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Brutorcitizen01052010914
Politically Incorrect
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:06:00 -
[151] - Quote
Yes |

Tobiaz
Spacerats
79
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:07:00 -
[152] - Quote
NO
I love EVE and has The Mittani done great things for this game.
I hate whining self righteous emo *****, they only add a lot of noise.
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |

comader shawn
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:08:00 -
[153] - Quote
yes |

Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:08:00 -
[154] - Quote
Irrelevant. It has nothing to do with us what happens, it is purely in the hands of CCP. |

killler465
Politically Incorrect
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:09:00 -
[155] - Quote
yes + banhammer |

iownslaves
Politically Incorrect
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:10:00 -
[156] - Quote
Yes. |

Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:12:00 -
[157] - Quote
Yes.
He claimed he did wrong himself, claimed he would resign himself, and left no question as to wrong doing in his own words. Why even ask? Is he wanting to back out of it now? Was he just "drunk again?" If he will not man up and take care of this himself let CCP apply the ban hammer to help him stiffen that spine. |

Discovery Man
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:12:00 -
[158] - Quote
Yes. |

angles2001
Ununpentium Productions
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:15:00 -
[159] - Quote
yes and ban |

Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:15:00 -
[160] - Quote
Yes. It's bad press for EVE if he remains the DEV's player-advisor. |

Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
100
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:16:00 -
[161] - Quote
Yes Indeed.. |

mikal 2001
Politically Incorrect
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:16:00 -
[162] - Quote
Yes |

Jita Alt666
966
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:17:00 -
[163] - Quote
Was going to say Yes; resign. Then saw that Cipher Jones has his panties in a twist due to the situation not seemingly resolving itself in a manner suited to Cipher Jones' wishes. So now I am stuck between two evils.
I say No. Good bye Cipher Jones. |

bdeath2u
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:17:00 -
[164] - Quote
Yes and yes again + banhammer |

Lost Holding
Element 115.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:20:00 -
[165] - Quote
Yes. |

Flamespar
Woof Club
321
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:20:00 -
[166] - Quote
Yes.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |

YuuKnow
158
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:20:00 -
[167] - Quote
Yes.
And to those that say "10k wasted votes". 10k accounts is still *less than* 3% of the total Eve subscriber base. The other 97% of the subscriber base don't give a **** what a measely 3% want.
yk |

Vyktor Abyss
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
96
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:22:00 -
[168] - Quote
Yes but no he won't. |

Bashia Remedy
Ununpentium Productions
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:22:00 -
[169] - Quote
YES |

Rutherford Rainman
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:30:00 -
[170] - Quote
Yes, no doubt in my mind. I said it in another thread as well that actions have consequences, even while drunk. |

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
482
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:44:00 -
[171] - Quote
Maybe. shiptoastin' liek a baws |

Wessler
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:52:00 -
[172] - Quote
YES. |

Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:58:00 -
[173] - Quote
What he did was bad He was drunk on his ass and knew he would be on internet TV - which was irresponsible He saw what he did when was sober enough to see the replay and he says it was a very bad thing he did
(many apparently do not have faith in his ability to judge his own actions as they argue with him that what he did was not alllll that bad, so either they don't have faith in his judgment or they know more about whether he will just say anything necessary to cover his ass. Me, I'm taking him at his word and he said he did a bad thing. His followers who know him better can doubt his ability to be sincere, but I will wait to see his actions.)
He paid a sort of retribution to the victim in the form of ISK, but some may call it a bribe or a payoff to let it pass - I'm still out on that one
He said what he did crossed the line and he will resign - so I don't understand why this thread is running
If he fails to keep his word, his CSM word, that will be the most damaging thing he can do for his credibility, his CSM credibility. I would expect his RP character to tell everyone to **** off, but he did not do this while RPing and from his own apology he indicates he can compartmentalize his RP self from his CSM self.
OK - we have heard from his sober self on the slides (I've seen the whole tape and reviewed the important parts more times.) We have heard from his drunken self which slipped from being his CSM/reality self to his RP/fantasy self We have heard from his hangover self when he offered his apology.
Now, I wait to see who will show up to make the next decision.
But to my mind, failing to keep one's word issued from a real world leadership position (whether irresponsibily drunk, sober or judgment impaired headachy hungover) completely ends any future trust and move the person into a not suitable for purpose category.
Mittani - it is your move, unless CCP takes it for you, since the neither the ball or the court belong to you, anyway. YOU have placed yourself in a difficult position, by your own actions, from which you can only emerge totally damaged as one who cannot keep his word for personally selfish reasons, or one who can begin to restore himself from what was self described as having made a bad mistake. |

Jack Gauge
Dusk Till Dawn Mystic Dawn Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:58:00 -
[174] - Quote
Like everyone else, I have been watching this unfold. After a lot of thought, I believe that although he was very out of line concerning his choice of mocking the personal issues the victim was suffering, context must be considered as well. Everyone knows who the Goons are, and what they are about. There is no question about that. The player chose to express personal information to people he did not know, and to Goons of all people. He had to know this was a bad idea.
The presentation was made in good spirit, and meant to be carefree and mocking in general, in traditional Goon fashion. With the exception of the personal comments and call to harass the person, the whole thing was in character with what one would expect from the leader of the Goons.
He was wrong to push it as far as he did.
I believe it was not intentionally meant to be as harmful as it appeared.
I believe his apology.
I do believe he should step aside as Chairman, but he should remain on the CSM.
He should promise not to run for re-election.
I think many people should learn from this, but he should be allowed to make the contribution to the counsel that the people felt he could make.
I think CCP should learn from this and take steps to prevent this next year or any year.
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Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:02:00 -
[175] - Quote
Mu
You all need to relax. Let CCP deal with it.
PS.
A monk once asked master Chao-chou, "Does a dog have Buddha-nature or not?" Chao-chou said, "Mu"
...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |

5ilent
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:04:00 -
[176] - Quote
Honestly, this should be upto the guy who was invoved in this, if he feels the apologie is enough then so be it, if he feels that the Mittani should step down, then so be it, its not upto us to decide. |

Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone Ironworks Coalition
59
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:05:00 -
[177] - Quote
Bibosikus wrote: I'm no prude - I'm thinking here about prospective new players. Because frankly, that half hour of effing, blinding, posturing and insulting is the worst single piece of universal PR nightmare CCP has manufactured, to date. And they could so easily have prevented it.
AT9 final springs to mind. The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |

Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:17:00 -
[178] - Quote
Vangelios wrote:Mu
You all need to relax. Let CCP deal with it.
PS.
A monk once asked master Chao-chou, "Does a dog have Buddha-nature or not?" Chao-chou said, "Mu"
WOW! Am I ever enlightened!! |

Yuki 0nna
The White Rose Conventicle
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:24:00 -
[179] - Quote
Yes and ban from CSM for life
The offense goes beyond his incitement of others to grief a potentially suicidal player.
His entire presentation from start to finish was nothing but a bullying public humiliation of all EVE players newer, weaker, more naive, less knowledgeable, less literate, less sophisticated and "cool," yes, even more Christian than himself, the panel, and the members of the present and viewing audience invited to join in the smug superior laughter of every more powerful "in" group at those they cast "beyond the pale."
It was no accident. No product of a drunken moment of indiscretion. It was planned, it was executed, and it was disgraceful.
Say what you want about EVE being a "hard" PvP game, The Mittani's behavior is nothing any parent would wish to see their child emulate. In an adult, in an elected representative of a player community, one which decidedly includes all those upon whom The Mittani labored to cascade contempt, such behavior is near unforgivable. It is certainly not commensurate with his any longer speaking or in any way standing for that full community's interests. Like it or not, The Mittani shamed us all as adults who choose to play EVE Online.
There is a poison in EVE, a poison which increasingly foments conflict not between peers, null sec empire against null sec empire, small corp against small corp, but which instead incites and celebrates the strong preying up the weak, the veteran upon the noob, the prepared predator against the defenseless prey, not for in game triumph or advantage but to reach beyond the game, beyond the pixels, to "harvest tears" and impotent anger from real persons.
The Mittani has made himself, not inadvertently but deliberately, the chief agent of this poison and its spread. He must go. EVE's culture is a violent, no-holds-barred PvP culture on many levels, and it should remain so, but it must step back from this ugly cesspool into which The Mittani and his ilk have been leading it. |

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
483
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:45:00 -
[180] - Quote
Yuki 0nna wrote:Yes and ban from CSM for life
The offense goes beyond his incitement of others to grief a potentially suicidal player.
His entire presentation from start to finish was nothing but a bullying public humiliation of all EVE players newer, weaker, more naive, less knowledgeable, less literate, less sophisticated and "cool," yes, even more Christian than himself, the panel, and the members of the present and viewing audience invited to join in the smug superior laughter of every more powerful "in" group at those they cast "beyond the pale."
It was no accident. No product of a drunken moment of indiscretion. It was planned, it was executed, and it was disgraceful.
Say what you want about EVE being a "hard" PvP game, The Mittani's behavior is nothing any parent would wish to see their child emulate. In an adult, in an elected representative of a player community, one which decidedly includes all those upon whom The Mittani labored to cascade contempt, such behavior is near unforgivable. It is certainly not commensurate with his any longer speaking or in any way standing for that full community's interests. Like it or not, The Mittani shamed us all as adults who choose to play EVE Online.
There is a poison in EVE, a poison which increasingly foments conflict not between peers, null sec empire against null sec empire, small corp against small corp, but which instead incites and celebrates the strong preying up the weak, the veteran upon the noob, the prepared predator against the defenseless prey, not for in game triumph or advantage but to reach beyond the game, beyond the pixels, to "harvest tears" and impotent anger from real persons.
The Mittani has made himself, not inadvertently but deliberately, the chief agent of this poison and its spread. He must go. EVE's culture is a violent, no-holds-barred PvP culture on many levels, and it should remain so, but it must step back from this ugly cesspool into which The Mittani and his ilk have been leading it.
 shiptoastin' liek a baws |
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