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Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:46:00 -
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On day one of Fanfest, Seleene sitting with CCP Sunset and Soundwave said he saw so many "Carebears" coming to Fanfest, and Soundwave's face became a bitter scowl, it was rather illuminating. It's true that some emotions are hard to conceal but maybe I'm being paranoid. but to me, he doesn't appear to approve of that kind of play style. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
502
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Posted - 2012.03.26 14:59:00 -
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Ok, after having watched about 1/3 of the video before stopping it I noticed something unsual
There are two guys in the video
There is a tray with six glasses and a container filled with water that looks like it goes in a pneumatic transport system (like at a bank for the drive through, put money in container, put in tube and its sucked to the other end)
But there are two Dasani bottles, one on the table and the other on a filing cabinet with another one of those pneumatic transport tube water jus
CCP Soundwave was having a drinking contest (on the clock, no alcohol), a pissing match in the restroom at 10 paces incase of a tie breaker, and he lost so has to do an interview
Either that theory or there was planning for defense of possible alien invasion in EVE but they are covering it up with the interview while the rest of the people who were at the table had left but Soundwave got ambushed before he could exit the room. Actually, that makes more sense
But back on topic - Don't like it, fed up with EVE, just not having fun anymore. Just leave, cancel sub, and walk away. Don't need a drama post, don't need to theorize about it, just Stop payment -> Go, perhaps say good bye to aquaintances and find something else in life. That is kind of where I am at, been waiting to long for some spark to reignite and continue my interest in EVE while spending more time on the forums trolling then in game and if these expansion doesn't cut it....like Porky Pig's "Th-th-th-that's all folks!" cause there ins't anything to keep me in EVE and no WoW isn't the destination |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3539
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:06:00 -
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Why does the OP soud a bit pious?
So let me get this straingt? CCP wants to charge more for high sec protection via taxes, lesser pay, and gate tolls.
I see no problem here move along.
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Kla2
Defiance LLC
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:09:00 -
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Skydell wrote:
EVE is not a l33tboi PvP bear game. EVE is a sandbox. It is Industry, it is exploration, it is PvE, it is PvP, it is mining, manufacturing, it is many, many things and you can smack talk all you want but the fact is, EVE needs all its players. It needs them all to feel achieved and it needs them to be having fun.
A grain of truth amidst all the whining and complaining.
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
421
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:25:00 -
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i live in highsec, none of what he says sounds bad a bit more taxes? idc it makes skills that reduce taxes more important incursion nerf? this has been needed for a while in fact what it sounds like will happen is more LP less isk, meaning its less of a faucet, not less profitable datacore farming? its still going to be isk machines, just not as profitable in fact it will not become an is sink. bounty nerf? this will be in every region and after drones get bounties |
Kla2
Defiance LLC
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:27:00 -
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Josefius wrote:On day one of Fanfest, Seleene sitting with CCP Sunset and Soundwave said he saw so many "Carebears" coming to Fanfest, and Soundwave's face became a bitter scowl, it was rather illuminating. It's true that some emotions are hard to conceal but maybe I'm being paranoid. but to me, he doesn't appear to approve of that kind of play style.
What did you expect? Think back to Sim City. After you've built this fantastic city with all your time and hard work.........the very next thing you did was send godzilla or a meteor shower or some other diasaster to your little world. And watch it burn. Then build it back. EVE is CCP's Sim City. Why should they want it to be easy and passive? They want to toss in a few grenades and watch us scramble around trying to survive. They wouldn't have it any other way.....unless we won't pay for it, hehe. |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:30:00 -
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Kla2 wrote:Skydell wrote:
EVE is not a l33tboi PvP bear game. EVE is a sandbox. It is Industry, it is exploration, it is PvE, it is PvP, it is mining, manufacturing, it is many, many things and you can smack talk all you want but the fact is, EVE needs all its players. It needs them all to feel achieved and it needs them to be having fun.
A grain of truth amidst all the whining and complaining.
I am in wait and see mode. I expect this to be a disaster , obviously. If I can't pay for my accounts through high sec operations that are not equivalent to a job, I will simply let my accounts lapse.
The consequences of CCP's actions will be seen by mid/late fall, whatever they might be.
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Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
50
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Posted - 2012.03.26 15:33:00 -
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Kla2 wrote:Josefius wrote:On day one of Fanfest, Seleene sitting with CCP Sunset and Soundwave said he saw so many "Carebears" coming to Fanfest, and Soundwave's face became a bitter scowl, it was rather illuminating. It's true that some emotions are hard to conceal but maybe I'm being paranoid. but to me, he doesn't appear to approve of that kind of play style. What did you expect? Think back to Sim City. After you've built this fantastic city with all your time and hard work.........the very next thing you did was send godzilla or a meteor shower or some other diasaster to your little world. And watch it burn. Then build it back. EVE is CCP's Sim City. Why should they want it to be easy and passive? They want to toss in a few grenades and watch us scramble around trying to survive. They wouldn't have it any other way.....unless we won't pay for it, hehe.
You make a very good point... and yes I remember those days :) |
Noceur-01 Tiers
Dvice Shipyards
2
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Posted - 2012.03.26 16:41:00 -
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I hope we see much changes making high sec into **** because I'm tired of dwelling there. Going out as it is right now would most likely only get me killed very fast without any good ways of actually supporting my life in comparison to hisec incursions/lv4s but if there was a mass emigration I would love to go out there. Also I would assume that with more players the possibility to do solo/duo pvp becomes more possible. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1382
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:28:00 -
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Josefius wrote:On day one of Fanfest, Seleene sitting with CCP Sunset and Soundwave said he saw so many "Carebears" coming to Fanfest, and Soundwave's face became a bitter scowl, it was rather illuminating. It's true that some emotions are hard to conceal but maybe I'm being paranoid. but to me, he doesn't appear to approve of that kind of play style.
I'm pretty sure Soundwave doesn't have any issues with a particular play style. I certainly don't because I've probably spent as much time building things as I have destroying them. v0v Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
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Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:46:00 -
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Ultima Online - I find that funny. Everyone uses easyuo in that game. |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:55:00 -
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Eh I dont see it as an exclusive high sec nerf... |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
52
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:56:00 -
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Who cares if your income is going down by 10%
90% of peanuts/hour is still peanuts/hour |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
44
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:03:00 -
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None of this sounds particularly bad or dire. The economy is out of control. High sec needs to be shaken up. I can live with bounty cuts and tax increases, and I don't see much else here. There are drone missions in high sec, too, so I don't understand why OP does not think that will in fact balance out. High end minerals also come from wormholes, which are relatively safe places to play, if you know what you're doing or you have a good corp to teach you.
The other changes CCP has announced regarding high sec security are in fact encouraging to players who want a safer environment for their play. If that comes with a cost, so be it. Safety should cost more. Rewards to high sec should be lowered if risk in high sec is also being lowered.
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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
199
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:10:00 -
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Has CCP said what proportion of the player community plays exclusively in highsec?
I'd want to be very careful about biting the hand that feeds if I were them.
As to whether I'll throw in the towel after these nerfs go into effect, I'll have to see how badly it bites my ability to make ISK. Already tried nullsec gameplay is it sucks kinda badly from my point of view, so highsec is where I live. |
Plaude Pollard
Aliastra Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:17:00 -
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Who cares? On my two other accounts, I already planned on moving into a WH soon, so **** the high-sec nerf. And with this one, well, I'll find something to do. Probably find a dozen or two new players, roam around in null-sec with them, kill stuff...
You high-seccers just go ahead and have fun whining over a high-sec nerf. I'll be sitting here in the corner. Killing stuff. For fun. Ignoring you... The usual. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
1223
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:24:00 -
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Sounds great - I may finally have an incentive to go back to 0.
I doubt much will change for the majority - profit divided by zero risk is still an infinite risk/profit ratio - no matter how heavily taxed it is. morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
60
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:25:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:Has CCP said what proportion of the player community plays exclusively in highsec?
I'd want to be very careful about biting the hand that feeds if I were them.
As to whether I'll throw in the towel after these nerfs go into effect, I'll have to see how badly it bites my ability to make ISK. Already tried nullsec gameplay is it sucks kinda badly from my point of view, so highsec is where I live.
This. Until then, I'll continue to mirror the cliche of the crazy old guy sitting on his porch with a shotgun all day long because the bank keeps on coming by trying to buy his land, that he doesn't want to sell, because they want to build a stripmall, but he doesn't give an eff because it's where his pappy grew up and died and his pappy before him and his pappy too and it's where he'll live and die too. Captain of the Battlestar Carebear |
Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:30:00 -
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I have spent half my life as a high sec bear and half as a WH bear and these changes look good. |
Conu Leonida
Ex 24.7 v3
5
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:33:00 -
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CCP won't do anything to endanger their hisec dwellers. They might prod them and touch them in some places, but they won't risk alienate the people not willing to go into lowsec, WH or nullsec.
Asides for suicide ganks which are more common along miners or going for +2bil fits and can-baiting, pushing people averse to PVP into PVP will not work. They are settled in their own ways and most of them would look for something else where they could do similar activities.
Despite all their high and mighty attitude, CCP is still a company trying to make money. So, withing limits, the more people joining the game and having a decent start-up experience, thus sticking with the game, the better.
Thus, we need to take into account that quite a lot of people are in "protected" space. Which means, discounting the PVP-ers, that they may be at least equal to the people in lowsec and nullsec, where supposedly the risk is a constant. After that, we need to take into account that most MMO players are "carebears" which like to bash NPCs.
Therefore, CCP will have limited maneuver space to modifying game-play in hisec. |
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
393
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:35:00 -
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How quickly we go from "It's a sandbox. Do what you want." TO "EVE is supposed to be a....(insert ill-considered, self-centered definition.)" This is why few of these people can be trusted. It's not that they're dishonest (which most of them are). It's that they can't juggle complicated things in their minds. It's got to be all THIS or all THAT with them.
The CCP weenies won't say either way. However, you have to believe they had something in mind when they dreamed all this up. Both sides can't be right (architecturally or mechanically speaking). It's doubtful the one-dimensional thinkers have a hope to be right. What CCP's intention was at inception seems to have changed like a deadbeat dad's at conception. They're standing back with their hands behind them pretending not to notice.
The MAJORITY (which isn't you Goonwaffle) subscribes (with money) to the notion it's a SANDBOX. It's not hard to visualize the really good and experienced players (Read: YOU Goonwaffles) have evolved a game for themselves that allow them to set up their own dynasties in null sec. Low sec players [can] be situated in between the beginners and the pros, too good to be in hi sec, not quite organized enough to move into null.
The WARS arise when competing interests in NULL start bumping into each other as they expand...push coming to shove over resources, transportation lanes and other such traditional reasons for eternal warfare.
All this talk about "make hi sec like this" so "null and low sec can be like this" is NOT a sandbox. It's tailoring the game mechanics to suit one method of play "EVE is supposed to be like...."
The MAJORITY of players AREN'T stupid. We see this being done. We have good bullshit detectors, so however it's being phrased, it is what it is. Chest beating, crowing, insulting, coercion are all what they've always been since we came out of the trees. No base, digital, MMO-l33t, vandal has a hope of convincing anyone (even themselves) that it's otherwise.
A sign of a cogent idea is it's not self-contradictory. There's a lot of people who need to either STFU or go back to the drawing board...but, that would be the intelligent thing to do...something not operating in this environment (so the naked eye can detect it.)
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1174
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:36:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Josefius wrote:On day one of Fanfest, Seleene sitting with CCP Sunset and Soundwave said he saw so many "Carebears" coming to Fanfest, and Soundwave's face became a bitter scowl, it was rather illuminating. It's true that some emotions are hard to conceal but maybe I'm being paranoid. but to me, he doesn't appear to approve of that kind of play style. I'm pretty sure Soundwave doesn't have any issues with a particular play style. I certainly don't because I've probably spent as much time building things as I have destroying them. v0v
You should rebuild MC. I always wanted to join MC before you guys disbanded. :(
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
199
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:37:00 -
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Conu Leonida wrote:CCP won't do anything to endanger their hisec dwellers. They might prod them and touch them in some places, but they won't risk alienate the people not willing to go into lowsec, WH or nullsec.
Asides for suicide ganks which are more common along miners or going for +2bil fits and can-baiting, pushing people averse to PVP into PVP will not work. They are settled in their own ways and most of them would look for something else where they could do similar activities.
Despite all their high and mighty attitude, CCP is still a company trying to make money. So, withing limits, the more people joining the game and having a decent start-up experience, thus sticking with the game, the better.
Thus, we need to take into account that quite a lot of people are in "protected" space. Which means, discounting the PVP-ers, that they may be at least equal to the people in lowsec and nullsec, where supposedly the risk is a constant. After that, we need to take into account that most MMO players are "carebears" which like to bash NPCs.
Therefore, CCP will have limited maneuver space to modifying game-play in hisec.
This sounds very reasonable and logical.
Then again we are talking about a company that tried to put a pay to win scheme in the game only a year ago.
Let's see what they do. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2012.03.26 21:55:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:The MAJORITY (which isn't you Goonwaffle) subscribes (with money) to the notion it's a SANDBOX. It's not hard to visualize the really good and experienced players (Read: YOU Goonwaffles) have evolved a game for themselves that allow them to set up their own dynasties in null sec. Low sec players [can] be situated in between the beginners and the pros, too good to be in hi sec, not quite organized enough to move into null. You're subscribing a bit too hard to the idea that we seriously sit around and worry about that publords do in highsec. Other than some people who do stuff there like market action, mineral compressing, jump freightering most of us only occasionally care. (Other than of course if we're having celebrations in highsec~. I hope you stocked up on Caldari ice after Riverini told you of Bat Country's heroic interdiction). There's even a pretty nice market hub down here with competitive prices on stuff that is important to what we do.
A bunch of idiots decided to try and wipe a member corp off the map and after goodness how long of sieging them they got chased off in two days when we all came down to defend our allies. And then there's bigger things like people who will kick us out of our home by febuary, and people who don't want their moons in Tenal anymore. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
395
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:13:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Serene Repose wrote:The MAJORITY (which isn't you Goonwaffle) subscribes (with money) to the notion it's a SANDBOX. It's not hard to visualize the really good and experienced players (Read: YOU Goonwaffles) have evolved a game for themselves that allow them to set up their own dynasties in null sec. Low sec players [can] be situated in between the beginners and the pros, too good to be in hi sec, not quite organized enough to move into null. You're subscribing a bit too hard to the idea that we seriously sit around and worry about that publords do in highsec. Other than some people who do stuff there like market action, mineral compressing, jump freightering most of us only occasionally care. (Other than of course if we're having celebrations in highsec~. I hope you stocked up on Caldari ice after Riverini told you of Bat Country's heroic interdiction). There's even a pretty nice market hub down here with competitive prices on stuff that is important to what we do. A bunch of idiots decided to try and wipe a member corp off the map and after goodness how long of sieging them they got chased off in two days when we all came down to defend our allies. And then there's bigger things like people who will kick us out of our home by febuary, and people who don't want their moons in Tenal anymore. I don't doubt this a bit. I can't see Goonwaffle being themselves without a concerted effort to make [your] mark out where it counts. Regardless of my ascerbic tone, I've said time and again the Goons deserve respect for what they've achieved (despite having a Mitt on one hand). More power to you.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
gfldex
402
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:35:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote: Soundwave makes it clear that he wants to shake Eve to its foundations. He says, and once again a quote " I kind of hope things go terribly wrong" at 8:02 of interview. I understand he does not want to design a game for specific results (his words), but many of the changes are going to trash high sec industrial chars specifically
You capacity to misunderstand ppl is astounding.
Lets burn down Carebears-Online and rise Everlasting-Fun-Online from it's ashes. |
gfldex
402
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:42:00 -
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Don't worry honey, the veld will stay in highsec. Maybe.
Lets burn down Carebears-Online and rise Everlasting-Fun-Online from it's ashes. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1178
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Posted - 2012.03.26 22:49:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote: Datacores: If you are smart, you will cash out before Inferno. Soundwave says those words between 8:30 of the interview. He believes the datacore system is "terribly abused". Those are his words. BTW, there will be an ISK charge to get your datacores from an agent
Is this a problem?
Quote: ALL NPC bounties: At 13:45 to 15:00, a nerf of a suggested 10% across the board, all regions. Soundwave called this the "emergency button" button. Of course, at 12:50 of the interview that 10-15% of all NPC kills came out of Drone Regions. I doubt it will be a one to one ratio, but if they nerf all NPC income by 10%, yet Drones start having bounties, will not that be a wash for null sec income, but a high sec income nerf
Fallacy - it'll be a nerf to any individual's income no matter where they live.
Quote: High sec transaction taxes: At 13:28, he says empitransaction cost going up, because they want to reign in the economy. This has the biggest impact of course on the high sec players
This affects everyone equally. Do you somehow assume that people living in null sec don't have assets or something? In fact, this is a direct nerf to people like me who make most of their ISK from market whoring.
Quote: I understand he does not want to design a game for specific results (his words), but many of the changes are going to trash high sec industrial chars specifically ... I have done my time in null sec and wh's. I will not be choosing that option of joining a low sec/ null sec/ wh corp if my income gets squeezed as badly as I forsee. I will be choosing the remaining option of quitting
I see nothing that supports this viewpoint. It seems like high sec is becoming more bear friendly from my perspective. Consider the aggro and war dec changes and the blatant abuse that comes from the new AltDecShield.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
143
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:04:00 -
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How dare they try to fix something the majority of the community has been complaining about for years! |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:04:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:Hi, didn't read all of what you said... but here is the thing
High sec is not suppose to be where you can earn the most isk without much risk (besides suicide ganks) anywhere els you have to be aware of who is in local either by scanning constantly for probes on scan (in wormholes) constantly checking local in 0.0... (trying to rat in systems often camped by people with covert cynos ready to hotdrop 30 bombers on your income ships)
Risky space is suppose to be worth more than high sec, regardess of who holds it (just because it's a big alliance and coalition holding a large region or ten... doesn't make it 100% safe like high sec...
So -10% income on rats in high sec is fine. it's either that or buff it everywhere els.
Incursions too... shouldn't pay much more than a lvl 4 missions in high sec... but in low sec the payout is fine as is.
Driving a industrial with all mid slots empty in null sec to pick up your planetary production(0% taxed but 300% higher production than high sec) is the very definition of high risk.
I get cold sweats just thinking about it. |
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