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shaqarava
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:52:00 -
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Here's one quick crappy link I found on google: http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=108&subsecID=900003&contentID=252517
World foreign aid in 2002 alone was 58 BILLION dollars. That's 14.5 LHC's. One costs around 4 billion over a 20 year period! You do the math, billions in aid in 2002, 6 years later and is the world better off than it was back then?
And what about priorities such as defense? Do you think that's money well spent? Spending billions on hypothetical conflicts? Your argument against the LHC applies to so many other areas that you have yet to address. You got something against scientists?
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
Why your list is upside down?
I don't see why should we rich countries care about poor countries and their problems? We have evolved from Africa as we moved to northen hemisphere and settled middle-east and eventually europe. We started making progress while people in these "poor" countries stayed in jungle and didn't evolve.
I say we should nuke or use other weapons to wipe out that human population to ensure thriving and surviving of our species. Going to Mars and Moon is one of the major steps in this plan.
Sorry if I don't share your point of humanitarian view of world. Mine is different than yours, just accept that.
For those whos going to flame and troll me - just think about it.
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shaqarava
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Flash Bombardo Dark matter my ass.
Their maths has a hole in it that they have to fill with invisible,indetectable matter ?
Sounds like bad maths to me.
2+2=5 therefore there is a dark number ? Wot ?
I'm gonna simplify it as much as possible
1+x=3
1=what we currently know about physics x=what we don't know, but for the answer to be 3 then it's obviously 2. In other words if the Standard Model is correct then there has to be a Higgs Boson. 3=the standard model
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar The problem here is money, not the LHC. If we get rid of money the issue is solved.
Yup..
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Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:02:00 -
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Well I'm not sying that EVERYONE MUST CONFORM TO MY OPINION, I'm just a surprised no-one aggrees with me.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 10/09/2008 10:03:32
Originally by: Liberator 1 Well I'm not sying that EVERYONE MUST CONFORM TO MY OPINION, I'm just a surprised no-one aggrees with me.
It's mostly because you're wrong .
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 10/09/2008 10:03:32
Originally by: Liberator 1 Well I'm not sying that EVERYONE MUST CONFORM TO MY OPINION, I'm just a surprised no-one aggrees with me.
It's mostly because you're wrong .
Pff, the original version of this post was better. It made me lol.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle Pff, the original version of this post was better. It made me lol.
Shhh, it'll be our little secret
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: shaqarava Here's one quick crappy link I found on google: http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=108&subsecID=900003&contentID=252517
World foreign aid in 2002 alone was 58 BILLION dollars.
And to think the money wasted on World Foreign Aid could have been used to research alternative fuels.
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Zaphod Jones
Minmatar Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:26:00 -
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how about the OP fornicates away to third world to help people dying from lack of water and feeds the starving rather than making inane drivel on a computer spaceships game forum.
whilst your in the third world helping them try not to die from all the wars
oh please do try not to
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 10/09/2008 10:30:45 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 10/09/2008 10:29:16
Originally by: shaqarava Not to mention in certain places corruption is rife, so even if we poured 4 billion into one country there's no guarantee all that money will make it to the starving, and instantly injecting money doesn't give instant results.
THIS!!!
All these handouts you all speak of, in many countries, do not actually make it to the people that really need it, thus those in control of said countries maintain control of their populace. This is a generalization and I do not agree with giving handouts to everyone to a point that it dissable a persons willingness to advance themselves, but it needs to be remembered that in many places that aid does not reach those for whom it was intended.
To the OP, there are organizations out there that are dedicated to what you are speaking of. Organizations that are dedicated to teaching individuals, who live in harsh places, the concepts of irrigation, farming, proper shelter building, typical school studies, and the list goes on. If you want to make a difference, go volunteer.
For friggan sakes you are sitting wherever on a forum for an Internet space ship game and you have the audacity to make a post about saving the world. First thing is you need to get off your butt and do something about it before you start trying to check others.
EDIT: If you have already started volunteering then I stand corrected, but stopping the progression of science just to try to save all humanity is somewhat counterproductive as pointed out by many posters above. Pointless science tends to lead to miraculous discoveries.
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
DesuSigs
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quickshot89
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:41:00 -
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@ OP
advance space travel may become real with experiments like the LHC, or ITER, humans like to blow stuff up, simple as
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annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
Wow, where to start about your complete wrongness here.
1) You'll NEVER be able to prevent a lack of water. Or dirty water for that fact. The cost alone of providing water to 'dry' areas would make the cost of the LHC seem like pocket money. 2) Same applies to 'feeding the starving'. It wont happen. It cant happen. From droughts to civil war the reasons for whole countries starving are to myriad to prevent or control. 3) TB et al CANNOT be cured. We dont have the medicines to do it. The most virilent forms of TB etc are immune to anti-biotics because we are getting immune to anti-biotics ourselves. Over use of AB's from cradle to grave, in animal feed etc means that the majority of AB's are not very effective for most people. 345) Why? What can we achieve there? We found when we went there that it is a dead, barren rock. We cant oxygenate the atmosphere, we cant grow crops there etc. Also, the cost of ONE mission to the moon would enable you to build 2 more LHC's. 567) While there are more scientific discoveries to be made on mars, it will be worthless until we find a way of getting there that doesnt take a year or more in space flight. A manned space flight to mars would cost the same as the GNP of of Africa. We are talking trillions here, not billions. 984) Most people might not care because most people dont understand the 'why' let alone the 'because'. However, for the field of physics to know the 'why' and then to understand the 'because' can lead to so many things of which cheap, affordable, clean energy will be the one that most means something to you. No more relience on OPEC for your fuel, no more relience on gas or coal. No more nuclear reactors with their poisonous waste. Couple something like that with the recent development of energy sent as radio waves and you have even the most isolated communities linked to the new energy.
Yeah yeah, im dreaming here, but I see this as the possibility to save mankind, not its destruction. And if it causes all of our deaths, well lets be honest, with global warming, pollution, starvation, greed etc, mankinds destruction is only a short time away anyway.
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Dan Glebitts
Blackhole Militia
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Posted - 2008.09.10 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
Why the LHC because it is the current flavour of the month. Your thread should read: Why war? How many trillions are spent on that? Why Cosmetics? Again how many billions spent? Why Coke or Mars bars?
Further mankinds understanding of the universe! = Bad scientist how dare you spend a tiny fraction of the money on this when we have wars to wage dressed in prada while supping coke and consuming big macs.
Nonsense thread of the week.
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Benilopax
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 11:59:00 -
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I'm going to bring in Prof. Stephen Hawking into this discussion.
"The LHC cost less than 1% of the GDP of the world for the last three years, and with it we will discover the secrets of a universe, sounds like a price worth paying"
He also said he wanted to throw an end of the world party but decided not to because people wouldn't realise it was a joke!
Stupid Humans.
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albert camus
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:09:00 -
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The lhc cost about 0.1% of the worlds output over the last 3 years, If it leads to us finding out about anything to do with our origins its cash well spent.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: albert camus The lhc cost about 0.1% of the worlds output over the last 3 years, If it leads to us finding out about anything to do with our origins its cash well spent.
*Looks at post above the quoted, looks again*
Holy shit it's Stephen Hawking himself!
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Benilopax
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle
Originally by: albert camus The lhc cost about 0.1% of the worlds output over the last 3 years, If it leads to us finding out about anything to do with our origins its cash well spent.
*Looks at post above the quoted, looks again*
Holy shit it's Stephen Hawking himself!
I thought the same thing! Hes everywhere!
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:22:00 -
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I'm going to laugh so hard if they DON'T find the Higg's Boson. __________________________
Quote: ...bored, skint, no charter, and a ship that looks like an explosion in a girder factory...
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Benilopax
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly I'm going to laugh so hard if they DON'T find the Higg's Boson.
If they don't, THEN it will be a waste of money. There will be comments in the control room such as: "Well I need to go rethink my life" or "If anyone needs me i'll be lying in the collider..."
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The TX
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:29:00 -
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This thread is getting out of hand in places.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:30:00 -
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Super Collider?! I just met her. LinkedIn
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 10/09/2008 12:37:19
Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/
To be fair the LHC costs nearly a quarter of the spending increase needed to reach all of the MDG's per year (+18b globally).
It's hard to see what, if any, pressing need the LHC meets.
Taking steps to reduce global poverty OTOH would make the world a safer place.
To be fair defence spending in particular areas looks like a far bigger waste of money at present time... although the way Russia are going maybe in a few years having a head start on bleeding their economy to death with another arms race will seem like a good thing.
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Benilopax
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Benilopax on 10/09/2008 12:40:59
Originally by: SoftRevolution
http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/
To be fair the LHC cost a quarter of the spending increase needed to reach all of the MDG's per year (+18b globally).
It's hard to see what, if any, pressing need the LHC meets.
Taking steps to reduce global poverty OTOH would make the world a safer place.
To be fair defence spending in particular areas looks like a far bigger waste of money at present time... although the way Russia are going maybe in a few years having a head start on bleeding their economy to death with another arms race will seem like a good thing.
Well the cooling system at the LHC is being copied at the fusion power plant in France if that works better quicker thanks to the cooling technology we will have the ultimate renewable energy source much sooner which will help the world surely?
Not to mention the possible tech achieved through anti-matter and particle deconstruction.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 10/09/2008 12:41:42 They have a working fusion power plant? That puts out more power than goes in?
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Benilopax
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution Edited by: SoftRevolution on 10/09/2008 12:41:42 They have a working fusion power plant? That puts out more power than goes in?
They are building one, with the LHC cooling system which should increase effeciency beyond what was expected.
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Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly I'm going to laugh so hard if they DON'T find the Higg's Boson.
If they DON'T find it, thats when things get interesting. If they do find it, bleh, no rewriting modern physics. _______
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Kyle Klanen
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:51:00 -
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Countless important scientific advances at CERN have led to practical tools that benefit mankind, sophisticated medical scanners and the internet are the most obvious ones.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista
Originally by: ReaperOfSly I'm going to laugh so hard if they DON'T find the Higg's Boson.
If they DON'T find it, thats when things get interesting. If they do find it, bleh, no rewriting modern physics.
Wrong. Just because they don't find it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. They'd have to rethink how they go about looking for it, probably having to completely retool the facility to do so. __________________________
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:51:00 -
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Unless I'm being dim, it appears Iter is another experimental project with no guarantee of actually achieving that objective. The timeline on their website which may or may not be hopelessly optimistic has work on the first commercial fusion power plant starting in 42 years time.
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