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Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.10 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
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Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.10 07:57:00 -
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And whilst I'm on the subject, I have some questions, will the LHC provide me with :
1. Flying cars? 2. Free sports channels ? 3. More money? 4. Better weather ? 5. Free intergalactic travel ? 4. Doughnuts?
No it f&(*^ing won't.
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Nyakk Tradetard
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Posted - 2008.09.10 07:58:00 -
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oh c'mon. without diseases, without hunger and death everywhere earth would be overpopulated in a short amount of time. we wouldnt have reasons to fight, we wouldnt have reasons to invent, we wouldnt have reasons to find other habitable planets.
i think the op is very shortminded and would need a proper thinkthrough
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.09.10 07:59:00 -
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The problem here is money, not the LHC. If we get rid of money the issue is solved.
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KappaRho
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar The problem here is money, not the LHC. If we get rid of money the issue is solved.
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The TX
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:20:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar The problem here is money, not the LHC. If we get rid of money the issue is solved.
It's be like Star Trek: First Contact - Picard tells us there's no money in the future!!!!!!!!!!!11111
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:21:00 -
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Getting rid of money would be counterproductive since it would remove the referencial for direct trading, as well as kill most jobs not producing anything material, and gouging would become the norm.
Now, about science, there's two kind of it:
- Fundamental science, with no direct application, just to increase your knownledge. The LHC is part of it.
- Applied science, the one that improve your life. But guess what? Without fundamental science, there is no applied science... ------------------------------------------
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shaqarava
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:24:00 -
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4 or so billion isn't actually alot of money when you consider the amount of nations taking part and the amount of money governments are spending elsewhere in their budget, such as defense. I read somwhere that the LHC costs around the same as the USS Ronald Reagan. If you want to complain about a waste of money then complain about that, why criticize the cost of the LHC when the US could cure world hunger with its defense budget?
And if you don't like how the work being done benefits science then think of the LHC as a giant piece of contemporary art, art being intrinsically useless in itself.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:26:00 -
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The LHC's manufacture was started 13 years ago.
Why didn't you whine then?
And whilst we're on the subject of the LHC being a waste of money, what the hell is professional sport.
"oh yeah we pay you like.. millions a year to just hoof about a ball. Not really doing anything.. but its cool. We seem to value you that much over what else we could be spending millions on."
The people dying from a lack of water are only dying because we refuse to let them learn to survive. We constantly power them with handouts so they never will learn to fend for themselves.
"These people have to walk THREE MILES to the nearest well."
Move your village to the damn well then?
If they die, well ****. Thats ****ing natural selection I think.
Feed the starving? Uh. Right okay, So they don't want to move to land where they can actually grow something so we should just keep giving them handouts too, yeah they're arent going to develop either, handouts for all!
There are Tribes in the most remote places of the earth that have learnt to survive for centuries, a testament to the use of survival instinct and basic common ****ing sense. They don't need handouts, in fact they "hide from the white man" just because they've got their shit dialled.
Disease controls population.
Curiosity drives the human race and therefore it'll put obscene amounts of money into finding answers, unfortunately it'll also put a lot of money into some incredibly pointless causes.
Since curiosity is more important than saving people too idle to help themselves, we built the LHC.
If the LHC somehow destroys the world and everything in it, the point of the human race is complete. To destroy itself and everything around it.
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Mutabae
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:29:00 -
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Personally, plumbing the depths of the Universe sounds pretty laudable to me.
Fact: there will always be starving people. Don't like science budgets? The LHC didn't cost *anything* in terms of it's reach. So shut up.
Ban warfare (lol) if you want to save cash.
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Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:32:00 -
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*Shakes fist at crazy people!
In the battle of good causes if its LHC vs Feeding the Starving, Feeding the Starving wins !
Geddit ?
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Shadow Company G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:33:00 -
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The problem with money is that you don't solve all sorts of issues by throwing money at it (you need small funds and TIME to find a solution and then perhaps that solution requires a lot of money), and in some cases where it needs money you don't have people willing to spend money on it.
In general that means that "Why are you spending money on this when there is still AIDS/Cancer?" statements are dumb and counter-productive. Some of our best solutions to important problems have been discovered as a side-effect from pursuing "silly" projects like the LHC, or going to the moon or discovering more effective ways of changing a persons status from "alive" to "dead". ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |

Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 08:34:55
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel The problem with money is that you don't solve all sorts of issues by throwing money at it (you need small funds and TIME to find a solution and then perhaps that solution requires a lot of money), and in some cases where it needs money you don't have people willing to spend money on it.
In general that means that "Why are you spending money on this when there is still AIDS/Cancer?" statements are dumb and counter-productive. Some of our best solutions to important problems have been discovered as a side-effect from pursuing "silly" projects like the LHC, or going to the moon or discovering more effective ways of changing a persons status from "alive" to "dead".
Name one. Directly.
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Sara Alexandra
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 08:34:55
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel The problem with money is that you don't solve all sorts of issues by throwing money at it (you need small funds and TIME to find a solution and then perhaps that solution requires a lot of money), and in some cases where it needs money you don't have people willing to spend money on it.
In general that means that "Why are you spending money on this when there is still AIDS/Cancer?" statements are dumb and counter-productive. Some of our best solutions to important problems have been discovered as a side-effect from pursuing "silly" projects like the LHC, or going to the moon or discovering more effective ways of changing a persons status from "alive" to "dead".
Name one. Directly.
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Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:39:00 -
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If you are talking about Velcro, Teflon or The Parker Pen Refill, then yes we got them from going to the moon, but if you think that stuff not sticking to your pan is important then you're just barking bloody mad!
It cost how much to go to the moon? And you got what for it ? Pens that write upside down?
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Benco97
Gallente The Star League
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:43:00 -
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You see, the problem is that items 1 and 2 will never be solved. You see all those people WHO DO NOTHING THEIR ENTIRE LIVES AND GET CONSTANTLY GIVEN STUFF BY US? Well it may seem like their lives suck to us but to them their lives are awesome, there is no incentive at all to better THEMSELVES while we give them everything they need.
We've been helping these places for years and years and years and they still need "just one tap to save them all" but guess what.. when that tap breaks they need another and another and another and another ad infinitum because there is no need for anything to be solved when they are handed everything.
I have no problem whatsoever with "Saving" people but I think it needs to be done in such a way as to advance them and make them self sufficient as quickly as possible instead of just giving them handouts for 80 years.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.

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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Shadow Company G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 10/09/2008 08:46:48
Originally by: Liberator 1 Name one. Directly.
Digital Image Processing. Originally developed by NASA to enhance photographs of the moon the technology has been used in many fields, particularly in medicine (Magnetic Resonance Imaging for example). Considering that every hospital with an MRI conducts at least several scans per day it has probably saved thousands (if not millions) of lives by now (saved cancer patients, given us vital insight into diseases like Alzheimers etc).
P.S: And no. NASA did not invent Velcro or Teflon. Teflon for example was invented in 1938. However they moved those products out of a life in obscurity and into the limelight) ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn. |

shaqarava
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:45:00 -
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Not to mention in certain places corruption is rife, so even if we poured 4 billion into one country there's no guarantee all that money will make it to the starving, and instantly injecting money doesn't give instant results.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:50:00 -
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how come the OP gas a computer to post on, sending that money to africa would have been a better use surely?
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Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:53:00 -
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And transistors was 1925.
My point is that its silly spending money on crazy science toys when people are dying and that problem is entirely solvable.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.10 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 And transistors was 1925.
My point is that its silly spending money on crazy science toys when people are dying and that problem is entirely solvable.
Why is death a bad thing?
You think saving everyone is the ideal thing to do? If the people in Ethiopia (for example) didnt die by the minute, they'd breed like rabbits, overpopulate and consume a lot of resources.
Overpopulation is a surefire end of the world scenario. A lot of people don't realise that the amount of shit we currently use is in the balance as it is, let alone adding another hundred million people to it.
The best thing we can do in that respect is, quite simply.. let them die for the good of the developed world.
And before you get up my ass saying "Well you clearly think your life is worth more than theirs" ...
Yes. Yes I do. 100%.
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shaqarava
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 And transistors was 1925.
My point is that its silly spending money on crazy science toys when people are dying and that problem is entirely solvable.
The point of virtually all the posters here is that no matter how hard you try you cannot completely cure hunger and poverty etc, and that virtually all technology begins from theoretical science which is why the LHC is money well spent and crucial to advancing civilization.
And why are you picking on the LHC, 4 billion is not alot of money, complain about defense budgets or corruption, or the cost of sports entertainment.
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Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle If the people in Ethiopia (for example) didnt die by the minute, they'd breed like rabbits, overpopulate and consume a lot of resources.
Oh, well thats Ok then.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: shaqarava
Originally by: Liberator 1 And transistors was 1925.
My point is that its silly spending money on crazy science toys when people are dying and that problem is entirely solvable.
The point of virtually all the posters here is that no matter how hard you try you cannot completely cure hunger and poverty etc, and that virtually all technology begins from theoretical science which is why the LHC is money well spent and crucial to advancing civilization.
And why are you picking on the LHC, 4 billion is not alot of money, complain about defense budgets or corruption, or the cost of sports entertainment.
Or what came with capitalism, greed.
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Benco97
Gallente The Star League
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1
Originally by: Reven Cordelle If the people in Ethiopia (for example) didnt die by the minute, they'd breed like rabbits, overpopulate and consume a lot of resources.
Oh, well thats Ok then.
So then what is your solution, a new dark age for the good of mankind?
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.

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shaqarava
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:27:00 -
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I'm also curious as to where the OP draws the line. Say we cure world hunger, what about raising standards of living, giving money to people they they can afford common necessities of life, like a tv, a gas cooker, a computer, winter heating, a bed, enough money to buy nice food and not just the bare essentials. Where do you draw the line?
There's always going to be something that can be improved upon, if we focused on the quality of human life all the time and not focus on advancing our knowledge then we'd get no where. Investments in science, however, have created methods to solve problems such as world hunger, like Gm crops, whilst advancing human civilization in other areas. It's not about just focusing on one thing all the time, it's about balancing it all.
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Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:35:00 -
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I'll tell you exactly where I draw the line.
Big problems require big solutions, from the government of countries. Once you eliminate water and food poverty, a country can maybe begin to stand on its feet and take its place in the world, freeing it from dependance on charity from other nations.
I re-iterate my point: If a govt wants to do things with lots of money, there are priorities above chasing around after some hypothetical "God particle".
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Myrhial Arkenath on 10/09/2008 09:38:44
Quote: Everyday examples of particle accelerators are those found in television sets and X-ray generators. Low-energy accelerators such as cathode ray tubes and X-ray generators use a single pair of electrodes with a DC voltage of a few thousand volts between them. In an X-ray generator, the target itself is one of the electrodes. A low-energy particle accelerator called an ion implanter is used in the manufacture of integrated circuits.
From Wikipedia. Asuming you have had a TV or computer before the LCD screen age, you've used one, which makes it pretty hypocrit to say this research is useless :\
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 10/09/2008 09:41:29 Besides people like the above moaner, do not understand how science works.
If people a century ago focused only on what was back then, considered useful areas of science, then we would have no computers, no TV and our overall life expectancy would be much shorter.
The people that really make progress are those that give us further understanding how the universe works.
Searching for the Higgs Boson might not sound useful at first, but what if it furthers our understanding and one day might lead to new sources of energy or the understanding of dark matter, might lead to further understanding of gravity. Maybe even give us the ability to create gravity or anti-gravity fields.
Or it might not. We will never know before we tried.
Edit: Oh and Governments are full of Idiots. Governments trying to improve scientific research, usually achieve the opposite effect. There are countless examples in history about this.
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Flash Bombardo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:42:00 -
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Dark matter my ass.
Their maths has a hole in it that they have to fill with invisible,indetectable matter ?
Sounds like bad maths to me.
2+2=5 therefore there is a dark number ? Wot ?
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shaqarava
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:52:00 -
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Here's one quick crappy link I found on google: http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=108&subsecID=900003&contentID=252517
World foreign aid in 2002 alone was 58 BILLION dollars. That's 14.5 LHC's. One costs around 4 billion over a 20 year period! You do the math, billions in aid in 2002, 6 years later and is the world better off than it was back then?
And what about priorities such as defense? Do you think that's money well spent? Spending billions on hypothetical conflicts? Your argument against the LHC applies to so many other areas that you have yet to address. You got something against scientists?
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.09.10 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
Why your list is upside down?
I don't see why should we rich countries care about poor countries and their problems? We have evolved from Africa as we moved to northen hemisphere and settled middle-east and eventually europe. We started making progress while people in these "poor" countries stayed in jungle and didn't evolve.
I say we should nuke or use other weapons to wipe out that human population to ensure thriving and surviving of our species. Going to Mars and Moon is one of the major steps in this plan.
Sorry if I don't share your point of humanitarian view of world. Mine is different than yours, just accept that.
For those whos going to flame and troll me - just think about it.
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shaqarava
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Flash Bombardo Dark matter my ass.
Their maths has a hole in it that they have to fill with invisible,indetectable matter ?
Sounds like bad maths to me.
2+2=5 therefore there is a dark number ? Wot ?
I'm gonna simplify it as much as possible
1+x=3
1=what we currently know about physics x=what we don't know, but for the answer to be 3 then it's obviously 2. In other words if the Standard Model is correct then there has to be a Higgs Boson. 3=the standard model
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Evanade
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar The problem here is money, not the LHC. If we get rid of money the issue is solved.
Yup..
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"This planet has - or rather had - a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy." --------------------------- sok alt - main got banzored |

Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:02:00 -
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Well I'm not sying that EVERYONE MUST CONFORM TO MY OPINION, I'm just a surprised no-one aggrees with me.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 10/09/2008 10:03:32
Originally by: Liberator 1 Well I'm not sying that EVERYONE MUST CONFORM TO MY OPINION, I'm just a surprised no-one aggrees with me.
It's mostly because you're wrong .
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Edited by: Nyphur on 10/09/2008 10:03:32
Originally by: Liberator 1 Well I'm not sying that EVERYONE MUST CONFORM TO MY OPINION, I'm just a surprised no-one aggrees with me.
It's mostly because you're wrong .
Pff, the original version of this post was better. It made me lol.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle Pff, the original version of this post was better. It made me lol.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: shaqarava Here's one quick crappy link I found on google: http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ci.cfm?knlgAreaID=108&subsecID=900003&contentID=252517
World foreign aid in 2002 alone was 58 BILLION dollars.
And to think the money wasted on World Foreign Aid could have been used to research alternative fuels.
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Zaphod Jones
Minmatar Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:26:00 -
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how about the OP fornicates away to third world to help people dying from lack of water and feeds the starving rather than making inane drivel on a computer spaceships game forum.
whilst your in the third world helping them try not to die from all the wars
oh please do try not to

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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 10/09/2008 10:30:45 Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 10/09/2008 10:29:16
Originally by: shaqarava Not to mention in certain places corruption is rife, so even if we poured 4 billion into one country there's no guarantee all that money will make it to the starving, and instantly injecting money doesn't give instant results.
THIS!!!
All these handouts you all speak of, in many countries, do not actually make it to the people that really need it, thus those in control of said countries maintain control of their populace. This is a generalization and I do not agree with giving handouts to everyone to a point that it dissable a persons willingness to advance themselves, but it needs to be remembered that in many places that aid does not reach those for whom it was intended.
To the OP, there are organizations out there that are dedicated to what you are speaking of. Organizations that are dedicated to teaching individuals, who live in harsh places, the concepts of irrigation, farming, proper shelter building, typical school studies, and the list goes on. If you want to make a difference, go volunteer.
For friggan sakes you are sitting wherever on a forum for an Internet space ship game and you have the audacity to make a post about saving the world. First thing is you need to get off your butt and do something about it before you start trying to check others.
EDIT: If you have already started volunteering then I stand corrected, but stopping the progression of science just to try to save all humanity is somewhat counterproductive as pointed out by many posters above. Pointless science tends to lead to miraculous discoveries.
Slade
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quickshot89
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:41:00 -
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@ OP
advance space travel may become real with experiments like the LHC, or ITER, humans like to blow stuff up, simple as
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annoing
Amarr MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.10 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
Wow, where to start about your complete wrongness here.
1) You'll NEVER be able to prevent a lack of water. Or dirty water for that fact. The cost alone of providing water to 'dry' areas would make the cost of the LHC seem like pocket money. 2) Same applies to 'feeding the starving'. It wont happen. It cant happen. From droughts to civil war the reasons for whole countries starving are to myriad to prevent or control. 3) TB et al CANNOT be cured. We dont have the medicines to do it. The most virilent forms of TB etc are immune to anti-biotics because we are getting immune to anti-biotics ourselves. Over use of AB's from cradle to grave, in animal feed etc means that the majority of AB's are not very effective for most people. 345) Why? What can we achieve there? We found when we went there that it is a dead, barren rock. We cant oxygenate the atmosphere, we cant grow crops there etc. Also, the cost of ONE mission to the moon would enable you to build 2 more LHC's. 567) While there are more scientific discoveries to be made on mars, it will be worthless until we find a way of getting there that doesnt take a year or more in space flight. A manned space flight to mars would cost the same as the GNP of of Africa. We are talking trillions here, not billions. 984) Most people might not care because most people dont understand the 'why' let alone the 'because'. However, for the field of physics to know the 'why' and then to understand the 'because' can lead to so many things of which cheap, affordable, clean energy will be the one that most means something to you. No more relience on OPEC for your fuel, no more relience on gas or coal. No more nuclear reactors with their poisonous waste. Couple something like that with the recent development of energy sent as radio waves and you have even the most isolated communities linked to the new energy.
Yeah yeah, im dreaming here, but I see this as the possibility to save mankind, not its destruction. And if it causes all of our deaths, well lets be honest, with global warming, pollution, starvation, greed etc, mankinds destruction is only a short time away anyway.
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Dan Glebitts
Blackhole Militia
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Posted - 2008.09.10 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
Why the LHC because it is the current flavour of the month. Your thread should read: Why war? How many trillions are spent on that? Why Cosmetics? Again how many billions spent? Why Coke or Mars bars?
Further mankinds understanding of the universe! = Bad scientist how dare you spend a tiny fraction of the money on this when we have wars to wage dressed in prada while supping coke and consuming big macs.
Nonsense thread of the week.
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Benilopax
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 11:59:00 -
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I'm going to bring in Prof. Stephen Hawking into this discussion.
"The LHC cost less than 1% of the GDP of the world for the last three years, and with it we will discover the secrets of a universe, sounds like a price worth paying"
He also said he wanted to throw an end of the world party but decided not to because people wouldn't realise it was a joke! 
Stupid Humans.
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albert camus
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:09:00 -
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The lhc cost about 0.1% of the worlds output over the last 3 years, If it leads to us finding out about anything to do with our origins its cash well spent.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: albert camus The lhc cost about 0.1% of the worlds output over the last 3 years, If it leads to us finding out about anything to do with our origins its cash well spent.
*Looks at post above the quoted, looks again*
Holy shit it's Stephen Hawking himself!
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Benilopax
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle
Originally by: albert camus The lhc cost about 0.1% of the worlds output over the last 3 years, If it leads to us finding out about anything to do with our origins its cash well spent.
*Looks at post above the quoted, looks again*
Holy shit it's Stephen Hawking himself!
I thought the same thing! Hes everywhere!
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:22:00 -
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I'm going to laugh so hard if they DON'T find the Higg's Boson.  __________________________
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Benilopax
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly I'm going to laugh so hard if they DON'T find the Higg's Boson. 
If they don't, THEN it will be a waste of money. There will be comments in the control room such as: "Well I need to go rethink my life" or "If anyone needs me i'll be lying in the collider..."
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The TX
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:29:00 -
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This thread is getting out of hand in places.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:30:00 -
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Super Collider?! I just met her. LinkedIn
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 10/09/2008 12:37:19
Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/
To be fair the LHC costs nearly a quarter of the spending increase needed to reach all of the MDG's per year (+18b globally).
It's hard to see what, if any, pressing need the LHC meets.
Taking steps to reduce global poverty OTOH would make the world a safer place.
To be fair defence spending in particular areas looks like a far bigger waste of money at present time... although the way Russia are going maybe in a few years having a head start on bleeding their economy to death with another arms race will seem like a good thing.
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Benilopax
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Benilopax on 10/09/2008 12:40:59
Originally by: SoftRevolution
http://www.un.org/millenniumgoals/
To be fair the LHC cost a quarter of the spending increase needed to reach all of the MDG's per year (+18b globally).
It's hard to see what, if any, pressing need the LHC meets.
Taking steps to reduce global poverty OTOH would make the world a safer place.
To be fair defence spending in particular areas looks like a far bigger waste of money at present time... although the way Russia are going maybe in a few years having a head start on bleeding their economy to death with another arms race will seem like a good thing.
Well the cooling system at the LHC is being copied at the fusion power plant in France if that works better quicker thanks to the cooling technology we will have the ultimate renewable energy source much sooner which will help the world surely?
Not to mention the possible tech achieved through anti-matter and particle deconstruction.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 10/09/2008 12:41:42 They have a working fusion power plant? That puts out more power than goes in?
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Benilopax
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution Edited by: SoftRevolution on 10/09/2008 12:41:42 They have a working fusion power plant? That puts out more power than goes in?
They are building one, with the LHC cooling system which should increase effeciency beyond what was expected.
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Great Artista
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: ReaperOfSly I'm going to laugh so hard if they DON'T find the Higg's Boson. 

If they DON'T find it, thats when things get interesting. If they do find it, bleh, no rewriting modern physics.  _______
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Kyle Klanen
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:51:00 -
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Countless important scientific advances at CERN have led to practical tools that benefit mankind, sophisticated medical scanners and the internet are the most obvious ones.
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ReaperOfSly
Gallente Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Great Artista
Originally by: ReaperOfSly I'm going to laugh so hard if they DON'T find the Higg's Boson. 

If they DON'T find it, thats when things get interesting. If they do find it, bleh, no rewriting modern physics. 
Wrong. Just because they don't find it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. They'd have to rethink how they go about looking for it, probably having to completely retool the facility to do so. __________________________
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:51:00 -
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Unless I'm being dim, it appears Iter is another experimental project with no guarantee of actually achieving that objective. The timeline on their website which may or may not be hopelessly optimistic has work on the first commercial fusion power plant starting in 42 years time.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:55:00 -
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some of the worst off people in the world cant be helped. their government wont let us in with food and if we give money the warlords just buy guns and missiles.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.10 12:58:00 -
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In many cases it is perfectly possible to attach conditions to aid.
http://www.imf.org/external/np/exr/facts/prsp.htm
This works more than it doesn't.
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Benilopax
Gallente Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.10 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution Unless I'm being dim, it appears Iter is another experimental project with no guarantee of actually achieving that objective. The timeline on their website which may or may not be hopelessly optimistic has work on the first commercial fusion power plant starting in 42 years time.
Yeah without any BREAKTHROUGHS thats the plodding along prediction.
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nyakk Tradetard oh c'mon. without diseases, without hunger and death everywhere earth would be overpopulated in a short amount of time. we wouldnt have reasons to fight, we wouldnt have reasons to invent, we wouldnt have reasons to find other habitable planets.
i think the op is very shortminded and would need a proper thinkthrough
The earth is already overpopulated, ~5x the amount our planet can handle. Not to sound callous but i call for WW3
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 13:38:00 -
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Let's not forget that that we'd not have the internet as we know it were it not for CERN.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.09.10 13:50:00 -
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Actually i am really hoping this experiment goes well, not because of the tiny black hole that will suck us all into it and make your last moments go on for thousands and thousands of years BUT! due to the wonderfull new conclusions and theorys that will push our physics and conception of the world and universe years and years foward.
This could be the start of a new age. :-) _____________________________________
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Sharupak
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.10 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
I certainly agree that those things are far more important, but no amount of money will solve those problems, only a mass human behavioral change can do that. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude. |

Karentaki
Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.09.10 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 And transistors was 1925.
My point is that its silly spending money on crazy science toys when people are dying and that problem is entirely solvable.
Right yeah, lets go out and give them herbal remedies and possibly some magic potions. After all, no money can be spent on developing our technology can it? SILLY experiments like the LHC are responsible for many of the things which are currently stopping people from dying. Now, please cancel your EVE subscription, and instead donate that money to starving children...
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.10 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak
Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
I certainly agree that those things are far more important, but no amount of money will solve those problems, only a mass human behavioral change can do that.
too true ________________________ I'M POOR
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.09.10 15:04:00 -
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Quote: some of the worst off people in the world cant be helped. their government wont let us in with food and if we give money the warlords just buy guns and missiles.
Interesting accessment of things, now let me put another perspective in the table,
One country owes alot of money to the rest of the world, yet the rest of the world can't collect because their economies are also dependant on that country.
The rest of the world pays the said country for their luxuries wich are spoiled in God knows what, and a fair chunk of the rest of the world faces serious hunger and health problems wich are ignored by both the first portion and the owner country.
While we argue who's fault it is people are dying , some due to the stupidity of governments, others due to circumstances they cannot control and yet others due to hunger and disease.
Some may say that this project can kill us all and its a waste of money, to the first assumption i only say, if we all have to go, well bye mom!, to the second i believe science and knowledge is never wasted money, what is a waste is people dying because some idiot wanted to play wargames vs some lunatic in some God forsaken desert and now people are dying, food prices are up etc etc and so on.
Conclusion, consider yourselves lucky and blessed you can post on some internet spaceships forums and have a roof over your heads, food on your table and can walk the streets without having a soldier or a fighter waving a machine gun next to your heads.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.09.10 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Micheal Dietrich on 10/09/2008 15:09:20 The whinage in this thread hits you for a wrecking blow of 34746.15
You are ejected from this thread.
oh damn.....
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rValdez5987
Amarr 32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
You seem to have forgotten about natural selection. It is not my job to feed someone who is too stupid to feed themselves. It is not my job to take care of someone who does not contribute to society in any way shape or form from a country that has no real government.
It is the responsibility of a nation to care for its OWN people, not the responsibility of the rest of the world.
Even with the starvation and death we are still quickly becoming overpopulated.
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.09.10 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon
The earth is already overpopulated, ~5x the amount our planet can handle. Not to sound callous but i call for WW3
Either that or a good old fashioned, roman-style culling.
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Arzinoe
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Posted - 2008.09.10 15:38:00 -
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we need a new kind of disease for control the world hyperpoblation and maybe more ppl trying to destroy the world
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Karentaki
Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.09.10 15:40:00 -
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This thread needs more: LHC THEME SONG!!!
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.10 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 10/09/2008 15:55:02
Originally by: Reven Cordelle
Originally by: kor anon
The earth is already overpopulated, ~5x the amount our planet can handle. Not to sound callous but i call for WW3
Either that or a good old fashioned, roman-style culling.
Yes.
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: kor anon on 10/09/2008 16:30:59 Another solution is enforcing a worldwide population control. Only the best 10% of human stock are allowed to breed. Of course his would have to be enforced over several decades to bring the world population to acceptable levels
^ holy shit that second link is hilarious
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Sharupak
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.10 16:36:00 -
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Ok, what makes you so sure you guys would be chosen over being wiped off the map? It wont work that way, because the people that "run" the culling or disease launching or war are going to make sure they and their buddies and their children no matter how ******ed, exist at the end of the day.
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Callib Gor'Karrithe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.10 16:38:00 -
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Perhaps the OP just has something against science and the pursuit of knowledge in general.
You see and hear this kind of tripe from people who simply do NOT understand a particular issue. This is most common when the issue being shouted out against is one of an extreme technical and scientific matter. Some people need to accept that, when they don't fully understand something, they should probably not talk about how that something is a waste of money.
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak Ok, what makes you so sure you guys would be chosen over being wiped off the map? It wont work that way, because the people that "run" the culling or disease launching or war are going to make sure they and their buddies and their children no matter how ******ed, exist at the end of the day.
I am 90% certain that i would die, but i care more about the species than myself. By instigating a WW as i suggested, no one would control it. I dont mean like WW's of the past but a true World War were every single country/city/village is embroiled in warfare. Remember what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.09.10 17:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pwett on 10/09/2008 17:13:23 To the op:
All your early points can be solved by eating the poor.
Originally by: kor anon
The earth is already overpopulated, ~5x the amount our planet can handle. Not to sound callous but i call for WW3
Yeah, it's really gonna suck when the other planets embargo their food goods to us; we're all gonna starve.
 If we're here, the world can support us - that's really all there is. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett Edited by: Pwett on 10/09/2008 17:13:23 To the op:
All your early points can be solved by eating the poor.
Originally by: kor anon
The earth is already overpopulated, ~5x the amount our planet can handle. Not to sound callous but i call for WW3
Yeah, it's really gonna suck when the other planets embargo their food goods to us; we're all gonna starve.
 If we're here, the world can support us - that's really all there is.
Oversimplified tosh. Yes we are here but the natural resources are running the **** out. by 'handling' I and more intelligent people know this means sustainability. At our current population level the earth cannot sustain us indefinately.
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Thorliaron
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.10 17:51:00 -
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why am i still alive? thought we where all supposed to be dead by now.
love how all the doomsday people have latched on to this with both hands and the same with all the planet x/ myan calander people.
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Captain Hudson
Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.09.10 17:56:00 -
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Hawkings said the LHC cant destroy the world, dunno why but i trust this bloke more than the nutters that are saying it will
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Sharupak
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.10 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon
Originally by: Sharupak Ok, what makes you so sure you guys would be chosen over being wiped off the map? It wont work that way, because the people that "run" the culling or disease launching or war are going to make sure they and their buddies and their children no matter how ******ed, exist at the end of the day.
I am 90% certain that i would die, but i care more about the species than myself. By instigating a WW as i suggested, no one would control it. I dont mean like WW's of the past but a true World War were every single country/city/village is embroiled in warfare. Remember what doesn't kill us only makes us stronger
Do you not think your contribution to the human collective consciousness is valuable?
TBH, there is no way using up resources will ensure extinction so dont worry about it. Resources running out will pretty much do what WW3 would do so sit tight, its gonna work out for you. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude. |

SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak Ok, what makes you so sure you guys would be chosen over being wiped off the map? It wont work that way, because the people that "run" the culling or disease launching or war are going to make sure they and their buddies and their children no matter how ******ed, exist at the end of the day.
That was pretty much my point.
Social darwinist types who think the world operates as any kind of meritocracy are deluded.
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:03:00 -
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Not for me to decide atm im nowhere close to the top 10%, if i prove myself to be worth it then so be it, if not too bad. I can say that although I would love my bloodline to continue, if it is not up to scratch it should be discarded. You may think this grim, but i find it quite comforting in the knowledge that my species will go on without the chaff.
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Truk Mei
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:03:00 -
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The Tempur-Pedic Mattress ....
Science is the shit.
Let them starve. Darfur Who ??? ... Sudan what ???
Lets cure the ****ing hangover first, then we'll talk about saving shit ....
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Nigel Sheldon
Caldari ADAMA Corps Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:06:00 -
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can't be assed to read all of the thread, but I get the point....this will acomplish nothing.
WRONG!
As a by product of this already we have the internet! and a future project coming from this is something I forget the name, that will make the internet look like pen and paper!
For god sakes 5 billion is nothing, the us military spend that before breakfast! And if it leads to a cure for cancer with the better imagery I am sure you won't be moaning then....go jump of a bridge you imbecilles.
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Sharupak
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon Not for me to decide atm im nowhere close to the top 10%, if i prove myself to be worth it then so be it, if not too bad. I can say that although I would love my bloodline to continue, if it is not up to scratch it should be discarded. You may think this grim, but i find it quite comforting in the knowledge that my species will go on without the chaff.
Not grim only partially true. You can only determine strongest survival traits of the ones that came before us because we have already been there and we know how it turns out in the present. NOBODY knows what the strong survival traits that carry the human species into the future. This is because while evolution is a fact, our actual understanding of possibilities, environment predictions, and also predicting methods human beings discover to survive and prosper in the future are so so very minute and extremely linear in scope. The Human species is a very dynamic and erratic thing.
Now all that being said, if its something like you dont think you are smart enough to be in the top 10% of humans? depends on what you are smart at. TBH, WW3, I am positive would wipe every single soul of our intellectual community right off the ****ing map. There goes the IQ crowd. Many extrememly intelligent people only thrive because of the technological tools developed by someone before them. Thats cool though because tools are part of our evolution and they use them to help advance the rest of us regardless of how capable we actually are. The point is that it is evolution! Evolution is the essence of creatures deciding! Evolution follows what a species decided to do in their environment. Fish didnt develop feet from fins before they set foot on land, they developed them after! Having a big ****, being faster, jumping higher, and being more physically capable to kick someones ass with you fists evolved us to this point, but will likely be the factors that spell our ruin.
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon
Oversimplified tosh. Yes we are here but the natural resources are running the **** out. by 'handling' I and more intelligent people know this means sustainability. At our current population level the earth cannot sustain us indefinately.
I hope you and your more 'intelligent' people will learn how to spell one day.
Anyway, the limits of the world's sustainability is limited by the ingenuity of man, not the limits of raw resources. Try getting that through your skull. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett
Originally by: kor anon
Oversimplified tosh. Yes we are here but the natural resources are running the **** out. by 'handling' I and more intelligent people know this means sustainability. At our current population level the earth cannot sustain us indefinately.
I hope you and your more 'intelligent' people will learn how to spell one day.
Anyway, the limits of the world's sustainability is limited by the ingenuity of man, not the limits of raw resources. Try getting that through your skull.
hehe the old spelling insult the last refuge of someone with no arguement. Im sorry but i personally dont care enough to spellcheck my posts after i write it
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Pwett on 10/09/2008 18:46:02 No, friend. The Ad Hominem argument is the first argument of those without a leg to stand on.
I have an argument, friend. Read my post, but do yourself a favor: don't attack someone unless you want the same in return. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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The0
Minmatar Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:49:00 -
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I'd rather money go to the LHC than feeding some poor starving kid. Survival of the fittest and all that malarky.
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Rejit Arjs
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Posted - 2008.09.10 18:56:00 -
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OP you really have no freaking idea what you are talking about. This experiment is beyond your whining habits while you browse eve-o forums. First of all who are you that create a list of what is importnat and what is not? But ill tag along so lets take YOUR list.
Quote: 1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc.
1. You say people die from lack of water, tell me OP what are you doing to not waste water? Name me directly the things you do.
2. Tell me what you do with the food you dont want? Do you trash it or do you give it to the poor people of your city?
3. And this is an example that you dont have an idea of what your talking about. First of all LHC experiment and its results has direct effects on medicine science. And besides there are already people that doing experiments and are trying to find cures for diseases...
You put LHC on 894 by saying that people dont care and have no idea of how it works. Tell me OP do you know the physics behind your computer? No, but you use it. Do you how television works? No, but you use it. Do you even know how we ended up creating those things? No, but you use them. See where i am going?
LHC might also lead on new forms of energy. Tell me if oil, coal and other resources that are limited, disappear tomorrow what are you gonna do? You wont have elecricity, people in hospitals will start dieing, no electricity means no drinkable water at homes. No oil means no more cars, no planes, nothing. People wont be able to go anywhere. Resources on their location will wear out quickly they will start to fight for them. Do i need to say more?
LHC has effects on other sciences too, including computer science. For example results from there might lead on faster computers.
I didnt see you make a post about how invseting in military equipment is a waste of money... someone might also say that you, playing on your computer, is a waste of energy. You can go read a book or go out for a walk. But you dont, you dont care, you just want to play games, or post crap on forums.
Science is not a waste of money ignorant fool. Please go crawl back in your hole.
P.S. Long post but your small brain needs it.
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Rejit Arjs
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:00:00 -
[96]
Quote: ...is limited by the ingenuity of man,...
LHC is not man's ingenuity?...
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Amastat
Caldari Poseidon Laboratories
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:15:00 -
[97]
My response to the OP, the same response that I give all the other whiny, over analyzing, selfish, bleeding-heart extremists who make this same exact whine.
It's their money to spend.
What do YOU spend your money on? This is a question that I ask the OP and every other participant in this thread. When was the last time you spent an entire years salary to feed the starving/suffering on the Earth abroad.
I mean - this is like someone being ****ed off at a brother-in-law because he got a new sports car, so you get ****ed, jealous, /RUN_TANTRUM and tell him he should of spent his money on something more practical.
Practice what you preach before loading up onto the wahhh-train. 
It's also, at this day and age, nearly impossible to eliminate these problems as it is - these small few issues, which are just a peice of the bigger issue. The societies of this world have to change drastically in order for eradication of these issues to be a possible concept, but society must first learn, and eventually grow up, before then.
Don't get me wrong. As far as we know, the laws of the universe, it is impossible to achieve 100% efficiency, perfection; but, we can try to get close to it. Wither we know it, or don't want to admit it, we are becoming a better race with every passing day - but we must always make sure we don't stop, or backtrack, and prevent suicidal/insane peoples and groups from trying to halt or destroy all of our work.
Point being - a scientists role is to further our understanding and capabilities, which therefore improves society. It's their field, their profession, their purpose, their determination - no one has any right to tell them what to do with their time. For all you know their findings would pave the way for the invention of warp-drive so we can finally colonize other planets and eradicate our overpopulation issues that lead to half of the problems people are freaking out over.
If there are those who are still discontent about the effort made to confront the issues of famine, disease, and death, go take a years salary to the red cross to ease your pain, or GTFO of OOPE forums.  ____________________
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Arvald
Caldari Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:23:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Liberator 1 I'll tell you exactly where I draw the line.
Big problems require big solutions, from the government of countries. Once you eliminate water and food poverty, a country can maybe begin to stand on its feet and take its place in the world, freeing it from dependance on charity from other nations.
I re-iterate my point: If a govt wants to do things with lots of money, there are priorities above chasing around after some hypothetical "God particle".
the point were trying to make here is that you do not eliminate starvation by giving everyone handouts, you only postpone it. If the people in these starving countrys are not taught how to grow food and such for themselves then giving them food isnt going to do anything as the one time we dont get it to them, they are going to...guess what...STARVE. so pouting a crapload of money into the situation does nothing therefor your point is fubar
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:32:00 -
[99]
Liberator, your view of humanity's priorities is very wrong in my view. Going back to the moon and going to Mars should be one of our highest priorities in my view. Because It's who we are.
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Zalathar
Minmatar Stellar Research Incorporated DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.09.10 19:42:00 -
[100]
war on iraq: between 600 billion and 2 trillion, people agrue Cancer reaserch: around 5 billion per year total spent on beijing olympics: about 23 billion a large house on antibes: 1 billion Nimitz class aircraft carrier: 4.5 billion each Cost of an F22: 138 million per plane Space shuttle launch: 450 million PER LAUNCH
cost of buolding the biggest machine humanity has ever built, and one of history's greatest scientific collaborations. A machine allowing us to understand how the universe works, and how it was created, doeing its part to lift us form the pit of ignorance of religion. A machine that could allow us to understand space time and mass, and possibly modify it for ftl travel. A machine that has the potential to fuel particle physics for many years to come. A machine that could lead to a plethora of side discoveries. not really that much... ~~~~~~ *mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!"* ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge you soo pretty  I think you're stunningly handsome and let me just say that you're wearing that dead parrot on your shoulder in a particularly dashing way today. -Hango Your using up all the space hango! - Timmeh |

Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.09.10 20:04:00 -
[101]
Threads like this make me fear for the human races survival, the greatest discoveries are made by researching science for the sake of pure science. --
Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
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Valan
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.09.10 20:09:00 -
[102]
There is no waste of money like feeding people who are still going to be starving in a hundred years time. All you do is perpetuate suffering.
If the land can't support life it'll move elsewhere and flourish or reach a level where it can survive. All people are doing is allowing a starving race to produce more starving people. It's an exponential curve of suffering. It's cruel to inflict suffering upon people just to make yourself feel better becuase you did soemthing charitable and gave them a bowl full of grain.
Now science on the other hand may allow these people to produce food on a barren landscape. Or this case produce a cheap energy source for producing a stable environment for food growth. Thats why we should spend money or science it moves the human race forward instead of languishing in its present state.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.09.10 20:15:00 -
[103]
How much is that whole LHC experience actually?
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Something Random
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.10 21:41:00 -
[104]
With all the money thats achievable by man there is no reason we cant have the best of both worlds. Investigation into science to extend our knowledge and increase output AND investment into third world type poverty and lack of resource. It just takes a leap in the way we work, for ourselves, and for our kind.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.09.10 21:47:00 -
[105]
they could have built a space ship, or a sex robot. But instead they built a gigantic circular tube.
Good job CERN.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.10 22:11:00 -
[106]
1. Money creates poverty. It can never solve it. Think about it.
2. The Higgs Boson will not be found because the standard model is wrong.
3. Any black hole (such a stupid term) created would evaporate before it can expand.
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2008.09.10 23:04:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Avon Any black hole (such a stupid term) created would evaporate before it can expand.
...according to theory. At the same time it is said by the particle freaks, well, it could be possible that we do not find the higgs boson, but that's also a big scientific progress, because then we know that some or some parts of our fundamental theories are wrong, maybe we discover unknown phenomena, maybe we discover that other theories are wrong like the theory that mini black holes will evaporate ... oops ...
One cannot "prove" the safety of an experiment with a theory being aware that this experiment could falsify the theory.
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.09.10 23:09:00 -
[108]
If it isn't new war fighting technology it is a waste of money. We have to prepare for the aliens that are going to come through the gate that this waste of money somehow created when some dude dropped coffee on a control panel.
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Buff Plankchest
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.11 00:17:00 -
[109]
the OP is just ****ed off that he doesn't get to play with a multi billion $ atom smasher 
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Blafam
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Posted - 2008.09.11 00:32:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Liberator 1 And whilst I'm on the subject, I have some questions, will the LHC provide me with :
1. Flying cars? Possibly 2. Free sports channels ?No 3. More money?No 4. Better weather ? Possibly 5. Free intergalactic travel ?Possibly 4. Doughnuts?No
No it. f&(*^ing won't
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Lyn Quan
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.11 06:25:00 -
[111]
What a shitty arguement OP. According to your logic it was either a, solve world hunger OR b, build the LHC , and all the scientists went "Screw hunger let's build a big ring". Newsflash: World is not black and white, now stfu.
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Verx Interis
Amarr Aurora Security Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.09.11 06:49:00 -
[112]
The LHC is less than 10% of the worlds GDP. If that kind of money could solve those problems, they would be solved by now.
If 10% of our GDP is enough to solve the problems on our planet and they still exist then we deserve the LHC to make a black hole or whatever to kill us.
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Ogul
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.11 07:25:00 -
[113]
Capital idea.
Let's restrict all research to immediately useful applications.
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.11 08:05:00 -
[114]
Stupid Ethical Questions
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Dzajic
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.09.11 09:24:00 -
[115]
1. Developed countries are already (as has been posted earlier in this thread, and can be found by googling) spending quite a lot of money on help for undeveloped world. Sadly a huge amount of that cash ends up in pockets of local dictators and western "consultants" and "advisers".
2. Fusion. Afaik, energy break even point has been reached by several different experiments, it is the economic break even point that is unreachable for now. Fission is very easy from engineering standpoint, have some uranium, bring it together, it starts releasing energy and heat, use some moderator to stop if from melting and blowing up. For fusion you need extreme high temperatures and pressures, those involve using state of the art supercooled superconductors to generate magnetic fields, etc... Incredibly more difficult technically than controlled fission.
3. Mars. If someone returned NASA to '60es level efficiency instead of pork barreling and feeding Boeing and LokMar money as its today... you could have a manned Mars mission for less than 100B$. No one ever seriously implied trillions. There was the 1989. Bush Sr. Space Exploration Initiative that had program with 30 years of space flight, moon base, mars flight, large Freedom space station and a ton of other stuff for a total price of 450B$ for the entire 30 year long endeavor.
Stupid media inflated that to "500B$ for a single Mars flight", and now we are at "trillions for a Mars mission" levels of ignorance.
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.09.11 10:55:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Rejit Arjs OP you really have no freaking idea what you are talking about. This experiment is beyond your whining habits while you browse eve-o forums. First of all who are you that create a list of what is importnat and what is not? But ill tag along so lets take YOUR list.
Quote: 1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc.
1. You say people die from lack of water, tell me OP what are you doing to not waste water? Name me directly the things you do.
2. Tell me what you do with the food you dont want? Do you trash it or do you give it to the poor people of your city?
3. And this is an example that you dont have an idea of what your talking about. First of all LHC experiment and its results has direct effects on medicine science. And besides there are already people that doing experiments and are trying to find cures for diseases...
You put LHC on 894 by saying that people dont care and have no idea of how it works. Tell me OP do you know the physics behind your computer? No, but you use it. Do you how television works? No, but you use it. Do you even know how we ended up creating those things? No, but you use them. See where i am going?
LHC might also lead on new forms of energy. Tell me if oil, coal and other resources that are limited, disappear tomorrow what are you gonna do? You wont have elecricity, people in hospitals will start dieing, no electricity means no drinkable water at homes. No oil means no more cars, no planes, nothing. People wont be able to go anywhere. Resources on their location will wear out quickly they will start to fight for them. Do i need to say more?
LHC has effects on other sciences too, including computer science. For example results from there might lead on faster computers.
I didnt see you make a post about how invseting in military equipment is a waste of money... someone might also say that you, playing on your computer, is a waste of energy. You can go read a book or go out for a walk. But you dont, you dont care, you just want to play games, or post crap on forums.
Science is not a waste of money ignorant fool. Please go crawl back in your hole.
P.S. Long post but your small brain needs it.
I just would like to add that as soon as we have "control" ( do we actually control anything? ) over new forms of energy then thats the point were some real revolutions will start. ( and hopefully mankind actually starts to get on the right track again... )
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.09.11 11:05:00 -
[117]
1. Science is one avenue which may provide solutions to the problems highlighted by the OP.
2. No-one who pays $X a month for Internet Spaceships had a right to comment on this topic anyway.
How did this thread get this long? -
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.09.11 11:10:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Crumplecorn 1. Science is one avenue which may provide solutions to the problems highlighted by the OP.
2. No-one who pays $X a month for Internet Spaceships had a right to comment on this topic anyway.
How did this thread get this long?
Right or wrong everyone has the right to coment thats why we advocate the right of free speech in modern society. : ) _____________________________________
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.09.11 11:10:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Crumplecorn 1. Science is one avenue which may provide solutions to the problems highlighted by the OP.
2. No-one who pays $X a month for Internet Spaceships had a right to comment on this topic anyway.
How did this thread get this long?
I dunno but poor Mitnal is probably tearing his hair off.
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Lily Sarman
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Posted - 2008.09.11 11:27:00 -
[120]
The large hadron collider isn't a waste of time and money. Science is important and you can hardly expect us to return to the dark ages just because their are people living in poverty.
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Gabrialle
Amarr Sunspot Requisitions Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2008.09.11 12:34:00 -
[121]
I love this topic i havent laughed so much since the last time i read the sheriff jones eve shop thread.
1st off i think the op has abandoned tis thread and crawled back under whatever bridge he came from.
2nd i can only echo what post of you brilliant brilliant people have posted, op your a nonce s*d off.
3rd i saw a few ideas regarding population control, larry nivens ringworld books had the right idea IMHO. The idea for those of you who havent read these books s that people who are exceptional gain breeding rights intelligence, immunity to desease, physical characteristics etc all play a part, the better you are the more kids you can have. Also theres a 'birthright lottery' allowing the possibility to breed inherently lucky humans.
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CynoCyno1
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Posted - 2008.09.11 13:16:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Kuolematon
Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
Why your list is upside down?
I don't see why should we rich countries care about poor countries and their problems? We have evolved from Africa as we moved to northen hemisphere and settled middle-east and eventually europe. We started making progress while people in these "poor" countries stayed in jungle and didn't evolve.
I say we should nuke or use other weapons to wipe out that human population to ensure thriving and surviving of our species. Going to Mars and Moon is one of the major steps in this plan.
Sorry if I don't share your point of humanitarian view of world. Mine is different than yours, just accept that.
For those whos going to flame and troll me - just think about it.
I have to agree we should wipe out 3rd world places make way for progress not help the weak! They had there chance to envole & they never so destory them we should, that way we can use the money to improve our selfs.
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CynoCyno1
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Posted - 2008.09.11 13:21:00 -
[123]
Anyone want to join me in the fight to destory the 3rd world ? There goin to die anyways sooner or later why bother to feed them so there kids kids die ? They are a dien race & must be wiped out IMO.
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.09.11 14:33:00 -
[124]
Back in the Victorian Era more people were worried about cholera than 8" brass refractors, yet rich men still financed them. Reason is, owners of capital can do with their money as they please and if some are more interested in fundamental science than social welfare, that is their prerogative.
There are too many people for the resource base to support anyway. IRL roids do not respawn. People forget that.
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Philologus Indolus
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Posted - 2008.09.11 15:06:00 -
[125]
Here is how I see it. It is pure science. That is, knowledge for the sake of knowledge.
How do you think all of the things that we take for granted came about? The majority of them came about by tinkering. Essentially, that is all the LHC is doing (except on a subatomic scale).
Did you know that the steam engine was invented over 1500 years BEFORE the Industrial Revolution? Do you think Hero of Alexandria was thinking when he whipped it up "Gee, this thing can power a whole bevy of interesting things! In fact, this could free up a lot of manpower for other things!" No. It was a 'scientific toy'. 1500 years later, this guy named Thomas Newcomen came about and turned it into just that (thus beginning that little thing called the Industrial Revolution).
Just because something does not immediately spit out Wunderwidgets does not mean it is useless. To say so is shortsighted, ignorant and the attitude has contributed a great deal to the situation we are in today.
Just think... what POSSIBLE use could screwing around with pea plants be? Well... basically the experiments of Mendel with his pea plants has guided us into such diversified fields as medicine (lets get the heart medication into you early because you have a genetic heart defect), agriculture (this wheat can survive even the worst drought...) to animal husbandry (Lets only breed the cows who produce the most milk... or the best meat). Do you think Mendel saw how his discoveries would be used?
I will not even venture to guess how the LHC's discoveries will be used. The scientists have said that the entire field of physics could be turned on its head. And guess what folks... that could very well lead to things as varied as true space travel, inexhaustable energy sources and a bevy of other things.
So by all means, hold back the progress of humanity.
And just as a side note... a new energy source will basically solve nearly all of mankinds problems. That is a very real possible outcome of the work at the LHC.
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Mithendadon Dodonas
Amarr Ratio Decidendi Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.09.11 15:07:00 -
[126]
^^^ Thats me. Stupid alt post...
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Kikki Di'je
Lay Low
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Posted - 2008.09.11 15:50:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
Go hug a tree, stop paying for EVE and your internet connection, move to a third world country, give them all your money and help them out yourself. Until you do that, why should anyone sit here and listen to you spew the fact that you have zero (0) understanding of science, scientific research, or it's applications?
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.11 17:59:00 -
[128]
You know, someone probably said the same thing about studying microwave radiation, but nowadays no one questions whether microwave ovens were worth the money spent researching the physics they utilize.
What if the LHC's research, ten years from now, leads to a revolutionary technology that allows us to produce food much cheaper? Or control the weather? Or neutralize explosives across a huge area of land? Radar started out the same way, you know.
Just because you don't know the immediate benefits of something doesn't mean it won't lead to huge benefits down the road. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |

Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.09.11 19:13:00 -
[129]
I will sell my soul for a machine in my kitchen that can brew a pot of coffee in 5 seconds! _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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slip66
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.11 19:51:00 -
[130]
If we concentrated on only helping the starving people of the world they we would still be stuck with 1920s tech.
Going to the moon was pointless cause we did it just to beat the Russians.... but ALL of that really great stuff you take for granted every single day came from all the R&D needed to get to the moon.
We might not see anything come of this in the short term but in the long term if will help science.
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Lord Migit
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Posted - 2008.09.11 20:12:00 -
[131]
Edited by: Lord Migit on 11/09/2008 20:12:23 The LHC got me and the rest of the UK and most of europe better internet so eve is more playable so we all benafit, and this is the best bit, FOR FREE! :D
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.09.12 06:01:00 -
[132]
Originally by: kor anon .. Not to sound callous but i call for WW3
Indeed. Look what kind of boost in science and other areas did WW1 and WW2 bring not to mention work and space for those who will survice WW3.
And I'm pretty sure that nuclear weapons aren't gonna be widely used because whats the point of concuring land if you gonna nuke it before and then get barren wasteland to .. rule? 
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Flash Bombardo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.12 10:20:00 -
[133]
Originally by: slip66 If we concentrated on only helping the starving people of the world they we would still be stuck with 1920s tech.
What a lot of tosh.
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Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.12 10:22:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Dionisius
Quote:
Conclusion, consider yourselves lucky and blessed you can post on some internet spaceships forums and have a roof over your heads, food on your table and can walk the streets without having a soldier or a fighter waving a machine gun next to your heads.
Damn straight.
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Liberator 1
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.09.12 10:27:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Glassback Super Collider?! I just met her.
Yeah, look how large her hadrons are !
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Iva Biggun
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Posted - 2008.09.12 11:59:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Kikki Di'je
Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
Go hug a tree, stop paying for EVE and your internet connection, move to a third world country, give them all your money and help them out yourself. Until you do that, why should anyone sit here and listen to you spew the fact that you have zero (0) understanding of science, scientific research, or it's applications?
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Rosa Rosette
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Posted - 2008.09.12 12:26:00 -
[137]
for those who like to waste money check this:
http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
cool webcam of the LHC!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.09.12 12:29:00 -
[138]
Lelouch vi Britannia commands you, fire the Large Hadron Cannon now !

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SHOPS || Mission rewards revamp || better nanofix
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CynoCyno1
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Posted - 2008.09.12 15:21:00 -
[139]
Originally by: slip66 If we concentrated on only helping the starving people of the world they we would still be stuck with 1920s tech.
Going to the moon was pointless cause we did it just to beat the Russians.... but ALL of that really great stuff you take for granted every single day came from all the R&D needed to get to the moon.
We might not see anything come of this in the short term but in the long term if will help science.
You do realise we have never been to the moon yes?
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.09.12 15:23:00 -
[140]
Shining One, is that you? _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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EliteSlave
Minmatar M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.09.12 15:37:00 -
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Well here's my thoughts..
if the LHC can shed light into Mass and also show us a promising energy force that is clean and thus we can implement and lower greenhouse emissions we can then focus on feeding the hungry, work on the diseases, get water to the people.
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Yoshimako
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Posted - 2008.09.12 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
TBH, if these people stop shitting in their own drinking water and try moving nearer to the water sources (aww 10 mile round trip) that would sort number 1.
Why help people that cant help themselves with the simplest things?
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.09.12 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
We are doomed, not because it will make a black hole and destroy the Earth, but because we are too stupid to save ourselves.
I love people like this. If they dont understand how something works they think its a waste of time and money and then use some tired warcry like "we should use the money to feed the starving masses", pathetic. How many people say the same thing about the space programs and yet without them we wouldnt have any of the everyday items OR EVEN THE COMPUTER YOUR USING TO COMPLAIN ON. You dont know what the super collider will be able to give us 5, 10, 15 years from now but because of your short sightedness you would perfer it that any advantage gained from the collider remain undiscovered. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
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Feilamya
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.12 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 stuff
At least it will save us from viagra spam for the next couple of years, as they will need tons of the stuff at CERN
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Rialtor
Amarr Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2008.09.12 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 And transistors was 1925.
My point is that its silly spending money on crazy science toys when people are dying and that problem is entirely solvable.
You don't fix Africa by throwing money at it. You throw money at something and you create corruption. Africa can only be solved by Africans themselves without the meddling of other nations. Before this massive African aid effort African was better off. It produced surpluses of food for example. After the aid effort, more corrupt governments were installed, and currently only 1 African nation has a food surplus.
So the solutions to these problems are exactly the opposite of what you're talking about. You don't fix Africa by hiring babysitters, you fix Africa by letting them grow up at their own pace without creating a beggar mentality in its people.
Silly spending like the LHC leads to silly scientists having jobs. It leads to silly discoveries like how the world functions. Newton discovered something silly about the world as well, something about forces and how they behave in the natural world. But that didn't lead to anything either did it?
As far as space exploration is concerned it's more a priority than you think. Unlike some people starving in the world that wouldn't lead to global extinction. A Big asteroid, or our Poles Shifting would.
But anyway we don't live in a unitasking world. There's no list that says we can't do item 1002, before we handle item 1, not that I agreed with your concept.
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Feilamya
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.12 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rialtor You don't fix Africa by throwing money at it. You throw money at something and you create corruption. Africa can only be solved by Africans themselves
If the Africans fix their problems themselves, then we are doomed, because one of their biggest problems is us.
That's why we throw money at them, Sherlock.
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Rialtor
Amarr Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2008.09.12 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: Rialtor You don't fix Africa by throwing money at it. You throw money at something and you create corruption. Africa can only be solved by Africans themselves
If the Africans fix their problems themselves, then we are doomed, because one of their biggest problems is us.
That's why we throw money at them, Sherlock.
That post went right over my head. I don't get your response. I notice those are valid english sentences but I'm not getting any meaning out of it.
Why are we doomed if Africa fixes itself? Are you saying that we want Africa to be doomed so we throw money at it. So the intent of the money is to doom africa?
I'm missing something something in your logic.
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Arvald
Caldari Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.09.12 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: Rialtor You don't fix Africa by throwing money at it. You throw money at something and you create corruption. Africa can only be solved by Africans themselves
If the Africans fix their problems themselves, then we are doomed, because one of their biggest problems is us.
That's why we throw money at them, Sherlock.
then good thing we have the ability to carpet bomb them in such a way that they wont even see it as the bombs are droping..........hey i think i just found a solution to the starving people in africa 
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2008.09.12 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 *Shakes fist at crazy people!
In the battle of good causes if its LHC vs Feeding the Starving, Feeding the Starving wins !
Geddit ?
There are many reasons why the starved remain starved, while huge quantities of food are thrown away in the more advanced countries.
It has nothing to do with humanitarian feelings or mindset. It has to do with money. Sorry to burst your bubble that claims that humans are humane. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it. |

kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: Rialtor You don't fix Africa by throwing money at it. You throw money at something and you create corruption. Africa can only be solved by Africans themselves
If the Africans fix their problems themselves, then we are doomed, because one of their biggest problems is us.
That's why we throw money at them, Sherlock.
then good thing we have the ability to carpet bomb them in such a way that they wont even see it as the bombs are droping..........hey i think i just found a solution to the starving people in africa 
hehe, the strange thing is that killing people can solve everything. And since we are so good at it its a wonder we have some many problems today
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Tarek Tarazul
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Posted - 2008.09.12 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tarek Tarazul on 12/09/2008 18:45:55 It already got posted some time before, but i will repost the
LHC-Rap(The only Rap-Song i really like)
and LHC in 3 Minutes
3 billion is peanuts to almost any other budgets of western nations, and in this case many participate(d), and as was already posted several times, (so I will cut it short) particle accelerators, and the technology developed for building and using them, already had quite an impact on our new applied science.
The fact that you can play eve is one of them... uh though it's not exactly science. But anyway:
Originally by: Shadowsword
Without fundamental science, there is no applied science...
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:20:00 -
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Just in case you're worried about the possibility of the LHC destroying the earth. //// ---------=== []= ---------=== \\\\ Rifter(RedBad)
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Niko medes
Gallente Dark Dominion
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Posted - 2008.09.12 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Alz Shado Just in case you're worried about the possibility of the LHC destroying the earth.
You win my friend.
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mamolian
Madhatters Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.12 22:16:00 -
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LHC Webcam
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.09.12 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian LHC Webcam

Oh thats too good  -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase:
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2008.09.13 21:59:00 -
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LOL!
I need new glasses.
That or I'm becoming dyslexic ...
I won't say what I thought the title of this thread was referring to ...

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Captain Fandango
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Posted - 2008.09.28 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 *Shakes fist at crazy people!
In the battle of good causes if its LHC vs Feeding the Starving, Feeding the Starving wins !
Geddit ?
the mistake you're making is in presuming that 'good causes' are what people are intrested in. Truth is people are intrinsicly self centred and selfish. now, before you have a hissy fit, i dont see anything wrong in this; its the way we are conditioned, and all animals are the same. Why should we care about the starving people? sure it sounds harsh, but what actual benifit does it give us? other than stopping us feeling guilty? the infliction of fake-morales prevalent throughout this thread are far, far more laughable than the 'waste' of mnoney used in creating a particle projecter. and why shouldnt they? shouldnt people be free to spend their money however they liked? you certainly do, after all, you play eve.
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Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.09.28 14:05:00 -
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If we understand Mass better we might be able to make energy cheaply: E=MC^2.
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Eran Laude
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.09.28 14:08:00 -
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The best aid we can give the Third World is education and political support. We see the West bribing other nations with food aid, and China bribing them with development projects. However, what really matters to these nations is the ability to use their own expertise to slowly develop on their own. The UN's 2000 development pledge could have been cut down to a few very, very basic lines, i.e. :
We, the UN, pledge to give every child in the world a first-class education so as to raise the quality of living in the LEDW.
Aside from that, the only things we should be giving them are tools and tips on how to grow crops, sending farmers from the MEDW over to the LEDW to teach them how to farm more efficiently, sending MEDW doctors over there to train others in medicine, rather than a few privileged LEDW families sending their sons and daughters over here, and restricting the arms trade to the LEDW.
I honestly believe that education, tools and training are the best things we can offer the LEDW. Direct food and financial aid just prolongs the LEDW's misery.
However, the OP is suggesting in essence that science is mutually exclusive with the development of poor nations. This is simply not the case. Scientific advancements have done the LEDW a world of good in the part 50 years. Improvements in genetic engineering mean that HYV crops are grown all across South-East asia, improving yields by up to 5x in some cases. With the age of space-based communications and the internet, access to knowledge in third world cities in particular is massively improved, and this has indirectly and unwittingly aided development through education with the vast resources of the internet at your disposal. The LHC, if successful, will finally give physicists a near-complete picture of mass. The space age has lead to the era of mobile phones and cheap telecoms over the internet, so who's to say that the LHC won't result in something equally as amazing as that?
In short for the tl;dr crowd, there is enough actual capital floating around the Western world to ensure that we can develop our technology as well as other nations.
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Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.28 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc.
Nature will always find a balance. Cure one disease and another will take it's place, (AIDS, MRSA etc). We have cured so many "incurable" diseases over the past decade or so that nature has rewarded us with new superbugs that will prevent the population from expanding to uncontrollable levels.
Preventing the population cull by nature will only serve to spark another new super virus to ensure the cull continues on schedule. You can't tell mum how to run her world, she's been doing it a lot longer than we have
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Lubomir Penev
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Posted - 2008.09.28 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Liberator 1
There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc. . . 345. Go back to the moon. . . . 567. Go to Mars. . . 894. Build a giant particle accelerator to answer a question most people don't care about much less understand so some scientists can go 'Oh yeah, thats why we have mass then.'
. . . . . 1576. Build a supercomputer so people can play Internet spaceships -- I'm done whining about AFs, it looks like they are making them right \o/ |

Mutabae
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Posted - 2008.09.29 02:38:00 -
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This is harsh to say, but why should I care about starving people I don't know? Only an extremely small amount of them would, if given everything they need, accomplish anything more noteable than making more kids and breathing in and out (this applies to my own country as well, the difference being I know some of my countrymates and can identify with them). When I see starving babies on TV from yet another devastated part of Africa, I feel no shame in changing the channel and making another fat steak on the bbq.
I'm sure there are a couple potential Einstein's starving to death right now, but 99.9999999% of those people are more likely to butcher each other given the chance, than help them.
Fortunately for them, my government believes otherwise and is actively trying to feed, clothe and educate some of them. However, if I were to find out they'd all died and their death made no day to day difference to me, I'd shrug my shoulders and get on with my life.
So, physics that can improve my life is better than more funds for starving babies with distended bellies.
Selfish of me, but at least I'm honest.
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Intense Thinker
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Posted - 2008.09.29 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Originally by: Liberator 1 Edited by: Liberator 1 on 10/09/2008 07:52:10 There should be a list of problems that we, humanity should attempt to solve. It starts like this:
1. Stop people dying from lack of water/clean water. 2. Feed the starving. 3. Stop people from dying of entirely preventable diseases like TB,flu,diarrhoea etc.
Nature will always find a balance. Cure one disease and another will take it's place, (AIDS, MRSA etc). We have cured so many "incurable" diseases over the past decade or so that nature has rewarded us with new superbugs that will prevent the population from expanding to uncontrollable levels.
Preventing the population cull by nature will only serve to spark another new super virus to ensure the cull continues on schedule. You can't tell mum how to run her world, she's been doing it a lot longer than we have
We cured HIV once already... then we found out it's one of the fastest mutating virii out there and that we're totally screwed (ZING! )
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.29 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar The problem here is money, not the LHC. If we get rid of money the issue is solved.
Dont forget the religon along with the money oooo and politics that has to go fer sure
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.09.29 07:24:00 -
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I was disapointed it was shutdown blah! would have been cool to see that badboy fire up...
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