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Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.09 06:54:00 - [31] So, my name is Joe Bloggs on account 1 and John Doe on account 2, my postal addresses are different too. Unless CCP make it a requirement to validate your address by post, it can't be proved that I own both accounts. Even that can be overcome by using a friends name/address who doesn't play Eve. At the very least, CCP could use the IP address to check but what if my friend who has his own account comes around to my house and plays on his laptop using my internet connection? Now, CCP will presume I own both accounts so it won't work either. Alts are one thing but different accounts are another. Most players scamming or spying on rival corps/alliances are using a different account to do it. That allows them to spy and still have the other account loaded so they can report their findings in real time, especially during a fleet op against the enemy. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken.
Doris Dents	Posted - 2008.09.09 07:07:00 - [32] How would a spy even get set up and recruited if you could instantly see who all his accounts/characters were? "Ok mate don't join our alliance ever or be afflitated in any way but go join these other dudes and report back" Seems bit of a catch 22, no? Guess a determined spy/scammer/trust abuser could asks to borrow his mom's credit card and you're back to square one. If the only way around that is CCP calling us up whenever we renew a la "Shattered Crystal" and other GTC sites then the cure is definitely worse than the disease tbh.
Sicil Fioet Minmatar	Posted - 2008.09.09 07:10:00 - [33] Players who shitpost will continue to do so because the desire to shitpost is irresistible. They will just troll with their mains, as many already do. Spies, corp thieves, and scammers will use a second account. They are after all groups of players rich enough to afford to buy GTCs with ISK. Many of them already use additional accounts for this. There are already successful banks and IPOs in EVE. Knowing that about a quarter of EVE players run more than 1 account I'd presonally recommend to not start handing your trust around after such a change. The end.
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.09.09 07:11:00 - [34] I would use alt spies with GTCs and false information.
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.09.09 08:04:00 - [35] As someone who does everything on his main without any alts or second accounts (and hates alts altogether) I have to admit it'd probably make little to no difference. Anyone really wanting to hide their identity still would find a way and in general people would adapt. ----------------- My EvE Comic
Carniflex Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.09.09 08:09:00 - [36] Yep. Would support that. Altho in case of one account it's already possible to chek background by asking API. No API no entry. All 0.0 entities I know of ask already API's in addition to interviews to get into corp.
Benco97 Gallente The Star League	Posted - 2008.09.09 08:12:00 - [37] Personally I don't like the idea, not because it impinges upon myself (not anymore at least) but because it closes OPTIONS and that's bad. We have the OPTION of lying and the choice to be good. It's a very special moment when you find yourself the only corpmember online and you've got access to the wallet and all the supplies... What do you do? Make a break for it and hide it? Do nothing because you're a good guy? It's an exciting choice and one that will be more difficult to make with these changes It's not much of an argument against it I know but the more choice in the game (For better OR for worse) the better. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
Lyn Quan Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.09.09 08:21:00 - [38] They will never do this. Can you imagine the horrible shitstorm that would happen when suddenly all alt characters of the DEVS are revealed? T20 would look quite pale in comparison.
Borar Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.09 08:44:00 - [39] I like the idea ,because : 1 i wanna know when you have a empire war, who`s the npc alt that probe me in jita with 900 in local . 2 and since it`s hot to say all empire carebears needs to move to 0.0,then i wanna know when those npc freithers bring all those alliance moon mins to jita.0.0 alliance are ofc the biggest carebears in empire 3 i wanna know of that trusty guy in my alliance have a alt in goons.Who is that TS spy?. 4 i wanna know all those alt corps that most alliance have in empire ,,again who`s`the biggest carebear in eve .
Zaarah	Posted - 2008.09.09 10:17:00 - [40] Edited by: Zaarah on 09/09/2008 10:18:58 1) I will have each of my family that has a different email address, credit card, and billing address sign up for an account. That gives me 9 accounts originating in about as many countries. 2) I know where many ISP proxies are hosted across the world. Its easy to set it up in browser options, therefore ensuring they all use the same on, or different ones, when signing up. 3) My ISP provides dynamic addresses, and several proxy farms. I can change how I connect and change the proxy/hosting country on all 9 accounts every hour of the day. Good Luck with linking my characters together.
Druadan Aristotle Enterprises Chances of Misfortune	Posted - 2008.09.09 10:33:00 - [41] I have a number of dodecatuple secret projects that I would not want revealed by a system like this. It would be useful for weeding out spies rich enough to use an account just for spying, though.
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.09 10:49:00 - [42] I don't think your idea is a good one at all. People who use alts to do anything you mentioned in your posts would just a find a way around the system. As for spies/metagaming, the stakes are too high in this game and somebody will always be doing it. How, possibly, could you ever explain a game mechanic that shows every single character that has ever been on your account(s). What possible connection could say, a brand new Matari alt born in my account's extra slots have ANYTHING to do with this character?? *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
gordon861 Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.09 10:51:00 - [43] You could encourage people to link their own accounts by giving them the ability to log in any toons from any of their accounts that they like, up to the number of accounts and do the same for training. So, if I have 2 accounts the system could then allow me to login any 2 of my 6 possible characters at the same time or train any of the 2 chars. This would probably encourage most people to link their accounts. You would have to require the billing addresses to match as well, inorder to stop an alliance/corp linking all their accounts and just sharing the login details. Originally by: CCP Arkanon I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donÆt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.09 11:24:00 - [44] I think the OP has a great idea. That way when I make people angry on the forums they can wardec the corps my characters are in and kill people who had nothing to do with what I'm posting. .
Terra Mikael The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:17:00 - [45] Edited by: Terra Mikael on 09/09/2008 12:20:50 Originally by: TYCONDEROGA I have nothing to hide Yeah. this is what I say to the police when I invite them in for random searches. what's that? you want to check my body cavities as well, officer? Sure! I have nothing to hide! Edit, one second thought, this is a great idea. If you coupled this with a way to war-dec NPC corps, it's the perfect griefing tool! I could follow the same person around forever, killing him wherever he went. he could never hide. It would be awesome and I'm John McCain and I approve this message.
Rhivre Caldari Carlsberg Intelligence Agency	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:28:00 - [46] Edited by: Rhivre on 09/09/2008 12:29:54 well, the people that need to know, know my alts. After bad experiences in other games, I kinda prefer, for example, my ex not being able to find out who my alt is. Eve has 1 server, I should not have to stop playing a game I enjoy because someone wishes to take RL stuff into a game. I am paranoid to a high degree about this issue, to the point of being suspicious of everyone who spends time chatting to me, then happens to mention at some point that they are from a particular (major city) in a particular country (I considered leaving a corp last night because there were just too many similarities, for example). Its bad enough, when by pure chance, someone from the same suburb of this city started working at my last workplace. Now, at this point, I am fairly confident my ex does not play eve, however, if my character details were fully available, I would reconsider playing the game. As mentioned at the start, when an alt of mine joins a corp, I provide details of my other char to the CEO, and have no problem dicussing general details of my alts with corp members (not usually names, as the corps I am in may be at polar opposites of the eve spectrum, and I see no need for the 2 to mix, but, if someone really wanted to know for a valid reason, I would tell them)
chiisai sakana	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:46:00 - [47] I'd say this is a quite pathetic attempt to make other follow stupid rules when you can't keep yourself from being scammed etc. And stupid people will always exist and those other people will always find a way to take advantage of them. The real world isn't perfect for everyone and eve will not be either.
Terra Mikael The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:49:00 - [48] Originally by: chiisai sakana I'd say this is a quite pathetic attempt to make other follow stupid rules when you can't keep yourself from being scammed etc. And stupid people will always exist and those other people will always find a way to take advantage of them. The real world isn't perfect for everyone and eve will not be either. This.
Hugo Splat Myrmidons	Posted - 2008.09.09 12:58:00 - [49] Originally by: TheG2 But theres no real difference to the real world. In the real world, I can create fake ID's, or even steal someones identity to commit fraud or scams. Its nothing like the real world Ever woken up and decided to play a female today? Yeah didnt think so
Spectre80 Caldari The Knights Templar Pure.	Posted - 2008.09.09 13:05:00 - [50] completely agree with op.
chiisai sakana	Posted - 2008.09.09 13:20:00 - [51] Ever woken up and decided to play a female today? Yeah didnt think so no but you can get a sex change, which will cost much.
Doctor Remulak	Posted - 2008.09.09 13:22:00 - [52] Sounds good to me. Or, better yet, just remove alts.
Cyb3r Thr3at Mnemonic Enterprises New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.09.09 13:37:00 - [53] I have no prob wit dat!
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.09 13:40:00 - [54] Originally by: Hugo Splat Originally by: TheG2 But theres no real difference to the real world. In the real world, I can create fake ID's, or even steal someones identity to commit fraud or scams. Its nothing like the real world Ever woken up and decided to play a female today? Yeah didnt think so I actually do know someone who wakes up each morning and decides to be a woman or man. Of course, I'm not sure if they have different units or if they are actually a woman or a man. Me and 'them' aren't that close. But yeah, they pass pretty well for a woman and a man. Strange person altogether. But it is possible to do in real life. All you need is a metro haircut and a new wardrobe Originally by: CCP Greyscale consciously deciding not to join a corp is pretty much deciding that you don't want to have fun
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.09.09 15:21:00 - [55] Originally by: Terra Mikael Edit, one second thought, this is a great idea. If you coupled this with a way to war-dec NPC corps, it's the perfect griefing tool! I could follow the same person around forever, killing him wherever he went. he could never hide. here's the main problem imo. Having alt spies in your corp and noob scouts run your camps may be annoying but no reason to nerf characters... CCP gave us 3 char slots for a reason. - Infectious -
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.09 19:52:00 - [56] Originally by: chiisai sakana I'd say this is a quite pathetic attempt to make other follow stupid rules when you can't keep yourself from being scammed etc. And stupid people will always exist and those other people will always find a way to take advantage of them. The real world isn't perfect for everyone and eve will not be either. Has nothing to do with this at all. Mostly it has to to with the trust required to build things like: working stock market a complicated banking and futures system player run insurance companies rental companies (rent a fleet battleship!) All of these would be very cool, but none of that works when identity is as malleable as it currently is. Identity in real life is also malleable, but not as much, and in life all these systems flourish. Clearly there's some point in the middle at which people would decide there's enough trust to make complicated monetary systems worth the risk to build. Preventing alt scouts, alt posting, and "easy mode" spies who don't actually have to play in their host alliance are mostly side benefits. I do think it would be cool to see spies who actually have to play in the enemy alliance and go on their fleet ops to get intel, rather than just putting an untrained alt in to read email. Hopefully a skills improvement in intelligence would let you bug the enemy communications nets and get the same benefit without the hacky workaround of a fake alt character. Many people are correct though that linking accounts even with credit card or shipping address might not be enough. I'm not quite sure what a better solution would be, or if it would be neccessary. All you need after all is MORE trust, not absolute trust. As I pointed out earlier, these systems work in the real world without absolute trust, but just more of it. I think it's plausable that requiring alt spies to be on a second credit card at a second address might be a high enough barrier to access to build trust needed for complicated banking to flourish. I for one, have always been dying to see a stock market in Eve. Dr Eyjo or whatever his name is (cant spell it) could give you a better lay out of exactly how much trust would be required, but I think it would be incredibly cool. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Somealt Ofmine	Posted - 2008.09.09 20:12:00 - [57] The ability to have multiple, anonymous "personas" is and always has been one of the big draws of MMOs. There isn't anything wrong with an alliance player, or an empire player for that matter, having a pirate alt and that being nobody's business but his. You're asking the game mechanics to do something for you that you ought to be doing yourself. Spies are caught in Eve the same way they are caught in the real world, by controlling information, systematic disinformation, and counter-intelligence. In simpler terms, to catch a spy you need a spy in his "real" alliance that is high enough up that he gets the intel, then you feed "tagged" intel out systematically until it comes back to your counter-spy. Then you know who your spy is. It's time consuming and difficult, but it's part of the game. As long as there are people in the game who are willing to lie to someone's face about their intentions, you have to be willing too, or you'll lose. That's the way it is in every MMO in the end game. You pretty much have to be willing to do whatever it takes, because if you aren't, someone else will be.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.09.09 20:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Synapse Archae 2. The end of alt-forum posting (yay) Oh goodie. Now everyone who expresses an opinion about game mechanics, CCP's decisions or even last night's hockey game can have their character threatened and/or attacked in-game for having the temerity to speak up. That should make the forums a nice open arena for discussing the game, eh? Far better that we all post with our account name or some permanent (non-character) forum name than that we be forced to subject our characters to the thuggery of those players who won't tolerate opinions that differ from their own. Obviously IC forums should (and do) require IC posting. The others should not, and do not.
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.09.09 21:43:00 - [59] God forbid you might actually have to take responsibility for what you say in a video game. I think it might lead to people actually thinking before they post. Net neutrality doesn't extend to fictional characters, guys. That's not an issue here. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Plim Gallente Oursulaert Technology Institute	Posted - 2008.09.09 21:47:00 - [60] This would be shite. I have two different accounts so that I can play two completely different personas and play styles. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."

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