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Poldarn Joaq
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.09.08 11:21:00 -
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How about a battleship that can use a command module like the battle cruisers? or several?
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 12:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Yon Krum
Heh. I addressed just this issue of the "missing" tier2 EW battleships in another thread (too lazy to link it).
We don't want/need EW BS. The only ones who have one are Caldari - and it's a fine ship really (and well balanced, really). We certainly don't want/need a BS with target painting bonuses or something.
I don't even think we need more BS, personally, but OK.
Originally by: Yon Krum
Minmatar: Sniper ship-- TP effect and range bonus, large projectile falloff bonus and missile speed bonus. Give options for turrets or launchers, but not really both.
Snipers generally want to have uniform guns. Having both missiles and guns on a sniper is fail. Having a falloff bonus in a sniper is twice the amount of fail - falloff bonuses are only useful on ACs, and fighting at range with ACs is very inferior.
Originally by: Yon Krum
TP, by the way, improves both damage and tracking,
No. It improves tracking. Tracking can (but doesn't always) boost damage. TP bonus on a BS is fail. Disagree? OK.
According to your logic of how TP is good, can we have a web range bonus? I'd hate to overboost our ships with overpowered TPs, when we can live with the inferior webrange bonus, you know. 
Originally by: Yon Krum
and range bonus for large proj is actually a damage bonus when you use "better" ammo....
Range bonus for X gun is a damage bonus when you can use "better" ammo. Falloff bonus just means you suck less with ammo X. Seriously now, unless you're in hugging range you're best off firing barrage. See how falloff works to figure out why. So no better ammos, just barrage. Sure, you do better DPS if you've got a falloff bonus and you're firing Barrage, but, erm, you're always worse then a ship which actually has optimal.
Originally by: Yon Krum
Plus, torps need missile speed. Probably an armor-tanker.
6 low armour tanker is sortof bad. If you do spend all your bonuses on falloff + missile speed and TP, you are aware that you create a ship which has virtually no DPS at all. While sucking as a sniper in a horrible way.
You're basically saying "let's give Minmatar a totally worthless ship".
Originally by: Yon Krum
Amarr: Large drone ship. Scaled-up Abritrator, with 6/6/6 slots and 4/4 turret/launcher. Otherwise, very straightforward. Unfortunately, black is for tech 2....
6 lows on a armour tanker is just bad (of course, it'd open the funny shield tank with 6 mids option). Else it's a lovely idea. Then again, with a drone bonus and good dronebay, and full flight of heavies, it could be interesting.
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Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar
Noonday Sun Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.09 16:47:00 -
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I would love to have a Minnie BS that focused on missles. 7 launcher slots with a bonus to EM damage. Armor tanked to give it a different skill requirement from Caldari BS's. It would be great for doing anti-Sansha and anti-Blood raider missions -- the Raven's weakest area.
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InsanlyEvlPerson
Gallente
Night-Stalkers
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Posted - 2008.09.09 17:02:00 -
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We need tier 2 destroyers. this would mainly mean more mid/low slots for tanking and maybe 5-6 guns (missiles for caldari maybe?). this would provide a better stepping stone to a cruiser for new players, would be fun to fly, ones with mids could use E-war, and the ones with lows could get gankier... new models, and some love for a class that hasnt seem to been touched since i started playing this game in 2005...
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Hikaru Sulu
Caldari
Black Legion Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.09 17:18:00 -
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Personally I just want to see more ships period, of all classes. First destroyers though, having just one per race is lame.
Originally by: Morrow Disca
So, I find myself suddenly cross training for Amarr. .... because the abaddon firing lasers looks cooler than the Fonz carrying a big bag of cool things. |
Kurt Gergard
Caldari
Custodes Mandati Imperii
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Posted - 2008.09.09 17:35:00 -
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More ships are good :D More battleships even better cause I love them. Their mean look the size lot's of guns everything. And I think as mentioned before that there is a place for one more for every race. I do not understand people that say NO to giving every race a EW battleship. Caldari has one and most people like it. I do however think that a more ganky bs for caldari would be cool. Every ships caldari has lacks sth. Apart from ECM you are usualy as good or better in other race ship to fullfil the role. So I say 7 med slots and 3-4 lows with whatever weapon sistem ccp finds siutable and I would never crawl back to the forums ever.
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Frankinator
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.14 06:19:00 -
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I'd personally like to see a Khanid style (must be black or at least dark blue) torp spamming armor-tanking BS. Anyone else?
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Corstaad
Minmatar
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.09.14 06:33:00 -
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You mean a typhoon?
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Lucian Alucard
Caldari
Black Vice Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.14 09:16:00 -
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Ahem...though this is just rehashing a few previously mentioned ideas it has a few new ones too.
First introduce dedicated EW teir 3 BC.
Second rework tier 1 bc to be primarily used as gang support ships. With their t2 counter parts getting a needed boost in damage.
Third intro tier 4 BC that are speced as high dps ships that use small BS grade weapons (( I.e. Dual 425s, Heavy Beams and Dual 250s)), but at the expense of defense. Or if tanked at the expense of damage.
Then the BS work needs to be done.
The Scorp needs to be looked at badly as is its just out classed in its role by smaller ships that serve more then one purpose.
The Gallente need an Ewar boat.
The Amar could use a large Arbitrator.
The Minnies NEED a decent missle boat.
The Caldari is kinda tricky one lots of people want to scream for a close in hybrid ship but there would be nothing else like it in the race, hence breaking the continuity of the ship progression template ( Ie. Kestrel,Caracal,Raven Etc.). In reality I think a gigantic rep ship/ drone ship would be more suiteable.
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Tascaithos
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Posted - 2008.09.14 09:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tascaithos on 14/09/2008 09:31:05
I'd like to see tier 3 bcs first. Another tier of BSes would be cool too, though.
Amarr should get a drone/missile ship, a "big brother of the Arbitrator", made by Khanid Empire.  Or, maybe even a big brother of the Curse? Would be salivation-inducing. Bonuses to vamps/neuts & drones on a t1 bc/bs? Do want! Also, make it not-***** shaped, ccp! D: Amarr have enough *****-shaped bses to last a century, kthx.  
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Frankinator
Malevolent Emo Herders
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.14 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Corstaad
You mean a typhoon?
Yeah, like a Typhoon except meeting all the criteria I stated above. Also Id like more than 4 launchers on it. Maybe 6 but not get the bonii to missiles as much as a Raven.
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.09.14 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Face McStabber
im all for adding to the eve ship repetoire
I agree. More ships (balanced ships) mor diversity adn fun :)
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.09.14 17:15:00 -
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Besides fleet, you baerly see anyone but newbs flying BS's in pvp.
Fix nano problem and you'll see a resurgence in BS pvp,a nd maybe a reason to expand the ship class.
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freed0m rus
Starbridge
Brotherhood of Starbridge
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Posted - 2008.09.14 17:21:00 -
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it would be really nice to see missile machariel (ammatar bs) ingame...i've heard that it was seen at singularity..
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.09.14 19:04:00 -
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black abbadon with torps, kthx
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