their Cap fleets and ship replacement programs on the back of botting before botting is actually taken seriously by CCP? CCP already said that incursions aren't anywhere near the main faucet in the economy, bounties are. So run daily reports (I'd be shocked if they didn't already!) to see which accounts are in the top 10-20% of bounty earnings and dig into them. White list those accounts which are clearly not bots, and start banning the others. Ban the IPs and proxy addresses and over time you take care of a lot of this without having to make very many changes overall.
An annual ban wave is not sufficient, to mollify the wishes of the player base or for the economy clearly. More emphasis needs to be made -- strong, sustained emphasis.
http://www.iggepsrealm.com - the ramblings of a spaceship driving techophile |
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