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Aine Ni
Some Really Meaningless Name
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Posted - 2012.03.26 20:08:00 -
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Ok. This is my poor attempt to write what was talked about at the WH roundtable a few days back, and many beers ago.
POSes
- Personale tabs for hangars and arrays. To help with security, helping new members to join WH corps. This was say to be a VERY important issue. Which I could not agree with more - Why I offer a beer at next years Fanfest in return for it.
- New POS. Still very much in the planning.
- Refit T3 subsystems
- Repack and stack items in POS
- That is should be possible to kill towers in all WHs - even C1s.
- Better options to store caps
- Something needs to be done about abaddoned POSes
WHs
- Maybe higher classes
- New WHs between WH regions.
- Into more wilderness WHs - where you cant live and is more hostile
- Empty WHs
Sleepers
- More random triggers
- New sites in all classes for groups
- Better possible to use more types of ships
- "Maybe" New sleepers
- "Maybe" sleeper dreadnought
And more that I cant remember
The two experts is working out a plan. Nothing is set in stone at all. |
Just Lilly
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.26 23:57:00 -
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Good stuff CCP, much appreciated changes getting some attention,
And thank you Aine for posting the highlights, I missed out on the WH talk form fanfest.
Any chanse there's a youtube link where they address WH's specifically?
Cheers! |
Aine Ni
Some Really Meaningless Name
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:03:00 -
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Not likely - as I did not see any mic or camera :( |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:51:00 -
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Aine Ni wrote:Ok. This is my poor attempt to write what was talked about at the WH roundtable a few days back, and many beers ago.
POSes
- Personale tabs for hangars and arrays. To help with security, helping new members to join WH corps. This was say to be a VERY important issue. Which I could not agree with more - Why I offer a beer at next years Fanfest in return for it.
- New POS. Still very much in the planning.
- Refit T3 subsystems
- Repack and stack items in POS
- That is should be possible to kill towers in all WHs - even C1s.
- Better options to store caps
- Something needs to be done about abaddoned POSes
WHs
- Maybe higher classes
- New WHs between WH regions.
- Into more wilderness WHs - where you cant live and is more hostile
- Empty WHs
Sleepers
- More random triggers
- New sites in all classes for groups
- Better possible to use more types of ships
- "Maybe" New sleepers
- "Maybe" sleeper dreadnought
And more that I cant remember
The two experts is working out a plan. Nothing is set in stone at all.
v. cool. thanks, +1
Save the Miners! |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
53
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:53:00 -
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Aine Ni wrote:
POSes
- Personale tabs for hangars and arrays. To help with security, helping new members to join WH corps. This was say to be a VERY important issue. Which I could not agree with more
This. Please, make this happen. Omg, yes, yes and more yes.
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Mireidor
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:53:00 -
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I am offended at this thread and demand that the current CSM resigns over this matter, even though I have barely been inside wormholes and do not understand any of the things posted here. |
Masikari
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:55:00 -
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Some of the best news to come out of Fanfest for folks like me! Many thanks for this run-down! +1 |
ReiAnn
Nova-Tek
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:20:00 -
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Remember part of the wormhole experience is the difficulty with logistics. If you are able to do everything, then where is the challenge of living in the "wild frontier". Not saying that some improvements aren't needed, but it's not suppose to be high sec. |
MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
Persona Non Gratis
54
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:42:00 -
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Sleeper Dreadnaughts you say.
Me likey, me likey a lot 
"Fools! I'll show them all!"
What do you mean that one's already taken? |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
361
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:46:00 -
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Nice, looks good :)
Thanks for posting! |
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Enclave.
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:51:00 -
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-coming with inferno class 1-6 are all getting one new anomaly.
-They discussed adding scalability to sites, so that larger wh groups can benefit from their manpower. Bring more guys? site spawns more guys.
-The sleeper dreadnoughts were brought up in regards to cap escalations. CCP thinks whs are too easily cap escalated. and they want to change the escalations to be much harder, for the caps. They assured us that the escalation wouldn't alpha sub caps.
- there was also discussion on anomalies, and specifically no one likes black holes, they are looking into the anomalies and we may expect changes coming in the summer. |
Aine Ni
Some Really Meaningless Name
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:11:00 -
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-BMs
Alliance BMs
Drag-and-drop BMs to chat - \o/ |
JRF86
PILGRIMS
Insane Asylum
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:22:00 -
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Aine Ni wrote:-BMs
Alliance BMs
Drag-and-drop BMs to chat - \o/
Yes please. |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
96
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:40:00 -
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I would love to see personal tabs in both the corp hangar and SMA. This would actually make me consider recruiting people I haven't known for a long time.
Regarding offline POSes. Create a module that requires Hacking 5 and Archaeology (sp?) 5 with a cycle timer equal to the unanchoring time of the Control Tower or POS module in question if you move out of range, explode or cloak the unanchoring is aborted instantly. This way anyone can unanchor all the offline stuff, if they risk sitting there in the open for the full duration. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
636
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:06:00 -
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Aine Ni wrote:
- Refit T3 subsystems
ok. can somebody explain this to me why this is usefull? The purpose of a t3 is usually defined as soon rigs are fitted. E.g i allone have currently 3 t3s in my hangar to be able to fly three different fits. Swaping modules won't work for me.
any example for an usecase?
a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Comy 1
Ore Mongers
BricK sQuAD.
96
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:10:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:Aine Ni wrote:
- Refit T3 subsystems
ok. can somebody explain this to me why this is usefull? The purpose of a t3 is usually defined as soon rigs are fitted. E.g i allone have currently 3 t3s in my hangar to be able to fly three different fits. Swaping modules won't work for me. any example for an usecase?
Swapping propulsion and offensive subs is something a lot of people want to do, depending on where they are going to be active with their tengu. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1249
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:17:00 -
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Aine Ni wrote:
POSes
- Personale tabs for hangars and arrays. To help with security, helping new members to join WH corps. This was say to be a VERY important issue. Which I could not agree with more - Why I offer a beer at next years Fanfest in return for it.
- Repack and stack items in POS
WHs
- New WHs between WH regions.
Oh my my, oh hell yes. Who's the genius responsible for this and who do I need to send beer to? HAVE PAYPAL WILL SEND BEER
-Liang
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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1249
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:22:00 -
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Aine Ni wrote:
- New WHs between WH regions.
I initially misread that as WHs between K-Space regions. Like, a WH system that always points from Metropolis low sec to Molden Heath low sec. That would be ******* pimp. Like, seriously. Really.
-Liang
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lordjanuss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:26:00 -
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They also said they might only alow smaller pos in C1-C3 mybe only small in a C1 |
Klokvarg
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:40:00 -
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Aine Ni,
Thanks for taking the time to write this up. We appreciate it.
- Klok |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1249
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:42:00 -
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lordjanuss wrote:They also said they might only alow smaller pos in C1-C3 mybe only small in a C1
You can fit a full sized BS fleet into C2s and C3s. Its not so bad there... but C1s are indeed problematic.
-Liang
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Knug LiDi
N00bFleeT
Numquam Ambulare Solus
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:24:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:lordjanuss wrote:They also said they might only alow smaller pos in C1-C3 mybe only small in a C1 You can fit a full sized BS fleet into C2s and C3s. Its not so bad there... but C1s are indeed problematic. -Liang
Problematic for who ?
C1 WHs cannot support more than a half dozen pilots. There are insufficient resources. Any godsdamned corp that can field a dozen tier 3 BC or command ships can raze any C1 with a large tower.
There are not enough resources to support a significant number of personnel in a C1. If you kill the folks (remember no med clones) you will kill the POS. There is no ice and C1 haulers are limited to industrials - no orca, to freighters to haul fuel. WHs cannot repackage and cannot reprocess.
Yes, a fully stocked large POS is a badger down his hole, but he has very few teeth. If you come in numbers, we cannot win.
Yes, you cannot get caps or BSs to a C1 wh. but you can get numbers
If only we could fall into a woman's arms
without falling into her hands |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1249
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:27:00 -
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Knug LiDi wrote:
Problematic for who ?
C1 WHs cannot support more than a half dozen pilots. There are insufficient resources. Any godsdamned corp that can field a dozen tier 3 BC or command ships can raze any C1 with a large tower.
There are not enough resources to support a significant number of personnel in a C1. If you kill the folks (remember no med clones) you will kill the POS. There is no ice and C1 haulers are limited to industrials - no orca, to freighters to haul fuel. WHs cannot repackage and cannot reprocess.
Yes, a fully stocked large POS is a badger down his hole, but he has very few teeth. If you come in numbers, we cannot win.
Yes, you cannot get caps or BSs to a C1 wh. but you can get numbers
I live in J100808 and you are free to come raid my tower with a dozen tier 3 BCs. Its a C2, but the same principle's there. The WH opened in Aridia.
-Liang
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Aine Ni
Some Really Meaningless Name
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:37:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
Oh my my, oh hell yes. Who's the genius responsible for this and who do I need to send beer to? HAVE PAYPAL WILL SEND BEER
-Liang
Well - me.
Along with
- Drag-n-drop BM
- Personale tabs
- Repack and stack items in POS
- That is should be possible to kill towers in all WHs - even C1s.
- New WHs between WH regions.
- Empty WHs |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1249
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:39:00 -
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I think we've all suggested most of it. I was referring to the dev pushing it through. :)
-Liang
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Nemo deBlanc
Phoibe Enterprises
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:44:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Knug LiDi wrote:
Problematic for who ?
C1 WHs cannot support more than a half dozen pilots. There are insufficient resources. Any godsdamned corp that can field a dozen tier 3 BC or command ships can raze any C1 with a large tower.
There are not enough resources to support a significant number of personnel in a C1. If you kill the folks (remember no med clones) you will kill the POS. There is no ice and C1 haulers are limited to industrials - no orca, to freighters to haul fuel. WHs cannot repackage and cannot reprocess.
Yes, a fully stocked large POS is a badger down his hole, but he has very few teeth. If you come in numbers, we cannot win.
Yes, you cannot get caps or BSs to a C1 wh. but you can get numbers
I live in J100808 and you are free to come raid my tower with a dozen tier 3 BCs. Its a C2, but the same principle's there. The WH opened in Aridia. -Liang
C2 w/ static C2? Curious. Maybe I just haven't lived in wh's long enough to know why you'd want a C2 static. Or is it just to raid and pillage the every popular C2's?
Edit: Oh, and awesome changes all around. Make them happen CCP! |
Venirto Shadowblack
Unseen Nomads
Exiled Ones
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:48:00 -
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How about new nebulas for wh space? All wormhole systems looks ugly comparing to high and null sec. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1250
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:48:00 -
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Nemo deBlanc wrote:
C2 w/ static C2? Curious. Maybe I just haven't lived in wh's long enough to know why you'd want a C2 static. Or is it just to raid and pillage the every popular C2's?
Edit: Oh, and awesome changes all around. Make them happen CCP!
Most C2s have a static to low sec and another C2 - this forms something of a superhighway across Eve. Every night we scan out the low sec static and if it doesn't go anywhere nice we scan out the C2 and then its static. This usually gives us somewhere between 1-3 low sec exits to choose from.
C2s with high sec/C3 and null/C5 are the bane of my existence. :)
-Liang
Ed: If it isn't clear - Parsec Flux is a low sec pirate corp.
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Nemo deBlanc
Phoibe Enterprises
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:56:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:
Most C2s have a static to low sec and another C2 - this forms something of a superhighway across Eve. Every night we scan out the low sec static and if it doesn't go anywhere nice we scan out the C2 and then its static. This usually gives us somewhere between 1-3 low sec exits to choose from.
C2s with high sec/C3 and null/C5 are the bane of my existence. :)
-Liang
Ed: If it isn't clear - Parsec Flux is a low sec pirate corp.
Ahh, should have been obvious if I actually thought about it. I'm rather fond of those C2's w/ C3 and HS static.  C3 is awesome isk and constant nullsec wh's for exploration/pew, and the HS keeps a steady flow of people either trying to move stuff out to highsec from high class wh's, or trying to run sites. Lots of PvP opportunites.
Regardless, whspace= best space to me. Accommodating of so many different goals. Really glad to see that CCP is finally looking at iterating on what is essentially several year old content. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1251
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:03:00 -
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Nemo deBlanc wrote:Ahh, should have been obvious if I actually thought about it. I'm rather fond of those C2's w/ C3 and HS static. C3 is awesome isk and constant nullsec wh's for exploration/pew, and the HS keeps a steady flow of people either trying to move stuff out to highsec from high class wh's, or trying to run sites. Lots of PvP opportunites. Regardless, whspace= best space to me. Accommodating of so many different goals. Really glad to see that CCP is finally looking at iterating on what is essentially several year old content.
I dunno - I've been eyeing the C2 with null/C5 exits lately. The C5 WH is pretty awesome ISK if we form up to actually run them (fat chance, really) but the null sec exit will probably bring better pew pew than low sec does these days. Back before I was originally banned we lived in a C3->Low and had a good time most nights.... but low sec is just ******* dead outside of FW areas these days. Seems like we could accomplish a similar goal with the C1s->Nulls except that the nullbears wouldn't be able to bring their BS's in after us.
The other night I literally went 45 jumps in Kador/Sinq without seeing anyone else in local. Not even AFK docked/POS'ed people. The roam covered 80 jumps and saw 2 other faces in local. :S
-Liang
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