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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:39:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Fixing something means it was broken. What I wrote was not broken. You are welcome to say something else if that is what you feel, but please do not change something I wrote into something different. That is fundamentally dishonest as you are attributing a statement to me that I did not make. Hi Ai Shun o/ :)
Let us start with the basics. When someone writes something along the lines of "fixed your post for ya" it is usually with a tongue-in-cheek tone. You see, you wrote that you hope I never have to apologize for making a mistake. And the whole point of my post seemed to have escaped you. As a response I wrote (again, with a tongue-in-cheek tone) that mitten's apology was not sincere. This "fundamental dishonesty" you speak of, well, is fundamentally non-existent. If you still don't understand the concept feel free to let me know and I'll make another attempt at explaining it for you :).
Now on to the rest:
Ai Shun wrote:That said, who are you to judge if a person feels remorse or not? Would you want people to treat you as if your apology is fake if you make one? I would highly recommend you read The Mittani's apology. You'll take quick notice that his apology, and he makes no excuse about it, is for making some comments while heavily intoxicated, to the point of not remembering what he said. I had asked before some questions that you either seemed to have ignored or overlooked so I will simply ask again:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments? I would love to hear your input.
Quote:That is a high moral ground you are putting yourself on. I sincerely hope you are as perfect as you imply you are. Then and again, given that you misrepresent what I said probably not  See, the thing is you don't need to be high on any moral ground to realize that making fun of a depressed human being contemplating suicide is inherently wrong. And again, his apology was for a drunken mistake. Even though he claims not to use inebreation as an excuse for his behavior, that is exactly what he did. You don't have to be a genius to realize that his apology does not extend to all events leading up to his intoxicated presentation on that day, but rather just the presentation of that day. Blurring real life with game obviously isn't an issue to him (and goons in general).
Feel free to defend him, his apology, and his actions to the bitter end. But do yourself a favor and stop spinning this like he's the victim in all this. Goons, company, and friends were sold even before all this happened, no matter what writings are on the wall. Their tears have already been shed and Alex's revenge is already brewing. So no one's being fooled. Just an advice. |

Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:47:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments? I would love to hear your input. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28575
Read it. Learn where the line is. |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
422
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:49:00 -
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Thomas Orca wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:
also true lol
But also, as far as the free will thing goes (I just thought of it) theyre role playing right? And if he's their leader, and he's roleplaying as their leader giving orders (the RP excuse Ive heard a lot lately and for the first time since I started playing the game actually) that kinda gets rid of the free will thing too. Your a soldier following your leader's orders
(Yes I get thats a stupid argument but RP is a stupid excuse here too)
You're right, that is a stupid argument.
agree the RP excuse is stupid as well then cause its a two sided coin here The argument is only really stupid if claiming he's RPing in the video (which has been claimed since and by him in the EVE-Radio thing "I got home, dropped character..." saying that HE was RPing...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |

Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:00:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Come on man, haven't you been reading these forums at all? Goons don't have any free will. The Mittani coerces their cooperation through terrorism and fear.
It follows the Mittani or it gets the hose? |

Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:02:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote: Come on man, haven't you been reading these forums at all? Goons don't have any free will. The Mittani coerces their cooperation through terrorism and fear.
My bad bro 
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: In other words, you rather create an imaginary fetch than answer these questions.
I've read CCP's response on the matter (including that thread you linked above). And my questions are not directed at CCP. But I can see why you'd try and divert the issue.
No, it's just the answer to your question is quite obvious and explained both in that dev blog, and this thread many times. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:04:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments? I would love to hear your input. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28575Read it. Learn where the line is. In other words, you rather create an imaginary fetch than answer these questions. I've read CCP's response on the matter (including that thread you linked above). And my questions are not directed at CCP. But I can see why you'd try and divert the issue.
Luckily, this part "Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation?",
this part "Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience?",
this part "Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email?",
and this part "Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments?"
are completely irrelevant to why he apologized.
Basically what I'm saying is that your whole post there is completely irrelevant to ANYTHING in this thread. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
225
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:04:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Come on man, haven't you been reading these forums at all? Goons don't have any free will. The Mittani coerces their cooperation through terrorism and fear. It follows the Mittani or it gets the hose?
It follows the Mittani or it gets the death squad. |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
272
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:09:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments? I would love to hear your input. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28575Read it. Learn where the line is. In other words, you rather create an imaginary fetch than answer these questions. I've read CCP's response on the matter (including that thread you linked above). And my questions are not directed at CCP. But I can see why you'd try and divert the issue. Luckily, this part "Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation?", this part "Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience?", this part "Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email?", and this part "Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments?" are completely irrelevant to why he apologized. Basically what I'm saying is that your whole post there is completely irrelevant to ANYTHING in this thread. Of course they're irrelevant. They necessarily would need to be in order to consider his "apology" sincere .
"If you blot out the inconsistencies it makes perfect sense!"
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:12:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
Luckily, this part "Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation?",
this part "Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience?",
this part "Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email?",
and this part "Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments?"
are completely irrelevant to why he apologized.
Basically what I'm saying is that your whole post there is completely irrelevant to ANYTHING in this thread.
Of course they're irrelevant. They necessarily would need to be in order to consider his "apology" sincere  . "If you blot out the inconsistencies it makes perfect sense!"
Well, considering his apology was all about the drunken joke made during the Q&A, and not his presentation, which deserves it's own apology for being terribly presented, yeah, you're irrelevant.
Honestly, the presentation could have been much funnier if presented by Michael Bolton 3. |

Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:17:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote: Well, considering his apology was all about the drunken joke made during the Q&A, and not his presentation, which deserves it's own apology for being terribly presented, yeah, you're irrelevant.
Honestly, the presentation could have been much funnier if presented by Michael Bolton 3.
Why do you guys let him keep doing it? Every time has been terrible. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:19:00 -
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Thomas Orca wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: Well, considering his apology was all about the drunken joke made during the Q&A, and not his presentation, which deserves it's own apology for being terribly presented, yeah, you're irrelevant.
Honestly, the presentation could have been much funnier if presented by Michael Bolton 3.
Why do you guys let him keep doing it? Every time has been terrible.
We thought we would have gotten better after the first time. You're at fault too, you know, being "goon pets" and all. |

Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:21:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote: We thought we would have gotten better after the first time. You're at fault too, you know, being "goon pets" and all.
Oh god, an FA presentation would be even worse.
"We were then told Fade would be our new home, so we went and sperged the **** out and preceded to grind an entire region with Stealth Bombers" |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
272
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:25:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Well, considering his apology was all about the drunken joke made during the Q&A, and not his presentation, which deserves it's own apology for being terribly presented, yeah, you're irrelevant. Considering he claims to be nothing like "The Mittani", being able to differentiate between real life and game, and apologizing for a "drunken joke" even though his actions extended days (weeks even) before this event these questions are quite relevant.
They highlight his hypocrisy and inconsistency. So I can definitely see why you would like for them to be irrelevant.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:31:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Well, considering his apology was all about the drunken joke made during the Q&A, and not his presentation, which deserves it's own apology for being terribly presented, yeah, you're irrelevant. Considering he claims to be nothing like "The Mittani", being able to differentiate between real life and game, and apologizing for a "drunken joke" even though his actions extended days (weeks even) before this event these questions are quite relevant. They highlight his hypocrisy and inconsistency. So I can definitely see why you would like for them to be irrelevant.
Haha, okay. You seem to be confused here. Which part do you think he was apologizing for? |

Gonada
Dark Club
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:51:00 -
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at the end of the day, hes just some dude that plays video games, human, and humans screw up.
10 years from now hell be balding , saddled with a few kids, and |Eve will be a interesting footnote in his life. |

Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:53:00 -
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Gonada wrote:at the end of the day, hes just some dude that plays video games, human, and humans screw up.
10 years from now hell be balding , saddled with a few kids, and |Eve will be a interesting footnote in his life.
Heh, you haven't been reading this thread obviously. Mittani isn't human, he's a diseased hell rat bent on nothing less than the destruction of all life an earth. He needs to be locked up in every country in order to protect us from him. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:56:00 -
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This thread has run its course. Locked.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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