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Dristra
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.09.07 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Face McStabber im all for adding to the eve ship repetoire
This. more ships is a good ting.
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Shak'Rah
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Posted - 2008.09.07 21:21:00 -
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like he said, more.... MOAR SHIPS is better. but in all seriousness another destroyer would be even better... like more missiles and more drones... even better, an Assault Destroyer. one step above the Assault Frigate and one below the HAC.
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Master Raydon
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Posted - 2008.09.07 21:40:00 -
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more battleships?..nah...
...all we need is less lag in Jita and some mission systems... well that's all I need...
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa.
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Posted - 2008.09.07 21:43:00 -
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more battlecruisers! (and command ships :P) (and FFS don't make them cost more than harbingers etc, a harb is already more costly to use than a geddon in many cases....:S)
more cruisers be nice too...
i don't really like BS's :P -sig-
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Kazang
Gallente KnightRaven Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:10:00 -
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Tier 2 BC would be yummy
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Shosoru
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:13:00 -
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every new ships model must be loaded when you see one. might not be too wise to add so many new ships , a fleet with all sorts of ships can cause a big lag on your side while they have all there models in cache. maybe....
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Hotice
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:27:00 -
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I would like to see a new t2 type bs that could mount one or two capital class weapons. Ship bonus would be tracking, weapon signture radius and rate of fire. Consider those as mini dreads. Or some new BCs with 8x turret slots, 100% weapon damage for small guns and +50% weapon range as ship bonus. Would be interesting to field those ships in small gang.
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uzumoreru
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:34:00 -
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How about:
Minmatar: optimal and TP bonus (think RF emp in arties at 60-80km optimal with TP boosting hitrate)
Amarr: TD strength and drone damage bonus (RP wise amarr invented drones afaik)
Gallente: damp optimal and sentry range bonus (drone sniper)
Caldari: Hybrid damage and hybrid optimal (this one is weakest role option out of 4 imo, but would make good sniper or null blaster user)
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/09/2008 22:52:56
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
And Tier 2 Commandships
This. I want a T2 Hurricane.
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.09.07 23:16:00 -
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Hrmm well I'd like to see a Khanid BS(armor tank + torps/cruise). That or something like a giant version of the curse(neut/vamp + drones).
I don't really fly the other races BS outside of missions so I don't care to much but I'd like to see logistics BS added into the mix. Right now I think there is far to much focus on gank and tank and not enough on other aspects like ewar and logistics. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity." |
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Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
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Posted - 2008.09.07 23:36:00 -
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EoM Armageddon please. In case you don't know it: its black/blue and extremely awesome.
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.07 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Cataclysm EoM Armageddon please. In case you don't know it: its black/blue and extremely awesome.
And yeah, the most awesome part it is a railgun/shield ship.. ***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.09.08 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Asterian XVV i want you inside me kessah
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Mr Ignitious
Gallente R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2008.09.08 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Originally by: Asterian XVV i want you inside me kessah
do i get 2nds? =)
Also, i fully endorse the idea.
Gallente ewar boat:
range bonus, dampener range bonus. The ultimate sniper/anti sniper.
Caldari:
erm, idk if you guys want moar missilez or another gankier rokh (i like the rokh personally) but we could go with
Rof (turret/Launcher)+ Damage (Missile/turret) idc. So long as these things dont end up tier 4 (thats nasty, and would imply more hp and icky...)
Minmitar:
how about a pseudo mim buff ship?
HUGE tracking bonus, say 15% per level, and we can ask astro if to accompany it he wants rof or damage bonus.
Or maybe said HUGE tracking + huge... optimal... range? i'm down.
Amarr:
Drone Boni + resists ? sounds cool to me
Just my ideas, obviously i'd change my opinion if someone else had something cool... But me likes it!
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.08 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ignitious
HUGE tracking bonus, say 15% per level, and we can ask astro if to accompany it he wants rof or damage bonus.
Ask astro? Not a chance.
ROF bonus is the "Cap usage" bonus of minmatar (read - needed to make projectiles "balance" in terms of DPS), so I'm pretty sure it would be mandatory.
Currently I hate projectiles far too much to consider bonusing a ship towards them, so full speed ahead minnie missile boat! Yarrrrrr!
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White Ronin
Gallente Night Wolves
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Posted - 2008.09.08 02:00:00 -
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A drone based Amarr Bs. A faction bs that is drone based. All good things here. --------------------------------------------- "There have always been ghosts in the machine . . . random segments of code that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. " |
kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:11:00 -
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would love more missle battleships tbh.
Weve 1 and a half out of 12 battleships and no battleships with a 7 med slot layout.
Id be interested in another caldari boat with perhaps 5 launchers, 7 med slots, but low grid and high cpu.
Matari id like to see something similar, but with more grid, perhaps 6 low slots 6 launchers. Bonuses along the line of high alpha with 5% dmg of torpedos/cruise and mebbie a 5% reduction in mwd penalty making it a close range missle ship (would give a missle ship alot more versatility instead of the ravens mostly stationary role)
We have the same with drones boats, only 1 drone ship out of 12 and imho Amarr need a drone boat, 5mid slots 6 low slots 8 high slots with 5/6 turret (similar to the tempest) only with low grid and cpu, Perhaps, the domi's bonus to drones and 5% turret rof per level? Would be nice to see it be more suited for dual heavy pulse.
Finally gallente, id like to see it with a more EW role aswell, again 1 battleship out of 12 has a EW role, 6 med slot dampeners, with bonus to match along with hybrid turret dmg.
Theres alot of room for another tier in the Battleship category, Battleships are the oldest class still used heavily in eve today, they have and always should be the backbone of any fleet.
Ofc my suggestions are just off top of my head, so probably very imbalanced, but theres not enough of what we have already imho.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:16:00 -
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Caldari BS with the Raven's missile ROF bonus and the Rokh's resistance bonus
...and 7 medslots
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Caldari Minmatar BS with the Raven's missile ROF bonus and the Rokh's resistance bonus
...and 7 medslots
Pls.
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kessah
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.09.08 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina Caldari BS with the Raven's missile ROF bonus and the Rokh's resistance bonus
...and 7 medslots
k thats overpowered... just abit
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Schnitzar
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Posted - 2008.09.08 04:57:00 -
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Yeah, more is better.
For gallente pick two of tracking, optimal range armor HP and damage for the bonus. Then 8 turret slots, pleanty of lowslots and a small dronebay.
For amarr, armor tanking torp spamming... oh and can I get that in black?
As for a tier 3 battlecruiser, I would prefer to see a commandship boost first as such ships would probably remove what little reason there is to fly a field command ship as it is.
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forum mematar
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon The last time new Battleships were added, the Caldari got the only real addition with a Sniper-Battleship.
Gallente, Minmatar and Amarr got sadly only Tier 3 BS which are variations of the Tier 2 ones.
And Amarr only got what is propably the best battleship in the game atm. ---
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Silvana Kor'ah
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Orion GUardian Why a second dessi? a third BC would be ok though, but not necessary
Cause the current tier 1 dessi can only perform one specific role. Anti frig warfare achieved by high dps thru 8 high slots. Though i assume they are not commonly used in pvp, but more likely as salvagers :) So i would suggest giving them some more cargohold, and add a tier2 dessi more suitable for pvp.
I could imagine a cormorant2 missile boat. Only 6 highs (PG limited for 4 standard and 2 rocket launchers, but able to fit shield transporters fe) therefore 4/5 mids for better tank/ewar capabilities. And of course no bonus to dps, we have the standard cormi for that. Maybe something like shield res and missile flight time?
A tier2 catalyst could be like a drone dessi with a 5/2/4 setup and bonus to armor hp/drone bay.
Trasher2 could be fast, versatile ship with 6 highs for both, turrets and missiles. Bonus to speed/agility and tracking.
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murder one
Gallente Invincible Reason
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:45:00 -
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For Gallente: 5/8/6 armor tanking missile damp BS with damp strength bonus and missle damage bonus, 5x missile slots, 125mbit drone bandwidth, 175m3 drone bay.
Amarr:5/7/7 armor tanking drone ship with 125mbit bandwidth, 225m3 drone bay, TD bonus and laser damage bonus, 5x turret slots.
Minmatar: 8/5/7 8x turret slots, 8x missile slots, 125mbit drone bandwidth, 175m3 drone bay, missile ROF bonus, projectile ROF bonus.
Caldari: 8/6/6 8x turret slots, 10% tracking bonus to large hybrids per level, signature resolution bonus for large hybrids- 10% reduction in signature resolution for large hybrids per level: the anti-support BS.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.09.08 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: murder one For Gallente: 5/8/6 armor tanking missile damp BS with damp strength bonus and missle damage bonus, 5x missile slots, 125mbit drone bandwidth, 175m3 drone bay.
Amarr:5/7/7 armor tanking drone ship with 125mbit bandwidth, 225m3 drone bay, TD bonus and laser damage bonus, 5x turret slots.
Minmatar: 8/5/7 8x turret slots, 8x missile slots, 125mbit drone bandwidth, 175m3 drone bay, missile ROF bonus, projectile ROF bonus.
Caldari: 8/6/6 8x turret slots, 10% tracking bonus to large hybrids per level, signature resolution bonus for large hybrids- 10% reduction in signature resolution for large hybrids per level: the anti-support BS.
While the ideas are decent enough, let's face it there is too much that can go horridly wrong with these suggestions. Thanks to the classless system the game supports, the potential for min maxed setups of ridiculous quality can easily be generated. Just think, a Caldari Railship described above could slap on 8 425mm II's, 3 mag stabs, a few TE's and/or TC's, a MWD and so forth and still have slots left to fit a hell of a buffer tank. On the other side of the coin, they could fit Blasters, mag stabs, tackle gear and then get in close and just murder any other blaster ship out there.
Or the minmitar ship suggestion. With an ROF bonus and 8 slots they could field 8 torps, 3 BCU's, DC, possible grid/cpu upgrades in the lows and still fit MWD + point. Such a ship could easily wield a mighty 1500+ DPS out to at least 20km. Missiles are incredibly powerful on a slot per slot basis, thus the reason the Raven is gifted with a mere 6 launchers - it only takes 6 to be competative once you throw on that ROF bonus.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.09.08 06:08:00 -
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As a side note, when considering T2 PVP battleships you have to consider what the race NEEDS to be able to do.
Minmatar - Their BS Lineup is simply lacking in many respects. Their ships are generally flimsy, they are hampered by poor sensor strength and poor sensor stats in general and require enormous SP investment to make them marginally useful. Many of the problems simply stem from poor weapon systems and that is a seperate issue. What they really lack is a proper sniper battleship. The ships that can do the job simply don't do it nearly as well as other entries from ohter races.
Gallente - Their BS's rely mostly on hybrids and drones and they favor either close range combat or long range sniping. They simply lack a medium range ship in the most proper sense. While technically the Dominix fufills the mid range role it's done through the use of Drones. Missiles are a valid step to take but there is simply no precident for it in the Gallente Lineup - indeed giving them a missile ship implies Caldari should be given a drone ship. If they needed a new ship it would apply bonuses that favor medium range (24km - 100km) combat.
Amarr - Amarr battleships all ultimately fufil a gank role in PVP. They are generally fitted with beams for long range sniping or pulses for close range gank work. Their favored range can vary from extreme close (i.e. blaster + AM) to long range (160km +) so a pure combat ship is not necessary in the purest sense. However, given these ships are all supposed to be front line vessels, the T2 entry could simply represent a much more expensive and more powerful Abbaddon/Armageddon.
Caldari - The only race that really covers all the probable bases for PVP. We have a dedicated EWAR ship, a long range fleet ship and a jack of all trades missile ship. Both the Rokh and Raven excell in anti-support roles as a general rule, but the one thing caldari traditionally lack is the ability to tackle. Fitting the nich based support qualities of the race, it would seem that the best inclusion would be a ship that performs a tackle support function for the caldari lineup. Bonuses to disruptor range and painter effectiveness, combined with a smaller number of high slots (split like the Scorpion's) would effectively give Caldari a viable tackle support ship in the battleship class.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.09.08 07:08:00 -
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Bah... considering some of the BSs are either crap or redundant, they need to redesign those before designing new ones.
Unless it's a new Gallente drone boat of course... then, I say **** YAH!!!
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.08 08:22:00 -
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Well, more ships is always cool, but I don't think you could really get 4 new/interesting battleships in the game.
Of the choice between Tier IV and below Tier I, I think I would take the smaller ones. The tier 3 BSes already are about as big as possibile with the current 8 possible slots.
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Yon Krum
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.09.08 10:17:00 -
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Heh. I addressed just this issue of the "missing" tier2 EW battleships in another thread (too lazy to link it).
Still, it's enheartening to see that others are following the same logic, and while I'd *love* another Destroyer and/or BC hull, let's talk about battleships, and stay on topic.
Minmatar: Sniper ship-- TP effect and range bonus, large projectile falloff bonus and missile speed bonus. Give options for turrets or launchers, but not really both. TP, by the way, improves both damage and tracking, and range bonus for large proj is actually a damage bonus when you use "better" ammo.... Plus, torps need missile speed. Probably an armor-tanker.
Amarr: Large drone ship. Scaled-up Abritrator, with 6/6/6 slots and 4/4 turret/launcher. Otherwise, very straightforward. Unfortunately, black is for tech 2....
Gallente: A second drone carrier. Damping plus drone speed/damage in order to get out to the kind of drone control range it could have. Could also have a control range bonus, but I think that's what high slots are for....
Caldari: Harder... but possibly a short-range tackle/blaster boat with some drone capacity but not bonuses--enough for a full flight of heavies (finally). Armor-tanker would be different, but as strange for Caldari as missiles would be for Gallente. (At least every faction has *some* drones....)
More hulls is always grand!
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Lord Zoran
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.09.08 10:25:00 -
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in general i would like to see a few new ships not just battleships, been a while since we got some new models
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