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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6457
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:09:00 -
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This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:10:00 -
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Chairman of my heart~
EDIT: DONT ******* RESIGN YOU GLORIOUS *******! |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:10:00 -
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First
Edit: Damnit! Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:13:00 -
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ohseven ohseven |
Lanny Gillert
Black Hand Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:13:00 -
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Page one! |
Durr Hurrr Durr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:13:00 -
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I STILL LOVE YOU
MY CHAIRMAN |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
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Ground Floor |
Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
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Die in a fire. |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
295
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
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Goodbye Goon smugness of yesteryear (yesterday) Damn nature, you scary! |
Nuela
Beacon Light Corporation Beacon Light Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
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Please everyone....let this go now. |
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
655
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
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A surprisingly sincere apology. I approve. |
Sang-in Tiers
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:14:00 -
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Is he trolling or is he not... |
Azriel Geist
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:15:00 -
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I'm cool with this.
<3 you Mittenz. |
Gerard Gendri
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:15:00 -
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Kill yourself. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
545
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:15:00 -
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Thank you for this.
PS Don't you dare step down, thanks. |
Makenshi Drakonnen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:15:00 -
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Chairman of my heart! |
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BH Nahuer
Polaris Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:15:00 -
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post |
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Torvix
Massively Dynamic The Jagged Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:15:00 -
[18] - Quote
Basketballs. |
Brock Nelson
505
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:15:00 -
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First page Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Funkin
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:16:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:A surprisingly sincere apology. I approve.
+1 from a nameless noob |
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Trevor Nokkon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:16:00 -
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kill yourself faggot |
Mac Zehn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:16:00 -
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Does this mean the sacking of Jita is still on? |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:16:00 -
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You're a good guy, man. |
Rogan Otsolen
The 22nd Jenquai Deep Space Corp Checkmate.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:17:00 -
[24] - Quote
I'm man enough to give you credit for posting a public apology. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
207
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:17:00 -
[25] - Quote
Politician. |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
297
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:17:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:@TheMittani Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable. Still going through with it? Damn nature, you scary! |
ColonelSplendido
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
43
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:17:00 -
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~MY CHAIRMAN~ |
Just fearless
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
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page two |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
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MY CEO~ |
Nymph Purchasing
Ruvas Logistics and Maintenance Services
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
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I had hoped for something like this.
In the space opera that is Eve I despise the goons and Mittani. They are the bad guy. Occasionally I might wish I could convert to that dark side myself, but overall I despise them.
Alexander, however, I appreciate as an effective leader who does *usually* appear to have the broader player base's interests at heart. |
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
[31] - Quote
Mittens is like a Dose of the Clap. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
464
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
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All that was needed to be said. Kudos for stepping up and admitting that you did wrong.
Just be careful before you do this stuff in future, the rest of the Alliance panel up till that point in your presentation was hilarious, just don't go flying over the f##king line. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
XavierVE
Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
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Sang-in Tiers wrote:Is he trolling or is he not... He had a wizard hat on while talking about "The Wiz", coincidence?
His apology isn't a troll, but it's not sincere either. The initial reaction of "deal with it" was much more in line with what he'd like to say. He didn't realize how far this would blow up in terms of it being covered by mainstream gaming sites and figures this meandering apology will preserve his chairmanship and his account.
Knowing how CCP loves to cover for their golden boys, he's probably right. |
Xalaram
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
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Please do not step down Mittens! |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
888
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
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"Sorry, but I will stay in this chair."
Yeah, of course. No consequences, just words, everything to save yourself.
quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
[36] - Quote
This will be an epic thread. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
991
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
[37] - Quote
In the typical EVE Online spirit, we'll see what you do, not what you say. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:18:00 -
[38] - Quote
nice |
Azami Nevinyrall
Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates.
83
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
[39] - Quote
Personally I have nothing against you or your actions in game. It is a game and anything that happens in game should stay there. But with your public "flogging" of a fellow player you're supposto represent is completely uncalled for in any manner.
I will only give you any respect in game or IRL unless you withdraw from your current position as CSM chairman. |
Dior Saursi
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
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That is a great way to own up to a mistake you made. I hope you don't have to resign over this as your actions are beneficial to the game overall. |
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
[41] - Quote
His Arrival brings us pleasure and him staying is a pain in the balls. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3454
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
[42] - Quote
Friends don't let friends drink and give alliance panel presentations. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
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Mittens, stop beating yourself up about it. The truth of the matter is it was not him who made the comments, but me masquerading as him.
I realized early on at Fanfest that I was his doppleganger. Literally had Goons buying me drinks thinking I was Mittens. So when I saw an opportunity, I took it and took his place on stage to troll. I had no idea it would generate so much attention and bad press for CCP and Mittens and fully accept responsibility for what happened.
EDIT: Photographic proof that we look alike: http://onebit.us/x/i/17314fb6.jpg |
Evei Shard
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
88
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
[44] - Quote
9/10 Profit favors the prepared |
WNxWolfy
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
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Getting on the third page of a threadnaught
Also wow, an apology from the mittani? |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
[46] - Quote
Good enough for me. Don't fall on your sword unless CCP asks you to. <3
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Laak Anthar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:19:00 -
[47] - Quote
Oh, sniff sniff. Did CCP make you say you are sorry? |
cepo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[48] - Quote
Ok fine, I forgive you. |
indiana bones
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[49] - Quote
:popcorn: |
Javier McPoopbeard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[50] - Quote
shitdicks |
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Johan Krieger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[51] - Quote
MY CEO~ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3454
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:"Sorry, but I will stay in this chair."
Yeah, of course. No consequences, just words, everything to save yourself.
Your concern is not with the miner in question, it's with your own video game agenda. Get over yourself. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1085
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
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I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
Dragunov Vio
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[54] - Quote
Don't resign. |
Klann Schreck
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[55] - Quote
chairman of my heart! You stay right ******* there! |
Devyn Mallory
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[56] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote:A surprisingly sincere apology. I approve.
+1, thankyou |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
200
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[57] - Quote
"Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done. |
Kimmiy Kimasre
University of Caille Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[58] - Quote
Thank you for standing up and admitting a mistake. That takes backbone to do so before so many people.
We are all capable of making horrific mistakes, but not everyone can admit to their mistakes. |
Bernard Modaff
Bernard Modaff Investment Securities
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[59] - Quote
Case closed for me...
I still wonder why some people are unable to draw a distinction between Eve and Real Life. If you look at the whole hour of Alliance Panel, it's all drunken nerds trying (not very successfully and with bad taste) to be funny. |
Victor Twenty
Odyssey Space Exploration
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[60] - Quote
Nice damage control but your true character has been shown and you cannot hide any longer.
Welcome to EVE!
Vic20 |
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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
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Bacchanalian wrote:Mittens, stop beating yourself up about it. The truth of the matter is it was not him who made the comments, but me masquerading as him.
I realized early on at Fanfest that I was his doppleganger. Literally had Goons buying me drinks thinking I was Mittens. So when I saw an opportunity, I took it and took his place on stage to troll. I had no idea it would generate so much attention and bad press for CCP and Mittens and fully accept responsibility for what happened. This must be the reason! Good guy Mittens taking the responsibility for his twin! |
Rer Eirikr
Stargazer Exploration Company Transmission Lost
78
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
[62] - Quote
Not sure if meta troll or..?
Hopefully now other gaming sites will stop fueling this and discontinue shitting on EVE. |
Steamgrind Meatroller
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:20:00 -
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If The Mittani steps down from his CSM chair I will kill myself IRL for fear of EVE becoming a terrible game again. Please think of my safety, this is not a joke. |
Ender Black
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
89
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:21:00 -
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That was more than I expected. I, like a nubbin, expected a legalese apology. This was not that. It seemed honest, did not shift blame or try to smooth over the action in question. That took some big balls and a large dose of humility.
+1 Mittens The Pod Goo Podcast http://www.podgoo.com
Pod Goo also publishes editorials, guest blogs, and guides for free. -áJust email [email protected] your material. |
DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:21:00 -
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Not good enough sry don't cut it in cases like this. i know you cant rly do more then that but that's just tough luck for you.
i don't care if you are in CSM or not, i don't care if you get banned or not. You gotta live whit it and feel bad about, though i have a feeling you wont.
i guess if you can log in to eve in the future your lucky your the leader of the entire CFC and ccp don't have the balls to ban you, Despite the pretty damn clear EULA |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
177
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:21:00 -
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Just for the record, now that you're sober... How likely are we to see more of this rot? :
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ [Source] |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5796
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:21:00 -
[67] - Quote
Good job, man. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
591
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:21:00 -
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Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. HAHA, no. |
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:21:00 -
[69] - Quote
insincere apology = fake apology.
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Inc spike
AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:22:00 -
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I actually just LOST respect for you posting this apology. You know damn well you don't mean it, and anyone who can't handle some "cyber bullying" doesn't need to be playing EVE.
We all know this is political ass kissing for CCP and Mittani, to reduce backlash from media.
I mean, WTF happened to the CCP motto of "Harden the *uck Up" |
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Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
69
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:22:00 -
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Drunk people are drunk. vOv
King of space 4 lyfe <3 |
Venus Vermillion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
455
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:22:00 -
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Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.
He's waiting for you to resign first, D3. You're the one who actually violated the rules, he just did something he feels bad about... he admits it... but you... |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:22:00 -
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A black stain forever, I think. Mittani will never enjoy the same level of respect he did before. |
Vanir Tsero
Critical Mass Inc. Pinked
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:23:00 -
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The Damage you've already brought to the Game in the form of bad reviews from multiple gaming sites including http://www.massively.com is reason enough for you to resign from CSM.
You did not think before you spoke. Someone who does not think of the consequences is not someone people should want on the CSM board. It shows how immature you truely are.
CCP is suffering quite a bit from this one players cry for attention. Whether it was intentional or not, it's not how "you" see it, it's how the outside world sees it. And right now, CCP and EvE Online has a very very dark light cast on it. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:23:00 -
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**** that guy and **** CCP. You did nothing wrong Mittens. Some people need to harden the **** up irl. |
Ashuva Uesugi
STAHLSTURM
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:24:00 -
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I must say you did right to say sorry and apologize.
You totally shocked me as someone who admire your achieves and what you build up in an game like eve, also how the things you created affected a whole game and the changes you made ccp do for the enjoyment of us all.
I dont like the personality of the mittani, but the work you did.
After i read about your speech and saw it in an youtube video i felt shocked. I acted quickly and i made a petition to ccp about the laws and problems this speech involves even in europe, usa or iceland.
Now you did a great step to say public sorry, i would find it very positive of you when you say sorry to the person who is your victim in this term.
My Rage feels satisfied now, but i must also say that you crossed a line you never should have cross. The Line between Game and Realitiy, and the Line between game and Laws in Reality.
I hope you critic yourself from now on more often, or change some attitudes, i think also for some people maybe your victim also a apologize is not enough. Maybe you do something nobody thinks you will ever do.
You could help your victim in many ways, you can give him a save home in your alliances space, and this should silence all critics even from me. I guess this would show us also that you will be a chairmen who dont need to step down. |
Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:24:00 -
[77] - Quote
I love how Mittani doesn't think he's a sociopath....its hilarious
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Savannah Zateki
CASCADE OF SPECTRES Comic Mischief
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:24:00 -
[78] - Quote
Toasting in epic bread.
Also, there are always consequences to your actions, regardless if you were hammered or not at the time. Remember CCP's "The Butterfly Effect" trailer, where it says that one little action can lead to something big? Well, that first shot of Jager was your butterfly. Prepare to suffer the consequences. |
Ceptia Cyna
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:24:00 -
[79] - Quote
Quote:"Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [redacted]," Alex said, adding that "he has his own corp. Find him."
Abet to cyberbullying with the intend to cause a suicide. Really that reads just GREAT for a lawyer. Well it does not. Maybe you should explain this to your law firm before they find out by a thrid party? Is this maybe even a crime in your state?
Oh and nice writeup, but not very convincing as we all know honesty isn't your strong side is it? |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
938
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:24:00 -
[80] - Quote
I approve this message even thou I didn't voted for you
No, lets get back to Prencleeve. What that heck...
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Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:24:00 -
[81] - Quote
Thank you for doing the right thing and saving lifes |
Toterra
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:25:00 -
[82] - Quote
Nice apology. I hope that this doesn't totally mess up your real-life as well.
Good luck in your future endeavors. |
Wirty Dhore
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:25:00 -
[83] - Quote
goonies first icelandic beer. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
144
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:25:00 -
[84] - Quote
In before the inevitable 80 page shitstorm.
I think all of this is caused by the fact some people, such as the Mitanni, often let their in-game personalities carry into real life which can be rather dangerous. |
Savannah Zateki
CASCADE OF SPECTRES Comic Mischief
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:25:00 -
[85] - Quote
-double post- |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:25:00 -
[86] - Quote
Hiram Alexander wrote:Just for the record, now that you're sober... How likely are we to see more of this rot? : The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ [ Source]
Do you really think that anyone takes people hiding behind an NPC alt serious? "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Durr Hurrr Durr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:26:00 -
[87] - Quote
Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.
He can not resign, 10057 of my alts say so |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
204
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:26:00 -
[88] - Quote
Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.
You need to stop pushing your personal agenda and dislike for Alex as a person using an honest actual drama as ammo mate.
It's unsightly, obvious and not nearly subtle enough for my approval. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1454
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:26:00 -
[89] - Quote
Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Ni Cho
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:26:00 -
[90] - Quote
Minabunny wrote:Die in a fire.
This person just said he wanted him to DIE in a FIRE.
/me runs screaming |
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
127
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:26:00 -
[91] - Quote
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/571748/ |
Cromwell Savage
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
36
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:26:00 -
[92] - Quote
Meh....words are just that...words.
Meaningless and empty.
Let us know when you really take responsibility for your actions and resign. |
Ava Starfire
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
212
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[93] - Quote
Choke on your own vomit.
or resign.
Either way, youll still be a ****. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
158
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[94] - Quote
It's been my opinion that one can see that a reason that CSM candidates (and members) are required to disclose their real names is that by doing so they acknowledge that they are no longer JUST their EVE character. Gaining a CSM position means that you carry responsibility for your words and actions as a person in the real world and that you should be careful to separate your EVE identity from the way you act as a CSM member. One should do that anyway if they aren't crazy, regardless of being on some player-elected council, of course... But I think that it's not optional with the CSM, and you should do it even if you're crazy or refrain from running.
The point is that in my eyes, Mittens, you hit the nail on the head when you said why it wasn't okay to say what you said, even if it wasn't meant seriously and even if it's something that's being said in game every day (if I had an ISK for every time someone in EVE told someone else to go kill themselves..!).
+1
(Also, posting this resulted in a "We were ganked". Who broke the forums???) |
Oresum Welles
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[95] - Quote
A sincere apology, but, you should resign as the position is not one that permits such license to target a private individual. If you're truly as honorable as you say, resign. You tarnish the office, and the players you represent and this event will not be forgotten by any of us; proponents or not. |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[96] - Quote
Keep the good work as Chairman man.
Nice apologie, and to whioever thinks about seriuous bussines in this horrible game should really stop playing and walk out to see the sun and live the life.
|
Dragunov Vio
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[97] - Quote
Aranakas wrote:A black stain forever, I think. Mittani will never enjoy the same level of respect he did before.
My respect for him goes unchanged |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
58
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[98] - Quote
I know how you pretend to feel about calling for somebody's suicide, because I pretend to feel the same way. |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[99] - Quote
I'll just leave this here
Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun.
Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
139
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[100] - Quote
Plan C |
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Ai Shun
413
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[101] - Quote
+1 for what took balls to post and seeing there are people behind Goons too. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[102] - Quote
Laak Anthar wrote:Oh, sniff sniff. Did CCP make you say you are sorry?
Actually his wife did. |
Bibosikus
Inside out. The G0dfathers
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[103] - Quote
Stay off the sauce ffs, when you're in the spotlight.
Celebrity 101
It was a fairly decent apology, but it doesn't subtract the deed.
I'll live with it, as long as you learn from it The box said "Requires Windows-á2000 or better", so I installed Linux. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
553
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[104] - Quote
Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.
Dear Darius "I break the NDA and then lie about it" III
Shut your publord mouth. Stop trying to make yourself look good over this entirely stupid situation
I mean, you released NDA material to Riverini for christ's sake
Love
Ender |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
528
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:27:00 -
[105] - Quote
I have a new found appreciation for the phrase "Politically Correct".
Seriously, good job on the maneuver.
However, I don't think any apology is necessary.
OH MY GOD, DON'T SHOOT THE GUY, HE MIGHT BE SUICIDAL! is going to be my phrase in fleets from now on.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Panda Name
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:28:00 -
[106] - Quote
yo ~mittens~,
if you really want to apologize for something of actual value, you should film yourself shaving off your chinstrap.
douchechills
know what i'm sayin'? |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:28:00 -
[107] - Quote
Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. Not empty quoting. |
0118999881999119725 3
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:28:00 -
[108] - Quote
As the true RL friend of the victim I can now reveal that not only has Mittani's apology stopped his suicidal thought process, but he is now currently on his way to a job interview and will be having drinks with a female afterwards. God bless! |
Foyle
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:28:00 -
[109] - Quote
so you got cought doing something that will screw you over on the game side, not 1st time you been doing shite way outta hand , now that its the brink of getting the boot i guess you can come clean ..
i really dont by any of it and hope ccp will go all out on this .. you dont deserve anything less in my mind.
csm or not screw it. bring the lawman and lets see where it ends. |
Johan Krieger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
111
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:29:00 -
[110] - Quote
Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure.
also not empty quoting |
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Mr M
Agony Unleashed
143
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:29:00 -
[111] - Quote
Oops! :mittani:
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Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:29:00 -
[112] - Quote
Holy mother of god there are people in here who seriously think Mittani's a sociopath in real life and this is all some ~puppetmasta~ ploy. :cripes: |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
203
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:29:00 -
[113] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Good enough for me. Don't fall on your sword unless CCP asks you to. <3
-Liang
something tells me they already have...
it might be a zero tolerance policy... |
Sirinda
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
45
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
[114] - Quote
Aranakas wrote:A black stain forever, I think. Mittani will never enjoy the same level of respect he did before.
On the contrary, standing up to one's mistakes deserves respect. Not everyone is able to do that. For what it's worth, the person behind The Mittani has made an impression upon me with this apology. So much in fact that now I'm torn on whether or not he should resign.
And I'm not one of the 10,058. |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
[115] - Quote
The Mittani you're an idiot for apologizing.
It won't stop people from doxing or harassing you. The opposition has nothing to do with what you said and everything to do with who you are a successful member of the CSM and a goon.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
553
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
[116] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. Not empty quoting.
Cripes. |
Durr Hurrr Durr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
[117] - Quote
Cromwell Savage wrote:Meh....words are just that...words.
Meaningless and empty.
Let us know when you really take responsibility for your actions and resign.
yeah words are just words. just like all those words the mittani said at the alliance panel 0wait |
Aryndel Samson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
[118] - Quote
Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.
You are literally the last person on the CSM that has any room to make statements about character (since you have none). |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
[119] - Quote
It's a well-written apology.
The question is whether or not you can be believed. People don't change overnight, and to be honest this comes across as similar to the "boy who cried wolf" tale...even if you're sincere, nobody believes you anymore.
Actions are much louder than words. We will see whether or not this has been a paradigm-altering event and a hint at future behaviour to come, or just the meaningless ramblings of an e-Politician.
History is not on your side, however. |
Catalyst XII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
[120] - Quote
Although i think you stepped over the line, i am reassured by your apology, people tend to do stupid things they regret when drunk, we've all been there. I don't think this debacle warrants a resignation, this is an internet space ship game after all, not real politics. The CSM needs a chairman as dedicated as you. I think its understandable that in your drunken haze let the reality of Alex overlap with the reality of The Mittani, which i think is predicable given you must spend so much of your free time being 'The Mittani'
All in All, most of the forum threads are just trolls that will move one to the next big space drama that comes to eve.
Thank you for the apology, Now back to work
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Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
[121] - Quote
esc shk wrote:http://paste.pocoo.org/show/571748/
Seems like The Wis is a pretty chill guy.
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Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
[122] - Quote
Johan Krieger wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. So what does the community think of this?
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Gerard Gendri
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:31:00 -
[123] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. Not empty quoting. Cripes.
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DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:31:00 -
[124] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:[quote=Marcus Shamonomonom]I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure.
there's no joke there, hes just stating how bad this in fact could be for Mittens
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Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:31:00 -
[125] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn.
^^ This
Post is the first step, we wait for a least step 2. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:31:00 -
[126] - Quote
No reason to doubt your sincerity.
Well done for doing the right thing by simply saying 'sorry'
We all make mistakes, it how we deal with them that defines us, either as responsible adults or immature fools. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:31:00 -
[127] - Quote
**** me, I can't F5 fast enough! Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:31:00 -
[128] - Quote
"I'm sorry your honor, I was intoxicated when I got into that accident, I promise never to drink and drive again, I didn't kill anybody but can I go free now?"
I'm sorry being drunk is not an excuse.
Nice try Mittani |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
261
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:31:00 -
[129] - Quote
It's fanfest.
It's not at all surprising that folks might get into the same routine as they do when they're playing eve.
If we were voting today, you'd still have the votes from all of my accounts.
+1 Save the Miners! |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
174
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:31:00 -
[130] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn.
ahahahaha
get out jade |
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ed jeni
SKULLDOGS RED.OverLord
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:32:00 -
[131] - Quote
Quote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.
^^ this |
Bane Necran
150
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:32:00 -
[132] - Quote
Sorry, but you weren't blackout drunk, and you don't need to be to say things like that. The only difference is this time it was in public, and it's on tape, so you can't deny it.
Your manipulation and perception management skills are also things associated with a certain mental illness. I've been expecting this finely crafted 'apology' for awhile now, because i see through you right to the other side. |
Shandir
Ferocious Felines
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:32:00 -
[133] - Quote
I respect your apology but find it entirely within the persona you have created and which your fans adore, to post a public apology simultaneously with a goon-forum repudation of the apology and further attacks on any who disagree with you. Your actions will determine how genuine this is, and offering your resignation from the CSM is the step that will make your apology have weight that does not feel like a politician's pseudo-apology. |
Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:32:00 -
[134] - Quote
Johan Krieger wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. also not empty quoting
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
110
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:32:00 -
[135] - Quote
I don't know if the appology is meant or just a facade. I also don't care if it is.
Old american saying : Don't want to do time? Don't do the crime. The fact 10,058 accounts voted for you is no reason to accept a mere appology without further consequences.
I don't mean RL consequences like some people stutter. That has nothing to do with EVE as a whole. However you have damaged the credibility of EVE and the CSM as organisation by your actions and as such a penalty should be in place.
Seeing you have a large blockvote the removal from the CSM isn't really in the best intrest of CCP, nor should it be for the EVE players which voted for you. But the chair might be not the best place for you and as such I would suggest to take another position within the CSM and leave the chair to someone who isn't as tainted as you are at the moment.
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Jogyn
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:32:00 -
[136] - Quote
Seleene, mark, superman |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
591
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:32:00 -
[137] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:"I'm sorry your honor, I was intoxicated when I got into that accident, I promise never to drink and drive again, I didn't kill anybody but can I go free now?"
I'm sorry being drunk is not an excuse.
Nice try Mittani Neither is you guys killing RoyOfCA. |
Zain Andreas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:32:00 -
[138] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Chairman of my heart~
EDIT: DONT ******* RESIGN YOU GLORIOUS *******!
not emptyquoting |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:32:00 -
[139] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:"I'm sorry your honor, I was intoxicated when I got into that accident, I promise never to drink and drive again, I didn't kill anybody but can I go free now?"
I'm sorry being drunk is not an excuse.
Nice try Mittani Crying about The Mittani won't bring LV and BoB back nubblet. |
Ai Shun
413
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:33:00 -
[140] - Quote
Voith wrote:The Mittani you're an idiot for apologizing.
It won't stop people from doxing or harassing you. The opposition has nothing to do with what you said and everything to do with who you are a successful member of the CSM and a goon.
Maybe he didn't apologise to stop them harassing them, but because he felt it was the right thing to do? |
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Tergerom Loregeron
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:33:00 -
[141] - Quote
Cool. Something as dumb as this has been blown way out of proportion. Way to go everyone, here's your moral crusader badge. Now go donate everything you have to all the Starving children in Africa. Make sure you stop buying all the electronic products you use on a daily basis, they are made in abhorrent conditions which pay next to nothing. Make sure you stop wearing your brand name clothes, those are crafted for measly cents by workers in poor countries for practically nothing. Make sure you stop buying chocolate or diamonds.
Give me a ******* break, there's a variety of things you people can waste your energy bitching about and YOU ALL CHOOSE THIS?
**** YOU |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
201
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:33:00 -
[142] - Quote
Dar Saleem wrote:insincere apology = fake apology.
It only counts as sincere if he actually resigns from the CSM like he indicated on his twitter.
Thats why its not face value for me right now. |
D3F4ULT
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:34:00 -
[143] - Quote
Ghey.
And all the irony. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:34:00 -
[144] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. Not empty quoting. Cripes.
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RoyalV
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:34:00 -
[145] - Quote
A great apology for a great person! |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
938
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:34:00 -
[146] - Quote
Venus Vermillion wrote:Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. He's waiting for you to resign first, D3. You're the one who actually violated the rules, he just did something he feels bad about... he admits it... but you...
+1 Darius version 3 is still the worst. How did he get there again? |
Bacchanalian
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:34:00 -
[147] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn.
Disagree tbh, nevermind that I did it and not him. It wasn't something that he should step down over. This is EVE Online, not Hello Kitty Online. People get buttmad in EVE over their internet space pixels, and this is no exception.
Also, proof that wouldn't post right earlier that Mittens is my alt: http://tinyurl.com/bsdr75f |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3458
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:35:00 -
[148] - Quote
Akelorian wrote:"I'm sorry your honor, I was intoxicated when I got into that accident, I promise never to drink and drive again, I didn't kill anybody but can I go free now?"
I'm sorry being drunk is not an excuse.
Nice try Mittani
stop acting like you don't just have an axe to grind "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
125
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:35:00 -
[149] - Quote
The apology was appropriate. Please dont resign, and CCP please dont make him resign.
People do stupid things on occasion (especially when drunk), in this case stuff got blown way out of proportion by dumbshit media outlets desperate for page views. Having read the response from the individual in question (it found its way onto reddit) they seem to not care or are even maybe enjoying their 5 minutes of e-fame.
I suppose any final decision by CCP is up to a bunch of people who frankly dont give a rats ass about EVE aside from how much RL money it makes them, and the shareholders may see the bad publicity hurting their bottom line. |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:35:00 -
[150] - Quote
Voith wrote:The Mittani you're an idiot for apologizing.
It won't stop people from doxing or harassing you. The opposition has nothing to do with what you said and everything to do with who you are a successful member of the CSM and a goon.
Actions of that sort are very ill-advised. |
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Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
78
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:35:00 -
[151] - Quote
I'm a Raiden/PL/NCDot alt and I also demand Mittens step down as chairman of the CSM! I demand it because he doesn't have respect, honor, or the interests of the common players at heart. He said some terribad mean things and THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US BEING MAD AT THE TITAN NERF |
Lord Grantham
Downton Endeavours
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:35:00 -
[152] - Quote
Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure.
Let's also keep in mind this isn't a young person but a grown adult in his mid 30s.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:35:00 -
[153] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:there's no joke there, hes just stating how bad this in fact could be for Mittens
"I could kill myself and he'd get in trouble j/k" is the very definition of a joke. Either way it shows that he isn't even 1/1000th bothered by this as your average forums publord. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:35:00 -
[154] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Venus Vermillion wrote:Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. He's waiting for you to resign first, D3. You're the one who actually violated the rules, he just did something he feels bad about... he admits it... but you... +1 Darius version 3 is still the worst. How did he get there again?
I voted for him. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Fierceshot
Fierce Recon
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:36:00 -
[155] - Quote
It takes a huge pair to to give such an apology after this debacle.
Respect. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:36:00 -
[156] - Quote
Ceptia Cyna wrote:Quote:"Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [redacted]," Alex said, adding that "he has his own corp. Find him." linkAbet to cyberbullying with the intend to cause a real life suicide.Really that reads just GREAT for a lawyer. Well it does not. Maybe you should explain this to your law firm before they find out by a thrid party? Is this maybe even a crime in your state? Oh and nice writeup, but not very convincing as we all know honesty isn't your strong side is it?
Go **** yourself, shitposting pubbie ******. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:36:00 -
[157] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Dar Saleem wrote:insincere apology = fake apology.
It only counts as sincere if he actually resigns from the CSM like he indicated on his twitter. Thats why its not face value for me right now.
Like I told you on twitter, you are stupid.
Period.
Full stop. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
373
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:36:00 -
[158] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Dar Saleem wrote:insincere apology = fake apology.
It only counts as sincere if he actually resigns from the CSM like he indicated on his twitter. Thats why its not face value for me right now.
He was being sarcastic you obsessed freakjob. |
Pandi V
Plantains
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:36:00 -
[159] - Quote
The Mittani is a douche. You're not. Anyone with a sense of perspective know how much work you've done for EVE and its players (goons and pubbies alike).
Really hope you don't have to resign
/respect Mittens
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:36:00 -
[160] - Quote
Also, you misspelled "Rogue". It's not that hard. |
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Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:36:00 -
[161] - Quote
Well, this thread degraded quite rapidly. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Neotin Nahrain
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:36:00 -
[162] - Quote
If you resign over this - the trolls gonna win. Don't let them ! Stay and do better deeds then resign and let trolls do mans job.
Btw the usa president has noble prize for peace ... who are you to resign over a coment , when he wages 3 wars ... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1456
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:36:00 -
[163] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn. ahahahaha get out jade
Why exactly do you disagree with what I have written here?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:37:00 -
[164] - Quote
Berke Negri wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. Not empty quoting. Cripes. Not empty quoting a quote of a quote of a quote of a quote
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
192
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:37:00 -
[165] - Quote
Alex- it's just a game. Spend more time with RL friends and family. All this metagamming stuff you do isn't worth the damage that it is taking on you privately, even if you wouldn't admit that publicly.
The recent events have shown that it's no longer a game for you. You've assumed and immersed yourself into the online persona that you have meticulously built up over all these years. And I think you should consider your priorities both in game and in life now.
Please consider stepping down. Not just for the game and the community but for your own welfare. For any human being to do what was done on Thursday really does show that it's no longer "just a game". . |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:37:00 -
[166] - Quote
Literally the only reason this was blown out of proportion is because he's CEO of Goonswarm.
That's it. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
373
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:37:00 -
[167] - Quote
RoyalV wrote:A great apology from a great person!
CEO of Space. Proudly giving you your first +1 Like, btw. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:37:00 -
[168] - Quote
So, Mittens, did CCP directly say "apologize or lose your position" or did you figure that out all by yourself?
After all, the long delay between action and apology makes only the truly, truly stupid actually believe that you are sorry. |
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy Caldari State
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:37:00 -
[169] - Quote
Lord Grantham wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. Let's also keep in mind this isn't a young person but a grown adult in his mid 30s. This is more important than anything Mittens did. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
200
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:38:00 -
[170] - Quote
I really fucking hope this is a troll |
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Ni Cho
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:38:00 -
[171] - Quote
Cromwell Savage wrote:Meh....words are just that...words.
Meaningless and empty.
Let us know when you really take responsibility for your actions and resign.
So, by your own definition, what Mittens did was just words. **** you are dumb. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
88
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:38:00 -
[172] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:[quote=Marcus Shamonomonom]I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. there's no joke there, hes just stating how bad this in fact could be for Mittens
ARE YOU SERIOUS? DID YOU MISS THIS PART:
Quote: [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought.
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Rokkit Kween
Rokkit's Runners
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:38:00 -
[173] - Quote
+1 Don't resign over this. What you said was foolish and you have admitted as much, you are too valuable a member of the CSM to lose. Over 10,000 players want you where you are. I'm one of them and I forgive you, I'm pretty sure others will do too.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:38:00 -
[174] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn. ahahahaha get out jade Why exactly do you disagree with what I have written here?
Probably the part where you speak for the entire playerbase. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:38:00 -
[175] - Quote
I just don't know if someone with a soul patch is really what you want representing your Icelandic Space Governement. |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:38:00 -
[176] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn. ahahahaha get out jade Why exactly do you disagree with what I have written here? I said if you posted again I would kill myself.
NOW LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oep4mRpmrkQ |
Zendon Taredi
ZT Bank
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:38:00 -
[177] - Quote
Well, that's a good start. A little humility goes a long way. |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
174
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:38:00 -
[178] - Quote
Maybe you will come away from this a bit wiser. |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:39:00 -
[179] - Quote
Way to step up and be a man. Saying your sorry when you do something wrong is what being a man is about.
Now if your sheep would get a clue.
So Ladie Harlot, even Mittani knows he was wrong, how stupid do you look for saying he did nothing wrong over and over today. how priceless that your dear leader threw you under the bus. |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:39:00 -
[180] - Quote
Ni Cho wrote:Minabunny wrote:Die in a fire. This person just said he wanted him to DIE in a FIRE. /me runs screaming
So if that really happens, can he be prossecuted as well? Such is the internet!
Seriously, this is a videogame. |
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:39:00 -
[181] - Quote
Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.
You are the most hypocritcal person on the CSM. Bravo. Go break the NDA over this.
Anyway, so far my prediction is true... apology, but not stepping down. Well - done.
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ps3ud0nym
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
76
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:39:00 -
[182] - Quote
Good appology. That took quite a bit of balls to make and admit when you make mistakes even more not to blame it on intoxication.
Don't resign, people do stupid **** all the time and your comments weren't such that a resignation is an appropriate response in this instance. You ate your crow and apologised, the dude involved is good with that and that should be the end of it.
However, I don't think that this should be the end of the conversation regarding how we act towards people outside of EVE. It seems that quite a few people really don't agree with your assessment of your comments and can't seem to recognize the distinction between in-game and out of it. |
Sasha Khaine
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:39:00 -
[183] - Quote
I don't drink a lot myself and these are precisely the reasons why I don't.
I would think that being someone as large of an influence within the game, you would have behaved more maturely. Heading to CCP's event and representing not only yourself but your corp/alliance mates and the game community as a whole with your CSM position you have really let a lot of people down. I don't know if your corp mates agree or disagree with what you did (reading some posts quite a few support it regardless of your apology) but for me at least I feel a line has been crossed.
Whilst it is good of you to apologise, I feel the damage has already been done. CCP has a major game coming out soon and your actions have no doubt pissed them off something rotten. Now they have to deal with the media, possible police inquiry's and other legal bits of business because of your actions.
Don't get me wrong, I don't view you as a monster and I understand what can happen when you have had a lot to drink but I feel that you just let a lot of people down. I don't want to see you banned, I want to see you put it right and this is a step in the right direction. So I wish you the best of luck in the upcoming months because you will no doubt have to deal with a lot of regret.
- Sasha Khaine
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
76
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
[184] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn. ahahahaha get out jade Why exactly do you disagree with what I have written here?
The part where you tried to be relevant. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1097
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
[185] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Real Mittani above, scared Mittani in the OP CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
[186] - Quote
and i'm just going to leave this here...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
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Sarina Berghil
New Zion Judge Advocate
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
[187] - Quote
Anyone can feel on top on the world while drunk, but it takes real balls to own up to it and write an apology like that. That is a commendable act
Eve is place with rough humour, rough loving and a lot of rivalries. That is how it should be. But contrary to marketing messages, Eve is not real. Eve is divided from reality by a blurry line, sometimes maybe too blurry. Internet spaceships are not real but words are, and those words can be taken too far
I hope people will use this event to consider where the blurry line goes. Because this event is merely a symptom of a culture within Eve. |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6561
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
[188] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan.
I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though. The Mittani, CSM7: Vote Here - One EVE. One Vote. One Chairman
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1456
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
[189] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Lord Grantham wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. Let's also keep in mind this isn't a young person but a grown adult in his mid 30s. This is more important than anything Mittens did.
The thing that goonswarm posters need to understand is that endlessly reposting this chatlog is really an example of the way this particular player was singled out by the Chairman of the CSM for humiliation and abuse in the medium of Fanfest alliance panel. You should really let it go.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
LtTysander
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
[190] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. Not empty quoting.
**** you pubbie sperg lords |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
373
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
[191] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:So, Mittens, did CCP directly say "apologize or lose your position" or did you figure that out all by yourself?
After all, the long delay between action and apology makes only the truly, truly stupid actually believe that you are sorry.
Or, if you aren't a shitheaded Pubbie sockpuppet, you could realize that he blacked out later in the night and didn't remember the event until he saw the video.
I know, I know, it's far more fun to picture Mittani as this nefarious cartoon villain, twirling a handlebar mustache, but it turns out that Alex is just a guy -- a really awesome, very classy, highly intelligent guy, but just a guy.
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Methusela
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:40:00 -
[192] - Quote
Mittens I have no reason to like you.
That being said you were drunk. We all say stupid ****. Kid is fine.
Even he sees the funny side which I frankly find amazing.
All of you drama queens should just chill. |
Tyrone Cashmoney
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:41:00 -
[193] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, You know what to do.
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Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
180
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
[194] - Quote
Not seen this one quoted: The Wis
Also...
In B4 - "What you do, not what you say...", etc... |
Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
[195] - Quote
I am no Goon fan and I don't agree with a lot of what you advocate as a member of the CSM, but I am impressed with this post. The man behind The Mittani has acquitted himself well.
You may, however want to reel in Ladie Harlo. He/She really does make you guys look like sociopaths. |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
[196] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Real Mittani above, scared Mittani in the OP
How's NA life these days?
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Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
237
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
[197] - Quote
+1
I am satisfied. Stand up move Mitts.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
373
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
[198] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Real Mittani above, scared Mittani in the OP
And yet, you being a dipshit remains a constant. |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
[199] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though.
Regardless, everyone has done stupid things when alcohol is involved, you're still a good leader.. Regardless on what happens im pretty sure you will make the right decision regardless |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
76
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:42:00 -
[200] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Real Mittani above, scared Mittani in the OP
Despite your CSM tag, you're not relevant either. |
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Captain Trousers
Thunderwaffles Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
[201] - Quote
I will be starting up a new group internal to Goonswarm to directly deal with this issue. We will be getting together for a meeting discussing this topic and whether or not it was appropriate, and then we will all commit seppuku live on webcams IRL out of shame. |
John Maynard Keynes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
[202] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
- Step one, apologize profusely. Done!
- Step two, resign. ......
- Step three, send all my isk to the victim. ......
P.S: It is actually not necessary to resign after this sincere apology, but since you have announced it, you must do it...
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Jim Luc
Rule of Five
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
[203] - Quote
PAGE TEN! |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
[204] - Quote
So next time someone tells me to DIAF i can just say i'm suicidal and become spacerich? awesome. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1456
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
[205] - Quote
corestwo wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn. ahahahaha get out jade Why exactly do you disagree with what I have written here? The part where you tried to be relevant.
Are we on this "relevancy" thing again. Really grow up and come back when you have something constructive to say.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
[206] - Quote
How much ISK was it? |
Liam Mirren
362
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
[207] - Quote
Sincere tears of guilt from a goon, like anyone is going to believe that. CCP needs to deal with this decisively. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:43:00 -
[208] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Real Mittani above, scared Mittani in the OP
Look at you.
Look at how wrong you are.
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:44:00 -
[209] - Quote
Awaiting Step 2. Else this is another meh.
Nothing clever at this time. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:44:00 -
[210] - Quote
Twulf wrote: So Ladie Harlot, even Mittani knows he was wrong, how stupid do you look for saying he did nothing wrong over and over today. how priceless that your dear leader threw you under the bus.
I've noticed that we are already 10 pages in and no response from his girlfriend who has been defending him all day. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
96
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:44:00 -
[211] - Quote
Well ... first step done.
But still ... as soon as you are drunken it's not "just a game" anymore as you, in real, cloned your EVE-alter-ego. And with this EVE became very real ... to real!
Will it be enough? CCP has to decide ;). Bad press is online allready.
/.. 100% subjective and my personal belive: No way to stay as CSM at all. Not only not as Chairman but no CSM member too (to much bad press allready). Ban would be to much. Sorry dude, you fall over your own (drunken) feet. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
52
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:44:00 -
[212] - Quote
Most forced and dishonest apology EVER!
I believed him alot more when he said "Deal with it". |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
556
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:44:00 -
[213] - Quote
Re: LOL
From: EnderCapitalG To: Darius III
Uhhhh okay?
This warranted sending me an evemail, why?
LOL From: Darius III Sent: 2012.03.27 00:43 To: EnderCapitalG
Keep posting that, never mind that Devs said there never was ANY NDA conversation leaked...
Mittani will have to step down, I will think of you when he does. LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHA enjoying your rage as I sit on CSM7 |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
139
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:45:00 -
[214] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though.
Naaaa, dont do it. even if conceived as a publicity stunt. |
Mr M
Agony Unleashed
143
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:45:00 -
[215] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. You are the most hypocritcal person on the CSM. Bravo. Go break the NDA over this. Anyway, so far my prediction is true... apology, but not stepping down. Well - done.
~ 1282 ~
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:45:00 -
[216] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Literally the only reason this was blown out of proportion is because he's CEO of Goonswarm.
That's it.
I have a horrible feeling this may well be true.
It would not excuse in any way what mittens said, but it is the most likely explanation for the massive reaction to the unfortunate event. |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:45:00 -
[217] - Quote
werd |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
77
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:45:00 -
[218] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:corestwo wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn. ahahahaha get out jade Why exactly do you disagree with what I have written here? The part where you tried to be relevant. Are we on this "relevancy" thing again. Really grow up and come back when you have something constructive to say.
I'm not even sure if you actually ran but if you did you didn't get enough votes to matter. That makes your thinly veiled "Hey guys I want to be chairman" post something that will never happen, and that makes you irrelevant. |
Araviel
Spiritus Draconis
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:45:00 -
[219] - Quote
Thanks for the apology Alex. and i am glad as it seems your waking up. It felt so screwed up to see you falling in the same pot as the people you use to mock that cant separate RL and in game.. |
Sendo Jarix
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:46:00 -
[220] - Quote
Pandi V wrote:The Mittani is a douche. You're not. Anyone with a sense of perspective know how much work you've done for EVE and its players (goons and pubbies alike). Really hope you don't have to resign /respect Mittens
I just want to quote this post so it doesn't get lost in the sea of posts from people who can't differentiate between the game and real life and think this is a troll or fake apology. |
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Midge Mo'yb
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:46:00 -
[221] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:corestwo wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn. ahahahaha get out jade Why exactly do you disagree with what I have written here? The part where you tried to be relevant. Are we on this "relevancy" thing again. Really grow up and come back when you have something constructive to say.
come back when you stop using sweeping statements to speak for the "Playerbase". |
Revii Lagoon
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:46:00 -
[222] - Quote
Mittens is still a fkn wizard |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
112
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:46:00 -
[223] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though.
I agree, and it would also be a good gesture of trust.
You'll still be the CSM of my heart~ I'll buy you a drink next year. |
Ceptia Cyna
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:46:00 -
[224] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
Yeah right!
A really good post made by you when writing this sincere apology. Oh wait... |
Zwo Zateki
Zwo Zateki Corporation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:46:00 -
[225] - Quote
XavierVE wrote:Sang-in Tiers wrote:Is he trolling or is he not... He had a wizard hat on while talking about "The Wiz", coincidence? His apology isn't a troll, but it's not sincere either. The initial reaction of "deal with it" was much more in line with what he'd like to say. He didn't realize how far this would blow up in terms of it being covered by mainstream gaming sites and figures this meandering apology will preserve his chairmanship and his account. Knowing how CCP loves to cover for their golden boys, he's probably right. this |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:46:00 -
[226] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Re: LOL
From: EnderCapitalG To: Darius III
Uhhhh okay?
This warranted sending me an evemail, why?
LOL From: Darius III Sent: 2012.03.27 00:43 To: EnderCapitalG
Keep posting that, never mind that Devs said there never was ANY NDA conversation leaked...
Mittani will have to step down, I will think of you when he does. LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHA enjoying your rage as I sit on CSM7
Nothing that the devs can prove. But we know better. Oh yes we do. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:47:00 -
[227] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Re: LOL
From: EnderCapitalG To: Darius III
Uhhhh okay?
This warranted sending me an evemail, why?
LOL From: Darius III Sent: 2012.03.27 00:43 To: EnderCapitalG
Keep posting that, never mind that Devs said there never was ANY NDA conversation leaked...
Mittani will have to step down, I will think of you when he does. LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHA enjoying your rage as I sit on CSM7
Uhhh, we still have Vile Rat. Is he on drugs? |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:47:00 -
[228] - Quote
Reminder that Darius III broke his NDA by sending confidential CSM information to a 3rd party eve fan site. |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:47:00 -
[229] - Quote
I'd hate to see you resign, Mittani. You've done a bang-up job in the role of helping the CSM and CCP make EVE a better game, and I'd love to see another year of that. |
Darronis Olachenko
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:47:00 -
[230] - Quote
John Maynard Keynes wrote:
Horribly off-topic, but your name reminded me of an awesome video (for econ geeks anyways).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0nERTFo-Sk
EDIT: I fail at quoting. |
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:47:00 -
[231] - Quote
Xython wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:So, Mittens, did CCP directly say "apologize or lose your position" or did you figure that out all by yourself?
After all, the long delay between action and apology makes only the truly, truly stupid actually believe that you are sorry. Or, if you aren't a shitheaded Pubbie sockpuppet, you could realize that he blacked out later in the night and didn't remember the event until he saw the video. I know, I know, it's far more fun to picture Mittani as this nefarious cartoon villain, twirling a handlebar mustache, but it turns out that Alex is just a guy -- a really awesome, very classy, highly intelligent guy, but just a guy.
So it WAS just the alcohol! So not a real apology either, is what you are saying?
And nobody told him about it until today!
Wow, the truth is stranger than fiction! |
Durr Hurrr Durr
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:47:00 -
[232] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Real Mittani above, scared Mittani in the OP
Why so mad darius? Oh wait ~1282 votes~ TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
Katsami
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:48:00 -
[233] - Quote
The admittedly harsh comments made while someone was drunk gives us full and justifiable reason enough to run him into the ground.
You people are just as bad if not worse and thoroughly disgust me. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
129
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:48:00 -
[234] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Literally the only reason this was blown out of proportion is because he's CEO of Goonswarm.
That's it.
Funny that almost all of the hate is coming from entities who tend to be at the receiving end of our spacepixelguns. |
Tergerom Loregeron
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:48:00 -
[235] - Quote
Dez Affinity wrote:I just don't know if someone with a soul patch is really what you want representing your Icelandic Space Governement.
Maybe someone who represents under .5% of the population is more their style. Sounds right |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:48:00 -
[236] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Re: LOL
From: EnderCapitalG To: Darius III
Uhhhh okay?
This warranted sending me an evemail, why?
LOL From: Darius III Sent: 2012.03.27 00:43 To: EnderCapitalG
Keep posting that, never mind that Devs said there never was ANY NDA conversation leaked...
Mittani will have to step down, I will think of you when he does. LOL LOL LOL HAHAHAHA enjoying your rage as I sit on CSM7 Uhhh, we still have Vile Rat. Is he on drugs?
Not anymore allegedly. I don't believe it. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:48:00 -
[237] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn. ahahahaha get out jade Why exactly do you disagree with what I have written here?
I for one support Jade as CSM chair. Turning the CSM into a giant space brothel can only help it's credibility imo. |
Tyrone Cashmoney
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:49:00 -
[238] - Quote
The Mittani seems to be feeling pretty bad about the whole thing, I think we should put him on suicide watch. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:49:00 -
[239] - Quote
Real Darius III here ladies and gentlemen:
LOL
From: Darius III To: Ice Fist INBOX Remove Label
Keep saying that there was NDA breach when devs said clearly there never was. I will continue enjoying your impotent rage as I sit on CSM6, 7 and 8. Toodles. Mittani will be out in 24 hours, bet?
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DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:49:00 -
[240] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
Im sry but i believe this statement more then you apology
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5800
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:49:00 -
[241] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Literally the only reason this was blown out of proportion is because he's CEO of Goonswarm.
That's it. I have a horrible feeling this may well be true. It would not excuse in any way what mittens said, but it is the most likely explanation for the massive reaction to the unfortunate event. GǪespecially since the reaction was delayed by three days until it was clear that the CSM had a goon chair once again.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Tyrone Cashmoney
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:49:00 -
[242] - Quote
p.s. this thread is killing me |
Rashino Zea
Universal Freelance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:50:00 -
[243] - Quote
Posting to confirm vote for The Mittani
CSM 8
YES WE CAN |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
203
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:50:00 -
[244] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though.
There ya have it. Folks. |
DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:50:00 -
[245] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Real Darius III here ladies and gentlemen:
LOL
From: Darius III To: Ice Fist INBOX Remove Label
Keep saying that there was NDA breach when devs said clearly there never was. I will continue enjoying your impotent rage as I sit on CSM6, 7 and 8. Toodles. Mittani will be out in 24 hours, bet?
no matter how hard you guys try, this is not about Darius but about Mittens and hes tasteless behavior |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
483
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:50:00 -
[246] - Quote
Methusela wrote:Mittens I have no reason to like you.
That being said you were drunk. We all say stupid ****. Kid is fine.
Even he sees the funny side which I frankly find amazing.
All of you drama queens should just chill. This ^
All of it.
This has been blown way out of proportion. Some of you guys have totally lost it. I think internet spaceships are a serious a biz as anyone, but wtf... it's still internet spaceships. Relax, take a deep breath, and go pod yourselves. People say stupid **** drunk all the time, myself included. I can separate the dbaggery I engage in while playing eve from RL... but I've never hung out with other eve people and while I sometimes drunk post on the forums those transgressions of character are easy to ignore because I'm only Gogela.
The apology is fine. Who cares anyway? Whether or not there was an EULA or TOS violation is up to CCP to determine and nothing changes what was done... but in principal from what I gathered its not that big a deal just tasteless. Let up already. I'd rather talk internet spaceships and these stupid treads are burring the useful stuff.
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Krutoj
xSPECNAZx
54
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:51:00 -
[247] - Quote
Am surprised Alex got into **** about some drunk stunt he pulled off at the appropriate place for it. As far as the footage goes, it could have went up with the name being covered up and beeped, seeing as it somewhat violated privacy or something.
I frankly dont see what Alex did wrong, if I would believe every person who claimed to be suicidle on the Internet, to be true, well that just makes the numbers close to population of New Zealand.
And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:51:00 -
[248] - Quote
Sendo Jarix wrote:Pandi V wrote:The Mittani is a douche. You're not. Anyone with a sense of perspective know how much work you've done for EVE and its players (goons and pubbies alike). Really hope you don't have to resign /respect Mittens I just want to quote this post so it doesn't get lost in the sea of posts from people who can't differentiate between the game and real life and think this is a troll or fake apology.
since he postet AS THE real person that apology, you goons should stop posting and let it work the way it will, or not
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DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:52:00 -
[249] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though. There ya have it. Folks.
actually that's the first step towards lets see, i might do it. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1323
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:52:00 -
[250] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Sir,
This post was exactly the right thing to do.
You again have my support as chairman of CSM 7. I look forward to working with you.
Issler Dainze CSM 7 Member
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:52:00 -
[251] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:Am surprised Alex got into **** about some drunk stunt he pulled off at the oppropriate place for it. As far as the footage goes, it could have went up with the name being covered up and beeped, seeing as it somewhat violated privacy or something.
I frankly dont see what Alex did wrong, if I would believe every person who claimed to be suecidle on the Internet, to be true, well that just makes the numbers close to population of New Zealand.
And just like the church, I disapprove of any suecidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales. well thenn ... seek professional help , noone here can help you
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1458
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:52:00 -
[252] - Quote
corestwo wrote:I'm not even sure if you actually ran but if you did you didn't get enough votes to matter. That makes your thinly veiled "Hey guys I want to be chairman" post something that will never happen, and that makes you irrelevant.
Been there done it got the tee-shirt (well commemorative ingame medal really) and as a protip for forum argumentation its probably best for random goon frother number 1004 to throw around accusations of irrelevancy unless you've previous won the CSM elections and been chair yourself.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Sing Xing
Steel Sun Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:53:00 -
[253] - Quote
I can barely tell what's worse, The Mittani being a huge inappropriate douche on stage or people (people on the CSM even!) trying to take advantage of it for their own politcal agendas. Jesus christ, it's like a complete ******** convention, everyone are ******** egomaniacal turds. |
Liam Mirren
364
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:53:00 -
[254] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Literally the only reason this was blown out of proportion is because he's CEO of Goonswarm.
That's it. I have a horrible feeling this may well be true. It would not excuse in any way what mittens said, but it is the most likely explanation for the massive reaction to the unfortunate event. GǪespecially since the reaction was delayed by three days until it was clear that the CSM had a goon chair once again.
I think it's more a case of the majority of folks not having the time to watch the live feeds, and it not being on CCP youtube channel yet. They're now catching on and realising what happened.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
560
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:53:00 -
[255] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:Am surprised Alex got into **** about some drunk stunt he pulled off at the appropriate place for it. As far as the footage goes, it could have went up with the name being covered up and beeped, seeing as it somewhat violated privacy or something.
I frankly dont see what Alex did wrong, if I would believe every person who claimed to be suicidle on the Internet, to be true, well that just makes the numbers close to population of New Zealand.
And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales.
I love you Krutoj |
ps3ud0nym
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
76
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:53:00 -
[256] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though.
NO. You made a mistake and you are making amends for it. While I am the first one to talk about how perception is reality and that you have to avoid the appearance of impropriety, this situation has NOT escalated to the point where that is an appropriate responce. Had the person taken action on his threat: yes. Had he actually been upset or effected by your comments.. also yes. But that isn't the situation you are currently in. What is left is that you made some generally socially unacceptable comments, for which you have apologised deeply. Unless CCP is demanding your head on a platter, I think that resigning is an extreme action and inappropriate at this point in your mandate to say the least.
Stop, take a step back, take a day or two and let this **** calm down (IE: you to calm down). If you still feel that resigning is the only appropriate response and your presence as the head of the CSM will only further hard CCP or EVE.. THEN resign. Right now you are making an emotional and grand gesture which is nothing more than just that, a gesture. Manning up also means taking your lumps and continuing on.
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Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:53:00 -
[257] - Quote
Tyrone Cashmoney wrote:The Mittani seems to be feeling pretty bad about the whole thing, I think we should put him on suicide watch.
im reading every post
(never stop posting) |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:53:00 -
[258] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Real Darius III here ladies and gentlemen:
LOL
From: Darius III To: Ice Fist INBOX Remove Label
Keep saying that there was NDA breach when devs said clearly there never was. I will continue enjoying your impotent rage as I sit on CSM6, 7 and 8. Toodles. Mittani will be out in 24 hours, bet?
no matter how hard you guys try, this is not about Darius but about Mittens and hes tasteless behavior
Darius is still a moron for leaking stuff :/
The Mittani for CSM7, 8, 9, 10 |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
112
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:54:00 -
[259] - Quote
Welp, I think as long as Mittens stays in the Icelandair 7, the CSM will do fine. |
Celina Gam
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:54:00 -
[260] - Quote
Shade Severii wrote:I love how Mittani doesn't think he's a sociopath....its hilarious
They dont know them selves... because they are allways better than others = no self insight :) |
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Ohh Yeah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:54:00 -
[261] - Quote
Krutoj wrote: I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales.
Often times suicidal tendencies are brought about by severe depression.
You can't simply decide "oh I have depression, I shouldn't kill myself" when those thoughts start to invade your head.
If you have evidence to the contrary, please write it down and collect your Nobel Prize. |
Astro Jones
AJ Corp
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:54:00 -
[262] - Quote
Tiger woods went from hero to zero overnight...hows it feel? I don't know you or could give two ***** what your people do, the fact that EVE encourages grief is the real problem...your just a dumb kid and there is no excuse for them. |
Schwa Nuts
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:54:00 -
[263] - Quote
This is seriously the most phony stupid controversy I have ever seen. |
Rashino Zea
Universal Freelance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:55:00 -
[264] - Quote
Posted by The Wis in jita
Quote:The Wis > He did Apologize to me and he did send me what he said was all his isks.. Total being 10709903935.14 But I also wonder why the goons have been moving into my system and setting up camp.
10 Billion isk isn't going to save him from the goons wrath |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:55:00 -
[265] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:corestwo wrote:I'm not even sure if you actually ran but if you did you didn't get enough votes to matter. That makes your thinly veiled "Hey guys I want to be chairman" post something that will never happen, and that makes you irrelevant. Been there done it got the tee-shirt (well commemorative ingame medal really) and as a protip for forum argumentation its probably best for random goon frother number 1004 to avoid throwing around accusations of irrelevancy unless you've previously won the CSM elections and been chair yourself.
I bet you Larp about it all the time. |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
78
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:55:00 -
[266] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:corestwo wrote:I'm not even sure if you actually ran but if you did you didn't get enough votes to matter. That makes your thinly veiled "Hey guys I want to be chairman" post something that will never happen, and that makes you irrelevant. Been there done it got the tee-shirt (well commemorative ingame medal really) and as a protip for forum argumentation its probably best for random goon frother number 1004 to avoid throwing around accusations of irrelevancy unless you've previously won the CSM elections and been chair yourself.
A doctor doesn't have to get cancer to diagnose cancer.
Just sayin'. |
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:55:00 -
[267] - Quote
I saw thread after thread on this forum about people being rude, loud, foul mouthed and just plain childish.
What makes you above all that?
Don't sweat it Bro. I wouldn't. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:56:00 -
[268] - Quote
I approve. Don't resign you glorious bastard. |
Jita Bloodtear
Bloodtear Labs
83
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:56:00 -
[269] - Quote
As an alt of PL/Raiden/NCDot I also went out and created manufactured rage for all the electronic sheep out there by contacting every single online news site I could to create bad publicity for CCP over this. Although only a handful of the thousands out there took my bait, it was enough for me to create circular links and feedback from these forums to give credibility to the story. But I'm definitely only doing this because of my moral superiority (even though the victim doesn't mind), and not as metagaming revenge because titans are getting nerfed and I blame Mittens. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
200
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:56:00 -
[270] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Im sry but i believe this statement more then you apology
That's ok, he's not sorry either
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Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
89
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:56:00 -
[271] - Quote
Tergerom Loregeron wrote:Dez Affinity wrote:I just don't know if someone with a soul patch is really what you want representing your Icelandic Space Governement. Maybe someone who represents under .5% of the population is more their style. Sounds right
Apparently it is.
We have 2 CSM.
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:56:00 -
[272] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Real Darius III here ladies and gentlemen:
LOL
From: Darius III To: Ice Fist INBOX Remove Label
Keep saying that there was NDA breach when devs said clearly there never was. I will continue enjoying your impotent rage as I sit on CSM6, 7 and 8. Toodles. Mittani will be out in 24 hours, bet?
no matter how hard you guys try, this is not about Darius but about Mittens and hes tasteless behavior
Point conceded. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to point out when another CSM rep does something ********, especially when he's claiming the moral high ground, in spite of his hypocritical track record of breaking legally binding agreements. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
99
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:57:00 -
[273] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales. With the two first points of your post I could live.
But this one, sorry, is fail! Calling mental instable people "selfish" ... dude, you are realy close. Realy realy close! Don't copy made mistakes! Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
465
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:57:00 -
[274] - Quote
F##king hell Krutoj, don't pour more petrol on this fire.
This isn't a debate about whether he was right or wrong, Alex realised he did something stupid and is apologising for it. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Mcrager
Legio Geminatus Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:57:00 -
[275] - Quote
I was on the internet last night and some guy told me to kill myself while i was playing cod , i want an article too!!
Mittens was drunk , and in Iceland, he made a drunken Icelandic comment, the guy is fine, i don't see what the deal is besides media wanting attention by putting "CYBER BULLYING!!11!1!!!" as a headline. |
Win Sui
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:57:00 -
[276] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. Not empty quoting.
Quick someone check on the victim! Oh. Right.
This whole "scandal" is ******* stupid.
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:57:00 -
[277] - Quote
Astro Jones wrote:Tiger woods went from hero to zero overnight...hows it feel? I don't know you or could give two ***** what your people do, the fact that EVE encourages grief is the real problem...your just a dumb kid and there is no excuse for them.
quoting the cyno alt of a titan pilot |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
237
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:57:00 -
[278] - Quote
Aiden Andraste wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. So what does the community think of this?
Nothing...thats a priviate in game conversation. Mits went on live TV. BIGGGGGG difference. |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:57:00 -
[279] - Quote
"Waah, I was drunk, pleese forgive me".
As a former lawyer would you not rip that arguement apart in court ?
Your conduct was not befitting of one who apparently represents the community.
CCP need to act and rid us of this pompous jester who clearly believes he is above the rules of the game. |
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
108
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:57:00 -
[280] - Quote
If you'll now just apologize for not being funny, we can all forget the whole thing.
This was just Alex's 'Michael Richards' moment. He was bombing and so to generate a few laughs tried for some shock value. Nobody in the room reacted negatively because it was just Alex being Alex.
This apology is utterly phony, but it was well written. |
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Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:58:00 -
[281] - Quote
F off loser. GTFO of the game. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1045
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:58:00 -
[282] - Quote
Lets see what he posts on those 'other' sites forums.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Kyle Valentine
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:58:00 -
[283] - Quote
Only "Live an let die". What you feel now is only the "ransom of glory". That's why a good "evil overlord" must be hidden, too much light and it's over.
But now I feel the urge to go to Iceland and being drunk. I'm really worse than you when I'm drunk.
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Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
97
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:58:00 -
[284] - Quote
Disclaimer: I drink, I often go out and party, I'm 34, I ocasionally get drunk (not crawiling drunk, I stop at my known limit except something really bad happens I can't control which happened already) and I'm perfectly aware of what alcool causes on a human being.
Anyone can say whatever they want, the scientific fact is drinking causes Disinhibition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinhibition often led to the revealing of the true self when you get free of your social/ethical bounds; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inebriated
What worries me, and made me loose all my respect over your, regardless of your apology (which would be mandatory nevertheless if you were a responsable person, which you showed you are already, for that, aplaud) in my eyes, the eyes of someone like you, I like to party and get's Inebriated quite often, I would never, ever do so before presenting a panel to a bunch of people, strangers of close friends, it simply shows an utter lack of respect for the people who went to attend your panel and a huge lack of responsability, something you should have given your age and profession.
Things like this can overflow to your real life (considering your profession here), more reasons to have half a brain and think twice beforehand when getting conviniently 'social'.
Your behaviour in that video shows a disinhibited human being, able to say things he probably thinks of, but his ethical and social bounds don't let him to.
You know very well what a real politicion would do if something similar would happen in real life. And as much as we like to think this is a game, your position is not a game, you play with real responsabilities, coroporate resources and planing, real people can be influenced over your influence, and you're an expense to a corportation that in the end our money is paying, so, I leave it to you to 'HTFU' as many like to say, and do what you deep down think you deserve.
Best regards, |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 00:59:00 -
[285] - Quote
The Massively article was a pubbie ploy to get you to resign, don't do it The Mittani.
Politicians apologize and keep on trucking all the time. There is no need to apologize. |
Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
138
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:00:00 -
[286] - Quote
Chairman of my heart! |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
207
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:00:00 -
[287] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:Disclaimer: I drink, I often go out and party, I'm 34, I ocasionally get drunk (not crawiling drunk, I stop at my known limit except something really bad happens I can't control which happened already) and I'm perfectly aware of what alcool causes on a human being. Anyone can say whatever they want, the scientific fact is drinking causes Disinhibition http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinhibition often led to the revealing of the true self when you get free of your social/ethical bounds; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InebriatedWhat worries me, and made me loose all my respect over your, regardless of your apology (which would be mandatory nevertheless if you were a responsable person, which you showed you are already, for that, aplaud) in my eyes, the eyes of someone like you, I like to party and get's Inebriated quite often, I would never, ever do so before presenting a panel to a bunch of people, strangers of close friends, it simply shows an utter lack of respect for the people who went to attend your panel and a huge lack of responsability, something you should have given your age and profession. Things like this can overflow to your real life (considering your profession here), more reasons to have half a brain and think twice beforehand when getting conviniently 'social'. Your behaviour in that video shows a disinhibited human being, able to say things he probably thinks of, but his ethical and social bounds don't let him to. You know very well what a real politicion would do if something similar would happen in real life. And as much as we like to think this is a game, your position is not a game, you play with real responsabilities, coroporate resources and planing, real people can be influenced over your influence, and you're an expense to a corportation that in the end our money is paying, so, I leave it to you to 'HTFU' as many like to say, and do what you deep down think you deserve. Best regards,
newsflash, EVERY human being is a douche when disinhibited. From preachers to popes, from kings to bums.
yes, you too have a douche inside when not being restrained by /nurtured/ social mechanics.
That's just human nature. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:00:00 -
[288] - Quote
AkJon Ferguson wrote:If you'll now just apologize for not being funny, we can all forget the whole thing. This was just Alex's ' Michael Richards' moment. He was bombing and so to generate a few laughs tried for some shock value. Nobody in the room reacted negatively because it was just Alex being Alex. This apology is utterly phony, but it was well written.
Comparing this to Michael Richards incident is beyond dumb. So dumb. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:00:00 -
[289] - Quote
I didn't realise there were so many psychics playing Eve until I saw all these posts stating, with absolute certainty, that the apology isn't sincere. Could one of you please clue me in as to what Friday's lottery numbers will be, please?
As for those of you telling Mittani to die in a fire, wasn't Helicity banned for saying exactly that to a GM? I hope they'll treat you all the same way. Of course, if they do, that'll be some goon conspiracy, rather than even-handed application of the rules. |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:00:00 -
[290] - Quote
**** you, GTFO.
Took ya this long? PLEASE this whole post is full of ****, if ya ment it you would have said it way before. |
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:01:00 -
[291] - Quote
10.7 bil, that's one damned lucky suicidal guy
stepping down would be ******** (since elise isn't nr2) |
Katsami
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:01:00 -
[292] - Quote
Everyone is a white knight it seems. |
Carneros
The Vehement
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:01:00 -
[293] - Quote
I am old and wise IRL. I think I know an authentic apology when I see one and this is such a thing.
Surprising, perhaps. Also a classy response.
Thank you very much.
Case closed for me. |
Mcrager
Legio Geminatus Gentlemen's Agreement
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:02:00 -
[294] - Quote
Katsami wrote:Everyone is a white knight it seems.
everyones alt is a white knight. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1459
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:02:00 -
[295] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:The Massively article was a pubbie ploy to get you to resign, don't do it The Mittani.
Surely it was red communists and liberal intellectuals behind it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:03:00 -
[296] - Quote
Princess Nana wrote:"Waah, I was drunk, pleese forgive me".
As a former lawyer would you not rip that arguement apart in court ?
Your conduct was not befitting of one who apparently represents the community.
CCP need to act and rid us of this pompous jester who clearly believes he is above the rules of the game.
Would you care to point out where he begged for forgiveness?
Oh that's right he didn't. |
Astro Jones
AJ Corp
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:03:00 -
[297] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Astro Jones wrote:Tiger woods went from hero to zero overnight...hows it feel? I don't know you or could give two ***** what your people do, the fact that EVE encourages grief is the real problem...your just a dumb kid and there is no excuse for them. quoting the cyno alt of a titan pilot
no i'm a solo player...I play UO for pvp but now i know what happened to all the player's that got banned from EA...LOL |
BlitZ Kotare
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:03:00 -
[298] - Quote
Jita Bloodtear wrote:As an alt of PL/Raiden/NCDot I also went out and created manufactured rage for all the electronic sheep out there by contacting every single online news site I could to create bad publicity for CCP over this. Although only a handful of the thousands out there took my bait, it was enough for me to create circular links and feedback from these forums to give credibility to the story. But I'm definitely only doing this because of my moral superiority (even though the victim doesn't mind), and not as metagaming revenge because titans are getting nerfed and I blame Mittens.
Mostly this.
I would feel differently if Mittens had pulled some Anonymous-like stunt where all this guys IRL personal information was publicly available and he was actually harassed - I truly do believe that would have been crossing a line. In EVE you don't have to read your EVE Mail and can block all incoming convos. Problem solved.
Given the above transcript (which may or may not be legit but appears so on the face of it) the 'victim' was unaware he was even victimized. Bravo for blowing something so dumb to so stupid a proportion. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1263
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:03:00 -
[299] - Quote
Montevius Williams wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. So what does the community think of this? Nothing...thats a priviate in game conversation. Mits went on live TV. BIGGGGGG difference.
Private conversation has nothing to do with it. It shows the supposed "victim" doesn't care at all and considers the whole thing a joke... which is rather relevant.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:03:00 -
[300] - Quote
The best move for both Alex, (as a professional) and for the CSM and CCP would still be for him to resign.
1. For himself, it looks good. He takes full responsibility and not just in words but backs it with action. A future employer gets a hold of this and they will have little to criticize him about. 2. It gives CCP absolutely no reason to even tempban his character. 3. Makes CCP and the wider Eve community look good to the outside media which hopefully plays well with Sony since a little thing called Dust is coming in a few months 4. Increases the legitimacy of the CSM. 5. And it's not like there won't be 10k idiot Goons out there to vote him in as Chair next year. |
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Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:03:00 -
[301] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:DelightSucker wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Real Darius III here ladies and gentlemen:
LOL
From: Darius III To: Ice Fist INBOX Remove Label
Keep saying that there was NDA breach when devs said clearly there never was. I will continue enjoying your impotent rage as I sit on CSM6, 7 and 8. Toodles. Mittani will be out in 24 hours, bet?
no matter how hard you guys try, this is not about Darius but about Mittens and hes tasteless behavior Point conceded. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to point out when another CSM rep does something ********, especially when he's claiming the moral high ground, in spite of his hypocritical track record of breaking legally binding agreements.
Question. Did he sign this legally binding agreement with you or CCP? If with CCP, would they not have final say in if he broke the agreement or not? If CCP says he did not breach it then logic would tell us he did not break it.
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Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[302] - Quote
Off topic but Darius III is still a douche. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5800
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[303] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:What worries me, and made me loose all my respect over your, regardless of your apology (which would be mandatory nevertheless if you were a responsable person, which you showed you are already, for that, aplaud) in my eyes, the eyes of someone like you, I like to party and get's Inebriated quite often, I would never, ever do so before presenting a panel to a bunch of people, strangers of close friends, it simply shows an utter lack of respect for the people who went to attend your panel and a huge lack of responsability, something you should have given your age and profession. Why is it disrespectful and irresponsible to be drunk while presenting on a panel where everyone in attendance is expecting the people doing their presentations to be drunk (because that's half the fun of the panel)? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Henriette Malia Alette
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[304] - Quote
U are aware that u in the eye of the LAW are responsible for youre actions, no matter youre condition, and that you will be punished accordingly ? - THAT includes drunk.
I am not aware of the laws of youre nation, but where i come from, stating opinions, encouraging people to drive another to commit suicide - publicly and in real life ? - youre lucky youre not down at the police station right now explaining youreself..
Personally - had i been the targt - i would contacted a lawyer, and issued a civilian case.. one i would win easily.. encouraging people in real life to commit suicide ? - drunk or not drunk, wtf is wrong with you ??
This crossed the line from game to reality, forget all about "this is the net".. the moment it was said IN PERSON, well.. ure now in the real world, where real law's govern ppl.. perhaps u can ask ure "RL GOONS" to cover for u ?
Utterly Distasteful - even more so its to see those who dont give a ****, and applaud such behaviour.. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
484
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[305] - Quote
I probably wouldn't resign if I were in his shoes. If this merits getting kicked from the CSM or a 2 week ban or something, let CCP decide. Otherwise, the apollogy is fine, imho. I don't want EvE to become internet my little pony pussified politically correct ice cream social. I want totalhelldeath I'll stab you in the back and pi55 on your corpse, rob you, violate you and sell the corpse to a pleasure hub internet space war. Let's be mindful of the precedent we set is all I'm sayin'...
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Dermon Gantsson
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[306] - Quote
Mittens, please do not let this one episode define your CSM7 tenure. We want you to lead. The apology is a start, but you must show that you can put the affair behind you, and that it will not affect your ability to govern. Do what you were elected to do. |
Bulaba Jones
HotRock Mining PLC Punch Drunk Lemmings
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[307] - Quote
The simple fact of the matter is that Mittani is supposed to be our representative between us, the players, and CCP. After this extreme lapse of judgment, which says a lot for us playing an internet spaceships game, Mittani isn't fit to be on the CSM any longer. |
Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[308] - Quote
nice words, but what will you DO? i would love to believe you, but your reputation proceeds you. not to mention, you are a politician AND a goon...you've got an uphill slope to prove your sincerity, but as im sure i will be reminded, you don't care.
that said, props to admitting your an ***hat ingame, im sure your a wonderful (but likely egotistical) human being IRL. for what it's worth, i didnt vote for you; but ive got respect for what you've done. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
205
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[309] - Quote
Win Sui wrote:
Quick someone check on the victim! Oh. Right.
This whole "scandal" is ******* stupid.
Its not just about the victim, its about the next guy or the next 10 or more down the line that this can happen too whom may or may not be as well off to not commit suicide under harassment at the beck and call of a more powerful person.
You guys since the beginning have missed this point.
He really needs to step down at a bare minimum.
And example needs to be set here. |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[310] - Quote
didn't the united stated have a president who received a blumpkin while in office? he was still a cool dude. |
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Kathryn SaintKnight
O'Rly Industries The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[311] - Quote
Mittani,
Your actions have proved to the entire community that you are unfit for such a position within this community. You encourage and approve of cyber bullying, and by setting this kind of example, your entire corporation follows suit. I highly recommend that you step down and review your position in this community because you are not a teamplayer. You can be as sorry as you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that you encouraged another member of this community to harm himself. You also encouraged other members to do the same thing by trolling.
You are what is wrong with the game today. You have brought such a horrible reputation to yourself, your corporation and EVE Online in general. Trolling happens in all games, that I am aware of, but CCP should cut their losses and chose a player that is mature enough to fill such a position within the community and uphold the standards and responsibilities that is expected of such a role. Its not a hard concept, as having responsibility anywhere, especially in real life comes with expectations, maturity and a standard practice of behaviour. So grow a pair and step down, and let CCP choose a player that is more qualified for the position.
It is also obvious that you cannot handle your alcohol. |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:04:00 -
[312] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:10.7 bil, that's one damned lucky suicidal guy
stepping down would be ******** (since elise isn't nr2)
Aye, internet suicidal tendencies is where the real isk is now, better than incursions. |
Krutoj
xSPECNAZx
60
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:05:00 -
[313] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:Krutoj wrote:And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales. With the two first points of your post I could live. But this one, sorry, is fail! Calling mental instable people "selfish" ... dude, you are realy close. Realy realy close! Don't copy made mistakes!
Missing my point is what makes this fire burn, and Mittani's tin foil moment. People with depression need professional help and support of their relatives, not mining veldspar in Eve Online and claiming to want to kill themselves.
Your posts still failed to generate any sympathy from me towards this carebear. |
Sticky Hamster
Nova-Tek
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:05:00 -
[314] - Quote
Now can the professional Goon haters chill please?
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Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
203
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:06:00 -
[315] - Quote
damn you pubbies are mad |
Ben Arwhal
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:06:00 -
[316] - Quote
If I can give my totally important noob two cents,
This is barely a thing. The comments were inappropriate and show a lack of maturity, absolutely, but they don't make The Mittani a monster.
I would have expected zero community reaction to this, except for the gaming media picking up on it which created the need for some PR control, what with the recent focus on "cyber bullying", etc.
This apology, in addition to the apology given privately to the individual involved, more than suffices to me.
I don't know if The Mittani actually learned anything from this experience, but that's not for me to judge. I wish him all the best as our chairman, and I wish The Wis all the best as a decent man, perhaps suffering from depression, who wants nothing more than to multibox more accounts than I can ever imagine remembering the credentials for.
And please, don't resign, Mittani. I didn't vote for you (I felt you didn't need the support, and wanted to ensure my industry-minded candidate made the top 7), but you appear to have done an admirable job as chairman so far, and your staunch opposition to WiS is something I thoroughly support. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:06:00 -
[317] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:nice words, but what will you DO? i would love to believe you, but your reputation proceeds you. not to mention, you are a politician AND a goon...you've got an uphill slope to prove your sincerity, but as im sure i will be reminded, you don't care.
that said, props to admitting your an ***hat ingame, im sure your a wonderful (but likely egotistical) human being IRL. for what it's worth, i didnt vote for you; but ive got respect for what you've done.
he apologized and sent the guy 10.7 bil, if that's not good enough for you then lol |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
415
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:06:00 -
[318] - Quote
Unlike most of the EVE players who are posting, especially those brainwashed to GoonThink, the REAL WORLD TAKES THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
CCP will unfortunately now have to insert certain rules into our Game.
Sony, known for it's campaign against cyber-bullying, is now in a perfect position to drop Dust 514 like a Hot Potato.
THIS is exactly the kind of crap that kind of company will not deal with. At all.
Things will change unfortunately.
They absolutely will if CCP, no longer the truly independent free-spirit of the gaming world, wants to continue courting businesses like Sony and NVidia.
This kind of press to Sony: no Sir, they don't like it.
But then, when the mittani (I just can't capitalize it after this) brought the Goons over to OUR game, he said it was with the intent to destroy the game for everyone.
His words.
Congratulations Sir, you have succeeded beyond your wildest dreams. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:07:00 -
[319] - Quote
Please Mittani,
Do not resign,this terrible game needs you. |
Shere
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:07:00 -
[320] - Quote
Sure is a lot of pubbies venting frustration that GoonSwarm has the chair by blowing something way out of proportion. Give me a break, every single one of you self-righteous morons has said something disparaging or hurtful to someone in this game. Anyone saying otherwise is full of it.
SNIPED~*~*~*~*~*~* |
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Xenuria
Center Haus Insane Asylum
456
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:07:00 -
[321] - Quote
You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
Vote Xenuria CSM7 |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
570
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:07:00 -
[322] - Quote
We need some more NPC alt posts, please. |
baltec1
886
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:08:00 -
[323] - Quote
adam smash wrote:**** you, GTFO.
Took ya this long? PLEASE this whole post is full of ****, if ya ment it you would have said it way before.
He just got back from iceland...
Think before posting. |
Mireidor
Tactical Knightmare
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:08:00 -
[324] - Quote
Not going to bother reading too much of this thread, but I feel like I should buy The Mittani a beer at next year's Fanfest for causing the highest amount of tears ever recorded. Hold on to your hooves, I am about to be BRILLIANT! |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:08:00 -
[325] - Quote
To those of both sides, I really don't think at this point you matter.
If the mackinaw pilot is squared, and the Mittani is squared with this, GG Joke or severe, actions handled, I will say to those with so called morals "Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." And those without, well karmas a *****, hence the revelations of your leader. Now get over yourselves. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
892
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:08:00 -
[326] - Quote
ps3ud0nym wrote:The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though. Had he actually been upset or effected by your comments.. also yes. But that isn't the situation you are currently in.
He IS upset and effected by his comments and this proves it all. But no matter what is said you will probably follow Mittani everywhere like all his goonies. quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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XavierVE
Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
81
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:08:00 -
[327] - Quote
Quote:It is also obvious that you cannot handle your alcohol.
Yeah, an even bigger point, really. Mittani shouldn't be in the CSM, he should be in alcoholics anonymous and focusing his own time on making himself a better person. EVE is doing quite well, between Mittani as a person and EVE, I'd say the former needs more work done than the latter.
Be best for him to resign and then go get some serious therapy. |
Mr M
Agony Unleashed
144
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:08:00 -
[328] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:10.7 bil, that's one damned lucky suicidal guy
Only 10.7b? That's not much.
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
395
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:08:00 -
[329] - Quote
I'm so glad you cleared the air on this, Mitt. I hate to say anything nice about you since I'm sure it's bad for your reputation. BUT, you're a good man. It takes a rare courage to call things as they are sometimes. We've all gotten carried away at times, and said things we shouldn't, or done things we wish we could have back. Standing up and calling a spade a spade takes character. You've got character, and courage, and there, that's your nice thing from me for the year.
Be cool. Fly safe.
Serene
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
377
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:08:00 -
[330] - Quote
Wait, remind me -- why the hell do we give two squirts of **** what Sony thinks about anything? |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:08:00 -
[331] - Quote
Kathryn SaintKnight wrote:Mittani,
Your actions have proved to the entire community that you are unfit for such a position within this community. You encourage and approve of cyber bullying, and by setting this kind of example, your entire corporation follows suit. I highly recommend that you step down and review your position in this community because you are not a teamplayer. You can be as sorry as you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that you encouraged another member of this community to harm himself. You also encouraged other members to do the same thing by trolling.
You are what is wrong with the game today. You have brought such a horrible reputation to yourself, your corporation and EVE Online in general. Trolling happens in all games, that I am aware of, but CCP should cut their losses and chose a player that is mature enough to fill such a position within the community and uphold the standards and responsibilities that is expected of such a role. Its not a hard concept, as having responsibility anywhere, especially in real life comes with expectations, maturity and a standard practice of behaviour. So grow a pair and step down, and let CCP choose a player that is more qualified for the position.
It is also obvious that you cannot handle your alcohol.
Actually his ability to lead GSF from the point of being kicked out of space entirely all the way to being one of the largest powerbloc's in the game, along with the ability to put not one but TWO people on last CSM in a landslide victory kinda shows that he not only IS a teamplayer but an amazing leader to boot.
And frankly people come to play this game because of us. It's our antics, our scams, our spies, our politics that drives the recruitment for this game far more than you sitting in a belt shooting a rock for six hour stretches.
I'm sorry you can't see beyond your own petty biases to recognize reality from fiction. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
597
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:09:00 -
[332] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
Go post in your own thread. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:09:00 -
[333] - Quote
Mr M wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:10.7 bil, that's one damned lucky suicidal guy
Only 10.7b? That's not much.
Send me some not much tia. |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:09:00 -
[334] - Quote
If every member of the CSM does not send me 1 Billion ISK I will kill myself. |
Lord Amaterasu
Carebears online
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:09:00 -
[335] - Quote
IF The Mittani is to step down as the chairman of the CSM I demand immediate renewal of the elections. Mittani did have over 10000 votes. If he is removed and we just take someone from the end of the list we will lose the voice of 10000 players. This would literally mean nullifying the meaning of the CSM.
What Mittani did was wrong I don't deny that. But if we take away the right to vote we will destroy the meaning of the CSM. |
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
139
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:10:00 -
[336] - Quote
Its hard to watch. To think a mutation of care bear took out a goon leader? The politically correct care bear. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
570
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:10:00 -
[337] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
Shut up Xenuria. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:10:00 -
[338] - Quote
corestwo wrote:Princess Nana wrote:"Waah, I was drunk, pleese forgive me".
As a former lawyer would you not rip that arguement apart in court ?
Your conduct was not befitting of one who apparently represents the community.
CCP need to act and rid us of this pompous jester who clearly believes he is above the rules of the game. Would you care to point out where he begged for forgiveness? Oh that's right he didn't. He didn't ask for forgiveness, but he took ownership for getting drunk. Maybe you didn't read it, you pubbie scumbag.
Quote: There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
get f***ed |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
237
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:10:00 -
[339] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Montevius Williams wrote:Aiden Andraste wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:I'll just leave this here Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him.[21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought. [21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. Wow, the victim jokes about suicide. Go figure. So what does the community think of this? Nothing...thats a priviate in game conversation. Mits went on live TV. BIGGGGGG difference. Private conversation has nothing to do with it. It shows the supposed "victim" doesn't care at all and considers the whole thing a joke... which is rather relevant.
It's completely irrelevant what the victim thinks. The video game media could care two ***** about it. But the "official" face of the EVE community advocating cyber bullying? Thats the story and trumps anything someone says in a private conversation. Especially when that comment was said tongue in cheek. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
113
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:10:00 -
[340] - Quote
Ideally, I'd love to see Alex keep going as the Chairman of the CSM; but I do think he's made up his mind about this.
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XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:10:00 -
[341] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
Go post in your own thread.
not empty quoting |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:10:00 -
[342] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Unlike most of the EVE players who are posting, especially those brainwashed to GoonThink, the REAL WORLD TAKES THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
CCP will unfortunately now have to insert certain rules into our Game.
no they won't you're dumb
Quote: Sony, known for it's campaign against cyber-bullying, is now in a perfect position to drop Dust 514 like a Hot Potato.
Yeah because they want to drop Dust, it's not important to them or anything~
Quote: THIS is exactly the kind of crap that kind of company will not deal with. At all.
did I mention you're dumb
Quote: Things will change unfortunately.
They absolutely will if CCP, no longer the truly independent free-spirit of the gaming world, wants to continue courting businesses like Sony and NVidia.
This kind of press to Sony: no Sir, they don't like it.
But then, when the mittani (I just can't capitalize it after this) brought the Goons over to OUR game, he said it was [b][b][b]with the intent to destroy the game for everyone.
OH NO THE MITTANI LOST YOUR RESPECT HE'S SURELY DOOMED NOW (except he didn't bring goons to "your" game, you can blame remedial for that, and he didn't say that either, ignorant dummy.)
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:11:00 -
[343] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
What's your disability? |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
203
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:11:00 -
[344] - Quote
Also, on the sheer account of all the drama this has created, his fanfest presentation has been the best in recent memory (if you call 2008 recent). 10/10 would watch again |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:11:00 -
[345] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:but you did call me a "***"
I see no problem with this. |
Arden Reck
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:12:00 -
[346] - Quote
well this all is a load of BS
i mean i have serious heartissues if i run into pvp i am forced to lay down to try to control my heart sure i migth decide not to play instead btu in general i jsut try to avoid pvp
but this is eve i do get into pvp at which i usually end up abandoning ship only to return long after i got podded now i did on occasion mention my issues to the evil gankers
guess what tehy jsut made fun of it on occasion they said well lets hope next time you die for real
well so far i got lucky as you can tell but thing is this is a game tthings get said get over it
it's actuallyl kidna weird how everyoen is upset except for the victim so if all this fuss is not about the victim what is it about?
exactly politics
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
78
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:12:00 -
[347] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
You deserve it. Go back to diddling kiddies, no one cares what you think. |
Janus Konor
Viziam Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:12:00 -
[348] - Quote
Mittens,
Me to you buddy.. If you read this..
Everyone that takes this game serious, any situation created by this game serious needs to grow up. You were duly elected to a position, stick by your guns. In this game our philosophies are different and we would have trouble seeing eye to eye on most things EVE related, but I will back you in this. You blow up his ship, and his feelings are so hurt, and his life stinks to the point he states he wants to commit suicide?? Im sorry, if your life is that screwed up, get off EVE and fix your life. People get over it. As much lies fly around this game, you are so quick to smack down scammers in local, but quick to pick up this as true?? Eve is real.. a real video game. You are my chairman, and I didnt vote for you.. But I will back you. If people want to change the outcome of the system layed down by CCP, doesnt that make them Exploiters??
WIth Respect, Janus Konor
BS5 x 4, yeah.. I was bored. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
570
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 01:12:00 -
[349] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
What's your disability?
assburgers |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1046
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:12:00 -
[350] - Quote
Can some little bee pick up the slack for Harlot.
Kinda quiet without his shitposting to keep things lively.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
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Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:13:00 -
[351] - Quote
corestwo wrote:Princess Nana wrote:"Waah, I was drunk, pleese forgive me".
As a former lawyer would you not rip that arguement apart in court ?
Your conduct was not befitting of one who apparently represents the community.
CCP need to act and rid us of this pompous jester who clearly believes he is above the rules of the game. Would you care to point out where he begged for forgiveness? Oh that's right he didn't.
Irrespective, his conduct was still unbefitting of a figurehead who supposedly represents the eve community. The fact this incident is now being reported by certain media just highlights how his boorish and unaceptable conduct has tainted the community. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:13:00 -
[352] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:
newsflash, EVERY human being is a douche when disinhibited. From preachers to popes, from kings to bums.
yes, you too have a douche inside when not being restrained by /nurtured/ social mechanics.
That's just human nature.
Actually no, you are wrong, or your sample base is skewed. Actually many of my friends and knowns (as me) aren't actually douches, were overly joky, just more disinhibited to be a joke than normally.
No everyone is a douche inside, and being one is not human nature, that your education also, your education, your life experiences that's what makes your personality. The only difference is drunk, you quickly forget your ethical barriers and quickly become more transparent.
If your sample is skewed to your perspective, then I pitty you, for your drunking moments shouldn't be quite fun. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
377
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:13:00 -
[353] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
He called you a triple star player? Well, you can't all be 5 stars like us Goons, but hey, take what you can get, 3 still puts you leaps and bounds ahead of most of the NPC alt retards* out there.
What disability are we talking about exactly? I would not try to guess as guessing something wrong would likely be offensive -- and lord knows us Goodposting Goons NEVER offend.
*: ("oh god goons are mocking the metnally handicapped baaaaaaaan themm!!!!") |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:13:00 -
[354] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
What's your disability?
i believe it has something to do with posting |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
209
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:14:00 -
[355] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:To those of both sides, I really don't think at this point you matter. If the mackinaw pilot is squared, and the Mittani is squared with this, GG Joke or severe, actions handled, I will say to those with so called morals "Eye for an eye leaves everyone blind." And those without, well karmas a *****, hence the revelations of your leader. Now get over yourselves.
This isnt just about them at all. Its about the future of the game. Thats why its a big deal.
Its not just about the victim, its about the next guy or the next 10 or more down the line that this can happen too whom may or may not be as well off to not commit suicide under harassment at the beck and call of a more powerful person.
You guys since the beginning have missed this point.
He really needs to step down at a bare minimum.
And example needs to be set here.
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:14:00 -
[356] - Quote
Bit of an interesting point now: if he doesn't resign (believing himself to be fit for purpose) he becomes a liar (having already said he's stepping down) which could potentially make people see him as being unfit for purpose.
Curiouser and curiouser. |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
67
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:14:00 -
[357] - Quote
I enjoy the misfortune of others in Eve, its one unified server shard does allow for the deepest and most delicious of drama. But like anyone else we who enjoy these things are, by and large, conciseness and moral people in real life.
If I were to learn that someone was seriously contemplating suicide over a game, I would do what I could to get them some help. However I can be amused in a case like this when someone sends a spergy rant over his ships getting blown up in which he threatens to commit suicide, because he's being an enourmous drama queen and is making a fool of himself, AS EVIDENCED BY THE FACT THAT THIS GUY IS STILL ALIVE AND DIDN'T EVEN REMEMBER THE INCIDENT!
The sad fact is that many people in this game can't seem to fathom that players who do bad things in a video game actually aren't bad people in real life, they can console themselves knowing that while their adversaries may kill them and scam them in a video game, that their a-moral ways will eventually lead to them being shanked in the shower bloc in prison, so you win after all! I find this attitude is comes across in the language and thoughts expressed by many of the usual anti-Goon/CFC posters. The big bad griefer king of space demonstrating that he is, in fact, human, does undermine some people's main mechanism for coping with the game. Which is very sad.
But it's interesting to see some of the pure bile directed towards Mittens, some comparing his drunken slideshow with vehicular homoside while intoxicated. Saying that being drunk is no excuse, while I think it's true that drunken words are sober thoughts, that doesn't mean he wants people to kill themselves over Eve, it means he and others are amused by drama queens who send spergy rage mails in which they say they're going to kill themselves.
In the end though you are not morally responsible if someone commits suicide, beats their wife, or kicks their dog because you blew their ship up or scammed them out of some isk in Eve. People don't commit suicide over internet spaceships, they do it because they're horribly depressed. It's a mental condition caused by an overall ****** life, it's simply not possible for a video game to take a happy well adjusted person and turn them into a suicidal wreck. If you find yourself getting too worked up over the game then I sincerely advise you to unsubscribe and reevaluate your circumstances..
---
Also kudos to all these brave NPC corp forum alts in this thread, you're the heros that the Eve-O forums deserve. o7o7o7o7o7m8m8m8m8m8m8m8 |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:14:00 -
[358] - Quote
Mr M wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:10.7 bil, that's one damned lucky suicidal guy
Only 10.7b? That's not much.
it's over 100 hours of doing incursions (if you're just using a single account anyway)
I could barely stand to do 6 hours of that awful grind before I quit it forever, so I'd say that's a lot, especially considering none of this really hurt the "victim" at all, the guy profited immensly and should count himself lucky. |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:14:00 -
[359] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
Is it possible for you to post without mentioning how screwed up you are? Just try to post something normal.
Oh right, autism.
I wish I had autism so I could tell thousands of strangers about it everyday. Wah? I'm autistic and my doctor won't get me my meds! Wah I'm autistic because Goonswarm hates me! Wah I'll never be a real girl or lose my virginity! I'll never know love! Wah my GPA! My autism! My strange!
Christ on a stick. |
Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals Late Night Alliance
145
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:15:00 -
[360] - Quote
He's trolling u all ffs http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
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Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:15:00 -
[361] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:What worries me, and made me loose all my respect over your, regardless of your apology (which would be mandatory nevertheless if you were a responsable person, which you showed you are already, for that, aplaud) in my eyes, the eyes of someone like you, I like to party and get's Inebriated quite often, I would never, ever do so before presenting a panel to a bunch of people, strangers of close friends, it simply shows an utter lack of respect for the people who went to attend your panel and a huge lack of responsability, something you should have given your age and profession. Why is it disrespectful and irresponsible to be drunk while presenting on a panel where everyone in attendance is expecting the people doing their presentations to be drunk (because that's half the fun of the panel)?
I'm really sorry if I think it's disrespectfull and don't agree with what you think it's fun... |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
302
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:15:00 -
[362] - Quote
Xython wrote:I know, I know, it's far more fun to picture Mittani as this nefarious cartoon villain, twirling a handlebar mustache, but it turns out that Alex is just a guy -- a really awesome, very classy, highly intelligent guy, but just a guy. It's quite clear you have a gay space boner. Damn nature, you scary! |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
211
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:15:00 -
[363] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:
newsflash, EVERY human being is a douche when disinhibited. From preachers to popes, from kings to bums.
yes, you too have a douche inside when not being restrained by /nurtured/ social mechanics.
That's just human nature.
Actually no, you are wrong, or your sample base is skewed. Actually many of my friends and knowns (as me) aren't actually douches, were overly joky, just more disinhibited to be a joke than normally. No everyone is a douche inside, and being one is not human nature, that your education also, your education, your life experiences that's what makes your personality. The only difference is drunk, you quickly forget your ethical barriers and quickly become more transparent. If your sample is skewed to your perspective, then I pitty you, for your drunking moments shouldn't be quite fun.
While I appreciate your view of man as a Noble Beast, all the things I've seen over the past 30-odd years seem to indicate that it simple isn't true.
The only thing that varies is how much control people can /keep/ while under the influence of materials that undermine societal conditioning.
We're still just monkeys, and monkeys can be very very cruel. |
NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
117
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:15:00 -
[364] - Quote
Hm. I like alcohol and drinking with friends. But I don't drink on a daily, weekly, or even monthly basis.
Usually once after several "full moons" or "special occassion" (like family member's death or a major celebration). That's whereI get really drunk, but even as "really drunk", granted I will be walking all wobbily like a drunktard, I can still play console games really well, watch what I say, and aware of my decisions. I actually always test myself on how much I can get drink, and experiment on my motion control and my conciousness.
So, in my opinion, because a guy was drunk and someone said it, it is not an excuse. When you are drunk, more or less, it shows the nature of your personality, whether you want to show that "side" of you to someone or not.
So from what Mittani said, it shows him as a person and his views, whether he likes it or not, with intention or not, whatever the reason is, it is what he is. So there you have it, you seen the true side of Alex, not The Mittani.
When you drink, you drink RESPONSIBLY. So again, no excuse.
Mittani, I must ask you, whether I voted you or not, you are my representative for Eve-Online. I am offended by your action. Is apology enough? I think so, but you need to take responsibility on your actions whether it is intentional or not. Are you already taking action of your responsibility?
Do I think you need to step down? Personally, I don't know. I'll leave that to CCP's decisions. Whatever result, I will be fine with it as long you get some form of punishment. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
284
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:16:00 -
[365] - Quote
Deen Wispa wrote:Alex- it's just a game. Spend more time with RL friends and family. All this metagamming stuff you do isn't worth the damage that it is taking on you privately, even if you wouldn't admit that publicly.
The recent events have shown that it's no longer a game for you. You've assumed and immersed yourself into the online persona that you have meticulously built up over all these years. And I think you should consider your priorities both in game and in life now.
Please consider stepping down. Not just for the game and the community but for your own welfare. For any human being to do what was done on Thursday really does show that it's no longer "just a game".
I'll give you the advice you maybe should have used on Thursday, take a break, step away from the game for a little while and get some space. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Mandy Spencer
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:16:00 -
[366] - Quote
The Mittani's way!!!
Real-Life HUGE screw up with a mild half cooked "Avatar Driven" apology. Grow up, being "drunk" is not an excuse for such an embarrasement.
You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting.
EDIT: The only real proper action course is resign, |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
484
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:16:00 -
[367] - Quote
XxTheKmanxX wrote:Daviclond wrote:Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
What's your disability? i believe it has something to do with posting /assuming some kind of mental handicap. I hate it when people demand sympathy or a special status.
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
113
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:16:00 -
[368] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Bit of an interesting point now: if he doesn't resign (believing himself to be fit for purpose) he becomes a liar (having already said he's stepping down) which could potentially make people see him as being unfit for purpose.
Curiouser and curiouser.
That's why I said I believe that he's made up his mind (at least according to what I know is happening on SA atm). Today is a p sad day in goonwaffe history. |
Shaampoo
Epidemic. F0RCEFUL ENTRY
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:16:00 -
[369] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Insert backpedaling
I like it how your where smug as **** until this blew up
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Joe D'Trader
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
84
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:16:00 -
[370] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~ Im sry but i believe this statement more then you apology
They are not mutually exclusive. If someone feels so strongly about it, why use an NPC character? |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
418
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:16:00 -
[371] - Quote
Shere wrote:Sure is a lot of pubbies venting frustration that GoonSwarm has the chair by blowing something way out of proportion. Give me a break, every single one of you self-righteous morons has said something disparaging or hurtful to someone in this game. Anyone saying otherwise is full of it.
SNIPED~*~*~*~*~*~*
Helping your case....
NOT. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Pampers Toralen
Peace Million Foundation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:17:00 -
[372] - Quote
I for one welcome this news writing this in a sound state of mind mitten's has got to go not really what has been said parse more how he has tainted CCp's name, game, and brand. I watch it all live even the CSM table the filth that was coming from his mouth was disgusting and he is quote KING OF SPACE end quote you as a player of eve and a very well known person the chairman of the CSM should know better your living playing in the public spotlight. As a person after shadow of death burned in fire was looking and speaking with goon's to join this is why I didn't post with an alt I wanted you guys to know who I am. Watching the fanfest online and I can quote CCP GUARD this,is a family show and yet the foul drabble still fell out of his mouth just to finish did a corp mail go out for ever single goon to spam this thread as every last on of you are troll's
My 2 cents |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:17:00 -
[373] - Quote
JamesCLK wrote:Ideally, I'd love to see Alex keep going as the Chairman of the CSM; but I do think he's made up his mind about this.
With any luck and by the letter of the law CCP will act and it will not be his choice to make. The line was crossed. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:17:00 -
[374] - Quote
Xenuria, fight it all you like, but your return to irrelevancy has been complete since Saturday.
Jade, all I can hear when you talk is the monetization of your 15 minutes in the form of commercials that you can't even seem to find voice acting for. Once you get on the other side of a dollar from people, you're no longer in it for the game, but your own personal gain. Go spacewhore yourself out on your own website. |
Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:17:00 -
[375] - Quote
I would just like to clarify (for those who haven't had problems with depression) that telling someone you are suicidal, especially to an anonymous stranger (as 99% of EVE players are to each other), is not an attempt at attention, but a cry for help. Telling someone, even a stranger, that you would like to kill yourself is not something you just say nonchalantly. It takes a lot to confess such a painful and personal problem. EVE is full of attention-whoring, and you Goons are the masters of it (which is an art in its own right, and while I hate you for it, I gotta respect the talent), but threats of suicide aren't equal. You never know how serious someone is when they say they want to commit suicide, but you NEVER TAKE THE CHANCE. Life is precious, no matter your religion (or lack of one), politics (or lack of one), or morals (or lack thereof). That he is alive and well is wonderful, but IT COULD BE DIFFERENT THE NEXT TIME. This is a big deal, not because he really did kill himself, but that the CSM (who happens to be The Mittani) advocated players harrassing him into ACTUALLY KILLING HIMSELF. This is not so much about The Mittani (tho he admits he is an unrepentant *** ingame, which I also respect for the RP factor [and screw all the RP haters, flame on doughboys]) but about the CSM as representative of the community, and the Chair being the face and voice of said CSM. |
Llyona
SKEET ELITE Sk33t Fl33t
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:17:00 -
[376] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote: newsflash, EVERY human being is a douche when disinhibited. From preachers to popes, from kings to bums.
yes, you too have a douche inside when not being restrained by /nurtured/ social mechanics.
That's just human nature.
Rationalizations such as these are merely a reflection of your own behavior.
I've met many people who are quite philosophical normally and when drunk are some of the most insightful people you'll meet.
Then there are those who are quite funny when drunk, but can't tell a joke to save their lives when sober.
Adding "every" before the statement "human being is a douche when disinhibited" makes the claim no more legitimate than Cnut sitting his throne on the sea shore and commanding the tide not to rise.
--
TL;DR Mittens admitted he was a douche, made recompense with the "victim" and we should all move on. EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure. |
Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals Late Night Alliance
145
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:17:00 -
[377] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
212
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:18:00 -
[378] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Win Sui wrote:
Quick someone check on the victim! Oh. Right.
This whole "scandal" is ******* stupid.
Its not just about the victim, its about the next guy or the next 10 or more down the line that this can happen too whom may or may not be as well off to not commit suicide under harassment at the beck and call of a more powerful person. You guys since the beginning have missed this point. He really needs to step down at a bare minimum. And example needs to be set here.
I can repost this all day if i have too.
Its truth wont change.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
418
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:18:00 -
[379] - Quote
Lord Amaterasu wrote:IF The Mittani is to step down as the chairman of the CSM I demand immediate renewal of the elections. Mittani did have over 10000 votes. If he is removed and we just take someone from the end of the list we will lose the voice of 10000 players. This would literally mean nullifying the meaning of the GOONS .
FIXED. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:19:00 -
[380] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Krutoj wrote:And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales. With the two first points of your post I could live. But this one, sorry, is fail! Calling mental instable people "selfish" ... dude, you are realy close. Realy realy close! Don't copy made mistakes! Missing my point is what makes this fire burn, and Mittani's tin foil moment. People with depression need professional help and support of their relatives, not mining veldspar in Eve Online and claiming to want to kill themselves. Your posts still failed to generate any sympathy from me towards this carebear. Sure do they need professional help. No question. And I don't want to catch your sympathy at all (hell, I don't care who you like or don't).
But flameing them and call them "selfish" is just fail! Even more when there is such a nice and shiny "CSM" over your picture. The titel CSM isn't just fun or nice-to-have. As soon as someone gains an official titel he has to be much MUCH more carefull and in first place has to ask himselve: "is it in conflict with my offizial position?".
Gaining a positon like CSM includes: I can no longer do what I want to do but I allways have to first ponder my words with the company.
You as individual can call them "selfish". You as CSM can NOT call them "selfish".
Understand what I'm talking about?
PS: Just imagin the press news ;) "After the CSM Chairman calls for herrasm another CSM start to flame mental instable".
Oh dear .. not a good day for CCP Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
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Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
206
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:19:00 -
[381] - Quote
DelBoy Trades wrote:Xython wrote:I know, I know, it's far more fun to picture Mittani as this nefarious cartoon villain, twirling a handlebar mustache, but it turns out that Alex is just a guy -- a really awesome, very classy, highly intelligent guy, but just a guy. It's quite clear you have a gay space boner.
And you quite clearly sound like a homophobe |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
577
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:19:00 -
[382] - Quote
Silence iKillYouu wrote:He's trolling u all ffs
I believe you over him.
100% |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:20:00 -
[383] - Quote
Oh wait, was this part of that grand master plan of Xenuria's that he said is working just the way he wanted?
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Ni Cho
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:20:00 -
[384] - Quote
XavierVE wrote:Quote:It is also obvious that you cannot handle your alcohol. Yeah, an even bigger point, really. Mittani shouldn't be in the CSM, he should be in alcoholics anonymous and focusing his own time on making himself a better person. EVE is doing quite well, between Mittani as a person and EVE, I'd say the former needs more work done than the latter. Be best for him to resign and then go get some serious therapy.
So basically your judging this guy as an alcoholic form seeing him drunk once. I totally would like to know your credentials as a Substance Abuse Counselor. I drank these two bottles of wine the other night, and I couldn't stop till I drank them both. Then I had sex with my wife. (Maybe it was just the pillow)
Do I have a problem? |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:21:00 -
[385] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote: While I appreciate your view of man as a Noble Beast, all the things I've seen over the past 30-odd years seem to indicate that it simple isn't true.
The only thing that varies is how much control people can /keep/ while under the influence of materials that undermine societal conditioning.
We're still just monkeys, and monkeys can be very very cruel.
I'm really sorry for you then, you must have some terrible parties... |
Shere
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:21:00 -
[386] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Shere wrote:Sure is a lot of pubbies venting frustration that GoonSwarm has the chair by blowing something way out of proportion. Give me a break, every single one of you self-righteous morons has said something disparaging or hurtful to someone in this game. Anyone saying otherwise is full of it.
SNIPED~*~*~*~*~*~* Helping your case.... NOT.
I don't need a case you incredible shitheel. There is no 'case'. Video game internet news sites are hardly paragons of upstanding and unbiased work, they'll take anything they can get to throw **** into your RSS feed in desperate hopes that someone will visit their site and give them ad revenue. Essentially no one cared about his alliance panel presentation until 2 days ex post facto, which by some miracle coincidence, happens to be when everyone found out that Mittani would be returning as our CSM chair. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
418
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:21:00 -
[387] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Unlike most of the EVE players who are posting, especially those brainwashed to GoonThink, the REAL WORLD TAKES THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
CCP will unfortunately now have to insert certain rules into our Game.
no they won't you're dumb Quote: Sony, known for it's campaign against cyber-bullying, is now in a perfect position to drop Dust 514 like a Hot Potato.
Yeah because they want to drop Dust, it's not important to them or anything~ Quote: THIS is exactly the kind of crap that kind of company will not deal with. At all.
did I mention you're dumb Quote: Things will change unfortunately.
They absolutely will if CCP, no longer the truly independent free-spirit of the gaming world, wants to continue courting businesses like Sony and NVidia.
This kind of press to Sony: no Sir, they don't like it.
But then, when the mittani (I just can't capitalize it after this) brought the Goons over to OUR game, he said it was [b][b][b]with the intent to destroy the game for everyone.
OH NO THE MITTANI LOST YOUR RESPECT HE'S SURELY DOOMED NOW (except he didn't bring goons to "your" game, you can blame remedial for that, and he didn't say that either, ignorant dummy.)
This just....OMG ! Mom ! This text put out my EYES !!!! OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
69
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:21:00 -
[388] - Quote
You know what's irritating me about this whole thing?
Aside from the fact that I'm a sociopath IRL and couldn't give two ***** if some dink I've never met wants to kill himself.
This has now become "sacred ground." There isn't any other claim for immunity that a player can make that will save them from the ridicule of their fellow man. It's unverifiable, unassailable and impervious to scrutiny.
People now have license to throw an "I'm going to kill myself because you ganked my hauler" into local and everyone has to immediately give way. It's like none of you have ever had a crazy girlfriend. ****, I've had like five. People who threaten suicide to those that are close to them are probably just looking for attention. People who threaten suicide to other people in a videogame are always just looking for attention.
Even if this ****** is completely on the level and decides to end himself over goddamn space pixels, I can't think of a more appropriate reason to mock someone.
**** this guy and his problems. And **** you anonymous bleeding forum alts who provided a platform for rampant media sensationalism. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:21:00 -
[389] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Bit of an interesting point now: if he doesn't resign (believing himself to be fit for purpose) he becomes a liar (having already said he's stepping down) which could potentially make people see him as being unfit for purpose.
Curiouser and curiouser.
To be fair, goons are known liars.
One of the Mods/Admins/Gods of the site we all came from promised to eat a HAT once because he lost a bet, all there bared for the forums to see.
That jerk made a banana hat. It was at that point I knew I was No True Goon. Down with The Mittani! |
OfBalance
Caldari State
256
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:21:00 -
[390] - Quote
Free Alexander Agincourt! |
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Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
206
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:22:00 -
[391] - Quote
Ni Cho wrote:XavierVE wrote:Quote:It is also obvious that you cannot handle your alcohol. Yeah, an even bigger point, really. Mittani shouldn't be in the CSM, he should be in alcoholics anonymous and focusing his own time on making himself a better person. EVE is doing quite well, between Mittani as a person and EVE, I'd say the former needs more work done than the latter. Be best for him to resign and then go get some serious therapy. So basically your judging this guy as an alcoholic form seeing him drunk once. I totally would like to know your credentials as a Substance Abuse Counselor. I drank these two bottles of wine the other night, and I couldn't stop till I drank them both. Then I had sex with my wife. (Maybe it was just the pillow) Do I have a problem?
According to the Xenuria you have a wife and thus a problem |
Katsami
The Drunken Empire Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:22:00 -
[392] - Quote
Ni Cho wrote:XavierVE wrote:Quote:It is also obvious that you cannot handle your alcohol. Yeah, an even bigger point, really. Mittani shouldn't be in the CSM, he should be in alcoholics anonymous and focusing his own time on making himself a better person. EVE is doing quite well, between Mittani as a person and EVE, I'd say the former needs more work done than the latter. Be best for him to resign and then go get some serious therapy. So basically your judging this guy as an alcoholic form seeing him drunk once. I totally would like to know your credentials as a Substance Abuse Counselor. I drank these two bottles of wine the other night, and I couldn't stop till I drank them both. Then I had sex with my wife. (Maybe it was just the pillow) Do I have a problem?
You had sex with your wife? I believe, that you just may be a sex maniac and should seek counseling immediately.
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Artemis Ahab
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:22:00 -
[393] - Quote
Honestly, I don't care whether Goons are asshats in game or not. There's always a villain, be it BoB or them.
That said, yeah it was a ****** thing to do. He's owning up to it. My guess is that almost 11b isk is enough to have that miner ignoring hulkageddon and the ice interdiction for years to come. Unless he does something stupid, like try to get into GS through the recruitment channel
I didn't vote for anyone, I hardly play anymore, but you all should be looking at his past achievements on the CSM, and what he can do for this one. He's got to love the game or he wouldn't be playing it. That and i'm sure he has loads of fun playing the bad guy. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3469
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:22:00 -
[394] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lord Amaterasu wrote:IF The Mittani is to step down as the chairman of the CSM I demand immediate renewal of the elections. Mittani did have over 10000 votes. If he is removed and we just take someone from the end of the list we will lose the voice of 10000 players. This would literally mean nullifying the meaning of the GOONS . FIXED.
So your pubbie ass is perfectly fine with disenfranchising thousands of real players. Glad to know you don't give a rat's ass about the incident, just about seeing Mittens nailed to a cross.
Pathetic. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:22:00 -
[395] - Quote
Ni Cho wrote:XavierVE wrote:Quote:It is also obvious that you cannot handle your alcohol. Yeah, an even bigger point, really. Mittani shouldn't be in the CSM, he should be in alcoholics anonymous and focusing his own time on making himself a better person. EVE is doing quite well, between Mittani as a person and EVE, I'd say the former needs more work done than the latter. Be best for him to resign and then go get some serious therapy. So basically your judging this guy as an alcoholic form seeing him drunk once. I totally would like to know your credentials as a Substance Abuse Counselor. I drank these two bottles of wine the other night, and I couldn't stop till I drank them both. Then I had sex with my wife. (Maybe it was just the pillow) Do I have a problem?
Yes, you have a problem. What guy drinks Wine to get drunk and not beer or harder stuff? Wine is for dinner and women. |
stoicfaux
827
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:22:00 -
[396] - Quote
+1 iff the miner in question is satisfied.
Has anyone notified the various game mags of the apology? Especially the ones in the Euro time zones?
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
418
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:22:00 -
[397] - Quote
Shere wrote: I don't need a case you incredible shitheel. There is no 'case'. Video game internet news sites are hardly paragons of upstanding and unbiased work, they'll take anything they can get to throw **** into your RSS feed in desperate hopes that someone will visit their site and give them ad revenue. Essentially no one cared about his alliance panel presentation until 2 days ex post facto, which by some miracle coincidence, happens to be when everyone found out that Mittani would be returning as our CSM chair.
U mad bro ? OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Astro Jones
AJ Corp
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:22:00 -
[398] - Quote
Tiger woods went from hero to zero overnight...hows it feel? I don't know you or could give two ***** what your people do, the fact that EVE encourages grief is the real problem...your just a dumb kid and there is no excuse for them. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
206
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:23:00 -
[399] - Quote
lordy this thread moves fast |
David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
206
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:23:00 -
[400] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote: While I appreciate your view of man as a Noble Beast, all the things I've seen over the past 30-odd years seem to indicate that it simple isn't true.
The only thing that varies is how much control people can /keep/ while under the influence of materials that undermine societal conditioning.
We're still just monkeys, and monkeys can be very very cruel.
Agreed. |
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Ninevite
Shiva Initiative Mercenaries
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:23:00 -
[401] - Quote
Hey everyone,
I hate goons and all too, but I imagine it would hard to not be caught up in the moment when talking about internet spaceships at an internet spaceship conference when drinking in Iceland. I don't think anyone here really truly wants anyone else to commit suicide.
The only sad part is being overblowing this and trying to use it to push their own agendas. No one really cares about the poor little miner.
So I am here to start a new movement. I propose to give the miner his own monument in Jita. Anyone else here agree?
edit: fixed italics tag, damn thing made me edit this post twice |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:23:00 -
[402] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
What's your disability?
- Unlikable. - No fashion sense (a ******* fedora?!) |
Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:23:00 -
[403] - Quote
wrote:Essentially no one cared about his alliance panel presentation until 2 days ex post facto, which by some miracle coincidence, happens to be when everyone found out that Mittani would be returning as our CSM chair.
not true, i watched the livestream and was disgusted. i posted something into the FB chat (dont remember exactly what).
also, CSM7 was announced on saturday. its not your fault you weren't paying attention due to arrogance. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
211
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:23:00 -
[404] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote: I'm really sorry for you then, you must have some terrible parties...
Nothing to do with parties, just a lengthening lifetime of cleaning up the disaster areas other people make of their lives and those around them.
But we do what we must, don't we? |
Ni Cho
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:24:00 -
[405] - Quote
Twulf wrote:Ni Cho wrote:XavierVE wrote:Quote:It is also obvious that you cannot handle your alcohol. Yeah, an even bigger point, really. Mittani shouldn't be in the CSM, he should be in alcoholics anonymous and focusing his own time on making himself a better person. EVE is doing quite well, between Mittani as a person and EVE, I'd say the former needs more work done than the latter. Be best for him to resign and then go get some serious therapy. So basically your judging this guy as an alcoholic form seeing him drunk once. I totally would like to know your credentials as a Substance Abuse Counselor. I drank these two bottles of wine the other night, and I couldn't stop till I drank them both. Then I had sex with my wife. (Maybe it was just the pillow) Do I have a problem? Yes, you have a problem. What guy drinks Wine to get drunk and not beer or harder stuff? Wine is for dinner and women.
The shame. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
484
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:24:00 -
[406] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:I would just like to clarify (for those who haven't had problems with depression) that telling someone you are suicidal, especially to an anonymous stranger (as 99% of EVE players are to each other), is not an attempt at attention, but a cry for help. Telling someone, even a stranger, that you would like to kill yourself is not something you just say nonchalantly. It takes a lot to confess such a painful and personal problem. EVE is full of attention-whoring, and you Goons are the masters of it (which is an art in its own right, and while I hate you for it, I gotta respect the talent), but threats of suicide aren't equal. You never know how serious someone is when they say they want to commit suicide, but you NEVER TAKE THE CHANCE. Life is precious, no matter your religion (or lack of one), politics (or lack of one), or morals (or lack thereof). That he is alive and well is wonderful, but IT COULD BE DIFFERENT THE NEXT TIME. This is a big deal, not because he really did kill himself, but that the CSM (who happens to be The Mittani) advocated players harrassing him into ACTUALLY KILLING HIMSELF. This is not so much about The Mittani (tho he admits he is an unrepentant *** ingame, which I also respect for the RP factor [and screw all the RP haters, flame on doughboys]) but about the CSM as representative of the community, and the Chair being the face and voice of said CSM. Well... that's a problem. I reserve the right not to give a snip. Providing mental healthcare is not my job or responsibility. Everyone I've known who has offed themselves can kiss my tailpipe. They don't deserve any attention. If nutters are a problem in game how about we add a "report nutter" button to the chat window. Otherwise don't air your dirty laundry in my game. ...unless it's dirty laundry about the game. MMOs are not a cure for depression. They are a cure for boredom. If anything ban people for threatening suicide so they can get some real help.... because you aren't going to find any here. I have a special personal place of hate in my mind for people who commit suicide. I'm not going to be bothered.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
124
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:24:00 -
[407] - Quote
Looking at the puss filled blister, GD has become I wouldn't worry about giving EVE a black eye Mittani.
CCP do that all by them self with thier see no evil policy. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:25:00 -
[408] - Quote
Smash mouth why won't you eat the eggs? |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
82
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:25:00 -
[409] - Quote
I for one am glad to see this. I still find some of the rhetoric over this issue disturbing in that The Mittani upon sobering up and watching himself knows that it was bad, but there was a lot of really upsetting stuff said in defense of those acts by people apparently acting under complete sobriety. I hope that these people reflect on these things a bit and hopefully learn something.
So respect re-earned. This kind of public apology thing is tough; glad to see it. I hope you continue playing the bad guy and giving the EvE community something to talk about. And yeah, don't retire. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:25:00 -
[410] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:+1 iff the miner in question is satisfied.
Has anyone notified the various game mags of the apology? Especially the ones in the Euro time zones?
They won't care. A scandal is news, a Mea Culpa isn't. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1264
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:25:00 -
[411] - Quote
Quote:It's completely irrelevant what the victim thinks. The video game media could care two ***** about it. But the "official" face of the EVE community advocating cyber bullying? Thats the story and trumps anything someone says in a private conversation. Especially when that comment was said tongue in cheek.
I know exactly what you are saying about media coverage... rarely do the facts have any bearing on an event is reported.
However, I think it's a bit of a reach to insist that the crime of "Cyber Bullying" has been committed when the victim is completely unaware of it and finds the whole matter a joke.
If this were a child who was victimized and was unaware of it, that I could accept (although have you really been bullied if no one actually bullied you), but we are talking about a grown divorced man who if he were indeed suicidal or extremely depressed would be the first person to speak up.
Instead he is cracking jokes about it.
No "crime" has been committed, unless you consider bad jokes to be a crime.
An apology was the appropriate response. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
516
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:26:00 -
[412] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote: I'm really sorry for you then, you must have some terrible parties...
Nothing to do with parties, just a lengthening lifetime of cleaning up the disaster areas other people make of their lives and those around them. But we do what we must, don't we?
Did CCP unban everyone they banned during their protest fiasco or what? I thought it was just Liang who was back. (comment has no relation to thread content)
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Citamarret
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:26:00 -
[413] - Quote
didn't want that CSM chair anyways |
BBJ Shepard
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
226
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:26:00 -
[414] - Quote
Ar n y oou neo ?
- im noe
w ka foo wooeh ?(: |
Dar Saleem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:27:00 -
[415] - Quote
After reading his tweets, I have to retract my comment that I dont think the apology was sincere. I now believe that it was actually a sincere apology. Doesnt change the fact that he should stand down or be removed as head of CSM.
He is actually starting to go up in respect level by not blaming the booze |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:27:00 -
[416] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Smash mouth why won't you eat the eggs?
Smush Mout no eat egg? |
Nambr1
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:27:00 -
[417] - Quote
Andski wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lord Amaterasu wrote:IF The Mittani is to step down as the chairman of the CSM I demand immediate renewal of the elections. Mittani did have over 10000 votes. If he is removed and we just take someone from the end of the list we will lose the voice of 10000 players. This would literally mean nullifying the meaning of the GOONS . FIXED. So your pubbie ass is perfectly fine with disenfranchising thousands of real players. Glad to know you don't give a rat's ass about the incident, just about seeing Mittens nailed to a cross. Pathetic.
i don't understand aspie, sorry |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
238
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:28:00 -
[418] - Quote
It's crazy how this has evolved in the last 24 hours.
Mitts, I respect you and what you've done with Goons and EVE, altough at times I can't stand you. I even voted for you once because I knew you were to right man to take on CCP at it's worst.
I respect that you took the courage to hold your hands up and apologise.
However harassment and bullying, something I'm sure a fair few people on 4chan and in goons have probably suffered in their time is never funny nor clever.
I think you should seriously consider your position as this is only going to hurt Goons, EVE and CCP in the long run if you remain. |
Lolmer
Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:28:00 -
[419] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:The apology was appropriate. Please dont resign, and CCP please dont make him resign.
People do stupid things on occasion (especially when drunk), in this case stuff got blown way out of proportion by dumbshit media outlets desperate for page views. Having read the response from the individual in question (it found its way onto reddit) they seem to not care or are even maybe enjoying their 5 minutes of e-fame.
I suppose any final decision by CCP is up to a bunch of people who frankly dont give a rats ass about EVE aside from how much RL money it makes them, and the shareholders may see the bad publicity hurting their bottom line.
CCP is not a public company and has no shareholders. It has loans, but no public shares to trade on the market to go up or down from any publicity. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
405
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:28:00 -
[420] - Quote
I hope this is a sincere apology. Unfortunately the only one who can know this is The Mittani himself.
To be honest, I was surprised when I hear these allegations. I figured that someone was just making noise on the forums (as happens too often). This was reinforced by the fact that they decided to deal with this supposed injustice by whining on the forums instead of doing what any responsible person should do in such a situation - contacting law enforcement.
"LOL, like that will do anything" you might say. But youwouldbesurprised.
Should he resign? Maybe. Should CCP ban him? Possibly. Being drunk is certainly not an excuse. However, I still have to recognize that The Mittani has been a highly capable CSM Chairman. He took the Chairman from being a powerless figurehead to a highly effective central spokesperson. I will be saddened if he leaves. Doesn't change what he did I guess. |
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Avylene
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:29:00 -
[421] - Quote
Yet another milestone in EVE's rich and controversial history. Climax reached, time will unravel and the following denouement.
Soon baseline once more. Moving on |
Krutoj
xSPECNAZx
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:29:00 -
[422] - Quote
This topic is going sideways, to be chairman or not to be, to be CSM or GSF leader, to be part of the Sandbox or to be morally constrained by the real world. This is a lot of bullshit and knowing Alex for the past year, him being able to separate his role as CSM chairman and his role of the evil Goonswarm empire CEO, and doing a damn good job at it, while representing the views of those that are cursing him right now in this thread. Well aint this just so polliticly correct thing to do eh?
In other news, am stuck waiting for my next flight in Sydney, this thread does provide some mild entertainment, but I must reflect on the things CSM6 must do in the view of the CCP's keynotes at the Fanfest. I think Alex (Mittani) will do the same if you stop this silliness. |
XavierVE
Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
85
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:29:00 -
[423] - Quote
Ni Cho wrote:So basically your judging this guy as an alcoholic form seeing him drunk once. I totally would like to know your credentials as a Substance Abuse Counselor. I drank these two bottles of wine the other night, and I couldn't stop till I drank them both. Then I had sex with my wife. (Maybe it was just the pillow)
Do I have a problem?
If you know anything about substance abuse, especially alcohol abuse, you can pretty well see that he's unable to handle alcohol.
- Drank to excess so that he didn't even remember what he said
- So much in denial about his drinking issue that his first response was to tell people to **** off when he saw criticism
- Alcoholic to the point that when he was supposed to do a presentation, the stress and fear he had from trying to be entertaining saw him get drunk to the point of complete verbal sloppiness.
- Obviously he has some deep-seated dark issues to deal with, if consuming alcohol leads his personality to want to try to bully and drive someone to commit suicide.
Even with just a cursory understanding of this person, it's pretty obvious that he needs some serious counseling and substance abuse therapy. A person with these sorts of issues shouldn't be serving on the CSM, representing thousands of players. And since CCP is so loose with providing alcohol, having an abject alcoholic flying to Iceland isn't really a good venue for him to begin with. |
Master Tron
Axis.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:29:00 -
[424] - Quote
Citamarret wrote:didn't want that CSM chair anyways
Didn't want to be in CSM anyway , there fixed. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
440
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:30:00 -
[425] - Quote
First of all, I kind of expected CCP's apologies as well, because in the end they were the hosts and they let the whole alchool bandwagon rolling.
Second, I know this sucks but if you OP are in a public position of representative you should also know when to go all out with the drink but also when to be sober and avoid to embarass yourself and - most of all - your public role.
Third, you should do something cheerful to that guy. I don't know, buy him 10 Macks or something.
And / or - much harder - understand that being lucky and even skillful and resourceful as you are is not a given. Walk in the less fortunate people's shoes for 5 minutes, make so that you'll have learned something constructive off all of this. Expecially if you are not - as you claim - like the avatar you play.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
421
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:32:00 -
[426] - Quote
Lorren Canada wrote:lordy this thread moves fast
I'm getting excited ! I need to pee ! OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:32:00 -
[427] - Quote
Dar Saleem wrote:After reading his tweets, I have to retract my comment that I dont think the apology was sincere. I now believe that it was actually a sincere apology. Doesnt change the fact that he should stand down or be removed as head of CSM.
He is actually starting to go up in respect level by not blaming the booze As a community figurehead he should never have put himself in the position he did. Regardless this does not excuse what transpired. I am disgusted and if CCP do not act then clearly it might be suggested that some are granted leverage to operate outwith the terms of the EULA without sanction. |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
887
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:32:00 -
[428] - Quote
if you all don't leave the mittani alone I'm going to end it all I'm serious |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
104
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:33:00 -
[429] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote: I'm really sorry for you then, you must have some terrible parties...
Nothing to do with parties, just a lengthening lifetime of cleaning up the disaster areas other people make of their lives and those around them. But we do what we must, don't we?
True, hence my comment over the skewed sample base you have to make those assumptions, fact is, all you're saying happens even when ppl aren't drunk, humans can be cruel, hell childs are cruel!!, things is, it's a fact, it's not assumption, science or theory, alcool disinhibits humans, lowers down the ethical/social restrains one has.
Is it only due to this simple fact I have my opinion about this issue ? No, it's about the posture, the post, and the actions. Does it add to my opinion ? Yes it does, well, it's my opinion and like yours it's not arguable, it's ours the same way all of this biased people keep posting yay or nay in this thread, most of them are biased if not the majority.
Myself on the contrary had actually a good opinion of 'The Mittani' as a CSM and I tried to formulate an opinion about this matter unbiased, unfortunately, it doesn't go well in his favour.
In the end, judging by is apology, I'm confident he'll do what he thinks it's right to do, unless he makes that decision drunk. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1264
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:33:00 -
[430] - Quote
XavierVE wrote:Ni Cho wrote:So basically your judging this guy as an alcoholic form seeing him drunk once. I totally would like to know your credentials as a Substance Abuse Counselor. I drank these two bottles of wine the other night, and I couldn't stop till I drank them both. Then I had sex with my wife. (Maybe it was just the pillow)
Do I have a problem? If you know anything about substance abuse, especially alcohol abuse, you can pretty well see that he's unable to handle alcohol. - Drank to excess so that he didn't even remember what he said - So much in denial about his drinking issue that his first response was to tell people to **** off when he saw criticism - Alcoholic to the point that when he was supposed to do a presentation, the stress and fear he had from trying to be entertaining saw him get drunk to the point of complete verbal sloppiness. - Obviously he has some deep-seated dark issues to deal with, if consuming alcohol leads his personality to want to try to bully and drive someone to commit suicide. Even with just a cursory understanding of this person, it's pretty obvious that he needs some serious counseling and substance abuse therapy. A person with these sorts of issues shouldn't be serving on the CSM, representing thousands of players. And since CCP is so loose with providing alcohol, having an abject alcoholic flying to Iceland isn't really a good venue for him to begin with.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
208
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:33:00 -
[431] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:This topic is going sideways, to be chairman or not to be, to be CSM or GSF leader, to be part of the Sandbox or to be morally constrained by the real world. This is a lot of bullshit and knowing Alex for the past year, him being able to separate his role as CSM chairman and his role of the evil Goonswarm empire CEO, and doing a damn good job at it, while representing the views of those that are cursing him right now in this thread. Well aint this just so polliticly correct thing to do eh?
In other news, am stuck waiting for my next flight in Sydney, this thread does provide some mild entertainment, but I must reflect on the things CSM6 must do in the view of the CCP's keynotes at the Fanfest. I think Alex (Mittani) will do the same if you stop this silliness.
Why do I get the feeling you were one of the smart guys who worked hard behind the scenes in CSM6 |
Tsalaroth
BRG Corp Acquisition Of Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:33:00 -
[432] - Quote
This thread has got to be the funniest thing I've read in a long, long time.
Alex - your apology seemed sincere. Try not to screw up like that again. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
941
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:34:00 -
[433] - Quote
Stop it !!
- I can't read one page another is already there, also: aren't you finished yet you nerds?
Move on, nothing to see here.
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:34:00 -
[434] - Quote
XavierVE wrote:Ni Cho wrote:So basically your judging this guy as an alcoholic form seeing him drunk once. I totally would like to know your credentials as a Substance Abuse Counselor. I drank these two bottles of wine the other night, and I couldn't stop till I drank them both. Then I had sex with my wife. (Maybe it was just the pillow)
Do I have a problem? If you know anything about substance abuse, especially alcohol abuse, you can pretty well see that he's unable to handle alcohol. - Drank to excess so that he didn't even remember what he said - So much in denial about his drinking issue that his first response was to tell people to **** off when he saw criticism - Alcoholic to the point that when he was supposed to do a presentation, the stress and fear he had from trying to be entertaining saw him get drunk to the point of complete verbal sloppiness. - Obviously he has some deep-seated dark issues to deal with, if consuming alcohol leads his personality to want to try to bully and drive someone to commit suicide. Even with just a cursory understanding of this person, it's pretty obvious that he needs some serious counseling and substance abuse therapy. A person with these sorts of issues shouldn't be serving on the CSM, representing thousands of players. And since CCP is so loose with providing alcohol, having an abject alcoholic flying to Iceland isn't really a good venue for him to begin with.
hey
im internet diagnosing you with assburgers
-bad posts -pee pee -poo poo
peace |
stoicfaux
827
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:34:00 -
[435] - Quote
Xython wrote:stoicfaux wrote:+1 iff the miner in question is satisfied.
Has anyone notified the various game mags of the apology? Especially the ones in the Euro time zones?
They won't care. A scandal is news, a Mea Culpa isn't. Yes, but... if CCP/CSM/PlayerBase can spin this as how a mature[1] group of players can resolve a scandal without excessive bloodshed (aka, without the Heavy Hand of Management) then this could be an "advertising" opportunity for Eve. Make lemonade if given lemons (but combustible lemons are better.)
The trick though, as you pointed out, is how to get the news sites to publish the mea cupla. I'm thinking the CCP would need to issue a public statement on the matter of the apology that the new sites would be "obligated" to print. (Meaning, news sites are lazy, if you give them something to print, they will print it.)
It's late, I'm tired. G'night all and good luck CCP.
[1] Relatively speaking. Mature as in, Eve is an MMO that doesn't hold your hand, aka CCP treats its player base as adults and not as a bunch of rambunctious, misbehaving, diaper wearing WoW children.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
113
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:35:00 -
[436] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:This topic is going sideways, to be chairman or not to be, to be CSM or GSF leader, to be part of the Sandbox or to be morally constrained by the real world. This is a lot of bullshit and knowing Alex for the past year, him being able to separate his role as CSM chairman and his role of the evil Goonswarm empire CEO, and doing a damn good job at it, while representing the views of those that are cursing him right now in this thread. Well aint this just so polliticly correct thing to do eh?
In other news, am stuck waiting for my next flight in Sydney, this thread does provide some mild entertainment, but I must reflect on the things CSM6 must do in the view of the CCP's keynotes at the Fanfest. I think Alex (Mittani) will do the same if you stop this silliness.
This should literally be quoted on every single goddamn page of this thread. I've said it before; there is no facepalm big enough for this entire shitstorm. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
381
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:35:00 -
[437] - Quote
Nambr1 wrote:i don't understand aspie, sorry
Let me translate to ******** pubbie dipshit for you then:
GOONS AM NOT 10,000 ACCOUNT STRONG OTHER PEOPLE AM VOTE FOR MITTANI MITTANI AM VERY VERY POPLAR1! DEAL WITH IT CRY MORE NOOB
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Kridak
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:35:00 -
[438] - Quote
I was mildly offended by you bringing that eve-mail in particular. But it lasted for about 2 seconds and I wrote it off as something The Mittani does and laughed just as much as everyone else were doing.
And if indeed being too drunk was the factor, an apology is of course necessary and commendable. Everyone makes mistakes, at least I also don't judge people by theirs.
It's so easy to qq and get offended by things but free speech has to come into it at some point. Bullying might be illegal in some countries but where does that mean for EVE? According to CCP bullying is required, anything goes, I know that going into the game, everyone has to be on the same level or we can turn off all PvP and text in all games right now. Played any XBOX 360 lately?
Apology? Fine, even admirable!
RESIGN? HELL NO!
If every elected official resigned after a mistake we'd have no elected officials. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
586
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:35:00 -
[439] - Quote
STAY CALM |
Crusher1
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:35:00 -
[440] - Quote
I don't think it's enough. Take this as a lesson in life and be thankful the guy wasn't that unstable. You've clearly crossed the line between gaming and real life. Had he taken his life an apology would not of kept you from going to jail. Not to mention mainstream media would of of plastered your name everywhere. Not to mention all but ruined CCP's name.
I think the question comes down to will this come back to haunt CCP in the future if they don't do anything. They got a pretty tough choice to make
I don't mind Goonswarm or have anything against them or Alex. I think the Eve universe is would be a little less exciting without them. But as said this was clearly over the line and being drunk is not an acceptable excuse. |
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OfBalance
Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:36:00 -
[441] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:STAY CALM
MIND THE GAP |
Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:36:00 -
[442] - Quote
I heard that George Michael is depressed. He has a corp too. Go harass him~ OH GOD WHAT DID I JUST SAY? |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:37:00 -
[443] - Quote
XavierVE wrote: trying to be entertaining
You misunderstand. He has never been entertaining. Watch some of his previous panels. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1264
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:37:00 -
[444] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Xython wrote:stoicfaux wrote:+1 iff the miner in question is satisfied.
Has anyone notified the various game mags of the apology? Especially the ones in the Euro time zones?
They won't care. A scandal is news, a Mea Culpa isn't. Yes, but... if CCP/CSM/PlayerBase can spin this as how a mature[1] group of players can resolve a scandal without excessive bloodshed (aka, without the Heavy Hand of Management) then this could be an "advertising" opportunity for Eve. Make lemonade if given lemons (but combustible lemons are better.) The trick though, as you pointed out, is how to get the news sites to publish the mea cupla. I'm thinking the CCP would need to issue a public statement on the matter of the apology that the new sites would be "obligated" to print. (Meaning, news sites are lazy, if you give them something to print, they will print it.) It's late, I'm tired. G'night all and good luck CCP. [1] Relatively speaking. Mature as in, Eve is an MMO that doesn't hold your hand, aka CCP treats its player base as adults and not as a bunch of rambunctious, misbehaving, diaper wearing WoW children.
Bonus points to you sir. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Mandy Spencer
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:37:00 -
[445] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:This topic is going sideways, to be chairman or not to be, to be CSM or GSF leader, to be part of the Sandbox or to be morally constrained by the real world. This is a lot of bullshit and knowing Alex for the past year, him being able to separate his role as CSM chairman and his role of the evil Goonswarm empire CEO, and doing a damn good job at it, while representing the views of those that are cursing him right now in this thread. Well aint this just so polliticly correct thing to do eh?
In other news, am stuck waiting for my next flight in Sydney, this thread does provide some mild entertainment, but I must reflect on the things CSM6 must do in the view of the CCP's keynotes at the Fanfest. I think Alex (Mittani) will do the same if you stop this silliness.
You are "The Mittani" in EVE, in real life you are "Alex" whatever he is called. What we saw is Alex whatever, part of the CSM representing you and me... If you are ok with such an embarrasement, fine... I dont and I am sure many are with me on that feeling. |
Bane Necran
155
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:37:00 -
[446] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:However, I think it's a bit of a reach to insist that the crime of "Cyber Bullying" has been committed when the victim is completely unaware of it and finds the whole matter a joke.
It's like drinking and driving still being bad even if you don't get in an accident. You can't go around making light of suicidal people like that because it just takes once. And even if you do, you should have the sense not to do it where he did. It reflects poorly on CCP, EVE players, and the CSM. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
114
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:37:00 -
[447] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:This topic is going sideways, to be chairman or not to be, to be CSM or GSF leader, to be part of the Sandbox or to be morally constrained by the real world. This is a lot of bullshit and knowing Alex for the past year, him being able to separate his role as CSM chairman and his role of the evil Goonswarm empire CEO, and doing a damn good job at it, while representing the views of those that are cursing him right now in this thread. Well aint this just so polliticly correct thing to do eh?
In other news, am stuck waiting for my next flight in Sydney, this thread does provide some mild entertainment, but I must reflect on the things CSM6 must do in the view of the CCP's keynotes at the Fanfest. I think Alex (Mittani) will do the same if you stop this silliness.
Never stop quoting. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
209
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:37:00 -
[448] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:STAY CALM
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
Pahineh Amelana
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:38:00 -
[449] - Quote
Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.
You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear) You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest) Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)
Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?
Just goes to show how sincere this apology really is.
Bigger people in the real world have apologized and resigned from real positions of power, for much much smaller things. That being said, make the sacrifice to make it sincere. Integrity.
If you had not made it a part of your actual presentation, it could be ran off as a mistake, mis-speaking. If your fellow members didn't stand behind what you said, and pander all over the EVE-O forums like monkeys, it could have again, been ran off as a mistake.
The fact is you made this an actual part of your presentation, then followed through with presenting it, as humor. Then your members, friends, associates, supporters ran all over the EVE-O forums stating their support of your words, for this or that reason, further creating even more problems, divides and ultimately much deeper issues within the eve community.
Apologizing for bumping into someone. acceptable Apologizing for spilling some water on someone on accident. acceptable Apologizing for accidentally hurting someone. acceptable
Apologizing for deliberately trying to cause harm to someone utilizing a video game as your execution platform. Unacceptable. Apologizing for egging others on to cause harm to another via a video game. Unacceptable.
It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest. Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:39:00 -
[450] - Quote
~Russian White Knight~ |
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Steelshine
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:40:00 -
[451] - Quote
Is it a ren fair or are there just a ton of white knights in this thread? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:40:00 -
[452] - Quote
Lolmer wrote:CCP is not a public company and has no shareholders. It has loans, but no public shares to trade on the market to go up or down from any publicity.
I don't remember what date this was but;
Major Shareholders At the date of this Prospectus there were 97 shareholders in CCP. The ten largest shareholders owned a total of 97.9% of the Company's issued share capital. NP ehf 33.99 Teno Investments S.-.R.L 17.21 Reynir Har+¦arson 11.37 Arion safnreikningur 5.60 Matthfas Gu+¦mundsson 3.72 Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson 2.82 Novator ehf 2.56 Frosti Sigurj+¦nsson 2.44 Fri+¦rik +ûrn Haraldsson 2.42 Gu+¦mundur Kristinsson ehf 2.39 |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
440
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:41:00 -
[453] - Quote
OfBalance wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:STAY CALM MIND THE GAP
STEER OFF MY BRA! Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
217
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:42:00 -
[454] - Quote
Pahineh Amelana wrote:Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.
You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear) You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest) Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)
Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?
Just goes to show how sincere this apology really is.
Bigger people in the real world have apologized and resigned from real positions of power, for much much smaller things. That being said, make the sacrifice to make it sincere. Integrity.
If you had not made it a part of your actual presentation, it could be ran off as a mistake, mis-speaking. If your fellow members didn't stand behind what you said, and pander all over the EVE-O forums like monkeys, it could have again, been ran off as a mistake.
The fact is you made this an actual part of your presentation, then followed through with presenting it, as humor. Then your members, friends, associates, supporters ran all over the EVE-O forums stating their support of your words, for this or that reason, further creating even more problems, divides and ultimately much deeper issues within the eve community.
Apologizing for bumping into someone. acceptable Apologizing for spilling some water on someone on accident. acceptable Apologizing for accidentally hurting someone. acceptable
Apologizing for deliberately trying to cause harm to someone utilizing a video game as your execution platform. Unacceptable. Apologizing for egging others on to cause harm to another via a video game. Unacceptable.
It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest. Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.
They keep trying to spin the story away from him stepping down.
He needs to be off the CSM and try again next year. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:42:00 -
[455] - Quote
Pahineh Amelana wrote:
It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest. Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.
Did you miss the part where the victim in question is a 30-something year old guy who doesn't remember the incident and doesn't really care? Post with your titan main you gigantic baby, your precious ship is still getting nerfed. |
Liam Mirren
366
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:42:00 -
[456] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:OfBalance wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:STAY CALM MIND THE GAP STEER OFF MY BRA!
FLBP Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Kridak
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:42:00 -
[457] - Quote
Xython wrote:Nambr1 wrote:i don't understand aspie, sorry Let me translate to ******** pubbie dipshit for you then: GOONS AM NOT 10,000 ACCOUNT STRONG OTHER PEOPLE AM VOTE FOR MITTANI MITTANI AM VERY VERY POPLAR1! DEAL WITH IT CRY MORE NOOB
HEY!
[sarcasm] I'm an Aspie and I don't find that offensive! RESIGN! [/sarcasm]
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Mcrager
Legio Geminatus Gentlemen's Agreement
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:42:00 -
[458] - Quote
Pahineh Amelana wrote:Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.
You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear) You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest) Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)
Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?
Just goes to show how sincere this apology really is.
Bigger people in the real world have apologized and resigned from real positions of power, for much much smaller things. That being said, make the sacrifice to make it sincere. Integrity.
If you had not made it a part of your actual presentation, it could be ran off as a mistake, mis-speaking. If your fellow members didn't stand behind what you said, and pander all over the EVE-O forums like monkeys, it could have again, been ran off as a mistake.
The fact is you made this an actual part of your presentation, then followed through with presenting it, as humor. Then your members, friends, associates, supporters ran all over the EVE-O forums stating their support of your words, for this or that reason, further creating even more problems, divides and ultimately much deeper issues within the eve community.
Apologizing for bumping into someone. acceptable Apologizing for spilling some water on someone on accident. acceptable Apologizing for accidentally hurting someone. acceptable
Apologizing for deliberately trying to cause harm to someone utilizing a video game as your execution platform. Unacceptable. Apologizing for egging others on to cause harm to another via a video game. Unacceptable.
It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest. Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.
Someone in Cod told me to kill myself , can i have a threadnaught now?
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Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:43:00 -
[459] - Quote
Every single person in this thread asking for Mittani to step down because they've shamed them and he's not their representative anymore should probably also mention who actually got their votes during the voting period. Because he got 2 from me and I sure don't want to see him resign as either Chairman or a CSM member. |
Demarcus
Killjoy.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:43:00 -
[460] - Quote
Let me preface the following by saying that, even in "real life" at the Fan Fest I consider all attendees to be "in character". We love EVE, we are EVE that is why people go.
With that said, no apology is good enough in game or out for what you said. You stepped far over the line.
You need to do the right thing and resign your CMS7 position immediately. Your opinions are obviously not representative of the player base. I have a feeling that resigning the position will save face for you, because with the publicity this is getting CCP might find that doing it themselves is the best option. |
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GoodSamaritan
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:43:00 -
[461] - Quote
EVE: the terrible game where terrible people do terrible things.
Maybe they'll rename the next patch EVE: Incontinence.
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David Carel
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
206
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:43:00 -
[462] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Lolmer wrote:CCP is not a public company and has no shareholders. It has loans, but no public shares to trade on the market to go up or down from any publicity. I don't remember what date this was but; Major Shareholders At the date of this Prospectus there were 97 shareholders in CCP. The ten largest shareholders owned a total of 97.9% of the Company's issued share capital. NP ehf 33.99 Teno Investments S.-.R.L 17.21 Reynir Har+¦arson 11.37 Arion safnreikningur 5.60 Matthfas Gu+¦mundsson 3.72 Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson 2.82 Novator ehf 2.56 Frosti Sigurj+¦nsson 2.44 Fri+¦rik +ûrn Haraldsson 2.42 Gu+¦mundur Kristinsson ehf 2.39
I haven't seen CCP being traded, though. |
Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:44:00 -
[463] - Quote
None of the white knights give a **** about the Wis
All they care about is yammering on with there pitchforks held high trying to get Mittani to resign....which he just might.
The Mittani clearly before he got scared didn't give a **** about what he said. He stated in another thread that he remembers clearly saying the guys name and telling people to gank his Mackinaws. So he wasn't THAT drunk.
The Wis is fine, was oblivious to all this **** AND made a joke about suicide
This is what i have learned.
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Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:44:00 -
[464] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
You peace ****. You come here now and claim you didn't have any ******* clue of.. STOP!
Now your pissing in our face trying to cover your tracks. This post is full BS because the heat got turned up on you.
A child lies to you because he thinks he's smarter than you, then after you tell him you know he's lying he still thinks he's smarter than you and lies to your face again.
You are a waste of space. Real space and EVE space. **** off.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:44:00 -
[465] - Quote
don't know anything about that but it definitely does have shareholders |
Citamarret
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:44:00 -
[466] - Quote
the only solution is to let The Wis pod mittens
keep a link to the km at the top of the forums so that he will be Eternally Owned. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1264
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:45:00 -
[467] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:However, I think it's a bit of a reach to insist that the crime of "Cyber Bullying" has been committed when the victim is completely unaware of it and finds the whole matter a joke. It's like drinking and driving still being bad even if you don't get in an accident. You can't go around making light of suicidal people like that because it just takes once. And even if you do, you should have the sense not to do it where he did. It reflects poorly on CCP, EVE players, and the CSM.
What?
Drinking and driving is an act that in itself is a crime. If no accident occurs and no one is harmed, it is still a crime.
Cyber Bullying is NOT a victimless crime. By it's definition it requires a victim being bullied to be a crime. In this case the person portrayed as the "victim" doesn't give a rats ass about the whole thing, thinks it's a big joke, and came out 10 bil ahead in the game.
Trying to convince someone that they are a victim when they, as a mature adult, firmly and honestly state that they were not victimized is the height of stupidity.
This got exactly what it warranted, and apology for a bad joke at the players expense (even though he wasn't aware of it). When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Kyle Valentine
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:45:00 -
[468] - Quote
Another solution ! Drink more the next time ! So, you can't talk at all ! |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
382
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:45:00 -
[469] - Quote
Pahineh Amelana wrote:Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.
You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear) You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest) Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)
Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?
He just got home you moron, or did you think the CSM left Iceland immediately?
The second he got access he tweeted a "oh crap, I ****** up" tweet, this is an extension of that.
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Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:45:00 -
[470] - Quote
If CCP do not act then for their sake I sincerely hope that Sony do not get wind of the fact that an eve community representative has actively encouraged the harassful persuit of a player in game who has exuded mental problems or vulnerabilities.
I am certain these are not the kind of "gaming ideals" they would encourage as "entertainment" with Eve Online soon being connected to the Playstation Network.
The Line was Crossed. |
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Endeavour Starfleet
749
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:45:00 -
[471] - Quote
Alex, The reason I respect you both in and out of game is because you know when it is time to drop the bullshit and do what is right.
Yes this is my alt. I know you state that you don't take alts seriously. Yet you took the time to be serious with me when I had questions during your CSM 7 candidacy. You could have just told me to **** off but you did not and took my posts seriously. For that you have my thanks.
And I notice you take some positions on topics that frankly seem to disadvantage goons in favor of EVE. You have shown at least to me that you take the good of the game seriously in a sea of people that want to nerf everything that is not them in sight.
We need to move on past this. We still have CCP doing shiny **** while BADLY needed Corp and POS fixes are pushed off to 2013. We don't have time for this **** anymore.
Do your job Alex and ignore the idiots! |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:46:00 -
[472] - Quote
You pulled a Derpy It's cool |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
388
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:46:00 -
[473] - Quote
Kyle Valentine wrote:Another solution ! Drink more the next time ! So, you can't talk at all !
I fully support this, although I do not think they'll be allowing drinks next time. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
223
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:47:00 -
[474] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Pahineh Amelana wrote:
It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest. Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.
Did you miss the part where the victim in question is a 30-something year old guy who doesn't remember the incident and doesn't really care? Post with your titan main you gigantic baby, your precious ship is still getting nerfed.
None of that matters at all to the argument. Its almost irrelevant on the whole.
Mittani was organizing a lynch mob at a panel. Thats whats messed up.
And why he needs to step down from the CSM. |
Vxrasa
The Riot Formation Get Off My Lawn
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:47:00 -
[475] - Quote
What the christ?
I don't care if some depressed miner somewhere in the world did or did not commit suicide, and I fail to see what The Mitanni drunk-spewing words out of his mouth at Fanfest has to do with this man's mental state.
Why is there a thread about this and not a thread about things that actually matter and are terrible, for example, the chaos and violence in The Gaza Strip? |
Captain Trousers
Thunderwaffles Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:47:00 -
[476] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:You said some unkind things about me at fanfest as well as on the radio show and after we got off air. You did not tell me to kill myself but you did call me a "***" and made fun of my disability.
You seem to only say sorry when their are consequences should you not say sorry, you let consequences dictate your actions rather than governing yourself with a sense of morality.
Sorry to go off topic here, but your signature says to still vote for you. Just wanted to be sure that was still valid? |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
942
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:47:00 -
[477] - Quote
Citamarret wrote:the only solution is to let The Wis pod mittens
keep a link to the km at the top of the forums so that he will be Eternally Owned.
All those nerds barking to mittens.
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Demarcus
Killjoy.
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:47:00 -
[478] - Quote
Shade Severii wrote:All they care about is yammering on with there pitchforks held high trying to get Mittani to resign....which he just might.
Which he should, sometimes in life you just need to man the F up and do the right thing. |
Jafit
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
74
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:47:00 -
[479] - Quote
Citamarret wrote:the only solution is to let The Wis pod mittens
keep a link to the km at the top of the forums so that he will be Eternally Owned.
I unironically support this idea. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:48:00 -
[480] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:This topic is going sideways, to be chairman or not to be, to be CSM or GSF leader, to be part of the Sandbox or to be morally constrained by the real world. This is a lot of bullshit and knowing Alex for the past year, him being able to separate his role as CSM chairman and his role of the evil Goonswarm empire CEO, and doing a damn good job at it, while representing the views of those that are cursing him right now in this thread. Well aint this just so polliticly correct thing to do eh?
In other news, am stuck waiting for my next flight in Sydney, this thread does provide some mild entertainment, but I must reflect on the things CSM6 must do in the view of the CCP's keynotes at the Fanfest. I think Alex (Mittani) will do the same if you stop this silliness.
Krutoj, at least I know that if Mittens resigns we have guys like you in there keeping half sentient morons like Darius from doing something stupid - oh wait, Darius doesn't do anything but disclose confidential information for Riverini lololol. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
223
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:48:00 -
[481] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:However, I think it's a bit of a reach to insist that the crime of "Cyber Bullying" has been committed when the victim is completely unaware of it and finds the whole matter a joke. It's like drinking and driving still being bad even if you don't get in an accident. You can't go around making light of suicidal people like that because it just takes once. And even if you do, you should have the sense not to do it where he did. It reflects poorly on CCP, EVE players, and the CSM. What? Drinking and driving is an act that in itself is a crime. If no accident occurs and no one is harmed, it is still a crime. Cyber Bullying is NOT a victimless crime. By it's definition it requires a victim being bullied to be a crime. In this case the person portrayed as the "victim" doesn't give a rats ass about the whole thing, thinks it's a big joke, and came out 10 bil ahead in the game. Trying to convince someone that they are a victim when they, as a mature adult, firmly and honestly state that they were not victimized is the height of stupidity. This got exactly what it warranted, and apology for a bad joke at the players expense (even though he wasn't aware of it).
What about the next person it happens too?
And example must be made.
Mittens needs to be a man about this and step down from the CSM at this point like he originally said he would.
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Demarcus
Killjoy.
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:48:00 -
[482] - Quote
Vxrasa wrote:What the christ? I don't care if some depressed miner somewhere in the world did or did not commit suicide, and I fail to see what The Mitanni drunk-spewing words out of his mouth at Fanfest has to do with this man's mental state. Why is there a thread about this and not a thread about things that actually matter and are terrible, for example, the chaos and violence in The Gaza Strip?
Dude, your an a$$hole. |
Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:49:00 -
[483] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Lolmer wrote:CCP is not a public company and has no shareholders. It has loans, but no public shares to trade on the market to go up or down from any publicity. I don't remember what date this was but; Major Shareholders At the date of this Prospectus there were 97 shareholders in CCP. The ten largest shareholders owned a total of 97.9% of the Company's issued share capital. NP ehf 33.99 Teno Investments S.-.R.L 17.21 Reynir Har+¦arson 11.37 Arion safnreikningur 5.60 Matthfas Gu+¦mundsson 3.72 Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson 2.82 Novator ehf 2.56 Frosti Sigurj+¦nsson 2.44 Fri+¦rik +ûrn Haraldsson 2.42 Gu+¦mundur Kristinsson ehf 2.39
Just means it is a privately owned corporation. Lots of private but large companies are structured this way with the majority of the stock held by a group of founders or by a founding family or spread among the employees. It is only a public company if the shares can be publicly traded. Otherwise the shares are owned simply by whomever the company chooses to sell them to. |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:50:00 -
[484] - Quote
I'll take his apology as sincere. I think resigning is a little extreme, though, if CCP decides to remove him from the CSM, then so be it. But the object of this seems to not be terribly bothered with anything other than more mining.
If anything then The Mittani can declare him off limits to Goon ganking and buy him some Mackinaws or something. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
388
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:50:00 -
[485] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Daviclond wrote:Pahineh Amelana wrote:
It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest. Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.
Did you miss the part where the victim in question is a 30-something year old guy who doesn't remember the incident and doesn't really care? Post with your titan main you gigantic baby, your precious ship is still getting nerfed. None of that matters at all to the argument. Its almost irrelevant on the whole. Mittani was organizing a lynch mob at a panel. Thats whats messed up. And why he needs to step down from the CSM.
Yes, we totally believe this. We goons were getting the ion cannon ready to ruin this guy's life. We had private investigators looking into his personal details and were going to start sending flaming bags of poo nightly.
... Are you that ******* stupid?
This is about as stupid and intentionally disingenuous as seeing the Hulkageddon admin get banned for saying "die in a fire" to someone. |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:51:00 -
[486] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Daviclond wrote:Pahineh Amelana wrote:
It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest. Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.
Did you miss the part where the victim in question is a 30-something year old guy who doesn't remember the incident and doesn't really care? Post with your titan main you gigantic baby, your precious ship is still getting nerfed. None of that matters at all to the argument. Its almost irrelevant on the whole. Mittani was organizing a lynch mob at a panel. Thats whats messed up. And why he needs to step down from the CSM.
A lynch mob to go blow someone up... That's sorta like forming a fleet isn't it?
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Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:52:00 -
[487] - Quote
Lame I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1264
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:52:00 -
[488] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:However, I think it's a bit of a reach to insist that the crime of "Cyber Bullying" has been committed when the victim is completely unaware of it and finds the whole matter a joke. It's like drinking and driving still being bad even if you don't get in an accident. You can't go around making light of suicidal people like that because it just takes once. And even if you do, you should have the sense not to do it where he did. It reflects poorly on CCP, EVE players, and the CSM. What? Drinking and driving is an act that in itself is a crime. If no accident occurs and no one is harmed, it is still a crime. Cyber Bullying is NOT a victimless crime. By it's definition it requires a victim being bullied to be a crime. In this case the person portrayed as the "victim" doesn't give a rats ass about the whole thing, thinks it's a big joke, and came out 10 bil ahead in the game. Trying to convince someone that they are a victim when they, as a mature adult, firmly and honestly state that they were not victimized is the height of stupidity. This got exactly what it warranted, and apology for a bad joke at the players expense (even though he wasn't aware of it). What about the next person it happens too? And example must be made. Mittens needs to be a man about this and step down from the CSM at this point like he originally said he would.
The "next" time this happens it should be handled based on it's own merits... just as this one has been (so far).
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:52:00 -
[489] - Quote
he posted they don't have shareholders, he was wrong that's all I'm sayin |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
85
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:52:00 -
[490] - Quote
XavierVE wrote:
If you know anything about substance abuse, especially alcohol abuse, you can pretty well see that he's unable to handle alcohol.
I very much do know something about substance abuse, having watched it tear apart many lives and having my abuse of methamphetamines drive me crazy. Let me tell you why you're a ******* ******...
"- Drank to excess so that he didn't even remember what he said"
Although the supposed blackouts (which I have never, ever had no matter how hammered I am--and I've been VERY ****** up) are a sign of abuse, forgetting one off the cuff remark you made in a night of inhibition is not something to be worried about.
"- So much in denial about his drinking issue that his first response was to tell people to **** off when he saw criticism"
Sometimes that's an entirely appropriate response. It's completely understandable that he thought people were crying about his presentation and not the remark he made after. There's some paper thin pussies that play EvE.
"- Alcoholic to the point that when he was supposed to do a presentation, the stress and fear he had from trying to be entertaining saw him get drunk to the point of complete verbal sloppiness. "
He was certainly loaded, but not as obviously as much as the TEST guy. That dude was acting the dipshit...kicking his chair around, etc... Doing something like that at a PARTY (which is what those fanfests are if you've ever even been to one) is not something to be concerned about. It's not like he was driving or operating heavy machinery...or putting on some sophisticated presentation about important issues. It was a ******* party and parties are meant to have fun. For some people that means letting lose and going ahead and getting drunk when you "shouldn't".
"- Obviously he has some deep-seated dark issues to deal with, if consuming alcohol leads his personality to want to try to bully and drive someone to commit suicide. "
Anyone that's spent the least amount of time studying the human psyche, even from a layman perspective such as myself, knows full well that group dynamics can get people to do things they might otherwise find abhorent. Is it an excuse? No. And I don't see him claiming it as such. He said something stupid at a party, and he appologized for it. He recognizes the error, how bat it was...I don't see a "deep seated, dark issue" here.
"Even with just a cursory understanding of this person, it's pretty obvious that he needs some serious counseling and substance abuse therapy. A person with these sorts of issues shouldn't be serving on the CSM, representing thousands of players. And since CCP is so loose with providing alcohol, having an abject alcoholic flying to Iceland isn't really a good venue for him to begin with."
I find that people tend to lecture others regarding things that they themselves need to work on. We see in each other that which we find most undesirable about ourselves more often than not. Perhaps it is YOU with the substance abuse problem...in fact, I would put a great deal of money betting down that you're in AA or NA. Never ceases to amaze me how much peolpe who've "recovered" from substance abuse end up trying to convert everyone into thinking they've all got the same problem. Sorry to have to be the one to bust your bubble guy, but some people can get drunk, have a great time...and not ruin their lives and health in the process.
Even moderation must be had in moderation.
You may now return to your high horse and smug attitude. |
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
606
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:52:00 -
[491] - Quote
Demarcus wrote:Vxrasa wrote:What the christ? I don't care if some depressed miner somewhere in the world did or did not commit suicide, and I fail to see what The Mitanni drunk-spewing words out of his mouth at Fanfest has to do with this man's mental state. Why is there a thread about this and not a thread about things that actually matter and are terrible, for example, the chaos and violence in The Gaza Strip? Dude, your an a$$hole.
You're a Killjoy.
Get it? |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
780
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:52:00 -
[492] - Quote
from WHAT THE MITTANI SHOULD DO
Doing a segment on tears during the Alliance Panel was a fine idea. Lots of hilarious tears to go around in this game. Lots of rage worthy of recognition. There is a line though, anonymous or not. It was in poor taste to bring attention to someone with mental instability, even if it was your sober intention to keep their identity anonymous. Mental instability holds little humour. It's just sad and sorry, personal and private. The Mittani has likely encountered enough tears in his career that he could have left this dude on the cutting room floor and went with any of ten other actually hilarious examples.
The Mittani has posted his apology. Which I accept as a member of the community.
That said, I still have a couple of problems with presentation. His drunkenness during the panel is no excuse, certainly. It obviously pushed him over that line, the spotlight of the moment, the recognition, the encouragement, wanting to please the crowd that tad more. What I find a tad disingenuous, though, is that he was very likely sober when he included the suspect slide in his presentation. So whereas he went over the line by naming the person in question at Fanfest, he did in fact, while sober, feel that mocking the Mackinaw miner (albeit with every intention to do it anonymously) was still a mighty fine and hilarious idea. If I'd been there laughing at his presentation, I'd have stopped the moment he opened up the poor gentleman's private life to ridicule and scorn. That **** ain't funny.
Unfortunately the damage has been done. People may forget about this dude. They probably won't. In essence, he's adopted a very public reputation he'd probably like to shed. Except that he cannot. Thanks to The Mittani.
What should The Mittani do to solve this problem? Offer a trade. Our CSM chairman, no doubt, has a number of alt accounts, accounts only known to himself. (He is the spymaster, after all.) He should offer to give one of those accounts to the poor, outed guy in exchange for the poor, outed guy's account. The Mittani gets the damaged account, the reputation given to it now null and void. The poor fellow can now have a new start in game, with anonymity. He no longer has to drag around with him the mistake of The Mittani.
The King of Space can throw in a couple billion ISK as well.
I do not think The Mittani needs to resign from the CSM. I quite like what he does for the community, for the game, and I think he does a good job as chairman. I would hope at future events he'll tend towards more soberness, and show more social awareness in-character and out-of-character while representing EVE Online.
***
I have more to say on the Alliance Panel itself, which I think has become an embarrassment to Fanfest. It's become nothing more than one-upmanship, each panelist trying be the bigger badder meaner ass. (Michael BoltonIII wins this every year.) Going forward, breathalyzers should be given to all panelists before stepping on stage. The last useful alliance panel was 2010, I believe, EVE Vegas, with DNS Black. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:53:00 -
[493] - Quote
Vxrasa wrote:What the christ? I don't care if some depressed miner somewhere in the world did or did not commit suicide, and I fail to see what The Mitanni drunk-spewing words out of his mouth at Fanfest has to do with this man's mental state. Why is there a thread about this and not a thread about things that actually matter and are terrible, for example, the chaos and violence in The Gaza Strip? Representatives from Sony Entertainment might disagree with you. Maybe if they get wind of this it might open their eyes to what sort of individuals who are deemed as figureheads of the eve community they are about to within time "expose" to their existing network playerbase. |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
238
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:53:00 -
[494] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:However, I think it's a bit of a reach to insist that the crime of "Cyber Bullying" has been committed when the victim is completely unaware of it and finds the whole matter a joke. It's like drinking and driving still being bad even if you don't get in an accident. You can't go around making light of suicidal people like that because it just takes once. And even if you do, you should have the sense not to do it where he did. It reflects poorly on CCP, EVE players, and the CSM. What? Drinking and driving is an act that in itself is a crime. If no accident occurs and no one is harmed, it is still a crime. Cyber Bullying is NOT a victimless crime. By it's definition it requires a victim being bullied to be a crime. In this case the person portrayed as the "victim" doesn't give a rats ass about the whole thing, thinks it's a big joke, and came out 10 bil ahead in the game. Trying to convince someone that they are a victim when they, as a mature adult, firmly and honestly state that they were not victimized is the height of stupidity. This got exactly what it warranted, and apology for a bad joke at the players expense (even though he wasn't aware of it). What about the next person it happens too? And example must be made. Mittens needs to be a man about this and step down from the CSM at this point like he originally said he would.
CCP won't let him remain as chair for certain, the bad press this is generating and with dust coming out this year it would be a nightmare if every press question is "so you support cyber bullying?" |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:53:00 -
[495] - Quote
Why haven't we heard anyone complaining about the horrible embarrassment suffered by those poor people who had their singing played during the panel? Oh how they must have died. |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1109
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:53:00 -
[496] - Quote
He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.
He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.
~1282~ CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:54:00 -
[497] - Quote
Princess Nana wrote:If CCP do not act then for their sake I sincerely hope that Sony do not get wind of the fact that an eve community representative has actively encouraged the harassful persuit of a player in game who has exuded mental problems or vulnerabilities without sanction.
I am certain these are not the kind of "gaming ideals" they would encourage as "entertainment" with Eve Online soon to be connected to the Playstation Network.
The Line was Crossed.
I'm most certain Sony is meeting AS WE TYPE.
IF CCP takes no action to their satisfaction, you may as well kiss that uber-cool EVE/DUST Link good-bye.
It matters not what the Goons think, or what the rest of the players think at this point.
This is exactly the type of thing that brings businesses down.
And we only need to look back 10 months to remember JUST HOW FRAGILE CCP REALLY IS.
I'd be real worried about playing EVE on any long term basis depending on how this turns out. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:54:00 -
[498] - Quote
Darius III.... even when he tries, he can't format a post properly. |
Artemis Ahab
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:55:00 -
[499] - Quote
Just have him record himself doing the caramelldansen in his Evil Mittenz underoos and post it on youtube. Would that prove his sincerity? Sounds like a plan! Hop to, Mittenz!
My first ever sniper and I missed it |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:55:00 -
[500] - Quote
Also you people think Sony cares about what people think...... hilarious! Let me tell you about a little game called Star Wars Galaxies.... |
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Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:56:00 -
[501] - Quote
Darius III wrote:He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.
He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.
~1282~
And you promise them plex for votes. And break NDA's. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
389
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:56:00 -
[502] - Quote
Benilopax wrote:CCP won't let him remain as chair for certain, the bad press this is generating and with dust coming out this year it would be a nightmare if every press question is "so you support cyber bullying?"
Yes. Bad press. A bunch of MMORPG sites reposting a blog post from someone who is almost definitely in these threads ranting about how the big bad goonies destroyed their Hulk and it took them hours to get the bot script working again.
This is only a scandal in the minds of a bunch of pathetic Cyberstalkers with an axe to grind.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:56:00 -
[503] - Quote
Vxrasa wrote:What the christ? I don't care if some depressed miner somewhere in the world did or did not commit suicide, and I fail to see what The Mitanni drunk-spewing words out of his mouth at Fanfest has to do with this man's mental state. Why is there a thread about this and not a thread about things that actually matter and are terrible, for example, the chaos and violence in The Gaza Strip?
While I wholeheartedly believe we should all support the BDS movement I do not believe that the Mittani should get away with cyber bullying.
I care not what the excuses are, Mittani turned up drunk at fanfest then spouted heaps of disgusting rubbish. As a lawyer he should know that being stupid and drunk are no excuses and in fact it makes this case even more severe because this fool knows the law. Thus him not only overstepping the boundaries but actually attempting to ruin the lives of the dearest and nearest of the person he encourages to take his own life is beyond sickening.
Before anyone else jumps to the defence of this waste of space, remember that he is a lawyer. |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:57:00 -
[504] - Quote
Darius III wrote:He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.
He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.
~1282~
Darius shut the **** up because you are infinitely more the hypocritical piece of **** power grabbing politician than Mittens is~ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
225
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:57:00 -
[505] - Quote
You goons don't really get that this isn't about the game EvE.
Its about real people.
And real world ramifications.
Its not just about the mittani and whom he tried to lynch mob. Its about anyone else that comes after. Whom might actually be pushed to far.
Mittens went to far and needs to back off and step away from the CSM.
He won, but he then shot his own foot off. He bears the responsibility for his actions.
He sounded like he was on the right path and was going to be a man about it. Now it seems he is backpedaling off of stepping down like he should. At this junction its bad PR for him to be on the CSM for all of EvE at a critical junction for CCP with dust coming out.
His actions ruined what seemed to be a good fanfest as well.
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Florian Bao
JinJing Trade Consortium
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:58:00 -
[506] - Quote
GO WORRY ABOUT REAL LIFE NOT ABOUT VIRTUAL SPACESHIP EMAILS FFS |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Persona Non Gratis
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:58:00 -
[507] - Quote
L00B wrote:Darius III.... even when he tries, he can't format a post properly.
Well, that's because he's in a hurry to try and make this thread about him. I guess he's feeling pretty inadequate after coming last in the election. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1264
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:58:00 -
[508] - Quote
Xython wrote:Benilopax wrote:CCP won't let him remain as chair for certain, the bad press this is generating and with dust coming out this year it would be a nightmare if every press question is "so you support cyber bullying?" Yes. Bad press. A bunch of MMORPG sites reposting a blog post from someone who is almost definitely in these threads ranting about how the big bad goonies destroyed their Hulk and it took them hours to get the bot script working again. This is only a scandal in the minds of a bunch of pathetic Cyberstalkers with an axe to grind.
Heh, yep. But it'll take a while to wind down, of course. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:58:00 -
[509] - Quote
Pahineh Amelana wrote:Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.
You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear) You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest) Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)
Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?
Just goes to show how sincere this apology really is.
Bigger people in the real world have apologized and resigned from real positions of power, for much much smaller things. That being said, make the sacrifice to make it sincere. Integrity.
If you had not made it a part of your actual presentation, it could be ran off as a mistake, mis-speaking. If your fellow members didn't stand behind what you said, and pander all over the EVE-O forums like monkeys, it could have again, been ran off as a mistake.
The fact is you made this an actual part of your presentation, then followed through with presenting it, as humor. Then your members, friends, associates, supporters ran all over the EVE-O forums stating their support of your words, for this or that reason, further creating even more problems, divides and ultimately much deeper issues within the eve community.
Apologizing for bumping into someone. acceptable Apologizing for spilling some water on someone on accident. acceptable Apologizing for accidentally hurting someone. acceptable
Apologizing for deliberately trying to cause harm to someone utilizing a video game as your execution platform. Unacceptable. Apologizing for egging others on to cause harm to another via a video game. Unacceptable.
It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest. Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.
+1 Well saying |
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:58:00 -
[510] - Quote
This is smoske all over again, except The Wis is smoske (not dead, obviously) and all you pubbies are BoB, looking for any excuse to get Mittens off the CSM. |
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
116
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:58:00 -
[511] - Quote
Xython wrote:Benilopax wrote:CCP won't let him remain as chair for certain, the bad press this is generating and with dust coming out this year it would be a nightmare if every press question is "so you support cyber bullying?" Yes. Bad press. A bunch of MMORPG sites reposting a blog post from someone who is almost definitely in these threads ranting about how the big bad goonies destroyed their Hulk and it took them hours to get the bot script working again. This is only a scandal in the minds of a bunch of pathetic Cyberstalkers with an axe to grind.
If we can manage to solve this shitstorm without direct CCP intervention, it's another step in the right direction. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3475
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:58:00 -
[512] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:You goons don't really get that this isn't about the game EvE.
Its about real people.
And real world ramifications.
Its not just about the mittani and whom he tried to lynch mob. Its about anyone else that comes after. Whom might actually be pushed to far.
Mittens went to far and needs to back off and step away from the CSM.
He won, but he then shot his own foot off. He bears the responsibility for his actions.
He sounded like he was on the right path and was going to be a man about it. Now it seems he is backpedaling off of stepping down like he should. At this junction its bad PR for him to be on the CSM for all of EvE at a critical junction for CCP with dust coming out.
His actions ruined what seemed to be a good fanfest as well.
quiet idiot "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Demarcus
Killjoy.
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:59:00 -
[513] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Demarcus wrote:Vxrasa wrote:What the christ? I don't care if some depressed miner somewhere in the world did or did not commit suicide, and I fail to see what The Mitanni drunk-spewing words out of his mouth at Fanfest has to do with this man's mental state. Why is there a thread about this and not a thread about things that actually matter and are terrible, for example, the chaos and violence in The Gaza Strip? Dude, your an a$$hole. You're a Killjoy. Get it?
I didn't pull the name out of a hat ;)
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
225
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:59:00 -
[514] - Quote
Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:Why haven't we heard anyone complaining about the horrible embarrassment suffered by those poor people who had their singing played during the panel? Oh how they must have died.
He didnt try to internet lynch them. |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:59:00 -
[515] - Quote
L00B wrote:Darius III.... even when he tries, he can't format a post properly.
i still wonder how he made CSM in the first place.. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:00:00 -
[516] - Quote
Super Whopper wrote:Vxrasa wrote:What the christ? I don't care if some depressed miner somewhere in the world did or did not commit suicide, and I fail to see what The Mitanni drunk-spewing words out of his mouth at Fanfest has to do with this man's mental state. Why is there a thread about this and not a thread about things that actually matter and are terrible, for example, the chaos and violence in The Gaza Strip? While I wholeheartedly believe we should all support the BDS movement I do not believe that the Mittani should get away with cyber bullying. I care not what the excuses are, Mittani turned up drunk at fanfest then spouted heaps of disgusting rubbish. As a lawyer he should know that being stupid and drunk are no excuses and in fact it makes this case even more severe because this fool knows the law. Thus him not only overstepping the boundaries but actually attempting to ruin the lives of the dearest and nearest of the person he encourages to take his own life is beyond sickening. Before anyone else jumps to the defence of this waste of space, remember that he is a lawyer.
He's more than atoned adequately by apologizing and paying 10.7 bil.
also get over yourself, buhu some miner got bullied big deal and someone drunk at fanfest ? shocking.
PS; he's a former lawyer |
XavierVE
Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:00:00 -
[517] - Quote
Darius III wrote:He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.
He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.
~1282~
I think it's more that he himself doesn't know if he's the "sociopath" Mittani or the "normal" Alex. Split personalities is a very obvious sign of alcoholism and alcohol abuse. I don't know if you've seen the posts talking about how he's an alcoholic with a severe drug abuse problem, but I can assure you that even Mittani doesn't know who he is. Living life in a stupor, drunk all the time and unable to handle alcohol responsibly, such a situation would easily lead him to having a dualist view of who he is.
I think you should forgive him about the bullying he's done to you, and try to contact him and get him to seek some psychological help.
You're right in that he won't resign, and unless CCP is able to step in and get him some help, he quite likely will just continue trying to destroy others in order to salve his own inner issues. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
262
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:00:00 -
[518] - Quote
Darius III wrote:He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.
He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.
~1282~
Well spoken Darius EYE EYE EYE. You are a master of words, we can only hope your stay on the CSM alternate list is long and fruitful. |
Bane Necran
157
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:00:00 -
[519] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Drinking and driving is an act that in itself is a crime. If no accident occurs and no one is harmed, it is still a crime.
It's a crime because of it's potential to harm people. Is my point. The fact that everyone who drinks and drives doesn't get in an accident makes no difference. |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:00:00 -
[520] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Princess Nana wrote:If CCP do not act then for their sake I sincerely hope that Sony do not get wind of the fact that an eve community representative has actively encouraged the harassful persuit of a player in game who has exuded mental problems or vulnerabilities without sanction.
I am certain these are not the kind of "gaming ideals" they would encourage as "entertainment" with Eve Online soon to be connected to the Playstation Network.
The Line was Crossed. I'm most certain Sony is meeting AS WE TYPE. IF CCP takes no action to their satisfaction, you may as well kiss that uber-cool EVE/DUST Link good-bye. It matters not what the Goons think, or what the rest of the players think at this point. This is exactly the type of thing that brings businesses down. And we only need to look back 10 months to remember JUST HOW FRAGILE CCP REALLY IS. I'd be real worried about playing EVE on any long term basis depending on how this turns out. I don't think Sony Entertainment would want to advertise connections with Eve Online Community Figureheads who encourage others to harass those with mental difficulties? I think not Sir. Your sarcasm has no place here. The Line was Crossed. |
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Rao Kappa
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:00:00 -
[521] - Quote
I think the kid made a stupid, drunk mistake. He was showing his ass, basking in the glory of CSM 7, and embracing his image as 'king of space.' He ran his mouth, and everything went nuclear in the aftermath.
I don't think there's anyone on this board who hasn't done something completely stupid, maybe even hurtful, and wished he/she could take back the action. No one is perfect, and no one has the right to toss stones.
But, this is real life, and we all know once the genie is out of the bottle, you can't put him back in.
I'd like to believe Alex's apology, as I don't know him, and have no reason to believe he's just playing politician. What he did was no more horrible a thing than I've seen other folks do while intoxicated...other perfectly decent, nice, respectable folks who wind up making a dumb error in judgement.
Unfortunately, an apology is not always the sole means of paying your due. I don't think this is a case of it being simply, 'apologize and this will go away.' There are too many other circumstances, too many other issues involved, that have now removed this from a simple incident where an apology would suffice, to a monster fed by public opinion. This has gone corporate, and a more serious show of force will most likely be necessary to appease the masses.
I don't agree with what he said in the panel, or his attitude, but I'm not a hypocrite enough to slam the personal integrity of someone I've never met and call for a crucifiction.
But I don't see him lasting as the CSM chair much longer. Blood is in the water, and the sharks must be fed.
Now it's time to face the consequences.
Good luck, and fly safe. |
BiggerDangDude
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:00:00 -
[522] - Quote
How the **** does any of the CSM not punch Darius III in the mouth anytime he sucks in a breath? |
Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:01:00 -
[523] - Quote
Take yourself all your alts and all your corpies to WOW as Penance, While there mine Copper, all of you. Live in poverty. This is a life sentence since you care nothing of Life and the sentence handed down by me, the Might M will stand without a chance of parole.
Unsub now. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
212
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:01:00 -
[524] - Quote
hah GoonWaffe recruitment is going to explode |
digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:01:00 -
[525] - Quote
~EVE is real~
~Real people~
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digi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:01:00 -
[526] - Quote
BiggerDangDude wrote:How the **** does any of the CSM not punch Darius III in the mouth anytime he sucks in a breath?
Because alternates don't go to Iceland. Alternates really don't count.
Unless they break NDAs. |
Abominare
The Spawning Pool Team Liquid
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:02:00 -
[527] - Quote
Having watched it live on the stream I thought it was pretty tacky. With his apology during soberness I am willing ot bet he realized just how tacky it was and I applaud him for that. I also applaud him for being man enough to apologize and accept responsibility. However, I'm not the man who thinks that laying yourself out in sacrifice is a gesturethat stops the executioner because you were willing to accept responsibility.
If he truly accepts the responsibility then for what its worth, I'll always be impressed with the goon. He'd definitely be a pretty big man for accepting being stripped of his hard won power. |
Endeavour Starfleet
751
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:02:00 -
[528] - Quote
Darius III wrote:He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.
He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.
~1282~
He should not step down from Chairman. This apology is enough. |
Aja Jinn
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:02:00 -
[529] - Quote
The Mittani is an online gaming character. I don't care what he does in the EVE universe.
Alex Gianturco is a representive of The EVE online gaming community. His face is the one people will see when they assess this community. He should step down now.
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:02:00 -
[530] - Quote
Darius III wrote:He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.
He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.
~1282~
Look at how jealous you are of how impotent you are with Mittens as the CSM chair. No wonder you're a do nothing. You're so intimidated by him that you just look on helplessly as people who can get things done (i.e. Mittens, Vile Rat, Krutoj, Seleene and Elise) get things done. You are the biggest waste of a CSM seat. Hell, Xenuria would be a better fit and probably contribute more than you.
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Ishen Villone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:03:00 -
[531] - Quote
BiggerDangDude wrote:How the **** does any of the CSM not punch Darius III in the mouth anytime he sucks in a breath?
They've never met him because he never shows up or does anything. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
212
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:03:00 -
[532] - Quote
To be honest, the whole "lol im drunk on stage" thing is so tired at fanfest. If you wanna be ******* drunk at 2pm in the afternoon then this is cool and if you can be entertaining at the same time then also cool but the trend seems to be going the other way - being drunk on stage at fanfest make you and the event look dumb. . |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
942
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:03:00 -
[533] - Quote
26 Mittens fails
You'll see, get on the internet and say crap about some nerd in an internet spaceship game where High sec is not at all, where scamming is a sport, turn your back on people trusting you and steal everything they have, it's easy. |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:03:00 -
[534] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:You goons don't really get that this isn't about the game EvE.
Its about real people.
And real world ramifications.
Its not just about the mittani and whom he tried to lynch mob. Its about anyone else that comes after. Whom might actually be pushed to far.
Mittens went to far and needs to back off and step away from the CSM.
He won, but he then shot his own foot off. He bears the responsibility for his actions.
He sounded like he was on the right path and was going to be a man about it. Now it seems he is backpedaling off of stepping down like he should. At this junction its bad PR for him to be on the CSM for all of EvE at a critical junction for CCP with dust coming out.
His actions ruined what seemed to be a good fanfest as well.
So what, nobody should ever gank anyone ever again? Nobody should shoot freighters off the Jita undock, or go tackle some miners in a belt and blow them up because they might go abloo bloo and kill themselves? No, that's bullcrap. One badly thought out and errant comment does not a resignation make, especially when the person has apologized and paid reparations to the party targeted by that comment.
Also, I didn't see any particular outbursts over the panel until Fanfest was more or less over. Just a few threads going 'wow what a bad alliance presentation. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:03:00 -
[535] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Reminder that Darius III broke his NDA by sending confidential CSM information to a 3rd party eve fan site.
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XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:03:00 -
[536] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Darius III wrote:He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.
He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.
~1282~ Look at how jealous you are of how impotent you are with Mittens as the CSM chair. No wonder you're a do nothing. You're so intimidated by him that you just look on helplessly as people who can get things done (i.e. Mittens, Vile Rat, Krutoj, Seleene and Elise) get things done. You are the biggest waste of a CSM seat. Hell, Xenuria would be a better fit and probably contribute more than you.
i approve this message |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:04:00 -
[537] - Quote
Marduk Nibiru wrote:[..in fact, I would put a great deal of money betting down that you're in AA or NA. Never ceases to amaze me how much peolpe who've "recovered" from substance abuse end up trying to convert everyone into thinking they've all got the same problem.
As a member of AA.....it is a program of promotion NOT ATTRACTION.
Nobody in AA ever, ever 'converts' or even mentions to someone that they have an 'issue'. That is up for the alcoholic to realize. Talking to a using alcoholic does not work. Never has, never will. I threw myself into a rehab in 1997 by my own hand, nobody else's.
And as an observer of alcoholics for well over 15 years now, I can say that I do believe the mittani (I can't capitalize it after all this) is a black-out drinker.
Whether he is alcoholic to the point of being unable to leave it alone, that is up to him to decide. But by his own words he is a blackout drinker, which is indeed well on the path to full blown addiction.
Next time, type about recovery and AA and things related when you actually know what you are talking about. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Comtezza
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:04:00 -
[538] - Quote
Please tell me others have looked at the voting list and realized that if BOTH Darius and Mittens left . . . who would now be number 14
Beware the Jabberwock, my son!-á-áThe jaws that bite, the claws that catch! |
Demarcus
Killjoy.
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:06:00 -
[539] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Super Whopper wrote:Vxrasa wrote:What the christ? I don't care if some depressed miner somewhere in the world did or did not commit suicide, and I fail to see what The Mitanni drunk-spewing words out of his mouth at Fanfest has to do with this man's mental state. Why is there a thread about this and not a thread about things that actually matter and are terrible, for example, the chaos and violence in The Gaza Strip? While I wholeheartedly believe we should all support the BDS movement I do not believe that the Mittani should get away with cyber bullying. I care not what the excuses are, Mittani turned up drunk at fanfest then spouted heaps of disgusting rubbish. As a lawyer he should know that being stupid and drunk are no excuses and in fact it makes this case even more severe because this fool knows the law. Thus him not only overstepping the boundaries but actually attempting to ruin the lives of the dearest and nearest of the person he encourages to take his own life is beyond sickening. Before anyone else jumps to the defence of this waste of space, remember that he is a lawyer. He's more than atoned adequately by apologizing and paying 10.7 bil. also get over yourself, buhu some miner got bullied big deal and someone drunk at fanfest ? shocking. PS; he's a former lawyer
As my former CEO I love you Tyrrax, but what does what he used to do in real life have to do with anything. If he has any respect for the position he was voted into he needs to resign it.
I don't know what makes me feel sicker, the events at question or the CEO of GHSC going PL. |
Calanthe Maulerant
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:06:00 -
[540] - Quote
YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE SPACE KING OF MY HEART.
BBQ FTW > mity calanthe |
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Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:07:00 -
[541] - Quote
L00B wrote:Also you people think Sony cares about what people think...... hilarious! Let me tell you about a little game called Star Wars Galaxies.... They would care if somebody committed suicide based on the actions that other players influenced in-game, out of game, especially since that game is soon to be added to their existing network. I am sure that this is the type of publicity Sony would want since they are a family brand yeah? |
Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:07:00 -
[542] - Quote
Anyone with a kid in the range of 6-14 should smell a familiar smell attached to this apology.
It's called Bull ****.
Should you accept his apology? I'll leave you with this little gem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFCfUl1R7SQ |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
116
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:07:00 -
[543] - Quote
corestwo wrote:This is smoske all over again, except The Wis is smoske (not dead, obviously) and all you pubbies are BoB, looking for any excuse to get Mittens off the CSM.
Like I said before in this thread. Actions have consequences. That is the sole thing EVE is based on. I do see him in the CSM, just not as chair because if he would take chair now the seat would be tainted for much longer a period than him sitting in it.
10,058 votes went to him and even if we wanted to we can't ignore that.
However we also can't ignore what happened and a mere " I am sorry" just doesn't cut it always.
This is one of the situations where a tad more bending over and getting the butt spanked is in order.
We know how much he wanted the CSM chair and I for one can't think of a better punishment then him still serving his term in the CSM but, regardless of the amount of votes, not in the function as Chairman. If he still makes a landslide victory in the VSM 8 election he could be eligeable again for the chair, but this season his light would shine too tainted to be of real value to the CSM. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
427
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:07:00 -
[544] - Quote
Princess Nana wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I'd be real worried about playing EVE on any long term basis depending on how this turns out.
I don't think Sony Entertainment would want to advertise connections with Eve Online Community Figureheads who encourage others to harass those with mental difficulties? I think not Sir. Your sarcasm has no place here. The Line was Crossed.
I am not being sarcastic. If you read any of my other posts I am anti - the mittani. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1331
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:08:00 -
[545] - Quote
digi wrote:BiggerDangDude wrote:How the **** does any of the CSM not punch Darius III in the mouth anytime he sucks in a breath? Because alternates don't go to Iceland. Alternates really don't count. Unless they break NDAs.
I think the only solution is to also fly the alternates to Iceland too!! So we can give him non-stop scowls and make guff huffing noises everything he speaks!!!
Issler |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:08:00 -
[546] - Quote
Odd how many people are saying "this apology is enough" when without any action showing that the apology is sincere it's meaningless.
He said he'd step down. If he's a man of his word (as he clearly wants us all to believe, based on the original post) he will.
If not...I assume there'll be a whole new uprising of people wanting to crucify him for it.
I must admit...the anticipation of his next move is killing me. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
228
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:08:00 -
[547] - Quote
Aja Jinn wrote:The Mittani is an online gaming character. I don't care what he does in the EVE universe.
Alex Gianturco is a representive of The EVE online gaming community. His face is the one people will see when they assess this community. He should step down now.
This seems to be where the disconnect is with the supporters. This is about the Person Alex Gianturco. Not the character the Mittani.
There is the game of EvE. Then there is the Game EvE online. |
Liam Mirren
367
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:08:00 -
[548] - Quote
If CCP decides to do nothing of note (ie, Mittens stays in the CSM) then they're effectively stating they're ok with real life bullying and ganging up on people who are different or have mental issues. I'm not so sure that's a smart thing to do, especially due to the nature of EVE and how, at the moment at least, RL is separated from ingame stuff like theft and all that.
You can't come up with an excuse for this, Pahineh worded it nicely: it was a premeditated calling for a public lynching of an unstable fellow player, with quite possibly irrevocable results. CCP has to act. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Ai Shun
418
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:08:00 -
[549] - Quote
Liam Mirren wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:OfBalance wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:STAY CALM MIND THE GAP STEER OFF MY BRA! FLBP
DAR time? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
427
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:08:00 -
[550] - Quote
Calanthe Maulerant wrote:YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE SPACE KING OF MY d**k.
FIXED. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
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OfBalance
Caldari State
262
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:08:00 -
[551] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:digi wrote:BiggerDangDude wrote:How the **** does any of the CSM not punch Darius III in the mouth anytime he sucks in a breath? Because alternates don't go to Iceland. Alternates really don't count. Unless they break NDAs. I think the only solution is to also fly the alternates to Iceland too!! So we can give him non-stop scowls and make guff huffing noises everything he speaks!!! Issler
CCP should ban the alternates to show Mittani they mean business. |
Zleon Leigh
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:09:00 -
[552] - Quote
Boy don't you know that Skype channel was on fire all day....
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Devie Viviem
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:09:00 -
[553] - Quote
This action by you was dispiccable, and inexcusable.
This post is mearly damage control so that you can try to keep your post on the top of the EVE pyramid. It makes no sense to appologize to us, you should be making ammends to the person/ persons you have wronged. The fact that you are posting publicly here is just for your corp mates can post in thier usual spam way.
Game or not, thier should be ethics involved here. You clearly loose yours easily, and blame alcohol as a scape goat. You are NOT the kind of person who should be writing policy, or be a representitive to/ for ANYONE!
To have the knowledge that someone is actualy depressed to the point of killing themselves, and calling for thousands of people to grief that person with the purpose of causing them to actually procede is damn near MURDER.
I'm sure this presentation was made when you were sober, so I dont believe alcohol is a good reason for doing what you did. Another assumption I'm willing to make a jump on, is that you probably already have your alliance carrying out your request.
All of this adds up to you leaving any formal position you have immediatly. After the CCP formal investigation, I hope they find you to be unworthy of the EvE universe.
You have gone over the top to ruin gameplay, and now lives. |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:09:00 -
[554] - Quote
I realise my words will fall short simply because of my chosen path of Corp and Alliance, but here goes
@pilots demanding the resign of The Mittani: wow you guys are just bottom feeders rushing to do what ever you can to squash what you think is killing your game. Reality Check CCP is fixing the game for every one, and if you want to hang this on the CSM then fine do so, but we know what is really causing CCP to wake up and fix EVE
The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though.
@The Mittani: You have to do what you feel is right, I have to do my part and say what I feel is right to be said, you stepping down from CSM or even just the chair will change nothing, the haters will cheer and then move on the next whole to hide in until they spreg about something new. Fact is the guy who ganked the ice miner and the ice miner him self also hold the same level of responsibility as you. Fact is, if he was really as desperate as claimed he would have acted long before the Alliance panel. It's the internet, there is no way to prove anything said in a heated eve mail after getting owned, I find the ice miner to be a rather poor sport about his attack because of his clear choice of words to play on some ones emotions. You step down, and you open the door to anyone that wants to claim suicide to gain anything they want in EVE. who is your main, and what does he do? |
Demarcus
Killjoy.
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:09:00 -
[555] - Quote
Calanthe Maulerant wrote:YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE SPACE KING OF MY HEART.
I know you love me because you don't make me use lube. No need to make it public. |
Mr M
Agony Unleashed
145
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:10:00 -
[556] - Quote
Pahineh Amelana wrote:Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.
You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear) You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest) Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)
Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?
Just goes to show how sincere this apology really is.
Bigger people in the real world have apologized and resigned from real positions of power, for much much smaller things. That being said, make the sacrifice to make it sincere. Integrity.
If you had not made it a part of your actual presentation, it could be ran off as a mistake, mis-speaking. If your fellow members didn't stand behind what you said, and pander all over the EVE-O forums like monkeys, it could have again, been ran off as a mistake.
The fact is you made this an actual part of your presentation, then followed through with presenting it, as humor. Then your members, friends, associates, supporters ran all over the EVE-O forums stating their support of your words, for this or that reason, further creating even more problems, divides and ultimately much deeper issues within the eve community.
Apologizing for bumping into someone. acceptable Apologizing for spilling some water on someone on accident. acceptable Apologizing for accidentally hurting someone. acceptable
Apologizing for deliberately trying to cause harm to someone utilizing a video game as your execution platform. Unacceptable. Apologizing for egging others on to cause harm to another via a video game. Unacceptable.
It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest. Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect. QF*T
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
83
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:10:00 -
[557] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote: I must admit...the anticipation of his next move is killing me.
Promise? |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
213
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:11:00 -
[558] - Quote
I'm pretty sure that cyber bullying is considered a felony now in extreme cases. Certainly seen some news coverage recently on it.
People talking about bans and resignations when this is far from the 'worse case scenario'. . |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
427
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:11:00 -
[559] - Quote
Lorren Canada wrote:hah GoonWaffe recruitment is going to explode
.......and vanish in the smoke. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1264
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:12:00 -
[560] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Drinking and driving is an act that in itself is a crime. If no accident occurs and no one is harmed, it is still a crime. It's a crime because of it's potential to harm people. Is my point. The fact that everyone who drinks and drives doesn't get in an accident makes no difference.
Which was exactly what I said (thanks for the selective quoting by the way). Drinking and Driving is a crime regardless of whether anyone is harmed or not.
Cyber Bullying does not fall into this category. It requires an actual victim to be a crime. According to The Wis he was NOT a victim of cyber bullying.
No crime occurred.
Instead he finds it amusing, not to mention profitable.
You have no point.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:12:00 -
[561] - Quote
I think his apology is in earnest.
I also think he should resign as chairman, because it's the right thing to do.
He should also probably be officially repremanded by CCP, as a form of PR damage control.
My 2 cents. |
Rob Daphiti
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:12:00 -
[562] - Quote
Why is everyone freaking this its what happens in the game over and over and nothing is done and hell its encouraged. Hell you have all seen it on the forums as well maybe not the exact way but its here. If someone comes on forums and says something you all attack them also. You should have had your macs aligned ha hah your an idiot can i haz your stuff. U mad bro and many other comments a 10 yo could come up with this is the typical eve players. Look at what they allow to happen and only because its in the spotlight anything is done about it. You even see it on the forums here about griefing a guy till he quits and they think putting someone through hell is funny. Hes a miner he should just quit anyway blah blah grief them all. This guy is a freaking idiot look at his fit blah blah kill his moron!! hahahhahah. This is nothing new CCP should come out and say yup this is the type of game we want eve to be or they should start cracking down on it in game and on the forums. You don't have to grief to have fun in eve but that is what everyone loves to do and they say they will quit if i can't grief people and act exactly like MIT acted like. You can go to war and not be a **** and have fun mature time fighting over sov and whatever you want to do. Quit trying to cover up what you all cherish doing, its what eve is known for. This is eve can i have you stuff since you butt hurt. Flame away and attack me for the true i just spoke its what you guys do best. |
Demarcus
Killjoy.
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:12:00 -
[563] - Quote
Gossamer DT wrote: @pilots demanding the resign of The Mittani: wow you guys are just bottom feeders rushing to do what ever you can to squash what you think is killing your game. Reality Check CCP is fixing the game for every one, and if you want to hang this on the CSM then fine do so, but we know what is really causing CCP to wake up and fix EVE.
Dude, you might be dumb. You should see a doctor about it.
This has absolutely nothing to do with fixing EVE.
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Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:12:00 -
[564] - Quote
Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:Why haven't we heard anyone complaining about the horrible embarrassment suffered by those poor people who had their singing played during the panel? Oh how they must have died.
Possibly because that presentation was actually worth watching... I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
212
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:13:00 -
[565] - Quote
Calanthe Maulerant wrote:YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE SPACE KING OF MY HEART.
dawww
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R0Y4L
Scifried Strategic Military Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:14:00 -
[566] - Quote
an apology doesnt do justice .. he admitted to doing all that **** to the guy ...ban his account and kick him from CSM
and yeah some places you can get jail time for cyber bullying IF-á YOU-á-á DONT-á WANNA-á DIE-á DONT-á FLY-á-á |
Demarcus
Killjoy.
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:14:00 -
[567] - Quote
[quote=Rob Daphiti] Why is everyone freaking this its what happens in the game over and over and nothing is done{/quote]
Happening "in game" and happening in real life by someone elected to represent the player base are two very different things. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
212
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:14:00 -
[568] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lorren Canada wrote:hah GoonWaffe recruitment is going to explode .......and vanish in the smoke.
:cripes:
you grasp of reality and posting are **** |
Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:14:00 -
[569] - Quote
Rob Daphiti wrote:Why is everyone freaking this its what happens in the game over and over and nothing is done and hell its encouraged. Hell you have all seen it on the forums as well maybe not the exact way but its here. If someone comes on forums and says something you all attack them also. You should have had your macs aligned ha hah your an idiot can i haz your stuff. U mad bro and many other comments a 10 yo could come up with this is the typical eve players. Look at what they allow to happen and only because its in the spotlight anything is done about it. You even see it on the forums here about griefing a guy till he quits and they think putting someone through hell is funny. Hes a miner he should just quit anyway blah blah grief them all. This guy is a freaking idiot look at his fit blah blah kill his moron!! hahahhahah. This is nothing new CCP should come out and say yup this is the type of game we want eve to be or they should start cracking down on it in game and on the forums. You don't have to grief to have fun in eve but that is what everyone loves to do and they say they will quit if i can't grief people and act exactly like MIT acted like. You can go to war and not be a **** and have fun mature time fighting over sov and whatever you want to do. Quit trying to cover up what you all cherish doing, its what eve is known for. This is eve can i have you stuff since you butt hurt. Flame away and attack me for the true i just spoke its what you guys do best.
MY EYES |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
85
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:14:00 -
[570] - Quote
Devie Viviem wrote:This action by you was dispiccable, and inexcusable.
This post is mearly damage control so that you can try to keep your post on the top of the EVE pyramid. It makes no sense to appologize to us, you should be making ammends to the person/ persons you have wronged. The fact that you are posting publicly here is just for your corp mates can post in thier usual spam way.
Game or not, thier should be ethics involved here. You clearly loose yours easily, and blame alcohol as a scape goat. You are NOT the kind of person who should be writing policy, or be a representitive to/ for ANYONE!
To have the knowledge that someone is actualy depressed to the point of killing themselves, and calling for thousands of people to grief that person with the purpose of causing them to actually procede is damn near MURDER.
I'm sure this presentation was made when you were sober, so I dont believe alcohol is a good reason for doing what you did. Another assumption I'm willing to make a jump on, is that you probably already have your alliance carrying out your request.
All of this adds up to you leaving any formal position you have immediatly. After the CCP formal investigation, I hope they find you to be unworthy of the EvE universe.
You have gone over the top to ruin gameplay, and now lives.
Jesus ******* christ people! He didn't **** or murder someone!
He said something stupid and mean. He said he's sorry. You guys are just being dramatic cunts now.
I hope they find you to be unworthy of the EvE universe. <- If that wasn't so ******* pathetically impotent, I'd be laughing my ass off. |
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OfBalance
Caldari State
262
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:15:00 -
[571] - Quote
In a troll thread, posting. |
Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:16:00 -
[572] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Marduk Nibiru wrote:[..in fact, I would put a great deal of money betting down that you're in AA or NA. Never ceases to amaze me how much peolpe who've "recovered" from substance abuse end up trying to convert everyone into thinking they've all got the same problem. As a member of AA.....it is a program of promotion NOT ATTRACTION. Nobody in AA ever, ever 'converts' or even mentions to someone that they have an 'issue'. That is up for the alcoholic to realize. Talking to a using alcoholic does not work. Never has, never will. I threw myself into a rehab in 1997 by my own hand, nobody else's. And as an observer of alcoholics for well over 15 years now, I can say that I do believe the mittani (I can't capitalize it after all this) is a black-out drinker. Whether he is alcoholic to the point of being unable to leave it alone, that is up to him to decide. But by his own words he is a blackout drinker, which is indeed well on the path to full blown addiction. Next time, type about recovery and AA and things related when you actually know what you are talking about.
well Krix there are only three things that cause blackouts, a doctor looks for brain trauma like a baseball bat to the head. Schizophrenia or alcoholism.
People today spend less and less time "in " the disease" A question often asked today is whether alcohol use has negative consequences for you or those around you. If it does stop, If you can't stop, call AA. What kind of person keeps doing stuff over and over that hurts themselves in some way shape or form? |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:16:00 -
[573] - Quote
R0Y4L wrote:an apology doesnt do justice .. he admitted to doing all that **** to the guy ...ban his account and kick him from CSM
and yeah some places you can get jail time for cyber bullying
nobody has been cyber bullied you gigantic baby |
Kyle Valentine
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:16:00 -
[574] - Quote
In fact, I think he's hated for giving peoples what they wants. Blood and tears. All the Goon success is based on that. As an old roleplayer I know that, he was drunk, and "in character", and gone too far. It's the same process than crying when you lost a ship.
What do you expect from the leader of Goons ? Give a chocolate to the poor dude ? I'm not a Goon fan myself, but he only act as expected. Lot of responsabilities, too much attention. I think it's forgiveable.
Why him and the Wis don't meets in real life and talks of all that between them like men ? We don't talk about 10 years old childs. |
Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
267
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:17:00 -
[575] - Quote
Sins of a Solar Spymaster #77: A Bad Hangover. Black Man with Goggles |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
428
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:17:00 -
[576] - Quote
OfBalance wrote:In a troll thread, posting.
If you think this is a troll thread, I'd hate to see what you think of a real troll thread. Oh, I forgot, Bumblefck got banned........... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Demarcus
Killjoy.
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:17:00 -
[577] - Quote
Marduk Nibiru wrote:Devie Viviem wrote:This action by you was dispiccable, and inexcusable.
This post is mearly damage control so that you can try to keep your post on the top of the EVE pyramid. It makes no sense to appologize to us, you should be making ammends to the person/ persons you have wronged. The fact that you are posting publicly here is just for your corp mates can post in thier usual spam way.
Game or not, thier should be ethics involved here. You clearly loose yours easily, and blame alcohol as a scape goat. You are NOT the kind of person who should be writing policy, or be a representitive to/ for ANYONE!
To have the knowledge that someone is actualy depressed to the point of killing themselves, and calling for thousands of people to grief that person with the purpose of causing them to actually procede is damn near MURDER.
I'm sure this presentation was made when you were sober, so I dont believe alcohol is a good reason for doing what you did. Another assumption I'm willing to make a jump on, is that you probably already have your alliance carrying out your request.
All of this adds up to you leaving any formal position you have immediatly. After the CCP formal investigation, I hope they find you to be unworthy of the EvE universe.
You have gone over the top to ruin gameplay, and now lives. Jesus ******* christ people! He didn't **** or murder someone! He said something stupid and mean. He said he's sorry. You guys are just being dramatic cunts now. I hope they find you to be unworthy of the EvE universe. <- If that wasn't so ******* pathetically impotent, I'd be laughing my ass off.
What would you be saying if that guy had killed himself? The fact is that he does not deserve the position he was elected too.
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Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
180
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:17:00 -
[578] - Quote
When I started playing this game in 2008, I struggled like crazy to figure out how it worked. Eventually I found E-Uni, and some of the best recordings I remember were by Goons, and Mittens in particular.
I even bought a book he'd recommended, and was very impressed by his taste. He's a sharp minded young lad, in my opinion... But he's also spent years telling us all how much he despises 'role players', so now, am I supposed to believe from his apology that he actually enjoys roleplaying, all of a sudden...? He's saying the right words at the right time, but I don't believe an ounce of it.
I'm not just jumping on some three day band wagon - I filed my petition with CCP, to say how disgraceful the Alliance Panel was, practically the minute after it finished - on the account that had the stream.
I've filed another since...
Not because I want to screw-over Mittens, but because if this goes 'mainstream' CCP could face a whole world of ****. I'm in no hurry to see 'my game' ruined.
'It's okay, he was drunk and said sorry' probably doesn't cut it. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:17:00 -
[579] - Quote
Demarcus wrote:As my former CEO I love you Tyrrax, but what does what he used to do in real life have to do with anything. If he has any respect for the position he was voted into he needs to resign it.
I don't know what makes me feel sicker, the events at question or the CEO of GHSC going PL.
I was just correcting the guy I was quoting about the lawyer thing. Why should Mittani resign over something as trivial as this ? "victim" seems fine, and rich because of of Mittani's mistake.
Public apology, reparations... Seems excessive to me to expect more, 10000 people voted him in, and vast majority of them would sure as **** vote him in again if elections were held right now.
PS; Why does me joining PL make you feel sick ? lol |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:17:00 -
[580] - Quote
Guess if CCP does ban him he'll have to ~deal with it~
Hope they do ban you BTW |
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L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:18:00 -
[581] - Quote
Also, where were all you geniuses BEFORE the apology? I mean, like, there's no way that the EBIL MITTTENS realized that he wasn't proud of something that transpired before you morons figured it out? Cuz, that would be like... so obvious that it doesn't matter what the man does, and ya'll are just the Eve equivalent of the "Party of NO". |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
117
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:19:00 -
[582] - Quote
L00B wrote:Also, where where all you fuckheads BEFORE the apology? I mean, like, there's no way that the EBIL MITTTENS realized that he wasn't proud of something that transpired before you morons figured it out? Cuz, that would be like... so obvious that it doesn't matter what the man does, and ya'll are just the Eve equivalent of the "Party of NO".
They were in the communal "let's hate mittens" thread of the week. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
263
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:20:00 -
[583] - Quote
L00B wrote:Also, where where all you fuckheads BEFORE the apology? I mean, like, there's no way that the EBIL MITTTENS realized that he wasn't proud of something that transpired before you morons figured it out? Cuz, that would be like... so obvious that it doesn't matter what the man does, and ya'll are just the Eve equivalent of the "Party of NO".
You leave that 12 year old boy and his petition out of this! |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:20:00 -
[584] - Quote
L00B wrote:Also, where where all you fuckheads BEFORE the apology? I mean, like, there's no way that the EBIL MITTTENS realized that he wasn't proud of something that transpired before you morons figured it out? Cuz, that would be like... so obvious that it doesn't matter what the man does, and ya'll are just the Eve equivalent of the "Party of NO". ...did you miss the 94+-page thread that came about before this one? |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
239
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:20:00 -
[585] - Quote
Wacktopia wrote:I'm pretty sure that cyber bullying is considered a felony now in extreme cases. Certainly seen some news coverage recently on it.
People talking about bans and resignations when this is far from the 'worse case scenario'.
Somebody could make a complaint to the police (I am in no way suggesting it) but there could be issues over who has jurisdiction. Iceland, America or the country the victim comes from.
Internet law is in it's infancy, and I think getting police involved is going way too far for this case.
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
48
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:20:00 -
[586] - Quote
"Deal with it." - and - "You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything." ~10,058~
I just can't reconcile these Mittani initial responses with "The Appology" he posted.
Quit clearly in his early replies demonstrate both his knowledge of his wrongdoing and his complete disregard or dismissal of it. Perhaps too full of himself or beleiving he is above taking responsibility for his actions?
Once he completes all three steps he outlined, this inlcuded resgination from CSM, we can all move on. Heck, he'll just get voted back in next year.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
732
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:21:00 -
[587] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Darius III wrote:He said he would step down, probably just as chairman, which isnt enough to make it right. People in power never resign except for religious officials caught in sex scandals. He will cling to power in any form. Th eapology is not IMO sincere in the slightest, look at what he wrote immediately following the first post. This is damage control, nothing more.
He knows that resigning completely from CSM7 is the right move, but he will not. We will see how CCP responds to this soon I think. He made this presentation in advance, I know this guy, trust me he bullies people if he thinks he can get away with it. I know first hand, having seen it myself in CSM. He excluded me from Skype shat before I ever even made an introduction post. This is how he is, and the real Mittani is the one on stage not the one apologizing in the OP.
~1282~ He should not step down from Chairman. This apology is enough.
Bullshit. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:21:00 -
[588] - Quote
Most of the people wanting to get rid of Mittens already genuinely hated him. Just look at Darius. He hates Mittens so much he's gloating to goons in evemails about how excited he is that he's finally in trouble:
Quote:From: Darius III To: Ice Fist INBOX Remove Label
Keep saying that there was NDA breach when devs said clearly there never was. I will continue enjoying your impotent rage as I sit on CSM6, 7 and 8. Toodles. Mittani will be out in 24 hours, bet?
Seriously, this is the guy championing the end of the Mittani on the CSM. You think Mittens is immature for this incident? What about the this guy? Hopefully he won't break the NDA again in this term. |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:21:00 -
[589] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 a mittani public appology via youtube. |
Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:22:00 -
[590] - Quote
Don't you dare resign from chairmanship Mittens. What you did was admittedly stupid and shouldn't have been said, considering it was the alliance panel at fanfest and you were drunk off your ass, and you seem legitimately sorry for what happened I say live and let die. The Wis doesn't seem that bothered by it either and accepted the apology, so I don't see any need for people to drag out the debacle any more.
Maybe a reprimand by CCP or something, but removal from the CSM would be a slap in the face to all the progress made during the previous CSM. He's too important to the process, and while Two step is a great guy I still think only Mittens has the attitude that is needed to lead the CSM. Fix incursions today! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60460 |
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R0Y4L
Scifried Strategic Military Industries
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:22:00 -
[591] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:
nobody has been cyber bullied you gigantic baby
o goons ... they have so many people but no brains IF-á YOU-á-á DONT-á WANNA-á DIE-á DONT-á FLY-á-á |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1264
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:22:00 -
[592] - Quote
Muestereate wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Marduk Nibiru wrote:[..in fact, I would put a great deal of money betting down that you're in AA or NA. Never ceases to amaze me how much peolpe who've "recovered" from substance abuse end up trying to convert everyone into thinking they've all got the same problem. As a member of AA.....it is a program of promotion NOT ATTRACTION. Nobody in AA ever, ever 'converts' or even mentions to someone that they have an 'issue'. That is up for the alcoholic to realize. Talking to a using alcoholic does not work. Never has, never will. I threw myself into a rehab in 1997 by my own hand, nobody else's. And as an observer of alcoholics for well over 15 years now, I can say that I do believe the mittani (I can't capitalize it after all this) is a black-out drinker. Whether he is alcoholic to the point of being unable to leave it alone, that is up to him to decide. But by his own words he is a blackout drinker, which is indeed well on the path to full blown addiction. Next time, type about recovery and AA and things related when you actually know what you are talking about. well Krix there are only three things that cause blackouts, a doctor looks for brain trauma like a baseball bat to the head. Schizophrenia or alcoholism. People today spend less and less time "in " the disease" A question often asked today is whether alcohol use has negative consequences for you or those around you. If it does stop, If you can't stop, call AA. What kind of person keeps doing stuff over and over that hurts themselves in some way shape or form?
I personally have a drink once or twice a year.
There has been a time or two when I went far enough to not remember every comment I made during the evening precisely the next day.
According to your definition I'm having black outs and am an alcoholic.
I guess it's time to quit my job at the university and turn myself in to rehab. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Demarcus
Killjoy.
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:22:00 -
[593] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Demarcus wrote:As my former CEO I love you Tyrrax, but what does what he used to do in real life have to do with anything. If he has any respect for the position he was voted into he needs to resign it.
I don't know what makes me feel sicker, the events at question or the CEO of GHSC going PL. I was just correcting the guy I was quoting about the lawyer thing. Why should Mittani resign over something as trivial as this ? "victim" seems fine, and rich because of of Mittani's mistake. Public apology, reparations... Seems excessive to me to expect more, 10000 people voted him in, and vast majority of them would sure as **** vote him in again if elections were held right now. PS; Why does me joining PL make you feel sick ? lol
It is a matter of public representation. He was elected to represent ALL of us. He failed immediately and miserably. Stepping down would be just the right thing.
EVE has hundreds of thousands of subscribers, tens of thousands of them are total assholes. I know, you and me are two of them ;) |
OfBalance
Caldari State
263
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:22:00 -
[594] - Quote
D3 for chairman, nda leaks for everyone! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1465
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:23:00 -
[595] - Quote
Rob Daphiti wrote:Why is everyone freaking this its what happens in the game over and over and nothing is done and hell its encouraged. Hell you have all seen it on the forums as well maybe not the exact way but its here. If someone comes on forums and says something you all attack them also. You should have had your macs aligned ha hah your an idiot can i haz your stuff. U mad bro and many other comments a 10 yo could come up with this is the typical eve players. Look at what they allow to happen and only because its in the spotlight anything is done about it. You even see it on the forums here about griefing a guy till he quits and they think putting someone through hell is funny. Hes a miner he should just quit anyway blah blah grief them all. This guy is a freaking idiot look at his fit blah blah kill his moron!! hahahhahah. This is nothing new CCP should come out and say yup this is the type of game we want eve to be or they should start cracking down on it in game and on the forums. You don't have to grief to have fun in eve but that is what everyone loves to do and they say they will quit if i can't grief people and act exactly like MIT acted like. You can go to war and not be a **** and have fun mature time fighting over sov and whatever you want to do. Quit trying to cover up what you all cherish doing, its what eve is known for. This is eve can i have you stuff since you butt hurt. Flame away and attack me for the true i just spoke its what you guys do best.
Well mr no linebreak. The simple answer is that when this stuff gets done in the game its assumed to be "in character" - its "the mittani" being a nasty piece of work to some random space pilot and his barge or "the mittani" scamming some space academy guy or "the mittani" doing some spying stuff and claiming the credit for some other guys fail cascading etc.
But what happened at fanfest had nothing to do with "the mittani" the character. It was Alex gianturkeyo ripping on some other player as the leader of Eve's player council in the view of the cameras in a performance that was immediately replayed and analysed by the gaming press.
If you mr nolinebreaks where to go and ransom some dude at an asteroid belt and say nasty things about his manhood (or lack therein) nobody would really care because you didn't have a tv crew recording it and streaming onto the internet.
Thats the difference really. When you stand for CSM elections you agree to set an example by your real life behaviour for other players and the example that Alex set on stage at fanfest was a frankly terrible one - indulging in a nasty little case of cyberbullying and namecalling and insightment to harrass some other player for the laughs and indulgent of his circlejerk.
He did it as himself, the leader of the CSM. And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:23:00 -
[596] - Quote
XxTheKmanxX wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 a mittani public appology via youtube.
I ******* new it was going to be rick roll
BUT I CLICKED ON IT ANYWAYS
*rips off clothes starts doing the Carlton dance |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
443
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:24:00 -
[597] - Quote
Calanthe Maulerant wrote:YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE SPACE KING OF MY HEART.
WTF am I?
GIVE ME ATTENTION TOO
It's not Rocket Surgery |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:24:00 -
[598] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:L00B wrote:Also, where where all you fuckheads BEFORE the apology? I mean, like, there's no way that the EBIL MITTTENS realized that he wasn't proud of something that transpired before you morons figured it out? Cuz, that would be like... so obvious that it doesn't matter what the man does, and ya'll are just the Eve equivalent of the "Party of NO". ...did you miss the 94+-page thread that came about before this one?
I see a 94 page thread, but about as many 'thumbs up' as Xenuria received in support of his campaign. We all know how that turned out. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
58
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:24:00 -
[599] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Unlike most of the EVE players who are posting, especially those brainwashed to GoonThink, the REAL WORLD TAKES THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
CCP will unfortunately now have to insert certain rules into our Game.
Sony, known for it's campaign against cyber-bullying, is now in a perfect position to drop Dust 514 like a Hot Potato.
THIS is exactly the kind of crap that kind of company will not deal with. At all.
Things will change unfortunately.
They absolutely will if CCP, no longer the truly independent free-spirit of the gaming world, wants to continue courting businesses like Sony and NVidia.
This kind of press to Sony: no Sir, they don't like it.
But then, when the mittani (I just can't capitalize it after this) brought the Goons over to OUR game, he said it was with the intent to destroy the game for everyone.
His words.
Congratulations Sir, you have succeeded beyond your wildest dreams.
Quoted for truth.
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Lord Wiggin
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:25:00 -
[600] - Quote
I'm scratching my head at some of these responses, it seems his rabid followers still haven't realized that he went to far. Certainly from the tone of his post he thinks he went too far, or it's all a troll, who knows...
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
228
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:25:00 -
[601] - Quote
Benilopax wrote:Wacktopia wrote:I'm pretty sure that cyber bullying is considered a felony now in extreme cases. Certainly seen some news coverage recently on it.
People talking about bans and resignations when this is far from the 'worse case scenario'. Somebody could make a complaint to the police (I am in no way suggesting it) but there could be issues over who has jurisdiction. Iceland, America or the country the victim comes from. Internet law is in it's infancy, and I think getting police involved is going way too far for this case.
FBI would actually be where you start for cyber bullying in the USA since he is a US citizen. |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:25:00 -
[602] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable.
And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:25:00 -
[603] - Quote
Shade Severii wrote:XxTheKmanxX wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 a mittani public appology via youtube. I ******* new it was going to be rick roll BUT I CLICKED ON IT ANYWAYS *rips off clothes starts doing the Carlton dance
muahahahahah |
Creed Richards
Xoth Inc Omega Vector
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:26:00 -
[604] - Quote
Well said Mittani
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Lord Wiggin
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:26:00 -
[605] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise.
Thousands of faceless alts can't be wrong?
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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
216
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:27:00 -
[606] - Quote
I thought the mindset of the Goons was to grief others, not to grief themselves.
Mittens has literally given CCP no choice but to remove him from the CSM if nothing else.
For CCP, just the fact that they did not close down the panel does not bode well for their stance on the matter. Also the fact that the moderaters on this forum did not remove the 'deal with it' comment makes CCP look like they are condoning the comments from FF regarding suicide.
Looking at the way Mittens has conducted himself both on and off the forums, I'd like to say I believe his appology, but I don't think so.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:27:00 -
[607] - Quote
Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:, and you seem legitimately sorry for what happened I say live and let die.
I've got some BPO's I want to sell for real cheap. Let's talk.
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Demarcus
Killjoy.
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:28:00 -
[608] - Quote
The long and the short of it is this: CCP has no choice now but to replace you. You are not representative of the total player base and your own actions proved it. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:28:00 -
[609] - Quote
Hey guys, hate to stop the "BAN MITTINI" circlejerk, but now for a dousing of evidence and facts (scary I know)...
Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought.[21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun.
The guy doesn't care. Even joked about it. The entire thing is so incredibly overblown, doubtless by those very people who detested the fact that Mittani was elected democratically for CSM chair (by a landslide). |
Krutoj
xSPECNAZx
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:28:00 -
[610] - Quote
I forgot to mention something in my earlier posts.
The reason why we are all posting about this is basically the following:
Carebear got ganked and tried to compel his ganker with a pitiful message that could be true or not true or not entirely true. The ganker forwarded the message to Mittani that he used later on in his Alliance Panel presentation. Mittani made some comments about the message, laughing in the essence at how carebear tried to get compassion out of his enemy.
I too get angry and sometimes sad messages from people, sometimes they are just as simple as "I cant afford a new ship". I do send people reimbursement ISK, but I dont send them when they are trying to play on a pity towards mentaly sick. Partly because I know those and the last thing they want is to be treated so. So why are you all trying to do the opposite?
Also, for those of you with "In real life he should be sentenced for this" issues, this is Eve Online, welcome to the SandBox.
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Acetane
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:30:00 -
[611] - Quote
alcohol and public appearances be bad combination yo. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
945
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:30:00 -
[612] - Quote
People's justice means blood, it's not for fancy that judges were instated and lately the attorneys that nobody loves.
I'm getting bored of this crap so let me phrase you a little poem
I'm out of this witch hunt, getting far too dirty and smelly even for a non supporter of Mittens the char. This as completely changed from a Mittens take down by any means to an Alex hunt and disrespect. You guys are exactly what you accuse him to be: irresponsible hideous jerks that can't make a difference between an internet space ship pilot and a real guy behind his screen.
At this very right moment I'm not proud at all of playing this game, not because of Mittens but because of this kind of puritanism middle age hunt attitude that creeps me. I should even say I'm quite disgusted of people's reactions.
Hope you will not resign as Chairman, despite I wasn't supporting your as candidate, and that CCP is capable to assume that in their internet space ship game of raging hideous pilots, their "legal" representative by whatever reason played his role a little bit too much, but without any sort of consequence other than raging politic posts.
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Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
239
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:30:00 -
[613] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Rob Daphiti wrote:Why is everyone freaking this its what happens in the game over and over and nothing is done and hell its encouraged. Hell you have all seen it on the forums as well maybe not the exact way but its here. If someone comes on forums and says something you all attack them also. You should have had your macs aligned ha hah your an idiot can i haz your stuff. U mad bro and many other comments a 10 yo could come up with this is the typical eve players. Look at what they allow to happen and only because its in the spotlight anything is done about it. You even see it on the forums here about griefing a guy till he quits and they think putting someone through hell is funny. Hes a miner he should just quit anyway blah blah grief them all. This guy is a freaking idiot look at his fit blah blah kill his moron!! hahahhahah. This is nothing new CCP should come out and say yup this is the type of game we want eve to be or they should start cracking down on it in game and on the forums. You don't have to grief to have fun in eve but that is what everyone loves to do and they say they will quit if i can't grief people and act exactly like MIT acted like. You can go to war and not be a **** and have fun mature time fighting over sov and whatever you want to do. Quit trying to cover up what you all cherish doing, its what eve is known for. This is eve can i have you stuff since you butt hurt. Flame away and attack me for the true i just spoke its what you guys do best. Well mr no linebreak. The simple answer is that when this stuff gets done in the game its assumed to be "in character" - its "the mittani" being a nasty piece of work to some random space pilot and his barge or "the mittani" scamming some space academy guy or "the mittani" doing some spying stuff and claiming the credit for some other guys fail cascading etc. But what happened at fanfest had nothing to do with "the mittani" the character. It was Alex gianturkeyo ripping on some other player as the leader of Eve's player council in the view of the cameras in a performance that was immediately replayed and analysed by the gaming press. If you mr nolinebreaks where to go and ransom some dude at an asteroid belt and say nasty things about his manhood (or lack therein) nobody would really care because you didn't have a tv crew recording it and streaming onto the internet. And thats another difference really. When you stand for CSM elections you agree to set an example by your real life behaviour for other players and the example that Alex set on stage at fanfest was a frankly terrible one - indulging in a nasty little case of cyberbullying and namecalling and incitement to harrass some other player for the laughs and indulgent of his circlejerk. He did it as himself, the leader of the CSM. And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable.
Pretty much this. |
Constantinee
The Ankou Raiden.
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:31:00 -
[614] - Quote
Ban him? no. Regardless a drunk man in public is a drunk man in public Even though that 95% know in fact this apology is not heartfelt nore do you probably even care about this. But, its internet spaceships.
Either remove him from CSM or have dude step down from CSM respectively? Yes.
As a chairman of CSM you have a public image to withhold and should have known better than to be a ****** and get tore the f|_|ck up before a presentation.
Step down as CSM and be an actual player. Lead your alliance and continue your "invasion" of my alliances space. I respected you more before you were CSM (not that you care) as well as other players. Constantinee video archive. http://www.youtube.com/user/Constvids?feature=mhee
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Demarcus
Killjoy.
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:31:00 -
[615] - Quote
Krutoj wrote: Also, for those of you with "In real life he should be sentenced for this" issues, this is Eve Online, welcome to the SandBox.
I don't think many people consider CSM to be "real life". I know if I see it on a resume I am just going to laugh at you. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:32:00 -
[616] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom.
Just thought I'd point out that your signature doesn't match your words, and after giving your show a brief listen the other day, you can't even refrain from making sweeping generalizations yourself. To put it bluntly, you lost all your credibility when you, like Riverini, got in it for the clickthroughs...
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Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
409
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:32:00 -
[617] - Quote
Xen Solarus wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Unlike most of the EVE players who are posting, especially those brainwashed to GoonThink, the REAL WORLD TAKES THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
CCP will unfortunately now have to insert certain rules into our Game.
Sony, known for it's campaign against cyber-bullying, is now in a perfect position to drop Dust 514 like a Hot Potato.
THIS is exactly the kind of crap that kind of company will not deal with. At all.
Things will change unfortunately.
They absolutely will if CCP, no longer the truly independent free-spirit of the gaming world, wants to continue courting businesses like Sony and NVidia.
This kind of press to Sony: no Sir, they don't like it.
But then, when the mittani (I just can't capitalize it after this) brought the Goons over to OUR game, he said it was with the intent to destroy the game for everyone.
His words.
Congratulations Sir, you have succeeded beyond your wildest dreams. Quoted for truth.
Quote is taken out of context. Goons originally came to EVE with the intent to destroy it, but loved it so much that they stayed. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:32:00 -
[618] - Quote
Quote: [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought.
NOBODY SHOULD READ THIS |
Ulesi
ARK-CORP Cascade Imminent
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:32:00 -
[619] - Quote
Prove that you are truly sorry. Resign. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:33:00 -
[620] - Quote
Demarcus wrote:It is a matter of public representation. He was elected to represent ALL of us. He failed immediately and miserably. Stepping down would be just the right thing.
I seriously doubt the people who voted him in wouldn't vote him in again right now given the chance, they're the people he's representing and stepping down would be an insult to them as far as I'm concerned.
He had well over double the votes of the 2nd highest guy - that's why he gets to represent the community. |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
945
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:33:00 -
[621] - Quote
Next time he will drink Long Johnson instead of Jack Daniels. |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
239
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:34:00 -
[622] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Benilopax wrote:Wacktopia wrote:I'm pretty sure that cyber bullying is considered a felony now in extreme cases. Certainly seen some news coverage recently on it.
People talking about bans and resignations when this is far from the 'worse case scenario'. Somebody could make a complaint to the police (I am in no way suggesting it) but there could be issues over who has jurisdiction. Iceland, America or the country the victim comes from. Internet law is in it's infancy, and I think getting police involved is going way too far for this case. FBI would actually be where you start for cyber bullying in the USA since he is a US citizen.
This certainly isn't worthy of the FBI! |
Pedro Snachez
The Rolling Clones
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:35:00 -
[623] - Quote
In the words of Family Guy Spider Man - Everybody gets one. |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:35:00 -
[624] - Quote
Nothing can excuse what transpired.
He has embarrassed himself, embarrassed CCP and has made a mockery of the rest of the Eve Playerbase.
Given the soon to be connection between Dust 514 and Eve Online, I can only imagine any Sony Representative watching the conduct of the CSM Chairman would have been mortified.
How can this man go foward saying he represents the best interests of the community? |
Lord Fargo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:35:00 -
[625] - Quote
Just found out about this now, so here's my thoughts, was it in bad taste? Yes, has it damaged this games reputation with the rest of the gaming community? Most certainly,as it's already hitting major gaming websites already.
Now, is he to blame for this? No,I believe it's ccps for allowing drunken neck beards on stage fueled with alcohol giving presentations, having just watched some footage on YouTube it's quite frankly cringe worthy and awkward to watch and has yet again smashed another body blow to ccps reputation (if the still have a good one)
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Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:36:00 -
[626] - Quote
Eian wrote:Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:, and you seem legitimately sorry for what happened I say live and let die. I've got some BPO's I want to sell for real cheap. Let's talk.
I know it might be hard for you to believe, but people can actually give sincere apologies. Shocking, I know.
Fix incursions today! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60460 |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:37:00 -
[627] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:I forgot to mention something in my earlier posts.
The reason why we are all posting about this is basically the following:
Carebear got ganked and tried to compel his ganker with a pitiful message that could be true or not true or not entirely true. The ganker forwarded the message to Mittani that he used later on in his Alliance Panel presentation. Mittani made some comments about the message, laughing in the essence at how carebear tried to get compassion out of his enemy.
I too get angry and sometimes sad messages from people, sometimes they are just as simple as "I cant afford a new ship". I do send people reimbursement ISK, but I dont send them when they are trying to play on a pity towards mentaly sick. Partly because I know those and the last thing they want is to be treated so. So why are you all trying to do the opposite?
Also, for those of you with "In real life he should be sentenced for this" issues, this is Eve Online, welcome to the SandBox.
Well, D3 I understand, he makes a bad figure of himself for years already, but I would advise you not to continue to make a bad figure of yourself, that is if you want people with brains in this game to not have a bad opinion of yourself.
There are the haters and the supporters of The Mittani, pretty much many of those are biased and don't really care about the issue, then there's the unbiased, and the coherent ones who actually judge the issue not by it's content, but by it's actions, which has nothing to do with what you're trying to portray in your posts.
So, that comming from a CSM (specially considering the only other CSM who posted was two step and was more or less 'neutral' on the subject and D3 who doesn't really matter as we all know his passioned hate for The Mittani) you probably want to think quite thoroughly about what you write.
Best regards. |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:37:00 -
[628] - Quote
Ulesi wrote:Prove that you are truly sorry. Resign.
you must own a titan...... |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
117
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:37:00 -
[629] - Quote
This is almost as bad as monoclegate... except we're not unanimously yelling at CCP. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:38:00 -
[630] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Next time he will drink Long Johnson instead of Jack Daniels.
My god, they both suck! |
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
385
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:39:00 -
[631] - Quote
XxTheKmanxX wrote:Ulesi wrote:Prove that you are truly sorry. Resign. you must own a titan......
Goon defending a Goon.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:39:00 -
[632] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:But what happened at fanfest had nothing to do with "the mittani" the character. It was Alex gianturkeyo ripping on some other player as the leader of Eve's player council in the view of the cameras in a performance that was immediately replayed and analysed by the gaming press.
He did it as himself, the leader of the CSM. And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable.
You're kinda full of **** since it was the alliance panel and nothing to do with the CSM, he was speaking as the leader of Goonswarm, not as the leader of the CSM, there's a huge difference.
PS; as a genuine independent eve player I consider his apology and 10.7 bil isk reparations paid more than enough to make up for his mistake |
Araviel
Spiritus Draconis
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:40:00 -
[633] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Demarcus wrote:As my former CEO I love you Tyrrax, but what does what he used to do in real life have to do with anything. If he has any respect for the position he was voted into he needs to resign it.
I don't know what makes me feel sicker, the events at question or the CEO of GHSC going PL. I was just correcting the guy I was quoting about the lawyer thing. Why should Mittani resign over something as trivial as this ? "victim" seems fine, and rich because of of Mittani's mistake. Public apology, reparations... Seems excessive to me to expect more, 10000 people voted him in, and vast majority of them would sure as **** vote him in again if elections were held right now. PS; Why does me joining PL make you feel sick ? lol
it could maybe have been trivial, if apology and reparations had been done quick enough. (however it shouldnt have happend in the first place) instead it got blown up to this and media got a hold of it. and you know about the impact media can have on the game.
we can hope media buys into the apology, but i have my doubts about that.
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Rob Daphiti
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:40:00 -
[634] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
Well mr no linebreak. The simple answer is that when this stuff gets done in the game its assumed to be "in character" - its "the mittani" being a nasty piece of work to some random space pilot and his barge or "the mittani" scamming some space academy guy or "the mittani" doing some spying stuff and claiming the credit for some other guys fail cascading etc.
But what happened at fanfest had nothing to do with "the mittani" the character. It was Alex gianturkeyo ripping on some other player as the leader of Eve's player council in the view of the cameras in a performance that was immediately replayed and analysed by the gaming press.
If you mr nolinebreaks where to go and ransom some dude at an asteroid belt and say nasty things about his manhood (or lack therein) nobody would really care because you didn't have a tv crew recording it and streaming onto the internet.
And thats another difference really. When you stand for CSM elections you agree to set an example by your real life behaviour for other players and the example that Alex set on stage at fanfest was a frankly terrible one - indulging in a nasty little case of cyberbullying and namecalling and incitement to harrass some other player for the laughs and indulgent of his circlejerk.
He did it as himself, the leader of the CSM. And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable.
He acted the same as he acts in game and he acts that way sober when playing. You play the part you enjoy. If a guy acts like that in game how do think he would be in RL if there was no social stigma against it they would act the same as they enjoy. If he wasn't drunk he would have most likely acted in a way that was socially accepted. But you know how that true serum works bring out who you really are. People would not act the way they do in game if they didn't enjoy it. The way you act in game is what you are in RL or would like to be if there was no repercussions, |
Bane Necran
158
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:40:00 -
[635] - Quote
Ulesi wrote:Prove that you are truly sorry. Resign.
I want a Mittani corpse.
Everyone should get Mittani corpses. Only then will i be convinced of his sincerity. |
Demarcus
Killjoy.
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:40:00 -
[636] - Quote
Taedrin wrote:Xen Solarus wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Unlike most of the EVE players who are posting, especially those brainwashed to GoonThink, the REAL WORLD TAKES THIS VERY SERIOUSLY.
CCP will unfortunately now have to insert certain rules into our Game.
Sony, known for it's campaign against cyber-bullying, is now in a perfect position to drop Dust 514 like a Hot Potato.
THIS is exactly the kind of crap that kind of company will not deal with. At all.
Things will change unfortunately.
They absolutely will if CCP, no longer the truly independent free-spirit of the gaming world, wants to continue courting businesses like Sony and NVidia.
This kind of press to Sony: no Sir, they don't like it.
But then, when the mittani (I just can't capitalize it after this) brought the Goons over to OUR game, he said it was with the intent to destroy the game for everyone.
His words.
Congratulations Sir, you have succeeded beyond your wildest dreams. Quoted for truth. Quote is taken out of context. Goons originally came to EVE with the intent to destroy it, but loved it so much that they stayed.
No, they just failed miserably.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
286
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:40:00 -
[637] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Hey guys, hate to stop the "BAN MITTINI" circlejerk, but now for a dousing of evidence and facts (scary I know)... Quote:[21:10:18] Xeross155 > Heya [21:10:22] The Wis > Hello [21:10:29] Xeross155 > Getting swarmed with interviews I can imagine [21:10:50] The Wis > No why? [21:11:57] Xeross155 > With this BS and all http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/[21:12:21] Xeross155 > Pretty sure the name Mittani called out was "The Wis" [21:12:31] The Wis > Oh I will have to check that out.. What is going on? [21:12:58] Xeross155 > You sent him a mail when you got scammed and your Mackinaws destroyed or smth [21:13:41] Xeross155 > Or at least one of his alliance mates [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing. [21:15:08] The Wis > I did have someone ask me if I was ok.. Becouse he said that I had killed myself afterwards and he thought it was funny.. I did not see it so I have no clue what was said. [21:15:52] Xeross155 > Basically some idiots are all butthurt and are calling for him to step down from CSM and **** [21:16:51] Xeross155 > Basically, enjoy your 5 minutes of fame, multiple gaming press websites are putting the story up [21:16:58] Xeross155 > Leaving out your name though [21:16:59] Xeross155 > one sec [21:19:54] The Wis > Well I am not sure what is going on.. I know I have had some people say I should put a pentition in. Witch I have not. Since I have not seen the video or anything. But that would also explain why the goons are moving into my system now and starting [21:19:57] The Wis > ganking here. [21:24:54] Xeross155 > http://youtu.be/E7Ki91U-mBE?t=1h11m55s[21:26:17] Xeross155 > That's basically the snippet that people are upset about for some reason [21:29:34] Xeross155 > Anyway, CCP is doing an internal audit and **** about it, 3 game news websites have reported it so far, basically tagging it cyber-bullying [21:30:50] The Wis > Ok.. Well that is nice. Hmm.. wait.. If i do kill my self they might arrest him and prosicute him since he is in the US.. That would really be bad for him. [21:31:01] The Wis > Just kidding of course but a thought.[21:31:20] The Wis > Fly safe. I have real life stuff to do now.. ANd to watch for goons in system.. Fun Fun. The guy doesn't care. Even joked about it. The entire thing is so incredibly overblown, doubtless by those very people who detested the fact that Mittani was elected democratically for CSM chair (by a landslide). Just saw this thread and got to wondering if "the victim" even knows about what's going on, there being not a single post from him on these forums. And now this post.
What can I say? Most people are idiots. And that's a fact. |
Calanthe Maulerant
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:41:00 -
[638] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:Calanthe Maulerant wrote:YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE SPACE KING OF MY HEART. WTF am I? GIVE ME ATTENTION TOO
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaai ceo ~~ i'd follow you if you left FA.
BBQ FTW > mity calanthe |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1469
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:41:00 -
[639] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise.
You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
68
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:42:00 -
[640] - Quote
Everyone gets one bite of the apple. Hell, we're all still subscribers, and CCP releases Incarna. Their apology came in the form of Crucible.
Alex ****** up, apologized, and now we all need to be big boys and girls and recognize the value of an apology and move on.
Enough Kindergarten lessons. Le'ts go pew pew in an ice belt or something. |
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:42:00 -
[641] - Quote
People who claim goons came to eve to destroy it are ignorant and wrong. |
Zanmaru
Broski North Black Legion.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:42:00 -
[642] - Quote
I'll buy it. I won't shed a tear if Mittani gets booted from CSM, but nor will I call for his resignation. Honestly, I'm more irritated by a community that will mindlessly flock to defend such behavior.
Kinda pulls the rug out from under you to have the guy you're defending admit to his wrongdoing, doesn't it? |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
945
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:43:00 -
[643] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Next time he will drink Long Johnson instead of Jack Daniels. My god, they both suck!
Jack is my favourite but yeah, nothing good as Pastis, real men's drink. |
Dominick Owusu
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:43:00 -
[644] - Quote
You're apologizing for that? Ahahahahahahaha!
This is a hard knock game for tough people. The weak leave to play Hello Kitty Island Adventure within hours. Don't do anything stupid over this (like resign). If they can't take a joke, **** them. |
Demarcus
Killjoy.
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:43:00 -
[645] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:People who claim goons came to eve to destroy it are ignorant and wrong.
Not really, they just failed at it.
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
445
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:44:00 -
[646] - Quote
Calanthe Maulerant wrote:Zagdul wrote:Calanthe Maulerant wrote:YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE SPACE KING OF MY HEART. WTF am I? GIVE ME ATTENTION TOO maaaaaaaaaaaaaaai alliance ceo ~~ i'd follow you if you left FA.
What if I stay?
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:44:00 -
[647] - Quote
Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:Eian wrote:Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:, and you seem legitimately sorry for what happened I say live and let die. I've got some BPO's I want to sell for real cheap. Let's talk. I know it might be hard for you to believe, but people can actually give sincere apologies. Shocking, I know.
I absolutely agree. Those people are easy to read. Just not as easy as someone who's not sincere.
If you think this prick is sincere you need to re-evaluate your ability to read people. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:44:00 -
[648] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.)
Look, yet another sweeping generalization! It's almost as if you are FULL OF THEM! |
Calanthe Maulerant
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:45:00 -
[649] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:Calanthe Maulerant wrote:Zagdul wrote:Calanthe Maulerant wrote:YOU ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE SPACE KING OF MY HEART. WTF am I? GIVE ME ATTENTION TOO maaaaaaaaaaaaaaai alliance ceo ~~ i'd follow you if you left FA. What if I stay?
then i don't have to follow you, do i?
BBQ FTW > mity calanthe |
Volar Kang
Quartz Research Explicit Advisory
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:45:00 -
[650] - Quote
Its one thing to play a d-bag in a game, its quite another to act it out in real life. Perhaps you have spent a bit too much time in game lately and need a short break? |
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Slaktoffer
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:46:00 -
[651] - Quote
ITT: Sock puppets and asshats.
What happened to htfu? |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:46:00 -
[652] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Next time he will drink Long Johnson instead of Jack Daniels. My god, they both suck! Jack is my favourite but yeah, nothing good as Pastis, real men's drink.
Johnnie Walker Black or Chivas Regal 18 years ftw! |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:46:00 -
[653] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.)
Not really, there's not any prepared statements we're getting from CFC upper crust about this or whatever. I personally would get pretty pissed off of the two votes I threw towards Mittani ended up being worthless due to a kneejerk reaction to a drunken comment that he's apologized for getting him removed from the CSM, no matter how the removal happened. Chalk it up to me being a horrible awful goonie gewn goon goon if you want, but I'd hate to see someone who's got a proven history of being able to help make changes that I consider positive happen to a game I care about forced out because of a single moment of bad judgement. Everyone makes mistakes, after all. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
947
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:47:00 -
[654] - Quote
Who is FA? |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:47:00 -
[655] - Quote
Demarcus wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:People who claim goons came to eve to destroy it are ignorant and wrong. Not really, they just failed at it.
I was there, and semi-involved with the first goon corps (griefing them for the most part) they were just another bunch of newbies making corps and playing a game.
once they moved to syndicate they were having lots of fun swarming and defeating older players, they loved eve
short time later they moved in with red alliance and TCF and became my close allies until I got kicked out of IAC, so I'd say I know more about them and their history and intentions than you do |
Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:48:00 -
[656] - Quote
Sounds like terrorism.
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:48:00 -
[657] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.) A wild opportunist appears... |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:48:00 -
[658] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.) It's seemed to me in my whole 12 hours of forum experience that that's the status quo. "If I shout it loud enough, it'll become the truth."
The truth is, unfortunately, the one thing nobody is really confronting:
Resignations promised: 1 Resignations: 0
I really hope CCP doesn't have to step in here (for business reasons or whatnot). I think it's important that The Mittani act of his own accord, and either step down or announce his intention to stay. In real-world politics we don't get to just replace our elected officials, but we definitely get to pressure them into action and if they refuse to take said action they don't get re-elected. This should be no different.
The social depth of this game is already making this noob very, very happy with his new gaming home. :) |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
732
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:48:00 -
[659] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.) Not really, there's not any prepared statements we're getting from CFC upper crust about this or whatever. I personally would get pretty pissed off of the two votes I threw towards Mittani ended up being worthless due to a kneejerk reaction to a drunken comment that he's apologized for getting him removed from the CSM, no matter how the removal happened. Chalk it up to me being a horrible awful goonie gewn goon goon if you want, but I'd hate to see someone who's got a proven history of being able to help make changes that I consider positive happen to a game I care about forced out because of a single moment of bad judgement. Everyone makes mistakes, after all.
Everyone, in one way or another, pays for their mistakes as well. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
214
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:49:00 -
[660] - Quote
Benilopax wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Benilopax wrote:Wacktopia wrote:I'm pretty sure that cyber bullying is considered a felony now in extreme cases. Certainly seen some news coverage recently on it.
People talking about bans and resignations when this is far from the 'worse case scenario'. Somebody could make a complaint to the police (I am in no way suggesting it) but there could be issues over who has jurisdiction. Iceland, America or the country the victim comes from. Internet law is in it's infancy, and I think getting police involved is going way too far for this case. FBI would actually be where you start for cyber bullying in the USA since he is a US citizen. This certainly isn't worthy of the FBI!
Not something you can quote on to be honest. It would depend on the effect on the victim.
HOWEVER, I was merely posting to highlight the risks involved in doing this kind of thing publicly on the internet rather than start a lynch mob. . |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
947
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:49:00 -
[661] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Next time he will drink Long Johnson instead of Jack Daniels. My god, they both suck! Jack is my favourite but yeah, nothing good as Pastis, real men's drink. Johnnie Walker Black or Chivas Regal 18 years ftw!
Jesus yeah, those'r good. Finished a CR25 lately, I'm gonna hold my self from pee for a few days ;D |
Shere
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:49:00 -
[662] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.)
You can't literally discount the views of a giant portion of the eve playerbase just because they're "you goons". That's also ignoring the fact that it's hardly ONLY goons who think this entire situation is a load of garbage.
newsflash eve-online community: ultimately no one cares about this aside from the people who have been looking for a reason to hate mittani for over a year. |
Henriette Malia Alette
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:49:00 -
[663] - Quote
1. First off - the nice "cut" that been show with The Wis and another - is pure text.. text, unless shown as a pic - is just text.. its not even The Wis that posted it.. - im landing on the possiblitiy that the entire "post" between those 2 persons, never happened, and was just written to have some "sort of defense" - "look he dont care"..
The picture SHOWING the conversation holds far greater credibility, and shows a person that actually cares.
2. After seeing how goons attacking everyone in the same maner and spirit as theyre leader whom suggested others to drive the miner to suiciding - ridiculing people, - i can only reach the conclusion - "monkey draws monkey's".. theyre behaviour is the exact same as Mittani's own - to the edge of respectless and beyond..
3. The fact that Goons now - as reported in the picture by The Wis are invading his system, sends a clear signal, that while the guy may not have cared in the first place - goonwaffe sure as hell are gonna make sure to drive him to the edge. So answer me this mittani - if you truly do mean youre apologuie, why the hell are youre minions moving in ? - If i really was sorry, my first "order" in youre shoe, was to order everyone to stay the **** away from the victim - youre people do the opposite - somewhat - i again land on a conclusion - whatever official apologuie u have given, is worth nothing, as you behind the scene - making sure that the 10 billion the victim got, soon will have to go to keep buying new ships, as youre "friends" keep ganking him - perhaps - as in youre original statement "to the point where he commits suicide"..
With other words - youre actions Mitanni, and the actions of youre "goons" by posts, and by actions show what you first stated - "i **** on this man, and i will drive him by all means over the edge if i can" - was what you REALLY ment. The post here, heh.. sorry.. -10 for credibility. Try again - this time perhaps tell ure goonwankers to shut the h... up, and try behave as mature people - then again, youre apperantly not one, nor are ure wankers. |
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:50:00 -
[664] - Quote
Yeah right...
First this clown is all smug about it and taunting people in his posts. Then the player reactions/threadnaughts explode on the forums and media sites pick up on the story; and all of a sudden he's finally sorry for his drunken actions?
Everybody careful now, you don't want to step in the bullshit....
Having this idiot as chair of the CSM is bad for CCP and for the EvE community. I certainly don't want this clown representing us!
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1472
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:50:00 -
[665] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:I forgot to mention something in my earlier posts.
The reason why we are all posting about this is basically the following:
Carebear got ganked and tried to compel his ganker with a pitiful message that could be true or not true or not entirely true. The ganker forwarded the message to Mittani that he used later on in his Alliance Panel presentation. Mittani made some comments about the message, laughing in the essence at how carebear tried to get compassion out of his enemy.
I too get angry and sometimes sad messages from people, sometimes they are just as simple as "I cant afford a new ship". I do send people reimbursement ISK, but I dont send them when they are trying to play on a pity towards mentaly sick. Partly because I know those and the last thing they want is to be treated so. So why are you all trying to do the opposite?
Also, for those of you with "In real life he should be sentenced for this" issues, this is Eve Online, welcome to the SandBox.
Nobody sensible is saying that and for the record I think "the mittani" is entitled to be as much as a **** as he wants to be while playing the game as long as he stays within the eula and tos.
But he doesn't get the right to continue to be a **** while flown to iceland on an expenses paid trip and filmed on stage at fanfest with the eyes of the gaming media on his embarrassingly drunken performance.
When he stands there as CSM chair he is supposed to be representing the player base and acting as an example of good behaviour as an ambassador for the game.
The problem is he got drunk on the moment and the encouraged by a circle-jerk of sycophants to forget he was Alex Gianturkeyo in front of the cameras and got back into character as "the mittani" (ie a giant ****) and did quite a lot of harm to the reputation of CCP and the Eve player base in the eyes of the wider gaming community.
Nobody wants Eve to get a reputation as the place where mean-spirited cyber bullying asshats get to make people's lives a misery using CCP's camera tech at fanfest to practise harrassment!
We should play the game hard in character, in space, we should blow up ships and make people cry in space warfare certainly. But the whole point of fanfest is to step out from behind the gameface and see each other as human beings for a time - not to use the opportunity to going bullying and acting like a **** - and especially not for the elected player representative of the CSM.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Ertai Erquilenne
Pompia Technology
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:50:00 -
[666] - Quote
I think it took a lot of balls to own up to being a drunk *******. Everybody does stupid stuff sometimes, but this Mitani seems to have genuinely felt bad about what he said. I think stepping down is probably a bit much, since the guy he talked bad about is apparently (??) cool and all with him now. He made his restitution. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
116
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:51:00 -
[667] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: PS; as a genuine independent eve player I consider his apology and 10.7 bil isk reparations paid more than enough to make up for his mistake
And howmuch did Goonswarm take in from Moongoo per month again? Makes 10.7 bill look like easy peanuts.
Resign chair and work under someone else as chair. That seems fitting enough for me and wouyld be more of a lesson as how to act in public then he displayed at the Fanfest.
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Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:51:00 -
[668] - Quote
+1 For OP and everyone who has shown the maturity to accept it. UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
417
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:52:00 -
[669] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Sir, This post was exactly the right thing to do. You again have my support as chairman of CSM 7. I look forward to working with you. I would however understand if you do choose to step down. A lot of folks may not find just the apology enough. Either way, you took the right first step. Issler Dainze CSM 7 Member
I think everyone who voted for Mitanni had and has a pretty good idea of who he is in this game and what his alliance does. Did he get drunk and carry it over the line? Sure. And now he has sincerly apologized for it.
Nothing about this situation changes anything about who The Mitanni was before FanFest or will be now. He remains an excellent chairman, elected with a record breaking +10,000 votes, with the experience and savvy the players need to get the best possible results out of the CSM process.
Like a proper adult he took responsibility for his mistake, personally apologized to the player, and has made one of the most heartfelt apologies a person can make to the players as a whole. I suggest we in turn, as a community, also show the maturity to realize everyone makes mistakes; it's how they deal with them that reveals their character. I am willing to accept his apology and move on.
Alexander Gianturco has my full confidence and support to continue as chairman of CSM7. www.noirmercs.com Now Recruiting #VoteAlek for CSM7-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67574&find=unread |
Maximille Biagge
The Eden Trading International Corporation Curatores Veritatis Alliance
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:52:00 -
[670] - Quote
If the apolagy was sincere it would have come straight away and not only after the public outcry.
It deffinitely would not have started with you trolling all the posters who disagreed with your behaviour first and then making up some story about you "not realising what exactly you said".
Will forever be remembered as the chairman that disgraced the eve community that voted him into power. |
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Pudgy McFudge
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:53:00 -
[671] - Quote
I'm gay. |
Hecatonis
Ascension Manufacturing
64
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:54:00 -
[672] - Quote
you still need to step down and i will tell you why.
you have created a persona that can easily be the most hated man in the game, and that i perfectly fine because the game lets you be that person.
but then you said something really stupid around around lots of people at an event recorded and broadcasted to thousands of people. all those people that hate you far beyond this game will run with it and in their hate will hurt this game because of it, and nothing you say or do other then you loosing your power will make them happy.
yes this is so much bigger then it should be because you are you and the leader of the goons, but this problem was of your own creation because of all those people you intentional tried to **** off and make mad, and dont bring down this game because of your online persona and the problems you created.
i personally don't care what was said or what was done, but dont let those that are mad at you ruin this environment.
CCP will probably never have the same kind of fan fest every again because of this, they will have to:
1) not let any drinking happen 2) not let any recording 3) both
and that is because of you. not because of what you said, but because they gave you the tools to really make people mad and they will do it just to hurt you.
do us a favour and step down.
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Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:54:00 -
[673] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Everyone, in one way or another, pays for their mistakes as well.
And he has. He's issued a public apology to Wis, he's given him more than 10 billion isk, and he's expressed regret that he made a complete ass of himself on live TV. He's said he'll be talking to the CSM and CCP about this, and they'll reach a decision together. That seems like plenty of payment for his mistake, and instead of screaming about how he should be impeached and removed and expelled and banned from the game maybe everyone should just, you know, let the CSM and CCP work it out. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:54:00 -
[674] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Nobody sensible is saying that and for the record I think "the mittani" is entitled to be as much as a **** as he wants to be while playing the game as long as he stays within the eula and tos.
But he doesn't get the right to continue to be a **** while flown to iceland on an expenses paid trip and filmed on stage at fanfest with the eyes of the gaming media on his embarrassingly drunken performance.
When he stands there as CSM chair he is supposed to be representing the player base and acting as an example of good behaviour as an ambassador for the game.
The problem is he got drunk on the moment and the encouraged by a circle-jerk of sycophants to forget he was Alex Gianturkeyo in front of the cameras and got back into character as "the mittani" (ie a giant ****) and did quite a lot of harm to the reputation of CCP and the Eve player base in the eyes of the wider gaming community.
Nobody wants Eve to get a reputation as the place where mean-spirited cyber bullying asshats get to make people's lives a misery using CCP's camera tech at fanfest to practise harrassment!
We should play the game hard in character, in space, we should blow up ships and make people cry in space warfare certainly. But the whole point of fanfest is to step out from behind the gameface and see each other as human beings for a time - not to use the opportunity to going bullying and acting like a **** - and especially not for the elected player representative of the CSM.
You're not helping him neither CCP at all.... actually cementing reasons for CCP to do something ... really stop ... |
Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:55:00 -
[675] - Quote
way to make EVE-O look bad to the entire gaming community.
the only acceptable option is seppuku. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
49
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:55:00 -
[676] - Quote
Shere wrote:
You can't literally discount the views of a giant portion of the eve playerbase just because they're "you goons". That's also ignoring the fact that it's hardly ONLY goons who think this entire situation is a load of garbage.
You mean the <3% population that goons represent?
Nothing clever at this time. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:55:00 -
[677] - Quote
Henriette Malia Alette wrote:if you truly do mean youre apologuie, why the hell are youre minions moving in ?
1) Cool NPC alt.
2) You are aware that members of GSF are not actually bots but are, in fact, their own individuals capable of thinking for themselves?
You seriously need to think about getting rid of that tin foil, it looks rather silly. |
Gorongo Frostfyr
Shimohi Heavy Industries
51
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:56:00 -
[678] - Quote
who believes this? |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:56:00 -
[679] - Quote
Maximille Biagge wrote:If the apolagy was sincere it would have come straight away and not only after the public outcry.
the greatest factor in Mitten's favour is that most of his detractors can't even speak english |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
732
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:56:00 -
[680] - Quote
Ertai Erquilenne wrote:I think it took a lot of balls to own up to being a drunk *******. Everybody does stupid stuff sometimes, but this Mitani seems to have genuinely felt bad about what he said. I think stepping down is probably a bit much, since the guy he talked bad about is apparently (??) cool and all with him now. He made his restitution.
Apologising is one thing.
Stepping down from something after such a mistake as this is showing people you are sorry.
Lets hypothesise for a moment. Pretend Alex is the CEO of a business, and the business employees and friends/shareholders all go out for a christmas dinner. Alex gets up and makes a presentation about his hot lil blone PA, and says how much he would like to **** her. While he was drunk.
Do you think an apology would cover that? Typed on the internet? That took a few minutes to write?
Yes, this is a hypothetical situation, and yes there were no lasting effects. Acting like that is unacceptable.
And don't forget this was a presentation, not an off-the-cuff acceptance speech. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
499
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:57:00 -
[681] - Quote
Pudgy McFudge wrote:I'm gay.
My place or yours? Eve Online: A Bad Game. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1474
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:57:00 -
[682] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:But what happened at fanfest had nothing to do with "the mittani" the character. It was Alex gianturkeyo ripping on some other player as the leader of Eve's player council in the view of the cameras in a performance that was immediately replayed and analysed by the gaming press.
He did it as himself, the leader of the CSM. And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. You're kinda full of **** since it was the alliance panel and nothing to do with the CSM, he was speaking as the leader of Goonswarm, not as the leader of the CSM, there's a huge difference.
Thats wriggling Tyrrax and you are only saying it because you are a desperate goon wannabe at heart (but I forgive you)
When the leader of the CSM gets up on stage and acts like a drunken prat he's doing it as the leader of the CSM - I've been the chair of that organization myself and I know what the position entails and the example one is supposed to set to the community. If I had drunkenly slured out racist abuse on the alliance panel as SF Executor you can bet people wouldn't be standing up and saying "its okay Jade was doing it as an RP anarchist not the chair of the CSM!"
Quote:PS; as a genuine independent eve player I consider his apology and 10.7 bil isk reparations paid more than enough to make up for his mistake
You are about as independent as a monkey on an organ-grinder's chain.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:58:00 -
[683] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote: PS; as a genuine independent eve player I consider his apology and 10.7 bil isk reparations paid more than enough to make up for his mistake
And howmuch did Goonswarm take in from Moongoo per month again? Makes 10.7 bill look like easy peanuts. Resign chair and work under someone else as chair. That seems fitting enough for me and wouyld be more of a lesson as how to act in public then he displayed at the Fanfest.
Yes of course the ISK amount is trivial to his corporation and alliance - doesn't mean it is to him as an individual and it most definitely isn't a trivial amount to the victim
considering how public and transparent goonswarm's finances are I see no reason to think it wasn't his personal ISK he sent to the wis - while you think it's fitting he resign not many of the people who voted for him would agree with you |
Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:58:00 -
[684] - Quote
Mittani, thanks for posting this. I have some respect for you now. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:00:00 -
[685] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
You are about as independent as a monkey on an organ-grinder's chain.
This coming from someone who tries to make money off his opinions. The customer is always right, eh? Wink, nudge, jab.... |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
108
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:00:00 -
[686] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Henriette Malia Alette wrote:if you truly do mean youre apologuie, why the hell are youre minions moving in ? 1) Cool NPC alt. 2) You are aware that members of GSF are not actually bots but are, in fact, their own individuals capable of thinking for themselves? You seriously need to think about getting rid of that tin foil, it looks rather silly.
LoL sorry, I truly think debating lost causes is useless, but I couldn't avoid this.
If all the goons posting in this thread do support some of the reasoning they post, they are really mentally ill, I trully hope they are actually mindless bots, still gives me hope on humanity !
Anyway, my opinions were told, posting useless stuff in this thread won't help at all, any side. Opinions were given, responsable people will make decisions. |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:00:00 -
[687] - Quote
I just noticed, you got more votes than you have likes on this forum. hummmm also you are so full of it that your eyes are brown.
who is your main, and what does he do? |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
732
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:01:00 -
[688] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Headerman wrote:Everyone, in one way or another, pays for their mistakes as well. And he has. He's issued a public apology to Wis, he's given him more than 10 billion isk, and he's expressed regret that he made a complete ass of himself on live TV. He's said he'll be talking to the CSM and CCP about this, and they'll reach a decision together. That seems like plenty of payment for his mistake, and instead of screaming about how he should be impeached and removed and expelled and banned from the game maybe everyone should just, you know, let the CSM and CCP work it out.
An apology that took 5 minutes to type down and post on the internet?
10 billion isk from the alliance fund of how much?
An apology on live tv?
It is a start.
But what happens next time? The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
217
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:01:00 -
[689] - Quote
Tbh I'd rather see Mittens stay than go. He's been good as a cyber-villain and I'd rather have someone like him at the head of the CSM than someone who's idea of EVE is to all hold hands and do a Level 4. . |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1474
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:02:00 -
[690] - Quote
Shere wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.) You can't literally discount the views of a giant portion of the eve playerbase just because they're "you goons". .
Which is rather ironic given that Mittani himself discounted the views of anybody in an NPC corp and claimed they weren't real subscribers this very afternoon
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
239
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:02:00 -
[691] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Headerman wrote:Everyone, in one way or another, pays for their mistakes as well. And he has. He's issued a public apology to Wis, he's given him more than 10 billion isk, and he's expressed regret that he made a complete ass of himself on live TV. He's said he'll be talking to the CSM and CCP about this, and they'll reach a decision together. That seems like plenty of payment for his mistake, and instead of screaming about how he should be impeached and removed and expelled and banned from the game maybe everyone should just, you know, let the CSM and CCP work it out.
That's the most sensible post I've seen a goon make.
I think he should resign as chairman simply to avoid more bad feelings to spread, but that is his decision, however I am not calling on any drastic measures like banning him from EVE that would be a little excessive.
Everyone on both sides should probably calm down and take a step back. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:02:00 -
[692] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Thats wriggling Tyrrax and you are only saying it because you are a desperate goon wannabe at heart (but I forgive you)
lol ?
Quote: You are about as independent as a monkey on an organ-grinder's chain.
i'm actually really surprised you think that , personally I'd say I'm one of the most independent people in the game. |
Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:03:00 -
[693] - Quote
I actually tried to watch the alliance panel live and it froze on me twice in the beginning and stopped watching. I just got done watching the entire thing twice. I will be surprised if you are not banned. Then again I guess this will tell a lot about CCP practices as well. Everyone makes mistakes. If this apology is actually sincere I applaud you for that.
To little to late VS the EULA I believe though. I hope 10k of goons and ALTS are not enough to bully CCP this time... I do not believe CCP should let this slide with letting you step down. It would not be the first time CCP has let someone step down or bow out on their own accord though. Guess we will see. GL if your gone. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3487
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:04:00 -
[694] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Which is rather ironic given that Mittani himself discounted the views of anybody in an NPC corp and claimed they weren't real subscribers this very afternoon
Anybody who is afraid of expressing their views from their main characters is not worth listening to. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:04:00 -
[695] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.) It's seemed to me in my whole 12 hours of forum experience that that's the status quo. "If I shout it loud enough, it'll become the truth."
The truth is, unfortunately, the one thing nobody is really confronting: Resignations promised: 1 Resignations: 0I really hope CCP doesn't have to step in here (for business reasons or whatnot). I think it's important that The Mittani act of his own accord, and either step down or announce his intention to stay. In real-world politics we don't get to just replace our elected officials, but we definitely get to pressure them into action and if they refuse to take said action they don't get re-elected. This should be no different. The social depth of this game is already making this noob very, very happy with his new gaming home. :) Get out forum alt. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:04:00 -
[696] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:But what happened at fanfest had nothing to do with "the mittani" the character. It was Alex gianturkeyo ripping on some other player as the leader of Eve's player council in the view of the cameras in a performance that was immediately replayed and analysed by the gaming press.
He did it as himself, the leader of the CSM. And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. You're kinda full of **** since it was the alliance panel and nothing to do with the CSM, he was speaking as the leader of Goonswarm, not as the leader of the CSM, there's a huge difference. Thats wriggling Tyrrax and you are only saying it because you are a desperate goon wannabe at heart (but I forgive you) When the leader of the CSM gets up on stage and acts like a drunken prat he's doing it as the leader of the CSM - I've been the chair of that organization myself and I know what the position entails and the example one is supposed to set to the community. If I had drunkenly slured out racist abuse on the alliance panel as SF Executor you can bet people wouldn't be standing up and saying "its okay Jade was doing it as an RP anarchist not the chair of the CSM!" Quote:PS; as a genuine independent eve player I consider his apology and 10.7 bil isk reparations paid more than enough to make up for his mistake You are about as independent as a monkey on an organ-grinder's chain.
Look at you, accusing others of being mindless while being obviously biased yourself.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1476
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:06:00 -
[697] - Quote
L00B wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
You are about as independent as a monkey on an organ-grinder's chain.
This coming from someone who tries to make money off his opinions. The customer is always right, eh? Wink, nudge, jab....
Well lol tbh, I kinda revealed that I worked as a marketing consultant when I ran for CSM the first time - what exactly is your point?
(as mud throwing goes thats a bit random/surrealist)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Ro'Kera
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:06:00 -
[698] - Quote
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Alexander Gianturco has my full confidence and support to continue as chairman of CSM7. +1 |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:07:00 -
[699] - Quote
Is this still going on? I'd like to sleep soon. |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:07:00 -
[700] - Quote
Headerman wrote:An apology that took 5 minutes to type down and post on the internet?
10 billion isk from the alliance fund of how much?
An apology on live tv?
It is a start.
But what happens next time?
CFC Alliance funds are some of the most transparent out there, and if he siphons 10b to refill his coffers you can damn well bet some sperglord'll point it out. That post clearly had way more than 5 minutes spent on it, given he was immediately twittering the moment his plane hit he ground about how he felt like ****. Maybe if CCP feels it's needed the'll have him give a presentation on how sorry he is via EVE TV.
Maybe if he makes a drunken ******* of himself on EVE TV again in the future, then he gets banned, kicked, removed from the CSM. But not for a single mistake like this. |
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Rob Daphiti
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:07:00 -
[701] - Quote
Andski wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Which is rather ironic given that Mittani himself discounted the views of anybody in an NPC corp and claimed they weren't real subscribers this very afternoon Anybody who is afraid of expressing their views from their main characters is not worth listening to.
Yeah he can't grief you out of the game if you on a alt. Post with you main so he can take revenge! Its what eve is all about! GRIEF! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1476
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:08:00 -
[702] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Thats wriggling Tyrrax and you are only saying it because you are a desperate goon wannabe at heart (but I forgive you)
lol ? Quote: You are about as independent as a monkey on an organ-grinder's chain.
I'm actually rather surprised you think that , personally I'd say I'm one of the most independent individuals in the game.
Sorry to disappoint Tyrrax, but it has seemed for years now you are star-struck with SA love and pretty much completely assimilated.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Darc Kaahar
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:08:00 -
[703] - Quote
This sure is a thread |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:08:00 -
[704] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:When he stands there as CSM chair he is supposed to be representing the player base and acting as an example of good behaviour as an ambassador for the game. No. He is there acting as himself. The idea that he should change his behaviour simply because he is a CSM and Chairman is completely absurd. This is the guy the player base elected. Twice. Every knows he and the rest of the Goons are colossal asshats. And yet he was still elected by a landslide. If you (and the rest of EvE) don't like it, don't elect him again. Simple as that.
And for the record, I'm not a huge fan of the Goons. If BOB had won so long ago, I would not have shed a tear.
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Krutoj
xSPECNAZx
94
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:09:00 -
[705] - Quote
Man there are alot of hypocrits, well you know what, I was there as well and I am just as guilty then for laughing as the rest of the people present who did. And do you know why they did it? Because, and I know this is surprising to you all, it wasnt about cyberbulling, it was about Eve Online,Sandbox, Virtual World and the CEOs whose alliances dwell in it, however twisted and awesome they are. And of players who choose to be a prey or become a hunter.
Dont make me /wrists from all this awefull posting. Btw time for lunch |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3488
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:09:00 -
[706] - Quote
Rob Daphiti wrote:Yeah he can't grief you out of the game if you on a alt. Post with you main so he can take revenge! Its what eve is all about! GRIEF!
Exactly why NPC alts are not worth listening to. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:09:00 -
[707] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Well lol tbh, I kinda revealed that I worked as a marketing consultant when I ran for CSM the first time - what exactly is your point?
(as mud throwing goes thats a bit random/surrealist)
you roleplay space prostitutes. I am not making this up, Jade Constantine literally roleplays a prostitute in a space brothel. |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:09:00 -
[708] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible....I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
I'm just trying to get my head around the level of disappointment and disgust I feel hearing about this.
Mittens got my vote(s) for CSM because I think he played a large part in kicking CCP into line last year. But this was utterly counter productive. At the Fanfest where CCP announce a marketing drive that can only be good for the game, the very next week's interwebz headlines are about this. Thanks, it's not as if EVE is already a hard sell or anything.
Well done on undermining the game we all care about. This is as bad as Hilmar's killmail, but since The Mittani's elected, I get say I would like to see not a rethink on his part, but a resignation. Man up, you utter coward.
And please, the "I was drunk" excuse? Or worse still, the sad suggestion that this is the sort of thing his in-game character would do, but that he blurred the line? This was part of a planned presentation, by an elected representative of the players, where he encouraged player harrasment. That alone ought to get him a ban - not only because higher profile ought to carry steeper penalties, but because there is simply no level where this is acceptable in a game. The fact that he even suspected the guy might have been suicidal when he did this... pathetic.
Just resign already.
/JTK |
Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:10:00 -
[709] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
Mittens, I had no idea that you were such an avid member of EVE's roleplaying community! I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
116
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:10:00 -
[710] - Quote
Andski wrote: Anybody who is afraid of expressing their views from their main characters is not worth listening to.
And anyone using his main and isn't agreeing with you and your kin is a sperg.
Yes yes we already know that rethoric. It was original a few years ago but the internet is fast and unforgiving.
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Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:10:00 -
[711] - Quote
Since he was re-elected that means he was in the position long enough to know what conduct is acceptable and what is not. An apology therefore does not cut the mustard. His vile conduct was not representative of the eve community. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:10:00 -
[712] - Quote
I love you Krutoj. Physically |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
949
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:10:00 -
[713] - Quote
You're a better man than just another dog with a bunch of mad dogs beating down the cat. It's not a Mittens take down any more right now just in case you haven't noticed, it's Alex their target, this is what just became disgusting in this thread. I really hope you are a better man than that, if not, then I just made a fool of my self. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:10:00 -
[714] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:
Look at you, accusing others of being mindless while being obviously biased yourself.
Stay tuned as me and my co-host fellate each other after these commercials! Oh, my word what an amazing show we have here! I hate goons so much I can't make it through a show without a snide remark! Oh, a goon did a THING you say! I'll be on that like stink on ****! LOOKOUT, IT'S GOOGLE ADSENSE TO THE RESCUE!"
Nothing you say matters, Jade. When we see other posters, all you see is dollar signs.
Although in your case, it's probably more like that 9/10ths of a cent on the end of gas prices. |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:11:00 -
[715] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Marduk Nibiru wrote:[..in fact, I would put a great deal of money betting down that you're in AA or NA. Never ceases to amaze me how much peolpe who've "recovered" from substance abuse end up trying to convert everyone into thinking they've all got the same problem. As a member of AA.....it is a program of promotion NOT ATTRACTION. Nobody in AA ever, ever 'converts' or even mentions to someone that they have an 'issue'. That is up for the alcoholic to realize. Talking to a using alcoholic does not work. Never has, never will. I threw myself into a rehab in 1997 by my own hand, nobody else's.
Good for you. I can't count the number of AA blowhards that have tried to convince me I've got a problem and try to convert me to their way of looking at things. Hell, I was forced to go by the government when I was 16 because I got caught with a beer in my hand.
Quote: Next time, type about recovery and AA and things related when you actually know what you are talking about.
If I don't, then nobody does. Plain and simple. You don't know **** all about me or my experiences, and your arrogant assumption that you do is pretty much par for the course with you blowhards in my experience. |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:11:00 -
[716] - Quote
We should call you Mel Gibson from now on..
BLAME THE ALCOHOL.
Funny thing about sociopaths is that they ALWAYS act like sociopaths. They also blame everyone and everything but themselves. The simple fact that the Goon nation is made up of the scum from the sociopathic SOMETHINGAWFUL.com is why not a single GOON has the dignity nor the morality to stop towing the alliance line (for fear of exile no doubt) and say that you deserve to be a) removed from the CSM henceforth and forever and b) removed from EvE Online henceforth and forever.
Be a man and leave. Or, I guess you could hope that CCP doesn't do the right thing, eternal biomass.
~ 49,000 ~ |
Highauger's animated corpse
Stargate SG-1 Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:12:00 -
[717] - Quote
This apology seems very real to me.
Further, I doubt even the trolls believe that Alex does not regret his words at that panel. Let's face it, it wasn't pretty.
As for the calls to resign? Get a grip, this is eve online, anyone who resubbed after the first month knows the score.
A further apology? Continue the tireless work you have done so far to bring CCP and the player base closer together, I cannot think of a harder form of penance.
..and dye that beard the colour of Wiz choice for a month. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
188
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:13:00 -
[718] - Quote
Alex is an admitted sadist. Actually he brags about it. Anyone who was surprised by what they saw hasn't been reading his comments in his own CSM election thread. What, you thought goons roleplay? Of course he's exactly the same out of game as in game.
In vino veritas.
Sympathies to the small percentage of goons who are coming to a realization. They thought they were following Mussolini incarnate but really he's just a drunken buffoon made possible only by CCP's glamorization of sadism. It really is sad in a way. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
132
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:13:00 -
[719] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: You are about as independent as a monkey on an organ-grinder's chain.
Be careful your goonhate is showing.
And you are now resorting to broad generalizations about goons and the CFC in general.
So by your infinite wisdom all of us in the CFC must be a bunch of brainwashed sheep who follow mittani like some sort of god emperor. By your standards an "independent pilot" has to be some elitiest, e-honor, white knight.
Nobody in the CFC was forced to vote for mittani, everyone that voted for him did it because they wanted him as CSM chair. Mittani and Dovinian were put on the CSM to represent the interests of over 15000 players, and by extension the multitudes of other players outside of the CFC who probably dont even realize that the CSM was making the game better for them too (you can thank CSM6 under mittani's leadership for crucible). |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1476
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:13:00 -
[720] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Well lol tbh, I kinda revealed that I worked as a marketing consultant when I ran for CSM the first time - what exactly is your point?
(as mud throwing goes thats a bit random/surrealist)
you roleplay space prostitutes. I am not making this up, Jade Constantine literally roleplays a prostitute in a space brothel.
I have a funny story about the time chief of goon intelligence sent that exact accusation to one of my clients at a London telecoms company. Was pretty funny explaining how seriously a clan of internet spaceship warriors took PR and RL character assassination in the universe of new eden over coffee and donuts that morning. Even more ironically the guy in charge of "good intel" back then was one Mittani. What a coincidence!
(PS when goons are desperate they tell lots of lies about people.)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:13:00 -
[721] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.) It's seemed to me in my whole 12 hours of forum experience that that's the status quo. "If I shout it loud enough, it'll become the truth."
The truth is, unfortunately, the one thing nobody is really confronting: Resignations promised: 1 Resignations: 0I really hope CCP doesn't have to step in here (for business reasons or whatnot). I think it's important that The Mittani act of his own accord, and either step down or announce his intention to stay. In real-world politics we don't get to just replace our elected officials, but we definitely get to pressure them into action and if they refuse to take said action they don't get re-elected. This should be no different. The social depth of this game is already making this noob very, very happy with his new gaming home. :) Get out forum alt. Edit: parachute alts are disregarded. Post on your main. As I've posted several times through this whole thing (including in the very post you quoted) I'm a new player. Not an alt.
Not that it matters anyway. Who cares who says something? Isn't the content of the message what's important?
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:13:00 -
[722] - Quote
"Guys, it was the alcohol"
- Jeffrey Dahmer |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:14:00 -
[723] - Quote
10 billion in ISK.
That's a lot. 200 hundred whole dollars. With a nest egg like that, I bet a little goonie could move out of his mom's basement!
Big money now, eh.
Even for little people, you aren't talking real money till you hit 20,000 dollars. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:15:00 -
[724] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
Well lol tbh, I kinda revealed that I worked as a marketing consultant when I ran for CSM the first time - what exactly is your point?
(as mud throwing goes thats a bit random/surrealist)
I'm sorry, all I can see when you say marketing consultant is professional **** hoover. Please go on about how your opinion is rooted in some semblance of truth rather than your opportunist search for more listeners to buy ETCs. I wouldn't be surprised to discover that the only reason you hate goons is that they use a different GTC site than the one you hawk. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3493
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:16:00 -
[725] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:"Guys, it was the alcohol"
- Jeffrey Dahmer
I'd say you're pretty pathetic for capitalizing on somebody's troubles to avoid getting your incursions nerfed or whatever. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
132
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:16:00 -
[726] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
I have a funny story about the time chief of goon intelligence sent that exact accusation to one of my clients at a London telecoms company. Was pretty funny explaining how seriously a clan of internet spaceship warriors took PR and RL character assassination in the universe of new eden over coffee and donuts that morning. Even more ironically the guy in charge of "good intel" back then was one Mittani. What a coincidence!
(PS when goons are desperate they tell lots of lies about people.)
Care to provide proof? |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
734
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:16:00 -
[727] - Quote
Additionally, why was this presentation not previewed by CCP? The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:16:00 -
[728] - Quote
Alex,
I'll forgive you. But first I'll need a 500m ISK deposit.
~ 49,000 ~ |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:16:00 -
[729] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:[quote=Powers Sa][quote=Amity Lane] As I've posted several times through this whole thing (including in the very post you quoted) I'm a new player. Not an alt.
Not that it matters anyway. Who cares who says something? Isn't the content of the message what's important?
thats what a forum alt would say |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:18:00 -
[730] - Quote
M O R E
G O O N
T E A R S
I am swimming in them! |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3493
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:18:00 -
[731] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:Alex,
I'll forgive you. But first I'll need a 500m ISK deposit.
~ 49,000 ~
funny that only one of those that received the other 49,000 votes (and is a CSM delegate) has been part of this crucifixion campaign. the rest seem pretty eager to keep him as chairman.
;p "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:18:00 -
[732] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:Man there are alot of hypocrits, well you know what, I was there as well and I am just as guilty then for laughing as the rest of the people present who did. And do you know why they did it? Because, and I know this is surprising to you all, it wasnt about cyberbulling, it was about Eve Online,Sandbox, Virtual World and the CEOs whose alliances dwell in it, however twisted and awesome they are. And of players who choose to be a prey or become a hunter.
Dont make me /wrists from all this awefull posting. Btw time for lunch
Krutoj, you just make me love you more and more every time you post. +1
The game is about what players make it. If they want to go around and extract tears, go ahead, I won't even bat an eye. The game is hard, and it's not forgiving. How are the players supposed to know if someone is (possibly) unstable, or just emoraging that his empire of 23 mackinaw characters just asploded in his face.
TL;DR Nothing to see here, go back to your worthless eve lives. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3493
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:19:00 -
[733] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:M O R E
G O O N
T E A R S
I am swimming in them!
i'm sure you're doing your victory lap as we speak but you're going to be sorely disappointed "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:19:00 -
[734] - Quote
Andski wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Which is rather ironic given that Mittani himself discounted the views of anybody in an NPC corp and claimed they weren't real subscribers this very afternoon Anybody who is afraid of expressing their views from their main characters is not worth listening to.
Funny how ALTs votes are good enough during election time though |
Ilinea
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:19:00 -
[735] - Quote
For the Mittani, I have only 3 words: Deal with it!
They told me to mine... and I started to mine, the market ;) |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3493
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:19:00 -
[736] - Quote
Shepard Book wrote:Andski wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Which is rather ironic given that Mittani himself discounted the views of anybody in an NPC corp and claimed they weren't real subscribers this very afternoon Anybody who is afraid of expressing their views from their main characters is not worth listening to. Funny how ALTs votes are good enough during election time though
Funny how you can only vote once per account. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:20:00 -
[737] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Daviclond wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Well lol tbh, I kinda revealed that I worked as a marketing consultant when I ran for CSM the first time - what exactly is your point?
(as mud throwing goes thats a bit random/surrealist)
you roleplay space prostitutes. I am not making this up, Jade Constantine literally roleplays a prostitute in a space brothel. I have a funny story about the time chief of goon intelligence sent that exact accusation to one of my clients at a London telecoms company. Was pretty funny explaining how seriously a clan of internet spaceship warriors took PR and RL character assassination in the universe of new eden over coffee and donuts that morning. Even more ironically the guy in charge of "good intel" back then was one Mittani. What a coincidence! (PS when goons are desperate they tell lots of lies about people.)
You should have seen what we did to Remedial! |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:20:00 -
[738] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:You're a better man than just another dog with a bunch of mad dogs beating down the cat. It's not a Mittens take down any more right now just in case you haven't noticed, it's Alex their target, this is what just became disgusting in this thread. I really hope you are a better man than that, if not, then I just made a fool of my self.
I am personally insulted that monkey boy expects me to take his less than two hundred dollar "gift" seriously.
It's like watching a monkey throw BLEEP at you, it gets old in the first second and goes down hill from there. |
Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:20:00 -
[739] - Quote
That video is priceless... would make for a classic soundboard.
I don't judge it as any more than normal eve griefing tbh Whatever "dev" it was that removed the pod squish sound probably never even logged into the game. |
Rutherford Rainman
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:20:00 -
[740] - Quote
Since when are people allowed to just say "sorry" and walk away? Actions have consequences, even while drunk. |
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:21:00 -
[741] - Quote
But seriously, I saw your brothel role-playing website before you took it down under the goonrush when we started linking it on the forums. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3493
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:21:00 -
[742] - Quote
Rutherford Rainman wrote:Since when are people allowed to just say "sorry" and walk away? Actions have consequences, even while drunk.
Ted Kennedy. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:21:00 -
[743] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:You're a better man than just another dog with a bunch of mad dogs beating down the cat. It's not a Mittens take down any more right now just in case you haven't noticed, it's Alex their target, this is what just became disgusting in this thread. I really hope you are a better man than that, if not, then I just made a fool of my self. I am personally insulted that monkey boy expects me to take his less than two hundred dollar "gift" seriously. It's like watching a monkey throw poo at you, it gets old in the first second and goes down hill from there.
Confirming mad status. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:22:00 -
[744] - Quote
To be honest, this does not surprise me at all. You had a few drinks and the real you bled through. This guy took time off from work, bought a plane ticket to Iceland, with all sorts of exectations of fun and celebration to be had with his fellow EVE pilots....
Instead he left having been made fun of by you infront of thousands of people streamed around the world. Thats an awesome memory to carry around with you for life......
Bought a plane ticket to Iceland: $1,200.00 Hotel Room with fellow EVE Pilots: $300.00 Titcekt to Fan Fest: $125.00 Get Screamed at by Alex Gianturd infront of Thousand of fellow EVE pilots.......... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Bane Necran
159
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:22:00 -
[745] - Quote
If you goons are looking for someone to kill, this is my main, and i lose ships all the time. Don't even care about it.
Docked in Rens at the moment. So if you send 2 or 3 guys down i can let them blow up a couple ships i have. That should be fun for you. |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:22:00 -
[746] - Quote
CCP is in this to make money.
Not to protect sociopathic players who call for a suicide just as they are planning a series of major releases.
"Do we keep him and look like evil, blood thirsty bastards or do we cut ties with the culprit?"
hmmmmmmmm.....
~ 49,000 ~ |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:22:00 -
[747] - Quote
Rutherford Rainman wrote:Since when are people allowed to just say "sorry" and walk away? Actions have consequences, even while drunk.
Someone obviously doesn't like the sandbox. |
Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:23:00 -
[748] - Quote
Andski wrote:Shepard Book wrote:Andski wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Which is rather ironic given that Mittani himself discounted the views of anybody in an NPC corp and claimed they weren't real subscribers this very afternoon Anybody who is afraid of expressing their views from their main characters is not worth listening to. Funny how ALTs votes are good enough during election time though Funny how you can only vote once per account.
I doubt I am the only one here with multiple accounts.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
949
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:23:00 -
[749] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Additionally, why was this presentation not previewed by CCP?
Because it was an ALLIANCE presentation and not CSM presentation?
You see the difference ? -if you do then you also see who they're after. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3493
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:23:00 -
[750] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:To be honest, this does not surprise me at all. You had a few drinks and the real you bled through. This guy took time off from work, bought a plane ticket to Iceland, with all sorts of exectations of fun and celebration to be had with his fellow EVE pilots.... Instead he left having been made fun of by you infront of thousands of people streamed around the world. Thats an awesome memory to carry around with you for life...... Bought a plane ticket to Iceland: $1,200.00 Hotel Room with fellow EVE Pilots: $300.00 Titcekt to Fan Fest: $125.00 Get Screamed at by Alex Gianturd infront of Thousand of fellow EVE pilots.......... .
The Wis did not go to Fanfest. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
39
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:24:00 -
[751] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:To be honest, this does not surprise me at all. You had a few drinks and the real you bled through. This guy took time off from work, bought a plane ticket to Iceland, with all sorts of exectations of fun and celebration to be had with his fellow EVE pilots.... Instead he left having been made fun of by you infront of thousands of people streamed around the world. Thats an awesome memory to carry around with you for life...... Bought a plane ticket to Iceland: $1,200.00 Hotel Room with fellow EVE Pilots: $300.00 Titcekt to Fan Fest: $125.00 Get Screamed at by Alex Gianturd infront of Thousand of fellow EVE pilots.......... .
Not sure why you think the wis was at fanfest or that he's ever met the mittani either ingame or out |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:24:00 -
[752] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:To be honest, this does not surprise me at all. You had a few drinks and the real you bled through. This guy took time off from work, bought a plane ticket to Iceland, with all sorts of exectations of fun and celebration to be had with his fellow EVE pilots.... Instead he left having been made fun of by you infront of thousands of people streamed around the world. Thats an awesome memory to carry around with you for life...... Bought a plane ticket to Iceland: $1,200.00 Hotel Room with fellow EVE Pilots: $300.00 Titcekt to Fan Fest: $125.00 Get Screamed at by Alex Gianturd infront of Thousand of fellow EVE pilots.......... .
The Wis wasn't at fanfest. |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:24:00 -
[753] - Quote
Muestereate wrote: People today spend less and less time "in " the disease" A question often asked today is whether alcohol use has negative consequences for you or those around you. If it does stop, If you can't stop, call AA. What kind of person keeps doing stuff over and over that hurts themselves in some way shape or form?
Actually, AA has an abhorrent success rate: 3-5%! It actually has a success rate so low that one is tempted to think maybe it HINDERS recovery. Random selection of people that just decide on their own to stop the bullshit should do better than AA does.
This shouldn't really surprise anyone. It's an ad-hoc, religiously "revealed" recovery program without one shred of scientific influence. Seriously. One dude decided his world was being ruined by alcohol and prayed for a path to recovery...the 12 step program is it. It works as well as one would expect from such. His name was Bill and that's where the "friend of Bill" expression comes from.
If you really have a problem that you need to solve, be it with substance abuse or any other health concern...go seek help from people who've been trained to help you. See a doctor and/or psychologist. Don't go to a church wrapped up as a "recovery program".
I'm sorry. This thread has nothing to do with AA except for these assholes who think they can diagnose someone with alcoholism over a ******* youtube video. That **** just really gets to me. Perhaps one could study the apparent correlation between "recovering alcoholic" and "self-important wanker" and see if there's some sort of causal relationship there. |
Ninevite
Shiva Initiative Mercenaries
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:24:00 -
[754] - Quote
Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3493
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:24:00 -
[755] - Quote
Shepard Book wrote:I doubt I am the only one here with multiple accounts.
There's a difference between posting on the forums with alts and using multiple accounts to vote in the CSM elections.
You're obviously p dumb since you post on an alt so I wouldn't expect you to understand v0v "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:25:00 -
[756] - Quote
I say disband goons and make them spend another 6 months on SOMETHINGAWFUL for 6 months before reactivating accounts. |
Selinate
716
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:25:00 -
[757] - Quote
You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs a corp that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... |
Joker Deville
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:26:00 -
[758] - Quote
So I was sent here by some guy in my corp. Apparently our (alliance) CEO is a bully?
So The Mittani is like that Zimmerman guy in the news and this suicidal kid is the black boy everyone claims is the victim?
We all know deep inside he deserved to get shot. No black or brown man in the united states should wear hoodies! It was Trayvon's fault.
Free Zimmerman, and Free The Mittani!
|
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:26:00 -
[759] - Quote
Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage
Everything is immensely more fun with alcohol. You think you can be good at internet spaceships without alcohol? |
Lakshata Chawla
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:26:00 -
[760] - Quote
While I dislike your alliance, and you stepping down would be beneficial to me, I accept your apology. |
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L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:26:00 -
[761] - Quote
The best part about this thread is all the people equating sticks and stones to a mortal sin when this game has always been about theft, subterfuge, murder, destruction, and all sorts of other wonderful terms that make the original event pale in comparison.
Just what game have all of you been playing all this time? Do you even have time to get anything done, or are you just filing petitions the whole time you're online?
To be surprised that someone does something against the grain is just.... well.... I can't think of a better word than stupid. I tried, I really did! |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:27:00 -
[762] - Quote
Quote:
But seriously, I saw your brothel role-playing website before you took it down under the goonrush when we started linking it on the forums. You can complain about the creepy behaviour, but not the facts used in the smearing :)
space prostitute
So why would I set my moral compass by what morally bankrupt people like you say?
I mean really. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:27:00 -
[763] - Quote
L00B wrote:The best part about this thread is all the people equating sticks and stones to a mortal sin when this game has always been about theft, subterfuge, murder, destruction, and all sorts of other wonderful terms that make the original event pale in comparison.
Just what game have all of you been playing all this time? Do you even have time to get anything done, or are you just filing petitions the whole time you're online?
To be surprised that someone does something against the grain is just.... well.... I can't think of a better word than stupid. I tried, I really did!
What?! Rationality in this thread? Get outt |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1479
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:28:00 -
[764] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
I have a funny story about the time chief of goon intelligence sent that exact accusation to one of my clients at a London telecoms company. Was pretty funny explaining how seriously a clan of internet spaceship warriors took PR and RL character assassination in the universe of new eden over coffee and donuts that morning. Even more ironically the guy in charge of "good intel" back then was one Mittani. What a coincidence!
(PS when goons are desperate they tell lots of lies about people.)
Care to provide proof?
Can show you email that arrived during the 2008 CSM 1 election campaign that was printed out by my project manager of the time. It comes from a random hotmail account that could be anyone but references my name, links to a website that purports to be owned by me but isn't, and claims I'm working as a cyber postitute and will bring disrepute to any company I work for.
Back then I listed my contract details on a public website where the contact details of my client were presumably lifted from. The content of the mail references a campaign the goons were actively engaged on (character assassination during CSM 1) and coincided with Darius's bid for CSM chair and Mittani as Goon Fleet Intellience.
I considered at the time it was an attempt to gain CSM electoral advantage by trying to bully me via the rl approach to my employers and effort to damage a professional reputation.
Can I prove it came from Mittani ? Nope. Anyone can make up a hotmail account. Was it a strange coincidence that various goon posters were referencing the website purported to be mine on the eve online harrassment campaign as is linked in the email ... sure it is. Are goons today still going on about the same thing - yep, whenever they start losing an argument mainly.
Now, I didn't really care that much - I'm pretty thick skinned and my clients thought it was hilarious. But I can see how this would count as out of game harrassment and a form of bullying to some. At he time I discussed it with CCP but they obviously had nothing to work on either - anonymous emails are anonymous.
But it does show how far *somebody* is prepared to go inside goonswarm.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:28:00 -
[765] - Quote
Being drunk is simply too convenient of an excuse, isn't it? This is nothing you can simply smooth over with a little PR apology. This is a person's life we are talking about! You are a sick man, Mittani! |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
43
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:28:00 -
[766] - Quote
Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that...
He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:28:00 -
[767] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:
But seriously, I saw your brothel role-playing website before you took it down under the goonrush when we started linking it on the forums. You can complain about the creepy behaviour, but not the facts used in the smearing :)
space prostitute
So why would I set my moral compass by what morally bankrupt people like you say? I mean really.
What makes you more moral then me? I get my jollies off by making people cry on the internet, and you roleplay the debasement of women. Who is the real bad guy... |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:28:00 -
[768] - Quote
Joker Deville wrote:So I was sent here by some guy in my corp. Apparently our (alliance) CEO is a bully?
So The Mittani is like that Zimmerman guy in the news and this suicidal kid is the black boy everyone claims is the victim?
We all know deep inside he deserved to get shot. No black or brown man in the united states should wear hoodies! It was Trayvon's fault.
Free Zimmerman, and Free The Mittani!
not empty quoting this |
Rutherford Rainman
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:29:00 -
[769] - Quote
Joker Deville wrote:So I was sent here by some guy in my corp. Apparently our (alliance) CEO is a bully?
So The Mittani is like that Zimmerman guy in the news and this suicidal kid is the black boy everyone claims is the victim?
We all know deep inside he deserved to get shot. No black or brown man in the united states should wear hoodies! It was Trayvon's fault.
Free Zimmerman, and Free The Mittani!
Great to see what kind of people the goons employ, really makes me feel good about The Mittani's apology.
|
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:29:00 -
[770] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:So why would I set my moral compass by what morally bankrupt people like you say?
I mean really.
The only thing a moral compass will lead you to in Eve is disappointment and loss. |
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Lynx Sawpaw
Black Lance
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:29:00 -
[771] - Quote
This whole incident is disgusting.
First off. CCP, I realize you want fanfest to be a big party and you want everyone to have fun, but when you are doing something serious like a live broadcast, have some tact and provide the alcohol AFTER the broadcast. An incident like this was bound to happen sooner or later if you let drunk assholes represent you on a broadcast watched by thousands of people. It is incidents like this that are why you want to project an image of professionalism.
Secondly. Alex Gianturco, Your apology was heartfelt up until the very end. The fact that you added that slide in before the alcohol shows that you wanted to be a shittheel, as you so eloquently put it, before the alcohol. You said yourself that you as a person are not a villain, yet before the liquor turned you into a damned fool, you started digging your own grave by making that slide, and not as the mittani, internet spaceship villain extraordinaire, but as sober Alex Gianturco who should have NO excuse. What you did, in some states, is a criminally punishable offense and you did this on a live broadcast, which provides more than enough evidence and context. This is a serious matter, god forbid if that poor guy had gone and hurt himself, not only would you have that on your conscience, but you would have the long **** of the law ******* you hard.
If you truly want to take ownership of your mistakes then you can start by stepping down from CSM, tell your alliance members to stop defending an act you have publicly condoned and apologized for, and stop your alliance from attacking protesters in jita. Saying sorry is something you do when you don't pull out soon enough, when you **** up this bad, action is required.
Lastly, back to CCP, where the **** is your response to this? What is there to think about or consider? Is there any other option for you than to publicly condone this abhorrent jackass of a person? Will you continue to keep him at your side? You should have kicked him from fanfest right then and there for making such a comment. How do you feel knowing that there are thousands of players defending him? Will you let that temper your response? |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:29:00 -
[772] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:Rutherford Rainman wrote:Since when are people allowed to just say "sorry" and walk away? Actions have consequences, even while drunk. Someone obviously doesn't like the sandbox.
This wasn't in the sandbox, this was at a massive PR event organised by our game's developer. It's an embarassment to the EVE community, many of whom elected Mittens for reasons totally separate to his goon-ness.
Time for him to resign from the CSM, for the good of the game. What CCP do to the player as a meritable punishment for something this crass, I donno, but if he's banned, so be it.
|
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:29:00 -
[773] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:You're a better man than just another dog with a bunch of mad dogs beating down the cat. It's not a Mittens take down any more right now just in case you haven't noticed, it's Alex their target, this is what just became disgusting in this thread. I really hope you are a better man than that, if not, then I just made a fool of my self. I am personally insulted that monkey boy expects me to take his less than two hundred dollar "gift" seriously. It's like watching a monkey throw BLEEP at you, it gets old in the first second and goes down hill from there. Confirming mad status.
So skippy, you think less than two hundred dollars is real money?
Are you homeless? |
Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:29:00 -
[774] - Quote
Joker Deville wrote:So I was sent here by some guy in my corp. Apparently our (alliance) CEO is a bully?
So The Mittani is like that Zimmerman guy in the news and this suicidal kid is the black boy everyone claims is the victim?
We all know deep inside he deserved to get shot. No black or brown man in the united states should wear hoodies! It was Trayvon's fault.
Free Zimmerman, and Free The Mittani!
EVERYONE STAY CALM |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
34
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:29:00 -
[775] - Quote
Alex should find this familiar...
Exhibit A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE&feature=youtu.be&t=1h11m55s
~ 49,000 ~ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3502
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:30:00 -
[776] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:I say disband goons and make them spend another 6 months on SOMETHINGAWFUL for 6 months before reactivating accounts.
typical publord nonsense "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
231
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:31:00 -
[777] - Quote
L00B wrote:The best part about this thread is all the people equating sticks and stones to a mortal sin when this game has always been about theft, subterfuge, murder, destruction, and all sorts of other wonderful terms that make the original event pale in comparison.
Just what game have all of you been playing all this time? Do you even have time to get anything done, or are you just filing petitions the whole time you're online?
To be surprised that someone does something against the grain is just.... well.... I can't think of a better word than stupid. I tried, I really did!
You miss the part where this was not part of the game.
|
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:31:00 -
[778] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:I say disband goons and make them spend another 6 months on SOMETHINGAWFUL for 6 months before reactivating accounts. signed |
Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:31:00 -
[779] - Quote
Quote:...... well Krix there are only three things that cause blackouts, a doctor looks for brain trauma like a baseball bat to the head. Schizophrenia or alcoholism.
People today spend less and less time "in " the disease" A question often asked today is whether alcohol use has negative consequences for you or those around you. If it does stop, If you can't stop, call AA. What kind of person keeps doing stuff over and over that hurts themselves in some way shape or form?
Quote:I personally have a drink once or twice a year. There has been a time or two when I went far enough to not remember every comment I made during the evening precisely the next day. According to your definition I'm having black outs and am an alcoholic. I guess it's time to quit my job at the university and turn myself in to rehab.
I didn't really define blackout, you did. I gave probable diagnosis. Blackout implies a complete memory loss, duration and recovery not really predictable.
|
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
734
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:31:00 -
[780] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage Everything is immensely more fun with alcohol. You think you can be good at internet spaceships without alcohol?
Alcohol is great fun indeed.
But abusing your position by encouraging people to encourage one person in particular to kill themself for real, is NOT fun. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
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Selinate
719
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:31:00 -
[781] - Quote
My earlier response is just being further justified by your (Mittens') idiot minions' trolling, hate speech, and dribbling in this thread too..... |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:32:00 -
[782] - Quote
Atomic Virulent wrote:I say disband goons and make them spend another 6 months on SOMETHINGAWFUL for 6 months before reactivating accounts.
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3502
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:32:00 -
[783] - Quote
Lynx Sawpaw wrote:If you truly want to take ownership of your mistakes then you can start by stepping down from CSM, tell your alliance members to stop defending an act you have publicly condoned and apologized for, and stop your alliance from attacking protesters in jita. Saying sorry is something you do when you don't pull out soon enough, when you **** up this bad, action is required.
Lastly, back to CCP, where the **** is your response to this? What is there to think about or consider? Is there any other option for you than to publicly condone this abhorrent jackass of a person? Will you continue to keep him at your side? You should have kicked him from fanfest right then and there for making such a comment. How do you feel knowing that there are thousands of players defending him? Will you let that temper your response?
CCP is not going to disenfranchise the 10,000+ accounts that voted for him. Anybody sensible knows that will not happen. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ordais
DARK ORCHESTRA
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:33:00 -
[784] - Quote
Well, so as you always said, politics is a game and you have to know how to play it. If you don't compromise, you know nothing about it.
And thats what you are doing now. You are not sorry....you may are angry at yourself for exposing yourself in public, and rightfully so. You caused a shitstorm only yourself are to blame for, and that hurts your EGO as you have thought you more intelligent that that. Alcohol is no excuse, you wern't THAT wasted...so don't play the "i don't remember card"...
Do you have to quit over this? I don't really care. CCP will determine that, i trust them to do what is in THEIR best interest, you should know something about that right? Thats a politicians life, sometimes you get changed like dirty laundry. And this time you got dirty....
As for your "but in RL i'm not that way" excuse, it may be so, it may not be so. Why should we care? You decide HOW you want to be seen in EvE, and thats the "The Mittani" character...most of us don't have the time nor interest in distinguishing what you really think and want you just say because it floats your boat today.
So...ok for the apology, but we care as much as goons cared for this guy...and till yesterday your trolled as hard about this as other goons ON the forum. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
231
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:33:00 -
[785] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Jonatan Reed wrote:Rutherford Rainman wrote:Since when are people allowed to just say "sorry" and walk away? Actions have consequences, even while drunk. Someone obviously doesn't like the sandbox. This wasn't in the sandbox, this was at a massive PR event organised by our game's developer. It's an embarassment to the EVE community, many of whom elected Mittens for reasons totally separate to his goon-ness. Time for him to resign from the CSM, for the good of the game. What CCP do to the player as a meritable punishment for something this crass, I donno, but if he's banned, so be it.
They keep trying to play this off as part of the in game.
This was not in game its not OK. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
27
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:33:00 -
[786] - Quote
Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:33:00 -
[787] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:So why would I set my moral compass by what morally bankrupt people like you say?
I mean really. The only thing a moral compass will lead you to in Eve is disappointment and loss.
Oh I get it, it's very clever.
How's that working out for you? |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:34:00 -
[788] - Quote
Reading through this thread made me realize that FA's executor corp is named Clan Shadow Wolf, and that's so mindblowingly pubbie it makes me want to kill myself.
~coddle me~ |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
393
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:34:00 -
[789] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
You should step down before they remove you so that when its all said and done you can look back and say you did the right thing. I have heard the rumor that you are a lawyer, but even if (though) you aren't you should realize that CCP's assets will be seizeable if anyone presses charges.
As you said yourself, there is no excuse for it. Every minute you continue to serve on the CSM contradicts that statement, as you are excusing yourself.
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:34:00 -
[790] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
You miss the part where this was not part of the game.
Right, the Council for Stellar Management is about the REAL SPACE instead.
Your stupid is hanging out. Please secure it. |
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XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:34:00 -
[791] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.
if you would post from your main someone might take you seriously. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
133
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:34:00 -
[792] - Quote
Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage
The alliance panel has always been a bit ...... comedic. I think CCP wants at least some of the panelists to be tipsy for the entertainment value. The alliance panel is more for the audience in the hall (most of whom are probably also at some level of intoxication). The serious business stuff is done during the day when people are still sober(ish)
|
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
46
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:34:00 -
[793] - Quote
Not being able to differentiate between what is real and what is not .. pretty sure it is a symptom of something or other
Normally I would say that apologizing proves that you are not a raging socio-path, but then you are an educated person (lawyer no less if I am not mistaken!) so you may still be and simply see the apology as advantageous/strategic.
PS: Apologizing is not enough for lots of people as the line you crossed is so well marked that the action you performed is against real world laws in a lot of civilized societies .. just sayin' |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:34:00 -
[794] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.
Quote: There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
what. |
DirtyDirty88
The Institution. Establishment.
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:35:00 -
[795] - Quote
"One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you..." |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3502
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:35:00 -
[796] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:You should step down before they remove you so that when its all said and done you can look back and say you did the right thing. I have heard the rumor that you are a lawyer, but even if (though) you aren't you should realize that CCP's assets will be seizeable if anyone presses charges.
As you said yourself, there is no excuse for it. Every minute you continue to serve on the CSM contradicts that statement, as you are excusing yourself.
look at this internet lawyer
so adorable "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Aryndel Samson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:35:00 -
[797] - Quote
Joker Deville wrote:So I was sent here by some guy in my corp. Apparently our (alliance) CEO is a bully?
So The Mittani is like that Zimmerman guy in the news and this suicidal kid is the black boy everyone claims is the victim?
We all know deep inside he deserved to get shot. No black or brown man in the united states should wear hoodies! It was Trayvon's fault.
Free Zimmerman, and Free The Mittani!
|
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:36:00 -
[798] - Quote
Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... You are confusing our roleplaying alliance with who we are as real people. |
Nambr1
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:36:00 -
[799] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.
good point |
Dragunov Vio
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:36:00 -
[800] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.
he doesn't use it for defense, he just acknowledges that he was at the time, and states that it mitigates his position mildly, re-read op please.
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Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:36:00 -
[801] - Quote
Andski wrote:Shepard Book wrote:I doubt I am the only one here with multiple accounts.
There's a difference between posting on the forums with alts and using multiple accounts to vote in the CSM elections. You're obviously p dumb since you post on an alt so I wouldn't expect you to understand v0v
Dumb is the best you can do? Really? Not everyone likes to pull their organizations into their own opinions. It is not a hard concept to think of why it does not matter what you post seeing how you are from your Alliance.
Anyways, Back to the person who ran things for you... I wonder what CCP will do. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:36:00 -
[802] - Quote
Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:37:00 -
[803] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve. Quote: There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
what.
Pubbie grey matter retention is crap. They cannot discern between our excuses and his so the last positive thing they heard about him or the situation floats to the top and they spew it as if it came from his own mouth. |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:37:00 -
[804] - Quote
Andski wrote:Lynx Sawpaw wrote:If you truly want to take ownership of your mistakes then you can start by stepping down from CSM, tell your alliance members to stop defending an act you have publicly condoned and apologized for, and stop your alliance from attacking protesters in jita. Saying sorry is something you do when you don't pull out soon enough, when you **** up this bad, action is required.
Lastly, back to CCP, where the **** is your response to this? What is there to think about or consider? Is there any other option for you than to publicly condone this abhorrent jackass of a person? Will you continue to keep him at your side? You should have kicked him from fanfest right then and there for making such a comment. How do you feel knowing that there are thousands of players defending him? Will you let that temper your response? CCP is not going to disenfranchise the 10,000+ accounts that voted for him. Anybody sensible knows that will not happen. You mean the 10,000+ accounts that he ordered / commanded to vote for him. Democracy at its finest. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:37:00 -
[805] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK.
Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you? |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:37:00 -
[806] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage Everything is immensely more fun with alcohol. You think you can be good at internet spaceships without alcohol?
You have clearly never met ninevite. Hes about as srs bsns as it gets (gotta give him props though, nulli secunda banned their alliance from engaging his ishkur hehe)
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:37:00 -
[807] - Quote
Crusader: Sir, SIR!!! You need to come with me and press charges immediately. You have been VICTIMIZED!
Confused: I have?
Crusader: Yes indeed. A few days ago that man over there was overheard by many people saying "If you want to help Confused end it all go talk to him, and take your cards".
Confused: Huh? Oh yeah. I wasn't aware he said it until he came up to me this morning and apologized for what he had said. Then he gave me a pile of money to make up for it. It confused the hell out of me, but okay... I'll take his money. See, we were playing poker a few years ago and after I lost my shirt I said "Remind me to shoot myself the next time I sit in on a poker game when I'm broke." No big deal really, I had forgotten all about it.
Crusader: Totally irrelevant. He was inciting people to cause you to commit suicide. We must take action NOW!
Confused: Uh, but I had any intention of...
Crusader: Irrelevant! The man must pay for his crime.
Confused: But I'm fine...
Crusader: Irrelevant!!
Confused: I really think he was just jok...
Crusader: Irrelevant!!!
Confused: Who the hell are you anyway?
Crusader: Irrelevant!!!!
Confused: Could you just leave me alone now please? Your ranting is starting to draw a crowd, and you're stressing me out.
Crusader: No! Justice must be served for this crime against you.
Confused: (Muttering) Now where did I leave that gun... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Selinate
722
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:37:00 -
[808] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... You are confusing our roleplaying alliance with who we are as real people.
Oh really? Look at the post from someone in your corp right above yours.
Oh, I'm sorry, that's someone from the goons empty quoting that original post from someone else in the goons. Empty quoting usually means they just want to restate what they quoted, right?
Idiots. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:38:00 -
[809] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
The alliance panel has always been a bit ...... comedic. I think CCP wants at least some of the panelists to be tipsy for the entertainment value. The alliance panel is more for the audience in the hall (most of whom are probably also at some level of intoxication). The serious business stuff is done during the day when people are still sober(ish)
This man speaks the truth. If you don't think CCP hasn't been encouraging this all the while, you haven't been paying attention at all. I mean, they sponsor a goddamn PUBCRAWL.
Ya'll have no one to blame but the company that has decided this is what they want to portray. So take it out on them, unsub, and go play something more family friendly so you don't get your widdle fewings hurt. |
Selinate
722
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:38:00 -
[810] - Quote
Aryndel Samson wrote:Joker Deville wrote:So I was sent here by some guy in my corp. Apparently our (alliance) CEO is a bully?
So The Mittani is like that Zimmerman guy in the news and this suicidal kid is the black boy everyone claims is the victim?
We all know deep inside he deserved to get shot. No black or brown man in the united states should wear hoodies! It was Trayvon's fault.
Free Zimmerman, and Free The Mittani!
This filth really needs to be removed from the forums. |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:39:00 -
[811] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK. Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you?
You're right, he should obviously sign over his house too.
Maybe let the dude come over and bang his wife. |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
736
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:39:00 -
[812] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Sorry 'mittens' but no. You blaming drinking for what you did doesn't fly. As a former lawyer how violently would you rip that defense apart? You as a person crossed a line and playing the drunk card is even lower. If your 'persona' and the 'real you' blend so easily, you can't be acceptable to the community you supposedly serve.
The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1269
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:40:00 -
[813] - Quote
Muestereate wrote:Quote:...... well Krix there are only three things that cause blackouts, a doctor looks for brain trauma like a baseball bat to the head. Schizophrenia or alcoholism.
People today spend less and less time "in " the disease" A question often asked today is whether alcohol use has negative consequences for you or those around you. If it does stop, If you can't stop, call AA. What kind of person keeps doing stuff over and over that hurts themselves in some way shape or form? Quote:I personally have a drink once or twice a year. There has been a time or two when I went far enough to not remember every comment I made during the evening precisely the next day. According to your definition I'm having black outs and am an alcoholic. I guess it's time to quit my job at the university and turn myself in to rehab. I didn't really define blackout, you did. I gave probable diagnosis. Blackout implies a complete memory loss, duration and recovery not really predictable.
And yet you insinuate that the Mittani had a blackout, indeed implied that he had a history of blackouts.
Nice try, but no. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:40:00 -
[814] - Quote
notice people who are taking the hard stance on this issue are either high sec pubbies or people who are getting thier pimp mobiles nerfed |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
43
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:41:00 -
[815] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK. Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you?
It's an indicator that he's serious about his apology, not just trolling or whatever, and since the victim is perfectly fine he just got 10 bil without losing anything (apart from some mackinaws a few months ago) He wouldn't have sent the isk if he was just "screwing with people".
As for how morally bankrupt I am, I'm in charge of the Guiding hand social club, so lots ! |
Ordais
DARK ORCHESTRA
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:41:00 -
[816] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote: You are confusing our roleplaying alliance with who we are as real people.
If you behave like a jerk ALL THE TIME, don't complain about beeing seen as a JERK. Don't come complaining that at home you are a nice guy. Nobody cares. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:41:00 -
[817] - Quote
Lynx Sawpaw wrote: This whole incident is disgusting.
you started digging your own grave by making that slide, and not as the mittani, internet spaceship villain extraordinaire, but as sober Alex Gianturco who should have NO excuse.
Correct, on other forums his wife was saying she was trying to get him to take it out and said it was a bad idea. Hindsight, funny is not so funny. He says he is not a bad person, but goon mob mentality, cannot just switch. If it seemed funny in eve, so until it seriously gets critiqued, it would remain funny. Now hindsight is 20/20
Lynx Sawpaw wrote: Lastly, back to CCP, where the **** is your response to this?
We must remember, this is an EULA issue. As such, they would not be able to make any statements about it until investigation was done. They have made the media reports stating as such, seen in other sites. So them not responding, well, that is a legal issue. Especially considering the profile of the case.
People also wondered about the mentioned player? The login news has the article up and mentions the player's name. Personal experience they ask permission to use name or reference in any way before putting up in the correspondence. Can only assume the player is still active in that case since they did give his name, would have had to have his permission? |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:41:00 -
[818] - Quote
The fact is there is no making up for what mittani did, sending a suicidal person billions of isk will not do him any good if he kills himself over what mittani told him. I can't believe mittani thinks this is something he can smooth away with a smug PR apology. Mittani, there is no good excuse for what you have done. |
Joker Deville
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:42:00 -
[819] - Quote
Rutherford Rainman wrote:Joker Deville wrote:So I was sent here by some guy in my corp. Apparently our (alliance) CEO is a bully?
So The Mittani is like that Zimmerman guy in the news and this suicidal kid is the black boy everyone claims is the victim?
We all know deep inside he deserved to get shot. No black or brown man in the united states should wear hoodies! It was Trayvon's fault.
Free Zimmerman, and Free The Mittani!
Great to see what kind of people the goons employ, really makes me feel good about The Mittani's apology.
Protests Erupt Across New Eden |
Davor
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:42:00 -
[820] - Quote
BEEP BEEP I'm a truck! |
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Selinate
722
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:42:00 -
[821] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK. Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you? Your right, he should obviously sign over his house too. Maybe let the dude come over and bang his wife.
No, he should step down from his position of power in order to solidify his intentions. 10 bil from a leader of an alliance as large and prevalent as the goons? Hardly a gesture. |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:42:00 -
[822] - Quote
Doesn't "The Real You" come out when you are drunk?
LOL
Here's how to translate the apology from propaganda bullshit to english... Ahem:
"Disregard all of my previous sociopathic, sadistic and tyrannical behavior that you are all so keenly aware of. hic! I'm... Sorry? I guess? hic! Please, please don't read any of my Sins of a Solar Spy articles where I consistently comment on how EvE really is just an extension of our lives. hic!..... That is all. Bloo bloo bloo."
~ 49,000 ~
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Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
736
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:42:00 -
[823] - Quote
Ustrello wrote:notice people who are taking the hard stance on this issue are either high sec pubbies or people who are getting their pimp mobiles nerfed
Notice how easily it could have swung the other way and ended witht he guy dead by his own hand because he was told by a tonne of people to do so? The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
191
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:42:00 -
[824] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Wow, you really can't distinguish between in-game and real life, even now. Let me try to explain this to you:
Real life player/person == CAN commit suicide in REAL LIFE Toon/character/Macinaw pilot == Pixels. In-game. Can only biomass.
You did not encourage a toon to biomass. You asked a bunch of people to encourage a REAL LIFE person to commit REAL LIFE suicide.
And now, instead of expressing concern for the PLAYER, you focus on his in-game activity with a very thin veneer of masked contempt. He's not an Eve player to you and certainly not a real person. He's a miner. A Macinaw pilot. Less than. A "pubbie."
A normal person in this situation would at least try to contact this guy and apologize privately and personally. I'd suggest Skype (you have a chan don't you?) Maybe you could both sign a NDA. But you're not a normal person, are you? You're The Mittani, king of the goons, CSM chairman, Mr. "deal with it"...admitted sadist. Thanks for the new black eye you've given my favorite game, Mr. Chairman.
And reversing yourself now saying. "I am not a sadist?" How do you reconcile that with bragging about being a sadist in your own campaign thread? You said, quote:
i sling mud, i scam supercaps, and i'm a sadist, this isn't new or particularly interesting
So was that roleplaying, in your CSM campaign thread? Or was that the real Alex, like the guy with the mic?
And if you're going to do a complete 180 on the whole "I'm a sadist, deal with it" tip, how can anyone trust that any part of your apology is sincere?
And before anyone says that was in-game, you should read the convo in its entirety in his thread or in convo format here. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:42:00 -
[825] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Aryndel Samson wrote:Joker Deville wrote:So I was sent here by some guy in my corp. Apparently our (alliance) CEO is a bully?
So The Mittani is like that Zimmerman guy in the news and this suicidal kid is the black boy everyone claims is the victim?
We all know deep inside he deserved to get shot. No black or brown man in the united states should wear hoodies! It was Trayvon's fault.
Free Zimmerman, and Free The Mittani!
This filth really needs to be removed from the forums.
butthurt pubbie is butthurt. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:43:00 -
[826] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook.
Oh boy, how to pick apart this one.
1) He never used being drunk as an excuse for his actions, please re-read his apology in full. He admitted responsibility despite his intoxication at the time.
2) He did not convince anybody to commit suicide. The guy is perfectly alive and well (and now richer 10.7bn ISK).
3) NCdot. I'm sure you're not biased against Mittani in any way, shape, or form, and have no reason to push to have him removed from CSM chair. (Also, how's your Titan fleet doing? Let me know when you want to hand over more Gyrobus killmails) |
London
Quantum Cats Syndicate
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:43:00 -
[827] - Quote
While I can respect your apology toward this person and the community, this is somewhat contrary to what you said on the EVE Fly Reckless podcast a few months ago. You stated that you don't "role-play" in EVE and that the character you portray is essentially who you are in real life. :/
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Zanmaru
Broski North Black Legion.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:43:00 -
[828] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Crusader: Sir, SIR!!! You need to come with me and press charges immediately. You have been VICTIMIZED!
Confused: I have?
Crusader: Yes indeed. A few days ago that man over there was overheard by many people saying "If you want to help Confused end it all go talk to him, and take your cards".
Confused: Huh? Oh yeah. I wasn't aware he said it until he came up to me this morning and apologized for what he had said. Then he gave me a pile of money to make up for it. It confused the hell out of me, but okay... I'll take his money. See, we were playing poker a few years ago and after I lost my shirt I said "Remind me to shoot myself the next time I sit in on a poker game when I'm broke." No big deal really, I had forgotten all about it.
Crusader: Totally irrelevant. He was inciting people to cause you to commit suicide. We must take action NOW!
Confused: Uh, but I had any intention of...
Crusader: Irrelevant! The man must pay for his crime.
Confused: But I'm fine...
Crusader: Irrelevant!!
Confused: I really think he was just jok...
Crusader: Irrelevant!!!
Confused: Who the hell are you anyway?
Crusader: Irrelevant!!!!
Confused: Could you just leave me alone now please? Your ranting is starting to draw a crowd, and you're stressing me out.
Crusader: No! Justice must be served for this crime against you.
Confused: (Muttering) Now where did I leave that gun...
That's cool. Has the guy actually posted some sort of response, or is this all pointless rhetoric? |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:43:00 -
[829] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook. What was smug about it? It seems pretty genuine to me. I've pretty much dropped all trolling in this thread because the kneejerking is pretty epic. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1192
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:43:00 -
[830] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though.
You absolutely do not have to fall on this sword unless CCP demands it.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Lynx Sawpaw
Black Lance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:43:00 -
[831] - Quote
Andski wrote: CCP is not going to disenfranchise the 10,000+ accounts that voted for him. Anybody sensible knows that will not happen.
CCP doesn't have to, his actions did it for them. |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:45:00 -
[832] - Quote
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK. Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you? It's an indicator that he's at least partially serious in his apology, not just trolling or whatever, and since the victim is perfectly fine he just got 10 bil without losing anything (apart from some mackinaws a few months ago)
And if he killed himself then what would your opinion be? |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
489
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:45:00 -
[833] - Quote
Ustrello wrote:notice people who are taking the hard stance on this issue are either high sec pubbies or people who are getting their pimp mobiles nerfed ...and people who like popcorn.
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Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:45:00 -
[834] - Quote
Princess Nana wrote: You mean the 10,000+ accounts that he ordered / commanded to vote for him. Democracy at its finest.
You just keep on thinking that. Its not like he has any way to actually track who voted for him. Nobody in the CFC was ordered to vote for any specific candidate. Encouraged to vote is different than ordered to vote. Encouraging people to vote for you is called campaigning.
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:45:00 -
[835] - Quote
"anti-Goonswarm trolls"
Sooooo you mean everyone who isn't in or blue to Goons?
~ 49,000 ~ |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:46:00 -
[836] - Quote
A wise man once said, Sticks and Stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. Apparently no one listens to wise old men. |
Candente
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:46:00 -
[837] - Quote
Clearly, the line has been crossed and no amount of "I don't remember what I said and I'm truly sorry" will fix the negative PR that has been brought to CSM, CCP, Eve Online, and most importantly, Eve players as a whole. Nothing short of resign from the CSM or being removed by CCP, that is.
Let me say that again since it's important: The Mittani's behavior in the fanfest is the antithesis of what CSM council member should stand for. The shame is not only on Mittani's voters, but in a degree, all of active Eve players due to the number of votes he received. Great power... or popularity, rather, comes with great responsibility. Since a revote doesn't look realistic, It's time for the Mittani to look for a solution with CCP, such as appoint a successor, who isn't a sociopath that announce his or her interest of rallying harassment to force another Eve player to suicide in real life. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:46:00 -
[838] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Ustrello wrote:notice people who are taking the hard stance on this issue are either high sec pubbies or people who are getting their pimp mobiles nerfed Notice how easily it could have swung the other way and ended witht he guy dead by his own hand because he was told by a tonne of people to do so?
Personally as a person who went through a depression/suicidal phase while I sympathize with him greatly at the other time I am disgusted by him |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
397
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:46:00 -
[839] - Quote
Andski wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:You should step down before they remove you so that when its all said and done you can look back and say you did the right thing. I have heard the rumor that you are a lawyer, but even if (though) you aren't you should realize that CCP's assets will be seizeable if anyone presses charges.
As you said yourself, there is no excuse for it. Every minute you continue to serve on the CSM contradicts that statement, as you are excusing yourself.
look at this internet lawyer so adorable
All the slots for internet terrorist were taken. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Zanmaru
Broski North Black Legion.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:46:00 -
[840] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though. You absolutely do not have to fall on this sword unless CCP demands it. -Liang
Jump on the sword while you can, Mit. CCP wont be as gentle.
Couldn't resist. |
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
388
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:47:00 -
[841] - Quote
You know, I've made my jabs at Mitanni, but I've been thinking. Maybe we should give the guy a little bit of a break. He's really only human, right? We humans sometimes screw up.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3506
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:47:00 -
[842] - Quote
Lynx Sawpaw wrote:Andski wrote: CCP is not going to disenfranchise the 10,000+ accounts that voted for him. Anybody sensible knows that will not happen.
CCP doesn't have to, his actions did it for them.
nah "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
648
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:47:00 -
[843] - Quote
You. You there.
Cipher something. Yeah you.
Stop posting. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
951
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:48:00 -
[844] - Quote
I will not feel represented by another CSM than the one elected legally.
What Mitanni said in Alliance presentation talked for it self, he presented his excuses thing is done.
WTF THIS STUFF HAS A RATS ASS TO DO WITH CSM??? -you bunch of paranoid hypocrites. |
Bane Necran
160
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:48:00 -
[845] - Quote
It just keeps going, and going.
Wonder if we'll get a statement from CCP tomorrow. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:48:00 -
[846] - Quote
Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK. Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you? Your right, he should obviously sign over his house too. Maybe let the dude come over and bang his wife. No, he should step down from his position of power in order to solidify his intentions. 10 bil from a leader of an alliance as large and prevalent as the goons? Hardly a gesture.
How would this do anything but disenfranchise 10,000 people who voted for him. Oh wait it wouldn't. But then this isn't really about telling people to harass someone who is perfectly ok, not actively killing themselves, and 10bil richer.
I mean the timing on this whole thing is comical.
Lets drop the bullshit pretense about him being a bad goonie man who you don't like and get down to the nitty gritty: No one was harmed. Someone came out richer.
I doubt a single person who voted for him is protesting, and it seems to me that the loudest complainers are the people who voted against him. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:49:00 -
[847] - Quote
There is a saying that "The real you comes out while you are drinking". If so, is this what you have been like this whole time, Mittani? You may think it is funny to make fun of suicidal people, mittens, but I assure you people's lives are not a joke. I also cannot believe the amount of people on this forum defending mitten's horrendous behavior. |
Aryndel Samson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:50:00 -
[848] - Quote
Selinate wrote:
This filth really needs to be removed from the forums.
You are right they should remove your posting. I agree. |
Dalketh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:51:00 -
[849] - Quote
Hard to believe this apology (drunk excuse - lame) when your earlier comments in the forums are totally opposite dude. You think you are good at PR campaigns but next time might not want to use your usual ******* style on multiple posts before trying to appear the not understood victim. Sheesh. Not everyone are the stupid lemmings you think they are. You have shown what and who you are. |
LOL56
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:51:00 -
[850] - Quote
Don't loving fall on your sward unless the other CSMs think its a good idea. Form the outside you seem to be a pretty impotent guy for getting CCP to get the right stuff done. We know your a jurk, but your our jurk and you loving useful. |
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Anya Klibor
Error-404
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:51:00 -
[851] - Quote
How many of you think that if we did this that we wouldn't be looking at a week-long suspension from the game, care of CCP? |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:51:00 -
[852] - Quote
Candente wrote:Clearly, the line has been crossed and no amount of "I don't remember what I said and I'm truly sorry" will fix the negative PR that has been brought to CSM, CCP, Eve Online, and most importantly, Eve players as a whole. Nothing short of resign from the CSM or being removed by CCP, that is.
Let me say that again since it's important: The Mittani's behavior in the fanfest is the antithesis of what CSM council member should stand for. The shame is not only on Mittani's voters, but in a degree, all of active Eve players due to the number of votes he received. Great power... or popularity, rather, comes with great responsibility. Since a revote doesn't look realistic, It's time for the Mittani to look for a solution with CCP, such as appoint a successor, who isn't a sociopath that announce his or her interest of rallying harassment to force another Eve player to suicide in real life.
So a majority of eve players shouldn't be represented. As an asshat, I must disagree with you. Trolling, scamming, tears, and butthurt pubbies are part of the game, as much as ice mining or afk ratting. It's a sandbox, and just as in real life, some little kid is going to get sand kicked in his face, and his helicopter mother is going to get real bitchy real fast. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:51:00 -
[853] - Quote
If any of you idiots ever looked up gallows humor you would probably kill yourselves. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
216
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:52:00 -
[854] - Quote
de4deye wrote:There is a saying that "The real you comes out while you are drinking". If so, is this what you have been like this whole time, Mittani? You may think it is funny to make fun of suicidal people, mittens, but I assure you people's lives are not a joke. I also cannot believe the amount of people on this forum defending mitten's horrendous behavior.
abloo abloo abloo it's so horrible. shut up and grow some balls you whiny ****, you weren't born you dribbled out of your mother's arse |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:52:00 -
[855] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Wow, you really can't distinguish between in-game and real life, even now. Let me try to explain this to you: Real life player/person == CAN commit suicide in REAL LIFE Toon/character/Macinaw pilot == Pixels. In-game. Can only biomass. You did not encourage a toon to biomass. You asked a bunch of people to encourage a REAL LIFE person to commit REAL LIFE suicide. And now, instead of expressing concern for the PLAYER, you focus on his in-game activity with a very thin veneer of masked contempt. He's not an Eve player to you and certainly not a real person. You refer to him as "the miner". "A Macinaw pilot". A "Macinaw miner". Less than. A "pubbie." A normal person in this situation would at least try to contact this guy and apologize privately and personally. I'd suggest Skype (you have a chan don't you?) Maybe you could both sign a NDA. But you're not a normal person, are you? You're The Mittani, king of the goons, CSM chairman, Mr. "deal with it"...admitted sadist. Thanks for the new black eye you've given my favorite game, Mr. Chairman. And reversing yourself now saying. "I am not a sadist?" How do you reconcile that with bragging about being a sadist in your own campaign thread? You said, quote: i sling mud, i scam supercaps, and i'm a sadist, this isn't new or particularly interestingSo was that roleplaying, in your CSM campaign thread? Or was that the real Alex, like the guy with the mic? And if you're going to do a complete 180 on the whole "I'm a sadist, deal with it" tip, how can anyone trust that any part of your apology is sincere? (Before anyone says that was in-game, roleplaying, or the like you should read the convo in its entirety in his thread or in convo format here.) he told people to go the guy up :psyduck: |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:52:00 -
[856] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:If any of you idiots ever looked up gallows humor you would probably kill yourselves.
aha! |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:52:00 -
[857] - Quote
Sorry, did someone say people are protesting in Jita over this? |
Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:53:00 -
[858] - Quote
de4deye wrote:There is a saying that "The real you comes out while you are drinking". If so, is this what you have been like this whole time, Mittani? You may think it is funny to make fun of suicidal people, mittens, but I assure you people's lives are not a joke. I also cannot believe the amount of people on this forum defending mitten's horrendous behavior.
I sure hope NC. guys are not suicidal after we killed their titans http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12842852http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12842432http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12842464
I'm really concerned about them, whats their address so we can send "get welped" postcards. |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:53:00 -
[859] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:
And if he killed himself then what would your opinion be?
I think we already know...
The Mittani wrote:
deal with it~
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:53:00 -
[860] - Quote
Benilopax wrote:Sorry, did someone say people are protesting in Jita over this?
They aren't undocking in anything expensive.
/we already went to see |
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:53:00 -
[861] - Quote
de4deye wrote:The fact is there is no making up for what mittani did, sending a suicidal person billions of isk will not do him any good if he kills himself over what mittani told him. I can't believe mittani thinks this is something he can smooth away with a smug PR apology. Mittani, there is no good excuse for what you have done.
Well, we do not know how long ago the issue was, and my previous post I comment about the player. People do have to have some humility, even in the world of eve. I know a player in eve who was having serious rl troubles. This person was getting grief targetted when they just wanted to carebear, and it was actually a serious issue psychologically. Fortunately those of us who were friends helped out, even over internet, people need others to confide in or rant at if no rl outlet exists. Who knows how it would have turned had the final outlet for stress been closed?
Eve is a social game, so sometimes what somebody might say is absolutely serious since all they have anymore is the electronic media. It is communication like any other. Would the same talk be different if it was say at a car show instead of ever e-text? The reply given could be serious in nature, and griefing/scamming is part of eve. As players, it must be held to a limit though. That is why the harassment portion of the EULA does exist does it not? As players, and people.
Eve have it's rules. Person ice mining in highsec and grief campaign, that is eve. Personally, I thought it was an interesting tactic. The scam, same thing. Reimbursement, no to the mail since again, that is still eve. However as a player, and as part of the EULA agreement. When it was stated to be left alone like that, it sets up rules and the player should have been left alone, or a straight up, this is what is going on, we are attacking ice miners in high sec, and civil. It is a game, with game laws, but RL laws that all agreed to in order to play, take precidence. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
43
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:53:00 -
[862] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that... He didn't just apologize he also sent the dude 10.7 bil ISK. Ohhhh then it's perfectly ok.... jesus.... how morally bankrupt are you? It's an indicator that he's at least partially serious in his apology, not just trolling or whatever, and since the victim is perfectly fine he just got 10 bil without losing anything (apart from some mackinaws a few months ago) And if he killed himself then what would your opinion be?
Do you even read what you quote ? I was responding to whether one can take the apology at face value. You're going to have to clarify what you mean anyway - if he killed himself after he lost the mackinaws then Mittani wouldn't have been involved at all, if he'd killed himself because he got harassed after Mittani gave his name out then an apology wouldn't be worth much.
On the other hand most of the blame would go to the pathetic selfish loser that killed himself, not to big bad eve bullies. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3506
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 03:54:00 -
[863] - Quote
de4deye wrote:There is a saying that "The real you comes out while you are drinking". If so, is this what you have been like this whole time, Mittani? You may think it is funny to make fun of suicidal people, mittens, but I assure you people's lives are not a joke. I also cannot believe the amount of people on this forum defending mitten's horrendous behavior.
I can't believe the amount of people on this forum coming out to capitalize on some poor dude because they don't want their pixels nerfed. I'm sure you're beyond that, of course. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Selinate
723
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:54:00 -
[864] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:
How would this do anything but disenfranchise 10,000 people who voted for him. Oh wait it wouldn't. But then this isn't really about telling people to harass someone who is perfectly ok, not actively killing themselves, and 10bil richer.
I mean the timing on this whole thing is comical.
Lets drop the bullshit pretense about him being a bad goonie man who you don't like and get down to the nitty gritty: No one was harmed. Someone came out richer.
I doubt a single person who voted for him is protesting, and it seems to me that the loudest complainers are the people who voted against him.
I really didn't give a crap about who the goons scammed or what actions they took in game before today. I've scammed people in Eve also. It happens.
No one was harmed this time, but using this as an excuse is just a ridiculous copout that refuses to address the real issue. I don't care that this is Eve. Actions like what happened at the panel shouldn't be tolerated. Period.
Also, I never voted for CSM because I really couldn't care less about it. I play Eve my way. That's it.
But keep on trolling, using straw mans, ad hominems, it only furthers my original response that an apology and a relatively small isk donation is really just not enough for this type of behavior. |
Dalketh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:55:00 -
[865] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:de4deye wrote:Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook. What was smug about it? It seems pretty genuine to me. I've pretty much dropped all trolling in this thread because the kneejerking is pretty epic.
Says a goon. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
231
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:55:00 -
[866] - Quote
Meryl SinGarda wrote:You know, I've made my jabs at Mitanni, but I've been thinking. Maybe we should give the guy a little bit of a break. He's really only human, right? We humans sometimes screw up.
And if he killed someone? What about the next time?
No this was too far. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1201
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:56:00 -
[867] - Quote
Dalketh wrote:Powers Sa wrote:de4deye wrote:Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook. What was smug about it? It seems pretty genuine to me. I've pretty much dropped all trolling in this thread because the kneejerking is pretty epic. Says a goon.
Ok, well I'm the anti Goon (pro-BOB, pro-Tri, pro-MC, pro-PL, etc) and I think the damn thing is about as genuine as is possible. Was it over the line? Yes. Was it apologized for? Yes.
CASE CLOSED.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:57:00 -
[868] - Quote
Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:
How would this do anything but disenfranchise 10,000 people who voted for him. Oh wait it wouldn't. But then this isn't really about telling people to harass someone who is perfectly ok, not actively killing themselves, and 10bil richer.
I mean the timing on this whole thing is comical.
Lets drop the bullshit pretense about him being a bad goonie man who you don't like and get down to the nitty gritty: No one was harmed. Someone came out richer.
I doubt a single person who voted for him is protesting, and it seems to me that the loudest complainers are the people who voted against him.
I really didn't give a crap about who the goons scammed or what actions they took in game before today. I've scammed people in Eve also. It happens. No one was harmed this time, but using this as an excuse is just a ridiculous copout that refuses to address the real issue. I don't care that this is Eve. Actions like what happened at the panel shouldn't be tolerated. Period. Also, I never voted for CSM because I really couldn't care less about it. I play Eve my way. That's it. But keep on trolling, using straw mans, ad hominems, it only furthers my original response that an apology and a relatively small isk donation is really just not enough for this type of behavior.
And what is the real issue, exactly?
EDIT:
Other than the wrong guy winning the CSM. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1270
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:58:00 -
[869] - Quote
Zanmaru wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Crusader: Sir, SIR!!! You need to come with me and press charges immediately. You have been VICTIMIZED!
Confused: I have?
Crusader: Yes indeed. A few days ago that man over there was overheard by many people saying "If you want to help Confused end it all go talk to him, and take your cards".
Confused: Huh? Oh yeah. I wasn't aware he said it until he came up to me this morning and apologized for what he had said. Then he gave me a pile of money to make up for it. It confused the hell out of me, but okay... I'll take his money. See, we were playing poker a few years ago and after I lost my shirt I said "Remind me to shoot myself the next time I sit in on a poker game when I'm broke." No big deal really, I had forgotten all about it.
Crusader: Totally irrelevant. He was inciting people to cause you to commit suicide. We must take action NOW!
Confused: Uh, but I had any intention of...
Crusader: Irrelevant! The man must pay for his crime.
Confused: But I'm fine...
Crusader: Irrelevant!!
Confused: I really think he was just jok...
Crusader: Irrelevant!!!
Confused: Who the hell are you anyway?
Crusader: Irrelevant!!!!
Confused: Could you just leave me alone now please? Your ranting is starting to draw a crowd, and you're stressing me out.
Crusader: No! Justice must be served for this crime against you.
Confused: (Muttering) Now where did I leave that gun... That's cool. Has the guy actually posted some sort of response, or is this all pointless rhetoric?
He's been quoted multiple times in this thread stating that not only was he unaware of all this crap, he was never bullied into anything. In fact, he joked about it. Of course, he joked right after his mention of wanting to die (like he had just died in game) in his original email as well... but obviously that too is irrelevant. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:58:00 -
[870] - Quote
yeah being smug about 3 in game kills has absolutely nothing to do whit this, keep this up cause you not helping your cause here.
i know you have a hard time acknowledged that Mittens did something wrong, but he have already admitted it himself. when will the rest of you follow him, as you do in everything else |
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Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:58:00 -
[871] - Quote
Dalketh wrote:Powers Sa wrote:de4deye wrote:Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook. What was smug about it? It seems pretty genuine to me. I've pretty much dropped all trolling in this thread because the kneejerking is pretty epic. Says a goon.
Says an NPC copout. |
Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
61
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:58:00 -
[872] - Quote
Genuine apology ... I really don't think so.
He admitted to ROLEPLAYING for Christ's sake!
9/10, good troll. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Selinate
724
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:59:00 -
[873] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:
How would this do anything but disenfranchise 10,000 people who voted for him. Oh wait it wouldn't. But then this isn't really about telling people to harass someone who is perfectly ok, not actively killing themselves, and 10bil richer.
I mean the timing on this whole thing is comical.
Lets drop the bullshit pretense about him being a bad goonie man who you don't like and get down to the nitty gritty: No one was harmed. Someone came out richer.
I doubt a single person who voted for him is protesting, and it seems to me that the loudest complainers are the people who voted against him.
I really didn't give a crap about who the goons scammed or what actions they took in game before today. I've scammed people in Eve also. It happens. No one was harmed this time, but using this as an excuse is just a ridiculous copout that refuses to address the real issue. I don't care that this is Eve. Actions like what happened at the panel shouldn't be tolerated. Period. Also, I never voted for CSM because I really couldn't care less about it. I play Eve my way. That's it. But keep on trolling, using straw mans, ad hominems, it only furthers my original response that an apology and a relatively small isk donation is really just not enough for this type of behavior. And what is the real issue, exactly? EDIT: Other than the wrong guy winning the CSM.
If you lack the ability to read, that's your problem. It's right there in my post. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
194
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:59:00 -
[874] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Wow, you really can't distinguish between in-game and real life, even now. Let me try to explain this to you: Real life player/person == CAN commit suicide in REAL LIFE Toon/character/Macinaw pilot == Pixels. In-game. Can only biomass. You did not encourage a toon to biomass. You asked a bunch of people to encourage a REAL LIFE person to commit REAL LIFE suicide. And now, instead of expressing concern for the PLAYER, you focus on his in-game activity with a very thin veneer of masked contempt. He's not an Eve player to you and certainly not a real person. You refer to him as "the miner". "A Macinaw pilot". A "Macinaw miner". Less than. A "pubbie." A normal person in this situation would at least try to contact this guy and apologize privately and personally. I'd suggest Skype (you have a chan don't you?) Maybe you could both sign a NDA. But you're not a normal person, are you? You're The Mittani, king of the goons, CSM chairman, Mr. "deal with it"...admitted sadist. Thanks for the new black eye you've given my favorite game, Mr. Chairman. And reversing yourself now saying. "I am not a sadist?" How do you reconcile that with bragging about being a sadist in your own campaign thread? You said, quote: i sling mud, i scam supercaps, and i'm a sadist, this isn't new or particularly interestingSo was that roleplaying, in your CSM campaign thread? Or was that the real Alex, like the guy with the mic? And if you're going to do a complete 180 on the whole "I'm a sadist, deal with it" tip, how can anyone trust that any part of your apology is sincere? (Before anyone says that was in-game, roleplaying, or the like you should read the convo in its entirety in his thread or in convo format here.) he told people to go the guy up :psyduck:
No. He told people to go find the guy and "make the guy kill himself".
Quote:As part of the talk, Alex aired a private correspondence in which a victim revealed that he'd been severely depressed following a divorce and expressed suicidal thoughts. "We're sure that he's not dead," Alex flippantly remarked during the talk before adding that "he might have committed suicide."
While a flippant remark that the victim may have killed himself could possibly be seen as drunken banter intended to embellish the impact of the story, later in the talk Alex actually gave the name of the pilot and encouraged players to harass him in order to make him commit suicide. "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [redacted]," Alex said, adding that "he has his own corp. Find him." The entire talk was watched by a packed room of Fanfest attendees and streamed live to thousands of players at home. Alex told players to "deal with it" when complaints surfaced on the EVE forum. http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/ http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:59:00 -
[875] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Dalketh wrote:Powers Sa wrote:de4deye wrote:Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook. What was smug about it? It seems pretty genuine to me. I've pretty much dropped all trolling in this thread because the kneejerking is pretty epic. Says a goon. Ok, well I'm the anti Goon (pro-BOB, pro-Tri, pro-MC, pro-PL, etc) and I think the damn thing is about as genuine as is possible. Was it over the line? Yes. Was it apologized for? Yes. CASE CLOSED. -Liang
yay! logic! |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:01:00 -
[876] - Quote
London wrote:While I can respect your apology toward this person and the community, this is somewhat contrary to what you said on the EVE Fly Reckless podcast a few months ago. You stated that you don't "role-play" in EVE and that the character you portray is essentially who you are in real life. :/
The Mittani wrote:
deal with it~
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Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
137
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:01:00 -
[877] - Quote
de4deye wrote:There is a saying that "The real you comes out while you are drinking". If so, is this what you have been like this whole time, Mittani? You may think it is funny to make fun of suicidal people, mittens, but I assure you people's lives are not a joke. I also cannot believe the amount of people on this forum defending mitten's horrendous behavior.
Not that you can call yourself impartial. Your alliance would love nothing more than to get mittens kicked off the CSM. So anything you say is pretty much politically motiviated.
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Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:02:00 -
[878] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Powers Sa wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Wow, you really can't distinguish between in-game and real life, even now. Let me try to explain this to you: Real life player/person == CAN commit suicide in REAL LIFE Toon/character/Macinaw pilot == Pixels. In-game. Can only biomass. You did not encourage a toon to biomass. You asked a bunch of people to encourage a REAL LIFE person to commit REAL LIFE suicide. And now, instead of expressing concern for the PLAYER, you focus on his in-game activity with a very thin veneer of masked contempt. He's not an Eve player to you and certainly not a real person. You refer to him as "the miner". "A Macinaw pilot". A "Macinaw miner". Less than. A "pubbie." A normal person in this situation would at least try to contact this guy and apologize privately and personally. I'd suggest Skype (you have a chan don't you?) Maybe you could both sign a NDA. But you're not a normal person, are you? You're The Mittani, king of the goons, CSM chairman, Mr. "deal with it"...admitted sadist. Thanks for the new black eye you've given my favorite game, Mr. Chairman. And reversing yourself now saying. "I am not a sadist?" How do you reconcile that with bragging about being a sadist in your own campaign thread? You said, quote: i sling mud, i scam supercaps, and i'm a sadist, this isn't new or particularly interestingSo was that roleplaying, in your CSM campaign thread? Or was that the real Alex, like the guy with the mic? And if you're going to do a complete 180 on the whole "I'm a sadist, deal with it" tip, how can anyone trust that any part of your apology is sincere? (Before anyone says that was in-game, roleplaying, or the like you should read the convo in its entirety in his thread or in convo format here.) he told people to go the guy up :psyduck: No. He told people to go find the guy and "make the guy kill himself". Quote:As part of the talk, Alex aired a private correspondence in which a victim revealed that he'd been severely depressed following a divorce and expressed suicidal thoughts. "We're sure that he's not dead," Alex flippantly remarked during the talk before adding that "he might have committed suicide."
While a flippant remark that the victim may have killed himself could possibly be seen as drunken banter intended to embellish the impact of the story, later in the talk Alex actually gave the name of the pilot and encouraged players to harass him in order to make him commit suicide. "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [redacted]," Alex said, adding that "he has his own corp. Find him." The entire talk was watched by a packed room of Fanfest attendees and streamed live to thousands of players at home. Alex told players to "deal with it" when complaints surfaced on the EVE forum. http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/
the comments on that article are absolutely ******* golden. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
397
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:02:00 -
[879] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:You. You there.
Cipher something. Yeah you.
Stop posting the truth, it really hurts me on the inside. I try to pretend it doesn't using sarcasm as my proxy, but everyone with an I.Q. of over 95 can clearly see right through me like the lingerie in a Mexican whorehouse.
I'll work on that for you.
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:02:00 -
[880] - Quote
Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:
How would this do anything but disenfranchise 10,000 people who voted for him. Oh wait it wouldn't. But then this isn't really about telling people to harass someone who is perfectly ok, not actively killing themselves, and 10bil richer.
I mean the timing on this whole thing is comical.
Lets drop the bullshit pretense about him being a bad goonie man who you don't like and get down to the nitty gritty: No one was harmed. Someone came out richer.
I doubt a single person who voted for him is protesting, and it seems to me that the loudest complainers are the people who voted against him.
I really didn't give a crap about who the goons scammed or what actions they took in game before today. I've scammed people in Eve also. It happens. No one was harmed this time, but using this as an excuse is just a ridiculous copout that refuses to address the real issue. I don't care that this is Eve. Actions like what happened at the panel shouldn't be tolerated. Period. Also, I never voted for CSM because I really couldn't care less about it. I play Eve my way. That's it. But keep on trolling, using straw mans, ad hominems, it only furthers my original response that an apology and a relatively small isk donation is really just not enough for this type of behavior. And what is the real issue, exactly? EDIT: Other than the wrong guy winning the CSM. If you lack the ability to read, that's your problem. It's right there in my post.
You used a lot of fuzzy language. Also first rule in debating, never use "But"
It negates either everything before or after it, which is doubly amusing when you accuse someone else of a straw man.
"No one was harmed this time, but "
~heh
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:03:00 -
[881] - Quote
The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:03:00 -
[882] - Quote
Well, I could quibble but it's a well written apology and the ISK compensation is soooo like a damages payment. I just wish I could feel that it was a sincere gesture to the damaged rather than an "oh god pay him off before I get jail time" kind of thing.
However, if Mittens did and has a history of taking in game activities and then trying to use them against someone in real life like with the cyber-brothel mentioned above... That's a whole new can of worms ready to be opened. It's just like threatening to hurt someone in real life after getting ganked in game. You are taking it too far and are liable! You don't destroy real life over mmo game lulz.
You see cyber sex crap in about every MMO now. Its childishly stupid but there are a lot of horny nerds not getting any in the real world and they need a steam release valve too. Very few games have age check utilities to keep it regulated and I would be concerned about it happening in EVE for that reason. Minors shouldn't be exposed to that kind of sick. Report to GM. But don't write their real life family and bosses as their life is likely bad enough.
It's a ******* game played for fun. Sure own em in PVP but don't go trying to take their RL job or play clock work orange with their sister too... |
Onix Pokemon
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:03:00 -
[883] - Quote
My faith in our dear leader never wavered even as I watched this over the livestream.
Long live The Mittani. |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:04:00 -
[884] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:
the comments on that article are absolutely ******* golden.
The Mittani wrote:
deal with it~
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Dalketh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:05:00 -
[885] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Dalketh wrote:Powers Sa wrote:de4deye wrote:Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook. What was smug about it? It seems pretty genuine to me. I've pretty much dropped all trolling in this thread because the kneejerking is pretty epic. Says a goon. Ok, well I'm the anti Goon (pro-BOB, pro-Tri, pro-MC, pro-PL, etc) and I think the damn thing is about as genuine as is possible. Was it over the line? Yes. Was it apologized for? Yes. CASE CLOSED. -Liang
Wow lost all my respect with that one Liang - so do anything say anything but if you apologize all is fine? Can't believe you said something like that. It's the opposite of what I thought of you. :/ |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:05:00 -
[886] - Quote
de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse.
He never said that, he said "What I did was inexcusable".
Also no one died. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:05:00 -
[887] - Quote
Dalketh wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Dalketh wrote:Powers Sa wrote:de4deye wrote:Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook. What was smug about it? It seems pretty genuine to me. I've pretty much dropped all trolling in this thread because the kneejerking is pretty epic. Says a goon. Ok, well I'm the anti Goon (pro-BOB, pro-Tri, pro-MC, pro-PL, etc) and I think the damn thing is about as genuine as is possible. Was it over the line? Yes. Was it apologized for? Yes. CASE CLOSED. -Liang Wow lost all my respect with that one Liang - so do anything say anything but if you apologize all is fine? Can't believe you said something like that. It's the opposite of what I thought of you. :/
I know I can't believe anyone would ever be anti goon. |
Selinate
724
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:06:00 -
[888] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Quote:If you lack the ability to read, that's your problem. It's right there in my post. You used a lot of fuzzy language. Also first rule in debating, never use "But" It negates either everything before or after it, which is doubly amusing when you accuse someone else of a straw man. "No one was harmed this time, but " ~heh
It doesn't negate anything before or after, and I didn't use any "fuzzy language". Again, if you lack the ability to read, that really is your problem. |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:06:00 -
[889] - Quote
de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse.
Except he said his drunkenness is no excuse for how he acted in the ******* apology. It'd be awesome if any of you people bothered to read his post instead of immediately coming in to crucify a guy who's genuinely sorry about ******* up. |
Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:07:00 -
[890] - Quote
Ok, the guy was drunk, what he said was outta line, he apologized, as punishment i want mitty to write on the blackboard 100 times " I will not drink more than i can handle". As far as stepping down the answer is no, he stays. |
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:07:00 -
[891] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Oh nice, the whole "I was drunk and I don't remember what happened" defense. You know I saw that video - you weren't drinking that much.
The fact is, whether it's a game or not, it's still you doing it, and you're doing it to a person. True - people in EVE need to develop a certain callousness towards risk and loss; who hasn't been suicide ganked and lost a valuable batch of ore or a BPO? You learn to accept the fact that loss and risk is part of the game, and I would dare say that for some of us this risk enriches the game experience. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, etc etc. You jump through a gate, and some pirates explode you. You talk some smack, they lolumad? and you move on.
There is a line that Goonswarm crosses. You take it way too far. Yes, EVE is a dark, hostile game, yadda yadda bla bla - but it's still people playing it, and you never know who is behind the computer screen. I'm not telling Goons to stop what they do (I admit it can enrich the game), but Goons take to a level that is far and beyond fun. Do you really have to sit there and spam someone's inbox with smacktalk trying to make them feel like ****? Whether it's on a computer game or in real life, it's still real people doing it to real people. No matter how you try to justify it, it makes you a piece of ****, end of story.
Think of it this way: Nobody really likes Goonswarm, and Goonswarm has thus far been protected by it's size. If it was only a 10 man Corp pulling the stunts it does, you'd all be quickly rerolling to hide yourselves. But you just saw that not even a 6, 10, or 20 thousand man alliance can protect you from stepping up to the line and leaping over it like you did.
Good riddance, and I hope you've learned a valuable lesson. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:07:00 -
[892] - Quote
Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Quote:If you lack the ability to read, that's your problem. It's right there in my post. You used a lot of fuzzy language. Also first rule in debating, never use "But" It negates either everything before or after it, which is doubly amusing when you accuse someone else of a straw man. "No one was harmed this time, but " ~heh It doesn't negate anything before or after, and I didn't use any "fuzzy language". Again, if you lack the ability to read, that really is your problem.
Look at you :3 |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:08:00 -
[893] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:
Except he said his drunkenness is no excuse for how he acted in the ******* apology. It'd be awesome if any of you people bothered to read his post instead of immediately coming in to crucify a guy who's genuinely sorry about ******* up.
The Mittani wrote:
deal with it~
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:08:00 -
[894] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote: The truth is, unfortunately, the one thing nobody is really confronting:
Resignations promised: 1 Resignations: 0
Clock still ticking... |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:08:00 -
[895] - Quote
The real tragedy here are the Dutch folks from Holland/The Netherlands. He never apologized to them. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:09:00 -
[896] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:Jonatan Reed wrote:
the comments on that article are absolutely ******* golden.
The Mittani wrote:
deal with it~
Now you aren't even trying. |
Selinate
724
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:10:00 -
[897] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Selinate wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Quote:If you lack the ability to read, that's your problem. It's right there in my post. You used a lot of fuzzy language. Also first rule in debating, never use "But" It negates either everything before or after it, which is doubly amusing when you accuse someone else of a straw man. "No one was harmed this time, but " ~heh It doesn't negate anything before or after, and I didn't use any "fuzzy language". Again, if you lack the ability to read, that really is your problem. Look at you :3
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
194
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:10:00 -
[898] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist..."
So in other words, when you are posting on the forums, you are roleplaying. Except now. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:10:00 -
[899] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:[quote=The Mittani]
Think of it this way: Nobody really likes Goonswarm, and Goonswarm has thus far been protected by it's size. If it was only a 10 man Corp pulling the stunts it does, you'd all be quickly rerolling to hide yourselves. But you just saw that not even a 6, 10, or 20 thousand man alliance can protect you from stepping up to the line and leaping over it like you did.
Good riddance, and I hope you've learned a valuable lesson.
NO ONE LIKES GOONSWARM *amasses more votes than alliance membership can account for assuming 100% voter turnout*
Are you people just stupid?
*Note how I didn't put a qualifier on that? It's because I already know the answer.
Nobody but half of the North, the entire West, a large population in the East and a fair number of NPC nullsec entities like Goonswarm. |
Krutoj
xSPECNAZx
105
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:10:00 -
[900] - Quote
Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage
erm, there was erm, maybe 3 guys from the panel who werent drunk yet?? Fanfest is for having fun, drinking is part of it, because beer and other are sold openly at the event. The fact of the matter I began each morning with 2-3 shots of vodka and then drinking beer and w/e else people brought (CSM status buys you a lot of free drinks, just ask Alex, oh wai..).
ITS A PARTYYYYYYY. Presenting stuff on it just depends on how well you can behave and how much of a fool you can make out of yourself while drunk, or you can always present it sobber like Eve Uni CEO. |
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:10:00 -
[901] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse. Except he said his drunkenness is no excuse for how he acted in the ******* apology. It'd be awesome if any of you people bothered to read his post instead of immediately coming in to crucify a guy who's genuinely sorry about ******* up.
But in the beginning he says "I was drunk and didn't remember." Is being drunk an excuse or not? It seems like he can't make his mind up about it. It seems he's only apologizing because he f-cked up in a major way in front of everyone. If this had been some private matter and he showed a powerpoint at a Goonswarm convention, and someone quietly blogged about it, do you think he'd be writing a formal, public apology?
F-ck no. |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:11:00 -
[902] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:JTK Fotheringham wrote:Jonatan Reed wrote:
the comments on that article are absolutely ******* golden.
The Mittani wrote:
deal with it~
Now you aren't even trying.
The Mittani wrote:
deal with it~
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:11:00 -
[903] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse. He never said that, he said "What I did was inexcusable". Also no one died.
All this word twisting, name calling, and profiling does not distract from what mittens has done. This is not a matter of "you like/don't like mittens" or Eve politics, this is real. I'm sure the suicidal person mittens was mocking doesn't care about the Eve politics much. You can quit all the avoidance of the issue and come to the reality that there is no excuse for what Mittani did and that you can not simply smooth this over with the whole "I was drunk" rope-a-dope. All this said, I repeat; Mittens you are a horrible person. |
Dalketh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:12:00 -
[904] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse. Except he said his drunkenness is no excuse for how he acted in the ******* apology. It'd be awesome if any of you people bothered to read his post instead of immediately coming in to crucify a guy who's genuinely sorry about ******* up.
Correct - his drunkenness is no excuse. We read the post and agree. It is no excuse. None. Agreeing with you dude. It was no excuse at all and he admits it. So that some 'get out of jail free card'? Explain that non-logic? |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:12:00 -
[905] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:[quote=The Mittani]
Think of it this way: Nobody really likes Goonswarm, and Goonswarm has thus far been protected by it's size. If it was only a 10 man Corp pulling the stunts it does, you'd all be quickly rerolling to hide yourselves. But you just saw that not even a 6, 10, or 20 thousand man alliance can protect you from stepping up to the line and leaping over it like you did.
Good riddance, and I hope you've learned a valuable lesson. NO ONE LIKES GOONSWARM *amasses more votes than alliance membership can account for assuming 100% voter turnout* Are you people just stupid? *Note how I didn't put a qualifier on that? It's because I already know the answer. Nobody but half of the North, the entire West, a large population in the East and a fair number of NPC nullsec entities like Goonswarm.
Goonalts voting for a Goon, not surprising.
|
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:12:00 -
[906] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage erm, there was erm, maybe 3 guys from the panel who werent drunk yet?? Fanfest is for having fun, drinking is part of it, because beer and other are sold openly at the event. The fact of the matter I began each morning with 2-3 shots of vodka and then drinking beer and w/e else people brought (CSM status buys you a lot of free drinks, just ask Alex, oh wai..). ITS A PARTYYYYYYY. Presenting stuff on it just depends on how well you can behave and how much of a fool you can make out of yourself while drunk, or you can always present it sobber like Eve Uni CEO.
You continue to impress me krutoj. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
128
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:13:00 -
[907] - Quote
Sasha Khaine wrote:I don't drink a lot myself and these are precisely the reasons why I don't.
I would think that being someone as large of an influence within the game, you would have behaved more maturely. Heading to CCP's event and representing not only yourself but your corp/alliance mates and the game community as a whole with your CSM position you have really let a lot of people down. I don't know if your corp mates agree or disagree with what you did (reading some posts quite a few support it regardless of your apology) but for me at least I feel a line has been crossed.
Whilst it is good of you to apologise, I feel the damage has already been done. CCP has a major game coming out soon and your actions have no doubt pissed them off something rotten. Now they have to deal with the media, possible police inquiry's and other legal bits of business because of your actions.
Don't get me wrong, I don't view you as a monster and I understand what can happen when you have had a lot to drink but I feel that you just let a lot of people down. I don't want to see you banned, I want to see you put it right and this is a step in the right direction. So I wish you the best of luck in the upcoming months because you will no doubt have to deal with a lot of regret.
- Sasha Khaine You clearly didn't watch the part of the stream with the CCP dev team members drunk and talking about ************ and the like. This was certainly a super serious stream meant to only present super serious commentary. |
Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:13:00 -
[908] - Quote
WHere's my apology and 10 billion, after watching the panel I finally had to admit that everyone of my friends and family that said playing a spaceship internet game was ******** was right all along. I'm am such a failure bor even being here even right now. My stomach just wants to wrench thinking that I am a part of this. How is Mittani gonna fix the damage that has been done to my perception of my participation in this queezefest.
Logging in is revolting. I tried it and just had to hit the escape in disgust. |
Aargolos
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:14:00 -
[909] - Quote
Not a big Mittens fan. However, it's up to CCP at this point to do something or not.
In the mean time, watching Logi 5 click down off the evemon counter.
Internet backgammon is pretty cool. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:14:00 -
[910] - Quote
de4deye wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse. He never said that, he said "What I did was inexcusable". Also no one died. All this word twisting, name calling, and profiling does not distract from what mittens has done. This is not a matter of "you like/don't like mittens" or Eve politics, this is real. I'm sure the suicidal person mittens was mocking doesn't care about the Eve politics much. You can quit all the avoidance of the issue and come to the reality that there is no excuse for what Mittani did and that you can not simply smooth this over with the whole "I was drunk" rope-a-dope. All this said, I repeat; Mittens you are a horrible person.
The suicidal person who was being mocked has been asked and he doesn't much give a **** outside of the humor value.
As far as Mittens being a horrible person.... probably, he is a lawyer after all. But I voted for a bastard on purpose. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1271
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:14:00 -
[911] - Quote
Dalketh wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Dalketh wrote:Powers Sa wrote:de4deye wrote:Convincing someone to commit suicide is not a laughing matter, mittani - you are a monster. Being drunk is not a sufficient excuse for your actions, there are no excuses here. A smug apology will not simply get you off of the hook. What was smug about it? It seems pretty genuine to me. I've pretty much dropped all trolling in this thread because the kneejerking is pretty epic. Says a goon. Ok, well I'm the anti Goon (pro-BOB, pro-Tri, pro-MC, pro-PL, etc) and I think the damn thing is about as genuine as is possible. Was it over the line? Yes. Was it apologized for? Yes. CASE CLOSED. -Liang Wow lost all my respect with that one Liang - so do anything say anything but if you apologize all is fine? Can't believe you said something like that. It's the opposite of what I thought of you. :/
Yeah, things like maturity and perspective suck don't they.
Don't worry, eventually you'll get there too. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:14:00 -
[912] - Quote
Aargolos wrote:Not a big Mittens fan. However, it's up to CCP at this point to do something or not.
In the mean time, watching Logi 5 click down off the evemon counter.
Internet backgammon is pretty cool.
:fistbump:
Two eveguys with Logi5. The only thing worse is JCD5 when it comes to damn useful things to have that take forever to train :v |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:15:00 -
[913] - Quote
Dalketh wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse. Except he said his drunkenness is no excuse for how he acted in the ******* apology. It'd be awesome if any of you people bothered to read his post instead of immediately coming in to crucify a guy who's genuinely sorry about ******* up. Correct - his drunkenness is no excuse. We read the post and agree. It is no excuse. None. Agreeing with you dude. It was no excuse at all and he admits it. So that some 'get out of jail free card'? Explain that non-logic?
He's using it an excuse to mitigate how he handled the situation.
"You encouraged people to harass someone so he would kill himself!"
The Mittani wrote:deal with it~
"Mittani, it's all over the news, CCP is upset, and the playerbase is calling for you to resign. CCP has a PR nightmare on it's hands, you really effed up. How can you not care?"
The Mittani wrote:*consumes relevant media* ... "ZOMGZ guys, I am so sorry, I didn't realize, I didn't mean to be so flippant, I was drunk and didn't remember.
If you can't see how he's trying to use it as an excuse, you're either 1) ignorant or 2) being willfully ignorant in an attempt to obfuscate and smokescreen. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:15:00 -
[914] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:I don't drink a lot myself and these are precisely the reasons why I don't.
I would think that being someone as large of an influence within the game, you would have behaved more maturely. Heading to CCP's event and representing not only yourself but your corp/alliance mates and the game community as a whole with your CSM position you have really let a lot of people down. I don't know if your corp mates agree or disagree with what you did (reading some posts quite a few support it regardless of your apology) but for me at least I feel a line has been crossed.
Whilst it is good of you to apologise, I feel the damage has already been done. CCP has a major game coming out soon and your actions have no doubt pissed them off something rotten. Now they have to deal with the media, possible police inquiry's and other legal bits of business because of your actions.
Don't get me wrong, I don't view you as a monster and I understand what can happen when you have had a lot to drink but I feel that you just let a lot of people down. I don't want to see you banned, I want to see you put it right and this is a step in the right direction. So I wish you the best of luck in the upcoming months because you will no doubt have to deal with a lot of regret.
- Sasha Khaine You clearly didn't watch the part of the stream with the CCP dev team members drunk and talking about ************ and the like. This was certainly a super serious stream meant to only present super serious commentary.
Exactly, drinking and having fun are carnal sins. Mittens was the only one drinking ever. |
Ninevite
Shiva Initiative Mercenaries
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:16:00 -
[915] - Quote
removed |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
196
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:16:00 -
[916] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage erm, there was erm, maybe 3 guys from the panel who werent drunk yet?? Fanfest is for having fun, drinking is part of it, because beer and other are sold openly at the event. The fact of the matter I began each morning with 2-3 shots of vodka and then drinking beer and w/e else people brought (CSM status buys you a lot of free drinks, just ask Alex, oh wai..). ITS A PARTYYYYYYY. Presenting stuff on it just depends on how well you can behave and how much of a fool you can make out of yourself while drunk, or you can always present it sobber like Eve Uni CEO.
And everyone there was completely trashed, we get it. Notice how only one guy was acting like a complete psychopath though? If you posted his quote anonymously to any Eve player they could name the author instantly. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Krutoj
xSPECNAZx
111
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:16:00 -
[917] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:Krutoj wrote:Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage erm, there was erm, maybe 3 guys from the panel who werent drunk yet?? Fanfest is for having fun, drinking is part of it, because beer and other are sold openly at the event. The fact of the matter I began each morning with 2-3 shots of vodka and then drinking beer and w/e else people brought (CSM status buys you a lot of free drinks, just ask Alex, oh wai..). ITS A PARTYYYYYYY. Presenting stuff on it just depends on how well you can behave and how much of a fool you can make out of yourself while drunk, or you can always present it sobber like Eve Uni CEO. You continue to impress me krutoj.
Dont be,just like told Mittens, I am bored and farming likes in his thread.
Anyway time to check in my bag,this freaken trip from Iceland never ends.. I have been flying since 25th 7am.... |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:17:00 -
[918] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage erm, there was erm, maybe 3 guys from the panel who werent drunk yet?? Fanfest is for having fun, drinking is part of it, because beer and other are sold openly at the event. The fact of the matter I began each morning with 2-3 shots of vodka and then drinking beer and w/e else people brought (CSM status buys you a lot of free drinks, just ask Alex, oh wai..). ITS A PARTYYYYYYY. Presenting stuff on it just depends on how well you can behave and how much of a fool you can make out of yourself while drunk, or you can always present it sobber like Eve Uni CEO. Krutoj, king of never giving a ****. You have my alt vote next year. |
velusip
Douchingtons Shadow Cartel
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:17:00 -
[919] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:I, as a person...
Now you've got your **** completely backwards. Acting a **** IRL and appologizing as 'The Mittani'.
I'm an ******* IRL and in game. How many times have I heard nerds berate others and be little pricks and then later claim they were joking or playing a character. You're an *******, accept it. One of us! One of us! |
Aargolos
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:17:00 -
[920] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Aargolos wrote:Not a big Mittens fan. However, it's up to CCP at this point to do something or not.
In the mean time, watching Logi 5 click down off the evemon counter.
Internet backgammon is pretty cool. :fistbump: Two eveguys with Logi5. The only thing worse is JCD5 when it comes to damn useful things to have that take forever to train :v
It's like pulling nails, I tell ya!
Fortunately there's no shortage of Rum!
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Mr Adebisi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:18:00 -
[921] - Quote
poop on my chest. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:19:00 -
[922] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:Jonatan Reed wrote:Krutoj wrote:Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage erm, there was erm, maybe 3 guys from the panel who werent drunk yet?? Fanfest is for having fun, drinking is part of it, because beer and other are sold openly at the event. The fact of the matter I began each morning with 2-3 shots of vodka and then drinking beer and w/e else people brought (CSM status buys you a lot of free drinks, just ask Alex, oh wai..). ITS A PARTYYYYYYY. Presenting stuff on it just depends on how well you can behave and how much of a fool you can make out of yourself while drunk, or you can always present it sobber like Eve Uni CEO. You continue to impress me krutoj. Dont be,just like told Mittens, I am bored and farming likes in his thread. Anyway time to check in my bag,this freaken trip from Iceland never ends.. I have been flying since 25th 7am....
We are here for the same higher purpose you and I. I remember my trip to new zealand/Australia. :-) Took 31 hours. :X |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:19:00 -
[923] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Sasha Khaine wrote:I don't drink a lot myself and these are precisely the reasons why I don't.
I would think that being someone as large of an influence within the game, you would have behaved more maturely. Heading to CCP's event and representing not only yourself but your corp/alliance mates and the game community as a whole with your CSM position you have really let a lot of people down. I don't know if your corp mates agree or disagree with what you did (reading some posts quite a few support it regardless of your apology) but for me at least I feel a line has been crossed.
Whilst it is good of you to apologise, I feel the damage has already been done. CCP has a major game coming out soon and your actions have no doubt pissed them off something rotten. Now they have to deal with the media, possible police inquiry's and other legal bits of business because of your actions.
Don't get me wrong, I don't view you as a monster and I understand what can happen when you have had a lot to drink but I feel that you just let a lot of people down. I don't want to see you banned, I want to see you put it right and this is a step in the right direction. So I wish you the best of luck in the upcoming months because you will no doubt have to deal with a lot of regret.
- Sasha Khaine You clearly didn't watch the part of the stream with the CCP dev team members drunk and talking about ************ and the like. This was certainly a super serious stream meant to only present super serious commentary. Exactly, drinking and having fun are carnal sins. Mittens was the only one drinking ever.
Lets not forget that CCP themselves push the carnival freak-show atmosphere for the whole thing.
If anything positive comes from this it's going to be us never sending Mittens to do an Alliance Presentation ever again. They are terrible unfunny shitfests which actually end up being more trouble than they are worth (Especially this year). Now Darius Johnson? That man was funny. Stoffer? Funny. Those two wormhole guys this year? Funny.
Michael Bolton was out of control, and Mittens was just terrible. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:19:00 -
[924] - Quote
Mr Adebisi wrote:poop on my chest.
Confirming best post in /thread. |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:20:00 -
[925] - Quote
Dalketh wrote:Correct - his drunkenness is no excuse. We read the post and agree. It is no excuse. None. Agreeing with you dude. It was no excuse at all and he admits it. So that some 'get out of jail free card'? Explain that non-logic?
No, it's not a get out of jail free card.
However, the fact that he has publically apologized for being a shitheel, gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet, and now will discuss what should happen with the CSM and CCP IS.
Wis is fine and more or less stumbled into 10.7 billion isk out of the blue today. Maybe if Wis had actually killed himself, or made some sort of attempt on his life, then all this damn indignation and moral superiority would be proper, but nobody came out of this worse for the wear. Mittani learned a lesson about how maybe he shouldn't get drunk off his **** on a live broadcast, that he should choose his words carefully, and now CCP and his peers in the CSM can decide what happens from this point. Everyone screaming and hollering that he NEEDS to step down and how he's a shame and disgusting and whatnot are showing their own immaturity for not being able to forgive a man who's admitted he did wrong and made amends for it, especially in a case like this where nobody's gotten harmed. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
196
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:20:00 -
[926] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote: he is a lawyer paralegal after all.
Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Onix Pokemon
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:21:00 -
[927] - Quote
I was instructed by my mentor to refer to The Mittani as God Emperor and my CEO as dear leader, sorry for the confusion everyone.
Quote:My faith in our God Emperor never wavered even as I watched this over the livestream.
Long live The Mittani. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
422
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:22:00 -
[928] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse. Except he said his drunkenness is no excuse for how he acted in the ******* apology. It'd be awesome if any of you people bothered to read his post instead of immediately coming in to crucify a guy who's genuinely sorry about ******* up. But in the beginning he says "I was drunk and didn't remember." Is being drunk an excuse or not? It seems like he can't make his mind up about it. It seems he's only apologizing because he f-cked up in a major way in front of everyone. If this had been some private matter and he showed a powerpoint at a Goonswarm convention, and someone quietly blogged about it, do you think he'd be writing a formal, public apology? F-ck no.
Amazing how many sockpuppets are also telepaths.
I think we need to get a grip. All he did was make a tasteless joke. You assholes act like he pulled out a kitten and performed a live vivisection or something.
Oh wait, it's Mittani, so literally anything he does is "TEH WORST THING EVER." Stupid pubbie sheep.
Also: Reported for censorship bypass.
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Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:22:00 -
[929] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Krutoj wrote:Ninevite wrote:Make the next fanfest ban speakers from drinking before their presentations. It was just awful to watch some of the talks
Props to some of the folks on the alliance panel who denied alcohol while on stage erm, there was erm, maybe 3 guys from the panel who werent drunk yet?? Fanfest is for having fun, drinking is part of it, because beer and other are sold openly at the event. The fact of the matter I began each morning with 2-3 shots of vodka and then drinking beer and w/e else people brought (CSM status buys you a lot of free drinks, just ask Alex, oh wai..). ITS A PARTYYYYYYY. Presenting stuff on it just depends on how well you can behave and how much of a fool you can make out of yourself while drunk, or you can always present it sobber like Eve Uni CEO. Krutoj, king of never giving a ****. You have my alt vote next year.
Supporting a vice-chairman position for krutoj. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
139
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:22:00 -
[930] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote: And everyone there was completely trashed, we get it. Notice how only one guy was acting like a complete psychopath though? If you posted his quote anonymously to any Eve player they could name the author instantly.
Its almost as if Michael Bolton III and that DNS guy weren't even there, nevermind their drunken antics.
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:22:00 -
[931] - Quote
I like how everyone is glossing over the fact that Mittens did not give a f-ck about what he did until he realized that he'd really screwed up after watching all the relevant media on it. He's not sorry because he realizes what he did was wrong and feels bad about what he did and realizes that he's a horrible person - he's sorry because it had personal and "professional" consequences. What he's doing with this apology is trying to mitigate the damage.
I mean this is a guy who admittedly enjoys ruining the game for other people, and has admitted that that's why he plays this game.
Get your heads out of the sand. All Goonswarm is is propaganda - they even have youtube videos about it making fun of the EVE playerbase for being dumb and falling for it. |
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:22:00 -
[932] - Quote
I forgive you (not that I matter), I respect you a lot more now. It takes s lot to step up like this. We all mess up once in awhile , but you manned up to it. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:23:00 -
[933] - Quote
No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
196
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:24:00 -
[934] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Dalketh wrote:Correct - his drunkenness is no excuse. We read the post and agree. It is no excuse. None. Agreeing with you dude. It was no excuse at all and he admits it. So that some 'get out of jail free card'? Explain that non-logic? No, it's not a get out of jail free card. However, the fact that he has publically apologized for being a shitheel, gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet, and now will discuss what should happen with the CSM and CCP IS. Wis is fine and more or less stumbled into 10.7 billion isk out of the blue today. Maybe if Wis had actually killed himself, or made some sort of attempt on his life, then all this damn indignation and moral superiority would be proper, but nobody came out of this worse for the wear. Mittani learned a lesson about how maybe he shouldn't get drunk off his **** on a live broadcast, that he should choose his words carefully, and now CCP and his peers in the CSM can decide what happens from this point. Everyone screaming and hollering that he NEEDS to step down and how he's a shame and disgusting and whatnot are showing their own immaturity for not being able to forgive a man who's admitted he did wrong and made amends for it, especially in a case like this where nobody's gotten harmed.
So it's a "get of jail for 10.7 billion ISK" card?
Kudos to The Mittani for giving him 10.7 billion ISK. But wait, was that The Mittani who gave him the ISK or Alex? Because he said in his apology:
Quote:[T]he Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game...
So if the 10 bill wasn't part of an apology, was it hush money? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:24:00 -
[935] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Dalketh wrote:Correct - his drunkenness is no excuse. We read the post and agree. It is no excuse. None. Agreeing with you dude. It was no excuse at all and he admits it. So that some 'get out of jail free card'? Explain that non-logic? No, it's not a get out of jail free card. However, the fact that he has publically apologized for being a shitheel, gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet, and now will discuss what should happen with the CSM and CCP IS. Wis is fine and more or less stumbled into 10.7 billion isk out of the blue today. Maybe if Wis had actually killed himself, or made some sort of attempt on his life, then all this damn indignation and moral superiority would be proper, but nobody came out of this worse for the wear. Mittani learned a lesson about how maybe he shouldn't get drunk off his **** on a live broadcast, that he should choose his words carefully, and now CCP and his peers in the CSM can decide what happens from this point. Everyone screaming and hollering that he NEEDS to step down and how he's a shame and disgusting and whatnot are showing their own immaturity for not being able to forgive a man who's admitted he did wrong and made amends for it, especially in a case like this where nobody's gotten harmed.
This is too reasonable for me. You need to call someone a pubbie shitheel or we're revoking your Griefer A1 status that allows you to buy off pubbies from the 10billion isk So Sorry wallet.
OH NO IS THIS AN OPEN FORUM? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3511
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:24:00 -
[936] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote: he is a lawyer paralegal after all. Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime.
i too can make things up "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:25:00 -
[937] - Quote
Xython wrote:
Oh wait, it's Mittani, so literally anything he does is "TEH WORST THING EVER." Stupid pubbie sheep.
Well, um, YEAH, that's sort of how politics works broh... you become a "representative of the community" and then you stand up and pull some sh-t like that.
I mean duh.
You can quit the propaganda any time. It doesn't work on me.
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Bane Necran
160
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:25:00 -
[938] - Quote
Xython wrote:I think we need to get a grip. All he did was make a tasteless joke. You assholes act like he pulled out a kitten and performed a live vivisection or something.
Well, he is openly a sadist, so should we take the chance it might come to that? |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:26:00 -
[939] - Quote
de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation.
Just going to leave that there.
> his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
628
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:26:00 -
[940] - Quote
Apology accepted, fake or not. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. You are a liability to CCP, CSM and the rest of the players.
Enjoy your soon to be ban.
|
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:26:00 -
[941] - Quote
de4deye wrote:this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other
The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
I'm starting to seriously question if anybody's reading the actual apology. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1203
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:26:00 -
[942] - Quote
Dalketh wrote: Wow lost all my respect with that one Liang - so do anything say anything but if you apologize all is fine? Can't believe you said something like that. It's the opposite of what I thought of you. :/
I'm sorry that you feel that way. The simple fact of the matter is that The Mittani is a positive influence for the game and him stepping down from the CSM would be to everyone's detriment. Furthermore, if the person in question is willing to let it go why aren't you?
Do you have all the facts? If not, read my blog - I tried to present all relevant facts across the entire story. http://liangnuren.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/the-mittani-hero/
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:26:00 -
[943] - Quote
Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote: he is a lawyer paralegal after all. Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime. i too can make things up
Hee hee they call me mister footlong. |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:27:00 -
[944] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:
Wis is fine and more or less stumbled into 10.7 billion isk out of the blue today. Maybe if Wis had actually killed himself, or made some sort of attempt on his life, then all this damn indignation and moral superiority would be proper, but nobody came out of this worse for the wear. Mittani learned a lesson about how maybe he shouldn't get drunk off his **** on a live broadcast, that he should choose his words carefully, and now CCP and his peers in the CSM can decide what happens from this point. Everyone screaming and hollering that he NEEDS to step down and how he's a shame and disgusting and whatnot are showing their own immaturity for not being able to forgive a man who's admitted he did wrong and made amends for it, especially in a case like this where nobody's gotten harmed.
I think not. This isn't a lot of indignation about Mittens being a drunken fool. We already knew that, or at least suspected it.
This is about the chair of our CSM - the guy who is an ambassador for the EVE gaming community - carrying out a cyber-bullying attack at Fanfest, live to camera, and the world's gaming media. It's a hot issue, and EVE already has a bad rep for it, thanks to Mitten's antics in-game. Getting caught doing the same thing out of game is just a disaster for the game, for CCP, for us the community, and probably for Alex personally.
It's nothing to do with moral indignation. It's all to do with disappointment and bad press.
Stealth edit - All political careers end in failure. Mitten's political career in the CSM looks like it just did. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
198
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:27:00 -
[945] - Quote
Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote: he is a lawyer paralegal after all. Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime. i too can make things up
Last time he was bragging about being a bigshot DC lawyer, he was a paralegal. That was a few years ago though. If he's gotten his degree, I'd like to hear from which school. Proof or gtfo. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:27:00 -
[946] - Quote
lol I can't help but laugh at all the people making excuses for Mitanni. You all sound like you have battered wife syndrome...
"It was the alcohol, we were all drinking!"
"CCP pushed the freakshow/carnival thing!"
Yeah, if it wasn't for any of that, Mittens would like... magically not be a horrible person. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:27:00 -
[947] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Apology accepted, fake or not. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. You are a liability to CCP, CSM and the rest of the players.
Enjoy your soon to be ban.
He won't get banned for this. |
Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:27:00 -
[948] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Yeah, things like maturity and perspective suck don't they.
Don't worry, eventually you'll get there too.
*fiddles with video game (a child's toy) about pretend space ships* |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:27:00 -
[949] - Quote
Quote:gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet.
It costs less than two hundred US dollars to buy 10 billion ISK.
That is not real money.
I find the claim of the Mittani that this amount is meaningful extremely insulting.
"Sure I BLEEPED your girlfriend, but here is a whole two hundred dollars!"
"Wow dude, that's like big money, no problem!"
"Really?"
"No. Not really." |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
34
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:28:00 -
[950] - Quote
de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation.
It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose. |
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
129
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:28:00 -
[951] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:The Mittani wrote:*consumes relevant media* ... "ZOMGZ guys, I am so sorry, I didn't realize, I didn't mean to be so flippant, I was drunk and didn't remember. If you can't see how he's trying to use it as an excuse, you're either 1) ignorant or 2) being willfully ignorant in an attempt to obfuscate and smokescreen.
Quoting to confirm that you didn't read anything that you didn't want to read to feed your agenda. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:28:00 -
[952] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:lol I can't help but laugh at all the people making excuses for Mitanni. You all sound like you have battered wife syndrome...
"It was the alcohol, we were all drinking!"
"CCP pushed the freakshow/carnival thing!"
Yeah, if it wasn't for any of that, Mittens would like... magically not be a horrible person.
Battered wife assumes he is hitting me instead of arranging for all of my ship losses to magically be payed for. And all I have to do is show up on ops nothing because peacetime reimbursement is pretty boss. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
143
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:28:00 -
[953] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Apology accepted, fake or not. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. You are a liability to CCP, CSM and the rest of the players.
Enjoy your soon to be ban.
I sense butthurt. Still mad about flight of a hundred zealots? |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:29:00 -
[954] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:This is too reasonable for me. You need to call someone a pubbie shitheel or we're revoking your Griefer A1 status that allows you to buy off pubbies from the 10billion isk So Sorry wallet.
OH NO IS THIS AN OPEN FORUM?
I know I'm a horrible goon, I keep careposting on EVEO :smithicide: |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:29:00 -
[955] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet. It costs less than two hundred US dollars to buy 10 billion ISK. That is not real money. I find the claim of the Mittani that this amount is meaningful extremely insulting. "Sure I BLEEPED your girlfriend, but here is a whole two hundred dollars!" "Wow dude, that's like big money, no problem!" "Really?" "No. Not really."
The Mittani ****** his girlfriend!
This changes everything.
Is she hot? |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:30:00 -
[956] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote: he is a lawyer paralegal after all. Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime. i too can make things up Last time he was bragging about being a bigshot DC lawyer, he was a paralegal. That was a few years ago though. If he's gotten his degree, I'd like to hear from which school. Proof or gtfo.
He has probably discovered that law degrees from schools that aren't part of the Big Law top schools are nearly worthless in America today.
If he has crushing debts as a result of foolishly believing the stupid lies pouring from the media then I suppose I have some sympathy for him.
Of course he only has that debt because he was stupid enough to take their stupid lies seriously. And I could say much nastier things if I wanted to speak like a typical Goon. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
143
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:30:00 -
[957] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet. It costs less than two hundred US dollars to buy 10 billion ISK. That is not real money. I find the claim of the Mittani that this amount is meaningful extremely insulting. "Sure I BLEEPED your girlfriend, but here is a whole two hundred dollars!" "Wow dude, that's like big money, no problem!" "Really?" "No. Not really."
Thought I would never have to resort to this. ITS A ******* GAME YOU MORON |
Lifeson
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:30:00 -
[958] - Quote
Yes, yes... this is a good start, Mittens. But I think CCP also owes us an apology, as does the entire GoonSwarm alliance.
And also Lowtax. |
Souvera Corvus
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
16
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:30:00 -
[959] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Dalketh wrote:Correct - his drunkenness is no excuse. We read the post and agree. It is no excuse. None. Agreeing with you dude. It was no excuse at all and he admits it. So that some 'get out of jail free card'? Explain that non-logic? No, it's not a get out of jail free card. However, the fact that he has publically apologized for being a shitheel, gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet, and now will discuss what should happen with the CSM and CCP IS. Wis is fine and more or less stumbled into 10.7 billion isk out of the blue today. Maybe if Wis had actually killed himself, or made some sort of attempt on his life, then all this damn indignation and moral superiority would be proper, but nobody came out of this worse for the wear. Mittani learned a lesson about how maybe he shouldn't get drunk off his **** on a live broadcast, that he should choose his words carefully, and now CCP and his peers in the CSM can decide what happens from this point. Everyone screaming and hollering that he NEEDS to step down and how he's a shame and disgusting and whatnot are showing their own immaturity for not being able to forgive a man who's admitted he did wrong and made amends for it, especially in a case like this where nobody's gotten harmed.
Sensible stuff.
Don't totally agree with the last sentence however.
He will be asked to make further amends I'd imagine, stepping down from Chairman probably. Have to keep his mouth shut for a bit and concentrate on pissing people off in-game likely but talk of perma-bans are way off the mark. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3513
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:31:00 -
[960] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote: he is a lawyer paralegal after all. Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime. i too can make things up Last time he was bragging about being a bigshot DC lawyer, he was a paralegal. That was a few years ago though. If he's gotten his degree, I'd like to hear from which school. Proof or gtfo.
If only bar associations listed lawyers licensed to practice law. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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VeiledFlare
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:31:00 -
[961] - Quote
Mittani
If I believed you actually care about the game and it's future development for the entertainment of all, rather than for the select group of individuals with similar immature and reckless atttudes you represent, then I'd believe the apology.
If you really care about the game and not just your self interest, man up and resign immediately. Go off and carry on roleplaying the super villain, which of course I believe panders to your childish egomaniacal sense of worth. By all means, continue leading the herd of bleating sheep you call an alliance to glory, just don't think you can pander to the masses ("pubbies"?) or CCP and worm your way out of a display of total real life arrogance and lack of decency.
CCP if this foolish individual continues to hold onto his CSM title it will make a mockery of the organisation. I strongly suggest he is asked to resign.
x
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:32:00 -
[962] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote: he is a lawyer paralegal after all. Fixed that for ya. True story, ask him sometime. i too can make things up Last time he was bragging about being a bigshot DC lawyer, he was a paralegal. That was a few years ago though. If he's gotten his degree, I'd like to hear from which school. Proof or gtfo. He has probably discovered that law degrees from schools that aren't part of the Big Law top schools are nearly worthless in America today. If he has crushing debts as a result of foolishly believing the stupid lies pouring from the media then I suppose I have some sympathy for him.
I overheard some guy suggesting his kid become a Lawyer the other day because "People are always suing eachother!"
Meanwhile I know three or four helpdesk IT guys that passed the bar... |
Dalketh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:32:00 -
[963] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:de4deye wrote:this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine. I'm starting to seriously question if anybody's reading the actual apology.
You seem to be one of those people that no matter what the offense, 'I am sorry' is supposed to make everyone accept it as fine and dandy.
Eve people are better than that.
|
Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:32:00 -
[964] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:This is too reasonable for me. You need to call someone a pubbie shitheel or we're revoking your Griefer A1 status that allows you to buy off pubbies from the 10billion isk So Sorry wallet.
OH NO IS THIS AN OPEN FORUM? I know I'm a horrible goon, I keep careposting on EVEO :smithicide:
you also have a repulsive furry name |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1272
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:32:00 -
[965] - Quote
Wirbin wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Yeah, things like maturity and perspective suck don't they.
Don't worry, eventually you'll get there too.
*fiddles with video game (a child's toy) about pretend space ships*
Apparently comments made in and about this child's toy are serious business. Serious enough for some twits to suggest criminal action be taken.
Fortunately, some adults are present to babysit. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:32:00 -
[966] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet. It costs less than two hundred US dollars to buy 10 billion ISK. That is not real money. I find the claim of the Mittani that this amount is meaningful extremely insulting. "Sure I BLEEPED your girlfriend, but here is a whole two hundred dollars!" "Wow dude, that's like big money, no problem!" "Really?" "No. Not really." Thought I would never have to resort to this. ITS A ******* GAME YOU MORON
I watched the youtube video. Graphics sure have come a long way.
THAT was in-game? Wow. |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:32:00 -
[967] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:lol I can't help but laugh at all the people making excuses for Mitanni. You all sound like you have battered wife syndrome...
"It was the alcohol, we were all drinking!"
"CCP pushed the freakshow/carnival thing!"
Yeah, if it wasn't for any of that, Mittens would like... magically not be a horrible person. Battered wife assumes he is hitting me instead of arranging for all of my ship losses to magically be payed for. And all I have to do is show up on ops nothing because peacetime reimbursement is pretty boss.
10.7 billiong ISK... "arranging for all of my ship losses to magically be payed for"...
I'm starting to see a pattern here...
Hey Mittens, can I be your friend too? Oh wait - I'm not for sale, sorry.
|
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:32:00 -
[968] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:I like how everyone is glossing over the fact that Mittens did not give a f-ck about what he did until he realized that he'd really screwed up after watching all the relevant media on it. He's not sorry because he realizes what he did was wrong and feels bad about what he did and realizes that he's a horrible person - he's sorry because it had personal and "professional" consequences. What he's doing with this apology is trying to mitigate the damage.
I mean this is a guy who admittedly enjoys ruining the game for other people, and has admitted that that's why he plays this game.
Get your heads out of the sand. All Goonswarm is is propaganda - they even have youtube videos about it making fun of the EVE playerbase for being dumb and falling for it.
This is amazing. According to your logic anyone ever who shows regret and apologizes must be disbelieved because they might have a hidden agenda. The world you live in is a sad one: Nobody can ever feel sorry for what they did, because nobody will ever believe them. When a young boy hits his little sister and apologizes, the parents beat him/yell at him/punish him harder because he is obviously now lying. Your pessimism is more troubling than Mittens' low alcohol tolerance.
Get real. All the crappy anti-mittens trolls either have something to gain and are hypocritical (Darius III), are blatantly half-intelligent brothel runners (Jade Constantine) or already hated the Mittani and goons to begin with. It's nice to see that there are a large group of people who can see the apology for what it is and move on with their lives.
Also, Krutoj owns hard. Make this man Chairman when Mittens resigns. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:32:00 -
[969] - Quote
VeiledFlare wrote:Mittani
If I believed you actually care about the game and it's future development for the entertainment of all, rather than for the select group of individuals with similar immature and reckless atttudes you represent, then I'd believe the apology.
If you really care about the game and not just your self interest, man up and resign immediately. Go off and carry on roleplaying the super villain, which of course I believe panders to your childish egomaniacal sense of worth. By all means, continue leading the herd of bleating sheep you call an alliance to glory, just don't think you can pander to the masses ("pubbies"?) or CCP and worm your way out of a display of total real life arrogance and lack of decency.
CCP if this foolish individual continues to hold onto his CSM title it will make a mockery of the organisation. I strongly suggest he is asked to resign.
x
You willingly follow Darius III.
Case closed. |
Onix Pokemon
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:33:00 -
[970] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Apology accepted, fake or not. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. You are a liability to CCP, CSM and the rest of the players.
Enjoy your soon to be ban.
I never got a PLEX and I could really use one since im a newbie and suck at eve. can I please have that PLEX that was promised? |
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Aargolos
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:33:00 -
[971] - Quote
This is hilarious.
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
628
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:33:00 -
[972] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Apology accepted, fake or not. Unfortunately, the damage has been done. You are a liability to CCP, CSM and the rest of the players.
Enjoy your soon to be ban. I sense butthurt. Still mad about flight of a hundred zealots?
I sense butthurt, about your wasted vote.
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Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:33:00 -
[973] - Quote
I just noticed, Ranger 1 looks like Odo from Deep Space Nine. |
Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
61
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:34:00 -
[974] - Quote
Media: Gosh, look what happened!
CCP: ****, we're legally liable for a fuckload of money if this goes to court. Plus it's already a lot of bad press. Get me Mittens on the phone or Skype or whatever the kids call it these days, RIGHT NOW!
Mittens: Yes?
CCP: Look, man, you really put your foot in your mouth in front of the entire world, and we kind of encouraged it. We're in a bind now, because of it, and we may have to remove you from your chairman position in order to save face and have something that may hold a shred of a defense in court. Please talk to The Whiz or whatever his name is and make sure he won't press charges.
Mittens: Alright, I'll apologize and give him lots of ISK and really try to butter him up and make she he's not feeling fiesty.
CCP: Thanks, Mittens old chum. Now let's just hope that this blows over very quietly.
Media: HEY EVERYONE! CCP ENCOURAGES YOU TO COMMIT SUICIDE!
...
It's not Mittens we should be mad at here, folks. It's CCP. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Roffle Lawler
Elitist Oops
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:34:00 -
[975] - Quote
Let's hope that The Mittani's ousting will be the first step in ridding Eve of Goons.
Also, reset TEST. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:34:00 -
[976] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote: edited for clarity ...
Furthermore, if the person in question is willing to let it go why aren't you?
-Liang
Probably because we weren't paid 10B ISK to let it go.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:35:00 -
[977] - Quote
God, what if mittens kills himself because of all the pubbie shitposting... |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
198
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:36:00 -
[978] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Xython wrote:I think we need to get a grip. All he did was make a tasteless joke. You assholes act like he pulled out a kitten and performed a live vivisection or something. Well, he is openly a sadist, so should we take the chance it might come to that?
No, he's not really a sadist now. He says so in his apology. Nevermind what he's said on forums and podcasts to the contrary in the past. That was all just roleplaying. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:36:00 -
[979] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:@TheMittani Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Amity Lane wrote: The truth is, unfortunately, the one thing nobody is really confronting:
Resignations promised: 1 Resignations: 0
Well...how 'bout it? If you're stepping down, announce it. If not, announce that you aren't. Either way, you're just delaying the inevitable. |
Roffle Lawler
Elitist Oops
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:36:00 -
[980] - Quote
Mechael wrote:Media: Gosh, look what happened!
CCP: ****, we're legally liable for a fuckload of money if this goes to court. Plus it's already a lot of bad press. Get me Mittens on the phone or Skype or whatever the kids call it these days, RIGHT NOW!
Mittens: Yes?
CCP: Look, man, you really put your foot in your mouth in front of the entire world, and we kind of encouraged it. We're in a bind now, because of it, and we may have to remove you from your chairman position in order to save face and have something that may hold a shred of a defense in court. Please talk to The Whiz or whatever his name is and make sure he won't press charges.
Mittens: Alright, I'll apologize and give him lots of ISK and really try to butter him up and make she he's not feeling fiesty.
CCP: Thanks, Mittens old chum. Now let's just hope that this blows over very quietly.
Media: HEY EVERYONE! CCP ENCOURAGES YOU TO COMMIT SUICIDE!
...
It's not Mittens we should be mad at here, folks. It's CCP.
I blame the suicidal miner for doing something as ******* life-sucking as running a mining operation.
Seriously I would be on the edge of offing myself if my Eve: Online experience consisted of keeping my miners cycling and hauling ore to the station and back.
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Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:37:00 -
[981] - Quote
VeiledFlare wrote:Mittani If I believed you actually care about the game and it's future development for the entertainment of all, rather than for the select group of individuals with similar immature and reckless atttudes you represent, then I'd believe the apology.
The votes show that the word you are looking for is "vast majority" not "select group of individuals." |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 04:37:00 -
[982] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:Liang Nuren wrote: edited for clarity ...
Furthermore, if the person in question is willing to let it go why aren't you?
-Liang Probably because we weren't paid 10B ISK to let it go.
More like because you feel a desperate need to white knight someone who doesn't need a white knight and a fanatical need to bring the Mittani for any number of reasons. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1274
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:37:00 -
[983] - Quote
de4deye wrote:de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose.
Would that be be the poor suicidal person that joked about his "I want to die after my divorce" statement?
Or the poor suicidal person who was completely unaware that he was supposedly being "cyber bullied", and could care less about all this nonsense? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
35
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:37:00 -
[984] - Quote
This sick and sadistic attitude of Mittani's is hopefully not just his "roleplaying as a bad guy" ideals coming out in real life. If this would be the case, it would imply that he is in a deep state of psychosis and is unfit to be a public figure to stress the opinions of multitudes of people. I certainly do not condone this behavior as acceptable. As said before, "The real you comes out when you are drunk". |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
201
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:37:00 -
[985] - Quote
Every hour that goes by without a resignation makes this worse for Eve. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
398
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:38:00 -
[986] - Quote
Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse. Except he said his drunkenness is no excuse for how he acted in the ******* apology. It'd be awesome if any of you people bothered to read his post instead of immediately coming in to crucify a guy who's genuinely sorry about ******* up. But in the beginning he says "I was drunk and didn't remember." Is being drunk an excuse or not? It seems like he can't make his mind up about it. It seems he's only apologizing because he f-cked up in a major way in front of everyone. If this had been some private matter and he showed a powerpoint at a Goonswarm convention, and someone quietly blogged about it, do you think he'd be writing a formal, public apology? F-ck no. Amazing how many sockpuppets are also telepaths. I think we need to get a grip. All he did was make a tasteless joke. You assholes act like he pulled out a kitten and performed a live vivisection or something. Oh wait, it's Mittani, so literally anything he does is "TEH WORST THING EVER." Stupid pubbie sheep. Also: Reported for censorship bypass.
I act like he publicly disgraced an online community that I am a part of and ask for it to be dealt with accordingly.
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:38:00 -
[987] - Quote
Dalketh wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:de4deye wrote:this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine. I'm starting to seriously question if anybody's reading the actual apology. You seem to be one of those people that no matter what the offense, 'I am sorry' is supposed to make everyone accept it as fine and dandy. Eve people are better than that.
Are we? |
Jacob Staffuer
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:39:00 -
[988] - Quote
Some Morons wrote:The victim wasn't upset about it so it's okay; no crime was committed.
Oh so if I "surprise sex" your mom, it's not a crime if she "wasn't that upset".
I get it: We can go around and do whatever we want, as long as it doesn't upset people.
But wait, doesn't that run contrary to Goonswarm Doctrine?
Heh I think I'm just about done here. Too much cognitive dissonance.
Mittens has always been a horrible person and his true colors finally shown through that smiling, charismatic veneer he puts on.
o/ Bye guys! |
Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:39:00 -
[989] - Quote
Roffle Lawler wrote: I blame the suicidal miner for doing something as ******* life-sucking as running a mining operation.
Seriously I would be on the edge of offing myself if my Eve: Online experience consisted of keeping my miners cycling and hauling ore to the station and back.
It's a terrible game whether you mine or not. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:39:00 -
[990] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Xython wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:de4deye wrote:The reality is that a person's life matters much more than this game, no matter how much goon trolls want to try to cover up these posts. This is not a 12 step program, it doesn't matter that mittens was drunk - it is no good excuse to make fun of a suicidal person. Mittani knew what he did was wrong, which is why he is trying to cover his tracks with a quick and simplistic "I was drunk, wasn't my fault, I'm a victim too" excuse. Except he said his drunkenness is no excuse for how he acted in the ******* apology. It'd be awesome if any of you people bothered to read his post instead of immediately coming in to crucify a guy who's genuinely sorry about ******* up. But in the beginning he says "I was drunk and didn't remember." Is being drunk an excuse or not? It seems like he can't make his mind up about it. It seems he's only apologizing because he f-cked up in a major way in front of everyone. If this had been some private matter and he showed a powerpoint at a Goonswarm convention, and someone quietly blogged about it, do you think he'd be writing a formal, public apology? F-ck no. Amazing how many sockpuppets are also telepaths. I think we need to get a grip. All he did was make a tasteless joke. You assholes act like he pulled out a kitten and performed a live vivisection or something. Oh wait, it's Mittani, so literally anything he does is "TEH WORST THING EVER." Stupid pubbie sheep. Also: Reported for censorship bypass. I act like he publicly disgraced an online community that I am a part of and ask for it to be dealt with accordingly.
Oh noes, you have been disgraced in the internet! Call the government! |
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Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:39:00 -
[991] - Quote
Pretty sure any not-major-CEO-and-or-EVE-historical-figure would have been banned for such actions. Double standard much? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1274
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:40:00 -
[992] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:I just noticed, Ranger 1 looks like Odo from Deep Space Nine.
I claim foul, and possible emotional scarring. Be warned. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Kojach Baumherr
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:40:00 -
[993] - Quote
bullshit. perhaps the part at the end about getting him to kill himself was just a stupid drunken joke, but the public ridicule in the first place was premeditated while sober and is exactly the behavior people have come to expect from goons anyway |
VeiledFlare
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:41:00 -
[994] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:VeiledFlare wrote:Mittani
If I believed you actually care about the game and it's future development for the entertainment of all, rather than for the select group of individuals with similar immature and reckless atttudes you represent, then I'd believe the apology.
If you really care about the game and not just your self interest, man up and resign immediately. Go off and carry on roleplaying the super villain, which of course I believe panders to your childish egomaniacal sense of worth. By all means, continue leading the herd of bleating sheep you call an alliance to glory, just don't think you can pander to the masses ("pubbies"?) or CCP and worm your way out of a display of total real life arrogance and lack of decency.
CCP if this foolish individual continues to hold onto his CSM title it will make a mockery of the organisation. I strongly suggest he is asked to resign.
x
You willingly follow Darius III. Case closed.
Darius doesn't lead anything. He's a bit of a tosser who likes a laugh on comms and pays for SBUs, with absolutely no interest in being anyones leader. In fact he's the antithese of leadership. Try harder. In fact don' t try harder I don't indulge in forum arguments. Case stated, opinion expressed. End of convo.
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:41:00 -
[995] - Quote
de4deye wrote:This sick and sadistic attitude of Mittani's is hopefully not just his "roleplaying as a bad guy" ideals coming out in real life. If this would be the case, it would imply that he is in a deep state of psychosis and is unfit to be a public figure to stress the opinions of multitudes of people. I certainly do not condone this behavior as acceptable. As said before, "The real you comes out when you are drunk".
Hey, sometimes when I drink beer I get belligerent and yell alot. Sometimes when I drink hard alcohol I get super irritating and annoy the **** out of my friends. So even though I am a level-headed rather shy person when sober, I am really an irritating ******* underneath. I have female friends who get more frisky when they drink. When sober they are very proper women, does that mean they are all really sluts?
I think what you are trying to say is that the worst comes out of people when they are drunk, not necessary their "real" personality. Otherwise what am I to think of your mom when I got her hammered? |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:41:00 -
[996] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:de4deye wrote:de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose. Would that be be the poor suicidal person that joked about his "I want to die after my divorce statement"? Or the poor suicidal person who was completely unaware that he was supposedly being "cyber bullied", and could care less about all this nonsense?
I did a double take, the logic almost seemed to good to be true. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
628
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:42:00 -
[997] - Quote
Wirbin wrote:VeiledFlare wrote:Mittani If I believed you actually care about the game and it's future development for the entertainment of all, rather than for the select group of individuals with similar immature and reckless atttudes you represent, then I'd believe the apology.
The votes show that the word you are looking for is "vast majority" not "select group of individuals."
In a game of 360,000 players... 10,000 is hardly a vast majority.
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Kyle Valentine
Aliastra Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:42:00 -
[998] - Quote
What a showman this Mittani ! Now everyone in EVE, even those who never go to the forums, will know about that, and made an opinion. And GÇ£Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.GÇ¥ It's all good.
At last, he wasn't nude and dancing on the table ! |
Zanmaru
Broski North Black Legion.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:42:00 -
[999] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:de4deye wrote:de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose. Would that be be the poor suicidal person that joked about his "I want to die after my divorce statement"? Or the poor suicidal person who was completely unaware that he was supposedly being "cyber bullied", and could care less about all this nonsense?
Quote something the guy actually said or shut up. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
143
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:42:00 -
[1000] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:gave the dude who we blew up and who he went 'Hey go harass this guy heh' 10.7 billion isk, everything he had in his personal wallet. It costs less than two hundred US dollars to buy 10 billion ISK. That is not real money. I find the claim of the Mittani that this amount is meaningful extremely insulting. "Sure I BLEEPED your girlfriend, but here is a whole two hundred dollars!" "Wow dude, that's like big money, no problem!" "Really?" "No. Not really." Thought I would never have to resort to this. ITS A ******* GAME YOU MORON I watched the youtube video. Graphics sure have come a long way. THAT was in-game? Wow.
You are the one bitching that the amount of isk given as compensation wasn't worth enough RL money.
10 bil is a lot of isk for an individual. What were you expecting, the entire goonswarm alliance wallet being emptied? The guy wasn't even hurt by this, in fact he seemed to enjoy the attention from the logs I read. |
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equcin meey
camdy and Co. inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:43:00 -
[1001] - Quote
what i find interesting about this whole thing is if michael bolton had said it no one would of gave 2 ***** about
alex apologised and i for one expect it, yes i have depression and what ever that phober (or how ever you spell it)is that you find it hard to be around people and even harder to leave the house,hell i play mmo's sole because its harder an take alot of energy to be social.
do i want you to feel sorry for me no and alot of blokes out their that have the same thing don't want people to feel sorry for them or be all softly with them that makes it worse we just want to be treated like anybody else and that for me really pisses me off about how you guys have blown this WAY out an made out like alex is the worst person in the world even more than ******.
the real issue here is that the miner in question has a real issue that he is either not ready to except or is in the process of dealing with it.Nor do we know what has happened in this guys life to put him in this state,the thing that he is running 22 accounts and says he is not botting worries me more than what a drunk eve player said.makes me wonder that he is trying to use eve to hide away from dealing with real life.
yes it takes a real man to apologise for their behaviour an willingness to fall on their on sword for their actions and i call the rest of you alex hater's a bunch of gutless wonders and cowards and i would even look at how some of you have behaved during this as being just as bad an maybe even worse.
no i don't like goons nor the mittani but i know that everyone loves to hate them at least publicly anyway. support the Lego Rifter-á
http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/11619 |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:43:00 -
[1002] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Nick Bison wrote:Liang Nuren wrote: edited for clarity ...
Furthermore, if the person in question is willing to let it go why aren't you?
-Liang Probably because we weren't paid 10B ISK to let it go. More like because you feel a desperate need to white knight someone who doesn't need a white knight and a fanatical need to bring the Mittani for any number of reasons.
It's called metagaming ... sucks pretty hard when you are on the receiving end. I'll just keep reading and pour me another glass of goon-tears.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:44:00 -
[1003] - Quote
yay post 1000. |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:44:00 -
[1004] - Quote
Pedro Chang wrote:Pretty sure any not-major-CEO-and-or-EVE-historical-figure would have been banned for such actions. Double standard much? Pretty sure random people harass other random people 24/7 in Eve. They call it "playing Eve". |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:44:00 -
[1005] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Wirbin wrote:VeiledFlare wrote:Mittani If I believed you actually care about the game and it's future development for the entertainment of all, rather than for the select group of individuals with similar immature and reckless atttudes you represent, then I'd believe the apology.
The votes show that the word you are looking for is "vast majority" not "select group of individuals." In a game of 360,000 players... 10,000 is hardly a vast majority.
It's just all the people who care enough about the game to vote. But yes, let's include all the Chinese botters and all the people who don't give a crap. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3515
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:44:00 -
[1006] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Every hour that goes by without a resignation makes this worse for Eve.
please continue to speculate on his personal life and career
seeing how obsessed you are with the EVIL LEADER OF THE GOONS is amusing "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
205
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:46:00 -
[1007] - Quote
So when CCP contacted you and told you that your ass better apologize on forums ASAP, what was the first thought that ran through your mind? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
164
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:46:00 -
[1008] - Quote
I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals. |
Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:47:00 -
[1009] - Quote
Voith wrote:Pedro Chang wrote:Pretty sure any not-major-CEO-and-or-EVE-historical-figure would have been banned for such actions. Double standard much? Pretty sure random people harass other random people 24/7 in Eve. They call it "playing Eve". Pretty sure most don't go to real life events and represent the game company (+ the community for that matter), while making fun of someone openly who may or may not be suicidal. Any "non-major-player" would be banned immediately. People get banned for way less than that. In game is one thing. IRL is another entirely... |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:47:00 -
[1010] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:So when CCP contacted you and told you that your ass better apologize on forums ASAP, what was the first thought that ran through your mind?
How do you know that CCP made him apologize?
Do you have proof he was forced? Or are you making a bad assumption based on preconceived notions? |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1275
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:48:00 -
[1011] - Quote
Zanmaru wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:de4deye wrote:de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose. Would that be be the poor suicidal person that joked about his "I want to die after my divorce statement"? Or the poor suicidal person who was completely unaware that he was supposedly being "cyber bullied", and could care less about all this nonsense? Quote something the guy actually said or shut up.
Learn to read. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:48:00 -
[1012] - Quote
Jacob Staffuer wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Jacob Staffuer wrote:lol I can't help but laugh at all the people making excuses for Mitanni. You all sound like you have battered wife syndrome...
"It was the alcohol, we were all drinking!"
"CCP pushed the freakshow/carnival thing!"
Yeah, if it wasn't for any of that, Mittens would like... magically not be a horrible person. Battered wife assumes he is hitting me instead of arranging for all of my ship losses to magically be payed for. And all I have to do is show up on ops nothing because peacetime reimbursement is pretty boss. 10.7 billiong ISK... "arranging for all of my ship losses to magically be payed for"... I'm starting to see a pattern here... Hey Mittens, can I be your friend too? Oh wait - I'm not for sale, sorry.
Oh god the horror of a man gives me free ships. Clearly he has bought my soul with precious isku. My being in Goonswarm Federation has nothing to do with me being a Goon and everything to do with the money he gives me.
You have pierced to the heart of this matter.
To The Heart.
Alternatively you are stupid and don't get why Goons may be in Goonswarm Federation. Hint: If the Mittani was gone tomorrow I'd still be in Goonswarm Federation. If CCP fired CCP Sreegs and he rode over the hilltop with a bumblebee banner and shot Mittani in his head, then took over: I'd still be in Goonswarm. It doesn't matter who's in charge. Goons join Eve to play in a sandbox with Goons. Maybe you people despite dealing with our clannishness and being called pubbies every five seconds haven't figured that out yet. Maybe no one explained it properly.
Let me help. Goons are members of the SomethingAwful forum community. This community was one of the early "Viral" style sites, creating such lasting (Crap) meme's such as AllYourBase, and spawning offshoot communities (4chan is our bastard child). Most of us never played Eve, or if we did we logged in, shot a rock then quit. Eventually Goons decided "Ok we're kinda known for our wicked cutting edge (in 2001) humor, I bet if we joined a bunch of us together in this Sandbox we could really start kicking some sandcastles over" and lo that's exactly what we did.
Meanwhile other goons read about the Evegoon antics (Disbanding Bob, the Great War, Destroying Kenzoku, Destroying IT alliance, Spies, Metagame, Griefing, Ganks, ETC) and from outside it sounds like a very hilarious, active and vibrant community (it's all a trap to lure newbies in) even to the point of following those antics for years but never playing until eventually hearing all of the war stories hit critical mass and you ask someone for a trial code.
So here it is layed out: you are dumb. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
143
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:48:00 -
[1013] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:So when CCP contacted you and told you that your ass better apologize on forums ASAP, what was the first thought that ran through your mind?
You might be waiting awhile on that response. Its pretty late where he lives and I would imagine hes probably jetlagged to hell and staring at the back of his eyelids.
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Lolmer
Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:48:00 -
[1014] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote: wrote:Essentially no one cared about his alliance panel presentation until 2 days ex post facto, which by some miracle coincidence, happens to be when everyone found out that Mittani would be returning as our CSM chair. not true, i watched the livestream and was disgusted. i posted something into the FB chat (dont remember exactly what). also, CSM7 was announced on saturday. its not your fault you weren't paying attention due to arrogance.
You are ********. The Alliance Panel where this happened was on Thursday and the CSM 7 announcement was on Saturday. That sounds like two days to me (Thursday -> Friday, +1, Friday -> Saturday, +2, hrmm...math!).
See http://fanfest.eveonline.com/en/events/evetvschedule for QED. |
Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:48:00 -
[1015] - Quote
Although i sympathize with the individual in question, if a player is not able to psychologically handle a loss whether its by scam, combat, etc, Eve is not the game for them. Eve is brutal and unforgiving and that is what draws us to this game. Our community must be mindful on how we conduct ourselves in the public venue as well. CCP has some blame here as well since they seem foster or even encourage drinking at fanfest, so incidents like come as no surprise. But in the end reasonable restraint and sound judgement falls on the individual. |
Roffle Lawler
Elitist Oops
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:49:00 -
[1016] - Quote
If The Mittani doesn't resign I am literally going to kill myself.
And my cat.
Edit: IRL |
haysis
Unforgotten. SoulWing Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:49:00 -
[1017] - Quote
personally, I could really care less what was said. But the fact is, if you look at the comments on any of the gaming sights this was posted on. Its given eve a pretty large black eye. I didn't even know about this till one of my friends who dosent even play Eve told me about it.
I really don't think he should have to step down my self, but now that's is been blown up soo much....hes pretty much gonna have too at this point for CCP to save face. |
Kel hound
Traveler 52 D-Collective
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:49:00 -
[1018] - Quote
Apology accepted. Inebriated or not what you said was beyond ****-move. That said, goon or not this was a heart-felt apology.
You better not be still gunning for chairman after a cluster-**** like this though! I mean **** dude, apology or not what you said (drunk or not) was tantamount to political suicide. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:50:00 -
[1019] - Quote
Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals.
A crack team of icelandic commando's is at this very second moving in to strike and extradite him to poland or where the **** ever. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:50:00 -
[1020] - Quote
Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals.
Shittens. DOH HO HOHO, YOU SIR, ARE THE EPITOME OF WIT.
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
205
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:50:00 -
[1021] - Quote
Pedro Chang wrote:Voith wrote:Pedro Chang wrote:Pretty sure any not-major-CEO-and-or-EVE-historical-figure would have been banned for such actions. Double standard much? Pretty sure random people harass other random people 24/7 in Eve. They call it "playing Eve". Pretty sure most don't go to real life events and represent the game company (+ the community for that matter), while making fun of someone openly who may or may not be suicidal. Any "non-major-player" would be banned immediately. People get banned for way less than that. In game is one thing. IRL is another entirely...
Hasn't CCP already banned people just for saying "Kill yourself" in forums to someone? So, he's going to get away with encouraging thousands of people to "make this guy kill himself" via griefing? Frankly if he is NOT banned, it's a complete hypocrisy on CCP's part, as well as not-so-subtle official condonation of what he did. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:51:00 -
[1022] - Quote
Roffle Lawler wrote:If The Mittani doesn't resign I am literally going to kill myself.
And my cat.
Edit: IRL
Can I be your second? |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
35
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:51:00 -
[1023] - Quote
Xython wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals. Shittens. DOH HO HOHO, YOU SIR, ARE THE EPITOME OF WIT.
... "Deal with it" |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:52:00 -
[1024] - Quote
Kel hound wrote:Apology accepted. Inebriated or not what you said was beyond ****-move. That said, goon or not this was a heart-felt apology.
You better not be still gunning for chairman after a cluster-**** like this though! I mean **** dude, apology or not what you said (drunk or not) was tantamount to political suicide.
No Troll (and probably the only post I've made so far I can say that honestly to): He's trying to pass the Chairmanship off but more than one person has refused it. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
398
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:52:00 -
[1025] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:de4deye wrote:de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose. Would that be be the poor suicidal person that joked about his "I want to die after my divorce statement"? Or the poor suicidal person who was completely unaware that he was supposedly being "cyber bullied", and could care less about all this nonsense?
Weather or not the person was suicidal is completely irrelevant to the argument from both a legal and PR standpoint. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:53:00 -
[1026] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Kel hound wrote:Apology accepted. Inebriated or not what you said was beyond ****-move. That said, goon or not this was a heart-felt apology.
You better not be still gunning for chairman after a cluster-**** like this though! I mean **** dude, apology or not what you said (drunk or not) was tantamount to political suicide. No Troll (and probably the only post I've made so far I can say that honestly to): He's trying to pass the Chairmanship off but more than one person has refused it.
He just doesn't want to give it to Trebor or Darius, cause that'd be a disaster. |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
220
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:53:00 -
[1027] - Quote
The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.
From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:53:00 -
[1028] - Quote
Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here. |
Aargolos
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:53:00 -
[1029] - Quote
I think it may have gone a bit too far.
That's all I have to say about that. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
220
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:54:00 -
[1030] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Xython wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals. Shittens. DOH HO HOHO, YOU SIR, ARE THE EPITOME OF WIT. ... "Deal with it"
:cripes: |
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YuuKnow
157
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:54:00 -
[1031] - Quote
1000 + replies in less than 5 hours. That has to be some sortof record.
yk |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:54:00 -
[1032] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:de4deye wrote:de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose. Would that be be the poor suicidal person that joked about his "I want to die after my divorce statement"? Or the poor suicidal person who was completely unaware that he was supposedly being "cyber bullied", and could care less about all this nonsense? Weather or not the person was suicidal is completely irrelevant to the argument from both a legal and PR standpoint.
Actually from a Legal standpoint it matters quite a bit.
PR... you are correct. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:54:00 -
[1033] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:de4deye wrote:de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose. Would that be be the poor suicidal person that joked about his "I want to die after my divorce statement"? Or the poor suicidal person who was completely unaware that he was supposedly being "cyber bullied", and could care less about all this nonsense? Weather or not the person was suicidal is completely irrelevant to the argument from both a legal and PR standpoint.
Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1275
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:55:00 -
[1034] - Quote
Roffle Lawler wrote:If The Mittani doesn't resign I am literally going to kill myself.
And my cat.
Edit: IRL
FOR GODS SAKE, SPARE THE CAT! When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
164
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:55:00 -
[1035] - Quote
Xython wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals. Shittens. DOH HO HOHO, YOU SIR, ARE THE EPITOME OF WIT. Actually, unlike your head honcho I don't claim fame for other peoples work. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:55:00 -
[1036] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here.
You do realize he's just resigning the chair right?
And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members? |
Shogun Archer
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:55:00 -
[1037] - Quote
Way to man up and apologize.
I know I just gained a lot more respect for you and your alliance. It's easy to hate the Goons if you aren't a Goon, and you guys propogate that, but thank you for doing the right thing.
Shogun If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:56:00 -
[1038] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here.
You know? Rick James?
"Crack *******, man. It's a helluva drug." |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:56:00 -
[1039] - Quote
Kel hound wrote:Apology accepted. Inebriated or not what you said was beyond ****-move. That said, goon or not this was a heart-felt apology.
How exactly do you know it was a heart-felt apology?
And I don't mean that like a Goon would. You know, demanding college degrees in psychology and knowing the person for decades and nonsense like that.
I mean in the "have you personally talked with this guy before or after he gave the apology" sense. As in, do I have any reason to believe you or place any credibility in what you have said? |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:56:00 -
[1040] - Quote
Aineko Macx wrote:Xython wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals. Shittens. DOH HO HOHO, YOU SIR, ARE THE EPITOME OF WIT. Actually, unlike your head honcho I don't claim fame for other peoples work.
Please, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD list all of the accomplishments Mittens has taken from other people. |
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Clark Derden
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:56:00 -
[1041] - Quote
Okay for all the sack of **** people who think Mittani should resign I say to you is take your white ass hats off and get the **** over it. **** was said and **** nothing is going to change it so deal with it. Move on for Christ sake. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:57:00 -
[1042] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here.
Me too~! |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:57:00 -
[1043] - Quote
When I used to fly as Madam Squishy, and sat in 6vdt for 16+ hours in the name of TEST, flying with the WIdot flag with Goon leadership in that war, I can honestly state that Mittens is not what people saw in that fanfest panel. I don't know him on a personal level, but I know that he isn't that evil of a man, he merely portrays one in a video game.
Listen, the man made a mistake, owned up to it, and apologized privately with the guy he was talking about, and publicly to all of us. I think he fulfilled his societal obligation and should be left alone to carry on with everyday life and gaming within Eve.
To be honest, everyone says something really stupid, or even evil. I myself made some very bad comments about the Arabic community of Earth whlie drunk (I had served in the Army and in Iraq for over 10 months) but that's not who I am while in a sane state. Alcohol is not the scapegoat.
At any rate, Mittens probably doesn't remember me or even cares to know who I am, but I know he still has my support within Eve because I believe in the guy. He's a good level headed dude, and has earned my respect. |
Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:57:00 -
[1044] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.
From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control.
See, that's the problem I have with it. This guy, who is representing both CCP and the entire EVE community, decided way before alcohol was involved to harass this guy IRL. When your in-game character spills that much into RL, it's time for CCP to give you a break. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
230
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:57:00 -
[1045] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:de4deye wrote:de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose. Would that be be the poor suicidal person that joked about his "I want to die after my divorce statement"? Or the poor suicidal person who was completely unaware that he was supposedly being "cyber bullied", and could care less about all this nonsense? Weather or not the person was suicidal is completely irrelevant to the argument from both a legal and PR standpoint. oh i remember now, cipher jones, you're that moron who was like "all forms of ganking is griefing, which is considered a bannable offense eula etc, and CCP Y U NO enforce your own rules" a while back wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:57:00 -
[1046] - Quote
Aineko Macx wrote:Xython wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals. Shittens. DOH HO HOHO, YOU SIR, ARE THE EPITOME OF WIT. Actually, unlike your head honcho I don't claim fame for other peoples work.
Back in your cave, Sockpuppet. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
45
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:58:00 -
[1047] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here. You do realize he's just resigning the chair right? And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members? Interesting how now it's just "resigning the chair", and not his CSM position.
I guess since he wasn't explicit earlier this isn't technically revisionism, but I think to pretty much everyone it was implied that he was going to be resigning his CSM position.
We've been lawyer'd, it seems. Interesting. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:58:00 -
[1048] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.
From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control.
Very good point |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
207
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:58:00 -
[1049] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here.
Regardless of which "side" you are on in this, "people" or "goon", everyone can agree that Alex, tbp The Mittani, screwed up. Even The Mittani agrees with that. See his above apology. Now it's a matter of damage control.
For Alex to leave with any sort of honor, he must resign from the CSM, and soon.
For CCP to get out of this with any sort of honor, they must ban him, because what he did was proveably premeditated, and far exceeds behaviour that CCP has banned people over in the past. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Roffle Lawler
Elitist Oops
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:59:00 -
[1050] - Quote
Guys I'm not joking if The Mittani and Goons don't leave Eve: Online I am gonna start cutting myself. I have the knife. |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
399
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:00:00 -
[1051] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:de4deye wrote:de4deye wrote:No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation. It is very stange how some would openly allow and feel no remorse for this sick and sadistic behavior exhibited by Mittani. Monsters will be monsters, I suppose. Would that be be the poor suicidal person that joked about his "I want to die after my divorce statement"? Or the poor suicidal person who was completely unaware that he was supposedly being "cyber bullied", and could care less about all this nonsense? Weather or not the person was suicidal is completely irrelevant to the argument from both a legal and PR standpoint. oh i remember now, cipher jones, you're that moron who was like "all forms of ganking is griefing, which is considered a bannable offense eula etc, and CCP Y U NO enforce your own rules" a while back
Show me that quote and Ill biomass. Otherwise HTFU and GTFO.
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
haysis
Unforgotten. SoulWing Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:01:00 -
[1052] - Quote
Clark Derden wrote:Okay for all the sack of **** people who think Mittani should resign I say to you is take your white ass hats off and get the **** over it. **** was said and **** nothing is going to change it so deal with it. Move on for Christ sake.
See the problem is, its not just on the Eve-o forums anymore, its starting to spread through the gaming community as a whole.
in order for CCP to save face, they are gonna HAVE TO remove him. Not all PR is good. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
279
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:01:00 -
[1053] - Quote
Nice apology. Only future will tell if it was enough and in time.
I guess Alex Gianturco has learned a few things here like not appearing on public worldwide TV drunk and that there is a limit to how far you can take the meta-gaming and ingame character.
I do hope he survive this storm as CSM chair. He did stupid but he also got 10k votes and I believe he is good for the game.
Good luck The Mittani. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:02:00 -
[1054] - Quote
Roffle Lawler wrote:Guys I'm not joking if The Mittani and Goons don't leave Eve: Online I am gonna start cutting myself. I have the knife.
All the new Goon Alts and trolling... Hehehehe.... Somebody is actually worried. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
207
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:02:00 -
[1055] - Quote
haysis wrote:Clark Derden wrote:Okay for all the sack of **** people who think Mittani should resign I say to you is take your white ass hats off and get the **** over it. **** was said and **** nothing is going to change it so deal with it. Move on for Christ sake. See the problem is, its not just on the Eve-o forums anymore, its starting to spread through the gaming community as a whole. in order for CCP to save face, they are gonna HAVE TO remove him. Not all PR is good.
Right now there are two kind of people in Eve. Those that get this, and those that do not. The Mittani is gone. Deal with it. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:02:00 -
[1056] - Quote
haysis wrote:See the problem is, its not just on the Eve-o forums anymore, its starting to spread through the gaming community as a whole.
in order for CCP to save face, they are gonna HAVE TO remove him. Not all PR is good.
Man, is the gaming community ever in for a rude awakening when they find out that Eve players are sociopathic jerks! |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:03:00 -
[1057] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Kel hound wrote:Apology accepted. Inebriated or not what you said was beyond ****-move. That said, goon or not this was a heart-felt apology. How exactly do you know it was a heart-felt apology? And I don't mean that like a Goon would. You know, demanding college degrees in psychology and knowing the person for decades and nonsense like that. I mean in the "have you personally talked with this guy before or after he gave the apology" sense. As in, do I have any reason to believe you or place any credibility in what you have said?
You think we would honestly? Most of our information is coming in through his wife right now amusingly enough (She is a Goon as well, but does not play Internet Spaceships and in fact hates this game). Ultimately the only thing anyone can do from a logical standpoint is take it at face value, hope it's right.
Notrollzone: I honestly don't like Mittens that much, in the real world he's a bit of a hoity toity elitist snob, his jokes fall flat and outside of story time he's not a particularly good public speaker. But in spaceships the man gets results as both the leader of a major Powerbloc and as the head of the CSM. He virtually works magic in seeing the potential in others and putting it right where it can do the most good.
Frankly we're just milking as much effectiveness as we can out of the man before he has a complete meltdown goes fuckgoons and disbands the alliance.
Probably tomorrow when he logs in. |
Nethras
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:03:00 -
[1058] - Quote
Selinate wrote:You have to understand, this apology is coming from the same person who runs an alliance that literally finds most of their fun in screwing with people. It's a LITTLE hard to take this apology at face value.
I'd still have to say that I think you should step down as chairman, Mittens. The only way that an apology from a goon can be considered heartfelt and honest is with a gesture as big as that...
Don't worry, most of the alliance thought it was at least vaguely funny in a "holy ****, did he really just say that on a live stream?" sort of way if our jabber was any indication. Mittens really does seem to feel bad about what he said though, he certainly wasn't intending to give out the guy's character name (the slide didn't have it), much less suggest anyone try to get him to commit suicide. Character names of other players were included in the slides of other presentations in the alliance panel, so I guess CCP isn't worried about that, but Mittens seemed genuinely shocked that he'd even jokingly suggested people try to get someone to commit suicide when he found out what he'd said. The only part of this I've seen him even remotely blame on the alcohol is not remembering it happening
Don't worry though, the rest of the goons still think this is completely overblown, especially with the guy seemingly fine and not really bothered by what was said. We continue to be the online assholes we've always been. |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
164
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:03:00 -
[1059] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:Xython wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals. Shittens. DOH HO HOHO, YOU SIR, ARE THE EPITOME OF WIT. Actually, unlike your head honcho I don't claim fame for other peoples work. Please, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD list all of the accomplishments Mittens has taken from other people. :effort: |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:03:00 -
[1060] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here. Regardless of which "side" you are on in this, "people" or "goon", everyone can agree that Alex, tbp The Mittani, screwed up. Even The Mittani agrees with that. See his above apology. Now it's a matter of damage control. For Alex to leave with any sort of honor, he must resign from the CSM, and soon. For CCP to get out of this with any sort of honor, they must ban him, because what he did was proveably premeditated, and far exceeds behaviour that CCP has banned people over in the past.
We'll get right on it. |
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:04:00 -
[1061] - Quote
Due to the very large amount of people trying to distract from the main point of this thread, I would like to restate what I had earlier posted:
- No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation.
This sick and sadistic attitude of Mittani's is hopefully not just his "roleplaying as a bad guy" ideals coming out in real life. If this would be the case, it would imply that he is in a deep state of psychosis and is unfit to be a public figure to stress the opinions of multitudes of people. I certainly do not condone this behavior as acceptable. As said before, "The real you comes out when you are drunk". -
There is no damage control for this.
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
207
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:05:00 -
[1062] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote: Probably tomorrow when he logs in.
But banned chars can't log in... http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:05:00 -
[1063] - Quote
Aineko Macx wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:Xython wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals. Shittens. DOH HO HOHO, YOU SIR, ARE THE EPITOME OF WIT. Actually, unlike your head honcho I don't claim fame for other peoples work. Please, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD list all of the accomplishments Mittens has taken from other people. :effort:
Bitter EO alt spotted. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
630
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:05:00 -
[1064] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course.
As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year.
You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately.
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haysis
Unforgotten. SoulWing Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:06:00 -
[1065] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:haysis wrote:See the problem is, its not just on the Eve-o forums anymore, its starting to spread through the gaming community as a whole.
in order for CCP to save face, they are gonna HAVE TO remove him. Not all PR is good. Man, is the gaming community ever in for a rude awakening when they find out that Eve players are sociopathic jerks!
Touche sir, touche |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1276
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:06:00 -
[1066] - Quote
haysis wrote:Clark Derden wrote:Okay for all the sack of **** people who think Mittani should resign I say to you is take your white ass hats off and get the **** over it. **** was said and **** nothing is going to change it so deal with it. Move on for Christ sake. See the problem is, its not just on the Eve-o forums anymore, its starting to spread through the gaming community as a whole. in order for CCP to save face, they are gonna HAVE TO remove him. Not all PR is good.
Agreed on the part concerning the issue becoming known in the gaming community.
However he is already in the process of removing himself as chairman.
More importantly, this will actually serve to enhance EVEs reputation as a harsh and dangerous place... likely resulting in an increase in subscriptions.
I'm not judging by making that statement, just stating an opinion based on past observation. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
CatreX Nolen
The Syndicate Inc En Garde
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:07:00 -
[1067] - Quote
Nice. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:07:00 -
[1068] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote: Probably tomorrow when he logs in.
But banned chars can't log in...
My god, THEY ARE LEARNING |
Roffle Lawler
Elitist Oops
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:07:00 -
[1069] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:Roffle Lawler wrote:Guys I'm not joking if The Mittani and Goons don't leave Eve: Online I am gonna start cutting myself. I have the knife. All the new Goon Alts and trolling... Hehehehe.... Somebody is actually worried.
Says a guy in an NPC corp. It is **** like you that makes me want to end it all. That, and playing Eve: Online with Goons in the game. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
630
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:08:00 -
[1070] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.
From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control.
This can not be quoted enough.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:08:00 -
[1071] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote: You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately.
Nah. We'd countertroll.
Also it should be noted that molle did tell us to go die in video format during the Bob BBQ.
But that's a bit of a weak equivalence. I'm willing to bet you can find more than one threat or bits of reveling in real life harms and death that have occurred to various goons if you dug into the forums a bit. |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
51
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:09:00 -
[1072] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course. As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year. You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately. You suck at history.
People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life.
****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons.
Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received.
Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:09:00 -
[1073] - Quote
haysis wrote:Touche sir, touche
Really though, there's not much here for anyone media-wise to run with. Mainstream media isn't going to give a toss since The Wis is an adult, and a story about an adult being bullied wouldn't go beyond the comedy phases. Gaming media COULD be more specific I guess, but The Wis' overall indifference to the whole thing (and Mittens' apology both to him and in public) makes it dead before it got started, since once The Wis is gone, you've really got nothing beyond either blurfing about how Eve is a mean game (in other news, the sky is blue) or trying to take the words of players with agendas as transparent as can be (in other words, Eve political stuff).
The only thing major that CCP is going to change about this will be a lot of procedural stuff for the next fanfests (more in-depth presentation vetting, reserving the right to not let someone present if they're too drunk/high/whatever). If Mittens leaves either the CSM or just the Chair, it'll be his own doing and nobody else's. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:10:00 -
[1074] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:Princess Bride wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote: Probably tomorrow when he logs in.
But banned chars can't log in... My god, THEY ARE LEARNING
Changing my vote to ban Mittens. I'm too lazy to put my crap in a carrier and jump it to lowsec. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:10:00 -
[1075] - Quote
Aineko Macx wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:Xython wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals. Shittens. DOH HO HOHO, YOU SIR, ARE THE EPITOME OF WIT. Actually, unlike your head honcho I don't claim fame for other peoples work. Please, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD list all of the accomplishments Mittens has taken from other people. :effort:
Proof or stfu and gtfo |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
47
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:11:00 -
[1076] - Quote
CSM Chairman has exposed himself as unfit for position. A verified cyber bully has no place emboldening it upon themselves, elected or otherwise to claim that they represent the best interests of the eve online community.
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Borial Vokan
Starwinders The Unwilling.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:11:00 -
[1077] - Quote
Nice appology; Still kill jita though, that place is the biggest hive of scum and villany. |
Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:11:00 -
[1078] - Quote
DEAR LEADER
Dont you dare resign. |
Havecandy Getinvan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:12:00 -
[1079] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Due to the very large amount of people trying to distract from the main point of this thread, I would like to restate what I had earlier posted:
- No matter how many of Mitten's friends come on here trying to defend his non-excusable actions, the fact remains that this will not be simply smoothed over with his "I was drunk" apology, nor any other. The game politics of who's alliance you are in has nothing to do with this. Mittani must be reprimanded for his severe actions against this poor suicidal person he had targeted to mock and make fun of in spite of his situation.
This sick and sadistic attitude of Mittani's is hopefully not just his "roleplaying as a bad guy" ideals coming out in real life. If this would be the case, it would imply that he is in a deep state of psychosis and is unfit to be a public figure to stress the opinions of multitudes of people. I certainly do not condone this behavior as acceptable. As said before, "The real you comes out when you are drunk". -
There is no damage control for this.
I love how almost all of the "Get rid of Mittens" posts are by either NPC alts or NC. guys (Grats on losing those 3 titans), Darius III (Ever going to be better than last place?), etc.
Carrion feeders. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
427
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:12:00 -
[1080] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.
From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control. This can not be quoted enough.
No one is saying him mocking The Wis for freaking out was in the wrong.
Him hinting at further, open harassment was.
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:13:00 -
[1081] - Quote
Xython wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.
From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control. This can not be quoted enough. No one is saying him mocking The Wis for freaking out was in the wrong. Him hinting at further, open harassment was.
Yeah the slide was fine. |
Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:13:00 -
[1082] - Quote
Sorry Mittani, but as Chair CSM this is too much. As head of Goonswarm I don't give a crap what you do, but when you represent the player base like this, it's time for you to move on.
Having yourself voted as chair because you have the largest alliance in the game shouldn't be considered any type of acheivement and maybe if your being Alex Gianturco for once, you should think about whether you are the right person to lead the CSM, when you are essentially elected via brute force...... |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:14:00 -
[1083] - Quote
Princess Nana wrote:CSM Chairman has exposed himself as unfit for position. A verified cyber bully has no place emboldening it upon themselves, elected or otherwise to claim that they represent the best interests of the eve online community.
I hope we reach the point where "Cyber Bully" becomes one of those terms we are embarrassed about in a couple of years. |
Havecandy Getinvan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:14:00 -
[1084] - Quote
Also, CCP reviewed all of these slides prior to presentation. |
Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:15:00 -
[1085] - Quote
Voith wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course. As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year. You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately. You suck at history. People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life. ****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons. Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received. Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this.
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haysis
Unforgotten. SoulWing Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:16:00 -
[1086] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:haysis wrote:Touche sir, touche Really though, there's not much here for anyone media-wise to run with. Mainstream media isn't going to give a toss since The Wis is an adult, and a story about an adult being bullied wouldn't go beyond the comedy phases. Gaming media COULD be more specific I guess, but The Wis' overall indifference to the whole thing (and Mittens' apology both to him and in public) makes it dead before it got started, since once The Wis is gone, you've really got nothing beyond either blurfing about how Eve is a mean game (in other news, the sky is blue) or trying to take the words of players with agendas as transparent as can be (in other words, Eve political stuff). The only thing major that CCP is going to change about this will be a lot of procedural stuff for the next fanfests (more in-depth presentation vetting, reserving the right to not let someone present if they're too drunk/high/whatever). If Mittens leaves either the CSM or just the Chair, it'll be his own doing and nobody else's.
I agree with you, I mean I think this whole thing is wayyy over the top my self. And everyone knows the media will turn a stream into a flood at the drop of the hat.
I was just saying, I don't think Eve needs more bad PR then it already has. I guess, what I'm trying to say is. Better safe then sorry? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1276
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:16:00 -
[1087] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Princess Nana wrote:CSM Chairman has exposed himself as unfit for position. A verified cyber bully has no place emboldening it upon themselves, elected or otherwise to claim that they represent the best interests of the eve online community.
I hope we reach the point where "Cyber Bully" becomes one of those terms we are embarrassed about in a couple of years.
It already is when used describing events concerning an adult with no verifiable mental or emotional issues.
It just takes a while for some people to realize it. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:16:00 -
[1088] - Quote
Well gents, it was nice arguing with you all.
*Plays as the Ti -err- Forumnaught goes down.*
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:16:00 -
[1089] - Quote
Pedro Chang wrote:Voith wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course. As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year. You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately. You suck at history. People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life. ****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons. Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received. Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this.
No he didn't tbh, this was done at the Alliance panel while holding the banner of a WIZARD. |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:17:00 -
[1090] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote: You do realize he's just resigning the chair right?
And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members?
Interesting, and how would the rest of the CSM determine that if some wanted him to resign the chair and some did not? A vote of 'No Confidence'? A recall election?
If he does resign the Chair (which I don't think he should do) then what will that do to stem the calls for his head? Those with an agenda or an axe to grind will not be satisfied with that, they will just start calling for his permabanning, or claim that he is just passing the Chair to an ally or something. Then after that it will be calling for the dissolution and banning of the Goons, or something like that.
That is the problem with mobs, they are never satisfied.
I think it should be CCPs call, myself, and that they should look at this in its entirety and have a dialogue with both Mittani and The Wis, and go from there. |
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:17:00 -
[1091] - Quote
Havecandy Getinvan wrote:Also, CCP reviewed all of these slides prior to presentation.
Can anyone confirm this? I had thought it was supposed to be unfiltered. If this is true, this entire PR fiasco was CCP's fault for allowing that to go through, not Mittani's. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
400
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:17:00 -
[1092] - Quote
Disambiguation;
It matters legally in the sense that the charges are harsher if there is intent, but no the lack of intent does not make it legal either. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
230
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:18:00 -
[1093] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote: Show me that quote and Ill biomass. Otherwise HTFU and GTFO.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46031&p=1 actually, don't biomass, i don't want to be responsible for your own mental instability wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
427
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:18:00 -
[1094] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Havecandy Getinvan wrote:Also, CCP reviewed all of these slides prior to presentation. Can anyone confirm this? I had thought it was supposed to be unfiltered. If this is true, this entire PR fiasco was CCP's fault for allowing that to go through, not Mittani's.
Pretty sure this was already confirmed.
But the comment in question was an off the cuff drunken comment by Dear Leader, not part of the slides. |
Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:18:00 -
[1095] - Quote
I guess Mittani, as young and probably not very experienced man, learned an important lesson: in real life, one must be ready to take consequences for what he has done. Apology is fine (even if not sincere) but it's not enough because damage done to this community and CCP's public image is serious.
Sorry to say that, but he must resign from CSM. It's the only way to fix this crap. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:19:00 -
[1096] - Quote
Trolls Troll wrote:Sorry Mittani, but as Chair CSM this is too much. As head of Goonswarm I don't give a crap what you do, but when you represent the player base like this, it's time for you to move on.
Having yourself voted as chair because you have the largest alliance in the game shouldn't be considered any type of acheivement and maybe if your being Alex Gianturco for once, you should think about whether you are the right person to lead the CSM, when you are essentially elected via brute force......
When are you ever not elected by brute force? |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
427
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:19:00 -
[1097] - Quote
Aldarica wrote:I guess Mittani, as young and probably not very experienced man, learned an important lesson: in real life, one must be ready to take consequences for what he has done. Apology is fine (even if not sincere) but it's not enough because damage done to this community and CCP's public image is serious.
Sorry to say that, but he must resign from CSM. It's the only way to fix this crap.
You're going to be very disappointed in the near future. :). |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:20:00 -
[1098] - Quote
Pedro Chang wrote:Voith wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course. As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year. You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately. You suck at history. People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life. ****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons. Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received. Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this.
Actually he was doing it as the head of his alliance. The CSM panel was during another point in the day. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
78
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:20:00 -
[1099] - Quote
I tripped around page 25, anyone know if the great harlot has sung the song of the sirens yet? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
lady jailbait
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:21:00 -
[1100] - Quote
i believe my words in our public channel went a lil somethin like this when mittens came on "this guy is a grade-A douche" and "he has a very punchable face"
dude shouldnt drink, lessoned learned hard way |
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Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
62
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:22:00 -
[1101] - Quote
Anyone else would be banned.
Seriously, wtf CCP. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Shere
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:22:00 -
[1102] - Quote
Aldarica wrote:I guess Mittani, as young and probably not very experienced man, learned an important lesson: in real life, one must be ready to take consequences for what he has done. Apology is fine (even if not sincere) but it's not enough because damage done to this community and CCP's public image is serious.
Sorry to say that, but he must resign from CSM. It's the only way to fix this crap.
Hi, where is this purported damage located? Can you point it out to me? Don't link a bunch of half-baked articles on mediocre gaming e-zines, either.
Also explain to me how his resignation does anything to repair this or do anything except further the goals of goon-haters who are seething mad that he got chairman again.
You people are so dense. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
212
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:22:00 -
[1103] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.
From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control. This can not be quoted enough.
I agree. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Bane Necran
160
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:22:00 -
[1104] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:No, he's not really a sadist now. He says so in his apology. Nevermind what he's said on forums and podcasts to the contrary in the past. That was all just roleplaying.
A likely story
But even if it's true, can we really afford to take the chance of some kind of relapse? Knowing what i do now, i wouldn't leave him alone with a kitten to find out. |
Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:23:00 -
[1105] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Pedro Chang wrote:Voith wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Except that this is a video game environment we're talking about. A video game where murder, backstabbing, stealing, conning, killing and every other base action of the human race is not only acceptable, but encouraged. Par for the course. As long as it is kept in the game. Mittens asked for game actions to happen to get the guy to kill himself in real life. He did not say this on some private forum, or even just here on eve-o. He said this during a live web stream, in front of hundreds of neckbeards at the main CCP event they have once a year. You guys really, really need to stop defending his actions. This has nothing to do with your terrible forever war in null. So stop making it that way. I bet you any amount of ISK if that was Sir Molle up there and he said all of that, you would be going absolute ape **** over it and demanding CCP take action immediately. You suck at history. People have threatened goons, and there families many times IRL. ****, your example litterally happened, Molle did say he wanted all goons who showed up to his BBQ to die. In real life. ****, read this thread you will see people threaten goons. Generally they laugh it off. After all the internet is serious business. I think the founder of the website proclaimed himself the "King of e-Threats" for the number of death threats he has received. Edit: Actual link, I was off on the quote: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/hogosphere/internet-death-threat.php The problem is not that he did this on the forums or in-game, the problem is he did this at Fanfest (IRL) while holding the banner of CSM President, making him the main voice of the community and the player voice of CCP. You really can't defend this sort of behavior and he ought to be banned like any normal player would be if they pulled something like this. Actually he was doing it as the head of his alliance. The CSM panel was during another point in the day. So, just because the panel was the Alliance panel, he no longer holds the title of CSM President, ect.? Got it, forget everything I said.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
326
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:23:00 -
[1106] - Quote
This is cool, gj
Mistakes happen, and this is how they are handled.
Now we can get back to internet spaceships!
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Hotaru Yamato
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:24:00 -
[1107] - Quote
I forgive you bro. |
Trolls Troll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:24:00 -
[1108] - Quote
Mechael wrote:Anyone else would be banned.
Seriously, wtf CCP.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1276
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:25:00 -
[1109] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Disambiguation;
It matters legally in the sense that the charges are harsher if there is intent, but no the lack of intent does not make it legal either.
Cipher, Cyber Bullying is not a victimless crime.
The Wiz maintains that he was not bullied as a result of the Mittani's comments, nor was he aware of them until someone pointed it out to him. He could care less.
If the supposed "victim" maintains the crime did not happen in this case, there is no crime.
A case theoretically "might" have been made if someone had taken Mittani's statement at face value and harassed The Wiz to the point of emotional distress by advocating suicide to him (although what country would be able to actually act in this case is debatable).
However, that didn't happen. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:25:00 -
[1110] - Quote
Pedro Chang wrote: Some pubbie drivel
So if it's impossible to divorce alliance heads from CSM actions at what point does the entire CSM process become bunk?
*Hint: If you disallow for that it's bunk from the very start. |
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Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:27:00 -
[1111] - Quote
I have never gotten so IRL bent out of shape at the people pushing their axe now that Mitanni has "promised" something in a moment of weakness than any other thing about some silly video game. Those of you using this to push even FURTHER and call to remove Mitanni from the CSM and thus disenfranchise a significant portion of the playerbase entirely disgust me. This election was great and we have a huge variety of representatives, including two hisec representatives on the main CSM and one hisec alternate! Don't **** this up by pouncing on his weakness with "moralistic" pretext, and I seriously question how many of you would actually forgive him if he DID resign from the CSM. The answer to that question may reveal something you might not want to admit to even yourself.
That is not to say that people should not be disgusted by what he did, I was myself and seriously considered if I wanted to keep playing Eve Online if the atmosphere would be like this.
I'm sure you don't need anyone to tell you this at this point Mitanni, but make this decision on your own. Resign from your chairmanship if you feel it's right, but please don't quit the CSM. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
280
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:27:00 -
[1112] - Quote
haysis wrote:I was just saying, I don't think Eve needs more bad PR then it already has. I guess, what I'm trying to say is. Better safe then sorry?
Bad PR for some is good PR for others. Did you listen to David Ried on fanfest?
Also, he got 10k votes and it might even be worse publicity for CCP if they sack this guy now.
Anyway, I do think it is blown out of proportions. He did stupid but that happens every minute in every MMO out there. The Mittani is however a public figure and he has many enemies and the forums really loves drama.
I think he has a good chance to survive this but he has to ride the storm first like any true politician has to do.
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Shogun Archer
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:27:00 -
[1113] - Quote
People are WAAAY too offended for other people these days. Half the time it's fake. In reality most people barely get offended even when it's directed at them personally.
It's the namby pamby world we live in. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Blut'Engel
Runnin With Scissors
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:27:00 -
[1114] - Quote
GG mittens. |
Pahineh Amelana
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:28:00 -
[1115] - Quote
Pahineh Amelana wrote:Let's be straight, and not over look some important facts.
You made the presentation prior to going to the panel. (your intentions at this point were clear) You spoke @ the panel. (you acted on your intentions prior to the fanfest) Your members backed what you said for several days here on the forums. (further showing that these intentions were/are shared by a larger group of associates)
Now you apologize. For yourself, for your associates, for who? To save face?
Just goes to show how sincere this apology really is.
Bigger people in the real world have apologized and resigned from real positions of power, for much much smaller things. That being said, make the sacrifice to make it sincere. Integrity.
If you had not made it a part of your actual presentation, it could be ran off as a mistake, mis-speaking. If your fellow members didn't stand behind what you said, and pander all over the EVE-O forums like monkeys, it could have again, been ran off as a mistake.
The fact is you made this an actual part of your presentation, then followed through with presenting it, as humor. Then your members, friends, associates, supporters ran all over the EVE-O forums stating their support of your words, for this or that reason, further creating even more problems, divides and ultimately much deeper issues within the eve community.
Apologizing for bumping into someone. acceptable Apologizing for spilling some water on someone on accident. acceptable Apologizing for accidentally hurting someone. acceptable
Apologizing for deliberately trying to cause harm to someone utilizing a video game as your execution platform. Unacceptable. Apologizing for egging others on to cause harm to another via a video game. Unacceptable.
It's called cyber bullying, and like it or not, it's not funny. Even if it's meant in jest. Your words and actions do not just effect the individual you were targeting but an entire community of players. Cause & Effect.
As I've said. It's to the point.
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Lolmer
Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:29:00 -
[1116] - Quote
David Carel wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Lolmer wrote:CCP is not a public company and has no shareholders. It has loans, but no public shares to trade on the market to go up or down from any publicity. I don't remember what date this was but; Major Shareholders At the date of this Prospectus there were 97 shareholders in CCP. The ten largest shareholders owned a total of 97.9% of the Company's issued share capital. NP ehf 33.99 Teno Investments S.-.R.L 17.21 Reynir Har+¦arson 11.37 Arion safnreikningur 5.60 Matthfas Gu+¦mundsson 3.72 Hilmar Veigar P+¬tursson 2.82 Novator ehf 2.56 Frosti Sigurj+¦nsson 2.44 Fri+¦rik +ûrn Haraldsson 2.42 Gu+¦mundur Kristinsson ehf 2.39 I haven't seen CCP being traded, though.
Right, which was my point. The shareholders are from private loans and there is no "market" to appease to get more money for the shareholders other than income (net or gross I am unsure for calculations of loan payout). If CCP were a publicly traded company, then yes public appearance would matter for the shareholders value and they'd have a "vote" in the companies policies., but not really on day-to-day matters. |
Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:30:00 -
[1117] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote:Pedro Chang wrote: Some pubbie drivel
So if it's impossible to divorce alliance heads from CSM actions at what point does the entire CSM process become bunk? *Hint: If you disallow for that it's bunk from the very start. The CSM process has nothing to do with this. He represents the whole of EVE in CCP's eyes, and vice versa. Bunk or not, he chose to take the actions he did while in that position. There is really no getting around that, but feel free to try I guess? |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
893
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:31:00 -
[1118] - Quote
I'm a cop |
Shere
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:32:00 -
[1119] - Quote
I like how CSM members and candidates are held to this higher standard of virtue and morality when in actuality they are just playing the same game we are.
This isn't about morality, or legality, or some fabricated PR damage to CCP, or even about the supposed victim in this incident. If it were about any of these things we wouldn't still be talking about it because those things don't exist. This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on.
Be more transparent, idiots. |
Blut'Engel
Runnin With Scissors
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:34:00 -
[1120] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:I'm a cop
did mittens resign yet, vee? |
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Lolmer
Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:36:00 -
[1121] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Krutoj wrote:This topic is going sideways, to be chairman or not to be, to be CSM or GSF leader, to be part of the Sandbox or to be morally constrained by the real world. This is a lot of bullshit and knowing Alex for the past year, him being able to separate his role as CSM chairman and his role of the evil Goonswarm empire CEO, and doing a damn good job at it, while representing the views of those that are cursing him right now in this thread. Well aint this just so polliticly correct thing to do eh?
In other news, am stuck waiting for my next flight in Sydney, this thread does provide some mild entertainment, but I must reflect on the things CSM6 must do in the view of the CCP's keynotes at the Fanfest. I think Alex (Mittani) will do the same if you stop this silliness. Krutoj, at least I know that if Mittens resigns we have guys like you in there keeping half sentient morons like Darius from doing something stupid - oh wait, Darius doesn't do anything but disclose confidential information for Riverini lololol.
I guess you failed at reading http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28529.
Krutoj isn't on CSM 7 to help out. |
Shogun Archer
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:36:00 -
[1122] - Quote
Shere wrote:I like how CSM members and candidates are held to this higher standard of virtue and morality when in actuality they are just playing the same game we are.
This isn't about morality, or legality, or some fabricated PR damage to CCP, or even about the supposed victim in this incident. If it were about any of these things we wouldn't still be talking about it because those things don't exist. This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on.
Be more transparent, idiots.
So true. I have fought the Goons here and there a few times, and never really "liked" them so top speak, but I agree... I see the same thing. Just a bunch of opportunist trying to use some politically correct forum whining to hopefully get their agenda achieved.
The man apologized. He is not a world leader. He is playing the game just like the rest of us. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
402
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:36:00 -
[1123] - Quote
Why would I biomass? You were wrong on top of being wrong. It's pretty laughable. rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:36:00 -
[1124] - Quote
Shere wrote:I like how CSM members and candidates are held to this higher standard of virtue and morality when in actuality they are just playing the same game we are.
This isn't about morality, or legality, or some fabricated PR damage to CCP, or even about the supposed victim in this incident. If it were about any of these things we wouldn't still be talking about it because those things don't exist. This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on.
Be more transparent, idiots. Wouldn't matter if it was Molle, Mittens, or even Chribba. Doing that kind of thing in public, while in that position, deserves a ban. Yeah, some people hate Goons and this is a great opportunity for them to dogpile. Others are more concerned with CCP continuously bending rules over the years for big players. Molle is the most perfect example of that. Him and his ilk should have been banned many, many moons ago. |
lady jailbait
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:37:00 -
[1125] - Quote
Shere wrote:I like how CSM members and candidates are held to this higher standard of virtue and morality when in actuality they are just playing the same game we are.
This isn't about morality, or legality, or some fabricated PR damage to CCP, or even about the supposed victim in this incident. If it were about any of these things we wouldn't still be talking about it because those things don't exist. This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on.
Be more transparent, idiots.
your completly right its all about goons, your brilliant post has made it obvious to me that it isnt about bullying and in fact its all about goons
EDIT: Sarcasm |
Roffle Lawler
Elitist Oops
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:37:00 -
[1126] - Quote
We should all biomass our main's in protest. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:38:00 -
[1127] - Quote
Wait...so now GoonSwarm are the victims?
This reminds me of when Harry Whittington apologized to **** Cheney after being shot in the face by him. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
214
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:40:00 -
[1128] - Quote
The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.
Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
239
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:41:00 -
[1129] - Quote
Though there was a victim in the incident. It was not about just him.
Its about everyone and every player that will come later. Advocating a lynch mod to hound and harass someone from the bully pulpit of fan fast by a CSM chair to the point of death can not be tolerated no matter whom they are.
If he was a man he The mittani would have already stepped down from the CSM in totality.
Its about the players that will come later, and the other players we will interact with on dust etc. You cant grow a game with the reputation that some jack ass can order a bunch of people to harass them to the point of suicide.
CCP and SONY (dust) both know this. If they don't act there is going to a big door open to lawsuits if anyone playing this game hurts themselves over what someone does to them in this game.
Worse was that he didnt do this in game, he did it IRL at fanfest.
Basically the line was reached and crossed on how far you can go with grieving others in eve. And an example needs to be made. Especially that no matter whom you are you are not above the law with regards to EULA especially. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:41:00 -
[1130] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:I'm a cop So how long do you think it will take for mittens to resign? |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:44:00 -
[1131] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Wait...so now GoonSwarm are the victims?
This reminds me of when Harry Whittington apologized to **** Cheney after being shot in the face by him. Actually I do feel sorry for The Mittani he got drunk, said something stupid. Now will loose the CSM seat if CCP isn't still hung over. Posssibly more if they are still drunk.
Frankly I think they should also make a funnier punishment for the Goonswarm people for standing up for this kind of rubbish. Force an Alliance name change on them for punishment for their German WWII insignia. Call them the Pink Fluffy Bunnies. lol Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Shogun Archer
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:45:00 -
[1132] - Quote
And this is why we live in a world where there's f*cking warning labels on everything. Everyone is scared to death of being sued by some jack*ss that wants to get rich by pretending to be a "victim" of something.
Always these ridiculous threats of lawsuits. Does anyone that's even halfway sane like this? If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
stuntane
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:46:00 -
[1133] - Quote
He should resign and if not, be forcefully shown the door. This is unacceptable. I hope CCP has the foresight to see this is their opportunity to reset the standard and show the playerbase this **** is not on. It's also not just one man's juvenile actions but a culmination of the wider Eve culture's degradation that we've come to this point. I mean, again, that Alliance Panel - what the **** CCP. Reel your audience in, you're embarrassing yourselves and the rest of us. |
Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:46:00 -
[1134] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.
Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.
As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now.
The griefing and trolling are part of the game, and CCP discloses in the EULA that it is. The minute you start playing this game, you agree to all sorts of griefing and general asshattery. Deal with it. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP. I always find the ESRB sticker saying 'online interactions are not rated' as slightly humorous especially when applied to this whole scenario. |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
750
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:49:00 -
[1135] - Quote
Shogun Archer wrote:And this is why we live in a world where there's f*cking warning labels on everything. Everyone is scared to death of being sued by some jack*ss that wants to get rich by pretending to be a "victim" of something.
Always these ridiculous threats of lawsuits. Does anyone that's even halfway sane like this?
When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets.
Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:49:00 -
[1136] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:
Frankly I think they should also make a funnier punishment for the Goonswarm people for standing up for this kind of rubbish. Force an Alliance name change on them for punishment for their German WWII insignia. Call them the Pink Fluffy Bunnies. lol
I thought that was a rather amusing pos myself dear sir. Realy brought our the WWII sentiments out in eve. o7 |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:49:00 -
[1137] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:Princess Bride wrote:The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.
Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.
As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now. The grieving and trolling are part of the game, and CCP discloses in the EULA that it is. The minute you start playing on this game, you agree to all sorts of briefing and general asshattery. Deal with it. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP. I always find the ESRB sticker saying 'online interactions are not rated' as slightly humorous when applied to this whole scenario.
Thats in game. Mittani doing what he did at fanfest was not In game. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:50:00 -
[1138] - Quote
Shogun Archer wrote:And this is why we live in a world where there's f*cking warning labels on everything. Everyone is scared to death of being sued by some jack*ss that wants to get rich by pretending to be a "victim" of something.
Always these ridiculous threats of lawsuits. Does anyone that's even halfway sane like this?
Dude. We playing EVE online. Everybody is batshit crazy.... |
Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:50:00 -
[1139] - Quote
I'm waiting for the secret eve mail that show CCP forced him to do this for Titans |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:50:00 -
[1140] - Quote
Headerman wrote:
When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets.
Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter.
Exactly. Being drunk is not an excuse. |
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:50:00 -
[1141] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.
Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.
As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now. The guy is still alive. He doesn't even remember the event per evidenced by the chatlogs that have been posted.
What are you talking about internet, not even wannabe lawyer. |
Romar Agent
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:51:00 -
[1142] - Quote
I tip my hat to Mr. Gianturco.
Now I'm interested in what the Mittani and the rest of the CSM have in store for this year... |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
230
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:51:00 -
[1143] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Why would I biomass? You were wrong on top of being wrong. It's pretty laughable. just seems like youse a bitche from the bitchery bitchin about griefing wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Shandir
Ferocious Felines
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:52:00 -
[1144] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:Princess Bride wrote:The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.
Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.
As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now. The grieving and trolling are part of the game, and CCP discloses in the EULA that it is. The minute you start playing on this game, you agree to all sorts of briefing and general asshattery. Deal with it. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP. I always find the ESRB sticker saying 'online interactions are not rated' as slightly humorous when applied to this whole scenario.
Except that that's b*llocks, 'griefing' is defined, is against the rules, and is clearly what happened here. Most players who called for this extreme level of griefing (calling for a several thousand player harassment attack on an already 'distressed' player) would find themselves outright banned. And I'm having a hard time seeing why Mittens should get special treatment. I also think that anyone who followed Mitten's request and EVEmailed or otherwise harassed this player should given the exact same punishments.
Edit: I'm really trying hard to have patience and wait for CCP's verdict and the opinion of the other CSMs. I don't think it's very helpful to call for his head at this point. But the Goon trolling keeps reminding me that he's the one who wants to be seen as the biggest douchebag in EVE Online. And EVE Online could live with a few less of those. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1279
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:52:00 -
[1145] - Quote
stuntane wrote:He should resign and if not, be forcefully shown the door. This is unacceptable. I hope CCP has the foresight to see this is their opportunity to reset the standard and show the playerbase this **** is not on. It's also not just one man's juvenile actions but a culmination of the wider Eve culture's degradation that we've come to this point. I mean, again, that Alliance Panel - what the **** CCP. Reel your audience in, you're embarrassing yourselves and the rest of us.
He is in the process of resigning his chair, if he can get anyone to accept it under these circumstances.
I will agree with you on one point, I don't really see much point to the Alliance Panel... at least not how it is currently being handled. Now if it was a good natured question and answer period for alliance leaders, or a venue for alliances leaders to have a direct public dialogue with CCP devs, it would have a point.
Drunken alliance histories and war stories... not so much. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Shogun Archer
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:53:00 -
[1146] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:Headerman wrote:
When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets.
Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter.
Exactly. Being drunk is not an excuse.
I didn't think they let you guys have video games... If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Bane Necran
163
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:53:00 -
[1147] - Quote
Shere wrote:This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on
Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent.
Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game. |
Shandir
Ferocious Felines
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:54:00 -
[1148] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Shere wrote:This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent. Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game.
This, so much this.
There's a line, and it should not be crossed. |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:55:00 -
[1149] - Quote
Scumbag in game, scumbag in real life.
CCP still loves you tho.
Resign and GTFO. |
Shogun Archer
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:55:00 -
[1150] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Shere wrote:This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent. Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game.
Cool, does that mean we will be flying cotton balls next year? If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
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Xyla Vulchanus
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:55:00 -
[1151] - Quote
Why does anyone really give a crap about this? It was just a tasteless joke. Get over it peoples.
Mittani for CSM 8! |
Xutech
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:56:00 -
[1152] - Quote
The EVE convention gives people a limited amount of time to meet everyone they know, socialize and discuss topics.
Is it hardly surprising that a convention that features alcohol would contribute to people acting unwisely?
The fact is that the Mittani was inebriated at the point where he made his speech in front of hundreds of people.
Is it hardly surprising that he may have spoken some unwise words, given a little too much information away?
Given that the EVE convention has, in the past, featured short movies of devs flying spaceships made out of beer bottles,
is it surprising that anyone attending not be in full control of their faculties?
He has made an apology, he has been embarrassed. That is a healthy situation. One where a person has made a mistake and can recognize it. Anyone in a leadership position, in the spotlight, day after day, will make mistakes. We cannot remove a leader every time they make a mistake, we would have no-one left to lead.
The Mittani got a huge number of votes, he does his job well, he does hold CCP to account.
I would like to see him tone down the drinking, or leave it till the end of the convention.
I think that is a fair request that we can make.
Asking him to resign is not a reasonable request given his year round work.
Xutech of the KUGU community. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:57:00 -
[1153] - Quote
Acwron wrote:Scumbag in game, scumbag in real life.
CCP still loves you tho.
Resign and GTFO.
Wow, the nails have realy come out now huh? |
Lolmer
Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:57:00 -
[1154] - Quote
Comtezza wrote:Please tell me others have looked at the voting list and realized that if BOTH Darius and Mittens left . . . who would now be number 14
He'd be better than Darius III, that's for sure, though I still wouldn't want riverini on the CSM. |
Shogun Archer
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:57:00 -
[1155] - Quote
Shandir wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Shere wrote:This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent. Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game. This, so much this. There's a line, and it should not be crossed.
And so it goes... Ten people out of 300000 are "offended" for someone they don't even know or have never even met, yet they want to dictate the rules to the rest of the majority of people who either do not care or do not agree. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:58:00 -
[1156] - Quote
Shere wrote:This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on
It wouldn't matter whether it was the Mittani or Chribba, when somethings wrong its wrong.
Funny how every goonswarm post is in defence of their awesome leader by default, kinda like how he got voted chair in the first place
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
215
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:58:00 -
[1157] - Quote
Jonatan Reed wrote:Princess Bride wrote:The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.
Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.
As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP.
This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Kjel Keikira
Jovian Legacy Jovian Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:59:00 -
[1158] - Quote
An apology was made. A nice gesture made in the form of ISK. This is what anyone would, and should do
Sometimes though, an apology does not cut it. Heart felt or not... I guess we will never know.. Mainly due to the rod this guy has made for his own back over the past years acting the way he does and projecting the persona he has. Be it in forums, in game or even on camera. Arrogant, Self indulged, Egotistical, Cruel and Immature. Bearing that in mind, it is purely understandable why people in this forum are dubious as to the sincerity of the "Apology"
Plainly put, he has made mistake, Him and no-one else. Such a grave mistake in fact, that the only logical and just response, is to resign from the CSM entirely with immediate effect.
By choosing to stay he shows no respect or consideration for CCP themselves or indeed this community. If such a choice were made i could only surmise that it would undoubtedly force CCP's hand in the matter and the termination of his role be enforced.
You're a big boy now Mittens, Time to put on those big boy pants and do what a man's gotta do....
Farewell o/
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3536
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:59:00 -
[1159] - Quote
Acwron wrote:I AM VERY ANGRY ABOUT MY TITAN
lol loser "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1283
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:59:00 -
[1160] - Quote
Shogun Archer wrote:Shandir wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Shere wrote:This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on Not just goons, but the type of EVE player they represent. Mittani doing this has become a catalyst for a much larger issue about this game. This, so much this. There's a line, and it should not be crossed. And so it goes... Ten people out of 300000 are "offended" for someone they don't even know or have never even met, yet they want to dictate the rules to the rest of the majority of people who either do not care or do not agree.
Including the alleged "victim". When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
753
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:59:00 -
[1161] - Quote
Shogun Archer wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:Headerman wrote:
When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets.
Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter.
Exactly. Being drunk is not an excuse. I didn't think they let you guys have video games...
Enough of us got together and told the government to go and fornicate with ones self. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3536
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 05:59:00 -
[1162] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit.
problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1283
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:01:00 -
[1163] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Jonatan Reed wrote:Princess Bride wrote:The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.
Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.
As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP. This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit.
This may come as a shock, but there was no attempted suicide... and by his own admission no victim. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
44
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:01:00 -
[1164] - Quote
It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way ---> |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:02:00 -
[1165] - Quote
Lolmer wrote:Comtezza wrote:Please tell me others have looked at the voting list and realized that if BOTH Darius and Mittens left . . . who would now be number 14 He'd be better than Darius III, that's for sure, though I still wouldn't want riverini on the CSM.
Are you saying you're not a fan of panty dropping? |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
433
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:02:00 -
[1166] - Quote
de4deye wrote:It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way --->
What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:03:00 -
[1167] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:Shere wrote:This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on It wouldn't matter whether it was the Mittani or Chribba, when somethings wrong its wrong. Funny how every goonswarm post is in defence of their awesome leader by default, kinda like how he got voted chair in the first place
It's funny how he got more votes than he has people in the entirety of the GSF alliance. |
Shogun Archer
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:03:00 -
[1168] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Shogun Archer wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:Headerman wrote:
When someone gets drunk and does such a stupid thing like Aled did, then he deserves everything he gets.
Advocating for people to encourage someone to kill themselves is NOT a light matter.
Exactly. Being drunk is not an excuse. I didn't think they let you guys have video games... Enough of us got together and told the government to go and fornicate with ones self.
Well hell yes. good for you guys If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Maharal
Klaus Talmudic Academy Games of Divinity
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:03:00 -
[1169] - Quote
CCP should let the miner change his name - as for Mittani - All of EvE will be watching to see what CCP decides. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
44
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:04:00 -
[1170] - Quote
Xython wrote:de4deye wrote:It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way ---> What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves. We are now putting 3 gyros rather than the previous failure of a mere 2 gyros on our buses now, tyvm. |
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Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:04:00 -
[1171] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Jonatan Reed wrote:Princess Bride wrote:The real question is, what action can CCP take to mitigate the damages in the lawsuit? No, probably not by the guy targeted by Alex. But if there ever IS a cyber-bullying lawsuit that drags CCP into court, and CCP didn't take action here, that WILL be used to prove that CCP ignored previous events, or that CCP is "soft" on cyber-bullies.
Like it or not, there are laws against it in a few states already, you don't see an eventual cause of action against CCP? I bet CCP does.
As a paralegal, I bet Alex has already done the math here. Just a matter of timing now. There are no laws that can do anything against CCP. This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit.
Pay attention ******. The potential plaintiff doesn't give two *****. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:04:00 -
[1172] - Quote
Xython wrote: What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves.
I agree, Send us moar titans!
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:04:00 -
[1173] - Quote
Xython wrote:de4deye wrote:It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way ---> What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves.
I'm still trying to find the "Drunk, not my fault" excuse.... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
753
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:04:00 -
[1174] - Quote
Xython wrote:de4deye wrote:It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way ---> What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves.
I too, like to boast of my 10 to 1 blobbing power. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Mallikanth
L V B Industries
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:05:00 -
[1175] - Quote
I don't know you in person, nor do I know you that well in game other than the usual forum post / Tweets / CSM stuff, but I don't think you should even consider resigning over this.
The apology was enough. Lets get back to "The Mittani" way of things
Fly Safe.
Believe in what they do, not what they say. Occasionally posts stuff as @Hamerhead
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
215
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:05:00 -
[1176] - Quote
Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass
The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Shogun Archer
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:05:00 -
[1177] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:Shere wrote:This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on It wouldn't matter whether it was the Mittani or Chribba, when somethings wrong its wrong. Funny how every goonswarm post is in defence of their awesome leader by default, kinda like how he got voted chair in the first place It's funny how he got more votes than he has people in the entirety of the GSF alliance.
Your assumption being that nobody outside of his alliance would vote for him? Tad naive ya think?
If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:05:00 -
[1178] - Quote
de4deye wrote:It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way --->
Am I gonna have to quote it again? I'm gonna have to quote it again... sigh. Ok, once more from the top.
The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
I'm not sure which part of that people aren't understanding. He's not using the fact that he was drunk as an excuse. Did it complicate things? Yes. But it doesn't make him any less responsible and he acknowledges that in his apology post (which I am now almost certain most people haven't actually bothered to read). |
Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:06:00 -
[1179] - Quote
Xutech wrote:The EVE convention gives people a limited amount of time to meet everyone they know, socialize and discuss topics.
Is it hardly surprising that a convention that features alcohol would contribute to people acting unwisely?
The fact is that the Mittani was inebriated at the point where he made his speech in front of hundreds of people.
Is it hardly surprising that he may have spoken some unwise words, given a little too much information away?
Given that the EVE convention has, in the past, featured short movies of devs flying spaceships made out of beer bottles,
is it surprising that anyone attending not be in full control of their faculties?
He has made an apology, he has been embarrassed. That is a healthy situation. One where a person has made a mistake and can recognize it. Anyone in a leadership position, in the spotlight, day after day, will make mistakes. We cannot remove a leader every time they make a mistake, we would have no-one left to lead.
The Mittani got a huge number of votes, he does his job well, he does hold CCP to account.
I would like to see him tone down the drinking, or leave it till the end of the convention.
I think that is a fair request that we can make.
Asking him to resign is not a reasonable request given his year round work.
Xutech of the KUGU community. The problem is that this is a video game with rules that apply to the populace. People shouldn't be concerned with whether or not he steps down, they should be wondering why he isn't banned yet. Yeah, we make mistakes, and in the realm of this game, when you break the ToS, you should be held accountable. It doesn't matter who he is or what he did for the game. Is CCP partially at fault for the alcohol/ect.? Yes, and they should man up as well. At least Mittani apologized, where is CCP's statement? |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:06:00 -
[1180] - Quote
What a crock of sh*t
Your 'deal with it' comments and other comments pretty much stated you didnt give a damn what yu did, infact you and your goonies havent shown any remorse on what you did... Did CCP put you up to this? or the CSM?
Sorry get out.... and stay out, you are a sad little man |
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Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
440
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:08:00 -
[1181] - Quote
de4deye wrote:"Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way ---> Typical uninformed opinion.
If you had read the first post in this thread you'd see he wasn't making excuses. Or, perhaps you're just lacking sufficient brain capacity to understand that. Ether way... "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:08:00 -
[1182] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Xython wrote:de4deye wrote:It is only a matter of time before CCP shows an interest in this topic beyond an "investigation", as it is obvious and in your face. Mittens will surely not escape unscathed from what he has done so easily with his "Drunk, not my fault" excuse, 12 step AA is that-a-way ---> What are you doing on the forums? Your Titans won't kill themselves. I too, like to boast of my 10 to 1 blobbing power.
It's funny because that fight was pretty much even when NCdot initiated it. They dropped their Titans on the CFC within spitting distance of VFK hoping for an easy "I win!" button and got their teeth kicked in by CFC caps. Jabber pings about Titans being killed brings everyone and their mother to the system to ***** on KMs. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1294
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:12:00 -
[1183] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though.
Once Mittani issued a public apology and indicated that he was absolutely NOT in favor of harassing The Wiz (formally rescinding his previous stupid comment), and considering that no harassment took place in the meantime that would absolve Mittani from any legal issues.
CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.
As much as you'd like to blow this up into a huge drama, there is little chance of that. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:15:00 -
[1184] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future plaintiffs in lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though. You sure sound like you know what you are talking about, unfortunately you do not. You would have to prove CCP's criminal negligence, when there is none.
Your argument is akin to saying Eve online is an attractive nuisance. |
Shogun Archer
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:15:00 -
[1185] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though. Once Mittani issued a public apology and indicated that he was absolutely NOT in favor of harassing The Wiz (formally rescinding his previous stupid comment), and considering that no harassment took place in the meantime that would absolve Mittani from any legal issues. CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit. As much as you'd like to blow this up into a huge drama, there is little chance of that.
And I just keep wondering... What is worse? The actual drunken comments that The Mittani made or these insidious attempts to usurp and destroy a guy who took responsibility, apologized publicly and from all intents and purposes (from my observation) is genuinely sorry.
Seriously what's worse? Opportunism from this incident or the incident itself?
If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
129
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:16:00 -
[1186] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Once Mittani issued a public apology and indicated that he was absolutely NOT in favor of harassing The Wiz (formally rescinding his previous stupid comment), and considering that no harassment took place in the meantime that would absolve Mittani from any legal issues.
CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.
As much as you'd like to blow this up into a huge drama, there is little chance of that.
I bought the gun, I went to his house and waited, then when he walked through the door - I shot his ass.
But it's ok, I apologised afterwards and told them I was drunk - for those 7 days.
Yeah doesn't really add up does it ?
So when is the new chairman due to be chosen ?
My EVE YouTube Channel |
Shogun Archer
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:16:00 -
[1187] - Quote
Revolution Rising wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Once Mittani issued a public apology and indicated that he was absolutely NOT in favor of harassing The Wiz (formally rescinding his previous stupid comment), and considering that no harassment took place in the meantime that would absolve Mittani from any legal issues.
CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.
As much as you'd like to blow this up into a huge drama, there is little chance of that. I bought the gun, I went to his house and waited, then when he walked through the door - I shot his ass. But it's ok, I apologised afterwards and told them I was drunk - for those 7 days. Yeah doesn't really add up does it ? So when is the new chairman due to be chosen ?
So let me get this straight... you are comparing this to homicide?
If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
65
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:16:00 -
[1188] - Quote
It was hinted at a while ago, but it kind of died, so I just wanted to bring it back to what page 59-60ish?
Where were you people when the alliance panel first finished airing? Where were you when CCP replayed the panel? Where were you when the CSM was announced?
I mean really come on, lets put down our pitch forks and clue in here, CCP has had plenty of time to respond to this, first by not re-airing the panel, and then again at the CSM announcement.
The more I read here, the more I see *cyber* bulling in reverse, in a mob so to speak, so here you all are, pitch forking against the very thing you claim to be against.
Not that I am shocked, it's game, and you will do what ever you feel will get you to the end results you think you want.
The only losers here are the players. who is your main, and what does he do? |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:17:00 -
[1189] - Quote
You know what is just as funny than this post? The jita protests... |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
33
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:17:00 -
[1190] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:Shere wrote:This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on It wouldn't matter whether it was the Mittani or Chribba, when somethings wrong its wrong. Funny how every goonswarm post is in defence of their awesome leader by default, kinda like how he got voted chair in the first place It's funny how he got more votes than he has people in the entirety of the GSF alliance.
Cause I keep all of my characters in the one alliance too.
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Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:18:00 -
[1191] - Quote
Shogun Archer wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though. Once Mittani issued a public apology and indicated that he was absolutely NOT in favor of harassing The Wiz (formally rescinding his previous stupid comment), and considering that no harassment took place in the meantime that would absolve Mittani from any legal issues. CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit. As much as you'd like to blow this up into a huge drama, there is little chance of that. And I just keep wondering... What is worse? The actual drunken comments that The Mittani made or these insidious attempts to usurp and destroy a guy who took responsibility, apologized publicly and from all intents and purposes (from my observation) is genuinely sorry. Seriously what's worse? Opportunism from this incident or the incident itself?
Guarantee you 90% of the people here have said some much worse ****, I know I have in the heat of the moment. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1294
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:18:00 -
[1192] - Quote
Revolution Rising wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Once Mittani issued a public apology and indicated that he was absolutely NOT in favor of harassing The Wiz (formally rescinding his previous stupid comment), and considering that no harassment took place in the meantime that would absolve Mittani from any legal issues.
CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.
As much as you'd like to blow this up into a huge drama, there is little chance of that. I bought the gun, I went to his house and waited, then when he walked through the door - I shot his ass. But it's ok, I apologised afterwards and told them I was drunk - for those 7 days. Yeah doesn't really add up does it ? So when is the new chairman due to be chosen ?
What... in the hell... are you talking about???
Are you high? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:19:00 -
[1193] - Quote
Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:I AM VERY ANGRY ABOUT MY TITAN lol loser
LOL Andski, you are even funnier now.
mittani, do us a favor and GTFO fast. That's not something CCP should take lightly. Not everybody is stable minded but they live among us and we don't mock them. We don't mock blind people, we don't mock people with any sort of handicap. We should help them. NO MOCKERY ! HELP ! See the difference? I guess not. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:19:00 -
[1194] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:Shere wrote:This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on It wouldn't matter whether it was the Mittani or Chribba, when somethings wrong its wrong. Funny how every goonswarm post is in defence of their awesome leader by default, kinda like how he got voted chair in the first place It's funny how he got more votes than he has people in the entirety of the GSF alliance. Cause I keep all of my characters in the one alliance too.
You sir are a ******* ignorant moron. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
216
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:20:00 -
[1195] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.
And that is exactly why CCP will have to ban The Mittani. Because in a way, inciting thousands of people to grief someone until the victim commits suicide is worse than telling someone "go kill yourself" on forums. I believe people have been banned for exactly that. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:20:00 -
[1196] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:What... in the hell... are you talking about???
Are you high?
A high goes away. Publord rage is like herpes. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:21:00 -
[1197] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Once Mittani issued a public apology and indicated that he was absolutely NOT in favor of harassing The Wiz (formally rescinding his previous stupid comment), and considering that no harassment took place in the meantime that would absolve Mittani from any legal issues.
CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.
As much as you'd like to blow this up into a huge drama, there is little chance of that. I bought the gun, I went to his house and waited, then when he walked through the door - I shot his ass. But it's ok, I apologised afterwards and told them I was drunk - for those 7 days. Yeah doesn't really add up does it ? So when is the new chairman due to be chosen ? What... in the hell... are you talking about??? Are you high?
I really hope that his command of English is just really poor. Also, I love your sig comment. Take all my likes. :D |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:21:00 -
[1198] - Quote
wow Mittens appologised.
I don't think I would have done that.
I am by nature a nice guy.
This really makes me made at the mob mentality of the people asking for his regsgnation. Now those Are CYBER BULLYS if I ever saw any!!
so no more drinking on the Alliance Pannels please
Stop this female dog in heat slap fest and move on! I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
33
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:21:00 -
[1199] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:Shere wrote:This is about people with some goon-grudge trying to find some oil for their torches and a stone to sharpen their pitchforks on It wouldn't matter whether it was the Mittani or Chribba, when somethings wrong its wrong. Funny how every goonswarm post is in defence of their awesome leader by default, kinda like how he got voted chair in the first place It's funny how he got more votes than he has people in the entirety of the GSF alliance. Cause I keep all of my characters in the one alliance too. You sir are a ******* ignorant moron.
Resorting to insults. You win. |
Shogun Archer
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:21:00 -
[1200] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.
And that is exactly why CCP will have to ban The Mittani. Because in a way, inciting thousands of people to grief someone until the victim commits suicide is worse than telling someone "go kill yourself" on forums. I believe people have been banned for exactly that.
I believe you are griefing him right now. How about we ban you? If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
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Dalmont Delantee
The Black Legionnares BLACK-MARK
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:22:00 -
[1201] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:RougeOperator wrote: "Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."
Let us know when two and three are done.
One is done, both here and to the miner. Three is done. Two takes a post, and I should probably discuss it with the CSM before I mash butan. I think Two Step would make a fine Chairman, though.
Don't do it Mittani people are just jumping on you for a drunken comment.
All these people have done the same thing when they were drunk, even if it was saying to their boss that they think his wife's hot and wants to plough that one....just me then? :P |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:23:00 -
[1202] - Quote
it's funny with the outcry for a ban against Mittens... Never going to happen....
Mad pubbies are going to be mad |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:23:00 -
[1203] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:
Resorting to insults. You win.
Can't win a logical argument against someone who has already chosen to forsake the idea. I can still state facts about your mental capacity, and liken it to that of a child's. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1294
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:23:00 -
[1204] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: CCP regularly bans anyone making any form of a direct death threat IRL if a petition is filed, absolving them of any legal wrongdoing or potential lawsuit.
And that is exactly why CCP will have to ban The Mittani. Because in a way, inciting thousands of people to grief someone until the victim commits suicide is worse than telling someone "go kill yourself" on forums. I believe people have been banned for exactly that.
They may very well decide to do that, at their own discretion. They are certainly under no legal duress in this matter, no actual harassment actually took place. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:24:00 -
[1205] - Quote
Sincere apology my ass. He's only sorry he was caught on tape and his arrogant, drunken rant posted on the internet. I sure won't cry when CCP throws his sorry ass under the bus to fade the heat from this PR debacle.
You people defending this sort of behavior are damn near as bad as Mittens. Look up the word "enabler"... |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
33
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:25:00 -
[1206] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:
Resorting to insults. You win.
Can't win a logical argument against someone who has already chosen to forsake the idea. I can still state facts about your mental capacity, and liken it to that of a child's.
Then instead of insulting me, tell me how my logic is flawed. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:25:00 -
[1207] - Quote
Resignation is the only option. |
Sudden Eye
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:25:00 -
[1208] - Quote
I'd let you borrow my guide to suicide, but I won't get it back |
Shogun Archer
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:26:00 -
[1209] - Quote
Nick Bete wrote:Sincere apology my ass. He's only sorry he was caught on tape and his arrogant, drunken rant posted on the internet. I sure won't cry when CCP throws his sorry ass under the bus to fade the heat from this PR debacle. You people defending this sort of behavior are damn near as bad as Mittens. Look up the word "enabler"...
It really bothered you didn't it?
If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Sandra Vellocet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:28:00 -
[1210] - Quote
I like role playing games like Eve online |
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weat bix
Kiwi's and Company Mordus Angels
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:28:00 -
[1211] - Quote
If Mittani is not baned from the game it would mean everyone is allowed to call for all eve players to harras someone untill they kill them self, seems simple.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
89
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:28:00 -
[1212] - Quote
Mechael wrote:Anyone else would be banned.
Seriously, wtf CCP.
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:29:00 -
[1213] - Quote
Nick Bete wrote:Sincere apology my ass. He's only sorry he was caught on tape and his arrogant, drunken rant posted on the internet. I sure won't cry when CCP throws his sorry ass under the bus to fade the heat from this PR debacle. You people defending this sort of behavior are damn near as bad as Mittens. Look up the word "enabler"... He's not sorry, he just says he is - really he is just afraid. Resignation is the only option. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
218
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:29:00 -
[1214] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future plaintiffs in lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though. You sure sound like you know what you are talking about, unfortunately you do not. You would have to prove CCP's criminal negligence, when there is none. Your argument is akin to saying Eve online is an attractive nuisance.
So you don't think anyone could possibly make an argument that failing to ban The Mittani after his comments was "careless, inattentive, neglectful, willfully blind" on CCP's part? I think someone could make that argument.
By the way I think you meant "gross negligence" not criminal negligence, since that's more to do with mens rea in criminal cases. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Shogun Archer
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:29:00 -
[1215] - Quote
weat bix wrote:If Mittani is not baned from the game it would mean everyone is allowed to call for all eve players to harras someone untill they kill them self, seems simple.
Except nobody killed themselves, so... well. Yeah. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
JoeTwo PointOh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:30:00 -
[1216] - Quote
Bravo.
I neither know you, nor have anything other than neutral feelings towards you/goons in general, but I have to say that seems to be a very sincere apology.
Well said sir, Well Said. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
35
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:30:00 -
[1217] - Quote
At this point... It's a done deal. Mittens will be gone from the CSM and maybe the game for a while. Deal with it. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:30:00 -
[1218] - Quote
weat bix wrote:If Mittani is not baned from the game it would mean everyone is allowed to call for all eve players to harras someone untill they kill them self, seems simple.
typical responce from a pubbie.... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1294
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:31:00 -
[1219] - Quote
Welp, I'm going to have the catch the rest of this freak show tomorrow.
That should slow down the rapid expansion of this thread significantly. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:31:00 -
[1220] - Quote
JoeTwo PointOh wrote:Bravo.
I neither know you, nor have anything other than neutral feelings towards you/goons in general, but I have to say that seems to be a very sincere apology.
Well said sir, Well Said.
The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
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Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:32:00 -
[1221] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slldMEPvUqA
/thread |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:32:00 -
[1222] - Quote
Mittens will resign, deal with it~ |
Shogun Archer
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:32:00 -
[1223] - Quote
HazardsSoul wrote:weat bix wrote:If Mittani is not baned from the game it would mean everyone is allowed to call for all eve players to harras someone untill they kill them self, seems simple.
typical responce from a pubbie....
Hey, not all "pubbies" are idiots... And no, I'm not trying to get into GSF. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:32:00 -
[1224] - Quote
Dear Mittens,
I humbly accept your apology, be it sincere or not, although I do not believe that resignation from the CSM is the proper course of action at this point of time.
However, you may still atone for your sins by choosing one of the next 3 punishments.
a) Agree to be placed in a centipede between D3 and Xenuria. b) Enforce a Ferox-only fleet setup for your alliance for a period of at least 3 weeks. c) Give me your dog. Please.
Masa xx |
Shogun Archer
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:33:00 -
[1225] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Powers Sa wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:This may come as a shock, but there doesn't have to be a law passed against something to file a lawsuit over something. All you need is a damaged plaintiff, like a victim who attempted suicide for example, and a good argument for comparative negligence. CCP doing nothing about this would help that argument quite a bit. problem is that the "victim" here doesn't give a rat's ass The problem there is you're ignoring the possibility of future plaintiffs in lawsuits in which the victim does give a rat's ass. And sues. CCP won't make the same mistake you are though. You sure sound like you know what you are talking about, unfortunately you do not. You would have to prove CCP's criminal negligence, when there is none. Your argument is akin to saying Eve online is an attractive nuisance. So you don't think anyone could possibly make an argument that failing to ban The Mittani after his comments was "careless, inattentive, neglectful, willfully blind" on CCP's part? I think someone could make that argument. By the way I think you meant "gross negligence" not criminal negligence, since that's more to do with mens rea in criminal cases.
I am starting to think you are a law troll.
Really enjoying the veiled threats. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Bane Necran
166
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:34:00 -
[1226] - Quote
Shogun Archer wrote:It really bothered you didn't it?
I know it made me mad.
I'm still a little mad, but i'm getting ready for bed, so i'm trying to not be so mad.
Tomorrow, though, i'll be mad again. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:34:00 -
[1227] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittens will resign, deal with it~
Just like more of your titans? Please do welp more |
Vertigo Ren
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:35:00 -
[1228] - Quote
posting in an out of control over-blown reaction threadnaught! |
Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:36:00 -
[1229] - Quote
Shere wrote:You people are so dense. No, it's you. Damage has been already done and it can only get worse from here: "Official CCP's community representative harassing EVE players and trying to drive them to commit suicide in RL" - that's all which will be remembered and repeated over and over again - if you think that Mittani can get away from it, you are very naive. |
Sandra Vellocet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:37:00 -
[1230] - Quote
bump
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Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:38:00 -
[1231] - Quote
Aldarica wrote:Shere wrote:You people are so dense. No, it's you. Damage has been already done and it can only get worse from here: "Official CCP's community representative harassing EVE players and trying to drive them to commit suicide in RL" - that's all which will be remembered and repeated over and over again - if you think that Mittani can get away from it, you are very naive.
Exactly. Alot of gaming sites are covering it now, the same way in which Mittani himself called CCP out over game abandonment..... No hiding now |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3549
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:39:00 -
[1232] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:At this point... It's a done deal. Mittens will be gone from the CSM and maybe the game for a while. Deal with it.
lol "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Klann Schreck
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:40:00 -
[1233] - Quote
This.... Is the greatest tragedy since 9/11. When I think about the suffering and torment that that young man's family (he was in his 30s? ****.) went through when he killed himself (he forgot about it and is alive and mining? god dammit) I can only hope that we get rid of this awful man who said some unbearably sinister things (said by most of the people in game? ******* throw me a bone here) and those that support him and his evil desires. Because seriously. **** those guys.
Honestly the only victim here is The mittani's puppy. Can you imagine how much that sweet dog has missed him while he was gone this whole time? That poor creature. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:40:00 -
[1234] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:
Resorting to insults. You win.
Can't win a logical argument against someone who has already chosen to forsake the idea. I can still state facts about your mental capacity, and liken it to that of a child's. Then instead of insulting me, tell me how my logic is flawed.
You're insinuating only Goons and Goon alts and Goon affiliates voted for Mittens. An overwhelming amount of non-CFC persons have come forward as Mittani supporters and voters. |
Shogun Archer
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:41:00 -
[1235] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:Aldarica wrote:Shere wrote:You people are so dense. No, it's you. Damage has been already done and it can only get worse from here: "Official CCP's community representative harassing EVE players and trying to drive them to commit suicide in RL" - that's all which will be remembered and repeated over and over again - if you think that Mittani can get away from it, you are very naive. Exactly. Alot of gaming sites are covering it now, the same way in which Mittani himself called CCP out over game abandonment..... No hiding now
And this thrills your little heart. I believe you are more destructive than those you accuse. You enjoy it. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:41:00 -
[1236] - Quote
Resign, resign, resign! |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Shameless Suicidal Space Barbies
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:41:00 -
[1237] - Quote
For a game with an almost wholely male playerbase, there sure is a lot of drama and bitchiness in Eve Online.
Can't shake the feeling this was all an epic masterplan set in motion to solidify Mittani's position as King of Space. Predict this all blows over and next year he gets 20,000 votes. You heard it here first. |
Quebber
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:42:00 -
[1238] - Quote
In all this one subject became clear, yes cyber bullying did occur but not by The Mittani, his mistake was too much drink and lets remember no one at that panel took it out of context, they knew how drunk he was.
When the votes were in and The Mittani got twice the result of anyone else people like darius, raiden members and others goons have pissed off in game then they used a torrent of alts to attack The Mittani to spread the out of context event to media.
I have never seen so much hatred nastiness against one person.
The eve community as a whole is lessened by it, the negative spotlight of the press was not caused by The Mittani or his actions, it was Darius and his ilk of pitchfork wielding idiots, it was all those who goons have scammed in game, fought in wars over and over proving what can be challenged. |
Shogun Archer
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:42:00 -
[1239] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Resign, resign, resign!
r3sign r3sign r3sign If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:43:00 -
[1240] - Quote
Degren wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slldMEPvUqA
/thread
Well played sir. |
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
219
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:43:00 -
[1241] - Quote
Alex should have gotten whoever wrote Helgar's apology to write his too. Maybe that way he would have avoided looking duplicitous and insincere. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:44:00 -
[1242] - Quote
Masamune Dekoro wrote:Dear Mittens,
I humbly accept your apology, be it sincere or not, although I do not believe that resignation from the CSM is the proper course of action at this point of time.
However, you may still atone for your sins by choosing one of the next 3 punishments.
a) Agree to be placed in a centipede between D3 and Xenuria. b) Enforce a Ferox-only fleet setup for your alliance for a period of at least 3 weeks. c) Give me your dog. Please.
Masa xx 1200 Feroxes (Feroxi?) would still be a force to be reckoned with. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:44:00 -
[1243] - Quote
Sandra Vellocet wrote: bump
XD well played, actually gave me a good laugh. Personally, I think repurcussions will have to come, only because that is what is mandated by ccp. I expect a temporary ban, some more wordings and clarity to the EULA/ToS and pretty sure Mittani won't be able to CSM if he decides not to step down. Mittani has put alot into eve, is part of eve despite myself disliking the goon style and the action of fanfest. |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:44:00 -
[1244] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:
Resorting to insults. You win.
Can't win a logical argument against someone who has already chosen to forsake the idea. I can still state facts about your mental capacity, and liken it to that of a child's. Then instead of insulting me, tell me how my logic is flawed. You're insinuating only Goons and Goon alts and Goon affiliates voted for Mittens. An overwhelming amount of non-CFC persons have come forward as Mittani supporters and voters.
So your saying the majority of his votes came from Non-goonswarm affiliated accounts?
|
Klann Schreck
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:44:00 -
[1245] - Quote
Sugar Von MurdererTits wrote:For a game with an almost wholely male playerbase, there sure is a lot of drama and bitchiness in Eve Online.
Can't shake the feeling this was all an epic masterplan set in motion to solidify Mittani's position as King of Space. Predict this all blows over and next year he gets 20,000 votes. You heard it here first.
Probably only like 15k. A doubling of votes MAY be pushing it. He's a wizard not an undefinable power of time and space. |
Murrior
La Blue Girl KUGUTSUMEN.
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:44:00 -
[1246] - Quote
Seriously? Mittens was drunk and that pretty much explains it all. It's one of the most classic jokes that go around Eve over a crying carebear or a furious poster who seems to take things too seriously, 'will this one suicide irl?'.
If he wasn't drunk he'd probably realise how terrible it would be to name him but the fact this has been given so much publicity as if the guy actually suicided over this, just shows that mmo media is clueless about eve's culture and a joke like that is part of it (Not the naming of the person at Fanfest of course). Though it's still trivial, yes even for the MIGHTY CSM CHAIRMAN.
He also gave him the opportunity to become famous and run for CSM, all the haters and carebears would probably vote for him so that's something to think about. |
Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:46:00 -
[1247] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:JoeTwo PointOh wrote:Bravo.
I neither know you, nor have anything other than neutral feelings towards you/goons in general, but I have to say that seems to be a very sincere apology.
Well said sir, Well Said. The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
Because clearly someone that's been in the default NPC corp for their bloodline for a day constitutes them being an NPC alt
I'll take the time to mention again that The Wis wasn't actually harmed in any way. In that little chat snippet he only mentions what could happen, dismissing the whole thing as being absurd with a 'j/k' because he obviously knows better. It seems that the only people that are still keeping up the witch hunt are people that want Mittens off the CSM for the titan tracking nerf or some other asinine reason. Fix incursions today! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60460 |
Khorian
Versatech Co. Raiden.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:46:00 -
[1248] - Quote
If he hadn't apologized, some goons would still be babbling about how everyone who is offended by this is a dumb pubbie with no sense of humor. Now the great leader has apologized and it dawns on them that maybe they were indeed out of line.
Thats the real problem i see here. Mittani has so much power over so many people that follow him blindly without thinking, that he should be much more aware of the effect of his words and actions in game and also out of game. The bigger the crowd, the easier it is to manipulate. The Mittani knows how to use this power, but with great power comes great responsibility.
Or he is really just trolling us all, in wich case he really is a giant ******* irl with no heart or sense of responsibility. I doubt that tho, for his own sake
Case closed. Now, let's get back to shooting each other ingame shall we? |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:46:00 -
[1249] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:Haulin Aussie wrote:
Resorting to insults. You win.
Can't win a logical argument against someone who has already chosen to forsake the idea. I can still state facts about your mental capacity, and liken it to that of a child's. Then instead of insulting me, tell me how my logic is flawed. You're insinuating only Goons and Goon alts and Goon affiliates voted for Mittens. An overwhelming amount of non-CFC persons have come forward as Mittani supporters and voters. So your saying the majority of his votes came from Non-goonswarm affiliated accounts?
At a guess I'd say around 2000...which is about what most other candidates got for their totals. |
Zombatar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:47:00 -
[1250] - Quote
RESIGN. NOW.
Being drunk is not an excuse for your actions, you silly.
---
CCP this is unacceptable, it has gone too far, its also your fault people can DRINK during a public event that is also broadcasted and you had no moderator to oversee the discussions?
Someone at CCP must be held accountable too. As for The Mittani he is long over due for a ban. If he will keep the CSM position that is illegitimate, un-representative of the community. CCP better step up to the plate and clean this mess, that includes THE MITTANI. |
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Pedro Chang
Scorpus Legion
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:50:00 -
[1251] - Quote
Quebber wrote:In all this one subject became clear, yes cyber bullying did occur but not by The Mittani, his mistake was too much drink and lets remember no one at that panel took it out of context, they knew how drunk he was.
When the votes were in and The Mittani got twice the result of anyone else people like darius, raiden members and others goons have pissed off in game then they used a torrent of alts to attack The Mittani to spread the out of context event to media.
I have never seen so much hatred nastiness against one person.
The eve community as a whole is lessened by it, the negative spotlight of the press was not caused by The Mittani or his actions, it was Darius and his ilk of pitchfork wielding idiots, it was all those who goons have scammed in game, fought in wars over and over proving what can be challenged. Nice absolution. Seriously, bravo. Seems awfully nasty to entice a crowd to join in on the ribbing of some random guy, but it was all alcohol, right? |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:51:00 -
[1252] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Masamune Dekoro wrote:Dear Mittens,
I humbly accept your apology, be it sincere or not, although I do not believe that resignation from the CSM is the proper course of action at this point of time.
However, you may still atone for your sins by choosing one of the next 3 punishments.
a) Agree to be placed in a centipede between D3 and Xenuria. b) Enforce a Ferox-only fleet setup for your alliance for a period of at least 3 weeks. c) Give me your dog. Please.
Masa xx 1200 Feroxes (Feroxi?) would still be a force to be reckoned with.
Sshhh I want that dog |
Etheon Teknesch
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:52:00 -
[1253] - Quote
Got to wonder what CCP said to him in order to get him to do this heartfelt apology.
Also, great to see all the Goons that defended his behaviour over the last few days do a 180-¦ or stay strangely silent. Especially that harlot cretin.
This thread made my morning so far, keep it coming. |
Zxmagus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:53:00 -
[1254] - Quote
Don't resign and don't feed this stupid troll any more. |
IsTheOpOver
85
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:54:00 -
[1255] - Quote
About the apology. It reads about the same as a goon posting "This is an outrage! I will look into this" in a "goons scammed me" thread. No way is this genuine, although instead of being 100% troll I do believe he's trying to do some damage control.
10.7b given to The wis? Really? pics or it didn't happen ;) Seems like he didn't know it happened from the logs posted. Maybe he doesn't see his wallet flashing.
People thinking 10.7b is a lot? Maybe to some people, but to someone ice mining with 22 accounts, this is less than a week's income. Maybe that explains why he didn't notice it.
The Wis is alive, doing well, and unhurt? Nobody got hurt? Why the fuss? Eve's reputation got hurt as did the reputation of it's players. This is not going to help Eve grow it's playerbase. If a husband hires a hitman to kill his wife and the plot is foiled, it's still a pretty serious crime even if the wife is unharmed. (this is an analogy here before someone posts "wait, Mittani hired a hitman to kill the wis?")
I guess it won't get real until Sony says "**** this ****" and pulls the plug on Dust.
CCP really has no option here. The Mittani must be removed from the CSM. They may want to consider if it's worth having the CSM around at all from here on out.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3554
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:55:00 -
[1256] - Quote
IsTheOpOver wrote:I guess it won't get real until Sony says "**** this ****" and pulls the plug on Dust.
sony cares about PR ahahaha
yummy, yummy paste "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:55:00 -
[1257] - Quote
Masamune Dekoro wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote:Masamune Dekoro wrote:Dear Mittens,
I humbly accept your apology, be it sincere or not, although I do not believe that resignation from the CSM is the proper course of action at this point of time.
However, you may still atone for your sins by choosing one of the next 3 punishments.
a) Agree to be placed in a centipede between D3 and Xenuria. b) Enforce a Ferox-only fleet setup for your alliance for a period of at least 3 weeks. c) Give me your dog. Please.
Masa xx 1200 Feroxes (Feroxi?) would still be a force to be reckoned with. Sshhh I want that dog
Me too. And his goatee. Get the goatee. |
Klann Schreck
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:55:00 -
[1258] - Quote
I think we're all ignoring one important fact- If you're ice mining with 23 accounts in highsec how is anything someone else does to you going to make you hate life any more? |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
895
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:56:00 -
[1259] - Quote
lol |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
895
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:57:00 -
[1260] - Quote
I, too, can't breathe without my mouth |
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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
895
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:57:00 -
[1261] - Quote
But that's ok because my skin is so thin it's oxygen permeable |
Shogun Archer
44
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:58:00 -
[1262] - Quote
IsTheOpOver wrote:About the apology. It reads about the same as a goon posting "This is an outrage! I will look into this" in a "goons scammed me" thread. No way is this genuine, although instead of being 100% troll I do believe he's trying to do some damage control.
10.7b given to The wis? Really? pics or it didn't happen ;) Seems like he didn't know it happened from the logs posted. Maybe he doesn't see his wallet flashing.
People thinking 10.7b is a lot? Maybe to some people, but to someone ice mining with 22 accounts, this is less than a week's income. Maybe that explains why he didn't notice it.
The Wis is alive, doing well, and unhurt? Nobody got hurt? Why the fuss? Eve's reputation got hurt as did the reputation of it's players. This is not going to help Eve grow it's playerbase. If a husband hires a hitman to kill his wife and the plot is foiled, it's still a pretty serious crime even if the wife is unharmed. (this is an analogy here before someone posts "wait, Mittani hired a hitman to kill the wis?")
I guess it won't get real until Sony says "**** this ****" and pulls the plug on Dust.
CCP really has no option here. The Mittani must be removed from the CSM. They may want to consider if it's worth having the CSM around at all from here on out.
I love all the legal doomsday scenarios... You guys are having a ball with this.
If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 06:59:00 -
[1263] - Quote
Vee produces no content for the thread. Resign, mittens! |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:01:00 -
[1264] - Quote
I guess its pretty funny to hear Goons troll everyone else in game with terms like "pubbie." I know over time, I've come to think of them as "wall boogers." You know? The left overs on the bathroom stall door in a public rest room after some jerk needing a dump decided to clean out his nose too? Unfailingly they line em all up in a row...
Makes em look just like goons. Wall boogers each and every one. |
Shogun Archer
44
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:01:00 -
[1265] - Quote
We need a clever name for this scandal. Something like "Mittanigate", only clever. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:01:00 -
[1266] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Vee produces no content for the thread. Resign, mittens!
Resign so that the Gyrobuses may live another day. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
402
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:02:00 -
[1267] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:I guess its pretty funny to hear Goons troll everyone else in game with terms like "pubbie." I know over time, I've come to think of them as "wall boogers." You know? The left overs on the bathroom stall door in a public rest room after some jerk needing a dump decided to clean out his nose too? Unfailingly they line em all up in a row...
Makes em look just like goons. Wall boogers each and every one.
That's pretty harsh talk mister.
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:03:00 -
[1268] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:de4deye wrote:Vee produces no content for the thread. Resign, mittens! Resign so that the Gyrobuses may live another day. If our bus would have had 1 more gyro he would have possibly killed that whole CFC fleet... |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
420
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:03:00 -
[1269] - Quote
RoyofCA for CEO 2012 Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
145
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:03:00 -
[1270] - Quote
Shogun Archer wrote:We need a nickname for this scandal. Something like "Mittanigate", only clever.
Bullygate? Malicegate? Sociopathgate? My EVE YouTube Channel |
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Shogun Archer
45
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:06:00 -
[1271] - Quote
Revolution Rising wrote:Shogun Archer wrote:We need a nickname for this scandal. Something like "Mittanigate", only clever. Bullygate? Malicegate? Sociopathgate?
feignedoutragegate?
If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Death Killer21
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:06:00 -
[1272] - Quote
No m8, ure apology will never be accepted. You have preformed a act of cyber bullying. This is illegal and should be bannable. If CCP does NOT ban you then there is somthing wrong in their head. If you got drunk and did that then u dont deserve the position of CSM.
My Suggestion to you: Leave Death killer21
Caldari and amarr Mission service.-á Contact me for more info |
Altimo
Clan Hyena Axiom Solaris
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:07:00 -
[1273] - Quote
I don't see the point in people freaking out about this honestly. EVE is a very impersonal game, taking your personal issues into a video game with people you don't know and are more than likely not going to take you seriously and troll you is just plain stupid.
If someone else was in Mittani's position, had such an eve mail sent to him after ganking 23 alts and leading an alliance that literally takes joy at doing villainous acts, they probably would have done the same thing. The person in question should take this as a personal example of what not to do in a mmo video game that is all about player vs player and blowing each other up in the end.
Also, if he really was depressed, I don't think the Mittani suicide hotline should have been his choice to voice his issues, there are other places for that. =/
Mittani probably should not have given out the name of the person in question. But he did, because at the time he was drunk and being silly. He's acknowledged this apologized, the horse is dead, let it die, and learn not to bring your personal drama into a game that is not supposed to be personal.
Yes hes a CSM member but hes human, he makes mistakes just like everyone else, as much as I hate the goons in game, I respect their accomplishments out of game. They make for a great villain, Eve would be boring without them.
kthxbye
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Klann Schreck
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:08:00 -
[1274] - Quote
Revolution Rising wrote:Shogun Archer wrote:We need a nickname for this scandal. Something like "Mittanigate", only clever. Bullygate? Malicegate? Sociopathgate?
You missed the key word didn't you? it's OK I'll repeat it for you: Clever. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
139
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:09:00 -
[1275] - Quote
Shogun Archer wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:Shogun Archer wrote:We need a nickname for this scandal. Something like "Mittanigate", only clever. Bullygate? Malicegate? Sociopathgate? feignedoutragegate?
I've got it! throwingsucidialpeopleunderthepressbuserrydaygate! |
Shogun Archer
45
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:10:00 -
[1276] - Quote
Klann Schreck wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:Shogun Archer wrote:We need a nickname for this scandal. Something like "Mittanigate", only clever. Bullygate? Malicegate? Sociopathgate? You missed the key word didn't you? it's OK I'll repeat it for you: Clever.
Gentlemen of Buttermilk?
If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
53
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:11:00 -
[1277] - Quote
Mittani = Kevorkian. Resign. |
Klann Schreck
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:12:00 -
[1278] - Quote
Shogun Archer wrote:Klann Schreck wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:Shogun Archer wrote:We need a nickname for this scandal. Something like "Mittanigate", only clever. Bullygate? Malicegate? Sociopathgate? You missed the key word didn't you? it's OK I'll repeat it for you: Clever. Gentlemen of Buttermilk?
Wait you can get in touch with the Gentlemen of Buttermilk!? Dude I haven't had Buttermilk in... wait what are we talking about now? Does your buttermilk cost you 1500 a key? |
DaDutchDude
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:12:00 -
[1279] - Quote
Well said Mittens.
Mistakes were made, but they can be (and in my eyes, have now been) fixed. Although it's too bad this has happened, I hope this event makes people recognize that there should indeed be a line between in-game and real life, and they are themselves responsible for maintaining it.
Respect. They say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I always have the best intentions for others ... |
Truce Billis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:13:00 -
[1280] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittani = Kevorkian. Resign. Sir, I do believe that is called a Kill Assist and is worth at least one point. |
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Shogun Archer
45
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:14:00 -
[1281] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittani = Kevorkian. Resign.
Kevorkian is actually quite a hero. allowing people to have control of their own time and place of their death if they are suffering...
What exactly is wrong with that?
If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Lord Grantham
Downton Endeavours
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:14:00 -
[1282] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittani = Kevorkian. Resign.
Right to die laws are considered a good thing for the terminal ill. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3558
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:15:00 -
[1283] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Vee produces no content for the thread. Resign, mittens!
vee doesn't post on eve-o you maniac "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
454
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:15:00 -
[1284] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:de4deye wrote:Vee produces no content for the thread. Resign, mittens! Resign so that the Gyrobuses may live another day.
Ragnabus
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
147
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:15:00 -
[1285] - Quote
Actaully, I'd really like to know the formula he came up with for the 11b isk.
What made you give him 11b? Why not 12b? or 10b?
10 is a nice round number.
My EVE YouTube Channel |
Murrior
La Blue Girl KUGUTSUMEN.
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:16:00 -
[1286] - Quote
Yes it's really horrible that for the first time the game has a csm chairman the majority of the playerbase knows who he is, that the csm actually passes stuff and does things and who is actually clever and enjoyable. You should definitely trade that for some nameless dumb dude who won't do **** just because he got drunk and ****** up. |
Klann Schreck
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:16:00 -
[1287] - Quote
Truce Billis wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittani = Kevorkian. Resign. Sir, I do believe that is called a Kill Assist and is worth at least one point.
No killmail no points |
Atedar Kerane
Silentium Mortalitas Mortal Destruction
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:17:00 -
[1288] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
You should probably read the Tearms of Service again, that is, assuming you even read them once
Quote:You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
Your apology is appriciated, but trying to justify your poor behavior with roleplaying is not. |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:19:00 -
[1289] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittani = Kevorkian. Resign.
I heard that if you repeat the same thing over and over the NC. learns how to fit a titan..
well it's what I heard... who is your main, and what does he do? |
Tiberius Murderhorne
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:20:00 -
[1290] - Quote
I'm not a fan of the goons and i didn't vote for mittens but with that said I have great respect for a man that can see when he has done wrong and stand up in front of a crowed and admit it...
this is simply a case of a drunk dude taking a joke too far, we have all done it at some point, maybe not in such a public way...
what ever happens happens...
Cheers Tib CCP Fix Faction War!! - Soo much potential! sooo much awesome! Sort it!
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
142
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:21:00 -
[1291] - Quote
Revolution Rising wrote:Actaully, I'd really like to know the formula he came up with for the 11b isk.
What made you give him 11b? Why not 12b? or 10b?
10 is a nice round number.
It was the entire content of his personal wallet. 10.7b I think was the actual total. |
Dhakgar
Next Gen Technology Next Generation Alliance
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:22:00 -
[1292] - Quote
how many goon alts have posted "chairman of my heart" |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
401
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:22:00 -
[1293] - Quote
As I said before, had this been anyone else it wouldnt have made an ripples. The only people calling for his resignation are those who didnt want him as csm chair in the first place, the outrage directed at him is just political theatre, used to try and achieve what his opposition couldnt achieve with votes.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
48
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:24:00 -
[1294] - Quote
Well, after the attitudes presented by the organization, the lack of the promised resignation, and this tasteful gem:
http://i.imgur.com/NEqxu.gif
I'm gonna go ahead and assume this is all a long con. This type of activity doesn't seem very apologetic to me. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
43
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:26:00 -
[1295] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Well, after the attitudes presented by the organization, the lack of the promised resignation, and this tasteful gem: http://i.imgur.com/NEqxu.gifI'm gonna go ahead and assume this is all a long con. This type of activity doesn't seem very apologetic to me.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that it is difficult for people to post on forums while they are on an airplane. |
Klann Schreck
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:26:00 -
[1296] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Well, after the attitudes presented by the organization, the lack of the promised resignation, and this tasteful gem: http://i.imgur.com/NEqxu.gifI'm gonna go ahead and assume this is all a long con. This type of activity doesn't seem very apologetic to me.
I'm reminded of darius Johnson getting mails from the GMs about the shape of posmods. Because obviously mittens was the only one who could have made that gif. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
56
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:27:00 -
[1297] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:As I said before, had this been anyone else it wouldnt have made an ripples. The only people calling for his resignation are those who didnt want him as csm chair in the first place, the outrage directed at him is just political theatre, used to try and achieve what his opposition couldnt achieve with votes.
Not true.. I am just in awe at the sorts of things Mitten's buddies would make up, even to use all their npc alts to post good things about him - after what a monster he's proven himself to be. "I made fun of a suicidal person, then told others to deal with it~, then said sorry after I realized I was in trouble, It's ok now rite?" |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:27:00 -
[1298] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Well, after the attitudes presented by the organization, the lack of the promised resignation, and this tasteful gem: http://i.imgur.com/NEqxu.gifI'm gonna go ahead and assume this is all a long con. This type of activity doesn't seem very apologetic to me.
I don't think I've ever had a lower opinion of someone (except possibly the person who created that). |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:28:00 -
[1299] - Quote
Man, 90% of these posts from the hurf blurf derpaderps are troll. Way too many internet lawyers who have no idea what they are talking about, and instead are copy/pasting form wiki.
All these morons on their soap boxes condemning Mittens are all trolls, and just want him ousted from the CSM because they have an inherent hate for the man, who really didn't do anything to them personally, yet they hate him in a personal way.
He said what he said, then he apologized. The Wise had no idea what was even said, then didn't even care he said it, and had no recollection of that long mail he sent Mittens in the first friggin place. It shows that The Wise moved the heck on from that situation, and continues to do what he does in the game despite being ganked all the time. It tells me the guy knows how to brush it off. Ya know, I bet The Wise sent that evemail to try and get Mittens to feel bad so that Mittens would send money to him or get some kind of vindication.
You guys are making too much of a big deal about this, when the target of it didn't even care about it. I say, move on before you have heart attacks or whatever other health concerns fat people in their mom's basements have, because it's really unhealthy for you.
Mittens should stay where he is, and should at most get a chat ban or some short administration ban from CCP, and we all just move the hell on. |
Shogun Archer
48
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:29:00 -
[1300] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Rico Minali wrote:As I said before, had this been anyone else it wouldnt have made an ripples. The only people calling for his resignation are those who didnt want him as csm chair in the first place, the outrage directed at him is just political theatre, used to try and achieve what his opposition couldnt achieve with votes.
Not true.. I am just in awe at the sorts of things Mitten's buddies would make up, even to use all their npc alts to post good things about him - after what a monster he's proven himself to be. "I made fun of a suicidal person, then told others to deal with it~, then said sorry after I realized I was in trouble, It's ok now rite?"
Dude, that 4 doesn't look like an A.
If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
557
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:29:00 -
[1301] - Quote
"The mittani" is a character of a roleplayer in eve who leads the Goonswarm? The world as I know it makes no sense.
Seriously this must be a troll right? Right?
If it isn't a troll, I am glad that somebody at least had some insight on they way that alliance panel came across on the stream, a little late, but better late then never. "I don't know what I said" though is the lamest, most often used lie in the history of being caught red faced.
PS: The no Holes Barred bit was excellent. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Klann Schreck
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:32:00 -
[1302] - Quote
If you read all of the posts condemning mittens in a JFK voice they become quite entertaining. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1031
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:32:00 -
[1303] - Quote
If he resigns he throws away the votes of over 10,000 subscribers who chose him to represent them to CCP.
He said some dumb ****, he apologized for it, move on. If anything he should apologize for being horribly unfunny and for giving a really lazy presentation |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3560
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:33:00 -
[1304] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Well, after the attitudes presented by the organization, the lack of the promised resignation, and this tasteful gem: http://i.imgur.com/NEqxu.gifI'm gonna go ahead and assume this is all a long con. This type of activity doesn't seem very apologetic to me.
Random crap you find on goonfleet.com, a limited-access forum, has no relevance here. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
43
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:34:00 -
[1305] - Quote
Andski wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Well, after the attitudes presented by the organization, the lack of the promised resignation, and this tasteful gem: http://i.imgur.com/NEqxu.gifI'm gonna go ahead and assume this is all a long con. This type of activity doesn't seem very apologetic to me. Random crap you find on goonfleet.com, a limited-access forum, has no relevance here.
I saw it on SA first. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3563
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:36:00 -
[1306] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Andski wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Well, after the attitudes presented by the organization, the lack of the promised resignation, and this tasteful gem: http://i.imgur.com/NEqxu.gifI'm gonna go ahead and assume this is all a long con. This type of activity doesn't seem very apologetic to me. Random crap you find on goonfleet.com, a limited-access forum, has no relevance here. I saw it on SA first.
That wasn't even posted by him so what's your point? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:36:00 -
[1307] - Quote
What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted. Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life.
CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine.
Vile rat wrote:If he resigns he throws away the votes of over 10,000 subscribers who chose him to represent them to CCP.
And he should have thought of that before going drunk out of his ass to panel and saying crap like that. You know, use that big blob above his neck which sometimes being refered to as a brain. |
Altimo
Clan Hyena Axiom Solaris
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:38:00 -
[1308] - Quote
You know the funny thing about this whole issue was that someone else other than The Wis that posted formal complaints. Unless I missed something, he should have been the one to write letters to CCP and other blogger sites or whatever.
It wasn't him, it was someone else, I have not seen one post from this person and everyone wanting Mittani to resign is talking about this like it directly concerns them.
This isn't about the suicidal player its about the lot of you here just not wanting Mittani to have his position on the CSM period.
Had this person The Wis actually made a case, I might of taken this more seriously. Then again, ever listen to the song outsider by A perfect circle? The near the end of the song it says..
"If you choose to pull the trigger, should your drama prove sincere, Do it somewhere far away from here."
While those aren't my words its definitely how I feel about attention whores. =/ |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:39:00 -
[1309] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted. Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life.
CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine.
You're an alt. Your opinion does not matter. This is not news. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
406
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:40:00 -
[1310] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote: You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted.
.
CCP, can you ban this person please for making threats. Is that ok? Can I also go thorugh my archived hate mail from my pirate days and petition all the onese with death threats, threats of RL violence towards myself and my family? I kept all teh hatemail, so I can easily get it petitioned.
Start this landslide and see where it ends, because I am quite happy to send a few dozen petitions to get some bans going. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:42:00 -
[1311] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote: You're an alt. Your opinion does not matter. This is not news.
Yes, because dealing with a random person on the internet is so hard to do
Actually this is one of my mains. Being in NPC corp does not make me an alt silly goon fan :) |
Shogun Archer
48
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:42:00 -
[1312] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote: You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted.
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CCP, can you ban this person please for making threats. Is that ok? Can I also go thorugh my archived hate mail from my pirate days and petition all the onese with death threats, threats of RL violence towards myself and my family? I kept all teh hatemail, so I can easily get it petitioned. Start this landslide and see where it ends, because I am quite happy to send a few dozen petitions to get some bans going.
beat me to it. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Selene Theron
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:43:00 -
[1313] - Quote
After reading your countless replies regarding this subject i can't take this OP serious.
Im very pissed off about,
A: The immoral comments you made. When you made that presentation i bet you where not that intoxicated, but you decided to include it anyways. Maybe you chose other words at the time but I think it was your goal to do it anyways. Ofc i dont know this for sure, but seeing the way you act in im not surprized if it where the case.
But most importantly,
B: Bringing very bad press to the game that I love and would like to succeed for many more years. CCP wants to bring more peeps into this amazing game, then i surely hope they will NEVER watch that video on Youtube.
I dont care if you want to come across as a major douchebag and a very immoral person that i despise. That is your choice, but when you are part of the CSM and get on to EVE TV saying that stuff for the world to see i do have major problems with it.
I hope CCP does the right thing.
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Vorlain
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:43:00 -
[1314] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:If he resigns he throws away the votes of over 10,000 subscribers who chose him to represent them to CCP.
That's nice and all but how about the votes of over 50,000 subscribers that didn't want him to represent them, and even more so after this. I for once certainly don't want to be tarnished by being seen to be stained by the same brush.
When CCP Zulu made a hash of Incarna he did the right thing and stepped aside to clear the air, and now theMittani needs to man up and do the same thing.
Fact is when he stood up to be on the CSM and more so the chair he took on the responibility of representing the Eve playerbase in everything he does and says at public events like fanfest, all the media stories are quick to point out it was said by a member of the CSM and the chair.
That reflects on all of us and on CCP, it bring the brand and us all into disrepute. If he has any respect for the playerbase, CCP and the CSM he will step aside as chair at the very least. |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:43:00 -
[1315] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote: You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted.
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CCP, can you ban this person please for making threats. Is that ok? Can I also go thorugh my archived hate mail from my pirate days and petition all the onese with death threats, threats of RL violence towards myself and my family? I kept all teh hatemail, so I can easily get it petitioned. Start this landslide and see where it ends, because I am quite happy to send a few dozen petitions to get some bans going.
As this is not a threat, this is not ban able. I said he deserve it. I never said I will do so, or should anyone else do so.
But you can petition. Don't forget that falsly petition another player is a banable offence |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:43:00 -
[1316] - Quote
wait so cyber-bullying applies to grown-assed man above age of 18? come the christ on wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
455
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:44:00 -
[1317] - Quote
IMO he should be put on probation.
oh, wait...
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
181
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:45:00 -
[1318] - Quote
I think at the end of the day we can all agree that this drama got Jade Constawhore to take 5mins away from blowing some figment of his imagination in the back of a station rest room to tell us about his space relevance.
I mean if that's not worth it I don't know what is. |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:45:00 -
[1319] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote: You're an alt. Your opinion does not matter. This is not news.
Yes, because dealing with a random person on the internet is so hard to do Actually this is one of my mains. Being in NPC corp does not make me an alt silly goon fan :)
wow so main that you post so often with this pilot? oh wait 7 likes, does that mean you have 8 accounts? who is your main, and what does he do? |
Briana Jameson
Wife Aggro Productions
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:45:00 -
[1320] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted. Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life.
CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine.
Or it could be him playing to the crowd for laughs (because he was giving a presentation and trying to be funny), focusing on the moment without long-term or outside concern, and going too far. Ever thing of that, Mr Internet Psychologist?
The whole "drunk u is real u, y'know man" is a load of horseshit.
It was an unfunny presentation, dude apologized, and tossed over a huge hunk of isk to a guy who likely bots a crapton of mackinaws in a pvp game to escape his crapsack life.
There comes a point where moral outrage over a videogame starts imploding on its own inflated self-importance; this thing passed that point a good 50 pages ago. |
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1043
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:46:00 -
[1321] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted. Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life.
CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine.
As the person who sat with him at the fish restaurant a day before his presentation going over his notes I can field this one a little bit. I mean either take what I'm saying at face value or not, it doesn't matter much, but I'm not really known for making stuff up so here you go.
It wasn't somebody trying to be edgy or even king of space'y, or was somebody trying to be funny and not realizing that what is funny to some could be really insulting to others. The whole alliance presentation was a disaster before it even began because it consisted of unfunny chatlogs being read aloud which wasn't terribly helpful, but you should have seen the thread he posted looking for ideas on our forum which wasn't a whole lot of help either. So he collected what we found funny as a subgroup of eve, tears in chatlogs, and read them to show what kinds of letters he gets in response to our in game activities by people who take the game way too seriously.
The guy who got super mad that we blew up his spaceship did in fact send him a letter full of drama saying he was going to do this or that and frankly Mittens should have forwarded it to CCP and authorities so the guy could have had his account banned and received the proper help if he really needed it. It was a poor choice of logs to read aloud during this event for many reasons, but for many of us the biggest reason is reading chatlogs isn't funny. It's not entertaining. Who the hell wants to hear some dude read a bunch of logs?
I think he should be banned from giving Alliance presentations for those reasons but he's done a fantastic job as a CSM and that should be the end of it. |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
134
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:47:00 -
[1322] - Quote
10,000 subscriptions*
Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:48:00 -
[1323] - Quote
I don't even consider this cyber bullying, because Mittens only said it in a drunken stupor at a fanfest.
The guy is over 18 anyway, and didn't even care about it in the first place so people really need to get off their soap boxes, they have zero stance in any sort of argument about this. It's not about you, it's not cyber bullying; whoever said that in the first place is a complete idiot who doesn't even know what the term cyber bullying even means.
Come the hell on, the mere fact that pubbies are even having heart attacks about this makes me lose IQ, the little I already had. STFU and move the hell on. |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:48:00 -
[1324] - Quote
Gossamer DT wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote: You're an alt. Your opinion does not matter. This is not news.
Yes, because dealing with a random person on the internet is so hard to do Actually this is one of my mains. Being in NPC corp does not make me an alt silly goon fan :) wow so main that you post so often with this pilot? oh wait 7 likes, does that mean you have 8 accounts?
Yeah.. likes... because likes is what makes your character so amazing that it gives you skills and isk... what an idiot |
Lord Grantham
Downton Endeavours
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:49:00 -
[1325] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers.
I don't think you can vote if you are not currently subscribed. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:49:00 -
[1326] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote: You're an alt. Your opinion does not matter. This is not news.
Yes, because dealing with a random person on the internet is so hard to do Actually this is one of my mains. Being in NPC corp does not make me an alt silly goon fan :)
In that care I rephrase: You are a pubbie. Your opinion does not matter. This is not news. |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
269
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:49:00 -
[1327] - Quote
Atedar Kerane wrote:The Mittani wrote: I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
You should probably read the Tearms of Service again, that is, assuming you even read them once Quote:You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy. Your apology is appriciated, but trying to justify your poor behavior with roleplaying is not.
Very good point. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1043
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:50:00 -
[1328] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers.
Is there a difference? |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
455
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:50:00 -
[1329] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers.
1 vote per account = 10000 subscriptions.
could be 4000 people however.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 07:51:00 -
[1330] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Bullshit. I've said some really dumb things while drunk and had to fess up for them. I'd be willing to bet lots of money that you think bad things about people and don't say them out loud for fear of hurting the person's feelings or other repercussions. Drinking removes that filter
It doesn't make you a terrible person. Everyone thinks these things, not everyone is in front of a crowd of thousands when they're drunk and they say dumb ****.
Mokanor Lenak wrote:Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted. Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life.
You just contradicted yourself and then suggested basically killing the guy IRL. Bravo!
Quote:CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine.
I'm going to guess there was very little communication here with CCP during his flight home.
Look, I've hung out with the guy in real life, I'm indirectly responsible for HIS PUPPY (I have the same breed of PUPPY!) and I'm 100% certain this apology is real and from the heart. I hate to break down his internet persona but Mittens is a genuinely nice guy and he just let the internet persona go to his head. I've done this, I bet half of you reading this have done it too.
I really, REALLY hate to quote any work of fiction here, but ... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
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Bella Rugente
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:51:00 -
[1331] - Quote
Tyrone Cashmoney wrote:The Mittani wrote:the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, You know what to do. I could recruit him for a 500m security deposit. |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:52:00 -
[1332] - Quote
He apologized to both the player involved and to the community.
It's over.
All the pubbies are doing is further harassing The Wis and badgering him for interviews and likely giving him even more attention than he would have ever gotten from anyone seriously looking to go kill his mach's, all so they can say that they have beaten Mittens. |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:52:00 -
[1333] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS.
BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO. |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:53:00 -
[1334] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:Algia Knightstorm wrote: You're an alt. Your opinion does not matter. This is not news.
Yes, because dealing with a random person on the internet is so hard to do Actually this is one of my mains. Being in NPC corp does not make me an alt silly goon fan :) wow so main that you post so often with this pilot? oh wait 7 likes, does that mean you have 8 accounts? Yeah.. likes... because likes is what makes your character so amazing that it gives you skills and isk... what an idiot
well I was shooting for the you post so much on this main of yours that it's clearly a main, not really in game anything, but you point is almost valid. who is your main, and what does he do? |
Spectre80
The Knights Templar GIANTSBANE.
58
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:53:00 -
[1335] - Quote
actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:54:00 -
[1336] - Quote
DaiTengu wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Bullshit. I've said some really dumb things while drunk and had to fess up for them. I'd be willing to bet lots of money that you think bad things about people and don't say them out loud for fear of hurting the person's feelings or other repercussions. Drinking removes that filter It doesn't make you a terrible person. Everyone thinks these things, not everyone is in front of a crowd of thousands when they're drunk and they say dumb ****. Mokanor Lenak wrote:Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted. Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life. You just contradicted yourself and then suggested basically killing the guy IRL. Bravo! Quote:CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine. I'm going to guess there was very little communication here with CCP during his flight home. Look, I've hung out with the guy in real life, I'm indirectly responsible for HIS PUPPY (I have the same breed of PUPPY!) and I'm 100% certain this apology is real and from the heart. I hate to break down his internet persona but Mittens is a genuinely nice guy and he just let the internet persona go to his head. I've done this, I bet half of you reading this have done it too. I really, REALLY hate to quote any work of fiction here, but ... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Well said bro...
We all guilty of being insensitive assholes when drunk. We have all said **** that we wished we could take back. The difference is not all of us have the balls to apologize and try to make amends.
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Shogun Archer
49
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:55:00 -
[1337] - Quote
Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.
Actually, genius, what he DID was use words. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3565
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:55:00 -
[1338] - Quote
Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.
neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf
also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears
shame that he didn't name you "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1043
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:55:00 -
[1339] - Quote
Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter.
So what you're saying is he doesn't have your vote next time? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:56:00 -
[1340] - Quote
Words are meaningless! Except those words you used that caused all of this bull, those words weren't. These ones are though! |
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BrokenBC
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:56:00 -
[1341] - Quote
Break out the pitch torks and forchs there's gonna be a lynchin.Holy christ you people need to get a life. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
462
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:56:00 -
[1342] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers. Is there a difference? Continuum fallacy
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
406
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:57:00 -
[1343] - Quote
Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.
Wait what? So his words wernt facts, but what he said was words, therefore also not facts, his apology was words, not facts so his original words were in fact not fact? So none of this actually happened? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:57:00 -
[1344] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here. You do realize he's just resigning the chair right? And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members? Interesting how now it's just "resigning the chair", and not his CSM position. I guess since he wasn't explicit earlier this isn't technically revisionism, but I think to pretty much everyone it was implied that he was going to be resigning his CSM position. We've been lawyer'd, it seems. Interesting.
No, like so much of what you and you ilk have been braying for this whole thread long (over what is essentially a non-issue blown out of proportion by gaming bloggers, certainly not a new concept if you are at all familiar with the way that gaming blogs work) you have created a vision of what YOU want to happen and then get disappointed when your vision doesn't come about. Yes, you still get to deal with the legally elected CSM Mittani and all of those terrible things that are going to make the game better for the rest of us that he is pushing. Face it, you and the rest of your hillariously misguided false rage club are upset that a second attempt at getting Mittens off the CSM roster is falling through. The election didn't work out for you, and here overblowing a non-event overblown already in some rather poor quality blogs (never was a fan of Massively or their like in the first place and their spotty coverage of this issue doesn't help improve their image with me either) in a ploy to push for resignation isn't going to work either. What's the next plan? Chase him with a team of photographers to catch him playing other games than EVE? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
147
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:58:00 -
[1345] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO. Wait what? So his words wernt facts, but what he said was words, therefore also not facts, his apology was words, not facts so his original words were in fact not fact? So none of this actually happened?
We aren't even here right now oh god what is going on |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:58:00 -
[1346] - Quote
Andski wrote:(snip) just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf (snip) Interesting how the only mention of Titan nerfs in any of these MittaniGate threads are in accusations such as this. |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:58:00 -
[1347] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:As the person who sat with him at the fish restaurant a day before his presentation going over his notes I can field this one a little bit. I mean either take what I'm saying at face value or not, it doesn't matter much, but I'm not really known for making stuff up so here you go.
It wasn't somebody trying to be edgy or even king of space'y, or was somebody trying to be funny and not realizing that what is funny to some could be really insulting to others. The whole alliance presentation was a disaster before it even began because it consisted of unfunny chatlogs being read aloud which wasn't terribly helpful, but you should have seen the thread he posted looking for ideas on our forum which wasn't a whole lot of help either. So he collected what we found funny as a subgroup of eve, tears in chatlogs, and read them to show what kinds of letters he gets in response to our in game activities by people who take the game way too seriously.
The guy who got super mad that we blew up his spaceship did in fact send him a letter full of drama saying he was going to do this or that and frankly Mittens should have forwarded it to CCP and authorities so the guy could have had his account banned and received the proper help if he really needed it. It was a poor choice of logs to read aloud during this event for many reasons, but for many of us the biggest reason is reading chatlogs isn't funny. It's not entertaining. Who the hell wants to hear some dude read a bunch of logs?
I think he should be banned from giving Alliance presentations for those reasons but he's done a fantastic job as a CSM and that should be the end of it.
Its great that he does a good job in CSM and has a good reputation among friends. But its enough to do one small (or big) bad thing to kill all that reputation and smear his name forever.
For the rest of it, poor choice of letters or chat logs, he should have been more careful, and saying that just for getting some laughts,that is just as sad. As a CSM chairman and someone who consider himself as a leader and decision maker in the game, he should have known better. Drunk and joking are bad excuses for that. |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:59:00 -
[1348] - Quote
Lord Grantham wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers. I don't think you can vote if you are not currently subscribed. I don't think you understand my point.
Individuals can cast more than one vote, you know. Seeing as they can hold more than one account. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
462
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:59:00 -
[1349] - Quote
Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet).
There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:00:00 -
[1350] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Words are meaningless! Except those words you used that caused all of this bull, those words weren't. These ones are though! Andski wrote:neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf
The smoske parallels makes them remember the good ol' days when they were relevant.
Yes, but these words fuel our agenda.. those words don't fit into the agenda so they are meaningless. |
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Shogun Archer
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:00:00 -
[1351] - Quote
Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.
Seriously man, changing it up a little bit doesn't make it any better. I'd quit trying.
Edit: Oh... NM. I'm confused. Feel like I just got hit with a stupid stick. My bad. If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:00:00 -
[1352] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Words are meaningless! Except those words you used that caused all of this bull, those words weren't. These ones are though!
Not empty quoting.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:01:00 -
[1353] - Quote
In his hour of need, what would really help mittens would be if his idiot goon supporters laid off the spiteful posts.
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Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:01:00 -
[1354] - Quote
Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO. neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears shame that he didn't name you
Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG !
Get mittens out of here on the back door. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:02:00 -
[1355] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:Vile rat wrote:As the person who sat with him at the fish restaurant a day before his presentation going over his notes I can field this one a little bit. I mean either take what I'm saying at face value or not, it doesn't matter much, but I'm not really known for making stuff up so here you go.
It wasn't somebody trying to be edgy or even king of space'y, or was somebody trying to be funny and not realizing that what is funny to some could be really insulting to others. The whole alliance presentation was a disaster before it even began because it consisted of unfunny chatlogs being read aloud which wasn't terribly helpful, but you should have seen the thread he posted looking for ideas on our forum which wasn't a whole lot of help either. So he collected what we found funny as a subgroup of eve, tears in chatlogs, and read them to show what kinds of letters he gets in response to our in game activities by people who take the game way too seriously.
The guy who got super mad that we blew up his spaceship did in fact send him a letter full of drama saying he was going to do this or that and frankly Mittens should have forwarded it to CCP and authorities so the guy could have had his account banned and received the proper help if he really needed it. It was a poor choice of logs to read aloud during this event for many reasons, but for many of us the biggest reason is reading chatlogs isn't funny. It's not entertaining. Who the hell wants to hear some dude read a bunch of logs?
I think he should be banned from giving Alliance presentations for those reasons but he's done a fantastic job as a CSM and that should be the end of it. Its great that he does a good job in CSM and has a good reputation among friends. But its enough to do one small (or big) bad thing to kill all that reputation and smear his name forever. For the rest of it, poor choice of letters or chat logs, he should have been more careful, and saying that just for getting some laughts,that is just as sad. As a CSM chairman and someone who consider himself as a leader and decision maker in the game, he should have known better. Drunk and joking are bad excuses for that.
Great, so we've reached the point that everyone else seems to be missing. Mittens is guilty of trying to make a funny off-hand comment and failing to be funny. Clearly unfunny people are not to be allowed onto our super serious space government panel. |
Shogun Archer
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:03:00 -
[1356] - Quote
Acwron wrote:Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO. neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears shame that he didn't name you Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG ! Get mittens out of here on the back door.
oooooohhhh. So it's not about the poor guy who's dpressed??? It's about THE PLEX !!!!
If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror. |
Jastra
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:03:00 -
[1357] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: good apology
Props dude |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:03:00 -
[1358] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:In his hour of need, what would really help mittens would be if his idiot goon supporters laid off the spiteful posts.
What spiteful posts? |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
129
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 08:03:00 -
[1359] - Quote
Acwron wrote:Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO. neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears shame that he didn't name you Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG ! Get mittens out of here on the back door.
Better in than out I always say.
Also, if I were getting free plex, I'd never have to log in again~ |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:03:00 -
[1360] - Quote
Acwron wrote:Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO. neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears shame that he didn't name you Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG ! Get mittens out of here on the back door.
IF you think this, seriously think this is going on, you are a complete moron. |
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Selene Theron
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:04:00 -
[1361] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet). There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone. If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:04:00 -
[1362] - Quote
The Mittani
Account hacked c/d |
Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:04:00 -
[1363] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Andski wrote:(snip) just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf (snip) Interesting how the only mention of Titan nerfs in any of these MittaniGate threads are in accusations such as this.
well it's the only way we can defend such actions. I mean really..or it could be tinfoil hat time, or possible, wait for it, the trurth behind such delayed reactions to the Alliance panel 3 days ago.
hey are you a spy? I am just wondering, becase you seem to be hiding your real main and I can't figure out why.
shameless snip edit... who is your main, and what does he do? |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
465
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:05:00 -
[1364] - Quote
Acwron wrote:Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO. neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears shame that he didn't name you Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG ! Get mittens out of here on the back door.
I get no plex for my posting.
I am a bad poster.
I would however, vote for mittens again if only to get more tears like this to quote.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:06:00 -
[1365] - Quote
Selene Theron wrote:Zagdul wrote:Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet). There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone. If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo.
I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials. |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:06:00 -
[1366] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers. Is there a difference? Well it strikes me that painting his election as 10,000 individual players voting for your beloved leader is a bit off the mark. Having votes tied to individual accounts creates opportunities to game the system. I'm just wondering what the largest power bloc in the game would do if you could buy votes for 450 million ISK... Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:07:00 -
[1367] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Amity Lane wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here. You do realize he's just resigning the chair right? And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members? Interesting how now it's just "resigning the chair", and not his CSM position. I guess since he wasn't explicit earlier this isn't technically revisionism, but I think to pretty much everyone it was implied that he was going to be resigning his CSM position. We've been lawyer'd, it seems. Interesting. No, like so much of what you and you ilk have been braying for this whole thread long (over what is essentially a non-issue blown out of proportion by gaming bloggers, certainly not a new concept if you are at all familiar with the way that gaming blogs work) you have created a vision of what YOU want to happen and then get disappointed when your vision doesn't come about. Yes, you still get to deal with the legally elected CSM Mittani and all of those terrible things that are going to make the game better for the rest of us that he is pushing. Face it, you and the rest of your hillariously misguided false rage club are upset that a second attempt at getting Mittens off the CSM roster is falling through. The election didn't work out for you, and here overblowing a non-event overblown already in some rather poor quality blogs (never was a fan of Massively or their like in the first place and their spotty coverage of this issue doesn't help improve their image with me either) in a ploy to push for resignation isn't going to work either. What's the next plan? Chase him with a team of photographers to catch him playing other games than EVE?
Sorry, I'd missed this one in the forum scroll. Anyway...
TL;DR.
But seriously, it wasn't just me. Even some of your own people thought he was going to be stepping down from his CSM position...to the point where his old lady had to explain otherwise:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=279#post401946037
But it seems there's no arguing with any of you. I may be many things, but surprised is not one of them.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
320
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:07:00 -
[1368] - Quote
Like I said roughly the same time last year:
"Give him enough rope...."
And sure enough, someone did. In irae, veritas. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1050
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:08:00 -
[1369] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:Vile rat wrote:As the person who sat with him at the fish restaurant a day before his presentation going over his notes I can field this one a little bit. I mean either take what I'm saying at face value or not, it doesn't matter much, but I'm not really known for making stuff up so here you go.
It wasn't somebody trying to be edgy or even king of space'y, or was somebody trying to be funny and not realizing that what is funny to some could be really insulting to others. The whole alliance presentation was a disaster before it even began because it consisted of unfunny chatlogs being read aloud which wasn't terribly helpful, but you should have seen the thread he posted looking for ideas on our forum which wasn't a whole lot of help either. So he collected what we found funny as a subgroup of eve, tears in chatlogs, and read them to show what kinds of letters he gets in response to our in game activities by people who take the game way too seriously.
The guy who got super mad that we blew up his spaceship did in fact send him a letter full of drama saying he was going to do this or that and frankly Mittens should have forwarded it to CCP and authorities so the guy could have had his account banned and received the proper help if he really needed it. It was a poor choice of logs to read aloud during this event for many reasons, but for many of us the biggest reason is reading chatlogs isn't funny. It's not entertaining. Who the hell wants to hear some dude read a bunch of logs?
I think he should be banned from giving Alliance presentations for those reasons but he's done a fantastic job as a CSM and that should be the end of it. Its great that he does a good job in CSM and has a good reputation among friends. But its enough to do one small (or big) bad thing to kill all that reputation and smear his name forever. For the rest of it, poor choice of letters or chat logs, he should have been more careful, and saying that just for getting some laughts,that is just as sad. As a CSM chairman and someone who consider himself as a leader and decision maker in the game, he should have known better. Drunk and joking are bad excuses for that.
Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!
So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.
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Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:08:00 -
[1370] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:In his hour of need, what would really help mittens would be if his idiot goon supporters laid off the spiteful posts.
What hour of need? This is not some bullshit crisis. Mittens didn't **** or murder anyone. No one's lost any life, limb or eyesight, no one's lost any money. A few pubbies got butthurt over something that The Mittani said. They took the words of someone they didn't like and used it to fuel a fire that had no right being stoked in the first place. Mittens apologized for a casual offhand remark, the remark's recipient had no knowledge and give no ***** about it. No harm, no foul, move along, go back to bitching about the Titan nerf and how non consensual PvP doesn't belong in high sec.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0 |
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Denarus Arran
Dark Vanguard Moon Warriors
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:09:00 -
[1371] - Quote
Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.
Pretty high and mighty coming from someone who scammed themselves into their position. |
JeanMichel Bizarre
Natural Progression
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:09:00 -
[1372] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Respect for the apology, you seem sincere there Alex. But I think for the good of the CSM project going forwards and for CCP's reputation in the wider gaming press you should resign as Chair at the minimum and allow another CSM member to take responsibility for leading the player council this year.
The CSM needs a leader with the respect of the player base at this point. You no longer have it.
Eve is coming to a far better state it was in the previous year and the future looks very optimistic. The last thing any of us need is to be reading about cyber-bullying and out of character abuse at fanfest when everyone involved with eve on the player or CCP side just needs to put the bad times behind us and get on with promoting and playing this game.
You worked in the interests of the player base last year Alex alongside the Jita and unsub protests to help CCP turn the ship around and sail out from under the spectre of microtransaction-crazy disaster. Let that be your legacy.
Now its time to resign as chair and let somebody else take a turn.
Couldn't have said it better myself. omniscient omnipotent omnipresent without judgement |
DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:09:00 -
[1373] - Quote
Acwron wrote:
Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG !
Get mittens out of here on the back door.
He can't give away free plex, he gave all his isk to The Wis
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HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:09:00 -
[1374] - Quote
Acwron wrote:Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO. neither you nor the raiden/ncdot badposters in this thread care about the dude in question, the incident or anything, it's just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf also you should have watched the fanfest presentation he showed everyone your tears shame that he didn't name you Actually people care but you're blinded by the plex mittani is giving you every month for writing so many posts. I do understand you in a way... BUT IS WRONG ! Get mittens out of here on the back door.
Insinuating that he gives every goon that posts a plex.. silly pubbie.... |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1050
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:09:00 -
[1375] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Vile rat wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:10,000 subscriptions* Probably closer to 4,000 or less subscribers. Is there a difference? Well it strikes me that painting his election as 10,000 individual players voting for your beloved leader is a bit off the mark. Having votes tied to individual accounts creates opportunities to game the system. I'm just wondering what the largest power bloc in the game would do if you could buy votes for 450 million ISK...
Well it's not like he got on the CSM by telling people he'd buy them plex or scamming them for votes or anything. That was the other guy :) |
Selene Theron
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:10:00 -
[1376] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Selene Theron wrote:Zagdul wrote:Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet). There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone. If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo. I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials.
Excuse me? Please point out to me where i said anything about me being an expert on that sort of stuff? I just said, he did the damage, now let him be a man and correct his mistakes. Thats all im saying.
I didnt say there was only one option. I say there is only one in my opinion brainiac. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:11:00 -
[1377] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote: But it seems there's no arguing with any of you. I may be many things, but surprised is not one of them.
If you can't even be bothered to read the posts you're replying to it would seem you would qualify as being too disinterested to have a valid opinion on the matters contained in them. Please see your way out and take your content-less opinions with you. |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:11:00 -
[1378] - Quote
I too would vote for him again if there was another election.
Only because he still represents my interests as a player of eve-online.
The fact that he got drunk and made an inappropriate comment does not change this. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:11:00 -
[1379] - Quote
Gossamer DT wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Andski wrote:(snip) just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf (snip) Interesting how the only mention of Titan nerfs in any of these MittaniGate threads are in accusations such as this. well it's the only way we can defend such actions. I mean really..or it could be tinfoil hat time, or possible, wait for it, the trurth behind such delayed reactions to the Alliance panel 3 days ago. Occam's Razor would suggest otherwise. Is all this outcry a massive conspiracy of revenge against a game nerf, or is it actually because of the outrageous event they say it is?
The simplest answer tends to be the correct one.
Quote:hey are you a spy? I am just wondering, becase you seem to be hiding your real main and I can't figure out why. This is my main. I keep telling people this, but they refuse to believe that a new player could be this informed about the game...as if reading, listening to some E-UNI lectures, and watching the FanFest stream is hard. I'm done trying to convince people otherwise.
Besides, I lack the lying skill necessary to be a convincing spy and I don't really have the desire to be that kind of a player. I'm more of a "carebear", I think you guys call it. |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:12:00 -
[1380] - Quote
DaiTengu wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Bullshit. I've said some really dumb things while drunk and had to fess up for them. I'd be willing to bet lots of money that you think bad things about people and don't say them out loud for fear of hurting the person's feelings or other repercussions. Drinking removes that filter It doesn't make you a terrible person. Everyone thinks these things, not everyone is in front of a crowd of thousands when they're drunk and they say dumb ****. Mokanor Lenak wrote:Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted. Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life. You just contradicted yourself and then suggested basically killing the guy IRL. Bravo! Quote:CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine. I'm going to guess there was very little communication here with CCP during his flight home. Look, I've hung out with the guy in real life, I'm indirectly responsible for HIS PUPPY (I have the same breed of PUPPY!) and I'm 100% certain this apology is real and from the heart. I hate to break down his internet persona but Mittens is a genuinely nice guy and he just let the internet persona go to his head. I've done this, I bet half of you reading this have done it too. I really, REALLY hate to quote any work of fiction here, but ... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
Being drunk does not make you a bad person, but how you act does. Being the "villain" in-game is a reflection of your own personality which you hide in real life with friends but in fantasy you wish to be. If you enjoy being the villain in a fantasy game, there is a reason for that in your own true self. Personally I'm playing a decent person in-game, in the same way I'm trying to be out-game.
Also mr. mittens didn't say that in-game, which is why your whole argument falls apart. He said it on stage, in front of people and youtube, clearly stating "go make this guy kill himself". Not in-game, not under "the mittens" persona. Him, himself, in real life.
And also: Deserve something and actually telling people to maker person X to kill himself, are two different things. And its not like he said "kill bad people because they are bad people". He actually said to abuse someone enough to push him over the edge. See the difference? |
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:13:00 -
[1381] - Quote
Selene Theron wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Selene Theron wrote:Zagdul wrote:Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet). There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone. If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo. I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials. Excuse me? Please point out to me where i said anything about me being an expert on that sort of stuff? I just said, he did the damage, now let him be a man and correct his mistakes. Thats all im saying. I didnt say there was only one. I say there is only one in my opinion brainiac.
No, you said that there was only one logical option. Insinuating that you are an expert and that the only logical option is the option you feel is best. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
130
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:13:00 -
[1382] - Quote
Selene Theron wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Selene Theron wrote:Zagdul wrote:Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet). There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone. If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo. I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials. Excuse me? Please point out to me where i said anything about me being an expert on that sort of stuff? I just said, he did the damage, now let him be a man and correct his mistakes. Thats all im saying. I didnt say there was only one. I say there is only one in my opinion brainiac. Sweet, you "see" only one solution. This would imply that 1) since you only see one option that, for you, only one working solution exists. and 2) that you have some sort of perspective to make that opinion matter to the point that your solution would resolve the "PR Crisis."
So, yes, you would appear to be claiming a level of expertise on the matter. If not then your "opinions" are without weight. Weighing in on topics based on your own ignorance is just stupid speculation and based solely on your own biases. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1052
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:14:00 -
[1383] - Quote
Selene Theron wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Selene Theron wrote:Zagdul wrote:Spectre80 wrote:actions speak louder than words. anybody can write apology letter. I agree, that's why he gave the dude over 10b isk (all the isk in his - the mittani's wallet). There's not much more he can do to show that he is genuinely apologetic for offending anyone. If he did that thats commendable. Now let him repair the bad press damage. There is only one logical option imo. I don't think you know half as much about PR as you think you do. Please dazzle us with your credentials. Excuse me? Please point out to me where i said anything about me being an expert on that sort of stuff? I just said, he did the damage, now let him be a man and correct his mistakes. Thats all im saying. I didnt say there was only one. I say there is only one in my opinion brainiac.
Yep I saw only one option too. I wouldn't have sent the dude 10 b isk though, that was just dumb. He did apologize though so I'm satisfied. I suppose there will be those out there who aren't satisfied for a variety of reasons. Some just don't like him, they won't be satisfied until they've milked this of every bit of political go juice they can.
Some are really just mad as hell that in a game where people scam and ruin each others gameplay as an advertised matter of the sandbox, somebody can just send an overly emotional letter like that threatening out of game repercussions (suicide) over in game actions and do this with impunity. I think CCP really needs to consider BANNING THE PERSON WHO SENT HIM THIS LETTER IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:15:00 -
[1384] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote: Sorry, I'd missed this one in the forum scroll. Anyway...
TL;DR.
But seriously, it wasn't just me. Even some of your own people thought he was going to be stepping down from his CSM position...to the point where his old lady had to explain otherwise:
snip
But it seems there's no arguing with any of you. I may be many things, but surprised is not one of them.
please don't bring attention to mittani's family for your own purposes |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:16:00 -
[1385] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Gossamer DT wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Andski wrote:(snip) just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf (snip) Interesting how the only mention of Titan nerfs in any of these MittaniGate threads are in accusations such as this. well it's the only way we can defend such actions. I mean really..or it could be tinfoil hat time, or possible, wait for it, the trurth behind such delayed reactions to the Alliance panel 3 days ago. Occam's Razor would suggest otherwise. Is all this outcry a massive conspiracy of revenge against a game nerf, or is it actually because of the outrageous event they say it is?
You do realize that Occam's Razor has such a stupidly large decision matrix so as to make it a poor basis for any sort of concrete decisionmaking right? |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:16:00 -
[1386] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:
Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.
Then why is it such an issue.... Surely all you CSM guys can have a laugh about it on skype whilst he steps down from his "imaginary position"........ |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:17:00 -
[1387] - Quote
People calling him to step down from something that had absolutely no relevance in what was said or the location of where it was said. It was said on an informal panel. If this was said while he was conducting business as CSM chair during a CSM meeting, then yeah he should be stepping down. Ya know what? This wasn't a CSM meeting.
You people calling him to step down are all people who are butt hurt that 10k people wanted him as the csm, and you can't believe that any one person could get so many votes, so you call for his head from a situation that had nothing to do with the csm. Face it, you suck at Eve politik, and can't take it, so you are heart attacking all over the place because of it.
It's actually funny how the society of pubs in this game react like this, it just shows why none of you would even be considered to be in the CFC, and shows that the CFC are way more mature about it than you all are, who you yourselves perceive to be the Virgin Mary who could do no wrong.
Face it, this boils down to petty jealously over a man who has the same ideals about the game as 10k other people do. How petty. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:17:00 -
[1388] - Quote
Algia Knightstorm wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:In his hour of need, what would really help mittens would be if his idiot goon supporters laid off the spiteful posts.
What hour of need? This is not some bullshit crisis. Mittens didn't **** or murder anyone. No one's lost any life, limb or eyesight, no one's lost any money. A few pubbies got butthurt over something that The Mittani said. They took the words of someone they didn't like and used it to fuel a fire that had no right being stoked in the first place. Mittens apologized for a casual offhand remark, the remark's recipient had no knowledge and give no ***** about it. No harm, no foul, move along, go back to bitching about the Titan nerf and how non consensual PvP doesn't belong in high sec. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Titan nerf, what do I care?
Of course non-consensual pvp should always be a part of hisec.
I have never said otherwise.
However, you do help illustrate my point about spiteful idiots posting. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:18:00 -
[1389] - Quote
Berke Negri wrote:Amity Lane wrote: Sorry, I'd missed this one in the forum scroll. Anyway...
TL;DR.
But seriously, it wasn't just me. Even some of your own people thought he was going to be stepping down from his CSM position...to the point where his old lady had to explain otherwise:
snip
But it seems there's no arguing with any of you. I may be many things, but surprised is not one of them.
please don't bring attention to mittani's family for your own purposes I brought nothing that wasn't publicly available. I was not the first on this board to link to that thread, which is how I found it in the first place.
Out of respect towards your request, The Mittani and his family, I will refrain from doing so again in the future. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
239
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:19:00 -
[1390] - Quote
Yesterday his followers were like "he did nothing wrong" with a smattering of "my ceo" and "10058" ... today they are "we love you" and "apology accepted my chairman".
Will you drink the koolaid when he starts handing it out? Looks like it. To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:20:00 -
[1391] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
However, you do help illustrate my point about spiteful idiots posting.
It would seem to me that the glassy domicile you inhabit is ill-suited for the sort of stone throwing you seem so interested in. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
635
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:22:00 -
[1392] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!
So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.
So one cancels the other out ehh?
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:22:00 -
[1393] - Quote
J3ssica Alba wrote:Yesterday his followers were like "he did nothing wrong" with a smattering of "my ceo" and "10058" ... today they are "we love you" and "apology accepted my chairman".
Will you drink the koolaid when he starts handing it out? Looks like it.
And yet here you are, drinking a totally different flavor and chasing the mob. Pot. kettle. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:22:00 -
[1394] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
However, you do help illustrate my point about spiteful idiots posting.
It would seem to me that the glassy domicile you inhabit is ill-suited for the sort of stone throwing you seem so interested in.
You sir are one classy ************. |
Selene Theron
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:23:00 -
[1395] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Sweet, you "see" only one solution. This would imply that 1) since you only see one option that, for you, only one working solution exists. and 2) that you have some sort of perspective to make that opinion matter to the point that your solution would resolve the "PR Crisis."
So, yes, you would appear to be claiming a level of expertise on the matter. If not then your "opinions" are without weight. Weighing in on topics based on your own ignorance is just stupid speculation and based solely on your own biases.
Hey its a public forum. Just giving my opinion on the matter. Im not here to tell CCP what they should do, theyre perfectly capable of dealing with this im sure.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:23:00 -
[1396] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
However, you do help illustrate my point about spiteful idiots posting.
It would seem to me that the glassy domicile you inhabit is ill-suited for the sort of stone throwing you seem so interested in.
If you wish to support mittens, stop posting.
Or, think first then post.
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Prince Kobol
344
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:23:00 -
[1397] - Quote
Some people are forgetting that this really has gone way past an internet spaceship game now and is actually effecting his real life.
Just google Alex Gianturco and you will see threads about him, with pictures, being associated with Cyber Bullying.
Something tells me that he never set out to have pictures and video of himself on the internet with the a tag line of
"CCP investigates player panel that encouraged cyber-bullying" with his picture next to it or a load of articles about him being drunk and encouraging Cyber Bullying.
This will never go away and all anybody ever has to do is pop his name into google and it will be there.
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IsTheOpOver
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:23:00 -
[1398] - Quote
Andski wrote:IsTheOpOver wrote:I guess it won't get real until Sony says "**** this ****" and pulls the plug on Dust. sony cares about PR ahahaha yummy, yummy paste
More than CCP cares about theirs.
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
635
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:24:00 -
[1399] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:People calling him to step down from something that had absolutely no relevance in what was said or the location of where it was said. It was said on an informal panel. If this was said while he was conducting business as CSM chair during a CSM meeting, then yeah he should be stepping down. Ya know what? This wasn't a CSM meeting.
You people calling him to step down are all people who are butt hurt that 10k people wanted him as the csm, and you can't believe that any one person could get so many votes, so you call for his head from a situation that had nothing to do with the csm. Face it, you suck at Eve politik, and can't take it, so you are heart attacking all over the place because of it.
It's actually funny how the society of pubs in this game react like this, it just shows why none of you would even be considered to be in the CFC, and shows that the CFC are way more mature about it than you all are, who you yourselves perceive to be the Virgin Mary who could do no wrong.
Face it, this boils down to petty jealously over a man who has the same ideals about the game as 10k other people do. How petty.
o/ mittens
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Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:24:00 -
[1400] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Vile rat wrote:Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!
So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things. So one cancels the other out ehh?
http://i.imgur.com/VEoGd.jpg |
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:25:00 -
[1401] - Quote
I do have to agree with Vile that sending someone a mail stating that you are going to kill yourself over a PVP loss should be a bannable offense.
But if they are suicidal over a mining barge. How would they react to being banned?
I think if anything positive can come from this mess it's a serious discussion on how to deal with such a matter.
I personally think that if the game is causing that kind of diress that someone is going to come out with thoughts of suicide. Then it's in the best interest of CCP to suspend the player from the online world and give them information on getting help. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:25:00 -
[1402] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Vile rat wrote:Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!
So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things. So one cancels the other out ehh?
Who's saying anything about cancelling out?
I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo. |
Zleon Leigh
104
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:26:00 -
[1403] - Quote
Altimo wrote:You know the funny thing about this whole issue was that someone else other than The Wis that posted formal complaints. Unless I missed something, he should have been the one to write letters to CCP and other blogger sites or whatever.
It wasn't him, it was someone else, I have not seen one post from this person and everyone wanting Mittani to resign is talking about this like it directly concerns them.
This isn't about the suicidal player its about the lot of you here just not wanting Mittani to have his position on the CSM period.
Had this person The Wis actually made a case, I might of taken this more seriously. Then again, ever listen to the song outsider by A perfect circle? The near the end of the song it says..
"If you choose to pull the trigger, should your drama prove sincere, Do it somewhere far away from here."
While those aren't my words its definitely how I feel about attention whores. =/
Maybe he was a little intimidated?
This still has nothing to do with him being in the CSM or even the CEO of Goons. Any player who directs pilots to harass another player is subject to TOS. Just because he happened to do it in a world wide forum magnified the level of harassment. The punishment is well known for this. The consequences just happen to be larger because he happens to be in the CSM and happens to lead a large EVE corp.
BTW this is why RL execs do their drinking after hours and off camera, preferably with handlers standing around. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:27:00 -
[1404] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Sorry mate don't believe you, If this hadn't blown up in your face so much and turned into a PR disaster for CCP and yourself, you would not have apologised. Your first reaction was "deal with it", I don't believe you don't remember or watched the video next day.
Your attitude is very much reflected by your followers which as I mentioned before has made this community a shadow of its former self.
Tal
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:27:00 -
[1405] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Or, think first then post.
I get it, you're saying that unless somebody agrees with you they must not be thinking right? So what you're really getting at is, "agree with me or don't post."
Sorry. man, one does not support a person doing the right thing (and, much more than I would have done in the same situation) by watching their crucifixion at the hands of ignorant people and people who simply dislike him for reasons entirely apart from this issue. I hate to break it to you, but you don't have the moral high ground on this one. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:27:00 -
[1406] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:People calling him to step down from something that had absolutely no relevance in what was said or the location of where it was said. It was said on an informal panel. If this was said while he was conducting business as CSM chair during a CSM meeting, then yeah he should be stepping down. Ya know what? This wasn't a CSM meeting.
You people calling him to step down are all people who are butt hurt that 10k people wanted him as the csm, and you can't believe that any one person could get so many votes, so you call for his head from a situation that had nothing to do with the csm. Face it, you suck at Eve politik, and can't take it, so you are heart attacking all over the place because of it.
It's actually funny how the society of pubs in this game react like this, it just shows why none of you would even be considered to be in the CFC, and shows that the CFC are way more mature about it than you all are, who you yourselves perceive to be the Virgin Mary who could do no wrong.
Face it, this boils down to petty jealously over a man who has the same ideals about the game as 10k other people do. How petty. o/ mittens
I am not Mittens, My name is Adam, I live in Ohio. |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:28:00 -
[1407] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Your attitude is very much reflected by your followers which as I mentioned before has made this community a shadow of its former self.
Tal
Get over yourself. |
Haulin Aussie
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:28:00 -
[1408] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:
I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo.
Oh look. :CSM: and a goonswarm member.
Wonder who you will side with |
Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
160
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:29:00 -
[1409] - Quote
Acwron wrote:The Mittani wrote:..................................................
These are words, not facts. FACT is what you did. Apologizes are WORDS. BLA, BLA, BLA....GTFO.
what he did was also "words" What is the point if every race has an Jam/Damp/Disruptor/ ship etc? Not every race has to be a fluffy little mirror of each other, it's seriously not needed. Things like Gallente having the only drone BS and Caldari having the only ECM BS are incredibly cool distinctions that only add to EVE in both game play value and flavour. |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:29:00 -
[1410] - Quote
Vile rat wrote: Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!
So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.
Its nice that he does a great job. Super.
But if it was anyone else, more anonymous, calling even jokingly in an official CCP event or forum to abuse another person up to a point that he should kill himself, telling people "go for it!" and telling people where and how and encoureging, he would have gotten a ban faster than a speeding bullet (or the moment a GM finds out).
Being "the mittens" or on CSM only makes it worse, and it does not give him postive points against what he did. Even if it was stupid and parially a joke, still being held accountable is a must. Else whole CCP EULA is just a joke at most. |
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Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:30:00 -
[1411] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:Vile rat wrote:
I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo.
Oh look. :CSM: and a goonswarm member. Wonder who you will side with
Vile Rat isn't like that. I'm sure he was offended and I certainly won't presume to know what he is thinking. Vile Rat is his own man, with his own thoughts. Stop being a moron Haulin.
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Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:31:00 -
[1412] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:Vile rat wrote:
I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo.
Oh look. :CSM: and a goonswarm member. Wonder who you will side with
Oh look, alt corp poster. Wonder what your opinion will be. |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:31:00 -
[1413] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:Vile rat wrote:
I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo.
Oh look. :CSM: and a goonswarm member. Wonder who you will side with
The irony of you calling out which group I'm with isn't lost on me. I suppose that's all that matters when it comes to posts? |
DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:31:00 -
[1414] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:DaiTengu wrote:Mokanor Lenak wrote:What people say while drunk is what they really are. No holding back, speaking your mind instantly.
Bullshit. I've said some really dumb things while drunk and had to fess up for them. I'd be willing to bet lots of money that you think bad things about people and don't say them out loud for fear of hurting the person's feelings or other repercussions. Drinking removes that filter It doesn't make you a terrible person. Everyone thinks these things, not everyone is in front of a crowd of thousands when they're drunk and they say dumb ****. Mokanor Lenak wrote:Excuses of role-playing and not remembering, only makes it more sad.
Apology does not make it alright. You deserve a few smacks on the head with a crowbar for the way you acted. Most likely the villain in-game overtook the "nice person" in real life. You just contradicted yourself and then suggested basically killing the guy IRL. Bravo! Quote:CCP should have just throw the ban hammer to make an example of what not to do, but most likely they are too scared, and so prefer the "apologize so we can get this over with" routine. I'm going to guess there was very little communication here with CCP during his flight home. Look, I've hung out with the guy in real life, I'm indirectly responsible for HIS PUPPY (I have the same breed of PUPPY!) and I'm 100% certain this apology is real and from the heart. I hate to break down his internet persona but Mittens is a genuinely nice guy and he just let the internet persona go to his head. I've done this, I bet half of you reading this have done it too. I really, REALLY hate to quote any work of fiction here, but ... "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" Being drunk does not make you a bad person, but how you act does. Being the "villain" in-game is a reflection of your own personality which you hide in real life with friends but in fantasy you wish to be. If you enjoy being the villain in a fantasy game, there is a reason for that in your own true self. Personally I'm playing a decent person in-game, in the same way I'm trying to be out-game. Also mr. mittens didn't say that in-game, which is why your whole argument falls apart. He said it on stage, in front of people and youtube, clearly stating "go make this guy kill himself". Not in-game, not under "the mittens" persona. Him, himself, in real life. And also: Deserve something and actually telling people to maker person X to kill himself, are two different things. And its not like he said "kill bad people because they are bad people". He actually said to abuse someone enough to push him over the edge. See the difference?
Are we having two different conversations here? Because I feel like you're responding to someone else.
Mittani said something REALLY dumb, out loud, in front of thousands of people. His internet persona took over his real life persona for one reason or another. It doesn't matter the reason, it happened. What's done is done. It's happened to me from time to time too, and I'd be willing to bet it's happened to you as well. At least once.
This does not make him a bad person, this does not make me a bad person and it does not make you a bad person either.
Had this happened with a small group of friends no one would have noticed. The failure here is that Mittani was both physically and egotistically drunk at the time and this is a very, VERY dangerous combination. He said A Bad Thing, and 3 days later there was an uproar about it. (Initially the uproar was about the foul language!)
As I said previously, he's a good guy IRL. He made a really bad mistake and now he's making an effort to make up for it. I'm betting you didn't even apologize the last time you called someone a name, or made fun of someone, did you?
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:32:00 -
[1415] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Your attitude is very much reflected by your followers which as I mentioned before has made this community a shadow of its former self.
Tal
Get over yourself.
See
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1055
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:33:00 -
[1416] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote: Its nice that he does a great job. Super.
But if it was anyone else, more anonymous, calling even jokingly in an official CCP event or forum to abuse another person up to a point that he should kill himself, telling people "go for it!" and telling people where and how and encoureging, he would have gotten a ban faster than a speeding bullet (or the moment a GM finds out).
Being "the mittens" or on CSM only makes it worse, and it does not give him postive points against what he did. Even if it was stupid and parially a joke, still being held accountable is a must. Else whole CCP EULA is just a joke at most.
Did he say he should kill himself or did he mock him for sending him an in game letter threatening to do out of game stuff in retaliation for Goonswarm blowing up his miners?
(it was the latter) |
Ventro69
Manson Family Corcoran State
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:33:00 -
[1417] - Quote
The only way this can be resolved is if Mittani kills himself.
Oh noes, do I have to post an apology now? What would I say? I'm not even drunk!!
Ventro69: There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
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Captain IQ
Innocent Traders Ltd
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:33:00 -
[1418] - Quote
Mitts has done more for this game than any of us, so he had a bad day and got his villian role mixed up with his RL role so what?
The 'victim' doesn't care, we don't care, lets move on and ignore the white knights trying to gain political capital and news out of this whole thing, they'll only suceed in harming EVE. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:33:00 -
[1419] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:Vile rat wrote: Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!
So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things.
Its nice that he does a great job. Super. But if it was anyone else, more anonymous, calling even jokingly in an official CCP event or forum to abuse another person up to a point that he should kill himself, telling people "go for it!" and telling people where and how and encoureging, he would have gotten a ban faster than a speeding bullet (or the moment a GM finds out). Being "the mittens" or on CSM only makes it worse, and it does not give him postive points against what he did. Even if it was stupid and parially a joke, still being held accountable is a must. Else whole CCP EULA is just a joke at most.
Yes, I'm sure he'd join the thousands of players over the years that have told people to go kill themselves. Why, I was banned 14 times just today for that same offense. Wait, how am I posting on these forums after having made such cruel comments? Clearly this mystery needs further examination. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
421
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:34:00 -
[1420] - Quote
Just woke up...
Will post shred you later
just this comment now though...
Biomass yourself
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:34:00 -
[1421] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Or, think first then post.
I get it, you're saying that unless somebody agrees with you they must not be thinking right? So what you're really getting at is, "agree with me or don't post." Sorry. man, one does not support a person doing the right thing (and, much more than I would have done in the same situation) by watching their crucifixion at the hands of ignorant people and people who simply dislike him for reasons entirely apart from this issue. I hate to break it to you, but you don't have the moral high ground on this one.
What?
I have said before that the goons are good for the game.
Sober up, think, then post. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
133
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:34:00 -
[1422] - Quote
Sincere, I don't think so.
Damage control, well if he was a lawyer he should be good at that by now.
Real regret, kind of regret that someone has for getting caught doing something they shouldn't.
As for role playing, role playing on the forums is never a good idea unless it's clear that's what you are doing.
Personally, I don't think he feels any real regret, he just playing the audience and he's doing a fair job at that. |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:34:00 -
[1423] - Quote
Ventro69 wrote:The only way this can be resolved is if Mittani kills himself. Oh noes, do I have to post an apology now? What would I say? I'm not even drunk!!
I'm afraid you're going to have to resign from the CSM. |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:35:00 -
[1424] - Quote
The arguments against those of us who still support The Mittani has resorted to.. "Oh your a goon/cfc member you are going to support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.
There are plenty of people in goonswarm and the cfc who are upset with what happened. The main difference is that we know the person behind the mistake. We know the character behind the persona that the rest of eve see's.
It's not some tin foil hat conspiracy.. We have no reason to want him off the CSM, and therefore no reason to close our minds and hearts to his sincere apology. |
Adacia Calla
The Long Kiss Goodnight
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:36:00 -
[1425] - Quote
He appologized, good, that shows he's not a complete douchebag.
Now he should resign. Test signature....forum not applying settings :( |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:37:00 -
[1426] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Or, think first then post.
I get it, you're saying that unless somebody agrees with you they must not be thinking right? So what you're really getting at is, "agree with me or don't post." Sorry. man, one does not support a person doing the right thing (and, much more than I would have done in the same situation) by watching their crucifixion at the hands of ignorant people and people who simply dislike him for reasons entirely apart from this issue. I hate to break it to you, but you don't have the moral high ground on this one. What? I have said before that the goons are good for the game. Sober up, think, then post.
"Goons" are good for the game but Mittens is not because...
Really, if you're going to keep repeating that gibberish about "think before you post" you could at least put enough thought into your posts to put some actual content in them. |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
468
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:38:00 -
[1427] - Quote
Captain IQ wrote:The 'victim' doesn't care, we don't care, lets move on and ignore the white knights trying to gain political capital and news out of this whole thing, they'll only suceed in harming EVE. But we DO care! If we take The Wis's depression and personal life, and spread it all over the internet news websites, we can remove Mittani from CSM! "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:38:00 -
[1428] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:
Did he say he should kill himself or did he mock him for sending him an in game letter threatening to do out of game stuff in retaliation for Goonswarm blowing up his miners?
(it was the latter)
It was a private message. You know, private. But what mittens said:
Quote: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wiz. Its GÇ£T-H-E SPACE W-I-SGÇ¥. He has his own corp. Find him.
(bolds no in original)
That is similar to telling people "go make this guy kill himself". In his position (as goons CEO and on CSM) can be considered as if he actually pulled the trigger himself if by any bad chance the guy would have actually kill himself. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:39:00 -
[1429] - Quote
Adacia Calla wrote:He appologized, good, that shows he's not a complete douchebag.
Now he should resign.
I'm afraid I don't see how you're connecting these two ideas. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
283
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:40:00 -
[1430] - Quote
He should not resign. That is just as stupid as the remark he threw in during Q&A. He ran for office and got 10k votes. That is an obligation to the community to stay and fight like a true space politician.
I think he and CCP learnt a lesson here - expect the next alliance panel to be sober. |
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:41:00 -
[1431] - Quote
Perhaps I missed it somewhere, but what's the reason to believe the "victim" has suicidal thoughts? Because he said so?
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Asuka Yuzaki
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:41:00 -
[1432] - Quote
Alcohol the weak man excuse
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:41:00 -
[1433] - Quote
I have never said mittens should resign.
Butthurt goon (david cedarbridge) venting his anger... |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:41:00 -
[1434] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:The arguments against those of us who still support The Mittani has resorted to.. "Oh your a goon/cfc member you are going to support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.
There are plenty of people in goonswarm and the cfc who are upset with what happened. The main difference is that we know the person behind the mistake. We know the character behind the persona that the rest of eve see's.
It's not some tin foil hat conspiracy.. We have no reason to want him off the CSM, and therefore no reason to close our minds and hearts to his sincere apology.
You must be joking, that larping f****t has sold us out and destroyed our EveO forums ehonoure! I hope he takes his own life at the earliest possible opportunity*
*comments on this forum are indicative only and should not be used as a recommendation for any real life action that could harm the target of said comments or his friends/relations/pets/garden plants |
Prince Kobol
345
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:41:00 -
[1435] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Captain IQ wrote:The 'victim' doesn't care, we don't care, lets move on and ignore the white knights trying to gain political capital and news out of this whole thing, they'll only suceed in harming EVE. But we DO care! If we take The Wis's depression and personal life, and spread it all over the internet news websites, we can remove Mittani from CSM!
The Mittani was the person who first decided it would be funny to tell everybody about Wis. |
snotface
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:41:00 -
[1436] - Quote
For all of our sakes DO NOT RESIGN!
(caps fully intended) |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
421
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:41:00 -
[1437] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:Vile rat wrote:
Did he say he should kill himself or did he mock him for sending him an in game letter threatening to do out of game stuff in retaliation for Goonswarm blowing up his miners?
(it was the latter)
It was a private message. You know, private. But what mittens said: Quote: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wiz. Its GÇ£T-H-E SPACE W-I-SGÇ¥. He has his own corp. Find him.
(bolds no in original) That is similar to telling people "go make this guy kill himself". In his position (as goons CEO and on CSM) can be considered as if he actually pulled the trigger himself if by any bad chance the guy would have actually kill himself.
Absoloutly irrelevant the whole presentation shows that he did the same thing months ago when the incident happened.
The crime was alrerady commited , encouraging it to happen again was just the icing on the cake
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:42:00 -
[1438] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:The arguments against those of us who still support The Mittani has resorted to.. "Oh your a goon/cfc member you are going to support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.
There are plenty of people in goonswarm and the cfc who are upset with what happened. The main difference is that we know the person behind the mistake. We know the character behind the persona that the rest of eve see's.
It's not some tin foil hat conspiracy.. We have no reason to want him off the CSM, and therefore no reason to close our minds and hearts to his sincere apology.
This is why I believe it's jealously and people butt hurt that Mittani has so much support behind him, the election showed that. Like you said, we are not defending what he said, we are defending who the man is.
I don't even know him on a personal level, yet I know that he's a good dude for flying in the same fleets as him during the Fountain campaign, and that was all it took for me to know he's not a vile person. I've been around some pretty vile people in my time, and heard worse things that Mittens said.
Some of you people need to go outside for awhile because you are heart attacking over an issue that really is put to bed. Words were said in a drunken stupor, words were said in apology. What's even funnier, is that the guy in question (The Wise) didn't even know what was going on, then when he found out, was like "So what?" he didn't even are for Christ sake!
This ******** protest is spurned on by morons, and brainless idiots who have no idea what is what in the world, and take Internet Spaceships far too seriously. |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:43:00 -
[1439] - Quote
That's right. He has an obligation to serve on the CSM and represent MY interests and the interests of everyone who elected him.
He owned his mistake and has went above and beyond to make amends. He does not owe any of you anything more. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
391
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:43:00 -
[1440] - Quote
I just soiled my POD goo.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
421
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:43:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Captain IQ wrote:The 'victim' doesn't care, we don't care, lets move on and ignore the white knights trying to gain political capital and news out of this whole thing, they'll only suceed in harming EVE. But we DO care! If we take The Wis's depression and personal life, and spread it all over the internet news websites, we can remove Mittani from CSM! The Mittani was the person who first decided it would be funny to tell everybody about Wis.
Which further reviels his inability to understand the concept of right and wrong .. even when someones mortal excisatnce is the stake on the table
He's a Wrongen as they say round our ways
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
468
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:44:00 -
[1442] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:That is similar to telling people "go make this guy kill himself". In his position (as goons CEO and on CSM) can be considered as if he actually pulled the trigger himself if by any bad chance the guy would have actually kill himself.
Consider if The Wis said he was going to "quit the game" over the griefing. And Mittani said "If you want to make him quit the game!"
People often overstate/exaggerate and use extreme hyperbole in their online statements.
How many times have you seen someone say "oh **** me" or "kill me now". Did they really mean it? Probably not. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:45:00 -
[1443] - Quote
Good for Mittani to make this post , i just wonder if he really means that or it is just an act. You now there is a saying drunk person will always tell you the truth.
Although goon privates are the most pathetic. Mittani did what he did goon applause how good Mittani is and he has nothing to appoligize for. Mittani understood his mistake - goon still applause how good Mittani is.
******* FAILURES.
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Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone Ironworks Coalition
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:45:00 -
[1444] - Quote
I've been drunk plenty of times. Not once have I turned around to anybody and told them that if their issues are that bad they should kill themselves.
Just sayin'. The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
422
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:45:00 -
[1445] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:That's right. He has an obligation to serve on the CSM and represent MY interests and the interests of everyone who elected him.
He owned his mistake and has went above and beyond to make amends. He does not owe any of you anything more.
Wrong he owes everyone the same legal duty we all owe in life
NOT TO ENDANGER ANOTHER LIFE FOR LULZ
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:45:00 -
[1446] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:The arguments against those of us who still support The Mittani has resorted to.. "Oh your a goon/cfc member you are going to support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.
There are plenty of people in goonswarm and the cfc who are upset with what happened. The main difference is that we know the person behind the mistake. We know the character behind the persona that the rest of eve see's.
It's not some tin foil hat conspiracy.. We have no reason to want him off the CSM, and therefore no reason to close our minds and hearts to his sincere apology.
Question then for the goon organization then on the situation, seriously please. I myself feel the appology was well written. If not for the fact that real name was given. Majority of the people in this thread did not know that. His wife in other forums has expressed displeasure about it. Those are signs that it is serious and sentimental.
The question is about punishment. Understandably he is supported, I am sure it takes alot to keep the goons together. Honestly, I have no idea how from the outside view I get you guys keep it together. Something on the internal has to be doing it. But should there be, and would you guys agree with a reasonable punishment handed out. As a supporter, what do you feel if reasonable if yes. If no punishment, why not? Would no punishment be showing favoritizm or was there no violation of the rules? |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
635
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:45:00 -
[1447] - Quote
Vile rat wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Vile rat wrote:Oh it was a poor choice. I agree wholeheartedly!
So does Mittens, thus the apology. I believe it was heartfelt and I'm pretty damn sure we won't be seeing him do this again. That aside he's done a good job as CSM and I see no reason why he can't continue in this role. Also those of you saying he should step down as chair are kinda dumbos. The role is a made up role that has no power at all. Might as well say he needs to step down as princess cloudbloom of the fairy kingdom. It hasn't actually meant anything since we stopped doing formal meetings with people voting on things. So one cancels the other out ehh? Who's saying anything about cancelling out? I don't know if you're aware but you're posting in the official "Whoops I ****** up, here's my apology" thread. Perhaps you missed the OP? Or maybe you read it and you still want to desperately flail around trying to use this as the issue that finally brings him down? Sorry kiddo.
I know exactly what thread this is. You say you were going over the slide show presentation to you and it never occurred to either of you to maybe change it? I am all for in game villainy and corruption and whatever else evil lurks around, but it's just a game. He stepped out of the game realm and encouraged actions that do not stop at the game. His goal was to have someone commit suicide in real life. You can't just "Whoops, my bad." it and walk away like it is no big deal.
Everything thing associated with The Mittani, Alex, CCP, EVE, CSM and the players in general now have the take line Suicide and Cyber Bullying on almost all Google searches of any of those words. He painted himself into a corner and pushed the envelope too far. And you gave him the stamp of approval by reviewing his alliance panel slide show and not telling him to change it.
But hey, you keep telling yourself that all of these threads, all of the news articles, all of it is because some super capital pilots are upset about a nerf coming.
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Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
470
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:47:00 -
[1448] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:The Mittani was the person who first decided it would be funny to tell everybody about Wis. No, he thought it would be funny to tell everyone in the internet videogame called Eve: Online. Then some self-serving carebears decided to take that and post it to every game news website and force CCP into making public statements and acting all political.
If -any- of these people cared about The Wis they'd have left him alone. Instead, you took an insult that he didn't even know about, and used it to make him upset to prove your point that it was a 'mean' thing to say.
Yes it was a little mean if taken literally, but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:47:00 -
[1449] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:Vile rat wrote:
Did he say he should kill himself or did he mock him for sending him an in game letter threatening to do out of game stuff in retaliation for Goonswarm blowing up his miners?
(it was the latter)
It was a private message. You know, private. But what mittens said: Quote: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is The Wiz. Its GÇ£T-H-E SPACE W-I-SGÇ¥. He has his own corp. Find him.
(bolds no in original) That is similar to telling people "go make this guy kill himself". In his position (as goons CEO and on CSM) can be considered as if he actually pulled the trigger himself if by any bad chance the guy would have actually kill himself.
And yet, none of that ever happened. You're basing all of this on worst case speculation. Naturally, you're quick to gloss over the chatlogs where the "victim" in question simply doesn't give a flying ****.
The miner sends him a tearfilled mail about how terrible his life is and how he thinks that mining is keeping him from suicide. Mittens points out how silly this is. Mittens makes an add-on comment possibly encouraging others to harass him about this silly mail he sent (similar to the other silly mails which have already been passed around and laughed at by other Goons.) The outcry brings to Mittens's attention that the comments he made may have had unintended effects (which they didn't) and also some bad press for the game he's been working to make better and issues an apology and restitution to a guy that didn't even know that he was ever even mentioned. This is apparently not enough but only to people with an axe to grind for entirely unrelated reasons. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
410
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:47:00 -
[1450] - Quote
Versuvius Marii wrote:I've been drunk plenty of times. Not once have I turned around to anybody and told them that if their issues are that bad they should kill themselves.
Just sayin'.
Ive been drunk alot of times too, ive said some very bad things to people when drunk. Ive also gotten into fights and hurt people. It isnt big, it isnt clever, but its what happens when you put mind altering chemicals into your system. Anyone who says that being drunk doesnt make you do stupid things is either A: Lying, or B: Never been drunk. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
670
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:48:00 -
[1451] - Quote
Didn't know Mittani is a roleplayer |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:49:00 -
[1452] - Quote
So this is "i cheated my wife, but i was drunk, so its ok" thread now? |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
410
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:50:00 -
[1453] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Didn't know Mittani is a roleplayer
like it or not we are all roleplaying. Or are you a real spaceship captain? If so, my apologies. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Gicer
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:50:00 -
[1454] - Quote
Takes a strong leader to face the crowd.
Well done mittens. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:50:00 -
[1455] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Versuvius Marii wrote:I've been drunk plenty of times. Not once have I turned around to anybody and told them that if their issues are that bad they should kill themselves.
Just sayin'. Ive been drunk alot of times too, ive said some very bad things to people when drunk. Ive also gotten into fights and hurt people. It isnt big, it isnt clever, but its what happens when you put mind altering chemicals into your system. Anyone who says that being drunk doesnt make you do stupid things is either A: Lying, or B: Never been drunk.
I think that goes for the people here who think this is an issue and cause for him to resign. Condemning someone for something they themselves do all the time while sober is pretty hypocritical. |
Ke'Daar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:50:00 -
[1456] - Quote
The Mittani
You are still my King of space |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:50:00 -
[1457] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I have never said mittens should resign.
Butthurt goon (david cedarbridge) venting his anger...
Projecting much? |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
422
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:51:00 -
[1458] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Didn't know Mittani is a roleplayer
He isn't every other post he has ever made says 'this is who I am IRL'
trying to dissasociate now, is too little to late
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
283
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:52:00 -
[1459] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:I His goal was to have someone commit suicide in real life.
Do you have any proof of that??
Remember, we are talking about a named person here, Alex Giantuco, and not about some game character. Maybe you like to through false accusations around without prooof just to smear peoples reputation IRL too.
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:52:00 -
[1460] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Versuvius Marii wrote:I've been drunk plenty of times. Not once have I turned around to anybody and told them that if their issues are that bad they should kill themselves.
Just sayin'. Ive been drunk alot of times too, ive said some very bad things to people when drunk. Ive also gotten into fights and hurt people. It isnt big, it isnt clever, but its what happens when you put mind altering chemicals into your system. Anyone who says that being drunk doesnt make you do stupid things is either A: Lying, or B: Never been drunk.
Wow don't ever want you in my defense. That does not make it an excuse. You hurt ppl but thats ok because you where drunk F**k me ????
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
422
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:52:00 -
[1461] - Quote
A question M
do you as an ex lawyer beleieve you could be charged with the reckless endangerment of life?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
635
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:52:00 -
[1462] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:The arguments against those of us who don't support The Mittani's recent actions has resorted to.. "Oh your a npc corp member you are going to not support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.
Funny how that can easily be flipped around. Now all of the sudden you want everyone to pull punches against him and you guys when **** gets real.
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Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
270
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:53:00 -
[1463] - Quote
Ke'Daar wrote:The Mittani
You are still my King of space Sins of a Solar Spymaster #77: ~I wis the King of Space~
Edit ~Snipe~ Black Man with Goggles |
Algia Knightstorm
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:53:00 -
[1464] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:So this is "i cheated my wife, but i was drunk, so its ok" thread now? I swear you people are ******* illiterate. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:54:00 -
[1465] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:A question M
do you as an ex lawyer beleieve you could be charged with the reckless endangerment of life?
No, he can't because the guy in question was never hurt nor even know what was said, then when he found out, he didn't even care about it. He didn't care about the entire situation. It's not even a case of cyber bullying. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
422
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:54:00 -
[1466] - Quote
Also being drunk is no excuse
Alchohol just lowers your social inhabitions
Therefore this is what he really thinks but normaly wouldn't have the guts to say
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:54:00 -
[1467] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:orphenshadow wrote:The arguments against those of us who still support The Mittani has resorted to.. "Oh your a goon/cfc member you are going to support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.
There are plenty of people in goonswarm and the cfc who are upset with what happened. The main difference is that we know the person behind the mistake. We know the character behind the persona that the rest of eve see's.
It's not some tin foil hat conspiracy.. We have no reason to want him off the CSM, and therefore no reason to close our minds and hearts to his sincere apology. Question then for the goon organization then on the situation, seriously please. I myself feel the appology was well written. If not for the fact that real name was given. Majority of the people in this thread did not know that. His wife in other forums has expressed displeasure about it. Those are signs that it is serious and sentimental. The question is about punishment. Understandably he is supported, I am sure it takes alot to keep the goons together. Honestly, I have no idea how from the outside view I get you guys keep it together. Something on the internal has to be doing it. But should there be, and would you guys agree with a reasonable punishment handed out. As a supporter, what do you feel if reasonable if yes. If no punishment, why not? Would no punishment be showing favoritizm or was there no violation of the rules?
I am not a member of Goons, So I cannot comment on how they are handling the situation internally. However, The man made a public apology, and willingly associated his real name with the situation. This will follow him around for the rest of his life. Not only that but he gave literally every isk he owned to the guy.
He is sorry for what he did and he feels shameful and regrets it. I do not think that he will do something like this again. I think that this is sufficient punishment for his action.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3574
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:54:00 -
[1468] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:A question M
do you as an ex lawyer beleieve you could be charged with the reckless endangerment of life?
Believe it or not whenever somebody tells me to "kill myself" I don't immediately reach for, well, whatever it is one would use to perform that. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Drunk 'n' Disorderly
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:54:00 -
[1469] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:A question M
do you as an ex lawyer beleieve you could be charged with the reckless endangerment of life? Thereis No way he was ever a real practising lawyer.. No way... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
422
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:55:00 -
[1470] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:A question M
do you as an ex lawyer beleieve you could be charged with the reckless endangerment of life? No, he can't because the guy in question was never hurt nor even know what was said, then when he found out, he didn't even care about it. He didn't care about the entire situation . It's not even a case of cyber bullying.
As far as I know, the charge doesn't include the fact it has happened , just that it might
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
470
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:55:00 -
[1471] - Quote
When i was in gradeschool, we were on a field trip. One of the students literally shat his pants and everyone saw it. Needless to say, there was many jokes about it.
Now, imagine if a teacher called an assembly, and dragged him up on stage and gave a huge lecture about bullying. Thats what you did to The Wis. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:55:00 -
[1472] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Also being drunk is no excuse
Alchohol just lowers your social inhabitions
Therefore this is what he really thinks but normaly wouldn't have the guts to say
When I first read the tear mail, I thought the exact same thing. It was a plea for retribution on the people that ganked him, and a plea for recompense, nothing more. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
422
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:55:00 -
[1473] - Quote
tiberiusric wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:A question M
do you as an ex lawyer beleieve you could be charged with the reckless endangerment of life? Thereis No way he was ever a real practising lawyer.. No way...
Theres no way he will be again most likely when his bar association heres of his conduct
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Sentinel Mantik
Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:56:00 -
[1474] - Quote
I can't believe what is happening here...
As a person, I count the action of appologice from The Mittani. He may made the mistake to call out the name of the scam-victim CHAR, but he was drunk. I personaly normaly won't drink alkohol, especialy when i have to make a presentation (even if it is trolling at all) but i often see people do such things while they're drunk. The char-name maybe could be changed... no one knows the real name of the player behind the char.
The facts I count:
- Mittens did a great Job as CSM 6 Chairmen - over 10.000 people voted him for CSM 7 - Mittens made a mistake while drunk by calling the name - Mittens apologiced for what he has done
I defenetly won't let one mistake be the turningpoint.
Who of you ever was so drunk that you said something that you wont have sad otherwise? Those please throw the first stone... Minmatar 4 life
German player.
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:56:00 -
[1475] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:orphenshadow wrote:The arguments against those of us who don't support The Mittani's recent actions has resorted to.. "Oh your a npc corp member you are going to not support him no matter what" is getting kind of old. Funny how that can easily be flipped around. Now all of the sudden you want everyone to pull punches against him and you guys when **** gets real.
I like how you're looking for an argument here where there is none. Its much easier than actually reading posts, I'm sure. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:57:00 -
[1476] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:tiberiusric wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:A question M
do you as an ex lawyer beleieve you could be charged with the reckless endangerment of life? Thereis No way he was ever a real practising lawyer.. No way... Theres no way he will be again most likely when his bar association heres of his conduct
Your speculation is hilarious, you literally have no idea what you are posting about. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:57:00 -
[1477] - Quote
Singeabooty Raj wrote: Edit: ~Snipe~
Its not a snipe if you edit your post to notice. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
635
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:58:00 -
[1478] - Quote
Sentinel Mantik wrote:I can't believe what is happening here...
As a person, I count the action of appologice from The Mittani. He may made the mistake to call out the name of the scam-victim CHAR, but he was drunk. I personaly normaly won't drink alkohol, especialy when i have to make a presentation (even if it is trolling at all) but i often see people do such things while they're drunk. The char-name maybe could be changed... no one knows the real name of the player behind the char.
The facts I count:
- Mittens did a great Job as CSM 6 Chairmen - over 10.000 people voted him for CSM 7 - Mittens made a mistake while drunk by calling the name - Mittens apologiced for what he has done
I defenetly won't let one mistake be the turningpoint.
Who of you ever was so drunk that you said something that you wont have sad otherwise? Those please throw the first stone...
So he was drunk when putting the slide show together with Vile Rat before fanfest?
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
93
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:58:00 -
[1479] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:When i was in gradeschool, we were on a field trip. One of the students literally shat his pants and everyone saw it. Needless to say, there was many jokes about it.
Now, imagine if a teacher called an assembly, and dragged him up on stage and gave a huge lecture about bullying. Thats what you did to The Wis. You took his personal issues, and used it for your own self-serving purposes without even considering what he would want. This is what Mittani did and encouraged other people to do as well. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
422
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:58:00 -
[1480] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:tiberiusric wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:A question M
do you as an ex lawyer beleieve you could be charged with the reckless endangerment of life? Thereis No way he was ever a real practising lawyer.. No way... Theres no way he will be again most likely when his bar association heres of his conduct Your speculation is hilarious, you literally have no idea what you are posting about.
Oh these bodies take very seriously anyone who would bring the body into public disrepute.
Perhaps I don't know the American system but I used to live with a Barrister in England and I know how strict they can be
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
283
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:00:00 -
[1481] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:So he was drunk when putting the slide show together with Vile Rat before fanfest? What was the problem with the slideshow again? Ohh, yes, and unnamed players eve mail was shown to the audience.
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:00:00 -
[1482] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:tiberiusric wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:A question M
do you as an ex lawyer beleieve you could be charged with the reckless endangerment of life? Thereis No way he was ever a real practising lawyer.. No way... Theres no way he will be again most likely when his bar association heres of his conduct
1) If your posting is any sort of benchmark for the report given to the Bar then I doubt they'll even give it time of day 2) He's not actively practicing 3) You literally have no idea how the Bar Association works. This isn't a shock since you don't have to take the exam in order to be an Internet Lawyer |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:01:00 -
[1483] - Quote
tiberiusric wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:A question M
do you as an ex lawyer beleieve you could be charged with the reckless endangerment of life? Thereis No way he was ever a real practising lawyer.. No way... you would be suprised what people do for a living outside of the world of eve... |
Sasha Khaine
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:01:00 -
[1484] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:When i was in gradeschool, we were on a field trip. One of the students literally shat his pants and everyone saw it. Needless to say, there was many jokes about it.
Now, imagine if a teacher called an assembly, and dragged him up on stage and gave a huge lecture about bullying. Thats what you did to The Wis. You took his personal issues, and used it for your own self-serving purposes without even considering what he would want.
It was you wasn't it mate :P
But seriously if you are looking at it from that perspective, imagine if a senior prefect came along and told everyone to make fun of him more up to the point where he would want to kill himself. That is what mittens did to wis.
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |
killorbekilled TBE
Dare Bears
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:01:00 -
[1485] - Quote
the way i see it is that he made a complete idiot of himself, his own mistake and he has since apologized for his mistake both to the allegedly suicidal gamer and the eve community for attracting negative press
on the upside the negative press hes attracted is still press at the end of the day
and ultimately a good thing for attracting new players to game ?
huh? |
Prince Kobol
345
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:01:00 -
[1486] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:The Mittani was the person who first decided it would be funny to tell everybody about Wis. No, he thought it would be funny to tell everyone in the internet videogame called Eve: Online. Then some self-serving carebears decided to take that and post it to every game news website and force CCP into making public statements and acting all political. If -any- of these people cared about The Wis they'd have left him alone. Instead, you took an insult that he didn't even know about, and used it to make him upset to prove your point that it was a 'mean' thing to say. Yes it was a little mean if taken literally, but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr.
There is there is the problem, he though it was funny.
At no point did he even consider the ramifications, the possible consequences. At no point did the thought entire his head
"hmm.. maybe taking the **** out of somebody who claims to be suicidal in front of thousands of people might be going a tad to far?"
Why do you think that CCP has a rule against posting kill mails, eve mails, private conversations for the sole purpose to mock and humiliate people?
Every decision in life we take has a consequence. It is up the individual to consider those consequences, in this instance he didn't which was unfortunate.
Also the remark about "but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr" is hypercritical at best.
It was The Mittani who thought it would be funny to drag the guys personal life in front of the cameras, you can not then condemn others who are defending (what ever their motives) but not also condemning the Mittani as well.
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Morphisat
Millard Innovation Inc
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:02:00 -
[1487] - Quote
Sentinel Mantik wrote:I can't believe what is happening here...
As a person, I count the action of appologice from The Mittani. He may made the mistake to call out the name of the scam-victim CHAR, but he was drunk. I personaly normaly won't drink alkohol, especialy when i have to make a presentation (even if it is trolling at all) but i often see people do such things while they're drunk. The char-name maybe could be changed... no one knows the real name of the player behind the char.
The facts I count:
- Mittens did a great Job as CSM 6 Chairmen - over 10.000 people voted him for CSM 7 - Mittens made a mistake while drunk by calling the name - Mittens apologiced for what he has done
I defenetly won't let one mistake be the turningpoint.
Who of you ever was so drunk that you said something that you wont have sad otherwise? Those please throw the first stone...
By this logic, every thing you do while drunk can be excused. What a load of crap. |
Zuju
The Praxis Initiative Gentlemen's Agreement
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:03:00 -
[1488] - Quote
Mittens i damn well voted for you, don't quit.
The drama on the other hand has been relatively entertaining, especially as the guy himself cares little. |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
471
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:04:00 -
[1489] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:When i was in gradeschool, we were on a field trip. One of the students literally shat his pants and everyone saw it. Needless to say, there was many jokes about it.
Now, imagine if a teacher called an assembly, and dragged him up on stage and gave a huge lecture about bullying. Thats what you did to The Wis. You took his personal issues, and used it for your own self-serving purposes without even considering what he would want. This is what Mittani did and encouraged other people to do as well.
No, was just in his class laughing and making fun of the situation. You can argue that it was childish, sure. But it was all of you mittani-hatersl who decided to give the lecture and turn it into cannon fodder to use against your enemies.
This might result in his entire REAL LIFE family/friends finding out about his situation and personal issues. There is also the possibility that he may have the police show up to check on his condition. If the police are unsure, they are forced to hold him for 72 hour suicide watch. What if he didn't want this? Did any of you ask The Wis what he thought before you started posting your crap to every game news site you could find? Nope. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Sasha Khaine
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:04:00 -
[1490] - Quote
killorbekilled TBE wrote:the way i see it is that he made a complete idiot of himself, his own mistake and he has since apologized for his mistake both to the allegedly suicidal gamer and the eve community for attracting negative press
on the upside the negative press hes attracted is still press at the end of the day
and ultimately a good thing for attracting new players to game ?
In the rare case that any publicity is good publicity, this isn't one of them.
Welcome to EVE"The entire British empire was founded on cups of tea... and if you think I'm going to war without one, mate. You're sadly mistaken" |
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Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:04:00 -
[1491] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:The Mittani was the person who first decided it would be funny to tell everybody about Wis. No, he thought it would be funny to tell everyone in the internet videogame called Eve: Online. Then some self-serving carebears decided to take that and post it to every game news website and force CCP into making public statements and acting all political. If -any- of these people cared about The Wis they'd have left him alone. Instead, you took an insult that he didn't even know about, and used it to make him upset to prove your point that it was a 'mean' thing to say. Yes it was a little mean if taken literally, but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr. There is the problem, he though it was funny. At no point did he even consider the ramifications, the possible consequences. At no point did the thought entire his head "hmm.. maybe taking the **** out of somebody who claims to be suicidal in front of thousands of people might be going a tad to far?" Why do you think that CCP has a rule against posting kill mails, eve mails, private conversations for the sole purpose to mock and humiliate people? Every decision in life we take has a consequence. It is up the individual to consider those consequences, in this instance he didn't which was unfortunate. Also the remark about "but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr" is hypercritical at best. It was The Mittani who thought it would be funny to drag the guys personal life in front of the cameras, you can not then condemn others who are defending (what ever their motives) but not also condemning the Mittani as well.
Really? Really dude?
He was merely posting mails he got from morons that got popped then wanted to get something out of it by sending the mail in the first place. The Wis didn't even remember sending it, or the fact that he was ganked, and didn't even care what Mitanni said, then didn't care even after reading about it and hearing about it.
The only people that care about this, are the people who took gross offense to what some dumb drunk guy said, and those of us defending the person he is, not what he said. |
Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
474
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:06:00 -
[1492] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:Markus Reese wrote:orphenshadow wrote:The arguments against those of us who still support The Mittani has resorted to.. "Oh your a goon/cfc member you are going to support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.
There are plenty of people in goonswarm and the cfc who are upset with what happened. The main difference is that we know the person behind the mistake. We know the character behind the persona that the rest of eve see's.
It's not some tin foil hat conspiracy.. We have no reason to want him off the CSM, and therefore no reason to close our minds and hearts to his sincere apology. Question then for the goon organization then on the situation, seriously please. I myself feel the appology was well written. If not for the fact that real name was given. Majority of the people in this thread did not know that. His wife in other forums has expressed displeasure about it. Those are signs that it is serious and sentimental. The question is about punishment. Understandably he is supported, I am sure it takes alot to keep the goons together. Honestly, I have no idea how from the outside view I get you guys keep it together. Something on the internal has to be doing it. But should there be, and would you guys agree with a reasonable punishment handed out. As a supporter, what do you feel if reasonable if yes. If no punishment, why not? Would no punishment be showing favoritizm or was there no violation of the rules? I am not a member of Goons, So I cannot comment on how they are handling the situation internally. However, The man made a public apology, and willingly associated his real name with the situation. This will follow him around for the rest of his life. Not only that but he gave literally every isk he owned to the guy. He is sorry for what he did and he feels shameful and regrets it. I do not think that he will do something like this again. I think that this is sufficient punishment for his action.
I don't think so. Look at how Mittani the Great singlehandedly destroyed all the years of his hard work, in a single day:
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116503-Eve-Online-Panel-Encourages-Harassing-Suicidal-Player
http://www.edge-online.com/news/ccp-launches-investigation-after-suicidal-player-mocked
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-player
If CCP shows leniency in Mittani the Great's action, it only tells the media that CCP completely supports cyber-bullying and a proponent of "player-assisted suicide." Surely, none of you want every non-EVE players to associate all of us as high school illiterate who cyber-bullies during free-time and supports bigotry remarks at anyone different than the usual crowd?
Mittani the Great should resign and save us the trouble of having CCP make the hard choice. |
Sendo Jarix
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:06:00 -
[1493] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:
Why do you think that CCP has a rule against posting kill mails, eve mails, private conversations for the sole purpose to mock and humiliate people?
You do realise CCP prescreened all the slide show presentations and gave the ok for the material to be shown right ? |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:06:00 -
[1494] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: Why do you think that CCP has a rule against posting kill mails, eve mails, private conversations for the sole purpose to mock and humiliate people?
you uh, new to eve or something? |
Sentinel Mantik
Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:06:00 -
[1495] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote: No, was just in his class laughing and making fun of the situation. You can argue that it was childish, sure. But it was all of you mittani-hatersl who decided to give the lecture and turn it into cannon fodder to use against your enemies.
This might result in his entire REAL LIFE family/friends finding out about his situation and personal issues. There is also the possibility that he may have the police show up to check on his condition. If the police are unsure, they are forced to hold him for 72 hour suicide watch. What if he didn't want this? Did any of you ask The Wis what he thought before you started posting your crap to every game news site you could find? Nope.
totaly agree Minmatar 4 life
German player.
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orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:07:00 -
[1496] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Also being drunk is no excuse
Alchohol just lowers your social inhabitions
Therefore this is what he really thinks but normaly wouldn't have the guts to say
I'm going to go out on a limb here..
I do not have sympathy for anyone who says they want to commit suicide. I think its a sign of weakness and a ploy for attention. If someone says that they are considering suicide then they by god better be serious. I think anyone who makes such a claim should be arrested and sent to a psychiatric ward. It's one of the things that pisses me off more than anything.
I have often thought that some of these people should just do it, instead of constantly talking about it and using it as a ploy for attention. But this is mostly a cynnical and sarcastic opinion and I would never dream of actually walking up to someone and telling them to do it.
My point is... I'm sure a lot of us have had similar opinions that we would never openly act on.
I do not for one second believe that he had any intention of actually trying to get someone to commit suicide. I think to him at that moment it was a dark and uncouth joke. Granted one that may or may not have had real life consequences. But it was said in jest none the less.
Anyone who is sitting at home thinking that Mittens would actually want to see someone do harm to themselves has obviously never spoken to him and probably does not know the type of person he actually is.
I think everyone deserves a chance at redemption.
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Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:09:00 -
[1497] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:orphenshadow wrote:Markus Reese wrote:orphenshadow wrote:The arguments against those of us who still support The Mittani has resorted to.. "Oh your a goon/cfc member you are going to support him no matter what" is getting kind of old.
There are plenty of people in goonswarm and the cfc who are upset with what happened. The main difference is that we know the person behind the mistake. We know the character behind the persona that the rest of eve see's.
It's not some tin foil hat conspiracy.. We have no reason to want him off the CSM, and therefore no reason to close our minds and hearts to his sincere apology. Question then for the goon organization then on the situation, seriously please. I myself feel the appology was well written. If not for the fact that real name was given. Majority of the people in this thread did not know that. His wife in other forums has expressed displeasure about it. Those are signs that it is serious and sentimental. The question is about punishment. Understandably he is supported, I am sure it takes alot to keep the goons together. Honestly, I have no idea how from the outside view I get you guys keep it together. Something on the internal has to be doing it. But should there be, and would you guys agree with a reasonable punishment handed out. As a supporter, what do you feel if reasonable if yes. If no punishment, why not? Would no punishment be showing favoritizm or was there no violation of the rules? I am not a member of Goons, So I cannot comment on how they are handling the situation internally. However, The man made a public apology, and willingly associated his real name with the situation. This will follow him around for the rest of his life. Not only that but he gave literally every isk he owned to the guy. He is sorry for what he did and he feels shameful and regrets it. I do not think that he will do something like this again. I think that this is sufficient punishment for his action. I don't think so. Look at how Mittani the Great singlehandedly destroyed all the years of his hard work, in a single day: http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/116503-Eve-Online-Panel-Encourages-Harassing-Suicidal-Playerhttp://www.edge-online.com/news/ccp-launches-investigation-after-suicidal-player-mockedhttp://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-26-ccp-launches-investigation-after-eve-online-fanfest-panel-accused-of-mocking-suicidal-playerIf CCP shows leniency in Mittani the Great's action, it only tells the media that CCP completely supports cyber-bullying and a proponent of "player-assisted suicide." Surely, none of you want every non-EVE players to associate all of us as high school illiterate who cyber-bullies during free-time and supports bigotry remarks at anyone different than the usual crowd? Mittani the Great should resign and save us the trouble of having CCP make the hard choice.
Dude, get over yourself. He didn't destroy anything, it's morons like you that made some stupid protest about something a drunk guy said. I could right now, go on youtube and show you many videos of drunk people saying some really dumb things, but would you make a protest over it, and send it to the media outlets? No you won't, because you won't get anything out of it, and you know that the mainstream media would laugh your stupid self out of their office or force you to hang up the phone.
None of you truly care about The Wis, you are only posting against Mittani for your own personal gain, whatever it is you think you are going to get out o fit. It's disgusting, and it only ruins people's real life because of it. You people are beyond disgusting. |
brokentrader
Elysian Navy
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:09:00 -
[1498] - Quote
People need to harden up. Also if your mentally unstable FFS don't play this game.
If someone tells me on the internets he wants to kill himself, boo hoo he is gonna be mocked.
And if he does, who cares this world is way overpopulated and we got way bigger problems...
@Mittens, please do not step down! |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:10:00 -
[1499] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:The Mittani was the person who first decided it would be funny to tell everybody about Wis. No, he thought it would be funny to tell everyone in the internet videogame called Eve: Online. Then some self-serving carebears decided to take that and post it to every game news website and force CCP into making public statements and acting all political. If -any- of these people cared about The Wis they'd have left him alone. Instead, you took an insult that he didn't even know about, and used it to make him upset to prove your point that it was a 'mean' thing to say. Yes it was a little mean if taken literally, but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr. There is the problem, he though it was funny. At no point did he even consider the ramifications, the possible consequences. At no point did the thought entire his head "hmm.. maybe taking the **** out of somebody who claims to be suicidal in front of thousands of people might be going a tad to far?" Why do you think that CCP has a rule against posting kill mails, eve mails, private conversations for the sole purpose to mock and humiliate people? Every decision in life we take has a consequence. It is up the individual to consider those consequences, in this instance he didn't which was unfortunate. Also the remark about "but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr" is hypercritical at best. It was The Mittani who thought it would be funny to drag the guys personal life in front of the cameras, you can not then condemn others who are defending (what ever their motives) but not also condemning the Mittani as well.
This is a spectacular demonstration of the sort of proxy white knighting this thread is made out of. Not only is the so-called "victim" totally unmoved by the event, he was also totally out of the loop until somebody tracked him down to ask him about it. Additionally, the whole thing only has traction in the first place because people not even connected to the so-called victim got their panties in a bunch about a joke that could be considered in poor taste.
This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys. |
nestafarios
stooge in plain sight
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:10:00 -
[1500] - Quote
Welcome to the political arena, everything you say can and will be held against you; especially when it is aired for many to see, public speaking is an interesting thing, and sometimes what you say may have consequences.
A leader in a PUBLIC arena (and that is the issue) must be careful of his/her words and actions, because they are representing something larger than they are. Repercussions should follow the CSM guidelines what ever they may be. |
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
411
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:11:00 -
[1501] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Versuvius Marii wrote:I've been drunk plenty of times. Not once have I turned around to anybody and told them that if their issues are that bad they should kill themselves.
Just sayin'. Ive been drunk alot of times too, ive said some very bad things to people when drunk. Ive also gotten into fights and hurt people. It isnt big, it isnt clever, but its what happens when you put mind altering chemicals into your system. Anyone who says that being drunk doesnt make you do stupid things is either A: Lying, or B: Never been drunk. Wow don't ever want you in my defense. That does not make it an excuse. You hurt ppl but thats ok because you where drunk F**k me ????
No, I quite clearly state that it ISNT ok. I am saying that what you do when drunk isnt what you do when you are not drunk, answering the people who are saying who you are when drunk is the real you.
You are right, you probably dont want me in your defense, I am not fond of defending stupid people. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Prince Kobol
346
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:12:00 -
[1502] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:The Mittani was the person who first decided it would be funny to tell everybody about Wis. No, he thought it would be funny to tell everyone in the internet videogame called Eve: Online. Then some self-serving carebears decided to take that and post it to every game news website and force CCP into making public statements and acting all political. If -any- of these people cared about The Wis they'd have left him alone. Instead, you took an insult that he didn't even know about, and used it to make him upset to prove your point that it was a 'mean' thing to say. Yes it was a little mean if taken literally, but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr. There is the problem, he though it was funny. At no point did he even consider the ramifications, the possible consequences. At no point did the thought entire his head "hmm.. maybe taking the **** out of somebody who claims to be suicidal in front of thousands of people might be going a tad to far?" Why do you think that CCP has a rule against posting kill mails, eve mails, private conversations for the sole purpose to mock and humiliate people? Every decision in life we take has a consequence. It is up the individual to consider those consequences, in this instance he didn't which was unfortunate. Also the remark about "but its also mean to go dragging that guy's personal life up in front of the cameras as your martyr" is hypercritical at best. It was The Mittani who thought it would be funny to drag the guys personal life in front of the cameras, you can not then condemn others who are defending (what ever their motives) but not also condemning the Mittani as well. Really? Really dude? He was merely posting mails he got from morons that got popped then wanted to get something out of it by sending the mail in the first place. The Wis didn't even remember sending it, or the fact that he was ganked, and didn't even care what Mitanni said, then didn't care even after reading about it and hearing about it. The only people that care about this, are the people who took gross offense to what some dumb drunk guy said, and those of us defending the person he is, not what he said.
Your missing the point. Whether Wis is full of **** is not the issue and has never been the issue.
The issue is that he stood up front of thousands of people at a official CCP Event and mocked a person who was potentially suicidal.
I completely accept that the guy did a very dumb thing and that in real life he is not like that.
However as I said, there are consequences to every action you take.
If it wasn't an issue then none of the sites that reported on this would of cared. These sites don't don't give a **** what we think or what is said on the forum as far as they are concerned it was a case of a player driven panel at a official event that was encouraging Cyber Bullying.
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:14:00 -
[1503] - Quote
*YAWN* At this point I am just waiting on work to end so I can go out, have dinner, and get laid. This **** goes on and on and on... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
423
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:16:00 -
[1504] - Quote
orphenshadow wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Also being drunk is no excuse
Alchohol just lowers your social inhabitions
Therefore this is what he really thinks but normaly wouldn't have the guts to say I'm going to go out on a limb here.. I do not have sympathy for anyone who says they want to commit suicide. I think its a sign of weakness and a ploy for attention. If someone says that they are considering suicide then they by god better be serious. I think anyone who makes such a claim should be arrested and sent to a psychiatric ward. It's one of the things that pisses me off more than anything. I have often thought that some of these people should just do it, instead of constantly talking about it and using it as a ploy for attention. But this is mostly a cynnical and sarcastic opinion and I would never dream of actually walking up to someone and telling them to do it. My point is... I'm sure a lot of us have had similar opinions that we would never openly act on. I do not for one second believe that he had any intention of actually trying to get someone to commit suicide. I think to him at that moment it was a dark and uncouth joke. Granted one that may or may not have had real life consequences. But it was said in jest none the less. Anyone who is sitting at home thinking that Mittens would actually want to see someone do harm to themselves has obviously never spoken to him and probably does not know the type of person he actually is. I think everyone deserves a chance at redemption.
Good luck out on that limb bud ... read your first sentence and ignored the rest
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:16:00 -
[1505] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:When i was in gradeschool, we were on a field trip. One of the students literally shat his pants and everyone saw it. Needless to say, there was many jokes about it.
Now, imagine if a teacher called an assembly, and dragged him up on stage and gave a huge lecture about bullying. Thats what you did to The Wis. You took his personal issues, and used it for your own self-serving purposes without even considering what he would want. This is what Mittani did and encouraged other people to do as well. No, was just in his class laughing and making fun of the situation. You can argue that it was childish, sure. But it was all of you mittani-hatersl who decided to give the lecture and turn it into cannon fodder to use against your enemies. This might result in his entire REAL LIFE family/friends finding out about his situation and personal issues. There is also the possibility that he may have the police show up to check on his condition. If the police are unsure, they are forced to hold him for 72 hour suicide watch. What if he didn't want this? Did any of you ask The Wis what he thought before you started posting your crap to every game news site you could find? Nope. Prince Kobol wrote:
There is the problem, he though it was funny.
At no point did he even consider the ramifications, the possible consequences. At no point did the thought entire his head
Perhaps you're right. I wont argue that you are wrong here. But, my point is that YOU didnt consider the ramifications of YOUR actions ether. And infact, you made a far bigger scene and subjected The Wis to far many more people's ridicule then Mittani ever did.
I don't know how it is you think these events started or what your imagination is telling you about how this whole thing unfolded, but it certainly wasn't CFC members posting notices to Escapist and Massively about how horrible this guy was made fun of for claiming to be suicidal. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
221
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:17:00 -
[1506] - Quote
Morphisat wrote:Sentinel Mantik wrote:I can't believe what is happening here...
As a person, I count the action of appologice from The Mittani. He may made the mistake to call out the name of the scam-victim CHAR, but he was drunk. I personaly normaly won't drink alkohol, especialy when i have to make a presentation (even if it is trolling at all) but i often see people do such things while they're drunk. The char-name maybe could be changed... no one knows the real name of the player behind the char.
The facts I count:
- Mittens did a great Job as CSM 6 Chairmen - over 10.000 people voted him for CSM 7 - Mittens made a mistake while drunk by calling the name - Mittens apologiced for what he has done
I defenetly won't let one mistake be the turningpoint.
Who of you ever was so drunk that you said something that you wont have sad otherwise? Those please throw the first stone... By this logic, every thing you do while drunk can be excused. What a load of crap.
So when you cheat your wife while you drunk she only say "nothing until you say sorry"??? |
brokentrader
Elysian Navy
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:17:00 -
[1507] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: The issue is that he stood up front of thousands of people at a official CCP Event and mocked a person who was potentially suicidal.
Yes, because when some anonymous dude on the internet claims to be suicidal, LETS ALL MAKE A BIG DEAL OUT OF IT.
Hell, I'm suicidal because my untanked hauler got ganked in jita, if CCP dont reimburse me I'm gonna kill myself. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:17:00 -
[1508] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote: read your first sentence and ignored the rest
Clearly posts are not meant to be read or understood. That would require critical thinking skills and the like. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:17:00 -
[1509] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: If it wasn't an issue then none of the sites that reported on this would of cared. These sites don't don't give a **** what we think or what is said on the forum as far as they are concerned it was a case of a player driven panel at a official event that was encouraging Cyber Bullying.
Oh, give me a break, the "journalistic" scum are always up for the "sensation", making up one if there aren't any readily available.
These sites don't give a flying **** what we think or what is said or about Mittens or about the allegedly suicidal dude, they care for the page visits and will blow out of proportion anything.
A dude's roleplaying bleeded into RL when he was drunk and made him say nasty things, boo-hoo, big news. At 11.
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Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
271
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:18:00 -
[1510] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Singeabooty Raj wrote: Edit: ~Snipe~
Its not a snipe if you edit your post to notice. ~~~Chill out Bro~~~ Black Man with Goggles |
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Ssakaa
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:18:00 -
[1511] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote: Perhaps I don't know the American system but I used to live with a Barrister in England and I know how strict they can be
For practising barristers in England and Wales:-
You're quite right.
Note the above emphasis.
Murientor tribal witch. Now with hair extensions. |
Clause VonDouche
Asgard Defence And Logistics Force Two Inch Terror
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:18:00 -
[1512] - Quote
It is ok Alex, we forgive you and still love you. Hugs. My Chairman |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:19:00 -
[1513] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:*YAWN* At this point I am just waiting on work to end so I can go out, have dinner, and get laid. This **** goes on and on and on...
It'll be ignored in a few days anyway.
As for Prince Kobol:
They are only reporting on it because it's FanFest and they have nothing else to report on, so they are winging with this. The people calling this cyber bullying are idiots and have no idea what cyber bullying really is. There has been less back lash at a Senator using a racial slur than there has with what Mittani stated.
CCP doesn't need to do anything at all, at worst administratively ban him, and have a sober alliance panel next year. Why they were not moderated anyway is beyond me. It's CCP's fault that this even went down, they had no regulations put in place, and it wasn't moderated very well at all. The CCP guy standing there had no control over it because 90% of the panelists were drunk off their ass.
If any of you morons are going to blame anyone, blame CCP for allowing this to happen. Apologies were made, the topic should be dead. All you guys are doing is beating a dead horse to dust. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
423
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:20:00 -
[1514] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Professor Alphane wrote: read your first sentence and ignored the rest Clearly posts are not meant to be read or understood. That would require critical thinking skills and the like.
Why bother when the guy proves himslf an ass in the first sentence
To me thats like saying.. I have no sympathy for those who have cancer
Suicidal tendencies are an illness in the same way.
Why bother listening when he already proved he has nothing real or relevant ot say
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone Ironworks Coalition
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:20:00 -
[1515] - Quote
Maybe somebody should make a drunken Youtube video as an apology while singing Lady Gaga. If he's drunk then perhaps he means it, amirite? Plus can't get much lower than singing that.
Deadly serious btw. Get drunk, make the vid. The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
423
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:21:00 -
[1516] - Quote
Ssakaa wrote:Professor Alphane wrote: Perhaps I don't know the American system but I used to live with a Barrister in England and I know how strict they can be
For practising barristers in England and Wales:- You're quite right.Note the above emphasis.
I'm sure you are the relevant authority to tell me that ..... we will see what the relevant association make of it
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Prince Kobol
347
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:21:00 -
[1517] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:When i was in gradeschool, we were on a field trip. One of the students literally shat his pants and everyone saw it. Needless to say, there was many jokes about it.
Now, imagine if a teacher called an assembly, and dragged him up on stage and gave a huge lecture about bullying. Thats what you did to The Wis. You took his personal issues, and used it for your own self-serving purposes without even considering what he would want. This is what Mittani did and encouraged other people to do as well. No, was just in his class laughing and making fun of the situation. You can argue that it was childish, sure. But it was all of you mittani-hatersl who decided to give the lecture and turn it into cannon fodder to use against your enemies. This might result in his entire REAL LIFE family/friends finding out about his situation and personal issues. There is also the possibility that he may have the police show up to check on his condition. If the police are unsure, they are forced to hold him for 72 hour suicide watch. What if he didn't want this? Did any of you ask The Wis what he thought before you started posting your crap to every game news site you could find? Nope. Prince Kobol wrote:
There is the problem, he though it was funny.
At no point did he even consider the ramifications, the possible consequences. At no point did the thought entire his head
Perhaps you're right. I wont argue that you are wrong here. But, my point is that YOU didnt consider the ramifications of YOUR actions ether. And infact, you made a far bigger scene and subjected The Wis to far many more people's ridicule then Mittani ever did.
Hey, I completely agree with you on that point.
Who ever decided to mail I believe it was euro gamer was a complete idiot and has the same problem as many people do in Eve and forget there is a thing called the real world and that our actions in that real world have real consequences.
If somebody found it that offensive then they should of just contacted CCP and had the matter dealt with internally.
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uwai223
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:22:00 -
[1518] - Quote
All aboard the bandwagon! You are now morally superior to mittens! Feel good about it while you can you insignificant maggots! We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy! |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
423
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:23:00 -
[1519] - Quote
uwai223 wrote: You are now morally superior to mittens!
F me I hope so.....
Better ending it if I'm not IMO.. no irony intended
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:25:00 -
[1520] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:uwai223 wrote: You are now morally superior to mittens! F me I hope so..... Better ending it if I'm not IMO.. no irony intended
Dude, it's easy to take the high road when the magnifying glass isn't on you. |
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Finanche
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:25:00 -
[1521] - Quote
Good sincere apology. Now save your strength for the sacking of Jita. |
Vihura
Vihura Cor
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:25:00 -
[1522] - Quote
Almost believed him, but i'm very very gullible person.... |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
84
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:25:00 -
[1523] - Quote
Apology accepted.
A couple of questions, though (I will also evemail these, since it seems unfair to expect you to read through the whole effing thread):
1) Any comments on your initial reaction (the "deal with it")? That is posted on 25th at 16:01. On Sunday. Your apology is posted on Tuesday. Did it take all that time for you to sober up? Where you also drunk all the time since the alliance panel until posting the "deal with it"? Or do you have some other excuse than being drunk for the initial comment?
2) Any words to your followers, who seem to think that your behaviour was just fine?
3) If your drunken joke had not included the mention of suicide, do you think it would then have been just fine to use your alliance presentation time and your reputation in a live event to single out one player/character as a target? In other words, how far do you consider it appropriate to use your position in the player community to promote your character's goals / your alliances goal of producing as much tears as possible?
Elsebeth
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Thecla Elarik
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:25:00 -
[1524] - Quote
Alexander Gianturco has my full confidence and support to continue as chairman of CSM7. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:26:00 -
[1525] - Quote
uwai223 wrote:All aboard the bandwagon! You are now morally superior to mittens! Feel good about it while you can you insignificant maggots!
While I know all you little wall boogers want to swarm to the defense of your holy king picker, let's be decent and leave morals out of this. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:26:00 -
[1526] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:uwai223 wrote: You are now morally superior to mittens! F me I hope so..... Better ending it if I'm not IMO.. no irony intended Dude, it's easy to take the high road when the magnifying glass isn't on you.
Turn it on me I don't mind
And it's easy to take the high road when others stoop so low, in fact it's almost impposible not to if you see what I mean
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:26:00 -
[1527] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys.
Yes. Any reporting of the Mitanni's actions is clearly not at all the fault of the person who carried out said actions. Also, the bad feelings aroused by the Murdoch press hacking phones is entirely due to the newspaper that broke the story. After all, those people wouldn't feel bad if they didn't know their phones were being hacked. Damn this free flow of information that makes people responsible for their own actions! Dammit I say! |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:27:00 -
[1528] - Quote
Vihura wrote:Almost believed him, but i'm very very gullible person....
You shoudl believe him, because he's a friggin human being, and we all make a stupid mistake in our lives. I've made numerous.
Some of you are posting based on the video game and not using common sense about how life works, and how life actually is. You are merely posting based on this stupid video game.
Mittens is a human being, and he doesn't do this kinda thing just to do it.
You are all the Virgin Mary I guess, and have never done anything to affront another person in your lives. I'm sure that's 100% correct right? |
Prince Kobol
348
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:28:00 -
[1529] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: If it wasn't an issue then none of the sites that reported on this would of cared. These sites don't don't give a **** what we think or what is said on the forum as far as they are concerned it was a case of a player driven panel at a official event that was encouraging Cyber Bullying.
Oh, give me a break, the "journalistic" scum are always up for the "sensation", making up one if there aren't any readily available. These sites don't give a flying **** what we think or what is said or about Mittens or about the allegedly suicidal dude, they care for the page visits and will blow out of proportion anything. A dude's roleplaying bleeded into RL when he was drunk and made him say nasty things, boo-hoo, big news. At 11.
Thats point lol
At the moment in many countries Cyber Bullying and these stupid media driven stories about how computers games are making kids evil killing machines are very prevalent.
So going onto a stage and mocking somebody who was potentially suicidal was a dumb thing to do.
However it was just that.. dumb.
The person who then reported the story to Euro Gamer in my opinion has done a lot more damage to both Alex Gianturco the real life person and Eve as a game then what the Mittani did in those few minutes whilst being drunk on stage. |
Caitlin Fox
House Harkonnen.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:28:00 -
[1530] - Quote
i cannot really take this apology srs...it sounds like a politician that says "sorry". just to save his ass not to apology |
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Lolmer
Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:29:00 -
[1531] - Quote
Pedro Chang wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:The condeming evidence that doesn't allow Mittens to pull the 'I was drunk' card is the fact that he had the slide, etc organised prior to FF, which makes the comments a pre-meditated act.
From CCP's perspective I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion from their investigation other than the Mittani had pre-organised to make the comments that he did. And any media outlet is going to burn CCP at the stake if they ignore this fact in their PR damage control.
See, that's the problem I have with it. This guy, who is representing both CCP and the entire EVE community, decided way before alcohol was involved to harass this guy IRL. When your in-game character spills that much into RL, it's time for CCP to give you a break.
Would you (and others) please stop spewing false statements?! The anonymous EvE Mail was in the slide. The naming of the in-game character was made at the end in response to a question and seemed spur of the moment. At no point did Real Life(TM) information on the "victim" be presented. This was also done during an Alliance panel for CEOs to talk about their alliances and had nothing to do with CSM (CSM 7 winners wouldn't even be announced for two more days (panel was on Thursday, announcement on Saturday)). |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:29:00 -
[1532] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Professor Alphane wrote: read your first sentence and ignored the rest Clearly posts are not meant to be read or understood. That would require critical thinking skills and the like. Why bother when the guy proves himslf an ass in the first sentence To me thats like saying.. I have no sympathy for those who have cancer Suicidal tendencies are an illness in the same way. Why bother listening when he already proved he has nothing real or relevant ot say
Serious question. Do you read the things your write back to yourself as you write them? I have a hard time believing that you wrote something like that after considering it honestly.
Also, your "first sentence" is pretty ironic. Apparently your post contains no content worth reading either. Certainly they couldn't be using a commonly used lead in phrasing or literary common phrase. No sir, he must just be a moron, better not read the post to find out. |
Shnejder
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:29:00 -
[1533] - Quote
What does people expect from a Bee without a backbone? |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:29:00 -
[1534] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys. Yes. Any reporting of the Mitanni's actions is clearly not at all the fault of the person who carried out said actions. Also, the bad feelings aroused by the Murdoch press hacking phones is entirely due to the newspaper that broke the story. After all, those people wouldn't feel bad if they didn't know their phones were being hacked. Damn this free flow of information that makes people responsible for their own actions! Dammit I say!
No, this probably would have been shrugged off as a very drunk guy in a purple wizard hat saying something stupid. The most attention it would have gotten would be 'trolls gonna troll' and business would have continued as usual. No one would have remembered this a week from now. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:30:00 -
[1535] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:I don't know how it is you think these events started or what your imagination is telling you about how this whole thing unfolded, but it certainly wasn't CFC members posting notices to Escapist and Massively about how horrible this guy was made fun of for claiming to be suicidal.
I know, right? You guys just mocked him on your own private forums amongst a select group of about 8000 people. And then your leader broadcast the details in public. And then called on other people to harass him.
Kings among men, truly you are kings among men. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:30:00 -
[1536] - Quote
Yes given his first comment when he learnt of it is 'deal with it'
Given he has always clearly stated he DOES NOT RP
Given he is a snake generally
I'm sure one little post is going to make attempted murder so much better
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:30:00 -
[1537] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Versuvius Marii wrote:I've been drunk plenty of times. Not once have I turned around to anybody and told them that if their issues are that bad they should kill themselves.
Just sayin'. Ive been drunk alot of times too, ive said some very bad things to people when drunk. Ive also gotten into fights and hurt people. It isnt big, it isnt clever, but its what happens when you put mind altering chemicals into your system. Anyone who says that being drunk doesnt make you do stupid things is either A: Lying, or B: Never been drunk. Wow don't ever want you in my defense. That does not make it an excuse. You hurt ppl but thats ok because you where drunk F**k me ???? No, I quite clearly state that it ISNT ok. I am saying that what you do when drunk isnt what you do when you are not drunk, answering the people who are saying who you are when drunk is the real you. You are right, you probably dont want me in your defense, I am not fond of defending stupid people.
You where defending ppl being drunk, if not what was the point of your post ?
Tal
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Fenrir Cesaille
Mercs of Vengeance The Methodical Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:31:00 -
[1538] - Quote
Ruthless |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:31:00 -
[1539] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Professor Alphane wrote: read your first sentence and ignored the rest Clearly posts are not meant to be read or understood. That would require critical thinking skills and the like. Why bother when the guy proves himslf an ass in the first sentence To me thats like saying.. I have no sympathy for those who have cancer Suicidal tendencies are an illness in the same way. Why bother listening when he already proved he has nothing real or relevant ot say Serious question. Do you read the things your write back to yourself as you write them? I have a hard time believing that you wrote something like that after considering it honestly. Also, your "first sentence" is pretty ironic. Apparently your post contains no content worth reading either. Certainly they couldn't be using a commonly used lead in phrasing or literary common phrase. No sir, he must just be a moron, better not read the post to find out.
lol... WTF do you care anyhow
GOON
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
uwai223
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:31:00 -
[1540] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:uwai223 wrote:All aboard the bandwagon! You are now morally superior to mittens! Feel good about it while you can you insignificant maggots! While I know all you little wall boogers want to swarm to the defense of your holy king picker, let's be decent and leave morals out of this.
Hey, I was just trying to make you feel good about yourself. No need to get stingy. We are all friends here, right? We are required by our constitution to let the voters think they have a choice. That's democracy! |
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Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:33:00 -
[1541] - Quote
This thread is going to be huge! O.o |
Shinrea
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:33:00 -
[1542] - Quote
One thing people need to take into account, he made a mistake we all have.
He has admitted his mistake and apologised.
The miner in question is alive and well, playing eve as normal.
If he was to resign it would cause far more damage than currently, as The Mittani is a major part of the CSM.
+1 to apology and you have my support Mittani.
Shinrea |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:33:00 -
[1543] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys. Yes. Any reporting of the Mitanni's actions is clearly not at all the fault of the person who carried out said actions. Also, the bad feelings aroused by the Murdoch press hacking phones is entirely due to the newspaper that broke the story. After all, those people wouldn't feel bad if they didn't know their phones were being hacked. Damn this free flow of information that makes people responsible for their own actions! Dammit I say! No, this probably would have been shrugged off as a very drunk guy in a purple wizard hat saying something stupid. The most attention it would have gotten would be 'trolls gonna troll' and business would have continued as usual. No one would have remembered this a week from now.
You appear to have missed the 'what actually happened' bit out of your story of 'what would have happened if what actually happened didn't happen'. None of this would have happened if the Mittani had not made the guy's details public. None of it. the buck very clearly stops there and trying to say that the real problem is the fact that people then talked about the horrible (his word) things he had done is disingenuous at best and enormously self-deceptive at worst. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:34:00 -
[1544] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Yes given his first comment when he learnt of it is 'deal with it'
Given he has always clearly stated he DOES NOT RP
Given he is a snake generally
I'm sure one little post is going to make attempted murder so much better
So you know Mittani in real life? Best buds are ya? You seriously are delusional, and whatever you post from here on out is irrelevant. |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:34:00 -
[1545] - Quote
Thecla Elarik wrote:Alexander Gianturco has my full confidence and support to continue as chairman of CSM7.
I think I just puked a little... mittani 'the king of space'...I think I puked again... |
Kalach'Cha
2 Alts 1 Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:34:00 -
[1546] - Quote
I hope I'm not giving more credit than he deserves, but The Mittani has shown a level of cleverness and intelligence to indicate that this was no drunken mistake, rather he just tried to push the envelope once more, to see how much shenanigans he can get away with, without being slapped over the wrist by CCP, as well as gain more ++rep with his corp members, I mean making a presentation for the alliance panel usually takes some preparation work, even if he put a small amount of effort into it, still shows that this was indeed his intention, to mock and entice people to harass the guy.
I fear that if CCP doesn't act and at the very least, remove The Mittani from CSM, if not ban him from EVE completely, they are showing a level of favoritism and mishandling of the situation similar to the t20 debacle and The Mittani will just attempt to push the envelope again once the dust settles.
I have seen people banned for less than this. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
636
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:35:00 -
[1547] - Quote
Drug is a hell of a alcohol.
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Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:36:00 -
[1548] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys. Yes. Any reporting of the Mitanni's actions is clearly not at all the fault of the person who carried out said actions. Also, the bad feelings aroused by the Murdoch press hacking phones is entirely due to the newspaper that broke the story. After all, those people wouldn't feel bad if they didn't know their phones were being hacked. Damn this free flow of information that makes people responsible for their own actions! Dammit I say! No, this probably would have been shrugged off as a very drunk guy in a purple wizard hat saying something stupid. The most attention it would have gotten would be 'trolls gonna troll' and business would have continued as usual. No one would have remembered this a week from now. You appear to have missed the 'what actually happened' bit out of your story of 'what would have happened if what actually happened didn't happen'. None of this would have happened if the Mittani had not made the guy's details public. None of it. the buck very clearly stops there and trying to say that the real problem is the fact that people then talked about the horrible (his word) things he had done is disingenuous at best and enormously self-deceptive at worst.
Kara, none of this would have happened had CCP actually enforced a sober panel.
None of this would have happened if CCP had it properly Moderated, which they did not.
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ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:36:00 -
[1549] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Yes given his first comment when he learnt of it is 'deal with it'
Given he has always clearly stated he DOES NOT RP
Given he is a snake generally
I'm sure one little post is going to make attempted murder so much better
WTG on keeping things in perspective buddy |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:37:00 -
[1550] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Kara, none of this would have happened had CCP actually enforced a sober panel.
Sobriety tests for all participants! |
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Selene Theron
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:37:00 -
[1551] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Professor Alphane wrote: read your first sentence and ignored the rest Clearly posts are not meant to be read or understood. That would require critical thinking skills and the like. Why bother when the guy proves himslf an ass in the first sentence To me thats like saying.. I have no sympathy for those who have cancer Suicidal tendencies are an illness in the same way. Why bother listening when he already proved he has nothing real or relevant ot say Serious question. Do you read the things your write back to yourself as you write them? I have a hard time believing that you wrote something like that after considering it honestly. Also, your "first sentence" is pretty ironic. Apparently your post contains no content worth reading either. Certainly they couldn't be using a commonly used lead in phrasing or literary common phrase. No sir, he must just be a moron, better not read the post to find out.
A serious question. Are you gonna continue mocking other opinions or are you actually gonna contribute somthing to this threat? Right im off this is getting on my nerves. |
Baneken
Hyvat Pahat ja Eric The Polaris Syndicate
91
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:38:00 -
[1552] - Quote
I'll accept to apology, besides this issue has really blown out of proportions for something that was supposed to be some humorous slap stick at fan fest about someone who takes this game too seriously.
Maybe next time leave the names out and everyone, including the victims will be happy at the next fan fest. EVE is about scams and pranks but they really should be left in game where they belong and perhaps find some other ways to show it off that you goons like playing as the bad guys of EVE. |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:38:00 -
[1553] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys. Yes. Any reporting of the Mitanni's actions is clearly not at all the fault of the person who carried out said actions. Also, the bad feelings aroused by the Murdoch press hacking phones is entirely due to the newspaper that broke the story. After all, those people wouldn't feel bad if they didn't know their phones were being hacked. Damn this free flow of information that makes people responsible for their own actions! Dammit I say! No, this probably would have been shrugged off as a very drunk guy in a purple wizard hat saying something stupid. The most attention it would have gotten would be 'trolls gonna troll' and business would have continued as usual. No one would have remembered this a week from now. You appear to have missed the 'what actually happened' bit out of your story of 'what would have happened if what actually happened didn't happen'. None of this would have happened if the Mittani had not made the guy's details public. None of it. the buck very clearly stops there and trying to say that the real problem is the fact that people then talked about the horrible (his word) things he had done is disingenuous at best and enormously self-deceptive at worst. Kara, none of this would have happened had CCP actually enforced a sober panel. None of this would have happened if CCP had it properly Moderated, which they did not.
Okay, I'm going to be an ******* again and say that none of this would have happened if some guy on the internet hadn't wrote a sappy mail about how horrible his life was because he lost some mining barges in a pvp game.
I'm sure we can go further back if needed. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:38:00 -
[1554] - Quote
I am
Want to keep posting your 'cult' BS, carry on
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:38:00 -
[1555] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys. Yes. Any reporting of the Mitanni's actions is clearly not at all the fault of the person who carried out said actions. Also, the bad feelings aroused by the Murdoch press hacking phones is entirely due to the newspaper that broke the story. After all, those people wouldn't feel bad if they didn't know their phones were being hacked. Damn this free flow of information that makes people responsible for their own actions! Dammit I say!
So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:39:00 -
[1556] - Quote
Shinrea wrote:One thing people need to take into account, he made a mistake we all have.
He has admitted his mistake and apologised.
The miner in question is alive and well, playing eve as normal.
If he was to resign it would cause far more damage than currently, as The Mittani is a major part of the CSM.
+1 to apology and you have my support Mittani.
Shinrea So this sort of behavior is ok if you: 1) Apologizes 2) The person doesn't kill them selves 3) You are a member of the CSM
So where do we draw the line? You can do this as long as you apologize before the person dies? Do you have to be a member of the CSM, or is a CEO of a major corp good enough?
He acted in real life and brought bad press to CCP just before DUST 514 launches, it's bad for business and it's bad for the game.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:40:00 -
[1557] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:I am Want to keep posting your 'cult' BS, carry on
I do not think you know what those words you used mean!
Then again, you liked I post I made of a much earlier topic where I said your thread was a "pretty entertaining troll" so maybe you're just messing with us again? |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:40:00 -
[1558] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:
Kara, none of this would have happened had CCP actually enforced a sober panel.
None of this would have happened if CCP had it properly Moderated, which they did not.
That's just another attempt to shift responsibility from the primary agent in this mess. You blame the people that discuss the Mittani's actions. You blame the people that failed to moderate him. Could you please direct me to the post where you blame him over and above all these outliers?
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:40:00 -
[1559] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys. Yes. Any reporting of the Mitanni's actions is clearly not at all the fault of the person who carried out said actions. Also, the bad feelings aroused by the Murdoch press hacking phones is entirely due to the newspaper that broke the story. After all, those people wouldn't feel bad if they didn't know their phones were being hacked. Damn this free flow of information that makes people responsible for their own actions! Dammit I say! No, this probably would have been shrugged off as a very drunk guy in a purple wizard hat saying something stupid. The most attention it would have gotten would be 'trolls gonna troll' and business would have continued as usual. No one would have remembered this a week from now. You appear to have missed the 'what actually happened' bit out of your story of 'what would have happened if what actually happened didn't happen'. None of this would have happened if the Mittani had not made the guy's details public. None of it. the buck very clearly stops there and trying to say that the real problem is the fact that people then talked about the horrible (his word) things he had done is disingenuous at best and enormously self-deceptive at worst. And then you leave out that those "details" were his name and that he has a corp in EVE. Stop the presses, what a scoop. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:40:00 -
[1560] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Kara, none of this would have happened had CCP actually enforced a sober panel. Sobriety tests for all participants!
I actually like the informal panels, drunkards and all. |
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Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:41:00 -
[1561] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:This is probably as good a time as any to point out. Any "bad press" that comes out of this, the community brought upon themselves. It is you, the Eve--0 badposter who is bringing upon EVE: The Game About Internet Spaceships all of this bad press as a part of a witch hunt where the only person who should care, really doesn't. Good work on the effort you put into sinking your own ship guys. Yes. Any reporting of the Mitanni's actions is clearly not at all the fault of the person who carried out said actions. Also, the bad feelings aroused by the Murdoch press hacking phones is entirely due to the newspaper that broke the story. After all, those people wouldn't feel bad if they didn't know their phones were being hacked. Damn this free flow of information that makes people responsible for their own actions! Dammit I say! No, this probably would have been shrugged off as a very drunk guy in a purple wizard hat saying something stupid. The most attention it would have gotten would be 'trolls gonna troll' and business would have continued as usual. No one would have remembered this a week from now. You appear to have missed the 'what actually happened' bit out of your story of 'what would have happened if what actually happened didn't happen'. None of this would have happened if the Mittani had not made the guy's details public. None of it. the buck very clearly stops there and trying to say that the real problem is the fact that people then talked about the horrible (his word) things he had done is disingenuous at best and enormously self-deceptive at worst. Kara, none of this would have happened had CCP actually enforced a sober panel. None of this would have happened if CCP had it properly Moderated, which they did not.
There's also that. We've got CCP handing out handles of jack to every second guest and all the panelists and we get shocked when someone says something off the cuff that turned out to be bad. While not representing the CSM, mind you, but representing the goons. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Galphii
Furnulum pani nolo THE SPACE P0LICE
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:42:00 -
[1562] - Quote
As chair of the CSM, you clearly have a certain 'presence' that goes beyond a regular player, and as such, you might want to watch you're intake next time
Your OP strikes me as very genuine, and as long as the offended individual is good with it, everyone else should be too. It takes a big man to admit his mistakes, and you've done just that. Carry on, sir! |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1211
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:43:00 -
[1563] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Shinrea wrote:One thing people need to take into account, he made a mistake we all have.
He has admitted his mistake and apologised.
The miner in question is alive and well, playing eve as normal.
If he was to resign it would cause far more damage than currently, as The Mittani is a major part of the CSM.
+1 to apology and you have my support Mittani.
Shinrea So this sort of behavior is ok if you: 1) Apologizes 2) The person doesn't kill them selves 3) You are a member of the CSM So where do we draw the line? You can do this as long as you apologize before the person dies? Do you have to be a member of the CSM, or is a CEO of a major corp good enough? He acted in real life and brought bad press to CCP just before DUST 514 launches, it's bad for business and it's bad for the game.
The behavior wasn't ok - that's why he apologized. However, you seem to be trying to build some kind of legal case and that's just not going to fly. Cyber bullying laws just do not work that way - the only way anyone's been convicted of anything has been through literal hacking of someone else's Facebook account. And even that got overturned.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Shinrea
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:44:00 -
[1564] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Shinrea wrote:One thing people need to take into account, he made a mistake we all have.
He has admitted his mistake and apologised.
The miner in question is alive and well, playing eve as normal.
If he was to resign it would cause far more damage than currently, as The Mittani is a major part of the CSM.
+1 to apology and you have my support Mittani.
Shinrea So this sort of behavior is ok if you: 1) Apologizes 2) The person doesn't kill them selves 3) You are a member of the CSM So where do we draw the line? You can do this as long as you apologize before the person dies? Do you have to be a member of the CSM, or is a CEO of a major corp good enough? He acted in real life and brought bad press to CCP just before DUST 514 launches, it's bad for business and it's bad for the game.
Firstly, if everyone got prosecuted for every mistake that was made, life would breakdown to anarchy.
Secondly as many people have sourced above, the miner has not commited suicide, does not appear to hardbour any ill-thoughts about himself or The Mittani.
Lastly people [Including you] is that last year during CCP's troubled times, The Mittani and others in the CSM put their personal and professional lives on hold to help CCP fix a game, this charitable event was done for the playerbase [yes thats you]. I think that he has easily proven himself to care about the game and its players.
Shirnea |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:44:00 -
[1565] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:
Kara, none of this would have happened had CCP actually enforced a sober panel.
None of this would have happened if CCP had it properly Moderated, which they did not.
That's just another attempt to shift responsibility from the primary agent in this mess. You blame the people that discuss the Mittani's actions. You blame the people that failed to moderate him. Could you please direct me to the post where you blame him over and above all these outliers?
Oh, what he said was wrong sure. I probably would have said the same damn thing if I were in his shoes and drunk like he was.
Sure, I blame CCP because they are ultimately responsible for it, because the panel happened on their property and in their building. They didn't do the responsible thing here, and they should be rightfully blamed. Mittani is to blame, we all pretty much know this, but those calling for him to step down from CSM are just plain morons and those are the people we are focusing on, because they have no idea what they are talking about.
CSM has nothing to do with this. Mittens is a public voice, sure, but so is mine, and so is yours Kara, does that mean whatever stupid thing you post should have you fired from your job? I think not, because your posts in Eve have nothing to do with your job. The same can be said about MIttens and the CSM. |
Sentinel Mantik
Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:46:00 -
[1566] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:Morphisat wrote:Sentinel Mantik wrote:I can't believe what is happening here...
As a person, I count the action of appologice from The Mittani. He may made the mistake to call out the name of the scam-victim CHAR, but he was drunk. I personaly normaly won't drink alkohol, especialy when i have to make a presentation (even if it is trolling at all) but i often see people do such things while they're drunk. The char-name maybe could be changed... no one knows the real name of the player behind the char.
The facts I count:
- Mittens did a great Job as CSM 6 Chairmen - over 10.000 people voted him for CSM 7 - Mittens made a mistake while drunk by calling the name - Mittens apologiced for what he has done
I defenetly won't let one mistake be the turningpoint.
Who of you ever was so drunk that you said something that you wont have sad otherwise? Those please throw the first stone... By this logic, every thing you do while drunk can be excused. What a load of crap. So when you cheat your wife while you drunk she only say "nothing until you say sorry"???
Sorry, but i don't wanted to point that alcohol excuses anything. It's just the point that if you know that some part of you is able to do such stupid things you should stay away from alcohol, especialy while in public.
To cheat my wife and call out a fictional name is quite a difference. At least i first need a wife to cheat... And as I said, if i know i am able to do such things while drunk, i would stay away from alcohol. I know i get verry aggresive when drunk, so i always stay away from alcohol. Thats my way to deal with it.
so please respect my thinking as i respect yours. Stay calm till CCP decides what has to be done. Minmatar 4 life
German player.
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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
199
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:46:00 -
[1567] - Quote
A good and the only acceptable move.
Still I think you should resign as space politician. This is where real life connects with Eve Online. Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:46:00 -
[1568] - Quote
If the person to whom mittens made his fulsome apology and reparations is satisfied and does not wish to pursue it further, then it should be the end of the matter, and we can all move on to whatever is the next big forum story. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
133
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:46:00 -
[1569] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Kara, none of this would have happened had CCP actually enforced a sober panel.
None of this would have happened if CCP had it properly Moderated, which they did not.
I agree, CCP share some of the responsibility.
I guess they wanted to capture the mood of the Fanfest, which they did but at a high cost. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
670
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:48:00 -
[1570] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Didn't know Mittani is a roleplayer like it or not we are all roleplaying. Or are you a real spaceship captain? If so, my apologies.
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:48:00 -
[1571] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:I don't know how it is you think these events started or what your imagination is telling you about how this whole thing unfolded, but it certainly wasn't CFC members posting notices to Escapist and Massively about how horrible this guy was made fun of for claiming to be suicidal. I know, right? You guys just mocked him on your own private forums amongst a select group of about 8000 people. And then your leader broadcast the details in public. And then called on other people to harass him. Kings among men, truly you are kings among men.
Personally, yeah, I find the idea that somebody is so attached to their space pixels that they would write a message threatening suicide over them rather amusing in a "this guy can't really be serious" way. You might be shocked, but your morals are not the morals of those around you and (shock incoming) they aren't superior to those of others simply because they're yours. Mittens presented it to the general public to also consider the sorts of tear laden mails that we get all the time. This one was exceptionally noteworthy so it got notice in the presentation. If this causes you some sort of personal harm, when it doesn't do a thing to the guy who wrote the damn thing, I think you might have too much time on your hands. I know I don't have that sort of time to burn worrying about what somebody else (who clearly doesn't give a ****) could have thought about something they don't care about. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:49:00 -
[1572] - Quote
Well it's good that the Matini apologised. I'm not sure if it's been forced by CCP though. I'm getting the hunch that CCP forced his hand in exchange for leniency. I won't be surprised if the Matini keeps his CSM position. Words are cheap. CCP will prove its integrity over the coming days. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:50:00 -
[1573] - Quote
Seleia O'Sinnor wrote:A good and the only acceptable move.
Still I think you should resign as space politician. This is where real life connects with Eve Online.
This situation had nothing to do with CSM, therefore, nothing should happen to Mittens in that regard. Had Mittani said this at a meeting of the CSM, then yes I would think he should resign, but that is not the case.
Here is an example:
Lets say you get drunk, state to a friend who then posts this online, that your job sucks and you hate it. Your boss sees it, then fires you because of it. Would you not be irate and not want to be fired because of it? Of course. You'd argue they used your personal life against you, firing you and it had nothing to do with your actual job performance.
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Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:50:00 -
[1574] - Quote
Well written defense. Lets keep him around a bit longer shall we? |
Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:50:00 -
[1575] - Quote
I'm wondering if the amount of bad posting and mad in this thread can condense into a singularity and suck the whole internets into the crap storm in a tea cup that this 'issue' has turned into.... GO WATCH KONY 2012 YOU ANGRY ANGRY NERDS! |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:51:00 -
[1576] - Quote
I wish I had voted for Mintchip. You know? LOL. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:52:00 -
[1577] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:
So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word.
You are confusing two completely different issues. 1) concern for the particular individual in this case, and 2) concern about a general type of behaviour. I am far more interested in 2) as the propagation of this type of behaviour ensures the repetition of similar events in the future. I reject absolutely your claim that the best way to deal with such things is to simply ignore them because that just means more of the same for more people further down the line. Your faux concern about 1) is even more nauseating than your attempt to use that concern as a method of deflecting from the issues surrounding 2).
And your definition of 'a total non-event' and 'a mole-hill' appears to be one that is not widely shared. It is getting press not because no-one gives a **** but precisely because it is of concern to considerable numbers of people. That it is not an issue for you just puts you in lock-step with the attitude that caused the issue in the first place. It was because the Mittani also thought it was not a big deal that he felt able to say what he did. Social mores, unfortunately for you, currently seem to have a wholly different opinion of the situation. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
287
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:59:00 -
[1578] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote: It is getting press not because no-one gives a **** but precisely because it is of concern to considerable numbers of people.
It is getting press because press lives on drama and they have no trouble blowing things out of proportion in hopes of getting visitors to their sites.
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:59:00 -
[1579] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:
You might be shocked, but your morals are not the morals of those around you and (shock incoming) they aren't superior to those of others simply because they're yours.
Actually, I don't believe in morals (certainly not in a better/worse sense). I do find it deeply amusing though that you post this kind of moral relativistic claptrap while trying to show that other people shouldn't be acting in a certain way. What you are really advancing in the claim that your morals are superior whilst using the (self-refuting) relativist claim as a tool for attacking those that you don't agree with. If you were a true moral relativist (if such a thing were possible), you would find nothing to criticise in the views of those you are opposing.
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
478
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:01:00 -
[1580] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Didn't know Mittani is a roleplayer now you know |
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Svenne007
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:02:00 -
[1581] - Quote
Just strange that before it hit all the new site, the only answer he could give "Deal with it". But then after a few days it started to hit other game-sites and way more public ones, he actually started to do some damage-control.
With as answer to that "I had no decent way to react". But he did have a way to down talk and mock people stating their opinion of his miss-step. So he did have the means to react to a lot of post, but no way to apologize straight away ....
And to then use the excuse of "I was drunk" is even more lame. We all are responsible for our own actions whatever the state we helped our selfs into.
He wanted a CSM seat where he would be scrutinized, and if you then go make statements that could affect people and their life outside the game. Don't be surprised people will have an opinion of it and it might become a bigger storm than one expected.
We all make mistakes, but it's how we deal with and solve them that shows the person you are! |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:03:00 -
[1582] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:I wish I had voted for Mintchip. You know? LOL.
Mintchip stood for CSM? I should pay more attention to the elections. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:04:00 -
[1583] - Quote
Svenne007 wrote:Just strange that before it hit all the new site, the only answer he could give "Deal with it". But then after a few days it started to hit other game-sites and way more public ones, he actually started to do some damage-control.
With as answer to that "I had no decent way to react". But he did have a way to down talk and mock people stating their opinion of his miss-step. So he did have the means to react to a lot of post, but no way to apologize straight away ....
And to then use the excuse of "I was drunk" is even more lame. We all are responsible for our own actions whatever the state we helped our selfs into.
He wanted a CSM seat where he would be scrutinized, and if you then go make statements that could affect people and their life outside the game. Don't be surprised people will have an opinion of it and it might become a bigger storm than one expected.
We all make mistakes, but it's how we deal with and solve them that shows the person you are!
President Obama had a slip during a private moment talking to Medvedev, the Russian Prime Minister. So should President Obama lose his job right now because of it? No, that's absurd.
The same can be said, not literally of course the situations are different, of Mittani. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:06:00 -
[1584] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word.
You are confusing two completely different issues. 1) concern for the particular individual in this case, and 2) concern about a general type of behaviour. I am far more interested in 2) as the propagation of this type of behaviour ensures the repetition of similar events in the future. I reject absolutely your claim that the best way to deal with such things is to simply ignore them because that just means more of the same for more people further down the line. Your faux concern about 1) is even more nauseating than your attempt to use that concern as a method of deflecting from the issues surrounding 2).
Thank God you aren't in charge of any correctional systems in this modern world. You apparently would crucify a person to punish the act or the "type of behavior" the act is based on. That sort of punitive punishment doesn't work the way you think it does. Hope that helps.
Also, you're sticking up the straw men pretty quickly too. At no point did I ever say the issue should be "ignored" or anything of the sort. Remind me which part of the "issue" that only white knights seem excited about (since, again, the so-called "victim" here simply doesn't give a single ****) needed media coverage? Clearly the only way for Mittens to suffer enough for his choice of panel material was for him to be dragged through the media circus right? Not even as a player in a game, but by name. If you're really concerned about the IRL existence of players, certainly you could consider the impacts that the unneeded media exposure would have on him as a person right?
What, then, comes out of this all? Mittens gets harmed IRL through character assassination as a person, and the so-called "victim" continues on without even giving the whole event a second thought. Meanwhile a whole army of white knights come out of the woodwork to take potshots at Mittens in defense of a person who, again, simply doesn't give a ****. And in doing so they bring bad press to the game.
So no, it is not the acts committed by Mittens which are bringing bad press to the game. It is the choice of those people who decided that this was a huge deal that needed to be reported to the gaming blogs, who chose to bring bad press onto the game. I still find it shocking that you people are so bloodthirsty that even IRL character defamation isn't enough to sate you. Clearly he must be destroyed IRL and in game for his horrible acts agianst...somebody you had never heard of and probably will never meet and who simply doesn't care enough. |
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:06:00 -
[1585] - Quote
I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 10:08:00 -
[1586] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word.
You are confusing two completely different issues. 1) concern for the particular individual in this case, and 2) concern about a general type of behaviour. I am far more interested in 2) as the propagation of this type of behaviour ensures the repetition of similar events in the future. I reject absolutely your claim that the best way to deal with such things is to simply ignore them because that just means more of the same for more people further down the line. Your faux concern about 1) is even more nauseating than your attempt to use that concern as a method of deflecting from the issues surrounding 2). And your definition of 'a total non-event' and 'a mole-hill' appears to be one that is not widely shared. It is getting press not because no-one gives a **** but precisely because it is of concern to considerable numbers of people. That it is not an issue for you just puts you in lock-step with the attitude that caused the issue in the first place. It was because the Mittani also thought it was not a big deal that he felt able to say what he did. Social mores, unfortunately for you, currently seem to have a wholly different opinion of the situation.
So, minor internet spaceships personality makes ******** comment, apologises and apparently this grovelling has been accepted by person who was apparently close to death but turns out wasn't and couldn't give a s**t and is now 10bil richer in internet space koin terms.
But wait, this could have been a total disaster in a parallel dimension and although I was in no way involved I feel I must stand up for SPACE EHONOUREE. THEREFORE, I DEMAND CSM CHAIR BE SENT TO THE CHAIR (ELECTRIC) RIGHT NOW GODDAMMIT! |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:08:00 -
[1587] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word.
You are confusing two completely different issues. 1) concern for the particular individual in this case, and 2) concern about a general type of behaviour. I am far more interested in 2) as the propagation of this type of behaviour ensures the repetition of similar events in the future. I reject absolutely your claim that the best way to deal with such things is to simply ignore them because that just means more of the same for more people further down the line. Your faux concern about 1) is even more nauseating than your attempt to use that concern as a method of deflecting from the issues surrounding 2). Thank God you aren't in charge of any correctional systems in this modern world. You apparently would crucify a person to punish the act or the "type of behavior" the act is based on. That sort of punitive punishment doesn't work the way you think it does. Hope that helps. Also, you're sticking up the straw men pretty quickly too. At no point did I ever say the issue should be "ignored" or anything of the sort. Remind me which part of the "issue" that only white knights seem excited about (since, again, the so-called "victim" here simply doesn't give a single ****) needed media coverage? Clearly the only way for Mittens to suffer enough for his choice of panel material was for him to be dragged through the media circus right? Not even as a player in a game, but by name. If you're really concerned about the IRL existence of players, certainly you could consider the impacts that the unneeded media exposure would have on him as a person right? What, then, comes out of this all? Mittens gets harmed IRL through character assassination as a person, and the so-called "victim" continues on without even giving the whole event a second thought. Meanwhile a whole army of white knights come out of the woodwork to take potshots at Mittens in defense of a person who, again, simply doesn't give a ****. And in doing so they bring bad press to the game. So no, it is not the acts committed by Mittens which are bringing bad press to the game. It is the choice of those people who decided that this was a huge deal that needed to be reported to the gaming blogs, who chose to bring bad press onto the game. I still find it shocking that you people are so bloodthirsty that even IRL character defamation isn't enough to sate you. Clearly he must be destroyed IRL and in game for his horrible acts agianst...somebody you had never heard of and probably will never meet and who simply doesn't care enough. Alexander Gianturco was speaking, not The Mittani. Let's be clear. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
dangphat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 10:08:00 -
[1588] - Quote
Svenne007 wrote:We all make mistakes, but it's how we deal with and solve them that shows the person you are! The Mittani has shown he is a loving person, he has done this by showing his humility in his apology and his emotional intelligence in not throwing away the views of those 10000 people who voted him into power.
"What is needed is a realization that power without love is reckless and abusive, and love without power is sentimental and anemic. Power at its best is love implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best is power correcting everything that stands against love.GÇ¥
Give The Mittani the power to love. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 10:09:00 -
[1589] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
You might be shocked, but your morals are not the morals of those around you and (shock incoming) they aren't superior to those of others simply because they're yours.
Actually, I don't believe in morals
See, now you're not even trying to be consistent. |
Hactar 42
Valhollr Guilty As Charged.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:11:00 -
[1590] - Quote
I find it hard to bear, that there is the CSM, which obviously has some real power and which is led by a goon - not because most of the eve-players want him to, but because the biggest alliance (full of idiots and having grown big with the mass-instead-of-class-method) told their members to vote for him. |
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
288
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:11:00 -
[1591] - Quote
Mecinia Lua wrote:I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game.
You didn't see the event but you want him to resign? That is the nature of the mob. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:11:00 -
[1592] - Quote
Also M I hope I'm wrong in my suspision you post under the name 'Lady Harlot' as your forum alt
As while I can't find out
If this comes to the attention of any legal body anywhere your anonymity will not be protected
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
142
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 10:11:00 -
[1593] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
So you fully support making mountains out of molehills and then blaming the PR backlash on the person responsible for the original molehill. Good work on that, but you need to use more nails to properly crucify somebody. Face it, if you were really concerned about the so-called victim in this case, taking the event to the gaming blogs is hardly the most efficient way to help them out or rush to their aid. Somebody wants to pull the full character assassination gamut so they took it to the press. Taking such accusations to the press produced a lot of negative press that they can now use as ammo to pin more guilt on Mittens. Clearly is a gift that keeps on giving. Now all they need to do is keep blowing this total non-event up to even greater levels and they're sure to reach whatever goal they had (apparently its to get him off the CSM, if this thread is to be taken on its word.
You are confusing two completely different issues. 1) concern for the particular individual in this case, and 2) concern about a general type of behaviour. I am far more interested in 2) as the propagation of this type of behaviour ensures the repetition of similar events in the future. I reject absolutely your claim that the best way to deal with such things is to simply ignore them because that just means more of the same for more people further down the line. Your faux concern about 1) is even more nauseating than your attempt to use that concern as a method of deflecting from the issues surrounding 2). Thank God you aren't in charge of any correctional systems in this modern world. You apparently would crucify a person to punish the act or the "type of behavior" the act is based on. That sort of punitive punishment doesn't work the way you think it does. Hope that helps. Also, you're sticking up the straw men pretty quickly too. At no point did I ever say the issue should be "ignored" or anything of the sort. Remind me which part of the "issue" that only white knights seem excited about (since, again, the so-called "victim" here simply doesn't give a single ****) needed media coverage? Clearly the only way for Mittens to suffer enough for his choice of panel material was for him to be dragged through the media circus right? Not even as a player in a game, but by name. If you're really concerned about the IRL existence of players, certainly you could consider the impacts that the unneeded media exposure would have on him as a person right? What, then, comes out of this all? Mittens gets harmed IRL through character assassination as a person, and the so-called "victim" continues on without even giving the whole event a second thought. Meanwhile a whole army of white knights come out of the woodwork to take potshots at Mittens in defense of a person who, again, simply doesn't give a ****. And in doing so they bring bad press to the game. So no, it is not the acts committed by Mittens which are bringing bad press to the game. It is the choice of those people who decided that this was a huge deal that needed to be reported to the gaming blogs, who chose to bring bad press onto the game. I still find it shocking that you people are so bloodthirsty that even IRL character defamation isn't enough to sate you. Clearly he must be destroyed IRL and in game for his horrible acts agianst...somebody you had never heard of and probably will never meet and who simply doesn't care enough. Alexander Gianturco was speaking, not The Mittani. Let's be clear. Spectacular. I'm sure you'll note for me where this changes any of the content of the above post in any way other than the cosmetic of replacing "Mittani" and "Mittens" with "Alex" |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:12:00 -
[1594] - Quote
Mecinia Lua wrote:I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game.
They won't remove him because CCP, to my knowledge, has no real power to do so because he was fairly elected. This situation at the panel has absolutely no bearing on the CSM what-so-ever. Those that are making it an issue are those that were butt hurt that Mittens has so much support, and the fact that he won and they are jealous about it.
CCP should merely chat ban him or some other sort of short period administrative type ban at the extreme. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:14:00 -
[1595] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game. They won't remove him because CCP, to my knowledge, has no real power to do so because he was fairly elected. This situation at the panel has absolutely no bearing on the CSM what-so-ever. Those that are making it an issue are those that were butt hurt that Mittens has so much support, and the fact that he won and they are jealous about it. CCP should merely chat ban him or some other sort of short period administrative type ban at the extreme.
No he should be permanently banned and I will do everything in my power to see thi happens as CCP have chosen to be complicite in this harrsement and life threatening behaviour Sorry
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
288
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:14:00 -
[1596] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Also M I hope I'm wrong in my suspision you post under the name 'Lady Harlot' as your forum alt
As while I can't find out
If this comes to the attention of any legal body anywhere your anonymity will not be protected You smell blood don't you? And you like it. Why don't you go and blow up a few spaceships instead to get the steam off instead of badposting on the forums. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
480
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:14:00 -
[1597] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
You might be shocked, but your morals are not the morals of those around you and (shock incoming) they aren't superior to those of others simply because they're yours.
Actually, I don't believe in morals See, now you're not even trying to be consistent. as far as I remember kara only spoke about mores so far which is a fairly objective concept. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
589
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:15:00 -
[1598] - Quote
Svenne007 wrote:Just strange that before it hit all the new site, the only answer he could give "Deal with it". But then after a few days it started to hit other game-sites and way more public ones, he actually started to do some damage-control.
With as answer to that "I had no decent way to react". But he did have a way to down talk and mock people stating their opinion of his miss-step. So he did have the means to react to a lot of post, but no way to apologize straight away ....
And to then use the excuse of "I was drunk" is even more lame. We all are responsible for our own actions whatever the state we helped our selfs into.
He wanted a CSM seat where he would be scrutinized, and if you then go make statements that could affect people and their life outside the game. Don't be surprised people will have an opinion of it and it might become a bigger storm than one expected.
We all make mistakes, but it's how we deal with and solve them that shows the person you are! The 'deal with it' was in response to people who were complaining about him being drunk and foul mouthed on stage, which is all people were complaining about at first(took a few days for most people to realize what he said in his later comment hat named our oblivious little friend).
When he finally REALIZED what he said, he came out with the apology.
This is why I never allow cameras of any sort near me when I am getting intoxicated... One too many embarrassing pics have turned up(thank god that was all before the internet was a thing). Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:15:00 -
[1599] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
You might be shocked, but your morals are not the morals of those around you and (shock incoming) they aren't superior to those of others simply because they're yours.
Actually, I don't believe in morals See, now you're not even trying to be consistent.
Being really tedious and boring on the forums does not mean that you are the same in real life I trust? |
Norian Lonark
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:15:00 -
[1600] - Quote
To me this seems to have been blown out of all proportions. I do wonder how many people posting have actually took the time to watch the incident.
This now seems to be a witch hunt for mittens and I do wonder how many people posting actually care about the character he "bullied" or are just taking an opportunity to get him out of the game.
The most sensible post I have read is from someone who has actually experienced depression and having been close to someone who suffered from clinical depression I totally agree:
Quote:Valerius Anthar wrote: I'd like to chime in on this.
I suffer from clinical depression. It varies in severity based on circumstances and the given day, and will pretty much be with me for the rest of my days. I don't keep it under control by bitching and whining about it online, I do it through a mixture of happy pills, exercise, willpower, a good diet, work and routine. I have to agree with Simi that the casual use of suicide as an attention seeker or threat, especially online, only reinforces the stigma about depression not being a disease but a character "defect". People who do this trivialize what isn't trivial, and he/she deserves the abuse they received.
Ultimately, when I was at my zenith, only I could pull myself out. Only I can beat back what Churchill called "the black dog." I will graciously accept the help of family and friends but in the end it's my responsibility to manage my depression and keep buggering on. What I will not do is attempt to guilt trip others, especially strangers, into feeling sorry for me. That is simply pathetic.
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Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:16:00 -
[1601] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game. They won't remove him because CCP, to my knowledge, has no real power to do so because he was fairly elected. This situation at the panel has absolutely no bearing on the CSM what-so-ever. Those that are making it an issue are those that were butt hurt that Mittens has so much support, and the fact that he won and they are jealous about it. CCP should merely chat ban him or some other sort of short period administrative type ban at the extreme. No he should be permanently banned and I will do everything in my power to see thi happens as CCP have chosen to be complicite in this harrsement and life threatening behaviour Sorry
Permanently banned. Really? Ok, so lets say I heard you make a racial joke while drunk, then told your boss about it and your boss fired you and made sure you would never be able to get a job for the rest of your life, you would be ok with that?
You are simply stupid. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:17:00 -
[1602] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game. They won't remove him because CCP, to my knowledge, has no real power to do so because he was fairly elected. This situation at the panel has absolutely no bearing on the CSM what-so-ever. Those that are making it an issue are those that were butt hurt that Mittens has so much support, and the fact that he won and they are jealous about it. CCP should merely chat ban him or some other sort of short period administrative type ban at the extreme. No he should be permanently banned and I will do everything in my power to see thi happens as CCP have chosen to be complicite in this harrsement and life threatening behaviour Sorry Permanently banned. Really? Ok, so lets say I heard you make a racial joke while drunk, then told your boss about it and your boss fired you and made sure you would never be able to get a job for the rest of your life, you would be ok with that? You are simply stupid.
If the racial joke was 'Someone shoot this dumb n*****' and someone did .....
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:18:00 -
[1603] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game. They won't remove him because CCP, to my knowledge, has no real power to do so because he was fairly elected. This situation at the panel has absolutely no bearing on the CSM what-so-ever. Those that are making it an issue are those that were butt hurt that Mittens has so much support, and the fact that he won and they are jealous about it. CCP should merely chat ban him or some other sort of short period administrative type ban at the extreme. That would be a terrible precedent, it would mean that for real life threats of murder, death, beatings ect.. you get an administrative ban. Thats a tad on the weak side isn't it? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:18:00 -
[1604] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:No he should be permanently banned and I will do everything in my power to see thi happens as CCP have chosen to be complicite in this harrsement and life threatening behaviour Sorry
1/10, must try harder |
Samantha Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
56
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:19:00 -
[1605] - Quote
Damn, didn't know there was this much titan pilots in eve.
Seriously tho, this 'scandal' doesn't warrant anything more than a sincere apology. Considering that the alleged victim wasn't even aware of being 'bullied' until it got media coverage and someone had to actually link him to the sites.
If anything, the press is more to blame for taking something that was in fact meant as a joke (however inappropriate it may have been) and turning it into something more.
You all know that guy in high school, when someone swears at you, he goes 'Oooo son, you gonna let him say that 'bout your mama!?'
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Prince Kobol
348
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:19:00 -
[1606] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game. They won't remove him because CCP, to my knowledge, has no real power to do so because he was fairly elected. This situation at the panel has absolutely no bearing on the CSM what-so-ever. Those that are making it an issue are those that were butt hurt that Mittens has so much support, and the fact that he won and they are jealous about it. CCP should merely chat ban him or some other sort of short period administrative type ban at the extreme. No he should be permanently banned and I will do everything in my power to see thi happens as CCP have chosen to be complicite in this harrsement and life threatening behaviour Sorry Permanently banned. Really? Ok, so lets say I heard you make a racial joke while drunk, then told your boss about it and your boss fired you and made sure you would never be able to get a job for the rest of your life, you would be ok with that? You are simply stupid.
Lets ask Mel Gibson, I believe he is somewhat of an expert of making racial jokes whilst being drunk |
Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express Intrepid Crossing
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:19:00 -
[1607] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game. You didn't see the event but you want him to resign? That is the nature of the mob.
Sometimes the few or even the one must be sacrificed to serve a greater good. I didn't watch the alliance roundtable because in the beginning many of them were clearly drunk thus I do believe it was the alcohol talking. I didn't think anything good would come of listening to a bunch of drunks is why I didn't listen to it, I have though seen the snippet in question since. If CCP doesn't remove him from the CSM they'll be crucified by the overly liberal media. EVE could become the Dungeons & Dragons of the 21st century, where D&D was largely preached against etc in the later part of the 20th century, because of a few. That damage could undo the good they've done since Crucible. |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:19:00 -
[1608] - Quote
Svenne007 wrote:Just strange that before it hit all the new site, the only answer he could give "Deal with it". But then after a few days it started to hit other game-sites and way more public ones, he actually started to do some damage-control.
With as answer to that "I had no decent way to react". But he did have a way to down talk and mock people stating their opinion of his miss-step. So he did have the means to react to a lot of post, but no way to apologize straight away ....
And to then use the excuse of "I was drunk" is even more lame. We all are responsible for our own actions whatever the state we helped our selfs into.
He wanted a CSM seat where he would be scrutinized, and if you then go make statements that could affect people and their life outside the game. Don't be surprised people will have an opinion of it and it might become a bigger storm than one expected.
We all make mistakes, but it's how we deal with and solve them that shows the person you are!
I'm not sure where The Mitanni is using "I was drunk" to excuse his actually saying what he said in this OP. Perhaps you should reread it before posting again?
Not remembering what he said because he was drunk is not an excuse for his behavior, it's an explanation for why he didn't apologize earlier as he did not actually see or remember the words he said at the panel until he saw an article.
Edit: Oh wait, he specifically says it's not an excuse!
The Mittani wrote:
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
So yeah, stop putting words in people's mouths or stop posting, k? |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:20:00 -
[1609] - Quote
Did he potentially get someone killed .....
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:20:00 -
[1610] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game. They won't remove him because CCP, to my knowledge, has no real power to do so because he was fairly elected. This situation at the panel has absolutely no bearing on the CSM what-so-ever. Those that are making it an issue are those that were butt hurt that Mittens has so much support, and the fact that he won and they are jealous about it. CCP should merely chat ban him or some other sort of short period administrative type ban at the extreme. That would be a terrible precedent, it would mean that for real life threats of murder, death, beatings ect.. you get an administrative ban. Thats a tad on the weak side isn't it?
It would have to be taken in the context it was given, plus the input of the aggrieved person. In this, the dude didn't care, at all. I wanted to say that it would be an extreme to get any sort of ban but I'm tired and it came out wrong. |
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Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:21:00 -
[1611] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Did he potentially get someone killed .....
No, so stop posting stupid things. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:22:00 -
[1612] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Did he potentially get someone killed ..... No, so stop posting stupid things.
The feeling is mutual
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:22:00 -
[1613] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game. They won't remove him because CCP, to my knowledge, has no real power to do so because he was fairly elected. This situation at the panel has absolutely no bearing on the CSM what-so-ever. Those that are making it an issue are those that were butt hurt that Mittens has so much support, and the fact that he won and they are jealous about it. CCP should merely chat ban him or some other sort of short period administrative type ban at the extreme. No he should be permanently banned and I will do everything in my power to see thi happens as CCP have chosen to be complicite in this harrsement and life threatening behaviour Sorry Permanently banned. Really? Ok, so lets say I heard you make a racial joke while drunk, then told your boss about it and your boss fired you and made sure you would never be able to get a job for the rest of your life, you would be ok with that? You are simply stupid. Lets ask Mel Gibson, I believe he is somewhat of an expert of making racial jokes whilst being drunk
Thats actually a good idea, but he was arrested for drinking and driving, not for making the racial slur at the arresting officer.
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Lolmer
Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:22:00 -
[1614] - Quote
Revolution Rising wrote:Actaully, I'd really like to know the formula he came up with for the 11b isk.
What made you give him 11b? Why not 12b? or 10b?
10 is a nice round number.
You don't read, do you? It was 10.7b. Please read before spreading more falsehoods to make your (false) point.
James Amril-Kesh wrote:There has been speculation that The Wis is actually an alt of The Mittani. Why he would do this, who knows, but I suppose he'd have to have some genius master plan in order to make any good come out of this clusterfuck.
The Wis himself has been posting in Jita local a repeated message stating that The Mittani has personally apologized to him and gave him 10.7 billion ISK.
Along with other posts and quotes stating the same value until people got lazy and started rounding. You are familiar with rounding numbers, right? |
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:23:00 -
[1615] - Quote
The funny thing is, nothing will happen to him. He tries to get some guy to commit suicide, blames it on the bear, writes a small smoothly written apology, and gets 500 sheeple responses of "OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS OK IF THAT GUY DIES!".
/shrug
How CCP reacts to this shows whether they condone this level of behavior or not. If they do, at least we'll know what folks can get away with in EVE. Pushing for RL violence and death will become an acceptable tactic for dealing with your enemy. Protect highsec.-áWe are the 66%.
https://p.twimg.com/Ajc6KNBCQAAT9my.png (Source: https://twitter.com/ccp_diagoras ) |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
590
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:23:00 -
[1616] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:If the racial joke was 'Someone shoot this dumb n*****' and someone did ..... But no one did. The first time any tried to contact the kid in question, he was surprised to be interrupted with it as he was calmly mining away, and hadn't heard a thing about it. No one contacted him, or griefed him, or anything as a direct result of that comment, but rather as a result of people getting butthurt over the comment.
And if you read the chatlogs of the convo with him, he thought it was funny himself. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
baltec1
890
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:24:00 -
[1617] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Did he potentially get someone killed .....
No. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:25:00 -
[1618] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:The funny thing is, nothing will happen to him. He tries to get some guy to commit suicide, blames it on the bear, writes a small smoothly written apology, and gets 500 sheeple responses of "OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS OK IF THAT GUY DIES!".
/shrug
How CCP reacts to this shows whether they condone this level of behavior or not. If they do, at least we'll know what folks can get away with in EVE. Pushing for RL violence and death will become an acceptable tactic for dealing with your enemy.
Sony'll love that when DUST hits won't they..
CCP might not give a toss for there public image...... others may not be so high on blow and hookers
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
El'Niaga
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
45
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:25:00 -
[1619] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Svenne007 wrote:Just strange that before it hit all the new site, the only answer he could give "Deal with it". But then after a few days it started to hit other game-sites and way more public ones, he actually started to do some damage-control.
With as answer to that "I had no decent way to react". But he did have a way to down talk and mock people stating their opinion of his miss-step. So he did have the means to react to a lot of post, but no way to apologize straight away ....
And to then use the excuse of "I was drunk" is even more lame. We all are responsible for our own actions whatever the state we helped our selfs into.
He wanted a CSM seat where he would be scrutinized, and if you then go make statements that could affect people and their life outside the game. Don't be surprised people will have an opinion of it and it might become a bigger storm than one expected.
We all make mistakes, but it's how we deal with and solve them that shows the person you are! President Obama had a slip during a private moment talking to Medvedev, the Russian Prime Minister. So should President Obama lose his job right now because of it? No, that's absurd. The same can be said, not literally of course the situations are different, of Mittani.
Good grief, that's the least thing the man has done. If he'd been white instead of black he'd been impeached over a year ago for flagrant violations of his Oath of Office. But because he's the first black president (well he's actually only half black but...) the Congress doesn't have the will to hold him accountable for anything.
Don't think we suppose to talk politics here though so I'll end it at that in response to yours.
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Singeabooty Raj
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
271
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:26:00 -
[1620] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:I wish I had voted for Mintchip. You know? LOL. On another negative note this fiasco will no doubt mean she will make another eve related video to ***** more views to her youtube page. Black Man with Goggles |
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ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:27:00 -
[1621] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:The funny thing is, nothing will happen to him. He tries to get some guy to commit suicide, blames it on the bear, writes a small smoothly written apology, and gets 500 sheeple responses of "OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS OK IF THAT GUY DIES!".
/shrug
How CCP reacts to this shows whether they condone this level of behavior or not. If they do, at least we'll know what folks can get away with in EVE. Pushing for RL violence and death will become an acceptable tactic for dealing with your enemy. Sony'll love that when DUST hits won't they.. CCP might not give a toss for there public image...... others may not be so high on blow and hookers
Wonder if anyone bothered to let Sony know? lol How CCP reacts to the Mittani comments at fanfest will show whether they condone this behavior or not. If they do nothing, then obviously pushing for real world violence and death is an acceptable gameplay tactic to them and will open a whole new venue of strategy for us, the gamers. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:27:00 -
[1622] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:The funny thing is, nothing will happen to him. He tries to get some guy to commit suicide, blames it on the bear, writes a small smoothly written apology, and gets 500 sheeple responses of "OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS OK IF THAT GUY DIES!".
/shrug
How CCP reacts to this shows whether they condone this level of behavior or not. If they do, at least we'll know what folks can get away with in EVE. Pushing for RL violence and death will become an acceptable tactic for dealing with your enemy. Sony'll love that when DUST hits won't they.. CCP might not give a toss for there public image...... others may not be so high on blow and hookers
Are you drunk and or high right now? Your posts are clearly being made in an inebriated way, and clearly you should be removed from your corp and alliance, perma banned, and should be fired from your job, and put in prison because of this. |
juadge
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:28:00 -
[1623] - Quote
I like how the internet hate machine is using this out of context remark to go into overdrive to hate on some one. White knighting so they can go on a jihad. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:28:00 -
[1624] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:The funny thing is, nothing will happen to him. He tries to get some guy to commit suicide, blames it on the bear, writes a small smoothly written apology, and gets 500 sheeple responses of "OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS OK IF THAT GUY DIES!".
/shrug
How CCP reacts to this shows whether they condone this level of behavior or not. If they do, at least we'll know what folks can get away with in EVE. Pushing for RL violence and death will become an acceptable tactic for dealing with your enemy. Sony'll love that when DUST hits won't they.. CCP might not give a toss for there public image...... others may not be so high on blow and hookers Are you drunk and or high right now? Your posts are clearly being made in an inebriated way, and clearly you should be removed from your corp and alliance, perma banned, and should be fired from your job, and put in prison because of this.
If I'm endangering life by these expresions of my opinion , I would totally agree
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Zombatar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:28:00 -
[1625] - Quote
Did he resign yet?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-27-eve-online-council-chairman-announces-intent-to-resign-apologises-to-the-community |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1097
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:28:00 -
[1626] - Quote
Well written, Alex.
You're still a terrible person, and an excellent candidate for Chairman for Life. You should be chained to that Chair position as punishment for being such a wanker. No, I didn't vote for you so feel free to ignore everything I say. The Mittani is the type of sadistic megalomaniac that every fiction universe needs as a common enemy to fight against, or the common great leader to ally under. I appreciate The Mittani as the villain of the piece, and I appreciate Alexander Gianturco a committed participant in our game.
Sure, Alex is a smug douchebag who I wouldn't afford a chair at my table if he was dying of starvation, and what he said at Fanfest was particularly stupid. But being so obnoxious in public lends more credence to the public perception of The Mittani as "Dr. Evil" and the Goons as Public Enemy #1. So really, being such a twit means that Alex is really doing the very best he can to give life to our virtual world.
In the context of the Goon internal communications channels, the joke the Alex made would have simply been one of any number of poor attempts at black humour which would be chuckled over until the next beer, and then forgotten. Attempting to share some of the Goon sentiment with the rest of the world via the Alliance Panel was probably a bad move, and I'd advise Alex to get a more straight-laced and sober person to review the presentation notes before heading into the Alliance panel.
So the community has had their chance to rage. This has really spoilt my enjoyment of a great Fanfest production, and I'd really like to get back to telling CCP how wonderful they are and basking in the glory of the upcoming patch, Dust 514, Direct X 11 tessellation, and ring mining. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:28:00 -
[1627] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:baltec1 wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Did he potentially get someone killed ..... No. Wrong .. Have you ever actually ever managed an accurate post eva. Baltec
You clearly are posting drunk and or high because you are not making any sort of sense with any of your posts. Read my last post as to what should happen to you. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:28:00 -
[1628] - Quote
Acwron wrote:Thecla Elarik wrote:Alexander Gianturco has my full confidence and support to continue as chairman of CSM7. I think I just puked a little... mittani 'the king of space'...I think I puked again...
Didnt you know he "IS" the king of internet spaceship pixels Didn't think your pubbie ass would have known this. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
591
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:28:00 -
[1629] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:The funny thing is, nothing will happen to him. He tries to get some guy to commit suicide, blames it on the bear, writes a small smoothly written apology, and gets 500 sheeple responses of "OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS OK IF THAT GUY DIES!".
/shrug
How CCP reacts to this shows whether they condone this level of behavior or not. If they do, at least we'll know what folks can get away with in EVE. Pushing for RL violence and death will become an acceptable tactic for dealing with your enemy. Sony'll love that when DUST hits won't they.. CCP might not give a toss for there public image...... others may not be so high on blow and hookers Wonder if anyone bothered to let Sony know? lol Nah, they are too busy getting high on blow and hookers.
You gotta grind them hookers up real good before you can shoot them up, ya know? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
baltec1
890
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:29:00 -
[1630] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:The funny thing is, nothing will happen to him. He tries to get some guy to commit suicide, blames it on the bear, writes a small smoothly written apology, and gets 500 sheeple responses of "OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS OK IF THAT GUY DIES!".
/shrug
How CCP reacts to this shows whether they condone this level of behavior or not. If they do, at least we'll know what folks can get away with in EVE. Pushing for RL violence and death will become an acceptable tactic for dealing with your enemy.
Christ whats wrong with you people?
He made a bad joke that has been said a thousand times everywhere in game, on these forums and on outside forums. This is exactly the same thing as what happened to Clarkson from top gear when he made a joke about strikers needing to be shot. |
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Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:29:00 -
[1631] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:The funny thing is, nothing will happen to him. He tries to get some guy to commit suicide, blames it on the bear, writes a small smoothly written apology, and gets 500 sheeple responses of "OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS OK IF THAT GUY DIES!".
/shrug
How CCP reacts to this shows whether they condone this level of behavior or not. If they do, at least we'll know what folks can get away with in EVE. Pushing for RL violence and death will become an acceptable tactic for dealing with your enemy. Sony'll love that when DUST hits won't they.. CCP might not give a toss for there public image...... others may not be so high on blow and hookers Are you drunk and or high right now? Your posts are clearly being made in an inebriated way, and clearly you should be removed from your corp and alliance, perma banned, and should be fired from your job, and put in prison because of this. If I'm endangering life by these expresions of my opinion , I would totally agree
My life is in jeopardy because of your posting, therefore you should be in jail right now.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:29:00 -
[1632] - Quote
Do not step down.
Although I did not vote for you...and probably never would...
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ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:30:00 -
[1633] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:The funny thing is, nothing will happen to him. He tries to get some guy to commit suicide, blames it on the bear, writes a small smoothly written apology, and gets 500 sheeple responses of "OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS OK IF THAT GUY DIES!".
/shrug
How CCP reacts to this shows whether they condone this level of behavior or not. If they do, at least we'll know what folks can get away with in EVE. Pushing for RL violence and death will become an acceptable tactic for dealing with your enemy. Sony'll love that when DUST hits won't they.. CCP might not give a toss for there public image...... others may not be so high on blow and hookers Are you drunk and or high right now? Your posts are clearly being made in an inebriated way, and clearly you should be removed from your corp and alliance, perma banned, and should be fired from your job, and put in prison because of this.
Because comments related to a video game are obviously on the same level as trying to convince a man to kill himself in real life.
Jesus you people are detached from reality. Get off the game and go outside once in a while, realize that there are real life human beings and its not all the pixel LARPing and internet spaceships you have become used to. Your "chairman" is just another drunken nerd with serious issues who apparently likes the idea of people killing themselves for his own satisfaction. Dude must have been picked on WAY too much as a kid, man. How CCP reacts to the Mittani comments at fanfest will show whether they condone this behavior or not. If they do nothing, then obviously pushing for real world violence and death is an acceptable gameplay tactic to them and will open a whole new venue of strategy for us, the gamers. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:31:00 -
[1634] - Quote
Sweet can I have the same cell as the Furher
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Levo Harkonnen
EC Riders Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:31:00 -
[1635] - Quote
Oh you. ( -¦pâ+GÇ+-) ~ GÖÑ |
Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:31:00 -
[1636] - Quote
Mecinia Lua wrote:Sometimes the few or even the one must be sacrificed to serve a greater good. I didn't watch the alliance roundtable because in the beginning many of them were clearly drunk thus I do believe it was the alcohol talking. I didn't think anything good would come of listening to a bunch of drunks is why I didn't listen to it, I have though seen the snippet in question since. If CCP doesn't remove him from the CSM they'll be crucified by the overly liberal media. EVE could become the Dungeons & Dragons of the 21st century, where D&D was largely preached against etc in the later part of the 20th century, because of a few. That damage could undo the good they've done since Crucible. What is the 'greater good' you speak about? Griefing happens everyday in EVE, in different levels. It is because CCP has taken different approach than other MMO's: they have allowed it in their game, while in some other games you would be banned right away when calling someone 'stupid'. I'm 100% sure that many of these posters who come here to cry about The Mittani and his actions have actually done similar things themselves. That is hypocrisy, my friend.
The Mittani has done well in CSM and was re-elected with massive amount of votes. Serving the 'greater good' in this case would mean him continuing in his position. Everyone does mistakes, everyone slips at some point, but one certainly shouldn't be crucified for that. Especially if he can make many other things better for a big bunch of people. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:32:00 -
[1637] - Quote
baltec1 wrote: Christ whats wrong with you people?
He made a bad joke that has been said a thousand times everywhere in game, on these forums and on outside forums. This is exactly the same thing as what happened to Clarkson from top gear when he made a joke about strikers needing to be shot.
The Mittani prescribed SPECIFIC actions to provoke a SPECIFIC player to kill himself. Anyway, I don't know why people continue to defend him. The guy admitted his mistake and it is now in CCP's court. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:33:00 -
[1638] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:The funny thing is, nothing will happen to him. He tries to get some guy to commit suicide, blames it on the bear, writes a small smoothly written apology, and gets 500 sheeple responses of "OH I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS OK IF THAT GUY DIES!".
/shrug
How CCP reacts to this shows whether they condone this level of behavior or not. If they do, at least we'll know what folks can get away with in EVE. Pushing for RL violence and death will become an acceptable tactic for dealing with your enemy. Sony'll love that when DUST hits won't they.. CCP might not give a toss for there public image...... others may not be so high on blow and hookers Are you drunk and or high right now? Your posts are clearly being made in an inebriated way, and clearly you should be removed from your corp and alliance, perma banned, and should be fired from your job, and put in prison because of this. Because comments related to a video game are obviously on the same level as trying to convince a man to kill himself in real life. Jesus you people are detached from reality. Get off the game and go outside once in a while, realize that there are real life human beings and its not all the pixel LARPing and internet spaceships you have become used to. Your "chairman" is just another drunken nerd with serious issues who apparently likes the idea of people killing themselves for his own satisfaction. Dude must have been picked on WAY too much as a kid, man.
Quoting yourself in your own sig is sort of a douche bag thing, but whatever. |
Glarealot
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:34:00 -
[1639] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:baltec1 wrote: Christ whats wrong with you people?
He made a bad joke that has been said a thousand times everywhere in game, on these forums and on outside forums. This is exactly the same thing as what happened to Clarkson from top gear when he made a joke about strikers needing to be shot.
The Mittani prescribed SPECIFIC actions to provoke a SPECIFIC player to kill himself. Anyway, I don't know why people continue to defend him. The guy admitted his mistake and it is now in CCP's court.
Blind loyalty to some nerdy guy with a deep voice that appears to have been bullied a little too much in elementary school. Makes em happy I guess... |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:34:00 -
[1640] - Quote
Mecinia Lua wrote:Lexmana wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:I think its a good apology and it was the right thing to do. I listened to some of the streams from fanfest, I kinda had turned off the alliance one where the event occurred as it was clear most folks were drunk to me thus I didn't see this play out.
Ultimately though with the bad press etc, CCP will probably have little choice but to remove him from the CSM. However in light of the apology I hope that he does not receive a permanent ban from the game. You didn't see the event but you want him to resign? That is the nature of the mob. Sometimes the few or even the one must be sacrificed to serve a greater good. I didn't watch the alliance roundtable because in the beginning many of them were clearly drunk thus I do believe it was the alcohol talking. I didn't think anything good would come of listening to a bunch of drunks is why I didn't listen to it, I have though seen the snippet in question since. If CCP doesn't remove him from the CSM they'll be crucified by the overly liberal media. EVE could become the Dungeons & Dragons of the 21st century, where D&D was largely preached against etc in the later part of the 20th century, because of a few. That damage could undo the good they've done since Crucible.
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baltec1
890
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:34:00 -
[1641] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:baltec1 wrote: Christ whats wrong with you people?
He made a bad joke that has been said a thousand times everywhere in game, on these forums and on outside forums. This is exactly the same thing as what happened to Clarkson from top gear when he made a joke about strikers needing to be shot.
The Mittani prescribed SPECIFIC actions to provoke a SPECIFIC player to kill himself. Anyway, I don't know why people continue to defend him. The guy admitted his mistake and it is now in CCP's court.
He made a bad joke. Why are you taking a bad joke said at the alliance panel of all places seriously?
I got it, everyone at fanfest understood it so why can't you? |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:34:00 -
[1642] - Quote
Elena Melkan wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:Sometimes the few or even the one must be sacrificed to serve a greater good. I didn't watch the alliance roundtable because in the beginning many of them were clearly drunk thus I do believe it was the alcohol talking. I didn't think anything good would come of listening to a bunch of drunks is why I didn't listen to it, I have though seen the snippet in question since. If CCP doesn't remove him from the CSM they'll be crucified by the overly liberal media. EVE could become the Dungeons & Dragons of the 21st century, where D&D was largely preached against etc in the later part of the 20th century, because of a few. That damage could undo the good they've done since Crucible. What is the 'greater good' you speak about? Griefing happens everyday in EVE, in different levels. It is because CCP has taken different approach than other MMO's: they have allowed it in their game, while in some other games you would be banned right away when calling someone 'stupid'. I'm 100% sure that many of these posters who come here to cry about The Mittani and his actions have actually done similar things themselves. That is hypocrisy, my friend. The Mittani has done well in CSM and was re-elected with massive amount of votes. Serving the 'greater good' in this case would mean him continuing in his position. Everyone does mistakes, everyone slips at some point, but one certainly shouldn't be crucified for that. Especially if he can make many other things better for a big bunch of people. Sorry I'm getting lost. What does how many votes he gets in an election for a game have to do with him trying to get people to harass a player into killing himself in real life? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:35:00 -
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Edit: the hell it broke my post |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Shameless Suicidal Space Barbies
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:36:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Well written, Alex.
You're still a terrible person, and an excellent candidate for Chairman for Life. You should be chained to that Chair position as punishment for being such a wanker. No, I didn't vote for you so feel free to ignore everything I say. The Mittani is the type of sadistic megalomaniac that every fiction universe needs as a common enemy to fight against, or the common great leader to ally under. I appreciate The Mittani as the villain of the piece, and I appreciate Alexander Gianturco a committed participant in our game. ...
Congratulations on most sensible post in this horrible thread.
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Obviously Confidential
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:36:00 -
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The End.
Nothing more to see, move along now and leave quietly while the end credits scroll...
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Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:baltec1 wrote: Christ whats wrong with you people?
He made a bad joke that has been said a thousand times everywhere in game, on these forums and on outside forums. This is exactly the same thing as what happened to Clarkson from top gear when he made a joke about strikers needing to be shot.
The Mittani prescribed SPECIFIC actions to provoke a SPECIFIC player to kill himself. Anyway, I don't know why people continue to defend him. The guy admitted his mistake and it is now in CCP's court. He made a bad joke. Why are you taking a bad joke said at the alliance panel of all places seriously? I got it, everyone at fanfest understood it so why can't you?
Probably because he as many others are butt hurt that he won the CSM chair again, and that he had so much support in his campaign for it. There is also a large dose of jealousy in this thread because he got where he is because of the people putting him there, and are using this to try and get him deposed. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
439
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:38:00 -
[1647] - Quote
Good grief.
The man was hammered. He has apologised profusely. Real arrogance would have been not to do so. Quite a few of you here are are doing exactly what you accuse The Mittens of doing, right here in these forums, in your own way. The Judge, Jury and Executioner.
What The Mittens said was a terrible thing. He admits that, he apologises and there's more that has happened in the background to remedy the situation between him and the victim than you will ever see in these forums.
But he cannot really apologise, can he ? If he does, he's just covering his backside. If he does, he's just trying to save his Chairmanship. There's nothing he can do or say in these forums that will please those of you seeking blood, is there ? Oh wait, you want him to resign, or to be banned. Yeah, let's destroy another life whilst the opportunity exists. Afterall, it's his own fault is it not ?
Shame on you. Those of you with those thoughts are sober, well, most of you are. The Mittens was not, that was blatantly evident. That's not an excuse, it's part of the situation leading-up to this incident.
Here you are though, beying for blood, for "justice". Shame on you. I'm sober, sound of mind and lived long enough during hard times to say this to you who are crying from the rafters :-
Judge not lest ye be Judged.
God loves you all.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Prince Kobol
350
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:38:00 -
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Elena Melkan wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:Sometimes the few or even the one must be sacrificed to serve a greater good. I didn't watch the alliance roundtable because in the beginning many of them were clearly drunk thus I do believe it was the alcohol talking. I didn't think anything good would come of listening to a bunch of drunks is why I didn't listen to it, I have though seen the snippet in question since. If CCP doesn't remove him from the CSM they'll be crucified by the overly liberal media. EVE could become the Dungeons & Dragons of the 21st century, where D&D was largely preached against etc in the later part of the 20th century, because of a few. That damage could undo the good they've done since Crucible. What is the 'greater good' you speak about? Griefing happens everyday in EVE, in different levels. It is because CCP has taken different approach than other MMO's: they have allowed it in their game, while in some other games you would be banned right away when calling someone 'stupid'. I'm 100% sure that many of these posters who come here to cry about The Mittani and his actions have actually done similar things themselves. That is hypocrisy, my friend. The Mittani has done well in CSM and was re-elected with massive amount of votes. Serving the 'greater good' in this case would mean him continuing in his position. Everyone does mistakes, everyone slips at some point, but one certainly shouldn't be crucified for that if he could make many other things better for a big bunch of people.
Whilst all very true, the problem is that his comments were made out of game at a official CCP Event.
An Official Event being transmitted live to thousands of people with CCP employees present,
I'm no expert but something tells those people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP would not appreciate the amount of negativity publicity currently on the internet, neither would CCP partners such as Sony and Nvidia, especially considering the topic in question is so prevalent in today's media and with the growing band wagon of people who are trying to blame computer games for kids running riot.
Why do you think CCP has a rule that you can not post kill mails, eve mails and chat logs for the sole purpose to mock and humiliate people?
CCP know there is a line that can not be crossed, unfortunately for Alex he did cross this line.
I do have a lot of sympathy for Alex, He does not deserves the amount of real life vilification he has received. It was a dumb misguided action made worse due to him being drunk.
I have no sympathy for CCP as I can not believe that somebody didn't think of just giving the presentation slides a quick once over just to make sure they were no crossing any lines, considering the reputation that some of the alliance members leaders have and also that they were stinking drunk as well. |
baltec1
890
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:39:00 -
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Fenris Deka wrote:
Probably because he as many others are butt hurt that he won the CSM chair again, and that he had so much support in his campaign for it. There is also a large dose of jealousy in this thread because he got where he is because of the people putting him there, and are using this to try and get him deposed.
I find myself having to agree with you. Its the only thing which makes any sense in this and quite frankly, this is far more disgusting than anything that was said at fanfest. |
Yugo Reventlov
STA'IN The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:40:00 -
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The karma part of this whole thing is that this will also have real-life repercussions on The Mittani in the future.
I imagine when he goes looking for his next job, his future employers will launch a google search on his name, and when this pops up, he'll at least have some explaining to do.
Which is why I believe this apology is sincere :) |
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tengen san
Triton-TC
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:40:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:
................. I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Too little, too late! If alcohol lifts the border of the two, itGÇÖs time to leave for your own good. What damage could be done to yourself next time you might not remember?
So who shall it be you will give up, the mittens or yourself?
Too bad, I liked some of the stuff you set up in Game but itGÇÖs your choice now.
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Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:40:00 -
[1652] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:Good grief.
The man was hammered. He has apologised profusely. Real arrogance would have been not to do so. Quite a few of you here are are doing exactly what you accuse The Mittens of doing, right here in these forums, in your own way...l.
This guy gets it. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:40:00 -
[1653] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:Good grief.
The man was hammered. He has apologised profusely. Real arrogance would have been not to do so. Quite a few of you here are are doing exactly what you accuse The Mittens of doing, right here in these forums, in your own way. The Judge, Jury and Executioner.
What The Mittens said was a terrible thing. He admits that, he apologises and there's more that has happened in the background to remedy the situation between him and the victim than you will ever see in these forums.
But he cannot really apologise, can he ? If he does, he's just covering his backside. If he does, he's just trying to save his Chairmanship. There's nothing he can do or say in these forums that will please those of you seeking blood, is there ? Oh wait, you want him to resign, or to be banned. Yeah, let's destroy another life whilst the opportunity exists. Afterall, it's his own fault is it not ?
Shame on you. Those of you with those thoughts are sober, well, most of you are. The Mittens was not, that was blatantly evident. That's not an excuse, it's part of the situation leading-up to this incident.
Here you are though, beying for blood, for "justice". Shame on you. I'm sober, sound of mind and lived long enough during hard times to say this to you who are crying from the rafters :-
Judge not lest ye be Judged.
God loves you all.
This is now the most sensible post in this entire thread, besides the OP. |
Ganagati
Perkone Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:42:00 -
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The dude is resigning. It doesn't matter what CCP does or doesn't do, he already gave his word that he was leaving his post.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-03-27-eve-online-council-chairman-announces-intent-to-resign-apologises-to-the-community
/thread Proof Titans are rare (just another null battle): http://i.imgur.com/CY6x4.jpg-áBattles in EVE can look kinda silly sometimes, huh? |
Khorian
Versatech Co. Raiden.
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:43:00 -
[1655] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:
He made a bad joke. Why are you taking a bad joke said at the alliance panel of all places seriously?
I got it, everyone at fanfest understood it so why can't you?
He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.
So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.
What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.
I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.
PS: Grow a spine |
Zombatar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:43:00 -
[1656] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:Good grief.
The man was hammered. He has apologised profusely. Real arrogance would have been not to do so. Quite a few of you here are are doing exactly what you accuse The Mittens of doing, right here in these forums, in your own way. The Judge, Jury and Executioner.
What The Mittens said was a terrible thing. He admits that, he apologises and there's more that has happened in the background to remedy the situation between him and the victim than you will ever see in these forums.
But he cannot really apologise, can he ? If he does, he's just covering his backside. If he does, he's just trying to save his Chairmanship. There's nothing he can do or say in these forums that will please those of you seeking blood, is there ? Oh wait, you want him to resign, or to be banned. Yeah, let's destroy another life whilst the opportunity exists. Afterall, it's his own fault is it not ?
Shame on you. Those of you with those thoughts are sober, well, most of you are. The Mittens was not, that was blatantly evident. That's not an excuse, it's part of the situation leading-up to this incident.
Here you are though, beying for blood, for "justice". Shame on you. I'm sober, sound of mind and lived long enough during hard times to say this to you who are crying from the rafters :-
Judge not lest ye be Judged.
God loves you all.
Any action has a consequence. At this rate The MIttani will have many problems in life. His apology is a good step forward for him to avoid that, but I suspect that will not change his behaviour. The actions of the past still have to catch up with him, so he will get more of this.
IMO his position as CSM chair is unacceptable after this event, banning him from EVE would be too much also.
He has to become responsible, accept his mistake, resign and play like a good puppy for a while. He will rise again if he is smart enough, second time, maybe even better than now, in a good way. lol |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:45:00 -
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Only if the rest of council agrees with the resignation, which they won't and will want him to stay in the position. If the resignation stands as he plans, it will be sad because the situation has no real bearing on the CSM.
No real politician would have been deposed of his Senatorial seat if he made a comment while drunk. To my knowledge, there has been none that was deposed because of this. |
Dusty Meg
Redbull Air Race Inc
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:46:00 -
[1658] - Quote
The pople out for blood took soo long to actually act on this shows they didnt care before the news that The Mitanni was actually chairman again. If possible these threads started before the news then it would simply be because of the drunken words said (And who doesnt say stupid things while drunk) they are simply after kicking him off the chair and for some stupid reason wanting him banned which are both stupid things.
For me he has appologised and that is enough for me, keep the best CSM chairman we have had so far in the chairmans seat. |
baltec1
890
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:46:00 -
[1659] - Quote
Khorian wrote:baltec1 wrote:
He made a bad joke. Why are you taking a bad joke said at the alliance panel of all places seriously?
I got it, everyone at fanfest understood it so why can't you?
He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do. So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position. What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid. I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end. PS: Grow a spine
So are you now going to wage war on Crime and punishment?
Because this kind of thing happens all the time in there. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:48:00 -
[1660] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Khorian wrote:baltec1 wrote:
He made a bad joke. Why are you taking a bad joke said at the alliance panel of all places seriously?
I got it, everyone at fanfest understood it so why can't you?
He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do. So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position. What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid. I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end. PS: Grow a spine So are you now going to wage war on Crime and punishment? Because this kind of thing happens all the time in there.
Would you like me too, this battle is over bar the shouting
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:48:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
You might be shocked, but your morals are not the morals of those around you and (shock incoming) they aren't superior to those of others simply because they're yours.
Actually, I don't believe in morals See, now you're not even trying to be consistent.
I'm sorry if you can't see how a moral nihilist position is compatible with one that invokes social relationships and their interactions as grounds for assessing behaviour. Perhaps further thought is necessary on your part as this position is the natural and logical conclusion of your own run at moral relativism. You see, something doesn't have to be 'morally wrong' to be worthy of criticism and nor do I have to think that something is 'objectively bad' for me to want to prevent such things happening in the future. Social game rules involve an ongoing negotiation amongst the parties involved. Where the Goons have ****** up here is in taking their own communal social game rules and bringing them into the public gaze of the wider community. Given that the Goons explicitly self-identify as a sub-culture and put themselves outside normal societal norms it just bemuses me completely that they react with shock and outrage when they find that, yes indeed the outside world does find their mode of social interaction to be highly offensive.
So, what I'm trying to tell you is my own morals or lack thereof are neither here nor there. I have opinions about what things should and should not happen in a society that I would be happy living in and the Mittani's actions fall into the category of things I would prefer not to happen. However, most of the rest of society will conflate their personal view on that with 'moral wrongdoing' and will, quite reasonably, then go looking for the head of the 'wrongdoer'. And their society is bigger and more influential than your sub-culture. This is just a mirror of the approach the Goon's took to the Wis. He offended your sense of propriety with his mail so he was mocked and publicly pilloried because he was sufficiently weak to be targeted in that way. Mainstream society just has slightly different forms for handling such things and frequently not forms I agree with either.
Finally, I have to say that I will indeed feel genuinely sorry for the RL Alex if this stuff gets picked up by the mainstream press as I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Indeed, I will feel more sorry for him than the player he mocked. However, I will also think he has more personal responsibility for landing himself in that situation and I don't think that these potential unfortunate consequences should be used to argue that he shouldn't have been criticised in the first place. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3586
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:49:00 -
[1662] - Quote
Khorian wrote:He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.
So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.
What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.
I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.
PS: Grow a spine
Nobody is defending what he did at Fanfest, that was dumb. It's people drawing attention to this because they are opposed to what he has done for the betterment of the game as a whole, or because of bitterness over petty bullshit like getting suicide ganked, scammed or whatever by Goonswarm members.
You don't have a higher moral ground to stand on and you should stop pretending that you do.
snizzype "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:49:00 -
[1663] - Quote
Andski wrote:Khorian wrote:He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.
So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.
What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.
I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.
PS: Grow a spine Nobody is defending what he did at Fanfest, that was dumb. It's people drawing attention to this because they are opposed to what he has done for the betterment of the game as a whole, or because of bitterness over petty bullshit like getting suicide ganked, scammed or whatever by Goonswarm members. You don't have a higher moral ground to stand on and you should stop pretending that you do. snizzype
Oh yes the moral highground is the Goons isn't it
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3586
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:52:00 -
[1664] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Oh yes the moral highground is the Goons isn't it
Aren't you the one that has been posting about how you're contacting literally every gaming media site about this thing? You're definitely not one to talk. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:53:00 -
[1665] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Andski wrote:Khorian wrote:He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.
So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.
What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.
I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.
PS: Grow a spine Nobody is defending what he did at Fanfest, that was dumb. It's people drawing attention to this because they are opposed to what he has done for the betterment of the game as a whole, or because of bitterness over petty bullshit like getting suicide ganked, scammed or whatever by Goonswarm members. You don't have a higher moral ground to stand on and you should stop pretending that you do. snizzype Oh yes the moral highground is the Goons isn't it
Your stupid posting is still endangering my life, please stop. You might find adverse things happening to your real life because of my endangered life with your stupid posting.
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Myz Toyou
Bite Me inc Exhale.
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:53:00 -
[1666] - Quote
~serious business~ |
The D1ngo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:54:00 -
[1667] - Quote
quote=The Mittani]Ban Bindy wrote:See the thread Fanfest Alliance Panel Disgusting.
See in particular post #68, in which someone's in game eve mail is posted to the forums.
If this is what these people actually did and said at the panel, this is so totally disgusting and sadistic that it can't be accepted.
I don't care about what happens in the game, since I can't do anything about it.
Holding someone up to PUBLIC ridicule in real life and following it up by encouraging people to continue this behavior on the forums, by posting the guy's eve mail to the forums, is not acceptable behavior by a human being.
You should read the thread if you want background. The quick version is that this person was apparently very rich in the tears that these plays love so much. He is referred to as depressed and suicidal. If the thread is accurate, our CSM chair encouraged people to get in touch with this guy and harass him further and gave out his name at the panel. Someone followed this up by posting one of the guy's eve mails to the forums.
These are major eve players actually encouraging people to cause a play psychological harm, and in a PUBLIC context outside the game. This cannot be accepted.
deal with it~[/quote]
Was that apology really sincere? |
Bucky O'Hair
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:54:00 -
[1668] - Quote
+1 Mr. Mittani
To the torch and pitchfork crowd, get a life.
Seriously, the man apologized, he deeply regrets what he said. If you have never said or done something stupid or that your ashamed of, it is only because you have never been drunk.
There is one more thing to add to the list of "Life's Certainties" Death Taxes You will say/do something stupid when your drunk
Move on, nothing to see here.....
We Are Ushra'Khan!
We are coming for our people. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
592
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:54:00 -
[1669] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Elena Melkan wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:Sometimes the few or even the one must be sacrificed to serve a greater good. I didn't watch the alliance roundtable because in the beginning many of them were clearly drunk thus I do believe it was the alcohol talking. I didn't think anything good would come of listening to a bunch of drunks is why I didn't listen to it, I have though seen the snippet in question since. If CCP doesn't remove him from the CSM they'll be crucified by the overly liberal media. EVE could become the Dungeons & Dragons of the 21st century, where D&D was largely preached against etc in the later part of the 20th century, because of a few. That damage could undo the good they've done since Crucible. What is the 'greater good' you speak about? Griefing happens everyday in EVE, in different levels. It is because CCP has taken different approach than other MMO's: they have allowed it in their game, while in some other games you would be banned right away when calling someone 'stupid'. I'm 100% sure that many of these posters who come here to cry about The Mittani and his actions have actually done similar things themselves. That is hypocrisy, my friend. The Mittani has done well in CSM and was re-elected with massive amount of votes. Serving the 'greater good' in this case would mean him continuing in his position. Everyone does mistakes, everyone slips at some point, but one certainly shouldn't be crucified for that if he could make many other things better for a big bunch of people. Whilst all very true, the problem is that his comments were made out of game at a official CCP Event. An Official Event being transmitted live to thousands of people with CCP employees present, I'm no expert but something tells those people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP would not appreciate the amount of negativity publicity currently on the internet, neither would CCP partners such as Sony and Nvidia, especially considering the topic in question is so prevalent in today's media and with the growing band wagon of people who are trying to blame computer games for kids running riot. Why do you think CCP has a rule that you can not post kill mails, eve mails and chat logs for the sole purpose to mock and humiliate people? CCP know there is a line that can not be crossed, unfortunately for Alex he did cross this line. I do have a lot of sympathy for Alex, He does not deserves the amount of real life vilification he has received. It was a dumb misguided action made worse due to him being drunk. I have no sympathy for CCP as I can not believe that somebody didn't think of just giving the presentation slides a quick once over just to make sure they were no crossing any lines, considering the reputation that some of the alliance members leaders have and also that they were stinking drunk as well. The slides from GSF were clean of names.
The specifics have been over and over, but him giving out the name was NOT part of the presentation, and was an off the cuff thing he did as a drunken response to someone asking him if he wanted to know where the guys was.
Basically, it was a tasteless way of saying 'we already know where he is, you don't need to tell us'.
And I imagine that they double checked every one of those quotes to see where the person being quoted currently is in the game, if only to be prepared to engage in some serious trolling.
The 'drive him to kill himself' comment was stupid drunken shenanigans of the sort everyone who has had alcoholic fun has done in a moment of excess, only for him it was televised.
Still better than the drunken stuff I did as a kid, convincing people it would be a good idea to jump off cliffs or light cars on fire. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:55:00 -
[1670] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Elena Melkan wrote:Mecinia Lua wrote:Sometimes the few or even the one must be sacrificed to serve a greater good. I didn't watch the alliance roundtable because in the beginning many of them were clearly drunk thus I do believe it was the alcohol talking. I didn't think anything good would come of listening to a bunch of drunks is why I didn't listen to it, I have though seen the snippet in question since. If CCP doesn't remove him from the CSM they'll be crucified by the overly liberal media. EVE could become the Dungeons & Dragons of the 21st century, where D&D was largely preached against etc in the later part of the 20th century, because of a few. That damage could undo the good they've done since Crucible. What is the 'greater good' you speak about? Griefing happens everyday in EVE, in different levels. It is because CCP has taken different approach than other MMO's: they have allowed it in their game, while in some other games you would be banned right away when calling someone 'stupid'. I'm 100% sure that many of these posters who come here to cry about The Mittani and his actions have actually done similar things themselves. That is hypocrisy, my friend. The Mittani has done well in CSM and was re-elected with massive amount of votes. Serving the 'greater good' in this case would mean him continuing in his position. Everyone does mistakes, everyone slips at some point, but one certainly shouldn't be crucified for that. Especially if he can make many other things better for a big bunch of people. Sorry I'm getting lost. What does how many votes he gets in an election for a game have to do with him trying to get people to harass a player into killing himself in real life? There is (or well, at least on that moment when the mockery happened) not a single solid proof that the player mentioned was even depressed. This is internet. You can lie, you can cheat as much as you want and never be held responsible for what you have done. To me it seemed more like attention seeking, or even a threat, so he could get away from the situation and stop losing his precious internet spaceships. Certainly it seemed like that to the people who mocked him - they didn't take him seriously, because, you know, there is always a chance that he can cheat.
I don't know of course, there is possibility that this guy really is depressed. People have killed themselves over internet stuff before. It just seems strange, that as a depressed and especially a suicidal person you go and tell about your depression to someone. Knowing some that are suffering from that illness, they usually tend to hide it from strangers because they are ashamed of themselves. Of course the cases can vary, but many of the suicide threats are part of angst and attention seeking - they are not really going to do it.
The important thing is that The Mittani apologized. He made a mistake. In my eyes, the mistake he made wasn't so severe that he should be ultimately punished for that. |
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Yumi Sagara
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:58:00 -
[1671] - Quote
Once he resigns this will all be over with. I think it's good that he's willing to take that step. It shows a great deal of character. It would be extremely pathetic if he somehow managed to weasel his way out of doing, and I personally don't believe him to be that kind of person.
Hopefully he won't prove to be the person folks accuse him of being in the coming days, we can promote whoever got the second highest votes to chairman and then move on. :) |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
425
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 10:58:00 -
[1672] - Quote
Andski wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Oh yes the moral highground is the Goons isn't it Aren't you the one that has been posting about how you're contacting literally every gaming blog in existence about this thing?
No what makes you think that
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Dovinian
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1038
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:59:00 -
[1673] - Quote
Andski wrote:Khorian wrote:He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.
So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.
What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.
I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.
PS: Grow a spine Nobody is defending what he did at Fanfest, that was dumb. It's people drawing attention to this because they are opposed to what he has done for the betterment of the game as a whole, or because of bitterness over petty bullshit like getting suicide ganked, scammed or whatever by Goonswarm members. You don't have a higher moral ground to stand on and you should stop pretending that you do. snizzype Andski, I love you. |
Hinkledolph
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 10:59:00 -
[1674] - Quote
It's a shame i couldn't go to the fest. Would have gotten drunk, bitchslapped the CCP employee and pissed on his head while he was down. Next day all would have been well because I WOULD HAVE APOLOGIZED and send him my isk too!!! |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:00:00 -
[1675] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Andski wrote:Khorian wrote:He made a bad joke, he crossed a fine line with it. He apologised for it. Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean that it is allright to do.
So by apologising and not trying to rationalize the bad thing he did he showed that he actually appears to have a spine. Its much harder to admit that you were wrong than to keep on defending your (or his) wrong position.
What he did was out of line. He got it, he acted on it. Stop defending him for his "bad joke". Take of your pink internet spaceship glasses and stfu before you make yourself look even more stupid.
I will try to make it as short and blunt as possible for you. YOU ARE WRONG. The end.
PS: Grow a spine Nobody is defending what he did at Fanfest, that was dumb. It's people drawing attention to this because they are opposed to what he has done for the betterment of the game as a whole, or because of bitterness over petty bullshit like getting suicide ganked, scammed or whatever by Goonswarm members. You don't have a higher moral ground to stand on and you should stop pretending that you do. snizzype Oh yes the moral highground is the Goons isn't it Your stupid posting is still endangering my life, please stop. You might find adverse things happening to your real life because of my endangered life with your stupid posting.
Would you like to know who I am and where I can be found?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:01:00 -
[1676] - Quote
Yumi Sagara wrote:Once he resigns this will all be over with. I think it's good that he's willing to take that step. It shows a great deal of character. It would be extremely pathetic if he somehow managed to weasel his way out of doing, and I personally don't believe him to be that kind of person.
Hopefully he won't prove to be the person folks accuse him of being in the coming days, we can promote whoever got the second highest votes to chairman and then move on. :)
So you clearly want him deposed, as I suspect everyone against Mittani in this thread want.
Typical that you would voice outright what everyone here is afraid to voice.
Using a drunk comment to depose a guy is the dumbest thing. It's the equivalent of a Senator losing his seat in the Senate because he stated at a party while drunk, "I think Hilary should be on her knees." |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
1097
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:03:00 -
[1677] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:He made a bad joke. Why are you taking a bad joke said at the alliance panel of all places seriously?
I got it, everyone at fanfest understood it so why can't you?
He made a bad joke that was wildly inappropriate.
See what I did there?
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Kblackjack54
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:03:00 -
[1678] - Quote
Sorry but 80+ pages of vitriolic garbage on this topic seems to me to be a little excessive, yes the man behaved like an Ass, smashed off his face he managed to do what so many of us have done before at sometime and say something that later came back to haunt us.
But let us look at the simple facts here, in spite of his taunting regarding the loss of a few pixels it seems the victim, if there ever really was one is fine and well and continues to play EVE as he once did, mining away at ice which according to some is the lowest profession in EVE that can be found.
Hints that the manGÇÖs life was a wreck due to these drunken comments have proven unfounded, hypothetically if his wife had left him or his children really did not want to know him is this anything to do with EVE, only in as much as maybe he should have concentrated on his marriage rather than playing internet spaceships for hours we will and IMO should never know.
The one thing that strikes me glaringly is the fact that this thing has been blown out of all proportion, and no one here is asking why right now anyone should do this, he did indeed crack a bad joke and in return feels humbled by allowing himself to get so '**** Faced' as to have engaged his mouth before his brain had studied the multitude of political capital that some would make from this comment, Sound familiar to anyone.
Wonder how many times we have all felt like walking round and punching some prick in the face for some comment or deed in EVE only prevented by the distance that EVE presents us all with, but in this case no distance was provided, he said what he did and has made an apology publicly for it so come on people.
Leave it alone and get on with the game, |
baltec1
890
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:03:00 -
[1679] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:baltec1 wrote:He made a bad joke. Why are you taking a bad joke said at the alliance panel of all places seriously?
I got it, everyone at fanfest understood it so why can't you? He made a bad joke that was wildly inappropriate. See what I did there?
Oh you |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:04:00 -
[1680] - Quote
Apology for nothing, lame Mittens. |
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Macharion Thelgamor
Section 34 The Bohemians
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:05:00 -
[1681] - Quote
Respect for the apology, it appeared genuine and timely which is a good first step. If it is backed up by such an action as Goons perma-blueing the guy in question's corp the do it, it is the kind of gesture that shows you mean it, helps the guy out through what will now be an unwanted and crazy high profile time for him.
Unfortunately perception is all in these modern times and the unwanted publicity from places like massively and gamebreaker will hurt CCP after what was a very positive and enjoyable fanfest that promised much to look forward to in the coming year. They have put a lot of effort into turning things round, pulled out all the stops and put on a great show this year. It is the sad nature of controversy that none of that will be remembered by the wider MMO and gaming community, it will instead be these comments which is a real shame as in the past year you have done great work in helping both EVE online return to the roots that made it great and bringing the game positively to notice by the wider gaming community.
If you have indeed offered your resignation CCP may have no choice but to be seen to take it this year. However, in a years time when the CSM elections come around you will have done your time and by then, as is quite likely, the CSM will have lost some of the momentum gained under your chairmanship. At that point, if you are willing to stand once again, not only is there a great chance you will you get voted back in, you could equally get voted back in as chairman with a rare chance for redemption. You will be judged at that point but time is a great healer, and at the very least people will have had a year to realise what the game's been missing.
This game is all about second chances, in game we are after all immortals who can bounce back from any setback and strap ourselves right back in for more. In this case life can imitate art. It has happened many times in history, it can happen here too.
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Tish Magev
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:06:00 -
[1682] - Quote
Means nothing until you actually resign, otherwise it's nothing more than an empty statement for the simple purpose of regaining public favour.
TL;DR;
GTFO |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:06:00 -
[1683] - Quote
This serious internet spaceship profession is becoming a huge waste of important RL time. All this burned RL time around EVE like CSM, flying to Island for nerd talk, spending time for a game like a 500K-sallary-per-year manager should make us think about what we get from this: Nothing special at the end. |
OwenJ
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:06:00 -
[1684] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel....If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so.
I voted for you. In my opinion, you have the guts to admit you are wrong and have offered an apology while showing a great deal of remorse. This shows you have character. Knowing this, I will not want to change my vote.
Every person in these forums would have done something as stupid sometime in their past, at another time, in another context maybe. Point to anyone who says they haven't and I'll show you a liar.
Did they have the guts like you have and really apologise for their actions while showing remorse?
It is this which proves I have voted for the right person.
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Shai 'Hulud
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:06:00 -
[1685] - Quote
He made a bad joke while obviously very drunk.
CCP posted the video for the whole world to see. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:07:00 -
[1686] - Quote
Elena Melkan wrote: There is (or well, at least on that moment when the mockery happened) not a single solid proof that the player mentioned was even depressed. This is internet. You can lie, you can cheat as much as you want and never be held responsible for what you have done. To me it seemed more like attention seeking, or even a threat, so he could get away from the situation and stop losing his precious internet spaceships. Certainly it seemed like that to the people who mocked him - they didn't take him seriously, because, you know, there is always a chance that he can cheat.
I don't know of course, there is possibility that this guy really is depressed. People have killed themselves over internet stuff before. It just seems strange, that as a depressed and especially a suicidal person you go and tell about your depression to someone you don't know. Knowing some that are suffering from that illness, they usually tend to hide it from strangers because they are ashamed of themselves. Heck, telling it to your best friends or the people you trust the most can be very difficult sometimes. Of course the cases can vary, but many of the suicide threats are part of angst and attention seeking - they are not really going to do it.
The important thing is that The Mittani apologized. He made a mistake. In my eyes, the mistake he made wasn't so severe that he should be ultimately punished for that.
Actually the thing I find hard to swallow is not if the person was depressed at that time but, that he asked thousands of people to try to get someone to kill them selves. I am quite relieved to know that no one was hurt but it was a threat (joking or not) in front of thousands of people on and off stage. The apology was great but not really enough when it comes to threats in Real Life. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:07:00 -
[1687] - Quote
Those silly goonies.
So how much did The Mittani pay to fix Alexander's little goof? 200 million? 500? A billion? Maybe more? As long as that guy never gets bothered again by whatever manifestation Goonswarm takes next year, I see no reason why mittens can't keep his chairman position. He won it fair and metagame-square. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3588
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:08:00 -
[1688] - Quote
Tish Magev wrote:MY TITAN a bloo blooo blooo bloooooooooooooo
literally all I could read in your post "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
R3dSh1ft
Moon In Scorpio RED.OverLord
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:09:00 -
[1689] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Yumi Sagara wrote:Once he resigns this will all be over with. I think it's good that he's willing to take that step. It shows a great deal of character. It would be extremely pathetic if he somehow managed to weasel his way out of doing, and I personally don't believe him to be that kind of person.
Hopefully he won't prove to be the person folks accuse him of being in the coming days, we can promote whoever got the second highest votes to chairman and then move on. :) So you clearly want him deposed, as I suspect everyone against Mittani in this thread want. Typical that you would voice outright what everyone here is afraid to voice. Using a drunk comment to depose a guy is the dumbest thing. It's the equivalent of a Senator losing his seat in the Senate because he stated at a party while drunk, "I think Hilary should be on her knees."
Seen this argument a lot. Would like to clarify from my perspective that its not about the "one drunken comment" so much as the man it revealed to the public due to his lack of self-control and vocalisation filter.
Its not a position from which somebody in the public limelight can recover as he no longer represents their views, so he must go. |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:09:00 -
[1690] - Quote
Tish Magev wrote:Means nothing until you actually resign, otherwise it's nothing more than an empty statement for the simple purpose of regaining public favour.
TL;DR;
GTFO
hahahaha look at you |
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Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:10:00 -
[1691] - Quote
We read the tears on your forums Raiden and I bet you would just LOVE Mittens to step down.
Try harder |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1453
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:10:00 -
[1692] - Quote
You did WHAT ? O_O
*slaps him in the face*
You're DISGUSTING !! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:11:00 -
[1693] - Quote
And by try harder I mean you should probably stop posting |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
98
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:11:00 -
[1694] - Quote
Mittens, bloody hell m8, who takes a drunk person seriously?
If you had said that and the guy really did kill himself, you should feel bad. But he's alive and still sort of an ass (as portrayed in the text interview I read). So don't feel bad, kill moar miners! My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1453
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:12:00 -
[1695] - Quote
TheButcherPete wrote:Mittens, bloody hell m8, who takes a drunk person seriously?
If you had said that and the guy really did kill himself, you should feel bad. But he's alive and still sort of an ass (as portrayed in the text interview I read). So don't feel bad, kill moar miners!
Wow, you're a ****** up ******* sociopath ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
592
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:13:00 -
[1696] - Quote
I have one major questions
How does telling someone to kill themselves constitute threatening them?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/threat?s=t http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/threaten?s=t
A threat implies action on the part of the threatening person. At no point was anyone told to go out and KILL the guy, just to try and convince him to kill himself.
Its not a good thing, but its not a threat, and not something anyone would(or did) actually do. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
156
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:15:00 -
[1697] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Actually the thing I find hard to swallow is not if the person was depressed at that time but, that he asked thousands of people to try to get someone to kill them selves. I am quite relieved to know that no one was hurt but it was a threat (joking or not) in front of thousands of people on and off stage. The apology was great but not really enough when it comes to threats in Real Life.
And yet literally NOBODY listened to him, because anyone who heard the words come out of his mouth and took it seriously was already looking for something to get righteously angry about. Everyone else saw it for what it was - a joke. A joke in extremely poor taste, a joke that certainly never should have been made, but a joke nonetheless.
Anyone who actually listened to the words come out of his mouth and still believes it was a genuine, bonafide threat has suspect motives or the worst judgement known to man.
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HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:15:00 -
[1698] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:Mittens, bloody hell m8, who takes a drunk person seriously?
If you had said that and the guy really did kill himself, you should feel bad. But he's alive and still sort of an ass (as portrayed in the text interview I read). So don't feel bad, kill moar miners! Wow, you're a ****** up ******* sociopath ! the typical responce from a butthurt carebear
Psst guys, totaly dont gank this guy.... He might go and commit suicide....
Dont want another threadnaught on ur hands |
Cosmos Serendipity
BRAHMA CORP
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:15:00 -
[1699] - Quote
This is like an AA moment, the first step is to realize you have a problem. I was actually quite suprised to see an appology. Hopefully it isn't just a space politician appology, but lets face it, this isn't the first time something like this has happened though. I seem to remember something about making fun of a players rl death. I don't really remember the details of how that came about though since I was just starting to look at the null sec alliances at the time, that turned me off of goons from the start.
I do see this as a good first step in any case and hope that it is the beggining of a new Mittens/ Goon era. |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:16:00 -
[1700] - Quote
Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3588
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:18:00 -
[1701] - Quote
Misunderstood Genius wrote:Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious.
ahahaha you think a perma-ban is even on the table "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:19:00 -
[1702] - Quote
Misunderstood Genius wrote:Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious. Realy? A perma-ban for something as trivial as this... I'm sure there are much worse things going on in the eve-o universe... Gtfo |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:21:00 -
[1703] - Quote
HazardsSoul wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious. Realy? A perma-ban for something as trivial as this... I'm sure there are much worse things going on in the eve-o universe... Gtfo
That justifies does it no
The fact you all seem to fail to recognise the life/death signifacance of this and carry on blabering your ingam meme's is sad really imo
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:21:00 -
[1704] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Actually the thing I find hard to swallow is not if the person was depressed at that time but, that he asked thousands of people to try to get someone to kill them selves. I am quite relieved to know that no one was hurt but it was a threat (joking or not) in front of thousands of people on and off stage. The apology was great but not really enough when it comes to threats in Real Life. It is definitely hard, if you make it bigger thing than it is.
In real life politics, politicians have been joking about much worse things and got away with it. In REAL LIFE. This is a (serious internet) game.
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Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:21:00 -
[1705] - Quote
R3dSh1ft wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Yumi Sagara wrote:Once he resigns this will all be over with. I think it's good that he's willing to take that step. It shows a great deal of character. It would be extremely pathetic if he somehow managed to weasel his way out of doing, and I personally don't believe him to be that kind of person.
Hopefully he won't prove to be the person folks accuse him of being in the coming days, we can promote whoever got the second highest votes to chairman and then move on. :) So you clearly want him deposed, as I suspect everyone against Mittani in this thread want. Typical that you would voice outright what everyone here is afraid to voice. Using a drunk comment to depose a guy is the dumbest thing. It's the equivalent of a Senator losing his seat in the Senate because he stated at a party while drunk, "I think Hilary should be on her knees." Seen this argument a lot. Would like to clarify from my perspective that its not about the "one drunken comment" so much as the man it revealed to the public due to his lack of self-control and vocalisation filter. Its not a position from which somebody in the public limelight can recover as he no longer represents their views, so he must go.
I can see your point, but conversely he does in fact represent the base feelings of almost every person, just they don't want to reveal that to the world. Look, we all say what we say when we're drunk, I once told the group of guys I was getting drunk with that we should play in the street, and play dodgeball with the cars. I was beyond drunk, so drunk i never remembered it until my brother brought it up randomly one day, I seriously thought he smoked one too many bowls when he said it to me.
On a serious note, no one has ever been deposed of any position because they said something stupid, not even in the game. There are some hateful things said in game and on these forums, and the most those offenders get is a slap on the wrist and their post deleted. This goes for CSM members as well as alliance leaders and so forth.
Last I knew, alliance leaders, and corp leaders, are public figures yet we don't hold them to the mythical pedestal that we are now saying we hold Mittani to. If you are going to set a precedence, then hold it true to every single member of the forum, every single account holder in game no matter the position they hold, and make sure that the punishment they receive is on par with whatever MIttani gets, because otherwise would be hypocrisy on a massive scale.
Seriously, this is no worse than what happens in the crime and punishment forum, there is ever way worse crap posted in there than what Mittani stated at the Panel. |
Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:22:00 -
[1706] - Quote
so suddenly suffering from depression having just screwed your rl up is grounds for demanding to be given immunity ingame from being shot or trolled - wow, just wow, wtf has this game come to and when did we get taken over by the high sec carebears |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:22:00 -
[1707] - Quote
Goons, please stop defending the Mittani. His apology is a step in the right direction. If he resigns, then he's truly proving that he's a man and will have my respect. Maybe he can stand for CSM next year. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:22:00 -
[1708] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:HazardsSoul wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious. Realy? A perma-ban for something as trivial as this... I'm sure there are much worse things going on in the eve-o universe... Gtfo That justifies does it no The fact you all seem to fail to recognise the life/death signifacance of this and carry on blabering your ingam meme's is sad really imo
lolololol. no |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:23:00 -
[1709] - Quote
Master Andrew wrote:so suddenly suffering from depression having just screwed your rl up is grounds for demanding to be given immunity ingame from being shot or trolled - wow, just wow, wtf has this game come to and when did we get taken over by the high sec carebears
WTF has this game come to when driving people to kill themselves is obviously accepted and ecouraged by the company that run it
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:23:00 -
[1710] - Quote
HazardsSoul wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:HazardsSoul wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Obvious fear of a perma-ban is obvious. Realy? A perma-ban for something as trivial as this... I'm sure there are much worse things going on in the eve-o universe... Gtfo That justifies does it no The fact you all seem to fail to recognise the life/death signifacance of this and carry on blabering your ingam meme's is sad really imo lolololol. no
Ingame meme's FTW
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:25:00 -
[1711] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Master Andrew wrote:so suddenly suffering from depression having just screwed your rl up is grounds for demanding to be given immunity ingame from being shot or trolled - wow, just wow, wtf has this game come to and when did we get taken over by the high sec carebears WTF has this game come to when driving people to kill themselves is obviously accepted and ecouraged by the company that run it So cute when pubbies think everything is a meme.... Kill yourself bro, The threadnaught will improve without your ****** posting. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3588
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:25:00 -
[1712] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:WTF has this game come to when driving people to kill themselves is obviously accepted and ecouraged by the company that run it
if you are such a goddamn fragile little snowflake that you can get driven to suicide by a video game you really need to straighten your life out
the first step is taking a vacation from the game "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:25:00 -
[1713] - Quote
Frankly you goons are fools
When has M EVA APOLIGISED FOR ANYTHING
Yet your all crying trying to defend what he admits was very very wrong
Grow up seriously
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
33
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:26:00 -
[1714] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:On a serious note, no one has ever been deposed of any position because they said something stupid, not even in the game. There are some hateful things said in game and on these forums, and the most those offenders get is a slap on the wrist and their post deleted. This goes for CSM members as well as alliance leaders and so forth.
Thats part of the problem it wasn't in game it was in-front of cameras. Also its now on all sorts other news sites. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Lolmer
Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:26:00 -
[1715] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Shinrea wrote:One thing people need to take into account, he made a mistake we all have.
He has admitted his mistake and apologised.
The miner in question is alive and well, playing eve as normal.
If he was to resign it would cause far more damage than currently, as The Mittani is a major part of the CSM.
+1 to apology and you have my support Mittani.
Shinrea So this sort of behavior is ok if you: 1) Apologizes 2) The person doesn't kill them selves 3) You are a member of the CSM So where do we draw the line? You can do this as long as you apologize before the person dies? Do you have to be a member of the CSM, or is a CEO of a major corp good enough? He acted in real life and brought bad press to CCP just before DUST 514 launches, it's bad for business and it's bad for the game.
Actually, the shitposters and whomever sent this info the press garnered the bad press. No one would have really cared about The Mittani's tasteless joke in a drunk panel about in-game alliance antics that's just for fun/*****/giggles/whatnot.
There is a line, and those continuing this harassment of The Mittani and The Wis are not only crossing it, but trying to erase the line from existence and painting a new line that says drunk and tasteless jokes should lead to repercussions. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:27:00 -
[1716] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Frankly you goons are fools
When has M EVA APOLIGISED FOR ANYTHING
Yet your all crying trying to defend what he admits was very very wrong
Grow up seriously
Just kill yourself you moron. You make me stupid simply by having an active account. I want to kill myself because you post, seriously, so my life is in danger with your posting. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:27:00 -
[1717] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Frankly you goons are fools
When has M EVA APOLIGISED FOR ANYTHING
Yet your all crying trying to defend what he admits was very very wrong
Grow up seriously
We just enjoy your ****** posting No. realy, Keep posting |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
91
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:27:00 -
[1718] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Master Andrew wrote:so suddenly suffering from depression having just screwed your rl up is grounds for demanding to be given immunity ingame from being shot or trolled - wow, just wow, wtf has this game come to and when did we get taken over by the high sec carebears WTF has this game come to when driving people to kill themselves is obviously accepted and ecouraged by the company that run it
This is a game, you've taken it to seriously.
Uninstall EVE, go outside, talk to real people. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3593
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:28:00 -
[1719] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Frankly you goons are fools
When has M EVA APOLIGISED FOR ANYTHING
Yet your all crying trying to defend what he admits was very very wrong
Grow up seriously
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86980
also "lol" at the grow up comment "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:28:00 -
[1720] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Master Andrew wrote:so suddenly suffering from depression having just screwed your rl up is grounds for demanding to be given immunity ingame from being shot or trolled - wow, just wow, wtf has this game come to and when did we get taken over by the high sec carebears WTF has this game come to when driving people to kill themselves is obviously accepted and ecouraged by the company that run it
you sir have decided to take this game way to seriousily that is your problem not the rest of us who play for fun and dont need to be told to ***** foot around other people beacuse they may or may not be feeling depressed.
Also where did you get teh impression that CCP is encouraging people to kill themselves - i mean really - you need to chill out and leave your house(mums basement) for a few hours - maybe get some fresh air - look at the plants |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3593
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:29:00 -
[1721] - Quote
the day I find myself having any emotional investment in this awful game is the day I cancel my subscription and find a new thing "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Reaver Glitterstim
Resurrected Darkness
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:29:00 -
[1722] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:The fact you all seem to fail to recognise the life/death signifacance of this and carry on blabering your ingam meme's is sad really imo He's not going to take his own life. He's just trying to garner attention because he feels lost without it. He probably needs a hug, but just the same, he shouldn't have acted the way he did (the Mackinaw Miner). Mittens' crime was using a real life forum to attack an in-game character, which is cheating. Being rude to the guy based on his actions was totally called for. -á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters i'm strangely comfortable with it" -Mittens |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:30:00 -
[1723] - Quote
Also he is displaying 0 leadership ability
If that was me hanging out on a limb , ally chat would look something like
'SHUT THE F UP , YOUR MAKING A BAD SITUATION 10 TIMES WORSE'
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
593
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:31:00 -
[1724] - Quote
Can we turn this thread into a list of names being reported for harassing the Mittani and trying to drive him to suicide through threats to his real life? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:31:00 -
[1725] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Also he is displaying 0 leadership ability
If that was me hanging out on a limb , ally chat would look something like
'SHUT THE F UP , YOUR MAKING A BAD SITUATION 10 TIMES WORSE' Aww look at him being all mad Ablooo blooo bloooo |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:33:00 -
[1726] - Quote
HazardsSoul wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Also he is displaying 0 leadership ability
If that was me hanging out on a limb , ally chat would look something like
'SHUT THE F UP , YOUR MAKING A BAD SITUATION 10 TIMES WORSE' Aww look at him being all mad Ablooo blooo bloooo
But no it takes some carebear who apprently is mad.. to point out to the Goons there doing Alex no favours at all just now
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:33:00 -
[1727] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Also he is displaying 0 leadership ability
If that was me hanging out on a limb , ally chat would look something like
'SHUT THE F UP , YOUR MAKING A BAD SITUATION 10 TIMES WORSE'
you seem very angry - show me on the doll where The Mittani touched you - oh hang on - are you feeling emotionally fragile - i had better not be nasty to you |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3593
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:34:00 -
[1728] - Quote
we've already established that nobody's life is hanging on the balance here
try to keep up "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:34:00 -
[1729] - Quote
Andski wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:WTF has this game come to when driving people to kill themselves is obviously accepted and ecouraged by the company that run it if you are such a goddamn fragile little snowflake that you can get driven to suicide by a video game you really need to straighten your life out the first step is taking a vacation from the game
Some people also go to the gaming world in order to escape the real world where they have problems (mentally, physically, whatever). In these days, its more acceptable than driving yourself into drugs, and its enhanced in people with obsessive personality.
You are in an MMO, not in a colledge fap house with only bad-ass motherf-knows-it-all boys acting out. There are more than one type of people playing this game. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
548
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:34:00 -
[1730] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:HazardsSoul wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Also he is displaying 0 leadership ability
If that was me hanging out on a limb , ally chat would look something like
'SHUT THE F UP , YOUR MAKING A BAD SITUATION 10 TIMES WORSE' Aww look at him being all mad Ablooo blooo bloooo But no it takes some carebear who apprently is mad.. to point out to the Goons there doing Alex no favours at all just now
Professor Batsh*t insane at it again? Oh dear me... I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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Prince Kobol
353
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:35:00 -
[1731] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:HazardsSoul wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Also he is displaying 0 leadership ability
If that was me hanging out on a limb , ally chat would look something like
'SHUT THE F UP , YOUR MAKING A BAD SITUATION 10 TIMES WORSE' Aww look at him being all mad Ablooo blooo bloooo But no it takes some carebear who apprently is mad.. to point out to the Goons there doing Alex no favours at all just now
Unfortunately I have to agree with Alphane on this point..
damn you all |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:35:00 -
[1732] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:HazardsSoul wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Also he is displaying 0 leadership ability
If that was me hanging out on a limb , ally chat would look something like
'SHUT THE F UP , YOUR MAKING A BAD SITUATION 10 TIMES WORSE' Aww look at him being all mad Ablooo blooo bloooo But no it takes some carebear who apprently is mad.. to point out to the Goons there doing Alex no favours at all just now Is it me or is this clown trying to say goons are mad about the hate towards our dear chairman? No? Oh ok then. Go back to hello kitty where you belong |
Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:37:00 -
[1733] - Quote
i for one agree that this harasment of the great mittani has gone to far - soon he will surely be driven to self harm and alchol abuse - i will shortly be starting up a charity where all these softskinned liberal tards(titan owners) can donate rl money to buy the mittani a better life |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
597
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:37:00 -
[1734] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:HazardsSoul wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Also he is displaying 0 leadership ability
If that was me hanging out on a limb , ally chat would look something like
'SHUT THE F UP , YOUR MAKING A BAD SITUATION 10 TIMES WORSE' Aww look at him being all mad Ablooo blooo bloooo But no it takes some carebear who apprently is mad.. to point out to the Goons there doing Alex no favours at all just now Actually, they are trying to dilute the pure goon hate that has been poured into this thread by the anti-CFC groups and the carebears who are mad about getting scammed/ganked.
What you are seeing is PR, and pretty good PR, from a group that is pretty dam good at posting on forums due to years of experience. You just don't understand how it works, and that it is simply a response to hate filled posts like so very many in this thread. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
99
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:39:00 -
[1735] - Quote
This is funny, all of you kids saying that Goons are terribad and that Mittens should leave the CSM.
I have one acronym for you.
HTFU. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
157
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:40:00 -
[1736] - Quote
Guys, guys, we need to stop! I think Mittens' sterling reputation on the Eve Online Dot Com forums are taking a hit! |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:40:00 -
[1737] - Quote
If your PR includes promoting somethin your leader accepts was wrong...
Perhaps you should examine your procedures
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3594
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:40:00 -
[1738] - Quote
Mokanor Lenak wrote:Some people also go to the gaming world in order to escape the real world where they have problems (mentally, physically, whatever). In these days, its more acceptable than driving yourself into drugs, and its enhanced in people with obsessive personality.
You are in an MMO, not in a colledge fap house with only bad-ass motherf-knows-it-all boys acting out. There are more than one type of people playing this game.
This is a game where players take pride in kicking down sandcastles and stripping their enemies of literally everything they have worked for over years. No part of the game is exempt from this and anybody with serious issues IRL should not be using a game, especially not a cutthroat MMO like EVE to escape them. They should be seeking help and straightening out their priorities. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:41:00 -
[1739] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Guys, guys, we need to stop! I think Mittens' sterling reputation on the Eve Online Dot Com forums are taking a hit!
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
943
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:42:00 -
[1740] - Quote
Are you guys aware that by repeatedly quoting Wis and making his name and backstory known all over the forums, that you do more to isolate him and drive him over the edge than Mittens could ever have done? The apology sounded sincere, and I am sure that our beloved chariman will settle the thing with Wis in a private manner, no more publicity needed. Now, please let this topic die already, there will nothing good come out of it. -.- |
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Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:43:00 -
[1741] - Quote
Due to an overwhelming response of outrage from eve community, we have decided to open a GSF suicide hotline. Should you need to use such service, please undock in JITA 4-4 and use "THE WIZ" keyword in local.
We will ensure GSF members are always available to assist you at any time should you need our help. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
597
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:44:00 -
[1742] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:If your PR includes promoting somethin your leader accepts was wrong...
Perhaps you should examine your procedures No one has said anything along those lines.
If you read closely, they are all just saying you are stupid for taking it so seriously. The Mittani and CCP are handling it, they know you have great :outrage: and will take all appropriate measures.
What those measures are are not your business, or mine, or anyone else in this thread other than the Mittani. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:44:00 -
[1743] - Quote
Kriegman wrote:Due to an overwhelming response of outrage from eve community, we have decided to open a GSF suicide hotline. Should you need to use such service, please undock in JITA 4-4 and use "THE WIZ" keyword in local.
We will ensure GSF members are always available to assist you at any time should you need our help. This guy, I love you man |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
48
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:45:00 -
[1744] - Quote
Good that Mittani apologized. and good think that guy in mackinaw is OK. Its the good part of the story.
But we have rules co called "EULA" and I think that law can't be broken. We are not using RLife names for a reason. So there need to be consequences. Its the sad part of the game when computer pixels are meeting Real Life.
Alliance panel was the worst part of the fan fest - and guys - You are not rock stars you are nothing you are just players like others - grow up and do not act like "Kardashians" .
I think that CCP need to think about "Celebrities" of eve... Its maybe too much.. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:45:00 -
[1745] - Quote
Mittens should stop goons from posting?
haha that'll never happen. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
48
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:46:00 -
[1746] - Quote
Every so often, i find I am embarrased to even be playing this game.
One plays games with friends. Are we so desperate for friends that these are the kind of people we associate with?Seriously, would I even talk to some of these people if i met them in the street, or at a party?
People with no character, no integrity, and a man who is supposed to be the voice of the players ( By CCPs definition of the CSM, not his, as he states clearly he holds his stewardship for the benefit of none beside him and his) whose great joy in life is simply to make other people unhappy.
Mr. Gianturco, let me just say that I don't believe you are a "nice guy" in real life, we are who we are, and I have no doubt you are just as delighted to give those who have the misfortune of having to deal with you IRL a hard time as you do those in game.
You will not resign, as that would require something vaguely resembling character or integrity, which i think you have none of.
CCP in the end will force you to " resign", if they have any brains, allowing you to save face,so in the end you will get credit for that which you had no intention of doing in the first place.I am sure your recruitment is up, as there is no shortage of vile disgusting miserable bastards whose day is fulfilled only when they can drag others down to their level.
You may rejoice, as I find myself lessened to even be in the same group of people you travel in. Like an unwary visitor to the zoo who stood to close to the bars during a Monkeyshit fight,I am soiled by proxy. Bravo. You are indeed a wizard ,of assholery, taking the craft to new heights , tainting those who have never even met you or interacted with you.
It's good that you apologized, you were supposed to, hell, you had to. Wasn't really much of a choice.I doubt your apology is sincere, but hey, I suppose it's a step in the right direction from someone who doesn't care about social conventions, norms, or normal accepted behavior ( which, by the way, is kinda what a sociopath is,if you ever stop to think about it)
I get the whole something awful thing, and why you think that's amusing. Normal people don't. I get why you think that makes you , and those like you, "special". Really, it only makes you not normal.
I get why you need an armada of bootlicking impressionable psycophants posting as proxies glorifying your exploits and registering alt accounts to steal elections so you can boast about what an uber dude you are.But really, your just a theif.Not that I care one way or the other about the CSM or who is on it.
I get it, really, Ultimately though, i suspect it may be you who has more reason to off himself than the guy who lost the 23 mackinaws, as all the killmails, and wanks you have pumping your stump as you reread eve mails and convo logs from distressed and distraught players , and titan nerfs and game changes and election results and drunken conventions wont change the realization that no matter how many people you make feel crappy, for the brief interlude their paths cross yours,in the end it is you who are a piece of crap, Mr. Gianturco. |
Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
500
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:46:00 -
[1747] - Quote
Do not fall for his serenading apologetic letter to garner vindication of his misconduct and emotional appeal to redeem himself from the "scandal" he has caused.
It has been CLEAR EVER SINCE THE BEGINNING that he never had an ounce of doubt about his misconduct during the Fanfest 2012. He stood firm and resolute in the rightfulness of inciting thousands of players to provoke a mentally unstable player to commit suicide.
These are the responses from Mittani the Great prior to this debacle and public outcry:
"You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything."
"~10,058~"
He even lies to all of us by telling us that he never incited the players to send mails to provoke him to commit suicide when there is a video that clearly shows that he is delusional and a liar: "Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for. "
Him justifying his misconduct by telling all of us that what he did abides by the spirit of EVE Online: "Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself."
Since the beginning, he has seen no error in him inciting thousands of EVE players to provoke an unfortunate guy to commit suicide. He willingly, knowingly, and deliberately showed misconduct because he sincerely believes that there is nothing wrong with doing so. His responses explain his thoughts.
Do not fall for his "apologies." He only wrote this AFTER he got stream of news media covering his misconducts. He was scared of losing the chairmanship, his account, and his leadership over Goons. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:47:00 -
[1748] - Quote
Andski wrote:
This is a game where players take pride in kicking down sandcastles and stripping their enemies of literally everything they have worked for over years. No part of the game is exempt from this and anybody with serious issues IRL should not be using a game, especially not a cutthroat MMO like EVE to escape them. They should be seeking help and straightening out their priorities.
On that I whole heartedly agree Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:48:00 -
[1749] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: TL:DR
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:48:00 -
[1750] - Quote
Zimmy Zeta wrote:Are you guys aware that by repeatedly quoting Wis and making his name and backstory known all over the forums, that you do more to isolate him and drive him over the edge than Mittens could ever have done? The apology sounded sincere, and I am sure that our beloved chariman will settle the thing with Wis in a private manner, no more publicity needed. Now, please let this topic die already, there will nothing good come out of it.
Hey Z
Hows tricks
Unfortunatly the cat is out the bag now and in the public domain, the number of gaming sites that almost instantly covered the story, that may not be the end of this
There's no way to know how far such a 'viral' effect will have just now, because the infection has just started to spread as it where,
1000's of players ranting on facebook, twitter, no-one sure how 'high' up the publicity ladder this is going to climb, what Sony's reaction will be regarding this scandal regarding a comapny they are 'in bed with'
Thats why I warned the goons
Other people than CCP may forensically examine this incident, only time will tell the overall outcome, we are now at day 2 of the 'Mittani incident'
At least he has finally and defenatly sealed his entry into the history of New Eden
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Angux Thermopyle
The Elysian Agoge Elysian Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:48:00 -
[1751] - Quote
***RESIGN***
CSM needs adults rather than drunken meglomanics that can't seperate life from game. Apologies mean nothing without action. Resign, rehabilitate your self, then prove to the rest of EvE players you are worthy of representing us as a man rather than a drunken child.
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R3dSh1ft
Moon In Scorpio RED.OverLord
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:48:00 -
[1752] - Quote
Andski wrote:we've already established that nobody's life is hanging on the balance here
try to keep up
Not really, it often happens when least expected. His distress seemed genuine something like that doesn't just disappear overnight. |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
48
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:50:00 -
[1753] - Quote
HazardsSoul wrote:Kriegman wrote:Due to an overwhelming response of outrage from eve community, we have decided to open a GSF suicide hotline. Should you need to use such service, please undock in JITA 4-4 and use "THE WIZ" keyword in local.
We will ensure GSF members are always available to assist you at any time should you need our help. This guy, I love you man
yeah he needs to grow up... |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:50:00 -
[1754] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
Yes, right now Goons are in open revolt, with several threads on our forums conducting a poll to see if the Master Larper should be allowed to stay on after besmirching our name with an unfunny presentation. Surely another Karttoon moment is mere hours away. |
Lolmer
Yahoo Inc Caffeine Nicotine and Hate
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:50:00 -
[1755] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Whilst all very true, the problem is that his comments were made out of game at a official CCP Event.
An Official Event being transmitted live to thousands of people with CCP employees present,
I'm no expert but something tells those people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP would not appreciate the amount of negativity publicity currently on the internet, neither would CCP partners such as Sony and Nvidia, especially considering the topic in question is so prevalent in today's media and with the growing band wagon of people who are trying to blame computer games for kids running riot.
Why do you think CCP has a rule that you can not post kill mails, eve mails and chat logs for the sole purpose to mock and humiliate people?
CCP know there is a line that can not be crossed, unfortunately for Alex he did cross this line.
I do have a lot of sympathy for Alex, He does not deserves the amount of real life vilification he has received. It was a dumb misguided action made worse due to him being drunk.
I have no sympathy for CCP as I can not believe that somebody didn't think of just giving the presentation slides a quick once over just to make sure they were no crossing any lines, considering the reputation that some of the alliance members leaders have and also that they were stinking drunk as well.
Do you even read what is going on here? The slide is not the issue as the victim was nameless in the slide. The issue comes later, at the end of the presentations during Q&A when someone asks The Mittani a question about it and then the Mittani makes a joke in poor taste. The end, nothing to see here, move along. The Alliance Panel was full of horrible words (and some funny ones), but none of them are the hated The Mittani, are they? |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
599
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:52:00 -
[1756] - Quote
R3dSh1ft wrote:Andski wrote:we've already established that nobody's life is hanging on the balance here
try to keep up Not really, it often happens when least expected. His distress seemed genuine something like that doesn't just disappear overnight. Go red the chatlogs of someone telling him about this today. He's fine, and apparently thought the video was funny.
No one who knows about this seems to care less than the supposed 'victim'. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:52:00 -
[1757] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Are you guys aware that by repeatedly quoting Wis and making his name and backstory known all over the forums, that you do more to isolate him and drive him over the edge than Mittens could ever have done? The apology sounded sincere, and I am sure that our beloved chariman will settle the thing with Wis in a private manner, no more publicity needed. Now, please let this topic die already, there will nothing good come out of it. Hey Z Hows tricks Unfortunatly the cat is out the bag now and in the public domain, the number of gaming sites that almost instantly covered the story, that may not be the end of this There's no way to know how far such a 'viral' effect will have just now, because the infection has just started to spread as it where, 1000's of players ranting on facebook, twitter, no-one sure how 'high' up the publicity ladder this is going to climb, what Sony's reaction will be regarding this scandal regarding a comapny they are 'in bed with' Thats why I warned the goons Other people than CCP may forensically examine this incident, only time will tell the overall outcome, we are now at day 2 of the 'Mittani incident' At least he has finally and defenatly sealed his entry into the history of New Eden You personaly warned the goons about this? damn.... im sure you did..... damned pubbie. Kill yourself
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Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:52:00 -
[1758] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:If your PR includes promoting somethin your leader accepts was wrong...
Perhaps you should examine your procedures
you are a special snowflake - fighting the good fight - keep up the good work defending the weak and vunerable all around the world - you might want to start by looking around are realising that in this ****** world we live in people get kurb stomped all day every day in rl - i dont see you running arund worried about them - you just seem a little obbsesed with throwing dirt around
once again - i ask you to show us on the doll where the mittani touched you
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
599
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:54:00 -
[1759] - Quote
Lolmer wrote:Do you even read what is going on here? The slide is not the issue as the victim was nameless in the slide. The issue comes later, at the end of the presentations during Q&A when someone asks The Mittani a question about it and then the Mittani makes a joke in poor taste. The end, nothing to see here, move along. The Alliance Panel was full of horrible words (and some funny ones), but none of them are the hated The Mittani, are they? No Holes Barred had names on the slides for most of the people they publicly humiliated by forcing them to sing for ransoms, but the scrubbed versions GSF had up were EVIL!!!!! Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:54:00 -
[1760] - Quote
Master Andrew wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:If your PR includes promoting somethin your leader accepts was wrong...
Perhaps you should examine your procedures you are a special snowflake - fighting the good fight - keep up the good work defending the weak and vunerable all around the world - you might want to start by looking around are realising that in this ****** world we live in people get kurb stomped all day every day in rl - i dont see you running arund worried about them - you just seem a little obbsesed with throwing dirt around once again - i ask you to show us on the doll where the mittani touched you
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
48
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:55:00 -
[1761] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:R3dSh1ft wrote:Andski wrote:we've already established that nobody's life is hanging on the balance here
try to keep up Not really, it often happens when least expected. His distress seemed genuine something like that doesn't just disappear overnight. Go red the chatlogs of someone telling him about this today. He's fine, and apparently thought the video was funny. No one who knows about this seems to care less than the supposed 'victim'.
Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA. |
Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:56:00 -
[1762] - Quote
Master Andrew wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:If your PR includes promoting somethin your leader accepts was wrong...
Perhaps you should examine your procedures you are a special snowflake - fighting the good fight - keep up the good work defending the weak and vunerable all around the world - you might want to start by looking around are realising that in this ****** world we live in people get kurb stomped all day every day in rl - i dont see you running arund worried about them - you just seem a little obbsesed with throwing dirt around once again - i ask you to show us on the doll where the mittani touched you
was it on your 'micro-titan' |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:56:00 -
[1763] - Quote
Just stopping by to point out that everyone attempting to use the non-suicide of someone they've never met as political capital in imaginary internet spaceship politics is objectively a worse human being than The Mittani. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
169
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:57:00 -
[1764] - Quote
pull out the few hardcore angryposters, and this thread will collapse. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:57:00 -
[1765] - Quote
Keen Fallsword wrote:Good that Mittani apologized. and good think that guy in mackinaw is OK. Its the good part of the story.
But we have rules co called "EULA" and I think that law can't be broken. We are not using RLife names for a reason. So there need to be consequences. Its the sad part of the game when computer pixels are meeting Real Life.
Alliance panel was the worst part of the fan fest - and guys - You are not rock stars you are nothing you are just players like others - grow up and do not act like "Kardashians" .
I think that CCP need to think about "Celebrities" of eve... Its maybe too much..
Did not see any real life name used tbh...cause it did not happen |
Solid Raiden
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:58:00 -
[1766] - Quote
Sarina Berghil wrote:Anyone can feel on top on the world while drunk, but it takes real balls to own up to it and write an apology like that. That is a commendable act
Real balls? It takes 5 minutes writing some meaningless words on a paper. Nothing more. Apologizing is just another way of manipulating people.
So after this, this and this, all of the sudden he is sorry and we should just accept it? Words are meaningless unless followed by actions.
I won't pretend I'm some sort of moralist here asking for him to be punished for what he did. I don't really care. Was it appropriate? Not really, but then again in all honesty, who cares?
But I am having a laugh seeing Mittani squirm and would enjoy seeing his CSM chair burn. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 11:59:00 -
[1767] - Quote
I suggested that 'the Goons' perhaps follow there esteemed leaders example
As I say this scandal is in the process of breaking, this may look very bad for CCP to the general public to whom 'Internet spaceship pewpew' is not serious business at all but having there sons daughters friends and loved ones driven to sucide very much IS.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Sing Xing
Steel Sun Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:59:00 -
[1768] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
Damn, this is almost (almost) as disgusting as making a drunken, terrible joke about a guy killing himself. Using this to further your own petty political agenda is right up there with The Mittani himself. You should be ******* ashamed of yourself, it's obvious that you dont give a flying F about suicide-guy or cyber-bullying, but just desperately want to get Mittani out the CSM chair.
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R3dSh1ft
Moon In Scorpio RED.OverLord
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 11:59:00 -
[1769] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:R3dSh1ft wrote:Andski wrote:we've already established that nobody's life is hanging on the balance here
try to keep up Not really, it often happens when least expected. His distress seemed genuine something like that doesn't just disappear overnight. Go red the chatlogs of someone telling him about this today. He's fine, and apparently thought the video was funny. No one who knows about this seems to care less than the supposed 'victim'.
Have done, means nothing |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
158
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:00:00 -
[1770] - Quote
Keen Fallsword wrote:Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA.
Remind us all again how a video game software license applies to a real life event?
Actually no wait, don't. I'll just make up my own nonsensical reason in my head, it's bound to be less frustrating than reading whatever you come up with.
R3dSh1ft wrote:Have done, means nothing
Means everything, means nobody took his alleged "threat" seriously, means this whole outrage has been manufactured by people not above using someone they consider suicidal for their own gain. |
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HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:00:00 -
[1771] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:I suggested that 'the Goons' perhaps follow there esteemed leaders example
As I say this scandal is in the process of breaking, this may look very bad for CCP to the general public to whom 'Internet spaceship pewpew' is not serious business at all but having there sons daughters friends and loved ones driven to sucide very much IS. If you're driven to suicide by a game then i'm sorry my friend but eve isnt for you |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:00:00 -
[1772] - Quote
Master Andrew wrote: you are a special snowflake...
Naaah, Prof A is just a very angry about suicide ganking looking at his posting history. Of course, that's totally irrelevant to his valiant quest to have OUR CEO jailed for attempted murder, and I'm sure any other alliance leader would be subject to a similar honoUrable crusade for justice. |
Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:01:00 -
[1773] - Quote
All of you vultures harassing a poor man who clearly has problems with alcohol should be ashamed of yourselves. Alcoholism is a disease and Mittani deserves your understanding as much as a person with cancer or HIV does. Using his unfortunate outburst while drunk to push him out of the chair for metagaming purposes is just despicable. For shame. |
Mokanor Lenak
Republic University Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:02:00 -
[1774] - Quote
Andski wrote: This is a game where players take pride in kicking down sandcastles and stripping their enemies of literally everything they have worked for over years. No part of the game is exempt from this and anybody with serious issues IRL should not be using a game, especially not a cutthroat MMO like EVE to escape them. They should be seeking help and straightening out their priorities.
I agree that they need to fix their life, and its not the best game for him. But that does not change the fact that they are in the game, and they do have issues, and they are less tough than the normal gaming people. And CCP encourage people to join and have some sort of life in the game.
And as such you need to have the enough brain cells to know how to handle that. You can be smart, go "WTF DID I JUST READ" after reading that guy's letter and leave him alone / ignore him / let him sort his own issues. Or you can go total brain retarted bad-ass bastard, and post it and make fun of him in front of everyone. This is not like a person kicking another when he is down. Its like making everyone kick him when he is down.
Mittens chose the latter, and he is hopefuly going to pay for it.
The same as you don't take a mentally issued friend to a bar, get him drunk, and than encourage him to drunkly jump off a bridge, you don't do that like how mittens did. Being drunk is not an excuse, its just something to hide behind so you don't have to face the consequences. Else people who killed their wife while being drunk could have a very valid excuse. Right? |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
169
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:04:00 -
[1775] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Master Andrew wrote: you are a special snowflake...
Naaah, Prof A is just a very angry about suicide ganking looking at his posting history. Of course, that's totally irrelevant to his valiant quest to have OUR CEO jailed for attempted murder, and I'm sure any other alliance leader would be subject to a similar honoUrable crusade for justice.
Cant we just wardec him or is that cyberbullying too? |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:05:00 -
[1776] - Quote
All this **** over some dickhead that said he will kill himself lol, he deserves to be ganked more. |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
943
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:05:00 -
[1777] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Zimmy Zeta wrote:Are you guys aware that by repeatedly quoting Wis and making his name and backstory known all over the forums, that you do more to isolate him and drive him over the edge than Mittens could ever have done? The apology sounded sincere, and I am sure that our beloved chariman will settle the thing with Wis in a private manner, no more publicity needed. Now, please let this topic die already, there will nothing good come out of it. Hey Z Hows tricks Unfortunatly the cat is out the bag now and in the public domain, the number of gaming sites that almost instantly covered the story, that may not be the end of this There's no way to know how far such a 'viral' effect will have just now, because the infection has just started to spread as it where, 1000's of players ranting on facebook, twitter, no-one sure how 'high' up the publicity ladder this is going to climb, what Sony's reaction will be regarding this scandal regarding a comapny they are 'in bed with' Thats why I warned the goons Other people than CCP may forensically examine this incident, only time will tell the overall outcome, we are now at day 2 of the 'Mittani incident' At least he has finally and defenatly sealed his entry into the history of New Eden
Good morning Professor,
Sorry, but traditionally I don't give a flying crap about press and politics if RL human lives are in danger. So this guy was going through a hard time and found Eve as a vent and a safe place to find at least some stability and order and some way to stay in control of his life- even if it is a virtual one. MMOs are getting more and more important to those people. And now, just in the name of political correctness, you are depriving this person of his personal "safe spot" and drag him out all into the public. You are taking away the last bit of control he had over his life. I don't care about facebook, , twitter, the CSM and even Eve, as long as it endagers a living human. Just my 2 cents.
OK... I will do my part in no longer participating in this thread. Gonna log into Eve and just kill some ice miners instead- to show them that i still care and want to enrich their gaming experience
-.- |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:05:00 -
[1778] - Quote
An apology is good but it's not enough. For every player ship that blows up, the wheels of the economy turn slightly faster. -áDo your bit today. -áGo out and PEW.
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HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:05:00 -
[1779] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Master Andrew wrote: you are a special snowflake...
Naaah, Prof A is just a very angry about suicide ganking looking at his posting history. Of course, that's totally irrelevant to his valiant quest to have OUR CEO jailed for attempted murder, and I'm sure any other alliance leader would be subject to a similar honoUrable crusade for justice. Cant we just wardec him or is that cyberbullying too? I think that might make him kill himself |
Vila eNorvic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:06:00 -
[1780] - Quote
Elena Melkan wrote:In real life politics, politicians have been joking about much worse things and got away with it. In REAL LIFE. This is a (serious internet) game.
He didn't do it in game. He did on a live video stream. Get it? A LIVE video stream.
In other words, REAL LIFE. |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:06:00 -
[1781] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Master Andrew wrote: you are a special snowflake...
Naaah, Prof A is just a very angry about suicide ganking looking at his posting history. Of course, that's totally irrelevant to his valiant quest to have OUR CEO jailed for attempted murder, and I'm sure any other alliance leader would be subject to a similar honoUrable crusade for justice.
Indeed I'll be fully investigating claims that this is not the first time CCP have been complicite in driving someone to taking there life
It is nothing personal against Alex or the Goons etc
I have a histroy of putting you down ingame etc.. you know this I know this , this is 'the game'
Life and Death issues are far beyond some stupid space sim as far as I'm concerned sorry
The line was crossed, even if only one mortal excistance was threatened
THAT IS TOO MUCH, AND MUST BE STOPPED
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:08:00 -
[1782] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Master Andrew wrote: you are a special snowflake...
Naaah, Prof A is just a very angry about suicide ganking looking at his posting history. Of course, that's totally irrelevant to his valiant quest to have OUR CEO jailed for attempted murder, and I'm sure any other alliance leader would be subject to a similar honoUrable crusade for justice. Indeed I'll be fully investigating claims that this is not the first time CCP have been complicite in driving someone to taking there life It is nothing personal against Alex or the Goons etc I have a histroy of putting you down ingame etc.. you know this I know this , this is 'the game' Life and Death issues are far beyond some stupid space sim as far as I'm concerned sorry The line was crossed, even if only one mortal excistance was threatened THAT IS TOO MUCH, AND MUST BE STOPPED aww look at this little eve-o detective, Warning to all, this guy will put you down. J/k we will just laugh at this pubbie |
Taron Nait
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:08:00 -
[1783] - Quote
Keen Fallsword wrote:Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA.
ITT people who think the EULA should apply to real life. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:08:00 -
[1784] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:It is nothing personal against Alex or the Goons etc
Of all you things you've said, this one's the funniest, and I'm including you accusing Mittens of attempted murder in that list. Good show! |
Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
504
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:11:00 -
[1785] - Quote
Sing Xing wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: Damn, this is almost (almost) as disgusting as making a drunken, terrible joke about a guy killing himself. Using this to further your own petty political agenda is right up there with The Mittani himself. You should be ******* ashamed of yourself, it's obvious that you dont give a flying F about suicide-guy or cyber-bullying, but just desperately want to get Mittani out the CSM chair.
Hahaha of course that is the intent! Why would ANYONE want a morally deprived man who has singlehandedly brought multiple negative publicity on EVE Online in a single day, as CSM Chair, or let alone, allow him to seat in the CSM?
I have nothing against Goons. Prior to his unexplainable moral depravity, I respected Mittani the Great. He is one of the most articulate and crowd puller CCP can ever hope for. If he didn't commit this "scandal," I would've still respected him.
I am not fueled by my own "political agenda." I do this because I love EVE Online. |
Ayumi Hinoki
Shimai of New Eden
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:11:00 -
[1786] - Quote
Gerard Gendri wrote:Kill yourself.
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knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
92
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:12:00 -
[1787] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:
Indeed I'll be fully investigating claims that this is not the first time CCP have been complicite in driving someone to taking there life
I'm a psychic. I see your future will include locator agents, ganking, frustration, tears and being trolled. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:13:00 -
[1788] - Quote
The decision will be at CCP anyway...and it will be one based on legal issues and not on ethical or a "oh you haz been veeeeery bad to XY" decision. So stop the ******* drama here...
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Ayumi Hinoki
Shimai of New Eden
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:14:00 -
[1789] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
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HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:14:00 -
[1790] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
Indeed I'll be fully investigating claims that this is not the first time CCP have been complicite in driving someone to taking there life
I'm a psychic. I see your future will include locator agents, ganking, frustration, tears and being trolled. Wait. This isn't already happening? |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:15:00 -
[1791] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:I am not fueled by my own "political agenda." I do this because I love EVE Online.
You're going to have to post with your main if you want anyone to believe that for even a second. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:15:00 -
[1792] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote: Naaah, Prof A is just a very angry about suicide ganking looking at his posting history. Of course, that's totally irrelevant to his valiant quest to have OUR CEO jailed for attempted murder, and I'm sure any other alliance leader would be subject to a similar honoUrable crusade for justice.
Cant we just wardec him or is that cyberbullying too?
Probably, and now our Elite Lawyerperson (retired) is going to jail. What will we do? :ohdear: |
stavi shaushu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:15:00 -
[1793] - Quote
CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
66
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:16:00 -
[1794] - Quote
Solid Raiden wrote:Sarina Berghil wrote:Anyone can feel on top on the world while drunk, but it takes real balls to own up to it and write an apology like that. That is a commendable act Real balls? It takes 5 minutes writing some meaningless words on a paper. Nothing more. Apologizing is just another way of manipulating people. So after this, this and this, all of the sudden he is sorry and we should just accept it? Words are meaningless unless followed by actions.
Quoted for truth.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:16:00 -
[1795] - Quote
stavi shaushu wrote:CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player.
Sadly true |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
606
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:17:00 -
[1796] - Quote
Keen Fallsword wrote:Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA. If he was not logged in he could not violate the EULA....
Did he say it in game, or in person?
If talking smack like that(tasteless smack, but that still all it is) were something that a EULA could cover, then the microsoft eula would allow them to sue you for saying the Steve Ballmer is an a-hole(he is, just FYI, been saying it for years, and publicly, still no lawsuit).
Thing is, the language he used and attitudes he displayed are fairly common slang in eve-o, so RL rules on whats acceptable don't apply.(did you know that the word **** is an immediate ban in WOW... Unless you are talking about an in-game situation?)
This leaves the situation in a grey area. His behavior was acceptable as a internet spaceship pilot, its part of the game, but he displayed the behavior in real life... While at an event where everyone is basically 'in character' because its a bunch of internet spaceship nerds talking about internet spaceships. This leads to a situation where people who are simply watching have multiple, conflicting, behavioral cues to try to read and interpret, which means that something that was meant in the same way it is said hundreds of times on these forums, and thousands in-game, can be interpreted in a real-world context, leading to people thinking truly horrible things about someone who screwed up because he was drunk.
Lets repeat that. He was drunk, and he screwed up. The normal response in society for someone who screwed up because they were drunk the first time is to make them fix it if they show remorse, or punish them in a mild fashion to try to teach them remorse.
Of course, the normal response in eve if someone screws up because they were drunk is to tell them to take another shot. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:17:00 -
[1797] - Quote
Solid Raiden wrote:I won't pretend I'm some sort of moralist here asking for him to be punished for what he did. I don't really care. Was it appropriate? Not really, but then again in all honesty, who cares?
But I am having a laugh seeing Mittani squirm and would enjoy seeing his CSM chair burn.
A rare moment of honesty at the end of this Raiden dot post. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:17:00 -
[1798] - Quote
Taron Nait wrote:Keen Fallsword wrote:Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA. ITT people who think the EULA should apply to real life. Actually being that quiet often EULA's are non legal documents as some sections of them are generally void in different parts of the world saying it breaks the rules is kind of silly. Especially as it occurred outside of the game. This is more about the black eye CCP has now gotten and what their response needs to be to prevent opening them selves to law suits down the track. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:19:00 -
[1799] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: If he didn't commit this "scandal," I would've still respected him.
Please explain what scandal was committed because this stuff happens all the time in warfare and pvp and those people who are all worked up about this are nothing but butthurt carebears who do nothing but mission and mine and never pvp or people who just want to see Goons fail and burn who are nothing but hypocrites because they know they have done the same thing in game as well. |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:20:00 -
[1800] - Quote
I want to see a Music Vid with him in it or this apology means nothing.
Something Like This. |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
606
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:21:00 -
[1801] - Quote
stavi shaushu wrote:CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player. No, its a choice between CCPs reputation(which already shows a game like eve, and being famous for letting players hurt each other) and 8000+ players. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
606
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:22:00 -
[1802] - Quote
THIS!!!
Making him sing for his ransom is totally in keeping with EVE, and would make some of the best viewing in a long time! Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:22:00 -
[1803] - Quote
The Mittani's apology wrote: When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
The 'Deal with it' quote came at 16:01 on the 25th of March.
Two hours later, at 18:07, The Mittani seemed to have a pretty reasonable recall of the details of the event and had this to say:
The Mittani wrote: Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for.
Link
I'm struggling a bit with this. Is it really credible to suppose that the comments on the 25th are not actually representative of The Mittani's personal views on his actions (views which chime with those of most Goons still posting on this matter) and that he really didn't get reminded of what he said until two days later, at which point he was immediately filled with remorse? Or is it more plausible that the apology was completely empty and simply a calculated move to cool fires and minimise criticisms, spurred only by the degree of flak he was getting?
I toyed with making a new thread out of this but thought it would be better to just let it get buried in the current threadnaught, since it doesn't matter much either way. I would, however, be interested in whether any Goons think he was actually sincere. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
606
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:22:00 -
[1804] - Quote
snipe
Edit: Missed Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:23:00 -
[1805] - Quote
Drew Solaert wrote:An apology is good but it's not enough. Agreed. The line was crossed. The Chairman demonstrated he is not fit for post. One who acts on camera like a pompous, drunk, sneering court jester is not what the community needs from the figurehead that represents the interests of the playerbase. We have been badly let down and CCP must act. |
Cosmos Serendipity
BRAHMA CORP
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:24:00 -
[1806] - Quote
The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
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ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:25:00 -
[1807] - Quote
Princess Nana wrote:Drew Solaert wrote:An apology is good but it's not enough. Agreed. The line was crossed. The Chairman demonstrated he is not fit for post. One who acts on camera like a pompous, drunk, sneering court jester is not what the community needs from the figurehead that represents the interests of the playerbase. We have been badly let down and CCP must act.
If your post was a sentinent being it would take its own life. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:25:00 -
[1808] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
Indeed I'll be fully investigating claims that this is not the first time CCP have been complicite in driving someone to taking there life
I'm a psychic. I see your future will include locator agents, ganking, frustration, tears and being trolled.
'I thrive of danger' as the lryics to one of my favourite songs go
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:25:00 -
[1809] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Taron Nait wrote:Keen Fallsword wrote:Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA. ITT people who think the EULA should apply to real life. Actually being that quiet often EULA's are non legal documents as some sections of them are generally void in different parts of the world saying it breaks the rules is kind of silly. Especially as it occurred outside of the game. This is more about the black eye CCP has now gotten and what their response needs to be to prevent opening them selves to law suits down the track.
This is a valid thing, though I'm pretty sure CCP is pretty experienced with dealing with legal issues related to griefing. However that's pretty much for CCP's lawyers to figure out. It'll really suck if CCP has to disenfranchise 10000 subs to protect themselves, and if the game goes to **** because Mitanni isn't in the CSM then they'll lose subs there, but whatcha gonna do?
But uh, that's not something that any of the internet "experts" in this forum are really qualified to talk about, and the outcry from a select group of people seem to be around the fact that Mitanni is ~morally obligated~ to resign from a serious internet spaceships council because of behaving very inappropriately once, regardless of how honest his apology is. |
Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:26:00 -
[1810] - Quote
Vila eNorvic wrote:Elena Melkan wrote:In real life politics, politicians have been joking about much worse things and got away with it. In REAL LIFE. This is a (serious internet) game.
He didn't do it in game. He did on a live video stream. Get it? A LIVE video stream. In other words, REAL LIFE.
srry did what -- encouraged some people to gank him in game until he metaphorically 'kills himself' -- i mean lol
you seem to confused about the distinction between rl and the game - open your window and look outside - thats rl -
also - the number of people who send tear mails stating that their rl sucks when they get ganked is redicoulously high - if we decided to make a 'no gank list ' - we would end up with no one to shoot lol
stop cyber bullying the mittani - he might kill himself |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
433
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:26:00 -
[1811] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:If he was not logged in he could not violate the EULA....
Did he say it in game, or in person?
If talking smack like that(tasteless smack, but that still all it is) were something that a EULA could cover, then the microsoft eula would allow them to sue you for saying the Steve Ballmer is an a-hole(he is, just FYI, been saying it for years, and publicly, still no lawsuit).
Thing is, the language he used and attitudes he displayed are fairly common slang in eve-o, so RL rules on whats acceptable don't apply.(did you know that the word **** is an immediate ban in WOW... Unless you are talking about an in-game situation?)
This leaves the situation in a grey area. His behavior was acceptable as a internet spaceship pilot, its part of the game, but he displayed the behavior in real life... While at an event where everyone is basically 'in character' because its a bunch of internet spaceship nerds talking about internet spaceships. This leads to a situation where people who are simply watching have multiple, conflicting, behavioral cues to try to read and interpret, which means that something that was meant in the same way it is said hundreds of times on these forums, and thousands in-game, can be interpreted in a real-world context, leading to people thinking truly horrible things about someone who screwed up because he was drunk.
Lets repeat that. He was drunk, and he screwed up. The normal response in society for someone who screwed up because they were drunk the first time is to make them fix it if they show remorse, or punish them in a mild fashion to try to teach them remorse.
Of course, the normal response in eve if someone screws up because they were drunk is to tell them to take another shot.
Matters not that he was at the Panel as Alliance Leader and not 'as' the Chair. The point is he IS the Chair NO MATTER WHAT extraneous situations he finds himself in.
The President does not stop being President when he becomes "average Joe Golf Player' on the weekend. The 'Hat' does not go away just because the President is having a beer with the United Steel Workers....that does not in any way give him permission to make sexist jokes among them, as they will do.
...and at this point CCP and Sony will not tolerate even the CHANCE of something even remoteluy similar happening again. I bet New Rules are coming down, and the game we knew is having it's last few weeks.
As the Goon Mantra above says : "Our goal is not to destroy the game. At the end of the day, our goal is to destroy your game."
Sir mittani, you have succeeded beyond your wildest expectations I'm afraid.
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:26:00 -
[1812] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Princess Nana wrote:Drew Solaert wrote:An apology is good but it's not enough. Agreed. The line was crossed. The Chairman demonstrated he is not fit for post. One who acts on camera like a pompous, drunk, sneering court jester is not what the community needs from the figurehead that represents the interests of the playerbase. We have been badly let down and CCP must act. If your post was a sentinent being it would take its own life. Deal with it~ |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:26:00 -
[1813] - Quote
look at everyone trying so hard |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
48
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:27:00 -
[1814] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Taron Nait wrote:Keen Fallsword wrote:Its not about this poor guy anymore its about rules. Rules are Rules you should't be breaking EULA. ITT people who think the EULA should apply to real life. Actually being that quiet often EULA's are non legal documents as some sections of them are generally void in different parts of the world saying it breaks the rules is kind of silly. Especially as it occurred outside of the game. This is more about the black eye CCP has now gotten and what their response needs to be to prevent opening them selves to law suits down the track.
I think that we should wait for CCP opinion Im not the expert. I think Mittani is doing great job for this game many ppl (me included) love fly in CFC its fun etc. But saying and laughing about poor guy in public, acting like a rock star or/and jerk... well.. its not cool .. Imagine that you are at this guy place, you are watching fan fest stream and boom ! Its not "nice"..
And believe me im not carebear etc. "polite" guy in the game..
thats all |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
610
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:28:00 -
[1815] - Quote
Cosmos Serendipity wrote:The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?) Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:28:00 -
[1816] - Quote
CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:29:00 -
[1817] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves Or that they dont give a **** like the rest of the eve community |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:30:00 -
[1818] - Quote
Hold up, his wife got cancer aswell? Thats way too sad to be true.
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Darius Shakor
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:30:00 -
[1819] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Personally I would still rather you stepped down as an apology can be faked or at least taken as being a simple token to avoid consequences for your actions.
Reading this, I will simply chose to take you at your word of genuine remorse over this but cannot bring myself to muster any respect for you still, because of so much more I have seen from you anyway which dulls my impression of you.
You say you are not like this in your real life and that has never really cut it for me as you have the capability to do what you do over the internet and clearly it bleeds into the real world. That alone make me think people like you in game have an attitude out of game that lends themselves to such behaviour. And it is easy on the internet, where you have the most effective mask, to let yourself be an ass. But for myself an the majority of the player base we only see your internet personality and social interaction over the net is just as valid a measure of your character as a person as real life interactions are. So expect people with no idea of your real life to chose to find it hard to measure your 'true' self.
I don't see myself buying you any beers if we ever have the luxury of sharing the same air. But you have at least taken the step to apologise so you get some small token credit for that in my impressions of you. Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:30:00 -
[1820] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves
The last thing CCP or anyone should ever do is take advice from you on how to conduct themselves. |
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:30:00 -
[1821] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote: Hahaha of course that is the intent! Why would ANYONE want a morally deprived man who has singlehandedly brought multiple negative publicity on EVE Online in a single day, as CSM Chair, or let alone, allow him to seat in the CSM?
I have nothing against Goons. Prior to his unexplainable moral depravity, I respected Mittani the Great. He is one of the most articulate and crowd puller CCP can ever hope for. If he didn't commit this "scandal," I would've still respected him.
I am not fueled by my own "political agenda." I do this because I love EVE Online.
MULTIPLE NEGATIVE PUBLICITY |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:31:00 -
[1822] - Quote
Solid Raiden wrote:Real balls? It takes 5 minutes writing some meaningless words on a paper. Nothing more. Apologizing is just another way of manipulating people. So after this, this and this, all of the sudden he is sorry and we should just accept it? Words are meaningless unless followed by actions.
I was raised that an appology takes more strength than saying nothing. However I was also raised that an appology should be just "I am sorry for ....." too many words or the word "but" and it becomes an excuse. Different people are raised diferently and even as cycnical as I am I would not be so quick to discount one.
You are however contradicting yourself. If as you say "words are meaningless unless followed by actions" then the words that started this off are also meaningles unless he did hat he said others should do. It is a logical follow through from what you have said. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:31:00 -
[1823] - Quote
Ban all npc characters from posting in the forums and revert all their posts to the main account and you will see most people actually taking a hard stance on this are people who were very opposed to mittens getting eleted or people most hurt by the titan nerf |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:31:00 -
[1824] - Quote
stavi shaushu wrote:CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player.
What it hs done for the reputation of Eve is irrelevant. The only thing that matters in this case is the rules and any other things he has agreed to as a CSM and as a speaker at the event. Those are what CCP should look at when looking into this. If he broke the rules then he gets the appropriate sanction, if he did not then he does not get punished pure and simple.
I found what he did abhorant, by the way and as I am new I was not one of the people rushing to his defence. I said basically the same in the other thread.
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Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:31:00 -
[1825] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves
you have a lot of opinions - most of them are wrong - that must be painful to live with everyday |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:32:00 -
[1826] - Quote
I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
610
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:33:00 -
[1827] - Quote
Memrox wrote:Hold up, his wife got cancer aswell? Thats way too sad to be true.
Yup, if I remember correctly(was pretty drunk myself when I watched it, and am at work can't find the reference) his email said she had cancer, was blind, and had just left him.
As you said, too sad to be true. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:33:00 -
[1828] - Quote
Master Andrew wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves you have a lot of opinions - most of them are wrong - that must be painful to live with everyday
also i keep forgetting ( but it seems so cruel) learn to spell - your a disgrace to the eve community |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:33:00 -
[1829] - Quote
Memrox wrote:Hold up, his wife got cancer aswell? Thats way too sad to be true.
Probably because it isn't true. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:34:00 -
[1830] - Quote
Master Andrew wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:CCP have still not publicly published a statement regarding this , this seems unwise not to disavow and dissaciate themselves you have a lot of opinions - most of them are wrong - that must be painful to live with everyday
Perhaps I'm just masochistic like that
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Memrox
Memrox Corp
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:34:00 -
[1831] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Memrox wrote:Hold up, his wife got cancer aswell? Thats way too sad to be true.
Yup, if I remember correctly(was pretty drunk myself when I watched it, and am at work can't find the reference) his email said she had cancer, was blind, and had just left him. As you said, too sad to be true.
Yeh im calling bullshit on this one, thats just waaay too much sadness. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:34:00 -
[1832] - Quote
If people want mittens to sing an apology on fireside mumble, I'm all for it! :V: |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
432
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:34:00 -
[1833] - Quote
Darius Shakor wrote:[ Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life.
If he does not step down voluntarily, Sony, through CCP, WILL make sure it happens.
These people seem to not understand that at this point for CCP this is an INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS, FIRST....a game, second.
Sony does not think its bank account or reputation is funny at all, or this situation. I promise that is for realz and true. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:35:00 -
[1834] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Cosmos Serendipity wrote:The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?)
Yet 13 year olds can sign the eula, and are still not of full majority
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
295
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:36:00 -
[1835] - Quote
Princess Nana wrote:Drew Solaert wrote:An apology is good but it's not enough. Agreed. The line was crossed. The Chairman demonstrated he is not fit for post. One who acts on camera like a pompous, drunk, sneering court jester is not what the community needs from the figurehead that represents the interests of the playerbase. We have been badly let down and CCP must act. You had your chances to elect someone else but since you din't take that chance you are now jumping in on this to try to force him out of his elected chair?
This thread alone represent more abuse than Mittens stupid on the spur of the moment remark in the Q&A at fanfest.
You may not like him but he has 10k voters that count on him in the CSM.
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:36:00 -
[1836] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs.
It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:36:00 -
[1837] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Cosmos Serendipity wrote:The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?) Yet 13 year olds can sign the eula, and are still not of full majority
Most Eula-¦s are not legal anyway...so screw them |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
679
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:37:00 -
[1838] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darius Shakor wrote:[ Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life. If he does not step down voluntarily, Sony, through CCP, WILL make sure it happens. These people seem to not understand that at this point for CCP this is an INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS, FIRST....a game, second. Sony does not think its bank account or reputation is funny at all, or this situation. I promise that is for realz and true.
When I grow up can I be as stupid as you? |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:37:00 -
[1839] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas.
I'm of a diffent mind as the authrity here CCP refuse to act upon threat to life, then they should be judged by there peers
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:38:00 -
[1840] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:You had your chances to elect someone else but since you din't take that chance you are now jumping in on this to try to force him out of his elected chair?
THIS.....is the dumbest response here. PERIOD. They VOTED for someone else....................good God, alcohol really does destroy the mind. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:38:00 -
[1841] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Darius Shakor wrote:[ Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life. If he does not step down voluntarily, Sony, through CCP, WILL make sure it happens. These people seem to not understand that at this point for CCP this is an INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS, FIRST....a game, second. Sony does not think its bank account or reputation is funny at all, or this situation. I promise that is for realz and true. When I grow up can I be as stupid as you?
Seems you'll likel;y be stupider gratz
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
434
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:39:00 -
[1842] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote: When I grow up can I be as stupid as you?
HE ADMITS IT !!!
OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
610
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:40:00 -
[1843] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Cosmos Serendipity wrote:The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?) Yet 13 year olds can sign the eula, and are still not of full majority At least in the US, no document signed by anyone under 18 is legally binding, because minors are legally defined as mentally incompetent. Sorry! Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:41:00 -
[1844] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas.
The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game.
The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:41:00 -
[1845] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Cosmos Serendipity wrote:The main problem with the current situation is that with new laws being added to the books (At least in the U.S.) the legal ramifications have to also be taken into effect, even if goons don't see it that way, and CCP also has to take things like this into concideration. Just look up [url]http://www.violencepreventionworks.org/public/bullying_laws.page[/url] if the person is in an area that recognizes "Cyber-bullying" this could create some issues for both Mittens and CCP since he is a space ship politician for them.
I'm not bashing anyone, but people have to think about these things. I personally don't want to see anyone sued over drunk/ dumb comments.
Those laws are for the protection of Minors. The Wis was clearly not(he was married long enough for his wife to get cancer and leave him over it, remember?) Yet 13 year olds can sign the eula, and are still not of full majority At least in the US, no document signed by anyone under 18 is legally binding, because minors are legally defined as mentally incompetent. Sorry!
Diffrent in the UK and no need to apologise for you ignorance, learning is good fun
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:42:00 -
[1846] - Quote
Darius Shakor wrote:The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Personally I would still rather you stepped down as an apology can be faked or at least taken as being a simple token to avoid consequences for your actions. Reading this, I will simply chose to take you at your word of genuine remorse over this but cannot bring myself to muster any respect for you still, because of so much more I have seen from you anyway which dulls my impression of you. You say you are not like this in your real life and that has never really cut it for me as you have the capability to do what you do over the internet and clearly it bleeds into the real world. That alone make me think people like you in game have an attitude out of game that lends themselves to such behaviour. And it is easy on the internet, where you have the most effective mask, to let yourself be an ass. But for myself an the majority of the player base we only see your internet personality and social interaction over the net is just as valid a measure of your character as a person as real life interactions are. So expect people with no idea of your real life to chose to find it hard to measure your 'true' self. I don't see myself buying you any beers if we ever have the luxury of sharing the same air. But you have at least taken the step to apologise so you get some small token credit for that in my impressions of you. Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life.
The **** do you care, mongoloid? He didn't insult your ******* ancestors. You dont care in the slightest about the person who was actually wronged. Worthless, self-entitled fucks like you coming in here and acting like he owes you something.
Go mine your Veldspar. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:42:00 -
[1847] - Quote
Also can we just make this clear: Sony isn't going to do ****. This isn't even a blip in the radar for anyone other than forum posters. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:42:00 -
[1848] - Quote
Daviclond wrote: The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game.
The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.
goon drivel OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:42:00 -
[1849] - Quote
(your titans are still getting nerfed) |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
295
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:42:00 -
[1850] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Lexmana wrote:You had your chances to elect someone else but since you din't take that chance you are now jumping in on this to try to force him out of his elected chair?
THIS.....is the dumbest response here. PERIOD. They VOTED for someone else....................good God, alcohol really does destroy the mind. How do you know what 'they' voted for? I guess you didn't vote for Mittens ... maybe you didn't even vote at all. |
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:43:00 -
[1851] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Daviclond wrote: The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game.
The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.
goon drivel
Do you have anything constructive to add? Mods? |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 12:43:00 -
[1852] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game. The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.
I can hear you crying *please God* while posting that particular nugget of wisdom
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:43:00 -
[1853] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. I'm of a diffent mind as the authrity here CCP refuse to act upon threat to life, then they should be judged by there peers
I have no problem with CCP getting a public kicking over this, although I don't particularly desire it. However, whilst I think that what The Mittani did was a very unfortunate thing to do in the context of a social game, and whilst I think there should be consequences for it within the game to discourage such behaviour, I don't think it is a sufficiently bad thing to warrant the god-awful intrusion into his real life that will follow if the regular media get hold of the story. Alex is a person too (a nasty, unpleasant person who takes pleasure in causing others suffering - sure) and I just don't see his getting RL grief for this to be a positive outcome.
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:43:00 -
[1854] - Quote
Well I'm in two minds about this. It's good that Mittani apologised, although it's debatable whether it was genuine or forced, considering his belligerence before the SHTF on all major gaming websites. Around 90% of posts on MMO forums I've looked at have been negative and EVE has earnt itself pariah status, and not in a good way. At this point, I'm not comfortable logging in. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
[1855] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:
When I grow up can I be as stupid as you?
Seems you'll likel;y be stupider gratz
Hardly possible ...
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
[1856] - Quote
This is all so ridiculous. If this guy has problems in his life....his problem If he needs to run 22 Eve accounts and wondes that his wife leaves him...his problem If he links pictures of her in his Bio this is just VERY strange...VERY CREAPY...his Bio reads like....the worst piece of social pornography ever...# ever.
Ban this guy! |
Anela Cistine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
142
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
[1857] - Quote
stavi shaushu wrote:CCP should clearly assess how this case can (and already is) damage reputation of Eve online and its community in the eyes of the outside world if no real actions are taken against the Mittani. Choice is between CCP's reputation (profit) and a single Eve player.
Not a single eve player, a single eve player and several CCP employees. A player acting like a jerk is not their fault, but they are responsible for creating an environment where that is acceptable, for not stopping it when it was happening, and for broadcasting the bad behaviour to the public.
- There was a CCP moderator there who said nothing, even after Alex revealed "the Wis" character name. If the moderator isn't going to moderate rules violations and/or cyber bullying, what is the point of having him there? Was the moderator intimidated by the skinny drunkard?
- CCP employees also got to preview the slides, and apparently had no objections. They did not know in advance that Alex would get carried away in the moment and suggest other players should use locator agents to find the Wis and blow him up, but they did know about the "suicidal" evemail and the general tone of the presentation.
- There were the CCP staff running the stream. They could have bleeped out the name, but didn't. Even when rerun, the name is clearly audible. Without the recording and broadcast, how many people physically in the audience would have remembered the name?
If rules were broken, CCP staffers were accomplices. If heads will roll, several of those heads should be CCP employees. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
[1858] - Quote
Jonathan Malcom wrote:The **** do you care, mongoloid? He didn't insult your ******* ancestors. You dont care in the slightest about the person who was actually wronged. Worthless, self-entitled fucks like you coming in here and acting like he owes you something.
Go mine your Veldspar.
shadow goon drivel OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Uncle Jon
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
[1859] - Quote
Enemies of Goons and their Empire alts are so mad. Post with your mains, you bunch of cowards. Unless you're afraid that we'll make fun of you in local and quote your pubbie tears in local next time we destroy your fleet, of course. By which, you should have a backbone and do it anyways. I would. vOv |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
49
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
[1860] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani's apology wrote: When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
The 'Deal with it' quote came at 16:01 on the 25th of March.Two hours later, at 18:07, The Mittani seemed to have a pretty reasonable recall of the details of the event and had this to say: The Mittani wrote: Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for.
LinkI'm struggling a bit with this. Is it really credible to suppose that the comments on the 25th are not actually representative of The Mittani's personal views on his actions (views which chime with those of most Goons still posting on this matter) and that he really didn't get reminded of what he said until two days later, at which point he was immediately filled with remorse? Or is it more plausible that the apology was completely empty and simply a calculated move to cool fires and minimise criticisms, spurred only by the degree of flak he was getting? I toyed with making a new thread out of this but thought it would be better to just let it get buried in the current threadnaught, since it doesn't matter much either way. I would, however, be interested in whether any Goons think he was actually sincere.
Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding. Are goons till posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him. It was either wrong, or it wasnt. If it wasnt, and he beleives that, then he should retract his apology. If it was, then why the hell is he letting goons continue to post and defend him and his actions, particulalrly on the grounds they are using, which run counter to his position as stated in his apology.They all see it as a non incident, or rather that the guy doesnt have the reight to play in the first place and shouldnt be playing if he is so thin skinned.
Really, their behaviour is no different that it normally is, they deball and depants whoever they can, including those who are indignant. somewhere though, in the back of their minds it may begin to start to daewn on a few of them that the mainstream media is picking up this story, it'sd all over the gaming community, and they may begin to realize that reasonable objective people with no ax to grind can look at this from the outside and see how completely A to Z ****** this whole thing is. If the Mittani was wrong, then now they are all wrong.
The soulless sell their souls for a game. I should be shocked, but I guess they werent using them anyway. |
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Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
511
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
[1861] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game. The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.
Nope. Mittani the Great is going to be dismissed and hopefully, he will be never eligible to run as CSM ever again.
We are not asking Mittani the Great to resign out of political gain. We do this because we love and care about EVE Online. Once Mittani the Great spitted out his nonsensical rambling during the Fanfest, he let all us know that he has no respect for the game or for anyone else, but himself. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
[1862] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. I'm of a diffent mind as the authrity here CCP refuse to act upon threat to life, then they should be judged by there peers I have no problem with CCP getting a public kicking over this, although I don't particularly desire it. However, whilst I think that what The Mittani did was a very unfortunate thing to do in the context of a social game, and whilst I think there should be consequences for it within the game to discourage such behaviour, I don't think it is a sufficiently bad thing to warrant the god-awful intrusion into his real life that will follow if the regular media get hold of the story. Alex is a person too (a nasty, unpleasant person who takes pleasure in causing others suffering - sure) and I just don't see his getting RL grief for this to be a positive outcome.
He pursued 'Fame' ingame it might spill into the Real world, nothing anyone can do relly now
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:44:00 -
[1863] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. I'm of a diffent mind as the authrity here CCP refuse to act upon threat to life, then they should be judged by there peers I swear your grammar gets worse by the minute and less understandable.... Do us all a favor a kill yourself |
Le Cardinal
Spricer Raiden.
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:45:00 -
[1864] - Quote
As far as me concerned that looks like a decent enough apology. He probably should step down as chairman for the sake of the community and not to silence the drivel from vultures. Wether he remains a CMS or not i dont really care about.
If its a troll, its a good one. Personally i dont think it is. |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:45:00 -
[1865] - Quote
Right if Mittens steps down, vote for me and I will take over.
Some benefits of my control, sorry I mean leadership.
Key Factors of my administration are as follows;
All bullying will be removed from the game, IRL aswell and a new EULA will be drafted for this. For carebears, Wars will be removed and High-Sec will be extended to Low-Sec with a new name, Care-Sec. Goons will be removed, and all of their stuff I will has. This is all, please vote for me.
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:45:00 -
[1866] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:
I can hear you crying *please God* while posting that particular nugget of wisdom
Okay, how about we wait a week and continue this discussion? The story will have whimpered out, Mittani will still be on the CSM and I'll be smug as hell. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
436
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:45:00 -
[1867] - Quote
Anela Cistine wrote:
- There was a CCP moderator there who said nothing, even after Alex revealed "the Wis" character name. If the moderator isn't going to moderate rules violations and/or cyber bullying, what is the point of having him there? Was the moderator intimidated by the skinny drunkard?
- CCP employees also got to preview the slides, and apparently had no objections. They did not know in advance that Alex would get carried away in the moment and suggest other players should use locator agents to find the Wis and blow him up, but they did know about the "suicidal" evemail and the general tone of the presentation.
- There were the CCP staff running the stream. They could have bleeped out the name, but didn't. Even when rerun, the name is clearly audible. Without the recording and broadcast, how many people physically in the audience would have remembered the name?
If rules were broken, CCP staffers were accomplices. If heads will roll, several of those heads should be CCP employees.
goon drivel OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
102
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:46:00 -
[1868] - Quote
seriously? an apology? |
ISquishWorms
108
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:46:00 -
[1869] - Quote
This is not ok!! Something similar to this happened before on JTV.
"The teenager took an overdose of pills while on camera and was apparently encouraged to do so by commentators on Justin.tv and a bodybuilding site, according to the report" source |
Simvastatin Montelukast
Irregular Warfare Mean Coalition
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:46:00 -
[1870] - Quote
Hmm, Did you break any part of the EULA?
Seems like we need a response from CCP here. |
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VaL Iscariot
The Concilium Enterprises Spectrum Alliance
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:47:00 -
[1871] - Quote
Seriously, this thread is still going on? Who has even read all this crap?
Mittens made a mistake, while drunk. Apologized to the community (which wasn't needed imo but whiny cearbears gonna whine) and privately apologized to "The Mackinaw Pilot."
I have no real opinion on Goonswarm or its CEO, but I take everything that comes from them with a grain of salt. Him stepping down from the CSM would be ******** and if you unsub because he doesn't(won't) then good riddance to bad rubbish I say. One less idiot grinding incursions/missions/mining and never pvp'ing.
As a wiser man then me once said,
"deal with it~" |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
34
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:47:00 -
[1872] - Quote
Jonathan Malcom wrote:The **** do you care, mongoloid? He didn't insult your ******* ancestors. You dont care in the slightest about the person who was actually wronged. Worthless, self-entitled fucks like you coming in here and acting like he owes you something.
Go mine your Veldspar. You seem to be very angry over things posted in a forum, to do with internet spaceships and the CSM. You might like to have a lye down or a cup of tea. Just relax. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
436
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:47:00 -
[1873] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Do you have anything constructive to add? Mods?
EXACTLY, SIR. I FEEL THE SAME WAY OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:47:00 -
[1874] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Daviclond wrote:I don't really see anybody outside of eve caring about this issue, unless you have a personal bias against Mittens the story doesn't really have any legs. It's all over the gaming media and since cyber-bullying is a hot news issue in the UK and US at least it is the kind of thing that could easily seep into the mainstream. I really hope it doesn't though but it is the kind of thing people outside eve care about because it can be fitted into a bunch of neat little boxes and exploited in pursuit of a variety of obnoxious agendas. The story doesn't have the legs to go further than the few detail-scarce stories already up there. The offender has apologised, the victim has said he doesn't care (and gotten pretty rich) and there's nowhere else to go with it. Cyber bullying is typically referring to kids at school being hounded by bullies and then harrassed when they return home, it doesn't encompass a 30-something year old man getting blown up in an internet spaceship game. The story doesn't matter anywhere except the echo chamber of the eveo forums, where everyone who would like to see Mittani shot down are desperately posting that it must be so.
To twist this knife of grey further, if you really want to class cyber-bullying, then EVE online itself is a cyber-bullying game. Think about it, you find a target, blow him up, keep tabs on him and repeatedly blow him up. By 'common sense', this is merely griefing. But to the carebears here baying for Mittani's blood, it might as well be classed as cyber-bullying as well.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
427
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:47:00 -
[1875] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
I can hear you crying *please God* while posting that particular nugget of wisdom
Okay, how about we wait a week and continue this discussion? The story will have whimpered out, Mittani will still be on the CSM and I'll be smug as hell.
Deal in 7 days then , I'll only forget though so be sure to be in touch
/edit sorry just thought on unlikely I'll be playing then if thats the case.....
But if so I'll just assume your happy and smug that people should be able to drive others to suicide over 0 an 1's on some server
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
stavi shaushu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:50:00 -
[1876] - Quote
If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:51:00 -
[1877] - Quote
stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP. Here we go again with all this legal ultimatums again -_- |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
295
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:51:00 -
[1878] - Quote
stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
And I could start legal actions against you ... but what is the point? |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:51:00 -
[1879] - Quote
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote: Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding. Are goons still posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him.
Its almost as if they're real people with their own opinions. Shocking I know. |
Camios
Minmatar Bread Corporation
79
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:53:00 -
[1880] - Quote
This is a terrible bad figure, but the apology is good.
The mittani is a freaking bastard, but a great CSM with a lot of charisma; it is really unfortunate that he said those things during the alliance panel since it's hit the whole EVE online gaming community.
I hope that he does not resign, but he must behave because the risk here is to delegitimate the whole CSM. |
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ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:54:00 -
[1881] - Quote
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding. Are goons still posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him. It was either wrong, or it wasnt. If it wasnt, and he beleives that, then he should retract his apology. If it was, then why the hell is he letting goons continue to post and defend him and his actions, particulalrly on the grounds they are using, which run counter to his position as stated in his apology? They all see it as a non incident, or rather that the guy doesnt have the right to play in the first place and shouldnt be playing if he is so thin skinned. Really, their behavior is no different that it normally is, they deball and depants whoever they can, including those who are indignant. somewhere though, in the back of their minds it may begin to start to dawn on a few of them that the mainstream media is picking up this story, it'sd all over the gaming community, and they may begin to realize that reasonable objective people with no ax to grind can look at this from the outside and see how completely A to Z ****** this whole thing is. If the Mittani was wrong, then now they are all wrong. The soulless sell their souls for a game. I should be shocked, but I guess they weren't using them anyway.
If our Space Stalin told us to kill ourselves we would gladly take our own lives in his honoUr. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:54:00 -
[1882] - Quote
stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.
Do you EVEN know the victim? As In know him in real life?
For all we know, the sob story he sent to us may of been a lie. Maybe he is actually a 12 year old kid living in his basement who was worried that, by losing his ships constantly, he needed to think up of a daring lie. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:54:00 -
[1883] - Quote
stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.
VIctim of what? Of losing a Mackinaw?
A victim of losing a record in some database, a.k.a. "internet spaceship pixels" ? |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:54:00 -
[1884] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote: To twist this knife of grey further, if you really want to class cyber-bullying, then EVE online itself is a cyber-bullying game. Think about it, you find a target, blow him up, keep tabs on him and repeatedly blow him up. By 'common sense', this is merely griefing. But to the carebears here baying for Mittani's blood, it might as well be classed as cyber-bullying as well.
How the media ends up (ab)using it doesn't really depend on what it 'is', so much as on what it can be presented as. And if they do pick it up it will certainly be presented in the context of cyber-bullying as this is a term currently much beloved by the media. In the UK at least, this rubric is not restricted to stuff involving kids but the additional dimension of it happening in a 'game' is bound to reinforce the 'think of the children!' aspect of any story. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:55:00 -
[1885] - Quote
stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.
I think the plaintiff and defendant have settled out of court already, sorry |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:55:00 -
[1886] - Quote
stavi shaushu wrote:If CCP does not do anything, the victim could start legal actions and sue both Alex Gianturco and CCP.
EDIT. It will not be about internet spaceships then.
I could start a legal action tomorrow, it means nothing. It has to make it past checks and balances before it even gets near a court. Even if it does the judge can throw it out if he or she decides it still has no merrit in law.
Starting legal actions is easy, carrying them through to the end however is not. |
Aiifa
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
35
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:55:00 -
[1887] - Quote
Headerman wrote:Ustrello wrote:notice people who are taking the hard stance on this issue are either high sec pubbies or people who are getting their pimp mobiles nerfed Notice how easily it could have swung the other way and ended witht he guy dead by his own hand because he was told by a tonne of people to do so?
There's no past propensity or trend for this to happen. The Wis hasn't ever successfully committed suicide.
But he's made mad space-cash threatening to do so. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
429
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:56:00 -
[1888] - Quote
What happens if the legal authorities are unhappy with CCP's discharge of there responsbilities in this
He may finally achieve his aim
And F up the game
TQ- closed
/edit screwing fish , while smoking hookers and eating blow just might not help this time
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Sidias
SQUINGEL Hades.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:56:00 -
[1889] - Quote
I never saw the live feed of the Alliance Panel, although I did read some of the posts and just thought it was Mittani being a general drunk on Stage that they were complaining about however after actually watching the Alliance Panel on YouTube I was utterly disgusted and quite frankly shocked that CCP allowed it to happen. The CSM is meant to be a representation of the EvE player base and I was really disappointed in what I saw in all of them let alone what Mittani done on stage. Is this now a true representation of what EvE has descended into ? Is EvE full of eilitists who troll and scam as much as they can to ruin someone else's games ?
I have been to Fanfest so i know that most of the time is spent drinking and such as I done it myself and I saw how even CCP encouraged the drinking on stage. However this was going way over the mark. You can drink and still be respectful to each other but things went way in the wrong direction. Mittani has brought some good to the game but this time I feel he has let the players, CCP and himself down. The only way I can see this being rectified is for Mittani to step down from the CSM entirely. The whole process is flawed anyway and I don't see the majority of the player base being represented by the CSM. It mainly comes down to who can acquire the most votes and as Goons are involved in the largest coalition it didn't surprise me that Mittani made chairman again. I would seriously consider my position with the coalition if the leader had done this to EvE although let's be honest the only people in the CFC coalition are people that like to be on the winning side and don't really care that Goons are the most hated alliance in the game. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
296
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:58:00 -
[1890] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:What happens if the legal authorities are unhappy with CCP's discharge of there responsbilities in this
He may finally achieve his aim
And F up the game
TQ- closed Your brain is melting. Seriously. If you continue like this for much longer you might have to biomass just to get rid of the shame. |
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JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
16
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:58:00 -
[1891] - Quote
VaL Iscariot wrote:
Mittens made a mistake, while drunk. Apologized to the community (which wasn't needed imo but whiny cearbears gonna whine) and privately apologized to "The Mackinaw Pilot."
I don't think you understand the issues. Mittens is an elected representative of the EVE players. He's elected chair because he has the Goon block vote, but there are still a lot of us who voted for him because we thought he'd better the game. Bare in mind this is a game that already has a bad reputation for griefing - one must of us can live with, because we accept, EVE is hard.
Roll on Fanfest - a massive publicity event run by CCP - and he takes to the stage and giving a presentation (which I guess he prepared sober) he encouraged people to grief a player about out-of-game issues. There's not level at which this sort of cyber bullying was going to play out well.
It was foolish, and it has already garnered our game a lot of bad press in the gaming media. That's why he has to go. And that's nothing to do with whiny carebears whining. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
223
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:59:00 -
[1892] - Quote
Everyone who unironically posted in this thread should go kill themselves. |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:59:00 -
[1893] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:What happens if the legal authorities are unhappy with CCP's discharge of there responsbilities in this
He may finally achieve his aim
And F up the game
TQ- closed Again with your bad posting Kill yourself already |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:59:00 -
[1894] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote: To twist this knife of grey further, if you really want to class cyber-bullying, then EVE online itself is a cyber-bullying game. Think about it, you find a target, blow him up, keep tabs on him and repeatedly blow him up. By 'common sense', this is merely griefing. But to the carebears here baying for Mittani's blood, it might as well be classed as cyber-bullying as well.
How the media ends up (ab)using it doesn't really depend on what it 'is', so much as on what it can be presented as. And if they do pick it up it will certainly be presented in the context of cyber-bullying as this is a term currently much beloved by the media. In the UK at least, this rubric is not restricted to stuff involving kids but the additional dimension of it happening in a 'game' is bound to reinforce the 'think of the children!' aspect of any story.
Pretty much. I am from the UK as well and the 'cyber-bullying' craze has really been picking up pace, with all that stuff about facebook and what not. That is why when I compare what is classed as 'cyber-bullying' to what we consider as 'griefing', then the grey line is really that much more grey. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK will ban all MMO's with the way they wish to 'protect' their children from anything 'wrong.'
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:59:00 -
[1895] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:How the media ends up (ab)using it doesn't really depend on what it 'is', so much as on what it can be presented as. And if they do pick it up it will certainly be presented in the context of cyber-bullying as this is a term currently much beloved by the media. In the UK at least, this rubric is not restricted to stuff involving kids but the additional dimension of it happening in a 'game' is bound to reinforce the 'think of the children!' aspect of any story.
The media isn't going to run with a story of a 47 year old man (according to his in-game bio) getting kind-of-sort-of-not-really bullied in a video game that nobody outside of the gaming community has even heard of. There's no press there, nothing to grab onto, especially not with The Wis himself not being too keen on reliving and rehashing that part of his life (think about why he has yet to post in any of these threads - it's probably not a fun thing for him to talk about if it's true, and if it's all made up, then yeah). |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
429
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Posted - 2012.03.27 12:59:00 -
[1896] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:What happens if the legal authorities are unhappy with CCP's discharge of there responsbilities in this
He may finally achieve his aim
And F up the game
TQ- closed Your brain is melting. Seriously. If you continue like this for much longer you might have to biomass just to get rid of the shame.
Na I'm good I can live with it
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:00:00 -
[1897] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:How the media ends up (ab)using it doesn't really depend on what it 'is', so much as on what it can be presented as. And if they do pick it up it will certainly be presented in the context of cyber-bullying as this is a term currently much beloved by the media. In the UK at least, this rubric is not restricted to stuff involving kids but the additional dimension of it happening in a 'game' is bound to reinforce the 'think of the children!' aspect of any story.
Like they did with the game Manhunt, I think that was the name of the game anyway. It was removed from the shelves of all stores after a boy got killed and the killer, himself a child, was said to own the game and that is what led to the murder. It turned out however that they boy who was killed owned the game and not the killer and so they reappeared on the shelf and the story died down.
To the one who said bullying, and cyber bullying mostly, concerned children. Incorrect bullying can happen to adults too. People who tend to say bullying is not worth the fuss are the ones who bullied or were not victims to bullying but bystanders. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
502
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:00:00 -
[1898] - Quote
The Mittani #1 Posted: 2012.03.27 00:09
Last post Posted: 2012.03.27 12:55
Hmm, barely 13 hours and Mitty (May I call him Mitty?) spawned quite a threadnaught.
So I have to ask CCP...
When are you going to nerf Threadnaughts?
Come on everyone, lets get this Capital Post nerfed into oblivion. Its getting to many hits to the OP's post, obviously its not supposed to get hit that many times.
. . . . . .
What? Too soon ? After the titans, thought everyone was ready for another round of anti-cap nuking |
KFenn
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
173
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:01:00 -
[1899] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:I don't think you understand the issues. Mittens is an elected representative of the EVE players. He's elected chair because he has the Goon block vote, but there are still a lot of us who voted for him because we thought he'd better the game.
He wasn't acting in an official capacity though. He was there as the leader of Goonswarm, a well established alliance of well-known douchebags.
Also, 10K votes. He'd likely be chair without the Goon vote. Commanding Officer of the Treacle Tart Brigade SLAPD Director |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:01:00 -
[1900] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Lexmana wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:What happens if the legal authorities are unhappy with CCP's discharge of there responsbilities in this
He may finally achieve his aim
And F up the game
TQ- closed Your brain is melting. Seriously. If you continue like this for much longer you might have to biomass just to get rid of the shame. Na I'm good I can live with it Just kill yourself and biomass for the greater good of eve |
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
296
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:01:00 -
[1901] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:It was foolish, and it has already garnered our game a lot of bad press in the gaming media. That's why he has to go. And that's nothing to do with whiny carebears whining.
You don't get it. He has to stay. He owe it to the 10k voters that elected him.
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Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
66
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:01:00 -
[1902] - Quote
Apology aside, what is done cannot be undone. It took several days for an apology to materialise. During this time all the community received to questions regarding conduct were arrogant scoffs and derisive sneers coupled with tired old belligerent internet memes from those pro goon, desperate to erect a "smokescreen".
That is until the fanfest alcohol subsided and the gravity and magnitude of what had transpired began to fully sink in as did pro goon awareness that more damage control measures were required as the media began to sit up and smell the beans.
There is enough evidence here in the midst to consequentially suggest the player base is not being adequately represented by a party fit for office. The eve player community has been made a mockery off.
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Hell's Gate
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:02:00 -
[1903] - Quote
Wow..... I think CCP may need to add a survey on the login page that asks how your feeling. The Ice miner should not of been able to log in. I really don't want RL in my sandbox. If I wanted RL I would not be playing a game. I would be taking my trash out. |
Demonos Silentium
Knights Of Divinity Vera Cruz Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:02:00 -
[1904] - Quote
Nice post Alex. i really want to believe it, but as we all know. "the mittani" is a master manipulator. How can we be sure this isnt just 1 way to manipulate crowds for you? i want to believe that you are sorry, but i dont know if i can.
secondly, in my opinion it doesnt matter even if the whole thing would have been setup. cyber bullying is a serious matter and even if it would be a joke, it should be handled with utmost care. the best thing you could do for the community is to step down from chairman / csm alltogether and get back in the next year, but ofcourse that is a matter of opinion. Sure, most of the guys will have some hidden agendas on why they want "the mittens" off from csm, for me its just basic "i dont like bullies". i LOVE your articles, but i dislike "the goon phenom".
i guess thats all for now
yes, my grammar isn't the best but hey. i dont loose any sleep over it. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
429
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:03:00 -
[1905] - Quote
HazardsSoul wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Lexmana wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:What happens if the legal authorities are unhappy with CCP's discharge of there responsbilities in this
He may finally achieve his aim
And F up the game
TQ- closed Your brain is melting. Seriously. If you continue like this for much longer you might have to biomass just to get rid of the shame. Na I'm good I can live with it Just kill yourself and biomass for the greater good of eve
Hello Mittani doesn't even support his own actions in this.. wake up smell the coffee, we could be sitting on a timebomb here
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:03:00 -
[1906] - Quote
Princess Nana wrote: There is enough evidence here in the midst to consequentially suggest the player base is not being adequately represented by a party fit for office. The eve player community has been made a mockery off.
The EVE community makes enough of a mockery of itself, it's as horrible - if not more so - than that of any other mainstream MMO. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:04:00 -
[1907] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:The media isn't going to run with a story of a 47 year old man (according to his in-game bio) getting kind-of-sort-of-not-really bullied in a video game that nobody outside of the gaming community has even heard of. There's no press there, nothing to grab onto, especially not with The Wis himself not being too keen on reliving and rehashing that part of his life (think about why he has yet to post in any of these threads - it's probably not a fun thing for him to talk about if it's true, and if it's all made up, then yeah).
You've obviously not bothered with the media when it was a "quiet news day". They can and do twist things to their own agenda. If they can make use of it they will if they can't they won't. The person this was aimed at is irrelevant if they can twist it without him. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
429
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:04:00 -
[1908] - Quote
Hell's Gate wrote: taking my trash out.
Prehaps CCP should undertake the same
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Fox Amatin
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:06:00 -
[1909] - Quote
DAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMN |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:06:00 -
[1910] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Hell's Gate wrote: taking my trash out. Prehaps CCP should undertake the same I agree, they should get rid of your terrible, terrible posting |
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:07:00 -
[1911] - Quote
Why can't EVE ever have the "good" kind of scandal? Let's have a CSM get caught on camera with a couple of hookers in their room or something so we can shoot off on em for paying for it. |
ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:07:00 -
[1912] - Quote
Shitpost galore up in here. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:07:00 -
[1913] - Quote
Princess Nana wrote: There is enough evidence here in the midst to consequentially suggest the player base is not being adequately represented by a party fit for office. The eve player community has been made a mockery off.
Really? The bunch of socipathic carebears, who have never been in a non-NPC corp other than their own are representative of the player base ?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3607
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:09:00 -
[1914] - Quote
this thread keeps stabbing at me
i don't get how some of you manage to breathe "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
430
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:09:00 -
[1915] - Quote
HazardsSoul wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Hell's Gate wrote: taking my trash out. Prehaps CCP should undertake the same I agree, they should get rid of your terrible, terrible posting
Oh it's ME posting all the
KILL YOURSELF DAMN PUBBIE comments
I was confused by the fact it's your avatar that apperas next to them
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:09:00 -
[1916] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Pretty much. I am from the UK as well and the 'cyber-bullying' craze has really been picking up pace, with all that stuff about facebook and what not. That is why when I compare what is classed as 'cyber-bullying' to what we consider as 'griefing', then the grey line is really that much more grey. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK will ban all MMO's with the way they wish to 'protect' their children from anything 'wrong.'
Certainly some people have that view of griefing in general. But I think in this particular case the line is not so grey. The person was held up as a target in an out of game context and with the reason for the targeting being claims he made about his state of well-being outside the game. So both the platform used to target him and the reasons given were not game-based, although the methods proposed for targeting him were. But it is pretty clear that the possible upside of griefing him was meant to be that it would, hopefully, make him miserable in real life. Now, whilst that last goal might be a normal griefing goal, I think the RL context and platform amke this look like the game is actually incidental rather than central, such that considering it merely to be griefing someone in game misses out a lot of the details. |
Darius Shakor
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:10:00 -
[1917] - Quote
Jonathan Malcom wrote:Darius Shakor wrote: Personally I would still rather you stepped down as an apology can be faked or at least taken as being a simple token to avoid consequences for your actions.
Reading this, I will simply chose to take you at your word of genuine remorse over this but cannot bring myself to muster any respect for you still, because of so much more I have seen from you anyway which dulls my impression of you.
You say you are not like this in your real life and that has never really cut it for me as you have the capability to do what you do over the internet and clearly it bleeds into the real world. That alone make me think people like you in game have an attitude out of game that lends themselves to such behaviour. And it is easy on the internet, where you have the most effective mask, to let yourself be an ass. But for myself an the majority of the player base we only see your internet personality and social interaction over the net is just as valid a measure of your character as a person as real life interactions are. So expect people with no idea of your real life to chose to find it hard to measure your 'true' self.
I don't see myself buying you any beers if we ever have the luxury of sharing the same air. But you have at least taken the step to apologise so you get some small token credit for that in my impressions of you. Stepping down, though, would be better and maybe show that you can accept some consequences for your actions and carry them with you into all walks of life.
The **** do you care, mongoloid? He didn't insult your ******* ancestors. You dont care in the slightest about the person who was actually wronged. Worthless, self-entitled fucks like you coming in here and acting like he owes you something. Go mine your Veldspar.
Dunno where you get off, bud. I had two friends from school commit suicide.
I don't think Mittani was funny in the least with what he said. I don't think anyone making fun of people for being suicidal are funny at all. There are some things you just don't joke about.
And he is CSM chair. He owes the eve community plenty. At the very least he owes us a professional standard of conduct.
So take your unprovoked and ignorant insult elsewhere. I have my opinion and I am entitled to that. You have offered nothing to this conversation but insults. Which means you already lost and failed. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:11:00 -
[1918] - Quote
Mittani has single-handedly given Eve Online pariah status. I wonder how much this has cost CCP in terms of wasted PR dollars. The last thing Sony wants is to see major media linking Dust with online suicides and cyber-bullying. This would be the kiss of death to CCP. |
Princess Nana
Hedion University Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:12:00 -
[1919] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Princess Nana wrote: There is enough evidence here in the midst to consequentially suggest the player base is not being adequately represented by a party fit for office. The eve player community has been made a mockery off.
The EVE community makes enough of a mockery of itself, it's as horrible - if not more so - than that of any other mainstream MMO. A community overall is one thing, but when the Chairperson puts on a show like that; which quite frankly would not have looked out of place transpiring in a medieval castle feast room with mittens dancing in a jester outfit for the crowd as the boar slowly roasts on the spit; then serious questions have to be asked about responsibilities. Any Sony Official watching that would have been mortified and aghast at what the innocent on the PS3 network might soon be exposed to. |
Cryten Jones
Advantage Inc The Matari Consortium
70
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:12:00 -
[1920] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Pretty much. I am from the UK as well and the 'cyber-bullying' craze has really been picking up pace, with all that stuff about facebook and what not. That is why when I compare what is classed as 'cyber-bullying' to what we consider as 'griefing', then the grey line is really that much more grey. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK will ban all MMO's with the way they wish to 'protect' their children from anything 'wrong.'
It's actually worse that that. We in the UK, more specifically the government, seems obsessed with this bizarre notion that life should be fair.
It's not... it's harsh, unfair, unyielding and monumentally brief and to be honest THAT is the lesson that we should be teaching our children not that if we cry loud enough someone will come along and make it all better, pay for that TV, make the bad man go away, or feed my family because I can't.
This is exactly what keeps me in EvE, I am essential a 'carebear' however I accept that **** happens, that people only open fire when they can totally wipe the floor with you. It's more 'real' than life some times....
I encourage everyone here to go look at some of the images coming out of India or Africa and tell me that life is fair.... In fact anyone thinking that life is not worth the living should move to these countries and 'donate' their life (that they find so useless) to people who quite frankly could do with a hug or two.. know what I mean!
The Mittani acted like a ****, he's apologised, now lets all just grown the hell up and move on.
-CJ
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Kblackjack54
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:12:00 -
[1921] - Quote
Stupid drunken comments, lots of political mileage in that, oh, then he apologises,
Next step invoke the EULA, well get him that way, wrong not actually playing EVE at the time,
OK rethink strategy,
Eureka, Use the Cyber bullying card and smugly throw that one in, no defence there the manGÇÖs clearly guilty of bullying another player of a fictitious internet spaceships game. Cities vaguely UK/US current news on subject for justification.
Reaching new lows here are we not, if the man resigns now or if CCP force him out then vested interests will have managed to use stupidity, bigotry and the unintelligible voice of the howling masses to achieve what they were to weak to do in the first place.
WIN A SEAT ON THE CSM |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:14:00 -
[1922] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Mittani has single-handedly given Eve Online pariah status. I wonder how much this has cost CCP in terms of wasted PR dollars. The last thing Sony wants is to see major media linking Dust with online suicides and cyber-bullying. This would be the kiss of death to CCP.
Hey, if we're talking about stupid **** that won't ever happen, you know what else would be the kiss of death for CCP? A herd of elephants let loose in their office! Not just for the casualties, but for the structural damage! |
bl4ckL0tus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:14:00 -
[1923] - Quote
well i feel like u showed ure true colours ... and beeing evil ingame as well in real life ... ppl can see u know and u can go sit in ure corner and not blame the alchool for ure behaviour. GET A REALITY PILL and realise what u done its not going to be repaired with a simple : i`m sorry. Get off any leadership position u dont deserve to be in one and realise what u`ve done. kk thx |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
454
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:16:00 -
[1924] - Quote
Apology Accepted |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:16:00 -
[1925] - Quote
Sony Isn't Going to Save Your Titans |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
432
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:17:00 -
[1926] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Mittani has single-handedly given Eve Online pariah status. I wonder how much this has cost CCP in terms of wasted PR dollars. The last thing Sony wants is to see major media linking Dust with online suicides and cyber-bullying. This would be the kiss of death to CCP.
Init
CCP continue to sit on there hands while trying to release a single console only development with interaction with THE biggest player in the industry.
Interesting to see Sony's reaction to this.....
Should they find CCP have misrepresented themselves all contracts could be null and void
Dust --- Vaporware
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:17:00 -
[1927] - Quote
bl4ckL0tus wrote:well i feel like u showed ure true colours ... and beeing evil ingame as well in real life ... ppl can see u know and u can go sit in ure corner and not blame the alchool for ure behaviour. GET A REALITY PILL and realise what u done its not going to be repaired with a simple : i`m sorry. Get off any leadership position u dont deserve to be in one and realise what u`ve done. kk thx
Ladies and gentlemen, the EVE Online community. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
223
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:17:00 -
[1928] - Quote
bl4ckL0tus wrote:well i feel like u showed ure true colours ... and beeing evil ingame as well in real life ... ppl can see u know and u can go sit in ure corner and not blame the alchool for ure behaviour. GET A REALITY PILL and realise what u done its not going to be repaired with a simple : i`m sorry. Get off any leadership position u dont deserve to be in one and realise what u`ve done. kk thx
Well according to your true posting colors you are an awful shit poster who should never post again, and should shoot yourself in the foot with a nailgun so you never forget it. |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:17:00 -
[1929] - Quote
I just want to remind that Ginger M. was immediately perma-banned from the game for his blindfold sentence in rage at Miz C. "I'll find and kill you in RL". And I am sure that this EVE addict tried hard to apologize afterwards to get back into EVE but he had no chance to do it because the decision was made. And this happend just in a system full with pirates who would not have cared. Noone except Miz would have cared if not a GM was there to remove roles. Today a CSM member can talk **** in front of the community with the excuse that he was drunken and did not remember? Sorry, CCP. It's time to do your frakking EULA job. |
baltec1
897
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:18:00 -
[1930] - Quote
bl4ckL0tus wrote:well i feel like u showed ure true colours ... and beeing evil ingame as well in real life ... ppl can see u know and u can go sit in ure corner and not blame the alchool for ure behaviour. GET A REALITY PILL and realise what u done its not going to be repaired with a simple : i`m sorry. Get off any leadership position u dont deserve to be in one and realise what u`ve done. kk thx
He showed that when drunk people say silly things. Also for the love of god use english not text crap. |
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HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:18:00 -
[1931] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Mittani has single-handedly given Eve Online pariah status. I wonder how much this has cost CCP in terms of wasted PR dollars. The last thing Sony wants is to see major media linking Dust with online suicides and cyber-bullying. This would be the kiss of death to CCP. Init CCP continue to sit on there hands while trying to release a single console only development with interaction with THE biggest player in the industry. Interesting to see Sony's reaction to this..... Should they find CCP have misrepresented themselves all contracts could be null and void Dust --- Vaporware Your tears of fiction sustain me Sony aint going to do **** so you can chill down with that one bro
Kill yourself and that should do us all good |
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
51
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:19:00 -
[1932] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:bl4ckL0tus wrote:well i feel like u showed ure true colours ... and beeing evil ingame as well in real life ... ppl can see u know and u can go sit in ure corner and not blame the alchool for ure behaviour. GET A REALITY PILL and realise what u done its not going to be repaired with a simple : i`m sorry. Get off any leadership position u dont deserve to be in one and realise what u`ve done. kk thx He showed that when drunk people say silly things. Also for the love of god use english not text crap.
He must have texted that in his car driving. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
432
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:20:00 -
[1933] - Quote
HazardsSoul wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Mittani has single-handedly given Eve Online pariah status. I wonder how much this has cost CCP in terms of wasted PR dollars. The last thing Sony wants is to see major media linking Dust with online suicides and cyber-bullying. This would be the kiss of death to CCP. Init CCP continue to sit on there hands while trying to release a single console only development with interaction with THE biggest player in the industry. Interesting to see Sony's reaction to this..... Should they find CCP have misrepresented themselves all contracts could be null and void Dust --- Vaporware Your tears of fiction sustain me Sony aint going to do **** so you can chill down with that one bro Kill yourself and that should do us all good
I'm cool you seem a little upset though..... my mortal exicsatnce seems to upset you so, you keep demanding I end it
Time will tell though hey
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:21:00 -
[1934] - Quote
"Professor", somehow I don't think you're trolling, so the only other possibility is you being extremely delusional.
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:21:00 -
[1935] - Quote
It's kinda terrible when Goonies are coming across as the well-balanced individuals in a conversation (or f-tarded threadnaught in this case). Honestly, all the stupidity just drives me more and more towards supporting The Mitanni. |
Pyztof
Pyztof Corporation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:22:00 -
[1936] - Quote
Not buying it. When people act terribly 'in game' there is at the very least a shred of truth. Mittani is a classic bully in all senses. I for one want nothing to do with him. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
432
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:22:00 -
[1937] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:"Professor", somehow I don't think you're trolling, so the only other possibility is you being extremely delusional.
Perhaps .....
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:22:00 -
[1938] - Quote
KFenn wrote:
He wasn't acting in an official capacity though. He was there as the leader of Goonswarm, a well established alliance of well-known douchebags.
Also, 10K votes. He'd likely be chair without the Goon vote.
Again, the issues not being understood. Mittens can't lay aside the "player elected representative" hat when he gets drunk at Fanfest. Whether he was acting "offically" or not is irrelevant.
The point is, he mounted an out-of-game attack on a player. And he did so to camera, at a CCP-run event.
10k votes doing get you a pass for being stupid. And 10k votes don't undo the bad press.
Every time there's a CSM story for the next year, this story will remain in paragraph 4 where they have a Mittens quote. So every time the CSM has a chance to do some good for the game, there'll be links to a story that will put off prospective players. Mittens can't stay as CSM chair, I doubt he can stay on the CSM.
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:22:00 -
[1939] - Quote
Kblackjack54 wrote:Stupid drunken comments, lots of political mileage in that, oh, then he apologises,
Next step invoke the EULA, well get him that way, wrong not actually playing EVE at the time,
OK rethink strategy,
Eureka, Use the Cyber bullying card and smugly throw that one in, no defence there the manGÇÖs clearly guilty of bullying another player of a fictitious internet spaceships game. Cities vaguely UK/US current news on subject for justification.
Reaching new lows here are we not, if the man resigns now or if CCP force him out then vested interests will have managed to use stupidity, bigotry and the unintelligible voice of the howling masses to achieve what they were to weak to do in the first place.
WIN A SEAT ON THE CSM
You say that as if metagaming successfully is a bad thing. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:23:00 -
[1940] - Quote
bl4ckL0tus wrote:well i feel like u showed ure true colours ... and beeing evil ingame as well in real life ... ppl can see u know and u can go sit in ure corner and not blame the alchool for ure behaviour. GET A REALITY PILL and realise what u done its not going to be repaired with a simple : i`m sorry. Get off any leadership position u dont deserve to be in one and realise what u`ve done. kk thx
1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not].
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. |
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:24:00 -
[1941] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Mittani has single-handedly given Eve Online pariah status. I wonder how much this has cost CCP in terms of wasted PR dollars. The last thing Sony wants is to see major media linking Dust with online suicides and cyber-bullying. This would be the kiss of death to CCP. Hey, if we're talking about stupid **** that won't ever happen, you know what else would be the kiss of death for CCP? A herd of elephants let loose in their office! Not just for the casualties, but for the structural damage!
You think CCP finds this funny? I don't know how much CCP budgeted for their PR, but if Mittani set back CCP's efforts by say $100k (a conservative estimate), that's somebody's job at CCP. |
Kefka Wu
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:24:00 -
[1942] - Quote
Best way to put it: differentiate between online character and real lfie please:
http://jestertrek.blogspot.de/2012/03/hats.html
Great written article about this situation |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:25:00 -
[1943] - Quote
I know contries where Goonswarm could actually be charged for building a criminal organisation and terrorism (true story)...and it is not the US....but nobody does it cause its a freaking game... |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:25:00 -
[1944] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:Mittani has single-handedly given Eve Online pariah status. I wonder how much this has cost CCP in terms of wasted PR dollars. The last thing Sony wants is to see major media linking Dust with online suicides and cyber-bullying. This would be the kiss of death to CCP. Hey, if we're talking about stupid **** that won't ever happen, you know what else would be the kiss of death for CCP? A herd of elephants let loose in their office! Not just for the casualties, but for the structural damage! You think CCP finds this funny? I don't know how much CCP budgeted for their PR, but if Mittani set back CCP's efforts by say $100k (a conservative estimate), that's somebody's job at CCP.
hahaha nothing will come of this |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
252
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:25:00 -
[1945] - Quote
What makes me think the apology is just bull is that the goons are out in force doubling down on stupid in defense of cyber bullying.
The great leader says one thing, while the goons do another.
All that is left is he has to step down from the CSM totally now because of the actions of his goons at this point. Trying to spin the story has hurt him even more.
His follower ruined any chance for his apology to work as a get out of trouble card.
What he did is not a game. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:26:00 -
[1946] - Quote
Has anyone thought to phone Himlars favourite brothel tell him his smoked fish and blow might be under threat
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
baltec1
898
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:29:00 -
[1947] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
You think CCP finds this funny? I don't know how much CCP budgeted for their PR, but if Mittani set back CCP's efforts by say $100k (a conservative estimate), that's somebody's job at CCP.
The responsibility for the bad press is entirely down to you people. Most are not interested or don't see what all the fuss is about. Much worse is said in Jita local every hour of every day. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:30:00 -
[1948] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:
You think CCP finds this funny? I don't know how much CCP budgeted for their PR, but if Mittani set back CCP's efforts by say $100k (a conservative estimate), that's somebody's job at CCP.
hahaha nothing will come of this
Have you ever run a business? One key to risk management is to reduce or remove your liabilities. Mittani is a liability. I can't think of any way that CCP can benefit from keeping Mittani CSM chief. Goons won't quit. They are hopelessly addicted to this game and have formed a symbiotic relationship with their Eve personas. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:30:00 -
[1949] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:
Pretty much. I am from the UK as well and the 'cyber-bullying' craze has really been picking up pace, with all that stuff about facebook and what not. That is why when I compare what is classed as 'cyber-bullying' to what we consider as 'griefing', then the grey line is really that much more grey. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK will ban all MMO's with the way they wish to 'protect' their children from anything 'wrong.'
Certainly some people have that view of griefing in general. But I think in this particular case the line is not so grey. The person was held up as a target in an out of game context and with the reason for the targeting being claims he made about his state of well-being outside the game. So both the platform used to target him and the reasons given were not game-based, although the methods proposed for targeting him were. But it is pretty clear that the possible upside of griefing him was meant to be that it would, hopefully, make him miserable in real life. Now, whilst that last goal might be a normal griefing goal, I think the RL context and platform amke this look like the game is actually incidental rather than central, such that considering it merely to be griefing someone in game misses out a lot of the details.
I understand what you mean, but what bothers me is the lack of information that we have received about this 'victim'. Other than the e-mail (which could of been forged) and his contact name, this all could of been an elaborate ruse, a stunt, in which Mittens wished to play out because, well let's be honest, they couldn't do another 'GSF history' session every single fanfest.
Now if it was true then yes, as you have stated, the upside to this would of been the intent to make his life miserable, I for one would understand that since I am, after all, a Goonie.
Now would I class what he stated as cyber-bullying? No, I wouldn't. In fact for what he said, it could of been a whole lot worse. He said a simple quip, a soundbyte, nothing more. When compared to far more 'elaborate' insults and quips, what he said was really not that bad. Short-sighted? Of course, though I doubt anyone would of expected this kind of backlash from what was said.
I think his apology is more than enough really, those that are asking for more is actually causing more harm than good.
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HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:31:00 -
[1950] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Has anyone thought to phone Himlars favourite brothel tell him his smoked fish and blow might be under threat what ever you are smoking.... Ill have some |
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ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:32:00 -
[1951] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:What makes me think the apology is just bull is that the goons are out in force doubling down on stupid in defense of cyber bullying.
The great leader says one thing, while the goons do another.
All that is left is he has to step down from the CSM totally now because of the actions of his goons at this point. Trying to spin the story has hurt him even more.
His follower ruined any chance for his apology to work as a get out of trouble card.
What he did is not a game.
You seem upset? Do you have anyone to talk to about your feelings? I wish to make amends for our incompetent a**hole of a CEO so I provide you with the following website to ensure your mental well-being.
http://www.samaritans.org/
fly safe m8 0707070707 |
baltec1
898
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:33:00 -
[1952] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:What makes me think the apology is just bull is that the goons are out in force doubling down on stupid in defense of cyber bullying.
The great leader says one thing, while the goons do another.
All that is left is he has to step down from the CSM totally now because of the actions of his goons at this point. Trying to spin the story has hurt him even more.
His follower ruined any chance for his apology to work as a get out of trouble card.
What he did is not a game.
Just 2 hours ago I got told to go die in a fire in a fight. Is this bullying? |
Solid Raiden
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:35:00 -
[1953] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Solid Raiden wrote:Real balls? It takes 5 minutes writing some meaningless words on a paper. Nothing more. Apologizing is just another way of manipulating people. So after this, this and this, all of the sudden he is sorry and we should just accept it? Words are meaningless unless followed by actions. You are however contradicting yourself. If as you say "words are meaningless unless followed by actions" then the words that started this off are also meaningles unless he did hat he said others should do. It is a logical follow through from what you have said.
Contradicting? Point me to my words where I contradict myself.
I never said what he did was wrong. Mittani said it himself. So, he is admitting he was wrong, writing bunch of words, but hasn't yet accepted consequences of his actions. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
252
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:35:00 -
[1954] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:
Pretty much. I am from the UK as well and the 'cyber-bullying' craze has really been picking up pace, with all that stuff about facebook and what not. That is why when I compare what is classed as 'cyber-bullying' to what we consider as 'griefing', then the grey line is really that much more grey. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK will ban all MMO's with the way they wish to 'protect' their children from anything 'wrong.'
Certainly some people have that view of griefing in general. But I think in this particular case the line is not so grey. The person was held up as a target in an out of game context and with the reason for the targeting being claims he made about his state of well-being outside the game. So both the platform used to target him and the reasons given were not game-based, although the methods proposed for targeting him were. But it is pretty clear that the possible upside of griefing him was meant to be that it would, hopefully, make him miserable in real life. Now, whilst that last goal might be a normal griefing goal, I think the RL context and platform amke this look like the game is actually incidental rather than central, such that considering it merely to be griefing someone in game misses out a lot of the details. I understand what you mean, but what bothers me is the lack of information that we have received about this 'victim'. Other than the e-mail (which could of been forged) and his contact name, this all could of been an elaborate ruse, a stunt, in which Mittens wished to play out because, well let's be honest, they couldn't do another 'GSF history' session every single fanfest. Now if it was true then yes, as you have stated, the upside to this would of been the intent to make his life miserable, I for one would understand that since I am, after all, a Goonie. Now would I class what he stated as cyber-bullying? No, I wouldn't. In fact for what he said, it could of been a whole lot worse. He said a simple quip, a soundbyte, nothing more. When compared to far more 'elaborate' insults and quips, what he said was really not that bad. Short-sighted? Of course, though I doubt anyone would of expected this kind of backlash from what was said. I think his apology is more than enough really, those that are asking for more is actually causing more harm than good.
Stop trying to spin this into being about just the victim. Its about every player and those that have yet to play the game that are yet to come.
Its a precedent setting moment. Its about the fact that if allowed to get away with it. What about the next person whom might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.
Calling for the lynching of a person like the mittani did requires he step down from the CSM. A person that calls basically for the in real life death of another player should not represent the players.
You can sit there and spin spin spin the story as much as you want . Its not going to change that a company cannot have such a person seen as a representative of their game or the games players.
Goon culture needs to wake up and realize that this was too far. The line was crossed that should not be crossed. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
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HazardsSoul wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Has anyone thought to phone Himlars favourite brothel tell him his smoked fish and blow might be under threat what ever you are smoking.... Ill have some
Dude get back to me this lap dance is getting good, and the fish is fab dude
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Strathcaron
Tormentum Insomniae Raiden.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:36:00 -
[1956] - Quote
Being CSM chariman is more than giving order to 8000 own alliance grunts. He needs to represent ALL players, including their ingame enemies. That kind of offenses, insults or acts, needs to be punished.
I dont like mittani, but i respect his faggotry on local, forums and jabber broadcasts. He can insult and harrass enemies. BUT i cant respect a guy in RL that is representing the players, not the toons, and see how he say that bullshit about a guy. Doesnt matter if he hast 1 or 10k votes. We/You didnt vote mittani. Voted Alexander Gianturco, a guy who drunk, in public, on a live stream, said stuff that can be prosecuted at least in 26 european countries. And that guy pretends now represent the eve community in front CCP.
No way. This is not about the mittani, is about Alexander Gianturco and he MUST resign. An apollogy its fine for his own conscience, but that doesnt relieve of guilt. Next time, think about what are you going to say, think before what are you going to do.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
252
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:What makes me think the apology is just bull is that the goons are out in force doubling down on stupid in defense of cyber bullying.
The great leader says one thing, while the goons do another.
All that is left is he has to step down from the CSM totally now because of the actions of his goons at this point. Trying to spin the story has hurt him even more.
His follower ruined any chance for his apology to work as a get out of trouble card.
What he did is not a game. Just 2 hours ago I got told to go die in a fire in a fight. Is this bullying?
Was this done out of game at a panel broadcast all over the world. Where the person doing the bullying is calling for your to DIE FOR REAL?
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
236
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:38:00 -
[1958] - Quote
Strathcaron wrote:Being CSM chariman is more than giving order to 8000 own alliance grunts. He needs to represent ALL players, including their ingame enemies. That kind of offenses, insults or acts, needs to be punished.
I dont like mittani, but i respect his faggotry on local, forums and jabber broadcasts. He can insult and harrass enemies. BUT i cant respect a guy in RL that is representing the players, not the toons, and see how he say that bullshit about a guy. Doesnt matter if he hast 1 or 10k votes. We/You didnt vote mittani. Voted Alexander Gianturco, a guy who drunk, in public, on a live stream, said stuff that can be prosecuted at least in 26 european countries. And that guy pretends now represent the eve community in front CCP.
No way. This is not about the mittani, is about Alexander Gianturco and he MUST resign. An apollogy its fine for his own conscience, but that doesnt relieve of guilt. Next time, think about what are you going to say, think before what are you going to do.
toon and a titan bus driver wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Jouron
Hadon Shipping
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:39:00 -
[1959] - Quote
I'm sorry to see that this has happened.
I always regarded the Mittani as the first Digital statesman.
You know what this will lead too. When the media get ahold of this, people who take what we do for 'fun'(griefing) in game seriously will be baying for blood.
CCP will have to apologize, out right condemn the Mittani's actions and make it clear this wont happen again.
What is worse is they may permanently ban the Mittani as sacrificial offering to the PR gods.
All of which I wish would not have to happen but probably will.
A tragic end to an individual whose hand has shaped a great deal of our games player driven lore. Im sorry mittens. But when they placed the laurel on your head they failed to whisper: "All glory is fleeting."
The only defense one can mount of the mittanis position is that no one should reveal that much intimate details of one's private life to any one in game. And this individual chose to. Either way the Mittani is no fool and should have kept this info on the inside of goonswarm. In other words he knew better and did this any ways. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:40:00 -
[1960] - Quote
Strathcaron wrote:Being CSM chariman is more than giving order to 8000 own alliance grunts. He needs to represent ALL players, including their ingame enemies. That kind of offenses, insults or acts, needs to be punished.
I dont like mittani, but i respect his faggotry on local, forums and jabber broadcasts. He can insult and harrass enemies. BUT i cant respect a guy in RL that is representing the players, not the toons, and see how he say that bullshit about a guy. Doesnt matter if he hast 1 or 10k votes. We/You didnt vote mittani. Voted Alexander Gianturco, a guy who drunk, in public, on a live stream, said stuff that can be prosecuted at least in 26 european countries. And that guy pretends now represent the eve community in front CCP.
No way. This is not about the mittani, is about Alexander Gianturco and he MUST resign. An apollogy its fine for his own conscience, but that doesnt relieve of guilt. Next time, think about what are you going to say, think before what are you going to do.
He does not need to represent all...what do you think he is?? Some kind of elected politician? He represents the Goons and CFC and their interests in 0.0. He was elected by them and only owes them. If some of his goals match yours you were free to vote for him as well.
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:41:00 -
[1961] - Quote
Keep posting. |
So Sensational
Ventures
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:42:00 -
[1962] - Quote
JTK Fotheringham wrote:KFenn wrote:
He wasn't acting in an official capacity though. He was there as the leader of Goonswarm, a well established alliance of well-known douchebags.
Also, 10K votes. He'd likely be chair without the Goon vote.
Again, the issues not being understood. Mittens can't lay aside the "player elected representative" hat when he gets drunk at Fanfest. Whether he was acting "offically" or not is irrelevant. The point is, he mounted an out-of-game attack on a player. And he did so to camera, at a CCP-run event. 10k votes doing get you a pass for being stupid. And 10k votes don't undo the bad press. Every time there's a CSM story for the next year, this story will remain in paragraph 4 where they have a Mittens quote. So every time the CSM has a chance to do some good for the game, there'll be links to a story that will put off prospective players. Mittens can't stay as CSM chair, I doubt he can stay on the CSM. What bad press? **** like this is what gets people playing EVE, this is the reason we're here, because it's a sandbox with risk and reward and the most vicious players of any online game.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1502
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:42:00 -
[1963] - Quote
The reality is that people have been forced to resign from the CSM in the past for the mistakes they have made. Breaking NDA, unprofessional conduct, general bad behaviour etc etc. Its not unreasonable to hold the elected chair of the player council to a higher standard than other players, particularly when a part of his responsibility is to be the golden boy for the cameras and the gaming media at fanfest.
That Alexander Gianturco thought the alliance panel presentation he gave was a good idea in the first place shows a huge lack of judgement that even his wife on the SA forums is saying she advised him against it.
That his CCP handlers didn't raise an eyebrow at the content is surprising (but somewhat understandable) on the grounds that he probably built up some trust over the resolution of the monoclegate affair.
But what really kicks his reputation in the teeth is to get completely wasted on beer and ad-lib channel his sadistic game personna on stage and try for a bit of televised cyber-bullying in the full view of the gaming media at an event which was absolutely critical for CCP's ongoing recovery and future as a forward looking MMO universe.
This guy is (or was) a lawyer. A profession that requires a bit of class and professional ethics to be taken seriously. Now anyone who googles his name is going to see a chubby clown in a wizards hat mocking some unfortunate depressive player to the baying encouragement of other morons too wasted to stand up straight.
I do believe his apology is pretty earnest because I'm sure as hell convinced he regrets what he did because its the de facto suicide of his professional repuation and credibility as a gaming pundit he's been building the last few years. From now till the end of his public presence he's going to be "the abusive wizard's hat drunken guy with the stupid chin beard" and held up as a posterboy for the nasty side of multiplayer gaming alongside the likes of Aris Bakhtanians and the sexism in fighting games scandal.
But earnest or not, he needs to go as CSM chair certainly. This guy cannot credibly represent the Eve player community in a year where Eve is on the path to recovery following a successful fanfest and planned integration of two gaming communities in the union of Eve and Dust514.
And the goons really need to get over themselves. 10,000 votes sure, but thats a fraction of the players of eve online, its not close to a majority of the total votes amongst the other councillers even.
I'm not one to advocate a permabanning or something really harsh over this. I think there is some shared responsibility that CCP hold for allowing the alliance panel to turn to a drunken mood. I think Alex probably did get swayed along to be nastier than he intended with the achohol-fuelled peer pressure and general egging by other speakers and members of the audience.
But whats undeniably the case is he didn't represent Eve online in the way the chairman of the CSM should be representing Eve online and he behaved in a way that dragged both CSM and Eve through the mud and did immense damage to the reputation of the game in the wider gaming media.
Nobody minds being seen as a player of that "really hardcore game" as a spacepilot in the "brutal and deadly universe of eve" as a player in the setting "where everyone is out to get you" etc etc. Eve players thrive on being seen as people that play games on hard mode and want to get back to that core gaming ethos that the CCP marketing guy was talking about in the final presentation.
But here's the thing. The message from Fanfest that CCP was trying its heart out to portray to anyone watching was that though we play hard and brutal in space in game, in our ships and in our wars and conflicts - out of game, when we come together at fanfest or at the pub or wherever, we're not actually psychopathic lunatics blood-drunk on cheap sadism and frat boy bullying.
Alexander Gianturco "the mittani" was about as far from that mesage as its possible to get. He showed in that drunken presentation at fanfest as he showed in the dismissive "deal with it" in the wake - that he really doesn't "get" the Eve Online that the rest of us do. That behind all the ruthless shennanigans in space we're actually players that have a shared camaraderie beyond our characters and when meeting each other at the game conventions its time to put aside the sterotypical evil villain masks and show the human face underneath.
On that stage Alexander showed he's forgotten how to remove his mask and he's lived the Mittani's heart of darkness a little too long and too closely and he's started supping on his on delusions and its a bit saddening to watch. He needs some help, I'm sure his wife will give him some good advise and he needs to take a bit of time away from the spotlight and see where his life goes from here.
But he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:44:00 -
[1964] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Keep posting.
Well as isk = $ through plex
To all the world it'll be $x destroyed not x mining barges
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Banden Lokemir
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:44:00 -
[1965] - Quote
I like the part where everyone gets super outraged at the guy for encouraging harrasment of other players and taking him for serious while he was wearing a wizards hat and drinking j+ñgerbombs.
I personally danced around naked and dickslapped a guy on the hand this new years from excessive intake of J+ñgermeister so I feel his pain.
I watched the alliance panel and all I saw was a bunch of drunk dudes being asshats, exactly what I would expect from a video of an alliance panel.
All this stuff is just flaring because Goons and The mittani attract a lot of hate. Really what did you expect? If it was anyone else, I hardly think it would even raise an eyebrow.
But do keep it up, the more you get fired up about this **** the faster it gets into mainstream media and inflated to Public Outraged stage number one and we all know the mainstream media likes to take shots at the video gaming industry for **** that is plainly not its responsability. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:45:00 -
[1966] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:
Pretty much. I am from the UK as well and the 'cyber-bullying' craze has really been picking up pace, with all that stuff about facebook and what not. That is why when I compare what is classed as 'cyber-bullying' to what we consider as 'griefing', then the grey line is really that much more grey. I wouldn't be surprised if the UK will ban all MMO's with the way they wish to 'protect' their children from anything 'wrong.'
Certainly some people have that view of griefing in general. But I think in this particular case the line is not so grey. The person was held up as a target in an out of game context and with the reason for the targeting being claims he made about his state of well-being outside the game. So both the platform used to target him and the reasons given were not game-based, although the methods proposed for targeting him were. But it is pretty clear that the possible upside of griefing him was meant to be that it would, hopefully, make him miserable in real life. Now, whilst that last goal might be a normal griefing goal, I think the RL context and platform amke this look like the game is actually incidental rather than central, such that considering it merely to be griefing someone in game misses out a lot of the details. I understand what you mean, but what bothers me is the lack of information that we have received about this 'victim'. Other than the e-mail (which could of been forged) and his contact name, this all could of been an elaborate ruse, a stunt, in which Mittens wished to play out because, well let's be honest, they couldn't do another 'GSF history' session every single fanfest. Now if it was true then yes, as you have stated, the upside to this would of been the intent to make his life miserable, I for one would understand that since I am, after all, a Goonie. Now would I class what he stated as cyber-bullying? No, I wouldn't. In fact for what he said, it could of been a whole lot worse. He said a simple quip, a soundbyte, nothing more. When compared to far more 'elaborate' insults and quips, what he said was really not that bad. Short-sighted? Of course, though I doubt anyone would of expected this kind of backlash from what was said. I think his apology is more than enough really, those that are asking for more is actually causing more harm than good. Stop trying to spin this into being about just the victim. Its about every player and those that have yet to play the game that are yet to come. Its a precedent setting moment. Its about the fact that if allowed to get away with it. What about the next person whom might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far. Calling for the lynching of a person like the mittani did requires he step down from the CSM. A person that calls basically for the in real life death of another player should not represent the players. You can sit there and spin spin spin the story as much as you want . Its not going to change that a company cannot have such a person seen as a representative of their game or the games players. Goon culture needs to wake up and realize that this was too far. The line was crossed that should not be crossed.
The game is already perceived as a ruthless culture, so this does nothing but temper this fact. It's hardly ground-breaking really.
Like I already stated somewhere down the line, it is no one's fault that the victims of those whose ship was turned into dust is mentally unstable. Who could of known? Unless you know the guy in RL you can only get information through whatever they tell you.
Also Mittani, in no way, called for his death. He just told people to message him, give him a 'holla'. It isn't too hard to read what he meant. He is a bit mad, yes, but he is not one of these terrorists preaching death to all 'infidels.'
Also calling us the spin doctors, that's pretty amusing. The folks that are spinning this out of control is the bleeding heart liberals who think anything which may be deemed as 'politically incorrect' is grounds for protest and anger.
Goon culture is well and truly awake, it is currently giggling at the absurdity of this witch hunt. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
137
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:45:00 -
[1967] - Quote
Jouron wrote:I'm sorry to see that this has happened.
I always regarded the Mittani as the first Digital statesman.
You know what this will lead too. When the media get ahold of this, people who take what we do for 'fun'(griefing) in game seriously will be baying for blood.
CCP will have to apologize, out right condemn the Mittani's actions and make it clear this wont happen again.
What is worse is they may permanently ban the Mittani as sacrificial offering to the PR gods.
All of which I wish would not have to happen but probably will.
A tragic end to an individual whose hand has shaped a great deal of our games player driven lore. Im sorry mittens. But when they placed the laurel on your head they failed to whisper: "All glory is fleeting."
The only defense one can mount of the mittanis position is that no one should reveal that much intimate details of one's private life to any one in game. And this individual chose to. Either way the Mittani is no fool and should have kept this info on the inside of goonswarm. In other words he knew better and did this any ways.
Unfortunately drunk people never know better, because they're drunk. But he should not have got to that state in the first place. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:45:00 -
[1968] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.
Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer? |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:46:00 -
[1969] - Quote
Geez, is this still going on? I hope a lot of you folk die. |
stoicfaux
835
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:47:00 -
[1970] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote: Have you ever run a business? One key to risk management is to reduce or remove your liabilities. Mittani is a liability. I can't think of any way that CCP can benefit from keeping Mittani CSM chief. Goons won't quit. They are hopelessly addicted to this game and have formed a symbiotic relationship with their Eve personas.
Meh, I'm going to have to agree with Kaivar that removing Mittani would be the safest, most practical, and easiest choice to make. (Where removing == "asking" Mittani to resign gracefully for the community's sake.)
How do you argue against the company liability lawyers in this case? How do you justify risking DUST and the Sony partnership over this? CCP already took a big hit with WoD layoffs and Incarna. Plus, booting Mittani distracts people from CCP's complicity/stupidity, namely alcohol + video + company_name = Trouble.
As much as I dislike "one strike and you're out" laws, business is business.
=/
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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baltec1
898
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:47:00 -
[1971] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Was this done out of game at a panel broadcast all over the world. Where the person doing the bullying is calling for your to DIE FOR REAL?
Ever have this concept of a joke?
Granted it was a bad one but thats what happens when you get drunk. My point is a single comment is not bullying. Bullying is repeatedly singling out someone an abusing them. Constantly.
Mittens made one drunken joke which, quite frankly, is said every single day in every game. |
DieLange
Blackwater USA Inc. Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:48:00 -
[1972] - Quote
Seeing shitloads of people thinking this is a real apology, plz read mr mittens replies on the first page right !!!HERE!!!. And then try to explain the sincerity of his post. To be honest you just fell to the lowlife level in my standards with this s**t alex, u should have just been the badass u pretend to be in earlier posts u made 2 days before this crap and face the shitstorm. Now this just comes as a lie and your words have become meaningless and so you can't preform in any role in this or future CSM's.
Resign and save the last piece of dignity u have left. |
Calanthe Maulerant
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:48:00 -
[1973] - Quote
so did someone step up to take the chairmanship or what?
BBQ FTW > mity calanthe |
Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:48:00 -
[1974] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Jonathan Malcom wrote:The **** do you care, mongoloid? He didn't insult your ******* ancestors. You dont care in the slightest about the person who was actually wronged. Worthless, self-entitled fucks like you coming in here and acting like he owes you something.
Go mine your Veldspar. You seem to be very angry over things posted in a forum, to do with internet spaceships and the CSM. You might like to have a lye down or a cup of tea. Just relax.
*lie down
And yes. I'm mad. I'm mad because we live in in a society where the facts of an occurrence like this are marginalized and focus is given to anonymous alts crying crocodile tears who care nothing for the "victim" and are instead using this as a tool for pushing a ridiculous in-game political agenda. And they're being supported by people who think they understand the situation because they consider suicide A Bad Thing and this allows them to speak with authority and from a moral high-ground. All the while, sensationalist gaming media is doing what will net them the largest number of hits, reporting on a blog post by some random person rather than the actual context within which the comments were made.
Was the comment made in bad taste? Sure. Was it at all genuinely malicious? Of course not. Has this caused irreparable damage to the "victim"? He didn't even know it was going on. And when he found out, he made a joke about killing himself.
Yeah. I'm mad. |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
74
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:48:00 -
[1975] - Quote
How can Alex Gianturdco say it was a GÇ£drunken mistakeGÇ¥ when he wrote the whole presentation days in advance, supporting slides, complete with all his typical theatrical bull **** ready to go?
You knew what you were going to say, you knew you were saying it, and you knew what the intent wasGǪGǪGǪGǪGÇ¥make this guyGÇÖs life more miserableGÇ¥GǪGǪ
You should not be representing the players of this game to the world as the CSM Chair or on the CSM. You need to do the right thing and resign. . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:49:00 -
[1976] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:
As much as I dislike "one strike and you're out" laws,
=/
Very much depends on the nature of the 'strike' IMO
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
51
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:50:00 -
[1977] - Quote
page 100?
Edit ... dang, almost
Nothing clever at this time. |
JoeTwo PointOh
Aliastra Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:50:00 -
[1978] - Quote
Haulin Aussie wrote:JoeTwo PointOh wrote:Bravo.
I neither know you, nor have anything other than neutral feelings towards you/goons in general, but I have to say that seems to be a very sincere apology.
Well said sir, Well Said. The Mittani wrote:You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything.
~10,058~
lol actually I'm not an NPC alt at all. This is my main character, and I literally JUST dropped out of corp. I simply have NO interest in the sov drama or game style, and prefer pillaging around in lowsec |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:50:00 -
[1979] - Quote
Strathcaron wrote:Being CSM chariman is more than giving order to 8000 own alliance grunts. He needs to represent ALL players, including their ingame enemies. That kind of offenses, insults or acts, needs to be punished.
I dont like mittani, but i respect his faggotry on local, forums and jabber broadcasts. He can insult and harrass enemies. BUT i cant respect a guy in RL that is representing the players, not the toons, and see how he say that bullshit about a guy. Doesnt matter if he hast 1 or 10k votes. We/You didnt vote mittani. Voted Alexander Gianturco, a guy who drunk, in public, on a live stream, said stuff that can be prosecuted at least in 26 european countries. And that guy pretends now represent the eve community in front CCP.
No way. This is not about the mittani, is about Alexander Gianturco and he MUST resign. An apollogy its fine for his own conscience, but that doesnt relieve of guilt. Next time, think about what are you going to say, think before what are you going to do.
+1
Also wanted to say that I was supposed to be in Strathcarron today, but the fooking road timetable is a mess - people at highland council need to resign for real. |
Kendra Wilkinson
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:51:00 -
[1980] - Quote
does i open the page 100? |
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stoicfaux
835
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:51:00 -
[1981] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Keep posting. Serious question. Are you a union boss/leader/whip in RL?
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
296
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:52:00 -
[1982] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:How can Alex Gianturdco say it was a GÇ£drunken mistakeGÇ¥ when he wrote the whole presentation days in advance, supporting slides, complete with all his typical theatrical bull **** ready to go?
You knew what you were going to say, you knew you were saying it, and you knew what the intent wasGǪGǪGǪGǪGÇ¥make this guyGÇÖs life more miserableGÇ¥GǪGǪ
You should not be representing the players of this game to the world as the CSM Chair or on the CSM. You need to do the right thing and resign. .
You clearly didn't watch it so how come you are making judgements on his behaviour?
He went out of line in a spur of the moment remark after his presentation during Q&A. It was not part of his presentation. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
223
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:52:00 -
[1983] - Quote
[*] snipe derp |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1501
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:53:00 -
[1984] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.
Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer?
Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name.
But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:53:00 -
[1985] - Quote
damn people are still mad about this crap? |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
223
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:53:00 -
[1986] - Quote
i was really hoping for something special on pg 100 |
Dranchela
Flashpoint Industries
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:54:00 -
[1987] - Quote
XxTheKmanxX wrote:damn people are still mad about this crap?
Some people find it difficult to get out of mom's basement. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:55:00 -
[1988] - Quote
Lorren Canada wrote:i was really hoping for something special on pg 100
Have a biscuit.
Or a cookie if you're a yank. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:55:00 -
[1989] - Quote
Dranchela wrote:XxTheKmanxX wrote:damn people are still mad about this crap? Some people find it difficult to get out of father's basement.
Fixed - Don't be hasty on equality just yet citizen. |
Sky Liddell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:55:00 -
[1990] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:How can Alex Gianturdco say it was a GÇ£drunken mistakeGÇ¥ when he wrote the whole presentation days in advance, supporting slides, complete with all his typical theatrical bull **** ready to go?
You knew what you were going to say, you knew you were saying it, and you knew what the intent wasGǪGǪGǪGǪGÇ¥make this guyGÇÖs life more miserableGÇ¥GǪGǪ
You should not be representing the players of this game to the world as the CSM Chair or on the CSM. You need to do the right thing and resign. .
The trouble with that is Suicide in EVE means someone lost a destroyer, someone else lost a hulk. Mittani made a quick EVE reaction to an EVE related event and got hauled in to someone elses personnal life.
He is being thrown under the bus, that is obvious. I don't expect GD to back him up but I am sure Goons will and that's all that matters.
I'm not here to be everyones friend. I'm here to pick a few and make them count. The rest of you can go to hell. CSM took that out of EVE. Alex Gianturdco can go back to being a Goon now and not being a poster boy for EVE. I'd say he comes out ahead on this one. |
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:56:00 -
[1991] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Lorren Canada wrote:i was really hoping for something special on pg 100 Have a biscuit. Or a cookie if you're a yank.
Could use one of those jaffa cakes right about now, with a cup of tea. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1506
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:57:00 -
[1992] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:How can Alex Gianturdco say it was a GÇ£drunken mistakeGÇ¥ when he wrote the whole presentation days in advance, supporting slides, complete with all his typical theatrical bull **** ready to go?
You knew what you were going to say, you knew you were saying it, and you knew what the intent wasGǪGǪGǪGǪGÇ¥make this guyGÇÖs life more miserableGÇ¥GǪGǪ
You should not be representing the players of this game to the world as the CSM Chair or on the CSM. You need to do the right thing and resign. .
The "drunken mistake" was his ad-libbing of the material on the slide. He got egged on (or just blithered on) into saying things he hadn't prepared earlier. I'm prepared to believe that he didn't intend everything he did to happen in advance, but all in all it doesn't excuse what he did. You simply can't have a CSM chair and representative of the Eve community who can't hold their drink and acts like that in front of the cameras at fanfest. So my take - sure, he has to resign, but the apology here gets him a second chance as an eve player alongside the rest of us.
His punishment really is the destruction of his professional and gaming-media reputation.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
245
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:57:00 -
[1993] - Quote
Jesus two 100 page + threads!
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Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
74
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:58:00 -
[1994] - Quote
Strathcaron wrote:Being CSM chariman is more than giving order to 8000 own alliance grunts. He needs to represent ALL players, including their ingame enemies. That kind of offenses, insults or acts, needs to be punished.
I dont like mittani, but i respect his faggotry on local, forums and jabber broadcasts. He can insult and harrass enemies. BUT i cant respect a guy in RL that is representing the players, not the toons, and see how he say that bullshit about a guy. Doesnt matter if he hast 1 or 10k votes. We/You didnt vote mittani. Voted Alexander Gianturco, a guy who drunk, in public, on a live stream, said stuff that can be prosecuted at least in 26 european countries. And that guy pretends now represent the eve community in front CCP.
No way. This is not about the mittani, is about Alexander Gianturco and he MUST resign. An apollogy its fine for his own conscience, but that doesnt relieve of guilt. Next time, think about what are you going to say, think before what are you going to do.
+1 GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 13:58:00 -
[1995] - Quote
Dranchela wrote:XxTheKmanxX wrote:damn people are still mad about this crap? Some people find it difficult to get out of mom's basement.
no crap, but now im catching up on 50 pages of tears and people making no sense.. 100 pages later the point is still the same, a political person made a mistake, what political power hasn't made a mistake. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 13:58:00 -
[1996] - Quote
XxTheKmanxX wrote:damn people are still mad about this crap?
No trying to encoruage people to kill themselves doesn't matter does it
You guys still counter posting seem to fail to realise this is well beyond 'forum PvP'
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:00:00 -
[1997] - Quote
Benilopax wrote:Jesus two 100 page + threads!
The Mittani wrote:
deal with it~
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Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:00:00 -
[1998] - Quote
Snot Shot wrote:How can Alex Gianturdco say it was a GÇ£drunken mistakeGÇ¥ when he wrote the whole presentation days in advance, supporting slides, complete with all his typical theatrical bull **** ready to go?
You knew what you were going to say, you knew you were saying it, and you knew what the intent wasGǪGǪGǪGǪGÇ¥make this guyGÇÖs life more miserableGÇ¥GǪGǪ
You should not be representing the players of this game to the world as the CSM Chair or on the CSM. You need to do the right thing and resign. .
It wasn't during his presentation, it was during the open Q & A after. |
Dranchela
Flashpoint Industries
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:00:00 -
[1999] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Dranchela wrote:XxTheKmanxX wrote:damn people are still mad about this crap? Some people find it difficult to get out of father's basement. Fixed - Don't be hasty on equality just yet citizen.
Thank you, Comrade. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:02:00 -
[2000] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.
Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer? Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name. But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll.
So post count makes you an eve player representative? Or is it (former) CSM membership? Doesn't that argument mean that The Mittani actually speaks for the *current* playerbase?
The final paragraph gives it away though. You think you speak for the players because, well, you think you speak for the players. |
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
136
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:02:00 -
[2001] - Quote
I don't think you Goon defenders actually realise the stakes at play. Do you think CCP will risk millions of dollars just to keep Goons happy? Suppose one day somebody actually does blow their brains out after being cyber-bullied on Eve Online. Not only are you going to have lawyers, police and politicians smashing down your door in self-righteous anger, but all that negative publicity will kill your brand and any projects associated with it. This isn't just about Eve. This is also about Dust, World of Darkness and everything else up CCP's sleeve. Do you honestly think the CEO of CCP will risk his entire company just to appease a handful of asshats?
Risk management. Mittani is a liability to CCP's bottomline. Deal with it. |
Del Vikus
Gradient Electus Matari
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:03:00 -
[2002] - Quote
Thank you for your apology. I think it was sincere.
However, I think those who doubt your sincerity are speaking from a place of "earned mistrust." You have not done very much to endear yourself, and your flippant and dismissive comments earlier have put you into an inherently defensive position.
Assuming you are not removed as CSM chair, I'd like to suggest you remember this incident and use it productively in your leadership role. Your words matter to a lot of people, and braggadoccio and bluster will do more to alienate than to endear. |
Lera Lotus
FireStar Inc Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:03:00 -
[2003] - Quote
After reading a bunch of posts on forum, http://liangnuren.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/the-mittani-hero/ and http://jestertrek.blogspot.de/2012/03/hats.html my conclusion is that even if I do not like The Mittens or Goons, it was stupid to day I still do NOT think he should step down.
To be quite honest this is going a bit overboard... Jita riot?! *bah*
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Ni'ark
Parnassius Corporation Inception Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:03:00 -
[2004] - Quote
I was there. -First thread in ship and modules-First whine thread in ship and modules-First locked thread in ship and modules and new eve-o forums. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:03:00 -
[2005] - Quote
2000!
Edit ****! Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:04:00 -
[2006] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Lorren Canada wrote:i was really hoping for something special on pg 100 Have a biscuit. Or a cookie if you're a yank. Could use one of those jaffa cakes right about now, with a cup of tea.
hmmmmm Jaffa cakes ----- \o/
but its too hot for tea - how about a milkshake - all the boys can come to my yard
best post in about 98 pages of this thread ty |
Dranchela
Flashpoint Industries
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:04:00 -
[2007] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:XxTheKmanxX wrote:damn people are still mad about this crap? No trying to encoruage people to kill themselves doesn't matter does it You guys still counter posting seem to fail to realise this is well beyond 'forum PvP'
This didn't go beyond forum PVP, Professor. This was someone doing what a drunk person does: say stupid s**t. He came back, he apologized and unlike some people, it appears that The Mittani AND the "victim" in question have moved on.
Get it? Moved on. Acted like adults, talked it out.
Try it some time. You will be required to endure daylight at some point, however. |
stoicfaux
836
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:05:00 -
[2008] - Quote
XxTheKmanxX wrote: no crap, but now im catching up on 50 pages of tears and people making no sense.. 100 pages later the point is still the same, a political person made a mistake, what political power hasn't made a mistake.
When a politician makes a slip of the tongue, it generally affects just the politician. In this case, it could affect CCP's business (e.g. the Dust/Sony partnership.)
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:05:00 -
[2009] - Quote
Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:Geez, is this still going on? I hope a lot of you folk die.
We all will, eventually. |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:06:00 -
[2010] - Quote
Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:Snot Shot wrote:How can Alex Gianturdco say it was a GÇ£drunken mistakeGÇ¥ when he wrote the whole presentation days in advance, supporting slides, complete with all his typical theatrical bull **** ready to go?
You knew what you were going to say, you knew you were saying it, and you knew what the intent wasGǪGǪGǪGǪGÇ¥make this guyGÇÖs life more miserableGÇ¥GǪGǪ
You should not be representing the players of this game to the world as the CSM Chair or on the CSM. You need to do the right thing and resign. . It wasn't during his presentation, it was during the open Q & A after.
The Q&A comment was built on a part of his presentation - where he posted the Mac pilot's mail about his marriage ending, and about him feeling everything was going pear-shaped in his life. The Q&A comment was "You can actually put this guy over the edge - just spam him telling him to do it."
Let's agree to simply refer to both the presentation and the following Q&A as one event.
The point is, as our elected representative, calling for people to join in this sort of out-of-game griefing / cyberbullying was a bad error of judgement, and he needs to resign. |
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Lord Helghast
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:06:00 -
[2011] - Quote
LIkes <> speak for eve community, i can have 100000 likes too especially if i have alts and post more than i play eve lol
I hate goons, but honestly lets get over this now, the "OMG A DRUNK GUY SAID SOMETHING MEAN" is sorta over now lets get back to the game, i mean jesus even WIS isn't making this big of a deal about it, it's the goon hating idiots and the people that are mad there CSM rep didn't win out.
Yes what he did was idiotic, does it mandate him dropping from the CSM i hope not honestly, as he seems to have a good head on his shoulder atleast when he isn't wasted, so can we move on?
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:06:00 -
[2012] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.
Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer? Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name. But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll.
You don't speak for me. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:07:00 -
[2013] - Quote
Dranchela wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:XxTheKmanxX wrote:damn people are still mad about this crap? No trying to encoruage people to kill themselves doesn't matter does it You guys still counter posting seem to fail to realise this is well beyond 'forum PvP' This didn't go beyond forum PVP, Professor. This was someone doing what a drunk person does: say stupid s**t. He came back, he apologized and unlike some people, it appears that The Mittani AND the "victim" in question have moved on. Get it? Moved on. Acted like adults, talked it out. Try it some time. You will be required to endure daylight at some point, however.
Lol you funny basement dwelling tear vampires fear the light perhaps not me
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Jouron
Hadon Shipping
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:07:00 -
[2014] - Quote
The issue here is not what the Mittani said, but where he said it.
The mittani could have said a great many terrible things, had he kept it to kugutsmen or Something Awful there would have been no issue.
I personally do find the comedy in this.
I am more shocked at the mittani's lack of oversite. The issue is he gave this presentation at a officially sanctioned CCP event representing our player elected board thats supposed to guide game development, also The mittani was the chairman of that board.
This is the issue at stake here not what was said or done.
Also where are CCP's spot checkers? Who goes over these presentation before there given? CCP is now caught between a rock and hard place. Either they dont view these things which is a lack of attention to detail, or they implicitly approve of the mittanis comments by giving the go ahead to the presentation.
Yes we of the eve community think this is hilarious. But any outsiders that dont understand are culture now have a huge chunk of missinformation that has CCP's stamp on it.
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Master Andrew
Hell's Revenge Fidelas Constans
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:08:00 -
[2015] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:XxTheKmanxX wrote:damn people are still mad about this crap? No trying to encoruage people to kill themselves doesn't matter does it You guys still counter posting seem to fail to realise this is well beyond 'forum PvP'
OMG are you STILL posting badly - i have been out had lunch and a drink with friends, had a smoke in the sunshine, read a book on how to survive bad posting; only to come back to find your angry posting per minute ratio has increased.
you win the angry random guy award for today
i still think that somewhere sometime a lawyer called Alex has clearly run away with your girlfriend.
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JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
215
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:08:00 -
[2016] - Quote
Ok nice of you to apologize Mittens.
Now lets all go back to blowing stuff up and close this thread. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
157
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:09:00 -
[2017] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Snot Shot wrote:How can Alex Gianturdco say it was a GÇ£drunken mistakeGÇ¥ when he wrote the whole presentation days in advance, supporting slides, complete with all his typical theatrical bull **** ready to go?
You knew what you were going to say, you knew you were saying it, and you knew what the intent wasGǪGǪGǪGǪGÇ¥make this guyGÇÖs life more miserableGÇ¥GǪGǪ
You should not be representing the players of this game to the world as the CSM Chair or on the CSM. You need to do the right thing and resign. . The "drunken mistake" was his ad-libbing of the material on the slide. He got egged on (or just blithered on) into saying things he hadn't prepared earlier. I'm prepared to believe that he didn't intend everything he did to happen in advance, but all in all it doesn't excuse what he did. You simply can't have a CSM chair and representative of the Eve community who can't hold their drink and acts like that in front of the cameras at fanfest. So my take - sure, he has to resign, but the apology here gets him a second chance as an eve player alongside the rest of us. His punishment really is the destruction of his professional and gaming-media reputation.
But we don't really buy that.
I see many posts here regarding "you don't like mittani" but have any of you considered WHY we don't like him?
The truth is most of us don't like the guy because he's so obviously a ******* sociopath. He exudes predatory behaviour in all his dealings, all his posts, his alliance, and certainly the way he has treated the wiz. The fact is that most of his alliance's bad name COMES from the fact that predatory behaviour is accepted and even applauded.
The reason people don't like the guy is many of us can see his personality from a mile away - he makes it clear and doesn't try to hide the fact.
Predatory behaviour is the cornerstone of any good sociopath. The reason he overstepped with the wiz is that predators always seek the weakest targets to attack.
I can understand people falling for his campaign of creating perception in the past, but surely you have the brains to see through it now ?
There's no difference here from CCP saying "Oh stalking the women who play is fair!" - it's not acceptable behaviour just because he did it at fanfest. It's not acceptable behaviour ANYWHERE. My EVE YouTube Channel |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:09:00 -
[2018] - Quote
Master Andrew wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:XxTheKmanxX wrote:damn people are still mad about this crap? No trying to encoruage people to kill themselves doesn't matter does it You guys still counter posting seem to fail to realise this is well beyond 'forum PvP' OMG are you STILL posting badly - i have been out had lunch and a drink with friends, had a smoke in the sunshine, read a book on how to survive bad posting; only to come back to find your angry posting per minute ratio has increased. you win the angry random guy award for today i still think that somewhere sometime a lawyer called Alex has clearly run away with your girlfriend.
DAMMIT don't mention that byatch
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Dranchela
Flashpoint Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:10:00 -
[2019] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:
Lol you funny basement dwelling tear vampires fear the light perhaps not me
Please don't try to steal a line from someone else in order to sound funny. It almost never works out well.
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Dank Man
55
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:11:00 -
[2020] - Quote
f you, your a fxxxing piece of ****, your lucky i wasnt at fanfest or i woulda peed in ur cheerios bro, ur appology doesnt mean crap, sending isk to the player doesnt mean crap, you said what you meant, you got up on stage and did it. really nothing left to do but hang your head in disgrace and walk out the door, seriously anyone who buys this crap is just as gullible as any one who has been scammed by goons over the years... hes just sad to see his free ticket to iceland that the COMMUNITY pays for is now being threatened. seriously this is THE most repulsive, disgraceful, and despicable crap I have seen in a game ever, and for this to happen in the eve community (one which is reputed to be the best of them all) it clearly shows the direction our game has gone in. This is a lawyer, he probably did this for the publicity to being with, and now can just send some petty isk (hell hes scammed 10x that off players) and say he sorry, if you all buy this crap its your problem, i certainly do not.
im sorry i even dignified responding in yet another goonspam thread, but this guy doesnt deserve any platform or stage to speak on clearly, drunk or not. |
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Le Cardinal
Spricer Raiden.
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:12:00 -
[2021] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.
Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer? Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name. But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll. So post count makes you an eve player representative? Or is it (former) CSM membership? Doesn't that argument mean that The Mittani actually speaks for the *current* playerbase? The final paragraph gives it away though. You think you speak for the players because, well, you think you speak for the players.
Well in opposite to you, he manage to write something sensible. All you do is spew out garbage. Instead, make an attempt to write a good counter argument instead of showing the community your lack of intellectual capacity like 90% of the goons in this thread.
As a member of the Eve community i sure prefer to read his replies over yours, because your replies lack any form of content other than trying to belittle him. Whether i agree with him or not is a different case. However, he has proven on several cases that he knows a bit about Eve. You havent. |
Anima Vendo
Dark Wolf Development Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:13:00 -
[2022] - Quote
Everyone needs to understand that this is not an apology from "The Mittani" this is an apology from Alex. The human being behind the persona. I for one commend your quick response.
Things like this happen in games that are so entrenched in player to player relationships and the myriad of political consequences with such a "diverse" culture of personalities and goals
The real question here is what duty does CCP really have in a situation like this... I can remember back when the guy from Severance made a public apology for racist comments that were made to another capsuleer years ago.
food for thought......
The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong Mahatma Gandh
A mistake is always forgivable, rarely excusable and always unacceptable Robert Frip
Forgiveness is a virtue of the brave Indira Gandh
A stiff apology is a second insult... The injured party does not want to be compensated because he has been wronged; he wants to be healed because he has been hurt Gilbert K. Chesterto
A man does what he must - in spite of personal consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures - and that is the basis of all human morality Winston Churchil
A creative man is motivated by the desire to achieve, not by the desire to beat others Ayn Ran
Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com
** LONG LIVE THE CHAIR **
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:13:00 -
[2023] - Quote
Dranchela wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
Lol you funny basement dwelling tear vampires fear the light perhaps not me
Please don't try to steal a line from someone else in order to sound funny. It almost never works out well.
Works fine for me
You obviously aren't doing it right
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:13:00 -
[2024] - Quote
Well after 100 pages of basically the select few try to hards its more than clear this comes down to people with an axe to grind. Oh and jade all your likes come from the role playing forum section where people can cash in pretend hand jobs for a like in your pretend space brothel. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:14:00 -
[2025] - Quote
Master Andrew wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Lorren Canada wrote:i was really hoping for something special on pg 100 Have a biscuit. Or a cookie if you're a yank. Could use one of those jaffa cakes right about now, with a cup of tea. hmmmmm Jaffa cakes ----- \o/ but its too hot for tea - how about a milkshake - all the boys can come to my yard best post in about 98 pages of this thread ty
No problem citizen, all in a day's work.
Though I do agree, much too warm for tea. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:15:00 -
[2026] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Master Andrew wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Lorren Canada wrote:i was really hoping for something special on pg 100 Have a biscuit. Or a cookie if you're a yank. Could use one of those jaffa cakes right about now, with a cup of tea. hmmmmm Jaffa cakes ----- \o/ but its too hot for tea - how about a milkshake - all the boys can come to my yard best post in about 98 pages of this thread ty No problem citizen, all in a day's work. Though I do agree, much too warm for tea.
True nice spring so far
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
623
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:16:00 -
[2027] - Quote
Thank goodness this is real life, I can finally use real life analogies.
If someone robs a home and then returns the items and the homeowner declines to press charges, there's nothing the police can do.
In real life, when both the offender and the victim have moved on, everyone else moves on (except for Fox News). So move on already (but don't forget... there is a difference). |
Temmu Guerra
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:19:00 -
[2028] - Quote
Well even though I doubt he will see it as we are on page 102 but I just wanted to say it takes a lot of balls to come up and apologize like that. And from the overall tone I would hope that you are indeed sincere about it as even though most realize its a game some view it as an escape from the real world where they deal with that constant bullying on a daily basis.
Now that this is all out of the way move on and kick some ass in CSM 7. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:19:00 -
[2029] - Quote
It's pretty telling that only two of the weakest, lowest-vote CSM candidates have spoken out against Mittens, because the rest have the smarts to know he's not going down and that they'll have to work with him.
Darius III if what you said about being excluded from Skype channels was true, you're really screwed now v0v |
Molly Argonaut
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:19:00 -
[2030] - Quote
Sad day for Eve..
Your apologize not accepted Mittani. You must resing . this the first step to try recover your rep.
Goons leave mittani madness... |
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Berta Armstrong
Dark Star Enterprises
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:21:00 -
[2031] - Quote
Well, even if the apology is sincere, thing that only Alexander Gianturco himself knows, the deed cannot be undone. As it was something public, it must be evaluated under that perspective.
And what he did goes beyond insulting someone or embarrassing himself and the EVE Online Community.
It puts CCP in a difficult position. I don't think people's opinions will matter much on what they decide, as what happened was really clear and leaves little room for interpretation. If they care at all about what people are saying, I'd say this thread is worth nothing, as the ones supporting The Mittani are in a 99% of times from his coalition and almost the opposite happens for the ones asking for his resign.
But if you take a look on what some sites (just some for now) outside EVE are saying, their thoughts are quite unanimous. It was something really pathetic and offensive, and words like that should never come out from a person representing that amount of players, and in this case even the game itself.
Apologizing and moving on is ok and exactly what should happen in a civilized world where people sometimes make mistakes. But this mistake is serious enough to have consequences too. What remains to be seen is if CCP are brave enough to deliver those consequences. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:21:00 -
[2032] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Master Andrew wrote:
hmmmmm Jaffa cakes ----- \o/
but its too hot for tea - how about a milkshake - all the boys can come to my yard
best post in about 98 pages of this thread ty
No problem citizen, all in a day's work. Though I do agree, much too warm for tea. True nice spring so far
Yeah, can't wait for this Friday, got 3 week to sit in my backyard and relax in the sun. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:21:00 -
[2033] - Quote
Molly Argonaut wrote:Sad day for Eve..
Your apologize not accepted Mittani. You must resing . this the first step to try recover your rep.
Goons leave mittani madness...
Wrong number of syllables. |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:22:00 -
[2034] - Quote
Is this true that Americans have problems with alcohol ? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1506
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:23:00 -
[2035] - Quote
Razzor Death wrote:Well after 100 pages of basically the select few try to hards its more than clear this comes down to people with an axe to grind. Oh and jade all your likes come from the role playing forum section where people can cash in pretend hand jobs for a like in your pretend space brothel.
Actually very few "likes" come from the roleplaying section because roleplayers don't like to "like" their rp enemies (they are funny like that.) But thanks for the continuing evidence of goonswarm quality posting and lying about things. Seriously, take a breath, pour yourself a cup of tea, and go and smell the clean fresh air and have a think about why your defense of Alex Gianturco is pretty senseless beyond a childishly partizan playground gang mentality.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Mana Potion
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:25:00 -
[2036] - Quote
Molly Argonaut wrote:Sad day for Eve..
Your apologize not accepted Mittani. You must resing . this the first step to try recover your rep.
Goons leave mittani madness...
Yes Mittani, we would like to hear you re-sing your apology... you will recover your rep by singing your apology ... again... wait, I didn't hear you sing it the first time.... |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:25:00 -
[2037] - Quote
Molly Argonaut wrote:Sad day for Eve..
Your apologize not accepted Mittani. You must resing . this the first step to try recover your rep.
Goons leave mittani madness...
I agree. Make Mittens resing on mumble. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:25:00 -
[2038] - Quote
Keen Fallsword wrote:Is this true that Americans have problems with alcohol ?
Of course. The Americans can be quite the feral brutes, but they have uses to the English Gentleman. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:26:00 -
[2039] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Dranchela wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
Lol you funny basement dwelling tear vampires fear the light perhaps not me
Please don't try to steal a line from someone else in order to sound funny. It almost never works out well. Works fine for me
No. No it really didn't. |
Tamir Lenk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:27:00 -
[2040] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Razzor Death wrote:Well after 100 pages of basically the select few try to hards its more than clear this comes down to people with an axe to grind. Oh and jade all your likes come from the role playing forum section where people can cash in pretend hand jobs for a like in your pretend space brothel. Actually very few "likes" come from the roleplaying section because roleplayers don't like to "like" their rp enemies (they are funny like that.) But thanks for the continuing evidence of goonswarm quality posting and lying about things. Seriously, take a breath, pour yourself a cup of tea, and go and smell the clean fresh air and have a think about why your defense of Alex Gianturco is pretty senseless beyond a childishly partizan playground gang mentality.
Thanks for the tip. While the kettle heats up, can I get one of those space hand-jobs? PST
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ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:28:00 -
[2041] - Quote
Le Cardinal wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote: So post count makes you an eve player representative? Or is it (former) CSM membership? Doesn't that argument mean that The Mittani actually speaks for the *current* playerbase?
The final paragraph gives it away though. You think you speak for the players because, well, you think you speak for the players.
Well in opposite to you, he manage to write something sensible. All you do is spew out garbage. Instead, make an attempt to write a good counter argument instead of showing the community your lack of intellectual capacity like 90% of the goons in this thread.
If by "sensible" you mean "self-serving and contradictory", then I agree!
Le Cardinal wrote:As a member of the Eve community i sure prefer to read his replies over yours, because your replies lack any form of content other than trying to belittle him. Whether i agree with him or not is a different case. However, he has proven on several cases that he knows a bit about Eve. You havent.
If contesting his claim to "represent" anyone/thing but himself by personal mandate is an attempt to "belittle", then it would appear you are unable to recognise hubris. Not surprising for a Raiden(dot) member. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:28:00 -
[2042] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Dranchela wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
Lol you funny basement dwelling tear vampires fear the light perhaps not me
Please don't try to steal a line from someone else in order to sound funny. It almost never works out well. Works fine for me No. No it really didn't.
Well I lolled even if yor didn't , your lack of a sense of humour ain't my issue sorry
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1511
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:28:00 -
[2043] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.
Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer? Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name. But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll. You don't speak for me.
perhaps so but my last post on the subject on page 99 has more likes than you have.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Fidelium Mortis
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
73
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:29:00 -
[2044] - Quote
Posting in epic thread - and adding little substance like the majority of the posts. ICRS - Intergalactic Certified Rocket Surgeon |
Naga Elohim
Golden Shellbacks Surely You're Joking
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:30:00 -
[2045] - Quote
Chairman of my Heart! |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:31:00 -
[2046] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.
Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer? Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name. But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll. You don't speak for me. perhaps so but my last post on the subject on page 99 has more likes than you have.
Because likes on a website matter... Are you going to crow about your k/d ratio next? |
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:32:00 -
[2047] - Quote
Mana Potion wrote:Molly Argonaut wrote:Sad day for Eve..
Your apologize not accepted Mittani. You must resing . this the first step to try recover your rep.
Goons leave mittani madness... Yes Mittani, we would like to hear you re-sing your apology... you will recover your rep by singing your apology ... again... wait, I didn't hear you sing it the first time....
I want The Mittani to stay, he was and is a great player advocate in the CSM, but it would be nice to hear him sing the Star Spangled Banner :) |
Tamir Lenk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:32:00 -
[2048] - Quote
Fidelium Mortis wrote:Posting in epic thread - and adding little substance like the majority of the posts.
Forget substance. Your stockpile of "likes" is all that matters.
Never stop liking. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:32:00 -
[2049] - Quote
Fidelium Mortis wrote:Posting in epic thread - and adding little substance like the majority of the posts.
I think the discussion about tea and crumpets contained substance. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
227
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:33:00 -
[2050] - Quote
One of the biggest problems with what happened at Fan Fest is not that it confirms everything everyone ELSE has said about him, it confirms what he's said about himself all along. While goons have been quick to blow off his statements as being "in character" and "not the real Alex", he has never taken that position. He has repeatedly called himself a sadist in the forums and in podcasts, now in his apology he claims the opposite. He has insisted that how he plays "The Mittani" is a spin-off of how he is in real life. Now he insists that's not true. It's now clear that this guy will waffle at the drop of a hat to pander to whoever he needs to in whatever way benefits him at that time.
I think CCP was willing to go along with his shenanigans as long as it wasn't damaging. And Alex was willing to push the envelope of "what's allowable" another step as CCP failed to react to the last test. However, I think you'll soon see that those days are over.
Bottom line, he can't be trusted. But worst of all from the Icelandic perspective, he can't hold his liquor. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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Dranchela
Flashpoint Industries
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:34:00 -
[2051] - Quote
This thread will reach 150 pages (at least) before the mods decide to close it, apparently.
Face it folks: some of y'all are taking the whole thing far too seriously especially in light of the fact that the "offender" in question posted a well-written and apparently sincere apology.
Grab a coke, a smile and continue to blow up spaceships or cut rocks with your 18-wheelers-in-space. |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:35:00 -
[2052] - Quote
Tamir Lenk wrote:Fidelium Mortis wrote:Posting in epic thread - and adding little substance like the majority of the posts. Forget substance. Your stockpile of "likes" is all that matters. Never stop liking.
not empty quoting +1 |
Tamir Lenk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:35:00 -
[2053] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Fidelium Mortis wrote:Posting in epic thread - and adding little substance like the majority of the posts. I think the discussion about tea and crumpets contained substance.
And a lead on some handies. |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:35:00 -
[2054] - Quote
Le Cardinal wrote:As far as me concerned that looks like a decent enough apology. He probably should step down as chairman for the sake of the community and not to silence the drivel from vultures. Wether he remains a CMS or not i dont really care about.
If its a troll, its a good one. Personally i dont think it is.
Oh geeze I'm (mostly) agreeing with a Raiden dot what has happened to this threadnaught.
(realtalk I recognize that all people of an alliance are the same as my alliance's propaganda on them yadda yadda)
The chairman is a silly title that only holds sway people having fancy titles makes people pay more attention to you politically. In some ways he's already lost a lot of sway with CCP and I question whether resigning from chairman will change anything. Seems like a good idea if it would help CCP's PR, I'm not sure what portions of the "community" you are talking about. I'm pretty ambivalent about the chairmanship, and really opposed about Mitanni resigning/being kicked from the CSM since he represents a lot of players' views about what the game should be like, mine included!
Mostly I'm just IRL mad over people who have only experienced Mitanni's in-game persona claiming that the apology from Alex is false. I can understand how someone could convince themselves of that but sheesh guys, there's no tinfoil conspiracy of a bunch of brainwashed goons brainlessly supporting Dear Leader as much as there are people who actually know him enough to believe the apology. At least try to watch some videos or speeches from him or something before making such a judgment. (inc. witty troll response about how they watched this one video of him giving an alliance panel presentation).
But whatever, it is a terrible thing Mitanni has done. To me it's to me an acceptable apology and recompensation to the victim. Others may think it's not enough, others may think nothing is ever going to be enough because they hate the individual so viciously they'll use any means they have to cut him down, whatever. I'm checking out of this thread and ending the fight against people taking stuff out of context and flatout misrepresenting him like the fine fellow who said Mittens was trying to use alcohol as an excuse for what he said to the person (those of you about to attack this, reread the OP. Carefully.)
There's nothing at all wrong with being upset about this or about what it may mean to CCP's legal worries, but for the latter I'd let CCP's lawyers figure things out for them instead of trying to help them with your expertise gained from looking up law on Wikipedia.
Peace.
Lorren Canada wrote:Everyone who unironically posted in this thread should go kill themselves.
Someone hand me my spacesword :royofca:
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Il Reverendo
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:36:00 -
[2055] - Quote
Well that was step one, just about.
Where's that step two you mentioned? |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:38:00 -
[2056] - Quote
The official "The Mittani" Video Appology via Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0
Space King |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1512
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:38:00 -
[2057] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote: Because likes on a website matter... Are you going to crow about your k/d ratio next?
Well like it or not *ahem* one of the ways that we can get a sense of how well a forum discussion is going is to see whether third party reads support a particular point of view or not. Imagine for a moment if Eve forums had a system whereby you could sort the responses to a thread by "likes" (as is common with many media sites that allow public posting incidently). Then you'd probably see the "goonish" responses banished to the outdarkness of page 100+ while more genuinely thought out posts were closer to the start.
Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.
And sure, its exploitable and many of the goons have done just that with script-hacks and such - but generally you can see when a quality poster is attracting likes for a post it means they are putting a reasonable argument across.
I tend to "like" posts that have some substance (or occassionally ones that make me laugh). The reason why you have attracted so few likes is that you aren't really saying anything that 10,000 goons haven't said already. (la la la la I'm not listening la).
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:38:00 -
[2058] - Quote
Il Reverendo wrote:Well that was step one, just about. Where's that step two you mentioned?
Sing the Star Spangled Banner? |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
296
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:39:00 -
[2059] - Quote
Il Reverendo wrote:Well that was step one, just about. Where's that step two you mentioned?
You are a brave faceless troll aren't you? |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
51
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:40:00 -
[2060] - Quote
D@mn you, you got me again!
Nothing clever at this time. |
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Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:41:00 -
[2061] - Quote
Allow me to start another post with the already stated, right now, it doesn't matter if the comments were made in character, out of character or anywhere in the middle, the harm was done precisely after this was blown out of proportion into the media.
The fact is, it was a public presentation, to a multitude of viewers, press, players, and all kind in the stream. Was there a majority ? yes, players without a doubt, but the minority press have probably more power than any of the other groups representations viewing fanfest as the person in question as a CSM knows very well the power it has to influence both opinion and decisions.
Many keep arguing with the fallacy that 'nothing happened to the subject, thus no harm done', well, let me repeat, it's a fallacy, and Alex (the lawyer) knows very well, there was intent (regardless of his condition which he proudly states it's no excuse), and intent is enough to make someone liable for. We live in a free world, but we are also responsible for our actions and words. If I would stage an assassination attempt, which would fail and be discovered soon after, should I be forgiven just because I failed my initial intention ? I know, as I said before it's a bit of an exaggeration but it's an analogy to demonstrate that the real issue at hand is not the final consequence (if he did or not suicide) but the actions that may lead to the consequence, and this, only this in my (trying to be unbiased) point of view is the real issue.
Granted many are taking advantage of this issue to try and get rid of an enormous power figure, and others try to dismiss this as something trivial to try and get the whole thing to go away like if it was nothing (Vile Rat for instance) to try and get the heat away or others are plainly die hard zealots that will follow him anywhere, and most are doing more harm than good to be honest, on themselves, since many get to be portrayed as actual sociopaths (really ? cyber bullying is only considered cyber bullying after something hazardous happens, you sir need medical attention) or just showing how biased and clouded their judgement is towards the subject and are in particular places of influence where personal unbiased judgement is called for.
Now, personally (I hope people get to this paragraph before shooting the guns at me), I never really cared much about Mittens/The Mittani, there are amusing moments, he did awfully good to this game by using the exact same thing that's going to hammer him right now against CCP (press) to shift their focus on to what we want and to what matters and in game as a player, I don't really care much if he's The Overlord Mittani and I truly believe it's actually irrelevant right now.
The big issue is, CCP and Alex (the person) are in a double edged sword, on one side we have CCP, basically an entity that will be portrayed as weak at the eyes of the press to give in to the pressure of a good amount of the player base in a subject which is so delicate right now in the Information Technology age which is the person interactions over the internet, plus, in a public event sponsored by the said company, this is really really delicate for CCP, one bad move and they can be portrayed as allowing and promoting unethical behaviour on their player base, specially giving the latest problems by activists promoting the ban on violent games stating they shape the character of the young ones.
On the other side, there's Alex, the person, the guy who clearly has seen he screwed up, badly, I mean, terribly, and is in a crossroad, I can't imagine what's going on in his head, he either get's to be seen as something horrible who managed to have more influence in a gaming company than the company directors/share holders (whatever who makes the decisions) or another punishment which honestly will have to be hard.
I know what I would do, there needs to be a punishment, and preferably one that makes CCP look good to the press, I would probably try to damage control with CCP the press for starters, then would quit one seat, either goon CEO or CSM and live on with it. Truth be told, any of this options won't change anything in the long term at all, he would still have his enormous influence over the game (directly to CCP) or over the corp (through alts of friends), the only thing lost (at least in short term) would be his public figure, that would be his punishment, something he actually likes a lot and values, to be in the news, and the news.
Best regards, |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:41:00 -
[2062] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Il Reverendo wrote:Well that was step one, just about. Where's that step two you mentioned? You are a brave faceless troll aren't you?
Relentless ... |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:41:00 -
[2063] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.
Likes on a forum that doesn't allow dislikes are meaningless |
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
72
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:41:00 -
[2064] - Quote
Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.
Is that EULA chafing you? The guy messed up, and apologized like a man. Move on.
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Bill Banner
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:42:00 -
[2065] - Quote
102 pages and no Lady Harlot?
Damn, that alone is refreshing. |
Molly Argonaut
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:42:00 -
[2066] - Quote
Josefius wrote:Mana Potion wrote:Molly Argonaut wrote:Sad day for Eve..
Your apologize not accepted Mittani. You must resing . this the first step to try recover your rep.
Goons leave mittani madness... Yes Mittani, we would like to hear you re-sing your apology... you will recover your rep by singing your apology ... again... wait, I didn't hear you sing it the first time.... I want The Mittani to stay, he was and is a great player advocate in the CSM, but it would be nice to hear him sing the Star Spangled Banner :)
Yes.. i want see Mittani re sing the resign.. lol |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:43:00 -
[2067] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: Because likes on a website matter... Are you going to crow about your k/d ratio next?
Well like it or not *ahem* one of the ways that we can get a sense of how well a forum discussion is going is to see whether third party reads support a particular point of view or not. Imagine for a moment if Eve forums had a system whereby you could sort the responses to a thread by "likes" (as is common with many media sites that allow public posting incidently). Then you'd probably see the "goonish" responses banished to the outdarkness of page 100+ while more genuinely thought out posts were closer to the start. Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read. And sure, its exploitable and many of the goons have done just that with script-hacks and such - but generally you can see when a quality poster is attracting likes for a post it means they are putting a reasonable argument across. I tend to "like" posts that have some substance (or occassionally ones that make me laugh). The reason why you have attracted so few likes is that you aren't really saying anything that 10,000 goons haven't said already. (la la la la I'm not listening la).
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction Likes received: 1,512
The Mittani GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation Likes received: 6,990
HAX! |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
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Posted - 2012.03.27 14:43:00 -
[2068] - Quote
Bill Banner wrote:102 pages and no Lady Harlot?
Damn, that alone is refreshing.
I'm assuming she got herself banned but can't be sure obviously CCP don't publish a pillory
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
K0enig
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:43:00 -
[2069] - Quote
this really looks like a 100% clean factor.
http://i.imgur.com/w6WrT.png
specially after seeing that 1 .. guess posting stuff only works from one side when your a goonie. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:44:00 -
[2070] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
perhaps so but my last post on the subject on page 99 has more likes than you have.
You realise the majority of eve players don't use these forums, many that do despise the like system and don't use it and the inability to dislike renders the whole thing meaningless. The vast majority of people could disagree with everything you say yet have no way of expressing it. Simply by posting alot you can get a huge number of likes, and only the trully demented can post alot on eve-o.
You are just a drama queen milking this for your own ends. |
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Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
72
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:44:00 -
[2071] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.
Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer? Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name. But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll. You don't speak for me. perhaps so but my last post on the subject on page 99 has more likes than you have.
Jade - you've always been a conspiracy theorist when it comes to EVE (remember when you thought Teutonic Guard were the puppet masters of Providence in 2010?), so I'm sorry: having a few Likes on an internet spacehships forum does not make you a representative of said internet spaceships community.
Being an effective CSM member does, though. Oh, wait: you tried that, and failed miserably. |
Mutheer Lelmata'eb
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:45:00 -
[2072] - Quote
Is this where the posting is? I want to make sure I never stop. |
doombreed52
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:46:00 -
[2073] - Quote
so basically everyone is looking for a scapegoat cause some ****** on massively started this whole thing. also i find it interesting that everyone wants mittens thrown out he represents not just goonswarm and its allies but you get people from outside the CFC voting for him to be in office again because he actually did something useful unlike 1-5. and if someone really was going to kill Themistocles over this then i don't even know because that kind of thinking is insanely stupid. If the person is "old enough" to play this game then why the hell would they consider killing themselves it says on the front door this is a bitter hateful game if you are a pansy don't go in. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:47:00 -
[2074] - Quote
K0enig wrote:this really looks like a 100% clean factor. http://i.imgur.com/w6WrT.pngspecially after seeing that 1 .. guess posting stuff only works from one side when your a goonie.
I'd like to say something along the line of "Dates are hard" here, by which I'd be implying that you are inable to figure out that those tweets were from last year when some guy got really really upset that sometimes adults get drunk and swear but that might be classed as cyber bullying so I won't. |
Tamir Lenk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:48:00 -
[2075] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:[quote=Kallynda Nai]
Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.
And sure, its exploitable and many of the goons have done just that with script-hacks and such - but generally you can see when a quality poster is attracting likes for a post it means they are putting a reasonable argument across.
Tell me more about these "script hacks." That is a pretty strong accusation. Are you sure that goons have violated the ToS, the DMCA and other statutes to use some technical measure to inflate the "likes" for their posts? Or do you blithely libel people out of habit?
Perhaps you have been drinking.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1514
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:49:00 -
[2076] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.
Likes on a forum that doesn't allow dislikes are meaningless
The reason the forum doesn't allow dislikes is :goons: because having the ability to downvote a post would lead to the kind of mob-posting goons are known for. By allowing upvotes "likes" only then you promote a system where its only possible to compete with other posters by posting better yourself rather than organizing a numbers based down vote campaign. But then you know this already.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
doombreed52
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:49:00 -
[2077] - Quote
say what you want but most of the time goons are quality posters. and jade just got booshed
EDIT addin
jade just stop posting. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1514
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:51:00 -
[2078] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: Because likes on a website matter... Are you going to crow about your k/d ratio next?
Well like it or not *ahem* one of the ways that we can get a sense of how well a forum discussion is going is to see whether third party reads support a particular point of view or not. Imagine for a moment if Eve forums had a system whereby you could sort the responses to a thread by "likes" (as is common with many media sites that allow public posting incidently). Then you'd probably see the "goonish" responses banished to the outdarkness of page 100+ while more genuinely thought out posts were closer to the start. Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read. And sure, its exploitable and many of the goons have done just that with script-hacks and such - but generally you can see when a quality poster is attracting likes for a post it means they are putting a reasonable argument across. I tend to "like" posts that have some substance (or occassionally ones that make me laugh). The reason why you have attracted so few likes is that you aren't really saying anything that 10,000 goons haven't said already. (la la la la I'm not listening la). Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction Likes received: 1,512 The Mittani GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation Likes received: 6,990 HAX!
The irony is Mittani has 10,000 followers in his alliance, I have about 70 comrades. Some quick sums would show that means only about 70% of goonswarm actually approve of him whereas about 1430 non SF approve of me :)
Statistics are lovely aren't they.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:52:00 -
[2079] - Quote
K0enig wrote:this really looks like a 100% clean factor. http://i.imgur.com/w6WrT.pngspecially after seeing that 1 .. guess posting stuff only works from one side when your a goonie.
Hahaha I love it....anime avatar LOL |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
549
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:53:00 -
[2080] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: Because likes on a website matter... Are you going to crow about your k/d ratio next?
Well like it or not *ahem* one of the ways that we can get a sense of how well a forum discussion is going is to see whether third party reads support a particular point of view or not. Imagine for a moment if Eve forums had a system whereby you could sort the responses to a thread by "likes" (as is common with many media sites that allow public posting incidently). Then you'd probably see the "goonish" responses banished to the outdarkness of page 100+ while more genuinely thought out posts were closer to the start. Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read. And sure, its exploitable and many of the goons have done just that with script-hacks and such - but generally you can see when a quality poster is attracting likes for a post it means they are putting a reasonable argument across. I tend to "like" posts that have some substance (or occassionally ones that make me laugh). The reason why you have attracted so few likes is that you aren't really saying anything that 10,000 goons haven't said already. (la la la la I'm not listening la). Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction Likes received: 1,512 The Mittani GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation Likes received: 6,990 HAX! The irony is Mittani has 10,000 followers in his alliance, I have about 70 comrades. Some quick sums would show that means only about 70% of goonswarm actually approve of him whereas about 1430 non SF approve of me :) Statistics are lovely aren't they.
I don't approve of you. I never found you to be good for anything really, even when you were a part of the CSM. You were less useful than Ankh. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:53:00 -
[2081] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Yeep wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.
Likes on a forum that doesn't allow dislikes are meaningless The reason the forum doesn't allow dislikes is :goons: because having the ability to downvote a post would lead to the kind of mob-posting goons are known for. By allowing upvotes "likes" only then you promote a system where its only possible to compete with other posters by posting better yourself rather than organizing a numbers based down vote campaign. But then you know this already.
So what you're saying is that its important that we don't have dislikes because otherwise loads of people would dislike you and that would be mean? |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:54:00 -
[2082] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Yeep wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.
Likes on a forum that doesn't allow dislikes are meaningless The reason the forum doesn't allow dislikes is :goons: because having the ability to downvote a post would lead to the kind of mob-posting goons are known for. By allowing upvotes "likes" only then you promote a system where its only possible to compete with other posters by posting better yourself rather than organizing a numbers based down vote campaign. But then you know this already.
- If a lot of forum members "like" a Goon post they're just "mob" liking
- If The Mittani has more likes than you (~4x the likes at the last count) it's just down to HAX
- Any other situation is suddenly and miraculously a legitimate indicator of a person's posting quality and his standing amongst the "playerbase"
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
241
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:55:00 -
[2083] - Quote
just come out and say it mittani should resign
because goons ganked your macks because he shitcanned your space barbie gay bar because cfc evicted your regions because he nerfed your supercaps and titans because you got recruitment scammed because you was a goon hater all along
and this is the only time when you can do something about your impotent rage and hatred for him, kick a man while he is down is how youse bitchess roll
ya'll bitchessses aint shite
wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:56:00 -
[2084] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:just come out and say it mittani should resign
because goons ganked your macks because he shitcanned your space barbie gay bar because cfc evicted your regions because he nerfed your supercaps and titans because you got recruitment scammed because you was a goon hater all along
and this is the only time when you can do something about your impotent rage and hatred for him, kick a man while he is down is how youse bitchess roll
ya'll bitchessses aint shite
|
Prince Kobol
356
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:57:00 -
[2085] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Bill Banner wrote:102 pages and no Lady Harlot?
Damn, that alone is refreshing. I'm assuming she got herself banned but can't be sure obviously CCP don't publish a pillory
Also noticed there has been no post from Lyris Nairn either |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:57:00 -
[2086] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:just come out and say it mittani should resign
because goons ganked your macks because he shitcanned your space barbie gay bar because cfc evicted your regions because he nerfed your supercaps and titans because you got recruitment scammed because you was a goon hater all along
and this is the only time when you can do something about your impotent rage and hatred for him, kick a man while he is down is how youse bitchess roll
ya'll bitchessses aint shite
Hold on, we like kicking a man while he is down too. I think this means the pubbies are starting to adopt goon tactics! |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:57:00 -
[2087] - Quote
You know what. All this pubbie B*** S*** is entirely too funny. You complain and gripe about an aspect of the game that is prevalent and real in the arena of play. If such an environment did not exist, then Empire space would be completely safe, no pirates would exist and no conflict would exist in game. Guess what, even the presentations were a reflection of the gaming community, NOT the players real life, even though real people were present.
GET OVER YOURSELF already. Holy Sh!7!!!! Crawl back in to your hole and go play ANGRY BIRDS and take your frustrations on on something where no-one loses except you and your whiny ass, disillusioned pansies that you associate with.
IF, I was offended, the dude apologized. so STFU and move on. I thought is was funny as hell myself. I know all your friends IRL don't need any enemies with folks like you around. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
94
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:57:00 -
[2088] - Quote
Is this authentic? Rather makes it sound as if The Mittani a) knew about what he said before he landed (contra his apology), and b) remained disparaging about the issue despite having read the 'stupid media hit pieces'. Indeed, the main sense is of someone working out how to minimise the political fallout. But then, I don't know how these internal Goon things work so any light that a Goon might shed on this would be appreciated.
Quote:
92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:58:00 -
[2089] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: Because likes on a website matter... Are you going to crow about your k/d ratio next?
Well like it or not *ahem* one of the ways that we can get a sense of how well a forum discussion is going is to see whether third party reads support a particular point of view or not. Imagine for a moment if Eve forums had a system whereby you could sort the responses to a thread by "likes" (as is common with many media sites that allow public posting incidently). Then you'd probably see the "goonish" responses banished to the outdarkness of page 100+ while more genuinely thought out posts were closer to the start. Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read. And sure, its exploitable and many of the goons have done just that with script-hacks and such - but generally you can see when a quality poster is attracting likes for a post it means they are putting a reasonable argument across. I tend to "like" posts that have some substance (or occassionally ones that make me laugh). The reason why you have attracted so few likes is that you aren't really saying anything that 10,000 goons haven't said already. (la la la la I'm not listening la).
Seriously? Holy ****, that's incredibly ********.
Also, you don't understand statistics. |
Care Bear King
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:58:00 -
[2090] - Quote
Dear The Mittani,
Apology accepted, but not really needed in the first place. I had just assumed you were into LARPing. (apropos?) I suppose the lack of cosplay should have been a hint.
Don't resign. You've been too effective as The Chairman. |
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
94
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:59:00 -
[2091] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:just come out and say it mittani should resign
because goons ganked your macks because he shitcanned your space barbie gay bar because cfc evicted your regions because he nerfed your supercaps and titans because you got recruitment scammed because you was a goon hater all along
and this is the only time when you can do something about your impotent rage and hatred for him, kick a man while he is down is how youse bitchess roll
ya'll bitchessses aint shite
It's kind of sweet when Goons whine about being metagamed. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 14:59:00 -
[2092] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Bill Banner wrote:102 pages and no Lady Harlot?
Damn, that alone is refreshing. I'm assuming she got herself banned but can't be sure obviously CCP don't publish a pillory Also noticed there has been no post from Lyris Nairn either
Shame really .. I had some respect for in a (dis)honourable enemy sort of way
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:00:00 -
[2093] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:just come out and say it mittani should resign
because goons ganked your macks because he shitcanned your space barbie gay bar because cfc evicted your regions because he nerfed your supercaps and titans because you got recruitment scammed because you was a goon hater all along
and this is the only time when you can do something about your impotent rage and hatred for him, kick a man while he is down is how youse bitchess roll
ya'll bitchessses aint shite
You always have such a balanced perspective on things. Frankly I'm concerned about what this could do to the game if this is ignored. Not really worried about about Goon's, sorry your low on the list. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Capacity gear
Stella Contego Security Stella Stargate Security
12
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:00:00 -
[2094] - Quote
I can't help but feel these first 105 pages have only scratched the surface of the real issue here,. lets try and clear it up in the next 105 |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
27
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:01:00 -
[2095] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Yeep wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.
Likes on a forum that doesn't allow dislikes are meaningless The reason the forum doesn't allow dislikes is :goons: because having the ability to downvote a post would lead to the kind of mob-posting goons are known for. By allowing upvotes "likes" only then you promote a system where its only possible to compete with other posters by posting better yourself rather than organizing a numbers based down vote campaign. But then you know this already.
No. It is a way for a vocal minority with too much free time (looking at you) on their hands to prove to themselves they are right. Your paranoia about CFC forum powers is amusing also. Can you not see that the CFC could easily just act as you do and post all over the place building likes and drowning these forums in a terrible sea of badposting. We can start now if you want, you wanna roll? |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:01:00 -
[2096] - Quote
geez. I go missing for 2 days and eve implodes! The Mittani made a mistake and he appologised for it. No need to crusify him to the stake. I dont particularly like the guy nor his policies but he has recognized the error in his ways. Time to let it go. Spread the love, but kill the goons!
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Dranchela
Flashpoint Industries
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:02:00 -
[2097] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:just come out and say it mittani should resign
because goons ganked your macks because he shitcanned your space barbie gay bar because cfc evicted your regions because he nerfed your supercaps and titans because you got recruitment scammed because you was a goon hater all along
and this is the only time when you can do something about your impotent rage and hatred for him, kick a man while he is down is how youse bitchess roll
ya'll bitchessses aint shite
You always have such a balanced perspective on things. Frankly I'm concerned about what this could do to the game if this is ignored. Not really worried about about Goon's, sorry your low on the list.
This will not do anything to the game if ignored. |
Hellanna
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:02:00 -
[2098] - Quote
Why doesn't everyone just invade goonspace about it and show them you really ~care~
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Rocky McMiner
Inferno Technology Solutions
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:03:00 -
[2099] - Quote
My question is, if it was not intended to say these things, why have the convo with the miner saved? |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:03:00 -
[2100] - Quote
Andrea Roche wrote:geez. I go missing for 2 days and eve implodes! The Mittani made a mistake and he appologised for it. No need to crusify him to the stake. I dont particularly like the guy nor his policies but he has recognized the error in his ways. Time to let it go. Spread the love, but kill the goons!
Exactly. Why don't all you forum warriors 'protest' by invading VFK, we will be sure to welcome you with open arms. |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
434
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:04:00 -
[2101] - Quote
Capacity gear wrote:I can't help but feel these first 105 pages have only scratched the surface of the real issue here,. lets try and clear it up in the next 105
Come on EVE community be in anyway concise about anything...your asking a lot
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:04:00 -
[2102] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: You always have such a balanced perspective on things. Frankly I'm concerned about what this could do to the game if this is ignored. Not really worried about about Goon's, sorry your low on the list.
You should be more concerned about what it will do to the game if angry titan owning babies continue to blow things way out of proportion in a misguided (and frankly disgusting) attempt to play a depressed dude for internet political gain. |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:04:00 -
[2103] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Is this authentic? Rather makes it sound as if The Mittani a) knew about what he said before he landed (contra his apology), and b) remained disparaging about the issue despite having read the 'stupid media hit pieces'. Indeed, the main sense is of someone working out how to minimise the political fallout. But then, I don't know how these internal Goon things work so any light that a Goon might shed on this would be appreciated. Quote:
92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
Hey Mittens...
What do you and your governor Scott Walker have in common?
Your both getting thrown out of office via. recall!
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
~Deal with it~ |
Nano V
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:18:00 -
[2104] - Quote
Mittani has made a sincere apology, this should be the end of the matter. People who continue to drum up hysteria have their own agendas.
Mittani should continue to be the CSM chairman, he's done a great job and one mistake shouldn't undo a whole year of hard work and 10,000 votes. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:20:00 -
[2105] - Quote
Dranchela wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:just come out and say it mittani should resign
because goons ganked your macks because he shitcanned your space barbie gay bar because cfc evicted your regions because he nerfed your supercaps and titans because you got recruitment scammed because you was a goon hater all along
and this is the only time when you can do something about your impotent rage and hatred for him, kick a man while he is down is how youse bitchess roll
ya'll bitchessses aint shite
You always have such a balanced perspective on things. Frankly I'm concerned about what this could do to the game if this is ignored. Not really worried about about Goon's, sorry your low on the list. This will not do anything to the game if ignored. This was my opinion at the start of the other thread but this is now so viral with so many external mmo news pages picking it up, It will do a lot if ignored, also if it is ignored where is the line before CCP will act? There isnt much left. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
baltec1
900
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:24:00 -
[2106] - Quote
Rocky McMiner wrote:My question is, if it was not intended to say these things, why have the convo with the miner saved?
This is the sort of post you get when someone who has not seen what they are angry about. |
Prince Kobol
355
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:24:00 -
[2107] - Quote
Nano V wrote:Mittani has made a sincere apology, this should be the end of the matter. People who continue to drum up hysteria have their own agendas.
Mittani should continue to be the CSM chairman, he's done a great job and one mistake shouldn't undo a whole year of hard work and 10,000 votes.
I would agree however the problem is he has created a persona of somebody who is a lying cheating scamming bastard.
So with that in mind people are not going to accept his apology so readily.
You also have the numerous comments he made before the **** hit the fan and none of them were what you would call apologetic.
On top of that you have the following message,
92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
So yeah, no surprised that not many people believe his apology was sincere.
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Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:28:00 -
[2108] - Quote
A few comments form around the gaming world:
Quote:This game's player base is the pit of the human cesspool.
Quote:Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings.
Quote:Just be glad all of these sociopaths have EVE to play, which hopefully keeps them out of most other MMOs
Quote:This is exact type of person EVE deserves as CSM chairman. No wonder CCP isn't going to ban him and also no wonder game doesn't progress anywhere - it's already perfect as arena for cyber-bullying sociopaths.
Quote:With each passing news story on Eve Online, I am LESS interested in trying the game.
great publicity there. |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:28:00 -
[2109] - Quote
I'm glad to read the full unreserved apology.
This is good enough for me. The Mittani is worth redemption. |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:28:00 -
[2110] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Frying Doom wrote: You always have such a balanced perspective on things. Frankly I'm concerned about what this could do to the game if this is ignored. Not really worried about about Goon's, sorry your low on the list.
You should be more concerned about what it will do to the game if angry titan owning babies continue to blow things way out of proportion in a misguided (and frankly disgusting) attempt to play a depressed dude for internet political gain.
I do not own a Titan, I could care less about any changes they make as I am a new player. I do care about being able to keep playing this game and not have my game taken away from me because of some drunk coward.
What was said and what happen are only minor details. The fact that this got leaked, given, to the gaming press and that it could be picked up by the main street media in the USA is scary as we have a cyber bullying PC crusade going on here and this would be even more ammo for their cause.
The problem is more of the What Ifs then what is happening or as happened in EVE. I agree had this been an EVE only issue, this would be way over blown but since it can and has involved parties out side of EVE Online, that is what has me worried. |
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Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
909
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:28:00 -
[2111] - Quote
This seemed appropriate to post in a thread that wouldn't be locked.
Quote:Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow.
http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf
Quote:EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE
As an Eve Online subscriber, you must observe and abide by the rules of conduct and policies outlined below, as well as the End User License Agreement. Failure to comply with these regulations can result in the immediate termination of your account and you will forfeit all unused access time to the game. No refunds will be given.
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:28:00 -
[2112] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Nano V wrote:Mittani has made a sincere apology, this should be the end of the matter. People who continue to drum up hysteria have their own agendas.
Mittani should continue to be the CSM chairman, he's done a great job and one mistake shouldn't undo a whole year of hard work and 10,000 votes. I would agree however the problem is he has created a persona of somebody who is a lying cheating scamming bastard. So with that in mind people are not going to accept his apology so readily. You also have the numerous comments he made before the **** hit the fan and none of them were what you would call apologetic. On top of that you have the following message, 92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** So yeah, no surprised that not many people believe his apology was sincere.
So because he made an apology, he is no longer allowed to be an alliance leader? Is this what you're saying? |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:31:00 -
[2113] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Nano V wrote:Mittani has made a sincere apology, this should be the end of the matter. People who continue to drum up hysteria have their own agendas.
Mittani should continue to be the CSM chairman, he's done a great job and one mistake shouldn't undo a whole year of hard work and 10,000 votes. I would agree however the problem is he has created a persona of somebody who is a lying cheating scamming bastard. So with that in mind people are not going to accept his apology so readily. You also have the numerous comments he made before the **** hit the fan and none of them were what you would call apologetic. On top of that you have the following message, 92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** So yeah, no surprised that not many people believe his apology was sincere.
Why would an internal director broadcast to Goons, written on the move and concerning alliance business have to be written in a way that appeases your terrible pubbie sentimentality? It's not like it says, "Hahaha my EveO apology was a lie!" If you think it does say this then state exactly where. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
27
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:33:00 -
[2114] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: On top of that you have the following message,
92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
So yeah, no surprised that not many people believe his apology was sincere.
What exactly is wrong with the message? |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:33:00 -
[2115] - Quote
Twulf wrote: I do not own a Titan, I could care less about any changes they make as I am a new player. I do care about being able to keep playing this game and not have my game taken away from me because of some drunk coward.
What was said and what happen are only minor details. The fact that this got leaked, given, to the gaming press and that it could be picked up by the main street media in the USA is scary as we have a cyber bullying PC crusade going on here and this would be even more ammo for their cause.
The problem is more of the What Ifs then what is happening or as happened in EVE. I agree had this been an EVE only issue, this would be way over blown but since it can and has involved parties out side of EVE Online, that is what has me worried.
Fair enough you don't own a titan, but there are people (many of them in this thread) who are intent on making this as big an issue as possible because they want to hurt The Mittani and they either can't see or don't care what damage their embellishments and hyperbole will do. Get mad at those guys not the dude who said a stupid thing about someone or the "victim"who doesn't care. |
Prince Kobol
362
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:37:00 -
[2116] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Nano V wrote:Mittani has made a sincere apology, this should be the end of the matter. People who continue to drum up hysteria have their own agendas.
Mittani should continue to be the CSM chairman, he's done a great job and one mistake shouldn't undo a whole year of hard work and 10,000 votes. I would agree however the problem is he has created a persona of somebody who is a lying cheating scamming bastard. So with that in mind people are not going to accept his apology so readily. You also have the numerous comments he made before the **** hit the fan and none of them were what you would call apologetic. On top of that you have the following message, 92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** So yeah, no surprised that not many people believe his apology was sincere. So because he made an apology, he is no longer allowed to be an alliance leader? Is this what you're saying?
You posting skills are pretty bad, I expect a lot better from a Goon.
What I am saying is that you can't pretend to be a lying, cheating, scamming pubbie hating bastard for years, make a number of comments which basically translate to **** you, I don't care what you think, and then when the **** hits the fan for people to suddenly believe your apology is sincere.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1520
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:38:00 -
[2117] - Quote
Doddy wrote: No. It is a way for a vocal minority with too much free time (looking at you) on their hands to prove to themselves they are right. Your paranoia about CFC forum powers is amusing also. Can you not see that the CFC could easily just act as you do and post all over the place building likes and drowning these forums in a terrible sea of badposting. We can start now if you want, you wanna roll?
You seem to misunderstand the point. I know you guys can spam nonsense all over the forums - we've seen ample evidence of that every time something in the game goes some way you don't approve of. But you are incapable of posting well - thats why you don't really like the "like" system.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
adopt
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
330
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:39:00 -
[2118] - Quote
Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
The first jabber broadcast is in relation to Mittens winning, goons will burn Jita for a weekend.
The second is in relation to 3 Titans killed, someone scamming 100bil, and him receiving 10,000 votes in the election.
I honestly don't see why people are crying so much, forgive and forget. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
Prince Kobol
362
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:39:00 -
[2119] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: On top of that you have the following message,
92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
So yeah, no surprised that not many people believe his apology was sincere.
What exactly is wrong with the message?
Nothing, other then it would suggest that his apology is nothing more then spin and not in the least bit sincere. |
Saint Lazarus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
194
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:39:00 -
[2120] - Quote
In a thread like this its probably just pissing in the wind.
But I'm sorry I (like many) for laughin during the presentation, alot of people can attest I felt like a **** for it afterwards, if EvE was just a game we wouldnt all of been in Iceland in the first place. It was mob mentality mixed with booze but alot of the people in that hall validated Mittanis conduct by laughing n spurring it on.
So yea I'm sorry |
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Dejavoo Tivianne
Fortes Fortuna Iuvat
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:40:00 -
[2121] - Quote
tollalala lol la la lol la loooll.....aaaaaaaaaeeeyh !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY
hehe :) |
adopt
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
330
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:41:00 -
[2122] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Orkasm wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Nano V wrote:Mittani has made a sincere apology, this should be the end of the matter. People who continue to drum up hysteria have their own agendas.
Mittani should continue to be the CSM chairman, he's done a great job and one mistake shouldn't undo a whole year of hard work and 10,000 votes. I would agree however the problem is he has created a persona of somebody who is a lying cheating scamming bastard. So with that in mind people are not going to accept his apology so readily. You also have the numerous comments he made before the **** hit the fan and none of them were what you would call apologetic. On top of that you have the following message, 92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** So yeah, no surprised that not many people believe his apology was sincere. So because he made an apology, he is no longer allowed to be an alliance leader? Is this what you're saying? You posting skills are pretty bad, I expect a lot better from a Goon. What I am saying is that you can't pretend to be a lying, cheating, scamming pubbie hating bastard for years, make a number of comments which basically translate to **** you, I don't care what you think, and then when the **** hits the fan for people to suddenly believe your apology is sincere.
Hes not a good, hes in WIdot.
WIdot posting worst posting.
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:42:00 -
[2123] - Quote
[quote=Kievan Arakyd]A few comments form around the gaming world:
Those people would never have played anyway and you know it. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
300
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:42:00 -
[2124] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:This seemed appropriate to post in a thread that wouldn't be locked. Quote:Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdfQuote:EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE
As an Eve Online subscriber, you must observe and abide by the rules of conduct and policies outlined below, as well as the End User License Agreement. Failure to comply with these regulations can result in the immediate termination of your account and you will forfeit all unused access time to the game. No refunds will be given.
You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers. This includes, but is not limited to: petitioning with false information in an attempt to gain from it or have someone else suffer from it; sending excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions; obstructing CCP Employees from doing their jobs; refusal to follow the instructions of a CCP Employee; or implying favoritism by a CCP Employee. http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp
What is your point exactly? With a conservative interpretation of these rules, all alliance leaders at fanfest should be banned and most players too. A more liberal interpretation might free everybody. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1520
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:43:00 -
[2125] - Quote
Yeep wrote: So what you're saying is that its important that we don't have dislikes because otherwise loads of goons people would dislike you and that would be pathetic mean?
fyp
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:43:00 -
[2126] - Quote
Il Reverendo wrote:Well that was step one, just about. Where's that step two you mentioned?
Getting a face. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Hellanna
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:44:00 -
[2127] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Yeep wrote: So what you're saying is that its important that we don't have dislikes because otherwise loads of goons people would dislike you and that would be pathetic mean?
fyp
Shut up. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:44:00 -
[2128] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Doddy wrote: No. It is a way for a vocal minority with too much free time (looking at you) on their hands to prove to themselves they are right. Your paranoia about CFC forum powers is amusing also. Can you not see that the CFC could easily just act as you do and post all over the place building likes and drowning these forums in a terrible sea of badposting. We can start now if you want, you wanna roll?
You seem to misunderstand the point. I know you guys can spam nonsense all over the forums - we've seen ample evidence of that every time something in the game goes some way you don't approve of. But you are incapable of posting well - thats why you don't really like the "like" system.
But you are one of the worst posters eve has ever known and yet you have likes. Because the like system is designed so that more posts = more likes with no quality control. You may pretend its only goons that think your posting is bad but its the same on every forum, a jade post is a self agrandizing post made for some obscure ego reasons. If this forum had dislikes and goons were not allowed to use it you would still be negative. Instead you just jump on bandwagons to farm likes so you can pretend to be important. |
Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:47:00 -
[2129] - Quote
No. A real apology goes something like thisI have harmed you in the pst by blah blah blah and I must do this at anycost to be able to live with myself, I will never do blah blah blah behavior again. I know what I've done but am not sure I can fathom all the damage that has done to you. What would YOU suggest I do to repair the damage I have done in the past.
Then you listen and endevor to fulfill the persons requests if it takes a life time. and once you pay the price you find you never want to do that blah blah blah stuff again.
Those who cannot learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. Those posts don't look like hes learned any such thing. |
StevieTopSiders
Evolution
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:47:00 -
[2130] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Doddy wrote: No. It is a way for a vocal minority with too much free time (looking at you) on their hands to prove to themselves they are right. Your paranoia about CFC forum powers is amusing also. Can you not see that the CFC could easily just act as you do and post all over the place building likes and drowning these forums in a terrible sea of badposting. We can start now if you want, you wanna roll?
You seem to misunderstand the point. I know you guys can spam nonsense all over the forums - we've seen ample evidence of that every time something in the game goes some way you don't approve of. But you are incapable of posting well - thats why you don't really like the "like" system. But you are one of the worst posters eve has ever known and yet you have likes. Because the like system is designed so that more posts = more likes with no quality control. You may pretend its only goons that think your posting is bad but its the same on every forum, a jade post is a self agrandizing post made for some obscure ego reasons. If this forum had dislikes and goons were not allowed to use it you would still be negative. Instead you just jump on bandwagons to farm likes so you can pretend to be important. Jade, K.com is calling your name. See how many likes you get on a forum of good posters. |
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:48:00 -
[2131] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Doddy wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: On top of that you have the following message,
92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
So yeah, no surprised that not many people believe his apology was sincere.
What exactly is wrong with the message? Nothing, other then it would suggest that his apology is nothing more then spin and not in the least bit sincere.
In what way? Do you disagree the piece was stupid, or that it was in the media? Does him telling goons not to threadnaught in his support somehow mean he takes back is apology? Does him saying he wont quit game mean he has taken back is apology?
Or is it the fact hedares to congratulate his alliance somehow have something to do with it. Did this ice miner own these NC. titans or something?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1520
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:49:00 -
[2132] - Quote
Doddy wrote:[quote=Jade Constantine][quote=Doddy] But you are one of the worst posters eve has ever known and yet you have likes. Because the like system is designed so that more posts = more likes with no quality control. You may pretend its only goons that think your posting is bad but its the same on every forum, a jade post is a self agrandizing post made for some obscure ego reasons. If this forum had dislikes and goons were not allowed to use it you would still be negative. Instead you just jump on bandwagons to farm likes so you can pretend to be important.
Alternatively you could address the substance of the post I made earlier rather than desperately trying to wriggle off the subject. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1013943#post1013943
Go ahead and try to have a mature discussion rather than silly flame freakout. You might like it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1359
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:50:00 -
[2133] - Quote
TL:DR;
Mittani was somewhat high spirited on spirits and said regrettable things.
Now who here has not ever done that?
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Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
225
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:50:00 -
[2134] - Quote
adopt wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Orkasm wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Nano V wrote:Mittani has made a sincere apology, this should be the end of the matter. People who continue to drum up hysteria have their own agendas.
Mittani should continue to be the CSM chairman, he's done a great job and one mistake shouldn't undo a whole year of hard work and 10,000 votes. I would agree however the problem is he has created a persona of somebody who is a lying cheating scamming bastard. So with that in mind people are not going to accept his apology so readily. You also have the numerous comments he made before the **** hit the fan and none of them were what you would call apologetic. On top of that you have the following message, 92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
(2:50:01 AM) directorbot: Also, 3 ncdot titans, a 100b scam, and 10k votes? You magnificent bastards. I should leave you for a week unsupervised more often.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** So yeah, no surprised that not many people believe his apology was sincere. So because he made an apology, he is no longer allowed to be an alliance leader? Is this what you're saying? You posting skills are pretty bad, I expect a lot better from a Goon. What I am saying is that you can't pretend to be a lying, cheating, scamming pubbie hating bastard for years, make a number of comments which basically translate to **** you, I don't care what you think, and then when the **** hits the fan for people to suddenly believe your apology is sincere. Hes not a good, hes in WIdot. WIdot posting worst posting.
And you're in fucing ENL-I . sup? |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
89
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:50:00 -
[2135] - Quote
You should step down. You have viloated the position you were granted as CSM. People choose you to speak for what the things they wanted in game.
Not for you to go out in a drunked state and harass people in "live" fashion. You've made a mistake and it's good that you've admitted to your error.
But you have not accepted the consequences of your action which will complete your raod to redemption that you are supposedly seeking.
Simply.. Step down.. |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:52:00 -
[2136] - Quote
Quote:I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces.
Yeah....He's sorry |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:53:00 -
[2137] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Yeep wrote: So what you're saying is that its important that we don't have dislikes because otherwise loads of goons people would dislike you and that would be pathetic mean?
fyp
A system where you can only express support skews numbers heavily in favour of people who polarize opinions. If I post something that 100 people love but every single other person who plays EvE hates vehemently I still have 100 likes. If I post something that 50,000 people agree with but only 10 love I have 10 likes. This is clearly broken in the name of not hurting anyone's feelings. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
61
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:55:00 -
[2138] - Quote
Wow...this conversation has gotten way off-topic while I was sleeping. Reminder time?
What this controversy is not:
- Cyber-bullying
- Character assassination
- Revenge for game nerfs
- Anti-GoonSwarm sensationalism
- Election corruption
- A reason for you to pretend you're a psychologist
- Interesting anymore
What this controversy is:
- Whether or not a person in a position of power suggesting people break game rules (without breaking any himself in the process) is acceptable conduct
- Whether or not a person who said they'd resign from said position of power actually resigns
- Failscading into irrelevant drivel about suicide, bad press, faux legalese, TItans, carebears, and some guy who spends $345 a month to mine ice.
Consider that before you click the POST button on your next bit of "OMG MITTANI R MAEK ATTEMPTD MERDER" text-diarrrhea. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
635
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:57:00 -
[2139] - Quote
Apollo-Moor wrote:You should step down. You have viloated the position you were granted as CSM. People choose you to speak for what the things they wanted in game.
Not for you to go out in a drunked state and harass people in "live" fashion. You've made a mistake and it's good that you've admitted to your error.
But you have not accepted the consequences of your action which will complete your raod to redemption that you are supposedly seeking.
Simply.. Step down.. Did you vote for him? |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
94
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:57:00 -
[2140] - Quote
Doddy wrote: What exactly is wrong with the message?
[/quote] You don't think there's anything that appears duplicitous? His public apology describes the deep personal shock he underwent in discovering what he had really said when he read the media reports and tells of how deeply ashamed he was by the contents. His message to the guys who are still on the forums claiming he didn't do anything wrong in the first place calls these revelatory media reports 'stupid media hit pieces'. That rather strongly suggests that reading them wasn't quite the humbling experience he claimed.
Then there's the fact that he posted details of his comments on the Eve forums two days before he remembered what happened. Odd that. |
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Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
98
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:58:00 -
[2141] - Quote
Apollo-Moor wrote:You should step down. You have viloated the position you were granted as CSM. People choose you to speak for what the things they wanted in game.
And though I don't agree with him much of the time, and thus voted for someone else, he does that job quite well. Further, though I very much doubt 10k *people* actually voted for him (I doubt that many even voted), there's obviously quite a few people who DO agree with the things he pushes for in the game. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
419
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:59:00 -
[2142] - Quote
Kievan Arakyd wrote:A few comments form around the gaming world: Quote:This game's player base is the pit of the human cesspool. Quote:Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings. Quote:This is exact type of person EVE deserves as CSM chairman. No wonder CCP isn't going to ban him and also no wonder game doesn't progress anywhere - it's already perfect as arena for cyber-bullying sociopaths. Quote:With each passing news story on Eve Online, I am LESS interested in trying the game. great publicity there.
The best of it is though, the publicity has happened because of the screaming enemies of The Mittani making a public exhibition of the game. These types fo things happen everywhere and in every walk of life, but they only become an issue when some buthurt small minded person picks it up and runs with it.
Guess what? No one is squeeky clean, if we look closely enough we see the cracks and the ugly truth beneath the veneer of humanity. You, yes YOU, every one of you reading this has thought or said or done things that someone somewhere thinks is abhorant and disgusting. What defines a community is whether it is quietly pointed out, dealt with and apologised for, or whether we allow our hatred to beat up the object of our hate, burn it and kick it to death and drag it though the streets shouting about it.
Take a look at what you have all done here, are you proud? You shouldnt be, you should be ashamed of dragging your community around the streets with a burning tyre around its bloody neck, paraded for the rest of the gaming world to see and hate you for. Because it isnt now Th eMittani they hate, it is this community, your community. Well done. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Anderron Shi
1st MC
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:59:00 -
[2143] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance.
I didn't know you were such a roleplayer!
Get some! |
Prince Kobol
366
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 15:59:00 -
[2144] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Doddy wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: On top of that you have the following message,
[i]92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, I return from the land of ice, snow, and stupid media hit pieces. While I'm in transit back to Madison, please follow Vile Rat's lead on the political fallout. This is not a 2007 threadnaught and I will never abandon you, so act like men. Jita will still burn, no matter what.
What exactly is wrong with the message? Nothing, other then it would suggest that his apology is nothing more then spin and not in the least bit sincere. In what way? Do you disagree the piece was stupid, or that it was in the media? Does him telling goons not to threadnaught in his support somehow mean he takes back is apology? Does him saying he wont quit game mean he has taken back is apology? Or is it the fact hedares to congratulate his alliance somehow have something to do with it. Did this ice miner own these NC. titans or something?
Whether I agree the stories that have been reported is stupid or not has no relevance. The fact is the story has been reported and that after what should of been a great Event for CCP from a media point of view, is now ironically a clusterfuck lol.
When you say stupid media hit - people will assume that he thinks the stories are stupid and he doesn't think he has done anything wrong.
Then he tells everybody to follow Vile's Rat lead which then makes you think that everything he has said since is nothing more then spin in order to get out of the situation he finds himself in.
What I would worry about more is the fact that some goons appear to be leaking information out there. |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:00:00 -
[2145] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Wow...this conversation has gotten way off-topic while I was sleeping. Reminder time? What this controversy is:
- Whether or not a person in a position of power suggesting people break game rules (without breaking any himself in the process) is acceptable conduct
- Whether or not a person who said they'd resign from said position of power actually resigns
- Failscading into irrelevant drivel about suicide, bad press, faux legalese, TItans, carebears, and some guy who spends $345 a month to mine ice.
Consider that before you click the POST button on your next bit of "OMG MITTANI R MAEK ATTEMPTD MERDER" text-diarrrhea.
You're missing a fundamental thing here about what this is:
He incited harassment of someone to the end that said harassment might cause suicide.
It's there in black and white; whether illegal or not - it is immoral, heinous and against the TOS and quite frankly a sad kick in the face to CCP after all the goodwill of the Fanfest.
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ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
473
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:00:00 -
[2146] - Quote
Standard ex-laywer "I dun goofed" response. Nice to see a crack in the flawless Mittani facade, though
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
blackpatch
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:01:00 -
[2147] - Quote
yo whats up
i wanted to mention that jade constantine has pretty much the worst avatar i've ever seen, it looks like a disfigured anime waifu with a couple of black eyes
well, seeya |
Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
14
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:02:00 -
[2148] - Quote
Interesting how reasonable calls for Mittens to act like a grown man (for a change), take responsibility for his actions and honorably resign in order to lessen pressure from bad publicity CCP and EVE are right now receiveing worldwide is regarded by Goons like someone wants to "hurt" them or their leader. Even if that might be true in case of some posters here, it's not really important - EVE is. Point is that this game, or more precisely our playerbase, already has ****** reputation in general gaming public, as it's being too often recognized as place of highest possible concentration of psychopats and all sorts of human filth. Leaving Mittens unscratched certainly won't help CCP to change this black picture. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
635
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:02:00 -
[2149] - Quote
Skogen Gump wrote:It's there in black and white; whether illegal or not - it is immoral, heinous and against the TOS and quite frankly a sad kick in the face to CCP after all the goodwill of the Fanfest.
The TOS does not apply to fanfest / outside the game. Did you even read the TOS? Let me answer that for you. No, you didn't. |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:03:00 -
[2150] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:You should step down. You have viloated the position you were granted as CSM. People choose you to speak for what the things they wanted in game.
Not for you to go out in a drunked state and harass people in "live" fashion. You've made a mistake and it's good that you've admitted to your error.
But you have not accepted the consequences of your action which will complete your raod to redemption that you are supposedly seeking.
Simply.. Step down.. Did you vote for him?
Does that matter? Cause no I didn't..
Don't test me goon. |
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
482
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:04:00 -
[2151] - Quote
Rocky McMiner wrote:My question is, if it was not intended to say these things, why have the convo with the miner saved? may I interest you in my very own mittani thread?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87117&find=unread
all "these things" were already said and posted 5 months ago
the mittani's role in the scam itself was extremely limited (he was sent the protection money) and the evemail conversation was stored/published by the goon who did all the legwork back in October/November. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
635
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:05:00 -
[2152] - Quote
Apollo-Moor wrote:Karadion wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:You should step down. You have viloated the position you were granted as CSM. People choose you to speak for what the things they wanted in game.
Not for you to go out in a drunked state and harass people in "live" fashion. You've made a mistake and it's good that you've admitted to your error.
But you have not accepted the consequences of your action which will complete your raod to redemption that you are supposedly seeking.
Simply.. Step down.. Did you vote for him? Does that matter? Cause no I didn't.. Don't test me goon. So you're projecting on what those people want including myself. At least 6000 of those voters wanted Mittani to represent them. We've already done our exit poll which we've counted how many have given their vote. 3 of my votes are for Mittani. |
EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
683
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:10:00 -
[2153] - Quote
Post. |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:10:00 -
[2154] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:Karadion wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:You should step down. You have viloated the position you were granted as CSM. People choose you to speak for what the things they wanted in game.
Not for you to go out in a drunked state and harass people in "live" fashion. You've made a mistake and it's good that you've admitted to your error.
But you have not accepted the consequences of your action which will complete your raod to redemption that you are supposedly seeking.
Simply.. Step down.. Did you vote for him? Does that matter? Cause no I didn't.. Don't test me goon. So you're projecting on what those people want including myself. At least 6000 of those voters wanted Mittani to represent them. We've already done our exit poll which we've counted how many have given their vote. 3 of my votes are for Mittani.
I'm not projecting anything. I said if the guy was really accepting any type of redemption he would step down. He's spent more than enough time in CSM. Had his gaming celebrity fun and all but dude just messed up. It's okay, it happens but just because it happens doesn't mean he's cool..
Weather he's in or not doesn't really effect my day to day gameplay, it's other peoples concious that have to deal with it. Even if they choose to sale themselves out 3 times over.. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:11:00 -
[2155] - Quote
Apollo-Moor wrote:Karadion wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:You should step down. You have viloated the position you were granted as CSM. People choose you to speak for what the things they wanted in game.
Not for you to go out in a drunked state and harass people in "live" fashion. You've made a mistake and it's good that you've admitted to your error.
But you have not accepted the consequences of your action which will complete your raod to redemption that you are supposedly seeking.
Simply.. Step down.. Did you vote for him? Does that matter? Cause no I didn't.. Don't test me goon.
Watch out, we've got a badass over here. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:11:00 -
[2156] - Quote
EnderCapitalG wrote:Post.
Confirming that this is a post. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
125
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:12:00 -
[2157] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Post. Confirming that this is a post.
Confirming the confirmation of a post is a post. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
636
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:12:00 -
[2158] - Quote
Apollo-Moor wrote:Karadion wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:Does that matter? Cause no I didn't..
Don't test me goon. So you're projecting on what those people want including myself. At least 6000 of those voters wanted Mittani to represent them. We've already done our exit poll which we've counted how many have given their vote. 3 of my votes are for Mittani. I'm not projecting anything. I said if the guy was really accepting any type of redemption he would step down. He's spent more than enough time in CSM. Had his gaming celebrity fun and all but dude just messed up. It's okay, it happens but just because it happens doesn't mean he's cool.. Weather he's in or not doesn't really effect my day to day gameplay, it's other peoples concious that have to deal with it. Even if they choose to sale themselves out 3 times over.. Really?
Quote:People choose you to speak for what the things they wanted in game. I certainly did and this does not change my vote. Projecting. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:13:00 -
[2159] - Quote
Would demanding Seppuku at this point be too ironic? |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:13:00 -
[2160] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:Karadion wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:You should step down. You have viloated the position you were granted as CSM. People choose you to speak for what the things they wanted in game.
Not for you to go out in a drunked state and harass people in "live" fashion. You've made a mistake and it's good that you've admitted to your error.
But you have not accepted the consequences of your action which will complete your raod to redemption that you are supposedly seeking.
Simply.. Step down.. Did you vote for him? Does that matter? Cause no I didn't.. Don't test me goon. What happens if he does? Yeah, I want to know that too!
Can't ask someone to step down thats not in a position. So I guess some of the post of him leaving would stop. I don't know what you quoters are trying to get from me.
Being yourselves will give you the answer you need.. I don't have to time to find your answers for you.. |
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Mogadishu Yacht-Club
Internet Space Ship Game
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:13:00 -
[2161] - Quote
I know what needs to happen. The Mittani needs to create an "Anti-whiny ***** that makes groundless suicidal threats and how to not ask people to go forth and help bring about their demise for the betterment of humanity psa". Everything will be okay after that. |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:14:00 -
[2162] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote: 1. There's nothing in the TOS about telling people to break the rules. What The Mittani said is no different from saying something like "hey guys, you should start botting". He didn't actually harass anyone.
2. I was unaware there was some kind of Global Morality Code that decides what is moral and what is not. I guess I can move back to Israel now, 'cause that whole morality conflict is all sorted.
1) Arguable really, this section seems to cover it to me: 'You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers.'
2) So that makes it Ok? |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:14:00 -
[2163] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Aldarica wrote:Interesting how reasonable calls for Mittens to act like a grown man (for a change), take responsibility for his actions and honorably resign in order to lessen pressure from bad publicity CCP and EVE are right now receiveing worldwide is regarded by Goons like someone wants to "hurt" them or their leader. Even if that might be true in case of some posters here, it's not really important - EVE is. Point is that this game, or more precisely our playerbase, already has ****** reputation in general gaming public, as it's being too often recognized as place of highest possible concentration of psychopats and all sorts of human filth. Leaving Mittens unscratched certainly won't help CCP to change this black picture. Kneejerk resignations are stupid whether they happen in business, politics or internet spaceship slapfights. And a couple of poorly researched negative articles on a few niche gamer websites are hardly worldwide bad publicity. Google news search "Eve Online" or "Eve Fanfest" and I only see 3 hits, none of them main articles. When some mainstream media picks up on it then you'll have a point but they tend to do a little more research than web forums and twitter.
But dude, there was a massively article! DON'T YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE READ THAT SITE!?!?!?!?!?! |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:15:00 -
[2164] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Skogen Gump wrote:It's there in black and white; whether illegal or not - it is immoral, heinous and against the TOS and quite frankly a sad kick in the face to CCP after all the goodwill of the Fanfest.
The TOS does not apply to fanfest / outside the game. Did you even read the TOS? Let me answer that for you. No, you didn't.
You sure about that? Because if I remember correctly plenty of people have been banned for out of game actions that breached the ToS, including Helicity Boson for an out of game exchange of emails with a mod last summer. But I'm sure you can find a quote that shows that all the points in the ToS only apply to ingame interactions. Or, actually, you probably can't.
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:19:00 -
[2165] - Quote
Skogen Gump wrote:Amity Lane wrote: 1. There's nothing in the TOS about telling people to break the rules. What The Mittani said is no different from saying something like "hey guys, you should start botting". He didn't actually harass anyone.
2. I was unaware there was some kind of Global Morality Code that decides what is moral and what is not. I guess I can move back to Israel now, 'cause that whole morality conflict is all sorted.
1) Arguable really, this section seems to cover it to me: 'You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers.' He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer?
Quote:2) So that makes it Ok? My point is that you can't use morality as a logical argument point. It varies form person to person and culture to culture. You can't just enforce your moral standpoint on other people because you think it's correct. |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
637
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:19:00 -
[2166] - Quote
ElQuirko wrote:Karadion wrote:"You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. " However, he was at fanfest - a venue under the jurisdiction of CCP. As chair of the CSM, he should be the epitome of the players of EVE. How do you think these actions reflect upon us? Read it again. "occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site" |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:21:00 -
[2167] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Skogen Gump wrote:Amity Lane wrote: 1. There's nothing in the TOS about telling people to break the rules. What The Mittani said is no different from saying something like "hey guys, you should start botting". He didn't actually harass anyone.
2. I was unaware there was some kind of Global Morality Code that decides what is moral and what is not. I guess I can move back to Israel now, 'cause that whole morality conflict is all sorted.
1) Arguable really, this section seems to cover it to me: 'You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers.' 2) So that makes it Ok? "You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. "
But didn't they stream it on their website though? |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:21:00 -
[2168] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Yeep wrote:Aldarica wrote:Interesting how reasonable calls for Mittens to act like a grown man (for a change), take responsibility for his actions and honorably resign in order to lessen pressure from bad publicity CCP and EVE are right now receiveing worldwide is regarded by Goons like someone wants to "hurt" them or their leader. Even if that might be true in case of some posters here, it's not really important - EVE is. Point is that this game, or more precisely our playerbase, already has ****** reputation in general gaming public, as it's being too often recognized as place of highest possible concentration of psychopats and all sorts of human filth. Leaving Mittens unscratched certainly won't help CCP to change this black picture. Kneejerk resignations are stupid whether they happen in business, politics or internet spaceship slapfights. And a couple of poorly researched negative articles on a few niche gamer websites are hardly worldwide bad publicity. Google news search "Eve Online" or "Eve Fanfest" and I only see 3 hits, none of them main articles. When some mainstream media picks up on it then you'll have a point but they tend to do a little more research than web forums and twitter. But dude, there was a massively article! DON'T YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE READ THAT SITE!?!?!?!?!?! The fact that Massively often run articles about Eve Online, interviews CCP Employees, shows that CCP care a lot about what Massively think and that is what is important.
It's also fairly common knowledge that the guy that writes those columns bears a huge grudge against Mittens. |
Prince Kobol
369
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:22:00 -
[2169] - Quote
Truth be told all this talk about whether he broke the EULA/TOS is pointless.
If CCP what to ban him they will, if they want to remove him from the CSM, they will.
It is their game, they make the rules.
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
637
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:22:00 -
[2170] - Quote
Krell Kroenen wrote:Karadion wrote:Skogen Gump wrote:Amity Lane wrote: 1. There's nothing in the TOS about telling people to break the rules. What The Mittani said is no different from saying something like "hey guys, you should start botting". He didn't actually harass anyone.
2. I was unaware there was some kind of Global Morality Code that decides what is moral and what is not. I guess I can move back to Israel now, 'cause that whole morality conflict is all sorted.
1) Arguable really, this section seems to cover it to me: 'You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers.' 2) So that makes it Ok? "You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. " But didn't they stream it on their website though? And? So you're saying that a person is a website now? We're all codes? |
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ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
476
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:22:00 -
[2171] - Quote
JamesCLK wrote: He was not at the alliance panel as Chairman of CSM 6, he was there as The Mittani, CEO of Goonswarm. How hard it it to understand this?
Oh right! So it'd be perfectly acceptable for, say, Obama to make obscene and offensive comments if he went shopping with his family as the father of the Obama household, but not as the president of the USA? The paparazzi would have a field day. Besides - he's chairman of CSM 7 now.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
641
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:23:00 -
[2172] - Quote
It has begun. Next episode of Dr. Phil to focus on cyber bullying.
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Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:23:00 -
[2173] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Yeep wrote:Aldarica wrote:Interesting how reasonable calls for Mittens to act like a grown man (for a change), take responsibility for his actions and honorably resign in order to lessen pressure from bad publicity CCP and EVE are right now receiveing worldwide is regarded by Goons like someone wants to "hurt" them or their leader. Even if that might be true in case of some posters here, it's not really important - EVE is. Point is that this game, or more precisely our playerbase, already has ****** reputation in general gaming public, as it's being too often recognized as place of highest possible concentration of psychopats and all sorts of human filth. Leaving Mittens unscratched certainly won't help CCP to change this black picture. Kneejerk resignations are stupid whether they happen in business, politics or internet spaceship slapfights. And a couple of poorly researched negative articles on a few niche gamer websites are hardly worldwide bad publicity. Google news search "Eve Online" or "Eve Fanfest" and I only see 3 hits, none of them main articles. When some mainstream media picks up on it then you'll have a point but they tend to do a little more research than web forums and twitter. But dude, there was a massively article! DON'T YOU KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE READ THAT SITE!?!?!?!?!?! 2? |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
637
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:23:00 -
[2174] - Quote
ElQuirko wrote:JamesCLK wrote: He was not at the alliance panel as Chairman of CSM 6, he was there as The Mittani, CEO of Goonswarm. How hard it it to understand this? Oh right! So it'd be perfectly acceptable for, say, Obama to make obscene and offensive comments if he went shopping with his family as the father of the Obama household, but not as the president of the USA? The paparazzi would have a field day. Besides - he's chairman of CSM 7 now. He was Chairman of the CSM6 at the time. The results were announced the next day. |
Joe Skellington
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
48
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:23:00 -
[2175] - Quote
This has all descended into "Melodrama", maybe it's time to move on and let the healing process begin? Just saying. -á-á |\__/|-á -á/ @ @ \ -á-á -á( > -¦ < )-á -á`-+-+x-½-½-¦ -á-á / O \ |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
98
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:24:00 -
[2176] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Would demanding Seppuku at this point be too ironic?
If he amputates his little finger...that should suffice. |
Pyrus Octavius
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:28:00 -
[2177] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
I really like this part of your statement. In this world there is real hate and real f'd up sh*t. This is a role playing game, and everyone has the right to play their "character" as they see fit. However, that role should remain in the game. I'm glad you recognize that.
Thanks for your apology.
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:29:00 -
[2178] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:EnderCapitalG wrote:Post. Confirming that this is a post.
And one of best here |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
436
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:29:00 -
[2179] - Quote
Stigman Zuwadza wrote:Mittani ISK Replacement Fund ======================== Send any ISK donations to me! I will ensure this ISK is funneled back to Mittani so he can start a new alt secretly and not be p00r.
Scam
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
243
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:29:00 -
[2180] - Quote
Krell Kroenen wrote:Karadion wrote:Skogen Gump wrote:Amity Lane wrote: 1. There's nothing in the TOS about telling people to break the rules. What The Mittani said is no different from saying something like "hey guys, you should start botting". He didn't actually harass anyone.
2. I was unaware there was some kind of Global Morality Code that decides what is moral and what is not. I guess I can move back to Israel now, 'cause that whole morality conflict is all sorted.
1) Arguable really, this section seems to cover it to me: 'You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers.' 2) So that makes it Ok? "You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. " But didn't they stream it on their website though? Good point. If I were CCP, I'd do max damage control and publicly do this, that and the other to remedy the situation. Including removing the offender as chairman and suspending him from the game for X days. Fair, not fair, whatever. Potential liability damage control-- businesses have to do it.
Anyway congrats to Alex Gianturco for manning up and posting a public apology. |
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
127
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:29:00 -
[2181] - Quote
ElQuirko wrote:JamesCLK wrote: He was not at the alliance panel as Chairman of CSM 6, he was there as The Mittani, CEO of Goonswarm. How hard it it to understand this? Oh right! So it'd be perfectly acceptable for, say, Obama to make obscene and offensive comments if he went shopping with his family as the father of the Obama household, but not as the president of the USA? The paparazzi would have a field day. Besides - he's chairman of CSM 7 now.
Mittens has admitted he went overboard; but this really doesn't have anything to do with his CSM status because it occured at the alliance panel - not the CSM panel. The consequences shouldn't be tied to the CSM, they should be tied to the alliance panel.
What I'm saying is that Mittens should probably be excluded from appearing at next years alliance panel as "punishment"; don't expect him to be running around in a purple wizard hat and doing jaeger bombs anytime soon either. This whole "OMG STEP DOWN FROM CHAIRMAN" situation is completely and utterly irrelevant to the alliance panel; it's the wish of people who want an excuse to not have to deal with another year of successful CSM chairmanship under Mittens. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:29:00 -
[2182] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Skogen Gump wrote:Amity Lane wrote: 1. There's nothing in the TOS about telling people to break the rules. What The Mittani said is no different from saying something like "hey guys, you should start botting". He didn't actually harass anyone.
2. I was unaware there was some kind of Global Morality Code that decides what is moral and what is not. I guess I can move back to Israel now, 'cause that whole morality conflict is all sorted.
1) Arguable really, this section seems to cover it to me: 'You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers.' 2) So that makes it Ok? "You will report out-of-game issues regarding harassment, such as threatening phone calls or correspondence, to your local law enforcement officials or Internet provider. CCP will not reveal personal information about its subscribers to unauthorized individuals. We are not responsible for actions taken by our subscribers that occur outside the jurisdiction of our game servers or web site. "
Repeat after me: 'A disclaimer of corporate responsibility is not the same thing as an exception from the rules for the actions for which responsibility is disclaimed.' Long sentence, but if you try hard enough I'm sure you'll manage to grasp it. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
313
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:29:00 -
[2183] - Quote
mittens should hop in a titan and let "the wis" and his corp pop the titan with the wis getting the final blow with his drones from his makinaw.
then everyone can move on and troll about something else. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
139
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:30:00 -
[2184] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer?
You would be just as guilty, the hand behind the hand that struck the blow. No real difference to hiring a killer, other than no money exchanging hands. |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
94
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:30:00 -
[2185] - Quote
Tamir Lenk wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:[quote=Karadion][quote=Apollo-Moor]
Don't test me goon. Why not? Have you engaged in some unsafe intimate contact? Denial won't save you. Get tested now so you can deal with the issue early. You should also notify anyone that you might have exposed, so they can get tested as well.
AAAAAAACCCCHHOOOOOOOOO...
Sorry...I'm alergic to **** riders...
and I've got blue balls from all the Goons in here.. |
Esbelta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:30:00 -
[2186] - Quote
Apollo-Moor wrote:Karadion wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:You should step down. You have viloated the position you were granted as CSM. People choose you to speak for what the things they wanted in game.
Not for you to go out in a drunked state and harass people in "live" fashion. You've made a mistake and it's good that you've admitted to your error.
But you have not accepted the consequences of your action which will complete your raod to redemption that you are supposedly seeking.
Simply.. Step down.. Did you vote for him? Does that matter? Cause no I didn't.. Don't test me goon.
Internet badasses are so ADORABLE!!! Will you be my white knight if I ever need one? |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
85
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:30:00 -
[2187] - Quote
Apollo-Moor wrote:Lexmana wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Apollo-Moor wrote:Karadion wrote: Did you vote for him?
Does that matter? Cause no I didn't.. Don't test me goon. What happens if he does? Yeah, I want to know that too! Can't ask someone to step down thats not in a position. So I guess some of the post of him leaving would stop. I don't know what you quoters are trying to get from me. Being yourselves will give you the answer you need.. I don't have to time to find your answers for you..
Lamesauce. I was hoping for some epic in-game retribution, not some muddled words that will be forgotten in an hour. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
228
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:30:00 -
[2188] - Quote
Joe Skellington wrote:This has all descended into "Melodrama", maybe it's time to move on and let the healing process begin? Just saying.
When you want to heal from being stabbed in the back, the first step is to remove the knife. Once Alex has resigned from the CSM and left Eve in disgrace we can begin to heal. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
436
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 16:32:00 -
[2189] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
I would suggest screenies of you biomassing
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
478
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:32:00 -
[2190] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Truth be told all this talk about whether he broke the EULA/TOS is pointless.
If CCP what to ban him they will, if they want to remove him from the CSM, they will.
It is their game, they make the rules.
Yes, but if CCP is seen as corrupting the CSM in this manner, they'll lose a huge amount of goodwill with the community.
If you watch the dipshits posting "zomg cyber bullying!!!!11" you'll find a trend -- they're overwhelmingly NPC Sockpuppets, Highsec pubbies, et cetera.
Sockpuppets' opinions literally are worthless, since they can simply come back with an infinite amount of sockpuppets to claim the same thing -- and as anyone who has taken basic Calculus knows, the limit of something divided by infinity is 0.
The highsec pubbies that keep ranting about the big bad Mittani literally don't get EVE. The idea that someone could be mean in a sandbox, or could enjoy something other than spoonfed, NPC generated content, is a complete mystery to them.
In short, their opinions are completely worthless, but they are loud, tiresome fucks who should be mocked at every opportunity.
Or "Pubbies," if we wish to be laconic. |
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:33:00 -
[2191] - Quote
Townsend Harris wrote: A;so, would multiple hundred page + threads where numerous posters call the Mittani all sorts of name constitute cyber bullying?
True,lets petition these pubbies!
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THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
85
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:33:00 -
[2192] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Joe Skellington wrote:This has all descended into "Melodrama", maybe it's time to move on and let the healing process begin? Just saying. When you want to heal from being stabbed in the back, the first step is to remove the knife. Once Alex has resigned from the CSM and left Eve in disgrace we can begin to heal.
Well that is rather melodramatic.
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:33:00 -
[2193] - Quote
Does anyone know if the guy with 23 accounts who was botting has been banned yet?
Rules are still rules. |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
99
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:34:00 -
[2194] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Townsend Harris wrote: A;so, would multiple hundred page + threads where numerous posters call the Mittani all sorts of name constitute cyber bullying?
True,lets petition these pubbies!
It's only bullying when OTHER people are doing it. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:35:00 -
[2195] - Quote
Karadion wrote:
You just answered your own question. Given the story of what Helicity did, it applied to the game.
Failing fast! So you now accept that if the actions 'apply' to the game then they are covered by the ToS. Let's see you jump through another hoop and tell us how the Mittani's actions, at eve fanfest, during the eve alliance panel, in a presentation about an eve alliance, aimed at an eve player, do not apply to the game? |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
436
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:45:00 -
[2196] - Quote
Townsend Harris wrote:[quote=Professor Alphane
I would suggest screenies of you biomassing God you're boring.....[/quote]
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Marduk Nibiru
Physical Chaos
99
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:45:00 -
[2197] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Joe Skellington wrote:This has all descended into "Melodrama", maybe it's time to move on and let the healing process begin? Just saying. When you want to heal from being stabbed in the back, the first step is to remove the knife. Once Alex has resigned from the CSM and left Eve in disgrace we can begin to heal.
Wow!
There must be some serious jealousy rage brewing here.
Now not only must he quit CSM, he has to quite EvE all together!
That's just ******* mean. |
Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:50:00 -
[2198] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer? Then I suppose military commanders who suggest their soldiers to ****, burn and kill civilians while they're calmly sit drinking booze in some tent 10 km behind the frontline are innocent? Or those mafia godfathers who never had a drop of blood spilled over their hands? Why should they, they were only "giving informations" to their hitmen eh.
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
436
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:51:00 -
[2199] - Quote
Scarboro Seric wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
I would suggest screenies of you biomassing [The entity known as 'The Mittani']
The irony!
Only honourable way out for Alex to my mind... No irony intended truely
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Ai Shun
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:52:00 -
[2200] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:Speaking of which, how is Lady Harlot doing? (S)he was posting like a mo-fo yesterday to uphold her man's honor but as soon as this thread came out the posting just stopped. I hope (s)he's ok.
Xython is taking the primary this shift. In 12 hours we'll rotate and then Harlot will be back pushing the script. |
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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
436
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:52:00 -
[2201] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:You know what, though?
This whole thing puts a completely different spin on the phrase "suicide ganking"
Bazinga.
I actually smiled, Damn battlefield humour
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
HazardsSoul
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:52:00 -
[2202] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Scarboro Seric wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
I would suggest screenies of you biomassing [The entity known as 'The Mittani']
The irony! Only honourable way out for Alex to my mind... No irony intended truely Kill yourself |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:52:00 -
[2203] - Quote
Professor Alphane wrote:Scarboro Seric wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
I would suggest screenies of you biomassing [The entity known as 'The Mittani']
The irony! Only honourable way out for Alex to my mind... No irony intended truely
Good thing your mind doesn't hold weight. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:54:00 -
[2204] - Quote
This has to stop!
Right now the forums are more fun than actually playing the game.
Should be the reverse right? |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
436
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:55:00 -
[2205] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:This has to stop!
Right now the forums are more fun than actually playing the game.
Should be the reverse right?
You new to EVE right?
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
232
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:56:00 -
[2206] - Quote
I especially loved the part of his "apology" where he tries to excuse everything he's ever posted on forums as "roleplaying".
Quote:It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance.
How does he reconcile this "excuse" with Item 4 of the TOS?
Quote:You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player[s]. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
The problem is that CCP has been ignoring this rule for the sake of milking publicity for far too long, and their complacency has finally caught up to them and bit them in the ass. Let a child play with a knife long enough and eventually there will be blood on the floor. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
436
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:58:00 -
[2207] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Scarboro Seric wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:
I would suggest screenies of you biomassing [The entity known as 'The Mittani']
The irony! Only honourable way out for Alex to my mind... No irony intended truely Good thing your mind doesn't hold weight.
True haven't been able to achieve telekinesis yet
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:59:00 -
[2208] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:
You might be shocked, but your morals are not the morals of those around you and (shock incoming) they aren't superior to those of others simply because they're yours.
Actually, I don't believe in morals See, now you're not even trying to be consistent. Being really tedious and boring on the forums does not mean that you are the same in real life I trust? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
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Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:01:00 -
[2209] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer?
Actually yes you are, you thinking that's an acceptable logic really makes me worried about your moral principles, this is what worries me in mankind, your logic... |
Nacion Allier
Hapes Consortium
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:04:00 -
[2210] - Quote
An apology by itself is fine, but the fundamental mindset of Mitani and the guys and girls behind him is outright wrong. Mitani should be banned and anyone who can be proved harassing the player should be banned also.
What is just as important in this case is what CCP intend to do. When push comes to shove then CCP will do absolutely nothing, because upsetting Goonies is equal to loosing income, and income is first priority everything else is secondaryGǪ sadly enough.
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:04:00 -
[2211] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:I especially loved the part of his "apology" where he tries to excuse everything he's ever posted on forums as "roleplaying". Quote:It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. How does he reconcile this "excuse" with Item 4 of the TOS? Quote:You may not use GÇ£role-playingGÇ¥ as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player[s]. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy. The problem is that CCP has been ignoring this rule for the sake of milking publicity for far too long, and their complacency has finally caught up to them and bit them in the ass. Let a child play with a knife long enough and eventually there will be blood on the floor.
One can do something regrettable and not have it as a violation of the rules. Besides, I hate to break it to you pubbie and those who think like you, but he never owed you a thing. He doesn't owe you or any other white knighting bystander a single thing. He made his apology to the guy that would have been impacted by his remarks and (shockingly) that guy doesn't really care enough about the whole thing one way or another. I'd suggest you refresh your sense of entitlement. |
Lorren Canada
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
225
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:04:00 -
[2212] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:Amity Lane wrote:He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer? Actually yes you are, you thinking that's an acceptable logic really makes me worried about your moral principles, this is what worries me in mankind, your logic...
You're fucking stupid dumpass |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:06:00 -
[2213] - Quote
Nacion Allier wrote:An apology by itself is fine, but the fundamental mindset of Mitani and the guys and girls behind him is outright wrong. Mitani should be banned and anyone who can be proved harassing the player should be banned also. What is just as important in this case is what CCP intend to do. When push comes to shove then CCP will do absolutely nothing, because upsetting Goonies is equal to loosing income, and income is first priority everything else is secondaryGǪ sadly enough. "I don't know what happened or what is going on but I heard something bad happened so I think this punishment without connection to the offense should be applied." |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:06:00 -
[2214] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:...he is no longer a fitting representative for the Eve player community and the longer he takes to gather his courage and follow-through with the promised resignation the more harm he continues to do.
Who gave you the right to speak for the "eve player community" oh wall-of-text producer? Well I could be flippant and say its because I have 40x as many likes as you for genuine posts or I could say its because I watched Fanfest and got the point of the messaging they were putting out (and agreed with it.) I could well say its because I won the CSM elections previously while most have probably never even heard your name. But ultimately the answer to your question is because I consider myself a member of the eve player community rather than a a member of some other community that just comes here to troll.
And I could be flippant and say that your opinion doesn't matter, because you'll do anything for money, including hang out in this here thread and suck off the people making sweeping generalizations, while claiming to be above such things and making sweeping generalizations yourself. Thinking that because 40 people clicked a button on your post or posts doesn't mean people actually 'Like' you, Jade. It just means that you managed to find a thread to post in where people don't see the hypocrisy in the above, and actually think you play this game for fun... as opposed to making money, however insignificant, on the game.
Understanding the concept of full disclosure, and realizing that once you've made money off a group of people, your opinions are nothing but a calculated attempt to GET MORE MONEY means that you really should stop broadcasting your own opinion, and try to stick to the realm of facts. It might actually garner you some credibility, and put you above the internet mob that you claim to be speaking for.
Come back when you've gotten not FORTY people to click your little ego button, but ten thousand, and we might take you seriously! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1527
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:06:00 -
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Doddy wrote: I haven't tried to wriggle out of anything jade, you posted about likes (you took it off topic not me), i responeded about the like system, you repsonded about the like system, i responded about the like system now you are deflecting.
Well we will agree then we both got off the topic and avoid the mistake in future.
Doddy wrote:As to the matter at hand far more damage has been done by people like you playing the matter to your own ends than the mittanis screw up. I am sure [redacted] just loves being the poster boy of jade online. I am sure being used to put another nail in the coffin of this game will help him get over his issues. Your post is all about Jade, anyone can see that, and screw anyone else.
I will tell you plainly I think the behaviour of Alexander Gianturco in his role as Chair of CSM6 is far more important by way of example and media impact than the situation of the mining barge guy (whom we're assured is quite okay). This turned out okay from a player health and rl angle so good. But the matter remains that the current chair of the CSM saw fit to get steaming drunk and invite people to troll some guy to death in the view of the cameras and gaming media and that is not okay.
Doddy wrote:Who are you to pass comments on Mittanis state of mind or what his wife should do? Accusing him of being delusional et all.
Well his wife said as much on SA. Talking of his episodes of "blind drunkenness" and fights where he couldn't remember what he'd done or said to anyone. One might say if this kind of stuff shouldn't be discussed on an internet forum why did she post it on an internet forum in the first place? Isn't it a bit ironic to hear a goon complaining about having one's personal laundrey aired out to dry in a scandal that arose from (well) hanging somebody else's emotional laundrey out to dry.
See, I wouldn't really be as interested in all this were you and a thousand other goons trying your level best to pass this stuff off as acceptable behaviour for a player of eve online in the environment of fanfest. Thats what rubs me up the wrong way really because its excusing this grevious breach of trust on Alexander's behalf and going some way to invalidate his apology. The goons are making it look like a false statement because they are effectively trying to justify this kind of thing in the fanfest environment.
Quote:You are just as bad as him but don't have the excuse of being drunk and making a flippant comment. You calculate. You use people. You probably drafted that post before posting it.
On that point we'll have to agree to disagree. I as a player of eve online have expressed my view that Alexander Gianturco is no longer an appropriate chair of the player council in Eve online. Its my right and priviledge as a paying customer of Eve to express this opinion as its your right to disagree. You may accuse me of whatever you please, it doesn't change what happened.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:07:00 -
[2216] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:Amity Lane wrote:He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer? Actually yes you are, you thinking that's an acceptable logic really makes me worried about your moral principles, this is what worries me in mankind, your logic...
We are literally in the movie Minority Report. Let's arrest and imprision anyone who makes a suggestive comment, ever. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:08:00 -
[2217] - Quote
Lorren Canada wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:Amity Lane wrote:He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer? Actually yes you are, you thinking that's an acceptable logic really makes me worried about your moral principles, this is what worries me in mankind, your logic... You're f ucking stupid dumpass
What's a dumpass? Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
51
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:09:00 -
[2218] - Quote
I luv playing EVE...
I really do.... |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:10:00 -
[2219] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Kara Roideater wrote: His message to the guys who are still on the forums claiming he didn't do anything wrong in the first place calls these revelatory media reports 'stupid media hit pieces'. That rather strongly suggests that reading them wasn't quite the humbling experience he claimed. .
I see, you didn't read it. He said "stupid media hit pieces" not "stupid media peices". He is clearly referring to his presentation not the media reports (how would the reports be "media hit"?). But never mind the fact your evidence actually shows he thought he was stupid will be ignored and your misread version taken as gospel.
Wut? Incomprehensible babble. Try again in rational. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
140
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:12:00 -
[2220] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:Amity Lane wrote:He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer? Actually yes you are, you thinking that's an acceptable logic really makes me worried about your moral principles, this is what worries me in mankind, your logic... We are literally in the movie Minority Report. Let's arrest and imprision anyone who makes a suggestive comment, ever.
Not at all, to be a murderer the event must have happened already. The 'Minority Report' dealt with preventing murder/crimes before they happened, so you would be a potential murderer. What he was answering clearly states murderer. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1527
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:13:00 -
[2221] - Quote
Tamir Lenk wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:[quote=Kallynda Nai]
Likes on a forun suggest that somebody likes what they've read.
And sure, its exploitable and many of the goons have done just that with script-hacks and such - but generally you can see when a quality poster is attracting likes for a post it means they are putting a reasonable argument across.
Tell me more about these "script hacks." That is a pretty strong accusation. Are you sure that goons have violated the ToS, the DMCA and other statutes to use some technical measure to inflate the "likes" for their posts? Or do you blithely libel people out of habit? Perhaps you have been drinking.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51698
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:13:00 -
[2222] - Quote
Nacion Allier wrote:What is just as important in this case is what CCP intend to do.
Actually this is the only thing that is important. Yours, mine or anyone elses opinion on what should happen to him is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is the rules he has agreed to and if he has in anyway broken them. If he has then he gets the appropriate sanction which may not be banning him, if he hasn't then he gets no sanction what so ever.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:13:00 -
[2223] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Joe Skellington wrote:This has all descended into "Melodrama", maybe it's time to move on and let the healing process begin? Just saying. When you want to heal from being stabbed in the back, the first step is to remove the knife. Once Alex has resigned from the CSM and left Eve in disgrace we can begin to heal.
No, the first step is to go see a doctor. Removing the knife yourself will make the bleeding worse and might do more long term damage. |
Shere
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:14:00 -
[2224] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: On that point we'll have to agree to disagree. I as a player of eve online have expressed my view that Alexander Gianturco is no longer an appropriate chair of the player council in Eve online. Its my right and priviledge as a paying customer of Eve to express this opinion as its your right to disagree. You may accuse me of whatever you please, it doesn't change what happened.
Hi, you already expressed this by not voting for him. You don't get to double-express it, that's not how democracy works. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:14:00 -
[2225] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:What's a dumpass?
An ass that takes the action that an arse is meant to do in the vernacular and that is take a dump? Though I am only guessing here. |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:15:00 -
[2226] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Joe Skellington wrote:This has all descended into "Melodrama", maybe it's time to move on and let the healing process begin? Just saying. When you want to heal from being stabbed in the back, the first step is to remove the knife. Once Alex has resigned from the CSM and left Eve in disgrace we can begin to heal. No, the first step is to go see a doctor. Removing the knife yourself will make the bleeding worse and might do more long term damage.
Kinda late for that. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:16:00 -
[2227] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:Amity Lane wrote:He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer? Actually yes you are, you thinking that's an acceptable logic really makes me worried about your moral principles, this is what worries me in mankind, your logic... We are literally in the movie Minority Report. Let's arrest and imprision anyone who makes a suggestive comment, ever.
You're subverting, hence I'll just ignore any further subverting and actually reply to value added to the discussion (something many of you really lack at) and end with the following.
You grab a bunch of mindless chickens, give them the weapons, tell them who touched your weenie, then turn around and walk away like nothing happened, keep trying to subvert the logic to your favour, in the end, I'm really appalled to some of the moral principles of many people post here, and the criteria duality they clearly show off.
I would start making analogies to terrorism but that would be just fueling your trolling.
I just hope the people in my country do keep the moral levels they have right now, at least I'm confident that my sons will have a better future. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:17:00 -
[2228] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:Amity Lane wrote:He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer? Actually yes you are, you thinking that's an acceptable logic really makes me worried about your moral principles, this is what worries me in mankind, your logic... We are literally in the movie Minority Report. Let's arrest and imprision anyone who makes a suggestive comment, ever. Not at all, to be a murderer the event must have happened already. The 'Minority Report' dealt with preventing murder/crimes before they happened, so you would be a potential murderer. What he was answering clearly states murderer. So he just gets charged with attempted murder. I'm sure he would feel better while rotting in a prison knowing that he was incompetent as well. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
232
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:18:00 -
[2229] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:He made his apology to the guy that would have been impacted by his remarks and (shockingly) that guy doesn't really care enough about the whole thing one way or another. I'd suggest you refresh your sense of entitlement.
I'd suggest you read his apology in which he refers to his victim in all cases in the third person. He apologized privately to his victim. But the post at the beginning of his thread is directed at the Eve community, and is ABOUT his victim far more than TO his victim. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
blackpatch
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:20:00 -
[2230] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom.
since mittens got 10000 votes and the next guy got 4000 votes and goons own everything irl, you should probably either change your sig or apologize for betraying your core in game space beliefs, hth |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1529
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:20:00 -
[2231] - Quote
Shere wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: On that point we'll have to agree to disagree. I as a player of eve online have expressed my view that Alexander Gianturco is no longer an appropriate chair of the player council in Eve online. Its my right and priviledge as a paying customer of Eve to express this opinion as its your right to disagree. You may accuse me of whatever you please, it doesn't change what happened.
Hi, you already expressed this by not voting for him. You don't get to double-express it, that's not how democracy works. We could have a do over of the vote right now, post-fabricated-scandal, and he would still win the chair.
I'm not sure how things work in your country old chap but in the United Kingdom we have the ability to protest and call for the resignation of a politician who has dishonoured his position.
Were we to have a re-run of the CSM elections right now I am not convinced Alexander Gianturco would even be eligable to stand. You and I have no idea whether or not he has already (or will be) infracted for his behaviour at fanfest or would be allowed to run again given the misuse of position and trust displayed last weekend.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
232
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:23:00 -
[2232] - Quote
Does anyone have a link to the podcast in which Alex brags about The Mittani being a relatively accurate reflection of who he is in real life? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:25:00 -
[2233] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Does anyone have a link to the podcast in which Alex brags about The Mittani being a relatively accurate reflection of who he is in real life?
Nope sorry. As soon as this apology was made public his secret servicemen set about destroying every known copy of it. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1529
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:25:00 -
[2234] - Quote
blackpatch wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom.
since mittens got 10000 votes and the next guy got 4000 votes and goons own everything irl, you should probably either change your sig or apologize for betraying your core in game space beliefs, hth
Though one might ask where Alexander Gianturco's power truly lays. Surely its in the gaming media since that was the weapon he used last year against CCP during monoclegate and has used consistantly for his alliance benefit and general propaganda throughout his reign. Does he still have that power or is it power turned against him now? Will the media darlings of the gaming constellation be as likely to seek the opinion of a drunken fratboy cyber-bully as they were the mysterious spymaster of new eden?
Who knows.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:26:00 -
[2235] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Does anyone have a link to the podcast in which Alex brags about The Mittani being a relatively accurate reflection of who he is in real life?
Does anybody have the link where someone asked Princess Bride what she thought?
No? Nobody? There's gotta be one....oh... there's not? Not in 100 pages you say? Well hell. If I didn't know any better, I'd say that nobody gives a **** then. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
215
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:27:00 -
[2236] - Quote
Yeep wrote:K0enig wrote:this really looks like a 100% clean factor. http://i.imgur.com/w6WrT.pngspecially after seeing that 1 .. guess posting stuff only works from one side when your a goonie. I'd like to say something along the line of "Dates are hard" here, by which I'd be implying that you are inable to figure out that those tweets were from last year when some guy got really really upset that sometimes adults get drunk and swear but that might be classed as cyber bullying so I won't.
Was a little confused as to how the guy completely missed the dates listed. |
blackpatch
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:27:00 -
[2237] - Quote
i want you to help me reconcile your phrase 'might makes right' with your phrase 'cyber-bullying'. who is the real jade constantine? |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
177
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:28:00 -
[2238] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:He made his apology to the guy that would have been impacted by his remarks and (shockingly) that guy doesn't really care enough about the whole thing one way or another. I'd suggest you refresh your sense of entitlement. I'd suggest you read his apology in which he refers to his victim in all cases in the third person. He apologized privately to his victim. But the post at the beginning of his thread is directed at the Eve community, and is ABOUT his victim far more than TO his victim.
This doesn't change anything. He still owes you nothing. If this thread were never made, that fact would not change. You're putting the so-called "victim" on a stand and claiming to champion the wrongs perpetrated against them when they, in fact, simply don't give a ****. You keep skipping over that part, but you've been pretty good at that so far. Just be honest about it. You have an axe to grind with Mittens and then Goons by extension, so now you need to latch onto anything you can find to drag a real person through the ground as much as you possibly can in an effort to feel avenged for your space pixels or ehonor or whatever the hell it is that motivates your ire against people on the Internet. Nevermind that it is this exact witchhunt that is dragging EVE more and more into the negative limelight in the press. |
Kairos Antilles
United Systems Nautical Service
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:28:00 -
[2239] - Quote
Three words:
In vino veritas.
No further discussion required.
On a side note: this thread has lost TWO pages since I've started reading. Curious............... |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
232
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:29:00 -
[2240] - Quote
L00B wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Does anyone have a link to the podcast in which Alex brags about The Mittani being a relatively accurate reflection of who he is in real life? Does anybody have the link where someone asked Princess Bride what she thought? No? Nobody? There's gotta be one....oh... there's not? Not in 100 pages you say? Well hell. If I didn't know any better, I'd say that nobody gives a **** then.
As always, I prefer to quote from the source. I'm looking for Alex's position on this, in his own words. But in goonland, this constitutes imposing my own unwelcome opinion. Laughable. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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Mogadishu Yacht-Club
Internet Space Ship Game
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:30:00 -
[2241] - Quote
Since none of you seem to be killing yourselves, I guess it's time to continue work on my Cancer Gun. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:32:00 -
[2242] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:blackpatch wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom.
since mittens got 10000 votes and the next guy got 4000 votes and goons own everything irl, you should probably either change your sig or apologize for betraying your core in game space beliefs, hth Though one might ask where Alexander Gianturco's power truly lays. Surely its in the gaming media since that was the weapon he used last year against CCP during monoclegate and has used consistantly for his alliance benefit and general propaganda throughout his reign. Does he still have that power or is it power turned against him now? Will the media darlings of the gaming constellation be as likely to seek the opinion of a drunken fratboy cyber-bully as they were the mysterious spymaster of new eden? Who knows.
Jade, no matter how much you slaughter the language you pretend to speak, no matter how many words you churn out, it doesn't make what you say true. If you could even marginally maintain the illusion of objectivity, which is a word I don't even think you can define, much less comprehend, you'd realize that every time you post like the mob, you're no different than the mob. So keep on hating those goonies! You're really so different from them! |
Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:32:00 -
[2243] - Quote
Having watched the video, and replayed that section several times.....
The Mittani plays the in-game role quite well, and has done a decent job as Chair of CSM6, none of which 'equal out' what was said, what that statement represents, or the gravity of the statement from the newly-elected Chair of CSM7 in a public event.
Best wishes in R/L Mittani; its time..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4FUQFqqzI8 |
Prince Kobol
373
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:32:00 -
[2244] - Quote
Kairos Antilles wrote:Three words:
In vino veritas.
No further discussion required.
On a side note: this thread has lost TWO pages since I've started reading. Curious...............
Haven't noticed to be honest but might be a lot of posts being stealth removed.. i.e those where they just simply say kill yourself. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1531
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:33:00 -
[2245] - Quote
blackpatch wrote:i want you to help me reconcile your phrase 'might makes right' with your phrase 'cyber-bullying'. who is the real jade constantine?
Its quite simple Jade Constantine is my eve character who is a space anarchist ship captain and revolutionary and often kills imperialists.
At fanfest on the other hand i'm the rather charming Andrew Cruse instead who is nice to everyone, goes out to resturants and bars and enjoys the company of other eve players without calling on people to be unironically trolled to death.
If you continue to be confused (or indeed fascinated) by my character's ingame ideology and roleplayed beliefs in this science fiction universe I'd advise you to look up a book called Cassini Division by Ken Mcloud - its rather good.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Prince Kobol
373
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:34:00 -
[2246] - Quote
L00B wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:blackpatch wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom.
since mittens got 10000 votes and the next guy got 4000 votes and goons own everything irl, you should probably either change your sig or apologize for betraying your core in game space beliefs, hth Though one might ask where Alexander Gianturco's power truly lays. Surely its in the gaming media since that was the weapon he used last year against CCP during monoclegate and has used consistantly for his alliance benefit and general propaganda throughout his reign. Does he still have that power or is it power turned against him now? Will the media darlings of the gaming constellation be as likely to seek the opinion of a drunken fratboy cyber-bully as they were the mysterious spymaster of new eden? Who knows. Jade, no matter how much you slaughter the language you pretend to speak, no matter how many words you churn out, it doesn't make what you say true. If you could even marginally maintain the illusion of objectivity, which is a word I don't even think you can define, much less comprehend, you'd realize that every time you post like the mob, you're no different than the mob. So keep on hating those goonies! You're really so different from them!
Same could be said for all the goons posting.. just saying is all
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L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:34:00 -
[2247] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:L00B wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Does anyone have a link to the podcast in which Alex brags about The Mittani being a relatively accurate reflection of who he is in real life? Does anybody have the link where someone asked Princess Bride what she thought? No? Nobody? There's gotta be one....oh... there's not? Not in 100 pages you say? Well hell. If I didn't know any better, I'd say that nobody gives a **** then. As always, I prefer to quote from the source. I'm looking for Alex's position on this, in his own words. But in goonland, this constitutes imposing my own unwelcome opinion. Laughable.
What is laughable is that you use the mans first name like you two are friendly and have chatted in person. One of these two people has the courage to be the person they are, the other has the temerity to act familiar when they hide behind a movie title. You're a T SHIRT... not a movement, not someone to follow, not an idea. Every time the subject of this person comes up, you can be found, stirring your little pot of ****, pretending like someone gives a damn. No one does. If they did, they'd post telling you about it. |
Rhael Stormfury
Blackrock Ammunition and Heavy Industies
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:34:00 -
[2248] - Quote
Voluntarily resign your post.
You're actions are embarassing...
You're no representitive of mine. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
127
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:34:00 -
[2249] - Quote
JamesCLK wrote:Krutoj wrote:This topic is going sideways, to be chairman or not to be, to be CSM or GSF leader, to be part of the Sandbox or to be morally constrained by the real world. This is a lot of bullshit and knowing Alex for the past year, him being able to separate his role as CSM chairman and his role of the evil Goonswarm empire CEO, and doing a damn good job at it, while representing the views of those that are cursing him right now in this thread. Well aint this just so polliticly correct thing to do eh?
In other news, am stuck waiting for my next flight in Sydney, this thread does provide some mild entertainment, but I must reflect on the things CSM6 must do in the view of the CCP's keynotes at the Fanfest. I think Alex (Mittani) will do the same if you stop this silliness. This should literally be quoted on every single goddamn page of this thread. I've said it before; there is no facepalm big enough for this entire shitstorm. Time to requote this. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
232
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:37:00 -
[2250] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote: This doesn't change anything. He still owes you nothing. If this thread were never made, that fact would not change. You're putting the so-called "victim" on a stand and claiming to champion the wrongs perpetrated against them when they, in fact, simply don't give a ****. You keep skipping over that part, but you've been pretty good at that so far.
The answer to that ridiculous argument has been posted many times by many people. Do I really need to go over it one more?
Quote:Just be honest about it. You have an axe to grind with Mittens and then Goons by extension, so now you need to latch onto anything you can find to drag a real person through the ground as much as you possibly can in an effort to feel avenged for your space pixels or ehonor or whatever the hell it is that motivates your ire against people on the Internet. Nevermind that it is this exact witchhunt that is dragging EVE more and more into the negative limelight in the press.
The only thing I did is predict this would happen in his own campaign thread weeks ago.
Princess Bride wrote:Regardless of how effective you say you were as a CSM last year, I feel its only a matter of time before you fall back on who you are as a person and politician. When this happens I think itGÇÖs safe to say that youGÇÖll have no problem with screwing everyone over if you canGǪ Eve, CCP, the players, and those who voted for you. I mean thatGÇÖs what mud-slinging sadists do, right? IGÇÖm sure itGÇÖll be lol-tastic too.
I imagined he would be revealing his true nature intentionally instead of while being a drunken buffoon. Either way, his true nature has been revealed. I didn't do this to him. This was only a matter of when, where and how he would fail to cover up who he really is. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:37:00 -
[2251] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:
Same could be said for all the goons posting.. just saying is all
So since we're in a world of black and white and no grey, sure, I totally agree with you. I mean, it's not like we ever have any internal discord, and it's not like there is a mass herd of people with nothing original to say, no way to say it, who are willing to paint us all with the same brush.
Keep painting... your statements make it clear you're no different from that herd. Incapable of independent thought or true critical thinking.
In short, I don't give a **** what you're "Just saying". Maybe you should actually say something of your own, rather than repeating things like a parrot. |
blackpatch
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
1
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Jade Constantine wrote:blackpatch wrote:i want you to help me reconcile your phrase 'might makes right' with your phrase 'cyber-bullying'. who is the real jade constantine? Its quite simple Jade Constantine is my eve character who is a space anarchist ship captain and revolutionary and often kills imperialists. At fanfest on the other hand i'm the rather charming Andrew Cruse instead who is nice to everyone, goes out to resturants and bars and enjoys the company of other eve players without calling on people to be unironically trolled to death in slurred fanfest panel proclamations. If you continue to be confused (or indeed fascinated) by my character's ingame ideology and roleplayed beliefs in this science fiction universe I'd advise you to look up a book called Cassini Division by Ken Mcloud - its rather good.
yes, sounds perfectly like a small bully with dreams of being big :)
thanks for clarifying |
zzzczyzoznzoz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:39:00 -
[2253] - Quote
to little to late be a man and step down as head of csm show your truly sorry for what you said
(you will prob win it next year anyway when you get you slaves to vote for you and scm all the newbs into voteing for you ) |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:40:00 -
[2254] - Quote
Rhael Stormfury wrote:Voluntarily resign your post.
You're actions are embarassing...
You're no representitive of mine.
I take it he's not getting your vote next time? |
stoicfaux
845
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:41:00 -
[2255] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Kairos Antilles wrote:Three words:
In vino veritas.
No further discussion required.
On a side note: this thread has lost TWO pages since I've started reading. Curious............... Haven't noticed to be honest but might be a lot of posts being stealth removed.. i.e those where they just simply say kill yourself. Nah, that's too tame of an explanation. A better one is: the Goons have finally gotten organized and have created a realistic and practical public relations plan. They're reporting any of their own posts that make them look stupidunfavorable in order to present a specific image to the public as prep work for the PR campaign.
(There are thousands of Goons, at least one of them should do public relations in the real world, no?)
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1533
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:42:00 -
[2256] - Quote
L00B wrote: So since we're in a world of black and white and no grey, sure, I totally agree with you. I mean, it's not like we ever have any internal discord, and it's not like there is a mass herd of people with nothing original to say, no way to say it, who are willing to paint us all with the same brush.
So where are the goons prepared to stand up and say that what Alexander Gianturco did on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable and he should step down as chair then exactly?
Because the strong impression I'm getting (as I'm sure the rest of the gaming community looking on is getting) is that the goons are quite unrepentant about all this and feel that Alexander shouldn't even have apologised let alone considered resigning over this.
Quote:In short, I don't give a **** what you're "Just saying". Maybe you should actually say something of your own, rather than repeating things like a parrot.
And thats obviously the way the goon collective looks to the outside. I mean the irony is that when responding to many goons as I've done in this thread for example - I might as well just be talking to one person for all the differentiation of opinion and perspective I've experienced in return. Its a bit spooky in some ways but it is like talking to a religious cult.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:42:00 -
[2257] - Quote
L00B wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Same could be said for all the goons posting.. just saying is all
So since we're in a world of black and white and no grey, sure, I totally agree with you. I mean, it's not like we ever have any internal discord, and it's not like there is a mass herd of people with nothing original to say, no way to say it, who are willing to paint us all with the same brush. Keep painting... your statements make it clear you're no different from that herd. Incapable of independent thought or true critical thinking.In short, I don't give a **** what you're "Just saying". Maybe you should actually say something of your own, rather than repeating things like a parrot.
The very definition of a drone....You joined the Bee's why?
The Queen bee has erred. CCD will spread thru the colony unless you Drones unite, and kill your own Queen....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:43:00 -
[2258] - Quote
de4deye wrote: Anyways, as almost everyone posting on here, who isn't a goon or an npc goon alt has so strongly stressed and agreed upon, Mittens must resign from CSM and CEO.
Anyone who disagrees with you must be a goon alt because... |
Prince Kobol
374
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:43:00 -
[2259] - Quote
L00B wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Same could be said for all the goons posting.. just saying is all
So since we're in a world of black and white and no grey, sure, I totally agree with you. I mean, it's not like we ever have any internal discord, and it's not like there is a mass herd of people with nothing original to say, no way to say it, who are willing to paint us all with the same brush. Keep painting... your statements make it clear you're no different from that herd. Incapable of independent thought or true critical thinking. In short, I don't give a **** what you're "Just saying". Maybe you should actually say something of your own, rather than repeating things like a parrot.
hehe.. thats the goons we all know.
In the words of your beloved Leader
WE LOVE YOU
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Vangelios
Hedion University Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:46:00 -
[2260] - Quote
Liar, lawyer; mirror for ya', what's the difference? ...-áEach small candle Lights a corner of the dark... |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:47:00 -
[2261] - Quote
Rhael Stormfury wrote:Voluntarily resign your post.
You're actions are embarassing...
You're no representitive of mine.
Your* |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1535
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:47:00 -
[2262] - Quote
blackpatch wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:blackpatch wrote:i want you to help me reconcile your phrase 'might makes right' with your phrase 'cyber-bullying'. who is the real jade constantine? Its quite simple Jade Constantine is my eve character who is a space anarchist ship captain and revolutionary and often kills imperialists. At fanfest on the other hand i'm the rather charming Andrew Cruse instead who is nice to everyone, goes out to resturants and bars and enjoys the company of other eve players without calling on people to be unironically trolled to death in slurred fanfest panel proclamations. If you continue to be confused (or indeed fascinated) by my character's ingame ideology and roleplayed beliefs in this science fiction universe I'd advise you to look up a book called Cassini Division by Ken Mcloud - its rather good. yes, sounds perfectly like a small bully with dreams of being big :) thanks for clarifying
Well passing over your lack of comprehension in the interests that rather weak troll. Perhaps you can tell me now in your own words what is the difference between the character of the Sadistic space emperor "Mittani" and Alexander Gianturco the CSM chairman?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:48:00 -
[2263] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: So where are the goons prepared to stand up and say that what Alexander Gianturco did on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable and he should step down as chair then exactly?
Hi, I'm Yeep, I'm about as OG GoonFleet as it gets. I think what happened on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable. I think he's right to feel terrible and I've known him long enough to accept that his apology is in good faith. However a spur of the moment resignation, no matter how popular it might be in the real world right now, does nothing but appease the uneducated masses.
Edit: For a bit of backstory I feel The Mittani crossed the line a number of times in the past when he was chief spymaster. I even opposed his promotion to the position on the grounds that his only qualification was nepotism. However he has the long term vision to continue to make Eve a better place for everyone (even whiny titan pilots) and the game will be objectively worse off if he resigns over this. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1394
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:51:00 -
[2264] - Quote
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Kairos Antilles
United Systems Nautical Service
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:52:00 -
[2265] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.
Watching with anticipation... |
DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:53:00 -
[2266] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.
A few days? how can it take a few days, its not like you have to investigate if it happen or not. |
Prince Kobol
375
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:53:00 -
[2267] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.
I actually feel sorry for you guys because I have a sinking feeling that no matter what you decide you are going to be on the end of a **** storm
Good Luck |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
67
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:53:00 -
[2268] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. I'm glad someone has finally decided to take some sort of action against this. Please do hurry. |
Prince Kobol
375
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:54:00 -
[2269] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. A few days? how can it take a few days, its not like you have to investigate if it happen or not.
These guys do have real lives to lead, families to look after, jobs to go to etc.
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L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:54:00 -
[2270] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
So where are the goons prepared to stand up and say that what Alexander Gianturco did on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable and he should step down as chair then exactly?
Because the strong impression I'm getting (as I'm sure the rest of the gaming community looking on is getting) is that the goons are quite unrepentant about all this and feel that Alexander shouldn't even have apologised let alone considered resigning over this.
As I've said elsewhere in this thread, a lot of you detractors seem to think this is the sort of game that isn't about being someone other than yourself (smirk #1), that honesty and good will are somehow things that are valued in Eve (smirk #2), and that CCP has somehow portrayed itself as a company that will give all your stuff back via petition if some bad man took it from you (smirk #3). Couple those things with this internet rage machine you seem to be caught in being WAY more mad about this event than the actual person aggrieved, is just pathetic, transparent, and an obvious ploy for nothing but attention cloaked as politics.
So the long and short of it is that it doesn't matter what the impression you're getting is, because you aren't objective about this at all. You hated goons long before you walked into this thread, and you'd also likely bend over backwards to get ten thousand people to click your little ego button regardless of the cost.
Those two things together is what makes your statements entirely irrelevant. You aren't offended, you aren't even pretending that you are. What you ARE pretending is that you somehow speak for those less eloquent than yourself. The problem is that you aren't eloquent at all.
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:55:00 -
[2271] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.
Honestly, on this particular incident who gives a **** what the CSM thinks? This is about CCP policy and we are waiting on "their" ruling. Mitty already siad he was quitting your number. So, **** off and let the big boys do their thing like a good little media whoring puppy... |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
223
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:56:00 -
[2272] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. A few days? how can it take a few days, its not like you have to investigate if it happen or not.
They are watching how long this storm will last. If it relaxing with time they will sweep it all under the rug.
But, I am waiting for CCPs last word because CSM don't have any power over this matter. (CSM will vote against CSM - not likely) |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:57:00 -
[2273] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:DelightSucker wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. A few days? how can it take a few days, its not like you have to investigate if it happen or not. They are watching how long this storm will last. If it relaxing with time they will sweep it all under the rug.
Just like the supposed victim did, the traitor |
JTK Fotheringham
Resurrected Darkness
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:57:00 -
[2274] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.
CCP seems to be paying attention too... looks like posts are being moderated and / or pulled completely. Some of mine have been, but I think they might have been ones where I said Mittens behaved like a drunken idiot...
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stoicfaux
845
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:58:00 -
[2275] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. Any word on how CCP's internal investigation is going? (Assuming that the CSM and CCP aren't acting in concert on this.)
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Pop Bear
Guerrilla Cartel Lawful Insanity
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:58:00 -
[2276] - Quote
All political life ends in failure.
He crossed the line IMO,
So Good luck, and Good Riddance!!! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1368
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:58:00 -
[2277] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. I actually feel sorry for you guys because I have a sinking feeling that no matter what you decide you are going to be on the end of a **** storm Good Luck No kidding...
Frankly the vast majority of people here are just being assinine about this. There is a lot I want to say about the matter but I think at this point I am just going to keep my mouth shut about it all. No sense in making it worse than it is. CCP will do what needs to be done. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
407
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Posted - 2012.03.27 17:58:00 -
[2278] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.
OFFICIAL: if CCP doesn't do something today they are a terrible company.
And its after business hours across the pond already.
Wasn't the first speech given at fanfest "We ****** up, we are sorry, we won't do it again?"
They already did it again. Their lack of action has cause irrevocable damage in the PR department once again.
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Kill Rockstar
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:00:00 -
[2279] - Quote
It's too late to apologize..... |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:00:00 -
[2280] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote: This doesn't change anything. He still owes you nothing. If this thread were never made, that fact would not change. You're putting the so-called "victim" on a stand and claiming to champion the wrongs perpetrated against them when they, in fact, simply don't give a ****. You keep skipping over that part, but you've been pretty good at that so far.
The answer to that ridiculous argument has been posted many times by many people. Do I really need to go over it one more? Quote:Just be honest about it. You have an axe to grind with Mittens and then Goons by extension, so now you need to latch onto anything you can find to drag a real person through the ground as much as you possibly can in an effort to feel avenged for your space pixels or ehonor or whatever the hell it is that motivates your ire against people on the Internet. Nevermind that it is this exact witchhunt that is dragging EVE more and more into the negative limelight in the press. The only thing I did is predict this would happen in his own campaign thread weeks ago. Princess Bride wrote:Regardless of how effective you say you were as a CSM last year, I feel its only a matter of time before you fall back on who you are as a person and politician. When this happens I think itGÇÖs safe to say that youGÇÖll have no problem with screwing everyone over if you canGǪ Eve, CCP, the players, and those who voted for you. I mean thatGÇÖs what mud-slinging sadists do, right? IGÇÖm sure itGÇÖll be lol-tastic too. I imagined he would be revealing his true nature intentionally instead of while being a drunken buffoon. Either way, his true nature has been revealed. I didn't do this to him. This was only a matter of when, where and how he would fail to cover up who he really is.
You're not very good at dodging questions. I'll take your inability to respond to the point as your concession that you have no response. Face it, you and your alts have your hands stuck in the cookie jar and there's no getting out of it. You are the one's making mountains of molehills for your own agendas and you know it. Also, quoting yourself was a pretty stupid move as it makes your motivations very clear as to why you're so attached to the issue of getting more and more punishments heaped on an issue you are in no way directly connected to. I'd suggest you stop trying to dig out of the hole you're in.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1540
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:00:00 -
[2281] - Quote
L00B wrote:As I've said elsewhere in this thread, a lot of you detractors seem to think this is the sort of game that isn't about being someone other than yourself (smirk #1),
Isn't that exactly what your leader claims in the apology post at the beginning for this thread? This whole issue arose because Alexander Gianturco slipped into the Mittani character while drunk at fanfest and abused the priviledge and media coverage he was given.
L00B wrote:that honesty and good will are somehow things that are valued in Eve (smirk #2),[quote=L00B]
I don't believe anyone is expecting that INGAME ... OUT OF GAME on the other hand, yes, plenty of players do expect that.
[quote=L00B]... and that CCP has somehow portrayed itself as a company that will give all your stuff back via petition if some bad man took it from you (smirk #3).
Not sure where you are getting that from.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
234
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:01:00 -
[2282] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.
For any CSM member with a spine the only question should be who is leaving the CSM. You, or Alex. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:11:00 -
[2283] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Doddy wrote:As to the matter at hand far more damage has been done by people like you playing the matter to your own ends than the mittanis screw up. I am sure [redacted] just loves being the poster boy of jade online. I am sure being used to put another nail in the coffin of this game will help him get over his issues. Your post is all about Jade, anyone can see that, and screw anyone else. I will tell you plainly I think the behaviour of Alexander Gianturco in his role as Chair of CSM6 is far more important by way of example and media impact than the situation of the mining barge guy (whom we're assured is quite okay). This turned out okay from a player health and rl angle so good. But the matter remains that the current chair of the CSM saw fit to get steaming drunk and invite people to troll some guy to death in the view of the cameras and gaming media and that is not okay. Doddy wrote:Who are you to pass comments on Mittanis state of mind or what his wife should do? Accusing him of being delusional et all. Well his wife said as much on SA. Talking of his episodes of "blind drunkenness" and fights where he couldn't remember what he'd done or said to anyone. One might say if this kind of stuff shouldn't be discussed on an internet forum why did she post it on an internet forum in the first place? Isn't it a bit ironic to hear a goon complaining about having one's personal laundrey aired out to dry in a scandal that arose from (well) hanging somebody else's emotional laundrey out to dry. See, I wouldn't really be as interested in all this were you and a thousand other goons trying your level best to pass this stuff off as acceptable behaviour for a player of eve online in the environment of fanfest. Thats what rubs me up the wrong way really because its excusing this grevious breach of trust on Alexander's behalf and going some way to invalidate his apology. The goons are making it look like a false statement because they are effectively trying to justify this kind of thing in the fanfest environment. Quote:You are just as bad as him but don't have the excuse of being drunk and making a flippant comment. You calculate. You use people. You probably drafted that post before posting it.
On that point we'll have to agree to disagree. I as a player of eve online have expressed my view that Alexander Gianturco is no longer an appropriate chair of the player council in Eve online. Its my right and priviledge as a paying customer of Eve to express this opinion as its your right to disagree. You may accuse me of whatever you please, it doesn't change what happened.
I am not a goon, never have been, never will be. I don't condone what mittani did, i even think he should resign as CSM chairman. But then you are very good at making assumptions. My posting in this thread has simply been to point out the misrepresentation of jabber logs and call out your assertion that the like system has any meaning.
Nowhere in your essay were you even remotely expressing a simple opinion. If you had done so i would have no issue whatsoever, as you can see i broadly agree. It is the enormous amount of spin, self promotion and grandstanding that sets peoples teeth on edge, along with the ridiculous premise that because you have likes you have the right to speak for others. you could simply have posted;
Quote:I believe that what the Mittani did was wrong and in my opinion he can no longer chair the CSM. Hope he gets a handle on his drinking. My thoughts are with those effected by his actions
I might even have given you a cherished like for that. But thats no use to you is it Jade. No angle.
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:11:00 -
[2284] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?
Look at this Jade, do you see this? This is a good post from a sitting CSM member whose alliance is not friendly with ours, but can make a decision without letting previous history and poor culture assessments as well as a distinct inability to separate Mittens the Goon from Alex the person get in the way of said decision. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:12:00 -
[2285] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So you've been non-stop spinning and lying and changing your position while threatening people and mocking them and then someone suggest your new super moral stance is a stupid lie?
I think you've watched a few too many of our propaganda videos, and now actually believe that drivel. We're not some collective, we actually are several thousand different people.
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:13:00 -
[2286] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? That would depend, did they do it in front of thousand of people, hundreds who were present and then thousand more in front of a live tv feed at an official CCP Event. Did it then get the attention of numerous gaming internet sites (hopefully it goes no further) ? Also didn't HB get banned for saying that a CCP Dev should die in a fire didn't he?
HB??? |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:13:00 -
[2287] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?
Oh yes, we must be so careful and parse every last possible nuance, in Mittani's favor of course.
Cause Mittani, the loudmouth punk who says "post on your main so I can grief you or shut up" deserves, indeed, has earned, such nuance.
Loudmouth punk has set Eve on a bad course cause he is a loudmouth punk. He also is a bully and a thug and I would hardly be surprised if someone had committed suicide cause of one of his other stunts.
Of course, IN THAT CASE, we would be required to parse the nuances in a different way to find out that he is once again innocent little thug.
And thank you for cowardly supporting him with weasel words. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1050
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:14:00 -
[2288] - Quote
Interesting to see how the little bees and pets have transitioned from the '**** you pubbie' posts to the 'stop picking on our sincere leader' QQ ****.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:15:00 -
[2289] - Quote
Andrea Roche wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? That would depend, did they do it in front of thousand of people, hundreds who were present and then thousand more in front of a live tv feed at an official CCP Event. Did it then get the attention of numerous gaming internet sites (hopefully it goes no further) ? Also didn't HB get banned for saying that a CCP Dev should die in a fire didn't he? HB??? I'm confused too since the B an E keys aren't even near each other.
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Berserkeren
x13 Raiden.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:15:00 -
[2290] - Quote
Apologies not accepted. And yes i do really mean that, what a childish behavior. I dont think you should resign as chairman, But i do honestly think that you should be banned allover by CCP! |
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
136
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:15:00 -
[2291] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? Look at this Jade, do you see this? This is a good post from a sitting CSM member whose alliance is not friendly with ours, but can make a decision without letting previous history and poor culture assessments as well as a distinct inability to separate Mittens the Goon from Alex the person get in the way of said decision.
Um, the person who sujjested that Soundwave would Die in a fire DID get banned.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1298
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:22:00 -
[2292] - Quote
This drama cannot be complete without a few unruly protests...
To the space statues! |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:22:00 -
[2293] - Quote
Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
Besides (as I keep reminding everyone) he hasn't actually broken any rules. There's no reason to ban him from a EULA/TOS perspective, no matter how acceptable his behaviour may or may not have been. |
Alaxen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:23:00 -
[2294] - Quote
Mittens, your apology might have been believable if you hadn't also been consistently saying the same outside of the Alliance Forum. At the Null Sec round table you got a laugh out of the crowd for talking about "Murdering" newcomers to the game.
Given that you're apologizing here and banning people who disagree with you over on Kugu.com, I'm going to go with 'obvious troll'. |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:25:00 -
[2295] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?
Get out of here with your rational thoughts. This is a thread for hyperbole, witch hunting, acting like a child, stamping of feet and general asshattery. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1544
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:25:00 -
[2296] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna? Look at this Jade, do you see this? This is a good post from a sitting CSM member whose alliance is not friendly with ours, but can make a decision without letting previous history and poor culture assessments as well as a distinct inability to separate Mittens the Goon from Alex the person get in the way of said decision. Um, the person who sujjested that Soundwave would Die in a fire DID get banned.
And though HB did eventually get unbanned I think its highly unlikely that person's application to stand for CSM would be accepted (you need a history clean of serious warnings).
And this is the whole point really. CSM representatives are SUPPOSED to be held to a higher standard than the rest of the players since they are representing the players in front of CCP and the gaming media. Once you start excusing behaviour that gets ordinary players banned just because the perpetrator is an important internet politician then the whole system is thrown open to question and corruption again and we're back to the bad old days of T20.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:25:00 -
[2297] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.
The body currently headed by The Mittani is discussing recent events involving the behaviour of The Mittani? Cool. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
238
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:26:00 -
[2298] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote: You're not very good at dodging questions. I'll take your inability to respond to the point as your concession that you have no response. Face it, you and your alts have your hands stuck in the cookie jar and there's no getting out of it. You are the one's making mountains of molehills for your own agendas and you know it. Also, quoting yourself was a pretty stupid move as it makes your motivations very clear as to why you're so attached to the issue of getting more and more punishments heaped on an issue you are in no way directly connected to. I'd suggest you stop trying to dig out of the hole you're in.
How tpb "The Wis" feels about what happened is not the primary issue. It never was. The issue is that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable. If you need an explanation as to why, read Alex's apology where he explains it clearly. Do you agree with Alex on this point, or not? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:27:00 -
[2299] - Quote
Alaxen wrote:Mittens, your apology might have been believable if you hadn't also been consistently saying the same outside of the Alliance Forum. At the Null Sec round table you got a laugh out of the crowd for talking about "Murdering" newcomers to the game. Given that you're apologizing here and banning people who disagree with you over on Kugu.com, I'm going to go with 'obvious troll'.
Are you this ******* stupid? Really? |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:28:00 -
[2300] - Quote
Alaxen wrote:Mittens, your apology might have been believable if you hadn't also been consistently saying the same outside of the Alliance Forum. At the Null Sec round table you got a laugh out of the crowd for talking about "Murdering" newcomers to the game. Given that you're apologizing here and banning people who disagree with you over on Kugu.com, I'm going to go with 'obvious troll'.
OK EVERYONE! LISTEN UP!
The words, Kill, Murder, Death, Suicide or any other form of any word that entails ending a human life are no longer acceptable in-game or out. If you mention them you will be banned from eve!!
From now on, Suicide Ganks will now be called "No Chance of Returning Home Gank." |
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Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
119
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:29:00 -
[2301] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
Besides (as I keep reminding everyone) he hasn't actually broken any rules. There's no reason to ban him from a EULA/TOS perspective, no matter how acceptable his behaviour may or may not have been.
That is exactly one of the moral dilemas CCP is facing, but trust me, if CCP does want to remove him from the picture I'm pretty sure all they need is to ask him to do so in order not to enrage those 10k accounts (not players, accounts) and he'll do so promptly because as seen in his apology, he's responsable enough to do so.
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:30:00 -
[2302] - Quote
Here is a few good set of question for CCP...........
Will i get banned for saying someone should kill them selves, just like the MIttani said, will i get banned? What if i am a CSM, will i still get banned or can i abuse the rules cos i have a star in my jumpwings as a CSM? Or are we allowed to scorn people now by saying so and so should kill themselves without the risk of been banned?
This is getting interesting |
Ai Shun
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:30:00 -
[2303] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:31:00 -
[2304] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. The body currently headed by The Mittani is discussing recent events involving the behaviour of The Mittani? Cool.
You know, there are like 11 other members? I'm sure they all have something they'd like to say and discuss. Or are the other CSM members incapable of intelligent discussion (based on the evemail I got from Darius I'd say I'm worried about some of them). |
Inovy Dacella
Proper Villains
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:31:00 -
[2305] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
Besides (as I keep reminding everyone) he hasn't actually broken any rules. There's no reason to ban him from a EULA/TOS perspective, no matter how acceptable his behaviour may or may not have been.
Do you honestly think 10,000 players will quit because of one person? And even if they did it would make no difference, he would still be banned. Money will not take part in the decision. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:31:00 -
[2306] - Quote
L00B wrote:Couple those things with this internet rage machine you seem to be caught in being WAY more mad about this event than the actual person aggrieved, is just pathetic, transparent, and an obvious ploy for nothing but attention cloaked as politics.
You think that a given victim should be the arbiter of how a community feels about these actions? Because if that guy feels ok the same actions could never, ever be repeated towards someone else? Because these actions have absolutely no implications for anyone but that one individual? Sound reasoning, sir!
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:32:00 -
[2307] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. The body currently headed by The Mittani is discussing recent events involving the behaviour of The Mittani? Cool.
No you're right, lets have another election. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:33:00 -
[2308] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:First off, it's not something I'd ever say personally and find objectionable because that's not what I do, but I'm not the goonest of the goons either so I also believe one has to keep a sense of proportion and perspective.
The Mittani, CEO of goonswarm and notorious ahole did a presentation, he did so in that quality. While he does also have a seat on the CSM, he didn't act in that capacity anymore than he did act as a lawyer, as an american or as a male. Saying it's the same thing would be akin to saying "American incite others to harass blokes, death to all americans".
Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers. There was also booze involved.
It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood, or are we requesting that CCP ban all those who "hoped" CCP Soundwave would die in a fire for InCarna?
WhatGÇÖs the point of this stupid ****? Are you trying to tell us Mitty has turned into a ***** and is backing out of his promise to resign? Are you trying to bail your buddy out of a hole? Being drunk isnGÇÖt any excuse and you know it. He used his position on a public stage provided by CCP to mock, bully, and attempted to instigate widespread harassment of another player in real life.
That guy that GÇ¥hopedGÇ¥ CCP Soundwave died in a fire? Well, he was banned. I guess by that logic MittyGÇÖs fate is a forgone conclusion, right? After all, Mitty didnGÇÖt just hope he GÇ£encouraged people to bully a guy into committing suicideGÇ¥ in real lifeGǪ
Why shouldnGÇÖt he be banned? This isnGÇÖt just a public relations issue this is a company policy issue. **** off and let the big boys sing us their song. They claim to be doing the investigation right now.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:33:00 -
[2309] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned.
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Ntrails
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:33:00 -
[2310] - Quote
Alaxen wrote:Mittens, your apology might have been believable if you hadn't also been consistently saying the same outside of the Alliance Forum. At the Null Sec round table you got a laugh out of the crowd for talking about "Murdering" newcomers to the game. Given that you're apologizing here and banning people who disagree with you over on Kugu.com, I'm going to go with 'obvious troll'.
The ban is for using the word fail in a fashion commensurate with being a bad poster. I think it would be upheld anywhere with even lax standards. |
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
180
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:33:00 -
[2311] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote: You're not very good at dodging questions. I'll take your inability to respond to the point as your concession that you have no response. Face it, you and your alts have your hands stuck in the cookie jar and there's no getting out of it. You are the one's making mountains of molehills for your own agendas and you know it. Also, quoting yourself was a pretty stupid move as it makes your motivations very clear as to why you're so attached to the issue of getting more and more punishments heaped on an issue you are in no way directly connected to. I'd suggest you stop trying to dig out of the hole you're in.
How tpb "The Wis" feels about what happened is not the primary issue. It never was.[/quote]
I know it was. As I've already pointed out (and how you seem to like ignoring for convenience), the issue is that you found something public that you could personally feel indignant about and blew it out of proportion and grabbed your pitchfork for a witch hunt. You have an axe to grind. You don't contest this because it is true. I'm ready to hear your backpedaling.
Princess Bride wrote:The issue is that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable. If you need an explanation as to why, read Alex's apology where he explains it clearly. Do you agree with Alex on this point, or not?
Clearly every statement made in poor taste in or about EVE requires a media circus in the gaming blogs and a 100+ post threadnaught. Since the offense only has a victim in the form of a bunch of angry white knights with agendas and nothing else, I personally find little reason to care about what you find "unacceptable." |
DrunkenOne
Unknown Soldiers GIANTSBANE.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:33:00 -
[2312] - Quote
even ingame as an elected official you should feel ashamed. Resign now, the game is better without you!
CCP this should be a perma ban. Legally CCP could be held responsible for promoting hate. This guy is a cancer GHTFO |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:34:00 -
[2313] - Quote
Nacion Allier wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. By showing yourself as a drunken loudmouths the CMS lost all credibility, disband yourself is the only decent thing to do!
GoonSwarm did that already and look what happened, the suicide inciter got into power and began his reign of terror over Titan owners and Makinaw pilots! |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:35:00 -
[2314] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned.
So what's the math on any future lawsuits in which the plaintiff uses CCP -not- banning The Mittani for this as evidence that CCP was grossly negligent in letting behaviour like this go unpunished? Wrongful death awards can range pretty high, and a decent argument can be made for comparative negligence if they let it stand. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Gark32
White Star Line 2010 GIANTSBANE.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:35:00 -
[2315] - Quote
a Ban would not let the punishment fit the crime, so i say no ban.
i do, however, think that he should step down from chair, and possibly from the CSM in general. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:36:00 -
[2316] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote: He used his position on a public stage provided by CCP to mock, bully, and attempted to instigate widespread harassment of another player in real life.
Ummm, he used his position as an Alliance CEO at the Alliance Panel. You know, people have different roles at different times?
It doesn't matter though, your opinion is a foregone conclusion. Your open hatred prevents any sort of logical reasoning. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:36:00 -
[2317] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote: How tpb "The Wis" feels about what happened is not the primary issue. It never was. The issue is that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable. If you need an explanation as to why, read Alex's apology where he explains it clearly. Do you agree with Alex on this point, or not?
No, I don't. I don't have an issue with the apology, I have an issue with you and your band of dipshits crowing about this like it's some sort of moral holocaust. Without the Wis, you wouldn't even have this thread at all. And considering the Wis doesn't give a damn, it follows that none of you really should either.
It's completely clear that it matters not to you people what the original event was.
Find out he put his foot in his mouth? Take days to get offended.
Person insulted isn't offended? Claim moral high ground by insisting it's the concept, not the facts.
A goon apologizes, shattering your worldview that we're all sociopathic societal rejects? Backpedal and pretend that CCP is the company you wish it to be, not the company it is.
Get pointed out that CCP isn't what you think is? Instantly become experts in international law and predict lawsuits. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
71
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:37:00 -
[2318] - Quote
Resignation is the only option. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3614
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:37:00 -
[2319] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned. So what's the math on any future lawsuits in which the plaintiff uses CCP -not- banning The Mittani for this as evidence that CCP was grossly negligent in letting behaviour like this go unpunished? Wrongful death awards can range pretty high, and a decent argument can be made for comparative negligence if they let it stand.
you're a useless waste of oxygen, fyi "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kilikas Avoridian
Hard Knocks Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:37:00 -
[2320] - Quote
HEY MITTONS I HAVE IDEA
IF YOU GET REMOVED FROM CHAIR YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF
THAT WILL TEACH CCP FOR USING SOCCER MOMS TO MEDIATE INTERNET SPACE SHIPS |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3614
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:37:00 -
[2321] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Resignation is the only option.
we get it you don't want your poor little titan nerfed "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Something Random
The Barrow Boys
134
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:38:00 -
[2322] - Quote
Your not the first and wont be the last to drop drama bombs while 'a bit drunk'.
Dont sweat it ponysefski. "caught on fire a little bit, just a little." "Delinquents, check, weirdos, check, hippies, check, pillheads, check, freaks, check, potheads, check .....gangsn++ all here!" |
Prince Kobol
386
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:38:00 -
[2323] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Kai Tel wrote: He used his position on a public stage provided by CCP to mock, bully, and attempted to instigate widespread harassment of another player in real life.
Ummm, he used his position as an Alliance CEO at the Alliance Panel. You know, people have different roles at different times? It doesn't matter though, your opinion is a foregone conclusion. Your open hatred prevents any sort of logical reasoning.
I guess that also includes the open hatred of most internet media outlet that reported the story as well considering that they reported him as CSM Chairman.
That is a lot of people who have a open hatred of him, must be a swell guy |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3614
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:39:00 -
[2324] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned. So what's the math on any future lawsuits in which the plaintiff uses CCP -not- banning The Mittani for this as evidence that CCP was grossly negligent in letting behaviour like this go unpunished? Wrongful death awards can range pretty high, and a decent argument can be made for comparative negligence if they let it stand.
also f y i there is no goddamn possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit
you're absolutely retarded goddamn "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:39:00 -
[2325] - Quote
Gark32 wrote:a Ban would not let the punishment fit the crime, so i say no ban.
i do, however, think that he should step down from chair, and possibly from the CSM in general.
you knows whats intresting about this is? The Mittani may voted himself out of the CSM. That is to say that all those people that voted against him may have not even needed to do the voting. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1055
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:39:00 -
[2326] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Interesting to see how the little bees and pets have transitioned from the '**** you pubbie' posts to the 'stop picking on our sincere leader' QQ ****. Mr Epeen I wast wondering when this sockpuppet was going to get pulled out again. Its been a while since your last spree of contentless posts.
Looks like Merch lost the pet of the day coin toss and have to play the staunch defenders of the mittani legacy until the next one.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:40:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:stuff
Do you believe that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable, or not? Still waiting on your answer. Dodging the question much? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:41:00 -
[2328] - Quote
It is hilarious how out of proportion this has gotten.
The absolute irony of this all is that the supposed 'victim' of this all is currently happily mining away on his 24 mackinaws, mostly oblivious to all the forum white-knights frothing at the mouth to condemn their eternal villain.
This is not real world politics. This is a fucking video game.
There are no 'higher standards' that any CSM has to maintain. That is utter bullshit.
The amount of hate and verbal abuse thrown at The Mittani and Goons in general makes this entire community absolutely reek of hypocrisy.
CCP's best bet is to continue on, business as usual. At worst, establish some stricter controls over the Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2013.
In a couple days time, Goons and The Mittani will be laughing our asses off about how the entire Eve community was trolled to shit by the most epic example of Poe's Law ever to present itself on the Eve-O forums. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
272
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:42:00 -
[2329] - Quote
Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned. So what's the math on any future lawsuits in which the plaintiff uses CCP -not- banning The Mittani for this as evidence that CCP was grossly negligent in letting behaviour like this go unpunished? Wrongful death awards can range pretty high, and a decent argument can be made for comparative negligence if they let it stand. also f y i there is no goddamn possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit you're absolutely re tarded goddamn
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/09/rutgers_student_kills_himself.html
You are just being plain silly now. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:42:00 -
[2330] - Quote
Andski wrote:
also f y i there is no goddamn possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit
you're absolutely retarded goddamn
Actually, there is.
If one of Eve's players commits suicide in the future, and it appears to be about cyber-bullying on Eve, you can be SURE that the plaintiff's counsel will bring up facts about how CCP has handled cases of cyber-bullying in the past. That's a given.
Also, reported for filter bypass. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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Prince Kobol
386
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:43:00 -
[2331] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:It is hilarious how out of proportion this has gotten. The absolute irony of this all is that the supposed 'victim' of this all is currently happily mining away on his 24 mackinaws, mostly oblivious to all the forum white-knights frothing at the mouth to condemn their eternal villain. This is not real world politics. This is a fuc king video game. There are no 'higher standards' that any CSM has to maintain. That is utter bullsh it. The amount of hate and verbal abuse thrown at The Mittani and Goons in general makes this entire community absolutely reek of hypocrisy. CCP's best bet is to continue on, business as usual. At worst, establish some stricter controls over the Alliance Panel at Fanfest 2013. In a couple days time, Goons and The Mittani will be laughing our asses off about how the entire Eve community was trolled to sh it by the most epic example of Poe's Law ever to present itself on the Eve-O forums.
It amazes me that when the Goons are spreading their hate and verbal abuse its funny and cool because were all pubbies and deserve to die, but when the tables are turned its all hypocrisy.
Its a funny world we live in
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L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:43:00 -
[2332] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:stuff Do you believe that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable, or not? Still waiting on your answer. Dodging the question much?
In relative terms, with all the other **** that goes on in this game? Nope. You act like we live in a legal culture where stealing several thousand dollars worth of assets is somehow not held as a worse crime than saying "Kill yourself". You need to go outside more, perhaps consider reading the paper or maybe some books. |
BlitzUrSeoul
Two Brothers Mining Corp. GIANTSBANE.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:43:00 -
[2333] - Quote
It dissapoints me when i See Fellow EvE players Make mistakes. Its one thing to be serious, but out of spite. You should never Make jokes or disrespect one's Nature. Games have reflections to Human feelings if we want to believe it or not.
As much as This situation has exploded. I feel Alex "Mittani" has made a Heartfelt apologie, However he needs to do the Correct motive and step down as CSM. Atleast he has made steps foward to retaining some diginity.
All in All, This subject should not be a laughing matter.
Deepest Sympathy's for both Parties, BlitzUrSeoul - Giantsbane. CEO |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:44:00 -
[2334] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned. Yes, it is. A pretty unrealistic one too.
However, that wasn't my point. The point is that from CCP's standpoint, it's a simple matter of weighing the potential financial impact of banning him against the potential impact of negative PR. The above is meant as a worst-case scenario...I would have assumed that much would be obvious. GoonSwarm may seem from an outside perspective to be a "hive mind" but I doubt that's actually the case (unless Mittani has been doing his own Third Wave Experiment or something).
All of this, of course, ignores the other point that I'd brought up in that post: Mittani didn't break any rules. As far as I know CCP hasn't codified CSM conduct, so to ban him would be setting a pretty nasty precedent. "You didn't actually break any of the rules you agreed to follow, but from our subjective standpoint we don't like what you did so we're banning you anyway." I'm not saying that isn't possible, but it definitely behooves them to draw a line somewhere so people know exactly what is and isn't "acceptable conduct". |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3615
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:44:00 -
[2335] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:
also f y i there is no goddamn possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit
you're absolutely retarded goddamn
Actually, there is. If one of Eve's players commits suicide in the future, and it appears to be about cyber-bullying on Eve, you can be SURE that the plaintiff's counsel will bring up facts about how CCP has handled cases of cyber-bullying in the past. That's a given. Also, reported for filter bypass.
LOL you are hilarious
never stop
seriously in your case you should probably be banned for all this e-stalking you've loudly stated that you've done "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Inovy Dacella
Proper Villains
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:44:00 -
[2336] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Nacion Allier wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. By showing yourself as a drunken loudmouths the CMS lost all credibility, disband yourself is the only decent thing to do! GoonSwarm did that already and look what happened, the suicide inciter got into power and began his reign of terror over Titan owners and Makinaw pilots!
So you think Titan owners and Makinaw pilots should have more rights? |
OfBalance
Caldari State
280
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:45:00 -
[2337] - Quote
O SPACE-CAPTAIN! my Space-Captain! their smear campaign is done; The votes have weathered every rack, the prize we sought is won; The port is near, the cries I hear, the people all insulting, While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and sulking: But O heart! heart! heart! O the bleeding drops of red, Where on the deck my Space-Captain lies, Fallen from smug to dread.
O Space-Captain! my Space-Captain! rise up and hear the yells; Rise upGÇöfor you the flag is flungGÇöfor you the posting trills; For you catalysts and ganked wreathsGÇöfor you the goons a-crowding; For you they call, the swaying mass, their eager faces turning; Here Space-Captain! dear goonfather! This post beneath your text; It is some dream that on the forum, Fallen from smug to dread.
My Space-Captain does not answer, his posts are pale and ill; My goonfather does not read my text, he has no smug nor will; The ship is anchorGÇÖd safe and sound, its voyage closed and done; From massive vote, the victor ship, comes in with CSM won; Exult, O stations, and writhe, O pubbies! But I, with mournful tread, On the forum my Space-Captain lies, Fallen from smug to dread. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:46:00 -
[2338] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Princess Bride wrote:The issue is that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable. If you need an explanation as to why, read Alex's apology where he explains it clearly. Do you agree with Alex on this point, or not? Clearly every statement made in poor taste in or about EVE requires a media circus in the gaming blogs and a 100+ post threadnaught. Since the offense only has a victim in the form of a bunch of angry white knights with agendas and nothing else, I personally find little reason to care about what you find "unacceptable."
Sigh, even after their space-king as admitted he's in the wrong, they still continue......
Almost as if they know his apology was a Fake!
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Deren Gard
Meritoc Industries Inc. SRS.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:46:00 -
[2339] - Quote
As someone who's hung out with Alex once or twice in the past - and as a W-space pilot with virtually nothing at stake in the spergtastic melodrama-saturated world of alliance politics - I think his response to his (colossal) mistake is genuine. When we play this game, whether we're explicit RPers or not, we're all playing roles. I'm a combat pilot who thrives on conflict and maybe a little in-game trolling from time to time, but that's because this is all just internet spaceships. Nothing is ever really at stake in Eve Online, so being an obnoxious jerk to strangers in New Eden amounts to nothing in real life. In real life, I'm just some guy with a job, a fiancee, and a desire to make the real world a better place.
I don't know Alex that well, but we got on fine the few times that we hung out. The fact that he let his in-game persona contaminate his actions in reality is seriously disappointing, and it was an awful thing to do, and it knocked him down several pegs in my eyes. But I at least know him well enough to know that he's not blowing smoke when he talks about resigning from the CSM and giving the miner in question all of his ISK. I have no doubt that he's actually horrified by his actions, and rightfully so. Of course, he's also bearing the consequences of having spent the past few years building up a cult of personality among the Goon bloc, and the knee-jerk responses jumping to his defense are making things worse, not better.
There's a part of me that personally resents this whole mess, because there's no game on earth like Eve Online, and I spend a lot of time and energy evangelizing this game. I want to see the sandbox MMO genre grow, and that will only happen as more people start to realize what's possible in games like Eve. But when this kind of thing happens, it just makes potential players more reluctant, and it paints Eve - and sandbox MMOs in general - as a hive of sociopathic maniacs whose sole purpose in life is to bring each other to suicidal ruin. It actually negatively impacts the genre, and I hate that this latest setback came from someone who's always spoken so highly of the player-driven sandbox.
I think resigning from the CSM is the best thing Alex can do to demonstrate that he actually feels sorry for screwing the pooch here. As for giving all his ISK to the Mac miner, I imagine that's something for the victim to decide.
TL;DR Alex was a jerk, but he's actually sorry; all this noise ain't helping. |
CarbonBunny
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:46:00 -
[2340] - Quote
Step One stepping down from chair, i agree with step two should be your character being banned form game.
the reality here is that there are some people in this world who may use this game as there social platform as in they may have issues preventing them from being able to socialize in the normal context. the fact you took the mick out of this guy / girl and also in public is a dissgrace for eve and eve players, yes we all like a little bit of banter every now and then, does not give anyone in power to riddicule them without there knowledge or permission. i think it is dissgusting what you have done and would actually like to see ccp do something about this. |
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:46:00 -
[2341] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned. So what's the math on any future lawsuits in which the plaintiff uses CCP -not- banning The Mittani for this as evidence that CCP was grossly negligent in letting behaviour like this go unpunished? Wrongful death awards can range pretty high, and a decent argument can be made for comparative negligence if they let it stand.
Except that the EULA and the TOS cover them from legal responsibility for an incident like this.
You are forgetting, rather conveniently I might add, that the actual victim in this case signed up to play eve, he was not strapped into a chair and forced to do anything against his will. He played a game where subterfuge, backstabbing, spying, stealing, killing and other forms of base human behavior are openly encourages by the developer, and their TOS and EULA prevent legal action from being taken against them in a case where an in-game event leads to RL self-inflicted harm.. The moment you log in, you are a part of that world and if you can't handle it, you should not play. The very idea that someone would commit suicide over grief done to them in-game even if encouraged outside the game implies that such a person needs professional help and should not have been playing a computer game with such a wide array of negative social interaction in the first place.
Deny the above all you want, I know you will cause you're an internet psuedo-legal hack and people like you are a dime a dozen. |
Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:47:00 -
[2342] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote:It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood Don't... do that. Nothing has been blown out of proportion and there's no need to take Mittani's possible resignation from CSM so dramatically. What he did out there could end *really* dramatically though, but one guy stepping down from his position of lead community representative shouldn't be such a big deal for the rest of the CSM, nor you should even think about protecting or finding excuses for him (if that's what you intend to do). Finally, If he had the tiniest sense for responsibility and wasn't so obsessed with spotlights and virtual power, he would already step down and silence this shitstorm before it started.
So just help him to resign asap and save your own reputation as respected CSM member before it's too late. |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:48:00 -
[2343] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Interesting to see how the little bees and pets have transitioned from the '**** you pubbie' posts to the 'stop picking on our sincere leader' QQ ****. Mr Epeen I wast wondering when this sockpuppet was going to get pulled out again. Its been a while since your last spree of contentless posts. Looks like Merch lost the pet of the day coin toss and have to play the staunch defenders of the mittani legacy until the next one. Mr Epeen
As much as I hate MerchI and everything they represent including furries, at least they dont sign their posts. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:50:00 -
[2344] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Kai Tel wrote: He used his position on a public stage provided by CCP to mock, bully, and attempted to instigate widespread harassment of another player in real life.
Ummm, he used his position as an Alliance CEO at the Alliance Panel. You know, people have different roles at different times? It doesn't matter though, your opinion is a foregone conclusion. Your open hatred prevents any sort of logical reasoning.
Exactly. He made a real life threat against another player... What happens in those cases per company policy? I am glad that's not in question. The official policy in those cases is an entirely reasonable punuishment for Mitty. I know you little wall boogers want to line up on the stall door and swarm to the king nose picker's defense but that's just not going to help you here. I don't hate you or him. But I am having fun (getting something for my sub fee) watching the raw amount of squirming you do trying to cover for his screw ups. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:50:00 -
[2345] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:stuff Do you believe that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable, or not? Still waiting on your answer. Dodging the question much?
You don't read. That's nice. Since you can't bother reading things you seem to want to argue about I'll repeat myself. I, personally, do not find his statements out of line to the extent that he has been accused of. Is it proper to incite another person to actual suicide? No. I agree with The Mittani on that point. However, you take that and run with it to your own ends. You keep trying to refocus this away from your own motivations for blowing this out of proportion. Don't worry sweetcakes, everyone with basic reading skills already knows that you have an axe to grind. You've already said as much yourself. This isn't about the person he made the joke about, its that you found something to get offended about and because you were offended by it he has to be punished. I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't stop on a dime for things you want to get offended about. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
274
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:50:00 -
[2346] - Quote
Deren Gard wrote:As someone who's hung out with Alex once or twice in the past - and as a W-space pilot with virtually nothing at stake in the spergtastic melodrama-saturated world of alliance politics - I think his response to his (colossal) mistake is genuine. When we play this game, whether we're explicit RPers or not, we're all playing roles. I'm a combat pilot who thrives on conflict and maybe a little in-game trolling from time to time, but that's because this is all just internet spaceships. Nothing is ever really at stake in Eve Online, so being an obnoxious jerk to strangers in New Eden amounts to nothing in real life. In real life, I'm just some guy with a job, a fiancee, and a desire to make the real world a better place.
I don't know Alex that well, but we got on fine the few times that we hung out. The fact that he let his in-game persona contaminate his actions in reality is seriously disappointing, and it was an awful thing to do, and it knocked him down several pegs in my eyes. But I at least know him well enough to know that he's not blowing smoke when he talks about resigning from the CSM and giving the miner in question all of his ISK. I have no doubt that he's actually horrified by his actions, and rightfully so. Of course, he's also bearing the consequences of having spent the past few years building up a cult of personality among the Goon bloc, and the knee-jerk responses jumping to his defense are making things worse, not better.
There's a part of me that personally resents this whole mess, because there's no game on earth like Eve Online, and I spend a lot of time and energy evangelizing this game. I want to see the sandbox MMO genre grow, and that will only happen as more people start to realize what's possible in games like Eve. But when this kind of thing happens, it just makes potential players more reluctant, and it paints Eve - and sandbox MMOs in general - as a hive of sociopathic maniacs whose sole purpose in life is to bring each other to suicidal ruin. It actually negatively impacts the genre, and I hate that this latest setback came from someone who's always spoken so highly of the player-driven sandbox.
I think resigning from the CSM is the best thing Alex can do to demonstrate that he actually feels sorry for screwing the pooch here. As for giving all his ISK to the Mac miner, I imagine that's something for the victim to decide.
TL;DR Alex was a jerk, but he's actually sorry; all this noise ain't helping.
Not all of us can confirm his personality or have a chance to hang out with him. Though your anecdotal tripe is cute. What we can see is if he is no longer on the CSM representing us. I use the term representing loosely. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:51:00 -
[2347] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. The body currently headed by The Mittani is discussing recent events involving the behaviour of The Mittani? Cool. No you're right, lets have another election. Kara Roideater wrote: You think that a given victim should be the arbiter of how a community feels about these actions? Because if that guy feels ok the same actions could never, ever be repeated towards someone else? Because these actions have absolutely no implications for anyone but that one individual? Sound reasoning, sir!
Conversely, if theres no victim this time whats to say there'll be no victim next time. Have some internal consistency in your arguments please.
I don't think 'conversely' is the word you're after. The precise point is we don't know what will happen, which means such actions are a gamble with someone's well-being. I don't think 'internal consistency' is really the phrase you need either since you haven't pointed out any inconsistency but do please continue to throw arbitrary words and phrases into sentences. You know, monkeys and typewriters and all that ... you might put together something sensible somewhere down the line by accident. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:51:00 -
[2348] - Quote
Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:
also f y i there is no goddamn possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit
you're absolutely retarded goddamn
Actually, there is. If one of Eve's players commits suicide in the future, and it appears to be about cyber-bullying on Eve, you can be SURE that the plaintiff's counsel will bring up facts about how CCP has handled cases of cyber-bullying in the past. That's a given. Also, reported for filter bypass. LOL you are hilarious never stop seriously in your case you should probably be banned for all this e-stalking you've loudly stated that you've done
I'd say that being the first person to point out a sociopath isn't the same as stalking, but then again that would imply I was the first person to point it out. I stand by my original assessment of Alex, which is to say I agree with everything negative he's said bragged about himself prior to this pseudo-apology. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
181
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:51:00 -
[2349] - Quote
Aldarica wrote:Meissa Anunthiel wrote:It's blown out of proportion, people would do well to get out of the lynch mentality and analyze the actual damage/impact for a moment before calling for blood Don't... do that. Nothing has been blown out of proportion and there's no need to take Mittani's possible resignation from CSM so dramatically. What he did out there could end *really* dramatically though, but one guy stepping down from his position of lead community representative shouldn't be such a big deal for the rest of the CSM, nor you should even think about protecting or finding excuses for him (if that's what you intend to do). Finally, If he had the tiniest sense for responsibility and wasn't so obsessed with spotlights and virtual power, he would already step down and silence this shitstorm before it started. So just help him to resign asap and save your own reputation as respected CSM member before it's too late. DON'T QUESTION ME AND DO WHAT I WANT YOU TO QUICKLY~ |
M1k3y Koontz
Blackened Skies THE UNTHINKABLES
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:53:00 -
[2350] - Quote
Wow... what a politician.
DelBoy Trades wrote:The Mittani wrote:@TheMittani Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable. Still going through with it?
Sure hope so, action are greater than words.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:53:00 -
[2351] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote:
also f y i there is no goddamn possibility of a wrongful death lawsuit
you're absolutely retarded goddamn
Actually, there is. If one of Eve's players commits suicide in the future, and it appears to be about cyber-bullying on Eve, you can be SURE that the plaintiff's counsel will bring up facts about how CCP has handled cases of cyber-bullying in the past. That's a given. Also, reported for filter bypass.
Someone doesn't know how the legal system works. |
Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:54:00 -
[2352] - Quote
That The Mittani has been a plot-mover in the player-guided narrative of EVE is admirable and deserves recognition and praise and thanks. I'll also trust that his apology is sincere. But fanfest events showed that Alex Gianturco does not have the qualities that CCP must demand for an out-of-game CSM position: his behaviour was unacceptable and his ingame achievements (or number of fans) should not excuse him. We might feel that, hey, it was just a little mistake which we all do when we're drunk down the pub; but it wasn't a little mistake and it wasn't down the pub. |
Citamarret
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:55:00 -
[2353] - Quote
Dear "Mittens" (Mind if I call you that, Alex?),
The heartfelt apology is much appreciated, but I believe I speak for all of us in saying that it just is not enough. The People of this Eve Online Internet Video Game demand more. Therefore, I propose Alex "The Mittani" Gianturco be required to mine ice in a Mackinaw until he has fully reimbursed "The Wis". After which, "The Wis" will destroy the Mackinaw and pod Mittens in his ship of choice. Some may say this punishment is cruel and unusual, but I feel these are special circumstances requiring special action.
We await your reply.
Sincerely, The Eve Online Online Video Game Playerbase |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:57:00 -
[2354] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:stuff Do you believe that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable, or not? Still waiting on your answer. Dodging the question much? You don't read. That's nice. Since you can't bother reading things you seem to want to argue about I'll repeat myself. I, personally, do not find his statements out of line to the extent that he has been accused of. Is it proper to incite another person to actual suicide? No. I agree with The Mittani on that point. However, you take that and run with it to your own ends. You keep trying to refocus this away from your own motivations for blowing this out of proportion. Don't worry sweetcakes, everyone with basic reading skills already knows that you have an axe to grind. You've already said as much yourself. This isn't about the person he made the joke about, its that you found something to get offended about and because you were offended by it he has to be punished. I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't stop on a dime for things you want to get offended about.
So, goon tears best tears? "Wah, even though I admit what he did was horrible, you're being UNFAIR!" "Wah, you have an axe to grind, quit being so mean!"
all i see in your posts is GÇÿa bloo bloo blooGÇÖ, my computer must be screwing up again~
Also, you may want to look around at the number of people other than me who were offended by it. That doesn't worry you? It should. It worries CCP, the CSM, and especially Alex. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Anghus McKay
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:57:00 -
[2355] - Quote
Well, he apologized, sincerely.
The subject is still fine and actually not too impressed with it.
I'd say all is well, move along.
No point in rehashing this. People make mistakes and then they apologize. End of story. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
276
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:59:00 -
[2356] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:stuff Do you believe that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable, or not? Still waiting on your answer. Dodging the question much? You don't read. That's nice. Since you can't bother reading things you seem to want to argue about I'll repeat myself. I, personally, do not find his statements out of line to the extent that he has been accused of. Is it proper to incite another person to actual suicide? No. I agree with The Mittani on that point. However, you take that and run with it to your own ends. You keep trying to refocus this away from your own motivations for blowing this out of proportion. Don't worry sweetcakes, everyone with basic reading skills already knows that you have an axe to grind. You've already said as much yourself. This isn't about the person he made the joke about, its that you found something to get offended about and because you were offended by it he has to be punished. I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't stop on a dime for things you want to get offended about.
He did something worse he painted a giant target on another players back in and IRL venue.
Unless you can 100% account for the actions for every person that might have taken up the charge to drive a person to death knowing it was just a joke. You cannot in good conscious stand behind what the Alex did.
He himself might know there is a limit, but what about the 1000s that might have taken up his charge?
He put another persons life on the line, he put another persons life in jeopardy. Its not a game anymore, its not a joke.
This is why what he did is beyond messed up and evil and sets a terrible standard.
He needs to step down from the CSM.
You goons need to step back from this ASAP. You are only making it a 1000 times worse then it had to be. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:59:00 -
[2357] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote: If one of Eve's players commits suicide in the future, and it appears to be about cyber-bullying on Eve, you can be SURE that the plaintiff's counsel will bring up facts about how CCP has handled cases of cyber-bullying in the past. That's a given.
Please, share with us your qualifications to make such statements regarding specifically the following
a) how much time you've spent on these forums vs b) how much time you have spent being educated by a competent authority regarding the actual profession of law
The only given is that you're a ******* windbag opportunist. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
181
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:59:00 -
[2358] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:stuff Do you believe that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable, or not? Still waiting on your answer. Dodging the question much? You don't read. That's nice. Since you can't bother reading things you seem to want to argue about I'll repeat myself. I, personally, do not find his statements out of line to the extent that he has been accused of. Is it proper to incite another person to actual suicide? No. I agree with The Mittani on that point. However, you take that and run with it to your own ends. You keep trying to refocus this away from your own motivations for blowing this out of proportion. Don't worry sweetcakes, everyone with basic reading skills already knows that you have an axe to grind. You've already said as much yourself. This isn't about the person he made the joke about, its that you found something to get offended about and because you were offended by it he has to be punished. I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't stop on a dime for things you want to get offended about. So, goon tears best tears? "Wah, even though I admit what he did was horrible, you're being UNFAIR!" "Wah, you have an axe to grind, quit being so mean!" all i see in your posts is GÇÿa bloo bloo blooGÇÖ, my computer must be screwing up again~ Also, you may want to look around at the number of people other than me who were offended by it. That doesn't worry you? It should. It worries Alex. And now we get down to brass tacks with you being honest for once. Glad we could get your true colors out there. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
103
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 18:59:00 -
[2359] - Quote
Florio wrote: But fanfest events showed that Alex Gianturco does not have the qualities that CCP must demand for an out-of-game CSM position: his behaviour was unacceptable and his ingame achievements (or number of fans) should not excuse him.
What the fuck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online.
And since when does CCP demand that CSMs have certain qualities aside from being over 18 and willing to give out their real name?
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
276
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:01:00 -
[2360] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Florio wrote: But fanfest events showed that Alex Gianturco does not have the qualities that CCP must demand for an out-of-game CSM position: his behaviour was unacceptable and his ingame achievements (or number of fans) should not excuse him. What the fu ck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online. And since when does CCP demand that CSMs have certain qualities aside from being over 18 and willing to give out their real name?
You should read the rules of running for CSM mate.
Thanks for admitting he dosent represent the players though. |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
276
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:02:00 -
[2361] - Quote
L00B wrote:Princess Bride wrote: If one of Eve's players commits suicide in the future, and it appears to be about cyber-bullying on Eve, you can be SURE that the plaintiff's counsel will bring up facts about how CCP has handled cases of cyber-bullying in the past. That's a given.
Please, share with us your qualifications to make such statements regarding specifically the following a) how much time you've spent on these forums vs b) how much time you have spent being educated by a competent authority regarding the actual profession of law The only given is that you're a ******* windbag opportunist.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/09/rutgers_student_kills_himself.html
Just saying. Though not a perfect fit the school itself is in litigation for the students death as well. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
103
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:02:00 -
[2362] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Florio wrote: But fanfest events showed that Alex Gianturco does not have the qualities that CCP must demand for an out-of-game CSM position: his behaviour was unacceptable and his ingame achievements (or number of fans) should not excuse him. What the fu ck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online. And since when does CCP demand that CSMs have certain qualities aside from being over 18 and willing to give out their real name? You should read the rules of running for CSM mate. Thanks for admitting he dosent represent the players though.
Thanks for admitting you don't understand the purpose of an Alliance Panel as opposed to the CSM Panel.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
334
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:02:00 -
[2363] - Quote
May as post just about anything here since we're 114 pages in and nobody is reading any of this any more Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:03:00 -
[2364] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Florio wrote: But fanfest events showed that Alex Gianturco does not have the qualities that CCP must demand for an out-of-game CSM position: his behaviour was unacceptable and his ingame achievements (or number of fans) should not excuse him. What the fu ck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online. And since when does CCP demand that CSMs have certain qualities aside from being over 18 and willing to give out their real name?
Since they wrote this:
Quote:They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
SpaceBenfish
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:04:00 -
[2365] - Quote
I think he should resign because Alex really shouldn't have to read or put up with the attention seeker space politics crap. You all deserve all the freighter convoys, space fashion, and titans you get.
~insert dark knight reference~
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:05:00 -
[2366] - Quote
L00B wrote:Princess Bride wrote: If one of Eve's players commits suicide in the future, and it appears to be about cyber-bullying on Eve, you can be SURE that the plaintiff's counsel will bring up facts about how CCP has handled cases of cyber-bullying in the past. That's a given.
Please, share with us your qualifications to make such statements regarding specifically the following a) how much time you've spent on these forums vs b) how much time you have spent being educated by a competent authority regarding the actual profession of law The only given is that you're a ******* windbag opportunist.
I'll quote my qualifications and provide documentation of such as soon as Alex provides the same. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
103
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:05:00 -
[2367] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Florio wrote: But fanfest events showed that Alex Gianturco does not have the qualities that CCP must demand for an out-of-game CSM position: his behaviour was unacceptable and his ingame achievements (or number of fans) should not excuse him. What the fu ck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online. And since when does CCP demand that CSMs have certain qualities aside from being over 18 and willing to give out their real name? Since they wrote this: Quote:They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM
Then please elaborate on exactly which section of the EULA/TOS were broken. |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:06:00 -
[2368] - Quote
xXv1c10usXx wrote:You know what. All this pubbie B*** S*** is entirely too funny. You complain and gripe about an aspect of the game that is prevalent and real in the arena of play. If such an environment did not exist, then Empire space would be completely safe, no pirates would exist and no conflict would exist in game. Guess what, even the presentations were a reflection of the gaming community, NOT the players real life, even though real people were present.
GET OVER YOURSELF already. Holy Sh!7!!!! Crawl back in to your hole and go play ANGRY BIRDS and take your frustrations on on something where no-one loses except you and your whiny ass, disillusioned pansies that you associate with.
IF, I was offended, the dude apologized. so STFU and move on. I thought is was funny as hell myself. I know all your friends IRL don't need any enemies with folks like you around.
Quoting self to add to the irrelevant fray. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:06:00 -
[2369] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote: I don't think 'conversely' is the word you're after. The precise point is we don't know what will happen, which means such actions are a gamble with someone's well-being. I don't think 'internal consistency' is really the phrase you need either since you haven't pointed out any inconsistency but do please continue to throw arbitrary words and phrases into sentences. You know, monkeys and typewriters and all that ... you might put together something sensible somewhere down the line by accident.
My point was we shouldn't be completely paralyzed into inaction because someone might be upset enough at something we do to kill themselves. Should we remove non-consentual pvp from Eve in case it upsets someone? What about scams? What if someone builds their entire sense of self worth around a terrible idea they post in features and ideas (its a trick question, all F&I posts are terrible)? Should we not be allowed to criticize it because they might kill themselves?
Suicide is tragic and encouraging someone to kill themselves is also bad but in this case there was no suicide and if people keep sensationalizing things CCP will be forced by the public outcries of people who will never play Eve to make it a lesser game. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:06:00 -
[2370] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Florio wrote: But fanfest events showed that Alex Gianturco does not have the qualities that CCP must demand for an out-of-game CSM position: his behaviour was unacceptable and his ingame achievements (or number of fans) should not excuse him. What the fu ck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online. And since when does CCP demand that CSMs have certain qualities aside from being over 18 and willing to give out their real name? Since they wrote this: Quote:They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM
Doesn't apply to out of game shenanigans. |
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:07:00 -
[2371] - Quote
SpaceBenfish wrote:I think he should resign because Alex really shouldn't have to read or put up with the attention seeker space politics crap. You all deserve all the freighter convoys, space fashion, and titans you get.
~insert dark knight reference~
well if he resign then he can probably run for CSM again next year but if he gets kicked out, then its very likelly he will be excluded from CSM forever. There is a wizdom in jumping out of a sinking ship earlier..... |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:09:00 -
[2372] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote: And now we get down to brass tacks with you being honest for once. Glad we could get your true colors out there.
Whatever helps you sleep at night m8. I think the part that really bothers you is you signed on to follow a cross between Mussolini and Machiavelli and ended up following David Hasselhoff. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Steve Celeste
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
254
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:09:00 -
[2373] - Quote
Kony for CSM chair, he can't be much worse than this mittens guy. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
182
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:10:00 -
[2374] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:stuff Do you believe that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable, or not? Still waiting on your answer. Dodging the question much? You don't read. That's nice. Since you can't bother reading things you seem to want to argue about I'll repeat myself. I, personally, do not find his statements out of line to the extent that he has been accused of. Is it proper to incite another person to actual suicide? No. I agree with The Mittani on that point. However, you take that and run with it to your own ends. You keep trying to refocus this away from your own motivations for blowing this out of proportion. Don't worry sweetcakes, everyone with basic reading skills already knows that you have an axe to grind. You've already said as much yourself. This isn't about the person he made the joke about, its that you found something to get offended about and because you were offended by it he has to be punished. I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't stop on a dime for things you want to get offended about. He did something worse he painted a giant target on another players back in and IRL venue. Unless you can 100% account for the actions for every person that might have taken up the charge to drive a person to death knowing it was just a joke. You cannot in good conscious stand behind what the Alex did. He himself might know there is a limit, but what about the 1000s that might have taken up his charge? He put another persons life on the line, he put another persons life in jeopardy. Its not a game anymore, its not a joke. This is why what he did is beyond messed up and evil and sets a terrible standard. He needs to step down from the CSM. You goons need to step back from this ASAP. You are only making it a 1000 times worse then it had to be.
This post is so painfully self-referential that I just have to help you see it.
By your logic, the act of sending people out to shoot internet spaceships is bad and a terrible idea because one of them might be suicidal and therefore, if they do commit suicide over you shooting their ship, you and everyone who imitated the idea of shooting those ships is responsible for that suicide. You live in a rather terrifying world where everything is everyone's fault huh?
Again, you're joining a lynch mob to turn a victim-less crime into some sort of world-ending event. Your compatriots have admitted as much. The only person who could have a right to complain about this as having been victimized by these events DOES NOT CARE. Not one iota. So, because they don't want to carry a pointless cross you take it up yourself and set about to crucify the person you don't like.
You pubbie alt corp posters need to step back from this ASAP. You are only making it a 1000 times worse then it had to be. |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:10:00 -
[2375] - Quote
xXv1c10usXx wrote:xXv1c10usXx wrote:You know what. All this pubbie B*** S*** is entirely too funny. You complain and gripe about an aspect of the game that is prevalent and real in the arena of play. If such an environment did not exist, then Empire space would be completely safe, no pirates would exist and no conflict would exist in game. Guess what, even the presentations were a reflection of the gaming community, NOT the players real life, even though real people were present.
GET OVER YOURSELF already. Holy Sh!7!!!! Crawl back in to your hole and go play ANGRY BIRDS and take your frustrations on on something where no-one loses except you and your whiny ass, disillusioned pansies that you associate with.
IF, I was offended, the dude apologized. so STFU and move on. I thought is was funny as hell myself. I know all your friends IRL don't need any enemies with folks like you around. Quoting self to add to the irrelevant fray.
And again since so much other irrelevant posting is underway. |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
478
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:10:00 -
[2376] - Quote
Steve Celeste wrote:Kony for CSM chair, he can't be much worse than this mittens guy.
Well, they both seem to be overlords of a group of armed children...
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1298
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:10:00 -
[2377] - Quote
Andski wrote:de4deye wrote:Resignation is the only option. we get it you don't want your poor little titan nerfed
If ever we wanted proof that mittens is CSM chair so goons can lobby for titan nerfs and throw their anti capital sentiment in the pool of CCP ideas for future game expansions... there it is.
Save the supers! Ban mittens! Exile the swarm!
Do it for the bitter demi-vets!
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Prince Kobol
396
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:11:00 -
[2378] - Quote
You know the goons are right.. What the Mittani said did not break the EULA/TOS at all,, that is why CCP put out this statement
"I want to reassure you that CCP in no way condones the harassment of players, especially those who suffer from depression or suicidal thoughts, as we understand the possible consequences of such abhorrent behaviour," CCP public relations and social media specialist Ned Coker said.
"Our Terms of Service (TOS), which can be found here, mirror our company's stance on this matter.
"While the content of online interactions between players cannot realistically be gated within our game worlds, we do take very seriously accusations of such behaviour between our players.
"Furthermore, we have a suicide hotline protocol which has, in specific cases, made a difference for several unfortunately troubled players. We appreciate you voicing your concerns on this level, and CCP will be very vigilant in monitoring any behaviour directed towards the individual named in the presentation.
"We are undertaking a full internal review of this panel as well as the process used for vetting the panel's materials. Even though this panel was billed as unfiltered by CCP, we expect public presentations to be courteous and professional towards others."
Also he was at an Alliance Panel meeting that is why in he is referred to a CSM Council Member and CSM Chairman in the numerous news articles.
So with that we can quite clearly see that him being the CSM Chairman is not an issue. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:12:00 -
[2379] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:
I'll quote my total lack of qualifications and provide absolutely no documentation of such as soon as Alex provides proof to some ******* on the internet that meets my standards for what I deem as PROPER NETIQUETTE
FTFY, so it sounds like it reads to the common reader. "I DO WHAT I WANT. WHATEVA! WHATEVA! " Mittens isn't stating legal precedents, he's apologizing. You on the other hand have rolled about in this thread like you're motherfucking Matlock or something.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
278
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:12:00 -
[2380] - Quote
L00B wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Florio wrote: But fanfest events showed that Alex Gianturco does not have the qualities that CCP must demand for an out-of-game CSM position: his behaviour was unacceptable and his ingame achievements (or number of fans) should not excuse him. What the fu ck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online. You should read the rules of running for CSM mate. Thanks for admitting he dosent represent the players though. So you missed the part where it was the ALLIANCE presentations? Shocking that something missed your laser intellect and complete understanding of events. Since you think the panel was a CSM thing, let's just hammer a bit here, smash that bit in there... ahh! That's better, now reality suits your version of events!
So he is not the chair of the CSM just because he was on an alliance panel?
He is a CSM chair 24/7, he was a CSM chair while on the alliance panel.
He just also happens to be an Alliance leader.
Not the other way around.
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Prince Kobol
396
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:13:00 -
[2381] - Quote
L00B wrote:Princess Bride wrote:
I'll quote my total lack of qualifications and provide absolutely no documentation of such as soon as Alex provides proof to some ******* on the internet that meets my standards for what I deem as PROPER NETIQUETTE
FTFY, so it sounds like it reads to the common reader. "I DO WHAT I WANT. WHATEVA! WHATEVA! " Mittens isn't stating legal precedents, he's apologizing. You on the other hand have rolled about in this thread like you're motherfucking Matlock or something.
Apologising, but a goon just said that he will be laughing about it in a few days.. so does that mean his apology is not real, or that it doesn't really mean anything?
I'm confused? |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
960
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:14:00 -
[2382] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote: And now we get down to brass tacks with you being honest for once. Glad we could get your true colors out there.
Whatever helps you sleep at night m8. I think the part that really bothers you is you signed on to follow a cross between Mussolini and Machiavelli and ended up following David Hasselhoff.
Never stop posting crap Toilets Princess.
Now tell us all about your new blog where you ask CCP to do something about all those nerds sending threat mails and videos with personal information on the Mittani.
Yeah, the lack of objectivity and imparitallity you are showing to everyone that already noticed how bad you are at trying to repport watever.
Move on parrot. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
127
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:14:00 -
[2383] - Quote
:bandwagon: harder. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
278
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:15:00 -
[2384] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:RougeOperator wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:stuff Do you believe that what Alex did was reprehensible and unacceptable, or not? Still waiting on your answer. Dodging the question much? You don't read. That's nice. Since you can't bother reading things you seem to want to argue about I'll repeat myself. I, personally, do not find his statements out of line to the extent that he has been accused of. Is it proper to incite another person to actual suicide? No. I agree with The Mittani on that point. However, you take that and run with it to your own ends. You keep trying to refocus this away from your own motivations for blowing this out of proportion. Don't worry sweetcakes, everyone with basic reading skills already knows that you have an axe to grind. You've already said as much yourself. This isn't about the person he made the joke about, its that you found something to get offended about and because you were offended by it he has to be punished. I hate to break it to you, but the world doesn't stop on a dime for things you want to get offended about. He did something worse he painted a giant target on another players back in and IRL venue. Unless you can 100% account for the actions for every person that might have taken up the charge to drive a person to death knowing it was just a joke. You cannot in good conscious stand behind what the Alex did. He himself might know there is a limit, but what about the 1000s that might have taken up his charge? He put another persons life on the line, he put another persons life in jeopardy. Its not a game anymore, its not a joke. This is why what he did is beyond messed up and evil and sets a terrible standard. He needs to step down from the CSM. You goons need to step back from this ASAP. You are only making it a 1000 times worse then it had to be. This post is so painfully self-referential that I just have to help you see it. By your logic, the act of sending people out to shoot internet spaceships is bad and a terrible idea because one of them might be suicidal and therefore, if they do commit suicide over you shooting their ship, you and everyone who imitated the idea of shooting those ships is responsible for that suicide. You live in a rather terrifying world where everything is everyone's fault huh? Again, you're joining a lynch mob to turn a victim-less crime into some sort of world-ending event. Your compatriots have admitted as much. The only person who could have a right to complain about this as having been victimized by these events DOES NOT CARE. Not one iota. So, because they don't want to carry a pointless cross you take it up yourself and set about to crucify the person you don't like. You pubbie alt corp posters need to step back from this ASAP. You are only making it a 1000 times worse then it had to be.
Only one trying to lynch and murder people is Alex at fanfest. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:17:00 -
[2385] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:
Now tell us all about your new blog where you ask CCP to do something about all those nerds sending threat mails and videos with personal information on the Mittani.
Yeah, the lack of objectivity and imparitallity you are showing to everyone that already noticed how bad you are at trying to repport watever.
Move on parrot.
You mean to tell me our own Peanut Butter is trying to pimp out her own blog mouthpiece like Jade is trying to pimp out his podcasts for INTERNET FAME and ADVERTISING DOLLARS? Say it ain't so! I can barely believe it!
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
183
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:18:00 -
[2386] - Quote
Eidric wrote:I think my post will get buried fast in this avalanche but here are my 2 cents:
- Did i vote for him - No
- Did he screw up during alliance panel - Yes
- Does he need to somehow fix his mistakes - Yes
- Does he need to leave the chairman position - No
Frankly leaving CSM he would undermine the trust of thousand of people voting for him. Get him apologize to The Wis - in such a way so Wis would actually post on forums and says all is forgiven. But do not let him leave CSM.
While i do not condone many of his policies i am perfectly fine with him as chairman.
Most of the people yelling "Resign!" say it not because they think this would somehow make situation resolve itself. They yell it because it fits their own needs. They care about "The Wis" as much as general public does if not less. Because for them "The Wis" is not a person its a tool to get Mittani off the CSM.
Not empty quoting.
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 19:18:00 -
[2387] - Quote
L00B wrote:Princess Bride wrote:
I'll quote my total lack of qualifications and provide absolutely no documentation of such as soon as Alex provides proof to some ******* on the internet that meets my standards for what I deem as PROPER NETIQUETTE
FTFY, so it sounds like it reads to the common reader. "I DO WHAT I WANT. WHATEVA! WHATEVA! " Mittens isn't stating legal precedents, he's apologizing. You on the other hand have rolled about in this thread like you're motherfucking Matlock or something.
Well, I know you guys have a pocket "linguist" you like to pull out of the box when you get into a verbal jam. I've also heard Alex referred to many times as a lawyer (even though everyone is pretty sure he's not). You goons don't have a single JD among you to step in and disprove my assertion? Not one, out of the holy 10,048 number? I think it's far more likely that there are plenty of lawyers floating around but they know perfectly well that I'm right. Or if Alex is really a lawyer, let him show up and argue against what I've said. Oh wait... http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:19:00 -
[2388] - Quote
Eidric wrote:I think my post will get buried fast in this avalanche but here are my 2 cents:
- Did i vote for him - No
- Did he screw up during alliance panel - Yes
- Does he need to somehow fix his mistakes - Yes
- Does he need to leave the chairman position - No
Frankly leaving CSM he would undermine the trust of thousand of people voting for him. Get him apologize to The Wis - in such a way so Wis would actually post on forums and says all is forgiven. But do not let him leave CSM.
While i do not condone many of his policies i am perfectly fine with him as chairman.
Most of the people yelling "Resign!" say it not because they think this would somehow make situation resolve itself. They yell it because it fits their own needs. They care about "The Wis" as much as general public does if not less. Because for them "The Wis" is not a person its a tool to get Mittani off the CSM.
i bet a few billions of isk could sway The Wis to put up a generous communique It would be even more funny if there is a counter offer from another party for not so generous communique Maybe its time for all those anti mittani alliances to start opening up their wallet to The Wis |
Inovy Dacella
Proper Villains
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:19:00 -
[2389] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Florio wrote: But fanfest events showed that Alex Gianturco does not have the qualities that CCP must demand for an out-of-game CSM position: his behaviour was unacceptable and his ingame achievements (or number of fans) should not excuse him. What the fu ck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online. And since when does CCP demand that CSMs have certain qualities aside from being over 18 and willing to give out their real name? Magnus Orin, you just made the dumbest comment possible! You are doing more damage to your beloved leader than you can comprehend. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:21:00 -
[2390] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:L00B wrote:Princess Bride wrote:
I'll quote my total lack of qualifications and provide absolutely no documentation of such as soon as Alex provides proof to some ******* on the internet that meets my standards for what I deem as PROPER NETIQUETTE
FTFY, so it sounds like it reads to the common reader. "I DO WHAT I WANT. WHATEVA! WHATEVA! " Mittens isn't stating legal precedents, he's apologizing. You on the other hand have rolled about in this thread like you're motherfucking Matlock or something. Well, I know you guys have a pocket "linguist" you like to pull out of the box when you get into a verbal jam. I've also heard Alex referred to many times as a lawyer (even though everyone is pretty sure he's not). You goons don't have a single JD among you to step in and disprove my assertion? Not one, out of the holy 10,048 number? I think it's far more likely that there are plenty of lawyers floating around but they know perfectly well that I'm right. Or if Alex is really a lawyer, let him show up and argue against what I've said. Oh wait...
Please go on about the things you 'know' about goons. I find your vague conspiracy theories much more entertaining than your attention whoring. |
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Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:21:00 -
[2391] - Quote
We do not need your apology. It seems that all you want is to regain your honour with the community since you're the CSM Chairman.
Instead, send a private message to the player you abused asking for forgiveness, and let he decide.
It would be more correct. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:22:00 -
[2392] - Quote
Given that mittens has admitted a lapse in judgment and done the honourable thing by apologizing, should the Goons consider acting in the same vein by asking him to quit all his roles in their organization? |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:22:00 -
[2393] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:L00B wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Florio wrote: But fanfest events showed that Alex Gianturco does not have the qualities that CCP must demand for an out-of-game CSM position: his behaviour was unacceptable and his ingame achievements (or number of fans) should not excuse him. What the fu ck does this have to do with anything? He would have been on that stage had he been on the CSM 6 or not. He was there representing Goonswarm Federation, an alliance in the spaceship game Eve Online. You should read the rules of running for CSM mate. Thanks for admitting he dosent represent the players though. So you missed the part where it was the ALLIANCE presentations? Shocking that something missed your laser intellect and complete understanding of events. Since you think the panel was a CSM thing, let's just hammer a bit here, smash that bit in there... ahh! That's better, now reality suits your version of events! So he is not the chair of the CSM just because he was on an alliance panel? He is a CSM chair 24/7, he was a CSM chair while on the alliance panel. He just also happens to be an Alliance leader. Not the other way around.
Oh god.... this is not real-world politics. He is an elected spaceship dude that gets to talk to CCP about ideas to make this space ship game better from time to time.
He's not a fucking Congressman. He's not a fucking Member of a Parliament. He's a dude who likes to blow up other people space ships in a video game and be an ass about it. I think a good percentage of the population fall into that category.
Put your goddamn noose down. |
Mr Celsius
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:22:00 -
[2394] - Quote
xXv1c10usXx wrote:xXv1c10usXx wrote:You know what. All this pubbie B*** S*** is entirely too funny. You complain and gripe about an aspect of the game that is prevalent and real in the arena of play. If such an environment did not exist, then Empire space would be completely safe, no pirates would exist and no conflict would exist in game. Guess what, even the presentations were a reflection of the gaming community, NOT the players real life, even though real people were present.
GET OVER YOURSELF already. Holy Sh!7!!!! Crawl back in to your hole and go play ANGRY BIRDS and take your frustrations on on something where no-one loses except you and your whiny ass, disillusioned pansies that you associate with.
IF, I was offended, the dude apologized. so STFU and move on. I thought is was funny as hell myself. I know all your friends IRL don't need any enemies with folks like you around. Quoting self to add to the irrelevant fray.
Quoting you for a third time just to prove nobody cares what crap ejaculates from your feed hole. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
240
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:23:00 -
[2395] - Quote
Eidric wrote:I think my post will get buried fast in this avalanche but here are my 2 cents:
- Did i vote for him - No
- Did he screw up during alliance panel - Yes
- Does he need to somehow fix his mistakes - Yes
- Does he need to leave the chairman position - No
Frankly leaving CSM he would undermine the trust of thousand of people voting for him. Get him apologize to The Wis - in such a way so Wis would actually post on forums and says all is forgiven. But do not let him leave CSM.
While i do not condone many of his policies i am perfectly fine with him as chairman.
Most of the people yelling "Resign!" say it not because they think this would somehow make situation resolve itself. They yell it because it fits their own needs. They care about "The Wis" as much as general public does if not less. Because for them "The Wis" is not a person its a tool to get Mittani off the CSM.
- Does his apology somehow fix his mistakes? - No http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
stoicfaux
846
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:24:00 -
[2396] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote: This is not real world politics. This is a fucking video game.
/facepalm
Since when are real world politics not allowed in a video game? Whenever you have three or more people doing something together, you have politics. Heck, this "video game" even has huge RMT operation(s) in the real world.
"Real world politics" kicked in hard when the scandal was streamed publicly to the world and when the story hit the various gaming news sites. 10,058 votes out of 59,109 votes cast out of 355,436 eligible Eve voters out of millions of MMO gamers isn't that impressive in the context of public opinion. To add further insignificance to the 10,058 vote "mandate", there are "super-voters" who vote with millions of dollars, namely CCP business managers (Eve, Dust, WoD,) potentially Sony business managers (needed for Dust,) and CCP's lawyers. Never mind the potential of politicians, activist groups and the mainstream media getting involved, all of whom can easily trump a 10,058 vote "mandate."
Mittani has (inadvertently) gone from "destroying *your* game" to "destroying *the* game." The rank and file seriously need to get behind Mittani's apology and try to generate some public *out of game* good will instead of further inflaming people against Mittani and the Goons in general with bad spam posting.
Finally, the bad boys and girls of Eve created enemies, enemies who probably took advantage of a couple of PR slip-ups to take down Mittani. Big deal. The Goons will still exist. You don't need a Goon CSM Chair to stir up trouble in the sandbox. Taking a year off from the CSM isn't going to cause the downfall of the Goons.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:24:00 -
[2397] - Quote
Mr Celsius wrote:
Quoting you for a third time just to prove nobody cares what crap ejaculates from your feed hole.
I think you have your holes mixed up. Don't worry, it could happen to anyone!
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:25:00 -
[2398] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Kara Roideater wrote: I don't think 'conversely' is the word you're after. The precise point is we don't know what will happen, which means such actions are a gamble with someone's well-being. I don't think 'internal consistency' is really the phrase you need either since you haven't pointed out any inconsistency but do please continue to throw arbitrary words and phrases into sentences. You know, monkeys and typewriters and all that ... you might put together something sensible somewhere down the line by accident.
My point was we shouldn't be completely paralyzed into inaction because someone might be upset enough at something we do to kill themselves. Should we remove non-consentual pvp from Eve in case it upsets someone? What about scams? What if someone builds their entire sense of self worth around a terrible idea they post in features and ideas (its a trick question, all F&I posts are terrible)? Should we not be allowed to criticize it because they might kill themselves? Suicide is tragic and encouraging someone to kill themselves is also bad but in this case there was no suicide and if people keep sensationalizing things CCP will be forced by the public outcries of people who will never play Eve to make it a lesser game.
None of your examples parallel what the Mittani did. He didn't engage in non-consensual pvp, or scam someone or just criticise someone. In all those circumstances it might well be reasonable to claim that such actions, which constitute integral parts of the game, shouldn't be constrained by someone's claims about their health, especially if those claims are directed at stopping parts of the legitimate action of the game. What he did was stand up in public, out of the game, as an influential figure in the eve community and mock someone for their claims about their real life mental state before giving out that person's name and then encouraging other people to pursue him, explicitly in the context of his self-identification as someone who had considered taking his own life and with the implication that such actions might cause him to do so. That is not an integral part of the game and preventing such actions in future would have no negative effect on game-play. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
243
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:31:00 -
[2399] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote: And now we get down to brass tacks with you being honest for once. Glad we could get your true colors out there.
Whatever helps you sleep at night m8. I think the part that really bothers you is you signed on to follow a cross between Mussolini and Machiavelli and ended up following David Hasselhoff. The Mittani is the real victim here. You are biased.
all i see in your posts is GÇÿa bloo bloo blooGÇÖ, my computer must be screwing up again~ http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Murrior
La Blue Girl KUGUTSUMEN.
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:31:00 -
[2400] - Quote
I've put on some weight lately. Not in any digusting amount, but it does annoy me.
The weather is getting better finally and while I enjoy winter as much as the rest of the seasons, I've had enough of it this year. Spring is finally here and that makes me feel better. |
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DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
94
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:33:00 -
[2401] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Mittens deliberatly cultivated a position as the public face of the eve player base in the gaming press. He wanted a profile to fit his ego so whored himself to everybody and anybody last year as the public face of us as players because of his position in the CSM. He cant have it both ways he got his face in the forums of the wider gaming press and enjoyed the attention it gave him. He wanted to be the public face of us players, he wanted the proffile, he wanted to be seen as an ubercool spaceship politician. Well now the chickens have come home to roost he has to take the fall.
Find me one quote from him where he says he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
You can't?
It's because he didn't. He's clearly said he stands for his constituents. Those people who specifically voted for him. Quit making **** up.
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L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:34:00 -
[2402] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.
Try actually reading my posts.
Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet.
In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit. |
Alexia Canada
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:42:00 -
[2403] - Quote
Metal Dude wrote:The real questions is why is anyone suppressed that the leader, who publicly and privately encourages and even demands the retards under his command to constantly mock people in game and real life would behave differently if there are no reproductions for doing so? CCP is to blame here once again for allowing it for so long. CCP deserves to be ridiculed in every gaming magazine for allowing this idiot to be selected representing the player based and bending over at his every demand. Serves you ******* right. Until CCP starts acting like it cares about itGÇÖs players, all this public talk and apologies and concerns for its player base is just ******* joke. Actions speak louder than words and CCP has no balls or morals to take any action against the tool that has been doing this kind of **** for years without even a slap on the wrist.
Show me on the doll where the chairman touched your titan. |
Prince Kobol
398
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:42:00 -
[2404] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:DaiTengu wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Mittens deliberatly cultivated a position as the public face of the eve player base in the gaming press. He wanted a profile to fit his ego so whored himself to everybody and anybody last year as the public face of us as players because of his position in the CSM. He cant have it both ways he got his face in the forums of the wider gaming press and enjoyed the attention it gave him. He wanted to be the public face of us players, he wanted the proffile, he wanted to be seen as an ubercool spaceship politician. Well now the chickens have come home to roost he has to take the fall. Find me one quote from him where he says he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY. Go ahead, I'll wait. You can't? It's because he didn't. He's clearly said he stands for his constituents. Those people who specifically voted for him. Quit making **** up. Yeah.. the second external Internet Sites reported him as being a CSM Council Member and CSM Chairman he stands for the Eve Community. Who he stands for on the Eve Forums doesn't mean **** in this case. Who cares what the nerd media is inaccurately reporting. People are talking about an Eve 'scandal' on the interwebs, that will bring in subscriptions no matter what they say.
CCP Care, The people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP, CCP Official Sponsors.
Of course you are right, nothing like having your product advertised with winning headlines like
"CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player"
Especially with the media loving blaming Computer Games for everything from rioting to running around and shooting your fellow classmates dead, let alone the current fever surrounding Cyber Bullying..
I bet CCP are loving this attention |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3626
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:42:00 -
[2405] - Quote
Alexia Canada wrote:Metal Dude wrote:The real questions is why is anyone suppressed that the leader, who publicly and privately encourages and even demands the retards under his command to constantly mock people in game and real life would behave differently if there are no reproductions for doing so? CCP is to blame here once again for allowing it for so long. CCP deserves to be ridiculed in every gaming magazine for allowing this idiot to be selected representing the player based and bending over at his every demand. Serves you ******* right. Until CCP starts acting like it cares about itGÇÖs players, all this public talk and apologies and concerns for its player base is just ******* joke. Actions speak louder than words and CCP has no balls or morals to take any action against the tool that has been doing this kind of **** for years without even a slap on the wrist.
Show me on the doll where the chairman touched your titan.
this never gets old "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kairos Antilles
United Systems Nautical Service
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:43:00 -
[2406] - Quote
I have neither the time nor the inclination to read all (as of now) 116 pages of this thread, but in the many that I have read, not once have I seen anyone within GoonSwarm Federation break ranks on this topic, backing their CEO to the bitter end.
I find that to be either statistically amazing, or a testament to the collective hive mind they possess. Which is it? |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:43:00 -
[2407] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Tamir Lenk wrote:Princess Bride wrote:
all i see in your posts is GÇÿa bloo bloo blooGÇÖ, my computer must be screwing up again~
PEBKAC Actually, what you quoted was a direct quote from The Mittani.
No ****? Should we act surprised when another pubbie uses one of our memes? This **** happens every day, lady. You ain't painting the Sistine Chapel here... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3626
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:43:00 -
[2408] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:CCP Care, The people who have millions of dollars invested in CCP, CCP Official Sponsors.
Of course you are right, nothing like having your product advertised with winning headlines like
"CCP launches investigation after Eve Online FanFest panel accused of mocking suicidal player"
Especially with the media loving blaming Computer Games for everything from rioting to running around and shooting your fellow classmates dead, let alone the current fever surrounding Cyber Bullying..
I bet CCP are loving this attention
CCP has never gotten negative attention in the media ever "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:43:00 -
[2409] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:L00B wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.
Try actually reading my posts.
Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet. In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit. We have a living breathing example of Alex calling for someone to be harassed to a real life death. Its no longer a hypothetical. EvE is only barley dodging a bullet on this because we caught it before it had real world ramifications. Its real and staring us in the face at this moment.
Harrassed through IN-GAME MEANS. This is a big difference.
Premediatated actions like this occur all the time. They are in fact encouraged by the developers again, and again. Everytime someone steals something, or kills someone, or thinks to themselves (or discuss with other plays outloud) "I'm going to grief the crap out of this player because the tears I get are going to be hilarious" they are playing the game by design.
I can see the arguement where this is was tasteless. I can see the arguement where this was a stupid thing to do while drunk. I can see where this would be inappropriate. And from those arguements I can also see a desire to have Mittens step down.
But this whole OMG HE SHOULD BE BANNED/ ARRESTED/ FLOGGED line of thinking is totally ludacris. Thank CCP for the environment where this is possible, don't blame Mittens/Goons and others from taking advantage of just how open the world is and what is possible inside of it. |
Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
31
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:43:00 -
[2410] - Quote
Ya know something I may have skipped over is how this taints the CSM. I keep getting a pictures of the alliance panel and I hear CSM in my head. Now I know its not the same people but in my weirdly wired head it has become just that. That whole panel is the CSM to me. Now I already knew I didn't want to be a part of the null alliance thing after a half dozen months on an alt there. I tried to stick around but I just couldn't get around that I was letting drunken fools lead me. 6 months, my bad, how stupid, fail etc, ok I agree so I left.
Problem is this CSM transference. Are our CSM as bad as Mittani or the rest of this panel? Is all of eve as bad as these people? I keep thinking I'm with a group of mature men but instead I think I'm in a party of drunken adolescents showing off their pubic hair. all One of them.
Then the next question, its not as loud since their turnaround but, is this CCP? |
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
87
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:44:00 -
[2411] - Quote
Meissa Anunthiel wrote: Circumstances play a role, it's fanfest where goons spend days pretending to be idiots or griefers.
And you think it is ok? You think it is ok for the chair of CSM to participate in that, as long as he does not start by saying he represents the CSM?
Quote:There was also booze involved. Abusing someone while drunk is supposed to be better than abusing them sober?
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:44:00 -
[2412] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:DaiTengu wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Mittens deliberatly cultivated a position as the public face of the eve player base in the gaming press. He wanted a profile to fit his ego so whored himself to everybody and anybody last year as the public face of us as players because of his position in the CSM. He cant have it both ways he got his face in the forums of the wider gaming press and enjoyed the attention it gave him. He wanted to be the public face of us players, he wanted the proffile, he wanted to be seen as an ubercool spaceship politician. Well now the chickens have come home to roost he has to take the fall. Find me one quote from him where he says he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY. Go ahead, I'll wait. You can't? It's because he didn't. He's clearly said he stands for his constituents. Those people who specifically voted for him. Quit making **** up. "Gianturco exclaims that this was for the benefit of the average EVE player. -½The media storm made CCP see things from the players' perspective. We are really satisfied with what came out of these turmoils, and the average player in EVE Online will also feel the impact this had on CCP's priorities." Clearly he feels he represents the "average eve player" awwwww do you feel betrayed the mittens has been unfaithful to the swarm and has been trying to do things for the whole community?
He's talking about the csm as a whole, you illiterate hobo. |
Tamir Lenk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:45:00 -
[2413] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Tamir Lenk wrote:Princess Bride wrote:
all i see in your posts is GÇÿa bloo bloo blooGÇÖ, my computer must be screwing up again~
PEBKAC Actually, what you quoted was a direct quote from The Mittani. So yeah, you're right. A problem does exist between his keyboard and his chair. We're working on it.
Odd. You did not use quotes or cite the source of your posts. Thanks for the admission of plagiarism and infringement though.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
285
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:49:00 -
[2414] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:DaiTengu wrote:
At that point it should have been done with after a simple apology, But no, politics came into play.
Goons complaining about the use of politics?
Yeah im sure the hilarity of this is wasted on them. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
106
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:49:00 -
[2415] - Quote
Muestereate wrote:Ya know something I may have skipped over is how this taints the CSM. I keep getting a pictures of the alliance panel and I hear CSM in my head. Now I know its not the same people but in my weirdly wired head it has become just that. That whole panel is the CSM to me. Now I already knew I didn't want to be a part of the null alliance thing after a half dozen months on an alt there. I tried to stick around but I just couldn't get around that I was letting drunken fools lead me. 6 months, my bad, how stupid, fail etc, ok I agree so I left.
Problem is this CSM transference. Are our CSM as bad as Mittani or the rest of this panel? Is all of eve as bad as these people? I keep thinking I'm with a group of mature men but instead I think I'm in a party of drunken adolescents showing off their pubic hair. all One of them.
Then the next question, its not as loud since their turnaround but, is this CCP?
This just shows how ignorant and incapable of critical thinking you are. Roll with it, the world is full of idiots like you. |
DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:49:00 -
[2416] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:DaiTengu wrote:
At that point it should have been done with after a simple apology, But no, politics came into play.
Goons complaining about the use of politics?
And of course someone quotes the trivial portion of my post and runs with it.
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DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:50:00 -
[2417] - Quote
Andski wrote:DaiTengu wrote:It's been brought up before and not sufficiently answered.
Why did it take 3 days for this to blow up?
They waited for him to be announced as CSM chair.
I don't think that was it. |
Prince Kobol
400
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:51:00 -
[2418] - Quote
DaiTengu wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:DaiTengu wrote:
At that point it should have been done with after a simple apology, But no, politics came into play.
Goons complaining about the use of politics? And of course someone quotes the trivial portion of my post and runs with it.
Just following the Goons lead and you know why, it because
WE LOVE YOU
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L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:51:00 -
[2419] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:L00B wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.
Try actually reading my posts.
Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet. In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit. In other words, if you were in charge of CCP's legal dept, you would wait until we have an actual dead body before taking any sort of unnecessary and irreversible action...like a ban or a banishment from CSM. You know you're probably right. I'm sure their legal department is advising they wait until there's a DB before doing anything. No DB no foul right?
There you go with that Matlock bullshit again.... HEY GUYS THAT TURKEY IS A CHICKEN CUZ I ******* TOLD YOUR ASS IT WAS A CHICKEN YOU STUPID INGRATE I'LL SUE YOUR ASS FOR FALSE ADVERTISEMENT.
The only thing worse than a lawyer is an internet lawyer. Yep, I ******* said it. What of it? Oh, you thought we were all suckups without spines. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:51:00 -
[2420] - Quote
Ayeson wrote:Kilikas Avoridian wrote:HEY MITTONS I HAVE IDEA
IF YOU GET REMOVED FROM CHAIR YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF
THAT WILL TEACH CCP FOR USING SOCCER MOMS TO MEDIATE INTERNET SPACE SHIPS If mittens off's himself i'm with him, mass suicides!
speak for yourself. no thanks. i like my life just the way it is |
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Jessy Berbers
Tribuo Quod Victum The AirShip Pirates
5
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:52:00 -
[2421] - Quote
Ok mittens, your apology is not accepted by me. Your behavior was totally and utterly un-acceptable.
I am with those who demand you step down from the CSM, but i also want to see the following actions, and in this i am mild.
Remove yourself from the game, or simply delete your charachter/charachters! all of them and start from the scratch, start from 0000.0000.000.
And next to that rename Goonswarm to completely something else, this is to delete your shameful behavior.
You must be let of with a prayer as you so eloquently put it, with praying your whole alliance wasnt dismantled by CCP. and your MAC/and IP banned for life.
Such is my thought on this issue.
Greets
Jessy. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
245
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:53:00 -
[2422] - Quote
Tamir Lenk wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Tamir Lenk wrote:Princess Bride wrote:
all i see in your posts is GÇÿa bloo bloo blooGÇÖ, my computer must be screwing up again~
PEBKAC Actually, what you quoted was a direct quote from The Mittani. So yeah, you're right. A problem does exist between his keyboard and his chair. We're working on it. Odd. You did not use quotes or cite the source of your posts. Thanks for the admission of plagiarism and infringement though.
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA!!! *breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAA!! *deeper breath*
You got me officer Lenk. *presents hands for cuffs* I sure hope I get out in time to see my grandkids college graduation. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:53:00 -
[2423] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:L00B wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.
Try actually reading my posts.
Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet. In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit. In other words, if you were in charge of CCP's legal dept, you would wait until we have an actual dead body before taking any sort of unnecessary and irreversible action...like a ban or a banishment from CSM. You know you're probably right. I'm sure their legal department is advising they wait until there's a DB before doing anything. No DB no foul right?
Holy ****, you're stupid. You should probably stop posting. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:54:00 -
[2424] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:L00B wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.
Try actually reading my posts.
Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet. In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit. In other words, if you were in charge of CCP's legal dept, you would wait until we have an actual dead body before taking any sort of unnecessary and irreversible action...like a ban or a banishment from CSM. You know you're probably right. I'm sure their legal department is advising they wait until there's a DB before doing anything. No DB no foul right?
I change my mind, you really are dumber than Jade or Darius III. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
245
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:54:00 -
[2425] - Quote
L00B wrote:Princess Bride wrote:L00B wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.
Try actually reading my posts.
Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet. In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit. In other words, if you were in charge of CCP's legal dept, you would wait until we have an actual dead body before taking any sort of unnecessary and irreversible action...like a ban or a banishment from CSM. You know you're probably right. I'm sure their legal department is advising they wait until there's a DB before doing anything. No DB no foul right? There you go with that Matlock bullshit again.... HEY GUYS THAT TURKEY IS A CHICKEN CUZ I ******* TOLD YOUR ASS IT WAS A CHICKEN YOU STUPID INGRATE I'LL SUE YOUR ASS FOR FALSE ADVERTISEMENT. The only thing worse than a lawyer is an internet lawyer. Yep, I ******* said it. What of it? Oh, you thought we were all suckups without spines.
What? I don't even...
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1320
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Posted - 2012.03.27 19:55:00 -
[2426] - Quote
I'm back (to a degree), what did I miss?
Let me guess...
More internet lawyering. More people who haven't bothered to watch the video but insist on expressing their point of view. More assertions of moral outrage at a drunken joke. More people who haven't bothered to read the OP. More people who don't know he is in the process of stepping down as chairman. More people who believe The Wis actually commited suicide. More people who actually think harassment of The Wis took place. More people who are unaware that Mittani and The Wis have already worked things out as adults. More people trolling because they have a personal axe to grind. Even more internet lawyering, despite no crime or any actions justifying a lawsuit being reported. More accusations of CCP favoritism. More ignoring of the jest The Wis made about his "wish for death" in his original EVE Mail. More ignoring of the fact that The Wis has denied any wrongful act by Mittani or others acting on his behalf. Yet even more internet lawyering, based on what ifs and straw man arguments. More accusations of Cyber Bullying of a 30 something divorced man with no evidence of mental instability or emotional imbalance... despite the fact that nothing of the sort has actually happened according to the supposed victim.
Did I miss anything new?
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1368
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:00:00 -
[2427] - Quote
Almost there guys! The apology thread is almost caught up to the resignation thread! Just one more page to go! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3627
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:00:00 -
[2428] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:L00B wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.
Try actually reading my posts.
Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet. In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit. In other words, if you were in charge of CCP's legal dept, you would wait until we have an actual dead body before taking any sort of unnecessary and irreversible action...like a ban or a banishment from CSM. You know you're probably right. I'm sure their legal department is advising they wait until there's a DB before doing anything. No DB no foul right?
I'm just going to assume you're full of crap.
Literally any lawsuit that lands on CCP's doorstep regarding "wrongful death" and ends against their favor would be attributable to the failures of the legal system, not some non-event like this. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Bane Necran
174
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:01:00 -
[2429] - Quote
I think my favorite thing about this thread is how goons went from being smug and dismissive to very mad.
They've manipulated crowds to do their bidding before, but now the beast has turned on them, and they're utterly powerless before it. How upsetting that must be. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
106
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:01:00 -
[2430] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Almost there guys! The apology thread is almost caught up to the resignation thread! Just one more page to go!
This is literally the only reason I am posting in this thread. |
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Shade Severii
Satan's Escorts MIDGET CHUCKERS
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:01:00 -
[2431] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:I'm back (to a degree), what did I miss?
Let me guess...
More internet lawyering. More people who haven't bothered to watch the video but insist on expressing their point of view. More assertions of moral outrage at a drunken joke. More people who haven't bothered to read the OP. More people who don't know he is in the process of stepping down as chairman. More people who believe The Wis actually commited suicide. More people who actually think harassment of The Wis took place. More people who are unaware that Mittani and The Wis have already worked things out as adults. More people trolling because they have a personal axe to grind. Even more internet lawyering, despite no crime or any actions justifying a lawsuit being reported. More accusations of CCP favoritism. More ignoring of the jest The Wis made about his "wish for death" in his original EVE Mail. More ignoring of the fact that The Wis has denied any wrongful act by Mittani or others acting on his behalf. Yet even more internet lawyering, based on what ifs and straw man arguments. More accusations of Cyber Bullying of a 30 something divorced man with no evidence of mental instability or emotional imbalance... despite the fact that nothing of the sort has actually happened according to the supposed victim.
Did I miss anything new?
why did you bother writing any of this
It was painfully obvious 1000 posts ago that people don't give a **** about what is ACTUALLY happening
edit - sorry 2300 posts agoo |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:01:00 -
[2432] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:DaiTengu wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Mittens deliberatly cultivated a position as the public face of the eve player base in the gaming press. He wanted a profile to fit his ego so whored himself to everybody and anybody last year as the public face of us as players because of his position in the CSM. He cant have it both ways he got his face in the forums of the wider gaming press and enjoyed the attention it gave him. He wanted to be the public face of us players, he wanted the proffile, he wanted to be seen as an ubercool spaceship politician. Well now the chickens have come home to roost he has to take the fall. Find me one quote from him where he says he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY. Go ahead, I'll wait. You can't? It's because he didn't. He's clearly said he stands for his constituents. Those people who specifically voted for him. Quit making **** up. "Gianturco exclaims that this was for the benefit of the average EVE player. -½The media storm made CCP see things from the players' perspective. We are really satisfied with what came out of these turmoils, and the average player in EVE Online will also feel the impact this had on CCP's priorities." Clearly he feels he represents the "average eve player" awwwww do you feel betrayed the mittens has been unfaithful to the swarm and has been trying to do things for the whole community? He's talking about the csm as a whole, you illiterate hobo. The CSM of which he is chairman or is comprehension beyond you. Since you cant understand the implication of that quote her is another one from Mittens where the goons dont even get a mention. "As CSM Chair, I offer sound guidance and guardianship of that power; I'm one of the first to truly wield it effectively. I'm here to protect the nullsec population against the existential danger of allowing an ignorant hiseccer and Greyscale to get together and talk about jump bridges. I'm here to keep the focus of the game on spaceships instead of a testbed for WoD or a venue for more pants. It's a guardianship." Yes its a guardianship and he has failed in his role. At least he has aplogised and intimated he will be resigning. YOu however are defending the indefensible. What I find most amusing is you think he represents the goons? He represents himself the goons are merely a tool for him to get the publicity his ego needs. THe goons are the fat girlfriend left at home whilst mittens goes out clubbing with the pretty babes in the gaming press. If I were a goon I would feel used and a bit dirty.
Actually, in his role as a CSM he did exactly what he said he'd do, and if he were to stay on this term (which I doubt, but that is by the by) he'd do the exact same thing. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:02:00 -
[2433] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:I'm back (to a degree), what did I miss?
Let me guess...
More internet lawyering. More people who haven't bothered to watch the video but insist on expressing their point of view. More assertions of moral outrage at a drunken joke. More people who haven't bothered to read the OP. More people who don't know he is in the process of stepping down as chairman. More people who believe The Wis actually commited suicide. More people who actually think harassment of The Wis took place. More people who are unaware that Mittani and The Wis have already worked things out as adults. More people trolling because they have a personal axe to grind. Even more internet lawyering, despite no crime or any actions justifying a lawsuit being reported. More accusations of CCP favoritism. More ignoring of the jest The Wis made about his "wish for death" in his original EVE Mail. More ignoring of the fact that The Wis has denied any wrongful act by Mittani or others acting on his behalf. Yet even more internet lawyering, based on what ifs and straw man arguments. More accusations of Cyber Bullying of a 30 something divorced man with no evidence of mental instability or emotional imbalance... despite the fact that nothing of the sort has actually happened according to the supposed victim.
Did I miss anything new?
E-drama Who's going to write a book about this? - I can see the title already "I wasn't there"
ROFL |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:02:00 -
[2434] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:I think my favorite thing about this thread is how goons went from being smug and dismissive to very mad.
They've manipulated crowds to do their bidding before, but now the beast has turned on them, and they're utterly powerless before it. How upsetting that must be.
It's so cute that you think that. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:03:00 -
[2435] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:
Oh god.... this is not real-world politics. He is an elected spaceship dude that gets to talk to CCP about ideas to make this space ship game better from time to time.
He's not a fucking Congressman. He's not a fucking Member of a Parliament. He's a dude who likes to blow up other people space ships in a video game and be an ass about it. I think a good percentage of the population fall into that category.
Put your goddamn noose down.
Then it shouldn't be a big deal for him to step down. Are you doing this for the 'victim' or are you doing this because you hate The Mittani?
False dilemma. There are more options than this. I believe you know that so I won't list them for you but if you don't, then just read the thread. |
Ai Shun
425
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:03:00 -
[2436] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:The amount of hate and verbal abuse thrown at The Mittani and Goons in general makes this entire community absolutely reek of hypocrisy.
It seems about equal to what the Goons dish out on a regular basis. I don't mind that, but to ***** about it as a Goon is a tad rich.
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Garadjanalhavar Arareb
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:04:00 -
[2437] - Quote
DaiTengu wrote:It's been brought up before and not sufficiently answered. Why did it take 3 days for this to blow up? Immediately after the alliance panel threads like this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85068popped up all over the forums wondering why CCP allowed such cursing. Thousands of people watched the Alliance panel and saw The Mittani say these admittedly bad things as they happened, but no one said anything until 3 days later. Instead they were more upset that he, and others, used the F-bomb too many times for their delicate sensibilities. It took days for anyone to contact the affected miner and ask him what he thought, The chatlog from that conversation is readily available in this thread (and other places). The guy had no idea and really didn't seem to care. At that point it should have been done with after a simple apology, But no, politics came into play. Now those who didn't vote for Mittani, never would have voted for him, and actively campaigned against him are fueling the fire. This doesn't excuse what he did, but it's being blown way out of proportion. Each and every one of you has done or said something monumentally stupid in your lives at least once. You were just lucky enough not to have a camera and a microphone nearby when you did it.
+1 'Nuff said right there. |
Jonah Gravenstein
63
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:04:00 -
[2438] - Quote
Fair play to Mittens for actually stepping up and admitting that his out of game asshattery was inappropriate
He stepped over the line, he's admitted that he stepped over the line and apologised for being an arse hole. Now we should let him get on with the job of being CSM chairman, and along with the rest of the CSM get back to pouring cold water on the marketing departments insanity and keeping CCP on track with improving Eve into something better than the rest, because Internet spaceships is serious business. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
246
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:04:00 -
[2439] - Quote
Andski wrote: I'm just going to assume you're full of crap.
Literally any lawsuit that lands on CCP's doorstep regarding "wrongful death" and ends against their favor would be attributable to the failures of the legal system, not some non-event like this.
And what are YOUR legal qualifications to make a sweeping statement like that? Actually don't answer that, since the statement is just disgruntled commentary on the current legal trend against cyber-bullying. Well, whether you like it or not, it is a powerful legal trend at the moment, and it will be taken into consideration when CCP makes their decision. That's obvious from the statement they've already released.
Deal with it.
(Oh wait, since The Mittani said that first, do I need to quote it or include foot notes or something? I'd sure hate to get in trouble for infringement. ) http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Bane Necran
174
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:04:00 -
[2440] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:It's so cute that you think that.
Are you hitting on me? |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:12:00 -
[2441] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Alex needs to HTFU and step down from the CSM like he originally said he would. Not try to weasel out of what he said he would do.
Goons need to HTFU and accept that he needs to step down and stop acting like babies.
Pot, meet kettle. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
120
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:13:00 -
[2442] - Quote
You know, I'm really upset about the nature of the comments in the panel, but am hardly surprised by them. After all, the Eve community dishes out some of the most vile inhuman stuff with "**** cages" being at the low end of the spectrum of what can be said. Some of us are simply shocked that Mittens could have said something like this. But then, we have that this community uses things like "**** cage" to describe warp disrupt bubbles. And, when somebody protests, they're berated with messages of "HTFU."
So I ask, is the Mittani's alliance panel time merely the actions of one person? Or is this a symptom of a larger flaw within the community? Personally, I think it's the later. The community takes great pleasure at being so much less than the best of humanity. To this end, I'd like to point out how the audience was laughing in step with what he had to say about the miner and how he presented it. It' only recently, that there have been calls for his removal/banning. People are seizing upon his vulnerability right now. And there is only one word that can adequately describe this change; Hypocrisy.
Not one week ago, the Jita Park Corner of the forums was packed with threads about the Mittani and how great he is for the CSM and for the community. Now, the front page of the GD is packed with threads calling for his removal and ban. I find it galling that people are choosing now to jump on the "insensitivity towards human weaknesses is bad" bandwagon.
But, perhaps with Mittens, it's something else. Perhaps we have expected him to be better than us by being elected to the C.S.M. As if there were some unwritten social contract that he has to fulfill saying that he can no longer just be one of the community. He must stand apart from us. And Mittens messed up. He has to go, and he has to go right now! Off with his head! He's some how committed a taboo by saying something that gets spat out across comms all over the place. Well, I say enough is enough!
Everybody in the community needs to take a hard look at their own actions before they can call for the Mttani's resignation and/or ban. The only person who has any leg to stand on has already been apologized to publicly and in game. He is the only one who has any right to call for any action for or against the Mittani. I think this was appalling Mittens. I think you should know better! You often call for us to speak to you with a sound and reasonable argument and speak with an air of intelligence. If you really are sorry for your actions, then don't step down. The community needs you to be the chairman of the CSM, even if your character is so much less than the best of humanity.
I would hope you take this inccident and your position in the CSM as an opportunity to role model to the community as to how not to act. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:13:00 -
[2443] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Goons complaining about this being political, Goons complaining about hate and verbal abuse.. some top quality posting
Using the death (real or potential) of an actual human being as political capital in an internet spaceships game was disgusting when BoB did it in 2005 and its disgusting to see people doing it now. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:14:00 -
[2444] - Quote
DaiTengu wrote:It's been brought up before and not sufficiently answered. Why did it take 3 days for this to blow up? Immediately after the alliance panel threads like this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85068popped up all over the forums wondering why CCP allowed such cursing.
Why did it take three days for it to blow up? Easy. It took three days for the video and a transcript of the relevant words to become widely available (at least widely available enough for a non-elite poster such as myself to come across them). Until that point it was merely hearsay for those (many) who didn't watch the live feed.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
289
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:14:00 -
[2445] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Alex needs to HTFU and step down from the CSM like he originally said he would. Not try to weasel out of what he said he would do.
Goons need to HTFU and accept that he needs to step down and stop acting like babies. Pot, meet kettle.
Im not on the CSM.
Are you this intellectually defunct that you cant think straight anymore.
Or is this just normal for you? |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
64
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:15:00 -
[2446] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Alex needs to HTFU and step down from the CSM like he originally said he would. Not try to weasel out of what he said he would do.
Goons need to HTFU and accept that he needs to step down and stop acting like babies. Well it would appear that the current suggestion of some Goons is that he "have his cake and eat it too" by stepping down from his CSM6 position, since technically CSM7 hasn't started yet. "That would actually be a pretty hilarious troll", they say. It's also apparently to "deal with nerds" like myself (they mentioned a post I had made bringing up the fact that he's offered to resign but has yet to do so).
There are far too many loopholes appearing for The Mittani to step through in order to keep his promise of resigning without actually resigning, and I would imagine he's aware of them. I predict that nothing is going to really change in regard to CSM7. |
zufina
Biotronics Inc. The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:15:00 -
[2447] - Quote
I think that was one step to far for a player and more than one for a CSM. He should get kicked from CSM and get a ban as a player for xyz months.. other ppl get banned for saying "*******" to somebody for a few days. For trying to kill a person with cybermobbing cause the option is there a sensible person isn't acceptable! |
Prince Kobol
406
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:15:00 -
[2448] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Goons complaining about this being political, Goons complaining about hate and verbal abuse.. some top quality posting Using the death (real or potential) of an actual human being as political capital in an internet spaceships game was disgusting when BoB did it in 2005 and its disgusting to see people doing it now.
Yes that is right, because the Goons are Saints and have never stepped over the line or told people they should die in numerous ways, forgot about that.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1322
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:15:00 -
[2449] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote: I'm just going to assume you're full of crap.
Literally any lawsuit that lands on CCP's doorstep regarding "wrongful death" and ends against their favor would be attributable to the failures of the legal system, not some non-event like this.
And what are YOUR legal qualifications to make a sweeping statement like that? Actually don't answer that, since the statement is just disgruntled commentary on the current legal trend against cyber-bullying. Well, whether you like it or not, it is a powerful legal trend at the moment, and it will be taken into consideration when CCP makes their decision. That's obvious from the statement they've already released. Deal with it. (Oh wait, since The Mittani said that first, do I need to quote it or include foot notes or something? I'd sure hate to get in trouble for infringement. )
Princess, they only way that CCP could be even remotely be brought into a legal proceding of any kind in the future is if petitions were filed by the victim reporting harassment with the intent cause bodily harm and documentation being provided that CCP ignored the situation.
Of course that would be completely ignoring their legal disclaimer that communications between players in game fall outside of their ability to strictly control.
Since CCP doesn't ignore complaints about real life threats being thrown about in their game, it's unlikely that this will occur. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Kairos Antilles
United Systems Nautical Service
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:16:00 -
[2450] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Kairos Antilles wrote:I have neither the time nor the inclination to read all (as of now) 116 pages of this thread, but in the many that I have read, not once have I seen anyone within GoonSwarm Federation break ranks on this topic, backing their CEO to the bitter end.
I find that to be either statistically amazing, or a testament to the collective hive mind they possess. Which is it? Hi let me point you to my post in this very thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1016057#post1016057Congratulations, I even mentioned you (you're the uneducated masses in the OP)
Thank you for pointing out the post. Truly.
Uneducated? Surely, as a relative newcomer to New Eden, and I'm still discovering all the political intricacies that are uniquely EVE - and I thoroughly enjoy that aspect of this glorious sandbox.
Please... indoctrinate me. |
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:16:00 -
[2451] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. #tweetfleet #EveOnline #csm7 #csm6
Hey, look guys, it's out of everybody's hands but the CSM's now. Stop the pointless arguing / forum warrioring. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:16:00 -
[2452] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Yeep wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Goons complaining about this being political, Goons complaining about hate and verbal abuse.. some top quality posting Using the death (real or potential) of an actual human being as political capital in an internet spaceships game was disgusting when BoB did it in 2005 and its disgusting to see people doing it now. Yes that is right, because the Goons are Saints and have never stepped over the line or told people they should die in numerous ways, forgot about that.
These are different things and if you can't see that your brain is broken. See a doctor. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:16:00 -
[2453] - Quote
DaiTengu wrote:
At that point it should have been done with after a simple apology, But no, politics came into play.
Now those who didn't vote for Mittani, never would have voted for him, and actively campaigned against him are fueling the fire.
Metagaming is bad and should not be permitted! |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:17:00 -
[2454] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Using the death (real or potential) of an actual human being as political capital in an internet spaceships game was disgusting when BoB did it in 2005 and its disgusting to see people doing it now.
If anything it's even worse this time since the political capital is not only alive, but still playing and gets to be subjected to whatever blowback comes of this, all because he sent a dumb email after getting ganked 6 months ago. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:17:00 -
[2455] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Alex needs to HTFU and step down from the CSM like he originally said he would. Not try to weasel out of what he said he would do.
Goons need to HTFU and accept that he needs to step down and stop acting like babies. Pot, meet kettle. Im not on the CSM. Are you this intellectually defunct that you cant think straight anymore. Or is this just normal for you?
Bolded the relevant part since you're not smart enough to figure it out on your own. |
Bane Necran
174
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:18:00 -
[2456] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Stop the pointless arguing / forum warrioring.
NEVER! |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:19:00 -
[2457] - Quote
HTFU Mitten. Eve is hard, eve is cold. Resign or you're a living proof of a genetic failure. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:19:00 -
[2458] - Quote
DaiTengu wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:DaiTengu wrote:
At that point it should have been done with after a simple apology, But no, politics came into play.
Goons complaining about the use of politics? And of course someone quotes the trivial portion of my post and runs with it.
In future please kindly highlight the portions of your post that are not worth reading so they can be skipped over and not mistaken for serious comment. Bold would do but a nice colour would be even better. |
Tamir Lenk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:20:00 -
[2459] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Andski wrote: I'm just going to assume you're full of crap.
Literally any lawsuit that lands on CCP's doorstep regarding "wrongful death" and ends against their favor would be attributable to the failures of the legal system, not some non-event like this.
And what are YOUR legal qualifications to make a sweeping statement like that? Actually don't answer that, since the statement is just disgruntled commentary on the current legal trend against cyber-bullying. Well, whether you like it or not, it is a powerful legal trend at the moment, and it will be taken into consideration when CCP makes their decision. That's obvious from the statement they've already released. Deal with it. (Oh wait, since The Mittani said that first, do I need to quote it or include foot notes or something? I'd sure hate to get in trouble for infringement. )
You're the space lawyer. You tell us. |
Prince Kobol
406
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:21:00 -
[2460] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Yeep wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Goons complaining about this being political, Goons complaining about hate and verbal abuse.. some top quality posting Using the death (real or potential) of an actual human being as political capital in an internet spaceships game was disgusting when BoB did it in 2005 and its disgusting to see people doing it now. Yes that is right, because the Goons are Saints and have never stepped over the line or told people they should die in numerous ways, forgot about that. These are different things and if you can't see that your brain is broken. See a doctor.
I can see the difference, you can tell x amount of people to go and kill themselves and a lot of other vile crap and its fine.
You can joke about peoples personal disabilities, there religion, their race, their person circumstances, you can make racist remarks and that is all fine as well.
You can also humiliate people on forum, in public in front of thousand of people and that is okay as well.
However once somebody does the same thing to you it suddenly because a serious issue and is no longer funny and those who do it are very bad and evil people.
Yep.. gotcha
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L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:23:00 -
[2461] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:I think my favorite thing about this thread is how goons went from being smug and dismissive to very mad.
They've manipulated crowds to do their bidding before, but now the beast has turned on them, and they're utterly powerless before it. How upsetting that must be.
You actually think we're angry? Have some cotton candy! Is this your first carnival? |
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:23:00 -
[2462] - Quote
zufina wrote:For trying to kill a person with cybermobbing cause the option is there a sensible person isn't acceptable!
Inb4 Mittens gets arrested for attempted murder |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:23:00 -
[2463] - Quote
Jessy Berbers wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Jessy Berbers wrote:Ok mittens, your apology is not accepted by me. Your behavior was totally and utterly un-acceptable.
I am with those who demand you step down from the CSM, but i also want to see the following actions, and in this i am mild.
Remove yourself from the game, or simply delete your charachter/charachters! all of them and start from the scratch, start from 0000.0000.000.
And next to that rename Goonswarm to completely something else, this is to delete your shameful behavior.
You must be let of with a prayer as you so eloquently put it, with praying your whole alliance wasnt dismantled by CCP. and your MAC/and IP banned for life.
Such is my thought on this issue.
Greets
Jessy. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Bzzzip...*sees mittani giving the goon an inject and saying what he should think* goodluck being a drone of the mittani goonswarm, instead of thinking for yourself, as a human being. And allowing your precious dictatorial wanabe leader to form your thoughts for you. Goons you should be ALL ashamed.
hahahahahahaha, Accuses me of being a drone, but then spouts almost word for word what Jade Constantine said.
You should be ashamed for your horrible posting.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
290
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:23:00 -
[2464] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Alex needs to HTFU and step down from the CSM like he originally said he would. Not try to weasel out of what he said he would do.
Goons need to HTFU and accept that he needs to step down and stop acting like babies. Pot, meet kettle. Im not on the CSM. Are you this intellectually defunct that you cant think straight anymore. Or is this just normal for you? Bolded the relevant part since you're not smart enough to figure it out on your own.
So you failed to isolate the relevant part you were commenting on in your first post and that's somehow my fault.
mmmmmmhmmmm. |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:24:00 -
[2465] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Yeep wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Goons complaining about this being political, Goons complaining about hate and verbal abuse.. some top quality posting Using the death (real or potential) of an actual human being as political capital in an internet spaceships game was disgusting when BoB did it in 2005 and its disgusting to see people doing it now. Yes that is right, because the Goons are Saints and have never stepped over the line or told people they should die in numerous ways, forgot about that.
Beep Beep Im a space truck! |
Kairos Antilles
United Systems Nautical Service
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:25:00 -
[2466] - Quote
Now THAT is just mean. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
145
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:25:00 -
[2467] - Quote
Goon tears. Delicious tears. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
248
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:25:00 -
[2468] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: Princess, they only way that CCP could be even remotely be brought into a legal proceding of any kind in the future is if petitions were filed by the victim reporting harassment with the intent cause bodily harm and documentation being provided that CCP ignored the situation.
Of course that would be completely ignoring their legal disclaimer that communications between players in game fall outside of their ability to strictly control.
Since CCP doesn't ignore complaints about real life threats being thrown about in their game, it's unlikely that this will occur.
Um, no.
Where are you getting all this crap about petitions? My statement assumed a lawsuit for wrongful death filed in the US under a pretty standard cause of action against an as-of-yet unnamed bully. The defendant or plaintiff might drag CCP into the fray in a counter or cross-claim and point to a failure to act in THIS SITUATION as evidence that CCP is aware of cyber-bullying on their game and did nothing to discourage it. It's a perfectly logical and reasonable and common argument to make in such cases.
To put it simply, failing to substantively punish tbp The Mittani (Alex) opens CCP up to a reasonable claim if a similar case arises in the future that includes a viable plaintiff.
And no, none of this is said for the benefit of CCP's legal department. Trust me, they are already taking a look at the possible legal consequences of failing to take reasonable steps in this situation.
Edit: Also, disclaimers mean **** in cases of gross negligence, which is exactly what failure to act in previous similar cases would help prove. So yeah, it ignores the disclaimer completely, because it's irrelevant. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
290
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:26:00 -
[2469] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Alex needs to HTFU and step down from the CSM like he originally said he would. Not try to weasel out of what he said he would do.
Goons need to HTFU and accept that he needs to step down and stop acting like babies. Well it would appear that the current suggestion of some Goons is that he "have his cake and eat it too" by stepping down from his CSM 6 position, since technically CSM7 hasn't started yet. "That would actually be a pretty hilarious troll", they say. It's also apparently to "deal with nerds" like myself (they mentioned a post I had made bringing up the fact that he's offered to resign but has yet to do so). There are far too many loopholes appearing for The Mittani to step through in order to keep his promise of resigning without actually resigning, and I would imagine he's aware of them. I predict that nothing is going to really change in regard to CSM7.
If he attempts any of that it will turn into a bigger storm then he is in now. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:26:00 -
[2470] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: So where are the goons prepared to stand up and say that what Alexander Gianturco did on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable and he should step down as chair then exactly?
Hi, I'm Yeep, I'm about as OG GoonFleet as it gets. I think what happened on stage at Fanfest was unacceptable. I think he's right to feel terrible and I've known him long enough to accept that his apology is in good faith. However a spur of the moment resignation, no matter how popular it might be in the real world right now, does nothing but appease the uneducated masses. Edit: For a bit of backstory I feel The Mittani crossed the line a number of times in the past when he was chief spymaster. I even opposed his promotion to the position on the grounds that his only qualification was nepotism. However he has the long term vision to continue to make Eve a better place for everyone (even whiny titan pilots) and the game will be objectively worse off if he resigns over this.
First of all quoting this so that it's up on the front page again - this guy knows what he's talking about. He is about as old-school as it gets. I was actually in Goonswarm in the early days that Yeep's talking about (different character though, that I no longer own - don't go chardating this.). Hell, my first kill was some roaming op in Gallente space with Yeep and a few others.
Now, I'm sure people have already decided to read the corp and alliance ticker and ignore everything I'm going to say based on that alone, but yeah, my thoughts on this are pretty similar here - stupid **** said, shouldn't have been, etc; but with a couple of crucial points I'd like to add; the thing that will make this into a PR nightmare is the echo chamber of, well, if I'm honest, incoherent rage going on here, which isn't going to help a thing.
Second? I know a bit about the whole 'wanting to die' thing; although I'd rather not discuss in fine detail on a public forum, if anyone chooses to PM me I'd certainly not have a problem talking about it if you so wish; and you know what? Best thing to do is LET IT GO. Not have it being swung around over and over, kept fresh. And although yeah, what was said was a step beyond the line, it doesn't seem, to me, to be 'BAN HIM BAN ALL GOONS HORRIBLE PEOPLE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH' that some would dearly love it to be.
CCP and the CSM are working something out. People need to CHILL THE **** OUT and let the actual people involved sort out where to go next, without keeping the shitstorm running that is only going to bring more negative press and hurt the game further. Although I do wonder how many of the people trying to keep this inflamed will do that. |
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Bane Necran
174
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:26:00 -
[2471] - Quote
L00B wrote:You actually think we're angry? Have some cotton candy! Is this your first carnival?
L00B wrote:There you go with that Matlock bullshit again.... HEY GUYS THAT TURKEY IS A CHICKEN CUZ I ******* TOLD YOUR ASS IT WAS A CHICKEN YOU STUPID INGRATE I'LL SUE YOUR ASS FOR FALSE ADVERTISEMENT.
The only thing worse than a lawyer is an internet lawyer. Yep, I ******* said it. What of it? Oh, you thought we were all suckups without spines.
You might want to be checked out for a brain tumor if that's not anger.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:27:00 -
[2472] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:I can see the difference, you can tell x amount of people to go and kill themselves and a lot of other vile crap and its fine. You can joke about peoples personal disabilities, there religion, their race, their person circumstances, you can make racist remarks and that is all fine as well. You can also humiliate people on forum, in public in front of thousand of people and that is okay as well. However once somebody does the same thing to you it suddenly because a serious issue and is no longer funny and those who do it are very bad and evil people. Yep.. gotcha
You don't think political discourse between strangers should be held to different standards than jokes between peers? Because if so boy do I have some dead baby jokes for you. |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
44
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:30:00 -
[2473] - Quote
Nothing sweeter than the TEARS of little drone bees.
Muahahahahahaha!
~ 49,000 ~ |
Jonah Gravenstein
65
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:30:00 -
[2474] - Quote
Yeep wrote:
You don't think political discourse between strangers should be held to different standards than jokes between peers? Because if so boy do I have some dead baby jokes for you.
Do they involve pitchforks, basketballs and salt? War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:30:00 -
[2475] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Alex needs to HTFU and step down from the CSM like he originally said he would. Not try to weasel out of what he said he would do.
Goons need to HTFU and accept that he needs to step down and stop acting like babies. Well it would appear that the current suggestion of some Goons is that he "have his cake and eat it too" by stepping down from his CSM 6 position, since technically CSM7 hasn't started yet. "That would actually be a pretty hilarious troll", they say. It's also apparently to "deal with nerds" like myself (they mentioned a post I had made bringing up the fact that he's offered to resign but has yet to do so). There are far too many loopholes appearing for The Mittani to step through in order to keep his promise of resigning without actually resigning, and I would imagine he's aware of them. I predict that nothing is going to really change in regard to CSM7. If he attempts any of that it will turn into a bigger storm then he is in now.
Hahaha yeah it would, a huge massive hilarious shitstorm. Glad we have you and some other e-honor dudes to feel outraged by the possibility of it though. |
Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
100
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:31:00 -
[2476] - Quote
I don't really care about in-game politics or bashing someone because they are the leader of a larger alliance.
But I do think he is an utter disgrace and unfit to represent the EVE community. People can use the excuse "he was drunk, people do silly things when they are drunk". Agreed, but you take responsibility when you're sober.
Resign. I have a specific comb for my beard. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:31:00 -
[2477] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote: To put it simply, failing to substantively punish tbp The Mittani (Alex) opens CCP up to a reasonable claim if a similar case arises in the future that includes a viable plaintiff.
They should probably punish you too for the dangerously incorrect medical advice you gave out earlier in the thread. I mean nobody died as a result of pulling the knife out of their stab wound yet but they might some time in the future and that could totally be construed to be CCP's fault.
You're not a hypocrite are you? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1322
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:33:00 -
[2478] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: Princess, they only way that CCP could be even remotely be brought into a legal proceding of any kind in the future is if petitions were filed by the victim reporting harassment with the intent cause bodily harm and documentation being provided that CCP ignored the situation.
Of course that would be completely ignoring their legal disclaimer that communications between players in game fall outside of their ability to strictly control.
Since CCP doesn't ignore complaints about real life threats being thrown about in their game, it's unlikely that this will occur.
Um, no. Where are you getting all this crap about petitions? My statement assumed a lawsuit for wrongful death filed in the US under a pretty standard cause of action against an as-of-yet unnamed bully. The defendant or plaintiff might drag CCP into the fray in a counter or cross-claim and point to a failure to act in THIS SITUATION as evidence that CCP is aware of cyber-bullying on their game and did nothing to discourage it. It's a perfectly logical and reasonable and common argument to make in such cases. To put it simply, failing to substantively punish tbp The Mittani (Alex) opens CCP up to a reasonable claim if a similar case arises in the future that includes a viable plaintiff. And no, none of this is said for the benefit of CCP's legal department. Trust me, they are already taking a look at the possible legal consequences of failing to take reasonable steps in this situation.
Of course, since no actual cyber bullying took place this time, that's not really applicable now isn't it?
Have any complaints of actual Cyber Bullying been made by the victim? No.
Did anyone take action on Mittani's obvious (bad) joke and attempt to harass him in any way? No.
At most it could be said that CCP was aware of the accusation of Cyber Bullying, but when bluntly asked if he was harassed in any way the "victim" denied any such thing has happened.
No crime has taken place for them to ignore... in fact they have a rather good record of issuing bans when such actions are reported to them as occuring in game or on the forums, which is also easily verifiable.
You'll have to do a bit better than that. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Prince Kobol
409
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:33:00 -
[2479] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I can see the difference, you can tell x amount of people to go and kill themselves and a lot of other vile crap and its fine. You can joke about peoples personal disabilities, there religion, their race, their person circumstances, you can make racist remarks and that is all fine as well. You can also humiliate people on forum, in public in front of thousand of people and that is okay as well. However once somebody does the same thing to you it suddenly because a serious issue and is no longer funny and those who do it are very bad and evil people. Yep.. gotcha You don't think political discourse between strangers should be held to different standards than jokes between peers? Because if so boy do I have some dead baby jokes for you.
Between peers?
hmm.. if they were jokes between just goon members or CFC members then that is fine, however when you randomly attack people on the forums how do you know they do not take it personally?
Are you saying that you players of Eve your peers?
I though all pubbies needed to die, isn't that what you guys like to say?
So let me get this straight, your saying that when you mock, ridicule, humiliate people using there race, religion, ethnic background, disabilities, personal circumstances, this is all just a joking with your peers?
Also as somebody who has been though the gut wrenching heart ache of losing a child, I would prefer you don't share any of your dead baby jokes with me. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
75
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:33:00 -
[2480] - Quote
Mittani must resign for his horrendous actions - Resignation is the only option! |
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Maverick Gauss
ShadowTec Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:33:00 -
[2481] - Quote
I am fairly new to Eve, so new that this years fanfest was the first I watched. And the appearance on the Alliance panel was the first I saw of The Mittani. But I take your word that he is a great enrichment to this community.
About his appology for his missdoings I'm sceptic. True he was drunk during the panel. But I don't think he was drunk when his corpmember told him the story about this miner. He probably wasn't drunk when he made the power point presentation and I don't believe he was drunk when he intentionally made the decission to mock this player in front of tousands of people.
I see that some may say that his good deeds outweight this one mistake, but this is the price for his fame. Him stepping down as CSM Chairman would be the absolute least to do. Giving all his ISK to the victim, fair enough. Harassing The Mittani even after he takes this actions, too much and also a bit hippocratic.
Yours sincerly |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:36:00 -
[2482] - Quote
Eugene Spencer wrote:I don't really care about in-game politics or bashing someone because they are the leader of a larger alliance.
But I do think he is an utter disgrace and unfit to represent the EVE community. People can use the excuse "he was drunk, people do silly things when they are drunk". Agreed, but you take responsibility when you're sober.
Resign.
You know a couple years ago the CSM was a total joke that nobody cared about. But now that Mittens has turned it into something awesome, the whole landscape has changed. Look at all the people who take this so serious, so e-honorish seriously. We have internet legal opinions flying around from people who most likely have no damn clue what they're talking about (Princess Bride ), we have other CSM members JUST ITCHING to take advantage of the downfall of the man who made them powerful (Darius III), and then a brothel runner who thinks that because Goons are defending their leader's position on the CSM that we all must be a religous cult, lacking individual thought processes (Jade Constantine)
Now that there is something worth fighting over, everone is here to cash their checks. |
DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:37:00 -
[2483] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:DaiTengu wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Mittens deliberatly cultivated a position as the public face of the eve player base in the gaming press. He wanted a profile to fit his ego so whored himself to everybody and anybody last year as the public face of us as players because of his position in the CSM. He cant have it both ways he got his face in the forums of the wider gaming press and enjoyed the attention it gave him. He wanted to be the public face of us players, he wanted the proffile, he wanted to be seen as an ubercool spaceship politician. Well now the chickens have come home to roost he has to take the fall. Find me one quote from him where he says he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY. Go ahead, I'll wait. You can't? It's because he didn't. He's clearly said he stands for his constituents. Those people who specifically voted for him. Quit making **** up. "Gianturco exclaims that this was for the benefit of the average EVE player. -½The media storm made CCP see things from the players' perspective. We are really satisfied with what came out of these turmoils, and the average player in EVE Online will also feel the impact this had on CCP's priorities." Clearly he feels he represents the "average eve player" awwwww do you feel betrayed the mittens has been unfaithful to the swarm and has been trying to do things for the whole community? He's talking about the csm as a whole, you illiterate hobo. The CSM of which he is chairman or is comprehension beyond you. Since you cant understand the implication of that quote her is another one from Mittens where the goons dont even get a mention. "As CSM Chair, I offer sound guidance and guardianship of that power; I'm one of the first to truly wield it effectively. I'm here to protect the nullsec population against the existential danger of allowing an ignorant hiseccer and Greyscale to get together and talk about jump bridges. I'm here to keep the focus of the game on spaceships instead of a testbed for WoD or a venue for more pants. It's a guardianship." Yes its a guardianship and he has failed in his role. At least he has aplogised and intimated he will be resigning. YOu however are defending the indefensible. What I find most amusing is you think he represents the goons? He represents himself the goons are merely a tool for him to get the publicity his ego needs. THe goons are the fat girlfriend left at home whilst mittens goes out clubbing with the pretty babes in the gaming press. If I were a goon I would feel used and a bit dirty.
So wait, you found a quote where he says he represents "nullsec", a known minority of players, and waved it in my face as if it's proof that he's said he represents the ENTIRE EVE COMMUNITY.
I could not have done better. My hat is off to you, sir.
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
84
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:37:00 -
[2484] - Quote
Personally I think that what was said at fanfest was somewhat tame by goon standards. However, compared to other years, I thought that the Titani's presentation sucked.
Hopefully he'll kill himself. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:37:00 -
[2485] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Goons complaining about this being political, Goons complaining about hate and verbal abuse.. some top quality posting Using the death (real or potential) of an actual human being as political capital in an internet spaceships game was disgusting when BoB did it in 2005 and its disgusting to see people doing it now.
Indeed! More disgusting than creating the situation involving that (real or potential) death.
C'mon dude. Listen to yourself. You're on here arguing that the guy who created this situation should just get a slap on the wrist and then calling the people criticising the actions that could have led to said death 'disgusting'. Don't you see something of an imbalance there or does tribalism overcome all genuine considerations in cases like this? And if it does, then not only are you defending the guy but you are also using exactly the same material as 'political capital' in attacking your opponents (albeit at one remove). |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
293
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:38:00 -
[2486] - Quote
Doddy wrote:All this has happened before, it will happen again.
Unless you make an example.
If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:39:00 -
[2487] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Doddy wrote:All this has happened before, it will happen again. Unless you make an example. If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.
BoB was the example. |
Tamir Lenk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:39:00 -
[2488] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote: Um, no.
Where are you getting all this crap about petitions? My statement assumed a lawsuit for wrongful death filed in the US under a pretty standard cause of action against an as-of-yet unnamed bully. The defendant or plaintiff might drag CCP into the fray in a counter or cross-claim and point to a failure to act in THIS SITUATION as evidence that CCP is aware of cyber-bullying on their game and did nothing to discourage it. It's a perfectly logical and reasonable and common argument to make in such cases.
To put it simply, failing to substantively punish tbp The Mittani (Alex) opens CCP up to a reasonable claim if a similar case arises in the future that includes a viable plaintiff.
And no, none of this is said for the benefit of CCP's legal department. Trust me, they are already taking a look at the possible legal consequences of failing to take reasonable steps in this situation.
Edit: Also, disclaimers mean **** in cases of gross negligence, which is exactly what failure to act in previous similar cases would help prove. So yeah, it ignores the disclaimer completely, because it's irrelevant.
You understand that CCP is in Iceland where it held the event, yes?
When you kit yourself out to chase these ambulances, do you use a special James Bond car when you hit the Atlantic, or an ejector seat with SCUBA gear?
Plus, I thought Florida disbarred you, Mr. Thompson. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:39:00 -
[2489] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Yeep wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I can see the difference, you can tell x amount of people to go and kill themselves and a lot of other vile crap and its fine. You can joke about peoples personal disabilities, there religion, their race, their person circumstances, you can make racist remarks and that is all fine as well. You can also humiliate people on forum, in public in front of thousand of people and that is okay as well. However once somebody does the same thing to you it suddenly because a serious issue and is no longer funny and those who do it are very bad and evil people. Yep.. gotcha You don't think political discourse between strangers should be held to different standards than jokes between peers? Because if so boy do I have some dead baby jokes for you. Between peers? hmm.. if they were jokes between just goon members or CFC members then that is fine, however when you randomly attack people on the forums how do you know they do not take it personally?
If I make fun of you and you take it personally, Op Success. I just don't care about your internet feelings, just like you don't care about mine, and also like how pretty much nobody has cared from the start about the actual victim's internet feelings in this case. Quit acting like everyone is entitled to feel safe and secure on the forums. Quit acting like CCP should be protecting everyone from insulting posts and negative actions in game.
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Jonatan Reed
Momentary Lapse of Reason. STR8NGE BREW
35
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:39:00 -
[2490] - Quote
Are people STILL commenting on this ****? He apologized, and was truly sorry. If you don't want to believe that fine, but he has done more for EVE then any of you ******* have, so shove it.
TL;DR **** Off. Move on. |
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
80
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:40:00 -
[2491] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Doddy wrote:All this has happened before, it will happen again. Unless you make an example. If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action. He cannot get away with this, and will not for a fact. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:40:00 -
[2492] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:People need to CHILL THE **** OUT and let the actual people involved sort out where to go next, without keeping the shitstorm running that is only going to bring more negative press and hurt the game further. Although I do wonder how many of the people trying to keep this inflamed will do that. Yes, I hear that yelling and using profanity effectively silences people who are voicing opinions contrary to your own. Moar plz.
Pretty much just the way I type, welp - shooting the messenger, not the message, etc.
The point, however, does stand; keeping this thing going hurts the game. Things are obviously being done about this. You kind of just proved the point there. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:41:00 -
[2493] - Quote
wow goon PR machine is in full swing |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1324
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:41:00 -
[2494] - Quote
Maverick Gauss wrote:I am fairly new to Eve, so new that this years fanfest was the first I watched. And the appearance on the Alliance panel was the first I saw of The Mittani. But I take your word that he is a great enrichment to this community.
About his appology for his missdoings I'm sceptic. True he was drunk during the panel. But I don't think he was drunk when his corpmember told him the story about this miner. He probably wasn't drunk when he made the power point presentation and I don't believe he was drunk when he intentionally made the decission to mock this player in front of tousands of people.
I see that some may say that his good deeds outweight this one mistake, but this is the price for his fame. Him stepping down as CSM Chairman would be the absolute least to do. Giving all his ISK to the victim, fair enough. Harassing The Mittani even after he takes this actions, too much and also a bit hippocratic.
Yours sincerly
Mav, I applaud you speaking your mind as a new player, but there is something you need to understand.
Nobody cares about any of the things you mentioned... not the slide, not laughing publicly at the guy, none of that.
The only issue is his drunken joke about paying the guy a visit in game to harass him into committing suicide. It went a step over the line into possibly causing the miner bodily harm in real life if anyone were actually stupid enough to take Mittani's joke seriously.
All the rest is actually business as usual in EVE. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:42:00 -
[2495] - Quote
Desert Ice78 wrote:Personally I think that what was said at fanfest was somewhat tame by goon standards. However, compared to other years, I thought that the Titani's presentation sucked.
Hopefully he'll kill himself.
HOLD ON I KNOW EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE SHOCKED BY MY REPLY:
Actually, I haven't heard a goon yet defend the presentation as interesting or funny.
In short, basically all goons agree with you. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
39
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:42:00 -
[2496] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Doddy wrote:All this has happened before, it will happen again. Unless you make an example. If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action.
You don't get it. When it happened before it created eves content for the next 5 years.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
293
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:42:00 -
[2497] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Doddy wrote:All this has happened before, it will happen again. Unless you make an example. If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action. BoB was the example.
Of cyber bullying and potential death?
How so?
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:42:00 -
[2498] - Quote
Andrea Roche wrote:wow goon PR machine is in full swing
No this isn't our PR Machine. Just us posting of our free will. You do not want the PR Machine going. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:42:00 -
[2499] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:Goon tears. Delicious tears.
I think you mistook urine for tears, actually. Not that I mind, you keep drinking that **** and telling us how tasty it is! |
Prince Kobol
411
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:43:00 -
[2500] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Yeep wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I can see the difference, you can tell x amount of people to go and kill themselves and a lot of other vile crap and its fine. You can joke about peoples personal disabilities, there religion, their race, their person circumstances, you can make racist remarks and that is all fine as well. You can also humiliate people on forum, in public in front of thousand of people and that is okay as well. However once somebody does the same thing to you it suddenly because a serious issue and is no longer funny and those who do it are very bad and evil people. Yep.. gotcha You don't think political discourse between strangers should be held to different standards than jokes between peers? Because if so boy do I have some dead baby jokes for you. Between peers? hmm.. if they were jokes between just goon members or CFC members then that is fine, however when you randomly attack people on the forums how do you know they do not take it personally? If I make fun of you and you take it personally, Op Success. I just don't care about your internet feelings, just like you don't care about mine, and also like how pretty much nobody has cared from the start about the actual victim's internet feelings in this case. Quit acting like everyone is entitled to feel safe and secure on the forums. Quit acting like CCP should be protecting everyone from insulting posts and negative actions in game.
I'm not, I just pointing out that the goons can't have it both ways.
You can't complain when people use the treat you the same way as you treat them. Bitching about how its all political and about how the verbal abuse is terrible is pretty damn sad and something I would of never though I'd see a goon do.
You have become what you claim to despise... pubbies
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Bill Banner
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:43:00 -
[2501] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Eugene Spencer wrote:I don't really care about in-game politics or bashing someone because they are the leader of a larger alliance.
But I do think he is an utter disgrace and unfit to represent the EVE community. People can use the excuse "he was drunk, people do silly things when they are drunk". Agreed, but you take responsibility when you're sober.
Resign. You know a couple years ago the CSM was a total joke that nobody cared about. But now that Mittens has turned it into something awesome, the whole landscape has changed. Look at all the people who take this so serious, so e-honorish seriously. We have internet legal opinions flying around from people who most likely have no damn clue what they're talking about (Princess Bride ), we have other CSM members JUST ITCHING to take advantage of the downfall of the man who made them powerful (Darius III), and then a brothel runner who thinks that because Goons are defending their leader's position on the CSM that we all must be a religous cult, lacking individual thought processes (Jade Constantine) Now that there is something worth fighting over, everone is here to cash their checks.
Not me - I'm not pushing any personal agenda; I just think he exhibited some poor behavior, and as a result should step down or be removed.
By extension, his actions reflect those of his supporters as well - thus marginalizing the entire organization as a collection of recalcitrant twits. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:52:00 -
[2502] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?"
He just told you.... go look it up. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
144
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:52:00 -
[2503] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?"
BoB killed RoyOfCA. I don't see anyone sperging about that |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:52:00 -
[2504] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Eugene Spencer wrote:I don't really care about in-game politics or bashing someone because they are the leader of a larger alliance.
But I do think he is an utter disgrace and unfit to represent the EVE community. People can use the excuse "he was drunk, people do silly things when they are drunk". Agreed, but you take responsibility when you're sober.
Resign. You know a couple years ago the CSM was a total joke that nobody cared about. But now that Mittens has turned it into something awesome, the whole landscape has changed. Look at all the people who take this so serious, so e-honorish seriously. We have internet legal opinions flying around from people who most likely have no damn clue what they're talking about (Princess Bride ), we have other CSM members JUST ITCHING to take advantage of the downfall of the man who made them powerful (Darius III), and then a brothel runner who thinks that because Goons are defending their leader's position on the CSM that we all must be a religous cult, lacking individual thought processes (Jade Constantine) Now that there is something worth fighting over, everone is here to cash their checks. When the hammer falls, and you are pulling your hair and gnashing your teeth and scream WHY??!? you can come back to my posts that you say "likely have no damn clue" and figure out what happened from there. Alex really HAS put CCP in an awkward position legally and they have no choice but to act. You'll know what I'm talking about soon enough. (Okay that may be too much to hope for, but you will at least have an inkling that I was right.) For me the best parts of this thread are the goons burying their beloved leader, one shovelful of hate at a time. By expressing so eloquently that most of the goons really don't "get it", you have helped make action by CCP in order to set an example almost 100% guaranteed. Yeah I know, this is baffling and angers you greatly. That part is fun too, I admit. Also, I find it laughable that this myth that The Mittani made the CSM not a "total joke" anymore hilarious. What I remember is he went to Iceland, full of promises of how his extraordinary real life political know-how (somehow proven in a game setting) was going to ensure full CCP compliance with the goon agenda. His return from Iceland was followed by the WORST Eve expansion ever and massive protests were undertaken. These protests, and much more importantly the massive un-subs, prompted CCP to reverse itself. The Mittani and the rest of the CSM were flown to Iceland again to be coddled by CCP and given a modicum of credit for the changes CCP was forced to make as a purely business decision. He/they returned "victorious" from a battle that was won before they even left the ground in their plane. Did I miss something?
I've already stated multiple times that I'm expecting him to step down. You are really picky about what posts you do and do not read. That's ok, I forgive you. You also are a classic example of "Believeing what you want to believe while ignoreing facts." I forgive you for that too. |
Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:53:00 -
[2505] - Quote
Guys, I have a specific comb for my beard. I have a specific comb for my beard. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:53:00 -
[2506] - Quote
Oh no! Not the banner of our publicly available forums! What shall we do?! :psyduck:
Next you'll be telling me that CCP's TOS applies to TEST's private website. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
144
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 20:54:00 -
[2507] - Quote
Eugene Spencer wrote:Guys, I have a specific comb for my beard.
I like you. Would you like to join my space guild? |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:54:00 -
[2508] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Oh no! Not the banner of our publicly available forums! What shall we do?! :psyduck: Next you'll be telling me that CCP's TOS applies to TEST's private website.
Don't worry, we have Princess bride here to let you know what's what. He/She/It is a really good attorney. |
Eugene Spencer
Rodents of Unusual Size
103
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:54:00 -
[2509] - Quote
esc shk wrote:Eugene Spencer wrote:Guys, I have a specific comb for my beard. I like you. Would you like to join my space guild?
No the leader is a dickhead. I have a specific comb for my beard. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:55:00 -
[2510] - Quote
Eugene Spencer wrote:Guys, I have a specific comb for my beard.
I, too, have a beard comb. |
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Tamir Lenk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:57:00 -
[2511] - Quote
esc shk wrote:RougeOperator wrote: So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?"
BoB killed RoyOfCA. I don't see anyone sperging about that
That is out-of-line, sir!
RoyOfCA stood head-and-shoulders above petty squabbles like this. Your comparison defaces that Goon hero.
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:57:00 -
[2512] - Quote
Ssakaa wrote:Yeep wrote:[
You don't think political discourse between strangers should be held to different standards than jokes between peers? Because if so boy do I have some dead baby jokes for you. Just when you think EVE has hit a new low... Let's hope you never have to go through such mental anguish as some here have had to. Despicable and vile.
Sup? |
Bill Banner
State War Academy Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:58:00 -
[2513] - Quote
esc shk wrote:Bill Banner wrote:Ice Fist wrote:
There are exceptions of course. But they are few and far between from the people who actually stand to gain something.
Sticks and stones. I don't really think I, or anybody else in my organization care what you think about us in game. In fact, I find a great deal of comedy in all the hate being generated.
Not hate, indifference. The kid will get what's coming, it's taken on a life of its own now. The kid who's retired and living a happy life having been a DC lawyer for years? HOKAY!
Years you say? I would have thought him older, wiser....
I know a guy, he lives of a trust fund. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1324
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:58:00 -
[2514] - Quote
Quote:So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?"
I dunno Rouge, someone actually dying seems a bit more clear cut to me. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Hexus Draidin
Intersteller Masons Wonder Kids
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:59:00 -
[2515] - Quote
This whole going overboard to appease the public is a bit silly. The formal apology should have been enough. Resigning ignores the votes of 10,000+. Donating all teh iskies to the miner is also a bit silly when isk is probably not an issue for the leader of Teh Goonies or somebody that PLEXes or pays for 23 accounts. I'm So Meta, Even This Acronym-á |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
251
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:00:00 -
[2516] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:even in a badposting thread i don't get why people would respond to princess bride
Because they're mad, brosef.
They not only respond to my posts, they respond to other people's posts, and drag me into the reply because their butthurt cannot be contained in their sub-par replies to me. *shrug* They're goons, I mean is there really anything else to say here? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:00:00 -
[2517] - Quote
I feel really bad for Mittens. With this band of socially ******** misfits such as these following him about, as desperate for guidance as the boys in Lord of the Flies, who really needs any in game enemies. These boorish hangers-on are punishment enough for any soul. I have a feeling that he will be spending the next several evenings in their teamspeak or what ever they use, explaining to his Lost Boys what the apology means in smaller worlds and what the difference is between in game asshattery and out of game asshattery. He has a lot of work ahead of him. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
146
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:01:00 -
[2518] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:even in a badposting thread i don't get why people would respond to princess bride Because they're mad, brosef. They not only respond to my posts, they respond to other people's posts, and drag me into the reply because their butthurt cannot be contained in their sub-par replies to me.
You're never going to be admitted to Law School yknow. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
300
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:01:00 -
[2519] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?" I dunno Rouge, someone actually dying seems a bit more clear cut to me.
So you support people screaming at a guy on a ledge to jump? As long as he doesnt actually jump? But what if he does?
You need your compass adjusted. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:01:00 -
[2520] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: No you are not defending the Mittani's actions, however you trying to claim that its fine to post personal attack using any and all subject matter as we are "Your Peers" all of a sudden and not those "death to all pubbies" but when it comes back at you its no longer cool.
As I said it your fellow goon friend, how you can be surprised when people treat you the same as you treat them?
As for the The Mittani apologising, do you seriously think that most people were going to believe him?
Here is a guy who has made a name for himself as a lying, cheating, pubbie hating bastard and all of a sudden people should believe him, let alone the fact that we have had goons actually come on the forums and post how in a couple of days they are all going to be laughing at everybody on your forums about how we all got trolled.
Theres no answer I can give to this that will satisfy you but I'll say that once someone has brought up something like a disability in an attempt to justify a moronic opinion that has nothing to do with their disability then yes I think thats fair game. You don't get to use something like that as a trump card then go crying to mom when someone calls you on it. |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
564
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:01:00 -
[2521] - Quote
Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
300
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:02:00 -
[2522] - Quote
esc shk wrote:RougeOperator wrote:esc shk wrote:RougeOperator wrote: So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?"
BoB killed RoyOfCA. I don't see anyone sperging about that Tragic yes, show me where someone called for others to harass him unto his death? Yknow the part where he actually died? Yeah that happened.
So you got nothing?
Moving along now. |
Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:02:00 -
[2523] - Quote
Hexus Draidin wrote:This whole going overboard to appease the public is a bit silly. The formal apology should have been enough. Resigning ignores the votes of 10,000+. Donating all teh iskies to the miner is also a bit silly when isk is probably not an issue for the leader of Teh Goonies or somebody that PLEXes or pays for 23 accounts.
The formal apology would be enough if it wasn't a just another joke. |
Tamir Lenk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:02:00 -
[2524] - Quote
Doddy wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?"
You really don't know how the great war started do you?
The gaps in our players' knowledge of EVE history . . . you could drive a truck through them. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:03:00 -
[2525] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Oh no! Not the banner of our publicly available forums! What shall we do?! :psyduck: Next you'll be telling me that CCP's TOS applies to TEST's private website. Don't worry, we have Princess bride here to let you know what's what. He/She/It is a really good attorney. Your butt-hurt sarcasm and tears fuel my posting engine. Moar plz.
Butt-hurt? Haha princess this is goddamn hilarious. Nothing we love more than a good shitstorm.
It's especially amusing to see you run around like you know what you're talking about legally.
Oh, it's spelt "m-o-r-e p-l-e-a-s-e." Real lawyers don't talk the way you do. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
251
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:03:00 -
[2526] - Quote
esc shk wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:even in a badposting thread i don't get why people would respond to princess bride Because they're mad, brosef. They not only respond to my posts, they respond to other people's posts, and drag me into the reply because their butthurt cannot be contained in their sub-par replies to me. You're never going to be admitted to Law School yknow.
Keep on fishing. I find the way your limited context hinders your ability to do so amusing. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:04:00 -
[2527] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated.
So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place? |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
146
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:04:00 -
[2528] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:esc shk wrote:RougeOperator wrote:esc shk wrote:RougeOperator wrote: So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?"
BoB killed RoyOfCA. I don't see anyone sperging about that Tragic yes, show me where someone called for others to harass him unto his death? Yknow the part where he actually died? Yeah that happened. So you got nothing? Causation and correlation matters. Actually goons should be more sensitive about this in retrospect. And should have condemned the mittani as much as anyone. Moving along now.
A man with an actual bullet in his head is nothing?
Also we know he ****** up (hint - You're a ******) |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
251
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:04:00 -
[2529] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:
Oh, it's spelt "m-o-r-e p-l-e-a-s-e." Real lawyers don't talk the way you do.
This gets better and better. Spelling lessons from a Goon! http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
146
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:04:00 -
[2530] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:esc shk wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:even in a badposting thread i don't get why people would respond to princess bride Because they're mad, brosef. They not only respond to my posts, they respond to other people's posts, and drag me into the reply because their butthurt cannot be contained in their sub-par replies to me. You're never going to be admitted to Law School yknow. Keep on fishing. I find the way your limited context hinders your ability to do so amusing.
~PUPPETMASTA~ CONTR0LLING UR GAEMS |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3631
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:05:00 -
[2531] - Quote
law degrees come in boxes of cracker jacks "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
645
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:06:00 -
[2532] - Quote
Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days.
You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said.
Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP:
1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life.
2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life.
That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame.
Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players?
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
251
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:06:00 -
[2533] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated. So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place?
Oh they are. If they ever post an apology thread of their own, I'll be sure to post in it. :) http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
301
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:06:00 -
[2534] - Quote
esc shk wrote:[quote=RougeOperator] A man with an actual bullet in his head is nothing? Also we know he ****** up (hint - You're a ******)
Show me how people in EVE persecuted that outcome?
This makes you guys even sicker for trying to do it and defend someone calling for it on another player.
All your working with is an emotional fallacy and a story that is in no way similar to what mittani was trying to or almost did.
Im even more disgusted you are using that tragedy in this way.
Goons are disgusting on a human real life level. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
23
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:07:00 -
[2535] - Quote
Ssakaa wrote:Yeep wrote:[
You don't think political discourse between strangers should be held to different standards than jokes between peers? Because if so boy do I have some dead baby jokes for you. Just when you think EVE has hit a new low... Let's hope you never have to go through such mental anguish as some here have had to. Despicable and vile.
Yes, yes, Yeep, my good man, you should be ashamed at having a sense of humor wat wat. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3631
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:07:00 -
[2536] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said. Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP: 1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life. 2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life. That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame. Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players?
false dilemma LOL
how is it not surprising that your posting is so awful that you got banned from FHC of all places "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:07:00 -
[2537] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Ice Fist wrote:
Oh, it's spelt "m-o-r-e p-l-e-a-s-e." Real lawyers don't talk the way you do.
This gets better and better. Spelling lessons from a Goon!
We take our spelling and grammar very seriously on our forums. In fact, it's a read-only offense to mess it up. You'd be banned by now with all of your crappy meme's and l33t speak. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
217
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:07:00 -
[2538] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Because they're mad, brosef. no they're not sorry you just seem like an easy target to mock because you're dumb but people don't realize you're literally too dumb
i mean no matter how much i insult a rock for being dumb its never going to learn or feel bad |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:07:00 -
[2539] - Quote
Still can't get a definitive answer
Is this so called "Kestrel" [1] player, who have allegedly blown the whistle to Eurogamer, a FinFleet alt or not ?
-- [1] may not be his in-game nick, information is from various news sites |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
147
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:08:00 -
[2540] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said. Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP: 1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life. 2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life. That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame. Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players?
He didn't cyber bully anyone |
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:08:00 -
[2541] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated. So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place? Oh they are. If they ever post an apology thread of their own, I'll be sure to post in it. :)
This is pretty much the only remotely sensible thing you're posted this whole thread. |
DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
100
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:08:00 -
[2542] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said. Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP: 1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life. 2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life. That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame. Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players?
Reading your posts is driving me to suicide. I demand that CCP bans you.
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
86
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:08:00 -
[2543] - Quote
Time to go, Mittens. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1324
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:08:00 -
[2544] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:So you got nothing clear cut as the Alex/mittani saying "LYNCH this one guy HURF DERF?" I dunno Rouge, someone actually dying seems a bit more clear cut to me. So you support people screaming at a guy on a ledge to jump? As long as he doesnt actually jump? But what if he does? You need your compass adjusted.
Except nobody screamed at the guy to jump now did they?
All that ACTUALLY happened was a drunk at the back of the crowd said it would be funny if the crowd cheered him on... which, of course, nobody did because the guy was drunk and it was a stupid idea to begin with.
Of course, if the crowd HAD started screaming "Jump" who is really to blame... the person screaming jump or the foolish drunk mumbling in the back of the crowd that they listened to?
Your analogy somewhat backfires my friend. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:09:00 -
[2545] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said. Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP: 1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life. 2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life. That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame. Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players?
3. Realise that the company and people involved are being cautious for a reason, probably involving the fact that it's not a black and white situation.
OH GOD WHY DOES ANDSKI BEAT ME TO EVERY POST |
NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:09:00 -
[2546] - Quote
Andski wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said. Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP: 1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life. 2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life. That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame. Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players? false dilemma LOL how is it not surprising that your posting is so awful that you got banned from FHC of all places LOL, someone is for sure out of arguments when you have to start talking about other things as an excuse. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
147
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:09:00 -
[2547] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Time to go, Mittens.
Hows replacing those titans going son? |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
147
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:10:00 -
[2548] - Quote
threadpoopan. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
109
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:10:00 -
[2549] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:wow goon PR machine is in full swing Yes they the Goons have decided they are PRO Cyber bullying, and pro driving people to suicide through harassment. Its really very disturbing they are defending it. You should have seen some of the posts they made before they were purged by mods.
Calling what The Mittani did 'cyber-bullying' trivializes real cyber-bullying.
You are the scum of the internet. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
77
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:10:00 -
[2550] - Quote
I think he only apologized for the likes he would get from his cronies. ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o ) ( o Y o )
The world would be a better place if boobies ran the world instead of boobs. |
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
147
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:10:00 -
[2551] - Quote
I agree with myself as the second gunman |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
23
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:10:00 -
[2552] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated. So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place? Oh they are. If they ever post an apology thread of their own, I'll be sure to post in it. :)
Holy ****, your blog is awful. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:11:00 -
[2553] - Quote
esc shk wrote:de4deye wrote:Time to go, Mittens. Hows replacing those titans going son?
Not well. Not enough faction gyrostabs on the market. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
86
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:11:00 -
[2554] - Quote
ABLOO BLOO BLOO |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:11:00 -
[2555] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said.
Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP:
1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life.
2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life.
That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame.
Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players?
Discussion after a cool down is better than a knee jerk reaction. Knee jerk reactions tend to be the worst mistakes. Much the same about knee jerk laws and changes to game rules.
1 and 2 both. If he has broken any rules then he should be sanctioned, if he has not then he should not be that is the simple fact of the matter.
I have read through the EULA and in my opinion it does not apply here. However we have no idea what people who are CSM and people as speakers at the event have to sign upto. Those are what will be used to decide if he is to be sanctioned, not yours, mine or anyone elese opinions on whether he broke the rules or not. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
147
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:11:00 -
[2556] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated. So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place? Oh they are. If they ever post an apology thread of their own, I'll be sure to post in it. :) Holy ****, your blog is awful.
Not empty quoting |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3630
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:11:00 -
[2557] - Quote
NightmareX wrote:Andski wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Seleene wrote:OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said. Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP: 1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life. 2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life. That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame. Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players? false dilemma LOL how is it not surprising that your posting is so awful that you got banned from FHC of all places LOL, someone is for sure out of arguments when you have to start talking about other things as an excuse.
i pointed out that he's falling back on the badposting fallacy that is the false dilemma "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:12:00 -
[2558] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life.
...While simultaneously sending a message to over 10,000 paying subscribers that their vote is irrelevant and that they don't get a say in this year's CSM. What Mittens did was wrong, but he's apologized and the "victim" of the events is cool with the entire situation. While option 1 you listed would be a PR nightmare, option 2 is not going to be a particularly good outcome for CCP either.
Also, gonna go against what most people seem to think and say that I don't think any speakers should be allowed to be drunk while giving a presentation at any panel. Spirit of Fanfest be damned, you can get drunk on the pub crawl after. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
301
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:12:00 -
[2559] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:wow goon PR machine is in full swing Yes they the Goons have decided they are PRO Cyber bullying, and pro driving people to suicide through harassment. Its really very disturbing they are defending it. You should have seen some of the posts they made before they were purged by mods. Calling what The Mittani did 'cyber-bullying' trivializes real cyber-bullying. You are the scum of the internet.
No it was a clear as day version of cyber bullying.
Moving along. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
147
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:12:00 -
[2560] - Quote
de4deye wrote:ABLOO BLOO BLOO
-everyone |
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:12:00 -
[2561] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:You mean wait a few days and see if the recent events is still a PR nightmare for CCP and all associated entities like the CSM? Because that is what you just said.
Mittani/Alex created a situation that leaves only two options for CCP:
1. Don't ban Alex and all his accounts thus sending the message to all players and the gaming community that CCP supports cyber bullying with the goal to get another player to kill themselves in real life.
2. Ban Alex and all his accounts sending a clear message that CCP does not tolerate cyber bullying with the intent to have someone kill themselves in real life.
That is the situation he created for himself and CCP. No one else did this. He has only himself to blame.
Everyone no matter what your angle is knows damn well that if it was some ordinary player who did this he would be in perma-ban hell right now. Why should Mittani receive this special treatment? Does being on the CSM now or the next term mean they are not held to the EULA like the rest of the players? Discussion after a cool down is better than a knee jerk reaction. Knee jerk reactions tend to be the worst mistakes. Much the same about knee jerk laws and changes to game rules. 1 and 2 both. If he has broken any rules then he should be sanctioned, if he has not then he should not e that is the simple fact of the matter. I have read through the EULA and in my opinion it does not apply here. However we have no idea what people who are CSM and people as speakers at the event have to sign upto. Those are what will be used to decide if he is to be sanctioned, not yours, mine or anyone elese opinions on whether he broke the rules or not.
Quoting this because someone gets 'not black and white don't kneejerk'. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
86
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:12:00 -
[2562] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:esc shk wrote:de4deye wrote:Time to go, Mittens. Hows replacing those titans going son? Not well. Not enough faction gyrostabs on the market. Admittedely, that was a horrible fitting. The standard is now 3x Gyros on a Bus. |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:12:00 -
[2563] - Quote
Agreed on your agreement. All these ******* liberal retards taking up a cause for someone who gives 2 ***** about the deal and making themselves feel important because they have a hole to drop all their spurg in to.
xXv1c10usXx wrote:xXv1c10usXx wrote:xXv1c10usXx wrote:You know what. All this pubbie B*** S*** is entirely too funny. You complain and gripe about an aspect of the game that is prevalent and real in the arena of play. If such an environment did not exist, then Empire space would be completely safe, no pirates would exist and no conflict would exist in game. Guess what, even the presentations were a reflection of the gaming community, NOT the players real life, even though real people were present.
GET OVER YOURSELF already. Holy Sh!7!!!! Crawl back in to your hole and go play ANGRY BIRDS and take your frustrations on on something where no-one loses except you and your whiny ass, disillusioned pansies that you associate with.
IF, I was offended, the dude apologized. so STFU and move on. I thought is was funny as hell myself. I know all your friends IRL don't need any enemies with folks like you around. Quoting self to add to the irrelevant fray. And again since so much other irrelevant posting is underway. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:12:00 -
[2564] - Quote
de4deye wrote:ABLOO BLOO BLOO
Stolen goon meme. You're drooping pretty low there. |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:13:00 -
[2565] - Quote
esc shk wrote:de4deye wrote:ABLOO BLOO BLOO -everyone
ABLAH BLAH BLAH |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
147
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:14:00 -
[2566] - Quote
i don't even, i can't begin to
like
its
someone help me i dont know where to start |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
147
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:14:00 -
[2567] - Quote
i am at a loss for words |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
565
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:14:00 -
[2568] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated. So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place?
Good point. CCP is now going to have to vet every presentation. My guess is before they thought there would be no need. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:14:00 -
[2569] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Ice Fist wrote:esc shk wrote:de4deye wrote:Time to go, Mittens. Hows replacing those titans going son? Not well. Not enough faction gyrostabs on the market. Admittedely, that was a horrible fitting. The standard is now 3x Gyros on a Bus.
Glad to hear you're upgrading. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
147
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:14:00 -
[2570] - Quote
hot liquid **** splashing up and speckling my white bottom |
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
166
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:15:00 -
[2571] - Quote
a cleansing dive into sparkling yellow **** waters, light at the top yet brown near the bottom. i plunge deep and feel the saltiness enter my pores. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:15:00 -
[2572] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated. So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place?
I asked this exact same thing, then got heart attack posted and hurfblurfed to the point that no one even cared about what I posted.
In the end, it's CCP's fault for being total failures in moderating and reviewing the slides. Just because he was allowed to be drunk and say something stupid shouldn't condemn his CSM position.
CSM has nothing to do with this anyway, and people using it against Mittani are stupid and irrelevant people that should probably kill themselves, and I ask all the Goons, TEST and the rest of CFC to actively get these people to kill themselves.
See what I just did thar? I'll probably be banned now for making this post, but at this point I could care less, because Mittani deserves to stay as CSM chair, screw the white-knights, I hope they all cut/hang themselves.
So how about Sean Payton not apologizing for the bounty-gate? |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
166
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:15:00 -
[2573] - Quote
a field of partially congealed *** on grass. before it continues to gel, i leap and splay myself out on the ground, nude. i wave my arms and legs, making the snape of an angel. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
166
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:15:00 -
[2574] - Quote
i am led down a darkened hallway and through a metal door that screams as it opens and closes. i sit down in an old wooden chair with a light above me and wait. soon he appears. helpers flank him, and then grip my face and hold my mouth open. the man leans forward, plugs one nostril, and blows the contents of his nasal cavity into my eager mouth. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:16:00 -
[2575] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated. So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place? Good point. CCP is now going to have to vet every presentation. My guess is before they thought there would be no need.
I was under the impression they already did this... |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
166
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:16:00 -
[2576] - Quote
because my face is strapped so tightly to the ass of this man, the **** he pushes out is forced to go over, around, and under my eye sockets after they rapidly become full of *****. i grind my face a little, to enjoy the smooshing sensation. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
166
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:16:00 -
[2577] - Quote
my ***** stings greatly from the regurgitated stomach acids, but my joy overpowers the negative sensation. the scent of heineken and sourness fills the air. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
166
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:17:00 -
[2578] - Quote
he is strapped down over a table, blindfolded and gagged. a courtesan hands me a cheese grater and motions me towards his waiting ass. mounds upon mounds of swollen, pus filled acne await me on twin rounded fields of flesh. i drop to my knees and hold my mouth open so as to enjoy any incidental splashing, and then i begin working on him with the grater. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
166
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:17:00 -
[2579] - Quote
my eyes are irritated as endless flakes of dead skin float down into them, but the visine helps mitigate the worst of it. my erection grows ever harder as i watch the crusty foot directly above my face get worked over with the file. soon all of the callous will be broken up and spread over me. |
NightmareX
Rebirth. THE GOD SQUAD
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:17:00 -
[2580] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated. So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place? Good point. CCP is now going to have to vet every presentation. My guess is before they thought there would be no need. I was under the impression they already did this... Maybe CCP didn't know what Mittani was going to say to that slide page? |
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
166
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:18:00 -
[2581] - Quote
the side rooms are filled with aged and diseased men of all walks of life. the only unifying factor among them is that they have all contracted the most recent strain of cold virus, and each cough from them produces a hefty amount of phlegm. upon entering, they crowd around me and hold me down onto the ground. my clothes are rapidly stripped away, and the process begins. the air is filled with a cacophony of horks and coughs, and i close my eyes. all across my body i can feel points of warmth as phlegm and bile are projected onto me. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:18:00 -
[2582] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Doddy wrote:All this has happened before, it will happen again. Unless you make an example. If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action. BoB was the example. Of cyber bullying and potential death? How so?
goons have a history mocking a dead bob player |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:18:00 -
[2583] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:I was under the impression they already did this...
If they did, they sure as hell weren't looking closely at it, since that slide in the first place was pretty much the textbook definition of "ill-advised".
NightmareX wrote:Maybe CCP didn't know what Mittani was going to say to that slide page?
Kind of irrelevant since the part everyone is feigning outrage about was during the Q&A afterwards, not the actual presentation. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
166
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:19:00 -
[2584] - Quote
Basically this is what pubbies remind me of |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:19:00 -
[2585] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Doddy wrote:All this has happened before, it will happen again. Unless you make an example. If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action. BoB was the example. Of cyber bullying and potential death? How so? goons have a history mocking a dead bob player
And BoB has a record of actually getting a goon to kill himself.
Interesting no? |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:21:00 -
[2586] - Quote
MOTHER OF GOD. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
166
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:22:00 -
[2587] - Quote
I could post more of my thoughts on the matter |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1325
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:22:00 -
[2588] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:wow goon PR machine is in full swing Yes they the Goons have decided they are PRO Cyber bullying, and pro driving people to suicide through harassment. Its really very disturbing they are defending it. You should have seen some of the posts they made before they were purged by mods. Calling what The Mittani did 'cyber-bullying' trivializes real cyber-bullying. You are the scum of the internet.
I hate to say it, but this... exactly this. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:22:00 -
[2589] - Quote
Hear the sledges with the bells - Silver bells! What a world of merriment their melody foretells! How they tinkle, tinkle, tinkle, In the icy air of night! While the stars that oversprinkle All the heavens seem to twinkle With a crystalline delight; Keeping time, time, time, In a sort of Runic rhyme, To the tintinnabulation that so musically wells From the bells, bells, bells, bells, Bells, bells, bells - From the jingling and the tinkling of the bells.
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xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:23:00 -
[2590] - Quote
Hear the mellow wedding bells - Golden bells! What a world of happiness their harmony foretells! Through the balmy air of night How they ring out their delight! From the molten-golden notes, And all in tune, What a liquid ditty floats To the turtle-dove that listens, while she gloats On the moon! Oh, from out the sounding cells What a gush of euphony voluminously wells! How it swells! How it dwells On the Future! -how it tells Of the rapture that impels To the swinging and the ringing Of the bells, bells, bells, Of the bells, bells, bells, bells, Bells, bells, bells - To the rhyming and the chiming of the bells!
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
36
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:23:00 -
[2591] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:I was under the impression they already did this... If they did, they sure as hell weren't looking closely at it, since that slide in the first place was pretty much the textbook definition of "ill-advised". NightmareX wrote:Maybe CCP didn't know what Mittani was going to say to that slide page? Kind of irrelevant since the part everyone is feigning outrage about was during the Q&A afterwards, not the actual presentation.
They said in statement that it was always supposed to be open forum and the public presenters were expected to keep the posts to within the areas of proper conduct. As such, they were not reviewed. CCP has had dealing with the Goons/test people before, and am sure they were not expecting the comments that did come out.
On another note, I am lazy so a copy/paste from my statement in the voting thread:
me wrote:Posted a bit ago, but never saw it mentioned, going to put up the following:
SeleeneGÇÅ@Seleene_EVEReply Retweet
Favorite -+ Open
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. #tweetfleet #EveOnline #csm7 #csm6
Retweeted by The Mittani
So calls for resignations, the mongering, etc won't cause anything else. Maybe time for us to all Kumbaya and let what needs to be done, get done and not cause problems for CCP or negative press for eve. |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:23:00 -
[2592] - Quote
Hear the loud alarum bells - Brazen bells! What a tale of terror, now, their turbulency tells! In the startled ear of night How they scream out their affright! Too much horrified to speak, They can only shriek, shriek, Out of tune, In a clamorous appealing to the mercy of the fire, In a mad expostulation with the deaf and frantic fire, Leaping higher, higher, higher, With a desperate desire, And a resolute endeavor Now -now to sit or never, By the side of the pale-faced moon. Oh, the bells, bells, bells! What a tale their terror tells Of despair! How they clang, and clash, and roar! What a horror they outpour On the bosom of the palpitating air! Yet the ear it fully knows, By the twanging And the clanging, How the danger ebbs and flows; Yet the ear distinctly tells, In the jangling And the wrangling, How the danger sinks and swells, By the sinking or the swelling in the anger of the bells - Of the bells, Of the bells, bells, bells, bells, Bells, bells, bells - In the clamor and the clangor of the bells! |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:23:00 -
[2593] - Quote
Hear the tolling of the bells - Iron bells! What a world of solemn thought their monody compels! In the silence of the night, How we shiver with affright At the melancholy menace of their tone! For every sound that floats From the rust within their throats Is a groan. And the people -ah, the people - They that dwell up in the steeple, All alone, And who tolling, tolling, tolling, In that muffled monotone, Feel a glory in so rolling On the human heart a stone - They are neither man nor woman - They are neither brute nor human - They are Ghouls: And their king it is who tolls; And he rolls, rolls, rolls, Rolls A paean from the bells! And his merry bosom swells With the paean of the bells! And he dances, and he yells; Keeping time, time, time, In a sort of Runic rhyme, To the paean of the bells, Of the bells - Keeping time, time, time, In a sort of Runic rhyme, To the throbbing of the bells, Of the bells, bells, bells - To the sobbing of the bells; Keeping time, time, time, As he knells, knells, knells, In a happy Runic rhyme, To the rolling of the bells, Of the bells, bells, bells - To the tolling of the bells, Of the bells, bells, bells, bells, Bells, bells, bells - To the moaning and the groaning of the bells. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1325
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:24:00 -
[2594] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:wow goon PR machine is in full swing Yes they the Goons have decided they are PRO Cyber bullying, and pro driving people to suicide through harassment. Its really very disturbing they are defending it. You should have seen some of the posts they made before they were purged by mods. Calling what The Mittani did 'cyber-bullying' trivializes real cyber-bullying. You are the scum of the internet. No it was a clear as day version of cyber bullying. Moving along.
Funny, thats not what the supposed victim says.
Moving along. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:24:00 -
[2595] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:I was under the impression they already did this... If they did, they sure as hell weren't looking closely at it, since that slide in the first place was pretty much the textbook definition of "ill-advised". NightmareX wrote:Maybe CCP didn't know what Mittani was going to say to that slide page? Kind of irrelevant since the part everyone is feigning outrage about was during the Q&A afterwards, not the actual presentation. They said in statement that it was always supposed to be open forum and the public presenters were expected to keep the posts to within the areas of proper conduct. As such, they were not reviewed. CCP has had dealing with the Goons/test people before, and am sure they were not expecting the comments that did come out. On another note, I am lazy so a copy/paste from my statement in the voting thread: I wrote:Posted a bit ago, but never saw it mentioned, going to put up the following:
SeleeneGÇÅ@Seleene_EVEReply Retweet
Favorite -+ Open
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. #tweetfleet #EveOnline #csm7 #csm6
Retweeted by The Mittani
So calls for resignations, the mongering, etc won't cause anything else. Maybe time for us to all Kumbaya and let what needs to be done, get done and not cause problems for CCP or negative press for eve.
Never not quoting sensible posts. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
252
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:24:00 -
[2596] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:wow goon PR machine is in full swing Yes they the Goons have decided they are PRO Cyber bullying, and pro driving people to suicide through harassment. Its really very disturbing they are defending it. You should have seen some of the posts they made before they were purged by mods. Calling what The Mittani did 'cyber-bullying' trivializes real cyber-bullying. You are the scum of the internet. I hate to say it, but this... exactly this.
Yeah. Seconded. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
166
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:25:00 -
[2597] - Quote
Far over the Misty Mountains cold, To dungeons deep and caverns old, We must away, ere break of day, To seek our pale enchanted gold.
The dwarves of yore made mighty spells, While hammers fell like ringing bells, In places deep, where dark things sleep, In hollow halls beneath the fells.
For ancient king and elvish lord There many a gleaming golden hoard They shaped and wrought, and light they caught, To hide in gems on hilt of sword.
On silver necklaces they strung The flowering stars, on crowns they hung The dragon-fire, on twisted wire They meshed the light of moon and sun.
Far over the Misty Mountains cold, To dungeons deep and caverns old, We must away, ere break of day, To claim our long-forgotten gold.
Goblets they carved there for themselves, And harps of gold, where no man delves There lay they long, and many a song Was sung unheard by men or elves.
The pines were roaring on the heights, The wind was moaning in the night, The fire was red, it flaming spread, The trees like torches blazed with light.
The bells were ringing in the dale, And men looked up with faces pale. The dragon's ire, more fierce than fire, Laid low their towers and houses frail.
The mountain smoked beneath the moon. The dwarves, they heard the tramp of doom. They fled the hall to dying fall Beneath his feet, beneath the moon.
Far over the Misty Mountains grim, To dungeons deep and caverns dim, We must away, ere break of day, To win our harps and gold from him!
The wind was on the withered heath, But in the forest stirred no leaf: There shadows lay be night or day, And dark things silent crept beneath.
The wind came down from mountains cold, And like a tide it roared and rolled. The branches groaned, the forest moaned, And leaves were laid upon the mould.
The wind went on from West to East; All movement in the forest ceased. But shrill and harsh across the marsh, Its whistling voices were released.
The grasses hissed, their tassels bent, The reeds were rattlingGÇöon it went. O'er shaken pool under heavens cool, Where racing clouds were torn and rent.
It passed the Lonely Mountain bare, And swept above the dragon's lair: There black and dark lay boulders stark, And flying smoke was in the air.
It left the world and took its flight Over the wide seas of the night. The moon set sale upon the gale, And stars were fanned to leaping light.
Under the Mountain dark and tall, The King has come unto his hall! His foe is dead, the Worm of Dread, And ever so his foes shall fall!
The sword is sharp, the spear is long, The arrow swift, the Gate is strong. The heart is bold that looks on gold; The dwarves no more shall suffer wrong.
The dwarves of yore made mighty spells, While hammers fell like ringing bells In places deep, where dark things sleep, In hollow halls beneath the fells.
On silver necklaces they strung The light of stars, on crowns they hung The dragon-fire, from twisted wire The melody of harps they wrung.
The mountain throne once more is freed! O! Wandering folk, the summons heed! Come haste! Come haste! Across the waste! The king of friend and kin has need.
Now call we over the mountains cold, 'Come back unto the caverns old!' Here at the gates the king awaits, His hands are rich with gems and gold.
The king has come unto his hall Under the Mountain dark and tall. The Worm of Dread is slain and dead, And ever so our foes shall fall!
Farewell we call to hearth and hall! Though wind may blow and rain may fall, We must away, ere break of day Far over the wood and mountain tall.
To Rivendell, where Elves yet dwell In glades beneath the misty fell. Through moor and waste we ride in haste, And whither then we cannot tell.
With foes ahead, behind us dread, Beneath the sky shall be our bed, Until at last our toil be passed, Our journey done, our errand sped.
We must away! We must away! We ride before the break of day! |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
566
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:26:00 -
[2598] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated. So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place? Good point. CCP is now going to have to vet every presentation. My guess is before they thought there would be no need. I was under the impression they already did this...
If they did, then somehow they got the impression different words would go with it. But the fact the slide was made shows the train of thought of the author. He intended it to be shown, and that intent was made prior to getting drunk at Fanfest. Yes, CCP should have caught it, but there also should never have been anything to catch.
I think Mittani needs to step down, despite having a total of 3% of the accounts voting for him. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:26:00 -
[2599] - Quote
Once it smiled a silent dell Where the people did not dwell; They had gone unto the wars, Trusting to the mild-eyed stars, Nightly, from their azure towers, To keep watch above the flowers, In the midst of which all day The red sun-light lazily lay. Now each visitor shall confess The sad valley's restlessness. Nothing there is motionless -- Nothing save the airs that brood Over the magic solitude. Ah, by no wind are stirred those trees That palpitate like the chill seas Around the misty Hebrides! Ah, by no wind those clouds are driven That rustle through the unquiet Heaven Uneasily, from morn till even, Over the violets there that lie In myriad types of the human eye -- Over the lilies there that wave And weep above a nameless grave! They wave: -- from out their fragrant tops Eternal dews come down in drops. They weep: -- from off their delicate stems Perennial tears descend in gems. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:27:00 -
[2600] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:Everyone realizes that the presentation was made days, if not weeks prior to the event? This was not an off the cuff remark made while drunk, it was premeditated. So why is CCP not at fault for allowing the slide to be presented in the first place? Good point. CCP is now going to have to vet every presentation. My guess is before they thought there would be no need. I was under the impression they already did this... If they did, then somehow they got the impression different words would go with it. But the fact the slide was made shows the train of thought of the author. He intended it to be shown, and that intent was made prior to getting drunk at Fanfest. Yes, CCP should have caught it, but there also should never have been anything to catch. I think Mittani needs to step down, despite having a total of 3% of the accounts voting for him.
The WH guy's presentation had a giant erect *****. Just saying. |
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
36
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:27:00 -
[2601] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Never not quoting sensible posts.
Careful, talk like that will make me stop hating goons! |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:27:00 -
[2602] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Doddy wrote:All this has happened before, it will happen again. Unless you make an example. If he doesnt step down CCP needs to take action. BoB was the example. Of cyber bullying and potential death? How so? goons have a history mocking a dead bob player
And despite the fact goons condemmed it a great anti goon crusade was launched starting on these forums. So goons turtled up and recruited and made friends with the other hated minorities (the russians, the french) and the great war was born. Will be interesting being on the goons side this time.
About time there wa ssome proper content tbh.
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
167
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:28:00 -
[2603] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote: I think Mittani needs to step down, despite having a total of 3% of the accounts voting for him.
No vote no reperesentation...
Oh god. It's happening again..."you may experience discomfort"
, the courtesan informs me. the pumping mechanism is now tightly strapped to my body, and the catheter has been violently shoved all the way in. some say it is a life changing experience to have the urine of another man forcibly pumped into your own bladder, and i eagerly look forward to seeing if this is true
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
252
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:30:00 -
[2604] - Quote
LOL at the goons attempting to crap up their own CEO's apology thread like they do local in hopes that the thread is locked.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:30:00 -
[2605] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Never not quoting sensible posts. Careful, talk like that will make me stop hating goons!
Man, and I can't even come up with a creative bad post to make you hate me again! I guess I should quit and go to TEST, they're better at badposts. |
ovenproofjet
The Illuminatii Mildly Intoxicated
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:30:00 -
[2606] - Quote
Wow 130 pages of pure nonsense, and only one good post. Mittens post.
Sometimes people just need to gain a sense of humour.... |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
167
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:31:00 -
[2607] - Quote
Nope that's just me. I haven't even started yet. Also these forums suck donkey schlong |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
36
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:32:00 -
[2608] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Markus Reese wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Never not quoting sensible posts. Careful, talk like that will make me stop hating goons! Man, and I can't even come up with a creative bad post to make you hate me again! I guess I should quit and go to TEST, they're better at badposts.
Well, next time I am running solo exploration in goon systems, you will have to gank my exploration ship, that will make me hate you guys. To brighten everybody's spirits, I will beg mercy, agree to pay ransom and get blown up anyways. That should do it! |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
303
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:32:00 -
[2609] - Quote
no mods jut come in and clean in up eventually they want to keep it in one thread. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:32:00 -
[2610] - Quote
ovenproofjet wrote:Wow 130 pages of pure nonsense, and only one good post. Mittens post.
Sometimes people just need to gain a sense of humour....
**** you, my posts are goddamn hilarious. |
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
167
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:33:00 -
[2611] - Quote
So are mine |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:33:00 -
[2612] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Markus Reese wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Never not quoting sensible posts. Careful, talk like that will make me stop hating goons! Man, and I can't even come up with a creative bad post to make you hate me again! I guess I should quit and go to TEST, they're better at badposts.
Have you seen spaceGBS lately?
Also I'm back from sleeping and working. Where are we at in the thread? |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:34:00 -
[2613] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:ovenproofjet wrote:Wow 130 pages of pure nonsense, and only one good post. Mittens post.
Sometimes people just need to gain a sense of humour.... **** you, my posts are goddamn hilarious.
Yeah my Jade Constantine space brothel quip was spot on.
Because he runs a space brothel. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:34:00 -
[2614] - Quote
Thread summary for those of you who came in late:
Mittani apologises; 130 pages of terrible posting. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
252
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:34:00 -
[2615] - Quote
esc shk wrote: Nope that's just me. I haven't even started yet. Also these forums suck donkey schlong
Yeah, desperate times and all. So how long do you think it will be before CCP stops deleting each individual goonie crap post and just bans you from forums for a while? I think not long, seeing all of the effort they had to put in removing all of the goonie "kill yourself" posts already from this thread. I can almost feel the lack of patience from here. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:34:00 -
[2616] - Quote
An internet whorehouse if you will. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:34:00 -
[2617] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:They said in statement that it was always supposed to be open forum and the public presenters were expected to keep the posts to within the areas of proper conduct. As such, they were not reviewed. CCP has had dealing with the Goons/test people before, and am sure they were not expecting the comments that did come out.
It's sort of a strange collision of ideas - Fanfest as the drunken party/vacation and Fanfest as the livestreamed official CCP event. Not vetting live presentations and not caring if your presenters are very nearly falling-down drunk was going to come back and bite them in the ass at some point, Mittani or otherwise. I think it's safe to say that this is the last year of "unfiltered" presentations on live streams, no matter what else happens. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3633
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:35:00 -
[2618] - Quote
this thread is killing me "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
71
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:36:00 -
[2619] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Thread summary for those of you who came in late:
Mittani apologises; 130 pages of terrible posting.
Screw you, i went from 5 likes to 70 with my posting in here, 90% of them being Goonies. So byte me hard. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:37:00 -
[2620] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote: I think it's safe to say that this is the last year of "unfiltered" presentations on live streams, no matter what else happens.
QFT
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esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
168
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:37:00 -
[2621] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:esc shk wrote: Nope that's just me. I haven't even started yet. Also these forums suck donkey schlong Yeah, desperate times and all. So how long do you think it will be before CCP stops deleting each individual goonie crap post and just bans you from forums for a while? I think not long, seeing all of the effort they had to put in removing all of the goonie "kill yourself" posts already from this thread. I can almost feel the lack of patience from here.
Where will I shitpost then? Maybe Kugs, or Fyad. (FYAD is a subforum on SA that means **** you and Die fyi) |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:37:00 -
[2622] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Markus Reese wrote:They said in statement that it was always supposed to be open forum and the public presenters were expected to keep the posts to within the areas of proper conduct. As such, they were not reviewed. CCP has had dealing with the Goons/test people before, and am sure they were not expecting the comments that did come out. It's sort of a strange collision of ideas - Fanfest as the drunken party/vacation and Fanfest as the livestreamed official CCP event. Not vetting live presentations and not caring if your presenters are very nearly falling-down drunk was going to come back and bite them in the ass at some point, Mittani or otherwise. I think it's safe to say that this is the last year of "unfiltered" presentations on live streams, no matter what else happens.
Yeah, drunk people, and official televised event, PR disaster waiting to happen!
There will most definitely be a 30 minute delay or so on 'live' video from CCP in the future, I think. |
Garadjanalhavar Arareb
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:37:00 -
[2623] - Quote
Andski wrote:this thread is killing me
Someone help this guy and unleash the hammer upon those who are killing him! |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:38:00 -
[2624] - Quote
Personally, I refrained writing an article over this because further bad press on this issue would just shed an undeserved bad light on the game and it's community.
That's exactly why a resignation would be appropriate. Words and apologies are cheap. If one really wants to own up to his actions he should face the full consequences of those actions.
Even looking beyond what it actually happened, I would be ashamed to be represented by someone that steps on a televised panel during a full expenses paid trip in a drunken state, without concern for the reputation of those he represents. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
111
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:38:00 -
[2625] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Markus Reese wrote:They said in statement that it was always supposed to be open forum and the public presenters were expected to keep the posts to within the areas of proper conduct. As such, they were not reviewed. CCP has had dealing with the Goons/test people before, and am sure they were not expecting the comments that did come out. It's sort of a strange collision of ideas - Fanfest as the drunken party/vacation and Fanfest as the livestreamed official CCP event. Not vetting live presentations and not caring if your presenters are very nearly falling-down drunk was going to come back and bite them in the ass at some point, Mittani or otherwise. I think it's safe to say that this is the last year of "unfiltered" presentations on live streams, no matter what else happens.
THANKS FOR RUINING FANFEST PUBBIES |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:38:00 -
[2626] - Quote
Garadjanalhavar Arareb wrote:Andski wrote:this thread is killing me Someone help this guy and unleash the hammer upon those who are killing him!
Why don't you hang yourself over it, you seem to be distressed. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:39:00 -
[2627] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Thread summary for those of you who came in late:
Mittani apologises; 130 pages of terrible posting. Screw you, i went from 5 likes to 70 with my posting in here, 90% of them being Goonies. So byte me hard.
Your posts have been (usually) good posts actually. You seem to get it! |
Garadjanalhavar Arareb
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:40:00 -
[2628] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Garadjanalhavar Arareb wrote:Andski wrote:this thread is killing me Someone help this guy and unleash the hammer upon those who are killing him! Why don't you hang yourself over it, you seem to be distressed.
Geesh buddy, got a rope for me? |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
168
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:40:00 -
[2629] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:
THANKS FOR RUINING FANFEST PUBBIES
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:40:00 -
[2630] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Garadjanalhavar Arareb wrote:Andski wrote:this thread is killing me Someone help this guy and unleash the hammer upon those who are killing him! Why don't you hang yourself over it, you seem to be distressed.
Oh dear, that's offensive! Now, excuse me while I feign being mad so I can achieve my own agendas! |
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Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
71
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:40:00 -
[2631] - Quote
Garadjanalhavar Arareb wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Garadjanalhavar Arareb wrote:Andski wrote:this thread is killing me Someone help this guy and unleash the hammer upon those who are killing him! Why don't you hang yourself over it, you seem to be distressed. Geesh buddy, got a rope for me?
No, but i'm sure Lowes or Ace Hardware will have enough rope for you to hang yourself. I believe it's $5 a yard or something like that. |
geilesding
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:40:00 -
[2632] - Quote
Look at all that goon tears crying about their momy getting kicked
Just 3 Words for you guys: deal with it |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
142
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:41:00 -
[2633] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Thread summary for those of you who came in late:
Mittani apologises; 130 pages of terrible posting.
You do realise that most of the posting has been done by Goonswarm here.
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:41:00 -
[2634] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Garadjanalhavar Arareb wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Garadjanalhavar Arareb wrote:Andski wrote:this thread is killing me Someone help this guy and unleash the hammer upon those who are killing him! Why don't you hang yourself over it, you seem to be distressed. Geesh buddy, got a rope for me? No, but i'm sure Lowes or Ace Hardware will have enough rope for you to hang yourself. I believe it's $5 a yard or something like that.
Quoting this before the next deletion wave. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:42:00 -
[2635] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Thread summary for those of you who came in late:
Mittani apologises; 130 pages of terrible posting. You do realise that most of the posting has been done by Goonswarm here.
Yes. I am also a terrible poster. Mostly. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1326
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:43:00 -
[2636] - Quote
Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked.
I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until the can stop groaning about them. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
142
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:43:00 -
[2637] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Thread summary for those of you who came in late:
Mittani apologises; 130 pages of terrible posting. You do realise that most of the posting has been done by Goonswarm here. Yes. I am also a terrible poster. Mostly.
You are forgiven because we know good posting is against Goonswarm doctrine.
|
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
111
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:43:00 -
[2638] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Thread summary for those of you who came in late:
Mittani apologises; 130 pages of terrible posting. You do realise that most of the posting has been done by Goonswarm here.
You should see goonfleet.com since WIDOT joined. It's like a sea of neg reps. |
Garadjanalhavar Arareb
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:44:00 -
[2639] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Garadjanalhavar Arareb wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:Garadjanalhavar Arareb wrote:Andski wrote:this thread is killing me Someone help this guy and unleash the hammer upon those who are killing him! Why don't you hang yourself over it, you seem to be distressed. Geesh buddy, got a rope for me? No, but i'm sure Lowes or Ace Hardware will have enough rope for you to hang yourself. I believe it's $5 a yard or something like that.
Hey you got a direction on that? Cause I'm not really from around you see. I'm not as familiarized as much as you locally. Hey maybe you can um go and get some of that rope and I'll just hang back here? |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:44:00 -
[2640] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Personally, I refrained writing an article over this because further bad press on this issue would just shed an undeserved bad light on the game and it's community.
That's exactly why a resignation would be appropriate. Words and apologies are cheap. If one really wants to own up to his actions he should face the full consequences of those actions.
Even looking beyond what it actually happened, I would be ashamed to be represented by someone that steps on a televised panel during a full expenses paid trip in a drunken state, without concern for the reputation of those he represents.
Appologies if meant are never cheap.
Saying words are cheap leads to the logical conclusion that what he said that started this is also cheap and therefore worthless of consideration which therefore negates the need for him to step down.
He will face the full consequences of his actions if CCP sanction him for his behaviour if it is appropriate to do so. He may even face them in the future with employees or even prospective employess in this day and age of net checks.
I am not a defender nor someone calling for it, I am trying to keep my personal thoughts of what should happen over this as they are irrelevant to what the decision by CCP may be. I have said however I do not think the behaviour acceptable, anf that is as far as I am willing to go on it.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1326
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:44:00 -
[2641] - Quote
geilesding wrote:Look at all that goon tears crying about their momy getting kicked Just 3 Words for you guys: deal with it
Just 3 words for you: It's spelled mommy. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:45:00 -
[2642] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked. I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until they can stop groaning about them.
Logic has no place on the Internet, you should know that by now! Much better to go for hysteria.
CCP Guard is probably sat waiting on the lock button on this thread as soon as possible. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
71
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:48:00 -
[2643] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked. I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until they can stop groaning about them. Logic has no place on the Internet, you should know that by now! Much better to go for hysteria. CCP Guard is probably sat waiting on the lock button on this thread as soon as possible.
I'm actually surprised it wasn't locked already.
I'd honestly like to know why Riverini is still going on with this defamation against Mittani. You lost Riverini, stop being a sore loser, you lame ass loser. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
36
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:48:00 -
[2644] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Only 70 to 80 odd pages until this overtakes the WiS threadnaught. Go go Goons go!
Wrong, there are two parallel threads totaling over 240 pages, it already has. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:48:00 -
[2645] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:This is a stupid line of posting and I'm done with it.
Did you see how Sean Payton didn't apologize for bounty-gate?
oh god I know nothing about American football...
erm erm
GO TEAM
(Never, ever stop posting.) |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:49:00 -
[2646] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked. I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until they can stop groaning about them. Logic has no place on the Internet, you should know that by now! Much better to go for hysteria. CCP Guard is probably sat waiting on the lock button on this thread as soon as possible. I'm actually surprised it wasn't locked already. I'd honestly like to know why Riverini is still going on with this defamation against Mittani. You lost Riverini, stop being a sore loser, you lame ass loser.
Question asked and answered all at once. A Good Post. |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:49:00 -
[2647] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked. I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until they can stop groaning about them.
There is a large difference between "hysteria and misinformation" and simple, clear cut calls for someone guilty of an unacceptable social and professional behavior to face the actual consequences of what he did, instead of just saying "sorry I was drunk" and hoping to get away with a wirstslap. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
173
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:49:00 -
[2648] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:I'd honestly like to know why Riverini is still going on with this defamation against Mittani. You lost Riverini, stop being a sore loser, you lame ass loser.
His sizable dislike of Mittens/anything Goon related goes back well before the election. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
50
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:50:00 -
[2649] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Personally I have nothing against you or your actions in game. It is a game and anything that happens in game should stay there. But with your public "flogging" of a fellow player you're supposto represent is completely uncalled for in any manner.
I will only give you any respect in game or IRL unless you withdraw from your current position as CSM chairman.
agreed.
i was there, when i left i felt a line had been crossed, i turned to a friend who was with me on his first fanfest and asked, was that a little ott ?
he replied " i've seen drunkin 13 year olds act more responsible "
i've watched the video over and over, if this was in an apartment or a hotel room or in a pub at fanfest it would be all drunk shite talk and ranting, but it wasn't !
it was on a live stream which thousands watched. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
71
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:51:00 -
[2650] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:This is a stupid line of posting and I'm done with it.
Did you see how Sean Payton didn't apologize for bounty-gate? oh god I know nothing about American football... erm erm GO TEAM (Never, ever stop posting.) Sean Payton is the head coach for the New Orleans Saints. His defensive coach decided to pay players for intentionally injuring other players in the league, and it was a hierarchical program with more money being paid to the players if the injuries were in the playoffs.
He even tried covering it up, and impeding the investigation, and was only suspended a year, and never apologized for it. |
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Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:51:00 -
[2651] - Quote
Tbf, I actually have a small amount of respect for Mittani atm. Not for his actions at FF, but rather the fact that he has made his apology, done all the correct steps so far, and left it at that. No falling to any baiting, or getting in to forum arguements, just accepting it & taking things as they are, and go, so far
(at least, as it appears atm ) |
DrunkenOne
Unknown Soldiers GIANTSBANE.
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:51:00 -
[2652] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked. I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until they can stop groaning about them. Logic has no place on the Internet, you should know that by now! Much better to go for hysteria. CCP Guard is probably sat waiting on the lock button on this thread as soon as possible. I'm actually surprised it wasn't locked already. I'd honestly like to know why Riverini is still going on with this defamation against Mittani. You lost Riverini, stop being a sore loser, you lame ass loser.
you are the one that doesnt get it. mittens is done!! |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:52:00 -
[2653] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked. I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until they can stop groaning about them. There is a large difference between "hysteria and misinformation" and simple, clear cut calls for someone guilty of an unacceptable social and professional behavior to face the actual consequences of what he did, instead of just saying "sorry I was drunk" and hoping to get away with a wirstslap.
I think most of the actual (by which I mean rational, unselfishly motivated) disagreement is over what an appropriate consequence is.
Ranger 1 wrote:Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked. I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until they can stop groaning about them.
Have you considered using logic and fact alongside bad puns? |
Ai Shun
430
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:53:00 -
[2654] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Only 70 to 80 odd pages until this overtakes the WiS threadnaught. Go go Goons go! Wrong, there are two parallel threads totaling over 240 pages, it already has.
Odd. I see one thread at 132 / 133 odd pages. I had not realised we've redefined a threadnaught so it can contain all threads that mention the same topic. But then, this whole thing seems about redefining CCP, CSM and EVE - so okay. I am thus redefining 240 pages to be less than 192. WiS wins. Fatality. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:53:00 -
[2655] - Quote
geilesding wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:geilesding wrote:Look at all that goon tears crying about their momy getting kicked Just 3 Words for you guys: deal with it Just 3 words for you: It's spelled mommy. Those are 4 words
Actually it's two words and a contraction if you want to get technical.
Ranger 1 it is spelt mummy. Dear me you yanks.......... |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
89
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:53:00 -
[2656] - Quote
Bye Bye, Mittens. It's been fun. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
304
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:55:00 -
[2657] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Markus Reese wrote:They said in statement that it was always supposed to be open forum and the public presenters were expected to keep the posts to within the areas of proper conduct. As such, they were not reviewed. CCP has had dealing with the Goons/test people before, and am sure they were not expecting the comments that did come out. It's sort of a strange collision of ideas - Fanfest as the drunken party/vacation and Fanfest as the livestreamed official CCP event. Not vetting live presentations and not caring if your presenters are very nearly falling-down drunk was going to come back and bite them in the ass at some point, Mittani or otherwise. I think it's safe to say that this is the last year of "unfiltered" presentations on live streams, no matter what else happens. THANKS FOR RUINING FANFEST PUBBIES
Couldn't have done it without your glorious leader. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
36
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:55:00 -
[2658] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Markus Reese wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Only 70 to 80 odd pages until this overtakes the WiS threadnaught. Go go Goons go! Wrong, there are two parallel threads totaling over 240 pages, it already has. Odd. I see one thread at 132 / 133 odd pages. I had not realised we've redefined a threadnaught so it can contain all threads that mention the same topic. But then, this whole thing seems about redefining CCP, CSM and EVE - so okay. I am thus redefining 240 pages to be less than 192. WiS wins. Fatality.
Well, they are so parallel, might as well be. Well, who knows, might end up with both being past 192 and it will become a doublekill. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
252
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:55:00 -
[2659] - Quote
SmilingVagrant wrote: Honestly Mittens giving an apology is a major break of the "Smuggo" character he's created over the last several years.
Yep. It's pretty clear that a complete 180 was necessary for even the slightest chance of getting out of this with a CSM spot and his accounts intact. However I believe that was only wishful thinking. It may mitigate the damage somewhat, but he's not going to emerge unscathed, and he knows it. CCP cannot afford to just let him off the hook at this point, period. Legal and PR need a head on a platter. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
geilesding
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:56:00 -
[2660] - Quote
Tbh, funny to see the goonleader doing a wulff (ex german president) |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:58:00 -
[2661] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Bye Bye, Mittens. It's been fun.
Maybe if you post it one more time it will actually come true. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
306
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Posted - 2012.03.27 21:58:00 -
[2662] - Quote
Riddick Liddell wrote:Does this mean Goonswarm are carebears now?
They have been crying more them them lately. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
257
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 21:59:00 -
[2663] - Quote
Danfen Fenix wrote:Tbf, I actually have a small amount of respect for Mittani atm. Not for his actions at FF, but rather the fact that he has made his apology, done all the correct steps so far, and left it at that. No falling to any baiting, or getting in to forum arguements, just accepting it & taking things as they are, and go, so far (at least, as it appears atm )
The silence you hear is the sound of Alex holding his breath and praying silently that when this is over he can still play Eve. Any sign of smugness from him at this point is pretty much a biomass sentence. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
72
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:01:00 -
[2664] - Quote
The last few posts have been terrible, so I decline to quote them. They are stupid.
I'd like to see Riverini post in here on his main and admit he started this as a smear campaign against Mittani. He's so butt hurt he's got a lot of people doing it for him, so he might as well just admit it.
This is now Riverini 2012. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
165
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:01:00 -
[2665] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:Does this mean Goonswarm are carebears now? They have been crying more them them lately.
Apparently their chairman got ganked while wearing a Wizards hat and he'll never live it down.
They have a lot to cry about.
My EVE YouTube Channel |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1326
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:02:00 -
[2666] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked. I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until they can stop groaning about them. There is a large difference between "hysteria and misinformation" and simple, clear cut calls for someone guilty of an unacceptable social and professional behavior to face the actual consequences of what he did, instead of just saying "sorry I was drunk" and hoping to get away with a wirstslap. I think most of the actual (by which I mean rational, unselfishly motivated) disagreement is over what an appropriate consequence is. Ranger 1 wrote:Okay, I admit my posting in this thread sucked. I should never have made the mistake of relying on logic and fact to counter hysteria and misinformation... bad puns seem to be far more effective. At least then they stop posting crap for awhile until they can stop groaning about them. Have you considered using logic and fact alongside bad puns?
Yes, but then they get so confused they fail to appreciate my delicate wit. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
165
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:02:00 -
[2667] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:The last few posts have been terrible, so I decline to quote them. They are stupid.
I'd like to see Riverini post in here on his main and admit he started this as a smear campaign against Mittani. He's so butt hurt he's got a lot of people doing it for him, so he might as well just admit it.
This is now Riverini 2012.
Hold on, in another thread someone was making the argument that this is so uninteresting and unimportant that Riverini and EN24 didn't even PICK UP ON IT for ages.
So which is it? He started it or he didn't pick up on it ?
lol
Same old bullshit.
My EVE YouTube Channel |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:02:00 -
[2668] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:The last few posts have been terrible, so I decline to quote them. They are stupid.
I'd like to see Riverini post in here on his main and admit he started this as a smear campaign against Mittani. He's so butt hurt he's got a lot of people doing it for him, so he might as well just admit it.
This is now Riverini 2012.
Riverini's ego is way too big to have not smashed this all over every corner of evenews24 before anyone else broke it |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:03:00 -
[2669] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Yep. It's pretty clear that a complete 180 was necessary for even the slightest chance of getting out of this with a CSM spot and his accounts intact. However I believe that was only wishful thinking. It may mitigate the damage somewhat, but he's not going to emerge unscathed, and he knows it. CCP cannot afford to just let him off the hook at this point, period. Legal and PR need a head on a platter.
Actually they don't the people calling for it do. There in lies part of the problem.
Even if he is sanctioned for his behaviour some of the people will not be happy unless they see what is done. To me that is not justice but vengance. Justice will be he gets what ever punishment he deserves if any and not my or anyone else seeing him hanged, drawn and quarted.
No one escapse from a balls up with their undies still intact, it happens to all of us at some point or other I go red thinking of some of the things I have done in the past, kareokee and me are not a good combination especially after a few snakebites and black. However it is what happens after it that matters. Making a mistake once is human, however learning from it is not stupid. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
28
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:03:00 -
[2670] - Quote
Revolution Rising wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:Does this mean Goonswarm are carebears now? They have been crying more them them lately. Apparently their chairman got ganked while wearing a Wizards hat and he'll never live it down. They have a lot to cry about.
I'd be crying about that smear on your face. I know some people are into scat, but don't ******* take pictures of it. |
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:03:00 -
[2671] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Tbf, I actually have a small amount of respect for Mittani atm. Not for his actions at FF, but rather the fact that he has made his apology, done all the correct steps so far, and left it at that. No falling to any baiting, or getting in to forum arguements, just accepting it & taking things as they are, and go, so far (at least, as it appears atm ) The silence you hear is the sound of Alex holding his breath and praying silently that when this is over he can still play Eve. Any sign of smugness from him at this point is pretty much a biomass sentence.
Noooo, the silence is the fact that more level-headed approaches are being properly considered before anything happens. You know, like Seleene said earlier. Anything else is pretty much a piece of conjecture. |
Danfen Fenix
Vita Aequitas Veritas The Paganism Alliance
33
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:03:00 -
[2672] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Tbf, I actually have a small amount of respect for Mittani atm. Not for his actions at FF, but rather the fact that he has made his apology, done all the correct steps so far, and left it at that. No falling to any baiting, or getting in to forum arguements, just accepting it & taking things as they are, and go, so far (at least, as it appears atm ) The silence you hear is the sound of Alex holding his breath and praying silently that when this is over he can still play Eve. Any sign of smugness from him at this point is pretty much a biomass sentence.
That may be true, but there are also so many others who would get in to arguements and make things worse Just the fact that he knows that he should stay silent, for personal gain or not, is better than the opposite. |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:04:00 -
[2673] - Quote
Yeep wrote: I think most of the actual (by which I mean rational, unselfishly motivated) disagreement is over what an appropriate consequence is.
Ultimately the room of discussion is limited. The CSM grants a certain amount of personal visibility, influence and advantages. With the perks comes responsibility, and consequence for the breach of that responsibility needs to be unforgiving.
Now that the media got its hands on this mess (and mind you the same should happens if the media didn't, as it should be a matter of principle), the only way for the CSM to keep it's credibility is to remove the offender.
Do we seriously want to be publicly represented by someone that doesn't have the slight sense necessary not to get wasted before a televised panel he has to speak at, during an all expenses paid trip? That seems a rather mindboggling idea to me. |
Garadjanalhavar Arareb
Viziam Amarr Empire
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:06:00 -
[2674] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Tbf, I actually have a small amount of respect for Mittani atm. Not for his actions at FF, but rather the fact that he has made his apology, done all the correct steps so far, and left it at that. No falling to any baiting, or getting in to forum arguements, just accepting it & taking things as they are, and go, so far (at least, as it appears atm ) The silence you hear is the sound of Alex holding his breath and praying silently that when this is over he can still play Eve. Any sign of smugness from him at this point is pretty much a biomass sentence.
Yes ...
I can see it now ...
It's strong in this one. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:07:00 -
[2675] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:Does this mean Goonswarm are carebears now? They have been crying more them them lately.
I am actually expecting (hoping) goons will go on a complete holy war against eve, suicidal throwing of ships at everything and everybody for a bit. that would just be awesome to see. No politics, no nbsi, just we are going to move in this random direction, anybody here will burn in fire.
Just because that would be epic to have. Also, during FF they said they wanted bigger fights to really push the servers.. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:08:00 -
[2676] - Quote
esc shk wrote:i am at a loss for words
Then stop posting? |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
39
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:10:00 -
[2677] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote: Do we seriously want to be publicly represented by someone that doesn't have the slight sense necessary not to get wasted before a televised panel he has to speak at, during an all expenses paid trip? That seems a rather mindboggling idea to me.
Doesn't bother me, doesn't bother ccp (have you seen oveur vids?), probably doesn't bother many who voted for him. The only issue is what he actually said. Even then If he wasn't a goon this would have blown over already.
|
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:11:00 -
[2678] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote: Do we seriously want to be publicly represented by someone that doesn't have the slight sense necessary not to get wasted before a televised panel he has to speak at, during an all expenses paid trip? That seems a rather mindboggling idea to me.
Doesn't bother me, doesn't bother ccp (have you seen oveur vids?), probably doesn't bother many who voted for him. The only issue is what he actually said. Even then If he wasn't a goon this would have blown over already.
I forgot about some of Oveur's best. I'm going to have to youtube some. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:12:00 -
[2679] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Ultimately the room of discussion is limited. The CSM grants a certain amount of personal visibility, influence and advantages. With the perks comes responsibility, and consequence for the breach of that responsibility needs to be unforgiving.
Now that the media got its hands on this mess (and mind you the same should happens if the media didn't, as it should be a matter of principle), the only way for the CSM to keep it's credibility is to remove the offender.
Do we seriously want to be publicly represented by someone that doesn't have the slight sense necessary not to get wasted before a televised panel he has to speak at, during an all expenses paid trip? That seems a rather mindboggling idea to me.
How many politicians have been caught with prossies, doing drugs, having an affair, and are still in their seats?
I'd rather be represented by someone who has made a mistake, is willing to admit it and learn from it, otherwise known as a human being, than some of the hollier than thou politicians we get. Whether or not he will learn form it is something that will have to be seen as until it is it is just conjecture that he will.
I can see both side of this argument, as I have no vested interest in either camp, and in the end what will happen will happen and we have to accept it or vote with our money. |
Tamir Lenk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:13:00 -
[2680] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:esc shk wrote:i am at a loss for words Then stop posting?
Never stop posting.
I post, therefore I am. |
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:14:00 -
[2681] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote:Ultimately the room of discussion is limited. The CSM grants a certain amount of personal visibility, influence and advantages. With the perks comes responsibility, and consequence for the breach of that responsibility needs to be unforgiving.
Now that the media got its hands on this mess (and mind you the same should happens if the media didn't, as it should be a matter of principle), the only way for the CSM to keep it's credibility is to remove the offender.
Do we seriously want to be publicly represented by someone that doesn't have the slight sense necessary not to get wasted before a televised panel he has to speak at, during an all expenses paid trip? That seems a rather mindboggling idea to me. How many politicians have been caught with prossies, doing drugs, having an affair, and are still in their seats? I'd rather be represented by someone who has made a mistake, is willing to admit it and learn from it, otherwise known as a human being, than some of the hollier than thou politicians we get. Whether or not he will learn form it is something that will have to be seen as until it is it is just conjecture that he will. I can see both side of this argument, as I have no vested interest in either camp, and in the end what will happen will happen and we have to accept it or vote with our money.
This too is a good post. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:14:00 -
[2682] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Tbf, I actually have a small amount of respect for Mittani atm. Not for his actions at FF, but rather the fact that he has made his apology, done all the correct steps so far, and left it at that. No falling to any baiting, or getting in to forum arguements, just accepting it & taking things as they are, and go, so far (at least, as it appears atm ) The silence you hear is the sound of Alex holding his breath and praying silently that when this is over he can still play Eve. Any sign of smugness from him at this point is pretty much a biomass sentence. Noooo, the silence is the fact that more level-headed approaches are being properly considered before anything happens. You know, like Seleene said earlier. Anything else is pretty much a piece of conjecture.
so true
but then his own corp/ally mates makes all that even worse for him and ccp by all this not even remotely funny posts |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
19
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:16:00 -
[2683] - Quote
Mitanni, that was a terrible apology, and so insincere.
You are only saying this to desperately try and stave off any impact it might have on your RL career in Law. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1328
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:16:00 -
[2684] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Yeep wrote: I think most of the actual (by which I mean rational, unselfishly motivated) disagreement is over what an appropriate consequence is.
Ultimately the room of discussion is limited. The CSM grants a certain amount of personal visibility, influence and advantages. With the perks comes responsibility, and consequence for the breach of that responsibility needs to be unforgiving. Now that the media got its hands on this mess (and mind you the same should happens if the media didn't, as it should be a matter of principle), the only way for the CSM to keep it's credibility is to remove the offender. Do we seriously want to be publicly represented by someone that doesn't have the slight sense necessary not to get wasted before a televised panel he has to speak at, during an all expenses paid trip? That seems a rather mindboggling idea to me.
Actually drunkeness was rather expected, may that never change. He needs to learn how to handle his liquor better though.
The only real questions are:
Are Panel members at FanFest subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums? Are CSM members subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums? If so, does this apply at all times or only when acting in their official capacity as CSM members?
If the decision that they apply to anyone speaking at FanFest in person, or at all times to people on the CSM, then the normal rules should apply. Namely a ban whose length should be determined by the circumstance by CCP.
Stepping down from his position as chairman or from the CSM entirely is another matter, but I believe those decisions would be directly affected by the decisions made above... then appropriate PUN-ishments can be determined (if any).
(See, now they are going to be all confused again).
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:16:00 -
[2685] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote:Ultimately the room of discussion is limited. The CSM grants a certain amount of personal visibility, influence and advantages. With the perks comes responsibility, and consequence for the breach of that responsibility needs to be unforgiving.
Now that the media got its hands on this mess (and mind you the same should happens if the media didn't, as it should be a matter of principle), the only way for the CSM to keep it's credibility is to remove the offender.
Do we seriously want to be publicly represented by someone that doesn't have the slight sense necessary not to get wasted before a televised panel he has to speak at, during an all expenses paid trip? That seems a rather mindboggling idea to me. How many politicians have been caught with prossies, doing drugs, having an affair, and are still in their seats? I'd rather be represented by someone who has made a mistake, is willing to admit it and learn from it, otherwise known as a human being, than some of the hollier than thou politicians we get. Whether or not he will learn form it is something that will have to be seen as until it is it is just conjecture that he will. I can see both side of this argument, as I have no vested interest in either camp, and in the end what will happen will happen and we have to accept it or vote with our money. This too is a good post.
this isnt politics and the csm isnt a democracy
ccp will do whats best for them , and imo that is the banhammer
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
39
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:17:00 -
[2686] - Quote
Sunviking wrote:That was a terrible apology, and so insincere.
You are only saying this to desperately try and stave off any impact it might have on your RL career in Law.
What career?
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xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:17:00 -
[2687] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:esc shk wrote:i am at a loss for words Then stop posting?
That would only be in the case of them having a brain with by which to assemble to usage of a communicative stream of prose that would actually contribute instead of something that would portray themselves as an asswipe. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
37
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:17:00 -
[2688] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Noooo, the silence is the fact that more level-headed approaches are being properly considered before anything happens. You know, like Seleene said earlier. Anything else is pretty much a piece of conjecture.
so true but then his own corp/ally mates makes all that even worse for him and ccp by all this not even remotely funny posts
Yeah, not sure did I post it here? But in the tweets, Seleene said a few days will be the official statements. |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:18:00 -
[2689] - Quote
I'm new to this game but can tell that if this was anyone else, they would have been banned already.
I don't get why there is so ball fondling for this mittani guy, especially after I watched the video in question from his presentation. You all have to realize he is just some meglomaniac, and that by supporting him you are just enabling him to continue to behave in a socially unacceptable manner.
A lot of you need to step away from the game and reflect on what you're really saying when you try to just let the situation blow over. I am really confused why some continue to say what happened is not noteworthy when even mittani himself has issued a public apology and reprimanded his own actions.
This incident could have been so much worse, but we were fortunate enough it wasn't. Next time, who knows. Being a troll has it's place, and that type of behavior is completely inappropriate for this incident. |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
72
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:18:00 -
[2690] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Sunviking wrote:That was a terrible apology, and so insincere.
You are only saying this to desperately try and stave off any impact it might have on your RL career in Law. What career?
No kidding. |
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Nought Prymary
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:19:00 -
[2691] - Quote
Oh God, so depressed.
Gonna OD and end it all.
The only medication I have access to is laxatives.
Wish me luck. |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:19:00 -
[2692] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote:Ultimately the room of discussion is limited. The CSM grants a certain amount of personal visibility, influence and advantages. With the perks comes responsibility, and consequence for the breach of that responsibility needs to be unforgiving.
Now that the media got its hands on this mess (and mind you the same should happens if the media didn't, as it should be a matter of principle), the only way for the CSM to keep it's credibility is to remove the offender.
Do we seriously want to be publicly represented by someone that doesn't have the slight sense necessary not to get wasted before a televised panel he has to speak at, during an all expenses paid trip? That seems a rather mindboggling idea to me. How many politicians have been caught with prossies, doing drugs, having an affair, and are still in their seats? I'd rather be represented by someone who has made a mistake, is willing to admit it and learn from it, otherwise known as a human being, than some of the hollier than thou politicians we get. Whether or not he will learn form it is something that will have to be seen as until it is it is just conjecture that he will. I can see both side of this argument, as I have no vested interest in either camp, and in the end what will happen will happen and we have to accept it or vote with our money. This too is a good post. this isnt politics and the csm isnt a democracy ccp will do whats best for them , and imo that is the banhammer
Would that include the usage of the banhammer on your illegitimate self? |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:20:00 -
[2693] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote: How many politicians have been caught with prossies, doing drugs, having an affair, and are still in their seats?
Not that many actually, especially between those that covered prominent positions, and the CSM chair is a very prominent position in its context.
[QUOTE]I'd rather be represented by someone who has made a mistake, is willing to admit it and learn from it[QUOTE]
I'd rather be represented, in a future mandate, by someone who as made a large mistake and is willing to actually face its full consequences, instead of just apologizing and hoping in getting away with it with a wirstslap. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:21:00 -
[2694] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Noooo, the silence is the fact that more level-headed approaches are being properly considered before anything happens. You know, like Seleene said earlier. Anything else is pretty much a piece of conjecture.
so true but then his own corp/ally mates makes all that even worse for him and ccp by all this not even remotely funny posts Yeah, not sure did I post it here? But in the tweets, Seleene said a few days will be the official statements.
Yeah, you've posted it. But, just to reaffirm:
Seleene GÇÅ@Seleene_EVE
OFFICIAL: The CSM are discussing recent events and will issue a public statement after a few days. #tweetfleet #EveOnline #csm7 #csm6 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1328
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:22:00 -
[2695] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote: How many politicians have been caught with prossies, doing drugs, having an affair, and are still in their seats?
Not that many actually, especially between those that covered prominent positions, and the CSM chair is a very prominent position in its context. Quote:I'd rather be represented by someone who has made a mistake, is willing to admit it and learn from it I'd rather be represented, in a future mandate, by someone who as made a large mistake and is willing to actually face its full consequences, instead of just apologizing and hoping in getting away with it with a wirstslap.
It's rather hard to accept those consequences when they are yet to be determined don't you think?
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:23:00 -
[2696] - Quote
Nought Prymary wrote:Oh God, so depressed.
Gonna OD and end it all.
The only medication I have access to is laxatives.
Wish me luck.
Well, the good news is that a few hours after taking such medications, you will share something in common with this thread, spewing forth sh!t that is out of control. |
Tamir Lenk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:23:00 -
[2697] - Quote
Nought Prymary wrote:Oh God, so depressed.
Gonna OD and end it all.
The only medication I have access to is laxatives.
Wish me luck.
**** JUST GOT REAL! |
Li Ter
Me Shoot Laser You Eye
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
[2698] - Quote
XavierVE wrote:Sang-in Tiers wrote:Is he trolling or is he not... He had a wizard hat on while talking about "The Wiz", coincidence? His apology isn't a troll, but it's not sincere either. The initial reaction of "deal with it" was much more in line with what he'd like to say. He didn't realize how far this would blow up in terms of it being covered by mainstream gaming sites and figures this meandering apology will preserve his chairmanship and his account. Knowing how CCP loves to cover for their golden boys, he's probably right.
also he knew all to well what he was doing since he created the slide of the mackinaw pilot before the alliance panel discussions ect, he knew what he was doing and he knew what he was going to say, ide still prefer if he stepped down tbh
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
[2699] - Quote
xXv1c10usXx wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote:Ultimately the room of discussion is limited. The CSM grants a certain amount of personal visibility, influence and advantages. With the perks comes responsibility, and consequence for the breach of that responsibility needs to be unforgiving.
Now that the media got its hands on this mess (and mind you the same should happens if the media didn't, as it should be a matter of principle), the only way for the CSM to keep it's credibility is to remove the offender.
Do we seriously want to be publicly represented by someone that doesn't have the slight sense necessary not to get wasted before a televised panel he has to speak at, during an all expenses paid trip? That seems a rather mindboggling idea to me. How many politicians have been caught with prossies, doing drugs, having an affair, and are still in their seats? I'd rather be represented by someone who has made a mistake, is willing to admit it and learn from it, otherwise known as a human being, than some of the hollier than thou politicians we get. Whether or not he will learn form it is something that will have to be seen as until it is it is just conjecture that he will. I can see both side of this argument, as I have no vested interest in either camp, and in the end what will happen will happen and we have to accept it or vote with our money. This too is a good post. this isnt politics and the csm isnt a democracy ccp will do whats best for them , and imo that is the banhammer Would that include the usage of the banhammer on your illegitimate self?
lol if i did something even remotly like this , i would be suspennded already , or banned
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Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:26:00 -
[2700] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:this isnt politics and the csm isnt a democracy
ccp will do whats best for them , and imo that is the banhammer
You are both correct and incorrect in this . He was elected after all, though the company makes it technically a dictatorship.
Yes CCP will do what they see as appropriate, however your opinion of what it should be, and mine as well, is irrelevant to the matter. If he has broken whatever he has to agree to in his position he sould and I think will be sanctioned. However if he hasn't then no sanction shold be implimented. |
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Ai Shun
430
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:27:00 -
[2701] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Actually drunkeness was rather expected, may that never change. He needs to learn how to handle his liquor better though.
The only real questions are:
Are Panel members at FanFest subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums? Are CSM members subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums? If so, does this apply at all times or only when acting in their official capacity as CSM members?
If the decision that they apply to anyone speaking at FanFest in person, or at all times to people on the CSM, then the normal rules should apply. Namely a ban whose length should be determined by the circumstance by CCP.
Stepping down from his position as chairman or from the CSM entirely is another matter, but I believe those decisions would be directly affected by the decisions made above... then appropriate PUN-ishments can be determined (if any).
(See, now they are going to be all confused again).
:laughs: Probably very confused. But it makes me wonder, we have a number of forum warriors pushing both sides of the equation here. I've already done what I felt was necessary in this situation. Now I'm more annoyed at the arrogance of Goonswarm and the way they are using numbers and 4chan style posting to try and drown out any criticism. I feel they have CCP by the balls and I'm interested in seeing what is going to come out of this.
So, my questions:
1) Is there anybody outraged by the actions of the Mittani who are voting with their money? 2) How would they handle the situation if they ever found themselves in his position?
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:28:00 -
[2702] - Quote
Li Ter wrote:XavierVE wrote:Sang-in Tiers wrote:Is he trolling or is he not... He had a wizard hat on while talking about "The Wiz", coincidence? His apology isn't a troll, but it's not sincere either. The initial reaction of "deal with it" was much more in line with what he'd like to say. He didn't realize how far this would blow up in terms of it being covered by mainstream gaming sites and figures this meandering apology will preserve his chairmanship and his account. Knowing how CCP loves to cover for their golden boys, he's probably right. also he knew all to well what he was doing since he created the slide of the mackinaw pilot before the alliance panel discussions ect, he knew what he was doing and he knew what he was going to say, ide still prefer if he stepped down tbh
Again, not excusing, it was still wrong; but I wish I had the crystal ball you're suggesting; I'd have avoided hitting on so many people with one! |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:29:00 -
[2703] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:esc shk wrote:i am at a loss for words Then stop posting?
Never stop posting. |
Infinimo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
425
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:30:00 -
[2704] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:esc shk wrote:i am at a loss for words Then stop posting? Never stop posting. or emptyquoting Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~
10,058 |
Mana Potion
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:30:00 -
[2705] - Quote
I guess what bugs me is that none of these people that are complaining, have anything to do with the situation... they are just jumping up and down because they have some preconceived notion about the Mittani. None of these "I don't accept your apology" responses mean a damn thing. |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:30:00 -
[2706] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: It's rather hard to accept those consequences when they are yet to be determined don't you think?
See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for.
If he doesn't have the integrity and responsibility to do so, then the CSM or CCP will have to take that decision for him. Of course that'll look much worse.
If that won't happen, the EVE community will suffer a further image damage, as it'll be seen as the community represented by someone capable to act in such an aberrant way. The EVE community is already stigmatized as an unwelcoming and ruthless one, but so far that image has been limited to the in-game aspect. Letting it publicly bleed to the out-of-game is very, very dangerous ground.
As someone that's part of the gaming press, I know quite well that there are quite a few colleagues with all sorts of articles in store. The only way for the game and the community to avoid that kind of negative press is for them to distance themselves radically from the perpetrator, if he doesn't act responsibly by distancing himself. |
xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
[2707] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Actually drunkeness was rather expected, may that never change. He needs to learn how to handle his liquor better though.
The only real questions are:
Are Panel members at FanFest subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums? Are CSM members subject to the same restrictions on what they can say as people are in game or on the forums? If so, does this apply at all times or only when acting in their official capacity as CSM members?
If the decision that they apply to anyone speaking at FanFest in person, or at all times to people on the CSM, then the normal rules should apply. Namely a ban whose length should be determined by the circumstance by CCP.
Stepping down from his position as chairman or from the CSM entirely is another matter, but I believe those decisions would be directly affected by the decisions made above... then appropriate PUN-ishments can be determined (if any).
(See, now they are going to be all confused again). :laughs: Probably very confused. But it makes me wonder, we have a number of forum warriors pushing both sides of the equation here. I've already done what I felt was necessary in this situation. Now I'm more annoyed at the arrogance of Goonswarm and the way they are using numbers and 4chan style posting to try and drown out any criticism. I feel they have CCP by the balls and I'm interested in seeing what is going to come out of this. So, my questions: 1) Is there anybody outraged by the actions of the Mittani who are voting with their money? 2) How would they handle the situation if they ever found themselves in his position?
Answer 1) Yeh, they are buying more accounts to post with, and no, I am not referring to Goons, only those hiding behind new alts posting in support of the Bull Sh!t... DUH!!! Answer2) Switch to missionary, doggy style gets boring. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
[2708] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: It's rather hard to accept those consequences when they are yet to be determined don't you think?
See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for. If he doesn't have the integrity and responsibility to do so, then the CSM or CCP will have to take that decision for him. Of course that'll look much worse. If that won't happen, the EVE community will suffer a further image damage, as it'll be seen as the community represented by someone capable to act in such an aberrant way. The EVE community is already stigmatized as an unwelcoming and ruthless one, but so far that image has been limited to the in-game aspect. Letting it publicly bleed to the out-of-game is very, very dangerous ground. As someone that's part of the gaming press, I know quite well that there are quite a few colleagues with all sorts of articles in store. The only way for the game and the community to avoid that kind of negative press is for them to distance themselves radically from the perpetrator, if he doesn't act responsibly by distancing himself.
Unfortunately we don't know that such decisions have already been made, either. Hence the need for patience on all of this; throwing more fuel on the fire isn't going to put it out any quicker. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
[2709] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote: How many politicians have been caught with prossies, doing drugs, having an affair, and are still in their seats?
Not that many actually, especially between those that covered prominent positions, and the CSM chair is a very prominent position in its context.
Clinton, a number of MPs in the UK either having affairs, voting against certain legislation even when they theselves are in the closet seeing rent boys, the PM of an EU country or two. I could go on.
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Quote:I'd rather be represented by someone who has made a mistake, is willing to admit it and learn from it I'd rather be represented, in a future mandate, by someone who as made a large mistake and is willing to actually face its full consequences, instead of just apologizing and hoping in getting away with it with a wirstslap.
Your presumptpon is that he has broken whatever someone in his position has to agree to and so will be sanctioned for that behvaiour. Then if he is deserving of a sanction that he will not get it.
If that is a slap on the wrist as you call it is immaterial, the punishment has to match what is stated to happen in such a situation, which may not be a ban, it could be a suspension. Anything beyond what the policies are in such a case become vengence and is not the right way to go. |
Mana Potion
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:32:00 -
[2710] - Quote
"lets just hold another election... see if Mittens gets the same outcome. "
yep this is a ridiculous idea. just like all the other asinine comments that come before it. |
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:34:00 -
[2711] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote: See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for.
The world would be a lot better place if there were less kneejerk resignations from people who are otherwise very good at their jobs. How many talented and dedicated politicians have we lost to affairs? |
The D1ngo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:35:00 -
[2712] - Quote
Nought Prymary wrote:Oh God, so depressed.
Gonna OD and end it all.
The only medication I have access to is laxatives.
Wish me luck.
Don't do it!!! A life is a terrible thing to waste.
I am sure if you think really hard there is someone that would miss you. Find that one person and see if they will talk to you about your issues.
I saw earlier that CCP has a suicide hotline that you can use if talking to your Mom (if that is who is at the top of the basement stairs) doesn't help.
If you are feeling down, I am sorry.
Ending your life w/ laxatives is a shltty way to go. I repeat call the hotline!!!!!
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:35:00 -
[2713] - Quote
Mana Potion wrote:I guess what bugs me is that none of these people that are complaining, have anything to do with the situation... they are just jumping up and down because they have some preconceived notion about the Mittani. None of these "I don't accept your apology" responses mean a damn thing.
if all else fails , read his own post ...
he (and me, and many other ) thinks such behavior is not acceptable
and he will resign, with is a move i honor
no need to defense him , he already has accepted his error and the consequences resulting out of it
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Jita Alt666
963
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:36:00 -
[2714] - Quote
Lets keep posting so this thread overtakes the WIS thread and thus demonstrates that players are more interested in space drama than dressing up. |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:36:00 -
[2715] - Quote
I'm embarassed to tell people I play this game now |
Alaxen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:37:00 -
[2716] - Quote
L00B wrote:So you missed the part where it was the ALLIANCE presentations? Shocking that something missed your laser intellect and complete understanding of events. Since you think the panel was a CSM thing, let's just hammer a bit here, smash that bit in there... ahh! That's better, now reality suits your version of events!
Alexander Gianturco aka The Mittani aka Mittens aka Goonswarm Leader aka CSM Chair etc etc.
It's all the same guy. He's just desperately trying to sacrifice one of his personas off so that he can save the others. "I was drunk! That wasn't the real me! I'm a nice guy the rest of the time! Erm...".
Or are we now saying that he's a sociopath, sadist and has multiple personality disorder?
He's been acting this way for years. A leopard doesn't change its spots overnight, no matter how many nice words he can come up with. Is it more likely he suddenly realized how much harm he was causing other people, or how much damage he had caused himself? Even though he's spent years torturing others for his own amusement, he suddenly realizes *now* that this is a bad thing? This epiphany is just coincidence? Really?
He's just looking out for himself. Same as ever. All he's interested in right now is damage mitigation. Minimizing the consequences of his unfortunate actions. That's all. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:38:00 -
[2717] - Quote
Voull wrote:I'm new to this game but can tell that if this was anyone else, they would have been banned already.
Perhaps you should refrain from posting opinions until you are less new to this game?
I have been told on forums to, quote, "drink bleach", end of quote and the poster wasn't banned.
Of course, not in a single moment have I thought that "drink bleach" bore any in-game semantic, nor that the person, who said that, actually wanted me to perform this action in real life.
Of course, I'm also a political nobody, so there wasn't anyone to blow everything out of the proportion across the nerd news sites and try to extract some political dividends from that. |
Von Mellenthin
Air EVE Napalm Sticks To Kids
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:38:00 -
[2718] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote: See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for.
The world would be a lot better place if there were less kneejerk resignations from people who are otherwise very good at their jobs. How many talented and dedicated politicians have we lost to affairs?
A product of the zero-defect society we live in now. Have to remember we are all human and some of us like to drink beer. |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:40:00 -
[2719] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Voull wrote:I'm new to this game but can tell that if this was anyone else, they would have been banned already. Perhaps you should refrain from posting opinions until you are less new to this game?
I don't have to be a veteran of EVE to be able to tell this mittani guy has issues |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:40:00 -
[2720] - Quote
Voull wrote:I'm embarassed to tell people I play this game now If you are going to quit, could I perhaps get your isk and any other assets you wish to part with? I'll put em to to good use.
I for one am glad to tell people I play this game. It's the only MMO that remotely has a community like this, that are not afraid to take a stand on any issue or any side of an issue. It's one of the many reasons I love and will continue to play this game.
My only regret is that I sold some characters that I never should have sold, and never should have taken "I quit" breaks, because those are pointless. The game is just too good to quit, no matter what issues or what have you come up. |
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Jita Alt666
963
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:40:00 -
[2721] - Quote
Von Mellenthin wrote:Yeep wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote: See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for.
The world would be a lot better place if there were less kneejerk resignations from people who are otherwise very good at their jobs. How many talented and dedicated politicians have we lost to affairs? A product of the zero-defect society we live in now. Have to remember we are all human and some of us like to drink beer.
and say dumb ****
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Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:41:00 -
[2722] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote: Unfortunately we don't know that such decisions have already been made, either. Hence the need for patience on all of this; throwing more fuel on the fire isn't going to put it out any quicker.
That's exactly the problem. Those decisions shouldn't be needed. A representative worthy of any degree of respect would have already took the decision by himself.
As for putting the fire out, i'm sure many have a vested interest in that outcome, but that would be no diffeerent than sweeping the problem under the carpet. I know for a fact that a portion of the gaming press can't wait for that outcome. I can already imagine the headlines.
Mittani himself has never looked like someone interested in putting out fires, quite the opposite, apparently that doesn't apply when he's the one on fire. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:45:00 -
[2723] - Quote
Von Mellenthin wrote:A product of the zero-defect society we live in now. Have to remember we are all human and some of us like to drink beer.
Yet the people we vote to represent us are and must be held to a higher standard than the rest of society as they are there to make decisions that can affect our lives for a long time to come, whether that is real world or game lives. they should also know to control themselves in public situation.
However when they do make a mistake an appology should be given and they should show they have learnt form it. This shows some level of strength of character. If however they repeat it again and agina then they need to step down. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:48:00 -
[2724] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:L00B wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Its about the next person that might not be stable enough to not be pushed to far.
Try actually reading my posts.
Oh, we're reading them. You're talking about defending someone that may or may not exist, but may definitely exist in some version of the future that has or has not come true yet. In other words, it's hypothetical bullshit. In other words, if you were in charge of CCP's legal dept, you would wait until we have an actual dead body before taking any sort of unnecessary and irreversible action...
I think you might be onto something. Lets go with this. |
Inovy Dacella
Proper Villains
13
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:48:00 -
[2725] - Quote
Nothing can save him from being banned, just read this article and you'll see why. Before he apologized he wrote "deal with it". He did not stop digging even after the scandal. He is totally arrogant about the whole issue.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/26/ccp-investigates-player-panel-that-encouraged-cyber-bullying/ |
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:49:00 -
[2726] - Quote
Has anyone else noticed how quiet CCP is about this. One would think an investigation involving life footage with CCP employees standing watch would be rather easily concluded.
Regardless of the strings that might have been pulled to extract this apology, it seems this matter is closed now.
Signature added by Adalun Dey. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:49:00 -
[2727] - Quote
Did you have to get someone to read that article to you because you're clearly incapable of reading the first post in this thread. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:50:00 -
[2728] - Quote
Adalun Dey wrote:Has anyone else noticed how quiet CCP is about this. One would think an investigation involving life footage with CCP employees standing watch would be rather easily concluded.
Regardless of the strings that might have been pulled to extract this apology, it seems this matter is closed now.
Quiet apart from that one ISD dude plastering the guy being harassed's name all over the login screen. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
65
|
Posted - 2012.03.27 22:51:00 -
[2729] - Quote
Adalun Dey wrote:Has anyone else noticed how quiet CCP is about this. One would think an investigation involving life footage with CCP employees standing watch would be rather easily concluded.
Regardless of the strings that might have been pulled to extract this apology, it seems this matter is closed now.
Sometimes silence is an answer.
Personally, I'd prefer that CCP don't get involved directly unless they have to. This is a community event about a community-elected official's conduct, so let the community sort it out. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:52:00 -
[2730] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Adalun Dey wrote:Has anyone else noticed how quiet CCP is about this. One would think an investigation involving life footage with CCP employees standing watch would be rather easily concluded.
Regardless of the strings that might have been pulled to extract this apology, it seems this matter is closed now.
Quiet apart from that one ISD dude plastering the guy being harassed's name all over the login screen.
yeah, but to do so, he would have had to have given the ISD permission. Personal experience with the news, they gotta ask you if it is alright to reference you before they put the name in. |
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Mana Potion
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:52:00 -
[2731] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Mana Potion wrote:I guess what bugs me is that none of these people that are complaining, have anything to do with the situation... they are just jumping up and down because they have some preconceived notion about the Mittani. None of these "I don't accept your apology" responses mean a damn thing. if all else fails , read his own post ... he (and me, and many other ) thinks such behavior is not acceptable and he will resign, with is a move i honor no need to defense him , he already has accepted his error and the consequences resulting out of it
And this directly effects you how? Don't bother I can pretty much guess how much you have riding on this situation...
Literally nothing from this situation directly effects you. Who cares whether you think its something you believe is best. You don't matter in the issue. |
Tyke Orlieveit
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:53:00 -
[2732] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote: See, the problem is that a representative deserving of my respect would have already determined ad issued those consequences by himself. That's what resigning is for.
The world would be a lot better place if there were less kneejerk resignations from people who are otherwise very good at their jobs. How many talented and dedicated politicians have we lost to affairs? Edit: And how about we ask HP how they're doing since firing their CEO over his affair?
I agree, but the problem is that if they are proven unethical ( Let's not start on the who votes for what goatfuck of a policy this week depending what their paymasters demand for now.. ) by the unfaithfulness, then due to the morals imprinted on us and drilled in, they are deemed a "Bad Person" and "Untrustworthy", I mean the mainstream media eats this **** up when someone their paper is aligned against screws up.
I see politics and politicians as nothing more than a expensive, and crippled version of Kindergarten, and a detriment to progress at best. I wish I knew a better way that would actually work.
Start actually making Long Term Plans that will survive your election, that are Good Ideas that will benefit everyone, show them the figures, and prove it.. and you'll still get **** on because they will manipulate an image of you and misquote as they don't like you. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:54:00 -
[2733] - Quote
Voull wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Voull wrote:I'm new to this game but can tell that if this was anyone else, they would have been banned already. Perhaps you should refrain from posting opinions until you are less new to this game? I don't have to be a veteran of EVE to be able to tell this mittani guy has issues
Perhaps yes, perhaps not, but this is not what you said.
You said "[I] can tell that if this was anyone else, they would have been banned already.", which is entirely different, isn't it ?
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:54:00 -
[2734] - Quote
Voull wrote:I'm embarassed to tell people I play this game now
Good, maybe we will get less whiners that way.
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:57:00 -
[2735] - Quote
Mana Potion wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Mana Potion wrote:I guess what bugs me is that none of these people that are complaining, have anything to do with the situation... they are just jumping up and down because they have some preconceived notion about the Mittani. None of these "I don't accept your apology" responses mean a damn thing. if all else fails , read his own post ... he (and me, and many other ) thinks such behavior is not acceptable and he will resign, with is a move i honor no need to defense him , he already has accepted his error and the consequences resulting out of it And this directly effects you how? Don't bother I can pretty much guess how much you have riding on this situation... Literally nothing from this situation directly effects you. Who cares whether you think its something you believe is best. You don't matter in the issue.
he (and ME, and many other ) thinks such behavior is not acceptable
should i stfu when i find something not acceptable ?
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Dismas Ofstedal
Blueprint Haus Get Off My Lawn
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:57:00 -
[2736] - Quote
Everybody who disapproves of you and says so is a bully just like everyone who commits a criminal act is now a terrorist.
Welcome to a brave new world of fear and insecurity.
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:58:00 -
[2737] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Voull wrote:I'm embarassed to tell people I play this game now Good, maybe we will get less whiners that way.
No dice. Just about everyone I've shown it to thought that even the public apology was going too far for what was said and they're subbing up to support him. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:59:00 -
[2738] - Quote
Mana Potion wrote: And this directly effects you how? Don't bother I can pretty much guess how much you have riding on this situation...
Literally nothing from this situation directly effects you. Who cares whether you think its something you believe is best. You don't matter in the issue.
Can be said for both sides of the arguement. It affects him in the same way it affects you and it affects me. On a personal level, nothing. But on an eve wide scale, negative rep is bad for eve, and as such, bad for eve development, bad for all in eve equally. For you, and everybody else in the Goon coalition, the worst extra effect would be fall of goonswarms. But now to quote many from the coalition.
It is only internet space ship computer pixels, big deal.
As such, it won't affect the gameplay in the slightest bit more for goon coalition members. Same thing he has, is the same thing you have, same thing I have. Don't want to see it negatively affect ccp.
Edit: Exception would be if you are RL friends/associates and this is having RL repurcussions. In those cases, statement redacted. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:59:00 -
[2739] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Mana Potion wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Mana Potion wrote:I guess what bugs me is that none of these people that are complaining, have anything to do with the situation... they are just jumping up and down because they have some preconceived notion about the Mittani. None of these "I don't accept your apology" responses mean a damn thing. if all else fails , read his own post ... he (and me, and many other ) thinks such behavior is not acceptable and he will resign, with is a move i honor no need to defense him , he already has accepted his error and the consequences resulting out of it And this directly effects you how? Don't bother I can pretty much guess how much you have riding on this situation... Literally nothing from this situation directly effects you. Who cares whether you think its something you believe is best. You don't matter in the issue. he (and ME, and many other ) thinks such behavior is not acceptable should i stfu when i find something not acceptable ?
Who are you? |
Jita Alt666
964
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:59:00 -
[2740] - Quote
Tyke Orlieveit wrote: I see politics and politicians as nothing more than a expensive, and crippled version of Kindergarten, and a detriment to progress at best. I wish I knew a better way that would actually work.
Paraphrased: Politics/Politicians are a detriment to progress. They are the best way to make any progress I can think of.
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Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:02:00 -
[2741] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Sometimes silence is an answer.
Personally, I'd prefer that CCP don't get involved directly unless they have to. This is a community event about a community-elected official's conduct, so let the community sort it out.
If CCP claims to launch an investigation I would consider that to be rather direct involvement. It's the not following up and the sudden apology that makes me wonder the sincerity of it.
I saw the footage a moment ago and though a line was crossed, it's probably not deserving of this level of drama either. Signature added by Adalun Dey. |
Mana Potion
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:03:00 -
[2742] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Mana Potion wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Mana Potion wrote:I guess what bugs me is that none of these people that are complaining, have anything to do with the situation... they are just jumping up and down because they have some preconceived notion about the Mittani. None of these "I don't accept your apology" responses mean a damn thing. if all else fails , read his own post ... he (and me, and many other ) thinks such behavior is not acceptable and he will resign, with is a move i honor no need to defense him , he already has accepted his error and the consequences resulting out of it And this directly effects you how? Don't bother I can pretty much guess how much you have riding on this situation... Literally nothing from this situation directly effects you. Who cares whether you think its something you believe is best. You don't matter in the issue. he (and ME, and many other ) thinks such behavior is not acceptable should i stfu when i find something not acceptable ?
Nope. You (and him and many others like you) should stop beating a dead horse... |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:04:00 -
[2743] - Quote
Ok guys. I figured out a solution to this entire dilemma.
It's really simple actually. It's fair, just and lets everyone provide their input and have their say.
If you really, truly, deeply honestly believe that The Mittani was wrong by what he said while drunk at a party in Iceland do this:
Don't vote for him when he runs for CSM 8.
If the majority of the player base don't like him, well hey, he won't get in and everything will be sunshine and rainbows.
That sounds fair doesn't it? |
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:07:00 -
[2744] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:If the majority of the player base don't like him, well hey, he won't get in and everything will be sunshine and rainbows.
That sounds fair doesn't it?
What happened to the lollipops? Signature added by Adalun Dey. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:07:00 -
[2745] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:Doddy wrote:Voull wrote:I'm embarassed to tell people I play this game now Good, maybe we will get less whiners that way. No dice. Just about everyone I've shown it to thought that even the public apology was going too far for what was said and they're subbing up to support him.
Don't spend all that Moon goo in one place....Mittens may need it for Damage control.....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:08:00 -
[2746] - Quote
Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
43
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:10:00 -
[2747] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused.
Titans are still getting nerfed bro
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:10:00 -
[2748] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Don't spend all that Moon goo in one place....Mittens may need it for Damage control.....
*Note going to use a goon term, just because it fits statment
Would that be a T2 DC cause real men pubbie tank? |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:10:00 -
[2749] - Quote
Adalun Dey wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Sometimes silence is an answer.
Personally, I'd prefer that CCP don't get involved directly unless they have to. This is a community event about a community-elected official's conduct, so let the community sort it out. If CCP claims to launch an investigation I would consider that to be rather direct involvement. It's the not following up and the sudden apology that makes me wonder the sincerity of it. From a logical standpoint, there's no reason to think the two are in any way related. There's no evidence that CCP is in any way behind this "apology".
From the language CCP used, I get the impression that their "investigation" is more to do with their own employee conduct. Notice how when Mittani starts the giving-out-the-name-to-be-harassed part, the CCP employee present tries to regain control of the situation? I bet they're investigating their own handling of the incident and how to prevent another "Mittanigate" in future FanFests, not anything regarding Mittani directly.
Purely speculation of course, but it seems logical to me.
Quote:I saw the footage a moment ago and though a line was crossed, it's probably not deserving of this level of drama either. Again, from a purely logical standpoint he broke no rules that I'm aware of. I'm trying to keep my own personal opinion out of my discussion(s) on this topic, since they're both irrelevant and potentially dangerous. I did go on record saying that I thought he should apologize though, which he has done. I doubt the sincerity of it, but the first thing I learned about this game and the people who play it is that you can trust absolutely no one at face value...and Mittani is already known to not be trustworthy. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:11:00 -
[2750] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Ok guys. I figured out a solution to this entire dilemma.
It's really simple actually. It's fair, just and lets everyone provide their input and have their say.
If you really, truly, deeply honestly believe that The Mittani was wrong by what he said while drunk at a party in Iceland do this:
Don't vote for him when he runs for CSM 8.
If the majority of the player base don't like him, well hey, he won't get in and everything will be sunshine and rainbows.
That sounds fair doesn't it?
I'm sorry, I don't have direct access to endless Moon-goo with which to buy alt accounts. Would you mind spreading some around so that we can all rig the vote?
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
95
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:11:00 -
[2751] - Quote
Doddy wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused. Titans are still getting nerfed bro That has nothing to do with this, quit trying to distract from the main issue at hand. You forum trolls are not that funny really. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:11:00 -
[2752] - Quote
Adalun Dey wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:If the majority of the player base don't like him, well hey, he won't get in and everything will be sunshine and rainbows.
That sounds fair doesn't it? What happened to the lollipops?
What lollipops?..../hides the Chuppa-Chups wrappers under the cats. |
Korsiri
Mousetrap Building Inc.
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:12:00 -
[2753] - Quote
People **** up. That's why they're people. I for one have absolutely said stupid **** I'd wished I'd never said. Happily I didn't get up drunk in front of a ton of people who also happened to then post it on the internet when Id done so.
Not my place to judge or get revenge (that'd be the place of the one actually insulted); the role of public embare-assment has done its work.
Now someone else do something ******* stupid so we can have new drama and get on with our lives. |
Tyke Orlieveit
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:12:00 -
[2754] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Tyke Orlieveit wrote: I see politics and politicians as nothing more than a expensive, and crippled version of Kindergarten, and a detriment to progress at best. I wish I knew a better way that would actually work.
Paraphrased: Politics/Politicians are a detriment to progress. They are the best way to make any progress I can think of.
I wish I could believe that. :) |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:13:00 -
[2755] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused.
Do you have literally everyone else in this thread on ignore because you just seem to pop in, make a random, moronic comment with no relevance to the current topic of discussion then leave.
Also I'm still only seeing 4 minor articles about this on a google news search for eve or eve fanfest and nothing outside the gaming press and the comments are mixed. I'd hardly call that a PR disaster. |
Krutoj
xSPECNAZx
144
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:14:00 -
[2756] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused.
I still look awesome, thank you very much. Also Eve-O only looks bad to those who dont know it or understand it. Refer to Sandbox.. |
Akelorian
FinFleet Raiden.
32
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:14:00 -
[2757] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Doddy wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused. Titans are still getting nerfed bro That has nothing to do with this, quit trying to distract from the main issue at hand. You forum trolls are not that funny really.
I guess the CFC didn't get the memo, too busy white knighting The Mittani |
Tyke Orlieveit
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:15:00 -
[2758] - Quote
*Ignore, Double Post FTL.* |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
101
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:15:00 -
[2759] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused. I still look awesome, thank you very much. Also Eve-O only looks bad to those who dont know it or understand it. Refer to Sandbox.. So how's that investigation going? |
Ai Shun
432
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:16:00 -
[2760] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:If you really, truly, deeply honestly believe that The Mittani was wrong by what he said while drunk at a party in Iceland do this
Let me remind you he did not make his PowerPoint presentation while drunk in Iceland
Magnus Orin wrote:Don't vote for him when he runs for CSM 8.
I have a better idea. Everyone that is upset by this, band together and destroy the Goonswarm. Obliterate them. And if you can't handle the thought of harming a precious little flower in EVE Online, vote with your wallet and walk away. |
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:17:00 -
[2761] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Ok guys. I figured out a solution to this entire dilemma.
It's really simple actually. It's fair, just and lets everyone provide their input and have their say.
If you really, truly, deeply honestly believe that The Mittani was wrong by what he said while drunk at a party in Iceland do this:
Don't vote for him when he runs for CSM 8.
If the majority of the player base don't like him, well hey, he won't get in and everything will be sunshine and rainbows.
That sounds fair doesn't it?
WI used to be such a cool alliance what happened? diminished to a pet corp.
Alexander has been dumb hes going to have to take his medicine. Maybe if he hadnt whored himself to every gaming site doing interviews and presenting himself as the face of the Eve player base the medicine wouldnt taste so bad. Maybe if his ego hadnt been so puffed up with self importance by his percieved role people would be more sympathetic.
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:18:00 -
[2762] - Quote
Yeep wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused. Do you have literally everyone else in this thread on ignore because you just seem to pop in, make a random, moronic comment with no relevance to the current topic of discussion then leave. Also I'm still only seeing 4 minor articles about this on a google news search for eve or eve fanfest and nothing outside the gaming press and the comments are mixed. I'd hardly call that a PR disaster.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87322&find=unread
thats a bit old and the comments arnt mixed
dunno if it leaked outside gaming press sofar , but as soon as one picks it up it will spread
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
184
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:19:00 -
[2763] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Doddy wrote:Voull wrote:I'm embarassed to tell people I play this game now Good, maybe we will get less whiners that way. No dice. Just about everyone I've shown it to thought that even the public apology was going too far for what was said and they're subbing up to support him. Don't spend all that Moon goo in one place....Mittens may need it for Damage control..... If I were getting plex out of moon mining I sure wouldn't be supporting the nerfing of tech as much as I do. That's just stupid and irrational. This may be some sort of shock, but there are people who pay for their accounts.
~page 139~ |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
500
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:21:00 -
[2764] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittens has aroused.
the whole incident is just profit for ccp. The headlines brought tons of exposure that advertising wouldnt have. not to mention it paints eve as a brutal place, and thats exactly what attracted me to the game in the first place.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
35
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:23:00 -
[2765] - Quote
So what happened exactly? Mittani mocked a guy in RL... no, strike my last, he mocked him on a game-related convention in RL for something he did to him in the game. That's a little low, but no big deal really.
Don't you dare resign over this. Even though I agree that two step would probably be a good chairman too. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:24:00 -
[2766] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens has aroused. the whole incident is just profit for ccp. The headlines brought tons of exposure that advertising wouldnt have. not to mention it paints eve as a brutal place, and thats exactly what attracted me to the game in the first place.
if this all would be an ingame issue we wouldnt be here
but this is RL stuff , you know somthing outside your room
if you want a brutal place outside of eve .... im sure you know where to go, i would and was there
still like it better in RL safe and nice
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:25:00 -
[2767] - Quote
Every one of those articles has the Eurogamer article as it's primary source, which cites Twitter as it's primary source, forgive me for not considering them serious news outlets. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:26:00 -
[2768] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Every one of those articles has the Eurogamer article as it's primary source, which cites Twitter as it's primary source, forgive me for not considering them serious news outlets.
thats up to you
but its all over the gaming sites ..
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
40
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:27:00 -
[2769] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:So what happened exactly? Mittani mocked a guy in RL... no, strike my last, he mocked him on a game-related convention in RL for something he did to him in the game. That's a little low, but no big deal really.
Don't you dare resign over this. Even though I agree that two step would probably be a good chairman too.
Sum up, he had too many drinks prior and during the alliance board presentation at fanfest. During which, he brought quotes of "carebear tears". This in itself is not the bad part, but mentioned suicide and during the Q&A on the stream, he said people should make him kill himself, gave the user name and told people to grief. Sarcasm, but EULA issues, people having stronger opinions, etc |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:27:00 -
[2770] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Every one of those articles has the Eurogamer article as it's primary source, which cites Twitter as it's primary source, forgive me for not considering them serious news outlets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model
1st stage. |
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:27:00 -
[2771] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:if you want a brutal place outside of eve .... im sure you know where to go, i would and was there
You're adorable. |
Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:27:00 -
[2772] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused. I still look awesome, thank you very much. Also Eve-O only looks bad to those who dont know it or understand it. Refer to Sandbox.. Just to be clear, you don't care about growing the playerbase? Awesome, glad your on the CSM. That attitude will really be helpful when DUST launches. You DO want DUST to fail, right?
No matter what you feel about Mittani or what he said, don't forget DUST comes out pretty soon. I for one would like it to be the best damn FPS on PS3 (and I don't even own a ****station) because I love EVE, and I want what CCP showed us at FanFest. You know, all that sexy DX11 tech and whatnot. This flamewar is getting absurd, and while I originally posted my opinions, it's an internal matter for CCP, and whatever is said for and against Mittens retaining the Chair won't matter in the end. Just because CCP stroked your ego at FanFest, does not mean you Goons own the game. Be proud while you can, but don't fly too close to the sun, that epeen of yours might just melt. |
Ai Shun
435
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:28:00 -
[2773] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Every one of those articles has the Eurogamer article as it's primary source, which cites Twitter as it's primary source, forgive me for not considering them serious news outlets.
Fortunately it is 2012 and most gamers will find their gaming related news from sites such as those, blogs and other discussion portals. A few of the more prominent MMO bloggers have picked it up as well. I don't think this is something that will be picked up by the mainstream media though. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
166
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:28:00 -
[2774] - Quote
First ever high level wizard ganked in eve online.
You saw it here first folks.
My EVE YouTube Channel |
Terminal Insanity
The Filthy Ones
503
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:29:00 -
[2775] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote: if this all would be an ingame issue we wouldnt be here
but this is RL stuff , you know somthing outside your room
if you want a brutal place outside of eve .... im sure you know where to go, i would and was there
still like it better in RL safe and nice
it is an ingame issue. it was said at an event where they're encouraged to talk about their game life. Its hard to completely seperate your ingame character with real life personality sometimes. What is said on teamspeak isnt in game. does that mean when i say i'm going to go kill that guy on teamspeak i'm threatening his real life body? No.
And the only reason you're all here is because you're abusing The Wis's personal problems for your own selfish reasons. namely, to remove mittani from csm like you've all been trying and plotting to do for years.
you've all abused the wis, and exposed him to far more ridicule then mittani ever did. "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Volgram
Imperium Immortalis
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:29:00 -
[2776] - Quote
I forgive you, Alex Gianturco.
I hope that the rest of the community can do the same.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1330
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:31:00 -
[2777] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:Voull wrote:I'm embarassed to tell people I play this game now If you are going to quit, could I perhaps get your isk and any other assets you wish to part with? I'll put em to to good use. I for one am glad to tell people I play this game. It's the only MMO that remotely has a community like this, that are not afraid to take a stand on any issue or any side of an issue. It's one of the many reasons I love and will continue to play this game. My only regret is that I sold some characters that I never should have sold, and never should have taken "I quit" breaks, because those are pointless. The game is just too good to quit, no matter what issues or what have you come up.
In fact, the only result this ridiculous little dust devil of pompous outrage over a drunken joke is accomplishing is tarnishing EVEs "You have to be tough, thick skinned, and ruthless to play EVE" reputation.
Instead you are making the EVE community look like a bunch of Second Life rejects with delusions of grandeur, while patting yourself on the back for "bringing to justice" a "psychopath" whose only crime was to get drunk and make a bad joke that tortured the victim enough to force him to remark the equivalent of "I've been Cyber what-ed?"
It's being dealt with by those affected, everything else is just an attention grab. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:31:00 -
[2778] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:Krutoj wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused. I still look awesome, thank you very much. Also Eve-O only looks bad to those who dont know it or understand it. Refer to Sandbox.. Just to be clear, you don't care about growing the playerbase? Awesome, glad your on the CSM. That attitude will really be helpful when DUST launches. You DO want DUST to fail, right? No matter what you feel about Mittani or what he said, don't forget DUST comes out pretty soon. I for one would like it to be the best damn FPS on PS3 (and I don't even own a ****station) because I love EVE, and I want what CCP showed us at FanFest. You know, all that sexy DX11 tech and whatnot. This flamewar is getting absurd, and while I originally posted my opinions, it's an internal matter for CCP, and whatever is said for and against Mittens retaining the Chair won't matter in the end. Just because CCP stroked your ego at FanFest, does not mean you Goons own the game. Be proud while you can, but don't fly too close to the sun, that epeen of yours might just melt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman |
Bane Necran
174
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:33:00 -
[2779] - Quote
Volgram wrote:I forgive you, Alex Gianturco.
I hope that the rest of the community can do the same.
I think everyone will be happy to after justice is served.
|
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
185
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:34:00 -
[2780] - Quote
Quote:"Cyberbullying" is when a child, preteen or teen is tormented, threatened, harassed, humiliated, embarrassed or otherwise targeted by another child, preteen or teen using the Internet, interactive and digital technologies or mobile phones. It has to have a minor on both sides, or at least have been instigated by a minor against another minor. Once adults become involved, it is plain and simple cyber-harassment or cyberstalking. Adult cyber-harassment or cyberstalking is NEVER called cyberbullying.
http://www.stopcyberbullying.org/what_is_cyberbullying_exactly.html
I'll just leave this here. |
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
17
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:34:00 -
[2781] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:you've all abused the wis, and exposed him to far more ridicule then mittani ever did.
Hate to be that guy, but THIS. Not to mention the fact that Mittani also has been "harassed" multiple times in this thread, yet I don't see anybody crying out "cyber-bullying" on that...
By blowing this out of proportion the Eve community has done far more damage than Mittani on his own did, this thread should've been locked hours ago. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
45
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:34:00 -
[2782] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Doddy wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens just put out a PR disaster and put CCP's head on a chopping block for the rest of the online community. Mittens didn't only make him and Goonswarm and the CSM look bad, he made CCP and Eve Online look bad to others who don't play this game. CCP will have to force their hand in this issue by removing him from the CSM all together and a possibility of a temporary ban to save themselves PR brownie points. If they don't, well then just face the hellfire that Mittens has aroused. Titans are still getting nerfed bro That has nothing to do with this, quit trying to distract from the main issue at hand. You forum trolls are not that funny really.
It has to do with why you are posting though
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:35:00 -
[2783] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Yeep wrote:Every one of those articles has the Eurogamer article as it's primary source, which cites Twitter as it's primary source, forgive me for not considering them serious news outlets. thats up to you but its all over the gaming sites ..
Ok, so I spent a bit more time on this. Its not on the front page of even half the sites linked in that page and its featured prominently in perhaps 1-2. Totally all over the gaming sites. |
Ai Shun
441
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:36:00 -
[2784] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:I think everyone will be happy to after justice is served.
Justice is something between The Wis, The Mittani and CCP. It is not something delivered by the player base.
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supr3m3justic3
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
20
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:38:00 -
[2785] - Quote
For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:38:00 -
[2786] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Ok guys. I figured out a solution to this entire dilemma.
It's really simple actually. It's fair, just and lets everyone provide their input and have their say.
If you really, truly, deeply honestly believe that The Mittani was wrong by what he said while drunk at a party in Iceland do this:
Don't vote for him when he runs for CSM 8.
If the majority of the player base don't like him, well hey, he won't get in and everything will be sunshine and rainbows.
That sounds fair doesn't it?
No. It does not.
It sounds stupid. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
18
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:40:00 -
[2787] - Quote
In all seriousness how many of you actually really care about this guys mental health and are instead using it as a attack point because your candidate lost or your titans were almost nerf to hell and back |
DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:40:00 -
[2788] - Quote
The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game
but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1331
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:40:00 -
[2789] - Quote
supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable.
I'm glad to see you are, almost word for word, in agreement with Mittani.
Well said. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Volgram
Imperium Immortalis
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:40:00 -
[2790] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:I think everyone will be happy to after justice is served.
If you can only forgive a man, for what he has done, after he suffers, then you cannot forgive a man at all. |
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David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:41:00 -
[2791] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Ok guys. I figured out a solution to this entire dilemma.
It's really simple actually. It's fair, just and lets everyone provide their input and have their say.
If you really, truly, deeply honestly believe that The Mittani was wrong by what he said while drunk at a party in Iceland do this:
Don't vote for him when he runs for CSM 8.
If the majority of the player base don't like him, well hey, he won't get in and everything will be sunshine and rainbows.
That sounds fair doesn't it? No. It does not. It sounds stupid. Stupid in the same way drumming up a witch hunt to get somebody kicked out of an office you couldn't beat them in a fair election for. |
Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
158
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:42:00 -
[2792] - Quote
supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable.
Solution: resign. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:43:00 -
[2793] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game
but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt.
Not really. As this is still a rather hot topic they will be damned if they do and damned if they don't, either way will add fuel to the fire. Waiting to make a decision, or even announce it if they have is a more logical course to take. Knee jerk actions tend to be regetted later. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:43:00 -
[2794] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game
but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt. Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.) |
Fenris Deka
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
73
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:43:00 -
[2795] - Quote
page 140 and this is still not locked?
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1331
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:43:00 -
[2796] - Quote
Volgram wrote:Bane Necran wrote:I think everyone will be happy to after justice is served.
If you can only forgive a man, for what he has done, after he suffers, then you cannot forgive a man at all.
If actual justice were to be served, his punishment would end at being forced to watch replays of his bad jokes and asinine behavior for a few days. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
37
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:44:00 -
[2797] - Quote
"Like" The Mittanis first post in this thread if you do not want him to resign! Some CCP management people may actually notice the number of likes
Also tell your corpmates who don't read the forums to like the post
(No, NOT this post. But you may like that too if you feel like it.) |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
420
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:46:00 -
[2798] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. I'm glad to see you are, almost word for word, in agreement with Mittani. Well said.
Right. And he continues to accept it.
Proving his words are worth nothing when held against his actions.
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:47:00 -
[2799] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game
but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt. Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.)
he will
edit: he must, HE set his standards , and he need to live up for himself |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:48:00 -
[2800] - Quote
Fenris Deka wrote:page 140 and this is still not locked?
Which is a sensible thing to do. Could you imagine how many topics there would be if they did lock it.
Ranger 1 wrote:Volgram wrote:Bane Necran wrote:I think everyone will be happy to after justice is served.
If you can only forgive a man, for what he has done, after he suffers, then you cannot forgive a man at all. If actual justice were to be served, his punishment would end at being forced to watch replays of his bad jokes and asinine behavior for a few days.
Really I think this would be worse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE (I hold no responsability for any negative effects nor can be held liable for them if you choose to watch it) |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1333
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:50:00 -
[2801] - Quote
Cipher Jones wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. I'm glad to see you are, almost word for word, in agreement with Mittani. Well said. Right. And he continues to accept it. Proving his words are worth nothing when held against his actions.
Since this whole issue is based purely on his words, which according to you are worth nothing, then he has literally done nothing wrong... especially when he took no "action" to harass anyone at all.
Thanks for clearing that up.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
288
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:51:00 -
[2802] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens has aroused. the whole incident is just profit for ccp. The headlines brought tons of exposure that advertising wouldnt have. not to mention it paints eve as a brutal place, and thats exactly what attracted me to the game in the first place. if this all would be an ingame issue we wouldnt be here but this is RL stuff , you know somthing outside your room if you want a brutal place outside of eve .... im sure you know where to go, i would and was there still like it better in RL safe and nice The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it.
All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1333
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:51:00 -
[2803] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Fenris Deka wrote:page 140 and this is still not locked?
Which is a sensible thing to do. Could you imagine how many topics there would be if they did lock it. Ranger 1 wrote:Volgram wrote:Bane Necran wrote:I think everyone will be happy to after justice is served.
If you can only forgive a man, for what he has done, after he suffers, then you cannot forgive a man at all. If actual justice were to be served, his punishment would end at being forced to watch replays of his bad jokes and asinine behavior for a few days. Really I think this would be worse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE(I hold no responsability for any negative effects nor can be held liable for them if you choose to watch it)
I dunno, that's a tough one to call. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:52:00 -
[2804] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Don't spend all that Moon goo in one place....Mittens may need it for Damage control..... *Note going to use a goon term, just because it fits statment Would that be a T2 DC cause real men pubbie tank?
I heard you guys were applying to Test, and I think I heard they liked your recent fleet doctrine as well.
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Ai Shun
441
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:52:00 -
[2805] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Since this whole issue is based purely on his words, which according to you are worth nothing, then he has literally done nothing wrong... especially when he took no "action" to harass anyone at all.
I could've used you when doing my laundry this weekend.
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DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:53:00 -
[2806] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game
but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt. Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.)
i am aware its hard for you to admit it, but its all about credibility atm you so hyped leader ****** up, and he admitted it, now its time for the rest of you to admit it, give the man a break and let him step down without all of your guys pressure |
supr3m3justic3
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
21
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:54:00 -
[2807] - Quote
Razin wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens has aroused. the whole incident is just profit for ccp. The headlines brought tons of exposure that advertising wouldnt have. not to mention it paints eve as a brutal place, and thats exactly what attracted me to the game in the first place. if this all would be an ingame issue we wouldnt be here but this is RL stuff , you know somthing outside your room if you want a brutal place outside of eve .... im sure you know where to go, i would and was there still like it better in RL safe and nice The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it. All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both.
Goons or CSM? |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:54:00 -
[2808] - Quote
Ranger 1[:=d wrote: If actual justice were to be served, his punishment would end at being forced to watch replays of his bad jokes and asinine behavior for a few days.
Really I think this would be worse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE (I hold no responsability for any negative effects nor can be held liable for them if you choose to watch it)[/quote]
I dunno, that's a tough one to call.[/quote]
I as going to add Army of Lovers, Aga Doo, and the Birdie Songe but even I wouldn't be that cruel to link to them.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1333
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:55:00 -
[2809] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Since this whole issue is based purely on his words, which according to you are worth nothing, then he has literally done nothing wrong... especially when he took no "action" to harass anyone at all. I could've used you when doing my laundry this weekend.
Now you're starting to sound eerily like my wife.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
8
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:55:00 -
[2810] - Quote
Razin wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens has aroused. the whole incident is just profit for ccp. The headlines brought tons of exposure that advertising wouldnt have. not to mention it paints eve as a brutal place, and thats exactly what attracted me to the game in the first place. if this all would be an ingame issue we wouldnt be here but this is RL stuff , you know somthing outside your room if you want a brutal place outside of eve .... im sure you know where to go, i would and was there still like it better in RL safe and nice The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it. All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both.
you forgot the important part
it was streamed OUTSIDE to like 10k+ watchers
if it wasnt maybe ccp could have edited out |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1333
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:57:00 -
[2811] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Ranger 1[:=d wrote: If actual justice were to be served, his punishment would end at being forced to watch replays of his bad jokes and asinine behavior for a few days. (my post being replied to somehow editing messed it up)Really I think this would be worse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE(I hold no responsability for any negative effects nor can be held liable for them if you choose to watch it) Quote: I dunno, that's a tough one to call.
I as going to add Army of Lovers, Aga Doo, and the Birdie Songe but even I wouldn't be that cruel to link to them.
Okay, you win. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Bane Necran
178
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:58:00 -
[2812] - Quote
Volgram wrote:Bane Necran wrote:I think everyone will be happy to after justice is served.
If you can only forgive a man, for what he has done, after he suffers, then you cannot forgive a man at all.
Generally i'm the most laid back guy playing this game. When i first heard about this i was actually telling someone angry with Mittani that the two of them should 'hug it out'.
Then i saw the clip myself, and watched the goons flood the forums to pick fights with everyone, and well, things have changed.
Mittani and the Goons should not represent this game or its playerbase in any way shape or form. The only justice i ask for is the same justice he supposedly imposed on himself: that he resign. Even with my previous dislike of Goons i never had a problem with him being CSM, but if he can't conduct himself in a respectable manner he just makes us all look bad.
If he follows through on his vow, this will all end. You have the power. You can stop this, Mittani. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
121
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:59:00 -
[2813] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Razin wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:de4deye wrote:Mittens has aroused. the whole incident is just profit for ccp. The headlines brought tons of exposure that advertising wouldnt have. not to mention it paints eve as a brutal place, and thats exactly what attracted me to the game in the first place. if this all would be an ingame issue we wouldnt be here but this is RL stuff , you know somthing outside your room if you want a brutal place outside of eve .... im sure you know where to go, i would and was there still like it better in RL safe and nice The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it. All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both. you forgot the important part it was streamed OUTSIDE to like 10k+ watchers if it wasnt maybe ccp could have edited out
Knowing CCP they were probably rounding up to the nearest 10 000.
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Ai Shun
443
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:02:00 -
[2814] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Ranger 1[:=d wrote: If actual justice were to be served, his punishment would end at being forced to watch replays of his bad jokes and asinine behavior for a few days. (my post being replied to somehow editing messed it up)Really I think this would be worse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE(I hold no responsability for any negative effects nor can be held liable for them if you choose to watch it)(end of my post) I dunno, that's a tough one to call. I as going to add Army of Lovers, Aga Doo, and the Birdie Songe but even I wouldn't be that cruel to link to them.
What's that thing with the loopy rainbow cat? |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:03:00 -
[2815] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Ranger 1[:=d wrote: If actual justice were to be served, his punishment would end at being forced to watch replays of his bad jokes and asinine behavior for a few days. (my post being replied to somehow editing messed it up)Really I think this would be worse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE(I hold no responsability for any negative effects nor can be held liable for them if you choose to watch it) Quote: I dunno, that's a tough one to call.
I as going to add Army of Lovers, Aga Doo, and the Birdie Songe but even I wouldn't be that cruel to link to them. Okay, you win.
/Pants on nails and buffs them on clothes. Ah I still have it.
You may now return to your regular programmes. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
288
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:04:00 -
[2816] - Quote
supr3m3justic3 wrote:Razin wrote: The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it.
All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both.
Goons or CSM? It was during the alliance panel. You decide.
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Volgram
Imperium Immortalis
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:05:00 -
[2817] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Generally i'm the most laid back guy playing this game. When i first heard about this i was actually telling someone angry with Mittani that the two of them should 'hug it out'.
Then i saw the clip myself, and watched the goons flood the forums to pick fights with everyone, and well, things have changed.
Mittani and the Goons should not represent this game or its playerbase in any way shape or form. The only justice i ask for is the same justice he supposedly imposed on himself: that he resign. Even with my previous dislike of Goons i never had a problem with him being CSM, but if he can't conduct himself in a respectable manner he just makes us all look bad.
If he follows through on his vow, this will all end. You have the power. You can stop this, Mittani.
That may be the case. After the things that you have seen, your opinions might have changed. That is by far and large, quite natural.
But do not forgive him after things have cooled down. That way, forgiveness has no meaning.
Forgive him now, or do not forgive him at all.
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Astro Jones
AJ Corp
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:06:00 -
[2818] - Quote
Most real corporations have zero tolerance for this sort of bad publicity, It will be interesting to see what happens. But then again when they actively promote grief you should expect this sort of stuff. Personally i feel it went way way to far, you do not ever encourage someone to do something like that. Most of us are adults and know better. EVE has potential but they need to learn that catering to degenerate behaviour is detrimental to being in business. For every hard core pyp'er out there, there is at least 10 people that do not care for that type of game play. In the end, I think EVE has to share part of the blame. |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
288
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:07:00 -
[2819] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Razin wrote: The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it.
All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both.
you forgot the important part it was streamed OUTSIDE to like 10k+ watchers if it wasnt maybe ccp could have edited out It wasn't important to any adult capable of some objectivity and critical thinking.
However you are not preaching to any of that kind, so never mind.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
40
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:08:00 -
[2820] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:I heard you guys were applying to Test, and I think I heard they liked your recent fleet doctrine as well.
No idea, I come out for the corp and fleets, I leave politics and where we go to those elsewhere. |
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Mercenary Killa
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:09:00 -
[2821] - Quote
MAD DETECTED |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:09:00 -
[2822] - Quote
Volgram wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Generally i'm the most laid back guy playing this game. When i first heard about this i was actually telling someone angry with Mittani that the two of them should 'hug it out'.
Then i saw the clip myself, and watched the goons flood the forums to pick fights with everyone, and well, things have changed.
Mittani and the Goons should not represent this game or its playerbase in any way shape or form. The only justice i ask for is the same justice he supposedly imposed on himself: that he resign. Even with my previous dislike of Goons i never had a problem with him being CSM, but if he can't conduct himself in a respectable manner he just makes us all look bad.
If he follows through on his vow, this will all end. You have the power. You can stop this, Mittani. That may be the case. After the things that you have seen, your opinions might have changed. That is by far and large, quite natural. But do not forgive him after things have cooled down. That way, forgiveness has no meaning. Forgive him now, or do not forgive him at all.
The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
he set the steps .. without step 2 .. step 1 means nothing
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Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Flatline.
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:11:00 -
[2823] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing.
Not really, they have a LOT to carefuly consider and as someone else noted on the forums tempers on all sides are currently running very high. Expect CCP to take time before they reach a decision and make any announcement or take any action.
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chumbucket
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:13:00 -
[2824] - Quote
Wow i do congratulate you on your election stampede but seriously ...... YOU know what the Eula entails better then most players. Some people will take their lives to crap like this IT HAPPENS . You Showed up drunk and instead of acting like an elected official you acted like a giant 12 year old waving his e-peen about. You screwed up bigtime apology or no apology you just demonstrated behavior that is majorly damaging to ccp and sony and yourself. Yes sony will probably care as they pay the multi million dollar advertising tabs for dust. Maybe your one of those people who are better off NOT DRINKING becuse you cant handle it..........This is one of those things that you as a GROWN A** MAN just dont do game or not SERIOUSLY SEEK RPOFESSIONAL HELP YOU GOT ISSUES U NEED TO HANDLE. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
421
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:14:00 -
[2825] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. I'm glad to see you are, almost word for word, in agreement with Mittani. Well said. Right. And he continues to accept it. Proving his words are worth nothing when held against his actions. Since this whole issue is based purely on his words, which according to you are worth nothing, then he has literally done nothing wrong... especially when he took no "action" to harass anyone at all. Thanks for clearing that up.
He is still bound to face the consequences of his words no matter the value that they hold to me, just as we all are. And you understand that perfectly well.
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:16:00 -
[2826] - Quote
Razin wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Razin wrote: The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it.
All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both.
you forgot the important part it was streamed OUTSIDE to like 10k+ watchers if it wasnt maybe ccp could have edited out It wasn't important to any adult capable of some objectivity and critical thinking. However you are not preaching to any of that kind, so never mind.
well you just said miitens not adult capable of some objectivity and critical thinking
because in his own words : Entirely my fault and unacceptable
i dunno why you guys trying to defend him .. he already has seen that he was doing something wrong you look relay bad trying to defend this, this stunt will not work , accept it ... |
supr3m3justic3
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:17:00 -
[2827] - Quote
Razin wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:Razin wrote: The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it.
All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both.
Goons or CSM? It was during the alliance panel. You decide.
CSM, because this isnt an alliance level issue. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:19:00 -
[2828] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game
but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt. Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.) i am aware its hard for you to admit it, but its all about credibility atm you so hyped leader ****** up, and he admitted it, now its time for the rest of you to admit it, give the man a break and let him step down without all of your guys pressure
This just in, supporting somebody's decision to appologize is "hyping them up." I swear, none of you posters can be over the age of 16.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
327
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:20:00 -
[2829] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:DelightSucker wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game
but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt. Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.) i am aware its hard for you to admit it, but its all about credibility atm you so hyped leader ****** up, and he admitted it, now its time for the rest of you to admit it, give the man a break and let him step down without all of your guys pressure This just in, supporting somebody's decision to appologize is "hyping them up." I swear, none of you posters can be over the age of 16.
Might have been becasue of all the "HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE APOLOGIZED" posts lots of other goons made. And before that apology "HE DID NOTHING WRONG" posts.
Just saying. |
Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:20:00 -
[2830] - Quote
supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for.
EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM. |
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Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
37
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:21:00 -
[2831] - Quote
WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.
I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
327
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:21:00 -
[2832] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for.
More or less. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:21:00 -
[2833] - Quote
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing. Not really, they have a LOT to carefuly consider and as someone else noted on the forums tempers on all sides are currently running very high. Expect CCP to take time before they reach a decision and make any announcement or take any action. this is corporation(reallive) level .. theres meeting to be hold , lawers need some research .. CEOs to be contacted
it takes time
and if sony is into this it just delays it even more |
Volgram
Imperium Immortalis
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:21:00 -
[2834] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:The Mittani GÇÅ @TheMittani
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
he set the steps .. without step 2 .. step 1 means nothing
What he wishes to do is not in my control. Truely, I cannot do anything, but give him my forgiveness, for what he did. I hope the community can do the same, but we are all humans and different in opinions. Our liberty is indifferent to our morals. |
Bane Necran
180
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:23:00 -
[2835] - Quote
Volgram wrote:But do not forgive him after things have cooled down. That way, forgiveness has no meaning.
Forgive him now, or do not forgive him at all.
I think i've already pretty much forgiven him, although this 'apology' did nothing to help that. Any previous disgust i had towards his seemingly sociopathic traits is probably better understood as disgust for sociopaths in general. The guy (or goons for that matter) hasn't done anything to me personally, so i've no grudge. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
327
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:23:00 -
[2836] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.
I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke.
http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/
GǣIncidentally, if you do want to make that guy kill himself his name isGǪ[details removed]. He has his own corp, find him.Gǥ
This quote is not nothing. Especially since its the head of the Goons saying it. He tossed gas on a fire. A fire that says kill this guy as the end result. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:24:00 -
[2837] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.
I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke.
contact CCP, maybe you can supervise em with your moral standards and the understanding of said video
|
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:25:00 -
[2838] - Quote
supr3m3justic3 wrote:Razin wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:Razin wrote: The guy made an offensive comment at a gaming convention, in a gaming discussion forum, as a leader of an in-game organization, in a state of alcohol and in-game popularity inebriation, about some in-game events concerning a player. All the while the alleged victim of this heinous crime wasn't even aware that anything happened until some self-righteous assholes told him about it.
All your posts sound like you desperately want this to be RL stuff despite all the evidence to the contrary. Sounds like you've got some kind of an agenda, or you're just a cyber bully. Probably both.
Goons or CSM? It was during the alliance panel. You decide. CSM, because this isnt an alliance level issue.
Alliance, because he was at the alliance panel speaking on behalf of the GSF. Just because the man's on CSM doesn't mean he's perfect, and he shouldn't be expected to be perfect either. The fact that people are holding him to some higher standard above "regular players" shows how ludicrous everybody here is about the CSM. The CSM isn't some major congress, it's a group of 14 players who talk to each other, and CCP developers occasionally, to relay the thoughts of the masses. What the CSM is not and should not be: A 100% accurate representation of everybody who plays Eve, used for PR purposes. To expect that is preposterous. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:25:00 -
[2839] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.
I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke.
What's even better are the chatlogs from a few days later showing the victim wasn't even getting any in-game harassment over it. Everyone that heard it knew it was a joke (albeit an awful one) and it didn't go any further than that - well, not until the election results came out on Saturday, then wouldn't you know it, gaming websites have picked up this AWFUL AWFUL THING HE DID BAN MITTENS HE HAS TO GO |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:26:00 -
[2840] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.
I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke.
You've never been on the recieving end of a 4chan search then I take it. You would be suprised what those in the know can find out just from an ingame name. |
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Nair Alderau
EVE University Ivy League
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:27:00 -
[2841] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for. EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM.
Now, i am no goonfriend obviously. But wasn't it the Alliance panel (rather than a CSM event)? He was there as the CEO of the goons. |
Nair Alderau
EVE University Ivy League
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:28:00 -
[2842] - Quote
Blastcaps Madullier wrote:DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing. Not really, they have a LOT to carefuly consider and as someone else noted on the forums tempers on all sides are currently running very high. Expect CCP to take time before they reach a decision and make any announcement or take any action.
This. Everbody take a deep breath and let somewhat cooler heads decide what to do than raging-forum-warriors. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
187
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:29:00 -
[2843] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:DelightSucker wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game
but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt. Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.) i am aware its hard for you to admit it, but its all about credibility atm you so hyped leader ****** up, and he admitted it, now its time for the rest of you to admit it, give the man a break and let him step down without all of your guys pressure This just in, supporting somebody's decision to appologize is "hyping them up." I swear, none of you posters can be over the age of 16. Might have been becasue of all the "HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE APOLOGIZED" posts lots of other goons made. And before that apology "HE DID NOTHING WRONG" posts. Just saying. I still stand by my posts on the subject. I think the public apology was not a real requirement. Mostly because he doesn't owe you whining children anything in reference to this whole event. |
Banjit Leelapun
War Horse Mining and Manufacturing
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:29:00 -
[2844] - Quote
I don't think i have ever posted on these forums before, but i feel so strongly about this, and sorry, but i didn't read any of the BS above, but my 2 cents is this:
And i quote "except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said "
Then you sir are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Intoxication of any kind is not an excuse, period.
Example: Damn, i ran over your child, well hell i was intoxicated, so should be able to get away with it :)
in short boot his ass ccp
|
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:30:00 -
[2845] - Quote
Sadly the fact that he hasnt gone yet intimates that he is trying to weasel out of his own statement to resign. A resignation takes no time at all. He doesnt have to discuss it with the CSM they need to move on without him. Alexanders credibility is at an all time low. The gaming press are full of "cyberbully going to resign" quotes if he doesnt do what he has promised he simply makes the situation worse. Ultimatly pride comes before a fall. Alexander has been so puffed up with his pride and pomposity that its no suprise it has come to this. His constant preening in the gaming press, acting the spaceship politician, whoring himself to any site that would guve his ego a platform was bound to end in tears. Honestly he reminds me of Steve Smith in American dad, with the copious amounts of hairgel and pubescent acne. He is old enough to get drunk and be obnoxious he should be man enough to take the consequenses.
Alexander do the right thing resign, save some of your credibility and maybe the gaming sites you love pandering to so much may stil want to stroke your ego when its all blown over. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
329
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:30:00 -
[2846] - Quote
Nair Alderau wrote:Akai Kvaesir wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for. EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM. Now, i am no goonfriend obviously. But wasn't it the Alliance panel (rather than a CSM event)? He was there as the CEO of the goons.
He is still the face of the CSM no matter what capacity he is on a panel for. |
Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
45
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:32:00 -
[2847] - Quote
Mercenary Killa wrote:MAD DETECTED
Are you kidding? Farming Testies is one of my favorite sports...
My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale..... |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
329
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:32:00 -
[2848] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote: I still stand by my posts on the subject. I think the public apology was not a real requirement. Mostly because he doesn't owe you whining children anything in reference to this whole event.
I would agree if he had kept it in an in game setting.
However he did not, he did it on a live stream in front of thousands.
Not only was a apology needed, he needs to remove himself from the CSM at least. So people know we are serious about whom represents the players of this game.
A CSM calling for someones death even in jest and drunk is more the enough reason to pull him off it.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
290
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:34:00 -
[2849] - Quote
chumbucket wrote:Wow i do congratulate you on your election stampede but seriously ...... YOU know what the Eula entails better then most players. Some people will take their lives to crap like this IT HAPPENS . You Showed up drunk and instead of acting like an elected official you acted like a giant 12 year old waving his e-peen about. You screwed up bigtime apology or no apology you just demonstrated behavior that is majorly damaging to ccp and sony and yourself. Yes sony will probably care as they pay the multi million dollar advertising tabs for dust. Maybe your one of those people who are better off NOT DRINKING becuse you cant handle it..........This is one of those things that you as a GROWN A** MAN just dont do game or not SERIOUSLY SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP YOU GOT ISSUES U NEED TO HANDLE. So, what about those individuals who so helpfully informed The Wis of these events? Aren't they to be held responsible for so recklessly endangering this player's life (and CCP-Sony relationship by extension)? Arguably, it is those righteous persons who should bear the brunt of the blame for knowingly bringing the offensive information to the one who'd be most susceptible to its damaging qualities. |
DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:35:00 -
[2850] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:DelightSucker wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game
but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt. Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.) i am aware its hard for you to admit it, but its all about credibility atm you so hyped leader ****** up, and he admitted it, now its time for the rest of you to admit it, give the man a break and let him step down without all of your guys pressure This just in, supporting somebody's decision to appologize is "hyping them up." I swear, none of you posters can be over the age of 16.
Deal whit it?
yeah he so sincere |
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:36:00 -
[2851] - Quote
Banjit Leelapun wrote:I don't think i have ever posted on these forums before, but i feel so strongly about this, and sorry, but i didn't read any of the BS above, but my 2 cents is this:
And i quote "except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said "
Then you sir are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Intoxication of any kind is not an excuse, period.
Example: Damn, i ran over your child, well hell i was intoxicated, so should be able to get away with it :)
in short boot his ass ccp
Yay, I get to quote it for a third time. (Maybe eventually people will begin to actually read the apology instead of skimming and making assumptions)
The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
See that? In case you don't understand the big words, inebriation means drunkenness. In the above quote which apparently nobody bothers to read, Mittens states that he accepts full responsibility despite the fact that he was extremely intoxicated. He's not using it as an excuse, in other words. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
333
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:37:00 -
[2852] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Banjit Leelapun wrote:I don't think i have ever posted on these forums before, but i feel so strongly about this, and sorry, but i didn't read any of the BS above, but my 2 cents is this:
And i quote "except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said "
Then you sir are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Intoxication of any kind is not an excuse, period.
Example: Damn, i ran over your child, well hell i was intoxicated, so should be able to get away with it :)
in short boot his ass ccp
Yay, I get to quote it for a third time. (Maybe eventually people will begin to actually read the apology instead of skimming and making assumptions) The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine. See that? In case you don't understand the big words, inebriation means drunkenness. In the above quote which apparently nobody bothers to read, Mittens states that he accepts full responsibility despite the fact that he was extremely intoxicated. He's not using it as an excuse, in other words.
He also said he would step down from CSM.
Still waiting. |
Nair Alderau
EVE University Ivy League
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:38:00 -
[2853] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Nair Alderau wrote:Akai Kvaesir wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for. EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM. Now, i am no goonfriend obviously. But wasn't it the Alliance panel (rather than a CSM event)? He was there as the CEO of the goons. He is still the face of the CSM no matter what capacity he is on a panel for.
Noted. True to an extent, though I think it mitigates "the crime".
Now:
a) I think he should step down as chairman, and get a reprimand/tempban from CCP. b) I think we shouldn't make the whole situation even more sticky by arguing too much about it. Lets cool off, be more friendly, agree to wait on what CCP and the CSM will say. Whats the point of arguing about it before they do? |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:39:00 -
[2854] - Quote
Nair Alderau wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Nair Alderau wrote:Akai Kvaesir wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for. EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM. Now, i am no goonfriend obviously. But wasn't it the Alliance panel (rather than a CSM event)? He was there as the CEO of the goons. He is still the face of the CSM no matter what capacity he is on a panel for. Noted. True to an extent, though I think it mitigates "the crime". Now: a) I think he should step down as chairman, and get a reprimand/tempban from CCP. b) I think we shouldn't make the whole situation even more sticky by arguing too much about it. Lets cool off, be more friendly, agree to wait on what CCP and the CSM will say. Whats the point of arguing about it before they do?
cause ppl have strong feelings over the whole debacle
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Shere
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:44:00 -
[2855] - Quote
Oh, hey, this thread still exists. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
47
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:44:00 -
[2856] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote: I still stand by my posts on the subject. I think the public apology was not a real requirement. Mostly because he doesn't owe you whining children anything in reference to this whole event.
I would agree if he had kept it in an in game setting. However he did not, he did it on a live stream in front of thousands. Not only was a apology needed, he needs to remove himself from the CSM at least. So people know we are serious about whom represents the players of this game. A CSM calling for someones death even in jest and drunk is more the enough reason to pull him off it.
He didn't call for anyones death. He provided information to allow other people to provoke someone into killing themselves and told them to do so if they wished. That is bad enough but your twisting is pathetic.
|
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:45:00 -
[2857] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Banjit Leelapun wrote:I don't think i have ever posted on these forums before, but i feel so strongly about this, and sorry, but i didn't read any of the BS above, but my 2 cents is this:
And i quote "except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said "
Then you sir are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Intoxication of any kind is not an excuse, period.
Example: Damn, i ran over your child, well hell i was intoxicated, so should be able to get away with it :)
in short boot his ass ccp
Yay, I get to quote it for a third time. (Maybe eventually people will begin to actually read the apology instead of skimming and making assumptions) The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine. See that? In case you don't understand the big words, inebriation means drunkenness. In the above quote which apparently nobody bothers to read, Mittens states that he accepts full responsibility despite the fact that he was extremely intoxicated. He's not using it as an excuse, in other words. He also said he would step down from CSM. Still waiting.
This may come as a surprise, but Twitter is, in fact, not a legally binding contract. Whatever he says on Twitter, he isn't required to act upon, follow through on, or anything. Does it hurt his credibility? Yeah, it does. But don't expect him to follow through on something he stated on Twitter. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
188
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:45:00 -
[2858] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:DelightSucker wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:DelightSucker wrote:The lack of Response from CCP is disturbing, Mittens has gone under the ground in hope of the storm will go away and he happily can stay on CSM and in game
but saying he wants to resign and then not do it if he don't removes whatever credibility he have left after that stunt. Fess up, its not about credibility. You are just sad that you got excited about the idea that he might step down and he hasn't yet. (And probably won't, and good on him.) i am aware its hard for you to admit it, but its all about credibility atm you so hyped leader ****** up, and he admitted it, now its time for the rest of you to admit it, give the man a break and let him step down without all of your guys pressure This just in, supporting somebody's decision to appologize is "hyping them up." I swear, none of you posters can be over the age of 16. Deal whit it? yeah he so sincere
I'm sure you did your homework and understand both the background as well as the intention/intended audience of the comment and not just parroting talking points. Certainly you would not be that foolish.
It was a comment (as Mittens has explained elsewhere) in response to what he understood to be posters upset that he was reelected and reelected while daring to swear almost as much as the CCP devs themselves. I'm sure you knew that already though. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
31
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 00:45:00 -
[2859] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.
I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke. You've never been on the recieving end of a 4chan search then I take it. You would be suprised what those in the know can find out just from an ingame name.
Yeah, because 4chan gives a **** about this guy.
Come on. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
149
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:46:00 -
[2860] - Quote
I never was and never will be a Goonswarm fan. I am pretty sure any Goon who reads the forums aswel as people I hang around with in EVE can testify to that.
However EVE would lose the ultimate badguy if they were to ban Alexander.
It's not asif there are other Goons who are even remotely capable of filling those shoes. And whom would you want to rage your anger at after The Mittani has been removed from the game?
There is nobody else in the game who invokes either ultimate adoration or loathing. Next to that there are 10,058 accounts which voted for him. This is quit a large chunk of those who actually bothered to vote. You can't just ignore that while sharpening your pitchforks and setting your torches ablaze.
The withhunt a lot of people are creating is not much different to what he did at teh Fanfest and you should be ashamed of it.
Everyone knows the guy is down, yet the only thing the people who don't like him are doing is kicking a man on the floor. Do you really believe your morale code is so much better if you look at this behaviour from a distance?
On the other side we have the nay sayers. The ones who keep making it worse by badposting and trolling over an incident which wouldn't have been an incident it it was a marginal thing.
He himself accepts he made a real big mistake there, yet you can't wait to get onto the barricades and act like thugs and show howmuch bravoure you have while in the meantime the one you are suppossedly defending is doing the one thing he should do. Remain out of the debate and talk with the CSM and CCP as how this should be handled.
Yes EVE is a harsh world indeed. On one side we have the lingering villains who just can't step away from a wrong because that's not their rep. on the other hand we have the farmers, armed with pitch and feathers, ready to drive a villain out of town without due process.
This game isn't a spacegame with goodies from the future. This is more the Old Wild West where we all shoot (of our mouths) before thinking things through.
There is a larger part of the community detached from reality than most are willing or able to see or admit.
So my suggestion to ALL parties would be to stop posting about this thing and try to act like adults for the very first time in your EVE lives and wait to see what the grownups are going to do. |
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Banjit Leelapun
War Horse Mining and Manufacturing
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:48:00 -
[2861] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Banjit Leelapun wrote:I don't think i have ever posted on these forums before, but i feel so strongly about this, and sorry, but i didn't read any of the BS above, but my 2 cents is this:
And i quote "except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said "
Then you sir are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Intoxication of any kind is not an excuse, period.
Example: Damn, i ran over your child, well hell i was intoxicated, so should be able to get away with it :)
in short boot his ass ccp
Yay, I get to quote it for a third time. (Maybe eventually people will begin to actually read the apology instead of skimming and making assumptions) The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine. See that? In case you don't understand the big words, inebriation means drunkenness. In the above quote which apparently nobody bothers to read, Mittens states that he accepts full responsibility despite the fact that he was extremely intoxicated. He's not using it as an excuse, in other words. He also said he would step down from CSM. Still waiting. This may come as a surprise, but Twitter is, in fact, not a legally binding contract. Whatever he says on Twitter, he isn't required to act upon, follow through on, or anything. Does it hurt his credibility? Yeah, it does. But don't expect him to follow through on something he stated on Twitter.
that's whats wrong with the younger generations, they think its all okay i didn't mean it and you cant hold it to me cause i twitted it or i was drunk or what ever the new excuse is |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
338
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:48:00 -
[2862] - Quote
Doddy wrote:RougeOperator wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote: I still stand by my posts on the subject. I think the public apology was not a real requirement. Mostly because he doesn't owe you whining children anything in reference to this whole event.
I would agree if he had kept it in an in game setting. However he did not, he did it on a live stream in front of thousands. Not only was a apology needed, he needs to remove himself from the CSM at least. So people know we are serious about whom represents the players of this game. A CSM calling for someones death even in jest and drunk is more the enough reason to pull him off it. He didn't call for anyones death. He provided information to allow other people to provoke someone into killing themselves and told them to do so if they wished. That is bad enough but your twisting is pathetic.
Its the same thing in the wash.
But this is a powerful person in the game whom has an army of sycophantic followers. He pretty much was dousing the person he named with gasoline while giving his buddies matches. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:48:00 -
[2863] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote: I still stand by my posts on the subject. I think the public apology was not a real requirement. Mostly because he doesn't owe you whining children anything in reference to this whole event.
I would agree if he had kept it in an in game setting. However he did not, he did it on a live stream in front of thousands. Not only was a apology needed, he needs to remove himself from the CSM at least. So people know we are serious about whom represents the players of this game. A CSM calling for someones death even in jest and drunk is more the enough reason to pull him off it. You're backtracking again as if this hadn't already been explained. Pretty easy to get away with since this thread moves pretty fast. This event took place, at a convention for a game, in front of players of that game, in reference to events in the game, and in reference to a message sent about those events to him in game. This message was mocked and the off-color comment was made. To imply that there is a difference because it was spoken instead of typed in game or on the forums is an asspull and you know it.
.... I'm on fire with these page snipes too. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
338
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:49:00 -
[2864] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:I never was and never will be a Goonswarm fan. I am pretty sure any Goon who reads the forums aswel as people I hang around with in EVE can testify to that.
However EVE would lose the ultimate badguy if they were to ban Alexander.
It's not asif there are other Goons who are even remotely capable of filling those shoes. And whom would you want to rage your anger at after The Mittani has been removed from the game?
There is nobody else in the game who invokes either ultimate adoration or loathing. Next to that there are 10,058 accounts which voted for him. This is quit a large chunk of those who actually bothered to vote. You can't just ignore that while sharpening your pitchforks and setting your torches ablaze.
The withhunt a lot of people are creating is not much different to what he did at teh Fanfest and you should be ashamed of it.
Everyone knows the guy is down, yet the only thing the people who don't like him are doing is kicking a man on the floor. Do you really believe your morale code is so much better if you look at this behaviour from a distance?
On the other side we have the nay sayers. The ones who keep making it worse by badposting and trolling over an incident which wouldn't have been an incident it it was a marginal thing.
He himself accepts he made a real big mistake there, yet you can't wait to get onto the barricades and act like thugs and show howmuch bravoure you have while in the meantime the one you are suppossedly defending is doing the one thing he should do. Remain out of the debate and talk with the CSM and CCP as how this should be handled.
Yes EVE is a harsh world indeed. On one side we have the lingering villains who just can't step away from a wrong because that's not their rep. on the other hand we have the farmers, armed with pitch and feathers, ready to drive a villain out of town without due process.
This game isn't a spacegame with goodies from the future. This is more the Old Wild West where we all shoot (of our mouths) before thinking things through.
There is a larger part of the community detached from reality than most are willing or able to see or admit.
So my suggestion to ALL parties would be to stop posting about this thing and try to act like adults for the very first time in your EVE lives and wait to see what the grownups are going to do.
Get over the cult of personality. EvE will go on with or without alex. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:50:00 -
[2865] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:WTF? I now watched the video and this is NOTHING. We're talking about someone giving an IN-GAME NAME of another player during a GAMING CONVENTION. I initially thought that there were real names involved and the 'victim' might have been subjected to possible real-life harassment.
I was expecting some nasty stuff, but seriously, this is a joke. You've never been on the recieving end of a 4chan search then I take it. You would be suprised what those in the know can find out just from an ingame name. Yeah, because 4chan gives a **** about this guy. Come on.
Did I say they did? Please emphasise the part where I did.
In contexct to the comment it was correct. The post I was replying to seemed to thing that an in game name could never be traced to real life and the people there could if asked find a hell of a lot form just an ingame name given how many people link all their internet stuff together. |
Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:50:00 -
[2866] - Quote
Nair Alderau wrote:Akai Kvaesir wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for. EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM. Now, i am no goonfriend obviously. But wasn't it the Alliance panel (rather than a CSM event)? He was there as the CEO of the goons. He is the Chairman of the CSM. Thus, in public, he is ALWAYS the CSM. That's the downside to being the head of an organization, you can't choose when to be a politician and when to be a Goon. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:50:00 -
[2867] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Banjit Leelapun wrote:I don't think i have ever posted on these forums before, but i feel so strongly about this, and sorry, but i didn't read any of the BS above, but my 2 cents is this:
And i quote "except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said "
Then you sir are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Intoxication of any kind is not an excuse, period.
Example: Damn, i ran over your child, well hell i was intoxicated, so should be able to get away with it :)
in short boot his ass ccp
Yay, I get to quote it for a third time. (Maybe eventually people will begin to actually read the apology instead of skimming and making assumptions) The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine. See that? In case you don't understand the big words, inebriation means drunkenness. In the above quote which apparently nobody bothers to read, Mittens states that he accepts full responsibility despite the fact that he was extremely intoxicated. He's not using it as an excuse, in other words. He also said he would step down from CSM. Still waiting. This may come as a surprise, but Twitter is, in fact, not a legally binding contract. Whatever he says on Twitter, he isn't required to act upon, follow through on, or anything. Does it hurt his credibility? Yeah, it does. But don't expect him to follow through on something he stated on Twitter. This forum thread isn't a legally binding contract either, but we're supposed to accept his apology at face value. Why would his Twitter post be held to a different standard? |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:51:00 -
[2868] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Doddy wrote:RougeOperator wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote: I still stand by my posts on the subject. I think the public apology was not a real requirement. Mostly because he doesn't owe you whining children anything in reference to this whole event.
I would agree if he had kept it in an in game setting. However he did not, he did it on a live stream in front of thousands. Not only was a apology needed, he needs to remove himself from the CSM at least. So people know we are serious about whom represents the players of this game. A CSM calling for someones death even in jest and drunk is more the enough reason to pull him off it. He didn't call for anyones death. He provided information to allow other people to provoke someone into killing themselves and told them to do so if they wished. That is bad enough but your twisting is pathetic. Its the same thing in the wash. But this is a powerful person in the game whom has an army of sycophantic followers. He pretty much was dousing the person he named with gasoline while giving his buddies matches.
Because nobody in CFC knew about the story before Mittens presented it. No Sir.
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
149
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:51:00 -
[2869] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Get over the cult of personality. EvE will go on with or without alex.
It's easy to tell others to step over their shadow while in the meantime refusing to step over your own.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
338
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:52:00 -
[2870] - Quote
Akai Kvaesir wrote:Nair Alderau wrote:Akai Kvaesir wrote:supr3m3justic3 wrote:For a Goon: Understandable. For a CSM: Unacceptable. This is why what the Chair of the CSM said is a problem. I don't like Goons, but this is right in line with what they do. But it is NOT what the CSM should stand for. EDIT: I'd just like to state my opinion in the matter has nothing to do with Goonswarm or how I feel about them. It's about the CSM. Now, i am no goonfriend obviously. But wasn't it the Alliance panel (rather than a CSM event)? He was there as the CEO of the goons. He is the Chairman of the CSM. Thus, in public, he is ALWAYS the CSM. That's the downside to being the head of an organization, you can't choose when to be a politician and when to be a Goon.
They keep trying to spin it away from the fact he never stops being the CSM chair.
He wanted the spot, he has to live with the responsibility of the spot.
Deal with it. |
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Jita Alt666
966
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:52:00 -
[2871] - Quote
Shere wrote:Oh, hey, this thread still exists.
Not only does it exist it is a bigger honey pot than anything else since monocle.
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:53:00 -
[2872] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:
He also said he would step down from CSM.
Still waiting.
This may come as a surprise, but Twitter is, in fact, not a legally binding contract. Whatever he says on Twitter, he isn't required to act upon, follow through on, or anything. Does it hurt his credibility? Yeah, it does. But don't expect him to follow through on something he stated on Twitter.[/quote] This forum thread isn't a legally binding contract either, but we're supposed to accept his apology at face value. Why would his Twitter post be held to a different standard?[/quote]
I'm sorry, point me to where I said his apology was a contract? |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
338
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:53:00 -
[2873] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Get over the cult of personality. EvE will go on with or without alex.
It's easy to tell others to step over their shadow while in the meantime refusing to step over your own.
We will worry about that when I do something as horrible as he did.
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:54:00 -
[2874] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Its the same thing in the wash.
But this is a powerful person in the game whom has an army of sycophantic followers. He pretty much was dousing the person he named with gasoline while giving his buddies matches.
Afaik no-one acted on what he said, and an evemail is considerably less deadly than being set alight even if you do have suicidal tendencies, so once again you are twisting things. Sure there may have been a couple of guys listening who thought "it would be fun to greif this guy" but it is only in your fantasy that thousands of goons hang on Mittanis every drunken word.
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
31
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:55:00 -
[2875] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Doddy wrote:RougeOperator wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote: I still stand by my posts on the subject. I think the public apology was not a real requirement. Mostly because he doesn't owe you whining children anything in reference to this whole event.
I would agree if he had kept it in an in game setting. However he did not, he did it on a live stream in front of thousands. Not only was a apology needed, he needs to remove himself from the CSM at least. So people know we are serious about whom represents the players of this game. A CSM calling for someones death even in jest and drunk is more the enough reason to pull him off it. He didn't call for anyones death. He provided information to allow other people to provoke someone into killing themselves and told them to do so if they wished. That is bad enough but your twisting is pathetic. Its the same thing in the wash. But this is a powerful person in the game whom has an army of sycophantic followers. He pretty much was dousing the person he named with gasoline while giving his buddies matches.
Except, with all the people watching the stream live, including goons, that didn't happen. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:55:00 -
[2876] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Quote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Amity Lane wrote:
He also said he would step down from CSM.
Still waiting.
This may come as a surprise, but Twitter is, in fact, not a legally binding contract. Whatever he says on Twitter, he isn't required to act upon, follow through on, or anything. Does it hurt his credibility? Yeah, it does. But don't expect him to follow through on something he stated on Twitter. This forum thread isn't a legally binding contract either, but we're supposed to accept his apology at face value. Why would his Twitter post be held to a different standard? I'm sorry, point me to where I said his apology was a contract?
dont play the naive, you know exactly what he is saying
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Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:56:00 -
[2877] - Quote
I really don't get how anyone can defend him. He has brought a lot of negative attention to our community, and the only reason we don't all look like douchebags is because some have been very vocal in denouncing his actions.
He admitted he did wrong and said he was going to resign. What is there to argue here? |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:58:00 -
[2878] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Quote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Amity Lane wrote:
He also said he would step down from CSM.
Still waiting.
This may come as a surprise, but Twitter is, in fact, not a legally binding contract. Whatever he says on Twitter, he isn't required to act upon, follow through on, or anything. Does it hurt his credibility? Yeah, it does. But don't expect him to follow through on something he stated on Twitter. This forum thread isn't a legally binding contract either, but we're supposed to accept his apology at face value. Why would his Twitter post be held to a different standard? I'm sorry, point me to where I said his apology was a contract? I'm confused. Did you not read carefully?
You said that since his Twitter post was not a contract, we shouldn't expect anything from him as a result of it. I pointed out that this thread/apology isn't a contract either yet we are expected to accept it, so why would the Twitter post be any different.
I'm genuinely confused by your reply. I never said you stated his apology was a contract, only illustrated that if we're to take this apology at face value then we should be able to take his Twitter post at face value as well. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:58:00 -
[2879] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Quote:
This forum thread isn't a legally binding contract either, but we're supposed to accept his apology at face value. Why would his Twitter post be held to a different standard?
I'm sorry, point me to where I said his apology was a contract? dont play the naive, you know exactly what he is saying
I'm sorry, but no I really don't. There's a difference between a personal decision to accept an apology on a public forum, and expecting somebody to follow through on something they said on Twitter. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:59:00 -
[2880] - Quote
Doddy wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Its the same thing in the wash.
But this is a powerful person in the game whom has an army of sycophantic followers. He pretty much was dousing the person he named with gasoline while giving his buddies matches.
Afaik no-one acted on what he said, and an evemail is considerably less deadly than being set alight even if you do have suicidal tendencies, so once again you are twisting things. Sure there may have been a couple of guys listening who thought "it would be fun to greif this guy" but it is only in your fantasy that thousands of goons hang on Mittanis every drunken word.
To you yes, but you can not put your thought processes on someone with a mental health problem. Rational thought goes out of the window and it can take the mostmundane of things to tip someone over the edge.
I have worked in many jobs in my working life. One of those was in a mental health hosptial s an auxillary. The staff had a basic saying and that was "there but for the grace of (name your divintiy here) go I".
Some consider bullying as "part of the course" of growing up. Yet people have ran away or killed themselves over bullying. Those that are indifferent to it tend to be the bullies or those that stood on the side lines and let it happen. They say it to make themselves feel better about themselves.
Again I am talking generally here. |
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DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:00:00 -
[2881] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Quote:
This forum thread isn't a legally binding contract either, but we're supposed to accept his apology at face value. Why would his Twitter post be held to a different standard?
I'm sorry, point me to where I said his apology was a contract? dont play the naive, you know exactly what he is saying I'm sorry, but no I really don't. There's a difference between a personal decision to accept an apology on a public forum, and expecting somebody to follow through on something they said on Twitter.
If hes twitter message means nothing, this apology means nothing and vice versa. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
150
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:01:00 -
[2882] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
We will worry about that when I do something as horrible as he did.
I don't know how it works in your morale code. But my morale code tells me to stop kicking a man who's already down. This isn't dependant on who's on the floor but depends only on the one who decides to kick or not.
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GatoOFruits
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:01:00 -
[2883] - Quote
IMHO because we cannot assume the mental state of every player, all players have to exercise some restraint as EVE bullying blurs the line between RL and Eve-the-game. If not I can already predict that at a Fanfest event in the near future somebody gonna get shot or physically assaulted... |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:02:00 -
[2884] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote: I'm confused. Did you not read carefully?
You said that since his Twitter post was not a contract, we shouldn't expect anything form him as a result of it. I pointed out that this thread/apology isn't a contract either yet we are expected to accept it, so why would the Twitter post be any different.
I'm genuinely confused by your reply. I never said you stated his apology was a contract, only illustrated that if we're to take this apology at face value then we should be able to take his Twitter post at face value as well.
I think the key difference in thinking here is that, from my perspective anyway, nobody's expecting you to accept his apology. Then again, my personal opinion is that this should've been a private apology, not a 170-page threadnaught on the eve-o forums. In his apology, Mittani makes no promises to do anything, he simply fesses up to what we can all say was a major slip-up. On his Twitter post, he mentioned a 3-step plan that he formulated and posted while still on the plane back from Iceland, and is being expected to live up to it. I don't see either as a legally-binding contract but an apology doesn't need to be a contract to be an apology. My $0.02. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:02:00 -
[2885] - Quote
Voull wrote:I really don't get how anyone can defend him. He has brought a lot of negative attention to our community, and the only reason we don't all look like douchebags is because some have been very vocal in denouncing his actions.
He admitted he did wrong and said he was going to resign. What is there to argue here?
What exactly is "our community"?
And the argument is with people who want him banned, mostly for their own political reasons.
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ConranAntoni
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:02:00 -
[2886] - Quote
God can someone lock this thread, the level of terrible posting and idiots crapping up the forums with their QQ is too much for one forum section to handle. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
150
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:04:00 -
[2887] - Quote
Voull wrote:I really don't get how anyone can defend him. He has brought a lot of negative attention to our community, and the only reason we don't all look like douchebags is because some have been very vocal in denouncing his actions.
He admitted he did wrong and said he was going to resign. What is there to argue here?
Actually. He made the mistake. But the ones who brought it out to all the gamingsites are the ones who decided to hang the dirty laundry out. It's not asif Mittens told them to print that. Isn't the reporting of something like that the responcebility anymore of those who report it or make it public anymore?
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Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:06:00 -
[2888] - Quote
ConranAntoni wrote:God can someone lock this thread, the level of terrible posting and idiots crapping up the forums with their QQ is too much for one forum section to handle.
If they did how many threads do you think will have appeared by later on today?
It is better leaving it in one thread.
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Bane Necran
183
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:07:00 -
[2889] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:I don't know how it works in your morale code. But my morale code tells me to stop kicking a man who's already down.
Yeah, poor Mittani
I guarantee he's absolutely remorseless, and probably enjoying the attention. However this has to end. If he doesn't follow through on his claim to resign, this will only get worse. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:08:00 -
[2890] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Voull wrote:I really don't get how anyone can defend him. He has brought a lot of negative attention to our community, and the only reason we don't all look like douchebags is because some have been very vocal in denouncing his actions.
He admitted he did wrong and said he was going to resign. What is there to argue here? Actually. He made the mistake. But the ones who brought it out to all the gamingsites are the ones who decided to hang the dirty laundry out. It's not asif Mittens told them to print that. Isn't the reporting of something like that the responcebility anymore of those who report it or make it public anymore?
that will not work, and is a bad tactic painting the messenger as the evil doer
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:08:00 -
[2891] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Doddy wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Its the same thing in the wash.
But this is a powerful person in the game whom has an army of sycophantic followers. He pretty much was dousing the person he named with gasoline while giving his buddies matches.
Afaik no-one acted on what he said, and an evemail is considerably less deadly than being set alight even if you do have suicidal tendencies, so once again you are twisting things. Sure there may have been a couple of guys listening who thought "it would be fun to greif this guy" but it is only in your fantasy that thousands of goons hang on Mittanis every drunken word. To you yes, but you can not put your thought processes on someone with a mental health problem. Rational thought goes out of the window and it can take the mostmundane of things to tip someone over the edge. I have worked in many jobs in my working life. One of those was in a mental health hosptial s an auxillary. The staff had a basic saying and that was "there but for the grace of (name your divintiy here) go I". Some consider bullying as "part of the course" of growing up. Yet people have ran away or killed themselves over bullying. Those that are indifferent to it tend to be the bullies or those that stood on the side lines and let it happen. They say it to make themselves feel better about themselves. Again I am talking generally here.
Thats just it, you are speaking generally. In reality the chances of any given email actually pushing someone over the edge are very slim. On the other hand being set alight is pretty much guaranteed to do you damage. I do not deny what Mittani did was worng and could conceivably have led to something terrible, but it is a long long way from being a death sentance like rogue is making out, even if the imaginary flurry of emails had ever been sent.
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Zanmaru
Broski North Black Legion.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:10:00 -
[2892] - Quote
We're still going on about this? Shoot, I forgot what Mittani did now. Was he the one who shot that hobo? |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:10:00 -
[2893] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Amity Lane wrote: I'm confused. Did you not read carefully?
You said that since his Twitter post was not a contract, we shouldn't expect anything form him as a result of it. I pointed out that this thread/apology isn't a contract either yet we are expected to accept it, so why would the Twitter post be any different.
I'm genuinely confused by your reply. I never said you stated his apology was a contract, only illustrated that if we're to take this apology at face value then we should be able to take his Twitter post at face value as well.
I think the key difference in thinking here is that, from my perspective anyway, nobody's expecting you to accept his apology. Then again, my personal opinion is that this should've been a private apology, not a 140-page threadnaught on the eve-o forums. In his apology, Mittani makes no promises to do anything, he simply fesses up to what we can all say was a major slip-up. On his Twitter post, he mentioned a 3-step plan that he formulated and posted while still on the plane back from Iceland, and is being expected to live up to it. I don't see either as a legally-binding contract but an apology doesn't need to be a contract to be an apology. My $0.02.
if he doesnt resign, as pointed out his apology will mean nothing and even i cannot immense the outcry
for his own sake and RL face, i really hope he has some standards
edit: the mittani can do whatever he wants, but hes in charge with his RL name , some of you seem to forget |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
147
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:11:00 -
[2894] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Voull wrote:I really don't get how anyone can defend him. He has brought a lot of negative attention to our community, and the only reason we don't all look like douchebags is because some have been very vocal in denouncing his actions.
He admitted he did wrong and said he was going to resign. What is there to argue here? What exactly is "our community"? And the argument is with people who want him banned, mostly for their own political reasons.
There are people that want him banned but there's also people that consider resignation from the CSM as being an exceptable response.
There are people that have a political agenda and there's also people that have no political agenda.
But whatever happens it's CCPs decision at the end of the day. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
287
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:12:00 -
[2895] - Quote
Gas thread, keep OP as chairman. |
Jita Alt666
966
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:12:00 -
[2896] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
We will worry about that when I do something as horrible as he did.
I don't know how it works in your morale code. But my morale code tells me to stop kicking a man who's already down. This isn't dependant on who's on the floor but depends only on the one who decides to kick or not.
And Jesus said, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone." |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:13:00 -
[2897] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Doddy wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Its the same thing in the wash.
But this is a powerful person in the game whom has an army of sycophantic followers. He pretty much was dousing the person he named with gasoline while giving his buddies matches.
Afaik no-one acted on what he said, and an evemail is considerably less deadly than being set alight even if you do have suicidal tendencies, so once again you are twisting things. Sure there may have been a couple of guys listening who thought "it would be fun to greif this guy" but it is only in your fantasy that thousands of goons hang on Mittanis every drunken word. To you yes, but you can not put your thought processes on someone with a mental health problem. Rational thought goes out of the window and it can take the mostmundane of things to tip someone over the edge. I have worked in many jobs in my working life. One of those was in a mental health hosptial s an auxillary. The staff had a basic saying and that was "there but for the grace of (name your divintiy here) go I". Some consider bullying as "part of the course" of growing up. Yet people have ran away or killed themselves over bullying. Those that are indifferent to it tend to be the bullies or those that stood on the side lines and let it happen. They say it to make themselves feel better about themselves. Again I am talking generally here. Thats just it, you are speaking generally. In reality the chances of any given email actually pushing someone over the edge are very slim. On the other hand being set alight is pretty much guaranteed to do you damage. I do not deny what Mittani did was worng and could conceivably have led to something terrible, but it is a long long way from being a death sentance like rogue is making out, even if the imaginary flurry of emails had ever been sent.
When I said I was talking generally I meant I was not aiming an attack at anyone, as in it was not aimed, I appologise as this was not clear in my post as it was in reference to the paragraph above it.
Again you can not place rational thought or what you think is irrelevant on to a person who is already unbalanced what can or can not tip someone over the edge is personal. going off on a tangent, most places have a solutions to debts that could effectively get rid of them, yet people kill themselves and in some cases their entire family over them.
In reality you do not know if that email is the straw that breaks the camels back or not. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:14:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:L00B wrote:Princess Bride wrote:
What? I don't even...
I suggest more of the above 'breathing', and less of the 'running of your idiot mouth'. Your brain will thrive on the oxygen, and you might actually achieve sentience sometime this decade. So empty hyperbole and insults are all you have left huh? Well, thanks for playing. When you come up with any counterpoints or excuses for why your beloved leader pulled a David Hasselhoff at Fanfest, lemme know.
All I have? Hardly. The only thing that seems to speak to you? Yes. Spending several pages illustrating why your opinion means not a whit to this whole scenario? Didn't seem to wind you. Pointing out that you had an agenda before any of this happened, which takes away from every statement you make? Mere logic won't phase you a bit, that sort of thing is for the common people!
But several people call you the idiot you are in the space of a page or two, and oh, man! Hey, that's out of line, we can be above this kind of crap, right?
No, you can't. Nor can anyone dealing with you. I wasn't insulting you.... I was illustrating that you are hardly unbiased, just like Jade, and your credibility is shot. No one cared about what you thought before Saturday, and people should hardly think that Saturday makes you matter either. That's why I feel it's important for people to know how busted your brain is. It's not an insult, baby. It's a public ******* service.
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:16:00 -
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Derrick Munroe wrote:Amity Lane wrote: I'm confused. Did you not read carefully?
You said that since his Twitter post was not a contract, we shouldn't expect anything form him as a result of it. I pointed out that this thread/apology isn't a contract either yet we are expected to accept it, so why would the Twitter post be any different.
I'm genuinely confused by your reply. I never said you stated his apology was a contract, only illustrated that if we're to take this apology at face value then we should be able to take his Twitter post at face value as well.
I think the key difference in thinking here is that, from my perspective anyway, nobody's expecting you to accept his apology. Well I think Mittani is, and judging by several of their posts over the last day or so many GSF members and other assorted Mittani supporters do. That is of course speculative...I'm no mind-reader.
Quote: Then again, my personal opinion is that this should've been a private apology, not a 140-page threadnaught on the eve-o forums.
]In his apology, Mittani makes no promises to do anything, he simply fesses up to what we can all say was a major slip-up.
I respectfully disagree, as to me the issue isn't that he ganked a down-on-his-luck miner but that he encouraged breaking of game rules, which is more of a community thing. Either way, I don't think his apology has done or could do any harm at least.
"We all" can't say that. It's subjective. Many people in these threads still maintain he's done nothing wrong. I'm of mixed feelings, depending on if I go with my logical side ("he's technically broken no rules") or my personal side ("encouraging harassment isn't very friendly"). I'll never use my personal feelings to sway a discussion such as this if I can help it, though.
Quote:On his Twitter post, he mentioned a 3-step plan that he formulated and posted while still on the plane back from Iceland, and is being expected to live up to it. I personally don't see much of a difference between the two forums. They're both public statements made by him. Sure, he may have made one hastily and without foresight, but it's still there. As you yourself admitted, failing to follow through would hurt his credibility.
Quote:I don't see either as a legally-binding contract but an apology doesn't need to be a contract to be an apology. My $0.02.
A promise doesn't need to be a contract to be a promise either. In fact, promises can be considered contracts at times (though from what I understand that's one of the fuzziest possible legal scenarios and I don't put much stock in the whole "verbal contract" thing).
Just adding my two agorot to your pennies. Eventually we'll be able to buy a stamp. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
343
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:16:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
We will worry about that when I do something as horrible as he did.
I don't know how it works in your morale code. But my morale code tells me to stop kicking a man who's already down. This isn't dependant on who's on the floor but depends only on the one who decides to kick or not. And Jesus said, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone."
Followed by "stop it Mom" |
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
153
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:18:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Yeah, poor Mittani I guarantee he's absolutely remorseless, and probably enjoying the attention. However this has to end. If he doesn't follow through on his claim to resign, this will only get worse.
I couldn't care less what happens with The Mittani. However people are so darn eager to forget that behind The Mittani is a player named Alexander. Your bashing and constant calling for his hanging is also considered socalled cyber-bullying.
Are you a CCP representative? No you are not. Are you someone elected by the community to represent the community? No you are not. Are you one of the masses which cries "Burn the witch" ? This is more likely.
You say you guarantee that Alexander is completely remorseless and probably enjoying the attention. Please prove this. Else I need to petition you for deformation and slander.
You have ansolutely no idea how CCP and the CSM will respond to this so you just keep rekindling the fire of " If this and this doesn not happen I will that and that"
You are the worst kind of bystander when an accident happens. I have seen your kind more than once and will see your kind more than once. instead of being a helping hand you can't get enough of the blood and gore on the ground and just need to press your nose forward while yelling. Just incase you might miss a spot of the crimescene and can't talk with your best buds about it. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
153
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:19:00 -
[2902] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote: that will not work, and is a bad tactic painting the messenger as the evil doer
As soon as the messenger is the one bringing oil to the flames he stops being a messenger and is a participant.
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
245
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:20:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:just come out and say it mittani should resign
because goons ganked your macks because he shitcanned your space barbie gay bar because cfc evicted your regions because he nerfed your supercaps and titans because you got recruitment scammed because you was a goon hater all along
and this is the only time when you can do something about your impotent rage and hatred for him, kick a man while he is down is how youse bitchess roll
ya'll bitchessses aint shite
You always have such a balanced perspective on things. Frankly I'm concerned about what this could do to the game if this is ignored. Not really worried about about Goon's, sorry your low on the list. lol ok so your nutjob obsession for wis spacebarbie emoting gay bar, makes you such a balanced authority on things, tell me, what would happen to this game if "this" was ignored, massively reports on shitfail korean games that i really could care less about, it's not even gamespot or ign ffs,
wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Cord Binchiette
Kzinti Hegemony
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:21:00 -
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I doubt the apology is sincere. I doubt if he would have written it without such an outcry. I suspect his immediate response of, "deal with it" was more in line with his true intentions.
(shrug) It may impact how we are perceived by the rest of the gaming world, but there isn't anything we can do about it now. The barn doors are open and the horse is gone. Besides, in six months he's going to be joking and bragging about how he got away with telling his alliance to kill the guy.
I do hope CCP bans him. Not for what he did....
....but what an emboldened mittani is going to do next. |
Bane Necran
184
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:22:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Your bashing and constant calling for his hanging is also considered socalled cyber-bullying.
I've just pointed out similarities his behavior has with a particular psychological diagnoses. I never said he *was* anything. And i'm not one of those out for blood, i just want him to do as he said he would. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:23:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Doddy wrote:Voull wrote:I really don't get how anyone can defend him. He has brought a lot of negative attention to our community, and the only reason we don't all look like douchebags is because some have been very vocal in denouncing his actions.
He admitted he did wrong and said he was going to resign. What is there to argue here? What exactly is "our community"? And the argument is with people who want him banned, mostly for their own political reasons. There are people that want him banned but there's also people that consider resignation from the CSM as being an exceptable response. There are people that have a political agenda and there's also people that have no political agenda. But whatever happens it's CCPs decision at the end of the day.
No actually its Alexanders decision. A decision he claimed he had made, it was a good decision. Sadly his ego seems to have taken over again and the humility of his apology is exposed as weasling to keep his position. If he resigned as he said he would then this would all start to blow over. His apology at the moment is like a comment on $1000 jeans. Follow through on your statement to resign, show some real humility. Yes Alexander will lose his free trip to Iceland, he will lose his profile but he will keep some credibility. If he puts CCP in a position where they have to take action because of the outcry well Alexander isnt going to like the outcome. Hilmar has been waiting like Salome for this oppurtunity to burst Alexanders ego bubble and could quite easily use it to limit the CSM. By not resigning he only makes himself look like a worse douche than his fanfest statements have already painted him.
Alexander do the right thing resign and get some credibility back |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:24:00 -
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Kalathia Eginald wrote:[
Again you can not place rational thought or what you think is irrelevant on to a person who is already unbalanced what can or can not tip someone over the edge is personal. going off on a tangent, most places have a solutions to debts that could effectively get rid of them, yet people kill themselves and in some cases their entire family over them.
In reality you do not know if that email is the straw that breaks the camels back or not.
Yes, but by the same token the guy losing his ship in the first place could have done it, the current furore could do it or something unrelated could do it. Most likely none will have any effect at all. Most suicidal people do not kill themselves and the majority who do do not have some specific reason to do so.
Exposing someone to the possibility of something that has a small chance in resulting in their death is not the same as setting them on fire.
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:29:00 -
[2908] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:just come out and say it mittani should resign
because goons ganked your macks because he shitcanned your space barbie gay bar because cfc evicted your regions because he nerfed your supercaps and titans because you got recruitment scammed because you was a goon hater all along
and this is the only time when you can do something about your impotent rage and hatred for him, kick a man while he is down is how youse bitchess roll
ya'll bitchessses aint shite
You always have such a balanced perspective on things. Frankly I'm concerned about what this could do to the game if this is ignored. Not really worried about about Goon's, sorry your low on the list. lol ok so your nutjob obsession for wis spacebarbie emoting gay bar, makes you such a balanced authority on things, tell me, what would happen to this game if "this" was ignored, massively reports on shitfail korean games that i really could care less about, it's not even gamespot or ign ffs,
Actually its all over gamespot, just type in Eveonline cyberbully to google and you will see how far this has spread.
WI used to be cool what happened? not even an alliance anymore and it was such a cool logo. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:33:00 -
[2909] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:just come out and say it mittani should resign
because goons ganked your macks because he shitcanned your space barbie gay bar because cfc evicted your regions because he nerfed your supercaps and titans because you got recruitment scammed because you was a goon hater all along
and this is the only time when you can do something about your impotent rage and hatred for him, kick a man while he is down is how youse bitchess roll
ya'll bitchessses aint shite
You always have such a balanced perspective on things. Frankly I'm concerned about what this could do to the game if this is ignored. Not really worried about about Goon's, sorry your low on the list. lol ok so your nutjob obsession for wis spacebarbie emoting gay bar, makes you such a balanced authority on things, tell me, what would happen to this game if "this" was ignored, massively reports on shitfail korean games that i really could care less about, it's not even gamespot or ign ffs, Actually its all over gamespot, just type in Eveonline cyberbully to google and you will see how far this has spread. WI used to be cool what happened? not even an alliance anymore and it was such a cool logo.
I did what you said. I got a forum post on gamespot.
Get out. |
Jita Alt666
966
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:34:00 -
[2910] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
We will worry about that when I do something as horrible as he did.
I don't know how it works in your morale code. But my morale code tells me to stop kicking a man who's already down. This isn't dependant on who's on the floor but depends only on the one who decides to kick or not. And Jesus said, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone." Followed by "stop it Mom"
You are quick to mock and pointed with your views, but lack the humility and compassion that is needed to add substance to your intellect. The lack of compassion expressed by the Mittani toward an individual suffering illness was his major folly - like many in this and other threads you express the same underlying folly.
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D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:34:00 -
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Here's that terrible forum post.
http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29111530/eve-online-clan-leader-calls-for-cyber-bullying..-then-retracts
Truly, the blogospheres are buzzing and twitting about this massive online scandal. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
289
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:35:00 -
[2912] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote: No actually its Alexanders decision. A decision he claimed he had made, it was a good decision. Sadly his ego seems to have taken over again and the humility of his apology is exposed as weasling to keep his position.
I hope you know the response was in jest, as it should have been. Anyone who got trolled by it is seriously out of touch with reality. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:36:00 -
[2913] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
We will worry about that when I do something as horrible as he did.
I don't know how it works in your morale code. But my morale code tells me to stop kicking a man who's already down. This isn't dependant on who's on the floor but depends only on the one who decides to kick or not. And Jesus said, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone." Followed by "stop it Mom" You are quick to mock and pointed with your views, but lack the humility and compassion that is needed to add substance to your intellect. The lack of compassion expressed by the Mittani toward an individual suffering illness was his major folly - like many in this and other threads you express the same underlying folly.
You would be a better troll if your writing skills were better. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:39:00 -
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I dont deny its a terrible forum post on gamespot amongst the other 24000 hits that search will bring you. However it comes to somthing when WoW are laughing at our playerbase not the other way around. Thats what the chairman of the CSM has done, exposed us to ridicule by WoW. It will get worse if he now fails to do what he claimed he would and resign. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:44:00 -
[2915] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:I dont deny its a terrible forum post on gamespot amongst the other 24000 hits that search will bring you. However it comes to somthing when WoW are laughing at our playerbase not the other way around. Thats what the chairman of the CSM has done, exposed us to ridicule by WoW. It will get worse if he now fails to do what he claimed he would and resign.
Way to both move those goalposts and not have any idea how google generates search results!
Your argument has literally devolved to "The Mittani should resign because there's a thread on the WoW forums about us." |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:49:00 -
[2916] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote: I dont deny its a terrible forum post on gamespot amongst the other 24000 hits that search will bring you. However it comes to somthing when WoW are laughing at our playerbase not the other way around. Thats what the chairman of the CSM has done, exposed us to ridicule by WoW. It will get worse if he now fails to do what he claimed he would and resign.
Ahahahaha, you think that wow players don't already laugh at spergy space ship nerds, as much as we laugh at generic elves in slutmail? Oh look, a copy of NC's forums: http://dumps.eve-leaks.co.uk/nc-dot.com/forum.html |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1192
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:51:00 -
[2917] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Alexander do the right thing resign and get some credibility back
In quite possibly the most hilarious piece of puffery in this thread, Broneck Squad wants to talk about credibility.
No matter what happens, you do know you're not going to be Chairman, right, Darius? NDA breaches are still serious business, even if you got away with it the last time. |
Sara XIII
My lil Tax Shelter
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:55:00 -
[2918] - Quote
Apology accepted. Keep up the good work. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:56:00 -
[2919] - Quote
D Derp wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:I dont deny its a terrible forum post on gamespot amongst the other 24000 hits that search will bring you. However it comes to somthing when WoW are laughing at our playerbase not the other way around. Thats what the chairman of the CSM has done, exposed us to ridicule by WoW. It will get worse if he now fails to do what he claimed he would and resign. Way to both move those goalposts and not have any idea how google generates search results! Your argument has literally devolved into "The Mittani should resign because there's a thread on the WoW forums about us."
No no you misunderstand me sir. The fact that WoW are laughing at us simply makes the situation worse. HOwever I think he should resign because what was said was utterly stupid, offensive, potentially dangerous and simply way past the line. The fact that the gaming press and blogospheres as you cutely put it are buzzing is obviously an issue that heightens the odious comment made at fanfest into the larger gaming community. Alexander wanted a high profile and did just about everything he could to get himself into the gaming press. That profile means his actions have repurcussions. Im pretty sure there were many drunken offensive comments made at fanfest. The difference is the profile of the offender guves it more publicity. He has done some really good things for Eve and Im happy to say that but if he tries to continue in his role on the CSM, then he, the CSM and the playerbase will suffer. He will become a lame duck chairman with no credibility. Are the gaming press going to give him a platform to air his views on Eve when gaming forums are touting him as a cyberbully? nope they arent. Sometimes you have to take you medicine no matter how foul it tastes to get better. If he wants to retain his credibility and at some point regain the profile he has worked so hard to cultivate then he should resign. Then we can all move on. |
Ashen Molotov
Plantains
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:57:00 -
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Being somewhat new to EvE I'm sure most will dismiss what I say as they will think it's from someone who really doesn't know the history behind Goon and their leader. Honestly that would be completely true, however I also think that makes me pretty objective as personally I could care less one way or the other if the guy stays or doesn't.
With that said this is only my second post on these forums. In my first post I actually stated how I thought highly of the Goons for the simple fact that everything on these forums seems to find it's way into a discussion about them. That to me is power. Love them or hate them you have to respect the influence they have in this game.
To me this whole situation is crazy. In a way that's a good thing b/c the entire reason I even wanted to try EvE was b/c I visited massively.com on a daily basis and reading about all the cut throat scams that go on in this game just made me want to try it. Sure this game is NOT real but it is in my opinion the closest game I've ever played in relation to how "real" it feels.
Goon has been good for EvE. Again I don't have much info to back this up but just judging from things I have read I'd say they are responsible for a good portion of the player base as well being responsible for bringing guys like me to the game who love reading about their accomplishments.
With that said I believe CCP is in between a rock and hard place here. Make no mistake if this had been ANY other EvE player they would have been banned already for crossing the line between in game harrasment and real life harrasment. In fact I doubt there is any online game in existence who wouldn't have already bounced the person in question.
I don't know this Mittani (sic?) in game or in real life in anyway at all so I can't judge where I think his heart is. I have always been taught to give people the benefit of the doubt so with that said It's my belief that he is sincere in his apology. However part of me can't help but feel that maybe if he is not sincere it's simply an attempt to convince CCP not to ban him from EvE.
So what does all of this rambling add up to?
In short I think if you combine both possibilities there is no other answer but for CCP to ban the guy. I hate saying that but it's just simple. Even if he is sincere and remorseful that should not remove the consequences of his actions. You cannot break a law and say sorry judge and expect not to be punished. If he is not sincere then well it's fairly obvious he should be.
Just my 2 cents (or should I say 2 dollars) and sorry for the long ass post. |
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:00:00 -
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Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote: I dont deny its a terrible forum post on gamespot amongst the other 24000 hits that search will bring you. However it comes to somthing when WoW are laughing at our playerbase not the other way around. Thats what the chairman of the CSM has done, exposed us to ridicule by WoW. It will get worse if he now fails to do what he claimed he would and resign.
Ahahahaha, you think that wow players don't already laugh at spergy space ship nerds, as much as we laugh at generic elves in slutmail?
Meanwhile everyone in real life doesn't know we exist and or is laughing at us both. |
Muestereate
Two Geezers in Space
32
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:02:00 -
[2922] - Quote
Can I start an Unsubbing all my accounts thread? |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
347
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:02:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:Your bashing and constant calling for his hanging is also considered socalled cyber-bullying.
Name names and ill report them myself mate.
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:02:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Alexander do the right thing resign and get some credibility back In quite possibly the most hilarious piece of puffery in this thread, Broneck Squad wants to talk about credibility. No matter what happens, you do know you're not going to be Chairman, right, Darius? NDA breaches are still serious business, even if you got away with it the last time.
lols are you accusing me of being Darius? thats uber funny. I have no political axe to grind nor do I personally have any issue with the goons. Im happy to acknowledge the good stuff done in the CSM by all the delegates last year.
As for hilarious puffery you clearly havent read the OP in that you get puffery and pomposity wrapped up in fake humility, its much more amusing than mine. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
35
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:20:00 -
[2925] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
No no you misunderstand me sir. The fact that WoW are laughing at us simply makes the situation worse. HOwever I think he should resign because what was said was utterly stupid, offensive, potentially dangerous and simply way past the line. The fact that the gaming press and blogospheres as you cutely put it are buzzing is obviously an issue that heightens the odious comment made at fanfest into the larger gaming community. Alexander wanted a high profile and did just about everything he could to get himself into the gaming press. That profile means his actions have repurcussions. Im pretty sure there were many drunken offensive comments made at fanfest. The difference is the profile of the offender guves it more publicity. He has done some really good things for Eve and Im happy to say that but if he tries to continue in his role on the CSM, then he, the CSM and the playerbase will suffer. He will become a lame duck chairman with no credibility. Are the gaming press going to give him a platform to air his views on Eve when gaming forums are touting him as a cyberbully? nope they arent. Sometimes you have to take you medicine no matter how foul it tastes to get better. If he wants to retain his credibility and at some point regain the profile he has worked so hard to cultivate then he should resign. Then we can all move on.
"The fact that the gaming press and blogospheres as you cutely put it are buzzing is obviously an issue"
I was trying to really, really sarcastically imply that not very many people outside of eve-o forums care. You seemed to miss that. And the rest of your post past that seemed to more or less be gibberish about how nobody will listen to mittani about x thing being bad or good because he got drunk and made an ass of himself that one time. |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
106
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:21:00 -
[2926] - Quote
My, my, what a threadnaught this turned out to be. You guys are really this upset about a game? Even a metagame at that, you should all know when to log out and go outside for a bit. I hear that the US is thawing out now, bloody seasonal changes and all. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Mithena
Sons of Ivaldi Zero Hour Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:21:00 -
[2927] - Quote
Cord Binchiette wrote:I doubt the apology is sincere. I doubt if he would have written it without such an outcry. I suspect his immediate response of, "deal with it" was more in line with his true intentions.
(shrug) It may impact how we are perceived by the rest of the gaming world, but there isn't anything we can do about it now. The barn doors are open and the horse is gone. Besides, in six months he's going to be joking and bragging about how he got away with telling his alliance to kill the guy.
I do hope CCP bans him. Not for what he did....
....but what an emboldened mittani is going to do next.
This.
I like the Mittani, I like the crazy arrogance, I like that he is the most powerful player in EVE.
However, CCP has to distance themselves from this sort of thing, they have to ban him. It's business.
What will really be interesting is if The Mittani gets banned and tries to retaliate. Are EVE and CCP strong enough to survive the wrath of the game's most powerful player? |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
35
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:21:00 -
[2928] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote: lols are you accusing me of being Darius? thats uber funny. I have no political axe to grind nor do I personally have any issue with the goons. Im happy to acknowledge the good stuff done in the CSM by all the delegates last year.
As for hilarious puffery you clearly havent read the OP in that you get puffery and pomposity wrapped up in fake humility, its much more amusing than mine.
Darius is probably smarter, I dunno. And you clearly have some sort of axe to grind. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
349
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:26:00 -
[2929] - Quote
TheButcherPete wrote:My, my, what a threadnaught this turned out to be. You guys are really this upset about a game? Even a metagame at that, you should all know when to log out and go outside for a bit. I hear that the US is thawing out now, bloody seasonal changes and all.
Its about someone taking the game into real life with real life consequences.
Basically what the Mittani did at fanfest. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
40
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:29:00 -
[2930] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:My, my, what a threadnaught this turned out to be. You guys are really this upset about a game? Even a metagame at that, you should all know when to log out and go outside for a bit. I hear that the US is thawing out now, bloody seasonal changes and all. Its about someone taking the game into real life with real life consequences. Basically what the Mittani did at fanfest.
Let me rephrase his post for you.
My, my, what a threadnaught this turned out to be. You guys are really this upset about something a drunk said about some attention grubbing miner in a game? Even a metagame at that, you should all know when to log out and go outside for a bit. I hear that the US is thawing out now, bloody seasonal changes and all. |
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TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
106
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:34:00 -
[2931] - Quote
D Derp wrote:RougeOperator wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:My, my, what a threadnaught this turned out to be. You guys are really this upset about a game? Even a metagame at that, you should all know when to log out and go outside for a bit. I hear that the US is thawing out now, bloody seasonal changes and all. Its about someone taking the game into real life with real life consequences. Basically what the Mittani did at fanfest. Let me rephrase his post for you. My, my, what a threadnaught this turned out to be. You guys are really this upset about something a drunk said about some attention grubbing miner in a game? Even a metagame at that, you should all know when to log out and go outside for a bit. I hear that the US is thawing out now, bloody seasonal changes and all.
Indeed. Mittens is cool with me, the guy didn't kill himself. Who opens their heart to someone on EVE and expects an honest answer? You told MITTENS, king of the TROLLS, that you were suicidal? oh boy.
"Oh, you ganked my Mackinaw, I was already going through a divorce. I can't handle this!"
Left himself open to be trolled. What's the moral of the story? Never give anyone dirt on you. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Xpaulusx
V I R I I Ineluctable.
32
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:36:00 -
[2932] - Quote
Christ.......like a bunch of old WashWomen here, give it a break. The guy apologized whether you believe it or not dosen't matter, its in CCP's hands now. Faster we bury this the better it is for the game & community. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
154
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:55:00 -
[2933] - Quote
Xpaulusx wrote:Christ.......like a bunch of old WashWomen here, give it a break. The guy apologized whether you believe it or not dosen't matter, its in CCP's hands now. Faster we bury this the better it is for the game & community.
Eh this is entertaining. We're taking bets on Mittens disbanding the alliance for a comedy trifecta (All my stuff is in my SMA ready to jump to lowsec). |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:56:00 -
[2934] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:My, my, what a threadnaught this turned out to be. You guys are really this upset about a game? Even a metagame at that, you should all know when to log out and go outside for a bit. I hear that the US is thawing out now, bloody seasonal changes and all. Its about someone taking the game into real life with real life consequences. Basically what the Mittani did at fanfest.
Oops, there weren't any real life consequences. |
Von Mellenthin
Air EVE Napalm Sticks To Kids
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:58:00 -
[2935] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Von Mellenthin wrote:A product of the zero-defect society we live in now. Have to remember we are all human and some of us like to drink beer. Yet the people we vote to represent us are and must be held to a higher standard than the rest of society as they are there to make decisions that can affect our lives for a long time to come, whether that is real world or game lives. they should also know to control themselves in public situation. However when they do make a mistake an appology should be given and they should show they have learnt form it. This shows some level of strength of character. If however they repeat it again and agina then they need to step down.
You make a good points, but I personally cannot take an elected official from a video game as seriously as RL. It is just not that important. |
weat bix
Kiwi's and Company Mordus Angels
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 02:59:00 -
[2936] - Quote
I guess if ccp ban him for "calling for the harassment of a player until he kills himself if that is what you want to do" some will be happy, if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self . seems simple to me |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1335
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:01:00 -
[2937] - Quote
Xpaulusx wrote:Christ.......like a bunch of old WashWomen here, give it a break. The guy apologized whether you believe it or not dosen't matter, its in CCP's hands now. Faster we bury this the better it is for the game & community.
True, but the good of the game... not to mention the welfare of the non-victim... are the furthest thing from the minds of the self righteous mob.
There was no crime committed, no harassment done, and depending on whatever agreements panel presenters need to agree to (if any) and your interpretation of CSM duties and responsibilities quite possibly no rules broken (this wasn't done in game or on the forums).
So there you have it, a bad drunken joke that nobody took seriously (including the non-victim) and a possible EULA violation that might warrant a temp ban. An apology was made, restitution offered and accepted between adults, and a review being conducted to see if any official action is needed.
However that won't slow down this train wreck in the slightest. The spot light is on and everyone wants to stand under it. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
349
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:02:00 -
[2938] - Quote
weat bix wrote:I guess if ccp ban him for "calling for the harassment of a player until he kills himself if that is what you want to do" some will be happy, if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self . seems simple to me
This is the problem CCP is faced with now.
And im sorry Alex needs to have some highly visible punishment.
Simple apologies do not cut it. |
Bumrush
Helljumpers Hades.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:08:00 -
[2939] - Quote
Xpaulusx wrote:Christ.......like a bunch of old WashWomen here, give it a break. The guy apologized whether you believe it or not dosen't matter, its in CCP's hands now. Faster we bury this the better it is for the game & community.
Mittens could resign and take it out of CCP's hands |
Jaqa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:08:00 -
[2940] - Quote
*hugs* why is this a thread?
The Internet has been around for a while now, stop acting like this sort of thing is new and unheard of. Alcohol + Internet Spaceships + Politics = Move along. The Original Jaqalope Pilot of the Transportosaurus Rex 100% Free Range |
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Logix42
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:09:00 -
[2941] - Quote
Thank you Mittani for your apology Accelerate your particles out of my system immediately! |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:10:00 -
[2942] - Quote
Mithena wrote:Cord Binchiette wrote:I doubt the apology is sincere. I doubt if he would have written it without such an outcry. I suspect his immediate response of, "deal with it" was more in line with his true intentions.
(shrug) It may impact how we are perceived by the rest of the gaming world, but there isn't anything we can do about it now. The barn doors are open and the horse is gone. Besides, in six months he's going to be joking and bragging about how he got away with telling his alliance to kill the guy.
I do hope CCP bans him. Not for what he did....
....but what an emboldened mittani is going to do next. This. I like the Mittani, I like the crazy arrogance, I like that he is the most powerful player in EVE. However, CCP has to distance themselves from this sort of thing, they have to ban him. It's business. What will really be interesting is if The Mittani gets banned and tries to retaliate. Are EVE and CCP strong enough to survive the wrath of the game's most powerful player? heavy is the head that wears the concern troll crown |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
42
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:11:00 -
[2943] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:weat bix wrote:I guess if ccp ban him for "calling for the harassment of a player until he kills himself if that is what you want to do" some will be happy, if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self . seems simple to me This is the problem CCP is faced with now. And im sorry Alex needs to have some highly visible punishment. Simple apologies do not cut it.
Why, because you say so? |
Bane Necran
189
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:13:00 -
[2944] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Simple apologies do not cut it. Why, because you say so?
I think it's clear a large portion of the community thinks so. |
weat bix
Kiwi's and Company Mordus Angels
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:14:00 -
[2945] - Quote
because logic says so, if you allow one to do something you must allow all to do it |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:15:00 -
[2946] - Quote
I saw a goon post about Eve players' ignorance of Eve history. Wow. |
Jaqa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:15:00 -
[2947] - Quote
Time for forum algebra! Goon + Alcohol + Fancy Hat + Ego + Microphone = *whoops*
I am just outraged--OUTRAGED!!!! WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHIRLDREN?! The Original Jaqalope Pilot of the Transportosaurus Rex 100% Free Range |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:16:00 -
[2948] - Quote
weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self
Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this. |
weat bix
Kiwi's and Company Mordus Angels
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:18:00 -
[2949] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this.
so using that logic why do people get banned for threatening to kill someone when nobody has been killed ? |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
42
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:18:00 -
[2950] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Simple apologies do not cut it. Why, because you say so? I think it's clear a large portion of the community thinks so.
There are just as many people who think the opposite. You cannot claim that a handful of people posting on a forum constitute "a large portion of the community" no matter how much you wish it was true. |
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Arabella Khurelem
Hedion University Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:18:00 -
[2951] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Simple apologies do not cut it. Why, because you say so? I think it's clear a large portion of the community thinks so.
A few forum warriors with an axe to grind does not represent the community. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
55
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:19:00 -
[2952] - Quote
What little faith I actually had in this playerbase has gone out the window.
Everyone in this thread is essentially the pot. Mitanni is the kettle.
Pot; Meet kettle.
I have never liked the Mitanni; However, this is pathetic. Right now if I had to choose whose behaviour has been worse throughout this 'fiasco' i would pick this so called 'community'.
I find it vindictively hilarious that the only person who wasnt upset about the whole thing was the guy being 'bullied' in the first place.
You are the same group of people who feel the need and right to become upset and take action on behalf of someone else.
Get the f u c k over yourselves. |
Bane Necran
189
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:19:00 -
[2953] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this.
So, keep doing it until someone does?
An example must be made if he does not step down himself.
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:21:00 -
[2954] - Quote
Mittani must pay for his crimes and resign from the CSM entirely. Time to resign, Mittens. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
42
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:21:00 -
[2955] - Quote
weat bix wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this. so using that logic why do people get banned for threatening to kill someone when nobody has been killed ?
Because they've violated the EULA. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:22:00 -
[2956] - Quote
weat bix wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this. so using that logic why do people get banned for threatening to kill someone when nobody has been killed ?
Because that's a death threat. Mittani didn't threaten anyone's life, he gave the guy's in-game name and told people to harass him. That's bad, but that's not a death threat, and it's far from murder. And your original statement had nothing to do with death threats, so... |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
42
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:22:00 -
[2957] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittani must pay for his crimes and resign from the CSM entirely. Time to resign, Mittens.
Are you copy/pasting this from notepad? How many times are you going to post the same ****? |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:23:00 -
[2958] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Mittani must pay for his crimes and resign from the CSM entirely. Time to resign, Mittens.
Yes, we heard you the first 15 times you posted that. Contribute to the "discussion" (if you can call it that?) or get out. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:23:00 -
[2959] - Quote
Gewns,dun stop mad poasting... |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
550
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:24:00 -
[2960] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:weat bix wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this. so using that logic why do people get banned for threatening to kill someone when nobody has been killed ? Because they've violated the EULA.
A) He wasn't "IN GAME" to violate the terms of service "IN THE GAME". B) He didn't do anything to violate the EULA. He did not personally harass the individual nor threaten him. C) If someone kills themselves over a lot of people "harassing them" then they just have to petition to stop. OR, they can set their settings to BLOCK all people, and then they can't get harassed. D) Stop making stupid assertions.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
46
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:25:00 -
[2961] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this. So, keep doing it until someone does? An example must be made if he does not step down himself.
Why, because you say so?
Edit: because **** person responsibility, that's why. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
46
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:26:00 -
[2962] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:weat bix wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this. so using that logic why do people get banned for threatening to kill someone when nobody has been killed ? Because they've violated the EULA. A) He wasn't "IN GAME" to violate the terms of service "IN THE GAME". B) He didn't do anything to violate the EULA. He did not personally harass the individual nor threaten him. C) If someone kills themselves over a lot of people "harassing them" then they just have to petition to stop. OR, they can set their settings to BLOCK all people, and then they can't get harassed. D) Stop making stupid assertions.
I am aware of that. Thanks for making my argument. |
Percy Highlander
Dark Wolf Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:27:00 -
[2963] - Quote
Big Country just interviewed Wis on eve radio 10 min ago ....listen for yourself ......they are harrasing him in real life ...Mittani crossed the line |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:27:00 -
[2964] - Quote
weat bix wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this. so using that logic why do people get banned for threatening to kill someone when nobody has been killed ? So you literally cannot see the difference between threatening to murder someone, and telling some annoying attention seeker to off himself? |
GatoOFruits
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:28:00 -
[2965] - Quote
I am glad my name is not Alex Gianturco....because when my next employer Google my name I will not have to spend a lot of energy trying to convince him/her that I have no anti-social tendencies |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:28:00 -
[2966] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this. So, keep doing it until someone does? An example must be made if he does not step down himself. I say ban everyone who posted in this thread. Yes, before some super clever publord says anything, that includes me. |
Jaqa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:29:00 -
[2967] - Quote
Here is what I don't get: this affects absolutely none of any of you, except: Mittens The Person He Said Mean Things About
The rest of ya'll are just mudslingers and rubber-neckers; which to be honest is a whole lotta fun, I'll admit. But maybe, just maybe, we should be the bigger people here and scurry back to our rat holes... Or we could get the popcorn and enjoy the show.
p.s. "his crime" What is this: The Nuremberg Tribunal? He's what, a lovable Mitten by day and Jack The (Mitten) Ripper by night?
This is like the gift that keeps on giving--game on. The Original Jaqalope Pilot of the Transportosaurus Rex 100% Free Range |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3651
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:29:00 -
[2968] - Quote
Percy Highlander wrote:Big Country just interviewed Wis on eve radio 10 min ago ....listen for yourself ......they are harrasing him in real life ...Mittani crossed the line
nah, the brainless pubbies who brought this to the media crossed the line "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:30:00 -
[2969] - Quote
GatoOFruits wrote: I am glad my name is not Alex Gianturco....because when my next employer Google my name I will not have to spend a lot of energy trying to convince him/her that I have no anti-social tendencies
He's retired. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
45
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:30:00 -
[2970] - Quote
GatoOFruits wrote: I am glad my name is not Alex Gianturco....because when my next employer Google my name I will not have to spend a lot of energy trying to convince him/her that I have no anti-social tendencies
Oh, I'm pretty sure he'll be fine... |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:30:00 -
[2971] - Quote
Percy Highlander wrote:Big Country just interviewed Wis on eve radio 10 min ago ....listen for yourself ......they are harrasing him in real life ...Mittani crossed the line Have a link? Would love to hear it... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1337
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:31:00 -
[2972] - Quote
weat bix wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this. so using that logic why do people get banned for threatening to kill someone when nobody has been killed ?
You might have a point if any actual harassment had taken place.
But it didn't.
Mostly because people understand that a drunken bad joke is a drunken bad joke. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
45
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:31:00 -
[2973] - Quote
Percy Highlander wrote:Big Country just interviewed Wis on eve radio 10 min ago ....listen for yourself ......they are harrasing him in real life ...Mittani crossed the line
The only people harassing him are internet lawyers. |
Jaqa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:31:00 -
[2974] - Quote
How much you want to bet the people "harassing" him in real life are the people in this thread trying to get him to speak out against Mittens. tl;dr bad man broke BoB now we break bad man The Original Jaqalope Pilot of the Transportosaurus Rex 100% Free Range |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:32:00 -
[2975] - Quote
I'd be lying if i said actually knowing The Wis isn't a factor in my feelings about this...if i didn't know Wis, maybe i wouldn't have picked up on the fanfest video cause i honestly don't give a crap about Eve politics, i just fly internet spaceships. That being said I know Wis and I know what a nice guy he is and how generous he's been with other players. I enjoy flying with him and speaking with him on coms....he really is a nice ******* guy. That's what rages me about this little mouth breathing sissy prick fck and his utterly nauseatingly fake ass apology. When he landed he said "deal with it", until CCP relayed to him this was gonna have legs. "Now" he feels all sick about it. He stepped out of the bounds of this game and should therefore experience some real world punishment...not some lame expulsion from some internet spaceship committee which is what gave him his false sense of importance in the first place. I wonder if his employer would like to see a video of what his employee was doing on that "european backpacking" trip. lawls |
Bane Necran
190
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:33:00 -
[2976] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Why, because you say so?
We've been through this already in the other thread, Kallynda. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
352
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:33:00 -
[2977] - Quote
I think its pretty clear based on the Goons actions and comments during this time make it very clear that they would have indeed followed up on the mittanis call to harass a person to suicide. Joke or not.
Look at how is apology contradicts what they are doing and saying in most of their posts. He clearly does not have enough control of them to have been able to pull them back from going to fare pursing his push a player until he breaks IRL mentality.
This is no longer damning of just the mittani but also the Goons and their reaction to all this.
If they hadnt gotten the clue from a CCP INVESTIGATION that this was prob a bad idea I dont want to think what they would have done to the person mittens was trying to get them to harass.
He is a leader of a cult of GOONs. A leader of a cult, and a cult of personality. That would have damn well followed up on his "joke."
Its all right out in the open considering how they are acting even after his apology for all to see.
This is why he must be removed from the CSM. Cause the Goons wont get it otherwise.
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
27
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:33:00 -
[2978] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Percy Highlander wrote:Big Country just interviewed Wis on eve radio 10 min ago ....listen for yourself ......they are harrasing him in real life ...Mittani crossed the line Have a link? Would love to hear it...
This is said program on Eve-Rewind, but it might take awhile to find the actual segment discussed (if it's even there, I don't know) |
Kehro Urgus
245
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:34:00 -
[2979] - Quote
D Derp wrote:GatoOFruits wrote: I am glad my name is not Alex Gianturco....because when my next employer Google my name I will not have to spend a lot of energy trying to convince him/her that I have no anti-social tendencies
He's retired.
He barely looks old enough to drive. You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:34:00 -
[2980] - Quote
Quote:You're backtracking again as if this hadn't already been explained. Pretty easy to get away with since this thread moves pretty fast. This event took place, at a convention for a game, in front of players of that game, in reference to events in the game, and in reference to a message sent about those events to him in game. This message was mocked and the off-color comment was made. To imply that there is a difference because it was spoken instead of typed in game or on the forums is an asspull and you know it.
And here I thought he publicly called for his thugs to grief the guy!
But he really didn't? He just made an off-color remark?
Oh boy, I should have checked with honest folks like the Goons before jumping to conclusions!
He only made some off-color remarks, Mittens didn't actually order thousands of people to harass one guy.
Oh wait. The poster is a Goon, and as such can be expected to be a shameless liar who can dish it out but never, ever take it.
So I think I'll have to go back to my original decision.
Oh, and Mittens, good job getting those War Dec changes through. You know protecting your fellow Null Bear Goonies from nasty war decs. They are sensitive little cowards and shouldn't have to deal with mean people griefing them. |
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Percy Highlander
Dark Wolf Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:35:00 -
[2981] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Percy Highlander wrote:Big Country just interviewed Wis on eve radio 10 min ago ....listen for yourself ......they are harrasing him in real life ...Mittani crossed the line Have a link? Would love to hear it... http://eve-radio.com/modules/mod_rewind/player.php?recidx=19766&station=ER |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
552
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:35:00 -
[2982] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:
I am aware of that. Thanks for making my argument.
Anything that helps mate.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Percy Highlander
Dark Wolf Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:36:00 -
[2983] - Quote
It's toward the end of the show |
GatoOFruits
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:36:00 -
[2984] - Quote
Kehro Urgus wrote:D Derp wrote:GatoOFruits wrote: I am glad my name is not Alex Gianturco....because when my next employer Google my name I will not have to spend a lot of energy trying to convince him/her that I have no anti-social tendencies
He's retired. He barely looks old enough to drive.
Not sure about his age. However one thing is sure: he looks too drunk to drive |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:36:00 -
[2985] - Quote
D Derp wrote:weat bix wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this. so using that logic why do people get banned for threatening to kill someone when nobody has been killed ? So you literally cannot see the difference between threatening to murder someone, and telling some annoying attention seeker to off himself?
The differences ain't as vast as you think or are trying to convince everyone they are. |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:36:00 -
[2986] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
This is why he must be removed from the CSM. Cause the Goons wont get it otherwise.
So in your mind, this isn't about a bad thing done by Mittani, but about hurting goons. Wow. Oh look, a copy of NC's forums: http://dumps.eve-leaks.co.uk/nc-dot.com/forum.html |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:37:00 -
[2987] - Quote
Thanx for the link,guys. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:38:00 -
[2988] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:I'd be lying if i said actually knowing The Wis isn't a factor in my feelings about this...if i didn't know Wis, maybe i wouldn't have picked up on the fanfest video cause i honestly don't give a crap about Eve politics, i just fly internet spaceships. That being said I know Wis and I know what a nice guy he is and how generous he's been with other players. I enjoy flying with him and speaking with him on coms....he really is a nice ******* guy. That's what rages me about this little mouth breathing sissy prick fck and his utterly nauseatingly fake ass apology. When he landed he said "deal with it", until CCP relayed to him this was gonna have legs. "Now" he feels all sick about it. He stepped out of the bounds of this game and should therefore experience some real world punishment...not some lame expulsion from some internet spaceship committee which is what gave him his false sense of importance in the first place. I wonder if his employer would like to see a video of what his employee was doing on that "european backpacking" trip. lawls
If he's such a nice guy, then why did The Wis decide to pull the "I'm going to commit suicide" pitycard after someone shot his mackinaws? Throwing a tantrum and fake-threatening to off yourself can be considered fairly offensive in itself. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
46
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:38:00 -
[2989] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Why, because you say so? We've been through this already in the other thread, Kallynda.
You didn't give a satisfactory answer there, either. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1308
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:39:00 -
[2990] - Quote
Everyone knows Alcohol relaxes a persons inhibitions making them feel more secure allowing them to do things they normally wouldn't do due to fear of retribution.
OP's apology is bullshit lies trying to save face using a fail excuse of being drunk. OP got drunk, felt secure and exposed his true personality.
OP wants to make a public apology, post a video on youtube where the whole world can see it, just like how they all saw his drunken conduct.
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Jita Alt666
966
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:39:00 -
[2991] - Quote
Only 50 more pages and this thread will have done in 3 days what WIS thread couldn't do in 7 months. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
46
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:40:00 -
[2992] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:You're backtracking again as if this hadn't already been explained. Pretty easy to get away with since this thread moves pretty fast. This event took place, at a convention for a game, in front of players of that game, in reference to events in the game, and in reference to a message sent about those events to him in game. This message was mocked and the off-color comment was made. To imply that there is a difference because it was spoken instead of typed in game or on the forums is an asspull and you know it. And here I thought he publicly called for his thugs to grief the guy! But he really didn't? He just made an off-color remark? Oh boy, I should have checked with honest folks like the Goons before jumping to conclusions! He only made some off-color remarks, Mittens didn't actually order thousands of people to harass one guy. Oh wait. The poster is a Goon, and as such can be expected to be a shameless liar who can dish it out but never, ever take it. So I think I'll have to go back to my original decision. Oh, and Mittens, good job getting those War Dec changes through. You know protecting your fellow Null Bear Goonies from nasty war decs. They are sensitive little cowards and shouldn't have to deal with mean people griefing them.
:psyduck:
Have you actually watched the video or are you just resperging what you've been told? |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
352
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:40:00 -
[2993] - Quote
Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
This is why he must be removed from the CSM. Cause the Goons wont get it otherwise.
So in your mind, this isn't about a bad thing done by Mittani, but about hurting goons. Wow.
Its about precedent. That was the context of the WHOLE post i made.
Its the message that needs to be sent.
Nice try to derail it though. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:40:00 -
[2994] - Quote
Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
This is why he must be removed from the CSM. Cause the Goons wont get it otherwise.
So in your mind, this isn't about a bad thing done by Mittani, but about hurting goons. Wow.
Actually, upon reviewing the changes that dancing monkey has made to the game, it would be best if he were removed for them alone. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
552
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:40:00 -
[2995] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Everyone knows Alcohol relaxes a persons inhibitions making them feel more secure allowing them to do things they normally wouldn't do due to fear of retribution.
OP's apology is bullshit lies trying to save face using a fail excuse of being drunk. OP got drunk, felt secure and exposed his true personality.
OP wants to make a public apology, post a video on youtube where the whole world can see it, just like how they all saw his drunken conduct.
Sure, using this logic every man is a rampant violent rapist.
Welcome to humanity. We ain't gotten this far hugging each other and sticking to ******* our own women.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:41:00 -
[2996] - Quote
ITT Goons getting Rick Roll'd :D |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:41:00 -
[2997] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:I think its pretty clear based on the Goons actions and comments during this time make it very clear that they would have indeed followed up on the mittanis call to harass a person to suicide. Joke or not.
This is why he must be removed from the CSM. Cause the Goons wont get it otherwise.
You're ********. No offense to the mentally disabled.
Kehro Urgus wrote:D Derp wrote:GatoOFruits wrote: I am glad my name is not Alex Gianturco....because when my next employer Google my name I will not have to spend a lot of energy trying to convince him/her that I have no anti-social tendencies
He's retired. He barely looks old enough to drive.
We're all manchildren.
Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Oh, and Mittens, good job getting those War Dec changes through. You know protecting your fellow Null Bear Goonies from nasty war decs. They are sensitive little cowards and shouldn't have to deal with mean people griefing them.
We tend to laugh at goons stupid enough to get themselves killed by jita camping wardecs. Because they're stupid. Not unlike yourself. |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:41:00 -
[2998] - Quote
D Derp wrote:
If he's such a nice guy, then why did The Wis decide to pull the "I'm going to commit suicide" pitycard after someone shot his mackinaws? Throwing a tantrum and fake-threatening to off yourself can be considered fairly offensive in itself.
I see people do this almost daily, for so many stupid reasons, but usually because they think it will keep them out of jail, rather than just postpone it for a week or two.
Since the Wis has made statements that he is a threat to himself, he needs to be petitioned and locked up in a hospital to receive a psychiatric evaluation. Oh look, a copy of NC's forums: http://dumps.eve-leaks.co.uk/nc-dot.com/forum.html |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:42:00 -
[2999] - Quote
D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:I'd be lying if i said actually knowing The Wis isn't a factor in my feelings about this...if i didn't know Wis, maybe i wouldn't have picked up on the fanfest video cause i honestly don't give a crap about Eve politics, i just fly internet spaceships. That being said I know Wis and I know what a nice guy he is and how generous he's been with other players. I enjoy flying with him and speaking with him on coms....he really is a nice ******* guy. That's what rages me about this little mouth breathing sissy prick fck and his utterly nauseatingly fake ass apology. When he landed he said "deal with it", until CCP relayed to him this was gonna have legs. "Now" he feels all sick about it. He stepped out of the bounds of this game and should therefore experience some real world punishment...not some lame expulsion from some internet spaceship committee which is what gave him his false sense of importance in the first place. I wonder if his employer would like to see a video of what his employee was doing on that "european backpacking" trip. lawls If he's such a nice guy, then why did The Wis decide to pull the "I'm going to commit suicide" pitycard after someone shot his mackinaws? Throwing a tantrum and fake-threatening to off yourself can be considered fairly offensive in itself.
What? I mean like what? |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
352
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:42:00 -
[3000] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:You're backtracking again as if this hadn't already been explained. Pretty easy to get away with since this thread moves pretty fast. This event took place, at a convention for a game, in front of players of that game, in reference to events in the game, and in reference to a message sent about those events to him in game. This message was mocked and the off-color comment was made. To imply that there is a difference because it was spoken instead of typed in game or on the forums is an asspull and you know it. And here I thought he publicly called for his thugs to grief the guy! But he really didn't? He just made an off-color remark? Oh boy, I should have checked with honest folks like the Goons before jumping to conclusions! He only made some off-color remarks, Mittens didn't actually order thousands of people to harass one guy. Oh wait. The poster is a Goon, and as such can be expected to be a shameless liar who can dish it out but never, ever take it. So I think I'll have to go back to my original decision. Oh, and Mittens, good job getting those War Dec changes through. You know protecting your fellow Null Bear Goonies from nasty war decs. They are sensitive little cowards and shouldn't have to deal with mean people griefing them. :psyduck: Have you actually watched the video or are you just resperging what you've been told?
http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/bully-pulpit/
Yes i think you need too watch it yourself.
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Bane Necran
190
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:42:00 -
[3001] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Only 50 more pages and this thread will have done in 3 days what WIS thread couldn't do in 7 months.
They've adapted since then, locking all the others fast, so everyone is confined to only 2-3 threads. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1338
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:42:00 -
[3002] - Quote
Percy Highlander wrote:It's toward the end of the show
That freakin' show is 3 hours long, someone who has he patience listen to it and relay impartially what was said please. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:43:00 -
[3003] - Quote
D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:I'd be lying if i said actually knowing The Wis isn't a factor in my feelings about this...if i didn't know Wis, maybe i wouldn't have picked up on the fanfest video cause i honestly don't give a crap about Eve politics, i just fly internet spaceships. That being said I know Wis and I know what a nice guy he is and how generous he's been with other players. I enjoy flying with him and speaking with him on coms....he really is a nice ******* guy. That's what rages me about this little mouth breathing sissy prick fck and his utterly nauseatingly fake ass apology. When he landed he said "deal with it", until CCP relayed to him this was gonna have legs. "Now" he feels all sick about it. He stepped out of the bounds of this game and should therefore experience some real world punishment...not some lame expulsion from some internet spaceship committee which is what gave him his false sense of importance in the first place. I wonder if his employer would like to see a video of what his employee was doing on that "european backpacking" trip. lawls If he's such a nice guy, then why did The Wis decide to pull the "I'm going to commit suicide" pitycard after someone shot his mackinaws? Throwing a tantrum and fake-threatening to off yourself can be considered fairly offensive in itself.
first off, nothing in that email would suggest he wasn't as i just portrayed him. Second....the email was out of context. The goon left out multiple email exchanges. He was asked about how he plays the game....he gave an honest answer to pieces of human ****, that was his mistake. He didn't realize he was feeding trolls. He was explaining this is what he does and why he does it...it's his outlet from a life with pretty substantial problems most you little turds couldn't fathom. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
50
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:43:00 -
[3004] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:weat bix wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:weat bix wrote:if they do not ban him then ccp is telling everyone it is OK to ask others to help you harass someone until they kill them self Except, you know, nobody killed themselves over this. so using that logic why do people get banned for threatening to kill someone when nobody has been killed ? So you literally cannot see the difference between threatening to murder someone, and telling some annoying attention seeker to off himself? The differences ain't as vast as you think or are trying to convince everyone they are.
I'm not bashing those who are autistic by grouping you in with them, but are you autistic by any chance? You really don't see the difference between saying "I am going to murder you and your family" and "This person claimed to be suicidal and cried alot when we killed his miner, here's his name"?
Spoilers: One of them makes you a terrible person who genuinely needs to seek therapy, and the other makes you kind of a ****. |
Allandi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:43:00 -
[3005] - Quote
Fellow admits his guilt, feels shame and regret, and tries to make amends (so the post goes, and whether or not he is sincere doesnt really matter). And yet half the posts of a 150 page thread are his alliance mates defending him?
Honestly if i'd made this sort of mistake and saw a bunch of my "constituents" making it worse (which you are), I'd ask them to stop. Thats just me though, and I'm the type of person that has enough common sense not to get hammered before a public speech broadcast. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1338
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:44:00 -
[3006] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
This is why he must be removed from the CSM. Cause the Goons wont get it otherwise.
So in your mind, this isn't about a bad thing done by Mittani, but about hurting goons. Wow. Actually, upon reviewing the changes that dancing monkey has made to the game, it would be best if he were removed for them alone.
Erm, your ulterior motive is showing. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
50
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:44:00 -
[3007] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:I'd be lying if i said actually knowing The Wis isn't a factor in my feelings about this...if i didn't know Wis, maybe i wouldn't have picked up on the fanfest video cause i honestly don't give a crap about Eve politics, i just fly internet spaceships. That being said I know Wis and I know what a nice guy he is and how generous he's been with other players. I enjoy flying with him and speaking with him on coms....he really is a nice ******* guy. That's what rages me about this little mouth breathing sissy prick fck and his utterly nauseatingly fake ass apology. When he landed he said "deal with it", until CCP relayed to him this was gonna have legs. "Now" he feels all sick about it. He stepped out of the bounds of this game and should therefore experience some real world punishment...not some lame expulsion from some internet spaceship committee which is what gave him his false sense of importance in the first place. I wonder if his employer would like to see a video of what his employee was doing on that "european backpacking" trip. lawls If he's such a nice guy, then why did The Wis decide to pull the "I'm going to commit suicide" pitycard after someone shot his mackinaws? Throwing a tantrum and fake-threatening to off yourself can be considered fairly offensive in itself. first off, nothing in that email would suggest he wasn't as i just portrayed him. Second....the email was out of context. The goon left out multiple email exchanges. He was asked about how he plays the game....he gave an honest answer to pieces of human ****, that was his mistake. He didn't realize he was feeding trolls. He was explaining this is what he does and why he does it...it's his outlet from a life with pretty substantial problems most you little turds couldn't fathom.
Among our many talents, we also never have any sort of problems in their personal lives. |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
108
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:46:00 -
[3008] - Quote
Man, is it me or is this thread picking up pace? You guys are really butthurt over someone picking on an idiot. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:46:00 -
[3009] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
This is why he must be removed from the CSM. Cause the Goons wont get it otherwise.
So in your mind, this isn't about a bad thing done by Mittani, but about hurting goons. Wow. Actually, upon reviewing the changes that dancing monkey has made to the game, it would be best if he were removed for them alone.
You know how I know you're trolling? |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:47:00 -
[3010] - Quote
Percy Highlander wrote:It's toward the end of the show
That link is terrible. Can't skip past the ******* hick neckbeard. |
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D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
50
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:48:00 -
[3011] - Quote
TheButcherPete wrote:Man, is it me or is this thread picking up pace? You guys are really butthurt over someone picking on an idiot.
Aye, they just keep coming. And they're getting worse at it.
Literally the only person I can halfway sympathize with (I haven't read this entire thread) is that one guy who says he knows The Wis and feels bad for him. And he's probably trolling anyways. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:48:00 -
[3012] - Quote
Keep pushing it, something rash is going to happen and when it does you will only have yourselves to blame. Pray that it only results in a resignation and a hand smack anything more and **** will hit the fan for those involved.
/popcorn. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1308
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:48:00 -
[3013] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Everyone knows Alcohol relaxes a persons inhibitions making them feel more secure allowing them to do things they normally wouldn't do due to fear of retribution.
OP's apology is bullshit lies trying to save face using a fail excuse of being drunk. OP got drunk, felt secure and exposed his true personality.
OP wants to make a public apology, post a video on youtube where the whole world can see it, just like how they all saw his drunken conduct.
Sure, using this logic every man is a rampant violent rapist. Welcome to humanity. We ain't gotten this far hugging each other and sticking to ******* our own women.
Another fail attempt to justify someones inexcusable behavior.
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D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
50
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:50:00 -
[3014] - Quote
Allandi wrote:Fellow admits his guilt, feels shame and regret, and tries to make amends (so the post goes, and whether or not he is sincere doesnt really matter). And yet half the posts of a 150 page thread are his alliance mates defending him?
He doesn't need our defense. We just really, really like to improve the quality of posting on eve-o |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
356
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:51:00 -
[3015] - Quote
Allandi wrote:Fellow admits his guilt, feels shame and regret, and tries to make amends (so the post goes, and whether or not he is sincere doesnt really matter). And yet half the posts of a 150 page thread are his alliance mates defending him?
Honestly if i'd made this sort of mistake and saw a bunch of my "constituents" making it worse (which you are), I'd ask them to stop. Thats just me though, and I'm the type of person that has enough common sense not to get hammered before a public speech broadcast.
Thats my point if he was the leader he would have asked them to stop.
Thats if his apology ment diddly squat that is.
He isnt stopping them and they are making it worse.
I can only imagine he is trying to deflect as much attention away from himself by not stopping them.
Or secondly he just cant stop them. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:52:00 -
[3016] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:Keep pushing it, something rash is going to happen and when it does you will only have yourselves to blame. Pray that it only results in a resignation and a hand smack anything more and **** will hit the fan for those involved.
/popcorn.
It's EVE... Player generated content is the best kind. Ban his ass and bring it on. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:52:00 -
[3017] - Quote
are you ******** or did you just not watch the video? cause he blatantly told people to write wis and urge him to kill himself...followed up by a "no seriously do it". Really? really?
really? really?
[ I'm not bashing those who are autistic by grouping you in with them, but are you autistic by any chance? You really don't see the difference between saying "I am going to murder you and your family" and "This person claimed to be suicidal and cried alot when we killed his miner, here's his name"?
Spoilers: One of them makes you a terrible person who genuinely needs to seek therapy, and the other makes you kind of a ****.[/quote]
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
47
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:52:00 -
[3018] - Quote
D Derp wrote:Allandi wrote:Fellow admits his guilt, feels shame and regret, and tries to make amends (so the post goes, and whether or not he is sincere doesnt really matter). And yet half the posts of a 150 page thread are his alliance mates defending him? He doesn't need our defense. We just really, really like to improve the quality of posting on eve-o
Not me, I'm a terrible poster. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1338
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:54:00 -
[3019] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Percy Highlander wrote:It's toward the end of the show That link is terrible. Can't skip past the ******* hick neckbeard.
Indeed.
I will say this. Goons need to keep in mind that Wis didn't escalate this thing, and Mittani certainly wouldn't want you to vent your frustration at the obvious manipulations going on in the forums on him.
That being said, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if someone claiming to be a goon alt didn't pay him a visit to create justification for their position in these threads.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:54:00 -
[3020] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
This is why he must be removed from the CSM. Cause the Goons wont get it otherwise.
So in your mind, this isn't about a bad thing done by Mittani, but about hurting goons. Wow. Actually, upon reviewing the changes that dancing monkey has made to the game, it would be best if he were removed for them alone. Erm, your ulterior motive is showing.
Where as you never have an ulterior motive! I mean really, you guys are such worthless shameless hypocrites.
Take the War Dec changes that will protect large corporations(like Goonies) from being War Dec'd. Cause you can't handle griefing cause your are a bunch of little girls.
Walk the walk or stop talking the talk. Little girls. |
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:54:00 -
[3021] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:Keep pushing it, something rash is going to happen and when it does you will only have yourselves to blame. Pray that it only results in a resignation and a hand smack anything more and **** will hit the fan for those involved.
/popcorn. It's EVE... Player generated content is the best kind. Ban his ass and bring it on.
nope, not in eve. That's lame, that's more of this hiding behind a computer screen bullshit. If you think you can write to someone to go kill themselves then let's do this up real. No more internet spaceship pew..let's do the grown ass man pew. Do you know what that is? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3653
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:55:00 -
[3022] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:Keep pushing it, something rash is going to happen and when it does you will only have yourselves to blame. Pray that it only results in a resignation and a hand smack anything more and **** will hit the fan for those involved.
/popcorn. It's EVE... Player generated content is the best kind. Ban his ass and bring it on.
i can tell you 10,058 reasons why you're wrong "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 03:55:00 -
[3023] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Allandi wrote:Fellow admits his guilt, feels shame and regret, and tries to make amends (so the post goes, and whether or not he is sincere doesnt really matter). And yet half the posts of a 150 page thread are his alliance mates defending him?
Honestly if i'd made this sort of mistake and saw a bunch of my "constituents" making it worse (which you are), I'd ask them to stop. Thats just me though, and I'm the type of person that has enough common sense not to get hammered before a public speech broadcast. Thats my point if he was the leader he would have asked them to stop. Thats if his apology ment diddly squat that is. He isnt stopping them and they are making it worse. I can only imagine he is trying to deflect as much attention away from himself by not stopping them. Or secondly he just cant stop them.
I haven't seen anyone talk about harassing The Wis, and the general consensus is that anyone dumb enough to do it will be banned. So it's probably mostly just stupid pubbies who read threads like these and get the idea.
The only thing goons are doing to make anything worse is **** up these terrible, terrible threads.
e: Sorry if I gave up the big secret! (That secret being that none of us care about that guy and we all this is stupid eve-o forum drama) |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3657
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:56:00 -
[3024] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:Keep pushing it, something rash is going to happen and when it does you will only have yourselves to blame. Pray that it only results in a resignation and a hand smack anything more and **** will hit the fan for those involved.
/popcorn. It's EVE... Player generated content is the best kind. Ban his ass and bring it on. nope, not in eve. That's lame, that's more of this hiding behind a computer screen bullshit. If you think you can write to someone to go kill themselves then let's do this up real. No more internet spaceship pew..let's do the grown ass man pew. Do you know what that is?
veiled RL threats
bye "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:58:00 -
[3025] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Walk the walk or stop talking the talk. Little girls.
Man, that must make you feel so tough to say that, you had to say it twice! How do you think our better halves interpret your MANLY MAN talk? Do they just drop panties at your very command?
Women are inferior to men, you see.....
Moron. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:58:00 -
[3026] - Quote
Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:Keep pushing it, something rash is going to happen and when it does you will only have yourselves to blame. Pray that it only results in a resignation and a hand smack anything more and **** will hit the fan for those involved.
/popcorn. It's EVE... Player generated content is the best kind. Ban his ass and bring it on. nope, not in eve. That's lame, that's more of this hiding behind a computer screen bullshit. If you think you can write to someone to go kill themselves then let's do this up real. No more internet spaceship pew..let's do the grown ass man pew. Do you know what that is? veiled RL threats bye
nothing veiled about it....i'm asking if people want to sack up and do something real if it's ok to tell folks to kill themselves irl. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 03:59:00 -
[3027] - Quote
YOu goons took this outside the parameters of a fun video game. What, no rl consequences? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3657
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:00:00 -
[3028] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:nothing veiled about it....i'm asking if people want to sack up and do something real if it's ok to tell folks to kill themselves irl.
You're trying to backpedal and you're making veiled real-life threats. Enjoy your permaban. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:00:00 -
[3029] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:Keep pushing it, something rash is going to happen and when it does you will only have yourselves to blame. Pray that it only results in a resignation and a hand smack anything more and **** will hit the fan for those involved.
/popcorn. It's EVE... Player generated content is the best kind. Ban his ass and bring it on. nope, not in eve. That's lame, that's more of this hiding behind a computer screen bullshit. If you think you can write to someone to go kill themselves then let's do this up real. No more internet spaceship pew..let's do the grown ass man pew. Do you know what that is?
Huh? Hey dumb ass. "In context" we were talking about what happens if Mitty is banned from the game and I siad ban him. You know? For what he did in calling for a player to be griefed into suicide.... |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:00:00 -
[3030] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:Keep pushing it, something rash is going to happen and when it does you will only have yourselves to blame. Pray that it only results in a resignation and a hand smack anything more and **** will hit the fan for those involved.
/popcorn. It's EVE... Player generated content is the best kind. Ban his ass and bring it on. nope, not in eve. That's lame, that's more of this hiding behind a computer screen bullshit. If you think you can write to someone to go kill themselves then let's do this up real. No more internet spaceship pew..let's do the grown ass man pew. Do you know what that is?
That sounds like a death threat to me. Better get the right people on this quickly. |
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:01:00 -
[3031] - Quote
L00B wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Walk the walk or stop talking the talk. Little girls.
Man, that must make you feel so tough to say that, you had to say it twice! How do you think our better halves interpret your MANLY MAN talk? Do they just drop panties at your very command? Women are inferior to men, you see..... Moron.
The War Dec changes Mittens pushed directly protect your cowardly little ass from being War Dec griefed.
That stands in stark contrast to your constant "toughen up" loudmouth jabbering. |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:01:00 -
[3032] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:Keep pushing it, something rash is going to happen and when it does you will only have yourselves to blame. Pray that it only results in a resignation and a hand smack anything more and **** will hit the fan for those involved.
/popcorn. It's EVE... Player generated content is the best kind. Ban his ass and bring it on. nope, not in eve. That's lame, that's more of this hiding behind a computer screen bullshit. If you think you can write to someone to go kill themselves then let's do this up real. No more internet spaceship pew..let's do the grown ass man pew. Do you know what that is? veiled RL threats bye nothing veiled about it....i'm asking if people want to sack up and do something real if it's ok to tell folks to kill themselves irl.
My kickboxing girlfriend will protect me.
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D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:01:00 -
[3033] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:are you ******** or did you just not watch the video? cause he blatantly told people to write wis and urge him to kill himself...followed up by a "no seriously do it". Really? really?
really? really?
[ I'm not bashing those who are autistic by grouping you in with them, but are you autistic by any chance? You really don't see the difference between saying "I am going to murder you and your family" and "This person claimed to be suicidal and cried alot when we killed his miner, here's his name"?
Spoilers: One of them makes you a terrible person who genuinely needs to seek therapy, and the other makes you kind of a ****. [/quote]
Feel free to re-read what I wrote.
michaelthered wrote:Kai Tel wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:Keep pushing it, something rash is going to happen and when it does you will only have yourselves to blame. Pray that it only results in a resignation and a hand smack anything more and **** will hit the fan for those involved.
/popcorn. It's EVE... Player generated content is the best kind. Ban his ass and bring it on. nope, not in eve. That's lame, that's more of this hiding behind a computer screen bullshit. If you think you can write to someone to go kill themselves then let's do this up real. No more internet spaceship pew..let's do the grown ass man pew. Do you know what that is?
So who are you threatening to kill? Goons in general? The Mittani?
I take back what I said about sort of sympathizing with you~
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
292
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:02:00 -
[3034] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Simple apologies do not cut it. Why, because you say so? I think it's clear a large portion of the community thinks so. Turns out the large portion of the community are idiots. What now? |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
96
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:03:00 -
[3035] - Quote
Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:nothing veiled about it....i'm asking if people want to sack up and do something real if it's ok to tell folks to kill themselves irl. You're trying to backpedal and you're making veiled real-life threats. Enjoy your permaban. Mittens first then |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:03:00 -
[3036] - Quote
Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:nothing veiled about it....i'm asking if people want to sack up and do something real if it's ok to tell folks to kill themselves irl. You're trying to backpedal and you're making veiled real-life threats. Enjoy your permaban.
Hypocrisy, thy name is goon.
And so SWIFT in your immediate hypocrisy. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:04:00 -
[3037] - Quote
Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:nothing veiled about it....i'm asking if people want to sack up and do something real if it's ok to tell folks to kill themselves irl. You're trying to backpedal and you're making veiled real-life threats. Enjoy your permaban.
there's no backpedaling little one. That was what "nothing veiled" means. I'm "ASKING" if it's ok to tell people in RL to go ahead and kill themselves than it must be ok to have it done face to face. Or do you think this behavior has no consequences so long as it's behind a computer screen? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1339
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:04:00 -
[3038] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
This is why he must be removed from the CSM. Cause the Goons wont get it otherwise.
So in your mind, this isn't about a bad thing done by Mittani, but about hurting goons. Wow. Actually, upon reviewing the changes that dancing monkey has made to the game, it would be best if he were removed for them alone. Erm, your ulterior motive is showing. Where as you never have an ulterior motive! I mean really, you guys are such worthless shameless hypocrites. Take the War Dec changes that will protect large corporations(like Goonies) from being War Dec'd. Cause you can't handle griefing cause your are a bunch of little girls. Walk the walk or stop talking the talk. Little girls.
My friend, I'm not a Goon.
For the most part, I don't like a lot of the typical Goon behavior, although I'm slowly warming up to certain individuals.
However this witch hunt is far more irritating than Mittani's poor behavior. That would be why a large portion of the "Jesus people, grow up" comments are coming from non Goons.
Mindless lemmings with an axe to grind occasionally need the boot of common sense planted firmly in their ass... and that boot, on occasion, belongs to me. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3662
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:05:00 -
[3039] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:nothing veiled about it....i'm asking if people want to sack up and do something real if it's ok to tell folks to kill themselves irl. You're trying to backpedal and you're making veiled real-life threats. Enjoy your permaban. Mittens first then
Mittens didn't make any threats, veiled or otherwise, of causing physical harm to somebody. This guy did.
Stop being an idiot. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:06:00 -
[3040] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote: Hypocrisy, thy name is goon.
And so SWIFT in your immediate hypocrisy.
Jake Warbird wrote:Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:nothing veiled about it....i'm asking if people want to sack up and do something real if it's ok to tell folks to kill themselves irl. You're trying to backpedal and you're making veiled real-life threats. Enjoy your permaban. Mittens first then
So you people literally don't see the difference between threatening to kill someone, and some ******* telling people to make fun of some drama queen?
Maybe the others were right about eve being full of sociopath shutins. |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:06:00 -
[3041] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:YOu goons took this outside the parameters of a fun video game. What, no rl consequences?
Are you seriously asking us to join you on the playground after school? What are you, 12? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3662
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:06:00 -
[3042] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Marcus Shamonomonom wrote:So in your mind, this isn't about a bad thing done by Mittani, but about hurting goons. Wow. Actually, upon reviewing the changes that dancing monkey has made to the game, it would be best if he were removed for them alone. Erm, your ulterior motive is showing. Where as you never have an ulterior motive! I mean really, you guys are such worthless shameless hypocrites. Take the War Dec changes that will protect large corporations(like Goonies) from being War Dec'd. Cause you can't handle griefing cause your are a bunch of little girls. Walk the walk or stop talking the talk. Little girls. My friend, I'm not a Goon. For the most part, I don't like a lot of the typical Goon behavior, although I'm slowly warming up to certain individuals. However this witch hunt is far more irritating than Mittani's poor behavior. That would be why a large portion of the "Jesus people, grow up" comments are coming from non Goons. Mindless lemmings with an axe to grind occasionally need the boot of common sense planted firmly in their ass... and that boot, on occasion, belongs to me.
He thinks that a nullsec alliance gives two ***** about wardecs. Hilarious. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
356
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:07:00 -
[3043] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:nothing veiled about it....i'm asking if people want to sack up and do something real if it's ok to tell folks to kill themselves irl. You're trying to backpedal and you're making veiled real-life threats. Enjoy your permaban. there's no backpedaling little one. That was what "nothing veiled" means. I'm "ASKING" if it's ok to tell people in RL to go ahead and kill themselves than it must be ok to have it done face to face. Or do you think this behavior has no consequences so long as it's behind a computer screen?
They really seem to be that detached from reality.
Comes down to CCP has to punish mittens in some way that is highly visible so as not to become known as the Game and company that will allow people to threaten others with harassment unto death In real life, with just a slap on the wrists.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
97
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:09:00 -
[3044] - Quote
Andski wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:nothing veiled about it....i'm asking if people want to sack up and do something real if it's ok to tell folks to kill themselves irl. You're trying to backpedal and you're making veiled real-life threats. Enjoy your permaban. Mittens first then Mittens didn't make any threats, veiled or otherwise, of causing physical harm to somebody. This guy did. Stop being an idiot. The mail was about being suicidal which was a RL issue. Even if there was a percentage chance of that happening to bring that up in a gathering just so he could one-upon some drunk guys was not too bright.
But yea,whatever. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3662
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:09:00 -
[3045] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:They really seem to be that detached from reality.
Comes down to CCP has to punish mittens in some way that is highly visible so as not to become known as the Game and company that will allow people to threaten others with harassment unto death In real life, with just a slap on the wrists.
What, you think that his constituents will be receptive of being shut out entirely? You don't think that banning him will cause more trouble for them NOW than some worthless gaming blogs giving them attention?
Get real, moron. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:09:00 -
[3046] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:YOu goons took this outside the parameters of a fun video game. What, no rl consequences? Are you seriously asking us to join you on the playground after school? What are you, 12?
how bout a bar? you old enough to get in one? Do you see the point i'm trying to make at least? If you say something infront of people, even if it pertains to a video game environment, that would get your ass beat in a bar....then maybe there's actually something in this. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:11:00 -
[3047] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:nothing veiled about it....i'm asking if people want to sack up and do something real if it's ok to tell folks to kill themselves irl. You're trying to backpedal and you're making veiled real-life threats. Enjoy your permaban. there's no backpedaling little one. That was what "nothing veiled" means. I'm "ASKING" if it's ok to tell people in RL to go ahead and kill themselves than it must be ok to have it done face to face. Or do you think this behavior has no consequences so long as it's behind a computer screen?
Backpedal~
To be completely serious, it's not quite as dickish to tell someone else to off themselves over the internet as it is to do it face to face. That's not how human interaction works.
It's just like how I'm not taking your threats seriously (neither is anyone else) because you're behind a computer screen. If someone were to threaten to murder me in person, I'd be much more inclined to get the law involved, or prepare to defend myself. Depending on the situation. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3662
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:11:00 -
[3048] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:YOu goons took this outside the parameters of a fun video game. What, no rl consequences? Are you seriously asking us to join you on the playground after school? What are you, 12? how bout a bar? you old enough to get in one? Do you see the point i'm trying to make at least? If you say something infront of people, even if it pertains to a video game environment, that would get your ass beat in a bar....then maybe there's actually something in this.
This isn't a bar and this HURR ILL BEAT U UP IRL crap is pathetic. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:11:00 -
[3049] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:YOu goons took this outside the parameters of a fun video game. What, no rl consequences? Are you seriously asking us to join you on the playground after school? What are you, 12? how bout a bar? you old enough to get in one? Do you see the point i'm trying to make at least? If you say something infront of people, even if it pertains to a video game environment, that would get your ass beat in a bar....then maybe there's actually something in this.
I invite you to kindly start making sense. Speaking English would probably be a good start. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:12:00 -
[3050] - Quote
Quote:My friend, I'm not a Goon.
For the most part, I don't like a lot of the typical Goon behavior, although I'm slowly warming up to certain individuals.
However this witch hunt is far more irritating than Mittani's poor behavior. That would be why a large portion of the "Jesus people, grow up" comments are coming from non Goons.
Mindless lemmings with an axe to grind occasionally need the boot of common sense planted firmly in their ass... and that boot, on occasion, belongs to me.
So, the Mittani has pushed War Dec changes that would make it cost billions of ISK per week to War Dec the Goons.
Is this not in stark contrast to the "free for all" nonsense lies the Mittani claims to believe?
Is this not in stark contrast to the CLAIMED spirit of Null Sec?
Why should the biggest and most powerful corporations in Eve be shielded from War Decs when three noobs who make a corporation can be War Dec'd?
It's bad for the game. And it is just more shameless hypocrisy.
So why don't you stop being an idiot, "friend". |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
356
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:12:00 -
[3051] - Quote
Andski wrote:RougeOperator wrote:They really seem to be that detached from reality.
Comes down to CCP has to punish mittens in some way that is highly visible so as not to become known as the Game and company that will allow people to threaten others with harassment unto death In real life, with just a slap on the wrists.
What, you think that his constituents will be receptive of being shut out entirely? You don't think that banning him will cause more trouble for them NOW than some worthless gaming blogs giving them attention? Get real, moron.
They should have voted for a better person.
When you vote for a person you must accept what that person does. If he does something horrible, well thats what you voted for after all. You had your chance and your man blew it for you. Mittens wasted their votes.
Try again next year. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3662
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:13:00 -
[3052] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:They should have voted for a better person.
When you vote for a person you must accept what that person does. If he does something horrible, well thats what you voted for after all. You had your chance and your man blew it for you. Mittens wasted their votes.
Try again next year.
Good thing you don't make those decisions, otherwise CCP would have filed for bankruptcy years ago. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:14:00 -
[3053] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:YOu goons took this outside the parameters of a fun video game. What, no rl consequences? Are you seriously asking us to join you on the playground after school? What are you, 12? how bout a bar? you old enough to get in one? Do you see the point i'm trying to make at least? If you say something infront of people, even if it pertains to a video game environment, that would get your ass beat in a bar....then maybe there's actually something in this.
Cuz we all know the strongest man in the room is the only one that gets to decide what's right or wrong, eh? Wink Wink, nod nod... tell ya what. You go to bars, and beat asses, and we'll debate here with words.
Enjoy your assault charges that are sure to follow.
(I like how you think 21 is so different than 20 or 19. Get over yourself, you old fart.) |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1342
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:15:00 -
[3054] - Quote
Quote:He thinks that a nullsec alliance gives two ***** about wardecs. Hilarious.
I KNOW RIGHT!!??!?!!
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
206
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:16:00 -
[3055] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:how bout a bar? you old enough to get in one? Do you see the point i'm trying to make at least? If you say something infront of people, even if it pertains to a video game environment, that would get your ass beat in a bar....then maybe there's actually something in this.
Yeah, and if someone stole your seat or beat you at pool at a bar and you broke down and told them you were suicidal because your wife left you, you'd be mocked an order of magnitude worse than anything here could ever do. Even at a wine bar you'd have people laughing at you.
In conclusion, I have no idea what your point is. |
Nevermore Akiga
Serenity Prime Cascade Imminent
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:16:00 -
[3056] - Quote
i'm rather surprised that how stupid should ppl be enough to trust any word comes out of goons than this post, cos clearly he had no other choice but to do the formularized apology. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:19:00 -
[3057] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Andski wrote:RougeOperator wrote:They really seem to be that detached from reality.
Comes down to CCP has to punish mittens in some way that is highly visible so as not to become known as the Game and company that will allow people to threaten others with harassment unto death In real life, with just a slap on the wrists.
What, you think that his constituents will be receptive of being shut out entirely? You don't think that banning him will cause more trouble for them NOW than some worthless gaming blogs giving them attention? Get real, moron. They should have voted for a better person. When you vote for a person you must accept what that person does. If he does something horrible, well thats what you voted for after all. You had your chance and your man blew it for you. Mittens wasted their votes. Try again next year.
Sorry, the best person won. Look at the past year. Mittani was the driving factor behind holding ccp accountable for their disastrous incarna changes and bringing them back to where Eve should be. One drunken off-the-cuff remark, nor your pathetic, vindictive little witch hunt will change that. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
41
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:19:00 -
[3058] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:michaelthered wrote:how bout a bar? you old enough to get in one? Do you see the point i'm trying to make at least? If you say something infront of people, even if it pertains to a video game environment, that would get your ass beat in a bar....then maybe there's actually something in this. Yeah, and if someone stole your seat or beat you at pool at a bar and you broke down and told them you were suicidal because your wife left you, you'd be mocked an order of magnitude worse than anything here could ever do. Even at a wine bar you'd have people laughing at you. In conclusion, I have no idea what your point is.
I think it's something like
OH GOD MITTENS IS A CRIMINAL FOR AN INSULT, BUT I'M NO GIRLY MAN SO LETS SMASH EACH OTHERS FACES LIKE MEN TO DECIDE WHAT REALITY IS!
You're right. It doesn't make sense no matter how he phrases it. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3665
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:19:00 -
[3059] - Quote
Nevermore Akiga wrote:i'm rather surprised that how stupid should ppl be enough to trust any word comes out of goons than this post, cos clearly he had no other choice but to do the formularized apology.
pubbies.txt "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:21:00 -
[3060] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:michaelthered wrote:how bout a bar? you old enough to get in one? Do you see the point i'm trying to make at least? If you say something infront of people, even if it pertains to a video game environment, that would get your ass beat in a bar....then maybe there's actually something in this. Yeah, and if someone stole your seat or beat you at pool at a bar and you broke down and told them you were suicidal because your wife left you, you'd be mocked an order of magnitude worse than anything here could ever do. Even at a wine bar you'd have people laughing at you. In conclusion, I have no idea what your point is.
no no dont you get it, i am a real man on the internet and youre a big baby if you have something to say to me come say it to me irl so i can totally kick your ass in a bar like a real man on the internet
words offend me deeply |
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Ashen Molotov
Plantains
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:22:00 -
[3061] - Quote
As I said earlier it's all pretty simple in my opinion.
What he did would get any other player in the game a temp ban at best.
Regardless if his apology was sincere or not he needs to get banned. If the apology was sincere that doesn't take away the consquences of the action.
All being sincere should do in regards to an apology is show that you are remourseful and that you are a man who acknowledges you did something wrong. It says that you do not wish to be known as that kind of person because of a mistake you made.
The best case scenario I can see for his apology would be a little lineincy in the form of accepting his resignation from the CSM and only issuing a small temporary ban.
If CCP feels the apology was only an attempt to evade trouble then it should be a flull fledged removal from EvE. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:22:00 -
[3062] - Quote
D Derp wrote:[quote=michaelthered] So who are you threatening to kill? Goons in general? The Mittani?
I take back what I said about sort of sympathizing with you~
i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown....i'm saying recognize that speech that wouldn't fly out in the real world is still not acceptable just because this is a fun internet space ship pew game. Especially when the person in question was not joking in any way shape or form. "IF", and i don't think this is true, but if Goons go around in various video games telling people to kill themselves then maybe there should be some afterparty shenanigans at fanfest next year. Thing is i know a couple goons and while they are master griefers and generally intolerable "IN GAME" assholes....they're actually good guys IRL and i'd have a beer with them anytime. They do not condone this bullshit. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:22:00 -
[3063] - Quote
Quote:He thinks that a nullsec alliance gives two ***** about wardecs. Hilarious.
Someone in a Null Sec alliance "who likes CCP proposal" about War Dec's in Town Assembly:
Quote:I like CCP's proposal.
Give me two reasons why a small high-sec group wardecs a large alliance. That's actually a trick question, there's only one: To grief them on the Jita 4-4 undock.
Legitimate war is unaffected for the following reasons:
Null-sec/Low-sec alliances don't use war decs. Seriously, that's what neutral/orange/red status is for. Just blob up, pew-pew and stay away from the sentries, if applicable. High-sec wars between two independent corps is cheap enough as is. One corp wardeccing a 100-member corp = 50mil extra. Dude, that's chump change. You'll spend ten times that amount on ships to get blown up. Go run an incursion for two hours and war-dec EVE-Uni. I bet you'll still walk away with a profit. High-sec alliances who want to PVP... wait, do those even exist outside of EVE-Uni? Fleet up, head to .4 and pew-pew to your heart's content. Just watch out for the sentries.
So clearly he: A.Does care. B.Does expect to be protected by the change.
So that is that. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1342
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:23:00 -
[3064] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:My friend, I'm not a Goon.
For the most part, I don't like a lot of the typical Goon behavior, although I'm slowly warming up to certain individuals.
However this witch hunt is far more irritating than Mittani's poor behavior. That would be why a large portion of the "Jesus people, grow up" comments are coming from non Goons.
Mindless lemmings with an axe to grind occasionally need the boot of common sense planted firmly in their ass... and that boot, on occasion, belongs to me. So, the Mittani has pushed War Dec changes that would make it cost billions of ISK per week to War Dec the Goons. Is this not in stark contrast to the "free for all" nonsense lies the Mittani claims to believe? Is this not in stark contrast to the CLAIMED spirit of Null Sec? Why should the biggest and most powerful corporations in Eve be shielded from War Decs when three noobs who make a corporation can be War Dec'd? It's bad for the game. And it is just more shameless hypocrisy. So why don't you stop being an idiot, "friend".
Oh my god... wow....
If anything the are probably a little irritated that their target selection will be a bit more limited. Null sec alliances rarely bother to war deck each other, and if some empire gank team decs them to try and pick off a stray hauler or freighter (as pointless as that is) it simply adds spice in the slow periods.
I haven't made up my mind yet about all of the proposed changes, but at least I have a basic grasp of what they will and will not do. You should probably get to that point before you go on a crusade, particularly one that involves hiding your irritation at perceived changes behind a holier than thou attack on someone else.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
65
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:23:00 -
[3065] - Quote
not to mention that acting like a jackass toughguy and starting fights will get you kicked out of most places
michaelthered have you ever been in a bar |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
206
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:23:00 -
[3066] - Quote
Wait, I know what the problem here is.
michaelthered, you're calling Mittens out for saying something on a video stream instead of face to face, but you're saying this behind a computer screen. This needs to change, and I know just the way -
Gather all of your thoughts about this. Write them down if you have to. Get a webcam, let us know exactly how you feel. Youtube is a good video host I hear.
Then and only then will we be certain of your virility and value as a human male. Hop to it! |
DigDoug
Order of the Phoenix IMPERIAL LEGI0N
19
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:23:00 -
[3067] - Quote
Entire thread seems preplanned to fish for gushing "no please don't resign zomzombbzbz we love yous"
Doesn't really matter, the typical american response of throwing a fake apology and some money at a problem and making it go away probably isn't going to play in a game with a global perspective. The I was drunk and didn't realize angle isn't going to play either. It was a side show, it was made ahead of time. If you can get ****-faced and modify a powerpoint presentation on the fly, well hats off to you.
CCP is going to have to show off for papa Sony and this guy is going to be punted.
The whole ccp "investigation" angle is hilarious, what specifically is there to investigate.. they were right there.. present, and broadcasting it. Its like a cop being an eye witness at a crime and when asked what happend, shrugging.
I didn't know Wis before this but I started a dialogue with the guy after the alliance panel. It made me sad to see how open his life and information is out there on the internet. His biggest crime appears being a decent person who expects other people to be decent, obviously had no idea what he would eventually run into in Eve Online. Having watched the downward spiral of the community culture over the years I am not surprised that something like this happend. It is actually happening every day just not as publicly celebrated. Griefing players within the confines of the game is fine, I have no problem with that and I don't think most of the playerbase does. The wider this thing goes the better. More unsuspecting players toiling around high sec not bothering anyone or doing anything to ruin someone else's game will get a better idea of the reality of Eve before this happens to them and if nothing else folks, FFS, safe guard your identity, just a lil.
A clear line needs to be drawn between the game and real life however. Searching people down online and using it for fodder to fuel your ingame cruelty has no place in any game and the fact it isn't even rare in Eve demeans all of us.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3665
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:25:00 -
[3068] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:As I said earlier it's all pretty simple in my opinion.
What he did would get any other player in the game a temp ban at best.
Regardless if his apology was sincere or not he needs to get banned. If the apology was sincere that doesn't take away the consquences of the action.
All being sincere should do in regards to an apology is show that you are remourseful and that you are a man who acknowledges you did something wrong. It says that you do not wish to be known as that kind of person because of a mistake you made.
The best case scenario I can see for his apology would be a little lineincy in the form of accepting his resignation from the CSM and only issuing a small temporary ban.
If CCP feels the apology was only an attempt to evade trouble then it should be a flull fledged removal from EvE.
It doesn't merit removal from the council, or even a temporary ban. I realize that you're VERY UPSET about him ganking your Mackinaw but that's actually allowed, believe it or not! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ender Karazaki
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
27
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:25:00 -
[3069] - Quote
Well, it must be really depressing to work for CCP. After the high of fanfest and the upcomming release of Dust to be faced with the drama queens, false outrage and bad press. It was really nothing more than a little stupid and immature remark within the context of the situation. Nobody in their right mind would suggest that the mittani REALLY wanted the guy to go kill himself. The crowed didn't gasp in horror or even laugh, it actually barely registered with them.
As the guy with the 23 accounts threatening to kill himself over internet spaceships... get some help and a life. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:26:00 -
[3070] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:[quote=michaelthered] So who are you threatening to kill? Goons in general? The Mittani?
I take back what I said about sort of sympathizing with you~
i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown....i'm saying recognize that speech that wouldn't fly out in the real world is still not acceptable just because this is a fun internet space ship pew game. Especially when the person in question was not joking in any way shape or form. "IF", and i don't think this is true, but if Goons go around in various video games telling people to kill themselves then maybe there should be some afterparty shenanigans at fanfest next year. "i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown", but then you talk about how goons should be ambushed at fanfest. You sound a touch crazy mate.
Quote:Thing is i know a couple goons and while they are master griefers and generally intolerable "IN GAME" assholes....they're actually good guys IRL and i'd have a beer with them anytime. They do not condone this bullshit.
Welcome to Goons. Alot of us are surprisingly chill. |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:28:00 -
[3071] - Quote
Ender Karazaki wrote:Well, it must be really depressing to work for CCP. After the high of fanfest and the upcomming release of Dust to be faced with the drama queens, false outrage and bad press. It was really nothing more than a little stupid and immature remark within the context of the situation. Nobody in their right mind would suggest that the mittani REALLY wanted the guy to go kill himself. The crowed didn't gasp in horror or even laugh, it actually barely registered with them.
As the guy with the 23 accounts threatening to kill himself over internet spaceships... get some help and a life.
To be honest, I don't really think they give a ****. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3669
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:28:00 -
[3072] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:[quote=michaelthered] So who are you threatening to kill? Goons in general? The Mittani?
I take back what I said about sort of sympathizing with you~
i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown....i'm saying recognize that speech that wouldn't fly out in the real world is still not acceptable just because this is a fun internet space ship pew game. Especially when the person in question was not joking in any way shape or form. "IF", and i don't think this is true, but if Goons go around in various video games telling people to kill themselves then maybe there should be some afterparty shenanigans at fanfest next year. Thing is i know a couple goons and while they are master griefers and generally intolerable "IN GAME" assholes....they're actually good guys IRL and i'd have a beer with them anytime. They do not condone this bullshit.
LOOK AT ME I'M ON A HIGH HORSE AND I'M MAKING VEILED REAL-LIFE THREATS AGAINST PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET, THIS IS TOTALLY NOT HYPOCRITICAL AND PATHETIC "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:28:00 -
[3073] - Quote
L00B wrote:[quote=michaelthered][quote=Kallynda Nai][quote=michaelthered]
(I like how you think 21 is so different than 20 or 19. Get over yourself, you old fart.)
here in the U.S you can't get into a bar if you're 20......comprehend the point now? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3669
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:29:00 -
[3074] - Quote
hey michael the red why don't you tell us about how much you lift irl because YOU ARE A TOUGH GUY AND YOU'D TAKE US ON ANY DAY OF THE WEEK "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:29:00 -
[3075] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Wait, I know what the problem here is.
michaelthered, you're calling Mittens out for saying something on a video stream instead of face to face, but you're saying this behind a computer screen. This needs to change, and I know just the way -
Gather all of your thoughts about this. Write them down if you have to. Get a webcam, let us know exactly how you feel. Youtube is a good video host I hear.
Then and only then will we be certain of your virility and value as a human male. Hop to it!
Oh god yes please do this. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:30:00 -
[3076] - Quote
Quote:Oh my god... wow....
If anything the are probably a little irritated that their target selection will be a bit more limited. Null sec alliances rarely bother to war deck each other, and if some empire gank team decs them to try and pick off a stray hauler or freighter (as pointless as that is) it simply adds spice in the slow periods.
I haven't made up my mind yet about all of the proposed changes, but at least I have a basic grasp of what they will and will not do. You should probably get to that point before you go on a crusade, particularly one that involves hiding your irritation at perceived changes behind a holier than thou attack on someone else.
I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to take your word for it, "friend". |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
208
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:30:00 -
[3077] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:here in the U.S you can't get into a bar if you're 20......comprehend the point now?
In Canada you can get into bars anywhere from 18-19 depending on the province, so no, what exactly is your point again?
Seriously, hearing you try to talk like you're anything other than a pathetic internet male is like listening to Steve Carell describe how breasts feel in The 40 Year Old Virgin |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3669
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:31:00 -
[3078] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:He thinks that a nullsec alliance gives two ***** about wardecs. Hilarious.
Someone in a Null Sec alliance "who likes CCP proposal" about War Dec's in Town Assembly: Quote:I like CCP's proposal.
Give me two reasons why a small high-sec group wardecs a large alliance. That's actually a trick question, there's only one: To grief them on the Jita 4-4 undock.
Legitimate war is unaffected for the following reasons:
Null-sec/Low-sec alliances don't use war decs. Seriously, that's what neutral/orange/red status is for. Just blob up, pew-pew and stay away from the sentries, if applicable. High-sec wars between two independent corps is cheap enough as is. One corp wardeccing a 100-member corp = 50mil extra. Dude, that's chump change. You'll spend ten times that amount on ships to get blown up. Go run an incursion for two hours and war-dec EVE-Uni. I bet you'll still walk away with a profit. High-sec alliances who want to PVP... wait, do those even exist outside of EVE-Uni? Fleet up, head to .4 and pew-pew to your heart's content. Just watch out for the sentries. So clearly he: A.Does care. B.Does expect to be protected by the change. So that is that.
CONTEXT IS DIFFICULT
CLEARLY HE SAID NOTHING ABOUT EVE UNIVERSITY IN THAT VERY POST YOU QUOTED "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:31:00 -
[3079] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:[quote=michaelthered] So who are you threatening to kill? Goons in general? The Mittani?
I take back what I said about sort of sympathizing with you~
i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown....i'm saying recognize that speech that wouldn't fly out in the real world is still not acceptable just because this is a fun internet space ship pew game. Especially when the person in question was not joking in any way shape or form. "IF", and i don't think this is true, but if Goons go around in various video games telling people to kill themselves then maybe there should be some afterparty shenanigans at fanfest next year. Thing is i know a couple goons and while they are master griefers and generally intolerable "IN GAME" assholes....they're actually good guys IRL and i'd have a beer with them anytime. They do not condone this bullshit.
You *****. You've put me in a position where I have to agree with Goons on the ******* game forum and I hate you for it. You're doing a similar sin to their Mittani god wannabe and mucking up any worth while point you ould make in so doing. You deserve the same treatment. Go out and get a life little Mr. ITG...
http://i.eprci.net/itg-quarterly
Just GTFO
You *****. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:32:00 -
[3080] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Wait, I know what the problem here is.
michaelthered, you're calling Mittens out for saying something on a video stream instead of face to face, but you're saying this behind a computer screen. This needs to change, and I know just the way -
Gather all of your thoughts about this. Write them down if you have to. Get a webcam, let us know exactly how you feel. Youtube is a good video host I hear.
Then and only then will we be certain of your virility and value as a human male. Hop to it! Oh god yes please do this.
Also please dress up like Goku and talk about how you're going to go super saiyin or whatever on his ass so you sound and look more intimidating. I've seen a lot of internet toughguys and the real ones always make it super clear they're not fake by either holding a gun or sword (edit: katanas are best for this) or dressing up in full costume.
If you have long, stringy hair and a neckbeard it's worth +15 intimidating points. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3669
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:32:00 -
[3081] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:Oh my god... wow....
If anything the are probably a little irritated that their target selection will be a bit more limited. Null sec alliances rarely bother to war deck each other, and if some empire gank team decs them to try and pick off a stray hauler or freighter (as pointless as that is) it simply adds spice in the slow periods.
I haven't made up my mind yet about all of the proposed changes, but at least I have a basic grasp of what they will and will not do. You should probably get to that point before you go on a crusade, particularly one that involves hiding your irritation at perceived changes behind a holier than thou attack on someone else.
I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to take your word for it, "friend".
okay nobody cares go cry in your lil corner "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:33:00 -
[3082] - Quote
D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=D Derp]
"i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown", but then you talk about how goons should be ambushed at fanfest. You sound a touch crazy mate. [.
ambushed? lols Just say "go kill yourself" to someones face and be prepared for adult consequences. "IF" you're not willing to say something to someones face don't say it over the internet. And don't hide behind the "it's just a game" notion. One of my corpmates is from Sweden and he stated blatantly if he made a video and posted it on the internet urging people to contact his neighbor to urge him to commit suicide, it would be jail time. This was not "fun and games" like certain people here are trying to make it out to be. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:33:00 -
[3083] - Quote
Andski wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:As I said earlier it's all pretty simple in my opinion.
What he did would get any other player in the game a temp ban at best.
Regardless if his apology was sincere or not he needs to get banned. If the apology was sincere that doesn't take away the consquences of the action.
All being sincere should do in regards to an apology is show that you are remourseful and that you are a man who acknowledges you did something wrong. It says that you do not wish to be known as that kind of person because of a mistake you made.
The best case scenario I can see for his apology would be a little lineincy in the form of accepting his resignation from the CSM and only issuing a small temporary ban.
If CCP feels the apology was only an attempt to evade trouble then it should be a flull fledged removal from EvE. It doesn't merit removal from the council, or even a temporary ban. I realize that you're VERY UPSET about him ganking your Mackinaw but that's actually allowed, believe it or not! Do you actually understand why everyone is so pissed? It has nothing to do with his in-game actions. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:33:00 -
[3084] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:Oh my god... wow....
If anything the are probably a little irritated that their target selection will be a bit more limited. Null sec alliances rarely bother to war deck each other, and if some empire gank team decs them to try and pick off a stray hauler or freighter (as pointless as that is) it simply adds spice in the slow periods.
I haven't made up my mind yet about all of the proposed changes, but at least I have a basic grasp of what they will and will not do. You should probably get to that point before you go on a crusade, particularly one that involves hiding your irritation at perceived changes behind a holier than thou attack on someone else.
I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to take your word for it, "friend".
and i'm afraid you're really really really dumb
we haul important things with npc corp alts mostly there's the big secret hth
we dont give a damn about empire, and most of us only go there for skillbooks |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
357
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:34:00 -
[3085] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=D Derp]
"i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown", but then you talk about how goons should be ambushed at fanfest. You sound a touch crazy mate. [. ambushed? lols Just say "go kill yourself" to someones face and be prepared for adult consequences. "IF" you're not willing to say something to someones face don't say it over the internet. And don't hide behind the "it's just a game" notion. One of my corpmates is from Sweden and he stated blatantly if he made a video and posted it on the internet urging people to contact his neighbor to urge him to commit suicide, it would be jail time. This was not "fun and games" like certain people here are trying to make it out to be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI
time 01.12.00
Everyone needs to see it. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:34:00 -
[3086] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:L00B wrote:[quote=michaelthered][quote=Kallynda Nai][quote=michaelthered]
(I like how you think 21 is so different than 20 or 19. Get over yourself, you old fart.) here in the U.S you can't get into a bar if you're 20......comprehend the point now?
I live in the U.S. you mongoloid. There's no appreciable difference between someone in their late teens and early twenties. Just because they can drink legally doesn't make them any less stupid or idealist.
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:34:00 -
[3087] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Andski wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:As I said earlier it's all pretty simple in my opinion.
What he did would get any other player in the game a temp ban at best.
Regardless if his apology was sincere or not he needs to get banned. If the apology was sincere that doesn't take away the consquences of the action.
All being sincere should do in regards to an apology is show that you are remourseful and that you are a man who acknowledges you did something wrong. It says that you do not wish to be known as that kind of person because of a mistake you made.
The best case scenario I can see for his apology would be a little lineincy in the form of accepting his resignation from the CSM and only issuing a small temporary ban.
If CCP feels the apology was only an attempt to evade trouble then it should be a flull fledged removal from EvE. It doesn't merit removal from the council, or even a temporary ban. I realize that you're VERY UPSET about him ganking your Mackinaw but that's actually allowed, believe it or not! Do you actually understand why everyone is so pissed? It has nothing to do with his in-game actions.
because the majority of them are stupid publords with an axe to grind and OH HEY AN OPPORTUNITY TO STICK IT TO THE GOONIES
but then because, pubbies, it turns into a pathetic dramafest like this |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:34:00 -
[3088] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=D Derp]
"i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown", but then you talk about how goons should be ambushed at fanfest. You sound a touch crazy mate. [. ambushed? lols Just say "go kill yourself" to someones face and be prepared for adult consequences. "IF" you're not willing to say something to someones face don't say it over the internet. And don't hide behind the "it's just a game" notion. One of my corpmates is from Sweden and he stated blatantly if he made a video and posted it on the internet urging people to contact his neighbor to urge him to commit suicide, it would be jail time. This was not "fun and games" like certain people here are trying to make it out to be.
If the consequence of telling someone to kill themselves IRL is getting posts like the one you've made I need to start doing it more often because this **** is hilarious. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3669
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:35:00 -
[3089] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=D Derp]
"i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown", but then you talk about how goons should be ambushed at fanfest. You sound a touch crazy mate. [. ambushed? lols Just say "go kill yourself" to someones face and be prepared for adult consequences. "IF" you're not willing to say something to someones face don't say it over the internet. And don't hide behind the "it's just a game" notion. One of my corpmates is from Sweden and he stated blatantly if he made a video and posted it on the internet urging people to contact his neighbor to urge him to commit suicide, it would be jail time. This was not "fun and games" like certain people here are trying to make it out to be.
Unlike you, most sane adults don't start a fist-fight over crap people say. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:35:00 -
[3090] - Quote
Quote:okay nobody cares go cry in your lil corner
Why are the Null-Bears so hushed?
Mittens is going to take care of the High-sec Monsters who are mean to you. He is going to give you all the POCO's and every raw input in the game.
Why should it be so hard to admit that this is all completely undeserved and that you are not really tough at all?
You can still grief one miner. 1000 to 1. You can still be yourselves. |
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
71
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:35:00 -
[3091] - Quote
Wow.
So, we've given up all pretense of actually discussing the topic at hand and degenerated to finger-pointing and name-calling, eh?
Keep shouting...if you're loud enough, someone will have to listen to you, right? |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:35:00 -
[3092] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=D Derp]
"i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown", but then you talk about how goons should be ambushed at fanfest. You sound a touch crazy mate. [. ambushed? lols Just say "go kill yourself" to someones face and be prepared for adult consequences. "IF" you're not willing to say something to someones face don't say it over the internet. And don't hide behind the "it's just a game" notion. One of my corpmates is from Sweden and he stated blatantly if he made a video and posted it on the internet urging people to contact his neighbor to urge him to commit suicide, it would be jail time. This was not "fun and games" like certain people here are trying to make it out to be. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHItime 01.12.00 Everyone needs to see it.
a drunk guy talking trash, threadnought at 11 |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
208
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:35:00 -
[3093] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:If the consequence of telling someone to kill themselves IRL is getting posts like the one you've made I need to start doing it more often because this **** is hilarious.
SIDUS SARMIANG KILL YOURSELF OK
*waits for the white knight brigade* |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:36:00 -
[3094] - Quote
Andski wrote:hey michael the red why don't you tell us about how much you lift irl because YOU ARE A TOUGH GUY AND YOU'D TAKE US ON ANY DAY OF THE WEEK
oh please, lols. But just for you I bench 400lbs and have a 12 inch trousersnake....did that make you feel better?
|
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:37:00 -
[3095] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:If the consequence of telling someone to kill themselves IRL is getting posts like the one you've made I need to start doing it more often because this **** is hilarious. SIDUS SARMIANG KILL YOURSELF OK *waits for the white knight brigade*
Oh **** son, you've done it now. I will notify the online gaming magazines.
All the online gaming magazines. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:37:00 -
[3096] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:L00B wrote:[quote=michaelthered][quote=Kallynda Nai][quote=michaelthered]
(I like how you think 21 is so different than 20 or 19. Get over yourself, you old fart.) here in the U.S you can't get into a bar if you're 20......comprehend the point now?
http://pull.imgfave.netdna-cdn.com/image_cache/1323062570885261.png |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1342
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:37:00 -
[3097] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:Oh my god... wow....
If anything the are probably a little irritated that their target selection will be a bit more limited. Null sec alliances rarely bother to war deck each other, and if some empire gank team decs them to try and pick off a stray hauler or freighter (as pointless as that is) it simply adds spice in the slow periods.
I haven't made up my mind yet about all of the proposed changes, but at least I have a basic grasp of what they will and will not do. You should probably get to that point before you go on a crusade, particularly one that involves hiding your irritation at perceived changes behind a holier than thou attack on someone else.
I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to take your word for it, "friend".
No problem, start with trying to actually understand the post you quoted earlier.
Null Sec alliances use neutral alts to haul their goods, war decs don't affect them at all.
Null sec alliances have no need to war dec each other under the current system, it serves no purpose what-so-ever.
The goal of the REST of the proposed changes are aimed at making War Decs meaningful to everyone including Null Sec alliances, but if they want the advantages they'll be paying large amounts of coin for it.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go declare war on China 'cause I have a spare $5 in my wallet. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
358
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:37:00 -
[3098] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Wow.
So, we've given up all pretense of actually discussing the topic at hand and degenerated to finger-pointing and name-calling, eh?
Keep shouting...if you're loud enough, someone will have to listen to you, right?
Thats what the goons try to do to stop discussion.
When one of the mods sweeps in and bans or removed their posts in a bit then it will be back on track. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:38:00 -
[3099] - Quote
L00B wrote:[quote=michaelthered][quote=L00B][
I live in the U.S. you mongoloid. There's no appreciable difference between someone in their late teens and early twenties. Just because they can drink legally doesn't make them any less stupid or idealist.
but they can't get into a bar which was the point....u see that right? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3669
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:39:00 -
[3100] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:okay nobody cares go cry in your lil corner Why are the Null-Bears so hushed? Mittens is going to take care of the High-sec Monsters who are mean to you. He is going to give you all the POCO's and every raw input in the game. Why should it be so hard to admit that this is all completely undeserved and that you are not really tough at all? You can still grief one miner. 1000 to 1. You can still be yourselves.
Literally nobody in nullsec cares about wardec mechanics, and none of this is even relevant, worthless publord. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:39:00 -
[3101] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=D Derp]
"i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown", but then you talk about how goons should be ambushed at fanfest. You sound a touch crazy mate. [. ambushed? lols Just say "go kill yourself" to someones face and be prepared for adult consequences. "IF" you're not willing to say something to someones face don't say it over the internet. And don't hide behind the "it's just a game" notion. One of my corpmates is from Sweden and he stated blatantly if he made a video and posted it on the internet urging people to contact his neighbor to urge him to commit suicide, it would be jail time. This was not "fun and games" like certain people here are trying to make it out to be.
Sweden isn't america, bro. Also, nice false equivalency bro~ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3669
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:39:00 -
[3102] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:L00B wrote:[quote=michaelthered][quote=L00B][
I live in the U.S. you mongoloid. There's no appreciable difference between someone in their late teens and early twenties. Just because they can drink legally doesn't make them any less stupid or idealist.
but they can't get into a bar which was the point....u see that right?
shut up idiot "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
358
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:39:00 -
[3103] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:a drunk guy talking trash, threadnought at 11
Drunk is not excuse for inciting violence.
Even your boss admits being drunk is not an excuse.
So you are going against your boss? |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:39:00 -
[3104] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:Oh my god... wow....
If anything the are probably a little irritated that their target selection will be a bit more limited. Null sec alliances rarely bother to war deck each other, and if some empire gank team decs them to try and pick off a stray hauler or freighter (as pointless as that is) it simply adds spice in the slow periods.
I haven't made up my mind yet about all of the proposed changes, but at least I have a basic grasp of what they will and will not do. You should probably get to that point before you go on a crusade, particularly one that involves hiding your irritation at perceived changes behind a holier than thou attack on someone else.
I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to take your word for it, "friend". No problem, start with trying to actually understand the post you quoted earlier. Null Sec alliances use neutral alts to haul their goods, war decs don't affect them at all. Null sec alliances have no need to war dec each other under the current system, it serves no purpose what-so-ever. The goal of the REST of the proposed changes are aimed at making War Decs meaningful to everyone including Null Sec alliances, but if they want the advantages they'll be paying large amounts of coin for it. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go declare war on China 'cause I have a spare $5 in my wallet.
Well then I guess it would be impossible to "grief you at the Jita dock."
Yet Skippie the Nullseccer said the only reason to War Dec an alliance was to "grief you at the Jita dock".
Oh wait. You are a shameless liar. Okay. Got it.
|
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:40:00 -
[3105] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=D Derp]
"i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown", but then you talk about how goons should be ambushed at fanfest. You sound a touch crazy mate. [. ambushed? lols Just say "go kill yourself" to someones face and be prepared for adult consequences. "IF" you're not willing to say something to someones face don't say it over the internet. And don't hide behind the "it's just a game" notion. One of my corpmates is from Sweden and he stated blatantly if he made a video and posted it on the internet urging people to contact his neighbor to urge him to commit suicide, it would be jail time. This was not "fun and games" like certain people here are trying to make it out to be. If the consequence of telling someone to kill themselves IRL is getting posts like the one you've made I need to start doing it more often because this **** is hilarious.
no the consequences are usually a brawl. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3669
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:40:00 -
[3106] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Wow.
So, we've given up all pretense of actually discussing the topic at hand and degenerated to finger-pointing and name-calling, eh?
Keep shouting...if you're loud enough, someone will have to listen to you, right? Thats what the goons try to do to stop discussion. When one of the mods sweeps in and bans or removed their posts in a bit then it will be back on track.
The one taking this off-topic is the tough guy talking about how he'd take us all on IRL because he lifts and frequents bars because he's a BADASS like that "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
358
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:40:00 -
[3107] - Quote
D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=D Derp]
"i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown", but then you talk about how goons should be ambushed at fanfest. You sound a touch crazy mate. [. ambushed? lols Just say "go kill yourself" to someones face and be prepared for adult consequences. "IF" you're not willing to say something to someones face don't say it over the internet. And don't hide behind the "it's just a game" notion. One of my corpmates is from Sweden and he stated blatantly if he made a video and posted it on the internet urging people to contact his neighbor to urge him to commit suicide, it would be jail time. This was not "fun and games" like certain people here are trying to make it out to be. Sweden isn't america, bro. Also, nice false equivalency bro~
You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI. |
Isaias Riorden
Internet Space Ship Game
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:40:00 -
[3108] - Quote
So is this why CCP ****** up the replay of the alliance panel? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3669
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:41:00 -
[3109] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:no the consequences are usually a brawl.
oh look at this e-badass talking about how he gets into brawls at bars
those of us in the civilized world with gainful employment do not partake in these "brawls" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
358
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:41:00 -
[3110] - Quote
Andski wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Wow.
So, we've given up all pretense of actually discussing the topic at hand and degenerated to finger-pointing and name-calling, eh?
Keep shouting...if you're loud enough, someone will have to listen to you, right? Thats what the goons try to do to stop discussion. When one of the mods sweeps in and bans or removed their posts in a bit then it will be back on track. The one taking this off-topic is the tough guy talking about how he'd take us all on IRL because he lifts and frequents bars because he's a BADASS like that
Report it and move on then. |
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Ashen Molotov
Plantains
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:41:00 -
[3111] - Quote
Andski wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:As I said earlier it's all pretty simple in my opinion.
What he did would get any other player in the game a temp ban at best.
Regardless if his apology was sincere or not he needs to get banned. If the apology was sincere that doesn't take away the consquences of the action.
All being sincere should do in regards to an apology is show that you are remourseful and that you are a man who acknowledges you did something wrong. It says that you do not wish to be known as that kind of person because of a mistake you made.
The best case scenario I can see for his apology would be a little lineincy in the form of accepting his resignation from the CSM and only issuing a small temporary ban.
If CCP feels the apology was only an attempt to evade trouble then it should be a flull fledged removal from EvE. It doesn't merit removal from the council, or even a temporary ban. I realize that you're VERY UPSET about him ganking your Mackinaw but that's actually allowed, believe it or not!
Stop posting before you make the rest of the Goons look like morons. Who cares about a stupid in game ship? I was obviously refering to his harrassment of the "suicidal" dude. On top of that your leader himself seems to agree with me and numerous others that at the least it deserves a removal from CSM.
You can try to deny what he did and where he crossed the line all you want to. Inside though EVERYONE knows that if any other eve player short of maybe 2 or 3 others had done this very same thing they would have already been hit with the ban hammer. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
358
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:41:00 -
[3112] - Quote
Isaias Riorden wrote:So is this why CCP ****** up the replay of the alliance panel?
Most likely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI
1:12:00
|
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3669
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:41:00 -
[3113] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI.
i wonder how hans feels about having a mouthbreather like you as his corpmate "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
167
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:42:00 -
[3114] - Quote
People who get into brawls at bars usually end up in a small room next to a 300 man named Bubba who thinks they have a purdy mouth. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:42:00 -
[3115] - Quote
Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=D Derp]
"i'm not threatening to kill anyone you clown", but then you talk about how goons should be ambushed at fanfest. You sound a touch crazy mate. [. ambushed? lols Just say "go kill yourself" to someones face and be prepared for adult consequences. "IF" you're not willing to say something to someones face don't say it over the internet. And don't hide behind the "it's just a game" notion. One of my corpmates is from Sweden and he stated blatantly if he made a video and posted it on the internet urging people to contact his neighbor to urge him to commit suicide, it would be jail time. This was not "fun and games" like certain people here are trying to make it out to be. Unlike you, most sane adults don't start a fist-fight over crap people say.
One time me and Cousin Joe were ridin down the bayou in my pickup and we stopped in the station to pick up a 24 pack of bud and some skoal. There was this kid there who called Cousin Joe a homosexual. We broke hiREAL LIFE CONSEQUENCES
|
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:42:00 -
[3116] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Andski wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Wow.
So, we've given up all pretense of actually discussing the topic at hand and degenerated to finger-pointing and name-calling, eh?
Keep shouting...if you're loud enough, someone will have to listen to you, right? Thats what the goons try to do to stop discussion. When one of the mods sweeps in and bans or removed their posts in a bit then it will be back on track. The one taking this off-topic is the tough guy talking about how he'd take us all on IRL because he lifts and frequents bars because he's a BADASS like that Report it and move on then.
Are you kidding? ******* with him is almost as fun as making you look like an idiot. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:43:00 -
[3117] - Quote
Andski wrote:[quote=michaelthered][quote=D Derp]
Unlike you, most sane adults don't start a fist-fight over crap people say.
See this^^^
no connection to the real world. Troll people with this suicide **** and get other people in on it there are live grown ass consequences. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:43:00 -
[3118] - Quote
Andski wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Wow.
So, we've given up all pretense of actually discussing the topic at hand and degenerated to finger-pointing and name-calling, eh?
Keep shouting...if you're loud enough, someone will have to listen to you, right? Thats what the goons try to do to stop discussion. When one of the mods sweeps in and bans or removed their posts in a bit then it will be back on track. The one taking this off-topic is the tough guy talking about how he'd take us all on IRL because he lifts and frequents bars because he's a BADASS like that
The funny part is the pubbie is acting like this is a dignified discussion that we're polluting.
I think a closer analogy is that this is Mystery Science Theater 2000 and us goons are watching a bad movie. |
WolfeReign
T.O.R. STR8NGE BREW
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:43:00 -
[3119] - Quote
156 pages an you people are still arguing about this....get a life and wait for CCP's actions, then come back and complain some more |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:44:00 -
[3120] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:a drunk guy talking trash, threadnought at 11 Drunk is not excuse for inciting violence. Even your boss admits being drunk is not an excuse. So you are going against your boss?
yes
up your trolling son |
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Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
81
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:44:00 -
[3121] - Quote
goons rigging the csm to make it impossible for hi-seccers to wardec us is some new level :tinfoil: |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:44:00 -
[3122] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:Andski wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:As I said earlier it's all pretty simple in my opinion.
What he did would get any other player in the game a temp ban at best.
Regardless if his apology was sincere or not he needs to get banned. If the apology was sincere that doesn't take away the consquences of the action.
All being sincere should do in regards to an apology is show that you are remourseful and that you are a man who acknowledges you did something wrong. It says that you do not wish to be known as that kind of person because of a mistake you made.
The best case scenario I can see for his apology would be a little lineincy in the form of accepting his resignation from the CSM and only issuing a small temporary ban.
If CCP feels the apology was only an attempt to evade trouble then it should be a flull fledged removal from EvE. It doesn't merit removal from the council, or even a temporary ban. I realize that you're VERY UPSET about him ganking your Mackinaw but that's actually allowed, believe it or not! Stop posting before you make the rest of the Goons look like morons. Who cares about a stupid in game ship? I was obviously refering to his harrassment of the "suicidal" dude. On top of that your leader himself seems to agree with me and numerous others that at the least it deserves a removal from CSM.You can try to deny what he did and where he crossed the line all you want to. Inside though EVERYONE knows that if any other eve player short of maybe 2 or 3 others had done this very same thing they would have already been hit with the ban hammer.
The CSM, however, doesn't seem to think so. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
44
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:45:00 -
[3123] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI.
RougeOperator wrote:You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA
RougeOperator wrote: subject to all laws that would be illegal
RougeOperator wrote: laws that would be illegal
Don't hold your breath while you post. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:45:00 -
[3124] - Quote
WolfeReign wrote:156 pages an you people are still arguing about this....get a life and wait for CCP's actions, then come back and complain some more
We'd like to post now and beat the holiday rush. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
52
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:45:00 -
[3125] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:Oh my god... wow....
If anything the are probably a little irritated that their target selection will be a bit more limited. Null sec alliances rarely bother to war deck each other, and if some empire gank team decs them to try and pick off a stray hauler or freighter (as pointless as that is) it simply adds spice in the slow periods.
I haven't made up my mind yet about all of the proposed changes, but at least I have a basic grasp of what they will and will not do. You should probably get to that point before you go on a crusade, particularly one that involves hiding your irritation at perceived changes behind a holier than thou attack on someone else.
I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to take your word for it, "friend". No problem, start with trying to actually understand the post you quoted earlier. Null Sec alliances use neutral alts to haul their goods, war decs don't affect them at all. Null sec alliances have no need to war dec each other under the current system, it serves no purpose what-so-ever. The goal of the REST of the proposed changes are aimed at making War Decs meaningful to everyone including Null Sec alliances, but if they want the advantages they'll be paying large amounts of coin for it. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go declare war on China 'cause I have a spare $5 in my wallet. Well then I guess it would be impossible to "grief you at the Jita dock." Yet Skippie the Nullseccer said the only reason to War Dec an alliance was to "grief you at the Jita dock". Oh wait. You are a shameless liar. Okay. Got it.
Is there another reason to wardec nullsec alliances other than to shoot the stupider members who haul with their mains? I honestly don't know.
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Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
73
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:45:00 -
[3126] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI. I'm sorry, but this is demonstrably false. I've seen Americans drink beer in taxicabs in Freeport, Bahamas with no penalty...something that is illegal in the US. I've seen Americans use cannabis in Amsterdam. I've seen Americans patronize call girls in Thailand.
Not saying I side with your argument or against it, just that this statement is untrue. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3669
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:46:00 -
[3127] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:no connection to the real world. Troll people with this suicide **** and get other people in on it there are live grown ass consequences.
No tell me more about how anyone who tells you to kill yourself has to deal with the consequences when you punch them in the jaw
and you won't have to deal with any real consequences yourself because YOU BRAWL AT BARS "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
52
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:47:00 -
[3128] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI.
Derp. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
52
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:47:00 -
[3129] - Quote
^ What he said.
RougeOperator wrote: You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI.
So, Swedish law applies to americans not in sweden because... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1342
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:48:00 -
[3130] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Quote:Oh my god... wow....
If anything the are probably a little irritated that their target selection will be a bit more limited. Null sec alliances rarely bother to war deck each other, and if some empire gank team decs them to try and pick off a stray hauler or freighter (as pointless as that is) it simply adds spice in the slow periods.
I haven't made up my mind yet about all of the proposed changes, but at least I have a basic grasp of what they will and will not do. You should probably get to that point before you go on a crusade, particularly one that involves hiding your irritation at perceived changes behind a holier than thou attack on someone else.
I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to take your word for it, "friend". No problem, start with trying to actually understand the post you quoted earlier. Null Sec alliances use neutral alts to haul their goods, war decs don't affect them at all. Null sec alliances have no need to war dec each other under the current system, it serves no purpose what-so-ever. The goal of the REST of the proposed changes are aimed at making War Decs meaningful to everyone including Null Sec alliances, but if they want the advantages they'll be paying large amounts of coin for it. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go declare war on China 'cause I have a spare $5 in my wallet. Well then I guess it would be impossible to "grief you at the Jita dock." Yet Skippie the Nullseccer said the only reason to War Dec an alliance was to "grief you at the Jita dock". Oh wait. You are a shameless liar. Okay. Got it.
When under a war dec of course it's impossible to "grief me at the Jita dock" nitwit. If I'm under a war dec I use a neutral alt.
Again, I'm not a Goon... and while I"ve been a member of major Null Sec alliances for most of my time in EVE I'm currently taking a break from that in Empire.
If you think anything I've said about the how war decs affect Null Sec alliances is a lie, please feel free to educate yourself by asking anyone whose ever lived in Null.
Do you even pretend to have a point anymore? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:48:00 -
[3131] - Quote
Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:no connection to the real world. Troll people with this suicide **** and get other people in on it there are live grown ass consequences. No tell me more about how anyone who tells you to kill yourself has to deal with the consequences when you punch them in the jaw and you won't have to deal with any real consequences yourself because YOU BRAWL AT BARS
EVE-O forums are truly debating in the finest Oxford tradition.
Also lol at anyone who thinks that this is going to accomplish anything whatsoever.
CCP will say something. Mittani will say something. A decision will be made and no one in this or any of the other threads will have anything to do with it. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
370
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:50:00 -
[3132] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:RougeOperator wrote:You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI. I'm sorry, but this is demonstrably false. I've seen Americans drink beer in taxicabs in Freeport, Bahamas with no penalty...something that is illegal in the US. I've seen Americans use cannabis in Amsterdam. I've seen Americans patronize call girls in Thailand. Not saying I side with your argument or against it, just that this statement is untrue.
Read your passport documentation please.
Also know what a federal law is vs a state law.
Also the girls in Thailand thing is why that put that law into effect just an FYI. To stop sex tours from the USA that were going there.
Ignorance is no defense in a court a law. |
Tore Vest
289
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:50:00 -
[3133] - Quote
It looks like that eaven goons want to get rid of mittens.... on the way this thread is going...
Damn... 150+ pages allready A real highsec carebear. |
Ashen Molotov
Plantains
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:52:00 -
[3134] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:Andski wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:As I said earlier it's all pretty simple in my opinion.
What he did would get any other player in the game a temp ban at best.
Regardless if his apology was sincere or not he needs to get banned. If the apology was sincere that doesn't take away the consquences of the action.
All being sincere should do in regards to an apology is show that you are remourseful and that you are a man who acknowledges you did something wrong. It says that you do not wish to be known as that kind of person because of a mistake you made.
The best case scenario I can see for his apology would be a little lineincy in the form of accepting his resignation from the CSM and only issuing a small temporary ban.
If CCP feels the apology was only an attempt to evade trouble then it should be a flull fledged removal from EvE. It doesn't merit removal from the council, or even a temporary ban. I realize that you're VERY UPSET about him ganking your Mackinaw but that's actually allowed, believe it or not! Stop posting before you make the rest of the Goons look like morons. Who cares about a stupid in game ship? I was obviously refering to his harrassment of the "suicidal" dude. On top of that your leader himself seems to agree with me and numerous others that at the least it deserves a removal from CSM.You can try to deny what he did and where he crossed the line all you want to. Inside though EVERYONE knows that if any other eve player short of maybe 2 or 3 others had done this very same thing they would have already been hit with the ban hammer. The CSM, however, doesn't seem to think so.
And that matters how? The CSM is not above CCP and their rules. I don't care if every single active player in EvE voted to let him stay CCP should still remove him. He violated their EULA or whatever the hell you want to call it to an extreme degree. The only reason it's a conversation and not a "Bam you banned and forever forgotten" situation is b/c of his immense popularity. Hell he is probably the most famous EvE play ever, and if not he's damn close. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:52:00 -
[3135] - Quote
Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:no connection to the real world. Troll people with this suicide **** and get other people in on it there are live grown ass consequences. No tell me more about how anyone who tells you to kill yourself has to deal with the consequences when you punch them in the jaw and you won't have to deal with any real consequences yourself because YOU BRAWL AT BARS
god you don't even think this guy should be removed from any position of influence within this game, let alone any "REAL WORLD" consequences......do you? This is my issue.....the guy "clearly" deserves the natural beating of a lifetime i've seen the video don't argue with that.....yet you little peeny's don't even think he did anything wrong and should keep his leadership position here. It's like another world you're living in....and really who's to say that world is less real, lawls |
Ender Karazaki
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:53:00 -
[3136] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote:It looks like that eaven goons want to get rid of mittens.... on the way this thread is going... Damn... 150+ pages allready
Are we all griefing the mitani now? |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
52
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:53:00 -
[3137] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:RougeOperator wrote:You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI. I'm sorry, but this is demonstrably false. I've seen Americans drink beer in taxicabs in Freeport, Bahamas with no penalty...something that is illegal in the US. I've seen Americans use cannabis in Amsterdam. I've seen Americans patronize call girls in Thailand. Not saying I side with your argument or against it, just that this statement is untrue. Read your passport documentation please. Also know what a federal law is vs a state law. Also the girls in Thailand thing is why that put that law into effect just an FYI. To stop sex tours from the USA that were going there. Ignorance is no defense in a court a law.
I still don't see how this makes the laws of another country apply to Americans living in America. |
Isaias Riorden
Internet Space Ship Game
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:53:00 -
[3138] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:no connection to the real world. Troll people with this suicide **** and get other people in on it there are live grown ass consequences. No tell me more about how anyone who tells you to kill yourself has to deal with the consequences when you punch them in the jaw and you won't have to deal with any real consequences yourself because YOU BRAWL AT BARS god you don't even think this guy should be removed from any position of influence within this game, let alone any "REAL WORLD" consequences......do you? This is my issue.....the guy "clearly" deserves the natural beating of a lifetime i've seen the video don't argue with that.....yet you little peeny's don't even think he did anything wrong and should keep his leadership position here. It's like another world you're living in....and really who's to say that world is less real, lawls
"Within this game" |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:53:00 -
[3139] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:[quote=Amity Lane][.
Ignorance is no defense in a court a law.
hehe, is true |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3670
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:55:00 -
[3140] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:RougeOperator wrote:You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI. I'm sorry, but this is demonstrably false. I've seen Americans drink beer in taxicabs in Freeport, Bahamas with no penalty...something that is illegal in the US. I've seen Americans use cannabis in Amsterdam. I've seen Americans patronize call girls in Thailand. Not saying I side with your argument or against it, just that this statement is untrue. Read your passport documentation please. Also know what a federal law is vs a state law. Also the girls in Thailand thing is why that put that law into effect just an FYI. To stop sex tours from the USA that were going there. Ignorance is no defense in a court a law.
It's specific to sex tourism. I doubt our government is terribly concerned about 20 year old Americans drinking at Fanfest. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
124
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:56:00 -
[3141] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote:It looks like that eaven goons want to get rid of mittens.... on the way this thread is going... Damn... 150+ pages allready That is because Mittani is a piece of ****. Everyone want's him to go except for a select group of forum trolling goon zerglings using all of their alts to post the same thing. The time for Mittani to leave has come, hope he's enjoyed his stay. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:57:00 -
[3142] - Quote
The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances.
See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:57:00 -
[3143] - Quote
Andski wrote:[quote=RougeOperator][quote=Amity Lane][
It's specific to sex tourism. I doubt our government is terribly concerned about 20 year old Americans drinking at Fanfest.
no it's not...at least not anymore. They just passed a new law that would "technically" allow them to prosecute an american citizen for smoking ********* in amsterdam. Whether they ever enforce that is anybody's guess but it's on the books now. Keep up with the world it's changing right infront of your face. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
54
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:58:00 -
[3144] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Tore Vest wrote:It looks like that eaven goons want to get rid of mittens.... on the way this thread is going... Damn... 150+ pages allready That is because Mittani is a piece of ****. Everyone want's him to go except for a select group of forum trolling goon zerglings using all of their alts to post the same thing. The time for Mittani to leave has come, hope he's enjoyed his stay.
This isn't true, no matter how hard you wish upon your lucky stars. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:58:00 -
[3145] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Tore Vest wrote:It looks like that eaven goons want to get rid of mittens.... on the way this thread is going... Damn... 150+ pages allready That is because Mittani is a piece of ****. Everyone want's him to go except for a select group of forum trolling goon zerglings using all of their alts to post the same thing. The time for Mittani to leave has come, hope he's enjoyed his stay. http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/444/daa/69d/resized/grandma-finds-the-internet-meme-generator-jeepers-another-zerg-rush-89473e.jpg |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
55
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:58:00 -
[3146] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Tore Vest wrote:It looks like that eaven goons want to get rid of mittens.... on the way this thread is going... Damn... 150+ pages allready That is because Mittani is a piece of ****. Everyone want's him to go except for a select group of forum trolling goon zerglings using all of their alts to post the same thing. The time for Mittani to leave has come, hope he's enjoyed his stay.
You're right. Mittens is being trolled out of the game by... the eve-o forums. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3670
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:58:00 -
[3147] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Tore Vest wrote:It looks like that eaven goons want to get rid of mittens.... on the way this thread is going... Damn... 150+ pages allready That is because Mittani is a piece of ****. Everyone want's him to go except for a select group of forum trolling goon zerglings using all of their alts to post the same thing. The time for Mittani to leave has come, hope he's enjoyed his stay.
yeah you're so mad about the titan nerf it shows "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
373
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:59:00 -
[3148] - Quote
D Derp wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:RougeOperator wrote:You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI. I'm sorry, but this is demonstrably false. I've seen Americans drink beer in taxicabs in Freeport, Bahamas with no penalty...something that is illegal in the US. I've seen Americans use cannabis in Amsterdam. I've seen Americans patronize call girls in Thailand. Not saying I side with your argument or against it, just that this statement is untrue. Read your passport documentation please. Also know what a federal law is vs a state law. Also the girls in Thailand thing is why that put that law into effect just an FYI. To stop sex tours from the USA that were going there. Ignorance is no defense in a court a law. I still don't see how this makes the laws of another country apply to Americans living in America.
Cause the other part of the passport says you are subject to laws of the lands you visit while you are there as well. This isn't hard.
Your embassy might try to get you out of it depending but 99% of the time you are under the laws of the country you are in and the USA wont help. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
124
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 04:59:00 -
[3149] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ Didn't you know that CCP takes into consideration the opinions of almost the entire playerbase? |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
55
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:59:00 -
[3150] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Andski wrote:[quote=RougeOperator][quote=Amity Lane][
It's specific to sex tourism. I doubt our government is terribly concerned about 20 year old Americans drinking at Fanfest. no it's not...at least not anymore. They just passed a new law that would "technically" allow them to prosecute an american citizen for smoking ********* in amsterdam. Whether they ever enforce that is anybody's guess but it's on the books now. Keep up with the world it's changing right infront of your face.
Isn't our government wonderful? Screw fixing the country, we need to make it so that people dont break vice laws on the other side of the planet~
e: It's almost as crazy as you. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3670
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:59:00 -
[3151] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:no it's not...at least not anymore. They just passed a new law that would "technically" allow them to prosecute an american citizen for smoking ********* in amsterdam. Whether they ever enforce that is anybody's guess but it's on the books now. Keep up with the world it's changing right infront of your face.
This is coming from somebody who thinks that it's perfectly alright to assault somebody because they told you to kill yourself. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
168
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:00:00 -
[3152] - Quote
D Derp wrote:de4deye wrote:Tore Vest wrote:It looks like that eaven goons want to get rid of mittens.... on the way this thread is going... Damn... 150+ pages allready That is because Mittani is a piece of ****. Everyone want's him to go except for a select group of forum trolling goon zerglings using all of their alts to post the same thing. The time for Mittani to leave has come, hope he's enjoyed his stay. You're right. Mittens is being trolled out of the game by... the eve-o forums.
Sometimes the bad posting can get to be too much even for the best of us. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
55
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:01:00 -
[3153] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ Didn't you know that CCP takes into consideration the opinions of almost the entire playerbase?
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
42
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:01:00 -
[3154] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:The CSM, however, doesn't seem to think so.
If they didn't think so then they wouldn't have announced that they are talking with CCP about the issue and amongst themselves where we will hear the decision in the next few days. Also if on the other end it wasnt considered anything, I am sure Mitt would be back on, give some statement or something by now. Silence is just as loud as words. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
54
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:01:00 -
[3155] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:Andski wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:As I said earlier it's all pretty simple in my opinion.
What he did would get any other player in the game a temp ban at best.
Regardless if his apology was sincere or not he needs to get banned. If the apology was sincere that doesn't take away the consquences of the action.
All being sincere should do in regards to an apology is show that you are remourseful and that you are a man who acknowledges you did something wrong. It says that you do not wish to be known as that kind of person because of a mistake you made.
The best case scenario I can see for his apology would be a little lineincy in the form of accepting his resignation from the CSM and only issuing a small temporary ban.
If CCP feels the apology was only an attempt to evade trouble then it should be a flull fledged removal from EvE. It doesn't merit removal from the council, or even a temporary ban. I realize that you're VERY UPSET about him ganking your Mackinaw but that's actually allowed, believe it or not! Stop posting before you make the rest of the Goons look like morons. Who cares about a stupid in game ship? I was obviously refering to his harrassment of the "suicidal" dude. On top of that your leader himself seems to agree with me and numerous others that at the least it deserves a removal from CSM.You can try to deny what he did and where he crossed the line all you want to. Inside though EVERYONE knows that if any other eve player short of maybe 2 or 3 others had done this very same thing they would have already been hit with the ban hammer. The CSM, however, doesn't seem to think so. And that matters how? The CSM is not above CCP and their rules. I don't care if every single active player in EvE voted to let him stay CCP should still remove him. He violated their EULA or whatever the hell you want to call it to an extreme degree. The only reason it's a conversation and not a "Bam you banned and forever forgotten" situation is b/c of his immense popularity. Hell he is probably the most famous EvE play ever, and if not he's damn close.
Oops, no he didn't. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:02:00 -
[3156] - Quote
michaelthered wrote: natural beating Whatever your parents did to you, that damaged all those poor brain cells, it wasn't natural. See, this whole thread is an uproar about how Mittens apologized for not meeting the criteria that we hold up as a SOCIETY. (Not to mention the whole terribly concocted aside that we don't hold ANY politicians or celebrities responsible for their actions, so the high horse is just plain stupid). However, in that same society, there's no such thing as "natural beating". The rest of us call it assault.
Please, go on about how nature is a friendly *****. I suggest reviewing episodes of C.O.P.S. interspersed with Marty Stouffer's Wild America. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3670
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:02:00 -
[3157] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Didn't you know that CCP takes into consideration the opinions of almost the entire playerbase?
Yeah, that's why titans got nerfed. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ashen Molotov
Plantains
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:02:00 -
[3158] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~
True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that.
I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF !
For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send?
Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:03:00 -
[3159] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Cause the other part of the passport says you are subject to laws of the lands you visit while you are there as well. This isn't hard.
Your embassy might try to get you out of it depending but 99% of the time you are under the laws of the country you are in and the USA wont help.
you are absolutely beyond stupid
lets roleplay LARP even
i'm in america, so are you.
"kill you are self", i say "that's hurtful and wrong!", you say
Question Time: Where does Swedish Law become involved in this? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3670
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:04:00 -
[3160] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that.
I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF !
For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send?
Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period.
Tell me more about how Mittens shared everyone's personal information and went on a campaign to ensure that everyone harassed this guy beyond saying this to a drunk crowd at what is basically a pre-pub crawl event "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Isaias Riorden
Internet Space Ship Game
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:04:00 -
[3161] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ Didn't you know that CCP takes into consideration the opinions of almost the entire playerbase?
Doesn't quite look like an entire playerbase. I would expect this thread to maybe contain a few hundred different accounts, many being the same people. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:05:00 -
[3162] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:[quote=Andski][
CCP will say something. Mittani will say something. A decision will be made and no one in this or any of the other threads will have anything to do with it.
dude that was never in question. The problem I and a "few" other people are having is that people, urself included it seems, think this is no big deal. I'd think this was bullshit even if i didn't know Wis. For two or three days we heard that Wis got brought up at fanfest by the goons and we had a good laugh over it cause Wis knew what it was about, when they ganked him.....so we were eager to see the video, we knew the goons were going to mock him...he knew it. Nobody had any idea that this little piece of sheise was actually asking people to email wis and tell him to "kill himself". That was completely out of left field. I was stunned when i saw the cavalier nature of that video cause Wis had done nothing to these people except be the victim of their ganking. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
54
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:05:00 -
[3163] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that. I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF ! For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send? Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period.
Point to the timestamp in the video where this happened. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
168
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:05:00 -
[3164] - Quote
What about the guy from DNSBlack who actually assaulted Mittens during the panel by throwing stuff at him? |
Tolmar
Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:06:00 -
[3165] - Quote
Are you kidding me, it is a game... This is a game where lots of things are said... First off, why would mittens be expected to believe that the guy actually was suicidal as most players will say anything to try to keep their ships or their money making locations... Second if you can not handle the way a game is set up don't play it. Personally I do not understand why he would get repercussions for this and I do not think he should resign. This is dumb and blown way out of proportion! |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:06:00 -
[3166] - Quote
Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:no it's not...at least not anymore. They just passed a new law that would "technically" allow them to prosecute an american citizen for smoking ********* in amsterdam. Whether they ever enforce that is anybody's guess but it's on the books now. Keep up with the world it's changing right infront of your face. This is coming from somebody who thinks that it's perfectly alright to assault somebody because they told you to kill yourself.
It's not assault! It's a 'natural beating'. You know, like when hamsters have babies and then eat them all. It's like .... nature, man. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1342
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:06:00 -
[3167] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that. I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF ! For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send? Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period.
Except he didn't harass anyone, nor did he divulge any personal information about the man, nor did he kill himself...
Keeping it real. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
374
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:06:00 -
[3168] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Cause the other part of the passport says you are subject to laws of the lands you visit while you are there as well. This isn't hard.
Your embassy might try to get you out of it depending but 99% of the time you are under the laws of the country you are in and the USA wont help.
you are absolutely beyond stupid lets roleplay LARP even i'm in america, so are you. "kill you are self", i say "that's hurtful and wrong!", you say Question Time: Where does Swedish Law become involved in this?
I dont know why you are asking me this, I was pointing out to someone else that you were still subject to USA laws when abroad. Someone else was talking about Swedish laws so I clarified you are also subject them them. And any laws of the country you are in the honors a US passport.
Anything else?
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:06:00 -
[3169] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:That was completely out of left field. I was stunned when i saw the cavalier nature of that video cause Wis had done nothing to these people except whine about his life problems and allude to suicide over being ganked and scammed
I fixed that least part for you hth |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3671
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:07:00 -
[3170] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:dude that was never in question. The problem I and a "few" other people are having is that people, urself included it seems, think this is no big deal. I'd think this was bullshit even if i didn't know Wis. For two or three days we heard that Wis got brought up at fanfest by the goons and we had a good laugh over it cause Wis knew what it was about, when they ganked him.....so we were eager to see the video, we knew the goons were going to mock him...he knew it. Nobody had any idea that this little piece of sheise was actually asking people to email wis and tell him to "kill himself". That was completely out of left field. I was stunned when i saw the cavalier nature of that video cause Wis had done nothing to these people except be the victim of their ganking.
so you're confirming that Wis is an emotionally unstable guy on the brink of suicide?
or are you confirming that this is a non-event that some idiots decided to blog about "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:08:00 -
[3171] - Quote
Triskian wrote:What about the guy from DNSBlack who actually assaulted Mittens during the panel by throwing stuff at him?
Got a source by any chance? It'd be interesting if that happened and everybody wasn't getting all ~internet offended~ over it... |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
69
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:08:00 -
[3172] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:[quote=Andski][
CCP will say something. Mittani will say something. A decision will be made and no one in this or any of the other threads will have anything to do with it. dude that was never in question. The problem I and a "few" other people are having is that people, urself included it seems, think this is no big deal. I'd think this was bullshit even if i didn't know Wis. For two or three days we heard that Wis got brought up at fanfest by the goons and we had a good laugh over it cause Wis knew what it was about, when they ganked him.....so we were eager to see the video, we knew the goons were going to mock him...he knew it. Nobody had any idea that this little piece of sheise was actually asking people to email wis and tell him to "kill himself". That was completely out of left field. I was stunned when i saw the cavalier nature of that video cause Wis had done nothing to these people except be the victim of their ganking.
thus started the adventure of one man to kick the asses of all the goons in bars
then after beating up mittens he will steal the dog and lovingly care for it |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:09:00 -
[3173] - Quote
~I lurv to blog, yes sireee, I'm an important internet blogger~ |
Ashen Molotov
Plantains
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:10:00 -
[3174] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that. I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF ! For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send? Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period. Point to the timestamp in the video where this happened.
It was my understanding he told everyone this guys real name and encouraged them to harrass him in and out of game. A persons name is personal information when it's involving a video game in which the only thing a person knows is your in game name.
Regardless let's agree that no personal information was given out, does that still remove all wrong doing? No it does not.
You supporters of this can kiss his ass all you want to but all it's doing is making you look like kool aid drinkers waiting for him to pass you the drink that will magicaly take you home to be with the Aliens in the sky. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1342
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:11:00 -
[3175] - Quote
I've suddenly realized, to my complete horror, that I type entirely too slowly for this thread. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
61
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:11:00 -
[3176] - Quote
Is it not funny how Mittani took his eve character, the scamming, the trolling, the griefing tool, and made his fiction character come out in real life. Is it not funny how, the great mittani, rolf, is gonna be beheaded by not some war, but by his own doing. I just find it so funny, how the players in goonswarm have worked so hard, so feverishly, to grow and become a powerhouse, only to be self destructing by their own ceo. That is hilarious. goons are just a ball of s*** rolling down a hill, some time or sooner they gonna hit, and you know what happens when a ball of **** hits the wall. lol. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
168
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:12:00 -
[3177] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Triskian wrote:What about the guy from DNSBlack who actually assaulted Mittens during the panel by throwing stuff at him? Got a source by any chance? It'd be interesting if that happened and everybody wasn't getting all ~internet offended~ over it...
Watch the presentation right before The Mittani's. The leader of Dirt Nap Squad gets up and throws 4 wadded balls of paper at Mittens implying they are magical missiles which if real would've caused him grievous bodily harm. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3671
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:12:00 -
[3178] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:It was my understanding he told everyone this guys real name and encouraged them to harrass him in and out of game. A persons name is personal information when it's involving a video game in which the only thing a person knows is your in game name.
Regardless let's agree that no personal information was given out, does that still remove all wrong doing? No it does not.
You supporters of this can kiss his ass all you want to but all it's doing is making you look like kool aid drinkers waiting for him to pass you the drink that will magicaly take you home to be with the Aliens in the sky.
So you did not watch the video in question and you're just going all "hurr goonies" over something you're absolutely clueless about
cool "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:12:00 -
[3179] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that. I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF ! For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send? Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period. Point to the timestamp in the video where this happened. It was my understanding he told everyone this guys real name and encouraged them to harrass him in and out of game. A persons name is personal information when it's involving a video game in which the only thing a person knows is your in game name. Regardless let's agree that no personal information was given out, does that still remove all wrong doing? No it does not. You supporters of this can kiss his ass all you want to but all it's doing is making you look like kool aid drinkers waiting for him to pass you the drink that will magicaly take you home to be with the Aliens in the sky.
Confirming you haven't actually watched the video. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:12:00 -
[3180] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that. I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF ! For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send? Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period. Point to the timestamp in the video where this happened. It was my understanding he told everyone this guys real name and encouraged them to harrass him in and out of game. A persons name is personal information when it's involving a video game in which the only thing a person knows is your in game name. Regardless let's agree that no personal information was given out, does that still remove all wrong doing? No it does not. You supporters of this can kiss his ass all you want to but all it's doing is making you look like kool aid drinkers waiting for him to pass you the drink that will magicaly take you home to be with the Aliens in the sky.
You're missing key info then bro. He didn't give out the guy's real name, just the in-game name of one of the guy's 23 characters. |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
211
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:12:00 -
[3181] - Quote
Mistress Lilu wrote:goons are just a ball of s*** rolling down a hill, some time or sooner they gonna hit, and you know what happens when a ball of **** hits the wall.
We move back to Syndicate? |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
374
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:13:00 -
[3182] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:I've suddenly realized, to my complete horror, that I type entirely too slowly for this thread.
Pick up the pace! Or think less about what you post.
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:13:00 -
[3183] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that. I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF ! For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send? Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period. Except he didn't harass anyone, nor did he divulge any personal information about the man, nor did he kill himself... Keeping it real.
people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it? |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:14:00 -
[3184] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:
people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it?
Cool. Evidence? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
56
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:14:00 -
[3185] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that. I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF ! For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send? Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period. Point to the timestamp in the video where this happened. It was my understanding he told everyone this guys real name and encouraged them to harrass him in and out of game. A persons name is personal information when it's involving a video game in which the only thing a person knows is your in game name. Regardless let's agree that no personal information was given out, does that still remove all wrong doing? No it does not. You supporters of this can kiss his ass all you want to but all it's doing is making you look like kool aid drinkers waiting for him to pass you the drink that will magicaly take you home to be with the Aliens in the sky.
Maybe you should check the video again then, cause he only gave out the guy's in-game name. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
375
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:14:00 -
[3186] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:
You're missing key info then bro. He didn't give out the guy's real name, just the in-game name of one of the guy's 23 characters.
Yet egged people on to harass him into killing himself for real......yeah you keep leaving that part out conveniently.
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:14:00 -
[3187] - Quote
Mistress Lilu wrote:goons are just a ball of s*** rolling down a hill, some time or sooner they gonna hit, and you know what happens when a ball of **** hits the wall.
Yeah. Delve. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3672
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:14:00 -
[3188] - Quote
I wonder what I'd do if I had 23 accounts that I play with and one of them was getting a lot of convos
hmm i think i'd tick the "block all communications" checkbox on that one account "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:14:00 -
[3189] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:[quote=Andski][
CCP will say something. Mittani will say something. A decision will be made and no one in this or any of the other threads will have anything to do with it. dude that was never in question. The problem I and a "few" other people are having is that people, urself included it seems, think this is no big deal. I'd think this was bullshit even if i didn't know Wis. For two or three days we heard that Wis got brought up at fanfest by the goons and we had a good laugh over it cause Wis knew what it was about, when they ganked him.....so we were eager to see the video, we knew the goons were going to mock him...he knew it. Nobody had any idea that this little piece of sheise was actually asking people to email wis and tell him to "kill himself". That was completely out of left field. I was stunned when i saw the cavalier nature of that video cause Wis had done nothing to these people except be the victim of their ganking.
Go punch some dude in a bar about it, toughguy. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3672
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:15:00 -
[3190] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it?
so this happened right after the presentation and not two days later when these threads went up
right? "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
56
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:15:00 -
[3191] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
I dont know why you are asking me this, I was pointing out to someone else that you were still subject to USA laws when abroad. Someone else was talking about Swedish laws so I clarified you are also subject them them. And any laws of the country you are in the honors a US passport.
Anything else?
Someone said something to the effect of how in sweden what mittens said was illegal. I said America isn't sweden. You went off about passports thai hookers, and something about ameican law applies to citizens abroad. Then you got called stupid.
RougeOperator wrote:D Derp wrote:michaelthered wrote:
ambushed? lols Just say "go kill yourself" to someones face and be prepared for adult consequences. "IF" you're not willing to say something to someones face don't say it over the internet. And don't hide behind the "it's just a game" notion. One of my corpmates is from Sweden and he stated blatantly if he made a video and posted it on the internet urging people to contact his neighbor to urge him to commit suicide, it would be jail time. This was not "fun and games" like certain people here are trying to make it out to be.
Sweden isn't america, bro. Also, nice false equivalency bro~ You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:15:00 -
[3192] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that. I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF ! For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send? Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period. Except he didn't harass anyone, nor did he divulge any personal information about the man, nor did he kill himself... Keeping it real. people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it?
Oops, The Wis is on record as saying that no one had even contacted him about it until today.
Edit: possibly yesterday. I've have to check the time stamps. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:16:00 -
[3193] - Quote
Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:dude that was never in question. The problem I and a "few" other people are having is that people, urself included it seems, think this is no big deal. I'd think this was bullshit even if i didn't know Wis. For two or three days we heard that Wis got brought up at fanfest by the goons and we had a good laugh over it cause Wis knew what it was about, when they ganked him.....so we were eager to see the video, we knew the goons were going to mock him...he knew it. Nobody had any idea that this little piece of sheise was actually asking people to email wis and tell him to "kill himself". That was completely out of left field. I was stunned when i saw the cavalier nature of that video cause Wis had done nothing to these people except be the victim of their ganking. so you're confirming that Wis is an emotionally unstable guy on the brink of suicide? or are you confirming that this is a non-event that some idiots decided to blog about
i didn't know wis at the time he wrote that email so i'm not going to comment. He is not "emotionally unstable" now but he is dealing with ALOT of personal issues. Maybe at the time when he was closer to the end of his marriage he was more unstable I don't know...moreover it doesn't matter. This was never about how close wis is or was to actually committing suicide, it wouldn't matter if Wis had never mentioned being suicidal....how do you not fkcing get that?
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Ashen Molotov
Plantains
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:17:00 -
[3194] - Quote
No they are correct I was wrong he did NOT give out the guys real name. For that I am completely wrong.
It still does not justify what he did. Even the man himself has stated what he did was completely wrong yet these people seem to think it's still ok.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
375
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:17:00 -
[3195] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:dude that was never in question. The problem I and a "few" other people are having is that people, urself included it seems, think this is no big deal. I'd think this was bullshit even if i didn't know Wis. For two or three days we heard that Wis got brought up at fanfest by the goons and we had a good laugh over it cause Wis knew what it was about, when they ganked him.....so we were eager to see the video, we knew the goons were going to mock him...he knew it. Nobody had any idea that this little piece of sheise was actually asking people to email wis and tell him to "kill himself". That was completely out of left field. I was stunned when i saw the cavalier nature of that video cause Wis had done nothing to these people except be the victim of their ganking. so you're confirming that Wis is an emotionally unstable guy on the brink of suicide? or are you confirming that this is a non-event that some idiots decided to blog about i didn't know wis at the time he wrote that email so i'm not going to comment. He is not "emotionally unstable" now but he is dealing with ALOT of personal issues. Maybe at the time when he was closer to the end of his marriage he was more unstable I don't know...moreover it doesn't matter. This was never about how close wis is or was to actually committing suicide, it wouldn't matter if Wis had never mentioned being suicidal....how do you not fkcing get that?
They get it. They are just ignoring it on purpose cause of how bad it makes them and mittens. |
Ender Karazaki
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
28
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:18:00 -
[3196] - Quote
EVE, CCP and it's community are being torn to shreds in all the game websites. We are all officially sociopaths and scumbags. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1342
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:18:00 -
[3197] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that. I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF ! For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send? Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period. Except he didn't harass anyone, nor did he divulge any personal information about the man, nor did he kill himself... Keeping it real. people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it?
Is the fact that he's still alive another inconvenient fact?
I'm surprised half of EVE hasn't EVE Mailed him by now.
Shall we assume that he has simply reported these folks so that they can be banned?
Was one of those Emails from the Mittani?
Can you provide us with a list of those names so that we can name and shame them?
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:18:00 -
[3198] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances. See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~ True enough but what happened here was way larger then just some in game harrment. Anyone should be able to understand that. I actually like Goon and think it's insanely funny how they pretty much own EvE. To this point though it's been b/c of in game stuff. What this guy did though was completely and whole heartedly over the line. He EVEN ADMITS THIS HIMSELF ! For CCP to not remove him would just be unthinkable. What kind of message does that send? Maybe I will go to Fanfest next year and harress the **** out of everyone I see, as well as share their personal information and try to talk others into doing this until the person finally just kills themself. There is absolutely no way this can be defended by anyone with half a brain. You cannot tell me what he did was 100% ok. Therefore if what he did was not 100% ok then there HAS to be some consequences, period. Except he didn't harass anyone, nor did he divulge any personal information about the man, nor did he kill himself... Keeping it real. people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it?
were they goons or stupid pubbies
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
375
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:18:00 -
[3199] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:No they are correct I was wrong he did NOT give out the guys real name. For that I am completely wrong.
It still does not justify what he did. Even the man himself has stated what he did was completely wrong yet these people seem to think it's still ok.
They are trying to change opinion so that mittens can stay on the CSM.
But this is far bigger then their silly meta game crap. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:18:00 -
[3200] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:
You're missing key info then bro. He didn't give out the guy's real name, just the in-game name of one of the guy's 23 characters.
Yet egged people on to harass him into killing himself for real......yeah you keep leaving that part out conveniently.
I fail to see how it's relevant to the conversation when I'm only pointing out that The Mittani did not, in fact, share personal information. I don't pretend to deny what Mittani said, you can go watch the video and see for yourself. But he didn't give the guy's real name and he didn't encourage real-life harassment. And as Andski pointed out, he's got 23 accounts, it's not too hard to block messages on one of them. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3672
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:19:00 -
[3201] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:i didn't know wis at the time he wrote that email so i'm not going to comment. He is not "emotionally unstable" now but he is dealing with ALOT of personal issues. Maybe at the time when he was closer to the end of his marriage he was more unstable I don't know...moreover it doesn't matter. This was never about how close wis is or was to actually committing suicide, it wouldn't matter if Wis had never mentioned being suicidal....how do you not fkcing get that?
this is coming from the tough guy that talks about ambushing goons at fanfest and brawling in bars
you're clearly the better man ;p "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:19:00 -
[3202] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:michaelthered wrote:
people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it?
Cool. Evidence?
i don't have the emails dude. It wasn't that many from what i gathered but Wis isn't talking about this anymore as per probably instructions to do so.....i'll let you figure out who's telling him not to talk anymore. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:19:00 -
[3203] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:dude that was never in question. The problem I and a "few" other people are having is that people, urself included it seems, think this is no big deal. I'd think this was bullshit even if i didn't know Wis. For two or three days we heard that Wis got brought up at fanfest by the goons and we had a good laugh over it cause Wis knew what it was about, when they ganked him.....so we were eager to see the video, we knew the goons were going to mock him...he knew it. Nobody had any idea that this little piece of sheise was actually asking people to email wis and tell him to "kill himself". That was completely out of left field. I was stunned when i saw the cavalier nature of that video cause Wis had done nothing to these people except be the victim of their ganking. so you're confirming that Wis is an emotionally unstable guy on the brink of suicide? or are you confirming that this is a non-event that some idiots decided to blog about i didn't know wis at the time he wrote that email so i'm not going to comment. He is not "emotionally unstable" now but he is dealing with ALOT of personal issues. Maybe at the time when he was closer to the end of his marriage he was more unstable I don't know...moreover it doesn't matter. This was never about how close wis is or was to actually committing suicide, it wouldn't matter if Wis had never mentioned being suicidal....how do you not fkcing get that? because it would matter if he never mentioned being suicidal, you damned nutter |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
375
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:19:00 -
[3204] - Quote
Ender Karazaki wrote:EVE, CCP and it's community are being torn to shreds in all the game websites. We are all officially sociopaths and scumbags.
Yup goons have prob now ruined the game. You tell someone you play eve now they will think you are a Goon by default. |
L00B
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
49
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:20:00 -
[3205] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:[
You supporters of this can kiss his ass all you want to but all it's doing is making you look like kool aid drinkers waiting for him to pass you the drink that will magicaly take you home to be with the Aliens in the sky.
Actually, the Heaven's Gate cult drank phenobarbital and vodka.... it was the Jonestown mass suicide that drank koolaid! :eng101:
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:20:00 -
[3206] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:michaelthered wrote:
people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it?
Cool. Evidence? i don't have the emails dude. It wasn't that many from what i gathered but Wis isn't talking about this anymore as per probably instructions to do so.....i'll let you figure out who's telling him not to talk anymore.
He was just on eve radio talking about it barely two hours ago. What other lies would you like to concoct in this thread? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
211
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:20:00 -
[3207] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:This was never about how close wis is or was to actually committing suicide, it wouldn't matter if Wis had never mentioned being suicidal....how do you not fkcing get that?
Actually it really, really does matter. Had he not bleated and whined about his personal life after getting scammed, his post-scammed evemails probably wouldn't even have been saved. They definitely wouldn't have been used in a presentation about people reacting ridiculously to being scammed/killed/whatever.
We know literally NOTHING about this guy that he didn't volunteer to us, nor do we even care to. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
55
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:20:00 -
[3208] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Andski wrote:michaelthered wrote:dude that was never in question. The problem I and a "few" other people are having is that people, urself included it seems, think this is no big deal. I'd think this was bullshit even if i didn't know Wis. For two or three days we heard that Wis got brought up at fanfest by the goons and we had a good laugh over it cause Wis knew what it was about, when they ganked him.....so we were eager to see the video, we knew the goons were going to mock him...he knew it. Nobody had any idea that this little piece of sheise was actually asking people to email wis and tell him to "kill himself". That was completely out of left field. I was stunned when i saw the cavalier nature of that video cause Wis had done nothing to these people except be the victim of their ganking. so you're confirming that Wis is an emotionally unstable guy on the brink of suicide? or are you confirming that this is a non-event that some idiots decided to blog about i didn't know wis at the time he wrote that email so i'm not going to comment. He is not "emotionally unstable" now but he is dealing with ALOT of personal issues. Maybe at the time when he was closer to the end of his marriage he was more unstable I don't know...moreover it doesn't matter. This was never about how close wis is or was to actually committing suicide, it wouldn't matter if Wis had never mentioned being suicidal....how do you not fkcing get that?
Furthermore... http://i.imgur.com/I0Ca2.gif |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
110
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:21:00 -
[3209] - Quote
Ashen Molotov wrote:No they are correct I was wrong he did NOT give out the guys real name. For that I am completely wrong.
It still does not justify what he did. Even the man himself has stated what he did was completely wrong yet these people seem to think it's still ok.
No, what we think is that Mittani spoke to the guy, sent him 10 billion isk, and everything I've heard including The Wis's own words make it sound like it's a non-issue between them. Yet people who are completely uninvolved are frothing and raging on the forums about it and absolutely nothing The Mittani, me, or any goon can do will appease them, even though they weren't personally injured, so at this point we lose nothing and gain everything (entertainment) by mocking you idiots. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:22:00 -
[3210] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ender Karazaki wrote:EVE, CCP and it's community are being torn to shreds in all the game websites. We are all officially sociopaths and scumbags. Yup goons have prob now ruined the game. You tell someone you play eve now they will think you are a Goon by default.
you're p. stupid
if you're trolling then you're stupid and a troll |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3672
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:22:00 -
[3211] - Quote
Ender Karazaki wrote:EVE, CCP and it's community are being torn to shreds in all the game websites. We are all officially sociopaths and scumbags.
yeah this game is about ponies and being nice to everyone "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:22:00 -
[3212] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
55
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:22:00 -
[3213] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ender Karazaki wrote:EVE, CCP and it's community are being torn to shreds in all the game websites. We are all officially sociopaths and scumbags. Yup goons have prob now ruined the game. You tell someone you play eve now they will think you are a Goon by default.
Luckily it is mostly Goons who bring new people into this game anyway, either directly or indirectly. So, vOv. |
Alexia Canada
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:23:00 -
[3214] - Quote
Andski wrote:Ender Karazaki wrote:EVE, CCP and it's community are being torn to shreds in all the game websites. We are all officially sociopaths and scumbags. yeah this game is about ponies and being nice to everyone
Don't let pony squad hear you say that with that tone young man. (**** ponies) |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
168
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:23:00 -
[3215] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI&t=54m0s
Please watch this, it starts right before the leader of Dirt Nap Squad physically assaults The Mittani in real life. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
55
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:23:00 -
[3216] - Quote
Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png
objection. Leading the witness. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:24:00 -
[3217] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:michaelthered wrote:
people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it?
Cool. Evidence? i don't have the emails dude. It wasn't that many from what i gathered but Wis isn't talking about this anymore as per probably instructions to do so.....i'll let you figure out who's telling him not to talk anymore. He was just on eve radio talking about it barely two hours ago. What other lies would you like to concoct in this thread?
one, he's not a complete nutbag
two, he knows the wis |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:24:00 -
[3218] - Quote
because it would matter if he never mentioned being suicidal, you damned nutter[/quote]
no it just makes what mittani did even worse. Whether someone copped to being suicidal or not you still can't get a petition drive together to get someone to off themselves. Do you process that? |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
377
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:24:00 -
[3219] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Ashen Molotov wrote:No they are correct I was wrong he did NOT give out the guys real name. For that I am completely wrong.
It still does not justify what he did. Even the man himself has stated what he did was completely wrong yet these people seem to think it's still ok.
No, what we think is that Mittani spoke to the guy, sent him 10 billion isk, and everything I've heard including The Wis's own words make it sound like it's a non-issue between them. Yet people who are completely uninvolved are frothing and raging on the forums about it and absolutely nothing The Mittani, me, or any goon can do will appease them, even though they weren't personally injured, so at this point we lose nothing and gain everything (entertainment) by mocking you idiots.
Cause its not just about what went down between them. Its about the whole even community. Mittens made it about all of use when he called for people to push someone to IRL death in a Public venue in his capacity as goon leader and CSM chairmen.
The Head honcho of players calling for another players death IS about much more then just between then two of them.
Its about an example needing to be set that says DONT EVERY TRY THIS IN THE FUTURE.
Hell The FBI might have already contacted mittens for all i know. At least for a basic statement on the incident.
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Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:25:00 -
[3220] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ender Karazaki wrote:EVE, CCP and it's community are being torn to shreds in all the game websites. We are all officially sociopaths and scumbags. Yup goons have prob now ruined the game. You tell someone you play eve now they will think you are a Goon by default.
yeah Goons are p terrible they should all be banned |
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Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:25:00 -
[3221] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png objection. Leading the witness. which part? asking about fanfest? |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:25:00 -
[3222] - Quote
Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png
i think our lawlers will beat your lawlers |
Alexia Canada
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:25:00 -
[3223] - Quote
Why does anybody give a shit anymore? |
Tolmar
Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:25:00 -
[3224] - Quote
Do all you carebears really believe everything someone tells you when you are killing them? I would never have thought of that message as anything more than someone trying to get their isk or mining area back... |
Ashen Molotov
Plantains
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:25:00 -
[3225] - Quote
You're right in that I did not lose anything but the game in general lost alot.
It pisses me off to no end that just b/c this guyhas 8 thousand people following him and 10 billion isk to throw somewhere that he can litteraly get away with anything he wants and face absolutely zero consequences for his actions.
What if I as a new player did this **** but couldn't pay off the person I offended. Guess I would just have to deal with CCP laying the ban hammer down on me b/c I didn't have thousands of players petitioning for me to be able to get away with whatever I want.
If this doesn't **** you off then you are in his pocket, period. |
Alexia Canada
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:26:00 -
[3226] - Quote
fuck ccp and their stupid fucking word filter |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1343
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:26:00 -
[3227] - Quote
michaelthered wrote: because it would matter if he never mentioned being suicidal, you damned nutter
Quote:no it just makes what mittani did even worse. Whether someone copped to being suicidal or not you still can't get a petition drive together to get someone to off themselves. Do you process that?
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:26:00 -
[3228] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png i think our lawlers will beat your lawlers Nice. Pick on spellings. lol |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
56
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:26:00 -
[3229] - Quote
Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png
A wildly edited chatlog appears! |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
56
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:28:00 -
[3230] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: Hell The FBI might have already contacted mittens for all i know. At least for a basic statement on the incident.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA |
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Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:28:00 -
[3231] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png A wildly edited chatlog appears! Photoshopped? You dont say! |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
169
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:28:00 -
[3232] - Quote
Alexia Canada wrote:**** ccp and their stupid ******* word filter
You know you can turn it off, right? This game is rated Teen, not Mature and many children both play this game and post on the forums.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3678
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:29:00 -
[3233] - Quote
we're all being trolled by this The Wis guy
"lawlers" good god "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:29:00 -
[3234] - Quote
Shodar Kel wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png i think our lawlers will beat your lawlers Nice. Pick on spellings. lol
would you rather i call you out on it being poorly edited by someone who's illiterate |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
56
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:31:00 -
[3235] - Quote
Shodar Kel wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png A wildly edited chatlog appears! Photoshopped? You dont say!
I do say, sir.
I do say. |
Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:31:00 -
[3236] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png i think our lawlers will beat your lawlers Nice. Pick on spellings. lol would you rather i call you out on it being poorly edited by someone who's illiterate Ain't mine. But trust me literacy ain't one of your strengths either. lol |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:31:00 -
[3237] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png i think our lawlers will beat your lawlers Nice. Pick on spellings. lol would you rather i call you out on it being poorly edited by someone who's illiterate
seriously that log doesnt even make any sense at all and i'm not going to spend the time picking it apart since everyone but the stupidest of stupid publords can see something's wrong |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:32:00 -
[3238] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:32:00 -
[3239] - Quote
Shodar Kel wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png i think our lawlers will beat your lawlers Nice. Pick on spellings. lol would you rather i call you out on it being poorly edited by someone who's illiterate Ain't mine. But trust me literacy ain't one of your strengths either. lol
i type like this to blend in with the eve-o crowd
as a goon i type like this so publords such as yourself may one day grow to accept me as one of your own
e; also because i want you all to have to read this garbage out of spite |
Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:33:00 -
[3240] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png A wildly edited chatlog appears! Photoshopped? You dont say! I do say, sir. I do say. Lol,okaaaay. Guess you're the expert. |
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Isaias Riorden
Internet Space Ship Game
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:34:00 -
[3241] - Quote
Shodar Kel wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png i think our lawlers will beat your lawlers Nice. Pick on spellings. lol would you rather i call you out on it being poorly edited by someone who's illiterate Ain't mine. But trust me literacy ain't one of your strengths either. lol
But it also shows that the Wis doesn't know what the hell he's talking about since the comment wasn't made as a part of the slideshow presentation. It was blurted out in the open q&a after. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1343
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:34:00 -
[3242] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there
You "do" understand what a petition drive is right? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:34:00 -
[3243] - Quote
Hai,me 2! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1344
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:35:00 -
[3244] - Quote
Shodar Kel wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png A wildly edited chatlog appears! Photoshopped? You dont say! I do say, sir. I do say. Lol,okaaaay. Guess you're the expert.
That's a reeeeeally bad Photoshop... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
65
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:35:00 -
[3245] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:[quote=Sir Marksalot]
no it just makes what mittani did even worse. Whether someone copped to being suicidal or not you still can't get a petition drive together to get someone to off themselves. Do you process that?
Do you process how f*cking stupid you look in this thread bro? |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:36:00 -
[3246] - Quote
Shodar Kel wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:http://i.imgur.com/BR83Z.png A wildly edited chatlog appears! Photoshopped? You dont say! I do say, sir. I do say. Lol,okaaaay. Guess you're the expert. I've seen quite a few shops in my time. |
Tolmar
Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:36:00 -
[3247] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there You "do" understand what a petition drive is right?
rofl you mean these aren't petitions!!!! hehehehe |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:37:00 -
[3248] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there You "do" understand what a petition drive is right?
yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear. |
Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:38:00 -
[3249] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:That's a reeeeeally bad Photoshop...
I agree. Not enough pretty colors.
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:38:00 -
[3250] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=Sir Marksalot]
no it just makes what mittani did even worse. Whether someone copped to being suicidal or not you still can't get a petition drive together to get someone to off themselves. Do you process that? Do you process how f*cking stupid you look in this thread bro?
no |
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:38:00 -
[3251] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there You "do" understand what a petition drive is right? yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear.
The more you talk the less I believe you actually watched the video in question. |
Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:39:00 -
[3252] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:I've seen quite a few shops in my time. I'm gonna call bullshit on that,sorry.
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Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
65
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:39:00 -
[3253] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there You "do" understand what a petition drive is right? yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear.
By all means point me to this part in the video you keep referring to where he says EMAIL THIS GUY AND TELL HIM TO KILL HIMSELF.
Oright
It doesn't exist.
You are an idiot.
Case closed. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
211
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:39:00 -
[3254] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear.
Not only is that not what it means (I'll give you a hint: "drive" suggests effort), but that's not even what he said so yeah, wow, you're bad at this! |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
57
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:39:00 -
[3255] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=Sir Marksalot]
no it just makes what mittani did even worse. Whether someone copped to being suicidal or not you still can't get a petition drive together to get someone to off themselves. Do you process that? Do you process how f*cking stupid you look in this thread bro? no
Christ, I can just hear the defeat in his words. Word. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1344
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:40:00 -
[3256] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there You "do" understand what a petition drive is right? yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear.
That would be called a joke when taken in context with the rest of what he had just said, so apparently it's okay to not only take the statement out of context it is now also okay to exaggerate what was said beyond all sense. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:40:00 -
[3257] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:michaelthered wrote:[quote=Sir Marksalot]
no it just makes what mittani did even worse. Whether someone copped to being suicidal or not you still can't get a petition drive together to get someone to off themselves. Do you process that? Do you process how f*cking stupid you look in this thread bro? no Christ, I can just hear the defeat in his words. Word. No. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
57
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:40:00 -
[3258] - Quote
Shodar Kel wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:I've seen quite a few shops in my time. I'm gonna call bullshit on that,sorry.
You can call it whatever you like. It's still a ****** photoshop and you're a goddamn moron if you think it's authentic. |
Tolmar
Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:40:00 -
[3259] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there You "do" understand what a petition drive is right? yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear. By all means point me to this part in the video you keep referring to where he says EMAIL THIS GUY AND TELL HIM TO KILL HIMSELF. Oright It doesn't exist. You are an idiot. Case closed.
Agreed... |
Ismol Mond
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:41:00 -
[3260] - Quote
I only read the first post but I wanted to be a part of this thread. i'm pretty sure if i did read the 160+ posts they all probably say pretty much the same thing. Thanking Mittani for his apology and reassuring him that all is forgotten and forgiven. Not wanting to throw the first stone and all that. So I concur with all of 160+ posts and am proud to have this goon fellow as our player rep.
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:41:00 -
[3261] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there You "do" understand what a petition drive is right? yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear. By all means point me to this part in the video you keep referring to where he says EMAIL THIS GUY AND TELL HIM TO KILL HIMSELF. Oright It doesn't exist. You are an idiot. Case closed.
dude it happens at 1:12....lmfao, are you serious? |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
377
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:42:00 -
[3262] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there You "do" understand what a petition drive is right? yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear. That would be called a joke when taken in context with the rest of what he had just said, so apparently it's okay to not only take the statement out of context it is now also okay to exaggerate what was said beyond all sense.
You really dont get that even if it was a joke. Internet tough guys might have acted on what he said? He was inciting violence and harassment against another person with language saying its ok to make him die.
You have a ****** taste in jokes. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:42:00 -
[3263] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:[
dude it happens at 1:12....lmfao, are you serious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE&feature=youtu.be&t=1h11m55s |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
377
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:43:00 -
[3264] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there You "do" understand what a petition drive is right? yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear. By all means point me to this part in the video you keep referring to where he says EMAIL THIS GUY AND TELL HIM TO KILL HIMSELF. Oright It doesn't exist. You are an idiot. Case closed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI
Time 01:12:00
watch it, realize you made an ass out of yourself. |
Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:43:00 -
[3265] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:You can call it whatever you like. It's still a ****** photoshop and you're a goddamn moron if you think it's authentic. Wow,okay. That puts things into perspective. Thank you for your most insightful comments.
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
57
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:45:00 -
[3266] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ascendic wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:
apparently you did cause it's there
You "do" understand what a petition drive is right? yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear. By all means point me to this part in the video you keep referring to where he says EMAIL THIS GUY AND TELL HIM TO KILL HIMSELF. Oright It doesn't exist. You are an idiot. Case closed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHITime 01:12:00 watch it, realize you made an ass out of yourself.
Holy **** you may want to re-watch the video you publord. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
68
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:46:00 -
[3267] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ascendic wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:
I heard an off the cuff, tasteless bad joke. I must have missed the petition drive...
apparently you did cause it's there You "do" understand what a petition drive is right? yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear. By all means point me to this part in the video you keep referring to where he says EMAIL THIS GUY AND TELL HIM TO KILL HIMSELF. Oright It doesn't exist. You are an idiot. Case closed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHITime 01:12:00 watch it, realize you made an ass out of yourself.
Are you guys seriously this dense?
At no point does he say email him and tell him to kill himself.
He says "If you really want this guy to kill himself his name is THE WIS." "FIND him"
Listening comprehension ftw?
Oh but what am I saying how foolish of me.
Guys like michaelthered probably only speak douchebag and HEYWANNAFIGHTABOOTIT!? |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:46:00 -
[3268] - Quote
mouthbreathers, it's the only explanation. "IF YOU WANT THIS GUY TO KILL HIMSELF, HIS NAME IS THE WIS.....THE space WIS"
direct quote from the video...he makes sure people know there's a space between "THE" and "WIS". |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:47:00 -
[3269] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
You really dont get that even if it was a joke. Internet tough guys might have acted on what he said? He was inciting violence and harassment against another person with language saying its ok to make him die.
You have a ****** taste in jokes.
You're extrapolating meaning where none exists. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:47:00 -
[3270] - Quote
Shodar Kel wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:You can call it whatever you like. It's still a ****** photoshop and you're a goddamn moron if you think it's authentic. Wow,okay. That puts things into perspective. Thank you for your most insightful comments.
You can talk about insightful comments when you submit one. |
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Shodar Kel
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:48:00 -
[3271] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Holy **** you may want to re-watch the video you publord.
Youtube,you can haz?
Kallynda Nai wrote:You can talk about insightful comments when you submit one.
Now.. Really? |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:48:00 -
[3272] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:mouthbreathers, it's the only explanation. "IF YOU WANT THIS GUY TO KILL HIMSELF, HIS NAME IS THE WIS.....THE space WIS" direct quote from the video...he makes sure people know there's a space between "THE" and "WIS".
the batshit insane redneck is calling other people mouthbreathers |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:48:00 -
[3273] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:[
Are you guys seriously this dense?
At no point does he say email him and tell him to kill himself.
He says "If you really want this guy to kill himself his name is THE WIS." "FIND him"
Listening comprehension ftw?
RIght, we're the dense ones....in no way shape or form did the text you just yourself quote in any way shape or form mean that people should email wis and tell him to kill himself. How on earth would anyone infer that from the above quote.
Do you know how stupid you come across right now? |
Saint Lazarus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
199
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:48:00 -
[3274] - Quote
Sup d00des |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:49:00 -
[3275] - Quote
Already watched the video a few times, and I watched it live on the HD stream. Still can't manage to find where he explicitly says "EMAIL THIS GUY AND TELL HIM TO KILL HIMSELF."
He gives the guy's account's name and encourages people to suicide gank him. CCP has already made it clear that suicide ganking is a part of Eve's gameplay. At no point does he encourage sending mail to The Wis nor does he endorse that type of behaviour. He simply gives the account name of The Wis. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
68
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 05:49:00 -
[3276] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:michaelthered wrote:mouthbreathers, it's the only explanation. "IF YOU WANT THIS GUY TO KILL HIMSELF, HIS NAME IS THE WIS.....THE space WIS" direct quote from the video...he makes sure people know there's a space between "THE" and "WIS". the batshit insane redneck is calling other people mouthbreathers
Oh sh!t i lol'd |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1346
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:49:00 -
[3277] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:mouthbreathers, it's the only explanation. "IF YOU WANT THIS GUY TO KILL HIMSELF, HIS NAME IS THE WIS.....THE space WIS" direct quote from the video...he makes sure people know there's a space between "THE" and "WIS".
Perhaps it was to make sure people knew they signed the right petition... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Tolmar
Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:50:00 -
[3278] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: apparently you did cause it's there
You "do" understand what a petition drive is right? yeah it's saying "hey everyone make sure you email this guy and tell him to kill himself".....lols, it wasn't meant to be taken as "literal" petition drive squarebear. That would be called a joke when taken in context with the rest of what he had just said, so apparently it's okay to not only take the statement out of context it is now also okay to exaggerate what was said beyond all sense. You really dont get that even if it was a joke. Internet tough guys might have acted on what he said? He was inciting violence and harassment against another person with language saying its ok to make him die. You have a ****** taste in jokes.
Isn't "internet tough guys" an oxymoron :P wis stated: [21:14:13] The Wis > Could have.. been a long time. Might have been when they had the safe mining offer when you guys were doing your anti ice thing.
So this was not a recent thing... and why on earth would you believe anything someone says to get you to stop killing them or blocking your cash flow spot? |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
68
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:51:00 -
[3279] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[
Are you guys seriously this dense?
At no point does he say email him and tell him to kill himself.
He says "If you really want this guy to kill himself his name is THE WIS." "FIND him"
Listening comprehension ftw? RIght, we're the dense ones....in no way shape or form did the text you just yourself quote in any way shape or form mean that people should email wis and tell him to kill himself. How on earth would anyone infer that from the above quote. Do you know how stupid you come across right now?
By that logic any time anyone says "oh hey this guy is suicidal, you should find him' that would imply emailing the guy saying 'HEY GO KILL YOURSELF'.
I can see how someone with an IQ of 'I CAN GET INTO A BAR CAN JOO?' would think that. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
57
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:52:00 -
[3280] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[
Are you guys seriously this dense?
At no point does he say email him and tell him to kill himself.
He says "If you really want this guy to kill himself his name is THE WIS." "FIND him"
Listening comprehension ftw? RIght, we're the dense ones....in no way shape or form did the text you just yourself quote in any way shape or form mean that people should email wis and tell him to kill himself. How on earth would anyone infer that from the above quote. Do you know how stupid you come across right now?
Find him in game and gank him repeatedly.
That's the sane person's take on it. You other cockblights are ******* nuts. |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:53:00 -
[3281] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Already watched the video a few times, and I watched it live on the HD stream. Still can't manage to find where he explicitly says "EMAIL THIS GUY AND TELL HIM TO KILL HIMSELF."
He gives the guy's account's name and encourages people to suicide gank him. CCP has already made it clear that suicide ganking is a part of Eve's gameplay. At no point does he encourage sending mail to The Wis nor does he endorse that type of behaviour. He simply gives the account name of The Wis.
See, that's the rule of this. If you're on the rabblerabble side of this, you can extrapolate whatever you want from it, take his words, assign your own meaning and your own intent and your own value to them. It's only when your interpretation of what he says isn't psychotic that you're some goon pet ****** doing damage control. |
Tolmar
Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:53:00 -
[3282] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:mouthbreathers, it's the only explanation. "IF YOU WANT THIS GUY TO KILL HIMSELF, HIS NAME IS THE WIS.....THE space WIS" direct quote from the video...he makes sure people know there's a space between "THE" and "WIS".
Sorry I have gills... |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
378
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:55:00 -
[3283] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[
Are you guys seriously this dense?
At no point does he say email him and tell him to kill himself.
He says "If you really want this guy to kill himself his name is THE WIS." "FIND him"
Listening comprehension ftw? RIght, we're the dense ones....in no way shape or form did the text you just yourself quote in any way shape or form mean that people should email wis and tell him to kill himself. How on earth would anyone infer that from the above quote. Do you know how stupid you come across right now? Find him in game and gank him repeatedly. That's the sane person's take on it. You other cockblights are ******* nuts.
Spend 5 min talking about how he is suicidal. Followed up but go find him and get him to kill himself.
its official you are delusional.
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:55:00 -
[3284] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:
By that logic any time anyone says "oh hey this guy is suicidal, you should find him' that would imply emailing the guy saying 'HEY GO KILL YOURSELF'. .
I give up......it's pretty blatant what's being said but obviously you have agenda here or are just pot calling kettle stupid. I call agenda cause at this point a 5 year old understands what's being conveyed. |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
32
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:55:00 -
[3285] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Find him in game and gank him repeatedly.
Does nobody understand that this is what Mittani implied? When suicide ganked, The Wis made mention of suicidal thoughts. By making said reference, although in extremely bad taste, Mittani was essentially telling people to find and gank The Wis. If he was telling people to evemail and convo spam him, he wouldnt've said "Find him", yeah? |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:56:00 -
[3286] - Quote
Dear Pubbies, why are you continuing to ignore the FACT that is supported by IRREFUTABLE PROOF that The Mittani was physically assaulted mere minutes before making his presentation during the Alliance Panel?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI&t=54m0s |
Tolmar
Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:57:00 -
[3287] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:
By that logic any time anyone says "oh hey this guy is suicidal, you should find him' that would imply emailing the guy saying 'HEY GO KILL YOURSELF'. .
I give up......it's pretty blatant what's being said but obviously you have agenda here or are just pot calling kettle stupid. I call agenda cause at this point a 5 year old understands what's being conveyed.
hmm so maybe when you come of age you will as well :)
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Tolmar
Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:58:00 -
[3288] - Quote
Triskian wrote:Dear Pubbies, why are you continuing to ignore the FACT that is supported by IRREFUTABLE PROOF that The Mittani was physically assaulted mere minutes before making his presentation during the Alliance Panel? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHI&t=54m0s
Nooo! not the missiles from Jove!
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Altimo
Clan Hyena Axiom Solaris
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 05:58:00 -
[3289] - Quote
Holy **** 164 pages, this is worse than the titan thread.
Blood Petal hit the nail on the head though, and again I repeat myself, At no point did this guy threaten/harass him outside of the game or even give his real name, He can easily request a name change and people can move on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns9oAGnK9CU this is the kind of crap that happens in eve,
Look at the things the guy says in this video, its absolutely hilarious "I'm gonna come to your house and kick your ***" RIiiight no banning happening there.
by the way that video is actually really amusing. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
70
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:00:00 -
[3290] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:
By that logic any time anyone says "oh hey this guy is suicidal, you should find him' that would imply emailing the guy saying 'HEY GO KILL YOURSELF'. .
I give up......it's pretty blatant what's being said but obviously you have agenda here or are just pot calling kettle stupid. I call agenda cause at this point a 5 year old understands what's being conveyed.
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? |
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:00:00 -
[3291] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
its official you are delusional.
pot, kettle
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:
By that logic any time anyone says "oh hey this guy is suicidal, you should find him' that would imply emailing the guy saying 'HEY GO KILL YOURSELF'. .
I give up......it's pretty blatant what's being said but obviously you have agenda here or are just pot calling kettle stupid. I call agenda cause at this point a 5 year old understands what's being conveyed.
that's not how that saying goes you backwoods hick |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1349
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:00:00 -
[3292] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Find him in game and gank him repeatedly. Does nobody understand that this is what Mittani implied? When suicide ganked, The Wis made mention of suicidal thoughts. By making said reference, although in extremely bad taste, Mittani was essentially telling people to find and gank The Wis. If he was telling people to evemail and convo spam him, he wouldnt've said "Find him", yeah?
Because that little fact, while still in bad taste, takes the whole issue back firmly where even the drunk Mittani intended it to be... namely back in game ganking someone he considered an idiot.
That doesn't fit well with the whole holy crusade schtick. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
58
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:00:00 -
[3293] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[
Are you guys seriously this dense?
At no point does he say email him and tell him to kill himself.
He says "If you really want this guy to kill himself his name is THE WIS." "FIND him"
Listening comprehension ftw? RIght, we're the dense ones....in no way shape or form did the text you just yourself quote in any way shape or form mean that people should email wis and tell him to kill himself. How on earth would anyone infer that from the above quote. Do you know how stupid you come across right now? Find him in game and gank him repeatedly. That's the sane person's take on it. You other cockblights are ******* nuts. Spend 5 min talking about how he is suicidal. Followed up but go find him and get him to kill himself. its official you are delusional.
Yeah, I'm the delusional one here.
Seriously, if you knew the first thing about goons or the Mitani, you would know that the last thing he wants is for someone to kill themselves. I mean, come on, goons need morons like you to fall for their scams. If people started offing themselves, who would be left to steal billions of isk from? |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
112
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:00:00 -
[3294] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:Lol,okaaaay. Guess you're the expert. I've seen quite a few shops in my time.
Yeah, it's a photoshop.
When you add images together in photoshop, even if they're from the same source, unless you're really, really, really good at it, under high contrast and brightness sharp lines will appear differentiating the images.
This is a normal EVE picture. http://i.imgur.com/ivcii.jpg Here it is under high contrast at a few different levels of brightness. http://imgur.com/popA5 http://imgur.com/f0UUu
Notice that the lines are fluid outside of the window breaks.
Here's the publord's chatlog under high contrast and brightness.
http://i.imgur.com/sbp9M.jpg
Look at the sharp breaks within the window itself. Oopsie. Do a better job next time. Also make it so that you and the person you're talking to don't both sound like equally ******** illiterates. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
315
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:01:00 -
[3295] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ascendic wrote: By all means point me to this part in the video you keep referring to where he says EMAIL THIS GUY AND TELL HIM TO KILL HIMSELF.
Oright
It doesn't exist.
You are an idiot.
Case closed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvo08_uYjHITime 01:12:00 watch it, realize you made an ass out of yourself.
Bending the truth is okay if it is for a good cause right?
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:02:00 -
[3296] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:[quote=RougeOperator]
backwoods hick
Hello pot?
there did that make you happy? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
215
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:03:00 -
[3297] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Hello pot?
there did that make you happy?
Change your mind about giving up? Or is this just a demonstration of how huffing gas affects shot term memory? |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
75
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:05:00 -
[3298] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Find him in game and gank him repeatedly. Does nobody understand that this is what Mittani implied? When suicide ganked, The Wis made mention of suicidal thoughts. By making said reference, although in extremely bad taste, Mittani was essentially telling people to find and gank The Wis. If he was telling people to evemail and convo spam him, he wouldnt've said "Find him", yeah? Well, it's ambiguous. "Find him" could just as easily mean to search for his character name.
Given enough time and enough people analyzing the same bit of text, you'll come up with all sorts of different "intentions" and "meanings" behind it. Just look at the Supreme Court and the Constitution, or pretty much every religious institution and their corresponding doctrine.
The one thing that was missing from his statements was any mention of the word "gank". His exact words:
Quote:Uh, incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is "The Wis". It's t-h-e space w-i-s. Not with a "z". "The Wis". He has his own corp. Find him.
It seems to me that this is an encouragement to harass The Wis. Whether via ganking or messaging is not made clear. It could be either, or both. The only person who knows for certain is the Drunk Mittani circa a few days ago, and he was killed when he sobered up the following morning. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
58
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:05:00 -
[3299] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:[quote=RougeOperator]
backwoods hick Hello pot? there did that make you happy?
It makes me happy that you don't know how to bbcode
Also, I'm still curious about what other lies you're planning on coming up with. Don't leave us in suspense. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
56
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:08:00 -
[3300] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Shodar Kel wrote:Lol,okaaaay. Guess you're the expert. I've seen quite a few shops in my time. Yeah, it's a photoshop. When you add images together in photoshop, even if they're from the same source, unless you're really, really, really good at it, under high contrast and brightness sharp lines will appear differentiating the images. This is a normal EVE picture. http://i.imgur.com/ivcii.jpgHere it is under high contrast at a few different levels of brightness. http://imgur.com/popA5http://imgur.com/f0UUuNotice that the lines are fluid outside of the window breaks. Here's the publord's chatlog under high contrast and brightness. http://i.imgur.com/sbp9M.jpgLook at the sharp breaks within the window itself. Oopsie. Do a better job next time. Also make it so that you and the person you're talking to don't both sound like equally ******** illiterates. . |
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:09:00 -
[3301] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ?
eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:11:00 -
[3302] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:michaelthered wrote:Hello pot?
there did that make you happy? Change your mind about giving up? Or is this just a demonstration of how huffing gas affects shot term memory?
I'm giving up arguing that Mittani wasn't asking people to send Wis roses and get well hallmarks. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
317
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:12:00 -
[3303] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:[Well, it's ambiguous. "Find him" could just as easily mean to search for his character name. You really really think so aren't you?
If I say I want to kill The Mittani because he ganked my hulk you mean it could easily be interpreted to meant that I want Alex Gianturco and want killed to the death and his family too.
You should really stop playing computer games.
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:12:00 -
[3304] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement.
stop with this NATURAL BAR BEATDOWN talk you inbreed
you are from the south aren't you
mississippi? alabama? arkansas? georgia? |
Saint Lazarus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
200
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:13:00 -
[3305] - Quote
I think CCP should fly to his house and $HIT on his bed tbfh |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
58
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:13:00 -
[3306] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement.
Holy ****, are you still going on about this ******** analogy? |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
215
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:14:00 -
[3307] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:If I say I want to kill The Mittani because he ganked my hulk you mean it could easily be interpreted as I want Alex Gianturco killed to the death and his family too.
You should really stop playing computer games.
Edit: you should really consider stop posting on the forums too.
Someone told me once they were going to hire mercenaries to get me do they mean blackwater he;lp I don't know what to do or how to interpret this |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
72
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:14:00 -
[3308] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement.
Is that what happens when you get caught jerking on your sisters face in your backwoods redneck bar?
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:14:00 -
[3309] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. stop with this NATURAL BAR BEATDOWN talk you inbreed you are from the south aren't you mississippi? alabama? arkansas? georgia?
basically what i'm getting at is do you own a dixie flag? |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:15:00 -
[3310] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. stop with this NATURAL BAR BEATDOWN talk you inbreed you are from the south aren't you mississippi? alabama? arkansas? georgia?
no actually not at all pube, why does it matter? and we can drop the bar scenario if you like.....do it anywhere, a mall, a car dealership. lols |
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Kehro Urgus
245
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:15:00 -
[3311] - Quote
Saint Lazarus wrote:I think CCP should fly to his house and $HIT on his bed tbfh
Meh I'm sure Star Wars bedsheets are machine washable.
You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
11
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:16:00 -
[3312] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. Is that what happens when you get caught jerking on your sisters face in your backwoods redneck bar?
thanks for demographing yourself pube. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
73
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:18:00 -
[3313] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. Is that what happens when you get caught jerking on your sisters face in your backwoods redneck bar? thanks for demographing yourself pube.
You did all the 'demographing' yourself with this 'natural beating' business |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1351
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:19:00 -
[3314] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement.
Son, if I stumble into a bar stinking drunk, point at the biggest guy in there, and announce to the crowd in a slurred voice...
"Hey, if you want this guy to commit suicide his name in a game about space ships is The Wis. T H E space W I S. Find him."
... the bar would ignore me as a drunk and the guy in question would likely suggest I call a cab to get home.
This is how the real world works most of the time, go visit it sometime. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
77
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:20:00 -
[3315] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Well, it's ambiguous. "Find him" could just as easily mean to search for his character name. If I say I want to kill The Mittani because he ganked my hulk you mean it could easily be interpreted as I want Alex Gianturco killed to the death and his family too. Well, that depends.
Firstly, since you didn't mention his family in your initial "I want to kill Mittani" statement it could not be easily interpreted as wanting his family killed...if at all.
Secondly, it's a question of context. If you were playing the game at the time, then it could be implied that you mean to "kill Mittani" in the context of the game, i.e. gank him. If you were, say, at the Starbucks around the corner from his house and you said "I want to kill Mittani" I'd wager the barista would probably call the police.
Once again, it's ambiguous. Any speculating on his intended meaning is pointless and irrelevant, because it's impossible for us to know for certain. |
Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals Late Night Alliance
146
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:20:00 -
[3316] - Quote
Burn Goonswarm http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
11
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:21:00 -
[3317] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][quote=Ascendic][
You did all the 'demographing' yourself with this 'natural beating' business
Someone does not know what demographics mean. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
73
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:22:00 -
[3318] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][quote=Ascendic][
You did all the 'demographing' yourself with this 'natural beating' business Someone does not know what demographics mean.
Someone does not know how to read f*ckin English. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
56
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:23:00 -
[3319] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][quote=Ascendic][
You did all the 'demographing' yourself with this 'natural beating' business Someone does not know what demographics mean.
Huhuhuhu, look at the pot calling the kettle stupid. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
58
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:23:00 -
[3320] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][quote=Ascendic][
You did all the 'demographing' yourself with this 'natural beating' business Someone does not know what demographics mean.
He used it in the exact way you did, you illiterate hobo. |
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:23:00 -
[3321] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. Son, if I stumble into a bar stinking drunk, point at the biggest guy in there, and announce to the crowd in a slurred voice... "Hey, if you want this guy to commit suicide his name in a game about space ships is The Wis. T H E space W I S. Find him." ... the bar would ignore me as a drunk and the guy in question would likely suggest I call a cab to get home. This is how the real world works most of the time, go visit it sometime. no look i watched roadhouse i know how bars work |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
56
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:24:00 -
[3322] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. Son, if I stumble into a bar stinking drunk, point at the biggest guy in there, and announce to the crowd in a slurred voice... "Hey, if you want this guy to commit suicide his name in a game about space ships is The Wis. T H E space W I S. Find him." ... the bar would ignore me as a drunk and the guy in question would likely suggest I call a cab to get home. This is how the real world works most of the time, go visit it sometime. no look i watched roadhouse i know how bars work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZyJCV_dyug |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:25:00 -
[3323] - Quote
Lexmana wrote: [...]I want Alex Gianturco killed to the death and his family too.[..].
WHOA DUDE.
Saying something like that can get you banned, you know? "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
11
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:27:00 -
[3324] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. Son, if I stumble into a bar stinking drunk, point at the biggest guy in there, and announce to the crowd in a slurred voice... "Hey, if you want this guy to commit suicide his name in a game about space ships is The Wis. T H E space W I S. Find him." ... the bar would ignore me as a drunk and the guy in question would likely suggest I call a cab to get home. This is how the real world works most of the time, go visit it sometime.
uhh no it doesn't unless you are utterly swaggeringly stupidly drunk and no one would even conceive what you were saying as premeditated. Which is not the case here is it?
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
11
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:29:00 -
[3325] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][quote=Ascendic][
You did all the 'demographing' yourself with this 'natural beating' business Someone does not know what demographics mean. He used it in the exact way you did, you illiterate hobo.
no actually he didn't. I'm not going to explain marketing to you so carry on. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:30:00 -
[3326] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. Son, if I stumble into a bar stinking drunk, point at the biggest guy in there, and announce to the crowd in a slurred voice... "Hey, if you want this guy to commit suicide his name in a game about space ships is The Wis. T H E space W I S. Find him." ... the bar would ignore me as a drunk and the guy in question would likely suggest I call a cab to get home. This is how the real world works most of the time, go visit it sometime. uhh no it doesn't unless you are utterly swaggeringly stupidly drunk and no one would even conceive what you were saying as premeditated. Which is not the case here is it?
I REALLY REALLY REALLY LIKED ROADHOUSE
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
59
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:31:00 -
[3327] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:michaelthered wrote:[
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. Son, if I stumble into a bar stinking drunk, point at the biggest guy in there, and announce to the crowd in a slurred voice... "Hey, if you want this guy to commit suicide his name in a game about space ships is The Wis. T H E space W I S. Find him." ... the bar would ignore me as a drunk and the guy in question would likely suggest I call a cab to get home. This is how the real world works most of the time, go visit it sometime. uhh no it doesn't unless you are utterly swaggeringly stupidly drunk and no one would even conceive what you were saying as premeditated. Which is not the case here is it? I REALLY REALLY REALLY LIKED ROADHOUSE Roadhouse was the greatest movie ever made and you know it. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
59
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:31:00 -
[3328] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:no actually he didn't. I'm not going to explain marketing to you so carry on.
:psyduck:
You literally cannot be this stupid and remember to breathe regularly. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
73
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:32:00 -
[3329] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. Son, if I stumble into a bar stinking drunk, point at the biggest guy in there, and announce to the crowd in a slurred voice... "Hey, if you want this guy to commit suicide his name in a game about space ships is The Wis. T H E space W I S. Find him." ... the bar would ignore me as a drunk and the guy in question would likely suggest I call a cab to get home. This is how the real world works most of the time, go visit it sometime. uhh no it doesn't unless you are utterly swaggeringly stupidly drunk and no one would even conceive what you were saying as premeditated. Which is not the case here is it?
Wait now.
Are you saying everything a non utterly swaggeringly stupidly drunk person does is premeditated?
When you go to said backwoods ****** bar, do you only get served juice?
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michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
11
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:32:00 -
[3330] - Quote
I REALLY REALLY REALLY LIKED ROADHOUSE [/quote]
thats sweet bro, you ever work in bar/club?
lols |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
216
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:32:00 -
[3331] - Quote
I think I found out what bar michaelthered spends his time at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZWnMzYvMgc |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1352
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:33:00 -
[3332] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement. Son, if I stumble into a bar stinking drunk, point at the biggest guy in there, and announce to the crowd in a slurred voice... "Hey, if you want this guy to commit suicide his name in a game about space ships is The Wis. T H E space W I S. Find him." ... the bar would ignore me as a drunk and the guy in question would likely suggest I call a cab to get home. This is how the real world works most of the time, go visit it sometime. uhh no it doesn't unless you are utterly swaggeringly stupidly drunk and no one would even conceive what you were saying as premeditated. Which is not the case here is it?
Actually, he WAS swaggeringly stupidly drunk, and his statement is in response to a remark from the audience. Not part of his prepared presentation. So yes, pretty much exactly the case.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
11
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:33:00 -
[3333] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:no actually he didn't. I'm not going to explain marketing to you so carry on. :psyduck: You literally cannot be this stupid and remember to breathe regularly.
not going to explain marketing concepts to you, we did not use the term similiarly |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:34:00 -
[3334] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:
eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement.
Son, if I stumble into a bar stinking drunk, point at the biggest guy in there, and announce to the crowd in a slurred voice... "Hey, if you want this guy to commit suicide his name in a game about space ships is The Wis. T H E space W I S. Find him." ... the bar would ignore me as a drunk and the guy in question would likely suggest I call a cab to get home. This is how the real world works most of the time, go visit it sometime. uhh no it doesn't unless you are utterly swaggeringly stupidly drunk and no one would even conceive what you were saying as premeditated. Which is not the case here is it? I REALLY REALLY REALLY LIKED ROADHOUSE Roadhouse was the greatest movie ever made and you know it.[/quote]
that it is
rip Patrick Swayze |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:35:00 -
[3335] - Quote
Can we take a break from talking about why pubbies are dumb and what Mittani should do and just talk about Roadhouse for a while? Because it was a pretty sweet movie.
My favorite part was when the bear fell on the fat guy. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
75
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:36:00 -
[3336] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:no actually he didn't. I'm not going to explain marketing to you so carry on. :psyduck: You literally cannot be this stupid and remember to breathe regularly. not going to explain marketing concepts to you, we did not use the term similiarly
I think this is the part where Ron White says:
YOU CANT FIX STUPID hurr hurr. |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:36:00 -
[3337] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:.
Actually, he WAS swaggeringly stupidly drunk, and his statement is in response to a remark from the audience. Not part of his prepared presentation. So yes, pretty much exactly the case.
then we saw a different video. Not going to argue he was tipsy, he was...and i'm sure later on he blacked out stupid. At the time however he was following his script. Maybe he did want people to just find wis and gank him, but he said "if you want wis to kill himself"....i mean c'mon if you find that decent than to hell with you. I don't care. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:36:00 -
[3338] - Quote
Hey Sir Marksalot, you see that new thread about the Mittani resigning? Lets talk about Roadhouse in there too. Roadhouse is such a great movie it needs more than one thread. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
75
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:37:00 -
[3339] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Can we take a break from talking about why pubbies are dumb and what Mittani should do and just talk about Roadhouse for a while? Because it was a pretty sweet movie.
My favorite part was when the bear fell on the fat guy.
I don't think I ever watched Roadhouse
I guess that means I am a pubbie now :( |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
61
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:38:00 -
[3340] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:michaelthered wrote:no actually he didn't. I'm not going to explain marketing to you so carry on. :psyduck: You literally cannot be this stupid and remember to breathe regularly. not going to explain marketing concepts to you, we did not use the term similiarly
Well thank **** for that, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. But that's par for the course for marketers, really. |
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:38:00 -
[3341] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Can we take a break from talking about why pubbies are dumb and what Mittani should do and just talk about Roadhouse for a while? Because it was a pretty sweet movie.
My favorite part was when the bear fell on the fat guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91AcS4hZekY
"It'll get worse before it gets better"
like this thread |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
75
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:39:00 -
[3342] - Quote
Kids in the hall, classic.
I was in one of Bruce's movies. Just sayin. What do i win? |
Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
34
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:39:00 -
[3343] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:At the time however he was following his script.
How could he have been following a script
If it was the audience Q/A session?
:psyduck: |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:40:00 -
[3344] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Hey Sir Marksalot, you see that new thread about the Mittani resigning? Lets talk about Roadhouse in there too. Roadhouse is such a great movie it needs more than one thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87600&find=unread
that one?
Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Can we take a break from talking about why pubbies are dumb and what Mittani should do and just talk about Roadhouse for a while? Because it was a pretty sweet movie.
My favorite part was when the bear fell on the fat guy. I don't think I ever watched Roadhouse I guess that means I am a pubbie now :(
it's a brilliant cinematic masterpiece |
michaelthered
The Logistical Nightmare
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:40:00 -
[3345] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:[
Well thank **** for that, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. But that's par for the course for marketers, really.
clearly
lols |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
61
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:41:00 -
[3346] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:michaelthered wrote:At the time however he was following his script. How could he have been following a script If it was the audience Q/A session? :psyduck:
That audience member was clearly a plant designed to ask...one of the other...panelists...****, I can't do this **** up with a straight face anymore. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:41:00 -
[3347] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:[
Well thank **** for that, because you clearly don't know what you're talking about. But that's par for the course for marketers, really. clearly lols so how long until cleetus pulls the PUPPETMASTA~ on us |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
216
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:42:00 -
[3348] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:Kids in the hall, classic.
I was in one of Bruce's movies. Just sayin. What do i win?
What gift could we give you greater than getting to be in one of Bruce's movies?
Seriously though you owe it to yourself to watch Roadhouse. If you have even basic cable it'll be on once a month at least, probably right after The Hunt for Red October |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1353
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:43:00 -
[3349] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:.
Actually, he WAS swaggeringly stupidly drunk, and his statement is in response to a remark from the audience. Not part of his prepared presentation. So yes, pretty much exactly the case.
then we saw a different video. Not going to argue he was tipsy, he was...and i'm sure later on he blacked out stupid. At the time however he was following his script. Maybe he did want people to just find wis and gank him, but he said "if you want wis to kill himself"....i mean c'mon if you find that decent than to hell with you. I don't care.
How can responding to a remark from the audience be "part of his script"? His script ended before the question and answer period began.
I never said what he said was decent, it was foolish. It was also not a serious attempt to get a man to commit suicide by "finding him" in a video game.
If you can't grasp that, then to hell with you. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:44:00 -
[3350] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Can we take a break from talking about why pubbies are dumb and what Mittani should do and just talk about Roadhouse for a while? Because it was a pretty sweet movie.
My favorite part was when the bear fell on the fat guy. I don't think I ever watched Roadhouse I guess that means I am a pubbie now :(
There comes a time when every man realizes he has been a pubbie.
And then he watches Roadhouse.
And then he chills out a bit and stops being a pubbie.
Part of the journey towards true internet awesomeness is realizing you CAN change yourself - and watch Roadhouse. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1355
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:45:00 -
[3351] - Quote
This thread is now about Road House, or MST3k, take your pick. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
79
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:46:00 -
[3352] - Quote
I can see the most epic resolution to this situation.
CCP posts HTFU video.
The end. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
118
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:46:00 -
[3353] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Hey Sir Marksalot, you see that new thread about the Mittani resigning? Lets talk about Roadhouse in there too. Roadhouse is such a great movie it needs more than one thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87600&find=unreadthat one? Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Can we take a break from talking about why pubbies are dumb and what Mittani should do and just talk about Roadhouse for a while? Because it was a pretty sweet movie.
My favorite part was when the bear fell on the fat guy. I don't think I ever watched Roadhouse I guess that means I am a pubbie now :( it's a brilliant cinematic masterpiece
It's poetry for the eyes; a song for the soul. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
216
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:46:00 -
[3354] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:This thread is now about Road House, or MST3k, take your pick.
How about MST3K watching Roadhouse? |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
79
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:46:00 -
[3355] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Can we take a break from talking about why pubbies are dumb and what Mittani should do and just talk about Roadhouse for a while? Because it was a pretty sweet movie.
My favorite part was when the bear fell on the fat guy. I don't think I ever watched Roadhouse I guess that means I am a pubbie now :( There comes a time when every man realizes he has been a pubbie. And then he watches Roadhouse. And then he chills out a bit and stops being a pubbie. Part of the journey towards true internet awesomeness is realizing you CAN change yourself - and watch Roadhouse.
Thank you kind sir for showing me the error of my ways. I will commence watching post haste! |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
61
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:46:00 -
[3356] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:This thread is now about Road House, or MST3k, take your pick.
Cave Dwellers is the best MST3K episode. Discuss. |
Msgerbs
Aliastra Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:47:00 -
[3357] - Quote
Inc spike wrote:I actually just LOST respect for you posting this apology. You know damn well you don't mean it, and anyone who can't handle some "cyber bullying" doesn't need to be playing EVE.
We all know this is political ass kissing for CCP and Mittani, to reduce backlash from media.
I mean, WTF happened to the CCP motto of "Harden the *uck Up" You're trolling... right?
Venus Vermillion wrote:Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. He's waiting for you to resign first, D3. You're the one who actually violated the rules, he just did something he feels bad about... he admits it... but you... Nah, Mittens only broke the law and common human decency, nothing wrong with that. That's not nearly as bad as leaking a little information about a game. Down with Darius! |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
59
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:48:00 -
[3358] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:This thread is now about Road House, or MST3k, take your pick. Cave Dwellers is the best MST3K episode. Discuss.
Nope.avi. That honour belongs to episode 517 - Outlaw of Gor. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
29
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:48:00 -
[3359] - Quote
This STILL going on?
I could sail to Iceland on the ocean of your TEARS!
Mittens stuffed up, he apologized.
Move on unless you always want to be treated by the same uber important Internet spaceships standards.
Or don't. Either way I'm good. |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:49:00 -
[3360] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:michaelthered wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:.
Actually, he WAS swaggeringly stupidly drunk, and his statement is in response to a remark from the audience. Not part of his prepared presentation. So yes, pretty much exactly the case.
then we saw a different video. Not going to argue he was tipsy, he was...and i'm sure later on he blacked out stupid. At the time however he was following his script. Maybe he did want people to just find wis and gank him, but he said "if you want wis to kill himself"....i mean c'mon if you find that decent than to hell with you. I don't care. How can responding to a remark from the audience be "part of his script"? His script ended before the question and answer period began. I never said what he said was decent, it was foolish. It was also not a serious attempt to get a man to commit suicide by "finding him" in a video game. If you can't grasp that, then to hell with you.
No way bro this was all planned at the BBQ |
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Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
79
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:51:00 -
[3361] - Quote
Welp,
It appears the thread train is slowing down for the evening. With that the most epic post of the thread award goes to:
the batshit insane redneck is calling other people mouthbreathers
Sir Marksalot wrote: Welp,
It appears the thread train is slowing down for the evening. With that the most epic post of the thread award goes to:
the batshit insane redneck is calling other people mouthbreathers
|
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:52:00 -
[3362] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:This thread is now about Road House, or MST3k, take your pick. Cave Dwellers is the best MST3K episode. Discuss. Nope.avi. That honour belongs to episode 517 - Outlaw of Gor.
Wrong, Manos The Hands of Fate is the best episode. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:54:00 -
[3363] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:Welp, It appears the thread train is slowing down for the evening. With that the most epic post of the thread award goes to: Sir Marksalot wrote: the batshit insane redneck is calling other people mouthbreathers
thank you all, this is an hono(u?)r
honoursnype~ |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
59
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:55:00 -
[3364] - Quote
Triskian wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:This thread is now about Road House, or MST3k, take your pick. Cave Dwellers is the best MST3K episode. Discuss. Nope.avi. That honour belongs to episode 517 - Outlaw of Gor. Wrong, Manos The Hands of Fate is the best episode.
Manos was pretty good, but awfully painful. Outlaw is just funny without so much deep hurting. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
61
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 06:57:00 -
[3365] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:This thread is now about Road House, or MST3k, take your pick. Cave Dwellers is the best MST3K episode. Discuss. Nope.avi. That honour belongs to episode 517 - Outlaw of Gor.
I... I don't think I've seen that one. I wonder if it's on netflix. |
Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
119
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:00:00 -
[3366] - Quote
Mittens, at least be honest.
The fact that you trolled someone that is suicidal is still funny to you IRL, whether you are drunk or not. The fact that you expressed this in public is what you are regretting.
What I think is annoying is the PC reaction of people who call this "disgraceful", likely the same very people who were laughing alongside you.
Bottom line is that people can be ******* disgusting sometimes, its when we spend time denying it and not being honest with ourselves it becomes stupid.
Apologizing for hurting someone is one thing, one can regret that. But I think that 10 times out of 10, you would do the same thing again, and if you're changing your behavior because of people seeing it, I think you're being a tool.
Stand by your actions, "Chairman", be better than most democrat politicians, don't deny what you really think.
Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.-á Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
99
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:01:00 -
[3367] - Quote
If anybody wants to walk, do it now. "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:01:00 -
[3368] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Can we take a break from talking about why pubbies are dumb and what Mittani should do and just talk about Roadhouse for a while? Because it was a pretty sweet movie.
My favorite part was when the bear fell on the fat guy. I don't think I ever watched Roadhouse I guess that means I am a pubbie now :( There comes a time when every man realizes he has been a pubbie. And then he watches Roadhouse. And then he chills out a bit and stops being a pubbie. Part of the journey towards true internet awesomeness is realizing you CAN change yourself - and watch Roadhouse. Thank you kind sir for showing me the error of my ways. I will commence watching post haste!
If this was a RL support group we'd hug right now, but it's not, it's online, so here's some +rep. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
83
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:03:00 -
[3369] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Can we take a break from talking about why pubbies are dumb and what Mittani should do and just talk about Roadhouse for a while? Because it was a pretty sweet movie.
My favorite part was when the bear fell on the fat guy. I don't think I ever watched Roadhouse I guess that means I am a pubbie now :( There comes a time when every man realizes he has been a pubbie. And then he watches Roadhouse. And then he chills out a bit and stops being a pubbie. Part of the journey towards true internet awesomeness is realizing you CAN change yourself - and watch Roadhouse. Thank you kind sir for showing me the error of my ways. I will commence watching post haste! If this was a RL support group we'd hug right now, but it's not, it's online, so here's some +rep.
I repped you back. That doesn't make us gay now right?
|
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:04:00 -
[3370] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
If this was a RL support group we'd hug right now, but it's not, it's online, so here's some +rep.
I repped you back. That doesn't make us gay now right?
No, it doesn't. What comes later will make us gay, if you know what I mean.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
216
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:06:00 -
[3371] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
If this was a RL support group we'd hug right now, but it's not, it's online, so here's some +rep.
I repped you back. That doesn't make us gay now right? No, it doesn't. What comes later will make us gay, if you know what I mean.
He means you're going to watch Roadhouse and touch tips fyi |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
171
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:06:00 -
[3372] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Triskian wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:This thread is now about Road House, or MST3k, take your pick. Cave Dwellers is the best MST3K episode. Discuss. Nope.avi. That honour belongs to episode 517 - Outlaw of Gor. Wrong, Manos The Hands of Fate is the best episode. Manos was pretty good, but awfully painful. Outlaw is just funny without so much deep hurting.
Did you know that a goon found a near-mint condition 16mm workprint and is releasing it on Blu-Ray? You'd be surprised how different Manos is when you aren't watching a ****** copy of a ****** copy. |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
85
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:06:00 -
[3373] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
If this was a RL support group we'd hug right now, but it's not, it's online, so here's some +rep.
I repped you back. That doesn't make us gay now right? No, it doesn't. What comes later will make us gay, if you know what I mean.
I think I am on top of that one if you know what I mean. |
Isaias Riorden
Internet Space Ship Game
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:08:00 -
[3374] - Quote
michaelthered wrote:Ascendic wrote:[quote=michaelthered][
Are you going to 'real life consequence' me with a 'natural beating' ? eve players are generally of the older type so i'm assuming you can walk into a bar this weekend.....tell someone they should kill themselves. Than tell the whole bar to tell that person he should kill himself. And don't pick some ***** that's gonna walk out of the bar, pick one of the jamoke's....then see your natural beating. That was my point. I'm not tellin anyone i'm gonna fight them that's ******** over the internet....i'm just sayin that in the real world words have consequences that alot of you have forgotten because you're behind a PC screen in ur parents basement.
Actually, I think there's a rule at my bar, that if they don't commit suicide, the instigator has to buy the next round. It all works out well enough. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
60
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:08:00 -
[3375] - Quote
Triskian wrote:Did you know that a goon found a near-mint condition 16mm workprint and is releasing it on Blu-Ray? You'd be surprised how different Manos is when you aren't watching a ****** copy of a ****** copy.
Yes I did! And i look forward to seeing it! |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
127
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:09:00 -
[3376] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Ascendic wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
If this was a RL support group we'd hug right now, but it's not, it's online, so here's some +rep.
I repped you back. That doesn't make us gay now right? No, it doesn't. What comes later will make us gay, if you know what I mean. I think I am on top of that one if you know what I mean.
I'm counting on it. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:09:00 -
[3377] - Quote
Triskian wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Triskian wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:
Cave Dwellers is the best MST3K episode. Discuss.
Nope.avi. That honour belongs to episode 517 - Outlaw of Gor. Wrong, Manos The Hands of Fate is the best episode. Manos was pretty good, but awfully painful. Outlaw is just funny without so much deep hurting. Did you know that a goon found a near-mint condition 16mm workprint and is releasing it on Blu-Ray? You'd be surprised how different Manos is when you aren't watching a ****** copy of a ****** copy.
Oh god yes, there even was a kickstarter. Check it out: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1325482813/manos-the-restoration "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
171
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:13:00 -
[3378] - Quote
I started following that when it was just a wee little thread on SA.
Unfortunately I missed the kickstarter and you have just reminded me to email him to offer a bag of cash. |
GatoOFruits
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:15:00 -
[3379] - Quote
Derrick Munroe wrote:michaelthered wrote:
people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it?
Cool. Evidence?
Apparently this is not an evidence based thread |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:19:00 -
[3380] - Quote
GatoOFruits wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:michaelthered wrote:
people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it?
Cool. Evidence? Apparently this is not an evidence based thread
stop derailing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laSOB7d2m-Y&feature=related - some cool scenes |
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Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:20:00 -
[3381] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:GatoOFruits wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:michaelthered wrote:
people did email wis doing exactly what mittens told them to do. That's an inconvenient fact isn't it?
Cool. Evidence? Apparently this is not an evidence based thread stop derailing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laSOB7d2m-Y&feature=related - some cool scenes
Thanks for these, I was just thinking how awesome it would be to watch some Roadhouse! |
Isaias Riorden
Internet Space Ship Game
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:24:00 -
[3382] - Quote
Roadhouse was so much better than that crappy "Tom Cruise works in a bar movie" that came out the year before. |
Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
598
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:28:00 -
[3383] - Quote
Do not fall for his serenading apologetic letter to garner vindication of his misconduct and emotional appeal to redeem himself from the "scandal" he has caused.
It has been CLEAR EVER SINCE THE BEGINNING that he never had an ounce of doubt about his misconduct during the Fanfest 2012. He stood firm and resolute in the rightfulness of inciting thousands of players to provoke a mentally unstable player to commit suicide.
These are the responses from Mittani the Great after his misconduct and prior to this debacle and public outcry:
"You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything."
"~10,058~"
He even lies to all of us by telling us that he never incited the players to send mails to provoke him to commit suicide when there is a video that clearly shows that he is delusional and a liar: "Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for. "
Him justifying his misconduct by telling all of us that what he did abides by the spirit of EVE Online: "Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself."
Since the beginning, he has seen no error in him inciting thousands of EVE players to provoke an unfortunate guy to commit suicide. He willingly, knowingly, and deliberately showed misconduct because he sincerely believes that there is nothing wrong with doing so. His responses explain his thoughts.
Do not fall for his "apologies." He only wrote this AFTER he got stream of news media covering his misconducts. He was scared of losing the chairmanship, his account, and his leadership over Goons.
Mittani the Great needs to resign from CSM Committee AND CSM Chairmanship. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
220
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:30:00 -
[3384] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Mittani the Great needs to resign from CSM Committee AND CSM Chairmanship.
I'm sorry I'm not seeing what any of this has to do with Roadhouse. Mods? |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:31:00 -
[3385] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
Road House is a 1989 action film partially based on the life of Norman "Storm" Cantwell, directed by Rowdy Herrington and starring Patrick Swayze as a bouncer at a newly-refurbished roadside bar who protects a small town in Missouri from a corrupt businessman. Sam Elliot also plays a bouncer, the mentor, friend and foil of Swayze's character. The cast also includes Kelly Lynch as Swayze's love interest, and Ben Gazzara as the main antagonist. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:31:00 -
[3386] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Mittani the Great needs to resign from CSM Committee AND CSM Chairmanship. I'm sorry I'm not seeing what any of this has to do with Roadhouse. Mods?
I bet the dude doesn't even like Roadhouse. That's the worst sort of person. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:31:00 -
[3387] - Quote
"You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything."
True statement.
"Also, I didn't suggest that people evemail the guy. I suggested that they run locator agents on him and blow up his Mackinaws - which is exactly what locators are for. "
True statement.
"Crying about people being drunk and partying at Fanfest is like crying about suicide ganking and nonconsensual PvP in the client itself."
If you disagree you haven't heard anything about Fanfest.
What do you think about Roadhouse? "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:31:00 -
[3388] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:If anybody wants to walk, do it now.
Thank the man before you go.
If you use GD as your EVE pressure guage, Mittani solved Incursions, inflation, stopped a Titan nerf and fixed ECM all for the bargain basement rate of 10 Billion and a drunken comment.
Give the man a fuken medal. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
171
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:32:00 -
[3389] - Quote
I would still bone Kelly Lynch even though she's like 100 now. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
128
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:33:00 -
[3390] - Quote
Who the **** doesn't like Roadhouse? |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
220
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:33:00 -
[3391] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Mittani the Great needs to resign from CSM Committee AND CSM Chairmanship. I'm sorry I'm not seeing what any of this has to do with Roadhouse. Mods? I bet the dude doesn't even like Roadhouse. That's the worst sort of person.
It's probably bias against Patrick Swayze
This just in: Heimatar Auctioneer is glad people with cancer die! PERMABAN ITS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAL THIS COMMUNITY |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:33:00 -
[3392] - Quote
Riddick Liddell wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:If anybody wants to walk, do it now. Thank the man before you go. If you use GD as your EVE pressure guage, Mittani solved Incursions, inflation, stopped a Titan nerf and fixed ECM all for the bargain basement rate of 10 Billion and a drunken comment. Give the man a fuken medal.
He's also the sort of dude you could have a beer with while watching Roadhouse. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
60
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:34:00 -
[3393] - Quote
Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:
The town in which the film is set is a fictional community "outside of Kansas City" called "Jasper", and as Dalton drives into town, the "Welcome to Jasper" sign is visible. There actually is a Jasper, Missouri, south of Kansas City, and it has numerous rivers running near it (as seen throughout the movie). The movie also alludes to "calling a friend in the FBI in Springfield". Springfield, MO, is just over an hour away from Jasper. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:35:00 -
[3394] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Riddick Liddell wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:If anybody wants to walk, do it now. Thank the man before you go. If you use GD as your EVE pressure guage, Mittani solved Incursions, inflation, stopped a Titan nerf and fixed ECM all for the bargain basement rate of 10 Billion and a drunken comment. Give the man a fuken medal. He's also the sort of dude you could have a beer with while watching Roadhouse.
But I bet he doesn't look this good without a shirt on!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E4GEUkgq1U |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
652
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:35:00 -
[3395] - Quote
What I don't understand is how does someone go from sympathetic when someone in goons commits suicide Alex treats it with human decency and even dedicating one of his Sins of a Solar Spymaster , but when it comes to someone not in goons/test he openly embrace the idea of players taking action to cause someone to commit suicide.
I wonder what would RoyofCA think of you right now. When he committed suicide did you tell goons ~deal with it~??
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
384
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:37:00 -
[3396] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:What I don't understand is how does someone go from sympathetic when someone in goons commits suicide Alex treats it with human decency and even dedicating one of his Sins of a Solar Spymaster , but when it comes to someone not in goons/test he openly embrace the idea of players taking action to cause someone to commit suicide. I wonder what would RoyofCA think of you right now. When he committed suicide did you tell goons ~deal with it~??
Its called double standards and cult mentality. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
172
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:38:00 -
[3397] - Quote
RoyofCA would probably think "I should watch Roadhouse." |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:38:00 -
[3398] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:What I don't understand is how does someone go from sympathetic when someone in goons commits suicide Alex treats it with human decency and even dedicating one of his Sins of a Solar Spymaster , but when it comes to someone not in goons/test he openly embrace the idea of players taking action to cause someone to commit suicide. I wonder what would RoyofCA think of you right now. When he committed suicide did you tell goons ~deal with it~??
http://i.imgur.com/X61Z7.jpg |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:39:00 -
[3399] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:What I don't understand is how does someone go from sympathetic when someone in goons commits suicide Alex treats it with human decency and even dedicating one of his Sins of a Solar Spymaster , but when it comes to someone not in goons/test he openly embrace the idea of players taking action to cause someone to commit suicide. I wonder what would RoyofCA think of you right now. When he committed suicide did you tell goons ~deal with it~?? Its called double standards and cult mentality.
oh youre back, what do you think of royofca's mspaint and roadhouse? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:39:00 -
[3400] - Quote
All you gingers need to stop shitting up this Roadhouse thread.
The car the Dalton buys at the used car dealership was a 1965 Buick Riviera - the only year that Buick used the "clamshell" headlight covers for the Riviera. The other car that he drives near the beginning of the movie before picking up his Mercedes Benz & leaving for Missouri is a 1964 Buick Riviera. |
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:41:00 -
[3401] - Quote
there was also a grave memorial put together for him that i'm not posting here because you're awful pubbies, google it yourself
note that Roy actually committed suicide, rather than whine when he lost his miner. so thanks for trying to manipulate his death to make a point about a videogame! |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
223
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:41:00 -
[3402] - Quote
Triskian wrote:RoyofCA would probably think "I should watch Roadhouse."
Legend has it he couldn't find his Roadhouse DVD so he went for a drive instead |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:42:00 -
[3403] - Quote
sorry for the derail, have a classic roadhouse scene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQYwp7Ss-MM |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:42:00 -
[3404] - Quote
CCP need to stop reading these amusing threads, act like a real company and make some actual decisions.
I wish mittens no harm, but this whole sorry saga runs the risk of doing the game we all play, long term damage in terms of its credibility.
Roadhouse - am I just in the wrong age group?
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:43:00 -
[3405] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:there was also a grave memorial put together for him that i'm not posting here because you're awful pubbies, google it yourself
note that Roy actually committed suicide, rather than whine when he lost his miner. so thanks for trying to manipulate his death to make a point about a videogame!
Also he likely loved Roadhouse. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:45:00 -
[3406] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:CCP need to stop reading these amusing threads, act like a real company and make some actual decisions.
I wish mittens no harm, but this whole sorry saga runs the risk of doing the game we all play, long term damage in terms of its credibility.
Roadhouse - am I just in the wrong age group?
Roadhouse is rated R.
Edit: R for Roadhouse. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
130
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:48:00 -
[3407] - Quote
Triskian wrote:RoyofCA would probably think "I should watch Roadhouse."
I think next time I watch Roadhouse I'll open a beer and put it on the table in front of an empty space on my couch, because I think the best way to remember Roy is by watching Roadhouse with him in spirit.
I think he would've liked that. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:49:00 -
[3408] - Quote
Uk here. R means adult rating?
Lol wish I was young enough to need to know about movie ratings.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:50:00 -
[3409] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Triskian wrote:RoyofCA would probably think "I should watch Roadhouse." I think next time I watch Roadhouse I'll open a beer and put it on the table in front of an empty space on my couch, because I think the best way to remember Roy is by watching Roadhouse with him in spirit. I think he would've liked that.
Naw man, Roy would have loved that. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
66
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:51:00 -
[3410] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Uk here. R means adult rating?
Lol wish I was young enough to need to know about movie ratings.
R means 17+ with adult supervision. I'm sorry you aren't old enough to watch movies yet, or even care about seeing them. |
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 07:52:00 -
[3411] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Uk here. R means adult rating?
Lol wish I was young enough to need to know about movie ratings.
R means 17+ with adult supervision. I'm sorry you aren't old enough to watch movies yet, or even care about seeing them.
Witty
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 07:53:00 -
[3412] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:the whole incident is just profit for ccp. The headlines brought tons of exposure that advertising wouldnt have. not to mention it paints eve as a brutal place, and thats exactly what attracted me to the game in the first place.
Not empty quoting.
Quoting fot thruth and to remind some hypocrites(07NC.,o7 RDN,o7 Brick Squad) what makes this game so unique. (Pr0 tip:its not your Erebuses and fact that you and only you can fit Gyros on them) |
Kin Dahl
Last Exit.
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:01:00 -
[3413] - Quote
Bullshit.
In this era of people going nuts, and taking a gun to their school, work, public place, and shooting people and then comiting suicide due to RL bullying.
Threats and bullying today is not tolerated.
The Mittani should be banned from Eve and kicked off the CSM by CCP. Your actions and behavior at Fanfest are disgusting and CCP should make an example of you.
Edit. Just scrolled down and supposedly you stepped down. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
67
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:04:00 -
[3414] - Quote
Kin Dahl wrote:Bullshit.
In this era of people going nuts, and taking a gun to their school, work, public place, and shooting people and then comiting suicide due to RL bullying.
Threats and bullying today is not tolerated.
The Mittani should be banned from Eve and kicked off the CSM by CCP. Your actions and behavior at Fanfest are disgusting and CCP should make an example of you.
Tell us how you feel about Roadhouse. This is what is really important here.
Did you know...
The book Dalton is reading is Jim Harrison's "Legends of the Fall". |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:07:00 -
[3415] - Quote
Kin Dahl wrote:Bullshit.
In this era of people going nuts, and taking a gun to their school, work, public place, and shooting people and then comiting suicide due to RL bullying.
Threats and bullying today is not tolerated.
The Mittani should be banned from Eve and kicked off the CSM by CCP. Your actions and behavior at Fanfest are disgusting and CCP should make an example of you.
I think he should be judged on his actions, not made an example of. Technically as a member of the CSM he failed to "carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow."
Anything more than being kicked off the CSM would be unjust, even if this has now got most of the MMO media and now some mainstream media involved. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:09:00 -
[3416] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: I think he should be judged on his actions, not made an example of. Technically as a member of the CSM he failed to "carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow."
Anything more than being kicked off the CSM would be unjust, even if this has now got most of the MMO media and now some mainstream media involved.
I bet Jack Dalton would deal out some justice on The Mittani |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
69
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:11:00 -
[3417] - Quote
Please don't delete the Roadhouse posts CCP Guard! They are the only good posts in this thread! |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:12:00 -
[3418] - Quote
Keep posting guys, youre only 20 pages behind space barbies. |
Captain Trousers
Thunderwaffles Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:12:00 -
[3419] - Quote
**** or get off the pot! |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
77
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:13:00 -
[3420] - Quote
If Mittans was really serious about his apology he would order his plebbies to stop trolling the posts relating to his out of game harrassment Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
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Isaias Riorden
Internet Space Ship Game
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:17:00 -
[3421] - Quote
What the hell is a "plebbie?" Is that like, a patron in a bar? A "Roadhouse," if you will? |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
54
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:18:00 -
[3422] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Please don't delete the Roadhouse posts CCP Guard! They are the only good posts in this thread! It's good to see the time honored classic of fill the thread full of non related crap so people stop posting, is still around. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:18:00 -
[3423] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:If Mittans was really serious about his apology he would order his plebbies to stop trolling the posts relating to his out of game harrassment Assuming that Mittani (no Mittans,either Mittani or Mittens) can really order this makes you look even dumber than you are
There is no known way to stop a goon from posting.
Also, there is no way to stop me from watching Roadhouse this weekend. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
133
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:19:00 -
[3424] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Please don't delete the Roadhouse posts CCP Guard! They are the only good posts in this thread! It's good to see the time honored classic of fill the thread full of non related crap so people stop posting, is still around.
Don't call Roadhouse crap. It's a great movie. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3689
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:19:00 -
[3425] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Please don't delete the Roadhouse posts CCP Guard! They are the only good posts in this thread! It's good to see the time honored classic of fill the thread full of non related crap so people stop posting, is still around.
Roadhouse is a time honoured classic as well. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
71
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:20:00 -
[3426] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Please don't delete the Roadhouse posts CCP Guard! They are the only good posts in this thread! It's good to see the time honored classic of fill the thread full of non related crap so people stop posting, is still around.
Hey man, don't be mad cause Issler chose a Goon over you. There are plenty of other middle aged bored women out there for you. |
Isaias Riorden
Internet Space Ship Game
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:20:00 -
[3427] - Quote
I mean, it's not even a real word. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
172
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:21:00 -
[3428] - Quote
So two guys walk into a roadhouse...
And Patrick Swayze kicks the **** out of them. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:23:00 -
[3429] - Quote
Trying to stop a goon from posting is like trying to stop Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse - it never ends well and sometimes people get hurt |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
78
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:23:00 -
[3430] - Quote
Well if mittans resigned without being pushed we would all forget about this straight away, but if he is just hanging on and waiting to see what mittans does then these threads will run forever.
He does control you so stop pretending. id love to see slag off your master and not fin yourself in a NPC before you knew it
Enjoy Plebbies Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
614
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:26:00 -
[3431] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2o9rrMhNLY
Roadhouse. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
172
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:27:00 -
[3432] - Quote
Please stop derailing this thread about Roadhouse. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
614
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:27:00 -
[3433] - Quote
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Well if mittans resigned without being pushed we would all forget about this straight away, but if he is just hanging on and waiting to see what mittans does then these threads will run forever.
He does control you so stop pretending. id love to see slag off your master and not fin yourself in a NPC before you knew it
Enjoy Plebbies Oh, and if you wanna know why Mittens hasn't stepped down yet, ask the rest of the CSM. He gave them the decision.
Also. Roadhouse! Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
71
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:27:00 -
[3434] - Quote
Ashley, you are a very obvious troll.
Did you know...
Dalton is seen doing Tai chi at one point, although he uses western boxing and mixed martial arts in all the fight scenes. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
965
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:27:00 -
[3435] - Quote
I'm not a goon but I like forum games. It's funny and some times can be a lot more dynamic than the game it self. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
185
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:28:00 -
[3436] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Trying to stop a goon from posting is like trying to stop Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse - it never ends well and sometimes people get hurt
I heard there was posting going on here. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:29:00 -
[3437] - Quote
Ivana Twinkle wrote:Snow Axe wrote:Trying to stop a goon from posting is like trying to stop Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse - it never ends well and sometimes people get hurt I heard there was posting going on here.
Posting AND Roadhouse. 2 for 1! |
Glarealot
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
23
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:31:00 -
[3438] - Quote
He's stepped down. He's gone. Quit talking about him. :-P Like the queen of spoons he is nothing more than an amusing memory of a CSM joke that was.
Lets focus on our new chairman and get EVE to where it needs to be :) |
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:32:00 -
[3439] - Quote
Glarealot wrote:He's stepped down. He's gone. Quit talking about him. :-P Like the queen of spoons he is nothing more than an amusing memory of a CSM joke that was.
Lets focus on our new chairman and get EVE to where it needs to be :)
This ^
The deed is done, he apologized, he stepped down, he's giving the guy money... lets just forget about it, give him a funny nickname and move on. How CCP reacts to the Mittani comments at fanfest will show whether they condone this behavior or not. If they do nothing, then obviously pushing for real world violence and death is an acceptable gameplay tactic to them and will open a whole new venue of strategy for us, the gamers. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:35:00 -
[3440] - Quote
Oh look 2 posts not about Roadhouse and they're npc alts. Shocked! |
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
172
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:36:00 -
[3441] - Quote
Not to mention they're misinformed as Mittens hasn't stepped down yet, he's too busy watching Roadhouse. |
Pip x2
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:37:00 -
[3442] - Quote
I'm just going to leave this here |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
80
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:37:00 -
[3443] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:Glarealot wrote:He's stepped down. He's gone. Quit talking about him. :-P Like the queen of spoons he is nothing more than an amusing memory of a CSM joke that was.
Lets focus on our new chairman and get EVE to where it needs to be :) This ^ The deed is done, he apologized, he stepped down, he's giving the guy money... lets just forget about it, give him a funny nickname and move on.
DO you have an CCP link showing that he has gone. otherwise new threads will continue forever
Sorry Plebbies and alt plebbies there will be a lot of hard work ahead of you trying to shut down the debate Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Ganagati
Perkone Caldari State
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:37:00 -
[3444] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:Glarealot wrote:He's stepped down. He's gone. Quit talking about him. :-P Like the queen of spoons he is nothing more than an amusing memory of a CSM joke that was.
Lets focus on our new chairman and get EVE to where it needs to be :) This ^ The deed is done, he apologized, he stepped down, he's giving the guy money... lets just forget about it, give him a funny nickname and move on.
His nickname should involve something to do with Roadhouse Proof Titans are rare (just another null battle): http://i.imgur.com/CY6x4.jpg-áBattles in EVE can look kinda silly sometimes, huh? |
Molly Argonaut
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:42:00 -
[3445] - Quote
(16:58:16) [email protected]/directorbot: I go away for a week and this happens? Get your asses in that fleet. When I land in an hour, we're getting back to business. Expect a fight, RDN is buttmad.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
Chiken run? .... |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:44:00 -
[3446] - Quote
Molly Argonaut wrote:(16:58:16) [email protected]/directorbot: I go away for a week and this happens? Get your asses in that fleet. When I land in an hour, we're getting back to business. Expect a fight, RDN is buttmad. *** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** Chiken run? .... i would call you a spy and tell you to get out but you dont seem to understand the words you just posted
godspeed gentle spy |
Ganagati
Perkone Caldari State
84
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 08:48:00 -
[3447] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:Molly Argonaut wrote:(16:58:16) [email protected]/directorbot: I go away for a week and this happens? Get your asses in that fleet. When I land in an hour, we're getting back to business. Expect a fight, RDN is buttmad. *** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** Chiken run? .... i would call you a spy and tell you to get out but you dont seem to understand the words you just posted godspeed gentle spy
You call them a spy like it's a bad thing... don't forget who your director is. Proof Titans are rare (just another null battle): http://i.imgur.com/CY6x4.jpg-áBattles in EVE can look kinda silly sometimes, huh? |
xanaxred
Black Moon Citadel The House Of Cards.
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:01:00 -
[3448] - Quote
Bump |
C Genix
Alphane Research Co-operative
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:04:00 -
[3449] - Quote
G thanks, would have missed this thread otherwise |
NimBetu Cayal
The Vorlon Empire
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:04:00 -
[3450] - Quote
Thanks for the Apology.
Now only thing you have to do is resign from CSM. |
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
172
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:39:00 -
[3451] - Quote
NimBetu Cayal wrote:Thanks for the Apology.
Now only thing you have to do is watch Roadhouse.
Fixed your post. |
Damion Rayne
Dark-Rising
58
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:41:00 -
[3452] - Quote
Apology Accepted. Now Resign, like the man you say you are. You crossed a line that demands punishment, and apologies aside, your punishment is loosing any sort of position on the CSM. Now don't get me wrong, I am proud of you for doing what you've done so far, but the man you say you are will go the full mile.
Now while you're at it, work on removing those Goons of yours that make real like threats of violence and black mail against Eve Players. -DR Teamwork.. Maturity.. Tactics.. www.tacticalgamer.com |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
135
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:42:00 -
[3453] - Quote
It's 5:30am, I've been stuck at work for 20 hours, and there're a million places I'd rather be.
Like at home.
Watching Roadhouse. |
Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
32
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:44:00 -
[3454] - Quote
The more I read about this 'incident' the more convinced I am that The Mittani is doing something right for this game. The amount of butthurt evident can not be wrong. Keep up the good work. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
190
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:45:00 -
[3455] - Quote
I can haz Roadhouse?
wait... wtf just happened? "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
91
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:46:00 -
[3456] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Maverick Gauss wrote:I am fairly new to Eve, so new that this years fanfest was the first I watched. And the appearance on the Alliance panel was the first I saw of The Mittani. But I take your word that he is a great enrichment to this community.
About his appology for his missdoings I'm sceptic. True he was drunk during the panel. But I don't think he was drunk when his corpmember told him the story about this miner. He probably wasn't drunk when he made the power point presentation and I don't believe he was drunk when he intentionally made the decission to mock this player in front of tousands of people.
I see that some may say that his good deeds outweight this one mistake, but this is the price for his fame. Him stepping down as CSM Chairman would be the absolute least to do. Giving all his ISK to the victim, fair enough. Harassing The Mittani even after he takes this actions, too much and also a bit hippocratic.
Yours sincerly Mav, I applaud you speaking your mind as a new player, but there is something you need to understand. Nobody cares about any of the things you mentioned... not the slide, not laughing publicly at the guy, none of that. Yes, we do.
Most of the EVE gaming community actually cares deeply. The OTHER 290k accounts care. My guess is there is actually more players of EVE who care than there are those who do not.
Yes, this is, unfortunately, currently "business as usual" in EVE. But it should not be. Eight years ago it wasn't. Even five years ago it was usual for people to feel at least a bit silly if not ashamed if they clearly overstepped the lines and made other players seriously uncomfortable. It is just the Goonfleet and friends purposeful, deliberate destruction of the community and flaming / spamming / trolling everyone who cares into disgusted silence on the forums, that has changed our community standards from "it's just a game, I'm sorry it upsets you, I have nothing against you personally" to "lololololol it is just a game pubbie tears sweet bloobloobloo lol noob I love you crying."
The difference should be obvious to anyone who has been here long enough.
And I for one think it's way beyond time we went back to the actual sportsmanship, instead of pretending that sportsmanship is about ridiculing those who are already upset about losing.
Copy sent to Maverick via evemail, as I suspect he is not reading the thread anymore. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
136
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:47:00 -
[3457] - Quote
What is with this "apology accepted", you random nobodys?
Who offended you and who apologized to you ?
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
173
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:49:00 -
[3458] - Quote
Can you people please stop derailing this thread about Patrick Swayze's amazing movie: Roadhouse? |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:49:00 -
[3459] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:What is with this "apology accepted", you random nobodys?
Who offended you and who apologized to you ?
I don't know man, there're a bunch of jackasses that keep posting off-topic in our Roadhouse thread and frankly I'm getting fed up. Patrick Swayze wouldn't have put up with this crap, and I won't either.
If you don't like talking about Roadhouse, you should go make a thread somewhere else or stop talking about stuff entirely. This is a Roadhouse thread and a POSITIVE Roadhouse thread so Roadhouse haters need not post. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:51:00 -
[3460] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Yes, this is, unfortunately, currently "business as usual" in EVE. But it should not be. Eight years ago it wasn't. Even five years ago it was usual for people to feel at least a bit silly if not ashamed if they clearly overstepped the lines and made other players seriously uncomfortable.
Ahaha did you ever meet Band of Brothers? |
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
132
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:53:00 -
[3461] - Quote
Sportsmanship? In my EVE? Patrick Swayze wants a word with you.
It's about Roadhouse. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:56:00 -
[3462] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:What is with this "apology accepted", you random nobodys?
Who offended you and who apologized to you ?
Much like those saying, "Resignation is the only acceptable outcome." Acceptable to their Titan-owning, Roadhouse-hating selves maybe. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
174
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 09:59:00 -
[3463] - Quote
When learning how to roundhouse kick like Patrick Swayze so he too could be cool, Chuck Norris watched Roadhouse. |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
138
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:01:00 -
[3464] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:What is with this "apology accepted", you random nobodys?
Who offended you and who apologized to you ?
Much like those saying, "Resignation is the only acceptable outcome." Acceptable to their Titan-owning, Roadhouse-hating selves maybe.
I'm pretty sure watching Roadhouse is the only acceptable outcome. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
231
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:03:00 -
[3465] - Quote
Patrick Swayze didn't need Titans to control his space. He just needed sheer force of will and lots of kicks and punches. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
393
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:05:00 -
[3466] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Maverick Gauss wrote:I am fairly new to Eve, so new that this years fanfest was the first I watched. And the appearance on the Alliance panel was the first I saw of The Mittani. But I take your word that he is a great enrichment to this community.
About his appology for his missdoings I'm sceptic. True he was drunk during the panel. But I don't think he was drunk when his corpmember told him the story about this miner. He probably wasn't drunk when he made the power point presentation and I don't believe he was drunk when he intentionally made the decission to mock this player in front of tousands of people.
I see that some may say that his good deeds outweight this one mistake, but this is the price for his fame. Him stepping down as CSM Chairman would be the absolute least to do. Giving all his ISK to the victim, fair enough. Harassing The Mittani even after he takes this actions, too much and also a bit hippocratic.
Yours sincerly Mav, I applaud you speaking your mind as a new player, but there is something you need to understand. Nobody cares about any of the things you mentioned... not the slide, not laughing publicly at the guy, none of that. Yes, we do. Most of the EVE gaming community actually cares deeply. The OTHER 290k accounts care. My guess is there is actually more players of EVE who care than there are those who do not. Yes, this is, unfortunately, currently "business as usual" in EVE. But it should not be. Eight years ago it wasn't. Even five years ago it was usual for people to feel at least a bit silly if not ashamed if they clearly overstepped the lines and made other players seriously uncomfortable. It is just the Goonfleet and friends purposeful, deliberate destruction of the community and flaming / spamming / trolling everyone who cares into disgusted silence on the forums, that has changed our community standards from "it's just a game, I'm sorry it upsets you, I have nothing against you personally" to "lololololol it is just a game pubbie tears sweet bloobloobloo lol noob I love you crying." The difference should be obvious to anyone who has been here long enough. And I for one think it's way beyond time we went back to the actual sportsmanship, instead of pretending that sportsmanship is about ridiculing those who are already upset about losing. Copy sent to Maverick via evemail, as I suspect he is not reading the thread anymore.
I think this incident might be a watershed for CCP to really stare rethinking HTFU mentality.
I cant imagine this mentality will translate well into WOD where they are going to be courting more female players.
Or dust 514 where they will pick up more casual and younger players.
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
174
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:14:00 -
[3467] - Quote
Maybe you'd think differently if you STOPPED DERAILING THIS THREAD and watched Roadhouse, a movie 100% guaranteed to make you HTFU. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
134
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:16:00 -
[3468] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Maverick Gauss wrote:I am fairly new to Eve, so new that this years fanfest was the first I watched. And the appearance on the Alliance panel was the first I saw of The Mittani. But I take your word that he is a great enrichment to this community.
About his appology for his missdoings I'm sceptic. True he was drunk during the panel. But I don't think he was drunk when his corpmember told him the story about this miner. He probably wasn't drunk when he made the power point presentation and I don't believe he was drunk when he intentionally made the decission to mock this player in front of tousands of people.
I see that some may say that his good deeds outweight this one mistake, but this is the price for his fame. Him stepping down as CSM Chairman would be the absolute least to do. Giving all his ISK to the victim, fair enough. Harassing The Mittani even after he takes this actions, too much and also a bit hippocratic.
Yours sincerly Mav, I applaud you speaking your mind as a new player, but there is something you need to understand. Nobody cares about any of the things you mentioned... not the slide, not laughing publicly at the guy, none of that. Yes, we do. Most of the EVE gaming community actually cares deeply. The OTHER 290k accounts care. My guess is there is actually more players of EVE who care than there are those who do not. Yes, this is, unfortunately, currently "business as usual" in EVE. But it should not be. Eight years ago it wasn't. Even five years ago it was usual for people to feel at least a bit silly if not ashamed if they clearly overstepped the lines and made other players seriously uncomfortable. It is just the Goonfleet and friends purposeful, deliberate destruction of the community and flaming / spamming / trolling everyone who cares into disgusted silence on the forums, that has changed our community standards from "it's just a game, I'm sorry it upsets you, I have nothing against you personally" to "lololololol it is just a game pubbie tears sweet bloobloobloo lol noob I love you crying." The difference should be obvious to anyone who has been here long enough. And I for one think it's way beyond time we went back to the actual sportsmanship, instead of pretending that sportsmanship is about ridiculing those who are already upset about losing. Copy sent to Maverick via evemail, as I suspect he is not reading the thread anymore. I think this incident might be a watershed for CCP to really stare rethinking HTFU mentality. I cant imagine this mentality will translate well into WOD where they are going to be courting more female players. Or dust 514 where they will pick up more casual and younger players.
Reality check: WOD is going to be an M rated game with permadeath as a possible outcome of pvp. HTFU was written across the board. CCP does not cater to casuals in their mission statement. You're trying too hard to read between nonexistant lines; you're also not posting about Roadhouse. Get out. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
103
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:19:00 -
[3469] - Quote
WoD will have sparkly Vampires that live in the sun. How dare you ruin that for me. "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
103
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:21:00 -
[3470] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Yeah, it's a photoshop. When you add images together in photoshop, even if they're from the same source, unless you're really, really, really good at it, under high contrast and brightness sharp lines will appear differentiating the images. This is a normal EVE picture. http://i.imgur.com/ivcii.jpgHere it is under high contrast at a few different levels of brightness. http://imgur.com/popA5http://imgur.com/f0UUuNotice that the lines are fluid outside of the window breaks. Here's the publord's chatlog under high contrast and brightness. http://i.imgur.com/sbp9M.jpgLook at the sharp breaks within the window itself. Oopsie. Do a better job next time. Also make it so that you and the person you're talking to don't both sound like equally ******** illiterates.
Oh you Geeeewns!
First off,that snippet was taken with Hyperdesktop which uploads really low quality images. Plus I play with really low settings on my stupid computer. So comparing hires images to the low res is stupid.
Secondly,if you want to check for doctoring of images,youd normally check the threshold levels. Not contrast/brightness/saturation which you did there.
But go ahead and put this image http://i.imgur.com/CXEde.jpg through your failsafe method.
These are the two combined http://i.imgur.com/7F2kz.jpg
After threshold. http://i.imgur.com/dfWbk.jpg
Check the artifacts between the texts. If I did modify anything it would show up. I'm a freelance 3D artist by profession,so I know PS at some level.
Also,considering the quality of your corp posting on here,I don't think you're in any position to judge my literacy or lack of it.
Keep failing spectacularly,mate. Thats why we secretly love you!
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1597
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:22:00 -
[3471] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Maverick Gauss wrote:I am fairly new to Eve, so new that this years fanfest was the first I watched. And the appearance on the Alliance panel was the first I saw of The Mittani. But I take your word that he is a great enrichment to this community.
About his appology for his missdoings I'm sceptic. True he was drunk during the panel. But I don't think he was drunk when his corpmember told him the story about this miner. He probably wasn't drunk when he made the power point presentation and I don't believe he was drunk when he intentionally made the decission to mock this player in front of tousands of people.
I see that some may say that his good deeds outweight this one mistake, but this is the price for his fame. Him stepping down as CSM Chairman would be the absolute least to do. Giving all his ISK to the victim, fair enough. Harassing The Mittani even after he takes this actions, too much and also a bit hippocratic.
Yours sincerly Mav, I applaud you speaking your mind as a new player, but there is something you need to understand. Nobody cares about any of the things you mentioned... not the slide, not laughing publicly at the guy, none of that. Yes, we do. Most of the EVE gaming community actually cares deeply. The OTHER 290k accounts care. My guess is there is actually more players of EVE who care than there are those who do not. Yes, this is, unfortunately, currently "business as usual" in EVE. But it should not be. Eight years ago it wasn't. Even five years ago it was usual for people to feel at least a bit silly if not ashamed if they clearly overstepped the lines and made other players seriously uncomfortable. It is just the Goonfleet and friends purposeful, deliberate destruction of the community and flaming / spamming / trolling everyone who cares into disgusted silence on the forums, that has changed our community standards from "it's just a game, I'm sorry it upsets you, I have nothing against you personally" to "lololololol it is just a game pubbie tears sweet bloobloobloo lol noob I love you crying." The difference should be obvious to anyone who has been here long enough. And I for one think it's way beyond time we went back to the actual sportsmanship, instead of pretending that sportsmanship is about ridiculing those who are already upset about losing. Copy sent to Maverick via evemail, as I suspect he is not reading the thread anymore.
I agree with Elsebeth completely on this point and I think you are being deeply dishonest with the response you gave to that new player Ranger 1.
The situation you describe is the outlook of SA forums and an alien culture that has sought to impose itself on the community of eve online. But its a tiny fraction of the player base regardless of how much noise it makes during these threads on the forums. Most players are not Goons, don't think like goons, and don't act like goons. Despite the way the game has been portrayed by Alexander Gianturco's behaviour at Fanfest the game has not been culturally colonized to the exclusion of all else by this kind of brash sexist, hateful I guess you could say Aris Bakhtanians style outlook.
And more to the point I think that was the precise point CCP themselves were trying to make all the way through the Fanfest presentations. "We play the game hard and ruthlessly but face to face as people we're lovely!" I mean jesus christ, you could practically read that script on the teleprompters for their anchor team.
Its a good line. It harnesses the "core gaming" experience stuff their marketing VP was on about, it differentiates the game from other "soft core" theme park MMOs while still reaching out for subscribers who might have previously been put off by all the horrible behaviour and casual bullying that goes on amongst certain sections of the community.
We blow each others ships to hell every night, but there isn't a call to send people to harress a guy into suicide after you ruin his barge business. I mean how complicated is this stuff really?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Khersei
Deimos Delivery Co
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:25:00 -
[3472] - Quote
So you are saying in a game whose primary target audience will be emo goth types it will be ok to hound people using bullying and metagaming.
if thats the case then WOD is a lawsuit waiting to happen. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
174
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:25:00 -
[3473] - Quote
None of those pictures are of Patrick Swayze or screenshots from Roadhouse, you make me wish negrepping was possible. |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
22
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:29:00 -
[3474] - Quote
People should stop ultra-trolling this thread, desperately trying to de-rail it. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:31:00 -
[3475] - Quote
Sunviking wrote:People should stop ultra-trolling this thread, desperately trying to de-rail it.
I hope you mean the anti-Roadhouse crowd who are busy dishonoUring the mighty Patrick Swayze?? |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
174
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:34:00 -
[3476] - Quote
Sunviking wrote:People should stop ultra-trolling this thread, desperately trying to de-rail it.
I agree, the anti-roadhouse crowd needs to get the **** out. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
103
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:44:00 -
[3477] - Quote
Actually since I missed the snipe I want to change the quote:
GÇ£This place has a sign hanginGÇÖ over the urinal that says, GÇ£DonGÇÖt eat the big white mintGÇ¥." "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
178
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:44:00 -
[3478] - Quote
Posting |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:44:00 -
[3479] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Sunviking wrote:People should stop ultra-trolling this thread, desperately trying to de-rail it. I hope you mean the anti-Roadhouse crowd who are busy dishonoUring the mighty Patrick Swayze??
No, I was clearly referring to you lot. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
174
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:44:00 -
[3480] - Quote
NOOOO, CCP YOU RUINED IT, THE MOMENT WAS THERE AND YOU JUST HAD TO **** UP MY SNIPE.
Patrick Swayze is rolling in his grave because of this affrontery. |
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Michael Turate
The Scope Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:44:00 -
[3481] - Quote
As a man who has made some terrible mistakes when drunk and (mostly) been forgiven and gone on to be a fair and productive member of society, I'd like to see the community stop behaving like a playground lynch mob. Mob mentality is an ugly thing that rarely drives any worthwhile agenda and more often than not simply serves as an excuse for people to excercise the ugly and aggresive parts of their personality without having to be accountable.
CCP is probably feeling aggrieved right now that something they set up with very fine intentions as a benefit for the player base and an important point of contact with their customers has gone so badly teats up.
It's not your fault guys but from now on it probably makes sense to party behind closed doors and get the stuff done that involves the worlds media squared away before the booze starts flowing.
If an event acts as a window into your organisation, you have to have a measure of control over the people that are participating. Mittani may have been representing the playerbase but the outside world will also see him and his companions as representing the company and the game.
I don't want to see the fun sucked out of the world, part of what is great about CCP is that you are not like an ordinary company but more like an extension of the playerbase - FACILITATORS OF THE EXPERIENCE if you like, but the modern world is a judgemental and vindictive creature that is intollerant of that which does not confirm to the norm.
Keep it clean until you want to party, then make sure the doors are closed and the cameras are off. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:45:00 -
[3482] - Quote
Not empty quoting. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:45:00 -
[3483] - Quote
Triskian wrote:NOOOO, CCP YOU RUINED IT, THE MOMENT WAS THERE AND YOU JUST HAD TO **** UP MY SNIPE.
Patrick Swayze is rolling in his grave because of this affrontery.
I ******* SAVED IT "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:45:00 -
[3484] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:Next thing you are telling me is that Donnie Darko isn't a good movie. No it wasn't. Not when you compare it to the sheer awesome that was Johnny Mnemonic. That had a cyber-dolphin hacker. All Donnie Darko had was an imaginary murderous rabbit. Doesn't even come close.
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Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:46:00 -
[3485] - Quote
Johnny Mnemonic was ****.
Donnie Darko > Roadhouse > Point Break > Johnny Mnemonic
"My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
231
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:46:00 -
[3486] - Quote
Vladimir Norkoff wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:Next thing you are telling me is that Donnie Darko isn't a good movie. No it wasn't. Not when you compare it to the sheer awesome that was Johnny Mnemonic. That had a cyber-dolphin hacker. All Donnie Darko had was an imaginary murderous rabbit. Doesn't even come close.
I vehemently disagree with your anti-Swayze rhetoric, but your pro-movie-that-has-Henry-Rollins in it rhetoric almost makes up for that |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1600
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:48:00 -
[3487] - Quote
Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:49:00 -
[3488] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:Johnny Mnemonic was ****.
Donnie Darko > Roadhouse > Point Break > Johnny Mnemonic
I hope you mean it was "the ****". And your graph clearly runs from left to right in increasing order of Awesome. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:51:00 -
[3489] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
Thank god i leaked that to you :)
ROADHOUSE RULEZ "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:52:00 -
[3490] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
Disgusting. absolutely speechless. |
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Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:53:00 -
[3491] - Quote
Skogen Gump wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** Disgusting. absolutely speechless.
You realize that that is not real, right? Even if the 92AM didn't tip you off, you can't be that ******** :D "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
231
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:53:00 -
[3492] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote: Thank god i leaked that to you :)
ROADHOUSE RULEZ
Doctor Eezee more like Doctor Awesome. Dalton would be so proud of you! |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
174
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:54:00 -
[3493] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/byq1r.jpg
LOOK AT WHAT YOU STOLE FROM PATRICK SWAYZE AND I, CCP! You should be ashamed, I demand compensation for this insult. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
107
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:55:00 -
[3494] - Quote
Is that windows 98? |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
178
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:56:00 -
[3495] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
Would you like a screenshot of who's on Jabber right now? it aint the_mittani |
Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:58:00 -
[3496] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
Sigh, and the ******* publords reign. |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:58:00 -
[3497] - Quote
Triskian wrote:http://i.imgur.com/byq1r.jpg
LOOK AT WHAT YOU STOLE FROM PATRICK SWAYZE AND I, CCP! You should be ashamed, I demand compensation for this insult. It's because God hates Patrick Swayze and all who support him. That is why the Almighty struck him down.
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Vorlain
Viziam Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:58:00 -
[3498] - Quote
it sure as **** doesn't help him having goon's carry on like that... absolute disgrace... |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:59:00 -
[3499] - Quote
Michael Turate wrote:As a man who has made some terrible mistakes when drunk and (mostly) been forgiven and gone on to be a fair and productive member of society, I'd like to see the community stop behaving like a playground lynch mob. Mob mentality is an ugly thing that rarely drives any worthwhile agenda and more often than not simply serves as an excuse for people to excercise the ugly and aggresive parts of their personality without having to be accountable.
CCP is probably feeling aggrieved right now that something they set up with very fine intentions as a benefit for the player base and an important point of contact with their customers has gone so badly teats up.
It's not your fault guys but from now on it probably makes sense to party behind closed doors and get the stuff done that involves the worlds media squared away before the booze starts flowing.
If an event acts as a window into your organisation, you have to have a measure of control over the people that are participating. Mittani may have been representing the playerbase but the outside world will also see him and his companions as representing the company and the game.
I don't want to see the fun sucked out of the world, part of what is great about CCP is that you are not like an ordinary company but more like an extension of the playerbase - FACILITATORS OF THE EXPERIENCE if you like, but the modern world is a judgemental and vindictive creature that is intollerant of that which does not confirm to the norm.
Keep it clean until you want to party, then make sure the doors are closed and the cameras are off.
Never stop quoting? Never stop quoting.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
231
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:59:00 -
[3500] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Is that windows 98?
Looks like Windows 7 with the Classic skin |
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Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 10:59:00 -
[3501] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/iGzlu.png
I heard faking stuff is cool, but this is totally real and exactly what that guy wrote.
Donnie Darko quote: We gotta find ourselves a Smurfette. "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
174
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:00:00 -
[3502] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
Your shift key appears to be broken, probably because you aren't watching Roadhouse. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:00:00 -
[3503] - Quote
Vorlain wrote:it sure as **** doesn't help him having goon's carry on like that... absolute disgrace...
Thank god he's not responsible for my actions then ^^ "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:00:00 -
[3504] - Quote
Vorlain wrote:it sure as **** doesn't help him having goon's carry on like that... absolute disgrace...
The Mittani told me to post in this thread and then kill myself, true story.
He also regularly posts on jabber so all our spies can leak it to these forums
tl;dr, a box of rocks is more intelligent than your Patrick Swayze disrespecting self |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
107
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:01:00 -
[3505] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Is that windows 98? Looks like Windows 7 with the Classic skin Ah okay.
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
63
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:01:00 -
[3506] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** Sigh, and the ******* publords reign. I love how any view expressed not pro-mittens is expressed by a pub lord but their views and attempts to derail threads are good and productive. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
123
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:03:00 -
[3507] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: I agree with Elsebeth completely on this point and I think you are being deeply dishonest with the response you gave to that new player Ranger 1.
The situation you describe is the outlook of SA forums and an alien culture that has sought to impose itself on the community of eve online. But its a tiny fraction of the player base regardless of how much noise it makes during these threads on the forums. Most players are not Goons, don't think like goons, and don't act like goons. Despite the way the game has been portrayed by Alexander Gianturco's behaviour at Fanfest the game has not been culturally colonized to the exclusion of all else by this kind of brash sexist, hateful I guess you could say Aris Bakhtanians style outlook.
And more to the point I think that was the precise point CCP themselves were trying to make all the way through the Fanfest presentations. "We play the game hard and ruthlessly but face to face as people we're lovely!" I mean jesus christ, you could practically read that script on the teleprompters for their anchor team.
Its a good line. It harnesses the "core gaming" experience stuff their marketing VP was on about, it differentiates the game from other "soft core" theme park MMOs while still reaching out for subscribers who might have previously been put off by all the horrible behaviour and casual bullying that goes on amongst certain sections of the community.
We blow each others ships to hell every night, but there isn't a call to send people to harress a guy into suicide after you ruin his barge business. I mean how complicated is this stuff really?
Hi Jade, me again. Your massive posts full of words in this thread have on average 1 more like per post than mine which are mostly calling people out on their stupidity. Please explain how this qualifies you to speak "for the people" (without using the words "because goons"). |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:03:00 -
[3508] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:If Mittans was really serious about his apology he would order his plebbies to stop trolling the posts relating to his out of game harrassment Assuming that Mittani (no Mittans,either Mittani or Mittens) can really order this makes you look even dumber than you are
Well they thought he could order someones death, surely he can order people to stop posting. Or not.
I've never seen roadhouse, is it any good?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1600
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:03:00 -
[3509] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** Sigh, and the ******* publords reign.
Though I have to confess the term makes me smile every time I hear it I should point out to you goons that "publord" is not much of an insult against people from the UK
To be a "publord" suggests to me a particularly respected and/or powerful publican with an excellent establishment that punters considers themselves priviledged to partake of. To explain to our colonial cousins the quirk of language that means the insult doesn't translate too well across the atlantic ... in our country a tavern or bar is generally called a "pub" a landlord or barkeep might be called a "publican" hence a "publord" suggests a rather excellent publican with reason to be proud of his drinking domain.
This public service announcement part of the trolling ProTip series "you're doing it wrong" from Jade Constantine.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
107
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:03:00 -
[3510] - Quote
Hide yo' posts.. They deleting er'ryone out ere... |
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Sheela Mystics
Biotronics Inc. The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:05:00 -
[3511] - Quote
In my opinion you should resign. Some things shouldn't be said in such position. I even don't forgive politicans who apologies after they realize that their words created anger.
I really hope the same rules count in EVE. |
Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
89
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:05:00 -
[3512] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Orkasm wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** Sigh, and the ******* publords reign. I love how any view expressed not pro-mittens is expressed by a pub lord but their views and attempts to derail threads are good and productive.
Actually its more the fake broadcast he wrote to attempt to further discredit mittens. This is no longer a 'oh no CSM char said something bad' its back to 'What can we do to get him off the CSM, even though he's the beat thing to happen to it since it started' |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
178
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:05:00 -
[3513] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Orkasm wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** Sigh, and the ******* publords reign. Though I have to confess the term makes me smile every time I hear it I should point out to you goons that "publord" is not much of an insult against people from the UK To be a "publord" suggests to me a particularly respected and/or powerful publican with an excellent establishment that punters considers themselves priviledged to partake of. To explain to our colonial cousins the quirk of language that means the insult doesn't translate too well across the atlantic ... in our country a tavern or bar is generally called a "pub" a landlord or barkeep might be called a "publican" hence a "publord" suggests a rather excellent publican with reason to be proud of his drinking domain. This public service announcement part of the trolling ProTip series "you're doing it wrong" from Jade Constantine.
IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE WORDS HAVE DIFFERENT MEANINGS AIIGHT? NOW WHERE THE WHITE WIMMIN AT |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:06:00 -
[3514] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Orkasm wrote:
Sigh, and the ******* publords reign.
Though I have to confess the term makes me smile every time I hear it I should point out to you goons that "publord" is not much of an insult against people from the UK To be a "publord" suggests to me a particularly respected and/or powerful publican with an excellent establishment that punters considers themselves priviledged to partake of. To explain to our colonial cousins the quirk of language that means the insult doesn't translate too well across the atlantic ... in our country a tavern or bar is generally called a "pub" a landlord or barkeep might be called a "publican" hence a "publord" suggests a rather excellent publican with reason to be proud of his drinking domain. This public service announcement part of the trolling ProTip series "you're doing it wrong" from Jade Constantine.
Eh, publord to me more suggests one of the pubco holding companies. Which are all terrible. :death2allpubcos: |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:06:00 -
[3515] - Quote
Sheela Mystics wrote:In my opinion you should resign. Some things shouldn't be said in such position. I even don't forgive politicans who apologies after they realize that their words created anger.
I really hope the same rules count in EVE.
So you want to let good politicians go, because they said something stupid once. Now I realize why American politics is so ****** up. "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1601
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:07:00 -
[3516] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: I agree with Elsebeth completely on this point and I think you are being deeply dishonest with the response you gave to that new player Ranger 1.
The situation you describe is the outlook of SA forums and an alien culture that has sought to impose itself on the community of eve online. But its a tiny fraction of the player base regardless of how much noise it makes during these threads on the forums. Most players are not Goons, don't think like goons, and don't act like goons. Despite the way the game has been portrayed by Alexander Gianturco's behaviour at Fanfest the game has not been culturally colonized to the exclusion of all else by this kind of brash sexist, hateful I guess you could say Aris Bakhtanians style outlook.
And more to the point I think that was the precise point CCP themselves were trying to make all the way through the Fanfest presentations. "We play the game hard and ruthlessly but face to face as people we're lovely!" I mean jesus christ, you could practically read that script on the teleprompters for their anchor team.
Its a good line. It harnesses the "core gaming" experience stuff their marketing VP was on about, it differentiates the game from other "soft core" theme park MMOs while still reaching out for subscribers who might have previously been put off by all the horrible behaviour and casual bullying that goes on amongst certain sections of the community.
We blow each others ships to hell every night, but there isn't a call to send people to harress a guy into suicide after you ruin his barge business. I mean how complicated is this stuff really?
Hi Jade, me again. Your massive posts full of words in this thread have on average 1 more like per post than mine which are mostly calling people out on their stupidity. Please explain how this qualifies you to speak "for the people" (without using the words "because goons").
Its not about me. If you want to address the issue by all means do so.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:07:00 -
[3517] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
Look at dat, faking jabber now Jade, how low can you go?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1601
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:07:00 -
[3518] - Quote
and lol what a pro snipe that was :)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:10:00 -
[3519] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Its not about me. If you want to address the issue by all means do so.
You're trying to present your own opinions as those of the majority. Questioning your grounds to do that is entirely relevant. |
esc shk
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
178
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:10:00 -
[3520] - Quote
ha |
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Prince Kobol
419
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:11:00 -
[3521] - Quote
Damn I see all those goons are still posting...
WE LOVE YOU
P.S
never stop posting |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:11:00 -
[3522] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:and lol what a pro snipe that was :)
If you didnt notice someone is deleting posts. Probably yours. "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1601
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:12:00 -
[3523] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Its not about me. If you want to address the issue by all means do so.
You're trying to present your own opinions as those of the majority. Questioning your grounds to do that is entirely relevant.
So far there seems a majority in favour of Alexander Gianturco being forced to resign as expressed in the very many public threads on the issue. But once again, if you want to talk about the misdeeds of your leader I'm very happy to do so. Otherwise, run along.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
174
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:13:00 -
[3524] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:and lol what a pro snipe that was :)
Maybe you missed the part about how this thread is about Roadhouse, and also that 9 and ( are different characters typed by the same key, one requiring the use of the shift modifier. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
92
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 11:14:00 -
[3525] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:What is with this "apology accepted", you random nobodys?
Who offended you and who apologized to you ?
The Mittani, aka Alex, the chairman of the CSM, a body elected to represent us players, did.
Next question?
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MyGoodApollo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:17:00 -
[3526] - Quote
I think lots of people have said stupid things. This should no way be a reason for someone to lose such a position. Just because Gordon Brown called a woman a Bigot doesn't mean he was stripped of his position then and there. Mittens was elected for another term, he should serve for another term and if this incident angered people enough, they should vote for someone else next year. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:17:00 -
[3527] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Yeep wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: Its not about me. If you want to address the issue by all means do so.
You're trying to present your own opinions as those of the majority. Questioning your grounds to do that is entirely relevant. So far there seems a majority in favour of Alexander Gianturco being forced to resign as expressed in the very many public threads on the issue. But once again, if you want to talk about the misdeeds of your leader I'm very happy to do so. Otherwise, run along.
People who feel strongly about things tend to make the most noise, this shouldn't be news to you. And I've expressed my distaste at what The Mittani did at least once in this thread, you can go look for it if you want. Then again I could go dig up the posts where you claim your massive pile of internet forum likes makes you more important than everyone else (hint: you probably don't want me to do this). |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:21:00 -
[3528] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: The Mittani, aka Alex, the chairman of the CSM, a body elected to represent us players, did.
Next question?
Who appointed you the spokesperson for "us players"? Jade will be angry that the role is being contested. |
SamtheDog
Singularity.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:23:00 -
[3529] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Sounds like a nice apology, however it's not enough
IF you really felt bad about what you did, you would not have done that. Even worse, you would have had enough common sense not to even think it was a smart thing to do or say in a public forum.
I don't believe your apology is sincere. If it were, you would have resigned your position in eve and not insulted the person by tossing them some isk to make this problem 'go away'.
It sounds more like damage control with your supporters trying to create an atmosphere of forgiveness. However, this is not a sincere expression of support, but more a form of poltical support for their cause. I don't think your allies really care if they made this guy kill himself. He's be forgotten within a few weeks anyways.
I think you will do whatever is in your best interests, and if you harm another player in real life (someone you don't know) you'd do it w/o really caring.
How do I know this? You did this publicly already, while at the same time givng a cheap apology. However, if you took real responsibility, you'd actually resign your position rather than tossing the victim a few isk and keeping your job which is far more profitable.
In short, you're a fundamentally broken person imho.
Sam |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:25:00 -
[3530] - Quote
I have no vested interest whether mittens resigns or not - I do not own a Titan nor do I mine.
In fact if mittens does resign, we will miss the easy laughs we can now have at his expense. Poor soul.
But he does seem to be struggling with, 'step two, resign'
Perhaps this was just another drunken outburst on his part? |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1601
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:25:00 -
[3531] - Quote
Yeep wrote: People who feel strongly about things tend to make the most noise, this shouldn't be news to you. And I've expressed my distaste at what The Mittani did at least once in this thread, you can go look for it if you want. Then again I could go dig up the posts where you claim your massive pile of internet forum likes makes you more important than everyone else (hint: you probably don't want me to do this).
I imagine you might like to deflect conversation but lets not. So you've expressed distaste at what Alexander Gianturco did at Fanfest. Do you believe he can continue as Chairman of the CSM and represent the game of eve online in the media and press given the current storm around cyber-bullying in a climate where the industry has already had to deal with the fallout from the Aris Bakhtanians "fighting game" issue?
If you'd like to step back from the trolling we can have a discussion of this certainly.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Valearx
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:30:00 -
[3532] - Quote
SamtheDog wrote:The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Sounds like a nice apology, however it's not enough IF you really felt bad about what you did, you would not have done that. Even worse, you would have had enough common sense not to even think it was a smart thing to do or say in a public forum. I don't believe your apology is sincere. If it were, you would have resigned your position in eve and not insulted the person by tossing them some isk to make this problem 'go away'. It sounds more like damage control with your supporters trying to create an atmosphere of forgiveness. However, this is not a sincere expression of support, but more a form of poltical support for their cause. I don't think your allies really care if they made this guy kill himself. He's be forgotten within a few weeks anyways. I think you will do whatever is in your best interests, and if you harm another player in real life (someone you don't know) you'd do it w/o really caring. How do I know this? You did this publicly already, while at the same time givng a cheap apology. However, if you took real responsibility, you'd actually resign your position rather than tossing the victim a few isk and keeping your job which is far more profitable. In short, you're a fundamentally broken person imho. And I don't accept your apology. Your words are meaningless. Try actually DOING something to make this right rather than cough up a few words. Your behaviour is truly disgusting. Sam
Hey Sam-who-signs-his-posts.
You're a faglord and you should probably kill yourself.
Thanks.
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TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
110
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:30:00 -
[3533] - Quote
Mittens resigning from the CSM CHANGES NOTHING.
Don't resign Mittani! My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:33:00 -
[3534] - Quote
Protection from Harassment Act 1997
This Act was passed following concerns that stalking was not dealt with effectively under the existing legislation. The Act des not refer solely to stalking but also covers harassment in a wider sense. The Act states that it is unlawful to cause harassment, alarm or distress by a course of conduct and states that GÇÿA person must not pursue a course of conduct, which:
amounts to harassment of another he knows, or ought to know, amounts to harassment of the other.GÇÖ
Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 This Act defines a criminal offence of intentional harassment, which covers all forms, including sexual harassment. A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he/she
uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour or disorderly behaviour; or displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting, thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.
Malicious Communications Act 1998/Telecommunications Act 1984 Under this Act it is an offence to send an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person. Under section 43 of the Telecommunications Act 1984 it is a similar offence to send a telephone message which is indecent, offensive or threatening.
Both these offences are punishable with up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine. The Malicious Communications offences are wider ranging, but under the Telecommunications offences, it is likely that the Police will use the former Act to bring a charge.
The Communications Act 2003 The Communications Act 2003 is by far the most recent Act to be passed. Section 127 states that a person is guilty of an offence if he/she
sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or causes any such message or matter to be so A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he/she knows to be false, causes such a message to be sent; or persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network
Thats UK law on cyberbullying.
1. Alexander pursued a course of conduct that amounted to harrassment of another individual, as a former lawwyer he knows or ought to know that would be harrassment. Inebriation is not an excuse. So there is an argument that he has breached the protection from harrassment act in the uk.
2. Alexandeer used threatening and abusive language with an intent to cause harm whether in jest or not is not material. That is a breach of the criminal justice act.
3. Alexander sent a clear and threatening electronic message which is in breach of the malicious communication act.
4. Alexander sent a public commuciaction wth the purpose of causing annoyance and needless anxiety to another in breach of the communications act.
Maybe those of you trivialising this issue need to take a good look at yourselves. Cyberbullying costs lives. We are fortunate in this case that it hasnt however Eve wont be so fortunate in the future if this behaviiour is allowed to go unchallenged.
Alexander was incredibly stupid whilst drunk he made an odious statement that is clearly in breach of UK/EU law. Laws which were used on monday to sentence a twitter user for six months in prison for abusing Patrick Muamba after his collapse. In effect a student got sent down for mocking Muamba and saying he hoped he would die. That student didnt incite others to harrass anyone which is considered a more serious offence.
Suicide is an incredibly emotive issue one I would have thought the goons of all people would be sensitive to. Maybe those of you trolling on this thread need to take a look at yourselves. YOur defending the indefesible.
Alexander has said he will do the right thing and resign and I applaud him for that. It is an act of contrition that would go some way to rehabilitating him in my eyes. To try and weasel out of that action now would be reprehensible.
As far as the legal situation in Iceland is concerned they have applied for EU membership and are currently alighning their legal system to reflect EU law. CCP dont really have any choice but to investegate this and act accordingly. If they do not then they leave themselves open to litigation and or prosecution is situations like this happen and sombody stupid acts on it.
Alexander man up and do the right thing, resign. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:33:00 -
[3535] - Quote
TheButcherPete wrote:Mittens resigning from the CSM CHANGES NOTHING.
Don't resign Mittani! So you would like him ban hammered? Thats a bit harsh don't you think or are you suggesting CCP makes real life threats acceptable or is it that as the CSM chairman you believe he should be able to do what ever he wants without consequences? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Valearx
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:35:00 -
[3536] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Protection from Harassment Act 1997
This Act was passed following concerns that stalking was not dealt with effectively under the existing legislation. The Act des not refer solely to stalking but also covers harassment in a wider sense. The Act states that it is unlawful to cause harassment, alarm or distress by a course of conduct and states that GÇÿA person must not pursue a course of conduct, which:
amounts to harassment of another he knows, or ought to know, amounts to harassment of the other.GÇÖ
Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 This Act defines a criminal offence of intentional harassment, which covers all forms, including sexual harassment. A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he/she
uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour or disorderly behaviour; or displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting, thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.
Malicious Communications Act 1998/Telecommunications Act 1984 Under this Act it is an offence to send an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person. Under section 43 of the Telecommunications Act 1984 it is a similar offence to send a telephone message which is indecent, offensive or threatening.
Both these offences are punishable with up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine. The Malicious Communications offences are wider ranging, but under the Telecommunications offences, it is likely that the Police will use the former Act to bring a charge.
The Communications Act 2003 The Communications Act 2003 is by far the most recent Act to be passed. Section 127 states that a person is guilty of an offence if he/she
sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or causes any such message or matter to be so A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he/she knows to be false, causes such a message to be sent; or persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network
Thats UK law on cyberbullying.
1. Alexander pursued a course of conduct that amounted to harrassment of another individual, as a former lawwyer he knows or ought to know that would be harrassment. Inebriation is not an excuse. So there is an argument that he has breached the protection from harrassment act in the uk.
2. Alexandeer used threatening and abusive language with an intent to cause harm whether in jest or not is not material. That is a breach of the criminal justice act.
3. Alexander sent a clear and threatening electronic message which is in breach of the malicious communication act.
4. Alexander sent a public commuciaction wth the purpose of causing annoyance and needless anxiety to another in breach of the communications act.
Maybe those of you trivialising this issue need to take a good look at yourselves. Cyberbullying costs lives. We are fortunate in this case that it hasnt however Eve wont be so fortunate in the future if this behaviiour is allowed to go unchallenged.
Alexander was incredibly stupid whilst drunk he made an odious statement that is clearly in breach of UK/EU law. Laws which were used on monday to sentence a twitter user for six months in prison for abusing Patrick Muamba after his collapse. In effect a student got sent down for mocking Muamba and saying he hoped he would die. That student didnt incite others to harrass anyone which is considered a more serious offence.
Suicide is an incredibly emotive issue one I would have thought the goons of all people would be sensitive to. Maybe those of you trolling on this thread need to take a look at yourselves. YOur defending the indefesible.
Alexander has said he will do the right thing and resign and I applaud him for that. It is an act of contrition that would go some way to rehabilitating him in my eyes. To try and weasel out of that action now would be reprehensible.
As far as the legal situation in Iceland is concerned they have applied for EU membership and are currently alighning their legal system to reflect EU law. CCP dont really have any choice but to investegate this and act accordingly. If they do not then they leave themselves open to litigation and or prosecution is situations like this happen and sombody stupid acts on it.
Alexander man up and do the right thing, resign.
You're applying EU/UK law to an American playing an Icelandic game. Nice one...
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Simvastatin Montelukast
Irregular Warfare Mean Coalition
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:36:00 -
[3537] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Protection from Harassment Act 1997
This Act was passed following concerns that stalking was not dealt with effectively under the existing legislation. The Act des not refer solely to stalking but also covers harassment in a wider sense. The Act states that it is unlawful to cause harassment, alarm or distress by a course of conduct and states that GÇÿA person must not pursue a course of conduct, which:
amounts to harassment of another he knows, or ought to know, amounts to harassment of the other.GÇÖ
Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 This Act defines a criminal offence of intentional harassment, which covers all forms, including sexual harassment. A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he/she
uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour or disorderly behaviour; or displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting, thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.
Malicious Communications Act 1998/Telecommunications Act 1984 Under this Act it is an offence to send an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person. Under section 43 of the Telecommunications Act 1984 it is a similar offence to send a telephone message which is indecent, offensive or threatening.
Both these offences are punishable with up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine. The Malicious Communications offences are wider ranging, but under the Telecommunications offences, it is likely that the Police will use the former Act to bring a charge.
The Communications Act 2003 The Communications Act 2003 is by far the most recent Act to be passed. Section 127 states that a person is guilty of an offence if he/she
sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or causes any such message or matter to be so A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he/she knows to be false, causes such a message to be sent; or persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network
Thats UK law on cyberbullying.
1. Alexander pursued a course of conduct that amounted to harrassment of another individual, as a former lawwyer he knows or ought to know that would be harrassment. Inebriation is not an excuse. So there is an argument that he has breached the protection from harrassment act in the uk.
2. Alexandeer used threatening and abusive language with an intent to cause harm whether in jest or not is not material. That is a breach of the criminal justice act.
3. Alexander sent a clear and threatening electronic message which is in breach of the malicious communication act.
4. Alexander sent a public commuciaction wth the purpose of causing annoyance and needless anxiety to another in breach of the communications act.
Maybe those of you trivialising this issue need to take a good look at yourselves. Cyberbullying costs lives. We are fortunate in this case that it hasnt however Eve wont be so fortunate in the future if this behaviiour is allowed to go unchallenged.
Alexander was incredibly stupid whilst drunk he made an odious statement that is clearly in breach of UK/EU law. Laws which were used on monday to sentence a twitter user for six months in prison for abusing Patrick Muamba after his collapse. In effect a student got sent down for mocking Muamba and saying he hoped he would die. That student didnt incite others to harrass anyone which is considered a more serious offence.
Suicide is an incredibly emotive issue one I would have thought the goons of all people would be sensitive to. Maybe those of you trolling on this thread need to take a look at yourselves. YOur defending the indefesible.
Alexander has said he will do the right thing and resign and I applaud him for that. It is an act of contrition that would go some way to rehabilitating him in my eyes. To try and weasel out of that action now would be reprehensible.
As far as the legal situation in Iceland is concerned they have applied for EU membership and are currently alighning their legal system to reflect EU law. CCP dont really have any choice but to investegate this and act accordingly. If they do not then they leave themselves open to litigation and or prosecution is situations like this happen and sombody stupid acts on it.
Alexander man up and do the right thing, resign.
Damn, Lots of words to say "resign"
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SamtheDog
Singularity.
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:37:00 -
[3538] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:Mittens resigning from the CSM CHANGES NOTHING.
Don't resign Mittani! So you would like him ban hammered? Thats a bit harsh don't you think or are you suggesting CCP makes real life threats acceptable or is it that as the CSM chairman you believe he should be able to do what ever he wants without consequences?
I would prefer to see him face criminal prosecution for what he did. A ban is far too lenient.
I suspect Goons would glady let people suffer in RL if it benefitted them. Their postings on this thread seem to support this claim. Supporting cyber-bullying is not only incomprehensible, but it tells you a great deal about the general mores of the goons. Do what you can and literally see how far you can push someone over the edge at a fanfest.
The supportive comments are goons...which is hardly a surprise.
I guess life is considered cheap where you live.
Sam |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:37:00 -
[3539] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Do you believe he can continue as Chairman of the CSM and represent the game of eve online in the media and press given the current storm around cyber-bullying in a climate where the industry has already had to deal with the fallout from the Aris Bakhtanians "fighting game" issue?
Yes, I do, because I believe anyone who would seriously and honestly care and feel bad about something like cyber-bullying in EVE Online would have already been turned off of it by the rather hands off approach CCP takes to things like griefing, scamming, and other not so nice-guy things that make EVE what it is. On top of that, given the news media's tendency to pick up hot button issues and stories then drop them for whatever the next hot button story or issue is means this will have virtually no long-term effects on the 'industry' or EVE online, at least profitability wise. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:39:00 -
[3540] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Yeep wrote: People who feel strongly about things tend to make the most noise, this shouldn't be news to you. And I've expressed my distaste at what The Mittani did at least once in this thread, you can go look for it if you want. Then again I could go dig up the posts where you claim your massive pile of internet forum likes makes you more important than everyone else (hint: you probably don't want me to do this).
I imagine you might like to deflect conversation but lets not. So you've expressed distaste at what Alexander Gianturco did at Fanfest. Do you believe he can continue as Chairman of the CSM and represent the game of eve online in the media and press given the current storm around cyber-bullying in a climate where the industry has already had to deal with the fallout from the Aris Bakhtanians "fighting game" issue? If you'd like to step back from the trolling we can have a discussion of this certainly.
In my opinion the apology was enough, the isk from his personal wallet was more than needed but if he felt he had to do it then I respect that. If you're unwilling to accept the apology as sincere (which I don't think is the case from your earlier posts but other people will read this) then theres a good chance you're a pitchfork carrying lynchmob and nothing anyone says will convince you until The Mittani hangs.
I think if people with conflicting political agendas weren't trying their hardest to spread misinformation about this unfortunate event it would all have blown over days ago. Any sweeping game changes CCP has to make will be on their heads, not The Mittani's but again, nothing I say will convince them of that. I'd hope most of them are just too short sighted to see the likely consequences of their actions. Not to mention the extra harassment of the player in question that the publicity over this issue has caused (but thats good harassment right).
I also think (and theres plenty of evidence to support this right here in this thread) that a lot of the people calling for his resignation haven't even taken the time to think about the issues. Theres a massive bandwagon right now and a lot of people just like bandwagons.
Finally I think kneejerk resignations are bad for society as a whole despite how trendy they are right now. The Mittani is good at being the chair of the CSM and a good CSM chair makes for a healthier Eve. Sure he should be punished, I'd be pretty chill with a temp ban and never being allowed to speak on the Alliance panel again but his resignation won't solve any actual problems.
Look at all that effortposting >:( |
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:41:00 -
[3541] - Quote
SamtheDog wrote: I guess life is considered cheap where you live.
I guess brain is considered expensive where you live. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
504
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:42:00 -
[3542] - Quote
Threadnaught still going strong after nearly 3500 posts in barely a day and its still pwning idiots that take things too personally even after a guy appologizes.
We need to get this Super Capital thread nerfed asap! |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
32
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:43:00 -
[3543] - Quote
Valearx wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Protection from Harassment Act 1997
This Act was passed following concerns that stalking was not dealt with effectively under the existing legislation. The Act des not refer solely to stalking but also covers harassment in a wider sense. The Act states that it is unlawful to cause harassment, alarm or distress by a course of conduct and states that GÇÿA person must not pursue a course of conduct, which:
amounts to harassment of another he knows, or ought to know, amounts to harassment of the other.GÇÖ
Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 This Act defines a criminal offence of intentional harassment, which covers all forms, including sexual harassment. A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he/she
uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour or disorderly behaviour; or displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting, thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.
Malicious Communications Act 1998/Telecommunications Act 1984 Under this Act it is an offence to send an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person. Under section 43 of the Telecommunications Act 1984 it is a similar offence to send a telephone message which is indecent, offensive or threatening.
Both these offences are punishable with up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine. The Malicious Communications offences are wider ranging, but under the Telecommunications offences, it is likely that the Police will use the former Act to bring a charge.
The Communications Act 2003 The Communications Act 2003 is by far the most recent Act to be passed. Section 127 states that a person is guilty of an offence if he/she
sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or causes any such message or matter to be so A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he/she knows to be false, causes such a message to be sent; or persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network
Thats UK law on cyberbullying.
1. Alexander pursued a course of conduct that amounted to harrassment of another individual, as a former lawwyer he knows or ought to know that would be harrassment. Inebriation is not an excuse. So there is an argument that he has breached the protection from harrassment act in the uk.
2. Alexandeer used threatening and abusive language with an intent to cause harm whether in jest or not is not material. That is a breach of the criminal justice act.
3. Alexander sent a clear and threatening electronic message which is in breach of the malicious communication act.
4. Alexander sent a public commuciaction wth the purpose of causing annoyance and needless anxiety to another in breach of the communications act.
Maybe those of you trivialising this issue need to take a good look at yourselves. Cyberbullying costs lives. We are fortunate in this case that it hasnt however Eve wont be so fortunate in the future if this behaviiour is allowed to go unchallenged.
Alexander was incredibly stupid whilst drunk he made an odious statement that is clearly in breach of UK/EU law. Laws which were used on monday to sentence a twitter user for six months in prison for abusing Patrick Muamba after his collapse. In effect a student got sent down for mocking Muamba and saying he hoped he would die. That student didnt incite others to harrass anyone which is considered a more serious offence.
Suicide is an incredibly emotive issue one I would have thought the goons of all people would be sensitive to. Maybe those of you trolling on this thread need to take a look at yourselves. YOur defending the indefesible.
Alexander has said he will do the right thing and resign and I applaud him for that. It is an act of contrition that would go some way to rehabilitating him in my eyes. To try and weasel out of that action now would be reprehensible.
As far as the legal situation in Iceland is concerned they have applied for EU membership and are currently alighning their legal system to reflect EU law. CCP dont really have any choice but to investegate this and act accordingly. If they do not then they leave themselves open to litigation and or prosecution is situations like this happen and sombody stupid acts on it.
Alexander man up and do the right thing, resign. You're applying EU/UK law to an American playing an Icelandic game. Nice one...
The offence took place in Iceland which as I point out is bringing its legal system into line with the EU so being in Iceland is no excuse. Nor is being an american. In fact US law is just as clear on this. He really has done somthing that stepped not only over the lines of decency but also puts himself into a very shady legal situation. We can only be thankful that nobody acted on Alexanders stupidity but CCP need to cover themselves and take steps to ensure this does not happen again. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
24
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:45:00 -
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Valearx wrote:SamtheDog wrote:The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Sounds like a nice apology, however it's not enough IF you really felt bad about what you did, you would not have done that. Even worse, you would have had enough common sense not to even think it was a smart thing to do or say in a public forum. I don't believe your apology is sincere. If it were, you would have resigned your position in eve and not insulted the person by tossing them some isk to make this problem 'go away'. It sounds more like damage control with your supporters trying to create an atmosphere of forgiveness. However, this is not a sincere expression of support, but more a form of poltical support for their cause. I don't think your allies really care if they made this guy kill himself. He's be forgotten within a few weeks anyways. I think you will do whatever is in your best interests, and if you harm another player in real life (someone you don't know) you'd do it w/o really caring. How do I know this? You did this publicly already, while at the same time givng a cheap apology. However, if you took real responsibility, you'd actually resign your position rather than tossing the victim a few isk and keeping your job which is far more profitable. In short, you're a fundamentally broken person imho. And I don't accept your apology. Your words are meaningless. Try actually DOING something to make this right rather than cough up a few words. Your behaviour is truly disgusting. Sam Hey Sam-who-signs-his-posts. You're a faglord and you should probably kill yourself. Thanks.
Wow your really helping your case.
Tal
And no I'm not and no I won't (just in case)
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1602
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:46:00 -
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Valearx wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Protection from Harassment Act 1997
This Act was passed following concerns that stalking was not dealt with effectively under the existing legislation. The Act des not refer solely to stalking but also covers harassment in a wider sense. The Act states that it is unlawful to cause harassment, alarm or distress by a course of conduct and states that GÇÿA person must not pursue a course of conduct, which:
amounts to harassment of another he knows, or ought to know, amounts to harassment of the other.GÇÖ
Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 This Act defines a criminal offence of intentional harassment, which covers all forms, including sexual harassment. A person is guilty of an offence if, with intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress, he/she
uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour or disorderly behaviour; or displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening, abusive or insulting, thereby causing that or another person harassment, alarm or distress.
Malicious Communications Act 1998/Telecommunications Act 1984 Under this Act it is an offence to send an indecent, offensive or threatening letter, electronic communication or other article to another person. Under section 43 of the Telecommunications Act 1984 it is a similar offence to send a telephone message which is indecent, offensive or threatening.
Both these offences are punishable with up to six months imprisonment and/or a fine. The Malicious Communications offences are wider ranging, but under the Telecommunications offences, it is likely that the Police will use the former Act to bring a charge.
The Communications Act 2003 The Communications Act 2003 is by far the most recent Act to be passed. Section 127 states that a person is guilty of an offence if he/she
sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or causes any such message or matter to be so A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he/she knows to be false, causes such a message to be sent; or persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network
Thats UK law on cyberbullying.
1. Alexander pursued a course of conduct that amounted to harrassment of another individual, as a former lawwyer he knows or ought to know that would be harrassment. Inebriation is not an excuse. So there is an argument that he has breached the protection from harrassment act in the uk.
2. Alexandeer used threatening and abusive language with an intent to cause harm whether in jest or not is not material. That is a breach of the criminal justice act.
3. Alexander sent a clear and threatening electronic message which is in breach of the malicious communication act.
4. Alexander sent a public commuciaction wth the purpose of causing annoyance and needless anxiety to another in breach of the communications act.
Maybe those of you trivialising this issue need to take a good look at yourselves. Cyberbullying costs lives. We are fortunate in this case that it hasnt however Eve wont be so fortunate in the future if this behaviiour is allowed to go unchallenged.
Alexander was incredibly stupid whilst drunk he made an odious statement that is clearly in breach of UK/EU law. Laws which were used on monday to sentence a twitter user for six months in prison for abusing Patrick Muamba after his collapse. In effect a student got sent down for mocking Muamba and saying he hoped he would die. That student didnt incite others to harrass anyone which is considered a more serious offence.
Suicide is an incredibly emotive issue one I would have thought the goons of all people would be sensitive to. Maybe those of you trolling on this thread need to take a look at yourselves. YOur defending the indefesible.
Alexander has said he will do the right thing and resign and I applaud him for that. It is an act of contrition that would go some way to rehabilitating him in my eyes. To try and weasel out of that action now would be reprehensible.
As far as the legal situation in Iceland is concerned they have applied for EU membership and are currently alighning their legal system to reflect EU law. CCP dont really have any choice but to investegate this and act accordingly. If they do not then they leave themselves open to litigation and or prosecution is situations like this happen and sombody stupid acts on it.
Alexander man up and do the right thing, resign. You're applying EU/UK law to an American playing an Icelandic game. Nice one...
He's just pointing out that what Alexander Gianturco (an apparently ex lawyer) did while drunk on stage at fanfest has just had a guy banged up in prison for six months in the UK. Nobody is arguing that UK law should have validity over a US citizen (which would a sentiment we'd appreciate your politicians would adopt in the case of our file-sharing students getting extradited by the way) - But it would be ridiculously short-sighted for CCP as a company to ignore the potential bad-press and impact that having the player representative chair of their game to remain unpunished for stomping his drunken way into a very big ticket media focus at the moment.
UK student does jail time for hoping an injured footballer dies. US ex lawyer calls for a fellow player to be harrassed into suicide.
Those are two headlines that can certainly appear in the mainstream media and there is sufficient interest to make this happen.
Alexander Gianturco needs to resign and do the decent thing and get out of the media spotlight fast.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:48:00 -
[3546] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine,
Your posting clearly shows that not even you're not a lawyer, but also you don't have even a vague understanding of law.
also, lolUK.
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TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
104
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:49:00 -
[3547] - Quote
People totally read this far.
This is all a load of tosh if you ask me.
Political correctness gone mad.
If it was really as easy as "so kill yourself" or "everyone get that guy" to have things happen, I'd be wielding it with such might and power the global population would hit 500mil in no time.
To those that are outraged - lighten up already To the wis - get some actual help if you need it, life happens, you kinda gotta role with it. To mittani - way to break a brand, stick in character or the whole thing breaks To the "ambulance chasing lawyers" who are flocking around this - please.... reconsider your lives, find a job that makes you less of a parasite. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:51:00 -
[3548] - Quote
SamtheDog wrote:Frying Doom wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:Mittens resigning from the CSM CHANGES NOTHING.
Don't resign Mittani! So you would like him ban hammered? Thats a bit harsh don't you think or are you suggesting CCP makes real life threats acceptable or is it that as the CSM chairman you believe he should be able to do what ever he wants without consequences? I would prefer to see him face criminal prosecution for what he did. A ban is far too lenient. I suspect Goons would glady let people suffer in RL if it benefitted them. Their postings on this thread seem to support this claim. Supporting cyber-bullying is not only incomprehensible, but it tells you a great deal about the general mores of the goons. Do what you can and literally see how far you can push someone over the edge at a fanfest. The supportive comments are goons...which is hardly a surprise. I guess life is considered cheap where you live. Sam Having never lived in another country I can't say if we value life more or less here. We don't let people walk around with guns. Cyber bullying has become a major problem, my kids spend the first 2 weeks of the year in their computer labs time learning about how to protect them selves from it and the other sleazier part of the internet.
Criminal prosecution is too far out of the realm of a forum post for me to even comment. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1602
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:52:00 -
[3549] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine,
Your posting clearly shows that not even you're not a lawyer, but also you don't have even a vague understanding of law.
also, lolUK.
SWANSEA, Wales -- The student who mocked Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba on Twitter after the player collapsed on the field during a match has been jailed for inciting racial hatred. Liam Stacey, a 21-year-old student at Swansea University, admitted to the charge last week and was jailed Tuesday for 56 days. Chief prosecutor Jim Brisbane says "we hope this case will serve as a warning to anyone who may think that comments made online are somehow beyond the law." Muamba's heart stopped beating on its own for 78 minutes after he collapsed during an FA Cup quarterfinal match against Tottenham on March 17. He remains hospitalized in intensive care.
Thats a US paper taking up the story btw.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
35
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:52:00 -
[3550] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine,
Your posting clearly shows that not even you're not a lawyer, but also you don't have even a vague understanding of law.
also, lolUK.
Karim your posting clearly shows that you havent understood the serious nature of this issue and you dont even have the vaguest empathy for someone being harrassed. I pity you. |
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Implying Implications
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
42
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:53:00 -
[3551] - Quote
People are taking this too far. If it wasn't a goon who said this nobody would have a problem. |
Riper GriM
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:53:00 -
[3552] - Quote
I have actually started a proceeding for a legal complaint against Alexander. |
Rolf Wesselius
Seraph Innovations
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:55:00 -
[3553] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Yeep wrote: People who feel strongly about things tend to make the most noise, this shouldn't be news to you. And I've expressed my distaste at what The Mittani did at least once in this thread, you can go look for it if you want. Then again I could go dig up the posts where you claim your massive pile of internet forum likes makes you more important than everyone else (hint: you probably don't want me to do this).
I imagine you might like to deflect conversation but lets not. So you've expressed distaste at what Alexander Gianturco did at Fanfest. Do you believe he can continue as Chairman of the CSM and represent the game of eve online in the media and press given the current storm around cyber-bullying in a climate where the industry has already had to deal with the fallout from the Aris Bakhtanians "fighting game" issue? If you'd like to step back from the trolling we can have a discussion of this certainly. In my opinion the apology was enough, the isk from his personal wallet was more than needed but if he felt he had to do it then I respect that. If you're unwilling to accept the apology as sincere (which I don't think is the case from your earlier posts but other people will read this) then theres a good chance you're a pitchfork carrying lynchmob and nothing anyone says will convince you until The Mittani hangs. I think if people with conflicting political agendas weren't trying their hardest to spread misinformation about this unfortunate event it would all have blown over days ago. Any sweeping game changes CCP has to make will be on their heads, not The Mittani's but again, nothing I say will convince them of that. I'd hope most of them are just too short sighted to see the likely consequences of their actions. Not to mention the extra harassment of the player in question that the publicity over this issue has caused (but thats good harassment right). I also think (and theres plenty of evidence to support this right here in this thread) that a lot of the people calling for his resignation haven't even taken the time to think about the issues. Theres a massive bandwagon right now and a lot of people just like bandwagons. Finally I think kneejerk resignations are bad for society as a whole despite how trendy they are right now. The Mittani is good at being the chair of the CSM and a good CSM chair makes for a healthier Eve. Sure he should be punished, I'd be pretty chill with a temp ban and never being allowed to speak on the Alliance panel again but his resignation won't solve any actual problems. Look at all that effortposting >:(
Look Eve is know as a hive of scammers and griefers,Some people can deal with that. But what Mittani did is even being talked about on kotaku, Even with his apology this Ruined alot if not all goodwill we had with the majority of the gaming community. This could even **** over Dust 514. Sony is heavy anti cyber bullying if CCP does not do something about this Sony could not allow Dust 514 on Sen. Hell this could force heavy anti cyberbullying rules in eve if sony forces it on CCP.
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:55:00 -
[3554] - Quote
A clear example of judge and prosecution finding a scapegoat to make an example. |
Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:55:00 -
[3555] - Quote
SamtheDog wrote:Frying Doom wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:Mittens resigning from the CSM CHANGES NOTHING.
Don't resign Mittani! So you would like him ban hammered? Thats a bit harsh don't you think or are you suggesting CCP makes real life threats acceptable or is it that as the CSM chairman you believe he should be able to do what ever he wants without consequences? I would prefer to see him face criminal prosecution for what he did. A ban is far too lenient. I suspect Goons would glady let people suffer in RL if it benefitted them. Their postings on this thread seem to support this claim. Supporting cyber-bullying is not only incomprehensible, but it tells you a great deal about the general mores of the goons. Do what you can and literally see how far you can push someone over the edge at a fanfest. The supportive comments are goons...which is hardly a surprise. I guess life is considered cheap where you live. Sam You are doing it wrong... you should post a proper complaint about The Mittani. Let me form one for you:
Proper Complaint wrote:I want to share with you a few of the tentative conclusions I've reached regarding The Mittani's practices. And I stress the word "tentative," because the subject of what motivates The Mittani is tricky and complex. I begin with critical semantic clarifications. First, The Mittani's hatchet men are too lazy to deal with the relevant facts. They just want to sit back, fasten their mouths on the public teats, and casually forget that The Mittani keeps missing my point. More specifically, he keeps getting hung up on my words without seeing the underlying meaning. For example, when I say that The Mittani's flimflams are built on a backlash fueled by angerGÇöin the form of resentment, spite, vengeance, envy, loss, and bitterness over declining statusGÇöon the part of the worst kinds of unstable wicked-types there are, The Mittani seems incapable of realizing that what I'm really getting at is that people used to think I was exaggerating whenever I said that his snow jobs represent an illegitimate, unilateral attempt to get people to vote against their own self-interests. After seeing The Mittani preach fear and ignorance these same people now realize that I wasn't exaggerating at all. In fact, they even realize that mass anxiety is the equivalent of steroids for The Mittani. If we feel helpless, The Mittani is energized and ramps up his efforts to usher in the rule of the Antichrist and the apocalyptic end times.
I'll go over that again: It wasn't so long ago that people like you and me were free to transcend local prejudices. Recently, that's become a lot harder to do. What happened that changed things so much? To put it briefly, The Mittani happened. By setting the wolf to mind the sheep, The Mittani has managed to get everyone to march in lockstep with his abusive epigones. If he sincerely believes that we can change the truth if we don't like it the way it is then he must be smoking something illegal. Should someone think that I am saying too much, I am not saying too much but much too little. For The Mittani has never disproved anything I've ever written. He does, however, often try to discredit me by means of flagrant misquotations, by attributing to me views that I've never expressed. In the end, if you want truth, you have to struggle for it. This letter represents my struggle, my attempt at announcing that we may need to picket, demonstrate, march, or strike to stop The Mittani before he can construct the spectre of a terrible armed threat. It is also my soapbox for informing the community at large that he should work with us, not step in at the eleventh hour and hog all the glory.
A desire to wear a cloak of status and prestige is the only explanation for The Mittani's otherwise inexplicable behavior. Sounds pretty flagitious, doesn't it? But is it any more so than The Mittani's vulgar memoirs? You may be wondering why insensitive converts to pr+ªtorianism (especially the pertinacious type) latch onto The Mittani's suggestions. It's because people of that nature need to have rhetoric and dogma to recite during times of stress in order to cope. That's also why The Mittani recently got caught red-handed trying to push the State towards greater influence, self-preservation, and totalitarianism and away from civic engagement, constituent choice, and independent thought. Well, surprise, surprise, surprise, as Gomer Pyle would say. In short, The Mittani's dodgy, self-absorbed endeavors have done much to seize control of the power structure. I propose, therefore, that we respond by doing what we can to transform our culture of war and violence into a culture of peace and nonviolence.
There. Now we all could create more of these complaints at: http://www.pakin.org/complaint/
Because complaining is great, isn't it? |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
104
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:58:00 -
[3556] - Quote
Riper GriM wrote:I have actually started a proceeding for a legal complaint against Alexander.
Let's hope you get your 15min of fame |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:58:00 -
[3557] - Quote
Has to much been made of this? Of course it has.
But it's a slow motion train wreck now, the tracks are laid and the carnage is coming whether justified or not. For a guy to brand himself as out to ruin your game via guerrilla tactics, he finds himself and the wrong end of the meta-gun.
And what does Mr. Alexander Gianturco have to show for all of it? His real name forever linked to a drunken image of himself at a video game convention, wearing a wizard hat, caught up in a cyber-bullying incident.
It's been said before that everyone has an agenda - or at least most do, and this guy has sabotaged himself with staggering efficiency.
I agree with most folks above, CCP's hands are tied. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:58:00 -
[3558] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine,
Your posting clearly shows that not even you're not a lawyer, but also you don't have even a vague understanding of law.
also, lolUK.
Karim your posting clearly shows that you havent understood the serious nature of this issue and you dont even have the vaguest empathy for someone being harrassed. I pity you.
You will have hard time convincing me that blowing up internet spaceships constitutes a harassment. |
Valearx
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:58:00 -
[3559] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine,
Your posting clearly shows that not even you're not a lawyer, but also you don't have even a vague understanding of law.
also, lolUK.
Karim your posting clearly shows that you havent understood the serious nature of this issue and you dont even have the vaguest empathy for someone being harrassed. I pity you.
Tell me about the serious nature of this issue.
Also tell me about empathy.
Also kill yourself. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:58:00 -
[3560] - Quote
Please educate us as to where "racial hatred" was inspired in this case. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1603
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:59:00 -
[3561] - Quote
Implying Implications wrote:People are taking this too far. If it wasn't a goon who said this nobody would have a problem.
Why don't you try to put aside your goonish clan identity for a moment and lets talk as adult players of this game. I'm not saying Alexander Gianturco should be prosecuted in real or extradited to iceland or england or whatnot. I'm not saying eve online should become a politically-correct utopia where nobody says boo to a goose. I once caused a mini scandal myself for saying rude things about Verone when I was CSM chair for heaven's sake - I'm no saint.
But I didn't use my position on stage at fanfest as a bully pulpit to call for the harrassment of a fellow gamer. I think if we were to meet face to face and share a quiet pint and talk this over you'd agree it went too far and now Gianturco needs to resign for the good of the game.
A lot of goon players in this thread seem to be turning it into a persecution complex "its just because he was a goon". It really isn't. Its simply because he had a responsibility to represent this game as an ambassador to the watching media and he flunked it badly.
I personally am happy to see Mittani continue to be allowed to play this game. But there has to be some sanction for what he did and if he's not prepared to take responsibility and do the decent thing as Alexander Gianturco and resign then he needs to be pushed out.
Eve Online now needs to send a message that certain kinds of out of game harrassment and cyber bullying need to be stamped out.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1603
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:01:00 -
[3562] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:Please educate us as to where "racial hatred" was inspired in this case.
The UK student was jailed for posting he hoped somebody died. Gianturco is on film calling for somebody to be harrassed into suicide.
If you can't draw a linkage between those stories then nothing much more I can do to educate you.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
478
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:01:00 -
[3563] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:[quote=Yeep][quote=Jade Constantine Its not about me. If you want to address the issue by all means do so. [/quote
You're trying to present your own opinions as those of the majority. Questioning your grounds to do that is entirely relevant.[/quote
So far there seems a majority in favour of Alexander Gianturco being forced to resign as expressed in the very many public threads on the issue. But once again, if you want to talk about the misdeeds of your leader I'm very happy to do so. Otherwise, run along.
There's a vocal minority who are shouting from the hills my friend. You could ignore 3-4 people on these forums and the whole topic becomes much more reasonable to have a discussion about. For example, yourself who fails to hear reason, even follow your own ideals which you've fought, died and killed for in New Eden. You've spent a lot of time and words in this thread knocking down a man who used his right of freedom to express himself in an inebriated state. You are among the vocal minority who spend a lot of effort on the smear campaign for a personal vendetta against someone who you've been waiting for the opportunity to do exactly this.
Jade, I thought you represented free thought, free speech and freedom as a whole. Aren't you going against the very things you've worked so hard to 'defend' in New Eden?
I'm so disappointed in you. You sir are a giant walking contradiction of your former self. No wonder your organization barely exists anymore. It's no wonder your own constituents have lost faith in you.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Roc Wieler
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
156
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:03:00 -
[3564] - Quote
I only found out about this situation this morning while getting caught up on Twitter and the Forums.
For what it's worth to you, Alex, I have a few words.
Roc cannot stand The Mittani. I understand roleplay. I appreciate developing a persona.
Having had some time with Alex, not The Mittani, I can also attest to the fact that you are actually a decent person. It was a pleasant surprise. Intelligent, witty, a good sense of humour, sincere, personable, all qualities that speak to your real life character.
There's no need for me to tell you that the line was crossed. The very nature of your apology makes it clear you are self-aware and repentent.
However, I truly believe a man is only as good as his actions. Words are not enough.
The latest words I have heard is that you will be stepping down as CSM Chairman, and making personal restitution to the harassed player. Admirable words.
Should you choose to step down, I do believe that would be a loss to the CSM, and to the community. Before Fanfest, I would not have thought that.
I do believe stepping down is the right and moral choice. I'm not anti-goon.
I'm sure you've had many offline offers should you desire to communicate further with a peer. Consider this mine.
You are not in an enviable position. I hope you do what is right for the harassed player, for you, and for our community.
More than lip service, my friend. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:07:00 -
[3565] - Quote
Rolf Wesselius wrote: Look Eve is know as a hive of scammers and griefers,Some people can deal with that. But what Mittani did is even being talked about on kotaku, Even with his apology this Ruined alot if not all goodwill we had with the majority of the gaming community. This could even **** over Dust 514. Sony is heavy anti cyber bullying if CCP does not do something about this Sony could not allow Dust 514 on Sen. Hell this could force heavy anti cyberbullying rules in eve if sony forces it on CCP.
I just looked at the front page of Kotaku, theres a lot of stuff about how anime characters are sexy, a bit of Assassin's Creed III coverage oh and if I scroll way down in a side panel theres one poorly researched (again, twitter as a primary source) article.
The resignation or non-resignation of The Mittani will likely have a negligible impact on any decision Sony makes. The continued spreading of misinformation and outright lies by short sighted morons with a grudge will do way more damage. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:09:00 -
[3566] - Quote
Zagdul wrote: You've spent a lot of time and words in this thread knocking down a man who used his right of freedom to express himself in an inebriated state. You are among the vocal minority who spend a lot of effort on the smear campaign for a personal vendetta against someone who you've been waiting for the opportunity to do exactly this.
Jade, I thought you represented free thought, free speech and freedom as a whole. Aren't you going against the very things you've worked so hard to 'defend' in New Eden?
They have freedom of speech laws in Iceland that let you say what ever you want? Freedom of speech needs boundaries most of the world have them. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:10:00 -
[3567] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Implying Implications wrote:People are taking this too far. If it wasn't a goon who said this nobody would have a problem. Why don't you try to put aside your goonish clan identity for a moment and lets talk as adult players of this game. I'm not saying Alexander Gianturco should be prosecuted in real or extradited to iceland or england or whatnot. I'm not saying eve online should become a politically-correct utopia where nobody says boo to a goose. I once caused a mini scandal myself for saying rude things about Verone when I was CSM chair for heaven's sake - I'm no saint.
See John 8:7 (King James Version is good).
Also, if you don't think he should be prosecuted why post dumb red herrings about a guy going to jail for racial harrassment, mmmm?
Jade Constantine wrote:But I didn't use my position on stage at fanfest as a bully pulpit to call for the harrassment of a fellow gamer. I think if we were to meet face to face and share a quiet pint and talk this over you'd agree it went too far and now Gianturco needs to resign for the good of the game.
No harrassment was actually performed and the two appear to have settled out of court.
Jade Constantine wrote:A lot of goon players in this thread seem to be turning it into a persecution complex "its just because he was a goon". It really isn't. Its simply because he had a responsibility to represent this game as an ambassador to the watching media and he flunked it badly.
Fanfest alliance presentations have never been anything other than awful. Also CCP have used the aspergers mentality of the average Eve player as an advertising tool for years to distinguish themselves from cotton wool MMOs like WoW. Maybe they'll perform sobriety tests on the presenters next time.
Jade Constantine wrote:I personally am happy to see Mittani continue to be allowed to play this game. But there has to be some sanction for what he did and if he's not prepared to take responsibility and do the decent thing as Alexander Gianturco and resign then he needs to be pushed out.
There already has been some sanction (The Mittani is now a spacepoor b***ch and been mocked relentlessly for his unfunny presentation). If you're lucky we might be able to get him to sing on Mumble. |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:10:00 -
[3568] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Rolf Wesselius wrote: Look Eve is know as a hive of scammers and griefers,Some people can deal with that. But what Mittani did is even being talked about on kotaku, Even with his apology this Ruined alot if not all goodwill we had with the majority of the gaming community. This could even **** over Dust 514. Sony is heavy anti cyber bullying if CCP does not do something about this Sony could not allow Dust 514 on Sen. Hell this could force heavy anti cyberbullying rules in eve if sony forces it on CCP.
I just looked at the front page of Kotaku, theres a lot of stuff about how anime characters are sexy, a bit of Assassin's Creed III coverage oh and if I scroll way down in a side panel theres one poorly researched (again, twitter as a primary source) article. The resignation or non-resignation of The Mittani will likely have a negligible impact on any decision Sony makes. The continued spreading of misinformation and outright lies by short sighted morons with a grudge will do way more damage.
That's true, and there are those that would see their agenda through at the expense of the game - and thanks to your fearless leader they now have a mechanism to do so.
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:10:00 -
[3569] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Please educate us as to where "racial hatred" was inspired in this case. The UK student was jailed for posting he hoped somebody died. Gianturco is on film calling for somebody to be harrassed into suicide. If you can't draw a linkage between those stories then nothing much more I can do to educate you.
Perhaps you should talk with that wannabe lawyer dude, who was pasting excerpts of the UK law, and fit your versions with one another?
Because he's talking about harassment and you're quoting a case of inciting racial hatred.
Aren't these distinct in the UK legislation?
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
478
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:11:00 -
[3570] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Implying Implications wrote:People are taking this too far. If it wasn't a goon who said this nobody would have a problem. Why don't you try to put aside your goonish clan identity for a moment and lets talk as adult players of this game. I'm not saying Alexander Gianturco should be prosecuted in real or extradited to iceland or england or whatnot. I'm not saying eve online should become a politically-correct utopia where nobody says boo to a goose. I once caused a mini scandal myself for saying rude things about Verone when I was CSM chair for heaven's sake - I'm no saint. But I didn't use my position on stage at fanfest as a bully pulpit to call for the harrassment of a fellow gamer. I think if we were to meet face to face and share a quiet pint and talk this over you'd agree it went too far and now Gianturco needs to resign for the good of the game. A lot of goon players in this thread seem to be turning it into a persecution complex "its just because he was a goon". It really isn't. Its simply because he had a responsibility to represent this game as an ambassador to the watching media and he flunked it badly. I personally am happy to see Mittani continue to be allowed to play this game. But there has to be some sanction for what he did and if he's not prepared to take responsibility and do the decent thing as Alexander Gianturco and resign then he needs to be pushed out. Eve Online now needs to send a message that certain kinds of out of game harrassment and cyber bullying need to be stamped out. He didn't use his position either.
It was the alliance panel.
The CSM panel he handled himself well.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
35
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:11:00 -
[3571] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine,
Your posting clearly shows that not even you're not a lawyer, but also you don't have even a vague understanding of law.
also, lolUK.
Karim your posting clearly shows that you havent understood the serious nature of this issue and you dont even have the vaguest empathy for someone being harrassed. I pity you. You will have hard time convincing me that blowing up internet spaceships constitutes a harassment.
Duh we all blow up internet spaceships thats a game.
What we dont all do is incite other to harrass sombody so the kill themselves, on a public forum with a live stream on the internet. You see the difference or is basic comprehension of the facts too difficult for you? |
Valearx
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:12:00 -
[3572] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:So far there seems a majority in favour of Alexander Gianturco being forced to resign
Yeep wrote: short sighted moron with a grudge |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:12:00 -
[3573] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Please educate us as to where "racial hatred" was inspired in this case. The UK student was jailed for posting he hoped somebody died. Gianturco is on film calling for somebody to be harrassed into suicide. If you can't draw a linkage between those stories then nothing much more I can do to educate you. Perhaps you should talk with that wannabe lawyer dude, who was pasting excerpts of the UK law, and fit your versions with one another? Because he's talking about harassment and you're quoting a case of inciting racial hatred. Aren't these distinct in the UK legislation?
Completely, if he had not used racial language there would have been no case against that student whatsoever.
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Rolf Wesselius
Seraph Innovations
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:13:00 -
[3574] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Rolf Wesselius wrote: Look Eve is know as a hive of scammers and griefers,Some people can deal with that. But what Mittani did is even being talked about on kotaku, Even with his apology this Ruined alot if not all goodwill we had with the majority of the gaming community. This could even **** over Dust 514. Sony is heavy anti cyber bullying if CCP does not do something about this Sony could not allow Dust 514 on Sen. Hell this could force heavy anti cyberbullying rules in eve if sony forces it on CCP.
I just looked at the front page of Kotaku, theres a lot of stuff about how anime characters are sexy, a bit of Assassin's Creed III coverage oh and if I scroll way down in a side panel theres one poorly researched (again, twitter as a primary source) article. The resignation or non-resignation of The Mittani will likely have a negligible impact on any decision Sony makes. The continued spreading of misinformation and outright lies by short sighted morons with a grudge will do way more damage. I dont care about his resignation im talking about the stuff in eve that can be seen as cyber bullying as a whole this just brought it up. Remember if Sony even feels like it they can kill dust 514 and demand all the development money they invested back from CCP. Even if this is small they can see not acting against this as not giving a damn about cyber bullying and kill dust 514. Im just saying.You look like the smartest goon around so just think about it if this debacle even slightly offends Sony Dust 514 is ******.
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:16:00 -
[3575] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Please educate us as to where "racial hatred" was inspired in this case. The UK student was jailed for posting he hoped somebody died. Gianturco is on film calling for somebody to be harrassed into suicide. If you can't draw a linkage between those stories then nothing much more I can do to educate you. Perhaps you should talk with that wannabe lawyer dude, who was pasting excerpts of the UK law, and fit your versions with one another? Because he's talking about harassment and you're quoting a case of inciting racial hatred. Aren't these distinct in the UK legislation?
Yes they are distinct in EU law. the racial harrassment part of ythe charge was due to the use of the N word. The breach of the communications act charge was the use of the internet to do so.
As for me being a wannabe lawyer no Im not but in my proffessional life I do have to deal with the impact of cyberbullying and yes I have had to deal with the fallout of suicide caused by bullying. I dont guve a damn about him being a goon, I give a damn about somthing that is utterly reprehensible.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
771
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:18:00 -
[3576] - Quote
He was elected by the Eve community to represent the Eve community.
As such, it is inappropriate for him to use a public stage to call for the harrassment of a member of that community and he should either resign or be removed. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1605
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:18:00 -
[3577] - Quote
Yeep wrote: In my opinion the apology was enough, the isk from his personal wallet was more than needed but if he felt he had to do it then I respect that. If you're unwilling to accept the apology as sincere (which I don't think is the case from your earlier posts but other people will read this) then theres a good chance you're a pitchfork carrying lynchmob and nothing anyone says will convince you until The Mittani hangs.
Well here's the thing: ISK from the wallet, whatever tbh, its small change, I've got more than that in my random faction ship fetish pot. Whether the apology is *enough* will depend on what people personally feel about it. For me it was "enough" as long as he carried through the rest of his twitter pledge and immediately resigned. It stops being "enough" if he goes back on that pledge and tries to cling to power regardless of the stink this will attract to the game as a whole.
Yeep wrote: I think if people with conflicting political agendas weren't trying their hardest to spread misinformation about this unfortunate event it would all have blown over days ago. Any sweeping game changes CCP has to make will be on their heads, not The Mittani's but again, nothing I say will convince them of that. I'd hope most of them are just too short sighted to see the likely consequences of their actions. Not to mention the extra harassment of the player in question that the publicity over this issue has caused (but thats good harassment right).
Well you are in cloud-cuckoo land to a degree if you think something like this was not always going to blow up. Fanfest had journalists from dozens of online magazines and a technology editor from the BBC present. Those people have a job that involves looking over the video presentations and giving comment. As journalists its their role to seek interesting stories. The fall of an internet spaceship politcian is an interesting story. Combine that with the hot-button issues of cyberbullying, twitter prosecutions, the "fight game" sexism row and you'll see we are in a climate where it was inevitable that Alexander Gianturco was going to make the newsheets. Eve as a game is going big-league, the CCP + SONY partnership and aiming at the world's biggest single universe is going to put it in the spotlight - and you literally can't have some drunken fratboy trust fund princess up on staging calling on people to be harrassed into suicide and that NOT be the story.
quote=Yeep] I also think (and theres plenty of evidence to support this right here in this thread) that a lot of the people calling for his resignation haven't even taken the time to think about the issues. Theres a massive bandwagon right now and a lot of people just like bandwagons.[/quote]
People understand the issues. Anyone with a child themselves can see issues with cyberbullying and peer pressure harrassment through email, i-phones, social media and such. And regarding this game - I don't think its a question of whether somebody playing eve will commit suicide - but when it happens. In my nine years playing this game I've met many fellow players with emotional issues, depressions, rl issues from post traumatic stress disorder to marital breakups to terminal disease to the whole spectrum of mental problems. Part of being a good CEO in this game is sometimes being a counciller to people having a pretty hard time in real life. This is more than a bandwagon, its possibly the reawakening of a bit of common sense and feeling that the leader of the player council needs some common sense too.
quote=Yeep] Finally I think kneejerk resignations are bad for society as a whole despite how trendy they are right now. The Mittani is good at being the chair of the CSM and a good CSM chair makes for a healthier Eve. Sure he should be punished, I'd be pretty chill with a temp ban and never being allowed to speak on the Alliance panel again but his resignation won't solve any actual problems.([/quote]
If he gets any kind of ban then he's disbarred from the CSM. Thats one of the rules of running for CSM. If CCP temp banned him 30days for this then he's also out of the CSM for good. But if they give him no kind of punishment whatsoever then anyone who has previously been temp-banned for this kind of harrassment (and there are many) would rightfully point and claim CCP corruption in favour of their CSM chair. Its a horrible situation that CCP have been put in - if they temp ban and kick Mittani off the csm the goons will go nuts and claim they just had 10,000 votes disenfranchised. If they do nothing then everyone else will believe that Goons run CCP by developer corruption and those dodgy contacts Mittani was always boasting of in his addresses.
The sensible solution and decent one is for Alexander Gianturco to simply come out now and resign. And I still hope he does this rather than continuing to drag all our reputations through the mud while doing immense damage to CCP's visibility in the gaming (and soon to be) mainstream media.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Valearx
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:18:00 -
[3578] - Quote
KanashiiKami wrote:
so now goons shall be famous for asking people to kill themselves ... ic ... i bet CCP loves the news coverage it gets ...
i have petitioned to CCP for lifetime all account ban for ... this ... alex person ...
me2:')o7m8 |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
136
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:19:00 -
[3579] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote: Karim your posting clearly shows that you havent understood the serious nature of this issue and you dont even have the vaguest empathy for someone being harrassed. I pity you.
You will have hard time convincing me that blowing up internet spaceships constitutes a harassment. Duh we all blow up internet spaceships thats a game. What we dont all do is incite other to harrass sombody so the kill themselves, on a public forum with a live stream on the internet. You see the difference or is basic comprehension of the facts too difficult for you?
Why don't you first settle on a single version and then we'll talk?
Does someone harassed someone else or someone allegedly incited a third party to harass someone else?
You seem to be making both claims, as evident from you first saying "someone being harassed" and then saying "incite other to harass somebody". |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
771
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:20:00 -
[3580] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:ExhumeToConsume wrote:Please educate us as to where "racial hatred" was inspired in this case. The UK student was jailed for posting he hoped somebody died. Gianturco is on film calling for somebody to be harrassed into suicide. If you can't draw a linkage between those stories then nothing much more I can do to educate you. Perhaps you should talk with that wannabe lawyer dude, who was pasting excerpts of the UK law, and fit your versions with one another? Because he's talking about harassment and you're quoting a case of inciting racial hatred. Aren't these distinct in the UK legislation? Yes they are distinct in EU law. the racial harrassment part of ythe charge was due to the use of the N word. The breach of the communications act charge was the use of the internet to do so. As for me being a wannabe lawyer no Im not but in my proffessional life I do have to deal with the impact of cyberbullying and yes I have had to deal with the fallout of suicide caused by bullying. I dont guve a damn about him being a goon, I give a damn about somthing that is utterly reprehensible.
There was also a recent case of someone in the UK going to jail after posting offensive comments on a dead girl's Facebook tribute. No racism was involved in this case.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
124
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:21:00 -
[3581] - Quote
Rolf Wesselius wrote: I dont care about his resignation im talking about the stuff in eve that can be seen as cyber bullying as a whole this just brought it up. Remember if Sony even feels like it they can kill dust 514 and demand all the development money they invested back from CCP. Even if this is small they can see not acting against this as not giving a damn about cyber bullying and kill dust 514. Im just saying.You look like the smartest goon around so just think about it if this debacle even slightly offends Sony Dust 514 is ******.
Its a little insulting to the intelligence of both CCP and Sony to suggest that they don't both already know what kind of game Eve is. Entering into a business agreement with a company where you have to hope they don't do any research into your primary product is a terrible idea. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1605
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:22:00 -
[3582] - Quote
Zagdul wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Implying Implications wrote:People are taking this too far. If it wasn't a goon who said this nobody would have a problem. Why don't you try to put aside your goonish clan identity for a moment and lets talk as adult players of this game. I'm not saying Alexander Gianturco should be prosecuted in real or extradited to iceland or england or whatnot. I'm not saying eve online should become a politically-correct utopia where nobody says boo to a goose. I once caused a mini scandal myself for saying rude things about Verone when I was CSM chair for heaven's sake - I'm no saint. But I didn't use my position on stage at fanfest as a bully pulpit to call for the harrassment of a fellow gamer. I think if we were to meet face to face and share a quiet pint and talk this over you'd agree it went too far and now Gianturco needs to resign for the good of the game. A lot of goon players in this thread seem to be turning it into a persecution complex "its just because he was a goon". It really isn't. Its simply because he had a responsibility to represent this game as an ambassador to the watching media and he flunked it badly. I personally am happy to see Mittani continue to be allowed to play this game. But there has to be some sanction for what he did and if he's not prepared to take responsibility and do the decent thing as Alexander Gianturco and resign then he needs to be pushed out. Eve Online now needs to send a message that certain kinds of out of game harrassment and cyber bullying need to be stamped out. He didn't use his position either. It was the alliance panel. The CSM panel he handled himself well.
And yet media is reporting this as "CSM chair calls to harrass eve player into suicide." The reality is he has a huge media reputation from his role as CSM chair and its absolutely silly to suggest otherwise. If he was just some random drunken alliance leader calling on somebody to be harrassed into suicide he should still be punished but it wouldn't be as embarrassing for eve online since he wouldn't be directly representing the player base (just his own unfortunate alliance members)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:22:00 -
[3583] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: The sensible solution and decent one is for Alexander Gianturco to simply come out now and resign. And I still hope he does this rather than continuing to drag all our reputations through the mud while doing immense damage to CCP's visibility in the gaming (and soon to be) mainstream media.
That's just not going to happen. It requires no small amount of effort both in and out of game to achieve what he has done - and it is an achievement he is extremely proud of. He's simply not going to give it up willingly despite (or in spite of) what he tweeted. |
Rolf Wesselius
Seraph Innovations
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:23:00 -
[3584] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Rolf Wesselius wrote: I dont care about his resignation im talking about the stuff in eve that can be seen as cyber bullying as a whole this just brought it up. Remember if Sony even feels like it they can kill dust 514 and demand all the development money they invested back from CCP. Even if this is small they can see not acting against this as not giving a damn about cyber bullying and kill dust 514. Im just saying.You look like the smartest goon around so just think about it if this debacle even slightly offends Sony Dust 514 is ******.
Its a little insulting to the intelligence of both CCP and Sony to suggest that they don't both already know what kind of game Eve is. Entering into a business agreement with a company where you have to hope they don't do any research into your primary product is a terrible idea. Do you honestly think that this which could blow up into a cyberbullying case honestly will not tarnish eve's reputation. |
evereplicant
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:23:00 -
[3585] - Quote
Wow 176 pages is this the longest threadnaught in eves history?
So what is the conclusion? When is CCP going to officially say anything more about Alex (im sayiong Alex as in the person rather than Mittani the character, becuase we are dealing with a real person here) Is there actually going to be a decision on resigning or not? |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:23:00 -
[3586] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote: Karim your posting clearly shows that you havent understood the serious nature of this issue and you dont even have the vaguest empathy for someone being harrassed. I pity you.
You will have hard time convincing me that blowing up internet spaceships constitutes a harassment. Duh we all blow up internet spaceships thats a game. What we dont all do is incite other to harrass sombody so the kill themselves, on a public forum with a live stream on the internet. You see the difference or is basic comprehension of the facts too difficult for you? Why don't you first settle on a single version and then we'll talk? Does someone harassed someone else or someone allegedly incited a third party to harass someone else? You seem to be making both claims, as evident from you first saying "someone being harassed" and then saying "incite other to harass somebody".
Are you really so simple that you dont understand people can be tried under multiple charges and sentenced for them in one case? The racial element was only part of the case. The use of twitter was another. Come on its not that difficult a concept to understand. |
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
28
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:24:00 -
[3587] - Quote
Questions.
Why the hell does it matter to all of you at this point.
BOTH SIDES have said their piece. Mittani Offered up an apology and he is STILL being skull raped by it. The WIS was on Big Country's show yesterday/Last night on EVE radio and gave his two bits.
I would actually contend that at THIS Point in time, You all are hellworthy guilty of doing EXACTLY THE SAME F***ING THING Alex did. That being Cyberbullying someone into doing something. Anyone who disagrees with me can kindly STFU.
Any of you calling for any punishment towards Alex is wrong, You are vilifying Mittani, and through him his player. Yes Mittani is an ass, and a fuckwit, that is Mittani, do you expect anything else? Alex offered up an apology because he had a lapse in judgement while drinking, SHOCK, PEOPLE DO STUPID **** WHILE DRINKING! maybe we should make drinking while playing EVE a bannable offence and a violation of TOS? It is not your decision on what punishment Alex may or may not receive, it is up to CCP on what to do about this.
That. Is. All. |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
110
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:25:00 -
[3588] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:TheButcherPete wrote:Mittens resigning from the CSM CHANGES NOTHING.
Don't resign Mittani! So you would like him ban hammered? Thats a bit harsh don't you think or are you suggesting CCP makes real life threats acceptable or is it that as the CSM chairman you believe he should be able to do what ever he wants without consequences?
I don't think he should be banned either. This is EVE, a merciless, harsh universe with zero compassion. HTFU. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:28:00 -
[3589] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:You idiots claiming that mittani should be permabanned need to read the ToS / EULA
NOTHING WAS DONE IN EVE ONLINE, THUS IT IS NOT COVERED BY THE EULA / ToS
WI used to be a cool Alliance what happened? just a pet corp posting for their fuhrer now, its so sad. |
Krutoj
xSPECNAZx
146
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:30:00 -
[3590] - Quote
This publicity is soo awesome |
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ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:30:00 -
[3591] - Quote
So we've got one case of inciting racial hatred so far and now apparently multiple cases where the Larping one used YouTube, Twitter and Facebook in a sustained campaign against multiple targets.
I hope he gets the chair. |
Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
90
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:30:00 -
[3592] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Orkasm wrote:You idiots claiming that mittani should be permabanned need to read the ToS / EULA
NOTHING WAS DONE IN EVE ONLINE, THUS IT IS NOT COVERED BY THE EULA / ToS WI used to be a cool Alliance what happened? just a pet corp posting for their fuhrer now, its so sad.
WI was never a cool alliance, dont lie
<3 |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:32:00 -
[3593] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Orkasm wrote:You idiots claiming that mittani should be permabanned need to read the ToS / EULA
NOTHING WAS DONE IN EVE ONLINE, THUS IT IS NOT COVERED BY THE EULA / ToS WI used to be a cool Alliance what happened? just a pet corp posting for their fuhrer now, its so sad.
I agree, kick WI(dot) |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1606
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:33:00 -
[3594] - Quote
Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:Questions.
Why the hell does it matter to all of you at this point.
I'll tell you one reason. In 2008 I was CSM chair and got filmed in the role at fanfest and quoted in the position in newspapers from London, New York, Paris, Amsterdam, Iceland etc. I got interviewed by the BBC and its still on record.
The following year I did a contract interview where this stuff was discovered by a background checking agency that linked my newspaper appearences to my panel as Jade Constantine the space anarchist terrorist doing an alliance panel presentation. They asked me what it was all about.
I explained Eve Online to them and being the world's first elected spaceship politican. They thought it was pretty cool and I got the contract.
This year somebody checks my background and cross references with EVE CSM and they are going to see a drunken fratboy slurring out inducements to harrassment and urging gamers to get someone to commit suicide on youtube.
And thats precisely what I mean about bringing the game into disrepute. Whether CCP come out of this well or extremely badly is going to depend on how Alexander Gianturco is punished and whether he jumps or is pushed out of the CSM chair.
Here's the reality for people. Once you step out behind that computer console and get up on stage in front of the media there are consequences for your action and behaviour and I would have thought Gianturco would have understood that with his legal background at least.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:33:00 -
[3595] - Quote
See... I don't have a horse in this race, but it's things like this are going to elicit an anti-goon sentiment:
Quote: 92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
136
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:34:00 -
[3596] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
You will have hard time convincing me that blowing up internet spaceships constitutes a harassment.
Duh we all blow up internet spaceships thats a game. What we dont all do is incite other to harrass sombody so the kill themselves, on a public forum with a live stream on the internet. You see the difference or is basic comprehension of the facts too difficult for you? Why don't you first settle on a single version and then we'll talk? Does someone harassed someone else or someone allegedly incited a third party to harass someone else? You seem to be making both claims, as evident from you first saying "someone being harassed" and then saying "incite other to harass somebody". Are you really so simple that you dont understand people can be tried under multiple charges and sentenced for them in one case? The racial element was only part of the case. The use of twitter was another. Come on its not that difficult a concept to understand.
You seem to be reading your script without paying much attention to what you are replying to.
It's me asking you about your opinion what has happened - harassment, incite to harassment, both or something else - and you're answering "people can be tried under multiple charges and sentenced for them in one case".
I suggest you improve you communication and logical reasoning skills, because they are severely lacking. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:38:00 -
[3597] - Quote
The F Word wrote:See... I don't have a horse in this race, but it's things like this are going to elicit an anti-goon sentiment: Quote: 92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
This is a fake. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1022709#post1022709
(PS Jade you should probably edit the post to mention that.) |
Bob McGenericname
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:38:00 -
[3598] - Quote
The F Word wrote:See... I don't have a horse in this race, but it's things like this are going to elicit an anti-goon sentiment: Quote: 92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
How is it that people are still reading the fake jabber broadcast, skipping over the part where it was posted at 92:46 AM, not bothering to check to see if anyone has claimed it's a fake (it totally is, Jade made it) and still posting it like they're providing content idgi |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:38:00 -
[3599] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:Questions.
Why the hell does it matter to all of you at this point. I'll tell you one reason. In 2008 I was CSM chair and got filmed in the role at fanfest and quoted in the position in newspapers from London, New York, Paris, Amsterdam, Iceland etc. I got interviewed by the BBC and its still on record. The following year I did a contract interview where this stuff was discovered by a background checking agency that linked my newspaper appearences to my panel as Jade Constantine the space anarchist terrorist doing an alliance panel presentation. They asked me what it was all about. I explained Eve Online to them and being the world's first elected spaceship politican. They thought it was pretty cool and I got the contract. This year somebody checks my background and cross references with EVE CSM and they are going to see a drunken fratboy slurring out inducements to harrassment and urging gamers to get someone to commit suicide on youtube. And thats precisely what I mean about bringing the game into disrepute. Whether CCP come out of this well or extremely badly is going to depend on how Alexander Gianturco is punished and whether he jumps or is pushed out of the CSM chair. Here's the reality for people. Once you step out behind that computer console and get up on stage in front of the media there are consequences for your action and behaviour and I would have thought Gianturco would have understood that with his legal background at least.
Maybe you should have told your employers that you were a useless **** while being on the CSM, they would have liked you even more.
"My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1607
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:39:00 -
[3600] - Quote
Orkasm wrote:You idiots claiming that mittani should be permabanned need to read the ToS / EULA
NOTHING WAS DONE IN EVE ONLINE, THUS IT IS NOT COVERED BY THE EULA / ToS
you know something else thats in the tos and eula. They can boot you out any time they feel like it:
Quote: CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userGÇÖs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.
We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.
Thats the catch all for removing anyone they want regardless of barrackroom laywers trying to slide between the spaces.
Bottom line. CCP can delete his accounts and IP ban him any time they like and there is no legal comeback. Just like any other player.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1607
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:40:00 -
[3601] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:The F Word wrote:See... I don't have a horse in this race, but it's things like this are going to elicit an anti-goon sentiment: Quote: 92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
This is a fake. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1022709#post1022709(PS Jade you should probably edit the post to mention that.)
yeah perhaps you are right. I'll do it.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Haun Xling
FED UPS
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:40:00 -
[3602] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Haun Xling wrote:Personaly. anyone can write out an apology saying im sorry for being a douche, but can one honestly make a video of them saying all the words he had written for an apology to the eve community On a Video. While manageing to keep a straight face. so we know for sure he isnt bullsh*tting ? Do you think for even a second that anyone who doesn't already believe his sincerity would change their mind? Here, I'll spoil what they'd say for you "He was acting"
It's easy for him to manipulate people whom are in his alliance into beliveing what he wants them to hear. Then again all goons are easily preswated, Your all lap dogs to the mittani, bet if he put kibble in his hands you guys would eat it from his hand.
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The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:41:00 -
[3603] - Quote
Bob McGenericname wrote:The F Word wrote:See... I don't have a horse in this race, but it's things like this are going to elicit an anti-goon sentiment: Quote: 92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
How is it that people are still reading the fake jabber broadcast, skipping over the part where it was posted at 92:46 AM, not bothering to check to see if anyone has claimed it's a fake (it totally is, Jade made it) and still posting it like they're providing content idgi
I retract my statement regarding the fake Jabber post above. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
125
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:41:00 -
[3604] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Well here's the thing: ISK from the wallet, whatever tbh, its small change, I've got more than that in my random faction ship fetish pot. Whether the apology is *enough* will depend on what people personally feel about it. For me it was "enough" as long as he carried through the rest of his twitter pledge and immediately resigned. It stops being "enough" if he goes back on that pledge and tries to cling to power regardless of the stink this will attract to the game as a whole.
So because you have more internet space money, someone else giving all of theirs away has less meaning? And since when has anything posted on Twitter been a "pledge".
Jade Constantine wrote: Well you are in cloud-cuckoo land to a degree if you think something like this was not always going to blow up. Fanfest had journalists from dozens of online magazines and a technology editor from the BBC present. Those people have a job that involves looking over the video presentations and giving comment. As journalists its their role to seek interesting stories. The fall of an internet spaceship politcian is an interesting story. Combine that with the hot-button issues of cyberbullying, twitter prosecutions, the "fight game" sexism row and you'll see we are in a climate where it was inevitable that Alexander Gianturco was going to make the newsheets. Eve as a game is going big-league, the CCP + SONY partnership and aiming at the world's biggest single universe is going to put it in the spotlight - and you literally can't have some drunken fratboy trust fund princess up on staging calling on people to be harrassed into suicide and that NOT be the story.
If the BBC's technology editor was there, wheres the BBC news article? I don't even see a blog post and the BBC ***** those out over completely trivial issues.
Jade Constantine wrote: People understand the issues. Anyone with a child themselves can see issues with cyberbullying and peer pressure harrassment through email, i-phones, social media and such. And regarding this game - I don't think its a question of whether somebody playing eve will commit suicide - but when it happens. In my nine years playing this game I've met many fellow players with emotional issues, depressions, rl issues from post traumatic stress disorder to marital breakups to terminal disease to the whole spectrum of mental problems. Part of being a good CEO in this game is sometimes being a counciller to people having a pretty hard time in real life. This is more than a bandwagon, its possibly the reawakening of a bit of common sense and feeling that the leader of the player council needs some common sense too.
Really? A think of the children post? Ignoring the fact that both parties in this case were well into adulthood its hardly CCP's job to protect your child from inappropriate content. Thats what the ESRB rating on the box is for. Solving the issue of helicopter parenting is way beyond the scope of this discussion.
Jade Constantine wrote:If he gets any kind of ban then he's disbarred from the CSM. Thats one of the rules of running for CSM. If CCP temp banned him 30days for this then he's also out of the CSM for good. But if they give him no kind of punishment whatsoever then anyone who has previously been temp-banned for this kind of harrassment (and there are many) would rightfully point and claim CCP corruption in favour of their CSM chair. Its a horrible situation that CCP have been put in - if they temp ban and kick Mittani off the csm the goons will go nuts and claim they just had 10,000 votes disenfranchised. If they do nothing then everyone else will believe that Goons run CCP by developer corruption and those dodgy contacts Mittani was always boasting of in his addresses.
The whitepaper says they can be excluded, not they must, meaning CCP reserve the right to refuse you because of a ban. Even then its an arbitrary rule that could easily be overturned.
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Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:41:00 -
[3605] - Quote
Jack Parr wrote:This is the best goon scam of the year. Can't wait to see the goons posting 6 months from now bragging how they got away with this. I bet he'll outdo himself next year at fan fest.
We already ordered gay icelandic prostitutes who will have live sex during the panel. Let's see how that will go over. "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Datdaar Vanmestvaalt
Muggers Inc.
15
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:42:00 -
[3606] - Quote
Implying Implications wrote:People are taking this too far. If it wasn't a goon who said this nobody would have a problem. If it wasn't a goon who said this Goons would probably MAKE a problem out of it, for lulz and for what they are. Besides that, if a less influential and less (in)famous EvE personality had said something similar on a publicly broadcasted event, that person would most likely have a (temp) ban on his/her hand.
Having said that, given the fact Alex Gianturco as the player behind the Mittani has personally and publicly apologised and the player he made his remarks at is ok with that and in good health, I would say leave it at that and let it rest.
This has been a nice storm in a small glass of water, time to empty the glass so we can put something stronger in it...;-) |
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:42:00 -
[3607] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:He was elected by the Eve community to represent the Eve community. As such, it is inappropriate for him to use a public stage to call for the harrassment of a member of that community and he should either resign or be removed. and
The F Word wrote:See... I don't have a horse in this race, but it's things like this are going to elicit an anti-goon sentiment: Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** The above pretty much sum up my opinion. The Mittani overstepped the line and when he realised he stated he would do the right thing and apologise, give isk to the 'victim' and resign from the CSM. First two are apparently done and now he is trying to back out of the last.
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
322
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:43:00 -
[3608] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Quote:CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userGÇÖs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.
We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation. Thats the catch all for removing anyone they want regardless of barrackroom laywers trying to slide between the spaces. Bottom line. CCP can delete his accounts and IP ban him any time they like and there is no legal comeback. Just like any other player. They can do that with you too. Does that make you a villain? |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
64
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:44:00 -
[3609] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:Jack Parr wrote:This is the best goon scam of the year. Can't wait to see the goons posting 6 months from now bragging how they got away with this. I bet he'll outdo himself next year at fan fest. We already ordered gay icelandic prostitutes who will have live sex during the panel. Let's see how that will go over. Probably better that this. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:45:00 -
[3610] - Quote
Arrs Grazznic wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:He was elected by the Eve community to represent the Eve community. As such, it is inappropriate for him to use a public stage to call for the harrassment of a member of that community and he should either resign or be removed. and The F Word wrote:See... I don't have a horse in this race, but it's things like this are going to elicit an anti-goon sentiment: Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** The above pretty much sum up my opinion. The Mittani overstepped the line and when he realised he stated he would do the right thing and apologise, give isk to the 'victim' and resign from the CSM. First two are apparently done and now he is trying to back out of the last.
Read a few posts up, the Jabber posting is a fake. Seriously, people, I'm sure CCP and the CSM will announce something when they've properly gone over this. Any internet-lawyering and such is pretty much just idle speculation!
This thread should be about Roadhouse again. |
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:46:00 -
[3611] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:
You will have hard time convincing me that blowing up internet spaceships constitutes a harassment.
Duh we all blow up internet spaceships thats a game. What we dont all do is incite other to harrass sombody so the kill themselves, on a public forum with a live stream on the internet. You see the difference or is basic comprehension of the facts too difficult for you? Why don't you first settle on a single version and then we'll talk? Does someone harassed someone else or someone allegedly incited a third party to harass someone else? You seem to be making both claims, as evident from you first saying "someone being harassed" and then saying "incite other to harass somebody". Are you really so simple that you dont understand people can be tried under multiple charges and sentenced for them in one case? The racial element was only part of the case. The use of twitter was another. Come on its not that difficult a concept to understand. You seem to be reading your script without paying much attention to what you are replying to. It's me asking you about your opinion what has happened - harassment, incite to harassment, both or something else - and you're answering "people can be tried under multiple charges and sentenced for them in one case". I suggest you improve you communication and logical reasoning skills, because they are severely lacking.
Given your second sentence fails grammatically to make any sort of sense critcising my communication is so lol.
Are you asking me about the Muamba case? lets take a look at your qwuestion again shall we and break it down a little bit,
"Does someone harassed someone else or someone allegedly incited a third party to harass someone else?"
Now Im sure you were taught about tenses at school so your first word is it supposed to be does or did?
The first section of the sentence, "does someone harrassed someone else" Should that be did someone harrrass somone else? At the moment you are confusing you tenses.
followed by "or somone allegedly incited a third party to harrass somone else"
Why dont you start again take a deep breath and tey and write a legible question with the correct tenses and possibly even some punctuation so that others can discern what you actually mean. Is it so difficult?
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Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:46:00 -
[3612] - Quote
Arrs Grazznic wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:He was elected by the Eve community to represent the Eve community. As such, it is inappropriate for him to use a public stage to call for the harrassment of a member of that community and he should either resign or be removed. and The F Word wrote:See... I don't have a horse in this race, but it's things like this are going to elicit an anti-goon sentiment: Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** The above pretty much sum up my opinion. The Mittani overstepped the line and when he realised he stated he would do the right thing and apologise, give isk to the 'victim' and resign from the CSM. First two are apparently done and now he is trying to back out of the last.
And even in the Twitter he meant he would resign as chairman, not from the CSM, as his wife actually told us as he was posting that *gasp* "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
249
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:47:00 -
[3613] - Quote
So after 177 pages what have we learned?
Most non goons think he should at least step down as chair, some wanting him to leave CSM completely very few suggesting he needs to be banned.
Most goons and friends defending him to the end, as it should be, from denying any wrong doing has been done, to saying the apology is enough.
My conclusion, CCP and CSM are taking too long to settle this issue!
This should have been resolved by now!
One group here is going be pissed off and will probably start a whole new thread, or worse, when this matter is settled. Lets get on with it. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:47:00 -
[3614] - Quote
So:
Who in this thread knows about ROWSDOWER? "My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
136
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:48:00 -
[3615] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:(PS Jade you should probably edit the post to mention that.) yeah perhaps you are right. I'll do it.
Not in a moment did we think of it other than as of jest and satire, let alone as a cyber-bullying The Mittani.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1610
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:48:00 -
[3616] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:Questions.
Why the hell does it matter to all of you at this point. I'll tell you one reason. In 2008 I was CSM chair and got filmed in the role at fanfest and quoted in the position in newspapers from London, New York, Paris, Amsterdam, Iceland etc. I got interviewed by the BBC and its still on record. The following year I did a contract interview where this stuff was discovered by a background checking agency that linked my newspaper appearences to my panel as Jade Constantine the space anarchist terrorist doing an alliance panel presentation. They asked me what it was all about. I explained Eve Online to them and being the world's first elected spaceship politican. They thought it was pretty cool and I got the contract. This year somebody checks my background and cross references with EVE CSM and they are going to see a drunken fratboy slurring out inducements to harrassment and urging gamers to get someone to commit suicide on youtube. And thats precisely what I mean about bringing the game into disrepute. Whether CCP come out of this well or extremely badly is going to depend on how Alexander Gianturco is punished and whether he jumps or is pushed out of the CSM chair. Here's the reality for people. Once you step out behind that computer console and get up on stage in front of the media there are consequences for your action and behaviour and I would have thought Gianturco would have understood that with his legal background at least. Maybe you should have told your employers that you were a useless **** while being on the CSM, they would have liked you even more.
The evidence of complete success was in the newspapers to immortalise it :)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
67
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 12:50:00 -
[3617] - Quote
Arrs Grazznic wrote: The above pretty much sum up my opinion. The Mittani overstepped the line and when he realised he stated he would do the right thing and apologise, give isk to the 'victim' and resign from the CSM. First two are apparently done and now he is trying to back out of the last.
It's a fake produced by one Jade Constantine who lied by omission in not pointing out it's a forgery. Fancy that, a self-appointed players rep and former CSM chair deliberately lying on an Internet forum in order to harrass a real life person. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:50:00 -
[3618] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:Jack Parr wrote:This is the best goon scam of the year. Can't wait to see the goons posting 6 months from now bragging how they got away with this. I bet he'll outdo himself next year at fan fest. We already ordered gay icelandic prostitutes who will have live sex during the panel. Let's see how that will go over. Probably better that this. I'd order The HD stream. |
Bob McGenericname
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:54:00 -
[3619] - Quote
Arrs Grazznic wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:He was elected by the Eve community to represent the Eve community. As such, it is inappropriate for him to use a public stage to call for the harrassment of a member of that community and he should either resign or be removed. and The F Word wrote:See... I don't have a horse in this race, but it's things like this are going to elicit an anti-goon sentiment: Quote:92:46:27 AM) directorbot: Gentlegoons, While I have the spaceship council work on their pleas for my resignation pledge retraction I need my "lolapology thread" locked or otherwise removed from front page. Till further notice spam Roadhouse references until publord scum rage out and burn the thread.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** The above pretty much sum up my opinion. The Mittani overstepped the line and when he realised he stated he would do the right thing and apologise, give isk to the 'victim' and resign from the CSM. First two are apparently done and now he is trying to back out of the last.
How is it that you went far enough back to quote Rodj but didn't scroll up half a page to find out that the jabber leak is a fake? Seriously, there are 3 posts about it on this very page |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:54:00 -
[3620] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:Questions.
Why the hell does it matter to all of you at this point. I'll tell you one reason. In 2008 I was CSM chair and got filmed in the role at fanfest and quoted in the position in newspapers from London, New York, Paris, Amsterdam, Iceland etc. I got interviewed by the BBC and its still on record. The following year I did a contract interview where this stuff was discovered by a background checking agency that linked my newspaper appearences to my panel as Jade Constantine the space anarchist terrorist doing an alliance panel presentation. They asked me what it was all about. I explained Eve Online to them and being the world's first elected spaceship politican. They thought it was pretty cool and I got the contract. This year somebody checks my background and cross references with EVE CSM and they are going to see a drunken fratboy slurring out inducements to harrassment and urging gamers to get someone to commit suicide on youtube. And thats precisely what I mean about bringing the game into disrepute. Whether CCP come out of this well or extremely badly is going to depend on how Alexander Gianturco is punished and whether he jumps or is pushed out of the CSM chair. Here's the reality for people. Once you step out behind that computer console and get up on stage in front of the media there are consequences for your action and behaviour and I would have thought Gianturco would have understood that with his legal background at least. Maybe you should have told your employers that you were a useless **** while being on the CSM, they would have liked you even more. The evidence of the success was in the newspapers :)
Yeah, a non gaming related news outlet reporting about the csm can surely judge your non-existant achievements. Everyone knows that you were by far the worst CSM chair. Even Issler's CSM 2 somehow managed to do better.
"My rule is: If you meet the weakest vessel, attack; if it is a vessel equal to yours, attack; and if it is stronger than yours, also attack..." - Admiral Stepan O. Makarov |
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SOV Diplomat
Soveriegn HR Holdings
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:55:00 -
[3621] - Quote
resign resign resign..
what you did was wrong.. and you should feel horrible and send him twenty bill to make him feel better.
or just resign. |
Kehro Urgus
248
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:56:00 -
[3622] - Quote
Patrick Swayze would do the honourable thing and resign. You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1612
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:58:00 -
[3623] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote: Yeah, a non gaming related news outlet reporting about the csm can surely judge your non-existant achievements. Everyone knows that you were by far the worst CSM chair. Even Issler's CSM 2 somehow managed to do better.
I've always wondered about how you judge failure really. I mean, everything aside from destructible stations that I ran for got into the game development queue (and those are apparently coming now). I managed to conduct the council as chair with excellent press from the media throughout, and I controlled some pretty terrible goon csm delegates and prevented them ruining the process. Made it to the end of my term and gave a presentation at fanfest without getting falling down drunk and embarrassing every player of eve online in the media.
Doesn't really sound much like a "failure to me"
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.03.28 12:59:00 -
[3624] - Quote
Dear Temulkar Whatever,
The correct grammar is only a part of the successful communication, not even the most important part.
The most important part is the will to communicate. Which is clearly absent in your case.
My less than perfect use of past tense is still easily understandable had one actually wanted to understand it.
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Tiberius Murderhorne
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:02:00 -
[3625] - Quote
CCP lock this thread for the love of anything...... its just mental now......
I didn't even know we had pitchforks and burning torches in eve! CCP Fix Faction War!! - Soo much potential! sooo much awesome! Sort it!
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:03:00 -
[3626] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Dear Temulkar Whatever,
The correct grammar is only a part of the successful communication, not even the most important part.
The most important part is the will to communicate. Which is clearly absent in your case.
My less than perfect use of past tense is still easily understandable had one actually wanted to understand it.
If you wish to ask a question then it needs to make some sense if it doesnt I cannot answer it for you. I am happy to discuss with you the recent cases in the uk if only you would communicate what you wish to know?
It is clearly a failure of mine that I fail to understand poorly worded and structured sentencees. I was brainwashed at school into believing questions should be phrased in a way the person answering could understand.
So ask your question and I will respond if its legible. |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:04:00 -
[3627] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Doctor Eezee wrote: Yeah, a non gaming related news outlet reporting about the csm can surely judge your non-existant achievements. Everyone knows that you were by far the worst CSM chair. Even Issler's CSM 2 somehow managed to do better.
I've always wondered about how you judge failure really. I mean, everything aside from destructible stations that I ran for got into the game development queue (and those are apparently coming now). I managed to conduct the council as chair with excellent press from the media throughout, and I controlled some pretty terrible goon csm delegates and prevented them ruining the process. Made it to the end of my term and gave a presentation at fanfest without getting falling down drunk and embarrassing every player of eve online in the media. Doesn't really sound much like a "failure to me"
Sounds like a pretty successful run to me, besides the stray "getting" that doesn't really make sense in the second to last sentence :D |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
80
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:06:00 -
[3628] - Quote
The answer is simple
We kill the Mittani Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:07:00 -
[3629] - Quote
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:The answer is simple
We kill the Mittani [sarcasm]I am led to believe if we keep posting he may kill himself...[/] |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:09:00 -
[3630] - Quote
Rumour is he suicide ganked himself in Iceland. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:10:00 -
[3631] - Quote
Arrs Grazznic wrote:Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:The answer is simple
We kill the Mittani [sarcasm]I am led to believe if we keep posting he may kill himself...[/] Goons or us publords? |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:11:00 -
[3632] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Rumour is he suicide ganked himself in Iceland. QFT |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1614
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:13:00 -
[3633] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Arrs Grazznic wrote:Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:The answer is simple
We kill the Mittani [sarcasm]I am led to believe if we keep posting he may kill himself...[/] Goons or us publords?
you know you want one!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
624
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:13:00 -
[3634] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Dear Temulkar Whatever,
The correct grammar is only a part of the successful communication, not even the most important part.
The most important part is the will to communicate. Which is clearly absent in your case.
My less than perfect use of past tense is still easily understandable had one actually wanted to understand it.
If you wish to ask a question then it needs to make some sense if it doesnt I cannot answer it for you. I am happy to discuss with you the recent cases in the uk if only you would communicate what you wish to know? It is clearly a failure of mine that I fail to understand poorly worded and structured sentencees. I was brainwashed at school into believing questions should be phrased in a way the person answering could understand. So ask your question and I will respond if its legible. Read your critique of his "failed" post, and you will realize you failed worse than he did with grammar and spelling errors. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:14:00 -
[3635] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Dear Temulkar Whatever,
The correct grammar is only a part of the successful communication, not even the most important part.
The most important part is the will to communicate. Which is clearly absent in your case.
My less than perfect use of past tense is still easily understandable had one actually wanted to understand it.
If you wish to ask a question then it needs to make some sense if it doesnt I cannot answer it for you. I am happy to discuss with you the recent cases in the uk if only you would communicate what you wish to know? It is clearly a failure of mine that I fail to understand poorly worded and structured sentencees. I was brainwashed at school into believing questions should be phrased in a way the person answering could understand. So ask your question and I will respond if its legible. You missed out the apostrophe from - it's legible. Still want to correct grammar?
Ah josef or should I call you stalin? Personally I spend most of my life correcting spelling and grammar so would rather not have to do it here. I merely responded to someone complaining I hadnt answered their question. Grammatical mistakes are not the issue the incomprehnsible nature of the question was. As I said to Karim ask a question I can understand and I will answer. |
Luscius Uta
Killers of Paranoid Souls
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:14:00 -
[3636] - Quote
I wonder if he played EVE Online? I'm sure that he would fit well not just in Goons but in many other EVE Online corps and alliances. Because it does not matter to me to which corp Mittani belongs to, but I'm absolutely positive that there's a whole bunch of sociopaths in EVE (who might or just as well might not be Goonswarm members) who would gladly drove another player into suicide if they had such chance. Roleplaying a sociopath does not necessarily mean that you're not one in real life.
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Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:15:00 -
[3637] - Quote
The funniest part is that the more evidently biased people scramble to try ad justify this frankly unjustifiable behavior, and to advocate the fact that it shouldn't be punished or punished with leniency, the more ammo they give to the press to paint the eve community and the CSM negatively, basically forcing the hand of the CSM and of CCP to administer exemplary punishment to avoid that stigma and the subsequent PR debacle. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:18:00 -
[3638] - Quote
Mittani, you want "tough Eve" then walk the walk instead of bullying lone miners!
The current War Dec changes that make it billions of ISK to War Dec large corporations only protect large corporations from being War Dec'd.
Now, one of two things are true.
1.I believe the Goons when they claim "they don't care about being War Dec'd and other large corps don't either."
Well then, the "change" actually changes nothing! So you can scrap it.
2.I don't believe the Goons(cause you are all liars) and think you are protecting the most powerful corporations in Eve from being War Dec'd while allowing a three member noob corp to be War Dec'd.
This is so totally not in the spirit of Eve.
This is against the spirit of Eve that Mittani CLAIMS to believe in.
Remove the change. HTFU |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:18:00 -
[3639] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Arrs Grazznic wrote:Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:The answer is simple
We kill the Mittani [sarcasm]I am led to believe if we keep posting he may kill himself...[/] Goons or us publords? you know you want one! Want! Nao!
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
561
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:19:00 -
[3640] - Quote
I think the funniest part of all of this is that the CSM was created to stop a embarrassing PR situation getting out of hand and now years later the CSM (chairman) created an equally embarrassing awkward situation in terms of PR.
The depressing part is that this all casts an annoying shadow on so many good things that where said during Fanfest. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:21:00 -
[3641] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Mittani, you want "tough Eve" then walk the walk instead of bullying lone miners!
The current War Dec changes that make it billions of ISK to War Dec large corporations only protect large corporations from being War Dec'd.
Now, one of two things are true.
1.I believe the Goons when they claim "they don't care about being War Dec'd and other large corps don't either."
Well then, the "change" actually changes nothing! So you can scrap it.
2.I don't believe the Goons(cause you are all liars) and think you are protecting the most powerful corporations in Eve from being War Dec'd while allowing a three member noob corp to be War Dec'd.
This is so totally not in the spirit of Eve.
This is against the spirit of Eve that Mittani CLAIMS to believe in.
Remove the change. HTFU
To be fair if your in a null Alliance then war decs dont really affect you. Most people have out of corp alts if they need to get to jita and life in null is constant war. Either way its not relevant to th thread. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:21:00 -
[3642] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:The funniest part is that the more evidently biased people scramble to try ad justify this frankly unjustifiable behavior, and to advocate the fact that it shouldn't be punished or punished with leniency, the more ammo they give to the press to paint the eve community and the CSM negatively, basically forcing the hand of the CSM and of CCP to administer exemplary punishment to avoid that stigma and the subsequent PR debacle.
this guy's main flies a titan |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:23:00 -
[3643] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine
Ah josef or should I call you stalin? Personally I spend most of my life correcting spelling and grammar so would rather not have to do it here. I merely responded to someone complaining I hadnt answered their question. Grammatical mistakes are not the issue the incomprehnsible nature of the question was. As I said to Karim ask a question I can understand and I will answer
Wiki is your friend, right?
You may call me anything you wish.
As you spend a lot of time correcting spelling and grammar, I feel sure you did understand his post.
You were just being a **** and I called you for it.
Move on. |
Jita WillBurn
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:23:00 -
[3644] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Mittani, you want "tough Eve" then walk the walk instead of bullying lone miners!
The current War Dec changes that make it billions of ISK to War Dec large corporations only protect large corporations from being War Dec'd.
Now, one of two things are true.
1.I believe the Goons when they claim "they don't care about being War Dec'd and other large corps don't either."
Well then, the "change" actually changes nothing! So you can scrap it.
2.I don't believe the Goons(cause you are all liars) and think you are protecting the most powerful corporations in Eve from being War Dec'd while allowing a three member noob corp to be War Dec'd.
This is so totally not in the spirit of Eve.
This is against the spirit of Eve that Mittani CLAIMS to believe in.
Remove the change. HTFU
The change is needed.
However, I would only change one thing about it.. Make it based on the cost for either party.. Make it so that if it costs 5 bil to wardec an alliance, that it also costs the same for that alliance to wardec a tiny corp..
No one is going to waste that kind of isk war dec'n a noob corp unless there is something to gain from it and vice versa. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:24:00 -
[3645] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:The funniest part apart from this thread is that the more evidently biased people scramble to try ad justify this frankly unjustifiable behavior, and to advocate the fact that it shouldn't be punished or punished with leniency, the more ammo they give to the press to paint the eve community and the CSM negatively, basically forcing the hand of the CSM and of CCP to administer exemplary punishment to avoid that stigma and the subsequent PR debacle. Fixed. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:25:00 -
[3646] - Quote
Ciar Meara wrote:I think the funniest part of all of this is that the CSM was created to stop a embarrassing PR situation getting out of hand and now years later the CSM (chairman) created an equally embarrassing awkward situation in terms of PR.
The depressing part is that this all casts an annoying shadow on so many good things that where said during Fanfest. Isn't that the truth. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:29:00 -
[3647] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Temulkar Blaine,
Your posting clearly shows that not even you're not a lawyer, but also you don't have even a vague understanding of law.
also, lolUK.
Karim your posting clearly shows that you havent understood the serious nature of this issue and you dont even have the vaguest empathy for someone being harrassed. I pity you.
well the fun part is that mittens understand what the consequences may be for his blackout , with his law background i hope
all you "friends" of him makes it even worse for his case |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1357
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:30:00 -
[3648] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Mittani, you want "tough Eve" then walk the walk instead of bullying lone miners!
The current War Dec changes that make it billions of ISK to War Dec large corporations only protect large corporations from being War Dec'd.
Now, one of two things are true.
1.I believe the Goons when they claim "they don't care about being War Dec'd and other large corps don't either."
Well then, the "change" actually changes nothing! So you can scrap it.
2.I don't believe the Goons(cause you are all liars) and think you are protecting the most powerful corporations in Eve from being War Dec'd while allowing a three member noob corp to be War Dec'd.
This is so totally not in the spirit of Eve.
This is against the spirit of Eve that Mittani CLAIMS to believe in.
Remove the change. HTFU To be fair if your in a null Alliance then war decs dont really affect you. Most people have out of corp alts if they need to get to jita and life in null is constant war. Either way its not relevant to th thread.
Actually, it's entirely relevant. It shows quite clearly the motivations for many people to blow this thing out of proportion... and those motivations have little, if anything, to do with the alleged "Cyber Bullying" issue. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
37
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:34:00 -
[3649] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote: Temulkar Blaine
Ah josef or should I call you stalin? Personally I spend most of my life correcting spelling and grammar so would rather not have to do it here. I merely responded to someone complaining I hadnt answered their question. Grammatical mistakes are not the issue the incomprehnsible nature of the question was. As I said to Karim ask a question I can understand and I will answer
Wiki is your friend, right?
You may call me anything you wish.
As you spend a lot of time correcting spelling and grammar, I feel sure you did understand his post.
You were just being a **** and I called you for it.
Move on.
Honestly I didnt have a clue what the question was, Im trying not to be an **** here if I am failing I aplogise.
I knew that one without having to look it up its really not that obscure espescially given my job.
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doombreed52
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:34:00 -
[3650] - Quote
oh for gods sake will a dev lock this thread. come on im tired of this thread nuke it from orbit. all of you guys are awful. |
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Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:36:00 -
[3651] - Quote
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/345318/page/1
Mitanni be a man and resign now! |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:37:00 -
[3652] - Quote
doombreed52 wrote:oh for gods sake will a dev lock this thread. come on im tired of this thread nuke it from orbit. all of you guys are awful. I was going to spam you for wanting a thread closed because your tired of it but frankly I cant be bothered I'm tired. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
773
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:37:00 -
[3653] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Karim alRashid wrote:Dear Temulkar Whatever,
The correct grammar is only a part of the successful communication, not even the most important part.
The most important part is the will to communicate. Which is clearly absent in your case.
My less than perfect use of past tense is still easily understandable had one actually wanted to understand it.
If you wish to ask a question then it needs to make some sense if it doesnt I cannot answer it for you. I am happy to discuss with you the recent cases in the uk if only you would communicate what you wish to know? It is clearly a failure of mine that I fail to understand poorly worded and structured sentencees. I was brainwashed at school into believing questions should be phrased in a way the person answering could understand. So ask your question and I will respond if its legible. You missed out the apostrophe from - it's legible. Still want to correct grammar? Ah josef or should I call you stalin? Personally I spend most of my life correcting spelling and grammar so would rather not have to do it here. I merely responded to someone complaining I hadnt answered their question. Grammatical mistakes are not the issue the incomprehnsible nature of the question was. As I said to Karim ask a question I can understand and I will answer.
You might want to check your capitalisation of proper nouns and your spelling of incomprehensible. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:40:00 -
[3654] - Quote
Mods, please move these threads to Ships and Modules alongside the titan nerf thread where they belong. |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:40:00 -
[3655] - Quote
doombreed52 wrote:oh for gods sake will a dev lock this thread. come on im tired of this thread nuke it from orbit. all of you guys are awful.
The don't ******* read it. Just cause it doesn't suit you it does not mean that it does same for others. Learn to ******* think. Doesn't hurt |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:42:00 -
[3656] - Quote
Hi..........long pause.........Yes |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:42:00 -
[3657] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Mods, please move these threads to Ships and Modules alongside the titan nerf thread where they belong. You guys are really getting desperate. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Watooshi Makoochji
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:44:00 -
[3658] - Quote
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Personally I have nothing against you or your actions in game. It is a game and anything that happens in game should stay there. But with your public "flogging" of a fellow player you're supposto represent is completely uncalled for in any manner.
I will only give you any respect in game or IRL unless you withdraw from your current position as CSM chairman.
^ --- ^ This.
Until you step down, just meaningless words. |
Claus Krobotkin
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:45:00 -
[3659] - Quote
resign, you dont get to make such a public fuckup like this and walk away unscathed in politics. Using your screen-time and elect power to insult and demean someone is blah blah blah...
you get the idea.
C.
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TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
110
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:48:00 -
[3660] - Quote
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:The answer is simple
We kill the Mittani
Not quoting because I want this, quoting because of the epic reference. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:54:00 -
[3661] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Daviclond wrote:Mods, please move these threads to Ships and Modules alongside the titan nerf thread where they belong. You guys are really getting desperate.
The only desperation here is a bunch of caremad publords trying their damnedest to convince themselves that their opinion will have anything at all to do with whatever CCP/CSM/Mittens ends up doing. |
Dario Welling
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:56:00 -
[3662] - Quote
Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM.
i totally agree with you, there's absolutly no excuse for something like that, not only that you've done something really stupid, this reflects badly on the hole EVE Universe.
Step Down from CSM |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
110
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:58:00 -
[3663] - Quote
Dario Welling wrote:Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. i totally agree with you, there's absolutly no excuse for something like that, not only that you've done something really stupid, this reflects badly on the hole EVE Universe. Step Down from CSM
lol because EVE players are actively trying to please people who don't play the game. rofl My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Celtic Deamon
Blade Brotherhood
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:02:00 -
[3664] - Quote
I guess I'm part of Mitten's 10k+ for voting for him, but he did help lead CSM6 to save EVE. I think this whole thing is over and done. If the miner knows that Alex is sorry and has accepted his apology, than why should he step down? The fact that this is blowing up in our community is why its being reported, just like Jita was last year. Lets move on to more important issues than drunk CSM chairman spews bullshit at fanfest. |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:04:00 -
[3665] - Quote
TheButcherPete wrote:Dario Welling wrote:Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. i totally agree with you, there's absolutly no excuse for something like that, not only that you've done something really stupid, this reflects badly on the hole EVE Universe. Step Down from CSM lol because EVE players are actively trying to please people who don't play the game. rofl
CCP already has your money, just who do you think they're after. Despite all of this 'back to the core' rhetoric, they are most certainly after new subscribers, just no longer at the expense of the current ones. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:05:00 -
[3666] - Quote
I wish the CSM would hurry up and announce that he's staying on, I can't wait to troll the **** out of all of you. |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:07:00 -
[3667] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:I wish the CSM would hurry up and announce that he's staying on, I can't wait to troll the **** out of all of you.
You illustrate a good point, this is a binary situation - one side will win and one side will lose. I'm guessing the answer is pretty clear cut - they're just biding time till low tide. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:12:00 -
[3668] - Quote
TheButcherPete wrote:Dario Welling wrote:Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. i totally agree with you, there's absolutly no excuse for something like that, not only that you've done something really stupid, this reflects badly on the hole EVE Universe. Step Down from CSM lol because EVE players are actively trying to please people who don't play the game. rofl
i could care less but CCP and sony ?
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1357
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:12:00 -
[3669] - Quote
Wait!
I log off to grab some sleep and I come back to see that Jade leaked a fake Jabber post or some such?
Damn it! I don't have time today to go back and catch up properly on this.
And did we even discuss how crappy it was that Sam Elliot had to die off screen?! That fight would have been epic to watch! When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:28:00 -
[3670] - Quote
edit : doublepost |
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GassyLassie
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:30:00 -
[3671] - Quote
yeah this apology is 100% BS you came very very prepared for that speech you gave. |
Sternin Mantur
Tecnicos Investigacion Aeroterraquea
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:37:00 -
[3672] - Quote
You are exactly how the video shows IRL, specially because you were drunk and that's when you really show your personality. Deal with it and try to learn how to drink a couple of beers and still behave. Cheers. |
Il Reverendo
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:38:00 -
[3673] - Quote
Ignoring all the moral posturing and butthurt opportunists, the only real problem I see is that the CSM not only represents the playerbase, but also in part CCP who have a corporate image and marketing strategy to preserve (in the uk at least online `bullying` is getting a lot of focus with prison sentences being handed out for online comments, we cant have ccp tarnished with this brush due to a **** who uses alcohol as an excuse for rank stupidity.)
As such mittens has got to go. |
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
53
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:39:00 -
[3674] - Quote
This thread is like the Energizer Bunny. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
70
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:44:00 -
[3675] - Quote
Sternin Mantur wrote:You are exactly how the video shows IRL,
And exactly how much time have you spent with Mittens IRL? |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:44:00 -
[3676] - Quote
Come back here after sleeping.
81 EXTRA PAGES.
What the hell is wrong with you all?
If it wasn't for work, I would be sitting in the glorious sun in Southern England, no doubt having a BBQ and drinking a milkshake. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
122
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:45:00 -
[3677] - Quote
Small word to many ppl posting in this thread, and that includes all sides of the argument;
Alex/The Mittani/Mittens dropped character in his post, the first one, many of you didn't and it's doing a whole lot more harm than good to anyone, including yourselves. |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:48:00 -
[3678] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:Small word to many ppl posting in this thread, and that includes all sides of the argument;
Alex/The Mittani/Mittens dropped character in his post, the first one, many of you didn't and it's doing a whole lot more harm than good to all parties involved, including yourselves.
Unfortunately he dropped character at Fanfest, and that is exactly the problem. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:49:00 -
[3679] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:Small word to many ppl posting in this thread, and that includes all sides of the argument;
Alex/The Mittani/Mittens dropped character in his post, the first one, many of you didn't and it's doing a whole lot more harm than good to all parties involved, including yourselves.
he did it long before beeing an i-net writer for gaming sites and self titeld spymaster and CSM |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:49:00 -
[3680] - Quote
I'm really happy to read the CSM's announcement Mittani will be staying! Congratulations everyone! |
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:50:00 -
[3681] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Come back here after sleeping.
81 EXTRA PAGES.
What the hell is wrong with you all?
If it wasn't for work, I would be sitting in the glorious sun in Southern England, no doubt having a BBQ and drinking a milkshake.
This is a beer day. |
Alexia Canada
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:53:00 -
[3682] - Quote
Josefius wrote:This thread is like the Energizer Bunny.
Seems to be slowing down some though |
Cyber SGB
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:54:00 -
[3683] - Quote
I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.
I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.
It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.
It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 14:57:00 -
[3684] - Quote
Cyber SGB wrote:I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.
I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.
It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.
It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age.
Some might call it cyber bullying |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
13
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:58:00 -
[3685] - Quote
Cyber SGB wrote:I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.
I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.
It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.
It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age.
think again if it was done in a video game noone would know
but he did it in public infront of 10k
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xXv1c10usXx
Alchemy Corp
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:58:00 -
[3686] - Quote
You know, here is the thing. Sure, goons push the very extents of the envelope beyond the black lines in to undetermined grey space. At least they do what is expected, if you expect anything different like they are suddenly coming to Jesus or something, you deserve whatever forum level and in game embarrassment you get.
Where is all the upheaval about all the Band of Developers (oops, sry BoB) shadows that still exist and perpetuate certain mechanic exploits? See, that is beyond the black and grey lines and you fail to call those elements out in to the public forum. Hypocrisy always has blinders on. People cannot call out the real truth because it hits too close to home. Goons have neither won or lost here, they are playing their game, that is it. All the tears and agony are right up their game play methods and you fell right in to it.
I would suggest that all the cry baby wanna be, do gooder white knight, increase CCP Gov'ment rules regulation, tree hugging, environmentalist, commy bass turd, low life, social game reject, suck asses go find a different game to play that only has pretty jeweled NPCs in it, cause playing a MMO that has combat interaction is obviously too much for you, not to mention and meta game attributes. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1618
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:58:00 -
[3687] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: I think if we were to meet face to face and share a quiet pint and talk this over you'd agree it went too far and now Gianturco needs to resign for the good of the game.
While we're all pretending to be clairvoyant, let me have a try: You're jealous. You're seething that public perception is that The Mittani has done more as the CSM chair than you ever dreamed of. You're jealous of his media attention, his column at TTH, his NYT, CNN, and BBC pieces among others, and finally his success in game as space king. You don't actually think he meant for people to drive The Wis to actual, real life suicide. You know, much like the rest of us sane people, that he meant for people to find The Wis in game and gank him. Repeatedly. **** move? Welcome to Eve. Unfortunately, copious amounts of alcohol got in the way of the message and we're left with a stupid statement that is now being blown out of proportion by people with a grudge. People like you, Jade. It is rather unfortunate that you've chosen to exacerbate the issue. An issue that wasn't even in the spotlight until days later when the CSM results were announced. Perhaps you should focus on the positive things that came from Fanfest and let the CSM sort this out without your biased input.
Jealous of a chubby chin-bread ex lawyer trustfund princess with delusions of grandeur who just managed to comprehensively torpedo his chances of ever working anywhere again with the media presence?
Hmmm, lemme think about that.
Not really.
Stop trying to spin and think outside the cult range for a moment, step back and take people at their word.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Alexia Canada
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 14:58:00 -
[3688] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:I'm really happy to read the CSM's announcement Mittani will be staying! Congratulations everyone!
Where is this?
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The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:00:00 -
[3689] - Quote
Alexia Canada wrote:Daviclond wrote:I'm really happy to read the CSM's announcement Mittani will be staying! Congratulations everyone! Where is this?
You'll find it in the mind of the delusional... If you look into their eyes closely enough, you can almost see the circus. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
13
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:01:00 -
[3690] - Quote
xXv1c10usXx wrote:You know, here is the thing. Sure, goons push the very extents of the envelope beyond the black lines in to undetermined grey space. At least they do what is expected, if you expect anything different like they are suddenly coming to Jesus or something, you deserve whatever forum level and in game embarrassment you get.
Where is all the upheaval about all the Band of Developers (oops, sry BoB) shadows that still exist and perpetuate certain mechanic exploits? See, that is beyond the black and grey lines and you fail to call those elements out in to the public forum. Hypocrisy always has blinders on. People cannot call out the real truth because it hits too close to home. Goons have neither won or lost here, they are playing their game, that is it. All the tears and agony are right up their game play methods and you fell right in to it.
I would suggest that all the cry baby wanna be, do gooder white knight, increase CCP Gov'ment rules regulation, tree hugging, environmentalist, commy bass turd, low life, social game reject, suck asses go find a different game to play that only has pretty jeweled NPCs in it, cause playing a MMO that has combat interaction is obviously too much for you, not to mention and meta game attributes.
goons can do whatever they want .. but need to be prepeared to face the consequences ,
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1618
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:01:00 -
[3691] - Quote
Alexia Canada wrote:Daviclond wrote:I'm really happy to read the CSM's announcement Mittani will be staying! Congratulations everyone! Where is this?
its written on the back of the security blanket he's clinging too really tightly with his liddle fingers.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
52
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:01:00 -
[3692] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
Jealous of a chubby chin-bread ex lawyer trustfund princess with delusions of grandeur who just managed to comprehensively torpedo his chances of ever working anywhere again with the media presence?
Hmmm, lemme think about that.
Not really.
Stop trying to spin and think outside the cult range for a moment, step back and take people at their word.
Its amazing how you post in exactly the way you chastise other people for doing. Also the irony of your description of Mittens is overwhelming.
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Alexia Canada
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:02:00 -
[3693] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:xXv1c10usXx wrote:You know, here is the thing. Sure, goons push the very extents of the envelope beyond the black lines in to undetermined grey space. At least they do what is expected, if you expect anything different like they are suddenly coming to Jesus or something, you deserve whatever forum level and in game embarrassment you get.
Where is all the upheaval about all the Band of Developers (oops, sry BoB) shadows that still exist and perpetuate certain mechanic exploits? See, that is beyond the black and grey lines and you fail to call those elements out in to the public forum. Hypocrisy always has blinders on. People cannot call out the real truth because it hits too close to home. Goons have neither won or lost here, they are playing their game, that is it. All the tears and agony are right up their game play methods and you fell right in to it.
I would suggest that all the cry baby wanna be, do gooder white knight, increase CCP Gov'ment rules regulation, tree hugging, environmentalist, commy bass turd, low life, social game reject, suck asses go find a different game to play that only has pretty jeweled NPCs in it, cause playing a MMO that has combat interaction is obviously too much for you, not to mention and meta game attributes. goons can do whatever they want .. but need to be prepeared to face the consequences ,
Goons have been "facing the consequences" in EVE and other games for years. Doesn't change anything though |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:03:00 -
[3694] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Jealous of a chubby chin-bread ex lawyer trustfund princess with delusions of grandeur who just managed to comprehensively torpedo his chances of ever working anywhere again with the media presence?
Look at this cyberbully using someone's weight as a negative insult. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1618
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:03:00 -
[3695] - Quote
Doddy wrote: Also the irony of your description of Mittens is overwhelming.
Its only ironic because its pretty much completely accurate.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
223
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:12:00 -
[3696] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Sternin Mantur wrote:You are exactly how the video shows IRL, And exactly how much time have you spent with Mittens IRL? Yes what sort of person is Mittens? well I guess we can only go on comments made by someone like his RL wife who posted the following comment on one of the Goon forums.
Quote:Mittens says Jita is going to burn regardless of whether or not he successfully sticks Two Step with the chairmanship thing. (Apparently Two Step is trying to avoid it.)
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Alexia Canada
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:13:00 -
[3697] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:Two questions.
If Mittani doesn't get a ban does that mean we can greif people to the point they kill themselves? Is that the next line/boundry since calling mass audience for harrasement of certain individual seems legit?
If you hadn't noticed, "the Wis" was not suicidal but merely a stupid drama queen trying to quilt trip his gankers. So no. Why are people here so stupidly absolute in their opinions? |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
135
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:13:00 -
[3698] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Taihbea wrote:Two questions.
If Mittani doesn't get a ban does that mean we can greif people to the point they kill themselves? Is that the next line/boundry since calling mass audience for harrasement of certain individual seems legit?
If Mittani stays in CSM does that mean CCP will no longer enforce any rules and we all can go bonanza since eve is hard and HTFU?
Serious questions. Did they close your other thread already?
Why yeeeees, yes they did. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:14:00 -
[3699] - Quote
Jade I'm not going to post the .gif of you here (the last time I did I got a year long forum ban) but suffice to say you look creepy as hell in real life and probably shouldn't be throwing stones when it comes to looks! |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:14:00 -
[3700] - Quote
JamesCLK wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Taihbea wrote:Two questions.
If Mittani doesn't get a ban does that mean we can greif people to the point they kill themselves? Is that the next line/boundry since calling mass audience for harrasement of certain individual seems legit?
If Mittani stays in CSM does that mean CCP will no longer enforce any rules and we all can go bonanza since eve is hard and HTFU?
Serious questions. Did they close your other thread already? Why yeeeees, yes they did.
They dropping the locks, and then they'll let it run amok when the devs change shifts and the forums will go to **** again in the night. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1620
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:15:00 -
[3701] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Alexia Canada wrote:Daviclond wrote:I'm really happy to read the CSM's announcement Mittani will be staying! Congratulations everyone! Where is this? its written on the back of the security blanket he's clinging too really tightly with his liddle fingers. Jade, you're probably not doing your (and my) cause any favours with comments like that.
I should point out I wasn't referring to Alexander Gianturco here, but was gently mocking Daviclond (in case anyone was in any doubt.)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
70
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:15:00 -
[3702] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Jade I'm not going to post the .gif of you here (the last time I did I got a year long forum ban) but suffice to say you probably shouldn't be throwing stones when it comes to looks!
You must post this. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
129
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:16:00 -
[3703] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:Two questions.
If Mittani doesn't get a ban does that mean we can greif people to the point they kill themselves? Is that the next line/boundry since calling mass audience for harrasement of certain individual seems legit?
If Mittani stays in CSM does that mean CCP will no longer enforce any rules and we all can go bonanza since eve is hard and HTFU?
Serious questions. Yes, it would mean that 100%. If Mittani gets away with this it would mean that everyone could get away with aynthing, no matter how serious it is, it would be acceptable by CCP. |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:16:00 -
[3704] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Taihbea wrote:Two questions.
If Mittani doesn't get a ban does that mean we can greif people to the point they kill themselves? Is that the next line/boundry since calling mass audience for harrasement of certain individual seems legit?
If Mittani stays in CSM does that mean CCP will no longer enforce any rules and we all can go bonanza since eve is hard and HTFU?
Serious questions. Did they close your other thread already?
They did but I understood I must use one of existing topics instead of making new ones.
I am really interested here. That can change my game play a lot and I wanna know ;)
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1620
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:17:00 -
[3705] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Jade I'm not going to post the .gif of you here (the last time I did I got a year long forum ban) but suffice to say you probably shouldn't be throwing stones when it comes to looks!
You got a year long ban for posting a picture of me in rl and you don't think Alexander Gianturco deserves to even be punished for calling on 10,000 goons to harrass a fellow player into suicide.
Thats some pretty heady stuff you are smoking there.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1357
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:18:00 -
[3706] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Sternin Mantur wrote:You are exactly how the video shows IRL, And exactly how much time have you spent with Mittens IRL? Yes what sort of person is Mittens? well I guess we can only go on comments made by someone like his RL wife who posted the following comment on one of the Goon forums. Quote:Mittens says Jita is going to burn regardless of whether or not he successfully sticks Two Step with the chairmanship thing. (Apparently Two Step is trying to avoid it.)
If he meant there would be protests regardless of how this turns out, he's probably right... which should be highly amusing.
If he meant he was going to personally lead an effort to show just how easy it is to mess with people in Jita out of irritation at the outpouring of idiocy surrounding these events, more power to him... it's long over due.
Niether one of those reflects poorly on him in the sllightest.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:19:00 -
[3707] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Daviclond wrote:Jade I'm not going to post the .gif of you here (the last time I did I got a year long forum ban) but suffice to say you probably shouldn't be throwing stones when it comes to looks! You got a year long ban for posting a picture of me in rl and you don't think Alexander Gianturco deserves to even be punished for calling on 10,000 goons to harrass a fellow player into suicide. Thats some pretty heady stuff you are smoking there.
it honestly doesn't surprise me that you of all people have conflated the forums and real life in your mind |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:19:00 -
[3708] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Daviclond wrote:Jade I'm not going to post the .gif of you here (the last time I did I got a year long forum ban) but suffice to say you probably shouldn't be throwing stones when it comes to looks! You got a year long ban for posting a picture of me in rl and you don't think Alexander Gianturco deserves to even be punished for calling on 10,000 goons to harrass a fellow player into suicide. Thats some pretty heady stuff you are smoking there.
So the picture was so terrifying that they banned him for a year? Must of been quite the picture. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:19:00 -
[3709] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:Jade, you're probably not doing your (and my) cause any favours with comments like that.
He can't help but reveal himself for the disgusting cyberbully he is. His disgraceful use of someone's weight as a negative slur, and his forged jabber broadcast show the depths to which he is willing to sink to promote himself above others. Clearly he has no concern for the supposed "suicidal" space victim and only sees a chance to s**t on a poor defenceless larper's real life.
I'm sure all the raging pubbies will join you in condemning this behaviour as totally hypocritical and counterproductive. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
70
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:22:00 -
[3710] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Daviclond wrote:Jade I'm not going to post the .gif of you here (the last time I did I got a year long forum ban) but suffice to say you probably shouldn't be throwing stones when it comes to looks! You got a year long ban for posting a picture of me in rl and you don't think Alexander Gianturco deserves to even be punished for calling on 10,000 goons to harrass a fellow player into suicide. Thats some pretty heady stuff you are smoking there. Keep moving those goalposts. |
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
773
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:22:00 -
[3711] - Quote
Cyber SGB wrote:I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.
I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.
It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.
It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age.
If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'.
If anyone representing a company did what he did, then he would also be called upon to resign and if he didn't he may well get the sack. It just so happens that as far as the non-Eve world is concerned he represents CCP. How does it reflect on CCP when they pay the expenses of a man who publicly calls for one of their customers to be hounded to the point of suicide? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:25:00 -
[3712] - Quote
Honestly if someone is so f'd up in real life why are they playing a game?? Get off your fat arse and get some damn help!
And then if you get ganked somewhere in game definitely don't send some moron in eve the details of your RL tragedy's. If someone sent me that mail I would laugh at them for being a moron and then delete it. I have gotten my share of hate mail in my time on this character.
Much GÖÑ for The Mittani! It happened you dealt with it, these asshats need to quit with the hate! AMP - Angry Monkey Podcast |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:26:00 -
[3713] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:Cyber SGB wrote:I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.
I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.
It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.
It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age. If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'. If anyone representing a company did what he did, then he would also be called upon to resign and if he didn't he may well get the sack. It just so happens that as far as the non-Eve world is concerned he represents CCP. How does it reflect on CCP when they pay the expenses of a man who publicly calls for one of their customers to be hounded to the point of suicide?
Quote: If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'.
Oh man, my sides! Do you SERIOUSLY think UK Politics work like this? (I can tell because you said whip). They usually apologise, then the story gets spun so hard that nothing of value is lost. That or they get 're-assigned' to a new post. If you still think this happens, then you citizen, have a lot more faith in politics than the majority of others. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
775
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 15:26:00 -
[3714] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Alexia Canada wrote:Daviclond wrote:I'm really happy to read the CSM's announcement Mittani will be staying! Congratulations everyone! Where is this? its written on the back of the security blanket he's clinging too really tightly with his liddle fingers. Jade, you're probably not doing your (and my) cause any favours with comments like that. I should point out I wasn't referring to Alexander Gianturco here, but was gently mocking Daviclond (in case anyone was in any doubt.)
And what about the other insults you've been hurling around?
Here's a piece of advice - it doesn't make you look good when complain about somebody's insulting behaviour and then proceed to insult them yourself.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1357
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:32:00 -
[3715] - Quote
Cailais wrote:Alex Gianturco clearly made an error of judgement by speaking in such a manner whilst inebriated.
To what extent his apology for that mistake is genuine and sincere is extremely difficult to judge not least (and there is not a little irony here) because his 'persona' is typically one of "mocking sincerity". The question then is whether he should be given the benefit of doubt?
Equally CCP will need to consider if the negative PR his actions have generated are such that to continue to allow Alex to act as a representative of both the player base and CCP Games products would be damaging. The association with another major company (SONY) will of course accrue additional embarrassment to CCP.
This unfortunate series of events is not entirely Alex Gianturco's fault, CCP allowed the presentation to occur and have encouraged and fostered its FanFest events to be seen as drunken revels and the antics of its players as somehow 'cool'.
Ultimately though Alex Gianturco accepted the kudos and esteem of being the chair of the CSM and, regardless of how relevant we may see that collection of players, he also accepted the responsibility of that position. Personally I don't doubt that Alex Gianturco is genuinely remorseful of his actions and I have some sympathy with his plight having made numerous errors of judgement whilst under the influence of too much alcohol.
That said he should now demonstrate a greater degree of moral courage by accepting his mistake and offer his resignation - a service which would offer CCP games a resolution to a difficult issue and also a service to EVE Online and its wider player base.
'The Mittani' might say he owes those who didnt vote for him nothing: what Alex Gianturco has to say on the matter will be more revealing.
C.
Apparently he has already tried resigning the chair position, but is having trouble finding anyone willing to take it from him under the circumstances.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1623
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:33:00 -
[3716] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote: And what about the other insults you've been hurling around?Here's a piece of advice - it doesn't make you look good when complain about somebody's insulting behaviour and then proceed to insult them yourself.
I'm not calling for Alexander Gianturco's resignation as CSM chair for him hurling a few insults about. He's been doing that quite happily through his first term after all. I am calling for his resignation because he used the stage at fanfest as a bully-pulpit to call for the organized harrassment towards suicide of an eve player while serving as chair of the CSM.
I realize you can't resist trying to score some sideswipes Rodj but I consider this is a grown up game and we can engage in the hurley-burley of forum debate without our nannies like you complaining about rough language being used. You'll notice i'm not in the habit of running for the mods when I'm debating issues.
But this isn't an issue about me and its not an issue about you.
Try and keep up.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
775
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:35:00 -
[3717] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Cyber SGB wrote:I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.
I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.
It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.
It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age. If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'. If anyone representing a company did what he did, then he would also be called upon to resign and if he didn't he may well get the sack. It just so happens that as far as the non-Eve world is concerned he represents CCP. How does it reflect on CCP when they pay the expenses of a man who publicly calls for one of their customers to be hounded to the point of suicide? Quote: If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'. Oh man, my sides! Do you SERIOUSLY think UK Politics work like this? (I can tell because you said whip). They usually apologise, then the story gets spun so hard that nothing of value is lost. That or they get 're-assigned' to a new post. If you still think this happens, then you citizen, have a lot more faith in politics than the majority of others.
On the contrary, British politicians have had to resign from the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet in the past because they were only accused of wrong-doing. Recent examples include Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Huhne and Peter Mandelson.
Charles Kennedy even had to resign as Lib Dem leader because he liked the odd drink!
It's true that they often return at a later date, but that's normally after a subsequent election. I'd be quite happy to see Mittens return to the CSM if the electorate demands it next time. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
69
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:40:00 -
[3718] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:On the contrary, British politicians have had to resign from the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet in the past because they were only accused of wrong-doing. Recent examples include Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Huhne and Peter Mandelson.
Charles Kennedy even had to resign as Lib Dem leader because he liked the odd drink!
It's true that they often return at a later date, but that's normally after a subsequent election. I'd be quite happy to see Mittens return to the CSM if the electorate demands it next time.
Excellent, so he can resign now and return on April the 4th via his new (and extended) mandate |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:41:00 -
[3719] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Cyber SGB wrote:I didn't know who this guy was until fanfest. Sure, getting drunk and spouting off like this was inappropriate behavior. He has apologized for it and if he curbs his behavior in the future, done deal. There is no need for him to resign or do anything else that would satisfy certain people's lust for blood.
I am seeing a whole bunch of people on these forums who should be ashamed of themselves. I am very shocked to be reading people actually calling for lawyers and law enforcement to get involved. If you call his behavior wrong, how can you justify trying to ruin this person's life over such a trivial matter? It is trivial.
It is obvious to me that most of you wait for any opportunity to do harm to this guy in real life. All because of this video game.
It appears that people have gone stupid in this day and age. If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'. If anyone representing a company did what he did, then he would also be called upon to resign and if he didn't he may well get the sack. It just so happens that as far as the non-Eve world is concerned he represents CCP. How does it reflect on CCP when they pay the expenses of a man who publicly calls for one of their customers to be hounded to the point of suicide? Quote: If an elected politician (even a politician as insignificant as a parish councillor) did what he did, then he would be called upon to resign and might end up getting the party whip withdrawn. It just so happens that he was elected to represent a consituency larger than many politicians'. Oh man, my sides! Do you SERIOUSLY think UK Politics work like this? (I can tell because you said whip). They usually apologise, then the story gets spun so hard that nothing of value is lost. That or they get 're-assigned' to a new post. If you still think this happens, then you citizen, have a lot more faith in politics than the majority of others. On the contrary, British politicians have had to resign from the Cabinet or Shadow Cabinet in the past because they were only accused of wrong-doing. Recent examples include Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Huhne and Peter Mandelson. Charles Kennedy even had to resign as Lib Dem leader because he liked the odd drink! It's true that they often return at a later date, but that's normally after a subsequent election. I'd be quite happy to see Mittens return to the CSM if the electorate demands it next time.
Generally they are not the main villians though (though Peter Mandelson was a complete moron, was glad to see the back of him.)
I mean all you have to look at is the current 'New of the world' scandal. Yes Andy Coulson resigned but it is heading towards a total whitewash, wouldn't be surprised if, one or two years, he is back in the fore-front again. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
129
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:41:00 -
[3720] - Quote
Just give him the banhammer an be done with it so there is no more fuss |
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
276
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:43:00 -
[3721] - Quote
Most hilarious part of The Mittani's apology: Where he claims he's a roleplayer.
Quote:It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance.
So he's a roleplayer now? ROFL! Anyone who has seen him and other goons continuously mock roleplayers in general snorted milk out their nose when they read that part. Even if they weren't drinking milk at the time. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1629
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:52:00 -
[3722] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote: I'm going to have to remind you that all of this only holds water if you believe that his statement was a serious request to drive a man to suicide, instead of a bad drunken joke (in the same vein as the entire presentation that came before) about giving an idiot a hard time.
I believe it was a serious attempt to have somebody harrassed and to misuse the authority and visibility of the CSM chair position.Sure it happened on the alliance panel - but we're seen all the chair for life nonsense and didn't Alexander proclaim himself the "king of space" on that panel which is his code for csm chair?
Ranger 1 wrote:If we went back over all of the statements and posts that you have made through the years and picked out all of the quips, jabs and amusing insults that we would find there... and spun them out of context to appear as if you were deadly serious in stating them... I don't think you'd like how you ended up looking.
You'd be hard pushed to find me trying to organize mass harrassment of a depressive eve player that much I can tell you. Plenty of forum tears sure enough, but generally my wit is employed against those that have declared themselves well able to take it (usually by getting involved in forum rough and tumbles)
Ranger 1 wrote:Something for you to consider, lest the camera ever catch you inadvertantly letting slip with something that could be twisted to make you look like a psycho. I'm pretty sure you know just how easily that can happen.
And I also know how it can be avoided. I have worked with media and PR all my adult life and have never yet given a presentation while steaming drunk.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:52:00 -
[3723] - Quote
From Mitanni Twitter:
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Just a friendly reminder
Resign now! |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
776
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 15:52:00 -
[3724] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Most hilarious part of The Mittani's apology: Where he claims he's a roleplayer. Quote:It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. So he's a roleplayer now? And not only in game, but he's roleplaying on the forums too? Oh wait and Twitter as well. ROFL! Anyone who has seen him and other goons continuously mock roleplayers in general snorted milk out their nose when they read that part. Even if they weren't drinking milk at the time. Can anyone name other Eve players who also roleplay on Twitter?
Everything in Eve is RP. It's good to see that he now agrees with that viewpoint though..
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:52:00 -
[3725] - Quote
Neu Newt wrote:I'm suprised that no one in the 184 some odd pages has pointed this out.
So, unlike the news articles and the spaceship lawyers that have posted up to this point, I actually watched the live stream. Anyone saying this was streamed to thousands I have to ask, how was a frozen image of the slide of the first wormhole guy's presentation about having too much isk for over an hour?
I was hitting refresh, opening in a new browser, and several other methods to re-update the feed and it was stuck on that screen for at least 1 hour 30 minutes. Everyone in jabber I was talking to said the feed was also frozen, and everyone on Facebook under the stream echo'ed this, even HD users.
So how was this broadcasted live? I had to wait 2-3 days later for ccp to post it on youtube to see it. They didn't feel it was worth censoring.
witch-hunt much?
I voted for a bastard on the CSM. As did the 10,058 other people who voted for The Mittani. While the presentation was not funny, CCP if anyone should decide what to do. I see nothing wrong with whats happened, and it's sad The Mittani's enemies tried to make a big spectacle of it and continue to do so, but he's the best thing for the eve players we have, and while I know he personally wants to step down because he feels bad, I hope he realizes he will let over 10k people down by not representing him. That's right. Stay in for us, because we know where YOU stand. Think of the players.
It froze on the repeat. The original stream was very much intact (I and many other people watched it, and posted about the incident in the little Facebook thingy.
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:52:00 -
[3726] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Apparently Mittani doesn't think it's a big deal, and CCP doesn't care either. So there's nothing stopping anyone from rallying thousands to try and make Mittani kill himself. The important thing is that you just try to get him to kill himself, it's only bad if he actually does kill himself, so you want to stop short of that.
You goons were right all along. We were overreacting. That sort of thing is the coolest, and completely victimless. I understand that now.
oh man think about iit what you just wrote there are moral borders that should not be crossed, if he punished or not, your parents should told you , if not ask em |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:52:00 -
[3727] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:The irony of all this is the people who are outraged by this are being even bigger bullies than the comment mittens made ever was.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."
Amazing how many times EVE has reaffirmed this quote.
We're gaining on the wis thread! |
Neu Newt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:55:00 -
[3728] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Neu Newt wrote:I'm suprised that no one in the 184 some odd pages has pointed this out.
So, unlike the news articles and the spaceship lawyers that have posted up to this point, I actually watched the live stream. Anyone saying this was streamed to thousands I have to ask, how was a frozen image of the slide of the first wormhole guy's presentation about having too much isk for over an hour?
I was hitting refresh, opening in a new browser, and several other methods to re-update the feed and it was stuck on that screen for at least 1 hour 30 minutes. Everyone in jabber I was talking to said the feed was also frozen, and everyone on Facebook under the stream echo'ed this, even HD users.
So how was this broadcasted live? I had to wait 2-3 days later for ccp to post it on youtube to see it. They didn't feel it was worth censoring.
witch-hunt much?
It froze on the repeat. The original stream was very much intact (I and many other people watched it, and posted about the incident in the little Facebook thingy).
Odd. I matched the times up to the website because I thought I'd be work but was suprised when I wasn't. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
67
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:58:00 -
[3729] - Quote
Giuliano Verti wrote:From Mitanni Twitter:
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Just a friendly reminder
Resign now! Be nice if he keeps his word and resigns from the CSM, be a disgrace if he doesn't and on top of this CCP may have to give him a greater punishment. Hope not but they can hardly ban others for less and let him off. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Bane Necran
196
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:58:00 -
[3730] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:oh man think about iit what you just wrote there are moral borders that should not be crossed, if he punished or not, your parents should told you , if not ask em
Not familiar with parody, are you? |
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Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:58:00 -
[3731] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:The irony of all this is the people who are outraged by this are being even bigger bullies than the comment mittens made ever was.
I seriously doubt that asking for an elected representative to actually face the consequences of his actions can be in any way compared to "bullying". |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
126
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:58:00 -
[3732] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Most hilarious part of The Mittani's apology: Where he claims he's a roleplayer. Quote:It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. So he's a roleplayer now? And not only in game, but he's roleplaying on the forums too? Oh wait and Twitter as well. ROFL! Anyone who has seen him and other goons continuously mock roleplayers in general snorted milk out their nose when they read that part. Even if they weren't drinking milk at the time. Can anyone name other Eve players who also roleplay on Twitter? Everything in Eve is RP. It's good to see that he now agrees with that viewpoint though..
This was the party line back in Syndicate in 2005. The pod pilot backstory allows so much freedom its a little silly people want to roleplay space knights. Thats where you'll have seen the mocking. |
baltec1
909
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:00:00 -
[3733] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I'm going to have to remind you that all of this only holds water if you believe that his statement was a serious request to drive a man to suicide, instead of a bad drunken joke (in the same vein as the entire presentation that came before) about giving an idiot a hard time. I believe it was a serious attempt to have somebody harrassed and to misuse the authority and visibility of the CSM chair position.Sure it happened on the alliance panel - but we're seen all the chair for life nonsense and didn't Alexander proclaim himself the "king of space" on that panel which is his code for csm chair?
Anyone who did try to harrass him would be banned under the EULA rules. Only a moron would think he was being serious.
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
134
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:01:00 -
[3734] - Quote
If Mittani cared, he would: - Step down from CSM all together - Tell his zerglings to quit being badposters on the forums and tell them to quit posting with npc alts - Biomass his character - Never come back
No one is fooled by his crappy apology. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
71
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:02:00 -
[3735] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:I believe it was a serious attempt to have somebody harrassed and to misuse the authority and visibility of the CSM chair position.Sure it happened on the alliance panel - but we're seen all the chair for life nonsense and didn't Alexander proclaim himself the "king of space" on that panel which is his code for csm chair?
No you don't.
Edit: I fail at bbcode |
baltec1
909
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:03:00 -
[3736] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:baltec1 wrote:The irony of all this is the people who are outraged by this are being even bigger bullies than the comment mittens made ever was. I seriously doubt that asking for an elected representative to actually face the consequences of his actions can be in any way compared to "bullying".
Dragging his name through the mud across as many news sites as you can is not worse than making a drunken bad joke at an event where nothing said is expected to be taken seriously and would have been qquickly forgotten about if not for the white knighter and people with an axe to grind?
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Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
656
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:03:00 -
[3737] - Quote
Here is a shortened video of what happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYNLmtAMA
Here is the EVE Online TERMS OF SERVICE
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.as
Other players have been perma-banned for less than what Alex did.
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ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:03:00 -
[3738] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:baltec1 wrote:The irony of all this is the people who are outraged by this are being even bigger bullies than the comment mittens made ever was. I seriously doubt that asking for an elected representative to actually face the consequences of his actions can be in any way compared to "bullying".
It is when they lie by fabricating information, insult overweight people by using weight as a negative personal insult and indicate that they'd like to see a person's real life negatively impacted. All without the slightest trace of irony |
APC
Get High on Our Supply
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:03:00 -
[3739] - Quote
I bet that with this EVE cyber bullying he is actually compensating for something! Perhaps he have been bullied himself...or still being bullied. Anyhow, issues issues...
Being drunk on stage saying something like that is a characteristic of immature child. He probably sees himself as some great guy who accomplished something for being CSM and CEO of the alliance...but the way I see it he is just another noob with not much of a real life.
And finally, I wonder what was in your head while you were saying that? What makes people wanting to harm other people whom they don't even know in order to make themselves feel empowered ?! Just how sick is that!! Go have sex..fells even better!
And you represent population of EVE online?! Well you don't represent me!! I am not an idiot! |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:04:00 -
[3740] - Quote
de4deye wrote:If Mittani cared, he would: - Step down from CSM all together - Tell his zerglings to quit being badposters on the forums and tell them to quit posting with npc alts - Biomass his character - Never come back
No one is fooled by his crappy apology.
Titans will still be nerfed no matter what The Mittani does. |
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ExhumeToConsume
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:04:00 -
[3741] - Quote
Your alliance name trivialises mental illness and could cause people to go over the edge. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
659
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:12:00 -
[3742] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Titans will still be nerfed no matter what The Mittani does.
What does game balance have to do with any of this? I welcome super capital nerf with open arms. It needs to be done. I also have been wanting them balanced far longer than Alex has been wanting it.
The issue at hand is will Alex receive special treatment and not be banned, thus sending the message that what he did is ok, or will CCP ban him sending the message that this kind of in and out of game player harassment is not tolerated.
So please stay on topic.
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baltec1
911
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:12:00 -
[3743] - Quote
weasil421 wrote:The only problem I see with The Mittanni retaining any form of post on the CSM is that it took the viral responses of thousands of eve players to make him aware of his actions as he apparently saw nothing wrong with what he had done well before fanfest/bragging about said actions. I think CCP needs to take this into consideration. I think Mittani should resign entirely from the CSM as this is not representative of the great players of this game.
Its not thousands of players. Most of the angry mob are forum alts in NPC corps. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
486
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:12:00 -
[3744] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Most hilarious part of The Mittani's apology: Where he claims he's a roleplayer. Quote:It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. So he's a roleplayer now? And not only in game, but he's roleplaying on the forums too? Oh wait and Twitter as well. ROFL! Anyone who has seen him and other goons continuously mock roleplayers in general snorted milk out their nose when they read that part. Even if they weren't drinking milk at the time. Can anyone name other Eve players who also roleplay on Twitter? he's not just a roleplayer - he's into live action role playing (LARP) which is pretty special even among huge nerds
http://i.imgur.com/dbiqx.jpg
goons love him for it^^ |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:13:00 -
[3745] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Orkasm wrote:No they haven't, Mittani did nothing ingame that would constitute a break of ToS or EULA. are you in the denial state ? csm represents eve and CCP, look it up theres more than the TOS/EULA beside that , they can exclude you from their service WITHOUT giving any reason at all
Look it up? How about you cite your sources and provide evidence of your claims with a link. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1632
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:13:00 -
[3746] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:de4deye wrote:If Mittani cared, he would: - Step down from CSM all together - Tell his zerglings to quit being badposters on the forums and tell them to quit posting with npc alts - Biomass his character - Never come back
No one is fooled by his crappy apology. Titans will still be nerfed no matter what The Mittani does. Who cares? Lol I don't even own a titan. Is this all goons have on their mind? This seems to be the only response goons can gather for everything I say, sad to be you.
Does it help if I admit to owning a titan and saying having them nerfed to hell is one of the better things Alexander managed? (still doesn't excuse fanfest) but I'm not going to say he was completely rubbish.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:14:00 -
[3747] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:
They can hardly do things like what they did with HB and then give Mittens less for something worse.
Frankly HB got a rough ride but it will cause a lot of uproar if Mittens gets less for doing worse things.
so if someone gets unfairly banned so should other people?
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baltec1
911
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:14:00 -
[3748] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: They can hardly do things like what they did with HB and then give Mittens less for something worse.
Frankly HB got a rough ride but it will cause a lot of uproar if Mittens gets less for doing worse things.
These worse things being a single drunken joke that is utted on a daily basis in EVE and has been for the last decade. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
135
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:14:00 -
[3749] - Quote
Did Mittens DIAF yet? If not then we need to sort something to make it happen. |
Akai Kvaesir
0ffice of Naval Intelligence
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:14:00 -
[3750] - Quote
The Anti-Swarm will not be denied. It is not an entity. It is an idea. |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
74
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:15:00 -
[3751] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Orkasm wrote:No they haven't, Mittani did nothing ingame that would constitute a break of ToS or EULA. are you in the denial state ? csm represents eve and CCP, look it up theres more than the TOS/EULA beside that , they can exclude you from their service WITHOUT giving any reason at all
The CSM agreement has already been invoked and dismissed in another thread. It doesn't matter how much you wish it were so, the EULA/TOS does not apply in this instance. |
Bane Necran
196
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:15:00 -
[3752] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Dragging his name through the mud across as many news sites as you can
I don't agree with that, nor do i agree with anyone dragging EVE through the mud in the media like our friendly neighborhood goons have happily done.
However, if he had actually resigned days ago like he said he would, none of that would have happened. This entire thing would have been long over if he didn't like the attention so much. He's just suffering for his vanity at this point. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:19:00 -
[3753] - Quote
Giuliano Verti wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Orkasm wrote:No they haven't, Mittani did nothing ingame that would constitute a break of ToS or EULA. are you in the denial state ? csm represents eve and CCP, look it up theres more than the TOS/EULA beside that , they can exclude you from their service WITHOUT giving any reason at all And in CCP HQ... and in a CCP sanctioned event... and in a CCP live broadscast....
lol not their HQ
not proofread by them
LIVE is the key here , nothing they can do |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
136
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:19:00 -
[3754] - Quote
So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself? |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
238
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:20:00 -
[3755] - Quote
Giuliano Verti wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Orkasm wrote:No they haven't, Mittani did nothing ingame that would constitute a break of ToS or EULA. are you in the denial state ? csm represents eve and CCP, look it up theres more than the TOS/EULA beside that , they can exclude you from their service WITHOUT giving any reason at all And in CCP HQ... and in a CCP sanctioned event... and in a CCP live broadscast....
If you want to catch for every letter of TOS/EULA: TOS/EULA saying that its applying for things on their server/web page/forums. Stream came from their server/web page. |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:20:00 -
[3756] - Quote
baltec1 wrote: Dragging his name through the mud across as many news sites as you can is not worse than making a drunken bad joke at an event where nothing said is expected to be taken seriously and would have been qquickly forgotten about if not for the white knighter and people with an axe to grind?
Sorry to burst a silly little bubble here, but the only one that dragged his name through the mud (and the name of the CSM, CCP and ultimately this community) across as many news sites as possible is Mittani himself, with his actions.
The press will react ad report on what happened, and the readers will judge. As a gaming writer myself, I'm refraining from writing about it for the simple fact that I don't feel that this community deserves the stigma of being represented by someone able to do this kind of aberrant actions, and that's exactly why Mittani should take responsibility and resign, or he CCP should force him to. He gave a bad name to us all, and while the goons might not care (since they have a bad name anyway), quite evidently there are many that do.
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Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:20:00 -
[3757] - Quote
The Breadmaster wrote:The CSM published by CCPExcerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document- CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. ____ This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore? "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether. What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company handeled it which could open them up for future liability. Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of this situation outside of the context of Eve. This is a situation that could end Eve.
Still no breach of the TOS/EULA, which is required for your "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion"
The end part, which discussion societal rules is completely up for interpretation, and doesn't seem partnered with above clause. The key word here is should.
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:20:00 -
[3758] - Quote
de4deye wrote:So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself?
Feel free to, im sure he'll tell you to **** off and leave it at that. |
Villanor
Polaris Rising
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:21:00 -
[3759] - Quote
Somebody was drunk and made a joke that came out entirely different than intended. He has apologized and has given the person all his isk.
Now everybody and his brother who has a personal vendetta against The Mittani is jumping on the bandwagon and using his mistake as an excuse to further their own interests.
Being drunk is not an excuse for saying bad things. He accepts this and is apologizing.
Calling for his resignation does not in any way further reparations being made. This is simply a punishment that those who dislike The Mittani want to see put in place because this seems like a good opportunity to make it happen.
Actions do speak louder than words, if you actually care about this miner send him a convo in game and talk to him for a couple minutes about anything. If all you really want is an excuse to be mad and call for the resignation of the "Big Bad Villain" then carry on. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1636
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:21:00 -
[3760] - Quote
de4deye wrote:So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself?
I woudln't if I were you, you'll probably get banned.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:21:00 -
[3761] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Orkasm wrote:No they haven't, Mittani did nothing ingame that would constitute a break of ToS or EULA. are you in the denial state ? csm represents eve and CCP, look it up theres more than the TOS/EULA beside that , they can exclude you from their service WITHOUT giving any reason at all The CSM agreement has already been invoked and dismissed in another thread. It doesn't matter how much you wish it were so, the EULA/TOS does not apply in this instance.
how can a BAN WITHOUT reason or guilt not apply ? if CCP wishes him gone hes out ... |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
136
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:22:00 -
[3762] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:de4deye wrote:So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself? I woudln't if I were you, you'll probably get banned. What If I tell a big group of other people to try to convince him to kill himself? Is that ok? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:22:00 -
[3763] - Quote
The Breadmaster wrote:The CSM published by CCPExcerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document- CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. ____ This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore? "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether. What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company handeled it which could open them up for future liability. Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of this situation outside of the context of Eve. This is a situation that could end Eve.
Digging through my mains mails, I have 14 direct death threats to me, 6 direct death threats to me and my immediate family, and 9 vague threats of vengance. I presume these will all be banned too, if CCP ban Mittens?
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Tim Sebo
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:22:00 -
[3764] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:de4deye wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:de4deye wrote:If Mittani cared, he would: - Step down from CSM all together - Tell his zerglings to quit being badposters on the forums and tell them to quit posting with npc alts - Biomass his character - Never come back
No one is fooled by his crappy apology. Titans will still be nerfed no matter what The Mittani does. Who cares? Lol I don't even own a titan. Is this all goons have on their mind? This seems to be the only response goons can gather for everything I say, sad to be you. Does it help if I admit to owning a titan and saying having them nerfed to hell is one of the better things Alexander managed? (still doesn't excuse fanfest) but I'm not going to say he was completely rubbish.
Except they're not getting nerfed anymore. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1636
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:23:00 -
[3765] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:The Breadmaster wrote:The CSM published by CCPExcerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document- CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. ____ This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore? "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether. What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company handeled it which could open them up for future liability. Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of this situation outside of the context of Eve. This is a situation that could end Eve. Still no breach of the TOS/EULA, which is required for your "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" The end part, which discussion societal rules is completely up for interpretation, and doesn't seem partnered with above clause. The key word here is should.
I underlined the bit that you outrageously editorialized to make your leaky argument appear to hold water.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
74
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:23:00 -
[3766] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:de4deye wrote:So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself? I woudln't if I were you, you'll probably get banned. Too late. He's already encouraged others to kill The Mittani with fire. |
Bane Necran
197
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:23:00 -
[3767] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:days ago you mean yesterday when he arrived home.
The OP was made over 40 hours ago. Certainly closer to multiple days than just one. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:24:00 -
[3768] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Quote: How about you cite your sources and provide evidence of your claims with a link. bloody hell READ THE TOS. http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asppoints 25 and 26 .... Namely Quote: 25. CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userGÇÖs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.
26. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.
Would it help if we could use a larger font?
Oh god you are dense. Of course CCP can take anyone's access to the game away. It's their game. No one is arguing that.
Which part of the TOS/EULA were specifically broken, to warrant such dismissal and exclusion?
Using your logic, I could argue that CCP should now permanently ban your account(s) simply because of your exceedingly low intelligence. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
662
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:26:00 -
[3769] - Quote
I also would like to point out that Alex never slurs or stumble about. At 3:20 seconds of this video the following was said:
"I, uh, suppose I'm not drunk enough." - Alex
"No your not, I can hear your words clearly." - Someone in the audience or panel
Which is correct. His entire presentation was very understandable with no word slurring or anything that would be signs of being drunk. What everyone here is assuming is he must have been drunk to say what he did about making The Wis kill himself. Alex even spells his name out with clarity and making sure no one misspells it with the letter Z.
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Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:27:00 -
[3770] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:The Breadmaster wrote:The CSM published by CCPExcerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document- CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. ____ This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore? "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether. What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company handeled it which could open them up for future liability. Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of this situation outside of the context of Eve. This is a situation that could end Eve. Still no breach of the TOS/EULA, which is required for your "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" The end part, which discussion societal rules is completely up for interpretation, and doesn't seem partnered with above clause. The key word here is should. I underlined the bit that you outrageously editorialized to make your leaky argument appear to hold water.
Again... CCP can arbitrarily ban anyone they want, including you. But why would they? For being a ****, out of game? You've obviously never been to Fanfest have you?
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de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
141
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:28:00 -
[3771] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:I also would like to point out that Alex never slurs or stumble about. At 3:20 seconds of this video the following was said: "I, uh, suppose I'm not drunk enough." - Alex "No your not, I can hear your words clearly." - Someone in the audience or panel Which is correct. His entire presentation was very understandable with no word slurring or anything that would be signs of being drunk. What everyone here is assuming is he must have been drunk to say what he did about making The Wis kill himself. Alex even spells his name out with clarity and making sure no one misspells it with the letter Z. That's because he wasn't drunk - he's just an asshat. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:29:00 -
[3772] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:I also would like to point out that Alex never slurs or stumble about. At 3:20 seconds of this video the following was said: "I, uh, suppose I'm not drunk enough." - Alex "No your not, I can hear your words clearly." - Someone in the audience or panel Which is correct. His entire presentation was very understandable with no word slurring or anything that would be signs of being drunk. What everyone here is assuming is he must have been drunk to say what he did about making The Wis kill himself. Alex even spells his name out with clarity and making sure no one misspells it with the letter Z. That's because he wasn't drunk - he's just an asshat.
Still mad about the 3 Titans we popped last weekend NC? |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:30:00 -
[3773] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:de4deye wrote:So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself? I woudln't if I were you, you'll probably get banned. Too late. He's already encouraged others to kill The Mittani with fire.
What about earth and wind ?
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1640
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:30:00 -
[3774] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Quote: How about you cite your sources and provide evidence of your claims with a link. bloody hell READ THE TOS. http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asppoints 25 and 26 .... Namely Quote: 25. CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userGÇÖs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.
26. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation.
Would it help if we could use a larger font? Oh god you are dense. Of course CCP can take anyone's access to the game away. It's their game. No one is arguing that. Which part of the TOS/EULA were specifically broken, to warrant such dismissal and exclusion? Using your logic, I could argue that CCP should now permanently ban your account(s) simply because of your exceedingly low intelligence.
If my "exceedingly low intelligence" had led me to drink more alchohol than the cast of jersey shore combined and stagger up on a stage at fanfest before putting on a wizards hat and commanding my minions to harrass an eve player to suicide to the jeers of fellow beered-up lightweights then yes. I think CCP should propably consider banning my accounts and thats kinda the point.
But the point you are struggling to comprehend is that you don't need a specific written term in the tos to be broken to invoke the general "we reserve our right to boot someone out regardless" clause.
Its a similar convention landlords have in pubs.
Now you might well go into a tavern painted with blue and white stripes and leap up a table and show your behind to scandalized female guests and argue the publican has no right to evict you because there is no specific bylaw against stripey-mooning in that particular bar.
But you will be laughed at. Just as you are being laughed at now.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:31:00 -
[3775] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:[quote=de4deye]So I am assuming it is ok to tell Mittani to kill himself? I woudln't if I were you, you'll probably get banned. Too late. He's already encouraged others to kill The Mittani with fire.
What about earth and wind ? we should be encouraging equal opportunities on here... |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
453
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:31:00 -
[3776] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:The Breadmaster wrote:The CSM published by CCPExcerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document- CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. ____ This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore? "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether. What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company handeled it which could open them up for future liability. Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of this situation outside of the context of Eve. This is a situation that could end Eve. Still no breach of the TOS/EULA, which is required for your "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" The end part, which discussion societal rules is completely up for interpretation, and doesn't seem partnered with above clause. The key word here is should.
That's not exactly the entire EULA/TOS, is it? I'm pretty sure somewhere in the EULA there is a clause that says basically "if you adversely affect our service you're gone" which could be applied to someone farting and causing a room of Eve players to have to vacate until it dissipates.
Unlikely though it may be applied in such a fashion, Mitanni has done far worse either.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
403
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:31:00 -
[3777] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:The Breadmaster wrote:The CSM published by CCPExcerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document- CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. ____ This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore? "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether. What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company handeled it which could open them up for future liability. Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of this situation outside of the context of Eve. This is a situation that could end Eve. Digging through my mains mails, I have 14 direct death threats to me, 6 direct death threats to me and my immediate family, and 9 vague threats of vengance. I presume these will all be banned too, if CCP ban Mittens?
They should be, report them already and or call the local authorities.
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baltec1
915
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:31:00 -
[3778] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:I also would like to point out that Alex never slurs or stumble about. At 3:20 seconds of this video the following was said: "I, uh, suppose I'm not drunk enough." - Alex "No your not, I can hear your words clearly." - Someone in the audience or panel Which is correct. His entire presentation was very understandable with no word slurring or anything that would be signs of being drunk. What everyone here is assuming is he must have been drunk to say what he did about making The Wis kill himself. Alex even spells his name out with clarity and making sure no one misspells it with the letter Z.
I too can spell a three letter word and not slur my words when drunk. |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:31:00 -
[3779] - Quote
baltec1 wrote: The fact that most of them got it from an anti-GSF blog site and all of them were mailed by anti-Mittani white knighters has of corse nothing at all to do with it.
Can you prove that? I for one came across this unsightly mess by myself, and just chose not to report on it for the reasons I already explained. Gaming news reporting (and editorial writing) is an extremely competitive business. Write scrape the bottom of the barrel for hours each days to find juicy morsels as this one. Believing that they would have not noticed by themselves is naive at best, disingenuous at worst.
Ultimately, Mittani had absolutely no problems with dragging CCP's name in the mud across the whole gaming press when it suited his agenda. He even boasted about it multiple times. As I already said, what goes 'round comes 'round. I doubt anyone has any right to complain about the press coming back and biting him in the rear. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:34:00 -
[3780] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:The Breadmaster wrote:The CSM published by CCPExcerpt from page 20 of the linked CCP document- CSM REPRESENTATIVE CONDUCT any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the eula or tos by a Csm representative is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction. representatives are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. ____ This sounds pretty clear cut to me. Unless we don't play by these rules anymore? "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" Policies are created to insure all players are treated fairly and equally. We can't begin making exceptions to one without eliminating the rule altogether. What kind of publicity will EVE receive if he or any future player does commit suicide? The media will look back on this incident and see how the company handeled it which could open them up for future liability. Any player regardless of alliance affiliation needs to understand the gravity of this situation outside of the context of Eve. This is a situation that could end Eve. Still no breach of the TOS/EULA, which is required for your "immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion" The end part, which discussion societal rules is completely up for interpretation, and doesn't seem partnered with above clause. The key word here is should. That's not exactly the entire EULA/TOS, is it? I'm pretty sure somewhere in the EULA there is a clause that says basically "if you adversely affect our service you're gone" which could be applied to someone farting and causing a room of Eve players to have to vacate until it dissipates. Unlikely though it may be applied in such a fashion, Mitanni has done far worse either.
I'd wager Eve probably saw a small increase in subscriptions because of this 'scandal'
If you can prove a financial loss for CCP, by all means, I love to read. |
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
37
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:34:00 -
[3781] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote: Digging through my mains mails, I have 14 direct death threats to me, 6 direct death threats to me and my immediate family, and 9 vague threats of vengance. I presume these will all be banned too, if CCP ban Mittens?
Did you report them? Because if you didn't, no, they won't. If you do, yes, they will.
Yep report them and they will get banned. Helicity copped a ban for a death threat although some might say that was politically motivated. |
Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:41:00 -
[3782] - Quote
I'm not really a sociopath, I'm simply someone who enjoys duplicating such behavior with 100% accuracy. Yeah, right.
I'm fed up with being associated with a game that rewards this kind of human garbage and that's why I'm outta here. Came back for a month after leaving Eve last year, and this incident shows I was right to walk away.
I'm too old for this crap. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:41:00 -
[3783] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:chumbucket wrote:Did he man up and fall on his own sword? 10000 votes dosent make him immune to self inflicted political suicide. He acted like an idiot he should pay the price for it. I love all the goon emo about not doing anything wrong should he be banned..... no should he be CSM player rep...... no who would want his guy representing them for anything after his little drunken tyraide....... Dude... He publicly apologized, gave the 'victim' 11billion isk, and apologized to him personally. Put down your fuc king noose already.
Dont you think its smusing Alexander has to take step before two step can take his place?
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Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:42:00 -
[3784] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:chumbucket wrote:Did he man up and fall on his own sword? 10000 votes dosent make him immune to self inflicted political suicide. He acted like an idiot he should pay the price for it. I love all the goon emo about not doing anything wrong should he be banned..... no should he be CSM player rep...... no who would want his guy representing them for anything after his little drunken tyraide....... Dude... He publicly apologized, gave the 'victim' 11billion isk, and apologized to him personally. Put down your fuc king noose already.
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. <<--- Check Step two, resign. <<<--- Still waiting Step three, send all my isk to the victim. <<--- Check
And goons read this carefully:
Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
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Rivur'Tam
the united Negative Ten.
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:42:00 -
[3785] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
i was always a fan of yours but with this statment it just proves ur a sackless geek tard at least have the balls to stand by your actions
you are only taking in teh ass now becuase you are scared you might have to resign and that you woulkd of wasted your and your friend time making the 2k votes with 31day old chars(which was clever and took smarts imo one of the reasons i liked you)
i'm dissapointed in you -1 from me Cry moar faggots |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
75
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:43:00 -
[3786] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:I also would like to point out that Alex never slurs or stumble about. At 3:20 seconds of this video the following was said: "I, uh, suppose I'm not drunk enough." - Alex "No your not, I can hear your words clearly." - Someone in the audience or panel Which is correct. His entire presentation was very understandable with no word slurring or anything that would be signs of being drunk. What everyone here is assuming is he must have been drunk to say what he did about making The Wis kill himself. Alex even spells his name out with clarity and making sure no one misspells it with the letter Z.
You're an expert on discerning levels of inebriation based on visual queues? I wonder, do you also have blood test and breathalyzer test results to back that up?
Seriously, you're ******* reaching, here. |
FLannd Kwerfiden
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:43:00 -
[3787] - Quote
CCP should carry a large portion of the blame for this also.
While its awesome that fanfest includes lots of beer drinking a pub crawl and is not watered down for the kiddies ect. To put these guys together in a room, add alcohol & an audience and not expect something dumb to be said is ridiculous.
Then to even consider streaming it live or having cameras there at all was a truly dumbass decision.
Next year mabey they can do ccp presents while all pissed.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
404
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:44:00 -
[3788] - Quote
Had my father watch the vid and he was shocked by what he saw and heard. He asked me why would i play a game with people like that in it.
Yeah, I play with some great guys but even I had to double take that moment when my dad said that. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:44:00 -
[3789] - Quote
Giuliano Verti wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:chumbucket wrote:Did he man up and fall on his own sword? 10000 votes dosent make him immune to self inflicted political suicide. He acted like an idiot he should pay the price for it. I love all the goon emo about not doing anything wrong should he be banned..... no should he be CSM player rep...... no who would want his guy representing them for anything after his little drunken tyraide....... Dude... He publicly apologized, gave the 'victim' 11billion isk, and apologized to him personally. Put down your fuc king noose already. Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. <<--- Check Step two, resign. <<<--- Still waiting Step three, send all my isk to the victim. <<--- Check And goons read this carefully: Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Yet you guys yap on and on about wanting him to go further on it. Maybe not you, but the majority does. As long as the rest of you scrubs call for more, we will step in to defend. Simple as.
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Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:44:00 -
[3790] - Quote
Montague Zooma wrote:I'm not really a sociopath, I'm simply someone who enjoys duplicating such behavior with 100% accuracy. Yeah, right.
I'm fed up with being associated with a game that rewards this kind of human garbage and that's why I'm outta here. Came back for a month after leaving Eve last year, and this incident shows I was right to walk away.
I'm too old for this crap.
Feel free to contract me your stuff in Jita IV-IV. |
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:45:00 -
[3791] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Had my father watch the vid and he was shocked by what he saw and heard. He asked me why would i play a game with people like that in it.
Yeah, I play with some great guys but even I had to double take that moment when my dad said that.
Then your father must be a liberal. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
141
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:49:00 -
[3792] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:baltec1 wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote:
Sorry to burst a silly little bubble here, but the only one that dragged his name through the mud (and the name of the CSM, CCP and ultimately this community) across as many news sites as possible is Mittani himself, with his actions.
The press will react ad report on what happened, and the readers will judge. As a gaming writer myself, I'm refraining from writing about it for the simple fact that I don't feel that this community deserves the stigma of being represented by someone able to do this kind of aberrant actions, and that's exactly why Mittani should take responsibility and resign, or CCP should force him to. He gave a bad name to us all, and while the goons might not care (since they have a bad name anyway), quite evidently there are many that do.
The fact that most of them got it from an anti-GSF blog site and all of them were mailed by anti-Mittani white knighters has of corse nothing at all to do with it. ' So its OK when Alex runs to all the news outlets during incarnagate but not when people go to them over his murder through proxy by suicide threats? Of course... That wouldn't be favorable to him =p |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
411
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:49:00 -
[3793] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Had my father watch the vid and he was shocked by what he saw and heard. He asked me why would i play a game with people like that in it.
Yeah, I play with some great guys but even I had to double take that moment when my dad said that. Then your father must be a liberal.
Yeah no hes very conservative. Does that make it worse or better for you that he had that reaction?
Oh wait it doesnt matter either way, most sane reasonable non evil people will have the same reaction. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
141
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:50:00 -
[3794] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Reid Ardorei wrote:We've all made mistakes and talked completely out of our ass at times. I hold no ill will to the guy. Proud to give you your first like for a reasonable post. If only the rest of the rabble were also this reasonable. You having fun spamming non important garbage because your leader is in trouble and you are trying to distract from the issue? |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:50:00 -
[3795] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:chumbucket wrote:Did he man up and fall on his own sword? 10000 votes dosent make him immune to self inflicted political suicide. He acted like an idiot he should pay the price for it. I love all the goon emo about not doing anything wrong should he be banned..... no should he be CSM player rep...... no who would want his guy representing them for anything after his little drunken tyraide....... Dude... He publicly apologized, gave the 'victim' 11billion isk, and apologized to him personally. Put down your fuc king noose already. Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. <<--- Check Step two, resign. <<<--- Still waiting Step three, send all my isk to the victim. <<--- Check And goons read this carefully: Entirely my fault and unacceptable. Yet you guys yap on and on about wanting him to go further on it. Maybe not you, but the majority does. As long as the rest of you scrubs call for more, we will step in to defend. Simple as. I'm not sure thats true mr goon. I said from day one I wanted him to resign as chair and if he'd done it in a timely and dignified manner I was even happy for him to serve on the csm so the 10,000 votes were not wasted. But it hasn't stopped the swarm trying (admittedly very unsuccessfully) to flame my posting.
It's hard to take time to change our approach when the majority want him to be banned.
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
75
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:50:00 -
[3796] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:baltec1 wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote:
Sorry to burst a silly little bubble here, but the only one that dragged his name through the mud (and the name of the CSM, CCP and ultimately this community) across as many news sites as possible is Mittani himself, with his actions.
The press will react ad report on what happened, and the readers will judge. As a gaming writer myself, I'm refraining from writing about it for the simple fact that I don't feel that this community deserves the stigma of being represented by someone able to do this kind of aberrant actions, and that's exactly why Mittani should take responsibility and resign, or CCP should force him to. He gave a bad name to us all, and while the goons might not care (since they have a bad name anyway), quite evidently there are many that do.
The fact that most of them got it from an anti-GSF blog site and all of them were mailed by anti-Mittani white knighters has of corse nothing at all to do with it. ' So its OK when Alex runs to all the news outlets during incarnagate but not when people go to them over his murder through proxy by suicide threats?
Holy ****, that murder by proxie hyperbole again. Can you at least try to stay on the same planet as the rest of us? |
Reid Ardorei
Intaki Security and Intelligence Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:50:00 -
[3797] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Reid Ardorei wrote:We've all made mistakes and talked completely out of our ass at times. I hold no ill will to the guy. Proud to give you your first like for a reasonable post.
o7 |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:51:00 -
[3798] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Reid Ardorei wrote:We've all made mistakes and talked completely out of our ass at times. I hold no ill will to the guy. Proud to give you your first like for a reasonable post. If only the rest of the rabble were also this reasonable. You having fun spamming non important garbage because your leader is in trouble and you are trying to distract from the issue?
Psst, I think your forums are still leaking. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
411
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:51:00 -
[3799] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Had my father watch the vid and he was shocked by what he saw and heard. He asked me why would i play a game with people like that in it.
Yeah, I play with some great guys but even I had to double take that moment when my dad said that. Man, I'm sure glad your dad is relevant to this conversation!
But he is, as an outside person that didnt know the ins and outs of the game.
Guess what his perception was of the players of the game.
Its one of the most relevant things in the conversation. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
138
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:51:00 -
[3800] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Had my father watch the vid and he was shocked by what he saw and heard. He asked me why would i play a game with people like that in it.
Yeah, I play with some great guys but even I had to double take that moment when my dad said that. Then your father must be a liberal. Yeah no hes very conservative. Does that make it worse or better for you that he had that reaction? Oh wait it doesnt matter either way, most sane reasonable non evil people will have the same reaction.
So now everyone who makes a mistake, and then owns up to it afterwards, should be considered insane and evil?
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
411
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:52:00 -
[3801] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:baltec1 wrote:Abriael VonRosen wrote:
Sorry to burst a silly little bubble here, but the only one that dragged his name through the mud (and the name of the CSM, CCP and ultimately this community) across as many news sites as possible is Mittani himself, with his actions.
The press will react ad report on what happened, and the readers will judge. As a gaming writer myself, I'm refraining from writing about it for the simple fact that I don't feel that this community deserves the stigma of being represented by someone able to do this kind of aberrant actions, and that's exactly why Mittani should take responsibility and resign, or CCP should force him to. He gave a bad name to us all, and while the goons might not care (since they have a bad name anyway), quite evidently there are many that do.
The fact that most of them got it from an anti-GSF blog site and all of them were mailed by anti-Mittani white knighters has of corse nothing at all to do with it. ' So its OK when Alex runs to all the news outlets during incarnagate but not when people go to them over his murder through proxy by suicide threats? Holy ****, that murder by proxie hyperbole again. Can you at least try to stay on the same planet as the rest of us?
A spade is a spade.
Problem?
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:52:00 -
[3802] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Had my father watch the vid and he was shocked by what he saw and heard. He asked me why would i play a game with people like that in it.
Yeah, I play with some great guys but even I had to double take that moment when my dad said that. Then your father must be a liberal. Yeah no hes very conservative. Does that make it worse or better for you that he had that reaction? Oh wait it doesnt matter either way, most sane reasonable non evil people will have the same reaction.
Then your father must be a carebear.
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Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:52:00 -
[3803] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:chumbucket wrote:Did he man up and fall on his own sword? 10000 votes dosent make him immune to self inflicted political suicide. He acted like an idiot he should pay the price for it. I love all the goon emo about not doing anything wrong should he be banned..... no should he be CSM player rep...... no who would want his guy representing them for anything after his little drunken tyraide....... Dude... He publicly apologized, gave the 'victim' 11billion isk, and apologized to him personally. Put down your fuc king noose already. Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. <<--- Check Step two, resign. <<<--- Still waiting Step three, send all my isk to the victim. <<--- Check And goons read this carefully: Entirely my fault and unacceptable. Yet you guys yap on and on about wanting him to go further on it. Maybe not you, but the majority does. As long as the rest of you scrubs call for more, we will step in to defend. Simple as.
Defend you corpmate is ok... but I don't read the first goon say: Alex need to keep their word and resign.
Simple as |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
141
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:52:00 -
[3804] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:de4deye wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Reid Ardorei wrote:We've all made mistakes and talked completely out of our ass at times. I hold no ill will to the guy. Proud to give you your first like for a reasonable post. If only the rest of the rabble were also this reasonable. You having fun spamming non important garbage because your leader is in trouble and you are trying to distract from the issue? Psst, I think your forums are still leaking. Still, your leader is going to pay - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~ |
Ismol Mond
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:53:00 -
[3805] - Quote
Quote:Had my father watch the vid and he was shocked by what he saw and heard. He asked me why would i play a game with people like that in it.
Rogue if I were you I would follow your father's advice and I would go back to WoW or wherever it is you came from. Simply for both your and my peace of mind. Then once you are gone have your dad start an account here at Eve. I think he might like the game. You would not post here anymore, Eve would still have a subscriber and Mittani would still be CSM. It's a win,win,win option for me especially. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
411
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:53:00 -
[3806] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Had my father watch the vid and he was shocked by what he saw and heard. He asked me why would i play a game with people like that in it.
Yeah, I play with some great guys but even I had to double take that moment when my dad said that. Then your father must be a liberal. Yeah no hes very conservative. Does that make it worse or better for you that he had that reaction? Oh wait it doesnt matter either way, most sane reasonable non evil people will have the same reaction. So now everyone who makes a mistake, and then owns up to it afterwards, should be considered insane and evil?
Still not seeing him say he stepped down from the CSM?
As time goes on and the posts you and yours make im moving to full on ban. |
Suryne
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:53:00 -
[3807] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Had my father watch the vid and he was shocked by what he saw and heard. He asked me why would i play a game with people like that in it.
Yeah, I play with some great guys but even I had to double take that moment when my dad said that. Then your father must be a liberal. Yeah no hes very conservative. Does that make it worse or better for you that he had that reaction? Oh wait it doesnt matter either way, most sane reasonable non evil people will have the same reaction. So now everyone who makes a mistake, and then owns up to it afterwards, should be considered insane and evil?
A douchbag that in the first post states "DEAL WITH IT" certainly does. All the rest is written under pressure and has nothing to do with reality. Guy is a joke and stop being stupid posting about "mistakes" rofl. That was never a mistake. Just inteded crap from a idiot that finally backfired. HTFU! |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
141
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:53:00 -
[3808] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Had my father watch the vid and he was shocked by what he saw and heard. He asked me why would i play a game with people like that in it.
Yeah, I play with some great guys but even I had to double take that moment when my dad said that. Then your father must be a liberal. Yeah no hes very conservative. Does that make it worse or better for you that he had that reaction? Oh wait it doesnt matter either way, most sane reasonable non evil people will have the same reaction. Then your father must be a carebear. Is your dad a forum troll like you? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:53:00 -
[3809] - Quote
de4deye wrote: Still, your leader is going to pay - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~
I remember when Northern Coalition actually mattered in Eve... |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
75
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:54:00 -
[3810] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Still, your leader is going to pay - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~ Is this comment related to your other comment encouraging people to kill The Mittani with fire? |
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:54:00 -
[3811] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:de4deye wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:
Proud to give you your first like for a reasonable post.
If only the rest of the rabble were also this reasonable. You having fun spamming non important garbage because your leader is in trouble and you are trying to distract from the issue? Psst, I think your forums are still leaking. Still, your leader is going to pay - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~
Still, your titan pilots still suck at fits - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~ |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:55:00 -
[3812] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Had my father watch the vid and he was shocked by what he saw and heard. He asked me why would i play a game with people like that in it.
Yeah, I play with some great guys but even I had to double take that moment when my dad said that. Man, I'm sure glad your dad is relevant to this conversation! But he is, as an outside person that didnt know the ins and outs of the game. Guess what his perception was of the players of the game. Its one of the most relevant things in the conversation.
A lot of the stuff that happens in Eve would appear sociopathic, cruel and insane. Yet it happens everyday. Griefing, scamming, smack talking happen everywhere and everyday in this cruel online universe we willingly sign up for. It's why we play.
What's the one thing everyone in that room, on that panel, and watching that stream had in common?
They all play, are interested in playing, or are fascinated by, the cold, cruel universe of Eve.
Again, i'm not trying to say The MIttani did not make a mistake, it's just that in the context of Eve, stuff like this happens all of the time. An outsiders frame of reference is really irrelevant here. |
Suryne
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:56:00 -
[3813] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote: Still, your titan pilots still suck at fits - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~
Holy **** it is so good to see goon tears pouring like Niagara falls! You ran out of all your bullshit arguments and are trying to drail this BUT you're in shock cause people don't give a **** about you.
ROFL!
oh and HTFU! |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:57:00 -
[3814] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:de4deye wrote: Still, your leader is going to pay - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~
I remember when Northern Coalition actually mattered in Eve... You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything. ~10,058~ - Silly goon alts can't even take advice from their own leader =p
Yeah...kinda like NC Titan Pilots...getting advice about how to fit their Titans....oh wait. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
282
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:58:00 -
[3815] - Quote
Let's apply Occam's Razor to a few things here shall we? Which is more likely:
A) Alex is a roleplayer in-game, on forums, and in Twitter B) Alex is a douchebag who is hiding behind RP as an excuse for his usual behaviour.
---
A) Alex was so drunk at the panel that he had an alcohol blackout and couldn't remember anything he said. B) Alex is using the "blackout" as an excuse to cover for his "deal with it" comment. He remembered it fine, just didn't realize it would be such a big deal.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:58:00 -
[3816] - Quote
Suryne wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote: Still, your titan pilots still suck at fits - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~
Holy **** it is so good to see goon tears pouring like Niagara falls! You ran out of all your bullshit arguments and are trying to drail this BUT you're in shock cause people don't give a **** about you. ROFL! oh and HTFU!
Actually I just stopped caring about this threadnaught. A lot of the comments were already said earlier and everything that is being said now is just regurgitated from the previous comments. So instead of coming back with the same ,gentlemanly, British, cool reply, I decided to just give you guys the contempt you deserve.
|
baltec1
916
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Posted - 2012.03.28 16:59:00 -
[3817] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: '
So its OK when Alex runs to all the news outlets during incarnagate but not when people go to them over his murder through proxy by suicide threats?
Mittani got CCP to change their path. Because of him, blasters got fixed along with many many other things.
What is this campain to drag mittanis name throught the mud in the media going to do for the game? |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
76
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 16:59:00 -
[3818] - Quote
Suryne wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote: Still, your titan pilots still suck at fits - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~
Holy **** it is so good to see goon tears pouring like Niagara falls! You ran out of all your bullshit arguments and are trying to drail this BUT you're in shock cause people don't give a **** about you. ROFL! oh and HTFU!
Yes, a 190 page thread about people not caring. Your logic is astounding. |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:00:00 -
[3819] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Let's apply Occam's Razor to a few things here shall we? Which is more likely:
A) Alex is a roleplayer in-game, on forums, and in Twitter B) Alex is a douchebag who is hiding behind RP as an excuse for his usual behaviour.
---
A) Alex was so drunk at the panel that he had an alcohol blackout and couldn't remember anything he said. B) Alex is using the "blackout" as an excuse to cover for his "deal with it" comment. He remembered it fine, just didn't realize it would be such a big deal.
A) Princess Bride intentionally gave bad medical advice earlier in this thread in the hope that people reading would follow it and die B) Princess Bride is just really really stupid |
Bane Necran
197
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:00:00 -
[3820] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Actually I just stopped caring about this threadnaught.
Well, bye.
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Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
139
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:01:00 -
[3821] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote: '
So its OK when Alex runs to all the news outlets during incarnagate but not when people go to them over his murder through proxy by suicide threats?
Mittani got CCP to change their path. Because of him, blasters got fixed along with many many other things. What is this campain to drag mittanis name throught the mud in the media going to do for the game?
Pubbies are jealous of his E-Fame. |
de4deye
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
142
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:02:00 -
[3822] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:de4deye wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:de4deye wrote: Still, your leader is going to pay - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~
I remember when Northern Coalition actually mattered in Eve... You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything. ~10,058~ - Silly goon alts can't even take advice from their own leader =p Yeah...kinda like NC Titan Pilots...getting advice about how to fit their Titans....oh wait. Yes, because that has so much to do with Mittani telling everyone to convince a person to kill himself. Your logic is undeniable. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:02:00 -
[3823] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Actually I just stopped caring about this threadnaught. Well, bye.
Another insightful analysis by our local community. |
Suryne
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:02:00 -
[3824] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Suryne wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote: Still, your titan pilots still suck at fits - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~
Holy **** it is so good to see goon tears pouring like Niagara falls! You ran out of all your bullshit arguments and are trying to drail this BUT you're in shock cause people don't give a **** about you. ROFL! oh and HTFU! Actually I just stopped caring about this threadnaught. A lot of the comments were already said earlier and everything that is being said now is just regurgitated from the previous comments. So instead of coming back with the same ,gentlemanly, British, cool reply, I decided to just give you guys the contempt you deserve. And you shouldn't. As whoever you are you should enforce for rules to be treated with fairness towards all players. Now what it seems like is that some "higher" situated can get away with everything. You never know where will you end up. Being careless about a future you're actually a part of can bite you pretty hard one day. **** goons or anti goons. Think what consequences you can end up with one day if elitism is allowed. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:03:00 -
[3825] - Quote
Doddy wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Still not seeing him say he stepped down from the CSM?
As time goes on and the posts you and yours make im moving to full on ban.
As time goes on Im moving to full on execution for you. But, like you, my opinion doesnt mean ****, so its not going to happen. Feel free to keep on crying, we need to overtake space barbie troll threadnaught. Death Threat reported. Learn to read bro.
Im allowed to interpret it as I want as its directed at me. Its my decision in how its interpreted. I think its serious.
I take the word execution seriously. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:03:00 -
[3826] - Quote
de4deye wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:de4deye wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:de4deye wrote: Still, your leader is going to pay - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~
I remember when Northern Coalition actually mattered in Eve... You're not a valid subscriber, you're a NPC alt. The opinions of NPC alts don't count for anything. ~10,058~ - Silly goon alts can't even take advice from their own leader =p Yeah...kinda like NC Titan Pilots...getting advice about how to fit their Titans....oh wait. Yes, because that has so much to do with Mittani telling everyone to convince a person to kill himself. Your logic is undeniable.
Yes, the Mittani is really Satan in disguise. So when do you start accusing him of being Robert Mugabe in disguise? I believe the logic question is also related to your own.
Edit: NC Titan Pilots not knowing how to fit their Titans has everything to do with this thread. It just confirms your opinions have no validity since you can not into EVE. |
Suryne
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:04:00 -
[3827] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Suryne wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote: Still, your titan pilots still suck at fits - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~
Holy **** it is so good to see goon tears pouring like Niagara falls! You ran out of all your bullshit arguments and are trying to drail this BUT you're in shock cause people don't give a **** about you. ROFL! oh and HTFU! Yes, a 190 page thread about people not caring. Your logic is astounding.
We all care about one thing and not some random goonies trying to defend a ******.
Logic is simple if you are capable of basic thinking. |
Avid Bumhumper
Furian Necromongers
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:04:00 -
[3828] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:chumbucket wrote:Did he man up and fall on his own sword? 10000 votes dosent make him immune to self inflicted political suicide. He acted like an idiot he should pay the price for it. I love all the goon emo about not doing anything wrong should he be banned..... no should he be CSM player rep...... no who would want his guy representing them for anything after his little drunken tyraide....... Dude... He publicly apologized, gave the 'victim' 11billion isk, and apologized to him personally. Put down your fuc king noose already. Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. <<--- Check Step two, resign. <<<--- Still waiting Step three, send all my isk to the victim. <<--- Check And goons read this carefully: Entirely my fault and unacceptable. Yet you guys yap on and on about wanting him to go further on it. Maybe not you, but the majority does. As long as the rest of you scrubs call for more, we will step in to defend. Simple as.
So your defending the behavior as acceptable?
Perhaps this is the real problem, not Mittani, but the type of people he attracts to the game....
Personally, I could care less what Mittani does. I don't believe that the CSM is anything more than a sham to allow CCP to reward people who have given up real life for a online game. If people think that they have any real say in the business, other than paying/not paying, I would recommend getting out and getting some sun. CCP will do whatever they believe is right to stay in business, that is the bottom line.
I am also a big fan of Darwinism, but don't mistake that for a complete lack of moral guidance. If I can help someone in trouble, I will. If I can't, I can't. People have to be able to make their own choices at some point.
However watching some poor soul struggle with the lock on a door of a burning building, and rather than contacting someone who might be able to help him, you instead encourage your ragged band of scammers and griefers to throw gas on the door, in the rational world, most people would consider that stepping over the line.....
My Tinfoil hat has been sugically implanted, so no,it is not for sale..... |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
418
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:04:00 -
[3829] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote: '
So its OK when Alex runs to all the news outlets during incarnagate but not when people go to them over his murder through proxy by suicide threats?
Mittani got CCP to change their path. Because of him, blasters got fixed along with many many other things. What is this campain to drag mittanis name throught the mud in the media going to do for the game?
yeah too bad he came in after the freaking fact to suck up glory about something he did not support initially.
What a laugh. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1358
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:05:00 -
[3830] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Let's apply Occam's Razor to a few things here shall we? Which is more likely:
A) Alex is a roleplayer in-game, on forums, and in Twitter B) Alex is a douchebag who is hiding behind RP as an excuse for his usual behaviour.
---
A) Alex was so drunk at the panel that he had an alcohol blackout and couldn't remember anything he said. B) Alex is using the "blackout" as an excuse to cover for his "deal with it" comment. He remembered it fine, just didn't realize it would be such a big deal.
Well, since we know for a fact he's a role player and we also know for a fact he was drinking heavily, you have pretty much shot yourself in the foot there.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:05:00 -
[3831] - Quote
Suryne wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Suryne wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote: Still, your titan pilots still suck at fits - there's nothing you can do about it. Deal with it~
Holy **** it is so good to see goon tears pouring like Niagara falls! You ran out of all your bullshit arguments and are trying to drail this BUT you're in shock cause people don't give a **** about you. ROFL! oh and HTFU! Yes, a 190 page thread about people not caring. Your logic is astounding. We all care about one thing and not some random goonies trying to defend a ******. Logic is simple if you are capable of basic thinking.
Yet you are responding to us, you must be in self-denial. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
139
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:10:00 -
[3832] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Let's apply Occam's Razor to a few things here shall we? Which is more likely:
A) Alex is a roleplayer in-game, on forums, and in Twitter B) Alex is a douchebag who is hiding behind RP as an excuse for his usual behaviour.
---
A) Alex was so drunk at the panel that he had an alcohol blackout and couldn't remember anything he said. B) Alex is using the "blackout" as an excuse to cover for his "deal with it" comment. He remembered it fine, just didn't realize it would be such a big deal.
Well, since we know for a fact he's a role player and we also know for a fact he was drinking heavily, you have pretty much shot yourself in the foot there. LOL We "know for a fact" The Mittani is a roleplayer? Proof plz?
There is a picture of him LARPing a few pages back. It's a known fact he's into RPing. He's just not a flaming space knight most of you picture when you think of RPing in Eve.
Edit: Here you go. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1644
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:10:00 -
[3833] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote: '
So its OK when Alex runs to all the news outlets during incarnagate but not when people go to them over his murder through proxy by suicide threats?
Mittani got CCP to change their path. Because of him, blasters got fixed along with many many other things. What is this campain to drag mittanis name throught the mud in the media going to do for the game?
No sorry, thats nonsense.
The collective will of the player base last year got CCP to change its path. Originally Mittens (and other CSM members) were quite weak on Incarna and spent time schmoozing with the devs when they should have been critical. Hence the minutes around the time of the fearless leak which had some rum old collaborations in them. But when the player base exploded, jita riots, unsub protest - Mittani and others on the CSM did finally react and helped publicise the protests its fair to say - but its ridiculous to claim that Alex alone was somehow the savour of eve. He simply wasn't.
In the grand of scheme of things he was probably less important than the guy that organized the jita protest or leaked fearless - because those things really caught the imagination of the gaming press and turned media into a weapon to make ccp turn the ship around.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
FLannd Kwerfiden
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:11:00 -
[3834] - Quote
Rivur'Tam wrote:FLannd Kwerfiden wrote:CCP should carry a large portion of the blame for this also.
While its awesome that fanfest includes lots of beer drinking a pub crawl and is not watered down for the kiddies ect. To put these guys together in a room, add alcohol & an audience and not expect something dumb to be said is ridiculous.
Then to even consider streaming it live or having cameras there at all was a truly dumbass decision.
Next year mabey they can do ccp presents while all pissed.
why is it ccp's fault did they make him if your dog bites a child should u be put down if your son thinks he is hard and starts a fight should u get stabbed instead of him you see wher ei'm going with them examples
They didn't make him, but they did let the "dog" of the leash in public.
Would you let a smug dumb drunk chihuahua of the leash? |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
284
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:12:00 -
[3835] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Let's apply Occam's Razor to a few things here shall we? Which is more likely:
A) Alex is a roleplayer in-game, on forums, and in Twitter B) Alex is a douchebag who is hiding behind RP as an excuse for his usual behaviour.
---
A) Alex was so drunk at the panel that he had an alcohol blackout and couldn't remember anything he said. B) Alex is using the "blackout" as an excuse to cover for his "deal with it" comment. He remembered it fine, just didn't realize it would be such a big deal.
Well, since we know for a fact he's a role player and we also know for a fact he was drinking heavily, you have pretty much shot yourself in the foot there. LOL We "know for a fact" The Mittani is a roleplayer? Proof plz? There is a picture of him LARPing a few pages back. It's a known fact he's into RPing. He's just not a flaming space knight most of you picture when you think of RPing in Eve. Edit: Here you go.
A picture of him in "garb" once proves he RPs in forums and Twitter constantly... how?
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
419
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:12:00 -
[3836] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote: '
So its OK when Alex runs to all the news outlets during incarnagate but not when people go to them over his murder through proxy by suicide threats?
Mittani got CCP to change their path. Because of him, blasters got fixed along with many many other things. What is this campain to drag mittanis name throught the mud in the media going to do for the game? yeah too bad he came in after the freaking fact to suck up glory about something he did not support initially. What a laugh. So, what you're saying here is that you don't know what you're talking about. Noted.
I was one of the people that was part of the initial threadnaught before goons even new what it was.
I know damn well what im talking about.
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Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:12:00 -
[3837] - Quote
Suryne wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Suryne wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Suryne wrote:
Holy **** it is so good to see goon tears pouring like Niagara falls! You ran out of all your bullshit arguments and are trying to drail this BUT you're in shock cause people don't give a **** about you.
ROFL!
oh and HTFU!
Yes, a 190 page thread about people not caring. Your logic is astounding. We all care about one thing and not some random goonies trying to defend a ******. Logic is simple if you are capable of basic thinking. Yet you are responding to us, you must be in self-denial. I don't mind challenging your logic once in a while. It really just strenghtens my points stated in previous posts.
You wish to challenge us, therefore using your 'vast' quantities of brain power to challenge us, in a delicate but beautiful battle which is fought upon the 'Logicfield'.
I really don't get what you are trying to prove here but M'kay. Also
'ROFL!
oh and HTFU'
Accusing us of logic infallability when you write drivel like this, shame on you. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1359
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:12:00 -
[3838] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Let's apply Occam's Razor to a few things here shall we? Which is more likely:
A) Alex is a roleplayer in-game, on forums, and in Twitter B) Alex is a douchebag who is hiding behind RP as an excuse for his usual behaviour.
---
A) Alex was so drunk at the panel that he had an alcohol blackout and couldn't remember anything he said. B) Alex is using the "blackout" as an excuse to cover for his "deal with it" comment. He remembered it fine, just didn't realize it would be such a big deal.
Well, since we know for a fact he's a role player and we also know for a fact he was drinking heavily, you have pretty much shot yourself in the foot there. LOL We "know for a fact" The Mittani is a roleplayer? Proof plz? There is a picture of him LARPing a few pages back. It's a known fact he's into RPing. He's just not a flaming space knight most of you picture when you think of RPing in Eve. Edit: Here you go.
By the way, is that Spider Man armor he is wearing? Some sort of cross genre LARP fest perhaps? When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
17
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:14:00 -
[3839] - Quote
Montague Zooma wrote:I'm not really a sociopath, I'm simply someone who enjoys duplicating such behavior with 100% accuracy. Yeah, right.
I'm fed up with being associated with a game that rewards this kind of human garbage and that's why I'm outta here. Came back for a month after leaving Eve last year, and this incident shows I was right to walk away.
I'm too old for this crap.
** cool story ** |
Admiral Machiavelli
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:15:00 -
[3840] - Quote
If you guys really wanted to punish The Mittani, instead of banning you should be insisting that he attend the next fanfest sober.
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Suryne
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:15:00 -
[3841] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:
You wish to challenge us, therefore using your 'vast' quantities of brain power to challenge us, in a delicate but beautiful battle which is fought upon the 'Logicfield'.
I really don't get what you are trying to prove here but M'kay. Also
'ROFL!
oh and HTFU'
Accusing us of logic infallability when you write drivel like this, shame on you.
About that "also" part... Whay rofl about it? That's the common phrase you goons use dude. I'm just quoting but in context of this discussion it bothers you the **** out :)
Pure win here as far as I can tell. You guys a whiney ponies as far as I can see :) |
Davlin Lotze
Raging Destruction
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:19:00 -
[3842] - Quote
I see Goons are still the "**** stain" of Eve. |
Immortis Vexx
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:19:00 -
[3843] - Quote
I have serious mixed feelings about all of this. On one hand, I *HATE* goons, on the other, I think that Goons is a great part of EVE and a necessary force of evil. What was said was out of line, and I appreciate the apology given. However, I do not think that The Mittani should step down from the CSM. We all say things that we shouldn't. We have all messed up and it is in fact part of human nature. I truly hope that CCP finds a legal loophole that allows them to let this one go.
Vexx |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1647
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:19:00 -
[3844] - Quote
Admiral Saxif Kharn wrote:Apparently my thread was locked and told to post here, so here is my post. Though it doesnt appear to be th esame topic exactly.If the precedent is set with The Mittani being punished, then all I ask is that all other players who act in a hateful or insulting way on the same scale be punished equally.
Sure I vote that any player acting in this way should be stripped of CSM status.
Next.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
139
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:19:00 -
[3845] - Quote
Because sitting in your basement raging about drunken antics is less nerdy than LARPing with hella hot chicks. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1359
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:20:00 -
[3846] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Let's apply Occam's Razor to a few things here shall we? Which is more likely:
A) Alex is a roleplayer in-game, on forums, and in Twitter B) Alex is a douchebag who is hiding behind RP as an excuse for his usual behaviour.
---
A) Alex was so drunk at the panel that he had an alcohol blackout and couldn't remember anything he said. B) Alex is using the "blackout" as an excuse to cover for his "deal with it" comment. He remembered it fine, just didn't realize it would be such a big deal.
Well, since we know for a fact he's a role player and we also know for a fact he was drinking heavily, you have pretty much shot yourself in the foot there. LOL We "know for a fact" The Mittani is a roleplayer? Proof plz? There is a picture of him LARPing a few pages back. It's a known fact he's into RPing. He's just not a flaming space knight most of you picture when you think of RPing in Eve. Edit: Here you go. A picture of him in "garb" once proves he RPs in forums and Twitter constantly... how?
Lets apply Occam's Razor shall we?
A: We have photographic evidence of him not only role playing, but in full LARP mode. His interest in it is a running joke among thousands of players. He enjoys role playing a great deal.
B: We have a one time photo of him wearing what is probably an expensive set of custom fit armor alongside what is possibly his wife (also in full costume). It is undoubtably the only time he has done this and the embarrassment has forced him to hate RP with a passion.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
419
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:20:00 -
[3847] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
In addition. Lets not forget that Alexander Gianturco played Nevil Chamberlain after the televised meeting between himself and CCP thousand dollar jeans. He returned to the player base with some vague promises and unsatisfactory words and said "there will be peace in our time."
The player base erupted in more rage and subs began to dip and because nobody was happy with Mittani's compromise (which in truth was rubbish.)
CCP only acted to save their game and begin Crucible because player unsubscription showed them a glimpse into the darkness if they ignored what they were being told by the player base.
Mittani would later ride that wave and attempt to take credit but those who were there remember he was very slow to take the cause and was reacting and following events rather than leading them.
Yup I was one of the leaders of the charge on that baloney he came back with. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1647
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:21:00 -
[3848] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
In addition. Lets not forget that Alexander Gianturco played Nevil Chamberlain after the televised meeting between himself and CCP thousand dollar jeans. He returned to the player base with some vague promises and unsatisfactory words and said "there will be peace in our time."
The player base erupted in more rage and subs began to dip and because nobody was happy with Mittani's compromise (which in truth was rubbish.)
CCP only acted to save their game and begin Crucible because player unsubscription showed them a glimpse into the darkness if they ignored what they were being told by the player base.
Mittani would later ride that wave and attempt to take credit but those who were there remember he was very slow to take the cause and was reacting and following events rather than leading them.
Yup I was one of the leaders of the charge on that baloney he came back with.
Yep that you were.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Admiral Saxif Kharn
Kharns Anvil
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:21:00 -
[3849] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:'
So its OK when Alex runs to all the news outlets during incarnagate but not when people go to them over his murder through proxy by suicide threats?
Mittani got CCP to change their path. Because of him, blasters got fixed along with many many other things.
What is this campain to drag mittanis name throught the mud in the media going to do for the game?[/quote]
yeah too bad he came in after the freaking fact to suck up glory about something he did not support initially.
What a laugh. [/quote] So, what you're saying here is that you don't know what you're talking about.
Noted.[/quote]
I was one of the people that was part of the initial threadnaught before goons even new what it was.
I know damn well what im talking about. [/quote]
Lets try and keep to the truth shall we? People unsubbed, THEN that interview was aired after CCP had decided they had messed up, teh emergency CSM meeting was held, stuff was promised.
In addition. Lets not forget that Alexander Gianturco played Nevil Chamberlain after the televised meeting between himself and CCP thousand dollar jeans. He returned to the player base with some vague promises and unsatisfactory words and said "there will be peace in our time."
The player base erupted in more rage and subs began to dip and because nobody was happy with Mittani's compromise (which in truth was rubbish.)
CCP only acted to save their game and begin Crucible because player unsubscription showed them a glimpse into the darkness if they ignored what they were being told by the player base.
Mittani would later ride that wave and attempt to take credit but those who were there remember he was very slow to take the cause and was reacting and following events rather than leading them. [/quote]
Lets try and keep to the truth shall we? People unsubbed, THEN that interview was aired after CCP had decided they had messed up, teh emergency CSM meeting was held, stuff was promised.
I am neutral in this argument, but the truth is important, from both sides. Lying simply invalidates everything you may have said. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
419
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:21:00 -
[3850] - Quote
Immortis Vexx wrote:I have serious mixed feelings about all of this. On one hand, I *HATE* goons, on the other, I think that Goons is a great part of EVE and a necessary force of evil. What was said was out of line, and I appreciate the apology given. However, I do not think that The Mittani should step down from the CSM. We all say things that we shouldn't. We have all messed up and it is in fact part of human nature. I truly hope that CCP finds a legal loophole that allows them to let this one go.
Vexx
I think that Goons is a great part of EVE
I found your mistake. |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
76
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:21:00 -
[3851] - Quote
Can't argue with you there. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:21:00 -
[3852] - Quote
Xython wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Well hello there Geeeewwwns.... Hey. Sup? Enjoying the NPC corp? Yeh,pretty much. Hey how's your NPC corp doin btw? |
Captain Trousers
Thunderwaffles Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:22:00 -
[3853] - Quote
(10:14:48 AM) directorbot: This whole thing has just gone **** crazy and I can't take the stress of it anymore. In an hour I will be stepping down from life. Welp see ya.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored *** |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
76
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:22:00 -
[3854] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Immortis Vexx wrote:I have serious mixed feelings about all of this. On one hand, I *HATE* goons, on the other, I think that Goons is a great part of EVE and a necessary force of evil. What was said was out of line, and I appreciate the apology given. However, I do not think that The Mittani should step down from the CSM. We all say things that we shouldn't. We have all messed up and it is in fact part of human nature. I truly hope that CCP finds a legal loophole that allows them to let this one go.
Vexx Immortis Vexx wrote:I think that Goons is a great part of EVE I found your mistake.
Careful, your bias is showing. |
Arec Bardwin
Perkone Caldari State
262
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:22:00 -
[3855] - Quote
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:23:00 -
[3856] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Well hello there Geeeewwwns.... Why a hello to you too. Have you come to join us in the warm sunshine? Lol,yeh m waiting for my patch to dld. ****** connect. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
139
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:23:00 -
[3857] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Immortis Vexx wrote:I have serious mixed feelings about all of this. On one hand, I *HATE* goons, on the other, I think that Goons is a great part of EVE and a necessary force of evil. What was said was out of line, and I appreciate the apology given. However, I do not think that The Mittani should step down from the CSM. We all say things that we shouldn't. We have all messed up and it is in fact part of human nature. I truly hope that CCP finds a legal loophole that allows them to let this one go.
Vexx Immortis Vexx wrote:I think that Goons is a great part of EVE I found your mistake.
And how many newbies have you recruited to Eve? |
Admiral Saxif Kharn
Kharns Anvil
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:24:00 -
[3858] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: In addition. Lets not forget that Alexander Gianturco played Nevil Chamberlain after the televised meeting between himself and CCP thousand dollar jeans. He returned to the player base with some vague promises and unsatisfactory words and said "there will be peace in our time."
The player base erupted in more rage and subs began to dip and because nobody was happy with Mittani's compromise (which in truth was rubbish.)
CCP only acted to save their game and begin Crucible because player unsubscription showed them a glimpse into the darkness if they ignored what they were being told by the player base.
Mittani would later ride that wave and attempt to take credit but those who were there remember he was very slow to take the cause and was reacting and following events rather than leading them.
Lets try and keep to the truth shall we? People unsubbed, THEN that interview was aired after CCP had decided they had messed up, teh emergency CSM meeting was held, stuff was promised. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1647
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:25:00 -
[3859] - Quote
Captain Trousers wrote:(10:14:48 AM) directorbot: This whole thing has just gone **** crazy and I can't take the stress of it anymore. In an hour I will be stepping down from life. Welp see ya.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
That isn't as good as my one was.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
419
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:25:00 -
[3860] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Immortis Vexx wrote:I have serious mixed feelings about all of this. On one hand, I *HATE* goons, on the other, I think that Goons is a great part of EVE and a necessary force of evil. What was said was out of line, and I appreciate the apology given. However, I do not think that The Mittani should step down from the CSM. We all say things that we shouldn't. We have all messed up and it is in fact part of human nature. I truly hope that CCP finds a legal loophole that allows them to let this one go.
Vexx Immortis Vexx wrote:I think that Goons is a great part of EVE I found your mistake. Careful, your bias is showing.
Yup you goon alts and Goons helped form it over the last few days with your responses and pro killing people irl stance.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:26:00 -
[3861] - Quote
Admiral Saxif Kharn wrote:Apparently my thread was locked and told to post here, so here is my post. Though it doesnt appear to be th esame topic exactly.
If the precedent is set with The Mittani being punished, then all I ask is that all other players who act in a hateful or insulting way on the same scale be punished equally.
IE, Mittani is banned from Eve, then ALL petitioned people proven to send hate mail/forum posts/chat with death threats or any kind of 'die in a fire' 'go kill yourself' style mails and forum posts should also be banned form Eve.
If Mittani is punished by being stripped of CSM cahir or CSM membership then CCP will have to figure out an equal punishment that can be metered out to the above players who deal out that kind of stuff on a daily basis in game.
Fairness means equal punishment for an equal transgression.
The bigger issue to the event, wasn't a single mail, or the grief, so much, but more of an insiting for people to harass somebody else in response to the suicide mail that he presented. The instigation is the bigger thing. So the precidence is for punishment of people who harass or promote harassment of another in game based solely on a request not to harass when the person did what they could to the extent of game mechanics to avoid it. My two bits anyways. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
51
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:26:00 -
[3862] - Quote
Admiral Saxif Kharn wrote:Apparently my thread was locked and told to post here, so here is my post. Though it doesnt appear to be th esame topic exactly If the precedent is set with The Mittani being punished, then all I ask is that all other players who act in a hateful or insulting way on the same scale be punished equally IE, Mittani is banned from Eve, then ALL petitioned people proven to send hate mail/forum posts/chat with death threats or any kind of 'die in a fire' 'go kill yourself' style mails and forum posts should also be banned form Eve If Mittani is punished by being stripped of CSM cahir or CSM membership then CCP will have to figure out an equal punishment that can be metered out to the above players who deal out that kind of stuff on a daily basis in game Fairness means equal punishment for an equal transgression
do you not think people have been warned and sometimes banned for being over aggressive toward people in game, you can bet your balls they have. |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
189
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:26:00 -
[3863] - Quote
We can't all be hippies. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:28:00 -
[3864] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Xython wrote:Princess Bride wrote:There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode This is by far the most coherent I've ever seen you. Keep it up. So I edited the original post which you must have missed. That's okay, I'll laugh my ass off again in this reply. Ready? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!No seriously, funniest pic EVA. Thank you to the guy who dug that up to give me the biggest laugh so far today!
Wasn't this already on the eve wikipedia under 'The Mittani' anyway? |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
523
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:28:00 -
[3865] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Xython wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Well hello there Geeeewwwns.... Hey. Sup? Enjoying the NPC corp? Yeh,pretty much. Hey how's your NPC corp doin btw?
Eh, my alt is doing fine. Lots of Japanese newbies showing up, which is good for the game. Still, I'm a bit worried about all the Otaku it might attract. Do we really want people like this in our EVE? Kinda disgusting.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1649
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:28:00 -
[3866] - Quote
Admiral Saxif Kharn wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Admiral Saxif Kharn wrote:Apparently my thread was locked and told to post here, so here is my post. Though it doesnt appear to be th esame topic exactly.If the precedent is set with The Mittani being punished, then all I ask is that all other players who act in a hateful or insulting way on the same scale be punished equally. Sure I vote that any player acting in this way should be stripped of CSM status. Next. Yep, tahts your vote. Seems its ok for people to issue death threats by mail to other players then yeah? Sorry, Im afraid I cant really put much faith in a player who runs online cybering as a passtime, kind of wierds me out that you pretend to be a girl and cyber with men.. Call me odd, but hey...
hmm you really shouldn't listen to Alexander Gianturco's little fantasies you know. But thanks for revealing yourself as a sordid little troll.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Bane Necran
197
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:29:00 -
[3867] - Quote
Captain Trousers wrote:(10:14:48 AM) directorbot: This whole thing has just gone **** crazy and I can't take the stress of it anymore. In an hour I will be stepping down from life. Welp see ya.
*** This was a broadcast from the_mittani to all-all, replies are not monitored ***
Well that's a strange reaction for him to have to his own inability to resign. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:29:00 -
[3868] - Quote
8 more pages!! Gogogo! Do eeeeet!!! |
Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
33
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:29:00 -
[3869] - Quote
Sad. CCP makes an event, specifically bills it as uncensored and live, puts the Goons on it, and then low and behold finally some big controversial **** hits the fan... and everyone is blaming Goons?
Goons don't kill people, CCP kills people, with Goons. |
Admiral Saxif Kharn
Kharns Anvil
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:30:00 -
[3870] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Admiral Saxif Kharn wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Admiral Saxif Kharn wrote:Apparently my thread was locked and told to post here, so here is my post. Though it doesnt appear to be th esame topic exactly.If the precedent is set with The Mittani being punished, then all I ask is that all other players who act in a hateful or insulting way on the same scale be punished equally. Sure I vote that any player acting in this way should be stripped of CSM status. Next. Yep, tahts your vote. Seems its ok for people to issue death threats by mail to other players then yeah? Sorry, Im afraid I cant really put much faith in a player who runs online cybering as a passtime, kind of wierds me out that you pretend to be a girl and cyber with men.. Call me odd, but hey... hmm you really shouldn't listen to Alexander Gianturco's little fantasies you know. But thanks for revealing yourself as a sordid little troll.
Sorry, no troll here, Im all for punishment. OF EVERYBODY WHO SENDS RL THREATS OR ANYTHING THAT CAN CAUSE RL ANGUISH.
The cybering thing is from your old website that used to be linked in your bio. Some of us remember many things from the past. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:30:00 -
[3871] - Quote
Xython wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Xython wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Well hello there Geeeewwwns.... Hey. Sup? Enjoying the NPC corp? Yeh,pretty much. Hey how's your NPC corp doin btw? Eh, my alt is doing fine. Lots of Japanese newbies showing up, which is good for the game. Still, I'm a bit worried about all the Otaku it might attract. Do we really want people like this in our EVE? Kinda disgusting. oO scary thought. I wonder if they have transforming Ibis' on their server. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
286
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:31:00 -
[3872] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Xython wrote:Princess Bride wrote:There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode This is by far the most coherent I've ever seen you. Keep it up. So I edited the original post which you must have missed. That's okay, I'll laugh my ass off again in this reply. Ready? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!No seriously, funniest pic EVA. Thank you to the guy who dug that up to give me the biggest laugh so far today! Wasn't this already on the eve wikipedia under 'The Mittani' anyway?
You are correct sir. In that I would not know because why the **** would I look him up on eve wikipedia? LOL I mean I realize it must be a common stop on the goon fap train, but really, who else would go there? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Immortis Vexx
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:32:00 -
[3873] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Immortis Vexx wrote:I have serious mixed feelings about all of this. On one hand, I *HATE* goons, on the other, I think that Goons is a great part of EVE and a necessary force of evil. What was said was out of line, and I appreciate the apology given. However, I do not think that The Mittani should step down from the CSM. We all say things that we shouldn't. We have all messed up and it is in fact part of human nature. I truly hope that CCP finds a legal loophole that allows them to let this one go.
Vexx Immortis Vexx wrote:I think that Goons is a great part of EVE I found your mistake. Careful, your bias is showing. Yup you goon alts and Goons helped form it over the last few days with your responses and pro killing people irl stance.
I am NOT a goon alt. Nor would I ever want to be. Goonswarm is a group of pure evil and vile intent. You cannot have light without the dark though. Also, it gives us something to b**** about on the forums ^_~ |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
523
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:32:00 -
[3874] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Xython wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Xython wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Well hello there Geeeewwwns.... Hey. Sup? Enjoying the NPC corp? Yeh,pretty much. Hey how's your NPC corp doin btw? Eh, my alt is doing fine. Lots of Japanese newbies showing up, which is good for the game. Still, I'm a bit worried about all the Otaku it might attract. Do we really want people like this in our EVE? Kinda disgusting. oO scary thought. I wonder if they have transforming Ibis' on their server.
Actually I'd train for a, say, battleship that had something similar to the siege mode of Dreadnoughts -- you know, switch between a faster, close range ship and a stationary long range attacker?
But no, they're on our server -- they're all over the newbie channels right now in highsec. |
5tann
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:34:00 -
[3875] - Quote
snaps for posting an apology, hard and fast lesson for all, keep it in the game. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:34:00 -
[3876] - Quote
Xython wrote:Actually I'd train for a, say, battleship that had something similar to the siege mode of Dreadnoughts -- you know, switch between a faster, close range ship and a stationary long range attacker?
But no, they're on our server -- they're all over the newbie channels right now in highsec. Nice! So single shard all the way I guess.
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Admiral Saxif Kharn
Kharns Anvil
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:35:00 -
[3877] - Quote
Immortis Vexx wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Immortis Vexx wrote:[b wrote: I think that Goons is a great part of EVE[/b] I found your mistake. Careful, your bias is showing.
Yup you goon alts and Goons helped form it over the last few days with your responses and pro killing people irl stance. [/quote]
I am NOT a goon alt. Nor would I ever want to be. Goonswarm is a group of pure evil and vile intent. You cannot have light without the dark though. Also, it gives us something to b**** about on the forums ^_~ [/quote]
Sadly anyone who doesnt agree with the guys screaming for only one side to be punished are going to be called a Goon alt, I already have been lol |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
139
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 17:40:00 -
[3878] - Quote
Alexander Taos wrote:Could it be possible the whole suicide evemail thing was a fake ploy to try and get some sort of compensation for the destruction of 22 macks?
Or even simpler than that... attention? |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
523
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:41:00 -
[3879] - Quote
Alexander Taos wrote:Could it be possible the whole suicide evemail thing was a fake ploy to try and get some sort of compensation for the destruction of 22 macks?
... Of course it was. That's why Mittani was mocking him. |
Yoma Karima
Kuloldas
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:43:00 -
[3880] - Quote
Anyone wana bet what time today this forum hits 200 pages? Those who wish to end War wish to end what it means to be human. Those who advocate War do not know its power. Yet Those who learn from War will be remembered for all time.
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:43:00 -
[3881] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: And for good reason if you have been in these threads since the start.
You may or may not be a goon alt. But many are or are goon pets that are part of the Cult. You have to accept that if you are going to wade into this even with the best of intentions.
Dude, youve become a caricature of yourself, you are either a comic genius and a master troll, or genuinely retar ded. Not sure which... |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
420
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:43:00 -
[3882] - Quote
Xython wrote:Alexander Taos wrote:Could it be possible the whole suicide evemail thing was a fake ploy to try and get some sort of compensation for the destruction of 22 macks? ... Of course it was. That's why Mittani was mocking him.
Mocking or calling for him to die in real life.
very different things. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1359
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:43:00 -
[3883] - Quote
Alexander Taos wrote:Could it be possible the whole suicide evemail thing was a fake ploy to try and get some sort of compensation for the destruction of 22 macks?
NO WAY!!! When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Admiral Saxif Kharn
Kharns Anvil
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:44:00 -
[3884] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:[quote=Admiral Saxif Kharnol
And for good reason if you have been in these threads since the start.
You may or may not be a goon alt. But many are or are goon pets that are part of the Cult. You have to accept that if you are going to wade into this even with the best of intentions. [/quote]
I have only recently posted, and what I am saying is that ALL people who issue death threats and so on should get banned form eve when petitioned. No, im not a goon alt, I want equality. Everyone willing to cause RL anguish from a game should be treated the same no matter what medium they use to inflict it. No matter what their stature in game. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1359
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:44:00 -
[3885] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote: And for good reason if you have been in these threads since the start.
You may or may not be a goon alt. But many are or are goon pets that are part of the Cult. You have to accept that if you are going to wade into this even with the best of intentions.
Dude, youve become a caricature of yourself, you are either a comic genius and a master troll, or genuinely retar ded. Not sure which...
I'm fairly certain he also firmly believes "The Colburn Report" is pro Republican. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
knobber Jobbler
104
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:54:00 -
[3886] - Quote
Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!
You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.
None of you clearly saw the world of darkness interview about permadeath as its no different to this. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
77
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:05:00 -
[3887] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: There were no real life consequences. When are you going to admit this fact?
Bad press for CCP is one RL consequence. Lets not forget that it opens the door to it happening again if they do nothing to stop it now. And next time we might not be so lucky. We were lucky this got quashed so fast and that people notice the ramifications of what alex did. This is not a situation where we have to wait for a dead body. We already have real world examples of this happening and how to prevent it. Lets not play games with peoples lives when we could easily and simply not have a tragedy happen by enforcing punishment on the issue.
So fast? This story didn't break for days after the actual event. It doesn't matter how many times you lie about the timeline, it will not change.
Additionally, let's outlaw forks because some day someone might stab someone else in the eye with one.
Jesus, are you even listening to yourself? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1360
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:10:00 -
[3888] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Magnus Orin wrote:Raneru wrote:Gosh all this role playing is fun.
Personally, I think that the solution to this next year is to just not broadcast any of the fanfest events where alcohol is involved as people on the internets seem to analyse every sentence that is said in a non-serious player (and alcohol) driven event.
I'm guessing that what will actually happen is next year there will be no alliance panel, no quiz and no battle of the bands, just in case this crap happens again. If you can't play nice then CCP will take your toys away from you.
Once again I'll state it. Pubbies have ruined Fanfest. RIP Sorry I was laughing so hard the goon post threatening everyone who posted against them in this thread with in-game griefing and I managed to misread your comment as .. "Pubes have ruined fanfest." And I just wondered HOW ON EARTH CAN THAT HAPPEN.
Well, I've seen a few in my time that were a real buzz kill...
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:11:00 -
[3889] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:High sec pubbies are terrified of goons. You serious? Ahahahahahah
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baltec1
917
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:12:00 -
[3890] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
So are you willfully ignoring that he did call for him to die.
What does that highlighter part mean to you then?
I see you are ignoring the fact it was a joke, as was the rest of his speech. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:12:00 -
[3891] - Quote
Aldarica wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:High sec pubbies are terrified of goons. You serious? Ahahahahahah Hahahahaha |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
428
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:13:00 -
[3892] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote: There were no real life consequences. When are you going to admit this fact?
Bad press for CCP is one RL consequence. Lets not forget that it opens the door to it happening again if they do nothing to stop it now. And next time we might not be so lucky. We were lucky this got quashed so fast and that people notice the ramifications of what alex did. This is not a situation where we have to wait for a dead body. We already have real world examples of this happening and how to prevent it. Lets not play games with peoples lives when we could easily and simply not have a tragedy happen by enforcing punishment on the issue. So fast? This story didn't break for days after the actual event. It doesn't matter how many times you lie about the timeline, it will not change. Additionally, let's outlaw forks because some day someone might stab someone else in the eye with one. Jesus, are you even listening to yourself?
Your examples arnt even close to the same thing as what i said.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
428
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:13:00 -
[3893] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
So are you willfully ignoring that he did call for him to die.
What does that highlighter part mean to you then?
I see you are ignoring the fact it was a joke, as was the rest of his speech.
A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
But i watched it and it didnt sound like a joke when he said it. Even my father said the same thing.
I had him watch casue i wasnt sure if it was just me. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:14:00 -
[3894] - Quote
Aldarica wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:High sec pubbies are terrified of goons. You serious? Ahahahahahah I'm going to quote this post again when Jita burns. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
78
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:15:00 -
[3895] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
So are you willfully ignoring that he did call for him to die.
What does that highlighter part mean to you then?
I see you are ignoring the fact it was a joke, as was the rest of his speech. A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke? But i watched it and it didnt sound like a joke when he said it. Even my father said the same thing. I had him watch casue i wasnt sure if it was just me. The Wis is dead c/d |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
524
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:15:00 -
[3896] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!
You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.
Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want.
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Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:20:00 -
[3897] - Quote
Sorry just to clarify somthing, are the goons threatening vengance on Eve if Mittens resigns from the CSM? |
Admiral Machiavelli
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:21:00 -
[3898] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
A person is not responsible for the insane actions taken by another because they overreact to a joke. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
25
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:21:00 -
[3899] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Sorry just to clarify somthing, are the goons threatening vengance on Eve if Mittens resigns from the CSM?
Considering the Goons mantra is "Ruin the game for everyone else" I'm unclear as to how this wouldn't bee business as usual.....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:21:00 -
[3900] - Quote
Xython wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!
You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.
Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want.
And by defending Mittani's actions you're helping them.
Good job. |
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:22:00 -
[3901] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Sorry just to clarify somthing, are the goons threatening vengance on Eve if Mittens resigns from the CSM?
It's about time something exciting happened, these petty wars in nullsec have gotten boring, I do miss the bob era; the drama the intrigue, the fights, it's time for full war. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1661
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:22:00 -
[3902] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Sorry just to clarify somthing, are the goons threatening vengance on Eve if Mittens resigns from the CSM?
Mittani's twitter feed says they are going to offer every hisec trade hub corp in eve a mutual wardec to bring terror to hisec unless the "king of space" is allowed to reclaim his crown.
* it doesn't really I'm joking.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
106
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:22:00 -
[3903] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote: For what it's worth, there was quite a bit of chat about it when it first happened in the E-UNI chat channel and in the Facebook posting thing underneath the stream.
Clearly the major public outcry wasn't so expedient, but then again I'm sure there were a lot of people who weren't watching the stream. Making any kind of assumption based on the timeframe when outcry started to accelerate (or that it's solely because it came after CSM election results were announced) is post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
This is one of the reasons why this thread is so pathetic. There are probably half a dozen genuinely concerned people posting, but most of the 'crucify mittens' squad are just joining the witchunt to get mittens banned, irrespective of what he has actually done, simply because he is mittens, and he won the election so convincingly, leaving a fair few people with major butthurt. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1361
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:22:00 -
[3904] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:Sorry just to clarify somthing, are the goons threatening vengance on Eve if Mittens resigns from the CSM?
No, they didn't actually... which is something of a shame actually. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:23:00 -
[3905] - Quote
Admiral Machiavelli wrote:RougeOperator wrote: A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
A person is not responsible for the insane actions taken by another because they overreact to a joke.
why cant you show a minimum sign of class and at least admit the same as your leader did ? |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:23:00 -
[3906] - Quote
Admiral Machiavelli wrote:RougeOperator wrote: A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
A person is not responsible for the insane actions taken by another because they overreact to a joke.
As a retired lwayer, your Queen should be able to tell you otherwise.....
Or perhaps you should read the news, instead of surfing p***.....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1361
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:26:00 -
[3907] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Admiral Machiavelli wrote:RougeOperator wrote: A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
A person is not responsible for the insane actions taken by another because they overreact to a joke. As a retired lwayer, your Queen should be able to tell you otherwise..... Or perhaps you should read the news, instead of surfing p***.....
So if I hang myself because of the poor quality of your posts, YOU are responsible.
I'll keep that in mind and let my insurance company know.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:27:00 -
[3908] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Two quick points here:
1) It's a common tactic for bullies to say they were "just kidding" when someone confronts them with their bullying. 2) Alex does not say he was joking in his apology.
Well spoken |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
83
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:27:00 -
[3909] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Amity Lane wrote: For what it's worth, there was quite a bit of chat about it when it first happened in the E-UNI chat channel and in the Facebook posting thing underneath the stream.
Clearly the major public outcry wasn't so expedient, but then again I'm sure there were a lot of people who weren't watching the stream. Making any kind of assumption based on the timeframe when outcry started to accelerate (or that it's solely because it came after CSM election results were announced) is post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
This is one of the reasons why this thread is so pathetic. There are probably half a dozen genuinely concerned people posting, but most of the 'crucify mittens' squad are just joining the witchunt to get mittens banned, irrespective of what he has actually done, simply because he is mittens, and he won the election so convincingly, leaving a fair few people with major butthurt. I'm confused. Did you mean to reply to another post and quote mine by mistake?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
432
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:28:00 -
[3910] - Quote
Admiral Machiavelli wrote:RougeOperator wrote: A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
A person is not responsible for the insane overreactions someone has over something said in jest.
He does when he is a person in power egging on others to drive someone to their death. Ever hear of Incitement?
Is there anything in between your chair and keyboard?
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knobber Jobbler
105
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:28:00 -
[3911] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Xython wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!
You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.
Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want. And by defending Mittani's actions you're helping them. Good job.
No, I'm not defending him, I'm saying get over it already. You're behaving like a bunch of children complaining to the teacher, causing a whole load of hyperbolic noise. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:29:00 -
[3912] - Quote
To the Mittani
To be, or not to be: that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, Or to take arms against a sea of troubles, And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep; No more; and by a sleep to say we end The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
shakespeare
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Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:29:00 -
[3913] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
But i watched it and it didnt sound like a joke when he said it. Even my father said the same thing.
I had him watch casue i wasnt sure if it was just me.
Then both of you are daft. Nobody would have harrassed him in game bacause that will get you banned. Everything said at the alliance presentation was far from serious. Nobody would have killed themselves over this. Indeed, if not for people like you very few would have even heard about it including Wis who, as well not not givinga damn about the whole issue, turned out to be lieing about suicide in the first place.
You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.
Who is the daft? |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
150
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:29:00 -
[3914] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:So if I hang myself because of the poor quality of your posts, YOU are responsible.
Not unless he keeps emailing (spamming) them to you. |
Degren
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
94
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:29:00 -
[3915] - Quote
On a related note:
Guys, my wife is making bread!
Yesss |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:29:00 -
[3916] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Sorry just to clarify somthing, are the goons threatening vengance on Eve if Mittens resigns from the CSM? No, they didn't... which is something of a shame actually.
Awwwwwwwwwwww
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
432
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:29:00 -
[3917] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Admiral Machiavelli wrote:RougeOperator wrote: A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
A person is not responsible for the insane actions taken by another because they overreact to a joke. As a retired lwayer, your Queen should be able to tell you otherwise..... Or perhaps you should read the news, instead of surfing p***..... So if I hang myself because of the poor quality of your posts, YOU are responsible. I'll keep that in mind and let my insurance company know.
Making light of suicide in a thread about the ramifications of suicide and driving people to suicide.
You proud of yourself yet? |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
92
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:30:00 -
[3918] - Quote
Yoma Karima wrote:Their is a bug eating this forum it was a t 191 page yet fell back to 190 and can't seem to get above it.
Fairly certain it's a moderator, not a bug. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, GUYS! |
Prince Kobol
424
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:31:00 -
[3919] - Quote
Giuliano Verti wrote:baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
But i watched it and it didnt sound like a joke when he said it. Even my father said the same thing.
I had him watch casue i wasnt sure if it was just me.
Then both of you are daft. Nobody would have harrassed him in game bacause that will get you banned. Everything said at the alliance presentation was far from serious. Nobody would have killed themselves over this. Indeed, if not for people like you very few would have even heard about it including Wis who, as well not not givinga damn about the whole issue, turned out to be lieing about suicide in the first place. You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake. Who is the daft?
You said he has acknowledged his mistake?
All I see is somebody who is famous for being a lying, scamming, pubbie hating bastard making a post on a forum.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
74
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:31:00 -
[3920] - Quote
This thread is now about Rowsdower.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6OPyfQxwDM
Rowsdowwwwwweeerrr! |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1361
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:32:00 -
[3921] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:So if I hang myself because of the poor quality of your posts, YOU are responsible.
Not unless he keeps emailing (spamming) them to you.
How many times was it that Mittani emailed the poor man... I forget.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:33:00 -
[3922] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Two quick points here:
1) It's a common tactic for bullies to say they were "just kidding" when someone confronts them with their bullying. 2) Alex does not say he was joking in his apology.
Taking the conjunction of your points will lead us to the conclusion that Alex was not bullying. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
92
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:33:00 -
[3923] - Quote
Raneru wrote:Gosh all this role playing is fun.
Personally, I think that the solution to this next year is to just not broadcast any of the fanfest events where alcohol is involved as people on the internets seem to analyse every sentence that is said in a non-serious player (and alcohol) driven event. I think the solution to this next year is to do it exactly the same way it was done this year, and then publicly and swiftly warn and stop everyone who crosses the line (line being set by CCP), and ban everyone who does not heed the first warning. That will show both the player community and everyone else that we actually care about behaving like human beings towards each other even when drunk. Berating and humiliating rival players can be done off-stage in pubs, if it really is necessary to do at all. :) |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
526
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:33:00 -
[3924] - Quote
Abriael VonRosen wrote:Xython wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!
You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.
Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want. And by defending Mittani's actions you're helping them. Good job.
Yes, clearly the thing to do when faced with a bunch of trolls making NPC alts and trying to stir up **** is to let them continue their circlejerk thread unopposed. Clearly.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1361
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:33:00 -
[3925] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Admiral Machiavelli wrote:RougeOperator wrote: A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
A person is not responsible for the insane actions taken by another because they overreact to a joke. As a retired lwayer, your Queen should be able to tell you otherwise..... Or perhaps you should read the news, instead of surfing p***..... So if I hang myself because of the poor quality of your posts, YOU are responsible. I'll keep that in mind and let my insurance company know. Making light of suicide in a thread about the ramifications of suicide and driving people to suicide. You proud of yourself yet?
Accusing people of seriously trying to get someone to kill themselves.
Are you proud of yourself yet?
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
432
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 18:34:00 -
[3926] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote:baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
But i watched it and it didnt sound like a joke when he said it. Even my father said the same thing.
I had him watch casue i wasnt sure if it was just me.
Then both of you are daft. Nobody would have harrassed him in game bacause that will get you banned. Everything said at the alliance presentation was far from serious. Nobody would have killed themselves over this. Indeed, if not for people like you very few would have even heard about it including Wis who, as well not not givinga damn about the whole issue, turned out to be lieing about suicide in the first place. You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake. Who is the daft? Who said he has acknowledged his mistake? All I see is somebody who is famous for being a lying, scamming, pubbie hating bastard making a post on a forum.
This is the issue. CCP needed to do something visible. If nothing happens thats pretty much the end of CCPs credibility. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
96
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:38:00 -
[3927] - Quote
Xython wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!
You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.
Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want. No, it's not. Well, not, if I am counted among the idiots (reported for flaming, btw).
I think I'll make a separate post about it, but what I want is an EVE where scamming, baiting, blobbing, ganking, trapping, and using clever tricks is still allowed, where we can have PR wars and gloat on locals about how wonderful players we are, and where there is no guaranteed safety and total opt-out of pvp. I also want an EVE where it is not acceptable behavior to point and laugh when someone is obviously RL upset about losing, to use stage time in a CCP event to humiliate and berate your rivals rather than talk about what you do well, or to flame people on the public forums, and where racist/sexist/homophobic slurs are grounds of immediate warnings and bans.
I do not see those as contradictory. I doubt most of the community does. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
123
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:39:00 -
[3928] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
acknowledged it then (thus far) has failed to follow through with the promised resignation. Thats largely why people are considering him a heel (IRL).
It's pretty clear that, at the very most, he's going to be stepping down from the chairman position while staying on the CSM how does that make you feel jade?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1014378#post1014378 |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:39:00 -
[3929] - Quote
You know Im wondering if other countries have had the recent high profile cases and publicity we have in the UK.
Cyberbullying, troll threads, hate websites, facebook sites,abusive tweets, teenage suicide have all been really high profile in the uk the last six months, Hell theres was a primetime BBC program about a radio presenter getting trolled and the legal cases surrounding that case. THe Muamba case, the Facebook troll. I think that publicity may have hardened some peoples attitudes over here but dont know if other countries have had the same kind of cases? |
baltec1
919
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:39:00 -
[3930] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
I watched the tape. It didnt sound like he was joking.
Then you are also daft. |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1663
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:40:00 -
[3931] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
acknowledged it then (thus far) has failed to follow through with the promised resignation. Thats largely why people are considering him a heel (IRL).
It's pretty clear that, at the very most, he's going to be stepping down from the chairman position while staying on the CSM how does that make you feel jade?
Gratified since thats precisely what I said he should do when this scandal began.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
52
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:40:00 -
[3932] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:baltec1 wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote:
You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.
Who is the daft?
You are. Its only right he apologises for his drunken mistake but its not his falt you are taking his joke as a serious call to kill someone. I watched the tape. It didnt sound like he was joking.
I think that says more about you than him.
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
80
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:40:00 -
[3933] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Making light of suicide in a thread about the ramifications of suicide and driving people to suicide.
You proud of yourself yet?
Accusing people of seriously trying to get someone to kill themselves. Are you proud of yourself yet? Its on tape. And I dont have to accuse him of anything, he admitted it. Why would i be proud of this at all. I shouldnt even have ever had to think about this being a thing I would have to worry about in EvE online. That someone at a live event would tell people to harass someone till they kill themselves. Thats why its so sick. And even sicker the people defending and trying to spin it away. The line in the sand was drawn. Pick a side. I'll pick the side of sanity and not rabid hyperbole and overreaction, thanks. Have fun over there, though. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1362
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:40:00 -
[3934] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Making light of suicide in a thread about the ramifications of suicide and driving people to suicide.
You proud of yourself yet?
Accusing people of seriously trying to get someone to kill themselves. Are you proud of yourself yet? Its on tape. And I dont have to accuse him of anything, he admitted it. Why would i be proud of this at all. I shouldnt even have ever had to think about this being a thing I would have to worry about in EvE online. That someone at a live event would tell people to harass someone till they kill themselves. Thats why its so sick. And even sicker the people defending and trying to spin it away. The line in the sand was drawn. Pick a side.
We have a tape of a bad joke, last in a night full of similar bad jokes.
Mittani NEVER admitted he was trying to seriously make ANYONE kill themselves. Stop lying.
I'll pick my side to be the one of common sense based on the entirety of the video evidence, not hysterical witch hunts based on a sound byte, thanks. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:40:00 -
[3935] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Xython wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!
You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.
Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want. No, it's not. Well, not, if I am counted among the idiots (reported for flaming, btw). I think I'll make a separate post about it, but what I want is an EVE where scamming, baiting, blobbing, ganking, trapping, and using clever tricks is still allowed, where we can have PR wars and gloat on locals about how wonderful players we are, and where there is no guaranteed safety and total opt-out of pvp. I also want an EVE where it is not acceptable behavior to point and laugh when someone is obviously RL upset about losing, to use stage time in a CCP event to humiliate and berate your rivals rather than talk about what you do well, or to flame people on the public forums, and where racist/sexist/homophobic slurs are grounds of immediate warnings and bans. I do not see those as contradictory. I doubt most of the community does.
well said Elsebeth
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baltec1
919
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:41:00 -
[3936] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:You know Im wondering if other countries have had the recent high profile cases and publicity we have in the UK.
Cyberbullying, troll threads, hate websites, facebook sites,abusive tweets, teenage suicide have all been really high profile in the uk the last six months, Hell theres was a primetime BBC program about a radio presenter getting trolled and the legal cases surrounding that case. THe Muamba case, the Facebook troll. I think that publicity may have hardened some peoples attitudes over here but dont know if other countries have had the same kind of cases?
Except that this is a single sentence not a campain lasting for months/years. |
Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:42:00 -
[3937] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote: You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.
Who is the daft?
It seems you are. He acknowledged the mistake of making a very tasteless joke.
So again... this is a joke too:
Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
He decide to resign for be a bad joker?
Again... you'r running out of excuses... |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1663
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:42:00 -
[3938] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Xython wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!
You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.
Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want. No, it's not. Well, not, if I am counted among the idiots (reported for flaming, btw). I think I'll make a separate post about it, but what I want is an EVE where scamming, baiting, blobbing, ganking, trapping, and using clever tricks is still allowed, where we can have PR wars and gloat on locals about how wonderful players we are, and where there is no guaranteed safety and total opt-out of pvp. I also want an EVE where it is not acceptable behavior to point and laugh when someone is obviously RL upset about losing, to use stage time in a CCP event to humiliate and berate your rivals rather than talk about what you do well, or to flame people on the public forums, and where racist/sexist/homophobic slurs are grounds of immediate warnings and bans. I do not see those as contradictory. I doubt most of the community does. well said Elsebeth
works for me.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:You know Im wondering if other countries have had the recent high profile cases and publicity we have in the UK.
Cyberbullying, troll threads, hate websites, facebook sites,abusive tweets, teenage suicide have all been really high profile in the uk the last six months, Hell theres was a primetime BBC program about a radio presenter getting trolled and the legal cases surrounding that case. THe Muamba case, the Facebook troll. I think that publicity may have hardened some peoples attitudes over here but dont know if other countries have had the same kind of cases? Except that this is a single sentence not a campain lasting for months/years.
The guy who tweeted about muamba got six months on monday after a drunken rant on a saturday night, that wasnt a campaign, but I do get your point.
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
80
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:43:00 -
[3940] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:baltec1 wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote:
You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.
Who is the daft?
You are. Its only right he apologises for his drunken mistake but its not his falt you are taking his joke as a serious call to kill someone. I watched the tape. It didnt sound like he was joking. Probably because you lack higher brain functions. Seriously, it's completely obvious to anyone with a frontal lobe that he's joking in a light-hearted environment about a terrible space ship game. |
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Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
72
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:43:00 -
[3941] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Two quick points here:
1) It's a common tactic for bullies to say they were "just kidding" when someone confronts them with their bullying. 2) Alex does not say he was joking in his apology.
These are adults. Not middle-schoolers. Holy ****. |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:43:00 -
[3942] - Quote
Confirming I'm picking the side of rational reasoning. |
Prince Kobol
425
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:44:00 -
[3943] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Xython wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!
You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.
Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want. No, it's not. Well, not, if I am counted among the idiots (reported for flaming, btw). I think I'll make a separate post about it, but what I want is an EVE where scamming, baiting, blobbing, ganking, trapping, and using clever tricks is still allowed, where we can have PR wars and gloat on locals about how wonderful players we are, and where there is no guaranteed safety and total opt-out of pvp. I also want an EVE where it is not acceptable behavior to point and laugh when someone is obviously RL upset about losing, to use stage time in a CCP event to humiliate and berate your rivals rather than talk about what you do well, or to flame people on the public forums, and where racist/sexist/homophobic slurs are grounds of immediate warnings and bans. I do not see those as contradictory. I doubt most of the community does. well said Elsebeth
Well apparently flaming, mocking, humiliating people using any means at your disposal including racist/sexist/homophobic slurs are fine, so is political meta-gaming, as according to one goon we are all "Peers" however if it is directed at a Goon then it a evil and horrible thing to do.
Tsk Tsk.. we pubbies / Pub-Lords should be ashamed of ourselves
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:45:00 -
[3944] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:baltec1 wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote:
You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.
Who is the daft?
You are. Its only right he apologises for his drunken mistake but its not his falt you are taking his joke as a serious call to kill someone. I watched the tape. It didnt sound like he was joking. You are implying that this issue is subjective. To you it didnt sound like a joke, to many other people here it did. If this matter is subjective, which you have implied, then it is not as black and white as you have spent many hours making it out to be. As it is subjective, not black and white, or blue for that matter, lets just wait for CCP to make a decision. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
139
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:50:00 -
[3945] - Quote
This may also be relevant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
781
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:50:00 -
[3946] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Xython wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!
You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.
Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want. No, it's not. Well, not, if I am counted among the idiots (reported for flaming, btw). I think I'll make a separate post about it, but what I want is an EVE where scamming, baiting, blobbing, ganking, trapping, and using clever tricks is still allowed, where we can have PR wars and gloat on locals about how wonderful players we are, and where there is no guaranteed safety and total opt-out of pvp. I also want an EVE where it is not acceptable behavior to point and laugh when someone is obviously RL upset about losing, to use stage time in a CCP event to humiliate and berate your rivals rather than talk about what you do well, or to flame people on the public forums, and where racist/sexist/homophobic slurs are grounds of immediate warnings and bans. I do not see those as contradictory. I doubt most of the community does.
This.
I've been fighting Elsebeth in-game for years and yet hold no malice towards her and wouldn't want to rub her face in the dirt out of game.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:50:00 -
[3947] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:baltec1 wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote:
You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.
Who is the daft?
You are. Its only right he apologises for his drunken mistake but its not his falt you are taking his joke as a serious call to kill someone. I watched the tape. It didnt sound like he was joking. You are implying that this issue is subjective. To you it didnt sound like a joke, to many other people here it did. If this matter is subjective, which you have implied, then it is not as black and white as you have spent many hours making it out to be. As it is subjective, not black and white, or blue for that matter, lets just wait for CCP to make a decision.
Yeah whilst Im pretty clear what I think of what ALexander said, I do think in his mindblown drunken self deluding way he thought he was joking. Hes an idiot because he didnt think of the consequenses or the implications of his words. But I dont think for a second he actually wanted sombody to get hurt. Thankfully nobody has that however is through good luck not good management.
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Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
91
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:50:00 -
[3948] - Quote
This |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:51:00 -
[3949] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Xython wrote:baltec1 wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote:
You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.
Who is the daft?
You are. Its only right he apologises for his drunken mistake but its not his falt you are taking his joke as a serious call to kill someone. They're not. They're committing faux outrage in an attempt to seize on what they feel is a perceived weakness of Mittani and Goonswarm. Specifically, note that the outrage of this didn't happen until AFTER the CSM7 results came out. This is a manufactured scandal born from the anti-Mittani, anti-Sandbox elements of the game. That's why we haven't seen any feedback from CCP from this. They literally don't give a flying ****. haha living in denial is a way to escape consequences, but not for long
How long has it been since fanfest?
...Yeaaaaah... |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
80
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:53:00 -
[3950] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Probably because you lack higher brain functions. Speaking of higher brain functions, empathy is a very important one. In fact, it's a big thing we look for in gauging animal intelligence. Now explain to me again how not caring about other peoples feelings is perfectly normal for a human. Keep on grasping those straws, Bane. |
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:53:00 -
[3951] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!
You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.
None of you clearly saw the world of darkness interview about permadeath as its no different to this. noone is talking about ingame things, thats only you the event happend outside of game , thats the problem Ok clever dude, did he give a real name? No. Is it any different to 95% of the bad posters on kugu or any of the other eve related public forums say every day? No. Is it any different from the kind of chat that goes off in local chat day in, day out in eve? No. I'm not condoning his words, it was pretty dumb but take 5 minutes out to think about this, put it in context.
he did it infront of 10k viewers LIVE on stage ....
if it was done inganme or on kugxxx noone would know, still makes it a bad thing , but theres a german saing wo kein kl+ñger , da kein richter ..
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Sugar Von MurdererTits
Shameless Suicidal Space Barbies
16
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:53:00 -
[3952] - Quote
What is wrong with you people? |
Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:54:00 -
[3953] - Quote
If I was CCP, The Mittani and the other dude would be already flying back to Iceland to prepare a joint video press release.
It takes technological time. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:54:00 -
[3954] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:Daviclond wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
acknowledged it then (thus far) has failed to follow through with the promised resignation. Thats largely why people are considering him a heel (IRL).
It's pretty clear that, at the very most, he's going to be stepping down from the chairman position while staying on the CSM how does that make you feel jade? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1014378#post1014378
i'm not reading that but even Jade doesn't think he'll get kicked off the CSM. toodles! |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:56:00 -
[3955] - Quote
Sugar Von MurdererTits wrote:What is wrong with you people? We play eve, a terrible internet spaceship game.
It's a disease. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
300
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:57:00 -
[3956] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:he did it infront of 10k viewers LIVE on stage ....
if it was done inganme or on kugxxx noone would know, still makes it a bad thing , but theres a german saing wo kein kl+ñger , da kein richter ..
I agree with Herr Pizi, he should have waited for one of Iceland's many volcanism-induced earthquakes to voice an off-color joke in public. |
baltec1
921
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:57:00 -
[3957] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:
he did it infront of 10k viewers LIVE on stage ....
if it was done inganme or on kugxxx noone would know, still makes it a bad thing , but theres a german saing wo kein kl+ñger , da kein richter ..
And none of them said a thing aside from how drunk everyone was and how the WH alliance guys presentation was by far the best. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
74
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:58:00 -
[3958] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote:baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
But i watched it and it didnt sound like a joke when he said it. Even my father said the same thing.
I had him watch casue i wasnt sure if it was just me.
Then both of you are daft. Nobody would have harrassed him in game bacause that will get you banned. Everything said at the alliance presentation was far from serious. Nobody would have killed themselves over this. Indeed, if not for people like you very few would have even heard about it including Wis who, as well not not givinga damn about the whole issue, turned out to be lieing about suicide in the first place. You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake. Who is the daft? acknowledged it then (thus far) has failed to follow through with the promised resignation. Thats largely why people are considering him a heel (IRL).
He didn't "promise" a resignation. He said he was going to talk with the rest of the CSM about it, which is the right way to go about things. It doesn't matter what you want, Miss Ineffective CSM. It matters what CCP and the rest of the CSM want. |
The Wis
Fise Corp War and Pestilence
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:58:00 -
[3959] - Quote
OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:58:00 -
[3960] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Beekeeper Bob wrote:Admiral Machiavelli wrote:RougeOperator wrote: A joke that could have gotten someone killed. Is it still a joke?
A person is not responsible for the insane actions taken by another because they overreact to a joke. As a retired lwayer, your Queen should be able to tell you otherwise..... Or perhaps you should read the news, instead of surfing p***..... So if I hang myself because of the poor quality of your posts, YOU are responsible. I'll keep that in mind and let my insurance company know.
Well, I wasn't aware that you were in a mentally unbalanced state. If you had told me this before, I would have been happy to contact the appropriate people for you. If that is the case, I recommend you call a help center immediatly, and I recommend you sign off Eve forever, it's not helping your issues.
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
53
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:58:00 -
[3961] - Quote
Bane Necran wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Probably because you lack higher brain functions. Speaking of higher brain functions, empathy is a very important one. In fact, it's a big thing we look for in gauging animal intelligence. Now explain to me again how not caring about other peoples feelings is perfectly normal for a human.
I think you are confused about what empathy is. Greifing is an empathic activity. The response (enjoyment rather than pity) is what is different. Someone lacking empathy would not understand the effect his greifing would have so wouldn't do it.
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Sugar Von MurdererTits
Shameless Suicidal Space Barbies
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:59:00 -
[3962] - Quote
Karim alRashid wrote:If I was CCP, The Mittani and the other dude would be already flying back to Iceland to prepare a joint
yes please everyone have a joint. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
528
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:59:00 -
[3963] - Quote
The link unfortunately does not work (copy/past the line does) but thank you, I could not remember Maslow's name. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:59:00 -
[3964] - Quote
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder
Your IQ fails to separate Sociopathy to Evolution, go back to school, or better yet, get a new one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXnAP6YUwZU |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:00:00 -
[3965] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
Gratified since thats precisely what I said he should do when this scandal began.
this would be the second-best resolution and would change very little, given that mittens would still possess all his political capital and schmooze |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
124
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:01:00 -
[3966] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:Daviclond wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
acknowledged it then (thus far) has failed to follow through with the promised resignation. Thats largely why people are considering him a heel (IRL).
It's pretty clear that, at the very most, he's going to be stepping down from the chairman position while staying on the CSM how does that make you feel jade? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1014378#post1014378 i'm not reading that but even Jade doesn't think he'll get kicked off the CSM. toodles!
Pretty sure you missed a lot of reading through your growing up. Unless you're commenting on this forum 'in character' (here's your lee way ) |
Bane Necran
202
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:02:00 -
[3967] - Quote
You don't even know how practically every sociopath believes them not caring about others makes them superior to anyone who does, and they like to talk about darwinism because it justifies them harming anyone they consider weak.
They're genetic throwbacks who should be left in the woods to fend for themselves with the other animals, civilization is for civilized people who can live among others and not destroy them for their own gain. We'd never have become civilized in the first place if it was sociopaths running things. We'd just have a series of guys building stuff for themselves then dying. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:02:00 -
[3968] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:Daviclond wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:Daviclond wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:
acknowledged it then (thus far) has failed to follow through with the promised resignation. Thats largely why people are considering him a heel (IRL).
It's pretty clear that, at the very most, he's going to be stepping down from the chairman position while staying on the CSM how does that make you feel jade? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1014378#post1014378 i'm not reading that but even Jade doesn't think he'll get kicked off the CSM. toodles! Pretty sure you missed a lot of reading through your growing up. Unless you're commenting on this forum 'in character' (here's your lee way )
actually i was a pretty prolific reader as a kid, it's just that bad posts are invisible to me |
Abriael VonRosen
State War Academy Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:02:00 -
[3969] - Quote
Xython wrote:
Yes, clearly the thing to do when faced with a bunch of trolls making NPC alts and trying to stir up **** is to let them continue their circlejerk thread unopposed. Clearly.
That would actually be a sensible and mature course of action. It would probably actually help Mittani himself, as by continuing to oppose punishment you do nothing else than inflame those that demand it further and give the press further ammo.
By defending actions that contributed to give EVE and this community a bad name you do the same, and risk to force CCP's hand in acting in a more radical and clear cut way in order to make an example of Mittani.
Again, good job. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:02:00 -
[3970] - Quote
The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis Your post is appreciated, The Wis. It takes real constitution to do something like this, and I'm sure many are interested in hearing your side of the story. |
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Karim alRashid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:02:00 -
[3971] - Quote
The Wis wrote: To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
I'm sorry you had to endure this, mate. |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:02:00 -
[3972] - Quote
The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
I'm sorry you got caught up in this fella.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
437
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:03:00 -
[3973] - Quote
The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
We appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
Maybe it will give others the perspective they sorely need on the matter.
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Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:04:00 -
[3974] - Quote
The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
Well spoken, thanks for posting.
Alexander, be coherent, be a man, keep you'r word and resign.
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:21:00 -
[3975] - Quote
Aryndel Samson wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:im really ashamed personally by some replys If posts on an internet forum that are not directed anywhere in your direction offend you on such a deep level then you should probably step away from the game and evaluate the way you spend your time.
i can deal with it it just saddens me how deep someone on the internet can sink behind his "anonymity" |
OfBalance
Caldari State
302
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:21:00 -
[3976] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:that was some really fast moderation on those posts
I can almost see the :challenge accepted: face on that brave little test poster. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:21:00 -
[3977] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Xython wrote:Sorry dude, the chat logs people have posted from you directly contradict your current post. Nice time jumping on the bandwagon though. Mittani originally posted "deal with it", then changed his attitude toward the situation later on. How is this any different? They hold double standards and are hypocrites and liars. After these responses to The Wis posting full on Ban of the Mittani is now required by ccp. Why, because you say so? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:21:00 -
[3978] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Xython wrote:Sorry dude, the chat logs people have posted from you directly contradict your current post. Nice time jumping on the bandwagon though. Mittani originally posted "deal with it", then changed his attitude toward the situation later on. How is this any different? They hold double standards and are hypocrites and liars. After these responses to The Wis posting full on Ban of the Mittani is now required by ccp. You also hold double standards, you are a hypocrite and you make things up to try and make your point. When does your ban start? |
Aryndel Samson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:22:00 -
[3979] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I like how The Wis didn't seem to care until people started telling him he should care. he didnt see the tape till later, Says that in his post. He took his time to think about what happened. People do that sometimes. instead of just mouthing off a, Deal with it.
He probably had to take time off from his 23 mackinaw bot farm to watch the video. |
Volster
Diabolus Ex Machina
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:22:00 -
[3980] - Quote
GǪ.you've gotta love eve, i don't know of any other mmo that can generate such delicious quantities of drama
While my opinions nothing special, and I don't expect anyone much to read it, let alone care. (and I must admit IGÇÖve only bothered to read the first and last few pages of this threadnought and the various blog posts). Nevertheless, its time to bombard the internet with my useless but oh-so-important point of view.
IGÇÖve no great love for mittens, having ended up on the opposing side to the swarm several times over the years, but I still can't help but feel things have been blown out of all proportion here.
People have made comment of the fact that the presentation was prepared in advance, and as such that being drunk can't be used as an excuse naming and shaming the unfortunate sad-sack in question. I think its important to make a distinction between the actual presentation , which was planned in advance and doesnGÇÖt include any names (unlike some of the national anthem singers), and the question that was sprung on him afterwards.
I don't think revealing one of chaps in-game identity's was any great crime, particularly if as reported he runs 20 accounts (although perhaps somewhat insensitive given he could potentially come unhinged but hey, this is internet spaceships, not hello kitty online GǪ htfu), The part where it fall falls apart though is the insinuation that it would be hilarious to deliberately attempt to push their hapless victim over the edge. You'd like to hope that the people watching the presentation would have enough common sense not to, but then there's plenty of retards on the internet, and mitten's behaviour was fairly inexcusable even if completely legless at the time.
The fact the chap appears to be fine, somewhat mitigates the situation. Although I can't help but wonder what effect the sudden coddling attention is having on him compared to the potential further harassment, as highlighting him as a suicide risk who needs special attention could be just as damaging
overall I think mittens apologises, along with an isk donation and goes some what to show his sincerity. While the fact he's already semi announced it, and been covered in the gaming press, personally I hope he doesnGÇÖt actually resign from the csm, as hate him or GǪ er hate him, I think overall he's had a positive impact, and for better or worse is a character within the eve community, but the wheels of fate might have already turned to far on that one. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
77
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:23:00 -
[3981] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I like how The Wis didn't seem to care until people started telling him he should care. he didnt see the tape till later, Says that in his post. He took his time to think about what happened. People do that sometimes. instead of just mouthing off a, Deal with it.
I also like how he accepted The Mittani's apology and everything until people started telling him what to think. |
Prince Kobol
425
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:23:00 -
[3982] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Really dude? You really want to go down this road?
You built the damn road. This poor guy would still be mining, unknown to most people in eve if not for you. Well not so poor now that he has 10.7 billion so at least he got something out of this
You could also argue this guy would still be mining if the Mittani didn't decided to show his eve mail to thousands of people and then further mock and humiliate him |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
532
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:24:00 -
[3983] - Quote
Aryndel Samson wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I like how The Wis didn't seem to care until people started telling him he should care. he didnt see the tape till later, Says that in his post. He took his time to think about what happened. People do that sometimes. instead of just mouthing off a, Deal with it. He probably had to take time off from his 23 mackinaw bot farm to watch the video.
Hey now, this game isn't going to play itself by itself. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:24:00 -
[3984] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Daviclond wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Daviclond wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote: Alexander, be coherent, be a man, keep you'r word and resign.
hahahaha You laughing at the thought that the Mittani could ever be a man.. join the club the atrocities of the EVE community against the english language in this thread have probably been my favourite bit The fact that you just posted that using no capitalization, punctuation, or the most basic grasp of common grammar is the really funny thing. Mr Epeen
i keep seeing quotes of my posts but no text underneath, what's going on?? |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:24:00 -
[3985] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Really dude? You really want to go down this road?
You built the damn road. This poor guy would still be mining, unknown to most people in eve if not for you. Well not so poor now that he has 10.7 billion so at least he got something out of this You could also argue this guy would still be mining if the Mittani didn't decided to show his eve mail to thousands of people and then further mock and humiliate him
So he did him a favour? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:24:00 -
[3986] - Quote
The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis You disgust me. 23 botting mackinaw pilots?!? I hope they perma ban your IP address. It doesnt matter what happened after you were publicly named and shamed - something many of the 'kill mittens' crowd are in favour of CCP doing - you are still a botting scumbag, please cancel your accounts immediatly and never play the game again.
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Prince Kobol
425
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:30:00 -
[3987] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Really dude? You really want to go down this road?
You built the damn road. This poor guy would still be mining, unknown to most people in eve if not for you. Well not so poor now that he has 10.7 billion so at least he got something out of this You could also argue this guy would still be mining if the Mittani didn't decided to show his eve mail to thousands of people and then further mock and humiliate him If I caught a guy using 23 botting accounts to mine, I would mock and humiliate him. Then I would spam CCP until they perma banned him for such blatant botting.
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baltec1
923
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:30:00 -
[3988] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:
You could also argue this guy would still be mining if the Mittani didn't decided to show his eve mail to thousands of people and then further mock and humiliate him
Notice that none of them said a thing. This only kicked off a few days later when Mitani won the chairmanship. Funny timing that.
No this is entirely the falt of the mob trying to get mitani booted out of the CSM however they can. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
444
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:31:00 -
[3989] - Quote
Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
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Prince Kobol
425
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:32:00 -
[3990] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
You could also argue this guy would still be mining if the Mittani didn't decided to show his eve mail to thousands of people and then further mock and humiliate him
Notice that none of them said a thing. This only kicked off a few days later when Mitani won the chairmanship. Funny timing that. No this is entirely the falt of the mob trying to get mitani booted out of the CSM however they can.
Arh so meta-gaming then.. yes that is bad and should be stopped |
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:32:00 -
[3991] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
You could also argue this guy would still be mining if the Mittani didn't decided to show his eve mail to thousands of people and then further mock and humiliate him
Notice that none of them said a thing. This only kicked off a few days later when Mitani won the chairmanship. Funny timing that. No this is entirely the falt of the mob trying to get mitani booted out of the CSM however they can. It's as if someone were using this person, whose mental state is questionable, to further their own agenda!
Perish the thought. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:32:00 -
[3992] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
You could also argue this guy would still be mining if the Mittani didn't decided to show his eve mail to thousands of people and then further mock and humiliate him
Notice that none of them said a thing. This only kicked off a few days later when Mitani won the chairmanship. Funny timing that. No this is entirely the falt of the mob trying to get mitani booted out of the CSM however they can. Linking this again, for great justice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
Do they not teach Philosophy in America? |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
533
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:32:00 -
[3993] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/2010/07/woman-applying-blush-in-the-morning.jpg |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
444
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:32:00 -
[3994] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
You could also argue this guy would still be mining if the Mittani didn't decided to show his eve mail to thousands of people and then further mock and humiliate him
Notice that none of them said a thing. This only kicked off a few days later when Mitani won the chairmanship. Funny timing that. No this is entirely the falt of the mob trying to get mitani booted out of the CSM however they can.
Not everyone saw the stream, was back from fanfest themselves.
Second is that we only found out the next day he won after he blew it etc.
And there were people saying things day 1.
But lies of a goon pet alt are nothing new. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
79
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:33:00 -
[3995] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
Why are you putting the words of mortals into The Mittani's mouth? Nobody speaks for The Mittani.
Edit: Except for The Mittani. |
Aryndel Samson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:33:00 -
[3996] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:33:00 -
[3997] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
Because we are clearly all alts of The Mittani.
Careful, you're becoming dangerously unhinged. |
Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:34:00 -
[3998] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game. EULA and ToS does not apply to things done outside of the game environment.
Im sorry Wis but greifing other players is every pvp players given right. I am horrified to what would happen to EVE if a censor ban was put in to place where we cant give other players crap for being stupid and losing horribly in the game. Its what makes this game great and fun to play in as a pvper. |
The Wis
Fise Corp War and Pestilence
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:35:00 -
[3999] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I like how The Wis didn't seem to care until people started telling him he should care. he didnt see the tape till later, Says that in his post. He took his time to think about what happened. People do that sometimes. instead of just mouthing off a, Deal with it. I also like how he accepted The Mittani's apology and everything until people started telling him what to think.
No not becouse of what everyone tells me what I should think. I work when I have work come in.. I have been on the road more thien anything and trying to answer peoples question. Today I have no work orders so more time. But still have real life things to do around the house. And to let everyone know I do not bot. If I see a botter I will let gankers know about it. I do multibox and love to see how far I can push it.. AT this time I am limited buy the hardware I have. One day I will see if I can go further.
Thanks all for the support and the kind words.
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:35:00 -
[4000] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
You could also argue this guy would still be mining if the Mittani didn't decided to show his eve mail to thousands of people and then further mock and humiliate him
Notice that none of them said a thing. This only kicked off a few days later when Mitani won the chairmanship. Funny timing that. No this is entirely the falt of the mob trying to get mitani booted out of the CSM however they can. Not everyone saw the stream, was back from fanfest themselves. Second is that we only found out the next day he won after he blew it etc. And there were people saying things day 1. But lies of a goon pet alt are nothing new. Uh, I wouldn't cast that "liar" label around if I were you. You've lied and exaggerated repeatedly in this thread. |
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Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:35:00 -
[4001] - Quote
Aryndel Samson wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid.
the red operator will not stand for this insolence |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
534
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:35:00 -
[4002] - Quote
Aryndel Samson wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid.
To be fair, he's supposedly using an alternate rename of "Red Operator". It's just an unfortunate coincidence that this also happens to be a term for makeup. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:37:00 -
[4003] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
this ^^^^
Aryndel Samson wrote: They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid. as for this ****** im not even gonna go into how picking a name in eve is rediculously hard |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:38:00 -
[4004] - Quote
Nice. |
Prince Kobol
426
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:38:00 -
[4005] - Quote
Allataria wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game. EULA and ToS does not apply to things done outside of the game environment. Im sorry Wis but greifing other players is every pvp players given right. I am horrified to what would happen to EVE if a censor ban was put in to place where we cant give other players crap for being stupid and losing horribly in the game. Its what makes this game great and fun to play in as a pvper.
I think you find that because it was at an official CCP Event, being streamed to thousands of players then CCP can do what it likes.
In the grand schemes of the the EULA/TOS mean ****. If CCP want to ban you then can and will.
Some people need to realise something about the EULA/TOS, it gives CCP the right to do what ever they like, end off.
On the flip side I agree with you to a point about what goes on in game. |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:38:00 -
[4006] - Quote
Xython wrote:Aryndel Samson wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid. To be fair, he's supposedly using an alternate rename of "Red Operator". It's just an unfortunate coincidence that this also happens to be a term for makeup. He could also simply be someone who operated machinery at Ford's Rouge facility:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rouge
Making assupmtions is pointless, and irrelevant, and off-topic. |
Daviclond
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:39:00 -
[4007] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
this ^^^^ Aryndel Samson wrote: They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid. as for this ****** im not even gonna go into how picking a name in eve is rediculously hard
get out you miserable roleplayer |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:39:00 -
[4008] - Quote
The Wis wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I like how The Wis didn't seem to care until people started telling him he should care. he didnt see the tape till later, Says that in his post. He took his time to think about what happened. People do that sometimes. instead of just mouthing off a, Deal with it. I also like how he accepted The Mittani's apology and everything until people started telling him what to think. No not becouse of what everyone tells me what I should think. I work when I have work come in.. I have been on the road more thien anything and trying to answer peoples question. Today I have no work orders so more time. But still have real life things to do around the house. And to let everyone know I do not bot. If I see a botter I will let gankers know about it. I do multibox and love to see how far I can push it.. AT this time I am limited buy the hardware I have. One day I will see if I can go further. Thanks all for the support and the kind words. In all seriousness, just ignore every mail you get from everyone but Mittens for a week or so. Watch the footage a few times if you havent already. Think about what happened, and then if you want to make a formal complaint to CCP, feel free to. But dont let ANYONE tell you what to think or what they think went on at the alliance panel. |
Prince Kobol
426
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:41:00 -
[4009] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:The Wis wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I like how The Wis didn't seem to care until people started telling him he should care. he didnt see the tape till later, Says that in his post. He took his time to think about what happened. People do that sometimes. instead of just mouthing off a, Deal with it. I also like how he accepted The Mittani's apology and everything until people started telling him what to think. No not becouse of what everyone tells me what I should think. I work when I have work come in.. I have been on the road more thien anything and trying to answer peoples question. Today I have no work orders so more time. But still have real life things to do around the house. And to let everyone know I do not bot. If I see a botter I will let gankers know about it. I do multibox and love to see how far I can push it.. AT this time I am limited buy the hardware I have. One day I will see if I can go further. Thanks all for the support and the kind words. In all seriousness, just ignore every mail you get from everyone but Mittens for a week or so. Watch the footage a few times if you havent already. Think about what happened, and then if you want to make a formal complaint to CCP, feel free to. But dont let ANYONE tell you what to think or what they think went on at the alliance panel.
System has detected a NPC Alt. We apologise but NPC Alts opinions are worthless.
Please disregard any further posts made by this alt.
Thank you and have a nice day |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:42:00 -
[4010] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote: I think you find that because it was at an official CCP Event, being streamed to thousands of players then CCP can do what it likes.
In the grand schemes of the the EULA/TOS mean ****. If CCP want to ban you then can and will.
Some people need to realise something about the EULA/TOS, it gives CCP the right to do what ever they like, end off.
On the flip side I agree with you to a point about what goes on in game.
This is probably the first decent post you have made in this thread. More than decent, this qualifies as a good post. Have an internet space like. All this thread does is provide tears, and satisfy the inate desire to correct those who are wrong on the internet in all of us. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
80
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:42:00 -
[4011] - Quote
The Wis wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I like how The Wis didn't seem to care until people started telling him he should care. he didnt see the tape till later, Says that in his post. He took his time to think about what happened. People do that sometimes. instead of just mouthing off a, Deal with it. I also like how he accepted The Mittani's apology and everything until people started telling him what to think. No not becouse of what everyone tells me what I should think. I work when I have work come in.. I have been on the road more thien anything and trying to answer peoples question. Today I have no work orders so more time. But still have real life things to do around the house. And to let everyone know I do not bot. If I see a botter I will let gankers know about it. I do multibox and love to see how far I can push it.. AT this time I am limited buy the hardware I have. One day I will see if I can go further. Thanks all for the support and the kind words.
I never said you were a botter. But come on man, 23 accounts all mining ice? Only a robot could think that is fun.
So why did you reverse yourself? You had accepted Mittani's apology for telling people to grief you in game, now you don't? Lets me consistent here. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:42:00 -
[4012] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
this ^^^^ get out you miserable roleplayer
or what? come at me bro |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:42:00 -
[4013] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
this ^^^^ Aryndel Samson wrote: They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid. as for this ****** im not even gonna go into how picking a name in eve is rediculously hard So basically you're not contributing anything to the conversation. I see, I see. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
49
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:44:00 -
[4014] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
this ^^^^ Aryndel Samson wrote: They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid. as for this ****** im not even gonna go into how picking a name in eve is rediculously hard So basically you're not contributing anything to the conversation. I see, I see. like yourself? |
baltec1
924
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:44:00 -
[4015] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Not everyone saw the stream, was back from fanfest themselves.
Second is that we only found out the next day he won after he blew it etc.
And there were people saying things day 1.
But lies of a goon pet alt are nothing new.
The people who did see it live and were there said nothing other than how bad everyone but the WH guys was and how drunk people were.
This was not an issue untill after the announcement. Lie all you want about the timeline it doesnt change the fact that the very people outraged by this are the ones brining ever more attention to Wis and his mail as well as doing the very thing to mitani that outraged them in the first place on a much bigger level. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:44:00 -
[4016] - Quote
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Lt Pizi wrote: who said hes botting ?
... Did you even watch the footage of the fanfest incident this thread is all about, or are you just jumping on the anti goon bandwagon to soothe the rampant butthurt of a hulk/carrier/titan kill inflicted upon you weeks ago? You didn't answer the question. Can you confirm he was botting? I can confirm that one of two people who saw the ganking incident - TheWis and the goon who ganked him - saw irrefutable evidence of botting. If TheWis was a botter, he would deny it without hesitation. If TheWis was not a botter, he would deny is without hesitation also, so his denial means nothing. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
81
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:44:00 -
[4017] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
this ^^^^ Aryndel Samson wrote: They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid. as for this ****** im not even gonna go into how picking a name in eve is rediculously hard So basically you're not contributing anything to the conversation. I see, I see. like yourself? Confirming you haven't been reading the thread. |
Notorious BIG
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:45:00 -
[4018] - Quote
Allataria wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game. EULA and ToS does not apply to things done outside of the game environment. Im sorry Wis but greifing other players is every pvp players given right. I am horrified to what would happen to EVE if a censor ban was put in to place where we cant give other players crap for being stupid and losing horribly in the game. Its what makes this game great and fun to play in as a pvper.
Go read the Ban policy section Section 3 HARASSMENT
This counts in and outside of the game. |
Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:45:00 -
[4019] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
A wich hunt would imply an innocent victim. Mittens is on tape red handed.
Also racism? Really?
Do you always have to act like such a nagger?
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:46:00 -
[4020] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Not everyone saw the stream, was back from fanfest themselves.
Second is that we only found out the next day he won after he blew it etc.
And there were people saying things day 1.
But lies of a goon pet alt are nothing new.
The people who did see it live and were there said nothing other than how bad everyone but the WH guys was and how drunk people were. This was not an issue untill after the announcement. Lie all you want about the timeline it doesnt change the fact that the very people outraged by this are the ones brining ever more attention to Wis and his mail as well as doing the very thing to mitani that outraged them in the first place on a much bigger level. True dat.
Also, I miss the spam about Michael Bolton being so wasted he couldnt stand. |
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Allataria
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:46:00 -
[4021] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game. EULA and ToS does not apply to things done outside of the game environment. Im sorry Wis but greifing other players is every pvp players given right. I am horrified to what would happen to EVE if a censor ban was put in to place where we cant give other players crap for being stupid and losing horribly in the game. Its what makes this game great and fun to play in as a pvper. I think you find that because it was at an official CCP Event, being streamed to thousands of players then CCP can do what it likes. In the grand schemes of the the EULA/TOS mean ****. If CCP want to ban you then can and will. Some people need to realise something about the EULA/TOS, it gives CCP the right to do what ever they like, end off. On the flip side I agree with you to a point about what goes on in game.
Even so if they banned the Mittani they would lose all credibility of being a respected and fair judging corporation. The EULA and ToS are in there not only to protect the company but to protect the players as well. I cant see them bending the rules to ban someone for simply speaking out at an event. This would be like banning two players for fighting at fanfest because they dont like each other's alliances. There was no breach of game rules because this happened outside of the game. They can't do anything about it. The same reason why they cant help people who get scammed if all the dialogue happened out of the game under different handles. CCP's role as a moderator in what went on can only pertain to the events happening in the game. Yes this happened at a CCP event but the EULA and ToS only pertain to what happens in the game. As far as I know there is no agreement or ToS regarding what you can or cant say during these events. If there was then they probably shouldnt have handed out huge amounts of alochol to the player base because how could they not have seen that something like this has happened before or would have happened now?
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
83
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:48:00 -
[4022] - Quote
Notorious BIG wrote:Allataria wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game. EULA and ToS does not apply to things done outside of the game environment. Im sorry Wis but greifing other players is every pvp players given right. I am horrified to what would happen to EVE if a censor ban was put in to place where we cant give other players crap for being stupid and losing horribly in the game. Its what makes this game great and fun to play in as a pvper. Go read the Ban policy section Section 3 HARASSMENT This counts in and outside of the game. No it doesn't. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
[4023] - Quote
Whoops, Don't know what happened to my original post, it got nuked. |
Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
[4024] - Quote
i think is time for everyone to calm down |
Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
[4025] - Quote
Would it be harassment if I offered a bounty for every pubbie kill mail delivered to me? Actually that sounds fun, 10 million isk per kill of RougeOperator starting.......NOW! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3698
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:50:00 -
[4026] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
It's a good thing that account actions are not a democratic process then, isn't it?
Because he's not going to get banned, deal with it~ "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:51:00 -
[4027] - Quote
do you ever feel like giving up? |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:51:00 -
[4028] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
this ^^^^ Aryndel Samson wrote: They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid. as for this ****** im not even gonna go into how picking a name in eve is rediculously hard
You do know Rouge is red in french, dont you? |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
292
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:51:00 -
[4029] - Quote
Allataria wrote:
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game.
Sure you can. First of all there is a catch-all that allows CCP to ban anyone from the game for any reason or no reason at all. So if I walked up to Helgar and started screaming in his face about him being a ***** and ********* and &!@$&!@$&!@$&!!! he could have me banned from Eve without any problem at all. I'd have no recourse either. But that aside, there's also the requirements for being a CSM:
They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM
Do you really think his behaviour constituted "carrying himself in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow", in CCP's opinion? I very much doubt it. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Boz Wel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:53:00 -
[4030] - Quote
I'm amazed people are so "outraged" by this. Who even really cares. It was a tasteless joke, but it was obviously a joke. No rational person thinks that Mittens was actively attempting to get someone to kill himself. If I got an rambling email from a 23 account holding Mackinaw pilot on the verge of suicide because mining space rocks with 23 accounts is all that makes him happy in life... I'd probably make a tasteless joke as well, because let's face it - that's pretty pathetic.
Now, it's horribly unprofessional to make such a joke in a drunken stupor at Fanfest to a group of other players. Still, Mittens has apologized for it and taken actions to attempt to make up for that. Still, you have to keep things in perspective. This was a tasteless joke and no more. Calling for the guy's head in game in the way of bans and what not is ridiculous. |
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NamingViolation
The Logistical Nightmare
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:54:00 -
[4031] - Quote
Allataria wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game. EULA and ToS does not apply to things done outside of the game environment. Im sorry Wis but greifing other players is every pvp players given right. I am horrified to what would happen to EVE if a censor ban was put in to place where we cant give other players crap for being stupid and losing horribly in the game. Its what makes this game great and fun to play in as a pvper. I think you find that because it was at an official CCP Event, being streamed to thousands of players then CCP can do what it likes. In the grand schemes of the the EULA/TOS mean ****. If CCP want to ban you then can and will. Some people need to realise something about the EULA/TOS, it gives CCP the right to do what ever they like, end off. On the flip side I agree with you to a point about what goes on in game. Even so if they banned the Mittani they would lose all credibility of being a respected and fair judging corporation. The EULA and ToS are in there not only to protect the company but to protect the players as well. I cant see them bending the rules to ban someone for simply speaking out at an event. This would be like banning two players for fighting at fanfest because they dont like each other's alliances. There was no breach of game rules because this happened outside of the game. They can't do anything about it. The same reason why they cant help people who get scammed if all the dialogue happened out of the game under different handles. CCP's role as a moderator in what went on can only pertain to the events happening in the game. Yes this happened at a CCP event but the EULA and ToS only pertain to what happens in the game. As far as I know there is no agreement or ToS regarding what you can or cant say during these events. If there was then they probably shouldnt have handed out huge amounts of alochol to the player base because how could they not have seen that something like this has happened before or would have happened now? Get real this is way beyond "someone for simply speaking out at an event" Mittani litterally encouraged people to help him provoke a guy to suicide" That is illegal in most countries and VERY different from just speaking up. You know you are not really helping trying to make Mittens look innocent... u r just fueling the flames and feeding the trolls. MIttens is a bastard and goons are a bunch of bastards - so what thats how they choose to play Eve, the only error he made is to actually encourage ppl to provoke suicide, rest is just epic Eve saga
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Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:54:00 -
[4032] - Quote
Suicide Counsellor wrote:do you ever feel like giving up?
Like killing myself?
I will do it....
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
82
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:54:00 -
[4033] - Quote
Andski wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
It's a good thing that account actions are not a democratic process then, isn't it? Because he's not going to get banned, deal with it~
If a ban is the minimum now, I wonder what MakeupOperator thinks should be the maximum? |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:54:00 -
[4034] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Allataria wrote:
You cant ban someone for things said outside of the game.
Sure you can. First of all there is a catch-all that allows CCP to ban anyone from the game for any reason or no reason at all. So if I walked up to Helgar and started screaming in his face about him being a ***** and ********* and &!@$&!@$&!@$&!!! he could have me banned from Eve without any problem at all. I'd have no recourse either. But that aside, there's also the requirements for being a CSM: They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSMDo you really think his behaviour constituted "carrying himself in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow", in CCP's opinion? I very much doubt it. You mean we cant have fun or consume alcohol while playing? There goes the entire playerbase then... |
Volster
Diabolus Ex Machina
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:55:00 -
[4035] - Quote
if anything, the only bits i could ccp realisticly doing would be to accept his resignation from the csm and / or not invite him to speak at future fanfests. banning him from the game would be a massive overreacton from ccp's end, as ultimatly they have to look at the facts of what actually happened rather than taking into account any personal feelings of his playstile.
like it or not,the ice interdiction was entirely withing game mechanics, and (apart from petitions) there's no rule against publishing communiction that someones chosen to send you. ultimatly all they have to act on is him encouraging others to harrass this person, and even then it was only in the form of "if you want to" rather than an active encouragment, so at worst he ought to be given a warning.
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Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:01:00 -
[4036] - Quote
highonpop wrote:Voull wrote:Why is this thread still going? Do people honestly think it is acceptable to belittle someone and attempt to push them to suicide?
Grow up. I dont think its right to belittle someone who is genuinely depressed and suicidal. But if someone is crying and threatening to kill themselves over a video game. they are just looking for attention. Attention whores DESERVE to be belittled and teased and pointed/laughed at.
No one knew if Wis was really suicidal or not. Mittani crossed a line that should not have been crossed. I do believe Mittani is sincere in his apology, but he messed up pretty badly and should face some consequences for it |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:02:00 -
[4037] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Allataria wrote:
Even so if they banned the Mittani they would lose all credibility of being a respected and fair judging corporation. The EULA and ToS are in there not only to protect the company but to protect the players as well. I cant see them bending the rules to ban someone for simply speaking out at an event. This would be like banning two players for fighting at fanfest because they dont like each other's alliances. There was no breach of game rules because this happened outside of the game. They can't do anything about it. The same reason why they cant help people who get scammed if all the dialogue happened out of the game under different handles. CCP's role as a moderator in what went on can only pertain to the events happening in the game. Yes this happened at a CCP event but the EULA and ToS only pertain to what happens in the game. As far as I know there is no agreement or ToS regarding what you can or cant say during these events. If there was then they probably shouldnt have handed out huge amounts of alochol to the player base because how could they not have seen that something like this has happened before or would have happened now?
Wrong again. Many Games companies have banned people for things which were not on the EULA/TOS. I agree that CCP were naive and if they had pre-screened the presentation beforehand then I'm I would imagine who ever did the screening has had to answer some pretty hard questions.
remember nipplegate ?
high professional TV stations arnt proof from that .. live is live
CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM |
baltec1
925
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:02:00 -
[4038] - Quote
NamingViolation wrote:
The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)
You missed out the part that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously at all. |
Karoline Kane
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:03:00 -
[4039] - Quote
I just donest make sense to me all this ''blah blah personal details''
when they have been on the player bio with a long description of his life and exploits easily accesible to everyone |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3699
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:03:00 -
[4040] - Quote
Voull wrote:No one knew if Wis was really suicidal or not. Mittani crossed a line that should not have been crossed. I do believe Mittani is sincere in his apology, but he messed up pretty badly and should face some consequences for it
thanks for your opinion forum alt of no importance o7o7o7 "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
193
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:04:00 -
[4041] - Quote
Ah another day of fruitful posting comes to a close. |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:04:00 -
[4042] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:NamingViolation wrote:
The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)
You missed out the part that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously at all.
You're a f***ing idiot |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:04:00 -
[4043] - Quote
Altimo wrote:The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis Then don't post personal information about your self to strangers, its not rocket science its common sense. That goes for anyone really. This is a game where people don't take other in game characters seriously. Now look, he did not state your real name, but the personae your playing as in game. You know it takes more balls to apologize in front of thousands of people as a real person giving your real name, then it does to simply hide behind those people crying about an issue that never had to exist in the first place. It also takes more courage to forgive in some cases then it does to simply continue hating on someone that ultimately resulted in something you did. No one asked you to send that eve mail, and to the most notorious group known as the GOON SWARM what the hell kind of response did you think you were gonna get? Its like poking a hornets nest and wondering why you got stung... oh wait.
Lesson to be lerned: NO ONE wants to hear you want to kill yourself on a internet game. We are not psiquiatrists.
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Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
83
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:04:00 -
[4044] - Quote
Voull wrote:baltec1 wrote:NamingViolation wrote:
The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)
You missed out the part that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously at all. You're a f***ing idiot You seem upset. |
Hench Tenet
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:11:00 -
[4045] - Quote
This thread is entirely tl;dr, but has anyone pointed out that CCP put the guy's character name on the login screen? Now compare that to saying it at a rather low-key presentation (Which would have been much lower of a key if the morallords didn't rile up so much faux indignation over it) |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
85
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:11:00 -
[4046] - Quote
Amity Lane wrote:Ice Fist wrote:The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis I feel for you Wis, I really do. You were the brunt of a drunken joke. The Mittani both apologized in this thread, and sent you a large sum of isk by way of apology and to compensate you many times over for what you lost. However, this post is late. In fact, in a controversy like this, where every single Anti-Mittani, Anti-Goon sicophant has come running to join the fray, demanding blood, this post is too late. This story broke 3 days ago. You were made aware of it 2 days ago (at the very least). Several people have asked for your opinion in in-game conversations, and these are posted here in this thread. Previously, you seemed pretty non-chalant. Of course, not at all happy that you were used as a joke, but certainly not looking for blood and certainly not hopping on the mock outrage bandwagon. So consider me a skeptic. Just as many people here are skeptics of The Mittani's apology, I am skeptic that this is genuine outrage. So what was the promised price? Yeah, I said it. In a politically charged atmosphere where every eve politician and goon hater stands to gain something from The Mittani's downfall, it is not at all far fetched to believe that you were well-compensated for this post. I can't prove it, but the delay between this charade becoming viral and you coming here to give your fake outraged opinion, lends plenty of credibility to the notion that this post came with a price tag. Hell, it'd be a bargain for some of the people here screaming with mock anger to give you double what the Mittani gave you just for a simple post on how 'hurtful' this was. You should also consider that people like Jade Constantine, sitting there on their high horse acting like you're their long-lost space brother, really don't care at all about you. In fact, regardless of what they say, the vast majority of the phony Mittani haters here don't have the slightest bit of compassion for you or what happened to you. They just stand to gain from the consequences. So congrats, you have become a means to an end, and you've played your part brilliantly. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Care to provide some?
Bolded the relevant part for you. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
293
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:12:00 -
[4047] - Quote
The Wis wrote: (#3830) OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
Thank you for having the courage to enter the shark's den known as The Mittani's apology. It is very enlightening to hear your thoughts on the matter as his goon minions have been spinning the truth in here so fast they should all be falling over dizzy. Your points are 100% valid about this not being an in-game issue.
If you live in the US, I suggest you contact an attorney and ask him about the possibility of a lawsuit for "intentional infliction of emotional distress." Courts have ruled that the offense must rise to the level that the average person upon hearing of it would exclaim "outrageous!" I believe urging people on a live broadcast to make someone kill themselves because that person had voiced suicidal thoughts rises to that level of outrageousness. As punitive damages can be collected in this type of case, you may be looking at a substantially valuable claim. Just food for thought.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
246
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:12:00 -
[4048] - Quote
Bring out the quafe and exotic dancers! 200 pages ! \o/ To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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recurrsion
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:12:00 -
[4049] - Quote
Andski wrote:recurrsion wrote:Andski wrote: thanks for your opinion forum alt of no importance o7o7o7
Says the goon drone of no importance. i'm far more relevant than any nobody who posts with a forum alt, thanks
Keep telling yourself that drone. Im sure it will help you feel important in your special little internet spaceship way |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
118
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:12:00 -
[4050] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:NamingViolation wrote:
The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)
You missed out the part that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously at all. Its about perception. You think it was a Joke, hence funny. Just because you think it was funny doesn't mean other people will think its funny. Now okay, before you argue does that mean you can't go around making jokes for fear of offending anybody, no it doesn't, not at all. However there are some subject matters which, when address thousands of players at a official CCP Event and you are the Player Elected Chairman, you do not joke about. I would say one of those is assisting somebody to commit suicide, especially when you take into account the current publicity in the media world wide about Cyber Bullying and how Computers Games are making kids kill people etc etc.
Okay, so you are admitting that this is all about perception. In that case, please stop demanding that everyone adheres to your personal perception of what went on, and instead wait for those whose perception actually matters - namely, CCP - to come out and make a decision. |
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Suicide Counsellor
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:13:00 -
[4051] - Quote
for the 200 post i wanted a self snipe
oh well.... |
NamingViolation
The Logistical Nightmare
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:13:00 -
[4052] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis I feel for you Wis, I really do. You were the brunt of a drunken joke. The Mittani both apologized in this thread, and sent you a large sum of isk by way of apology and to compensate you many times over for what you lost. However, this post is late. In fact, in a controversy like this, where every single Anti-Mittani, Anti-Goon sicophant has come running to join the fray, demanding blood, this post is too late. This story broke 3 days ago. You were made aware of it 2 days ago (at the very least). Several people have asked for your opinion in in-game conversations, and these are posted here in this thread. Previously, you seemed pretty non-chalant. Of course, not at all happy that you were used as a joke, but certainly not looking for blood and certainly not hopping on the mock outrage bandwagon. So consider me a skeptic. Just as many people here are skeptics of The Mittani's apology, I am skeptic that this is genuine outrage. So what was the promised price? Yeah, I said it. In a politically charged atmosphere where every eve politician and goon hater stands to gain something from The Mittani's downfall, it is not at all far fetched to believe that you were well-compensated for this post. I can't prove it, but the delay between this charade becoming viral and you coming here to give your fake outraged opinion, lends plenty of credibility to the notion that this post came with a price tag. Hell, it'd be a bargain for some of the people here screaming with mock anger to give you double what the Mittani gave you just for a simple post on how 'hurtful' this was. You should also consider that people like Jade Constantine, sitting there on their high horse acting like you're their long-lost space brother, really don't care at all about you. In fact, regardless of what they say, the vast majority of the phony Mittani haters here don't have the slightest bit of compassion for you or what happened to you. They just stand to gain from the consequences. So congrats, you have become a means to an end, and you've played your part brilliantly.
Ahh u gadda luv a good trol when u see it ;o) |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
138
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:13:00 -
[4053] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote:This thread is entirely tl;dr, but has anyone pointed out that CCP put the guy's character name on the login screen? Now compare that to saying it at a rather low-key presentation (Which would have been much lower of a key if the morallords didn't rile up so much faux indignation over it) Yeah, that part was just plain stupid. I wonder whose idea that was. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
782
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:13:00 -
[4054] - Quote
Daviclond wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Daviclond wrote:Giuliano Verti wrote: Alexander, be coherent, be a man, keep you'r word and resign.
hahahaha You laughing at the thought that the Mittani could ever be a man.. join the club the atrocities of the EVE community against the english language in this thread have probably been my favourite bit
Indeed.
It's amazing how many people forget to capitalise proper nouns or begin sentences with capitals.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:14:00 -
[4055] - Quote
Andski wrote:recurrsion wrote:Andski wrote: thanks for your opinion forum alt of no importance o7o7o7
Says the goon drone of no importance. i'm far more relevant than any nobody who posts with a forum alt, thanks
Congrats brah
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3700
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:14:00 -
[4056] - Quote
recurrsion wrote:Andski wrote:recurrsion wrote:Andski wrote: thanks for your opinion forum alt of no importance o7o7o7
Says the goon drone of no importance. i'm far more relevant than any nobody who posts with a forum alt, thanks Keep telling yourself that drone. Im sure it will help you feel important in your special little internet spaceship way
Hey if you're going to call me a GOON DRONE LOL you should probably post with your main because otherwise I'll just assume that you're a mindless drone scratching at a veldspar asteroid somewhere "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:14:00 -
[4057] - Quote
Kallynda Nai wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Ice Fist wrote:The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis I feel for you Wis, I really do. You were the brunt of a drunken joke. The Mittani both apologized in this thread, and sent you a large sum of isk by way of apology and to compensate you many times over for what you lost. However, this post is late. In fact, in a controversy like this, where every single Anti-Mittani, Anti-Goon sicophant has come running to join the fray, demanding blood, this post is too late. This story broke 3 days ago. You were made aware of it 2 days ago (at the very least). Several people have asked for your opinion in in-game conversations, and these are posted here in this thread. Previously, you seemed pretty non-chalant. Of course, not at all happy that you were used as a joke, but certainly not looking for blood and certainly not hopping on the mock outrage bandwagon. So consider me a skeptic. Just as many people here are skeptics of The Mittani's apology, I am skeptic that this is genuine outrage. So what was the promised price? Yeah, I said it. In a politically charged atmosphere where every eve politician and goon hater stands to gain something from The Mittani's downfall, it is not at all far fetched to believe that you were well-compensated for this post. I can't prove it, but the delay between this charade becoming viral and you coming here to give your fake outraged opinion, lends plenty of credibility to the notion that this post came with a price tag. Hell, it'd be a bargain for some of the people here screaming with mock anger to give you double what the Mittani gave you just for a simple post on how 'hurtful' this was. You should also consider that people like Jade Constantine, sitting there on their high horse acting like you're their long-lost space brother, really don't care at all about you. In fact, regardless of what they say, the vast majority of the phony Mittani haters here don't have the slightest bit of compassion for you or what happened to you. They just stand to gain from the consequences. So congrats, you have become a means to an end, and you've played your part brilliantly. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Care to provide some? Bolded the relevant part for you.
then why post slinging mud around gets you nowhere CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:14:00 -
[4058] - Quote
Voull wrote:Ah, goons always crawl back to their defense of "u mad bro" when they know they are wrong youre thinking of 4chan, hth |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
452
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:15:00 -
[4059] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:NamingViolation wrote:
The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)
You missed out the part that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously at all. Its about perception. You think it was a Joke, hence funny. Just because you think it was funny doesn't mean other people will think its funny. Now okay, before you argue does that mean you can't go around making jokes for fear of offending anybody, no it doesn't, not at all. However there are some subject matters which, when address thousands of players at a official CCP Event and you are the Player Elected Chairman, you do not joke about. I would say one of those is assisting somebody to commit suicide, especially when you take into account the current publicity in the media world wide about Cyber Bullying and how Computers Games are making kids kill people etc etc. Keep twisting keep spinning. No one buys it at this point. Okay, so you are admitting that this is all about perception. In that case, please stop demanding that everyone adheres to your personal perception of what went on, and instead wait for those whose perception actually matters - namely, CCP - to come out and make a decision.
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:15:00 -
[4060] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Ice Fist wrote:The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis I feel for you Wis, I really do. You were the brunt of a drunken joke. The Mittani both apologized in this thread, and sent you a large sum of isk by way of apology and to compensate you many times over for what you lost. However, this post is late. In fact, in a controversy like this, where every single Anti-Mittani, Anti-Goon sicophant has come running to join the fray, demanding blood, this post is too late. This story broke 3 days ago. You were made aware of it 2 days ago (at the very least). Several people have asked for your opinion in in-game conversations, and these are posted here in this thread. Previously, you seemed pretty non-chalant. Of course, not at all happy that you were used as a joke, but certainly not looking for blood and certainly not hopping on the mock outrage bandwagon. So consider me a skeptic. Just as many people here are skeptics of The Mittani's apology, I am skeptic that this is genuine outrage. So what was the promised price? Yeah, I said it. In a politically charged atmosphere where every eve politician and goon hater stands to gain something from The Mittani's downfall, it is not at all far fetched to believe that you were well-compensated for this post. I can't prove it, but the delay between this charade becoming viral and you coming here to give your fake outraged opinion, lends plenty of credibility to the notion that this post came with a price tag. Hell, it'd be a bargain for some of the people here screaming with mock anger to give you double what the Mittani gave you just for a simple post on how 'hurtful' this was. You should also consider that people like Jade Constantine, sitting there on their high horse acting like you're their long-lost space brother, really don't care at all about you. In fact, regardless of what they say, the vast majority of the phony Mittani haters here don't have the slightest bit of compassion for you or what happened to you. They just stand to gain from the consequences. So congrats, you have become a means to an end, and you've played your part brilliantly. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Care to provide some? Bolded the relevant part for you. then why post slinging mud around gets you nowhere
i agree, lets close this stupid thread and ban the accounts of all posters within |
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:15:00 -
[4061] - Quote
Hench Tenet wrote:This thread is entirely tl;dr, but has anyone pointed out that CCP put the guy's character name on the login screen? Now compare that to saying it at a rather low-key presentation (Which would have been much lower of a key if the morallords didn't rile up so much faux indignation over it)
You can think of nothing lower key than telling thousands of your thugs to grief someone?
That's funny, I can think of hundreds off the top of my head.
Shameless Goons continue shameless lies.l
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:22:00 -
[4062] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:Andski wrote:PsychoBitch wrote:CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned. yeah let's **** off thousands of bored jerks whose subs won't lapse for months let's just see how unplayable the game becomes i see what you did thar!!
Go ahead, I hope they do **** them thousands of bored jerks off, maybe then they'll do more than forum ***** themselves and get the gears churning once more in EVE. And if they do, like a spoiled child they go into a tantrum may they be ignored as they burn themselves out in their own rage. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
454
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:22:00 -
[4063] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:
Are you saying he scammed The Mittani out of isk?
Are you saying he scammed The Mittani out of isk is too good to be true.
There is that, then there is still the rumor that its a troll by the mittani. Even if it turn out a troll he should be banned for the implications of what his "JOKE" could have lead too. Or worse yet creating a fake story that had real world damages to CCP and possibly SONY. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:22:00 -
[4064] - Quote
Rodj Blake wrote:It's occured to me that if The Mittani were truly sorry he'd have asked his swarm of Goons to be a little bit less agressive in this thread. fofofo |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:22:00 -
[4065] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Voull wrote:Andski wrote:PsychoBitch wrote:CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned. yeah let's **** off thousands of bored jerks whose subs won't lapse for months let's just see how unplayable the game becomes Good riddance, go back to the hole you crawled out from (and paid $10 for) Please, tell us more about how important you are to the world of Eve.
Who cares? |
Citamarret
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:23:00 -
[4066] - Quote
why is this thread still going |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
294
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:23:00 -
[4067] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Princess Bride wrote: Thank you for having the courage to enter the shark pool known as The Mittani's apology. It is very enlightening to hear your thoughts on the matter as his goon minions have been spinning the truth in here so fast they should all be falling over dizzy. Your points are 100% valid about this not being an in-game issue.
If you live in the US, I suggest you contact an attorney and ask him about the possibility of a lawsuit for "intentional infliction of emotional distress." Courts have ruled that the offense must rise to the level that the average person upon hearing of it would exclaim "outrageous!" I believe urging people on a live broadcast to make someone kill themselves because that person had voiced suicidal thoughts rises to that level of outrageousness. As punitive damages can be collected in this type of case, you may be looking at a substantially valuable claim. Just food for thought.
Wow, quoting American law on an internet forum. You must be an expert barrister then, right? Please, tell us more about your long and successful career in criminal law.
Someone has to have a successful career in criminal law to advise someone to see an attorney on a civil matter? What interesting ideas you have. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:23:00 -
[4068] - Quote
Alexandra Alt wrote:Andski wrote:PsychoBitch wrote:CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned. yeah let's **** off thousands of bored jerks whose subs won't lapse for months let's just see how unplayable the game becomes Because of comments like this, I'd love to see CCP call your bluff, and start the ban wave on your drones until the ones not banned grow a brain.
A more valid question would be if, would the game subscription grow if every single Goon was banned. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
454
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:24:00 -
[4069] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:It's occured to me that if The Mittani were truly sorry he'd have asked his swarm of Goons to be a little bit less agressive in this thread. fofofo
And here in is the proof the the ultimate danger of what he did. Look at the mentality of the goons in these threads.
They would have followed through with what the mittani said in a heartbeat if not for the backlash that came out about it. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:24:00 -
[4070] - Quote
recurrsion wrote:Andski wrote:Hey if you're going to call me a GOON DRONE LOL you should probably post with your main because otherwise I'll just assume that you're a mindless drone scratching at a veldspar asteroid somewhere There really isnt any point of a "main" cause anyone can just sell it and get a new one. So why bother posting with a "main". Your comments though main or not doesnt make you any less of a drone. then why arent you posting on it |
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Dusenman
Black Lance RAZOR Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:24:00 -
[4071] - Quote
Citamarret wrote:why is this thread still going
Forum Warriors! GM Homonoia: In other words; feel free to use the tactic, but don't be an utter and total ***. |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:24:00 -
[4072] - Quote
Andski wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:Andski wrote:PsychoBitch wrote:CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned. yeah let's **** off thousands of bored jerks whose subs won't lapse for months let's just see how unplayable the game becomes Because of comments like this, I'd love to see CCP call your bluff, and start the ban wave on your drones until the ones not banned grow a brain. Too bad griefing the hell out of highsec isn't bannable lol
Oh you think grieving (It's grieving btw) high sec is making the game unplayable ?! LoL I rest my case. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:24:00 -
[4073] - Quote
Alexander Taos wrote:Perhaps the decision has been made: http://twitter.com/#!/Darius_III_ Quote:
Steve Hamer GÇÅ @Hamerhead Hey #csm7 can we expect some news about you-know-what before the weekend? #tweetfleet #eveonline
Darius III GÇÅ @Darius_III_ @Hamerhead Very soon. Be prepared for good news #tweetfleet #csm7
Also: Quote: Darius III GÇÅ @Darius_III_ I have further things to discuss with my fellow CSM and soon Ex-CSM members. I will update you later. #tweetfleet #CSM7
and props for attacking alcoholics. Quote: Darius III GÇÅ @Darius_III_ For a better #CSM7 without the influence of sociopathic alcoholics! #tweetfleet
Your first mistake was presuming Darius is a trustworthy source of information.
... actually your first mistake was listening to Darius at all. |
Prince Kobol
430
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:24:00 -
[4074] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:NamingViolation wrote:
The ultimate fact that happened was that Mittani actively encouraged the audience and viewers to put presure on a named player with the intent to make this player kill himself. Now thats the ultimate fact - deal with it... cause sure as f CCP will (be forced too)
You missed out the part that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously at all. Its about perception. You think it was a Joke, hence funny. Just because you think it was funny doesn't mean other people will think its funny. Now okay, before you argue does that mean you can't go around making jokes for fear of offending anybody, no it doesn't, not at all. However there are some subject matters which, when address thousands of players at a official CCP Event and you are the Player Elected Chairman, you do not joke about. I would say one of those is assisting somebody to commit suicide, especially when you take into account the current publicity in the media world wide about Cyber Bullying and how Computers Games are making kids kill people etc etc. Okay, so you are admitting that this is all about perception. In that case, please stop demanding that everyone adheres to your personal perception of what went on, and instead wait for those whose perception actually matters - namely, CCP - to come out and make a decision.
Of course its about perception, its about public opinion, its about the majority.
If it was just a bunch of people on a forum then as far as CCP is concerned it is of no importance, they have proved this in the past.
However its is now external to Eve. It is internet sites that CCP heavily rely on for advertising and for getting new people into the game.
Its those internet sites that CCP care about, their perception of what happen and it ain't good. Also if you read the comments on many of those sites it looks even worse.
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low26
Mortis Angelus Northern Coalition.
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:24:00 -
[4075] - Quote
Andski wrote:PsychoBitch wrote:CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned. yeah let's **** off thousands of bored jerks whose subs won't lapse for months let's just see how unplayable the game becomes
Lol come at me bro! So it will be like last night in VFK when 200 of you hid from like 60? Goons never fight unless its like 4 to 1 odds in their favor
Mittens is done for ~deal with it~ |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
82
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:25:00 -
[4076] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:It's occured to me that if The Mittani were truly sorry he'd have asked his swarm of Goons to be a little bit less agressive in this thread. That would require mittens to actually control the goons...
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Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:25:00 -
[4077] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:Andski wrote:PsychoBitch wrote:CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned. yeah let's **** off thousands of bored jerks whose subs won't lapse for months let's just see how unplayable the game becomes Because of comments like this, I'd love to see CCP call your bluff, and start the ban wave on your drones until the ones not banned grow a brain. A more valid question would be if, would banning every single Goon cause the subscription base to grow?
Are goons threatening to leave now because their dear leader is going to resign?
LOL |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3701
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:28:00 -
[4078] - Quote
low26 wrote:Lol come at me bro! So it will be like last night in VFK when 200 of you hid from like 60? Goons never fight unless its like 4 to 1 odds in their favor Mittens is done for ~deal with it~
No, more like the time when we doubled the operating cost of your shitfit supercapital fleet. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
recurrsion
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:28:00 -
[4079] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:recurrsion wrote:Andski wrote:Hey if you're going to call me a GOON DRONE LOL you should probably post with your main because otherwise I'll just assume that you're a mindless drone scratching at a veldspar asteroid somewhere There really isnt any point of a "main" cause anyone can just sell it and get a new one. So why bother posting with a "main". Your comments though main or not doesnt make you any less of a drone. then why arent you posting on it
Are you a main or an alt who has a face! I'll cut and paste it for you again in case you missed it....
There really isnt any point of a "main" cause anyone can just sell it and get a new one. So why bother posting with a "main". Your comments though main or not doesnt make you any less of a drone. |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:29:00 -
[4080] - Quote
With any luck this saga will be over by the weekend. |
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:29:00 -
[4081] - Quote
Skogen Gump wrote:Citamarret wrote:why is this thread still going Because we think we matter. We're the kind of people who sign internet petitions to get anime games localized in english.
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Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:30:00 -
[4082] - Quote
Andski wrote:Alexandra Alt wrote:Oh you think grieving (It's grieving btw) high sec is making the game unplayable ?! LoL I rest my case. griefing is not grieving
You are absolutely right (it's not normal and I'm intrigued as how you managed to get to that conclusion) I shall fix the right post that chrome decided to mislead me. |
Volster
Diabolus Ex Machina
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:30:00 -
[4083] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:It's occured to me that if The Mittani were truly sorry he'd have asked his swarm of Goons to be a little bit less agressive in this thread. fofofo And here in is the proof the the ultimate danger of what he did. Look at the mentality of the goons in these threads. They would have followed through with what the mittani said in a heartbeat if not for the backlash that came out about it.
i doubt it unless it was posted on their forums as a reimbursable op
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:30:00 -
[4084] - Quote
CONGRATS GUYS! WE HAVE DONE IT!
We have finally overtaken space barbies as the biggest thread in the forums. Lets keep posting irelevant BS to give this thread an unassailable lead. |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:30:00 -
[4085] - Quote
Andski wrote:low26 wrote:Lol come at me bro! So it will be like last night in VFK when 200 of you hid from like 60? Goons never fight unless its like 4 to 1 odds in their favor Mittens is done for ~deal with it~ No, more like the time when we doubled the operating cost of your shitfit supercapital fleet.
Wait wait, let me use some goonspeak:
~u mad bro?~
Honestly, your buddies are sad and want to ragequit EVE now. Maybe you should take your ball and go home too |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:30:00 -
[4086] - Quote
Welcome to the reality of political parties and those amongst them, despite being the two incharge they learn they are actually the minority in their world, and those they rule know better. Scream and scream, the people of EVE barely hear you. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:30:00 -
[4087] - Quote
recurrsion wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:recurrsion wrote:Andski wrote:Hey if you're going to call me a GOON DRONE LOL you should probably post with your main because otherwise I'll just assume that you're a mindless drone scratching at a veldspar asteroid somewhere There really isnt any point of a "main" cause anyone can just sell it and get a new one. So why bother posting with a "main". Your comments though main or not doesnt make you any less of a drone. then why arent you posting on it Are you a main or an alt who has a face! I'll cut and paste it for you again in case you missed it.... There really isnt any point of a "main" cause anyone can just sell it and get a new one. So why bother posting with a "main". Your comments though main or not doesnt make you any less of a drone.
"hey guys it doesn't matter if i post on a main because i could just spend irl cash and sell it!"
*refuses to post on a main* |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
459
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:31:00 -
[4088] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Xython wrote:Sorry dude, the chat logs people have posted from you directly contradict your current post. Nice time jumping on the bandwagon though. Mittani originally posted "deal with it", then changed his attitude toward the situation later on. How is this any different? They hold double standards and are hypocrites and liars. After these responses to The Wis posting full on Ban of the Mittani is now required by ccp. You also hold double standards, you are a hypocrite and you make things up to try and make your point. When does your ban start?
Make stuff up? Are you implying i somehow manufactured an entire fake HD fan fest stream?
Wow Im good. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
298
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:31:00 -
[4089] - Quote
By the way, the answer to "Is this thread still going" would be "This thread is just getting started."
Wait till you see it after The Mittani is booted from the CSM (sorry, steps down "voluntarily") and then again after his accounts are banned. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:32:00 -
[4090] - Quote
Sunviking wrote:With any luck this saga will be over by the weekend.
i hope so CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3701
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:32:00 -
[4091] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:By the way, the answer to "Is this thread still going" would be "This thread is just getting started."
Wait till you see it after The Mittani is booted from the CSM (sorry, steps down "voluntarily") and then again after his accounts are banned.
lmao "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:33:00 -
[4092] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:
...But hey, to get me to shutup, all you need to do is get the Wiz to post API-verified wallet information...
Right after Mittens posts his.
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Derrick Munroe
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:33:00 -
[4093] - Quote
I too get internet-offended over a drunken joke. Jesus, the political-correctness level in this thread is soul-crushing.
HTFU -- CCP |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:33:00 -
[4094] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Yes, because miners clearly have a higher IQ than goons.
Clearly your do not grasp the concept of average. Here is a place that would educate you on the subject.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average |
Stabs McShiv
MINUS4
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:33:00 -
[4095] - Quote
I have not seen such a epic troll in years well done goons absolutely hilarious.
/tips hat. |
Arkady Vachon
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:33:00 -
[4096] - Quote
The Wis wrote:
This was never anything over the game. I was having fun with the guys and it did not hurt my in game wallet. I am sorry that after talking to them I told them more then I should. None of this is over the game itself. I am 47 and try not to let game things bother me. It is hard to do sometimes But it happens. So I vented my frustration to him fine. Done.. But to make it public. Ok that I guess only hurts me.. But to call out my name and encourge people to go after me.. Well that is different. The mail I sent him I had allot of double enduwindows for him to get a laugh out of. LIke I will go play with myself. that was ment for a laugh on his part.
Okay, so here's the straight up question.
How do YOU want to see this resolved, and what do YOU want to see happen in this incident.?
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recurrsion
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:34:00 -
[4097] - Quote
Sir Marksalot wrote:recurrsion wrote:Sir Marksalot wrote:recurrsion wrote:Andski wrote:Hey if you're going to call me a GOON DRONE LOL you should probably post with your main because otherwise I'll just assume that you're a mindless drone scratching at a veldspar asteroid somewhere There really isnt any point of a "main" cause anyone can just sell it and get a new one. So why bother posting with a "main". Your comments though main or not doesnt make you any less of a drone. then why arent you posting on it Are you a main or an alt who has a face! I'll cut and paste it for you again in case you missed it.... There really isnt any point of a "main" cause anyone can just sell it and get a new one. So why bother posting with a "main". Your comments though main or not doesnt make you any less of a drone. "hey guys it doesn't matter if i post on a main because i could just spend irl cash and sell it!" *refuses to post on a main*
Hey! Thats what I said. This drone seems to get it. |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:39:00 -
[4098] - Quote
Wis should press charges and force Mittani into rehabilitation, that would be the most epic troll ever |
Ai Shun
446
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:39:00 -
[4099] - Quote
The Wis wrote:This was never anything over the game. I was having fun with the guys and it did not hurt my in game wallet. I am sorry that after talking to them I told them more then I should. None of this is over the game itself. I am 47 and try not to let game things bother me. It is hard to do sometimes But it happens. So I vented my frustration to him fine. Done.. But to make it public. Ok that I guess only hurts me.. But to call out my name and encourge people to go after me.. Well that is different. The mail I sent him I had allot of double enduwindows for him to get a laugh out of. LIke I will go play with myself. that was ment for a laugh on his part.
The moral crusaders are outraged. The Goons and their dicklickers are being asshats. But it seems nobody has bothered to ask a simple question here.
What do you want?
Edit: Seems Arkady did. Good. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
306
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:39:00 -
[4100] - Quote
*kicks back and waits for the CSM decision*
Are you feeling a little pucker in your seat goons? If so, that's your *** working as intended. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:39:00 -
[4101] - Quote
recurrsion wrote: :sperg: beep boop I am an alt because i'm scared of looking stupid on my main
and you don't seem to get being made fun of! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3702
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:39:00 -
[4102] - Quote
low26 wrote:Andski wrote:low26 wrote:Lol come at me bro! So it will be like last night in VFK when 200 of you hid from like 60? Goons never fight unless its like 4 to 1 odds in their favor Mittens is done for ~deal with it~ No, more like the time when we doubled the operating cost of your shitfit supercapital fleet. Our shitfit capital fleet that took like 1000 of you to kill... Even shitheels get lucky once in a while
Weird things happen when an FC broadcasts SUPERS TACKLED to a jabber server with 1000+ people
not that you'd know about it, lol
GSF intel: "Coming Soon" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Alexander Taos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:41:00 -
[4103] - Quote
Voull wrote:Wis should press charges and force Mittani into rehabilitation, that would be the most epic troll ever In what Jurisdiction? |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
65
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:41:00 -
[4104] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:@ The Wiz Hey. A little advice. Just don't post in this thread. You are neither a moronic asshat, mentally deficient goon alt/pet or a forum warrior. These are the prerequisites for posting in a threadnought of such anger and bee fear. Simply relax, watch the drama and enjoy it. Attempting to explain yourself will only lead to misquotes and out of context attacks. Good luck and consider what I have said. Mr Epeen
Quoted for thuth
Nothing clever at this time. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:41:00 -
[4105] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:The Wis wrote:This was never anything over the game. I was having fun with the guys and it did not hurt my in game wallet. I am sorry that after talking to them I told them more then I should. None of this is over the game itself. I am 47 and try not to let game things bother me. It is hard to do sometimes But it happens. So I vented my frustration to him fine. Done.. But to make it public. Ok that I guess only hurts me.. But to call out my name and encourge people to go after me.. Well that is different. The mail I sent him I had allot of double enduwindows for him to get a laugh out of. LIke I will go play with myself. that was ment for a laugh on his part. The moral crusaders are outraged. The Goons and their dicklickers are being asshats. But it seems nobody has bothered to ask a simple question here. What do you want?
It's because those crusaders don't actually care about The Wis. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1365
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:42:00 -
[4106] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:I too get internet-offended over a drunken joke. Jesus, the political-correctness level in this thread is soul-crushing. HTFU -- CCP according to Alex (the RL guy) it wasnt a joke and hes fully aware that he has done something horrible get your facts first before posting ...
Erm, the "something horrible" he apologizes for was mocking the miner at a live event and giving out his character name. He never claimed to have serious intent behind it.
He at no point said that it wasn't a joke or anything other than mocking.
But yes, he freely admitted that his mockery at the event was past the line. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
nomlet
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:42:00 -
[4107] - Quote
It would seem that Mittani didnt mean the apology.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=997031#post997031
When confronted about the incident after it occurred his response was "deal with it". |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
335
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:42:00 -
[4108] - Quote
Temulkar Blaine wrote:What I want to know is this,
How long after Alexander resigns will a ****** Downfall video be posted?
maybe it could be followed up with some funny pictures of cats and rampant misuse of the word "fail". Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
152
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:42:00 -
[4109] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:The Wis wrote:This was never anything over the game. I was having fun with the guys and it did not hurt my in game wallet. I am sorry that after talking to them I told them more then I should. None of this is over the game itself. I am 47 and try not to let game things bother me. It is hard to do sometimes But it happens. So I vented my frustration to him fine. Done.. But to make it public. Ok that I guess only hurts me.. But to call out my name and encourge people to go after me.. Well that is different. The mail I sent him I had allot of double enduwindows for him to get a laugh out of. LIke I will go play with myself. that was ment for a laugh on his part. The moral crusaders are outraged. The Goons and their dicklickers are being asshats. But it seems nobody has bothered to ask a simple question here. What do you want? Edit: Seems Arkady did. Good.
You can ask him what he wants but the answer wont make any difference it's CCP that has to sort out this mess. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
82
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:43:00 -
[4110] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:*kicks back and waits for the CSM decision*
Are you feeling a little pucker in your seat goons? If so, that's your *** working as intended.
No pucker, cause my anus is spread wide open by my dear leader. |
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
306
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:43:00 -
[4111] - Quote
Alexander Taos wrote:Voull wrote:Wis should press charges and force Mittani into rehabilitation, that would be the most epic troll ever In what Jurisdiction?
It's doubtful he has a criminal case here. However, he does have a decent civil case that can be filed in the US. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:43:00 -
[4112] - Quote
Alexander Taos wrote:Voull wrote:Wis should press charges and force Mittani into rehabilitation, that would be the most epic troll ever In what Jurisdiction?
Technically, there's enough material to just go Patriot Act on Mittani and hold him indefinitely without trial |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:43:00 -
[4113] - Quote
some alt didnt bother to read the op |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
465
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:43:00 -
[4114] - Quote
Alexander Taos wrote:Voull wrote:Wis should press charges and force Mittani into rehabilitation, that would be the most epic troll ever In what Jurisdiction?
Subject to all USA laws abroad.
there are federal cyber bullying laws.
Just saying. |
Alexander Taos
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:44:00 -
[4115] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:*kicks back and waits for the CSM decision*
Are you feeling a little pucker in your seat goons? If so, that's your *** working as intended. From what I've seen of them off and on over the years, I don't think the leadership will change the goons as a whole. Every MMO I've seen them in, they act the same. Different leaders, same MO. They will go on without the mitanni if something were to happen to him. I mean, it is probably a given that the most that will happen is that he won't be on the CSM. They wouldn't ban his accounts. Who knows, maybe his wife will give him enough bullshit that he quits on his own and turns over the ownership of the goons to someone else who will just do the same thing.
I don't see the goons being hurt at all, or this creating some mass exodus from the game. |
Volster
Diabolus Ex Machina
7
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:44:00 -
[4116] - Quote
Voull wrote:Alexander Taos wrote:Voull wrote:Wis should press charges and force Mittani into rehabilitation, that would be the most epic troll ever In what Jurisdiction? Technically, there's enough material to just go Patriot Act on Mittani and hold him indefinitely without trial
.... land of the free indeed |
Nefertari IX
Zen Monkies
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:52:00 -
[4117] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
The internet is not America. Sorry to break it to you.
Al Gore invented the Internet.
Al Gore ia an American
Therefore the Internet is America. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
26
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:53:00 -
[4118] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Alexander Taos wrote:Princess Bride wrote:*kicks back and waits for the CSM decision*
Are you feeling a little pucker in your seat goons? If so, that's your *** working as intended. From what I've seen of them off and on over the years, I don't think the leadership will change the goons as a whole. Every MMO I've seen them in, they act the same. Different leaders, same MO. They will go on without the mitanni if something were to happen to him. I mean, it is probably a given that the most that will happen is that he won't be on the CSM. They wouldn't ban his accounts. Who knows, maybe his wife will give him enough bullshit that he quits on his own and turns over the ownership of the goons to someone else who will just do the same thing. I don't see the goons being hurt at all, or this creating some mass exodus from the game. I agree, the goons will go on, but they won't be happy if he's removed from the CSM. Unhappy goons best goons.
Eve pilots aren't here to ruin the game, they just want to ruin Goons game
Tal
Hides |
The Wis
Fise Corp War and Pestilence
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:53:00 -
[4119] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Jeez ain't you guys bored yet.
Tal
Wait you are asking people that have fun spinning ships in a station to watch to counter if they are board yet? Hmmm..
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
311
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:53:00 -
[4120] - Quote
Alexander Taos wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Alexander Taos wrote:Princess Bride wrote:*kicks back and waits for the CSM decision*
Are you feeling a little pucker in your seat goons? If so, that's your *** working as intended. From what I've seen of them off and on over the years, I don't think the leadership will change the goons as a whole. Every MMO I've seen them in, they act the same. Different leaders, same MO. They will go on without the mitanni if something were to happen to him. I mean, it is probably a given that the most that will happen is that he won't be on the CSM. They wouldn't ban his accounts. Who knows, maybe his wife will give him enough bullshit that he quits on his own and turns over the ownership of the goons to someone else who will just do the same thing. I don't see the goons being hurt at all, or this creating some mass exodus from the game. I agree, the goons will go on, but they won't be happy if he's removed from the CSM. Unhappy goons best goons. When csm8 comes around, they will just nominate someone else, and here we are again. Isn't there a second person on the group that is part of their alliance. If that's the case, what would they lose?
Face. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1365
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:54:00 -
[4121] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:I too get internet-offended over a drunken joke. Jesus, the political-correctness level in this thread is soul-crushing. HTFU -- CCP according to Alex (the RL guy) it wasnt a joke and hes fully aware that he has done something horrible get your facts first before posting ... Erm, the "something horrible" he apologizes for was mocking the miner at a live event and giving out his character name. He never claimed to have serious intent behind it. He at no point said that it wasn't a joke or anything other than mocking. But yes, he freely admitted that his mockery at the event was past the line. his words not mine ... This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible
Yes, and read further where he explains what he did wrong that went over the line.
Care to quote the part that states he did anything other than mock Wis and give out his characters name. He acknowledges that this mockery at a live event was waaay over the line.
Thats it. There was no "according to Alex (the RL guy) it wasnt a joke" involved, you simply made that part up. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ai Shun
447
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 20:54:00 -
[4122] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:You can ask him what he wants but the answer wont make any difference it's CCP that has to sort out this mess.
To a point. I said earlier I believe this issue is between CCP, the Mittani and The Wis. The Mittani is a ****, no arguments there. His Goon pets without any behavioural inhibitions are doing a fantastic impersonation of showing us how little humanity they have. I don't think the Mittani will command the same respect as he had before, but that is a personal opinion.
The Wis has conflicting stories, accept an apology and massive ISK donation and still seems put out. It's hard to understand what is going on in his head, hard to understand why. And not really my place or anyone else's place to try and use him as a sockpuppet against the Mittani.
But, if he spoke out and told CCP and the Mittani what he wants - maybe that will help with a resolution. For example, he might say he does not want the Mittani to resign and that he accepts the apology. He might say he wants a Fanfest style broadcast apology. He might want a new character with the same skillpoints and stuff to escape all this attention.
And what he wants out of it should be the end of it.
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Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 20:54:00 -
[4123] - Quote
The Wis wrote:Talon SilverHawk wrote:Jeez ain't you guys bored yet.
Tal
Wait you are asking people that have fun spinning ships in a station to watch to counter if they are board yet? Hmmm..
Yeah sorry
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Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:05:00 -
[4124] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:It is however cute that slot of people are convinced that we will all quit or something drastic when this probably happens.
The only reason this came about was because it was implied by your corpmates |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:09:00 -
[4125] - Quote
Voull wrote:Ice Fist wrote:It is however cute that slot of people are convinced that we will all quit or something drastic when this probably happens.
The only reason this came about was because it was implied by your corpmates
Hahahahahaha. You got trolled hard son. |
Krzdr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:10:00 -
[4126] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:And you took this seriously why? 200+ pages of people not understanding a joke was a joke You mean 200 pages to push up our EVE-O post count.
Vote for The Mittani http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=438 |
Prince Kobol
433
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:10:00 -
[4127] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:This thread is going on too long. Not like Roadhouse, sometimes I think there wasn't enough "Roadhouse" in Roadhouse, but then, I wonder, can we ever have enough?
There was always the squeal Roadhouse 2 - Last Call |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:12:00 -
[4128] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88008
There, i think we all should chill now.
Quoting because this damn thread moves to fast for people to see any responses at this point. |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
20
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 21:12:00 -
[4129] - Quote
Steamgrind Meatroller wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Apparently Alex is mocking the whole situation on goon jabber ping or something earlier. Anyone have the details? Yes here are some details: (2:03:30 PM) The Mittani: Everyone is a butt in that thread, but mostly Marlona Sky.
Too bad he is entirelly correct on the subject. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:12:00 -
[4130] - Quote
Krzdr wrote:baltec1 wrote:And you took this seriously why? 200+ pages of people not understanding a joke was a joke You mean 200 pages to push up our EVE-O post count. And like count. I think Im 80 likes up from these two threadnaughts, trebling my like count ftw. My e-peen is fully stoked now. |
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Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:13:00 -
[4131] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88008
There, i think we all should chill now. Quoting because this damn thread moves to fast for people to see any responses at this point. Also quoting so the next page of spam can see what has happened. |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:14:00 -
[4132] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Krzdr wrote:baltec1 wrote:And you took this seriously why? 200+ pages of people not understanding a joke was a joke You mean 200 pages to push up our EVE-O post count. And like count. I think Im 80 likes up from these two threadnaughts, trebling my like count ftw. My e-peen is fully stoked now.
Pfft, I got almost 100 likes. Your e-peen is a joke. |
baltec1
929
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:14:00 -
[4133] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:
Somebody was arrested, charged and found guilty only a couple of days ago in the UK because of a Tweet.
So yes people can be arrested and found guilty for tasteless remarks on the internet.
Racism has no place in the world and it is only right that happened. |
baltec1
932
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:15:00 -
[4134] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Krzdr wrote:baltec1 wrote:And you took this seriously why? 200+ pages of people not understanding a joke was a joke You mean 200 pages to push up our EVE-O post count. And like count. I think Im 80 likes up from these two threadnaughts, trebling my like count ftw. My e-peen is fully stoked now. Pfft, I got almost 100 likes. Your e-peen is a joke.
bah, Im likely to break the 1000 mark if this keeps up. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1367
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:15:00 -
[4135] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Boz Wel wrote:If tasteless jokes about people gave rise to civil lawsuits as easy as the Internet Matlocks here claim, you'd see a lot more well-behaved people online. I can't count how many "die in a fire" comments and other remarks I've seen and read on the Internet, statements which are much more violent than Mittens' comment. If you think that merely uttering a statement that wishes harm upon someone gives rise to civil liability, you need to go back to Internet Lawschool. Any in-depth study of the laws you're alluding to would let you know that the burden of proof for IIED and other torts is quite high.
Let's not forget that it was Wis's mail that opened the door to "suicide" comments in the first place. Mittens comment was simply going along with the content of the mail he received from Mackinawbot. Had that mail message said suicideganking made him vote for Ron Paul, then Mittens may have simply said "Incidentally, if you want Ron Paul to win..." I'm not saying the comments weren't tasteless, but give me a break. This is not grounds for a lawsuit, at least not one that's going anywhere. Somebody was arrested, charged and found guilty only a couple of days ago in the UK because of a Tweet. So yes people can be arrested and found guilty for tasteless remarks on the internet.
Prince, that's actually fairly disturbing.
How much of a stretch is it to realize that either you or I could lose our temper some day and say something hurtful on a forum/tweet/facebook page.
I wonder how many catty remarks our teenage daughters and sons have made online in an arguement with someone.
Cyber Bullying, an organized and relentless attempt to harrass someone online is one thing. A single tweet is something else entirely.
Must have been a dozy. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Prince Kobol
433
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:16:00 -
[4136] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Somebody was arrested, charged and found guilty only a couple of days ago in the UK because of a Tweet.
So yes people can be arrested and found guilty for tasteless remarks on the internet.
Racism has no place in the world and it is only right that happened.
100% agree, shame some goons don't |
Boz Wel
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:16:00 -
[4137] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Boz Wel wrote:If tasteless jokes about people gave rise to civil lawsuits as easy as the Internet Matlocks here claim, you'd see a lot more well-behaved people online. I can't count how many "die in a fire" comments and other remarks I've seen and read on the Internet, statements which are much more violent than Mittens' comment. If you think that merely uttering a statement that wishes harm upon someone gives rise to civil liability, you need to go back to Internet Lawschool. Any in-depth study of the laws you're alluding to would let you know that the burden of proof for IIED and other torts is quite high.
Let's not forget that it was Wis's mail that opened the door to "suicide" comments in the first place. Mittens comment was simply going along with the content of the mail he received from Mackinawbot. Had that mail message said suicideganking made him vote for Ron Paul, then Mittens may have simply said "Incidentally, if you want Ron Paul to win..." I'm not saying the comments weren't tasteless, but give me a break. This is not grounds for a lawsuit, at least not one that's going anywhere. Somebody was arrested, charged and found guilty only a couple of days ago in the UK because of a Tweet. So yes people can be arrested and found guilty for tasteless remarks on the internet.
Good job Internet Matlock. Obviously, a strict liability terrorism case where someone tweeted a bomb threat is relevant to a potential claim of IIED. Not to mention, Mittens' comment wasn't even made on the Internet. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:17:00 -
[4138] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Krzdr wrote:baltec1 wrote:And you took this seriously why? 200+ pages of people not understanding a joke was a joke You mean 200 pages to push up our EVE-O post count. And like count. I think Im 80 likes up from these two threadnaughts, trebling my like count ftw. My e-peen is fully stoked now. Pfft, I got almost 100 likes. Your e-peen is a joke. Biatch please, 130 likes. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:17:00 -
[4139] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Somebody was arrested, charged and found guilty only a couple of days ago in the UK because of a Tweet.
So yes people can be arrested and found guilty for tasteless remarks on the internet.
Racism has no place in the world and it is only right that happened. 100% agree, shame some goons don't
Nerd is not a race. |
baltec1
932
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:19:00 -
[4140] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:100% agree, shame some goons don't
I have yet to see a goon go racist on someone other than minmatar players. |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1367
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:19:00 -
[4141] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Somebody was arrested, charged and found guilty only a couple of days ago in the UK because of a Tweet.
So yes people can be arrested and found guilty for tasteless remarks on the internet.
Racism has no place in the world and it is only right that happened. 100% agree, shame some goons don't
I try to respect other peoples point of view, even if that point of view is racist they have a right to express it as long as they don't harm others or break any laws.
However, by the same token, I have every right to make them look like an idiot for it.
Unless, of course, I get sued for cyber bullying because I hurt his feelings. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:20:00 -
[4142] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Ice Fist wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Krzdr wrote:baltec1 wrote:And you took this seriously why? 200+ pages of people not understanding a joke was a joke You mean 200 pages to push up our EVE-O post count. And like count. I think Im 80 likes up from these two threadnaughts, trebling my like count ftw. My e-peen is fully stoked now. Pfft, I got almost 100 likes. Your e-peen is a joke. Biatch please, 130 likes. Who really cares about likes? Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
146
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:20:00 -
[4143] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Sidus Sarmiang wrote:This thread is going on too long. Not like Roadhouse, sometimes I think there wasn't enough "Roadhouse" in Roadhouse, but then, I wonder, can we ever have enough? There was always the squeal Roadhouse 2 - Last Call
It's just not the same. |
Ai Shun
449
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:21:00 -
[4144] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Prince, that's actually fairly disturbing.
How much of a stretch is it to realize that either you or I could lose our temper some day and say something hurtful on a forum/tweet/facebook page.
I wonder how many catty remarks our teenage daughters and sons have made online in an arguement with someone.
Cyber Bullying, an organized and relentless attempt to harrass someone online is one thing. A single tweet is something else entirely.
Must have been a dozy.
A football player collapsed during a game. Some 21 year old kid without the basic social inhibitors posted a series of tweets that seem remarkably familiar looking over this thread. (Apologies, the link that came in from my regular feed for the tweets was from Huffington Post) I believe he was given a jail sentence of 21 days. |
Prince Kobol
433
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:21:00 -
[4145] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Boz Wel wrote:If tasteless jokes about people gave rise to civil lawsuits as easy as the Internet Matlocks here claim, you'd see a lot more well-behaved people online. I can't count how many "die in a fire" comments and other remarks I've seen and read on the Internet, statements which are much more violent than Mittens' comment. If you think that merely uttering a statement that wishes harm upon someone gives rise to civil liability, you need to go back to Internet Lawschool. Any in-depth study of the laws you're alluding to would let you know that the burden of proof for IIED and other torts is quite high.
Let's not forget that it was Wis's mail that opened the door to "suicide" comments in the first place. Mittens comment was simply going along with the content of the mail he received from Mackinawbot. Had that mail message said suicideganking made him vote for Ron Paul, then Mittens may have simply said "Incidentally, if you want Ron Paul to win..." I'm not saying the comments weren't tasteless, but give me a break. This is not grounds for a lawsuit, at least not one that's going anywhere. Somebody was arrested, charged and found guilty only a couple of days ago in the UK because of a Tweet. So yes people can be arrested and found guilty for tasteless remarks on the internet. Prince, that's actually fairly disturbing. How much of a stretch is it to realize that either you or I could lose our temper some day and say something hurtful on a forum/tweet/facebook page. I wonder how many catty remarks our teenage daughters and sons have made online in an arguement with someone. Cyber Bullying, an organized and relentless attempt to harrass someone online is one thing. A single tweet is something else entirely. Must have been a dozy.
It was a racist Tweet aimed at Footballer who had just collapsed on the field. I have no sympathy with guy and he deserved everything he got.
However you also have the case of 2 guys who posted messages on Facebook inciting other people to riot during the London riots and they were jailed for 4 years each.
They ask for people to turn up a pre-arranged meeting point outside a McDonalds in which nobody did, including them.
The next day they both apologised and deleted the messages however they were still arrested and sentenced for 4 years. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
39
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:22:00 -
[4146] - Quote
Boz Wel wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Boz Wel wrote:If tasteless jokes about people gave rise to civil lawsuits as easy as the Internet Matlocks here claim, you'd see a lot more well-behaved people online. I can't count how many "die in a fire" comments and other remarks I've seen and read on the Internet, statements which are much more violent than Mittens' comment. If you think that merely uttering a statement that wishes harm upon someone gives rise to civil liability, you need to go back to Internet Lawschool. Any in-depth study of the laws you're alluding to would let you know that the burden of proof for IIED and other torts is quite high.
Let's not forget that it was Wis's mail that opened the door to "suicide" comments in the first place. Mittens comment was simply going along with the content of the mail he received from Mackinawbot. Had that mail message said suicideganking made him vote for Ron Paul, then Mittens may have simply said "Incidentally, if you want Ron Paul to win..." I'm not saying the comments weren't tasteless, but give me a break. This is not grounds for a lawsuit, at least not one that's going anywhere. Somebody was arrested, charged and found guilty only a couple of days ago in the UK because of a Tweet. So yes people can be arrested and found guilty for tasteless remarks on the internet. Good job Internet Matlock. Obviously, a strict liability terrorism case where someone tweeted a bomb threat is relevant to a potential claim of IIED. Not to mention, Mittens' comment wasn't even made on the Internet.
Firstly I think you should read about the case before making yourself look silly. The guy went down for six months and deservedly so, cyberbullying is very high profile in the uk at the moment.
Secondly, he made the comments during a live stream from fanfest on the internet. |
baltec1
932
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:22:00 -
[4147] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: Who really cares about likes?
You will once you get close to 1000. Its a nice round number. |
Prince Kobol
433
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:22:00 -
[4148] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Prince, that's actually fairly disturbing.
How much of a stretch is it to realize that either you or I could lose our temper some day and say something hurtful on a forum/tweet/facebook page.
I wonder how many catty remarks our teenage daughters and sons have made online in an arguement with someone.
Cyber Bullying, an organized and relentless attempt to harrass someone online is one thing. A single tweet is something else entirely.
Must have been a dozy. A football player collapsed during a game. Some 21 year old kid without the basic social inhibitors posted a series of tweets that seem remarkably familiar looking over this thread. (Apologies, the link that came in from my regular feed for the tweets was from Huffington Post) I believe he was given a jail sentence of 21 days.
56 days. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:24:00 -
[4149] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote: Who really cares about likes?
You are just smug at the 4 like lead you have over me. Dont deny it. |
Prince Kobol
433
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:24:00 -
[4150] - Quote
Boz Wel wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Boz Wel wrote:If tasteless jokes about people gave rise to civil lawsuits as easy as the Internet Matlocks here claim, you'd see a lot more well-behaved people online. I can't count how many "die in a fire" comments and other remarks I've seen and read on the Internet, statements which are much more violent than Mittens' comment. If you think that merely uttering a statement that wishes harm upon someone gives rise to civil liability, you need to go back to Internet Lawschool. Any in-depth study of the laws you're alluding to would let you know that the burden of proof for IIED and other torts is quite high.
Let's not forget that it was Wis's mail that opened the door to "suicide" comments in the first place. Mittens comment was simply going along with the content of the mail he received from Mackinawbot. Had that mail message said suicideganking made him vote for Ron Paul, then Mittens may have simply said "Incidentally, if you want Ron Paul to win..." I'm not saying the comments weren't tasteless, but give me a break. This is not grounds for a lawsuit, at least not one that's going anywhere. Somebody was arrested, charged and found guilty only a couple of days ago in the UK because of a Tweet. So yes people can be arrested and found guilty for tasteless remarks on the internet. Good job Internet Matlock. Obviously, a strict liability terrorism case where someone tweeted a bomb threat is relevant to a potential claim of IIED. Not to mention, Mittens' comment wasn't even made on the Internet.
Well done for making yourself look like an idiot
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Lilyanne Johnson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:25:00 -
[4151] - Quote
to all you people who laugh and love what your fearless leader said while he was drunk off his ass and say it's okay because he was drunk when he said then you're all saying it's okay when one of you is drunk off their butts in real life and gets in a car and plow into innocent civilians and kill them because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. or better yet, it's okay for someone else to be drunk and do it to one of your loved ones then, too That's what you're all saying by laughing at your leader because he was drunk, whether it was fanfest and eve is just a game, it's okay for him to do that. BULLSHET!!! you all need to wake up and smell the ugly roses because that's what you're agreeing to basically I don't want to hear or smell any of your snide remarks, game or not, he had no right to say that and giving him 10 billion isk for destroying his fleet of mackinaws is a suckup and begging for forgiveness. how many people have you goonies scammed out of their hard earned isk and I don't give a damn real money or not, game or not? that person worked for it and you robbed them of it By the way, alcohol brings out the true side of a person, so if you act like this when you're drunk, then you're that way in real life you scam and rob people blind in game, you do it in real life to someone else. nice people don't become scumbags and lowlifes in a game if they're not in it real life. so you want to make it up mittens? have your people pay back all the people you scammed through the years and give them interest, too. give them back their isk and ships they paid for and you never gave to them then go meet them in null sec and fight like a real warrior and beat them at their game and to all the members who were on stage with mittens also drunk off their asses, your justice is coming later. long live PL/Raiden/NCDOT
btw, I am a main because I don't care for the trash in CFC especially mittens buddies on stage, eh, Mikey Bolton and DNS Black? lmao. Have another jaigerbomb on me, Black and I hope Detroit doesn't gain another 25% unemployment. all you drunk clowns on stage will get your justice in REAL LIFE for laughing at mittens comments. I'll put up with your spy alts you have in my DCM corp. and I'm not mad bro, but you're gfs and wives are suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Prince Kobol
436
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:27:00 -
[4152] - Quote
Lilyanne Johnson wrote:to all you people who laugh and love what your fearless leader said while he was drunk off his ass and say it's okay because he was drunk when he said then you're all saying it's okay when one of you is drunk off their butts in real life and gets in a car and plow into innocent civilians and kill them because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. or better yet, it's okay for someone else to be drunk and do it to one of your loved ones then, too That's what you're all saying by laughing at your leader because he was drunk, whether it was fanfest and eve is just a game, it's okay for him to do that. BULLSHET!!! you all need to wake up and smell the ugly roses because that's what you're agreeing to basically I don't want to hear or smell any of your snide remarks, game or not, he had no right to say that and giving him 10 billion isk for destroying his fleet of mackinaws is a suckup and begging for forgiveness. how many people have you goonies scammed out of their hard earned isk and I don't give a damn real money or not, game or not? that person worked for it and you robbed them of it By the way, alcohol brings out the true side of a person, so if you act like this when you're drunk, then you're that way in real life you scam and rob people blind in game, you do it in real life to someone else. nice people don't become scumbags and lowlifes in a game if they're not in it real life. so you want to make it up mittens? have your people pay back all the people you scammed through the years and give them interest, too. give them back their isk and ships they paid for and you never gave to them then go meet them in null sec and fight like a real warrior and beat them at their game and to all the members who were on stage with mittens also drunk off their asses, your justice is coming later. long live PL/Raiden/NCDOT btw, I am a main because I don't care for the trash in CFC especially mittens buddies on stage, eh, Mikey Bolton and DNS Black? lmao. Have another jaigerbomb on me, Black and I hope Detroit doesn't gain another 25% unemployment. all you drunk clowns on stage will get your justice in REAL LIFE for laughing at mittens comments. I'll put up with your spy alts you have in my DCM corp. and I'm not mad bro, but you're gfs and wives are suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please never post again.
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Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:27:00 -
[4153] - Quote
Lilyanne Johnson wrote:to all you people who laugh and love what your fearless leader said while he was drunk off his ass and say it's okay because he was drunk when he said then you're all saying it's okay when one of you is drunk off their butts in real life and gets in a car and plow into innocent civilians and kill them because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. or better yet, it's okay for someone else to be drunk and do it to one of your loved ones then, too That's what you're all saying by laughing at your leader because he was drunk, whether it was fanfest and eve is just a game, it's okay for him to do that. BULLSHET!!! you all need to wake up and smell the ugly roses because that's what you're agreeing to basically I don't want to hear or smell any of your snide remarks, game or not, he had no right to say that and giving him 10 billion isk for destroying his fleet of mackinaws is a suckup and begging for forgiveness. how many people have you goonies scammed out of their hard earned isk and I don't give a damn real money or not, game or not? that person worked for it and you robbed them of it By the way, alcohol brings out the true side of a person, so if you act like this when you're drunk, then you're that way in real life you scam and rob people blind in game, you do it in real life to someone else. nice people don't become scumbags and lowlifes in a game if they're not in it real life. so you want to make it up mittens? have your people pay back all the people you scammed through the years and give them interest, too. give them back their isk and ships they paid for and you never gave to them then go meet them in null sec and fight like a real warrior and beat them at their game and to all the members who were on stage with mittens also drunk off their asses, your justice is coming later. long live PL/Raiden/NCDOT btw, I am a main because I don't care for the trash in CFC especially mittens buddies on stage, eh, Mikey Bolton and DNS Black? lmao. Have another jaigerbomb on me, Black and I hope Detroit doesn't gain another 25% unemployment. all you drunk clowns on stage will get your justice in REAL LIFE for laughing at mittens comments. I'll put up with your spy alts you have in my DCM corp. and I'm not mad bro, but you're gfs and wives are suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You sound pretty mad. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
DelightSucker
Perkone Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:28:00 -
[4154] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88008
There, i think we all should chill now.
Despite hes effort to chill ppl whit this, its not enough. he have caused to much damage already to eve and CCP from hes action and he should resign completely and not just as Chair.
This is a weak move and means nothing if he stays on the CSM and if CCP allow him they show there true color, and its not pretty.
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baltec1
933
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:28:00 -
[4155] - Quote
Lilyanne Johnson wrote:to all you people who laugh and love what your fearless leader said while he was drunk off his ass and say it's okay because he was drunk when he said then you're all saying it's okay when one of you is drunk off their butts in real life and gets in a car and plow into innocent civilians and kill them because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Ok the level of stupid just hit republican levels. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1368
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:29:00 -
[4156] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Prince, that's actually fairly disturbing.
How much of a stretch is it to realize that either you or I could lose our temper some day and say something hurtful on a forum/tweet/facebook page.
I wonder how many catty remarks our teenage daughters and sons have made online in an arguement with someone.
Cyber Bullying, an organized and relentless attempt to harrass someone online is one thing. A single tweet is something else entirely.
Must have been a dozy. A football player collapsed during a game. Some 21 year old kid without the basic social inhibitors posted a series of tweets that seem remarkably familiar looking over this thread. (Apologies, the link that came in from my regular feed for the tweets was from Huffington Post) I believe he was given a jail sentence of 21 days. 56 days.
Inciting a riot, yeah I can see that one.
Making racist comments, I honestly didn't think that was illegal anywhere... although I realize freedom of speech is not a universal constant. If someone is stupid enough to make public their lack of intelligence by voicing such rubbish, so be it. They should be prepared for the social backlash... but it being against the law to express your point of view (no matter how uneducated) is a bit much.
Then again, I didin't see the tweets so perhaps there is something more directly damaging involved I am unaware of.
At least I hope so.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
135
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:29:00 -
[4157] - Quote
Lilyanne Johnson wrote:Wall of Test Have you heard of punctuation, or paragraph structure? |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:30:00 -
[4158] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
Inciting a riot, yeah I can see that one.
Making racist comments, I honestly didn't think that was illegal anywhere... although I realize freedom of speech is not a universal constant. If someone is stupid enough to make public their lack of intelligence by voicing such rubbish, so be it. They should be prepared for the social backlash... but it being against the law to express your point of view (no matter how uneducated) is a bit much.
Then again, I didin't see the tweets so perhaps there is something more directly damaging involved I am unaware of.
At least I hope so.
Freedom of speech allows you to say what you pretty much want, it doesn't relieve you though of responsibilities over what you said, 2 different things. |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
135
|
Posted - 2012.03.28 21:31:00 -
[4159] - Quote
DelightSucker wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88008
There, i think we all should chill now. Despite hes effort to chill ppl whit this, its not enough. he have caused to much damage already to eve and CCP from hes action and he should resign completely and not just as Chair. This is a weak move and means nothing if he stays on the CSM and if CCP allow him they show there true color, and its not pretty. Yes, because obviously CCP should listen to two dozen forum warriors more than the 10k people who voted for mittens. |
Steamgrind Meatroller
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:33:00 -
[4160] - Quote
Lilyanne Johnson wrote:to all you people who laugh and love what your fearless leader said while he was drunk off his ass and say it's okay because he was drunk when he said then you're all saying it's okay when one of you is drunk off their butts in real life and gets in a car and plow into innocent civilians and kill them because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. or better yet, it's okay for someone else to be drunk and do it to one of your loved ones then, too That's what you're all saying by laughing at your leader because he was drunk, whether it was fanfest and eve is just a game, it's okay for him to do that. BULLSHET!!! you all need to wake up and smell the ugly roses because that's what you're agreeing to basically I don't want to hear or smell any of your snide remarks, game or not, he had no right to say that and giving him 10 billion isk for destroying his fleet of mackinaws is a suckup and begging for forgiveness. how many people have you goonies scammed out of their hard earned isk and I don't give a damn real money or not, game or not? that person worked for it and you robbed them of it By the way, alcohol brings out the true side of a person, so if you act like this when you're drunk, then you're that way in real life you scam and rob people blind in game, you do it in real life to someone else. nice people don't become scumbags and lowlifes in a game if they're not in it real life. so you want to make it up mittens? have your people pay back all the people you scammed through the years and give them interest, too. give them back their isk and ships they paid for and you never gave to them then go meet them in null sec and fight like a real warrior and beat them at their game and to all the members who were on stage with mittens also drunk off their asses, your justice is coming later. long live PL/Raiden/NCDOT btw, I am a main because I don't care for the trash in CFC especially mittens buddies on stage, eh, Mikey Bolton and DNS Black? lmao. Have another jaigerbomb on me, Black and I hope Detroit doesn't gain another 25% unemployment. all you drunk clowns on stage will get your justice in REAL LIFE for laughing at mittens comments. I'll put up with your spy alts you have in my DCM corp. and I'm not mad bro, but you're gfs and wives are suckers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Confirming that it's okay. |
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Ai Shun
449
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:33:00 -
[4161] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Inciting a riot, yeah I can see that one.
Making racist comments, I honestly didn't think that was illegal anywhere... although I realize freedom of speech is not a universal constant. If someone is stupid enough to make public their lack of intelligence by voicing such rubbish, so be it. They should be prepared for the social backlash... but it being against the law to express your point of view (no matter how uneducated) is a bit much.
Then again, I didin't see the tweets so perhaps there is something more directly damaging involved I am unaware of.
At least I hope so.
I am not from the United States, so I may be wrong here. But is the Freedom of Speech enshrined in the constitution not there to protect people who criticise the government? It should have no bearing on the rubbish people sprout; that is up to society.
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OfBalance
Caldari State
305
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:33:00 -
[4162] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Lilyanne Johnson wrote:to all you people who laugh and love what your fearless leader said while he was drunk off his ass and say it's okay because he was drunk when he said then you're all saying it's okay when one of you is drunk off their butts in real life and gets in a car and plow into innocent civilians and kill them because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Ok the level of stupid just hit republican levels.
STOP TWISTING HER WORDS, THAT IS BULLSHIT!
~santorum~ |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:34:00 -
[4163] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: Who really cares about likes?
You are just smug at the 4 like lead you have over me. Dont deny it. OK. I won't. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:40:00 -
[4164] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Inciting a riot, yeah I can see that one.
Making racist comments, I honestly didn't think that was illegal anywhere... although I realize freedom of speech is not a universal constant. If someone is stupid enough to make public their lack of intelligence by voicing such rubbish, so be it. They should be prepared for the social backlash... but it being against the law to express your point of view (no matter how uneducated) is a bit much.
Then again, I didin't see the tweets so perhaps there is something more directly damaging involved I am unaware of.
At least I hope so.
He twited "LOL , **** Muamba. HeGÇÖs dead!!! #haha" he then responded to various people who tweeted back in disgust with some pretty vile stuff. Again, he was also blind drunk at the time he was tweeting. Also he was reported to the police by one of the people who had responded to his tweet. He was charged and found guilty of a racially-aggravated public order offence to incite violence and will spend up to 56 days behind bars And this was at a time where Muamba's heart was not beating. (might have been shortly after they got it started again, but while he was still being kept alive by a machine. Either way, despicable, far, far worse than what Mittens is being accused of. |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:40:00 -
[4165] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:JTK Fotheringham wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
How much of a stretch is it to realize that either you or I could lose our temper some day and say something hurtful on a forum/tweet/facebook page.
Cyber Bullying, an organized and relentless attempt to harrass someone online is one thing. A single tweet is something else entirely.
Must have been a dozy.
It was a series of Tweets, all racially motivated, about a footballer who collapsed of heart failure during a premier league football match. Really sad. What Alex did at Fanfest isn't in the same league - you see what I did there? To be honest, it wasn't a sustained bullying attack. The problem isn't just what he said (effectively the same or worse has been said in these two threadnaughts of ours!), it's where he said it, and who he is saying it. It's a PR problem, not an EULA problem. That's why the outcome will not be a ban from the game, but likely a removal (either by resignation, a CSM vote if that's even within their powers or some CCP action to bar him). He's already said he is resigning in jita's speaker corner. Check it.
I am highly disappointed. I WANT an uncensored roustabout on the CSM. His job is to tell it like it is, and I have no trouble thinking Mittens would speak his mind when given the chance. I dont want the CSM to be politicians. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1370
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:40:00 -
[4166] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Inciting a riot, yeah I can see that one.
Making racist comments, I honestly didn't think that was illegal anywhere... although I realize freedom of speech is not a universal constant. If someone is stupid enough to make public their lack of intelligence by voicing such rubbish, so be it. They should be prepared for the social backlash... but it being against the law to express your point of view (no matter how uneducated) is a bit much.
Then again, I didin't see the tweets so perhaps there is something more directly damaging involved I am unaware of.
At least I hope so.
He twited "LOL , **** Muamba. HeGÇÖs dead!!! #haha" he then responded to various people who tweeted back in disgust with some pretty vile stuff. Again, he was also blind drunk at the time he was tweeting. Also he was reported to the police by one of the people who had responded to his tweet. He was charged and found guilty of a racially-aggravated public order offence to incite violence and will spend up to 56 days behind bars
Ah, so it was more of a "inciting a riot thing" prompting the charges than anything else. Okay, that makes a lot more sense.
I figured there was more to it than that.
Thanks.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:41:00 -
[4167] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:DelightSucker wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88008
There, i think we all should chill now. Despite hes effort to chill ppl whit this, its not enough. he have caused to much damage already to eve and CCP from hes action and he should resign completely and not just as Chair. This is a weak move and means nothing if he stays on the CSM and if CCP allow him they show there true color, and its not pretty. Yes, because obviously CCP should listen to two dozen forum warriors more than the 10k people who voted for mittens. Maybe the answer is to disband the CSM, at least that way we should not end up with this shame again.
That is just about the worst idea I've heard in a long time. I do hope you're not being serious. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1370
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:41:00 -
[4168] - Quote
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Inciting a riot, yeah I can see that one.
Making racist comments, I honestly didn't think that was illegal anywhere... although I realize freedom of speech is not a universal constant. If someone is stupid enough to make public their lack of intelligence by voicing such rubbish, so be it. They should be prepared for the social backlash... but it being against the law to express your point of view (no matter how uneducated) is a bit much.
Then again, I didin't see the tweets so perhaps there is something more directly damaging involved I am unaware of.
At least I hope so.
He twited "LOL , **** Muamba. HeGÇÖs dead!!! #haha" he then responded to various people who tweeted back in disgust with some pretty vile stuff. Again, he was also blind drunk at the time he was tweeting. Also he was reported to the police by one of the people who had responded to his tweet. He was charged and found guilty of a racially-aggravated public order offence to incite violence and will spend up to 56 days behind bars And this was at a time where Muamba's heart was not beating. (might have been shortly after they got it started again, but while he was still being kept alive by a machine. Either way, despicable, far, far worse than what Mittens is being accused of.
I completely agree. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:42:00 -
[4169] - Quote
Too little too late. Call of your dogs so my posts don't get insta locked. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1370
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:42:00 -
[4170] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:JTK Fotheringham wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
How much of a stretch is it to realize that either you or I could lose our temper some day and say something hurtful on a forum/tweet/facebook page.
Cyber Bullying, an organized and relentless attempt to harrass someone online is one thing. A single tweet is something else entirely.
Must have been a dozy.
It was a series of Tweets, all racially motivated, about a footballer who collapsed of heart failure during a premier league football match. Really sad. What Alex did at Fanfest isn't in the same league - you see what I did there? To be honest, it wasn't a sustained bullying attack. The problem isn't just what he said (effectively the same or worse has been said in these two threadnaughts of ours!), it's where he said it, and who he is saying it. It's a PR problem, not an EULA problem. That's why the outcome will not be a ban from the game, but likely a removal (either by resignation, a CSM vote if that's even within their powers or some CCP action to bar him). He's already said he is resigning in jita's speaker corner. Check it. I am highly disappointed. I WANT an uncensored roustabout on the CSM. His job is to tell it like it is, and I have no trouble thinking Mittens would speak his mind when given the chance. I dont want the CSM to be politicians.
Unless something else happens, he'll still be there. Just not a chairman. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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Lilyanne Johnson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:42:00 -
[4171] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Lilyanne Johnson wrote:to all you people who laugh and love what your fearless leader said while he was drunk off his ass and say it's okay because he was drunk when he said then you're all saying it's okay when one of you is drunk off their butts in real life and gets in a car and plow into innocent civilians and kill them because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Ok the level of stupid just hit republican levels.
btw, I know about structure, genius, blame it on auto save draft. and you must be a democrat, baltec, because you sound like a jackass. I'm an independent and I didn't vote for your man either, you dimwit. laugh it up goonies. i'm glad you confirm it's okay to be a scumbag in eve. you'll get yours in real life. then we'll see who laughs last.
12/12/12 is coming. FTW |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
115
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:44:00 -
[4172] - Quote
scooter Kondur wrote:Too little too late. Call of your dogs so my posts don't get insta locked.
As you can clearly see, The Mittani now owns you.
MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:44:00 -
[4173] - Quote
Lilyanne Johnson wrote:baltec1 wrote:Lilyanne Johnson wrote:to all you people who laugh and love what your fearless leader said while he was drunk off his ass and say it's okay because he was drunk when he said then you're all saying it's okay when one of you is drunk off their butts in real life and gets in a car and plow into innocent civilians and kill them because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Ok the level of stupid just hit republican levels. btw, I know about structure, genius, blame it on auto save draft. and you must be a democrat, baltec, because you sound like a jackass. I'm an independent and I didn't vote for your man either, you dimwit. laugh it up goonies. i'm glad you confirm it's okay to be a scumbag in eve. you'll get yours in real life. then we'll see who laughs last. 12/12/12 is coming. FTW
Hurpa derpa, doo werpa dee herpa doo. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Stabs McShiv
MINUS4
7
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:44:00 -
[4174] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Inciting a riot, yeah I can see that one.
Making racist comments, I honestly didn't think that was illegal anywhere... although I realize freedom of speech is not a universal constant. If someone is stupid enough to make public their lack of intelligence by voicing such rubbish, so be it. They should be prepared for the social backlash... but it being against the law to express your point of view (no matter how uneducated) is a bit much.
Then again, I didin't see the tweets so perhaps there is something more directly damaging involved I am unaware of.
At least I hope so.
He twited "LOL , **** Muamba. HeGÇÖs dead!!! #haha" he then responded to various people who tweeted back in disgust with some pretty vile stuff. Again, he was also blind drunk at the time he was tweeting. Also he was reported to the police by one of the people who had responded to his tweet. He was charged and found guilty of a racially-aggravated public order offence to incite violence and will spend up to 56 days behind bars
U.K has turned into a fascist state that sh*t is some 1985 sh*t way to go poms dropped the ball on that one. |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:46:00 -
[4175] - Quote
Stabs McShiv wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Inciting a riot, yeah I can see that one.
Making racist comments, I honestly didn't think that was illegal anywhere... although I realize freedom of speech is not a universal constant. If someone is stupid enough to make public their lack of intelligence by voicing such rubbish, so be it. They should be prepared for the social backlash... but it being against the law to express your point of view (no matter how uneducated) is a bit much.
Then again, I didin't see the tweets so perhaps there is something more directly damaging involved I am unaware of.
At least I hope so.
He twited "LOL , **** Muamba. HeGÇÖs dead!!! #haha" he then responded to various people who tweeted back in disgust with some pretty vile stuff. Again, he was also blind drunk at the time he was tweeting. Also he was reported to the police by one of the people who had responded to his tweet. He was charged and found guilty of a racially-aggravated public order offence to incite violence and will spend up to 56 days behind bars U.K has turned into a fascist state that sh*t is some 1985 sh*t way to go poms dropped the ball on that one.
Agreed. While disgusting, that oversteps the bounds of governmental authority. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:48:00 -
[4176] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Lilyanne Johnson wrote:baltec1 wrote:Lilyanne Johnson wrote:to all you people who laugh and love what your fearless leader said while he was drunk off his ass and say it's okay because he was drunk when he said then you're all saying it's okay when one of you is drunk off their butts in real life and gets in a car and plow into innocent civilians and kill them because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Ok the level of stupid just hit republican levels. btw, I know about structure, genius, blame it on auto save draft. and you must be a democrat, baltec, because you sound like a jackass. I'm an independent and I didn't vote for your man either, you dimwit. laugh it up goonies. i'm glad you confirm it's okay to be a scumbag in eve. you'll get yours in real life. then we'll see who laughs last. 12/12/12 is coming. FTW Hurpa derpa, doo werpa dee herpa doo.
Don't communicate with it, just ignore it. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1065
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:51:00 -
[4177] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Inciting a riot, yeah I can see that one.
Making racist comments, I honestly didn't think that was illegal anywhere... although I realize freedom of speech is not a universal constant. If someone is stupid enough to make public their lack of intelligence by voicing such rubbish, so be it. They should be prepared for the social backlash... but it being against the law to express your point of view (no matter how uneducated) is a bit much.
Then again, I didin't see the tweets so perhaps there is something more directly damaging involved I am unaware of.
At least I hope so.
He twited "LOL , **** Muamba. HeGÇÖs dead!!! #haha" he then responded to various people who tweeted back in disgust with some pretty vile stuff. Again, he was also blind drunk at the time he was tweeting. Also he was reported to the police by one of the people who had responded to his tweet. He was charged and found guilty of a racially-aggravated public order offence to incite violence and will spend up to 56 days behind bars
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
153
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:52:00 -
[4178] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Blatant Forum Alt wrote:DelightSucker wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88008
There, i think we all should chill now. Despite hes effort to chill ppl whit this, its not enough. he have caused to much damage already to eve and CCP from hes action and he should resign completely and not just as Chair. This is a weak move and means nothing if he stays on the CSM and if CCP allow him they show there true color, and its not pretty. Yes, because obviously CCP should listen to two dozen forum warriors more than the 10k people who voted for mittens. Maybe the answer is to disband the CSM, at least that way we should not end up with this shame again. That is just about the worst idea I've heard in a long time. I do hope you're not being serious.
You could say that I'm starting to lean towards it.
On the one-hand the CSM represents the player base but in reality they don't truly represent the player base as you can see by those not voting. Plus the election method is crap it should be 1 person 1 vote otherwise it's as about money.
On the other hand the CSM could be in a good position to get things done if the right people are elected and that's become a big IF. |
Prince Kobol
437
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:52:00 -
[4179] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:Stabs McShiv wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:
Inciting a riot, yeah I can see that one.
Making racist comments, I honestly didn't think that was illegal anywhere... although I realize freedom of speech is not a universal constant. If someone is stupid enough to make public their lack of intelligence by voicing such rubbish, so be it. They should be prepared for the social backlash... but it being against the law to express your point of view (no matter how uneducated) is a bit much.
Then again, I didin't see the tweets so perhaps there is something more directly damaging involved I am unaware of.
At least I hope so.
He twited "LOL , **** Muamba. HeGÇÖs dead!!! #haha" he then responded to various people who tweeted back in disgust with some pretty vile stuff. Again, he was also blind drunk at the time he was tweeting. Also he was reported to the police by one of the people who had responded to his tweet. He was charged and found guilty of a racially-aggravated public order offence to incite violence and will spend up to 56 days behind bars U.K has turned into a fascist state that sh*t is some 1985 sh*t way to go poms dropped the ball on that one. Agreed. While disgusting, that oversteps the bounds of governmental authority.
You 2 guys have missed the point entirely which. In fact I would go so far to say its because idiots like yourself, the kind moronic ass-holes that we needs these laws.
The laws basically says there is no difference between if you walk up to somebody on the street and scream vile racist crap at them and if you do it on the internet.
Its to stop morons like yourself hiding behind a keyboard because you are even a bigger coward to say it to somebodies face.
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Vanguard One
4th Drake Squadron
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:53:00 -
[4180] - Quote
Aineko Macx wrote:I have exactly 0 reasons to believe shittens means the apology. It's just a calculated maneuver to reduce the chance of reprisals.
Yep, It's called Damage Control. |
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Ai Shun
450
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:53:00 -
[4181] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Hurpa derpa, doo werpa dee herpa doo. Don't communicate with it, just ignore it.
I didn't know you spoke Tellytubby! What did Xander say? |
scooter Kondur
Pyramid Celestial
21
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:54:00 -
[4182] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:scooter Kondur wrote:Too little too late. Call of your dogs so my posts don't get insta locked. As you can clearly see, The Mittani now owns you. MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
So what now that he owns me he can sick his goons on me to go in for the kill...or would he rather i do that on my own? "Situation" is no Thulsa Doom |
baltec1
934
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:54:00 -
[4183] - Quote
Lilyanne Johnson wrote:btw, I know about structure, genius, blame it on auto save draft. and you must be a democrat, baltec, because you sound like a jackass. I'm an independent and I didn't vote for your man either, you dimwit. laugh it up goonies. i'm glad you confirm it's okay to be a scumbag in eve. you'll get yours in real life. then we'll see who laughs last. 12/12/12 is coming. FTW
Not American. |
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam Amarr Empire
139
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:54:00 -
[4184] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:The laws basically says there is no difference between if you walk up to somebody on the street and scream vile racist crap at them and if you do it on the internet. Last time I checked neither of these were illegal in my country. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:55:00 -
[4185] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Nylith Empyreal wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Hurpa derpa, doo werpa dee herpa doo. Don't communicate with it, just ignore it. I didn't know you spoke Tellytubby! What did Xander say?
I'm afraid it would be mostly censored on these particular forums and it would be impolite to restate them here. |
Prince Kobol
437
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:56:00 -
[4186] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:The laws basically says there is no difference between if you walk up to somebody on the street and scream vile racist crap at them and if you do it on the internet. Last time I checked neither of these were illegal in my country.
Which country is that? |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:58:00 -
[4187] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Stabs McShiv wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:[quote=Ranger 1]
...........
U.K has turned into a fascist state that sh*t is some 1985 sh*t way to go poms dropped the ball on that one. Agreed. While disgusting, that oversteps the bounds of governmental authority. You 2 guys have missed the point entirely. In fact I would go so far to say its because idiots like yourself, the kind moronic ass-holes that we need these laws. The laws basically says there is no difference between if you walk up to somebody on the street and scream vile racist crap at them and if you do it on the internet. Its to stop morons like yourself hiding behind a keyboard because you are even a bigger coward to say it to somebodies face.
Saying those things is not illegal. There are clear criteria that must be met in order to qualify as hate speech; that is why the K-K-K, for instance, can still hold rallies despite being an outright horrible organization for horrible people. I think you need to take a step back from your emotions. After all, where do we draw the line? You just called me a moronic ******* over the internet. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Geodeath
Fist of God
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:00:00 -
[4188] - Quote
Is this a redundant thread now? |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:01:00 -
[4189] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:
Maybe the answer is to disband the CSM, at least that way we should not end up with this shame again.
That is just about the worst idea I've heard in a long time. I do hope you're not being serious.[/quote]
You could say that I'm starting to lean towards it.
On the one-hand the CSM represents the player base but in reality they don't truly represent the player base as you can see by those not voting. Plus the election method is crap it should be 1 person 1 vote otherwise it's as about money.
On the other hand the CSM could be in a good position to get things done if the right people are elected and that's become a big IF.[/quote]
The CSM was put in place for a reason, and has done an excellent job of voicing player concerns, so far. They were integral in the company wide shift of focus and reorganization of CCP, and have played a major role in the upcoming Inferno expansion, which so far looks quite promising.
This is while Mittani was in office, mind. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
82
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:01:00 -
[4190] - Quote
Geodeath wrote:Is this a redundant thread now?
Never Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
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Skilfer Azizora
Nova Corps Marines Group
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:01:00 -
[4191] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. You are the most hypocritcal person on the CSM. Bravo. Go break the NDA over this. Anyway, so far my prediction is true... apology, but not stepping down. Well - done.
I agree completely. There is a level of respect you have for those who serve beside you, both in business as well as war. The votes he received were as real as the ones you (Darius) did. To come on here and publicly say that, regardless as to what you actually think is immature and blatantly uncalled for. If you have a problem talk to him personally, this is just childish. |
Shepard Book
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:02:00 -
[4192] - Quote
Geodeath wrote:Is this a redundant thread now?
Not until CCP decides on BAN. |
Prince Kobol
437
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:04:00 -
[4193] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:
Saying those things is not illegal. There are clear criteria that must be met in order to qualify as hate speech; that is why the KK, for instance, can still hold rallies despite being an outright horrible organization for horrible people. I think you need to take a step back from your emotions. After all, where do we draw the line? You just called me a moronic ******* over the internet.
If you think calling somebody a moronic ass-hole is the same as some racist vile crap then you have just proved you are in-deed a ass-hole.
Also as far as I am aware in the USA if its a direct attack against an individual, whether verbal or nonverbal, it can be construed as a hate crime and in which case you can be arrested.
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
25
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:05:00 -
[4194] - Quote
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Geodeath wrote:Is this a redundant thread now? Never the party isnt over until CCP sung
CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM
CCP:-á the mittani has set an example -áto follow ? |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
146
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:06:00 -
[4195] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:The laws basically says there is no difference between if you walk up to somebody on the street and scream vile racist crap at them and if you do it on the internet. Last time I checked neither of these were illegal in my country. Which country is that?
All of them. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:08:00 -
[4196] - Quote
The masses call unto Caesar for the verdict of this colosseum match and they will shout and burn the city to the ground until their chosen desire is acknowledged. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:09:00 -
[4197] - Quote
Geodeath wrote:Is this a redundant thread now?
No, it is a thread for posting about Roadhouse again. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
153
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:09:00 -
[4198] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote: The CSM was put in place for a reason, and has done an excellent job of voicing player concerns, so far. They were integral in the company wide shift of focus and reorganization of CCP, and have played a major role in the upcoming Inferno expansion, which so far looks quite promising.
This is while Mittani was in office, mind.
I know, I played an active part on the forums during the riots, although never took it in-game as prefered not to disrupt those not protesting. The changes you mention however took part whilst I was out of game on the second phase of that protest. |
Vanguard One
4th Drake Squadron
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:11:00 -
[4199] - Quote
Sverige Pahis wrote:I'm a cop
And this is relevant to us how ?
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Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:14:00 -
[4200] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:
Saying those things is not illegal. There are clear criteria that must be met in order to qualify as hate speech; that is why the KK, for instance, can still hold rallies despite being an outright horrible organization for horrible people. I think you need to take a step back from your emotions. After all, where do we draw the line? You just called me a moronic ******* over the internet.
If you think calling somebody a moronic ass-hole is the same as some racist vile crap then you have just proved you are in-deed a ass-hole. Also as far as I am aware in the USA if its a direct attack against an individual, whether verbal or nonverbal, it can be construed as a hate crime and in which case you can be arrested.
I didn't say it was the same. In fact, I specifically said it was different. The question here is a slippery slope argument dealing with how far into one's life the government can interject itself. It IS a free speech issue, if indirectly.
As for hate speech, a key requirement is that there is the reasonable belief of action. The K-K-K routinely calls for violence, but they are almost never taken seriously because their calls for race-based revolution have no actual physical backing in reality. Saying vile things only crosses the bounds into hate speech when there is a continued, reasonable expectation of harm as a result.
Just do me a favor and don't jump to the conclusion that I am supporting racism, which you seem to have been doing thus far. Again, step back from your emotions and look at the broader picture. Government is not supposed to enforce goodness on its people. An ass-hole is, technically speaking, free to be an ass-hole by the law. "SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE." |
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Jonathan Malcom
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
73
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:16:00 -
[4201] - Quote
The Wis wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I like how The Wis didn't seem to care until people started telling him he should care. he didnt see the tape till later, Says that in his post. He took his time to think about what happened. People do that sometimes. instead of just mouthing off a, Deal with it. I also like how he accepted The Mittani's apology and everything until people started telling him what to think. No not becouse of what everyone tells me what I should think. I work when I have work come in.. I have been on the road more thien anything and trying to answer peoples question. Today I have no work orders so more time. But still have real life things to do around the house. And to let everyone know I do not bot. If I see a botter I will let gankers know about it. I do multibox and love to see how far I can push it.. AT this time I am limited buy the hardware I have. One day I will see if I can go further. Thanks all for the support and the kind words.
Dear "The Wis"
Your attempts to use your real life problems to guilt trip people who ganked you into reimbrusing you are reprehensible and completely indefensible. We are not your friends, your family or you support group. We do not care about your issues. Your eve-mail was a transparent and despicable attempt at emotional manipulation and you should be openly ridiculed for it.
Your personal problems have no business in my spaceship game. Deal with it ~ |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
625
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:19:00 -
[4202] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:
Saying those things is not illegal. There are clear criteria that must be met in order to qualify as hate speech; that is why the KK, for instance, can still hold rallies despite being an outright horrible organization for horrible people. I think you need to take a step back from your emotions. After all, where do we draw the line? You just called me a moronic ******* over the internet.
If you think calling somebody a moronic ass-hole is the same as some racist vile crap then you have just proved you are in-deed a ass-hole. Also as far as I am aware in the USA if its a direct attack against an individual, whether verbal or nonverbal, it can be construed as a hate crime and in which case you can be arrested. Hate crime can only be applied if there is an actual crime. Rambling hateful speech that does not call for action isn't a crime, no matter how distasteful.
in fact, legally (in the US) there is no difference between calling someone a moron and calling them [insert slew of racial terms]. |
Skilfer Azizora
Nova Corps Marines Group
0
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:20:00 -
[4203] - Quote
Magnus Orin wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:The laws basically says there is no difference between if you walk up to somebody on the street and scream vile racist crap at them and if you do it on the internet. Last time I checked neither of these were illegal in my country. Which country is that? All of them.
I know for a fact that it is not illegal in the US. You cannot continuously harass someone because that is considered bullying/abuse, and you cannot threaten them, but you can say whatever you like. For example, the Supreme Court ruled towards the end of last year that the protests of soldiers' funerals by the Westboro Baptist Church was constitutionally protected. They can legally tell people their sons and daughters are going to burn in hell for serving their country. Also, if what you said was true, then the Neo *****, Black Panthers, ***, and other racist groups would not be allowed to exist, but the reality is they are. As long as no act of violence is committed it is merely an extension of your 1st Amendment right's, however repulsive that might seem. |
RectumRanger
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:22:00 -
[4204] - Quote
Just stopped by to post in one of the best threads ever. o/ |
DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:23:00 -
[4205] - Quote
I hate Goons, I dont even know why.. it was injected into my noob blood years ago.. But I do not condone this apology , why must you fall to these guys and apologize? You really did nothing wrong and should not be punished unless all who stood witness and participated are ready to be judged and set to hang also. They are trying to get at you the way you get at them, right to the bone. I have watched every minute of the fanfest panel and sure, you said some harsh things.. but guess what.. eve is a harsh universe full of harsh people.. sure you may have not been in game at that moment but were you not at an EVE event being fed alcahol and brewed up to be an asshat for the fans? I Just came back to the game, so maybe things have changed ever since the barby land patch and people now wearing tight panties.. but i truly find nothing wrong with what you said and did or any of the other members of csm who also showed thier ass that night |
Stabs McShiv
MINUS4
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:25:00 -
[4206] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:Xander Riggs wrote:Stabs McShiv wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:[quote=Ranger 1]
...........
U.K has turned into a fascist state that sh*t is some 1985 sh*t way to go poms dropped the ball on that one. Agreed. While disgusting, that oversteps the bounds of governmental authority. You 2 guys have missed the point entirely. In fact I would go so far to say its because idiots like yourself, the kind moronic ass-holes that we need these laws. The laws basically says there is no difference between if you walk up to somebody on the street and scream vile racist crap at them and if you do it on the internet. Its to stop morons like yourself hiding behind a keyboard because the level of your cowardice does not allow you tell somebody to their face what you think.
No one is going to sail over the sea and save you this time your cowardice has cost you your nation and your to blind to see it. Dont come crying when your in a gulag for 'insulting' someones business interests. Sheep. |
Jita Alt666
966
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:40:00 -
[4207] - Quote
Well done people this thread has well and truly passed the WIS thread.
More people in Eve Online care about The Mittani with more intensity than care about Walking in Stations.
No resolution in sight? |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1682
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:42:00 -
[4208] - Quote
bloody hell, I step away to have a corp meeting and its another 30 pages :)
Anyway I'm glad he has gathered his courage and resigned from the role of chair of the CSM (which is the absolute minimum he needed to do really). For the moment I'm satisfied with this and we'll see what develops really. I'm sure the story isn't completely finished but I hope we've all learned some valuable lessons.
Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
90
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:42:00 -
[4209] - Quote
So long mittani o/
nice 10k votes you guys wasted
coulda got 3 csm and now you have 0.
madprops |
Kyle Myr
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
198
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:43:00 -
[4210] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:bloody hell, I step away to have a corp meeting and its another 30 pages :)
Anyway I'm glad he has gathered his courage and resigned from the role of chair of the CSM (which is the absolute minimum he needed to do really). For the moment I'm satisfied with this and we'll see what develops really. I'm sure the story isn't completely finished but I hope we've all learned some valuable lessons.
Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.
A nice, two faced way of saying that you're kicking someone you don't like while they're down. We can play that way. |
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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
29
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:43:00 -
[4211] - Quote
He is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now...
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
38
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:45:00 -
[4212] - Quote
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576
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Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:48:00 -
[4213] - Quote
"As some of you might have heard, one of the Alliance leaders speaking at the Alliance Panel during EVE Fanfest 2012 breached our EULA/TOS with some ill-advised remarks about a fellow EVE player."
Where's all those 'nay sayers' regarding TOS/EULA now ?! |
Liam Mirren
382
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:49:00 -
[4214] - Quote
gf gf Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Ai Shun
451
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:57:00 -
[4215] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.
Let's recap here.
1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest.
The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal.
I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. |
Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
205
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:58:00 -
[4216] - Quote
gf |
Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
782
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:01:00 -
[4217] - Quote
Enjoy your ban mittens. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Kriegman
Raging Ducks Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:03:00 -
[4218] - Quote
The blood of unbelievers shall fill the station.... |
Zanziba'ar
Blackwell Industries IMPERIAL LEGI0N
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:05:00 -
[4219] - Quote
I don't like The Mittani but well done for making an apology - Mulzvich "Zanziba'ar" Gorath |
Cheekything
Dark-Rising
96
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:09:00 -
[4220] - Quote
Well this is one big huge over reaction.
I think the words used were overly strong and could of seen better judgement but that is it. |
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
27
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:09:00 -
[4221] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the THE CURRENT CSM , and want to run as a member of CSM 7 (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban , removes him from CSM7 decides to review future material for Fanfest.
thats my timeline CSM are expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM
CCP:-á the mittani has set an example -áto follow ? |
Jean-Derp deCurrency
ISKesis Trust Fund
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:12:00 -
[4222] - Quote
Ccp staff : " Hey look everybody's drunk and they all play eve, let's all laugh our asses off --- wait what, did kotaku put us on the front pppp - DAMAAGE CONTROOOOOOOOOL. "
This is incredibly ********. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1684
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:12:00 -
[4223] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it.
Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
798
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:12:00 -
[4224] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy.
hello.jpg |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
77
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:14:00 -
[4225] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy. hello.jpg
Hi Jade, you seem to be trying to be relevant again. Stop it. |
D Derp
xXxSePhIrOtHSSJ420xXx W33D4LYFE Fanclub
77
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:14:00 -
[4226] - Quote
RP Space brothels. |
Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
68
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:17:00 -
[4227] - Quote
apology accepted, and job well done. hope to see you next year. |
Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
72
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:18:00 -
[4228] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy.
lol you have an rp space brothel, kill yourself |
Tango Zulu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:18:00 -
[4229] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:bloody hell, I step away to have a corp meeting and its another 30 pages :)
Anyway I'm glad he has gathered his courage and resigned from the role of chair of the CSM (which is the absolute minimum he needed to do really). For the moment I'm satisfied with this and we'll see what develops really. I'm sure the story isn't completely finished but I hope we've all learned some valuable lessons.
Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online.
I might agree with you if this had to do with the CSM, but it doesn't so the "absolute minimum" he needed to do was apologize, if he personally felt responsible to do so. If he had said every word he said in Jita local to an audience of 1500+, no one would have blinked an eye about it. In the end this was The Mittani saying something about The Wiz (or whatever his name is) with regards to EVE at an EVE event. He didn't find and give everyone his real name and address, he didn't mail him anthrax, he didn't even say "Good, kill yourself." The panel show was how people react to our actions in game. You can try to say he's a representative of the player base, but that doesn't mean that he needs to have infinite love and respect for what people say over the internet. (For the non-goons in the audience, he's the third person in recent memory that mentioned self-harm after losing their assets. We hear it often enough by people who want stuff back from scams/want sympathy for losses.) In American politics you do not need to love and agree with the religious right to run as a left-leaning democrat.
What we are seeing is people who despise goons writing the most eloquent posts they have in years trying to close the deal with his stepping down, while goons and allies ask, "What does it have to do with the politics of EVE?" and independent-minded people (including most of the CSM who actually know him) saying, "You can (and sometimes say should) apologize, but don't step down because you've brought good changes about."
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Ai Shun
455
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:19:00 -
[4230] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy.
Nonsense. The childish footstamping is coming from you. He is right in the core of what he wrote - people are taking this issue, which has been dealt with, and using it as a mechanism to destroy the Goonswarm because they are unable to do so in-game. |
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Eloriena
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:21:00 -
[4231] - Quote
OP, there is no place in real life (or Eve) for this sort of attitude to someone's real life and death problems. A simple apology is not enough. This requires actions, not words, so I hope you get the message and we either never see your like in Eve again or we see a very different person. |
Liam Mirren
382
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:23:00 -
[4232] - Quote
Funny how that evenews post makes it all sound like a "nono, I planned this at the 2006 BBQ", "Me not being in the CSM is for the better trust me" and "I chose to resign".
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1685
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:23:00 -
[4233] - Quote
D Derp wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy. hello.jpg Hi Jade, you seem to be trying to be relevant again. Stop it.
Relevant enough to get name-checked as one of the people your ex "king of space" chose to rage against on EN24 it seems. Must sting that he knows my name in a way he will never know yours.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jean-Derp deCurrency
ISKesis Trust Fund
2
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:23:00 -
[4234] - Quote
Eloriena wrote:OP, there is no place in real life (or Eve) for this sort of attitude don't bring your irl **** into eve nobody cares go whine somewhere else kthxbye
Fixed that for you.
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Ai Shun
455
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:23:00 -
[4235] - Quote
Eloriena wrote:OP, there is no place in real life (or Eve) for this sort of attitude to someone's real life and death problems. A simple apology is not enough. This requires actions, not words, so I hope you get the message and we either never see your like in Eve again or we see a very different person.
Try to keep up.
He has apologised, donated his ISK and resigned as CSM chair. He has also been removed from the CSM and had a 30 day ban issued.
The actions are there. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
802
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:27:00 -
[4236] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote: Relevant enough to get name-checked as one of the people your ex "king of space" chose to rage against on EN24 it seems. Must sting that he knows my name in a way he will never know yours.
I don't know about you Jade but i would much rather not be known than be known as someone who roleplays as a dickgirl matriarch of a brothel
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Ong
Born-2-Kill 0ccupational Hazzard
27
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:28:00 -
[4237] - Quote
There is hope now that this game will not be ruled by blobbing fucks after all \o/ |
Highlander20s
Takahashi Syndicate Takahashi Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:29:00 -
[4238] - Quote
i see the apology but dont believe it, if you can come out with the crap you did then you mean it, dont speak what you think then try back chatting because you suddenly realise what you have said. You are scum your words are scum and a 30 day ban is pish, and i know there will be the usual goon that post replies saying how great you are and how much a wanker i am but that is goon and i dont care a sod for them. I just hope you hang your head in shame and **** of. |
Salem Aurilen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:30:00 -
[4239] - Quote
Somewhere Darius is victory dancing, i just know it. |
Eloriena
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:31:00 -
[4240] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Eloriena wrote:OP, there is no place in real life (or Eve) for this sort of attitude to someone's real life and death problems. A simple apology is not enough. This requires actions, not words, so I hope you get the message and we either never see your like in Eve again or we see a very different person. Try to keep up. He has apologised, donated his ISK and resigned as CSM chair. He has also been removed from the CSM and had a 30 day ban issued. The actions are there.
Those are all passive acts: ISK isn't real; the CSM chairmanship is ephemeral and a 30 day ban is not harsh. Do you really think that the victim in this is going to recover from their illness with some ISK and the knowledge that their tormentor will be gone for just 30 days ? What I was getting at is the need to see a change in the OP's actions in future.
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Salem Aurilen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:39:00 -
[4241] - Quote
[/quote] Those are all passive acts: ISK isn't real; the CSM chairmanship is ephemeral and a 30 day ban is not harsh. Do you really think that the victim in this is going to recover from their illness with some ISK and the knowledge that their tormentor will be gone for just 30 days ? What I was getting at is the need to see a change in the OP's actions in future. [/quote]
The victim can rest assured that given this community reaction that nobody is going to attempt to bully him in the future and besides the chatter on Something Awful this guy isn't going to be interesting anymore in about a weeks time. And what else do you expect The Mittani to do, take an oath to never cause a single tear again because somebody somewhere might commit suicide over it?
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Kerono Thalmor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:39:00 -
[4242] - Quote
You sir, have regained my respect, and then some. People taking responsibility like that is not something I see every day, and I respect it a lot.
Proud of our CSM. :D |
supr3m3justic3
Imperium Technologies F0RCEFUL ENTRY
23
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:51:00 -
[4243] - Quote
Jonathan Malcom wrote:The Wis wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I like how The Wis didn't seem to care until people started telling him he should care. he didnt see the tape till later, Says that in his post. He took his time to think about what happened. People do that sometimes. instead of just mouthing off a, Deal with it. I also like how he accepted The Mittani's apology and everything until people started telling him what to think. No not becouse of what everyone tells me what I should think. I work when I have work come in.. I have been on the road more thien anything and trying to answer peoples question. Today I have no work orders so more time. But still have real life things to do around the house. And to let everyone know I do not bot. If I see a botter I will let gankers know about it. I do multibox and love to see how far I can push it.. AT this time I am limited buy the hardware I have. One day I will see if I can go further. Thanks all for the support and the kind words. Dear "The Wis" Your attempts to use your real life problems to guilt trip people who ganked you into reimbrusing you are reprehensible and completely indefensible. We are not your friends, your family or you support group. We do not care about your issues. Your eve-mail was a transparent and despicable attempt at emotional manipulation and you should be openly ridiculed for it. Your personal problems have no business in my spaceship game. Deal with it ~
UMADBRO? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1371
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:55:00 -
[4244] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy. Nonsense. The childish footstamping is coming from you. He is right in the core of what he wrote - people are taking this issue, which has been dealt with, and using it as a mechanism to destroy the Goonswarm because they are unable to do so in-game.
Welp, this obviously only leaves me one course of action... pick up a Tornado BP and start cranking them out in Amarr, and possibly start looking into building freighters.. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
George Holden
The Shadow Plague BLACK-MARK
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:58:00 -
[4245] - Quote
Love how people can't accept apologies, and it's hilarious how big a fuzz can be made about such "minor" things while we let people die to hunger and diseases. Oh wait we can't be arsed to care about those as well because we must take care of our big problems first like iPhones running low on battery. Just my general opinion by the way.
Facts: - Mittens is still there unless carebear ninja assassins murder him IRL - Mittens influence is still there although some part of the people are mad now because words in our community are not worth what they were - Jita will burn |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
44
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:58:00 -
[4246] - Quote
So wheres the downfall vid on youtube then? |
Anya Yazria
Sandline Industries Junk Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:59:00 -
[4247] - Quote
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AveryFaneActual
Missions Mining and Mayhem Northern Coalition.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:00:00 -
[4248] - Quote
That's why I voted for Elise :P |
Jita Alt666
968
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:06:00 -
[4249] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: When in Iceland, I stumbled: my presentation was boring, I was hideously drunk, and I said something entirely regrettable. My apology upon my return was not a troll (though our in-game enemies are trying to imply it is just a calculated move); as a maniacal control freak, me getting that drunk leaves me with a foul opinion of myself and I wish I hadnGÇÖt done as I had.
The Mittani wrote: I apologized personally to The Wis; There is no question that I went too far and drank too much, and ignored advice that I shouldnGÇÖt use that specific slide at all.
Jade Constantine wrote:Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy.
Your reading comprehension is terrible your Spiteful footstamping and vitriolic poison are noted. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
325
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:10:00 -
[4250] - Quote
Alex: I apologize! CCP: Apology NOT accepted. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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Lazareth Toxin
Endless Cycle Inc.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:32:00 -
[4251] - Quote
Don't really understand why you was banned or resigned, your comments were not in game and were in a casual forum which could easily be equated to a bar...which we all know what happens there, we drink, we tell stories and we blow-off stream.
In any event, sorry to see your not chairman and hope you run again. |
Tolmar
Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:34:00 -
[4252] - Quote
Democratically elected my a**, got more than double the amount of votes as any other candidate and you all kick him out due to a bad joke... This is just dumb, 99% of people who write things like that are full of crap and just trying to save their ship or their isk farming area... |
Landrae
Sinners Among Saints Tus Network
307
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:35:00 -
[4253] - Quote
LOUD NOISES!
My cow collapsed, and now there's a human to animal infection outbreak among illegal immigrants. |
Landrae
Sinners Among Saints Tus Network
307
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:37:00 -
[4254] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Alex: I apologize! CCP: Apology NOT accepted.
Many Employers Utilize this same tactic. You make a mistake and they give you the choice to Quit with a chance to be rehired someday, or be fired. Mittens took the quit CSM and rock CSM 8,9,10,11 and every CSM after that.
My cow collapsed, and now there's a human to animal infection outbreak among illegal immigrants. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
467
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:50:00 -
[4255] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy.
The apology was fake, he is not humble. He only did it to be able to stay on the CSM and keep hold of his power.
Yeah CCP needs to ban him. He hasn't learned a thing and was clearly not sincere. And based on what his thugs have been doing even after his apology its obvious the apology was a sham. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1716
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:50:00 -
[4256] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:The Mittani wrote: When in Iceland, I stumbled: my presentation was boring, I was hideously drunk, and I said something entirely regrettable. My apology upon my return was not a troll (though our in-game enemies are trying to imply it is just a calculated move); as a maniacal control freak, me getting that drunk leaves me with a foul opinion of myself and I wish I hadnGÇÖt done as I had.
The Mittani wrote: I apologized personally to The Wis; There is no question that I went too far and drank too much, and ignored advice that I shouldnGÇÖt use that specific slide at all.
Jade Constantine wrote:Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy. Your reading comprehension is terrible your Spiteful footstamping and vitriolic poison are noted.
as is your selective quoting. post it all or get out.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
328
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:54:00 -
[4257] - Quote
Andski wrote:Princess Bride wrote:By the way, the answer to "Is this thread still going" would be "This thread is just getting started."
Wait till you see it after The Mittani is booted from the CSM (sorry, steps down "voluntarily") and then again after his accounts are banned. lmao
*chirp* http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
467
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:55:00 -
[4258] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy. The apology was fake, he is not humble. He only did it to be able to stay on the CSM and keep hold of his power. Yeah CCP needs to ban him. He hasn't learned a thing and was clearly not sincere. And based on what his thugs have been doing even after his apology its obvious the apology was a sham.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576
At Least CCP seems to get it. 30 day ban, hes off CSM6 and CSM 7 and they might not let him do any future CSMs.
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
70
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:56:00 -
[4259] - Quote
Landrae wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Alex: I apologize! CCP: Apology NOT accepted. Many Employers Utilize this same tactic. You make a mistake and they give you the choice to Quit with a chance to be rehired someday, or be fired. Mittens took the quit CSM and rock CSM 8,9,10,11 and every CSM after that. Maybe you should read this http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576 Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
330
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:58:00 -
[4260] - Quote
Landrae wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Alex: I apologize! CCP: Apology NOT accepted. Many Employers Utilize this same tactic. You make a mistake and they give you the choice to Quit with a chance to be rehired someday, or be fired. Mittens took the quit CSM and rock CSM 8,9,10,11 and every CSM after that.
Perhaps you didn't read CCP's dev blog completely. That's okay, when he's not on the ballot in CSM 8 I'll laugh again. You're right in that if he HAD resigned from the CSM like a man, he might have avoided the 30 day ban, and not effectively left the decision of whether to let him run in ANY future CSM election to CCP. That WAS a stupid move on his part, not manning up like that.
Apparently the full implications of this haven't sunk in with all the goons yet. But the surprising part is that I am surprised. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
787
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:58:00 -
[4261] - Quote
from The Last Mittani. The Last Brennevin.
There is no way in hell that booze is ever going to be an official component of any CCP Fanfest from here on in. No more official dev pubcrawls (officially). No more drunken alliance panels (thank goodness, because the drunken portions were always a waste of time.) No more live drinking game/quiz shows. The alliance panel might survive in some form, with breathalyzers given beforehand (you can pick these things up at a 7-11 now for a few bucks). Hell, the best portion of the 2012 Alliance Panel was presented by quite sober wormhole people. No one is talking glowingly of any portion of the alliance panel where the presenters were stone-cold drunk. Sober people find drunk people ******* dumb. Only drunk people find stumbling drunks hilarious.
CCP needs to put on a new face. So the 10th Anniversary Fanfest will be a different affair. There'll still be drinking and drunks, just not as part of the official proceedings. There will still probably be devs to hang out with and crawl pubs, but not listed on any of the Fanfest informationals. They will be fan organized events. And that's cool. And as it should be.
CCP is moving forward. This is to be expected. I didn't expect the see the Alliance Panel in its regular format next year, even if no drama had erupted from it. Except for a couple of groups (who happened to be sober), it has become a colossal waste of time. There might be a fan organized alliance panel, not at the convention site, but CCP isn't going to touch it with a ten foot pole, nor will they allow any employees to attend.
As for The Mittani. It is a shame that he's been booted from the CSM. CCP had to do this, given the publicity. Obviously, before anything erupted, CCP was unbothered by what occurred. They were in attendance, after all. No action was taken until it all became radioactive.
It's a lesson in hubris for Alex. He's been feeling quite untouchable for the last year. That anything he did, he was going to find himself above the fray, no matter how many people he pissed off and outraged. He discovered the line this week.
I feel bad for him, though. His game has become the meta-game, and his persona has become that of the King of Space. This is going to be a harsh and sudden change for him.
I'm not sure he's going to enjoy being out of the spotlight. I expect he's going to be tremendously bored just playing space CEO. By this time next year, I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to move on from EVE Online to other activities. And if Mittens departs, many Goons will likely follow. The game will be worse for his departure. Worse with fewer Goons. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
469
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:04:00 -
[4262] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Landrae wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Alex: I apologize! CCP: Apology NOT accepted. Many Employers Utilize this same tactic. You make a mistake and they give you the choice to Quit with a chance to be rehired someday, or be fired. Mittens took the quit CSM and rock CSM 8,9,10,11 and every CSM after that. Perhaps you didn't read CCP's dev blog completely. That's okay, when he's not on the ballot in CSM 8 I'll laugh again. You're right in that if he HAD resigned from the CSM like a man, he might have avoided the 30 day ban, and not effectively left the decision of whether to let him run in ANY future CSM election to CCP. That WAS a stupid move on his part, not manning up like that. Apparently the full implications of this haven't sunk in with all the goons yet. But the surprising part is that I am surprised.
This is exactly the point.
He all the sudden slipped back into his Im the big bad goon persona rather then being a man and HTFU about it.
Well CCP made him HTFU for him. And much worse then what people were calling for originally.
He tossed gas on his own fire and let it burn out of control.
There is a lesson for everyone in this about how to act like a leader. Something mittens was clearly not in this case. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:08:00 -
[4263] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy. Nonsense. The childish footstamping is coming from you. He is right in the core of what he wrote - people are taking this issue, which has been dealt with, and using it as a mechanism to destroy the Goonswarm because they are unable to do so in-game.
This, at least if anything good comes from this it is that Jade as exposed himself for what he trully is. An open and honest post on goon forums is "secretly writing vitreolic poison" simply because it dared to criticize jade. |
Ry Anubis
HotRock Mining PLC Punch Drunk Lemmings
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:10:00 -
[4264] - Quote
Hes A Sad Panda Now... |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:10:00 -
[4265] - Quote
It is beyond outrageous and completely unacceptable that this person would ever be given the opportunity to represent the player base again. |
Giuliano Verti
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:14:00 -
[4266] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Landrae wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Alex: I apologize! CCP: Apology NOT accepted. Many Employers Utilize this same tactic. You make a mistake and they give you the choice to Quit with a chance to be rehired someday, or be fired. Mittens took the quit CSM and rock CSM 8,9,10,11 and every CSM after that. Perhaps you didn't read CCP's dev blog completely. That's okay, when he's not on the ballot in CSM 8 I'll laugh again. You're right in that if he HAD resigned from the CSM like a man, he might have avoided the 30 day ban, and not effectively left the decision of whether to let him run in ANY future CSM election to CCP. That WAS a stupid move on his part, not manning up like that. Apparently the full implications of this haven't sunk in with all the goons yet. But the surprising part is that I am surprised. This is exactly the point. He all the sudden slipped back into his Im the big bad goon persona rather then being a man and HTFU about it. Well CCP made him HTFU for him. And much worse then what people were calling for originally. He tossed gas on his own fire and let it burn out of control. There is a lesson for everyone in this about how to act like a leader. Something mittens was clearly not in this case.
^^ -- Pretty much this
Alex is doomed by his ego. |
Jita Alt666
970
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:22:00 -
[4267] - Quote
Ry Anubis wrote:Hes A Sad Panda Now...
Yeah seems so.
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doombreed52
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
35
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:34:00 -
[4268] - Quote
jita will burn. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
480
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:37:00 -
[4269] - Quote
Im going to be honest about this.
When he said he was going to step down on his twitter I thought. "OH he gets it" but then he tried to cling to his power desperately showing that he didnt actually care or reflect on what he did. Had he just stepped down from the CSM instead of trying to weasel his way out of it this would not have become the mess it became.
Thats when it became clear he had to go. |
Jita Alt666
970
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:41:00 -
[4270] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Im going to be honest about this.
When he said he was going to step down on his twitter I thought. "OH he gets it" but then he tried to cling to his power desperately showing that he didnt actually care or reflect on what he did. Had he just stepped down from the CSM instead of trying to weasel his way out of it this would not have become the mess it became.
Thats when it became clear he had to go.
Please post evidence of your assertion that he tried to cling to power and or weasel his way out of this.
edit: hehe your opening line, what have you been dishonest about? |
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
480
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:43:00 -
[4271] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Im going to be honest about this.
When he said he was going to step down on his twitter I thought. "OH he gets it" but then he tried to cling to his power desperately showing that he didnt actually care or reflect on what he did. Had he just stepped down from the CSM instead of trying to weasel his way out of it this would not have become the mess it became.
Thats when it became clear he had to go. Please post evidence of your assertion that he tried to cling to power and or weasel his way out of this.
Its already i the thread?
Odd you could miss the many eve 24 posts of the goon web page leak or all the pasterbins showing he was trying to weasle out of stepping down from csm by only stepping down from the chair and trying to stay in the CSM.
Really now. Your blind with rage or something that you missed that?
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Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
801
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:45:00 -
[4272] - Quote
doombreed52 wrote:jita will burn.
It's not Jitas fault your leader took a -50DKP hit cause he was not where the **** he was suppose to be. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
doombreed52
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
35
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:48:00 -
[4273] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Congratulations to everyone on my side of the floor, this day we won a victory for some standards of ooc camaraderie and mutual respect in eve online. Let's recap here. 1. The Wis brings personal issues into the game. 2. The Mittani does something very stupid and to my mind very rude. 3. There is a large public outcry. 4. The Mittani apologises and donates his ISK to The Wis. 5. The Mittani, after consultation, resigns as chair and from the CSM (Wasn't very clear if he is off the CSM). 6. CCP hands out a 30 day ban and decides to review future material for Fanfest. The man that owned up to his horrid mistake and did his best to offer restitution is the man that comes out of this on top. Of course, the same can't be said of the mass of Goons that have posted their vitriol over these pages; but at least they're loyal. I don't know why, but some reason your post just makes me think of a politician greaseballing for votes or something. There is something distinctly slimy about it. Well having now read his freak out session on EN24 http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/e. I have to say I was FAR too kind to this guy. He deserves the ban and everything he gets. Spiteful footstamping he sounds like a child with its lollypop taken away. I'm very disappointed that he made a public apology while secretly writing that vitreolic poison secretly to an audience of goons. Good riddence to the guy.
good god and i thought i was a bitter hateful person you sir/ma'am/creature are one of the most hateful and angry people i have ever seen. enjoy your smugness mark the date , 30 days from now jita will burn and so will everything you hold dear in eve. enjoy the last 30 days of peace and being smug. goodbye |
Styxx
Dark Shado D.A.R.K.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 01:55:00 -
[4274] - Quote
After almost 10 years of playing this game, and yes reading posts for all those years, I decided to write in because of this matter.
First, I would like to say Eve is a great game and I continue to play because of CCP and their abilities to listen and provide great content on occasion. With that cudos out of the way let's get to the point
This year I watched all of Fanfest on live stream and after watching the Alliance Forum this year I must say I found it hard to be proud of the fact I have been a member of Eve Online for almost 10 years based on th actions I saw. I found the forum a waste of my time and it made me sick (or maybe sad is a better word here) to see all the things said and done during the forum event.
I found it sad that the big (and small) Alliances members of this forum felt the need to be drunk in public, use the F-bomb word, say any cuse words the could to grab attention from another forum member, and constantly and basically act like a member of Animal House during a public and streamed event. I love beer, the F-bomb, cusing, and the movie Animal House but there is a place and time that they are appropriate to use those things and act like a high school kid. Passing a bottle of booze around on stage and telling everyone how superior you are to them and telling people to get a life is not what the Forum was for. I thought I would learn something new as always watching this but all I learned is that some people think they are bigger than the game itself and find it funny to make fun of others and push them to the point of no return. Thats not right ad I guess people her agree.
During the broadcast I watched the CCP moderator just stand there but never step in which also pissed me off. I was so stupid and obvious the forum had become meaningless and was just a forum for where each member wanted to bolster his god-like image in Eve. It was obvious that bringing up a specific Eve plauer and calling them out was the wrong thing to do and Im glad CCP did something about it in the end. It was far too late though.
As for Mittens, it was wrong and claiming you dont remember saying waht you did and said that night is just a lame excuse and is no excuse.
Skinny, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life but it seems some people feel it is.
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Ai Shun
471
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:03:00 -
[4275] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Its already i the thread?
Odd you could miss the many eve 24 posts of the goon web page leak or all the pasterbins showing he was trying to weasle out of stepping down from csm by only stepping down from the chair and trying to stay in the CSM.
Really now. Your blind with rage or something that you missed that?
The Goon Web Page item:
Quote:When in Iceland, I stumbled: my presentation was boring, I was hideously drunk, and I said something entirely regrettable. My apology upon my return was not a troll (though our in-game enemies are trying to imply it is just a calculated move); as a maniacal control freak, me getting that drunk leaves me with a foul opinion of myself and I wish I hadnGÇÖt done as I had.
-- snip ---
After I fell on my sword in public in an act of honest contrition, anyone still holding a grudge about my presentation and making ****** posts about it is probably one of GSFGÇÖs ancient foes, or someone we blew up in Eve -Pnline. The same old rogueGÇÖs gallery is there GÇô all the same faces and their NPC alts who cry in each and every anti-Goonswarm thread, every goddamned day.
-- snip ---
This isnGÇÖt to say that I didnGÇÖt act like a jackass GÇô I fell on my sword for a good reason. But the media shitstorm is a nexus of several factors working together, accelerated by people who hate us in the game itself.
-- snip ---
I apologized personally to The Wis; There is no question that I went too far and drank too much, and ignored advice that I shouldnGÇÖt use that specific slide at all. Many of you disagree, and thatGÇÖs fine; as you know, IGÇÖm kind of a squishball in person rather than an internet hardman. That said, my apology to The Wis doesnGÇÖt extend towards the gaming media who are trying to make a quick buck by whoring traffic by dumping on me without actually investigating what took place, and that apology certainly doesnGÇÖt extend to hypocritical shitbags like Jade Constantine or Issler Dainze who are explicitly trying to use this controversy to further an ingame political agenda.
His Twitter said he would resign. It did not specify from what, which was perhaps a miscommunication and he should certainly have expected everyone to pick **** out of his words.
The Mittani wrote:Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Trust me - I was as disgusted by his behavior as you. But it is understandable that he wanted to discuss step 2 with the CSM and perhaps CCP, isn't it?
And now he has resigned as chairman, was removed from the CSM by CCP, donated all his ISK to The Wis and has been issued with a 30-day ban.
How much more do you want? Should he come groveling at your feet at your house and kiss your boots too?
I'm starting to see the point here - it is starting to seem as if some players are trying to use this controversy to further an ingame political agenda - either to get rid of the Goonswarm or to further their own political goals within EVE Online.
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TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
110
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:03:00 -
[4276] - Quote
Jita will burn.
My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Madame Fanney
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:06:00 -
[4277] - Quote
I find it humorous that GÇ£the GREAT mittaniGÇ¥ thinks he was thrown under the bus by CCP when he was the one who knew there was more scrutiny because Sony and Dust 514, but still decided make an ass out of eve and our community. Go ahead and blow Jita up, be mad at CCp Mittens but youGÇÖre the one who made the boo boo.
SNOT SNOT
look the goons are now the crying ones |
Tobin Shalim
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:15:00 -
[4278] - Quote
Get the f*ck out of the game and don't come back.
30 days is not enough you worm. How dare you mock someone in that fashion? Did it not cross your mind, EVER, that there are those of us that have had to live through that happening to a family member? Do you not know the rage I feel towards you right now? Do you even care? You got off lightly, far as I'm concerned. You should have been completely and totally tossed out of this game for this. You know how much bad **** that your little "funny" comment has dredged up for me? Did you think about that before you said it, or are you just going to use alcohol as a crutch?
Get the f*ck out.
Sincerely,
A player missing his brother. 8-13-10 |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
225
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:18:00 -
[4279] - Quote
One thing that seems to have escaped the members of Goonswarm and others is that the Mittani's actions at FF could potentially bring a media storm CCP 's way where the game itself could suffer from being the subject of widespread media damnation.
Imagine what would happen if the mainstream media decides to run with this where cyber-bullying and harrassment over the internet is gaining more and more political involvement. Then look at the fact that 13+ year old children are allowed to be involved in the game and the potential is there for CCP being literally forced to change the game or lose their Teen rating if nothing else.
The elements that make EVE Online unique need to remain within the game and not spill over into internet broadcasted RL events or the potential is there for us all to eventually wear the consequences by having the game become a watered down shadow of what it once was.
Mittens gave CCP no choice but to take the action that they have and if he cares at all for the game then he should respect that.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Ai Shun
474
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:23:00 -
[4280] - Quote
Tobin Shalim wrote:You know how much bad **** that your little "funny" comment has dredged up for me? Did you think about that before you said it, or are you just going to use alcohol as a crutch?
To the first question, no. To the second two - no, that was evident from what happened. And no to the last one, he has said alcohol was no excuse for this behaviour.
I am sorry to hear you lost your brother. I've lost family members through natural causes and that was hard enough; even years later. But the Mittani is not to blame for the memories and feelings you have of him. |
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Tobin Shalim
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:30:00 -
[4281] - Quote
No, but I blame him for his comment bringing up all the bad feelings that I've worked hard to suppress since his suicide. I had just gotten over thinking that it was my fault for not seeing or being able to stop him, and now I'm having to question that all over again.
Look, I still feel that he should be thrown out of the game forever for what he said, but I'm not going to cry on the forums here about what has happened, nor get dragged into a fight that I'll probably say something stupid; especially given how I feel right now. |
Elmerus Juniorus
Kill Injure Slash and Stomp Criminal Intent.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:31:00 -
[4282] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Krutoj wrote:And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales. With the two first points of your post I could live. But this one, sorry, is fail! Calling mental instable people "selfish" ... dude, you are realy close. Realy realy close! Don't copy made mistakes! Missing my point is what makes this fire burn, and Mittani's tin foil moment. People with depression need professional help and support of their relatives, not mining veldspar in Eve Online and claiming to want to kill themselves. Your posts still failed to generate any sympathy from me towards this carebear.
Lord save us from CSM members whose saving grace is being in alliances with enough members to push up their vote numbers. Well, I do know who next year I will not vote for
It's not about giving sympathy to someone who says he will commit suicide if his pixel ships are blown up. Yes, that person may or may not need professional help (let's let a real doctor decide that). It is about a person in a position of authority saying, intoxicated or otherwise, in a public televised event, "if you want to make the guy go kill himself, his name is The Wis, it's The Wis (spelled out)... He has his own corp. Find him.
"Will no-one rid me of this troublesome priest?" - words attributed to Henry II shortly before the murder of Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury by 4 knights who overheard the king and believed they were following a royal command
Sound familiar? |
Ai Shun
476
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:32:00 -
[4283] - Quote
Tobin Shalim wrote:Look, I still feel that he should be thrown out of the game forever for what he said, but I'm not going to cry on the forums here about what has happened, nor get dragged into a fight that I'll probably say something stupid; especially given how I feel right now.
Good call. Fly safe, mate. |
Jita Alt666
972
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:33:00 -
[4284] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Im going to be honest about this.
When he said he was going to step down on his twitter I thought. "OH he gets it" but then he tried to cling to his power desperately showing that he didnt actually care or reflect on what he did. Had he just stepped down from the CSM instead of trying to weasel his way out of it this would not have become the mess it became.
Thats when it became clear he had to go. Please post evidence of your assertion that he tried to cling to power and or weasel his way out of this. Its already i the thread? Odd you could miss the many eve 24 posts of the goon web page leak or all the pasterbins showing he was trying to weasle out of stepping down from csm by only stepping down from the chair and trying to stay in the CSM. Really now. Your blind with rage or something that you missed that?
This thread is full of conjecture masquerading as fact. Since he issued the apology, no where in this thread or in any other thread on any other forum have I seen a direct quote from The Mittani saying: I have decided not to resign. (clinging to power) Actually this is more CCP's fault, (weaselling way out)
Nor have I have seen anything from CCP indicating that course of events. Please note the Eve 24 leak/paste bin leak were written by the Mittani after his ban was initiated by CCP so did not contribute to the creation of the mess as you assert, but are irrelevant to your claims.
Heh. Why would I blind with rage that a drunken idiot who obviously broke the EULA terms and harassed a vulnerable player was punished by CCP? Oh wait that is another baseless assertion. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
499
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:34:00 -
[4285] - Quote
Elmerus Juniorus wrote:Krutoj wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Krutoj wrote:And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales. With the two first points of your post I could live. But this one, sorry, is fail! Calling mental instable people "selfish" ... dude, you are realy close. Realy realy close! Don't copy made mistakes! Missing my point is what makes this fire burn, and Mittani's tin foil moment. People with depression need professional help and support of their relatives, not mining veldspar in Eve Online and claiming to want to kill themselves. Your posts still failed to generate any sympathy from me towards this carebear. Lord save us from CSM members whose saving grace is being in alliances with enough members to push up their vote numbers. Well, I do know who next year I will not vote for It's not about giving sympathy to someone who says he will commit suicide if his pixel ships are blown up. Yes, that person may or may not need professional help (let's let a real doctor decide that). It is about a person in a position of authority saying, intoxicated or otherwise, in a public televised event, "if you want to make the guy go kill himself, his name is The Wis, it's The Wis (spelled out)... He has his own corp. Find him. "Will no-one rid me of this troublesome priest?" - words attributed to Henry II shortly before the murder of Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury by 4 knights who overheard the king and believed they were following a royal command Sound familiar?
You think the goons know their history? LOL.
Anyway im going to go buy some plex now that CCP has done the right thing. I support correct actions. This takes the bad juju ME3 had gave me. Thanks CCP. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:37:00 -
[4286] - Quote
Tobin Shalim wrote:No, but I blame him for his comment bringing up all the bad feelings that I've worked hard to suppress since his suicide. I had just gotten over thinking that it was my fault for not seeing or being able to stop him, and now I'm having to question that all over again.
Look, I still feel that he should be thrown out of the game forever for what he said, but I'm not going to cry on the forums here about what has happened, nor get dragged into a fight that I'll probably say something stupid; especially given how I feel right now.
I will not rest until The Mittani pays for the death of your brother! |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
20
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:39:00 -
[4287] - Quote
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then i think well we are people right? so no hard feelings..... |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:43:00 -
[4288] - Quote
Tobin Shalim wrote:No, but I blame him for his comment bringing up all the bad feelings that I've worked hard to suppress since his suicide. I had just gotten over thinking that it was my fault for not seeing or being able to stop him, and now I'm having to question that all over again.
Look, I still feel that he should be thrown out of the game forever for what he said, but I'm not going to cry on the forums here about what has happened, nor get dragged into a fight that I'll probably say something stupid; especially given how I feel right now.
The only thing Im getting from your random posts about your brother you somehow connect to Mittani is that it is ok to troll you on how your brother died otherwise why even bring such a personal thing up on the forums? You may as well admit to child **** or something and then expect nothing to happen. To not troll would be quite the crime. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
503
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:46:00 -
[4289] - Quote
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:One thing that seems to have escaped the members of Goonswarm and others is that the Mittani's actions at FF could potentially bring a media storm CCP 's way where the game itself could suffer from being the subject of widespread media damnation.
Imagine what would happen if the mainstream media decides to run with this where cyber-bullying and harrassment over the internet is gaining more and more political involvement. Then look at the fact that 13+ year old children are allowed to be involved in the game and the potential is there for CCP being literally forced to change the game or lose their Teen rating if nothing else.
The elements that make EVE Online unique need to remain within the game and not spill over into internet broadcasted RL events or the potential is there for us all to eventually wear the consequences by having the game become a watered down shadow of what it once was.
Mittens gave CCP no choice but to take the action that they have and if he cares at all for the game then he should respect that.
Your assuming the Goons can see the big picture.
The goons have a very myopic goon centered world view. Part of what you get from the SA community. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:48:00 -
[4290] - Quote
Kaldaine wrote:Tobin Shalim wrote:No, but I blame him for his comment bringing up all the bad feelings that I've worked hard to suppress since his suicide. I had just gotten over thinking that it was my fault for not seeing or being able to stop him, and now I'm having to question that all over again.
Look, I still feel that he should be thrown out of the game forever for what he said, but I'm not going to cry on the forums here about what has happened, nor get dragged into a fight that I'll probably say something stupid; especially given how I feel right now. The only thing Im getting from your random posts about your brother you somehow connect to Mittani is that it is ok to troll you on how your brother died otherwise why even bring such a personal thing up on the forums? You may as well admit to child **** or something and then expect nothing to happen. To not troll would be quite the crime.
This is really too ludicrous to post about. I will have to stick to killing your space brothers in game I guess. |
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Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
21
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:48:00 -
[4291] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:And now he has resigned as chairman, was removed from the CSM by CCP, donated all his ISK to The Wis and has been issued with a 30-day ban.
How much more do you want? Should he come groveling at your feet at your house and kiss your boots too?
I'm inclined to agree. Enough is enough.
Yes, the dude messed up. And yeah, he's probably not the kind of person I would hang out with, and had he met me the feeling would likely be mutual. But seriously, what more do you guys want? To see him crucified in effigy in front of Jita 4-4?
And even if he is permanently banned, so what? He can always come back with another character. So what's the point in any further whining?
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Jita Alt666
973
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:48:00 -
[4292] - Quote
Elmerus Juniorus wrote:
"Will no-one rid me of this troublesome priest?" - words attributed to Henry II shortly before the murder of Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury by 4 knights who overheard the king and believed they were following a royal command
Sound familiar?
Wow oh Wow: 1. H2 and TB had been at each others throat for literally decades with both residing in exile in foreign countries for extended periods of time. 2. The "prize" in their battle was control over England and parts of France. H2 and TB personified the Battle between Church and Crown. 3. The murder of TB resulted in the widespread uprising of religious masses that began the process of segregation between church and state.
Please, please, do not belittle this amazing piece of anglo-saxon history that had repercussions across the globe by attempting to algin it between a drunk Internet Spaceship Pilot who gives an audience a previously unknown Internet Spaceship Pilots name and encourages others to help him commit suicide. There are parallels but this is not history in the making. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
426
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Posted - 2012.03.29 02:49:00 -
[4293] - Quote
as everyone in the world i wanted to be in this massive threadnaught full of feelings. |
Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:08:00 -
[4294] - Quote
Inc spike wrote:I actually just LOST respect for you posting this apology. You know damn well you don't mean it, and anyone who can't handle some "cyber bullying" doesn't need to be playing EVE.
We all know this is political ass kissing for CCP and Mittani, to reduce backlash from media.
I mean, WTF happened to the CCP motto of "Harden the *uck Up"
Making a comment about the person is one thing, but doing that AND telling people who it was (whilst also telling others to target that person) is beyond the "Harden up" style of EVE.
If Mitt had just made the remark about the person, without telling people to abuse the person and without giving the name out, I'd agree with you...however Mitt crossed that line.
There is a difference between telling people to toughen up and trying to destroy them. And it IS against the EULA to do that sort of thing anyways, so CCP is just following their own rules. It would have been worse if Mitt had been allowed to get away with it, much worse. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:21:00 -
[4295] - Quote
Hello thread... How goes ye? |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
507
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:22:00 -
[4296] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Hello thread... How goes ye?
Very well, we now know where the limit of HTFU is. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:24:00 -
[4297] - Quote
Kaldaine wrote:The only thing Im getting from your random posts about your brother you somehow connect to Mittani is that it is ok to troll you on how your brother died otherwise why even bring such a personal thing up on the forums? You may as well admit to child **** or something and then expect nothing to happen. To not troll would be quite the crime.
Obviously you have never been accused of being a Rhodes scholar. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:29:00 -
[4298] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Hello thread... How goes ye? Very well, we now know where the limit of HTFU is. Alright! Must've been hard work,needed to be done though. Lawl |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:29:00 -
[4299] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Hello thread... How goes ye?
We are doing fine citizen, how about yourself? |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
12
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:32:00 -
[4300] - Quote
This is exactly why no goonswarm should be allowed to be csm ever again. This guy represents what goonswarm is about, being immature inconsiderate kids.
If another goonswarm gets into csm, I swear eve will drown. |
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:35:00 -
[4301] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Hello thread... How goes ye? We are doing fine citizen, how about yourself? Oh m doin great,ty sir. |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:37:00 -
[4302] - Quote
GreasyCarl Semah wrote:Kaldaine wrote:The only thing Im getting from your random posts about your brother you somehow connect to Mittani is that it is ok to troll you on how your brother died otherwise why even bring such a personal thing up on the forums? You may as well admit to child **** or something and then expect nothing to happen. To not troll would be quite the crime. Obviously you have never been accused of being a Rhodes scholar.
Please sir, there's no place for personal attacks here, take it to game if you have a problem and I will see you in space.
:snypa: |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
511
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:38:00 -
[4303] - Quote
Elvis Preslie wrote:This is exactly why no goonswarm should be allowed to be csm ever again. This guy represents what goonswarm is about, being immature inconsiderate kids.
If another goonswarm gets into csm, I swear eve will drown.
I mean seriously, look at the post above mine; this guy is calling people "citizen" like they're better than others, biggotry.
This entire THREAD is of goonswarm putting down other people; what the hell. As if they hadnt been repremanded enough. Apparently not; I call for the executor corp of goonswarm to be banned for this.
http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
He says 30 day ban is meaningless and that CCP tossed him under the bus.
What a jack off.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:38:00 -
[4304] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Lenrir Andven wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Hello thread... How goes ye? We are doing fine citizen, how about yourself? Oh m doin great,ty sir. Excellent news. I am about to hit the sack, damm them pesky time zones! Just hoping that by tommorow all of these threads stay as they are, though I doubt it will. I hear ya about tzs... I just woke up! Yeh, m guessing you're right and it will be taken down. Was a fun run though. |
Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:40:00 -
[4305] - Quote
Elvis Preslie wrote:This is exactly why no goonswarm should be allowed to be csm ever again. This guy represents what goonswarm is about, being immature inconsiderate kids.
If another goonswarm gets into csm, I swear eve will drown.
I mean seriously, look at the post above mine; this guy is calling people "citizen" like they're better than others, biggotry.
This entire THREAD is of goonswarm putting down other people; what the hell. As if they hadnt been repremanded enough. Apparently not; I call for the executor corp of goonswarm to be banned for this.
It gets better though El, Test has wardeced the guy Mittani was making fun off. The CFC is actually trying to do what Mitt told them to. If Mitt was really sorry for what he said, he wouldn't let Test go wardec the guy. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
511
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:43:00 -
[4306] - Quote
Skyreth wrote:Elvis Preslie wrote:This is exactly why no goonswarm should be allowed to be csm ever again. This guy represents what goonswarm is about, being immature inconsiderate kids.
If another goonswarm gets into csm, I swear eve will drown.
I mean seriously, look at the post above mine; this guy is calling people "citizen" like they're better than others, biggotry.
This entire THREAD is of goonswarm putting down other people; what the hell. As if they hadnt been repremanded enough. Apparently not; I call for the executor corp of goonswarm to be banned for this. It gets better though El, Test has wardeced the guy Mittani was making fun off. The CFC is actually trying to do what Mitt told them to. If Mitt was really sorry for what he said, he wouldn't let Test go wardec the guy.
Dude listen to this recording. http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
hes a monster. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Foodpimp
Heaven's Harvesters LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:44:00 -
[4307] - Quote
I think the biggest transgression here, is that we know the boy simply can't hold his liquor. And that, in and of itself, is simply inexcusable. |
Tiberius Patterson
Clan Hyena Axiom Solaris
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:47:00 -
[4308] - Quote
I f-ing despise The Mittani. I do. I hate all of you Goonie bastards and I hope you all get ganked by the rest of the EVE community. That being said, however, those are my feelings as my in-game persona. I think it took a lot of balls for The Mittani to write that apology and even more to post his real name. He f-ed up, he paid the price, it's done. With any luck, he's learned something from this and it won't repeat. And by "he" I mean the real life individual behind the villainous Mittani. |
Jita Alt666
974
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:50:00 -
[4309] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Elvis Preslie wrote:This is exactly why no goonswarm should be allowed to be csm ever again. This guy represents what goonswarm is about, being immature inconsiderate kids.
If another goonswarm gets into csm, I swear eve will drown.
I mean seriously, look at the post above mine; this guy is calling people "citizen" like they're better than others, biggotry.
This entire THREAD is of goonswarm putting down other people; what the hell. As if they hadnt been repremanded enough. Apparently not; I call for the executor corp of goonswarm to be banned for this. http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-marchHe says 30 day ban is meaningless and that CCP tossed him under the bus. What a jack off.
He also says he knows he screwed up. He also says apology was sincere He also says that he wishes he could take it back
I like how you skipped a response on the last page. |
Caimeka
Handelskrieg Industries Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 03:52:00 -
[4310] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Skyreth wrote:Elvis Preslie wrote:This is exactly why no goonswarm should be allowed to be csm ever again. This guy represents what goonswarm is about, being immature inconsiderate kids.
If another goonswarm gets into csm, I swear eve will drown.
I mean seriously, look at the post above mine; this guy is calling people "citizen" like they're better than others, biggotry.
This entire THREAD is of goonswarm putting down other people; what the hell. As if they hadnt been repremanded enough. Apparently not; I call for the executor corp of goonswarm to be banned for this. It gets better though El, Test has wardeced the guy Mittani was making fun off. The CFC is actually trying to do what Mitt told them to. If Mitt was really sorry for what he said, he wouldn't let Test go wardec the guy. Dude listen to this recording. http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-marchhes a monster.
And you're a sperg lord shitposter? Probably one of the actual monsters who threatened to Kill his ******* wife and dog over some pixels |
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Tiberius Patterson
Clan Hyena Axiom Solaris
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 03:52:00 -
[4311] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Elvis Preslie wrote:This is exactly why no goonswarm should be allowed to be csm ever again. This guy represents what goonswarm is about, being immature inconsiderate kids.
If another goonswarm gets into csm, I swear eve will drown.
I mean seriously, look at the post above mine; this guy is calling people "citizen" like they're better than others, biggotry.
This entire THREAD is of goonswarm putting down other people; what the hell. As if they hadnt been repremanded enough. Apparently not; I call for the executor corp of goonswarm to be banned for this. http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-marchHe says 30 day ban is meaningless and that CCP tossed him under the bus. What a jack off. He also says he knows he screwed up. He also says apology was sincere He also says that he wishes he could take it back I like how you skipped a response on the last page.
I despise all of Goonswarm but I took the time to listen to his speech. To all you people who are saying he's being insincere and trolling...he isn't. |
Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
9
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 03:54:00 -
[4312] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Skyreth wrote:Elvis Preslie wrote:This is exactly why no goonswarm should be allowed to be csm ever again. This guy represents what goonswarm is about, being immature inconsiderate kids.
If another goonswarm gets into csm, I swear eve will drown.
I mean seriously, look at the post above mine; this guy is calling people "citizen" like they're better than others, biggotry.
This entire THREAD is of goonswarm putting down other people; what the hell. As if they hadnt been repremanded enough. Apparently not; I call for the executor corp of goonswarm to be banned for this. It gets better though El, Test has wardeced the guy Mittani was making fun off. The CFC is actually trying to do what Mitt told them to. If Mitt was really sorry for what he said, he wouldn't let Test go wardec the guy. Dude listen to this recording. http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-marchhes a monster.
Yeah, no. He does sound sincere about stuffing up, but his coalition is making it worse for him |
Rammix
FreeWorkers
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 03:58:00 -
[4313] - Quote
I'm a 'carebear' too, but in his place I would not react so. You wanna kill me, you can? Fine, it's a game in the end. If you can't stand in-game agression, if you're SOOO sensitive to it - then just don't play online games, especially eve online. Otherwise you will always be the primary target for griefers and scammers. And. The key principle in the internets and in eve is - "DO NOT FEED A TROLL". OpenSUSE 12.1, wine 1.4 |
wurblewind
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:05:00 -
[4314] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Skyreth wrote:Elvis Preslie wrote:This is exactly why no goonswarm should be allowed to be csm ever again. This guy represents what goonswarm is about, being immature inconsiderate kids.
If another goonswarm gets into csm, I swear eve will drown.
I mean seriously, look at the post above mine; this guy is calling people "citizen" like they're better than others, biggotry.
This entire THREAD is of goonswarm putting down other people; what the hell. As if they hadnt been repremanded enough. Apparently not; I call for the executor corp of goonswarm to be banned for this. It gets better though El, Test has wardeced the guy Mittani was making fun off. The CFC is actually trying to do what Mitt told them to. If Mitt was really sorry for what he said, he wouldn't let Test go wardec the guy. Dude listen to this recording. http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-marchhes a monster.
That's quite enough.
Obviously there is a large population on this cluster just a bit too thick headed to understand the difference between an in-game character and a real person who just needs to lay off the brennivin.
On the topic of Goonswarm members killing eve, this misconception has been running amok since the day The Mittani took the Chair in CSM6. Despite my own misgivings about his particular gaming style (let's be honest, who doesn't hate CFC), I believe he's run a good tight ship in getting the Council recognised, something that hadn't happened since, well, it's founding. Furthermore, I'm pretty certain that the whole victory speech was from that character's perspective, not that of the man behind it. It truly saddens me that there are so many simpletons who can't see past some drunken metagaming.
Oh, and on the note of the miner, he's probably sitting at his desk, laughing at us all for having this mindless debate.
I must admit, I personally didn't vote for The Mittani, as to be honest I believe his work at getting the CSM the recognition it needs was done. He and I have never met, in-game or out, so I probably have no business defending someone who would likely gank me on sight in-game. I, however, do respect his ability to man up and confess his fault, and commend the extreme lengths he's went to to make amends, and find it utterly deplorable that so many of you find it nothing more than simply saving face, especially those of you who do so for their own gain.
Mittani, I didn't vote for you, I hardly know you outside of your shady reputation, and I agree on you abdicating the Chair. I also agree, however, for you staying on as a regular member, simply because you have rocks, per se, to keep the course true.. o7
-Keep low, fly fast, die well. |
Ai Shun
480
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:06:00 -
[4315] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:He also says he knows he screwed up. He also says apology was sincere He also says that he wishes he could take it back
I like how you skipped a response on the last page.
People will only hear what their agenda wants them to push. |
Ceci Mariz
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:07:00 -
[4316] - Quote
Welp!
This is what happens when you let a goon go outside.
First, there was Lowtax VS Uwe Boll.
Now, this.
I wonder what-¦s next for them.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:11:00 -
[4317] - Quote
This is now officially an IBTL thread. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
519
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 04:14:00 -
[4318] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:He also says he knows he screwed up. He also says apology was sincere He also says that he wishes he could take it back
I like how you skipped a response on the last page. People will only hear what their agenda wants them to push.
He says CCP threw him under the bus.
He was the one on stage wanting people to push someone to suicide.
Yeah Totally sincere when someone pushed blame onto others for their own misdeeds and wont own them.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Devona Dawn
XII Legion Alternative Realities
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:22:00 -
[4319] - Quote
I have to wonder how many of these npc alts are from darius... mittani did make a mistake, yes.. mittani did make an apology, yes... mittani is getting banned for a month, yes... should mittani leave the csm? No... this csm was actually making changes that improved the game. Dont let politics destroy our game play!!! |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
520
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:22:00 -
[4320] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:He says his apology was genuine but he still wats to 'test the waters'. hmmz
He is a liar. What else is new. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
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Walter Wite
Spectre Arms
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:23:00 -
[4321] - Quote
Who cares about your apology
You should be permaban and removed from the csm.
Taking anything out of the game and into the real world of this nature is foul and morally low. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
520
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 04:24:00 -
[4322] - Quote
Devona Dawn wrote:I have to wonder how many of these npc alts are from darius... mittani did make a mistake, yes.. mittani did make an apology, yes... mittani is getting banned for a month, yes... should mittani leave the csm? No... this csm was actually making changes that improved the game. Dont let politics destroy our game play!!!
Im sorry the CSM is a representation of the players.
The players are the ones changing the game. The CSM just narrow the focus a bit. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Cunanium
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:25:00 -
[4323] - Quote
I don't think the full legal implications of what mittens did have fully sunk in yet..
There are currently individuals pending criminal charges in the United States over posting video of an individual kissing another man, that individual later committing suicide.
If The Wiz actually committed suicide because his mackinaws were pursued mercilessly by individuals intent on making him kill himself, jokingly or not, would mittens be facing criminal charges? The fact that he was joking does not matter, the fact that he was drunk is irrelevant. When someone is accused of ****, saying "I was drunk" is not a valid defense. The individuals charged with the suicide mentioned above made public apologies and said "We didn't intend for him to kill himself.
Now the real question is; is someone who would advocate, even jokingly (jokingly is a context to be taken by the individual watching the presentation, not the presenter), that people pursue a player to make himself commit suicide worthy of any place of leadership? Questions to ponder
Mittani, you are a disgusting individual. The fact that you would get a pleasure out of griefing someone to the point that they commit suicide, or the idea of someone committing suicide from griefing, is abhorrent. Completely disregarding that fact that you were drunk during the presentation, you put those slides together, including an individual speaking about deep depression and suicide, and presented them in a mocking fashion. Seriously think about what you would have done if that guy had committed suicide. In truth you probably never would have found out, since his subscription would have just ended, and the player would have left the game forever. The goons would have chalked it up as another victory "Ha, we ****** with him so bad he QUIT the game!!!" not knowing he actually quit his life
The individuals saying that there is nothing wrong with your posts need to take a serious step back and consider what their morals and values are. To quote many goons defending your comments, "This is a game", exactly, we're here to have fun, sometimes in a frustrating and infuriating way. Death IRL should never be brought into that mix
Now, lets get back to blowing up internet space ships.
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Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 04:25:00 -
[4324] - Quote
Kajurei Delainen wrote:I'll admit I watched The Mittani at FanFest CSM panel with disgust - he's a total douche bag. I'm not in his alliance, so I don't follow him.
Listening to Mittani on mumble comms tonight, reinforced that Mittani is not a person worth following. Instead of listening to those that told him he is wrong in his personal behavior and treatment of others, firing him from the CSM panel and banning him from the game. He instead makes the decision to lash out at the game, and orders his alliance to attack players in Jita.
His actions could cause people to quit eve, as they would think that CCP would allow the game to spiral out of control and allow hundreds of players to destroy everything within reach in the trade hub. If people quit the game - we won't have a game to play, hurting all of us.
It's self-destructive behavior - he destroyed his reputation, hurt the reputations of the CSM and CCP, and now looks to hurt the reputation of his own alliance. All of it because he advocated destroying a person through harrassing him to commit suicide.
It's not funny, it never was. Don't follow someone off a cliff - as his actions are clearly self-destructive.
The Mittani should quit eve, not out of rage, but out of guilt. Goonswarm started playing eve with the intent to wreck it, and they have, just like they did in the last game they set out to wreck. The Mittani has wrecked Eve-online's reputation with his vulgar displays on broadcast TV.
He has nothing to be proud of, nothing to show for his self-destructive behavior, absolutely nothing, and will be missed by no one.
1st- I don't like what Goon does either, ruining the game is rather annoying and I love eve, so I find it rather insulting.
That being said, the attack on Jita is just their way of seeing how CCP reacts to them. Personally, I'm interested in how EVE as a whole reacts to the attack. Keep in mind, nearly every player in EVE uses Jita at some stage...or is reliant on Jita, at the very least.
Although I could point out the flaws in the plans to attack Jita, I can also understand why they feel they need to do something to see what CCP will do. Though I personally believe CCP has done the right thing and any actions the CFC takes does not represent the beliefs of the rest of EVE. It's just the CFC needing a way to express themselves in the only way they know how, by causing trouble for everyone (although the more they act out, the more satisfied I am...cause come on, its Goon tears...how could I not love it?).
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PokupatelMax
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:27:00 -
[4325] - Quote
Wow...that was a lot of stuff to read. Here is what I take out of it. Do people really want this game become mediocre just like every other one out there? Do we want CCP regulate what people can and can not say? I would much rather get a group of people and go blow a f...er up. This was the game I liked. If all of you people hate Goons, form up and kill them.
@CCP, Corporate political correctness will kill you. You will simply become another fail Sony experiment. Keep universe a place where players shape the outcome, not Sony's PR department.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:27:00 -
[4326] - Quote
Devona Dawn wrote:I have to wonder how many of these npc alts are from darius... mittani did make a mistake, yes.. mittani did make an apology, yes... mittani is getting banned for a month, yes... should mittani leave the csm? No... this csm was actually making changes that improved the game. Dont let politics destroy our game play!!! Haha... D3 doesn't control me and the other hundreds of NPC alt who po....ASSUMING CONTROL |
Voith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:27:00 -
[4327] - Quote
Hey Mittens, this is why I said you were ******** for apologizing.
Apologies only work if the opposition is based in actual offense from the incident, not if it is meta-game driven. You were right in your speech, don't show weakness.
Also, if anyone critizes this post I will take it as harassment and file a report with the FBI, CSI, NSA, CIA, FOX News, Mi5 and Our Lord and Savoir Tim Tebow himself. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:28:00 -
[4328] - Quote
PokupatelMax wrote: where players shape the outcome, not Sony's PR department.
Exactly what happened here :shrug:
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Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:30:00 -
[4329] - Quote
Devona Dawn wrote:I have to wonder how many of these npc alts are from darius... mittani did make a mistake, yes.. mittani did make an apology, yes... mittani is getting banned for a month, yes... should mittani leave the csm? No... this csm was actually making changes that improved the game. Dont let politics destroy our game play!!!
Personally, and I know you feel differently, I don't want someone who tries to push people into suicide representing me. No matter if he meant it as a joke, he still did it...and Test is actually following it up by wardeccing the guy as we speak. So yeah, I don't want someone with that flawed of a moral basis representing me, nor being the more public face of EVE players.
Also, I support and will help defend the guy Mitt made fun of. I might be alone, but at least I have my self-respect.
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Vespa Orebane
Tempered Logic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:36:00 -
[4330] - Quote
@ the OP
That took balls to post. For that you have some small measure respect from me.
As for the rest of the thread... TL;DR |
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Coda Grimoire
Occupy Love
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:39:00 -
[4331] - Quote
Thank you for stepping aside under the circumstances.
Welcome to politics. We all know you are kinda bullshitting. You say you didn't realize what you did...well until the **** hit the fan. You have given a "politically" acceptable apology, like any politician., after the outcry.
I don't think you took your awful real self into this game and your play attitude will continue.
The huge f-up was being so far into your griefing gameplay that you were totally blind to the fact that you were representing EVE on film and to anyone who was watching.
You weren't playing to the world or your political role, you were performing for your boys. You took the game into real life and hammered the bejeebus out of your victims.
One of the great things about DUST514, is that it will burn all that energy that is now being put to sadism. EVE is not fast enough for lots of players who really love the game. The griefing bubble is a reaction to the game being slower than the twitchy DUST will be...this should really self organize once we have the entire eve/dust world rockin it. We need both sides, right?
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Testerxnot Sheepherder
DeadHeads - Question Authority Crew
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:40:00 -
[4332] - Quote
Vespa Orebane wrote:@ the OP
That took balls to post. For that you have some small measure respect from me.
ur respect = profoundly desired |
Cunanium
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:41:00 -
[4333] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:Am surprised Alex got into **** about some drunk stunt he pulled off at the appropriate place for it. As far as the footage goes, it could have went up with the name being covered up and beeped, seeing as it somewhat violated privacy or something.
I frankly dont see what Alex did wrong, if I would believe every person who claimed to be suicidle on the Internet, to be true, well that just makes the numbers close to population of New Zealand.
And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales.
You are surprised that he got in trouble for saying "So if you want to make this guy go kill himself, here is his name. Go find him"
Hello?
People are being charged in a criminal case for causing a guy to commit suicide, not directly intending for him to commit suicide, but their actions resulting in his death. Mittens told people to go grief a guy to make him kill himself.
Now, never mind the legal implications of that, consider the PR problems with this. CCP now looks like a company that supports bullying to the point that people harm themselves, which is very... counteractive to making money, especially in a country such as the United States where actions similar to this are being met with sever punishments.
What mittens said is abhorrent as a human being, and more importantly to CCP since he is the public face of the gaming population, is attracting loads of bad PR. |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
525
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 04:45:00 -
[4334] - Quote
Cunanium wrote:I don't think the full legal implications of what mittens did have fully sunk in yet..
There are currently individuals pending criminal charges in the United States over posting video of an individual kissing another man, that individual later committing suicide.
If The Wiz actually committed suicide because his mackinaws were pursued mercilessly by individuals intent on making him kill himself, jokingly or not, would mittens be facing criminal charges? The fact that he was joking does not matter, the fact that he was drunk is irrelevant. When someone is accused of ****, saying "I was drunk" is not a valid defense. The individuals charged with the suicide mentioned above made public apologies and said "We didn't intend for him to kill himself.
Now the real question is; is someone who would advocate, even jokingly (jokingly is a context to be taken by the individual watching the presentation, not the presenter), that people pursue a player to make himself commit suicide worthy of any place of leadership? Questions to ponder
Mittani, you are a disgusting individual. The fact that you would get a pleasure out of griefing someone to the point that they commit suicide, or the idea of someone committing suicide from griefing, is abhorrent. Completely disregarding that fact that you were drunk during the presentation, you put those slides together, including an individual speaking about deep depression and suicide, and presented them in a mocking fashion. Seriously think about what you would have done if that guy had committed suicide. In truth you probably never would have found out, since his subscription would have just ended, and the player would have left the game forever. The goons would have chalked it up as another victory "Ha, we ****** with him so bad he QUIT the game!!!" not knowing he actually quit his life
The individuals saying that there is nothing wrong with your posts need to take a serious step back and consider what their morals and values are. To quote many goons defending your comments, "This is a game", exactly, we're here to have fun, sometimes in a frustrating and infuriating way. Death IRL should never be brought into that mix
Now, lets get back to blowing up internet space ships.
Yeah there is a lot CCP needs to take a long hard look at with respect to the game. They are managing a social media platform as much as a game.
The goons mentality which might have been cute 3 years ago needs to be looked at again.
Especially how much they as entitled goon pubbies have been acting in defense of something indefensible.
And then that recording of mittens doubling down on stupid and still trying to act like hes space king was pricelessly funny. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish into thin air. |
Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
11
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:47:00 -
[4335] - Quote
Cunanium wrote:Krutoj wrote:Am surprised Alex got into **** about some drunk stunt he pulled off at the appropriate place for it. As far as the footage goes, it could have went up with the name being covered up and beeped, seeing as it somewhat violated privacy or something.
I frankly dont see what Alex did wrong, if I would believe every person who claimed to be suicidle on the Internet, to be true, well that just makes the numbers close to population of New Zealand.
And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales. You are surprised that he got in trouble for saying "So if you want to make this guy go kill himself, here is his name. Go find him" Hello? People are being charged in a criminal case for causing a guy to commit suicide, not directly intending for him to commit suicide, but their actions resulting in his death. Mittens told people to go grief a guy to make him kill himself. Now, never mind the legal implications of that, consider the PR problems with this. CCP now looks like a company that supports bullying to the point that people harm themselves, which is very... counteractive to making money, especially in a country such as the United States where actions similar to this are being met with sever punishments. What mittens said is abhorrent as a human being, and more importantly to CCP since he is the public face of the gaming population, is attracting loads of bad PR.
Don't worry about Krutoj, Cunanium. The basis of his argument is flawed because he didn't read what happened. It was a LIVE feed. No one could have beeped out the name or anything, because it was a real time feed. He is also trying to call out the guy suffering from depression...I mean, come on...that shows he is lacking in both morals and intelligence.
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Misato Katsuragi
Bellum Aeternus En Garde
16
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:48:00 -
[4336] - Quote
Cunanium wrote:Krutoj wrote:Am surprised Alex got into **** about some drunk stunt he pulled off at the appropriate place for it. As far as the footage goes, it could have went up with the name being covered up and beeped, seeing as it somewhat violated privacy or something.
I frankly dont see what Alex did wrong, if I would believe every person who claimed to be suicidle on the Internet, to be true, well that just makes the numbers close to population of New Zealand.
And just like the church, I disapprove of any suicidle tendencies and I be damned if I should feel pity for those selfish people who do it or claim to want to do it, and I suggest the person who complained about this case to re-evaluate his morales. You are surprised that he got in trouble for saying "So if you want to make this guy go kill himself, here is his name. Go find him" Hello? People are being charged in a criminal case for causing a guy to commit suicide, not directly intending for him to commit suicide, but their actions resulting in his death. Mittens told people to go grief a guy to make him kill himself. Now, never mind the legal implications of that, consider the PR problems with this. CCP now looks like a company that supports bullying to the point that people harm themselves, which is very... counteractive to making money, especially in a country such as the United States where actions similar to this are being met with sever punishments. What mittens said is abhorrent as a human being, and more importantly to CCP since he is the public face of the gaming population, is attracting loads of bad PR.
Honestly, I don't think people realize the implications of this type of stuff. Goon has always rode on the line of what is considered "just a game" and "real life." They have probably crossed the line here, and this is could easily get a lot worse. People have been prosecuted for a lot less, and it's not great mystery to anyone who briefly watches the news, "cyber bullying" isn't something people shouldn't take lightly anymore.
If CCP was smart they would quickly segregate themselves from this guy and ban him out right from the game. As interesting of a concept as this may sound, if someone was found to have committed suicide and "EVE" was involved, I can sure you this would show up in some sort of legal preceding.
Time to get your heads out of your asses people: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0222/Tyler-Clementi-and-cyberbullying-how-courts-ruled-in-five-other-cases/United-States-v.-Lori-Drew-2008 |
Dread Zeppe
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 04:49:00 -
[4337] - Quote
Speaking strictly from an unbiased view, why is anyone surprised some socially awkward gaming nerd made a socially awkward comment at some random nerd fest? Yea he was drunk, off of nerd vibes from his fellow nerdlings. Nerds. |
Kajurei Delainen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:04:00 -
[4338] - Quote
Preview: Quote: WeGÇÖre up to three stalkers following me around. -àomeone posted about how they should kill my dog. My wife is unamused, and thinks that dropping the Chairman the title will allow me to have a lower profile that doesnGÇÖt see us getting death threats on a weekly basis or nailed to a cross in the media by our in-game foes.
from his own words on : http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
You think the guy would somewhere along the line figure out that what he is doing is wrong, that he is causing all of his own problems.
Nope, he's with stupid, driving off the cliff.
Besides Mittani, no one cares you say you gave up CSM7 chairmanship - you don't have it, and you weren't going to get it anyway, so you can't give up something you don't have.
Also, The Mittani didn't fall on any sword. He didn't sacrifice anything of himself. What he did do was advocate cyber-bullying, attempting to get people to push someone to commit suicide through the internet. The Mittani seeks to use words as a weapon, to make others feel pain, to some how make up for his own sorry existence and moral depravity. |
Weiss Wakefield
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:10:00 -
[4339] - Quote
I'm still reeling from The "The Drunken Devil Himself" Mittani's scathing comments regarding my headphones and choice of hairstyle. I may have played it off cool, but I can honestly say that I went home and wept for hours. |
Vila eNorvic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:28:00 -
[4340] - Quote
Lazareth Toxin wrote:Don't really understand why you was banned or resigned, your comments were not in game and were in a casual forum which could easily be equated to a bar...which we all know what happens there, we drink, we tell stories and we blow-off stream. What strange bars you must have where you live. It was broadcast on world-wide Internet, ffs.
Jita Alt666 wrote:Please, please, do not belittle this amazing piece of anglo-saxon history that had repercussions across the globe by attempting to algin it between a drunk Internet Spaceship Pilot who gives an audience a previously unknown Internet Spaceship Pilots name and encourages others to help him commit suicide. There are parallels but this is not history in the making. Anglo-Saxon???????
You shouldn't be commenting on history if you're that ignorant of it.
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Dirty Weegie
Posthuman Society Enclave.
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:51:00 -
[4341] - Quote
wow.. thats alot of posts
Heres my 2 cents
We all do stupid **** we regret when drunk.. i dont like goons but end of the day its just a game
He said hes sorry so and he got punished..
lets stop the witch hunt before it gets silly If you can't win fair... Cheat |
Vila eNorvic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:57:00 -
[4342] - Quote
Dirty Weegie wrote:wow.. thats alot of posts Why not try reading some of them? |
Sabarka Severasse
Brotherhood of Intergalactic Celestrial Knights CELESTIAL ORDER RISING PHEONIX
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:04:00 -
[4343] - Quote
Although I do not agree with his public call for harassment of another player and I think a sincere public apology is most definitely required as penance. Further than that... CCP organizes and produces these 'open' forums, they had knowledge in advance of the background/topic of the discussion and yet they still allowed a very drunk player who orchestrated the so called 'undesirable events' for this depressed player to host.... Honestly did you expect rainbows and butterflies or an intoxicated 'spotlighted' player to comment as his in game alt. whom he's infamous for? |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
545
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:34:00 -
[4344] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Im going to be honest about this.
When he said he was going to step down on his twitter I thought. "OH he gets it" but then he tried to cling to his power desperately showing that he didnt actually care or reflect on what he did. Had he just stepped down from the CSM instead of trying to weasel his way out of it this would not have become the mess it became.
Thats when it became clear he had to go.
Also
You were not disfranchised you got to vote.
Your boy blew it for you.
take it up with him.
Alternates exist or a reason. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Rammix
FreeWorkers
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:47:00 -
[4345] - Quote
"Goons ruining the game"? Wtf? Without 'evil people' eve would become a stupid game. If someone wishes to hunt for slowpokes - let him do it as much as he can. If you want peacefully move pixels on your screen staying in total safety in-game - do not undock. If you can't understand what I'm talking about, then you've chosen the wrong game. If you have weak nerves, online games are not for you. Because you will always be facing very different people. Even more, you should consider avoiding any heavily populated internet resources which are not premoderated. I'm serious. Internet gives much more freedom in communication than real life - if you can't accept that then avoid. But never whine, no one gives a f*** about your whining, I assure you. OpenSUSE 12.1, wine 1.4 |
Mallikanth
L V B Industries
56
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:54:00 -
[4346] - Quote
Well the result is pretty much as expected (at least in my opinion).
There is no denying he slipped up (to put it mildly) at Fanfest and he's apologized to the person and to the community. There is no more to say on that really. That won't stop people who like to wallow in drama of course.
Mittens is right about wearing Multiple Hats (and no, he's not referring to the Wizard hat ) being not compatible between who he represents and the role of CSM / CSM Chair and who he represents in Game. But that hadn't stopped the excellent work put in my CSM6.
CSM7 need to put up a united front and have a strong, effective Chairman ASAP, make a statement (If they haven't already) and move on - As do we all.
On a personal note I think CSM6 did an outstanding job.
Believe in what they do, not what they say. Occasionally posts stuff as @Hamerhead
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Darker Domain
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:58:00 -
[4347] - Quote
ccp you are so terrible |
Death Killer21
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
10
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Posted - 2012.03.29 06:59:00 -
[4348] - Quote
Darker Domain wrote:ccp you are so terrible
How?????????????
They were good to remove him, he broke the law and broke the eula. Goons ar all the same, complate childish idiots Death killer21
Caldari and amarr Mission service.-á Contact me for more info |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
552
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:01:00 -
[4349] - Quote
Goons form and us vs them situation for years.
Then wonder where it went wrong when no one is on their side.
Lulz. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Vampir Draken
Street Birds
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:03:00 -
[4350] - Quote
Helicity Boson wrote:Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. You need to stop pushing your personal agenda and dislike for Alex as a person using an honest actual drama as ammo mate. It's unsightly, obvious and not nearly subtle enough for my approval.
I don't think someone who themselves has been banned for breaking the eula and who swore they would never return to eve is really someone worth listening to, especially when we see the lousy way your character also treats the mining community so please stop creeping around fellow mining bashers and crawl back under your stone.
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
555
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:05:00 -
[4351] - Quote
Also I find it funny that Mittani blew it for the goons who voted for him.
And in classic tin pot dictator fashion he points his finger and says "look its all their fault" to distract his followers.
And they fall for it like the pubbies they are.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Truce Billis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:08:00 -
[4352] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
goons
the pubbies they are.
I'm pretty sure you don't know what pubbie means. |
Aeryn Tiberius
Imperial Reclamation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:08:00 -
[4353] - Quote
Wow, this guy is from the bottom of the barrel and to think he represents the player base is absurd, I feel almost bad for CCP, that the game they created was for people like this low-life to gain access to a stage, where he could represent himself and all that he is as a person in the game and IRL and to show that he lacks morals and wishes death on other fellow players. It is a sad day for EVE online, when the top guy is the worst of people in real life. I salute you Mittani for that half asked apology and to the goons for showing us the darker side of humanity. |
Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
161
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:14:00 -
[4354] - Quote
Vampir Draken wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Darius III wrote:I have to question the sincerity of this apology after reading your earlier posts about the incident. ~100058~. You said on twiter you were resigning, was that a troll? I highly doubt you would care one iota if not for the public outcry. You have brought shame and dishonor to CCP, CSm abd the entire Eve community. Do the right thing and step down from CSM. You need to stop pushing your personal agenda and dislike for Alex as a person using an honest actual drama as ammo mate. It's unsightly, obvious and not nearly subtle enough for my approval. I don't think someone who themselves has been banned for breaking the eula and who swore they would never return to eve is really someone worth listening to, especially when we see the lousy way your character also treats the mining community so please stop creeping around fellow mining bashers and crawl back under your stone.
Doesn't an EULA ban exclude you from running for the CSM?
http://community.eveonline.com/download/devblog/CSM.pdf
CSM White Paper wrote: Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA or TOS by a CSM Representative is ground for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions, regardless of the infraction.
What is the point if every race has an Jam/Damp/Disruptor/ ship etc? Not every race has to be a fluffy little mirror of each other, it's seriously not needed. Things like Gallente having the only drone BS and Caldari having the only ECM BS are incredibly cool distinctions that only add to EVE in both game play value and flavour. |
mindblow
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:18:00 -
[4355] - Quote
" LIE
verb (used without object)
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive
to express what is false; convey a false impression. "
This is what I think about your apologies. Your ego is big enough to step on everyone elses heads. Being a public figure, LIE, is a simple and very effective tool for you to express what eve players want to hear. And we wanted apologies. So here they are. Simple, isn't it? What makes it easy to see that it worked is the amount of pople who got decived. We have a saying that a drunk man always tells the truth. I'll put you under that category, not because you were drunk but because the power got to you while under the effect of alcohol/drugs/hats. There are many things to say about The, so called, Wiz, but dude you took it too far this time. CSM 6 Chairman resign and CSM 7 forefeit would make your post true BUT I'm pretty sure goons have a puppet you can control at anytime in CSM 7 so that is only a facade for the masses.
The EULA/TOS were breached and a ban has been issued. wow. That ban will stop you from doing that in the future FOR SURE
Get in a ship and undock so we can kill you. That would work just fine for me.
best regards, LOL GOON
mind. |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
27
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:20:00 -
[4356] - Quote
Darker Domain wrote:ccp you are so terrible
Recall your Queen, he's the one that stung himself in his own ass.....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Jita Alt666
975
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:22:00 -
[4357] - Quote
Keep posting your hate people. This is the fuel the "pubbie" Goons live off of. Regarding history, I know the era also know the limitations of effect - perhaps you would like to find a term that correctly describes both?
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
555
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:23:00 -
[4358] - Quote
Truce Billis wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
goons
the pubbies they are.
I'm pretty sure you don't know what pubbie means.
Im pretty sure i dude.
Only it now applies to them since they are no different then that which they hate. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Morphisat
Millard Innovation Inc
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:25:00 -
[4359] - Quote
We already knew this apology was a load of crap since his first response hours before was 'Deal with it'. The State of the Goonion audio clip makes this all the more pathetic .
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
449
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:28:00 -
[4360] - Quote
Kajurei Delainen wrote:. He instead makes the decision to lash out at the game, and orders his alliance to attack players in Jita.
.
Clearly you only know what you are told. The decision to attack Jita was made before fanfest even took place. Again, trybing to push your version of the truth on people. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
409
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:28:00 -
[4361] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Truce Billis wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
goons
the pubbies they are.
I'm pretty sure you don't know what pubbie means. Im pretty sure i dude. Only it now applies to them since they are no different then that which they hate.
i am so sick of your sht posts. you have something worthless to say every other 4 posts. I think you posted 4 times on everyone of these pages. we get the fkin point. At least spell "hurd' correctly. I have more space likes than you.-á |
JAXTREE
TRADE 'R' US
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:29:00 -
[4362] - Quote
Just resign and keep on with ur life !!
and in the future if u can-¦t hadle alcoohlic beverages , JUST DON-¦T DRINK !!
u shouldn-¦t be in public ofice , if ur that imature person that doesn-¦t think about the consequences off his words/actions
fly safe everyone
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:30:00 -
[4363] - Quote
Dbars Grinding wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Truce Billis wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
goons
the pubbies they are.
I'm pretty sure you don't know what pubbie means. Im pretty sure i dude. Only it now applies to them since they are no different then that which they hate. i am so sick of your sht posts. you have something worthless to say every other 4 posts. I think you posted 4 times on everyone of these pages. we get the fkin point. At least spell "hurd' correctly.
Br4? U M4D?
Yeah... U M4D.
U wanna hug? |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
409
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:31:00 -
[4364] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Truce Billis wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
goons
the pubbies they are.
I'm pretty sure you don't know what pubbie means. Im pretty sure i dude. Only it now applies to them since they are no different then that which they hate. i am so sick of your sht posts. you have something worthless to say every other 4 posts. I think you posted 4 times on everyone of these pages. we get the fkin point. At least spell "hurd' correctly. Br4? U M4D? Yeah... U M4D. U wanna hug?
i feel i am being cyber bullied atm. CCP HALP I have more space likes than you.-á |
Otrebla Utrigas
Space Bastards
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:33:00 -
[4365] - Quote
I love this game. So true alternative world that we have political scandals and civilian uprising agains them.
So basically, one of the elected chairman got drunk and slip the line in a public event. (seriously, it was just a drunk joke... people should revise here their sense of humor)
People who in game will **** you, hard cry in outrage because all must be flowers and unicorns.
The guy apologies.
More outrage.
Political factions try to use the outrage to their benefit.
?????
Profit!!
If instead of EVE, you put there any country or big organization, you can find similar news in every newspaper for the last 5 years.
Did I said I LOVE EVE?? |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
449
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:33:00 -
[4366] - Quote
I cant wait to see all the tears from carebears getting 30 day bans after sending hate mail to people.
Because if that doesnt start happening, alot of people are gonna be asking why.
Dig out your archived hate mail guys, start petitioning. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
mindblow
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:35:00 -
[4367] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:I cant wait to see all the tears from carebears getting 30 day bans after sending hate mail to people.
Because if that doesnt start happening, alot of people are gonna be asking why.
Now that's what I call "Having no idea what's being discussed here." |
Baroness Yutani
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:40:00 -
[4368] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:I cant wait to see all the tears from carebears getting 30 day bans after sending hate mail to people.
Because if that doesnt start happening, alot of people are gonna be asking why.
Dig out your archived hate mail guys, start petitioning.
Please consult your nearest bucket for tear deployment tactics |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
449
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:41:00 -
[4369] - Quote
mindblow wrote:Rico Minali wrote:I cant wait to see all the tears from carebears getting 30 day bans after sending hate mail to people.
Because if that doesnt start happening, alot of people are gonna be asking why. Now that's what I call "Having no idea what's being discussed here."
It may well what is being discussed soon though. What is being discussed here is actualyl over. Lets look forward to the carnage to follow. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
mindblow
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:49:00 -
[4370] - Quote
Then start a new thread. Leave us. |
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Bashum Good
Universum Alternis
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:52:00 -
[4371] - Quote
Now i have not read any of the replies, i am only interrested into sending my answer to you,
No trolling, no agreesion, no offence intended, here goes:
Any form of mind or emotional state changing chemicals, be they legal or illigal (i come from Holland, i am stoned often and not ashamed to say so). will change what little restrains mankind has into keeping his ethical and moral self code of conduct.
This being said, we are all human, one of our better traites, is our failing, only in our failing can we learn who we truely are.
As a person who has brought forth great things (and great distress) within EvE and our Universe, i carry allot of respect for you and what your organisation has build over these many years. You failed, so what, it shows that you to are a human being instead of just the villian you portray. If we started to extinguish the light of creativity for dispicaple acts commited by mankind, we would have no progression for mankind, because someone drew the line, rose up and said: "I Will Not Tollerate This."
Besides our Failings, we have the capacity to learn from them, it is not just your failing, it is ours to, we too get carried away with the Inhibition that is Called EvE. We are allowed to let our own inhibitions go and see how far we can take our actions, this includes sometimes going to far in the perspective of others.
Eve Gives you the player, the potential to react to this. something that allot of people seem tofind trivial in the real world, choosing instead to follow a leader to the death like a flock of lemmings, unquestioning and unthinking.
We all reacted, we all desided that this was not something we would like to see in the Real universe. And i agree. but we can fail, we can also give each other a second or third chance.
We just got to keep asking ourselves
Why did it happen, can it be prevented a next time and what did we learn.
After all, Eve is an intellectual game too.
Bashum Good Universum Alternis |
The Mittardi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:53:00 -
[4372] - Quote
I love you all Dear Goons: I will sell you this character for 50B ISK. EVE mail me if interested. |
Kiran
Knights of Azrael The Azrael Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:55:00 -
[4373] - Quote
I just hope the guy on the receiving end of this hate from Mittani is doing ok and is getting the help requiered.
Its also good to see Mittani come here to post an appology, but in all honesty he is meant to represent the Eve community and give a presentable appearance. Now most of the media will see us all as drunken fools, yeh I heard about this from another source on the web.
Alchohol can't be blamed in this as all it does is strip away your inhibitions, did we see the true face of Mittani that day ? |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:00:00 -
[4374] - Quote
Kiran wrote:I just hope the guy on the receiving end of this hate from Mittani is doing ok and is getting the help requiered.
Its also good to see Mittani come here to post an appology, but in all honesty he is meant to represent the Eve community and give a presentable appearance. Now most of the media will see us all as drunken fools, yeh I heard about this from another source on the web.
Alchohol can't be blamed in this as all it does is strip away your inhibitions, did we see the true face of Mittani that day ? General consensus is,yes. But it begs to ask the question WTFWERECCPTHINKING??? |
Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:06:00 -
[4375] - Quote
10058 bottles of tears on the wall, 10058 bottles of tears. Take one down and pass it around, 10057 bottles of tears on the wall. |
Enyeto Perah
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:10:00 -
[4376] - Quote
Okay, so a Goonmoron wants someone to make him kill himself, and more or less openly calls ppl to make the guy kill himself, and all that he gets is a 30day ban and this crappy excusion?!
HOW ****** UP IS THIS?!
Perhaps Mittani should better watch out that on the next Fanfest nothing happens to him.. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
449
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 08:12:00 -
[4377] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote: Perhaps Mittani should better watch out that on the next Fanfest nothing happens to him..
That sounds like threats of real life violence to me. CCP, this is inexcusable, he needs a ban.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
148
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:19:00 -
[4378] - Quote
mindblow wrote:Rico Minali wrote:I cant wait to see all the tears from carebears getting 30 day bans after sending hate mail to people.
Because if that doesnt start happening, alot of people are gonna be asking why. Now that's what I call "Having no idea what's being discussed here." . |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:19:00 -
[4379] - Quote
Perhaps those who voted for mittens should be allowed to transfer their votes to the other candidates who stood for the CSM. |
Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:20:00 -
[4380] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perhaps those who voted for mittens should be allowed to transfer their votes to the other candidates who stood for the CSM.
Eh why? |
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Georgiy Giggle
The Sith Syndicate
24
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:23:00 -
[4381] - Quote
Quote:...and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
Game is just a game, but REAL PEOPLE are acting and controlling deeds of their characters. If you are bastard, who can betray, lie, grief others JUST FOR FUN - you are same IRL.
Quote:...While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
Your character is a part of you and your lifestyle. Scum here - scum in RL. You call it roleplaying? Roleplaying being bastard? Man, who does not remember what morality is should not be a chairman of CSM.
Just my opinion. Likes\dislikes\trolling won't help. I'll stay with my mind. Not mastering proprieties, won't become firmly established. - Confucius |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
148
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 08:23:00 -
[4382] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perhaps those who voted for mittens should be allowed to transfer their votes to the other candidates who stood for the CSM. I'm not sure that's how voting works tbh. The candidate failed the voters. The bit that CCP forced him down will not hold water as he wanted to resign himself much earlier in this titanic hurfblurf threadnaught. Ofc,I'm no lawyer and there might be more it. Will just have to wait and see. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
449
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:24:00 -
[4383] - Quote
Georgiy Giggle wrote:Quote:...and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped. Game is just a game, but REAL PEOPLE are acting and controlling deeds of their characters. If you are bastard, who can betray, lie, grief others JUST FOR FUN - you are same IRL. Quote:...While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior. Your character is a part of you and your lifestyle. Scum here - scum in RL. You call it roleplaying? Roleplaying being bastard? Man, who does not remember what morality is should not be a chairman of CSM. Just my opinion. Likes\dislikes\trolling won't help. I'll stay with my mind.
So, your a sith lord in real life? awesome! Do you realise how stupid what you just said is? Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Enyeto Perah
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:25:00 -
[4384] - Quote
Georgiy Giggle wrote:Quote:...and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped. Game is just a game, but REAL PEOPLE are acting and controlling deeds of their characters. If you are bastard, who can betray, lie, grief others JUST FOR FUN - you are same IRL. Quote:...While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior. Your character is a part of you and your lifestyle. Scum here - scum in RL. You call it roleplaying? Roleplaying being bastard? Man, who does not remember what morality is should not be a chairman of CSM. Just my opinion. Likes\dislikes\trolling won't help. I'll stay with my mind.
Exactly THIS! He also should not be allowed to be voted into CSM anymore. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
449
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:25:00 -
[4385] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote: Perhaps Mittani should better watch out that on the next Fanfest nothing happens to him..
That sounds like threats of real life violence to me. CCP, this is inexcusable, he needs a ban. Oh wow... rly?! and a CSM threatening some player is ok? Great!
No, it wasnt alright, and it isnt alright for you to make therast either, he was banned, so you need to be banned to. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
selexus
The Red Circle Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:27:00 -
[4386] - Quote
The Universal constant.
People who let there ego run riot are spectacular to watch when they eventually screw up (and they all do...eventually)
Mittens...WTFILN? |
Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:27:00 -
[4387] - Quote
Chairman song |
Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
18
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:31:00 -
[4388] - Quote
07 Mittani
Also I'm not sure but this is the longest thread I've ever seen here. Wonder if its a record breaker. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:32:00 -
[4389] - Quote
Aurora B wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perhaps those who voted for mittens should be allowed to transfer their votes to the other candidates who stood for the CSM. Eh why?
Because it would remove the main plank of the Goons - we have been disenfranchied - complaint, and for the simple reason that it would help give CSM7 more legitimacy.
It was Mittens who made a t*t of himself in Iceland, (and has been rightly punished) not those who voted for him. |
Enyeto Perah
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:33:00 -
[4390] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote: Perhaps Mittani should better watch out that on the next Fanfest nothing happens to him..
That sounds like threats of real life violence to me. CCP, this is inexcusable, he needs a ban. Oh wow... rly?! and a CSM threatening some player is ok? Great! No, it wasnt alright, and it isnt alright for you to make therast either, he was banned, so you need to be banned to.
I wasnt actually calling ppl to kill him on fanfest! And I'm no CSM Member... so I wonder how long I will be banned.
And yes: I can accept to be banned for this, that's NOT the point!
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Madame Fanney
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:33:00 -
[4391] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perhaps those who voted for mittens should be allowed to transfer their votes to the other candidates who stood for the CSM.
.itGÇÖs a goon & goon friend friend heavy panel anyway, look at the alliance numbers and you can tell where all the votes came from.
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Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:37:00 -
[4392] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Aurora B wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perhaps those who voted for mittens should be allowed to transfer their votes to the other candidates who stood for the CSM. Eh why? Because it would remove the main plank of the Goons - we have been disenfranchied - complaint, and for the simple reason that it would help give CSM7 more legitimacy. It was Mittens who made a t*t of himself in Iceland, (and has been rightly punished) not those who voted for him.
So you voted the wrong guy and want to chance your vote now, that seems to be the cornerstone of all elections. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:44:00 -
[4393] - Quote
Aurora B wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Aurora B wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perhaps those who voted for mittens should be allowed to transfer their votes to the other candidates who stood for the CSM. Eh why? Because it would remove the main plank of the Goons - we have been disenfranchied - complaint, and for the simple reason that it would help give CSM7 more legitimacy. It was Mittens who made a t*t of himself in Iceland, (and has been rightly punished) not those who voted for him. So you voted the wrong guy and want to chance your vote now, that seems to be the cornerstone of all elections.
Here in the UK, if a member of parliament to forced to stand down, voters are given the opportunity to vote for a replacement member of parliament.
The MP is punished not the voters.
It would be the least bad option for CCP to take in my opinion.
The Goons cannot complain about being disenfranchised if they are allowed to transfer their votes to another CSM member. |
Georgiy Giggle
The Sith Syndicate
25
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:45:00 -
[4394] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote: So, your a sith lord in real life? awesome! Do you realise how stupid what you just said is?
Yes, dude. If you do not know history of my corporation and it's name, please keep your silly mind in your head. Ingame and IRL I'm fighter for morality, justice, merit and virtue (http://www.eveisreal.net/#!/image-contest/detail/93078 - KEEP BEING HUMAN). Name of corporation is just a legacy, that I got from previous CEO, who's ideas were enough evil. Still it's just a name, and soon I'll get rid of it.
So, please, next time do not judge until you have ALL FACTS on your hands. Not mastering proprieties, won't become firmly established. - Confucius |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:46:00 -
[4395] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Aurora B wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Aurora B wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perhaps those who voted for mittens should be allowed to transfer their votes to the other candidates who stood for the CSM. Eh why? Because it would remove the main plank of the Goons - we have been disenfranchied - complaint, and for the simple reason that it would help give CSM7 more legitimacy. It was Mittens who made a t*t of himself in Iceland, (and has been rightly punished) not those who voted for him. So you voted the wrong guy and want to chance your vote now, that seems to be the cornerstone of all elections. Here in the UK, if a member of parliament to forced to stand down, voters are given the opportunity to vote for a replacement member of parliament. The MP is punished not the voters. It would be the least bad option for CCP to take in my opinion. The Goons cannot complain about being disenfranchised if they are allowed to transfer their votes to another CSM member. Ahhhhhhhh.... Nope. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:51:00 -
[4396] - Quote
Jake Warbird....a well thought out and reasoned response.
But you should have stopped at the Ahhhhhhhh bit. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:55:00 -
[4397] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Jake Warbird....a well thought out and reasoned response.
But you should have stopped at the Ahhhhhhhh bit.
Jake Warbird wrote: I'm not sure that's how voting works tbh. The candidate failed the voters. The bit that CCP forced him down will not hold water as he wanted to resign himself much earlier in this titanic hurfblurf threadnaught. Ofc,I'm no lawyer and there might be more it. Will just have to wait and see.
I did post what I thought.
Maybe you should check people who quote you? |
mindblow
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:55:00 -
[4398] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Aurora B wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Aurora B wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perhaps those who voted for mittens should be allowed to transfer their votes to the other candidates who stood for the CSM. Eh why? Because it would remove the main plank of the Goons - we have been disenfranchied - complaint, and for the simple reason that it would help give CSM7 more legitimacy. It was Mittens who made a t*t of himself in Iceland, (and has been rightly punished) not those who voted for him. So you voted the wrong guy and want to chance your vote now, that seems to be the cornerstone of all elections. Here in the UK, if a member of parliament to forced to stand down, voters are given the opportunity to vote for a replacement member of parliament. The MP is punished not the voters. It would be the least bad option for CCP to take in my opinion. The Goons cannot complain about being disenfranchised if they are allowed to transfer their votes to another CSM member.
No.
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Ai Shun
482
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:55:00 -
[4399] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:And yes: I can accept to be banned for this, that's NOT the point!
What is the point? "Mommy, she did it first?" What are you, like 3 years old? Since when do you excuse your bad behavior by pointing at the bad behavior of somebody else.
Grow up, ffs.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:58:00 -
[4400] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Jake Warbird....a well thought out and reasoned response.
But you should have stopped at the Ahhhhhhhh bit. Jake Warbird wrote: I'm not sure that's how voting works tbh. The candidate failed the voters. The bit that CCP forced him down will not hold water as he wanted to resign himself much earlier in this titanic hurfblurf threadnaught. Ofc,I'm no lawyer and there might be more it. Will just have to wait and see.
I did post what I thought. Maybe you should check people who quote you?
My sincere apologies if I have misunderstood you good sir |
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:01:00 -
[4401] - Quote
Boz Wel wrote:I'm amazed people are so "outraged" by this. Who even really cares. It was a tasteless joke, but it was obviously a joke. No rational person thinks that Mittens was actively attempting to get someone to kill himself. If I got an rambling email from a 23 account holding Mackinaw pilot on the verge of suicide because mining space rocks with 23 accounts is all that makes him happy in life... I'd probably make a tasteless joke as well, because let's face it - that's pretty pathetic.
Now, it's horribly unprofessional to make such a joke in a drunken stupor at Fanfest to a group of other players. Still, Mittens has apologized for it and taken actions to attempt to make up for that. Still, you have to keep things in perspective. This was a tasteless joke and no more. Calling for the guy's head in game in the way of bans and what not is ridiculous.
Well,im not amazed or surprised because I dont expect rationality and inteligence from hi-sec pubbies and threads like this only ensure me that hi-sec must burn... |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:03:00 -
[4402] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Jake Warbird....a well thought out and reasoned response.
But you should have stopped at the Ahhhhhhhh bit. Jake Warbird wrote: I'm not sure that's how voting works tbh. The candidate failed the voters. The bit that CCP forced him down will not hold water as he wanted to resign himself much earlier in this titanic hurfblurf threadnaught. Ofc,I'm no lawyer and there might be more it. Will just have to wait and see.
I did post what I thought. Maybe you should check people who quote you? My sincere apologies if I have misunderstood you good sir No worries,mate. All good |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
82
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:03:00 -
[4403] - Quote
Hi sec must burn is the funniest thing ive heard in years
The plebs and there pets could not even hold down the ice systems. There were just to many miners. Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:05:00 -
[4404] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Boz Wel wrote:I'm amazed people are so "outraged" by this. Who even really cares. It was a tasteless joke, but it was obviously a joke. No rational person thinks that Mittens was actively attempting to get someone to kill himself. If I got an rambling email from a 23 account holding Mackinaw pilot on the verge of suicide because mining space rocks with 23 accounts is all that makes him happy in life... I'd probably make a tasteless joke as well, because let's face it - that's pretty pathetic.
Now, it's horribly unprofessional to make such a joke in a drunken stupor at Fanfest to a group of other players. Still, Mittens has apologized for it and taken actions to attempt to make up for that. Still, you have to keep things in perspective. This was a tasteless joke and no more. Calling for the guy's head in game in the way of bans and what not is ridiculous. Well,im not amazed or surprised because I dont expect rationality and inteligence from hi-sec pubbies and threads like this only ensure me that hi-sec must burn... Ohai PETS Allianzzz please tell me more about this rashunalitee and this intelyjunce you speak of. |
Enyeto Perah
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:05:00 -
[4405] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:And yes: I can accept to be banned for this, that's NOT the point! What is the point? "Mommy, she did it first?" What are you, like 3 years old? Since when do you excuse your bad behavior by pointing at the bad behavior of somebody else. Grow up, ffs.
The point is, that a member of the CSM called other ppl to make a player "kill himself", and now comes with this crappy excuse "I was drunk, I didn't mean to, blablabla!", and all that happens is he is excluded from CSM for this time, and banned for 30 days!
I NEVER excused my bad behaviour! I said I can accept a ban! READ before you actually try to argue!
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Starcaller Dredg
1st Contact Fade 2 Black
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:09:00 -
[4406] - Quote
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE
Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.
He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.
Run the Goons out of EVE. |
Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:11:00 -
[4407] - Quote
PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Boz Wel wrote:I'm amazed people are so "outraged" by this. Who even really cares. It was a tasteless joke, but it was obviously a joke. No rational person thinks that Mittens was actively attempting to get someone to kill himself. If I got an rambling email from a 23 account holding Mackinaw pilot on the verge of suicide because mining space rocks with 23 accounts is all that makes him happy in life... I'd probably make a tasteless joke as well, because let's face it - that's pretty pathetic.
Now, it's horribly unprofessional to make such a joke in a drunken stupor at Fanfest to a group of other players. Still, Mittens has apologized for it and taken actions to attempt to make up for that. Still, you have to keep things in perspective. This was a tasteless joke and no more. Calling for the guy's head in game in the way of bans and what not is ridiculous. Well,im not amazed or surprised because I dont expect rationality and inteligence from hi-sec pubbies and threads like this only ensure me that hi-sec must burn...
Maybe that will dry your tears, just maybe... |
Enyeto Perah
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:13:00 -
[4408] - Quote
Starcaller Dredg wrote:http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE
Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.
He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.
Run the Goons out of EVE.
THIS should be spread! |
Starcaller Dredg
1st Contact Fade 2 Black
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:17:00 -
[4409] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:Starcaller Dredg wrote:http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE
Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.
He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.
Run the Goons out of EVE. THIS should be spread!
Spread the word. http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught. He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down to benefit Goonswarm. He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face. |
Anthemius Heb
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:18:00 -
[4410] - Quote
I didn't read the apology because a few days ago in the thread complaining about his actions he said "deal with it". This was on the first page of the thread when only a handful of people had posted. Now it's become clear that a lot of people are seriously pissed off about his actions his stance on the issue seems to have changed dramatically from "Deal with it" to "I'm ashamed of my actions, i soooooooo sorry".
Was it an attack of conscience that made him apologize or was it the realization that so many people were pissed off it might start to affect his chances of remaining head of the CSM and therefore his direct line to influencing CCP's game decisions for the benefit of his friends but at the expense of everybody else? |
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Sugar Von MurdererTits
Shameless Suicidal Space Barbies
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:20:00 -
[4411] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Aurora B wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perhaps those who voted for mittens should be allowed to transfer their votes to the other candidates who stood for the CSM. Eh why? Because it would remove the main plank of the Goons - we have been disenfranchied - complaint, and for the simple reason that it would help give CSM7 more legitimacy. It was Mittens who made a t*t of himself in Iceland, (and has been rightly punished) not those who voted for him.
The second place winner was a goon alt. Probably half of the rest were as well.
The CSM is ****** to be honest. Won't bother voting next year. |
Starcaller Dredg
1st Contact Fade 2 Black
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:22:00 -
[4412] - Quote
Anthemius Heb wrote:I didn't read the apology because a few days ago in the thread complaining about his actions he said "deal with it". This was on the first page of the thread when only a handful of people had posted. Now it's become clear that a lot of people are seriously pissed off about his actions his stance on the issue seems to have changed dramatically from "Deal with it" to "I'm ashamed of my actions, i soooooooo sorry".
Was it an attack of conscience that made him apologize or was it the realization that so many people were pissed off it might start to affect his chances of remaining head of the CSM and therefore his direct line to influencing CCP's game decisions for the benefit of his friends but at the expense of everybody else?
His mentality has been prevalent for a long time. The goons think they are invincible because we allow them to be. http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught. He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down to benefit Goonswarm. He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:22:00 -
[4413] - Quote
Anthemius Heb wrote:I didn't read the apology because a few days ago in the thread complaining about his actions he said "deal with it". This was on the first page of the thread when only a handful of people had posted. Now it's become clear that a lot of people are seriously pissed off about his actions his stance on the issue seems to have changed dramatically from "Deal with it" to "I'm ashamed of my actions, i soooooooo sorry".
Was it an attack of conscience that made him apologize or was it the realization that so many people were pissed off it might start to affect his chances of remaining head of the CSM and therefore his direct line to influencing CCP's game decisions for the benefit of his friends but at the expense of everybody else? Also he attacked NPC Alts like myself! The outrage! |
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Shameless Suicidal Space Barbies
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:24:00 -
[4414] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote: Also he attacked NPC Alts like myself! The outrage!
Your face fascinates me. |
Anthemius Heb
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:25:00 -
[4415] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Anthemius Heb wrote:I didn't read the apology because a few days ago in the thread complaining about his actions he said "deal with it". This was on the first page of the thread when only a handful of people had posted. Now it's become clear that a lot of people are seriously pissed off about his actions his stance on the issue seems to have changed dramatically from "Deal with it" to "I'm ashamed of my actions, i soooooooo sorry".
Was it an attack of conscience that made him apologize or was it the realization that so many people were pissed off it might start to affect his chances of remaining head of the CSM and therefore his direct line to influencing CCP's game decisions for the benefit of his friends but at the expense of everybody else? Also he attacked NPC Alts like myself! The outrage!
I'm not an NPC alt. This is my only character. |
Vampir Draken
Street Birds
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:27:00 -
[4416] - Quote
I think the worst or best thing Mittens did here was to demonstrate why other, much more financially successful MMO's don't have a comparable players panel like the CSM Why would I expect the CSM, comprised mainly of those who think miners and industrialists in game are meant to be harassed, bashed and disenfranchised of their own way of playing in the sandbox, to fairly represent all players. Despite many players of the game claiming it is a PVP game it isn't solely that It is as described by CCP a sandbox, that includes PVE and PVP elements. Forcing someone in that sandbox to play the PVP game when they don't wish to is not allowing that PVE player to play in the sandbox the way they wish to
CCP run the game and they decide what is going to be or not going to be. These public statements by Mittens have exposed a dark and nasty part of EVE to the spotlight of publicity that can only in my opinion result in the dissolution of the CSM or a loss of future business for CCP
Players cannot completely separate their own personalities from the characters they play in game and Mittens has just shown that rather graphically. Either they bring their character personality into RL or they bring their RL character into the game, either way there is a mixture Problem is newer players (hate that noob term, its used as an insult most the time) and prospective new players see this dark side bought out in this way and instead of them being gentled into the game and perhaps later enjoying either the PVE or PVP side, its to hell with that its too ugly I play a MMO to have fun not to be insulted and told to commit suicide. He has told my RL person on twitter to commit suicide and die and I feel that by posting comments like that on twitter even using The Mittani persona he is stepping outside the game into a public arena also, which is why I think this apology is just to save his own ass and that he is insincere. I just gave him back as good as, but I was aware that more sensitive people could have been disturbed by the comments
To believe Mittens apology genuine I will have to wait for his return and see if he, as Mittens, moderates his behaviour. But in his own words it is the character he plays that way so I doubt that will happen. So I feel I will continue to believe that his rl person plays out a dark side in game that although hidden perhaps in RL does break through occasionally and is a real part of his RL life |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:31:00 -
[4417] - Quote
Anthemius Heb wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Anthemius Heb wrote:I didn't read the apology because a few days ago in the thread complaining about his actions he said "deal with it". This was on the first page of the thread when only a handful of people had posted. Now it's become clear that a lot of people are seriously pissed off about his actions his stance on the issue seems to have changed dramatically from "Deal with it" to "I'm ashamed of my actions, i soooooooo sorry".
Was it an attack of conscience that made him apologize or was it the realization that so many people were pissed off it might start to affect his chances of remaining head of the CSM and therefore his direct line to influencing CCP's game decisions for the benefit of his friends but at the expense of everybody else? Also he attacked NPC Alts like myself! The outrage! I'm not an NPC alt. This is my only character. I meant myself Ofc.
Also Sugar,m blushing can you tell?
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Velyks
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:31:00 -
[4418] - Quote
Starcaller Dredg wrote:http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE
Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.
He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.
Run the Goons out of EVE.
The problem with people like you is that you're so jaded on the entire subject that no matter what action he took you wouldn't be satisfied with it.
"How dare he simply refuse the chair, he should be kicked off the whole CSM!"
"How dare he give up his CSM seat, he should be removed from the game!"
"How dare he only remove himself from the game, all of goonswarm should be removed!"
^ You
Edit: Page 221 snipz http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
248
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:34:00 -
[4419] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:Starcaller Dredg wrote:http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE
Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.
He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.
Run the Goons out of EVE. THIS should be spread!
What this business demonstrates is what happens when one psychologically troubled player (the mackinaw player) impacts with another equally troubled player (Alex Gianturco).
What is abundantly clear is that Alex is having extreme difficulty differentiating his real life self from his alter ego virtual persona. It is deeply disturbing (to me at least) to see someone who is essentially suffering from what appears to be a form of a mental health disorder - a personality disorder specifically.
I would be interested in what plans CCP have to help or offer advice on what support players can receive who are in this unfortunate state of well being. That's not to say that I believe that CCP have an obligation to directly provide such support but alerting players to potential sources of advice would be a 'good thing'.
Im equally surprised that those at CCP did not recognise earlier the signs that Alex Gianturco could well be suffering from an over exposure to EVE Online as a product. Immersion is all well and good but in this instance the ramifications of two players both with significant issues with respect to their perception of what is 'real' and has value have been far reaching.
I would hope that those who know Alex well, and who count themselves as his friends, will council him to at the very least take a break from EVE and to get a fresh perspective on who he is.
C. |
Enyeto Perah
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:41:00 -
[4420] - Quote
Cailais wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:Starcaller Dredg wrote:http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE
Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.
He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.
Run the Goons out of EVE. THIS should be spread! What this business demonstrates is what happens when one psychologically troubled player (the mackinaw player) impacts with another equally troubled player (Alex Gianturco). What is abundantly clear is that Alex is having extreme difficulty differentiating his real life self from his alter ego virtual persona. It is deeply disturbing (to me at least) to see someone who is essentially suffering from what appears to be a form of a mental health disorder - a personality disorder specifically. I would be interested in what plans CCP have to help or offer advice on what support players can receive who are in this unfortunate state of well being. That's not to say that I believe that CCP have an obligation to directly provide such support but alerting players to potential sources of advice would be a 'good thing'. Im equally surprised that those at CCP did not recognise earlier the signs that Alex Gianturco could well be suffering from an over exposure to EVE Online as a product. Immersion is all well and good but in this instance the ramifications of two players both with significant issues with respect to their perception of what is 'real' and has value have been far reaching. I would hope that those who know Alex well, and who count themselves as his friends, will council him to at the very least take a break from EVE and to get a fresh perspective on who he is. C.
THIS IS THE BIGGEST BULL I EVER READ! *cry* troubled player *cry* F U!
RPing?! YEAH SURE... FAMOUS Pooswarrm RP Corp...
So what you say is that its CCP's fault and that Mittany is free of any guilt, and that the mackinaw player just should have stayed away from EVE? is THAT it?!
WOW... I wonder how many other stupid MORONS are out there...
But I am sure, Alex be grateful for your ass kissing...
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Beckett Firesnake
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:02:00 -
[4421] - Quote
I hope you are fine Mittany. It was really too much ;-) Like a lot of members of ICE I voted for you. If there were new elections today, I think I would vote for you again. |
Enyeto Perah
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:03:00 -
[4422] - Quote
Beckett Firesnake wrote:I hope you are fine Mittany. It was really too much ;-) Like a lot of members of ICE I voted for you. If there were new elections today, I think I would vote for you again.
Sure you would... poo sticks with poo |
Velyks
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:06:00 -
[4423] - Quote
Vampir Draken wrote:I think the worst or best thing Mittens did here was to demonstrate why other, much more financially successful MMO's don't have a comparable players panel like the CSM Why would I expect the CSM, comprised mainly of those who think miners and industrialists in game are meant to be harassed, bashed and disenfranchised of their own way of playing in the sandbox, to fairly represent all players. Despite many players of the game claiming it is a PVP game it isn't solely that It is as described by CCP a sandbox, that includes PVE and PVP elements. Forcing someone in that sandbox to play the PVP game when they don't wish to is not allowing that PVE player to play in the sandbox the way they wish to.
He doesn't care if you're a miner or an industralist, he'll harass you as long as you're not blue to him. Its just the miners and industralists like to whine because they can't be bothered or are unwilling to learn how to fight back. As described by CCP, a sandbox means anyone can do anything within the bounds of the game, if you don't like that someones come and kicked over your sandcastle you can either pick up your plastic spade and storm off, or you can throw it at the back of his smug head and do something about it.
http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg |
Miranda Etxebarria
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:21:00 -
[4424] - Quote
Kajurei Delainen wrote:I'll admit I watched The Mittani at FanFest CSM panel with disgust - he's a total douche bag. I'm not in his alliance, so I don't follow him.
Listening to Mittani on mumble comms tonight, reinforced that Mittani is not a person worth following. Instead of listening to those that told him he is wrong in his personal behavior and treatment of others, firing him from the CSM panel and banning him from the game. He instead makes the decision to lash out at the game, and orders his alliance to attack players in Jita.
His actions could cause people to quit eve, as they would think that CCP would allow the game to spiral out of control and allow hundreds of players to destroy everything within reach in the trade hub. If people quit the game - we won't have a game to play, hurting all of us.
It's self-destructive behavior - he destroyed his reputation, hurt the reputations of the CSM and CCP, and now looks to hurt the reputation of his own alliance. All of it because he advocated destroying a person through harrassing him to commit suicide.
It's not funny, it never was. Don't follow someone off a cliff - as his actions are clearly self-destructive.
The Mittani should quit eve, not out of rage, but out of guilt. Goonswarm started playing eve with the intent to wreck it, and they have, just like they did in the last game they set out to wreck. The Mittani has wrecked Eve-online's reputation with his vulgar displays on broadcast TV.
He has nothing to be proud of, nothing to show for his self-destructive behavior, absolutely nothing, and will be missed by no one.
Are you kidding me? Was the alliance panel awful? Sure. Should The Mittani be punished for his behavior? No doubt. Was his apology sincere? Don't know, don't care. But here you are, in a thread about TOS/EULA violations, already pissing and moaning about perfectly valid in-game behavior. Wait, let me rephrase that, about behavior that makes this game unique among dozens of generic MMO's. So, Mittens threatens to destroy Jita, a hub in high-sec, protected by CONCORD, sec-status hits and used by most pilots in the goddamn game? Then why don't you, rather than whine about people quitting the game, plan to do something about it?
I don't have any business with GSF or The Mittani. In fact, I'm a Jita trader, so I stand to lose significantly from any action against the hub. Still, reading some of the comments of people who try to link the alliance panel debacle to perfectly norman (and exciting) in-game behavior makes me an embarrased carebear. |
Zora'e
Nasty Pope
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:22:00 -
[4425] - Quote
Never been much of a Fan of Goons, or any of the other major alliances to be honest. Read this story and my first thought was "dude was wasted, he had to be to say something so messed up". Hey... We all say stupid garbage when we're drunk, however, it doesn't really excuse the behavior because as adults we have to take responsibility for what we do sober or otherwise. That you realized this and took the actions you have, is commendable.
I may not agree with game politics, I may even personally think people who take internet spaceships so seriously (even myself when I do it) are being stupidly silly. It's when we cross that fine line between making in game moves against someone or something and start pulling it into the real world and looking for or suggesting real world results from them that we need to step back and take a breath or six (i've done that a few times).
Looks to me like you are doing this.
That's good enough for me. In EVE Online...-á-áA Friend will calm you down when you are angry after getting Ganked.., but a Best Friend will fly along beside you commanding a Strike Group singing "Someones Gonna Get It!!!".-á ~Zora'e |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
249
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:29:00 -
[4426] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:Cailais wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:Starcaller Dredg wrote:http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE
Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.
He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.
Run the Goons out of EVE. THIS should be spread! What this business demonstrates is what happens when one psychologically troubled player (the mackinaw player) impacts with another equally troubled player (Alex Gianturco). What is abundantly clear is that Alex is having extreme difficulty differentiating his real life self from his alter ego virtual persona. It is deeply disturbing (to me at least) to see someone who is essentially suffering from what appears to be a form of a mental health disorder - a personality disorder specifically. I would be interested in what plans CCP have to help or offer advice on what support players can receive who are in this unfortunate state of well being. That's not to say that I believe that CCP have an obligation to directly provide such support but alerting players to potential sources of advice would be a 'good thing'. Im equally surprised that those at CCP did not recognise earlier the signs that Alex Gianturco could well be suffering from an over exposure to EVE Online as a product. Immersion is all well and good but in this instance the ramifications of two players both with significant issues with respect to their perception of what is 'real' and has value have been far reaching. I would hope that those who know Alex well, and who count themselves as his friends, will council him to at the very least take a break from EVE and to get a fresh perspective on who he is. C. THIS IS THE BIGGEST BULL I EVER READ! *cry* troubled player *cry* F U! RPing?! YEAH SURE... FAMOUS Pooswarrm RP Corp... So what you say is that its CCP's fault and that Mittany is free of any guilt, and that the mackinaw player just should have stayed away from EVE? is THAT it?! WOW... I wonder how many other stupid MORONS are out there... But I am sure, Alex be grateful for your ass kissing...
No, Im not saying that it is CCPs fault, or that Alex Gianturco is free of any guilt. What I am saying is that this entire storm resulted from the interaction between two players who, as far as we can judge, cant distinguish clearly between reality and an online game of pixels.
C.
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Isabella300
FinFleet Raiden.
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:30:00 -
[4427] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:Cailais wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:Starcaller Dredg wrote:http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE
Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.
He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.
Run the Goons out of EVE. THIS should be spread! What this business demonstrates is what happens when one psychologically troubled player (the mackinaw player) impacts with another equally troubled player (Alex Gianturco). What is abundantly clear is that Alex is having extreme difficulty differentiating his real life self from his alter ego virtual persona. It is deeply disturbing (to me at least) to see someone who is essentially suffering from what appears to be a form of a mental health disorder - a personality disorder specifically. I would be interested in what plans CCP have to help or offer advice on what support players can receive who are in this unfortunate state of well being. That's not to say that I believe that CCP have an obligation to directly provide such support but alerting players to potential sources of advice would be a 'good thing'. Im equally surprised that those at CCP did not recognise earlier the signs that Alex Gianturco could well be suffering from an over exposure to EVE Online as a product. Immersion is all well and good but in this instance the ramifications of two players both with significant issues with respect to their perception of what is 'real' and has value have been far reaching. I would hope that those who know Alex well, and who count themselves as his friends, will council him to at the very least take a break from EVE and to get a fresh perspective on who he is. C. THIS IS THE BIGGEST BULL I EVER READ! *cry* troubled player *cry* F U! RPing?! YEAH SURE... FAMOUS Pooswarrm RP Corp... So what you say is that its CCP's fault and that Mittany is free of any guilt, and that the mackinaw player just should have stayed away from EVE? is THAT it?! WOW... I wonder how many other stupid MORONS are out there... But I am sure, Alex be grateful for your ass kissing...
Ass kissing ? .. you didn't really understand a single word he wrote did u ?!
Please read again and ask for translation if you dont know the meaning of his words. |
Jita Alt666
975
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:38:00 -
[4428] - Quote
Momoyo wrote:07 Mittani
Also I'm not sure but this is the longest thread I've ever seen here. Wonder if its a record breaker.
Biggest thread in new forum. The previous record was the WIS thread which took approximately 3 months to reach 200 pages, this thread took 3 days to pass that mark.
Space Drama >>> Space Dress Up.
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Jita Alt666
975
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:40:00 -
[4429] - Quote
This thread has degenerated into Bob vs Goons terrible posting competition 2012 |
Jita Alt666
975
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:41:00 -
[4430] - Quote
Cultural victory goes both ways. |
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Enyeto Perah
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:41:00 -
[4431] - Quote
Isabella300 wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:Cailais wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:Starcaller Dredg wrote:http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE
Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.
He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.
Run the Goons out of EVE. THIS should be spread! What this business demonstrates is what happens when one psychologically troubled player (the mackinaw player) impacts with another equally troubled player (Alex Gianturco). What is abundantly clear is that Alex is having extreme difficulty differentiating his real life self from his alter ego virtual persona. It is deeply disturbing (to me at least) to see someone who is essentially suffering from what appears to be a form of a mental health disorder - a personality disorder specifically. I would be interested in what plans CCP have to help or offer advice on what support players can receive who are in this unfortunate state of well being. That's not to say that I believe that CCP have an obligation to directly provide such support but alerting players to potential sources of advice would be a 'good thing'. Im equally surprised that those at CCP did not recognise earlier the signs that Alex Gianturco could well be suffering from an over exposure to EVE Online as a product. Immersion is all well and good but in this instance the ramifications of two players both with significant issues with respect to their perception of what is 'real' and has value have been far reaching. I would hope that those who know Alex well, and who count themselves as his friends, will council him to at the very least take a break from EVE and to get a fresh perspective on who he is. C. THIS IS THE BIGGEST BULL I EVER READ! *cry* troubled player *cry* F U! RPing?! YEAH SURE... FAMOUS Pooswarrm RP Corp... So what you say is that its CCP's fault and that Mittany is free of any guilt, and that the mackinaw player just should have stayed away from EVE? is THAT it?! WOW... I wonder how many other stupid MORONS are out there... But I am sure, Alex be grateful for your ass kissing... Ass kissing ? .. you didn't really understand a single word he wrote did u ?! Please read again and ask for translation if you dont know the meaning of his words.
Isabella, I clearly understood what he said:
One player has psychological problems and should get help, and Mittani also has problems (however not psychological) (equally does NOT imply that he has also psychological, but also as big problems as the other one, be it from family, or just because he was drunk or whatever).
Alex has trouble with distinction between real-life and alter ego. HOWEVER: CCP should have recognised that, so in the end, it's CCPs fault, because they should have regognized it. OK, he does not believe CCP has an obligation, but he is surprised that CCP didnt tell Alex that he has problems. So not Alex' fault, but CCP, they should have told him!
He wishs Alex the best anyway.
So what he says is: POOR POOR Alex, BAD BAD CCP and the Mackinaw player is a psychologically troubled person.
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:42:00 -
[4432] - Quote
Miranda Etxebarria wrote:Kajurei Delainen wrote:I'll admit I watched The Mittani at FanFest CSM panel with disgust - he's a total douche bag. I'm not in his alliance, so I don't follow him.
Listening to Mittani on mumble comms tonight, reinforced that Mittani is not a person worth following. Instead of listening to those that told him he is wrong in his personal behavior and treatment of others, firing him from the CSM panel and banning him from the game. He instead makes the decision to lash out at the game, and orders his alliance to attack players in Jita.
His actions could cause people to quit eve, as they would think that CCP would allow the game to spiral out of control and allow hundreds of players to destroy everything within reach in the trade hub. If people quit the game - we won't have a game to play, hurting all of us.
It's self-destructive behavior - he destroyed his reputation, hurt the reputations of the CSM and CCP, and now looks to hurt the reputation of his own alliance. All of it because he advocated destroying a person through harrassing him to commit suicide.
It's not funny, it never was. Don't follow someone off a cliff - as his actions are clearly self-destructive.
The Mittani should quit eve, not out of rage, but out of guilt. Goonswarm started playing eve with the intent to wreck it, and they have, just like they did in the last game they set out to wreck. The Mittani has wrecked Eve-online's reputation with his vulgar displays on broadcast TV.
He has nothing to be proud of, nothing to show for his self-destructive behavior, absolutely nothing, and will be missed by no one. Are you kidding me? Was the alliance panel awful? Sure. Should The Mittani be punished for his behavior? No doubt. Was his apology sincere? Don't know, don't care. But here you are, in a thread about TOS/EULA violations, already pissing and moaning about perfectly valid in-game behavior. Wait, let me rephrase that, about behavior that makes this game unique among dozens of generic MMO's. So, Mittens threatens to destroy Jita, a hub in high-sec, protected by CONCORD, sec-status hits and used by most pilots in the goddamn game? Then why don't you, rather than whine about people quitting the game, plan to do something about it? I don't have any business with GSF or The Mittani. In fact, I'm a Jita trader, so I stand to lose significantly from any action against the hub. Still, reading some of the comments of people who try to link the alliance panel debacle to perfectly norman (and exciting) in-game behavior makes me an embarrased carebear.
A good post, from a Jita trader? The wonders never cease. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:48:00 -
[4433] - Quote
You know? Darius III (aka D3?) He's a CSM in good standing. Mittani? He is just a step shy of perma-banned and ranting madly to his dog at home about the death of Jita and taking vengance on carebears and CCP.... Who would have thought? You see before the election i took bets on who would go batshit crazy first and I got it wrong. |
Rrroot
DerpWaffe Unprovoked Aggression
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:12:00 -
[4434] - Quote
So he got drunk and said something stupid, if people were going to get upset they shouldn't have let him take the stand to begin with. A lot of posters seem more concerned with hurting goons than actually feeling sorry for the emo kid. Its an mmo guys you're going to hear drunk people talk get over it. I only hope this incident doesn't bring about a Blizzard like level of PC enforcement. |
Aurora B
FinFleet Raiden.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:13:00 -
[4435] - Quote
Quote: Isabella, I clearly understood what he said:
One player has psychological problems and should get help, and Mittani also has problems (however not psychological) (equally does NOT imply that he has also psychological, but also as big problems as the other one, be it from family, or just because he was drunk or whatever).
Alex has trouble with distinction between real-life and alter ego. HOWEVER: CCP should have recognised that, so in the end, it's CCPs fault, because they should have regognized it. OK, he does not believe CCP has an obligation, but he is surprised that CCP didnt tell Alex that he has problems. So not Alex' fault, but CCP, they should have told him!
He wishs Alex the best anyway.
So what he says is: POOR POOR Alex, BAD BAD CCP and the Mackinaw player is a psychologically troubled person.
You can always blame someone else if your ****** enough.
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Christine Peeveepeeski
Killing With Kindness The Obsidian Front
64
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:14:00 -
[4436] - Quote
You know what's wrong about all this?
The political BS, if anyone here cared about the suicidal guy, that's using him to bash the goons with then you'd have dealt with this without spreading it all over the internet.
I am not condoning what Mittani did, stepping down was the right thing to do but let's be clear. the over reaction against him has also been just as damaging as his actions. I believe the ends (Mittani's removal from office) does not justify the means (dragging eve through the gutter in the gaming press).
If you find yourself saying 'well goons would have done it so we did it to them' then ask yourself who's won EVE ;)
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Enyeto Perah
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:15:00 -
[4437] - Quote
Ferocitane wrote:At current date there is no implant to filter all traffic between brain and mouth. Noone intended incidents like this to happen, but it will happen again in the future on "Polarbeer" Fanfests again in the future.
I support the 1 month ban and being kicked from CSM the remaining period. But the next period too is a bit drastic. Poster rage is non constructive for CSM.
Right, next period is really a drastic reduce of what it should be.
A person as this should NEVER EVER be allowed to be let anywhere NEAR Fanfest, CSM, ISD or whatever! http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught. He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down to benefit Goonswarm. He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face. |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
106
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:23:00 -
[4438] - Quote
Rrroot wrote:So he got drunk and said something stupid, if people were going to get upset they shouldn't have let him take the stand to begin with. A lot of posters seem more concerned with hurting goons than actually feeling sorry for the emo kid. Its an mmo guys you're going to hear drunk people talk get over it. I only hope this incident doesn't bring about a Blizzard like level of PC enforcement.
"I killed a guy but i was drunk so it was okay" |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
250
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:26:00 -
[4439] - Quote
[quote=Enyeto Perah
Isabella, I clearly understood what he said
One player has psychological problems and should get help, and Mittani also has problems (however not psychological) (equally does NOT imply that he has also psychological, but also as big problems as the other one, be it from family, or just because he was drunk or whatever)
Alex has trouble with distinction between real-life and alter ego. HOWEVER: CCP should have recognised that, so in the end, it's CCPs fault, because they should have regognized it. OK, he does not believe CCP has an obligation, but he is surprised that CCP didnt tell Alex that he has problems. So not Alex' fault, but CCP, they should have told him
He wishs Alex the best anyway
So what he says is: POOR POOR Alex, BAD BAD CCP and the Mackinaw player is a psychologically troubled person
[/quote
Erm, yeah pretty much what I wasnt saying but you know whatever. [:=d
C. |
Velyks
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:29:00 -
[4440] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:Ferocitane wrote:At current date there is no implant to filter all traffic between brain and mouth. Noone intended incidents like this to happen, but it will happen again in the future on "Polarbeer" Fanfests again in the future.
I support the 1 month ban and being kicked from CSM the remaining period. But the next period too is a bit drastic. Poster rage is non constructive for CSM. Right, next period is really a drastic reduce of what it should be. A person as this should NEVER EVER be allowed to be let anywhere NEAR Fanfest, CSM, ISD or whatever!
Thank god fanatics such as yourself arn't in decision making positions. http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
861
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:29:00 -
[4441] - Quote
end of the day, who the **** cares? CCP stumbled around blindly and fell into the same dung-filled cesspit that mittens himself pulled them out of. it's funny, really. |
Enyeto Perah
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:34:00 -
[4442] - Quote
Velyks wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:Ferocitane wrote:At current date there is no implant to filter all traffic between brain and mouth. Noone intended incidents like this to happen, but it will happen again in the future on "Polarbeer" Fanfests again in the future.
I support the 1 month ban and being kicked from CSM the remaining period. But the next period too is a bit drastic. Poster rage is non constructive for CSM. Right, next period is really a drastic reduce of what it should be. A person as this should NEVER EVER be allowed to be let anywhere NEAR Fanfest, CSM, ISD or whatever! Thank god fanatics such as yourself arn't in decision making positions.
I apolozie, you are right.
EVE would be much better if all the CSM members would call out for killing people they don't like.
Sorry that I didn't see that in the first place. http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught. He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down to benefit Goonswarm. He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face. |
Eloriena
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:35:00 -
[4443] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:from The Last Mittani. The Last Brennevin.It's a lesson in hubris for Alex. He's been feeling quite untouchable for the last year. That anything he did, he was going to find himself above the fray, no matter how many people he pissed off and outraged. He discovered the line this week. I feel bad for him, though. His game has become the meta-game, and his persona has become that of the King of Space. This is going to be a harsh and sudden change for him. I'm not sure he's going to enjoy being out of the spotlight. I expect he's going to be tremendously bored just playing space CEO. By this time next year, I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to move on from EVE Online to other activities. And if Mittens departs, many Goons will likely follow. The game will be worse for his departure. Worse with fewer Goons.
Poetic, you made some good points but I think that this game is bigger than any one person. Will we notice the difference if TM and some Goons leave? I suspect not. Things will either be just as they are now or we'll find that some new Goons will be decanted from whatever vats they are grown in.
BTW, you missed an excellent opportunity to link all this into some evil plan by E-UNI to take over the CSM |
mindblow
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:35:00 -
[4444] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:end of the day, who the **** cares? CCP stumbled around blindly and fell into the same dung-filled cesspit that mittens himself pulled them out of. it's funny, really.
They're not there yet, but I must agree the last part might be true. |
Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:36:00 -
[4445] - Quote
lolz
good riddance.
Gilbert Intaki wrote:
Time for The Mittani to be biomassed.
mm new biomass for my ******** noob alts |
mindblow
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:37:00 -
[4446] - Quote
Eloriena wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:from The Last Mittani. The Last Brennevin.It's a lesson in hubris for Alex. He's been feeling quite untouchable for the last year. That anything he did, he was going to find himself above the fray, no matter how many people he pissed off and outraged. He discovered the line this week. I feel bad for him, though. His game has become the meta-game, and his persona has become that of the King of Space. This is going to be a harsh and sudden change for him. I'm not sure he's going to enjoy being out of the spotlight. I expect he's going to be tremendously bored just playing space CEO. By this time next year, I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to move on from EVE Online to other activities. And if Mittens departs, many Goons will likely follow. The game will be worse for his departure. Worse with fewer Goons. Poetic, you made some good points but I think that this game is bigger than any one person. Will we notice the difference if TM and some Goons leave? I suspect not. Things will either be just as they are now or we'll find that some new Goons will be decanted from whatever vats they are grown in. BTW, you missed an excellent opportunity to link all this into some evil plan by E-UNI to take over the CSM
You do know Goons are a null sec alliance, do you not?
Quote:I'm not sure he's going to enjoy being out of the spotlight. I expect he's going to be tremendously bored just playing space CEO. By this time next year, I wouldn't be surprised if he decided to move on from EVE Online to other activities. And if Mittens departs, many Goons will likely follow. The game will be worse for his departure. Worse with fewer Goons.
This is very true. |
Velyks
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
7
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:40:00 -
[4447] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:Velyks wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:Ferocitane wrote:At current date there is no implant to filter all traffic between brain and mouth. Noone intended incidents like this to happen, but it will happen again in the future on "Polarbeer" Fanfests again in the future.
I support the 1 month ban and being kicked from CSM the remaining period. But the next period too is a bit drastic. Poster rage is non constructive for CSM. Right, next period is really a drastic reduce of what it should be. A person as this should NEVER EVER be allowed to be let anywhere NEAR Fanfest, CSM, ISD or whatever! Thank god fanatics such as yourself arn't in decision making positions. I apolozie, you are right. EVE would be much better if all the CSM members would call out for killing people they don't like. Sorry that I didn't see that in the first place.
Not everything is black and white, and please stop putting words in my mouth... I don't know (or even want to know) where your hands have been.
He gave up the chair of the CSM as he realised it was a clash of interests with him as a leader of a bloodthirsty alliance. He kept his seat on the CSM as he didn't want to let down the 10,065 people that voted for him (and thus not make their votes pointless). He got a standard ban of 30 days for breaking the Terms of Service which is perfectly reasonable.
All seems fine to me. I guess he'll just carry on being the strongest leader of the strongest alliance in EVE online. http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg |
mindblow
Rionnag Alba Northern Coalition.
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:45:00 -
[4448] - Quote
Too many "strongest" there. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:51:00 -
[4449] - Quote
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:You know what's wrong about all this?
The political BS, if anyone here cared about the suicidal guy, that's using him to bash the goons with then you'd have dealt with this without spreading it all over the internet.
I am not condoning what Mittani did, stepping down was the right thing to do but let's be clear. the over reaction against him has also been just as damaging as his actions. I believe the ends (Mittani's removal from office) does not justify the means (dragging eve through the gutter in the gaming press).
Pretty much this; although I'm sure this won't be the last time situations like this get used like this. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:56:00 -
[4450] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:You know what's wrong about all this?
The political BS, if anyone here cared about the suicidal guy, that's using him to bash the goons with then you'd have dealt with this without spreading it all over the internet.
I am not condoning what Mittani did, stepping down was the right thing to do but let's be clear. the over reaction against him has also been just as damaging as his actions. I believe the ends (Mittani's removal from office) does not justify the means (dragging eve through the gutter in the gaming press).
Pretty much this; although I'm sure this won't be the last time situations like this get used like this.
with some hope it was the last time we see a CSM member make such a **** of himself on a live feed.
be clear, it was the actions of your leader Alex that brought the attention in the first place.
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Myobi Rush
The Ostrogoths Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:01:00 -
[4451] - Quote
Good riddance! Rude and arrogant prick like you don't deserve that position anyway. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:04:00 -
[4452] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:You know what's wrong about all this?
The political BS, if anyone here cared about the suicidal guy, that's using him to bash the goons with then you'd have dealt with this without spreading it all over the internet.
I am not condoning what Mittani did, stepping down was the right thing to do but let's be clear. the over reaction against him has also been just as damaging as his actions. I believe the ends (Mittani's removal from office) does not justify the means (dragging eve through the gutter in the gaming press).
Pretty much this; although I'm sure this won't be the last time situations like this get used like this. with some hope it was the last time we see a CSM member make such a **** of himself on a live feed. be clear, it was the actions of your leader Alex that brought the attention in the first place.
People are going to continue to say stupid ****, people will continue to attempt to blow it up further. The Mittani did **** up.
Not many people will actually care about the person involved in this; although I am honestly quite surprised CCP haven't just offered them character renames at this point so that they can not be a great big flashing target forever more.
Jita's still going to burn anyway! |
Velyks
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
8
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:04:00 -
[4453] - Quote
Myobi Rush wrote:Good riddance! Rude and arrogant prick like you don't deserve that position anyway.
Thats pretty rude and arrogant of you... http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg |
Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
12
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:05:00 -
[4454] - Quote
I do have that thank Mittani for giving up the CSM and whatnot, as to be honest, I don't want him representing me as a player of EVE. Nothing personal about Goon, hells, I love WI. but still... It is a huge clash of interest, wanting to be the biggest pain in EVE whilst also representing players to both CCP and the public. So yeah, I do have to thank him for separating himself from that position (being serious there too).
Also, I would like to point out, attacking Jita because "carebears" wont fight back...considering you guys need the markets too, even if you think you don't, it's gonna come back to bite you on the ass. Considering how lacking your leader is in terms of thinking about consequences, I figured I should point this out for you guys. Plus, most people will treat it like Hulkageddon and dock up or stay clear (or, those paying attention will). |
Nyag
Noctiscion
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:34:00 -
[4455] - Quote
Odd
Looks like a guy got carried away with his own hype and then the world blew up in his face.
Ok, not great.
Same guy is the one who looks after all eve players etc because he is on the CSM. Stuff happens because he is involved, like rain and crop growth.......
mmmkay
but now he is suddenly unfit? Why? Becuause he's a bullshitter? Because he is nasty?
I have no love of the goons, or their out of game ethos etc, however their presence adds to our game.
That the Mittani was a fool at this event is just that. He was a dork. Does not mean that he isn't a positive force in the eve game or that he can't help shape opinion.
I don't want to fly a spacehip in a universe where I have to consider the feelings and motive, the mental state, and potential feng shui of the guy whose grinding ice.
This is a non-consensual environment
So we are going to be in situations where folk will invest serious emotion into their stuff and some bum takes it away.
WE WILL, WE WILL, MOCK YOU - Sing it Freddie
I worry that because Mittani is so high profile, and this is partly due to his own self aggrandisement, that we expect him to be a politician.
He's a **** that plays on the internet instead of looking at ****. Same as you and me.
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PokupatelMax
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:34:00 -
[4456] - Quote
Velyks wrote: ....All seems fine to me. I guess he'll just carry on being the strongest leader of the strongest alliance in EVE online.
^ That. I hope people realize that the only thing they are achieving with with Mittani hate posts is just fueling energy into CFC. At the end of the day CCPs screw up will cause space to burn. What Mittani said was S..t, What CCP did was S..t. However blood everywhere is going to create so much tasty salvage |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:41:00 -
[4457] - Quote
PokupatelMax wrote:Velyks wrote: ....All seems fine to me. I guess he'll just carry on being the strongest leader of the strongest alliance in EVE online.
^ That. I hope people realize that the only thing they are achieving with with Mittani hate posts is just fueling energy into CFC. At the end of the day CCPs screw up will cause space to burn. What Mittani said was S..t, What CCP did was S..t. However blood everywhere is going to create so much tasty salvage
Not really. Jita is going to burn because it's going to burn, nothing to do with all this. A does not imply B. |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
23
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:45:00 -
[4458] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:PokupatelMax wrote:Velyks wrote: ....All seems fine to me. I guess he'll just carry on being the strongest leader of the strongest alliance in EVE online.
^ That. I hope people realize that the only thing they are achieving with with Mittani hate posts is just fueling energy into CFC. At the end of the day CCPs screw up will cause space to burn. What Mittani said was S..t, What CCP did was S..t. However blood everywhere is going to create so much tasty salvage Not really. Jita is going to burn because it's going to burn, nothing to do with all this. A does not imply B.
How is it going to burn when, due to the sheer number of Concord ships that build up on grids in Jita, ganking becomes nigh on impossible? |
Nyag
Noctiscion
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:46:00 -
[4459] - Quote
A does not imply B?
You can't say that
If you hold to that idea then Mittani can't claim to be responsible for all of the fixes CCP are putting in............... |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
451
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:48:00 -
[4460] - Quote
Sunviking wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:PokupatelMax wrote:Velyks wrote: ....All seems fine to me. I guess he'll just carry on being the strongest leader of the strongest alliance in EVE online.
^ That. I hope people realize that the only thing they are achieving with with Mittani hate posts is just fueling energy into CFC. At the end of the day CCPs screw up will cause space to burn. What Mittani said was S..t, What CCP did was S..t. However blood everywhere is going to create so much tasty salvage Not really. Jita is going to burn because it's going to burn, nothing to do with all this. A does not imply B. How is it going to burn when, due to the sheer number of Concord ships that build up on grids in Jita, ganking becomes nigh on impossible?
Look, heres somoene who understands the concord aggresion rules. (irony, just saying coz I know- Eve...) Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:50:00 -
[4461] - Quote
Nyag wrote:A does not imply B?
You can't say that
If you hold to that idea then Mittani can't claim to be responsible for all of the fixes CCP are putting in...............
*sigh* it's a logic thing that I was talking about.
A is the whole thing going on. B is Jita burning.
B was going to happen regardless of A. Therefore A does not imply B in this case.
Sunviking wrote:How is it going to burn when, due to the sheer number of Concord ships that build up on grids in Jita, ganking becomes nigh on impossible?
TiDi means the node won't (shouldn't) die. As long as the node's up you can gank. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
965
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:54:00 -
[4462] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:PokupatelMax wrote:Velyks wrote: ....All seems fine to me. I guess he'll just carry on being the strongest leader of the strongest alliance in EVE online.
^ That. I hope people realize that the only thing they are achieving with with Mittani hate posts is just fueling energy into CFC. At the end of the day CCPs screw up will cause space to burn. What Mittani said was S..t, What CCP did was S..t. However blood everywhere is going to create so much tasty salvage Not really. Jita is going to burn because it's going to burn, nothing to do with all this. A does not imply B.
I know a lot, like my self, that always shoot wrecks just because jerks rage and tears are so tasty.
Ho, and it's good for eve economy. |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
23
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:55:00 -
[4463] - Quote
Gilbert Intaki wrote:
Time for The Mittani to be biomassed.
I'm glad he got banned and removed from CSM. Large tracts of the playerbase in EVE need to grow up, its time for EVE to grow up and become a proper, mature and sensible game, albeit one where people's primary goal is to have fun generally, rather than have fun by ruining other people's game.
I fully agree with what CCP have said in their latest devblog. I might actually go back to playing this game a bit more if certain sections of the community grow up.
Mittani is clearly one of the worst elements of this game, and the less there is of his sort around the better. |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
23
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:56:00 -
[4464] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Nyag wrote:A does not imply B?
You can't say that
If you hold to that idea then Mittani can't claim to be responsible for all of the fixes CCP are putting in............... *sigh* it's a logic thing that I was talking about. A is the whole thing going on. B is Jita burning. B was going to happen regardless of A. Therefore A does not imply B in this case. Sunviking wrote:How is it going to burn when, due to the sheer number of Concord ships that build up on grids in Jita, ganking becomes nigh on impossible? TiDi means the node won't (shouldn't) die. As long as the node's up you can gank.
Apologies - not being clear enough. What I am saying, is that will your Tornado gank someone in time if the 100 Concord Commanders ongrid insta-pop you before you get off a second shot? |
Issyt Amun IV
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:07:00 -
[4465] - Quote
Bad shame it is, this is famous Mittani citizen of eve show intelligence so clear it is that he sound this, and too great education in his pleasing State of Goons mp3 voice.
But! at hearth of our homes we say this thing often; intelligence and university years (not in eve game, but yes real place) without the -Wisdom- can never to great big great things lead with prediction in the calendar. Can we wonder too if the Goonswarm has this wise guy, or woman waiting, in the wings of goose or duck feathers, as we say, with sharp determination ready to pounce as replacement ?? -in this way you may think Goonswarm friends make better judgmentals in their future with true focus. It is likened to spectacles with wrong optical prescribe notice, fuzzy vision it can be, now, but not forever.
So this intelligence eduction and wisdom make powerful combination of it all three and there is someone surely ??
Greetings.
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Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:10:00 -
[4466] - Quote
Nyag wrote:Odd
I don't want to fly a spaceship in a universe where I have to consider the feelings and motive, the mental state, and potential feng shui of the guy whose grinding ice.
This is a non-consensual environment
So we are going to be in situations where folk will invest serious emotion into their stuff and some bum takes it away.
Close, but a bit off the mark mate. If you don't know someones condition in EVE, you don't need to care...but when you specifically know someone is having trouble, you do not go out of your way to continue to push them.
Say me for example, you don't know me and I don't know you. Neither of us needs to care about the other and we can grief and whatnot, without issue. However, if we were to learn the other was in some dire state (be it emotional or physical) we would at least have to consider the impact our actions take. This is part of morality, or moral integrity. Now if I learned you were depressed, I'd probably leave you alone and let you get on with whatever it was you were doing...but that's just me...and not only that, I wouldn't carry any ill will out into the real world and tell people to find you and abuse you. Most people can keep game things like that in game, and also know that something like that is wrong and shouldn't be done.
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Mechzero
Eighty Joule Brewery Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:12:00 -
[4467] - Quote
Inferno trailer better have The Mittani burning in a fire in it. |
Enyeto Perah
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:20:00 -
[4468] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:so goons attack jita, bring thousands of ships to what ? drop the node ? isn't that attacking CCP and not the players ? i can't see them ganking and lossing ships in the thousands to condord, i hope they do, it will be the biggest emo rage in ages.
Best for all: Permaban for all Pooswarmers... http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught. He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down to benefit Goonswarm. He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:23:00 -
[4469] - Quote
Hornet Kinsa wrote:Sunviking wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Nyag wrote:A does not imply B?
You can't say that
If you hold to that idea then Mittani can't claim to be responsible for all of the fixes CCP are putting in............... *sigh* it's a logic thing that I was talking about. A is the whole thing going on. B is Jita burning. B was going to happen regardless of A. Therefore A does not imply B in this case. Sunviking wrote:How is it going to burn when, due to the sheer number of Concord ships that build up on grids in Jita, ganking becomes nigh on impossible? TiDi means the node won't (shouldn't) die. As long as the node's up you can gank. Apologies - not being clear enough. What I am saying, is that will your Tornado gank someone in time if the 100 Concord Commanders ongrid insta-pop you before you get off a second shot? No need to get off that second shot when you have a second tornado right next to you... and a third, and fourth,fifth,sixth,seventh,ect...
have you ever ganked a frighter in high lag situation ? What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3197
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:25:00 -
[4470] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:so goons attack jita, bring thousands of ships to what ? drop the node ? isn't that attacking CCP and not the players ? i can't see them ganking and lossing ships in the thousands to condord, i hope they do, it will be the biggest emo rage in ages. Best for all: Permaban for all Pooswarmers...
You realise that you sound more "goony" than goons do?
Cultural victory, I guess.
Also: at people who think that logging in to shoot spaceships is "attacking CCP". Seriously, what?
They're not going to be "attacking CCP".
They're going to be attacking you. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Headerman
Quovis CORE Alliance
838
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:28:00 -
[4471] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:so goons attack jita, bring thousands of ships to what ? drop the node ? isn't that attacking CCP and not the players ? i can't see them ganking and lossing ships in the thousands to condord, i hope they do, it will be the biggest emo rage in ages. Best for all: Permaban for all Pooswarmers... You realise that you sound more "goony" than goons do?
It's irony just ironing itself out The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Enyeto Perah
9
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:30:00 -
[4472] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:so goons attack jita, bring thousands of ships to what ? drop the node ? isn't that attacking CCP and not the players ? i can't see them ganking and lossing ships in the thousands to condord, i hope they do, it will be the biggest emo rage in ages. Best for all: Permaban for all Pooswarmers... You realise that you sound more "goony" than goons do? Cultural victory, I guess. Also: at people who think that logging in to shoot spaceships is "attacking CCP". Seriously, what? They're not going to be "attacking CCP". They're going to be attacking you.
I dont think they will only be shootin spaceships.
And about that goony nonsense: I don't care how I sound when I make a comment.
Even if I sound goony, I'll never be a Pooswarmer.
Ceterum censeo Goonswarm esse delendam!
And biomassed... in and out of game! http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught. He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down to benefit Goonswarm. He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3197
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:32:00 -
[4473] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:Malcanis wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:so goons attack jita, bring thousands of ships to what ? drop the node ? isn't that attacking CCP and not the players ? i can't see them ganking and lossing ships in the thousands to condord, i hope they do, it will be the biggest emo rage in ages. Best for all: Permaban for all Pooswarmers... You realise that you sound more "goony" than goons do? Cultural victory, I guess. Also: at people who think that logging in to shoot spaceships is "attacking CCP". Seriously, what? They're not going to be "attacking CCP". They're going to be attacking you. I dont think they will only be shootin spaceships. And about that goony nonsense: I don't care how I sound when I make a comment. Even if I sound goony, I'll never be a Pooswarmer. Ceterum censeo Goonswarm esse delendam! And biomassed... in and out of game!
"pooswarmer"
Were you up all night thinking that one up?
Go on then, explain to us what else you "think" they'll do? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:33:00 -
[4474] - Quote
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:You know what's wrong about all this?
The political BS, if anyone here cared about the suicidal guy, that's using him to bash the goons with then you'd have dealt with this without spreading it all over the internet.
I am not condoning what Mittani did, stepping down was the right thing to do but let's be clear. the over reaction against him has also been just as damaging as his actions. I believe the ends (Mittani's removal from office) does not justify the means (dragging eve through the gutter in the gaming press).
It is probably true that the reaction to Mittani has been surprisingly strong. However, I do not think it is a question of irrational hatred towards him or a political calculated play but rather a question of what he did being something that a lot of the playerbase have for long considered undesirable. Past 5-6 years the game social environment has gotten gradually worse all the time, until we are at a point where it is perfectly acceptable and even expected of the alliance leader panel to consist of drunken ridiculing of each others' rivals, rather than actual discussion about alliances by our most successful alliance leaders, and where newcomers to EVE are routinely told that pointing and laughing at other people's real-life upsets are "part of the game".
When the HTFU line first went up, a lot of us cheered it, and thought it to be about the fact that EVE is a rough game where losing actually hurts, unlike W... some other MMOGs where you prance around incorporeal for a while and get to keep all your stuff. We did not think or imagine it to be used as an excuse to verbally abuse other players. Like I said elsewhere, when Mittani crossed the line, to be fair, it was not like everyone else was being polite and sober in some completely other direction, and he just suddenly ran to the line and jumped over it - it was more like there was a crowd at or across the line, he was drunk, and staggered a step too far in the wrong direction.
The outrage we see (and I feel, too) is probably in a large part a reaction to that proverbial crowd. Mittani deserved what he got, totally, but my guess is that why people are screaming about it still is because it was not an isolated incident, it was just a demonstration that it has gotten so bad that even CSM chairs can do this and people will come to their defense. His case was well-handled by CCP, but if he alone is made the scapegoat here and CCP (lack of) enforcing civil behavior continues as is, things will not get better. In fact, they will probably get worse, and these incidents repeat until someone does die and/or EVE loses a lot of non-goonie players who will rather not deal with the BS or something such. |
Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:33:00 -
[4475] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:
If you bring real life online then that is you problem IMHO. The Cloud does not forget. Every piece of data that you put online stays online...guess what: It-¦s not gone when YOU delete it on your end of the line. If you share your private life with strangers then you basically agree on everything afterwards. Thatis also the reason why I think that people that upload pictures of their kids on e.g. facebook are complete retards.(They give away their "rights" on the pictures of their kids). Dont say you were hurt...you should have seperated "private" from "online" in the first place.
Dude, not cool. Everyone has accepted by now that there is a boundary in terms of what is acceptable, if you haven't managed to catch up, then for the love of god get with the program soon. Also, Mittens took the issue out of the game and into the real world, so he will suffer the real world effects of that. Keeping things in game works both ways. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
118
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:35:00 -
[4476] - Quote
Skyreth wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:
If you bring real life online then that is you problem IMHO. The Cloud does not forget. Every piece of data that you put online stays online...guess what: It-¦s not gone when YOU delete it on your end of the line. If you share your private life with strangers then you basically agree on everything afterwards. Thatis also the reason why I think that people that upload pictures of their kids on e.g. facebook are complete retards.(They give away their "rights" on the pictures of their kids). Dont say you were hurt...you should have seperated "private" from "online" in the first place.
Dude, not cool. Everyone has accepted by now that there is a boundary in terms of what is acceptable, if you haven't managed to catch up, then for the love of god get with the program soon. Also, Mittens took the issue out of the game and into the real world, so he will suffer the real world effects of that. Keeping things in game works both ways. Also, if you play a game that is too much to your psyche, yes, you are doing something wrong. But that does not mean that people who deliberately make you feel even worse are doing it right, either. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
55
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:38:00 -
[4477] - Quote
Sunviking wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:PokupatelMax wrote:Velyks wrote: ....All seems fine to me. I guess he'll just carry on being the strongest leader of the strongest alliance in EVE online.
^ That. I hope people realize that the only thing they are achieving with with Mittani hate posts is just fueling energy into CFC. At the end of the day CCPs screw up will cause space to burn. What Mittani said was S..t, What CCP did was S..t. However blood everywhere is going to create so much tasty salvage Not really. Jita is going to burn because it's going to burn, nothing to do with all this. A does not imply B. How is it going to burn when, due to the sheer number of Concord ships that build up on grids in Jita, ganking becomes nigh on impossible?
Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking.
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Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:41:00 -
[4478] - Quote
Doddy wrote: Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking.
It would take even Goon a month or so to ruin the Jita market, and by the time they did, the market would have moved to another "safer" hub. They have lots to choose from. Kinda seems redundant, but to each their own. Good luck and I am looking forward to seeing PLEX loss mails.
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
50
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Posted - 2012.03.29 13:52:00 -
[4479] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Sunviking wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:PokupatelMax wrote:Velyks wrote: ....All seems fine to me. I guess he'll just carry on being the strongest leader of the strongest alliance in EVE online.
^ That. I hope people realize that the only thing they are achieving with with Mittani hate posts is just fueling energy into CFC. At the end of the day CCPs screw up will cause space to burn. What Mittani said was S..t, What CCP did was S..t. However blood everywhere is going to create so much tasty salvage Not really. Jita is going to burn because it's going to burn, nothing to do with all this. A does not imply B. How is it going to burn when, due to the sheer number of Concord ships that build up on grids in Jita, ganking becomes nigh on impossible? Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking.
and CB-¦s dont know how to spawn concord ongrid ?
this will be a fun event ..
node will go down , goons will be asked to stop atacking the node goons will whine and not stop CCP will banhammer a few , more whine , and an ocean tears will be harvestet What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
119
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 13:52:00 -
[4480] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend. |
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
38
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 13:54:00 -
[4481] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend.
A lot of people who don't know how CONCORD work here! |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
50
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 13:57:00 -
[4482] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend. A lot of people who don't know how CONCORD work here!
goes for both sides
What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 13:59:00 -
[4483] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend. A lot of people who don't know how CONCORD work here! goes for both sides
If anyone thinks the presence of CONCORD on grid is going to stop a single ship from dying they are sadly, sadly mistaken.
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Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:01:00 -
[4484] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Also: at people who think that logging in to shoot spaceships is "attacking CCP". Seriously, what?
They're not going to be "attacking CCP".
They're going to be attacking you.
Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS): look it up.
10/10 for terribad analogy use. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3198
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:02:00 -
[4485] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend.
You might want to learn about the subjects you pontificate about rather than bring disgrace on your corp by making yourself look ignorant. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:04:00 -
[4486] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend. You might want to learn about the subjects you pontificate about rather than bring disgrace on your corp by making yourself look ignorant.
You joining the Jita party when it all starts? |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:05:00 -
[4487] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend. A lot of people who don't know how CONCORD work here! goes for both sides If anyone thinks the presence of CONCORD on grid is going to stop a single ship from dying they are sadly, sadly mistaken.
to make jita burn you need to kill more than a single ship 23/7 for a long time
dont think his plan will work, but well see What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3201
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:06:00 -
[4488] - Quote
Katja Faith wrote:Malcanis wrote:Also: at people who think that logging in to shoot spaceships is "attacking CCP". Seriously, what?
They're not going to be "attacking CCP".
They're going to be attacking you. Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS): look it up. 10/10 for terribad analogy use.
I know what a DDoS is, but I'm not sure you do. Fighting a space battle in a PvP MMO isn't an example of one.
I also rather suspect that you don't know what an analogy is either. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1373
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:09:00 -
[4489] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Malcanis wrote:Also: at people who think that logging in to shoot spaceships is "attacking CCP". Seriously, what?
They're not going to be "attacking CCP".
They're going to be attacking you. Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS): look it up. 10/10 for terribad analogy use. I know what a DDoS is, but I'm not sure you do. Fighting a space battle in a PvP MMO isn't an example of one. I also rather suspect that you don't know what an analogy is either.
I never realized I was participating in DD0S attacks all those years, I thought I was just participating in large fleet battles that sometimes were too much for the node in a computer game.
I'm so ashamed. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Nikodiemus
Perkone Caldari State
19
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:09:00 -
[4490] - Quote
Man shows up trashed to public event and speaks. Man drunkenly trashes fellow player. Great outcry. Man resigns. Gets more votes next time. Great success.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:11:00 -
[4491] - Quote
Skyreth wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:
If you bring real life online then that is you problem IMHO. The Cloud does not forget. Every piece of data that you put online stays online...guess what: It-¦s not gone when YOU delete it on your end of the line. If you share your private life with strangers then you basically agree on everything afterwards. Thatis also the reason why I think that people that upload pictures of their kids on e.g. facebook are complete retards.(They give away their "rights" on the pictures of their kids). Dont say you were hurt...you should have seperated "private" from "online" in the first place.
Dude, not cool. Everyone has accepted by now that there is a boundary in terms of what is acceptable, if you haven't managed to catch up, then for the love of god get with the program soon. Also, Mittens took the issue out of the game and into the real world, so he will suffer the real world effects of that. Keeping things in game works both ways.
Of course you are right that what was said was wrong. Nobody denies that. I just want to point out that there is also something like "self-responsibilty" what content of your real life you want to toss into the sharks basin (for everyone). Putting it out of the game is something equally stupid, and I guess nobody denies that either. BUT: (I do not know if you saw the original bio of this guy...I did some days ago when the **** hit the fan)
I can not see the justification for the "victim" to say something like: "I am hurt because you made fun of parts of my real life that I made availabe to EVERYONE"
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3201
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:11:00 -
[4492] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Malcanis wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend. You might want to learn about the subjects you pontificate about rather than bring disgrace on your corp by making yourself look ignorant. You joining the Jita party when it all starts?
x Tornado Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:12:00 -
[4493] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Malcanis wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend. You might want to learn about the subjects you pontificate about rather than bring disgrace on your corp by making yourself look ignorant. You joining the Jita party when it all starts? x Tornado
:hifive: |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:17:00 -
[4494] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Malcanis wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Malcanis wrote:Also: at people who think that logging in to shoot spaceships is "attacking CCP". Seriously, what?
They're not going to be "attacking CCP".
They're going to be attacking you. Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS): look it up. 10/10 for terribad analogy use. I know what a DDoS is, but I'm not sure you do. Fighting a space battle in a PvP MMO isn't an example of one. I also rather suspect that you don't know what an analogy is either. I never realized I was participating in DD0S attacks all those years, I thought I was just participating in large fleet battles that sometimes were too much for the node in a computer game. I'm so ashamed.
DDoS may not be the correct term but you will be asked to stop attacking the node if jita goes down multiple times so its quite a good analogy What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:17:00 -
[4495] - Quote
First, he get's drunk like a teenager (on stage). Then he proceeds to rant in general about victims of scams and griefing, and about a depressed individual in particular - which he then proceeds to encourage others to help induce to commit suicide(!)
Then he feigns contrition and issues an apology to save his skin.
Having discovered that this ruse hasn't had the desired effect, he then becomes thoroughly entertaining....
Like a small baby having had its pacifier taken away, he lashed out at CCP, even though everyone can see that it is all entirely of his own doing. And whilst publicly proclaiming that he is contrite, and whilst posting official apologies on the forums, he also releases a State of the Goonian (link) where he advocates an all out attack on Jita (because he can't touch CCP itself), under the rather pathetic guise of it being some sort of socio-economic behavioral experiment to see how CCP will respond and whether EVE is still EVE.
In addition to this, he puts a new image up on his blog (link), suggesting that actually it isn't really his fault but that of CCP and (incredibly) the prevailing culture regarding alchohol consumption in Iceland....(!) Talk about trying to dodge responsibility for your own actions.
What an utter load on BS, coming from an obviously morally flawed, manic deppressive and very obviously bipolar sociopath.
My deepest sympathies. I can't be easy being the way he is. |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:21:00 -
[4496] - Quote
Sorry but i dont buy your cheap story about ( madnes because of drunk) espetialy after i go to this site http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march and i lysten what you have to say, you still sound like arogant idiot and you realy dont care about your act. |
Caldari Citizen20110707
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
8
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:21:00 -
[4497] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88490&find=unread
Did you forgot about the dutch mittens? |
Velyks
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:23:00 -
[4498] - Quote
Caldari Citizen20110707 wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88490&find=unread
Did you forgot about the dutch mittens?
What the hell is a Holland? http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1373
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:23:00 -
[4499] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Malcanis wrote:Katja Faith wrote:Malcanis wrote:Also: at people who think that logging in to shoot spaceships is "attacking CCP". Seriously, what?
They're not going to be "attacking CCP".
They're going to be attacking you. Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS): look it up. 10/10 for terribad analogy use. I know what a DDoS is, but I'm not sure you do. Fighting a space battle in a PvP MMO isn't an example of one. I also rather suspect that you don't know what an analogy is either. I never realized I was participating in DD0S attacks all those years, I thought I was just participating in large fleet battles that sometimes were too much for the node in a computer game. I'm so ashamed. DDoS may not be the correct term but you will be asked to stop attacking the node if jita goes down multiple times so its quite a good analogy
Actually, I strongly suspect emails will be sent to CCP notifying them of a perfect chance to observe the node under stress... they love that sort of thing and encourage it.
So if the node does finally go down, they'll ask for a break in the action long enough to make some adjustments and then start monitoring again.
In truth this activity will make the game stronger in a variety of ways, technologically, economically, and socially... not to mention generating yet another huge wave of positive mdeia coverage as the gaming world marvels at a game where such things are not only possible, but encouraged.
I can't wait. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
53
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:25:00 -
[4500] - Quote
Gilbert Intaki wrote:First, he get's drunk like a teenager (on stage). Then he proceeds to rant in general about victims of scams and griefing, and about a depressed individual in particular - which he then proceeds to encourage others to help induce to commit suicide(!) Then he feigns contrition and issues an apology to save his skin. Having discovered that this ruse hasn't had the desired effect, he then becomes thoroughly entertaining.... Like a small baby having had its pacifier taken away, he lashed out at CCP, even though everyone can see that it is all entirely of his own doing. And whilst publicly proclaiming that he is contrite, and whilst posting official apologies on the forums, he also releases a State of the Goonian ( link) where he advocates an all out attack on Jita (because he can't touch CCP itself), under the rather pathetic guise of it being some sort of socio-economic behavioral experiment to see how CCP will respond and whether EVE is still EVE. In addition to this, he puts a new image up on his blog ( link), suggesting that actually it isn't really his fault but that of CCP and (incredibly) the prevailing culture regarding alchohol consumption in Iceland....(!) Talk about trying to dodge responsibility for your own actions. What an utter load on BS, coming from an obviously morally flawed, manic deppressive and very obviously bipolar sociopath. My deepest sympathies. I can't be easy being the way he is.
+1 |
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Velyks
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
11
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:27:00 -
[4501] - Quote
I for one will be sitting in Jita in a tornado shooting anything big (sometimes small) and shiney coming out of 4-4. Anyone else? http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:27:00 -
[4502] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:
I can't wait.
here we agree will be interresting What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
124
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:28:00 -
[4503] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:DDoS may not be the correct term but you will be asked to stop attacking the node if jita goes down multiple times so its quite a good analogy At the worst you might be asked to stop until they have time to reinforce it, methinks.
Being able to go to Jita is not a civil right protected by CCP.
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:28:00 -
[4504] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Malcanis wrote:Katja Faith wrote:
Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS): look it up.
10/10 for terribad analogy use.
I know what a DDoS is, but I'm not sure you do. Fighting a space battle in a PvP MMO isn't an example of one. I also rather suspect that you don't know what an analogy is either. I never realized I was participating in DD0S attacks all those years, I thought I was just participating in large fleet battles that sometimes were too much for the node in a computer game. I'm so ashamed. DDoS may not be the correct term but you will be asked to stop attacking the node if jita goes down multiple times so its quite a good analogy Actually, I strongly suspect emails will be sent to CCP notifying them of a perfect chance to observe the node under stress... they love that sort of thing and encourage it. So if the node does finally go down, they'll ask for a break in the action long enough to make some adjustments and then start monitoring again. In truth this activity will make the game stronger in a variety of ways, technologically, economically, and socially... not to mention generating yet another huge wave of positive mdeia coverage as the gaming world marvels at a game where such things are not only possible, but encouraged. I can't wait.
Pretty much; wouldn't surprise me if they invite some industry specialists as well to look at the data, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for a lot of engineers. Hell, I'd love to, and my main field isn't really networking! |
Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:31:00 -
[4505] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote:
Of course you are right that what was said was wrong. Nobody denies that. I just want to point out that there is also something like "self-responsibilty" what content of your real life you want to toss into the sharks basin (for everyone). Putting it out of the game is something equally stupid, and I guess nobody denies that either. BUT: (I do not know if you saw the original bio of this guy...I did some days ago when the **** hit the fan)
I can not see the justification for the "victim" to say something like: "I am hurt because you made fun of parts of my real life that I made available to EVERYONE"
You do make a valid point, but most people suffering from anything that alters ones thinking generally don't make the most rational choices. Sort of both sides being right...eh, hard to explain. That being said, Mittens has the support of his Alliance, where as the guy he targeted doesn't have that sort of backup...so I think he is just doing what he can to try to handle the situation. Even if it is ill-advised attempts.
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
51
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:34:00 -
[4506] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:DDoS may not be the correct term but you will be asked to stop attacking the node if jita goes down multiple times so its quite a good analogy At the worst you might be asked to stop until they have time to reinforce it, methinks. Being able to go to Jita is not a civil right protected by CCP.
there is nothing much to reinforce , its already a 1 solarsystem cluster on a supernode as i understand it with a ceiling of 2,4k players allowed on it
yes there is nothing to protect you , but bringing the node down multiple time will cause an reaction
but thats all speculation , we will see
What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
MacaMan
Tactical Ameba
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:36:00 -
[4507] - Quote
More thinking, less drinking, you ****** |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 14:37:00 -
[4508] - Quote
shall be interesting for sure, hey goons !
DO IT !
if ya dare |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:39:00 -
[4509] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend.
I would expect you to know mechanics better. I mean aren't you guys meant to be pro anti-pirates? Removing concord from the grid as nothing to do with avoiding consequences, a new spawn appears and kills you (or the old one returns from wherever you moved it). It is merely the way to remove concord spawns from previous attacks or which have been deliberately spawned by others for protection. It actually makes the mechanic work as intended as instead of an unrelated concord spawn instakilling you it reverts to the normal concord response time. |
Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:39:00 -
[4510] - Quote
I am looking forward to (what I will call) this "Jita Raid" from the Goons. Yeah, it will **** a lot of people off, but so does disco ships in the Jita undock. But if Goons do this right, it could mean increased business in the other trade hubs and possibly a spread of wealth through most of Empire space, just because Jita won't be safe for business. Yeah, Goons will get a fair few kills (and I am hoping some funny ones), but the benefits that could be possible do have me interested (could mean people are less interested in a "main" trade hub too, due to security risks like this). |
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:44:00 -
[4511] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend. I would expect you to know mechanics better. I mean aren't you guys meant to be pro anti-pirates? Removing concord from the grid as nothing to do with avoiding consequences, a new spawn appears and kills you (or the old one returns from wherever you moved it). It is merely the way to remove concord spawns from previous attacks or which have been deliberately spawned by others for protection. It actually makes the mechanic work as intended as instead of an unrelated concord spawn instakilling you it reverts to the normal concord response time.
I think this is actually a great mechanic btw, both being able to spawn concord for protection and move it away. As pizi rightly says any attack on Jita will probably end up in a race between spawners and movers.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:49:00 -
[4512] - Quote
Skyreth wrote:Eugene Kerner wrote:
Of course you are right that what was said was wrong. Nobody denies that. I just want to point out that there is also something like "self-responsibilty" what content of your real life you want to toss into the sharks basin (for everyone). Putting it out of the game is something equally stupid, and I guess nobody denies that either. BUT: (I do not know if you saw the original bio of this guy...I did some days ago when the **** hit the fan)
I can not see the justification for the "victim" to say something like: "I am hurt because you made fun of parts of my real life that I made available to EVERYONE"
You do make a valid point, but most people suffering from anything that alters ones thinking generally don't make the most rational choices. Sort of both sides being right...eh, hard to explain. That being said, Mittens has the support of his Alliance, where as the guy he targeted doesn't have that sort of backup...so I think he is just doing what he can to try to handle the situation. Even if it is ill-advised attempts.
Well he really is in a tricky situation and I would not want to switch. He probably should see it from the bright side...he is part of what will probably become the grief of the millenia! Front row....not everybody can say that...here is something for his car bumper sticker (as reality seems to fuse with eve here) : Jita burned and I lived or Jita do not mess with The Wis (if thats no ambiguousness...) |
T0R1 BL4CK
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 14:54:00 -
[4513] - Quote
mittani, you are one of the rare but true assholes I have virtually met my life. hope you have a miserable life in your 30days temp ban. looking forward to see your **** loads of tornados in jita, violating the EULA - "grief play". curious how CCP will react to that. another proof of endless love like the temp ban instead of a well deserved perma ban? who knows.
29.4.2012, JITA. cu **** sucker there! |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
453
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:01:00 -
[4514] - Quote
T0R1 BL4CK wrote:mittani, you are one of the rare but true assholes I have virtually met my life. hope you have a miserable life in your 30days temp ban. looking forward to see your **** loads of tornados in jita, violating the EULA - "grief play". curious how CCP will react to that. another proof of endless love like the temp ban instead of a well deserved perma ban? who knows.
29.4.2012, JITA. cu **** sucker there!
Hmm, pretty insulting post there mate, you angry? And ganking people isnt griefplay, attacking a hisec system isnt griefplay, destroying your little empire isnt griefplay.
Using language like you do in a public forum may be considered griefing, particularly as it insinuates that The MIttani should suffer in real life, most certainly if it was directed at me I would petition you. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
raven415
Industrious Implements
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:01:00 -
[4515] - Quote
goons will be goons. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
61
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:02:00 -
[4516] - Quote
T0R1 BL4CK wrote:mittani, you are one of the rare but true assholes I have virtually met my life. hope you have a miserable life in your 30days temp ban. looking forward to see your **** loads of tornados in jita, violating the EULA - "grief play". curious how CCP will react to that. another proof of endless love like the temp ban instead of a well deserved perma ban? who knows.
29.4.2012, JITA. cu **** sucker there!
Isn't a violation of the EULA since it is not directed at any player that will prevent them having an enjoyable experience. Jita is one system out of how many? It is surrounded by other highsec that traders can work with. Any Jita siege would be extremely tough to prolong. CCP has advanced notice, there is TiDi etc and a month advance notice. How the players themselves act individually is the only thing that would really violate any clause.
However, should CCP say don't do this, or that it violate rules. That is a precidence that in the end would result in the complete loss of the sandbox that makes eve interesting. If highsec stayed truely isolated, the whole game would stagnate and just wilt. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
18
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:04:00 -
[4517] - Quote
raven415 wrote:goons will be goons.
lets make a song out of that: goons will be goons...forever ahaaaand alwaaays
now you |
Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
13
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:07:00 -
[4518] - Quote
Eugene Kerner wrote: Well he really is in a tricky situation and I would not want to switch. He probably should see it from the bright side...he is part of what will probably become the grief of the millenia! Front row....not everybody can say that...here is something for his car bumper sticker (as reality seems to fuse with eve here) : Jita burned and I lived or Jita do not mess with The Wis (if thats no ambiguousness...)
Yeah, true. Gotta hand it to him though, considering what he has been up against, he has help himself pretty well. Yeah, it could have been avoidable, but he is doing ok with the hand he was dealt. As for the bumper sticker...I want one
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Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
13
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:10:00 -
[4519] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:T0R1 BL4CK wrote:mittani, you are one of the rare but true assholes I have virtually met my life. hope you have a miserable life in your 30days temp ban. looking forward to see your **** loads of tornados in jita, violating the EULA - "grief play". curious how CCP will react to that. another proof of endless love like the temp ban instead of a well deserved perma ban? who knows.
29.4.2012, JITA. cu **** sucker there! Isn't a violation of the EULA since it is not directed at any player that will prevent them having an enjoyable experience. Jita is one system out of how many? It is surrounded by other highsec that traders can work with. Any Jita siege would be extremely tough to prolong. CCP has advanced notice, there is TiDi etc and a month advance notice. How the players themselves act individually is the only thing that would really violate any clause. However, should CCP say don't do this, or that it violate rules. That is a precidence that in the end would result in the complete loss of the sandbox that makes eve interesting. If highsec stayed truely isolated, the whole game would stagnate and just wilt. One thing a lot of us seem to get mixed up (inc myself) is it is not just the EULA, but rather the ToS (Terms of Service) that has rules regarding players actions. EULA is more about what you do with CCPs "property" (the game). That being said, as much as I hate a lot of the crap Goons pull (although, sometimes it is pretty damn funny, just not in this instance) even I would think that perma-banning Mittens is a bit much. |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.29 15:11:00 -
[4520] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:... I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist...
Implying you may determine who you actually are.
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Lyrelle
Vae-Victus Lunar Industries Partnership
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:11:00 -
[4521] - Quote
raven415 wrote:goons will be goons.
Then CCP will be goons, then the rest of the EVE player-base will quit out of disgust. GL CCP. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1374
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:22:00 -
[4522] - Quote
Grog Barrel wrote:The Mittani wrote:... I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist... Implying you may determine who you actually are.
I don't have psychotic tendencys and I am not a masochist.
Have I just implied anything, or have I simply stated a fact?
Defining personality traits that you do or do not have implies nothing. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
110
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:38:00 -
[4523] - Quote
You kids and your space drama... it's cute. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1362
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:41:00 -
[4524] - Quote
Threadnaught? |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
57
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:50:00 -
[4525] - Quote
Skyreth wrote: EDIT - It isn't griefing since we have had advanced warning..
Advanced warning has nothing to with it, It isn't griefing because its completely normal standard eve play.
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Frederick Sanger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:51:00 -
[4526] - Quote
The Wis wrote: To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
If you can be profoundly hurt or if anything someone does inside the context of a video game could make you even contemplate suicide, any time you spend playing said video game is time that should be spent bettering your actual life. |
Sister Rhode
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 15:52:00 -
[4527] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Threadnaught?
No. A threadnaught requires purpose. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
966
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:03:00 -
[4528] - Quote
Skyreth wrote:It would take even Goon a month or so to ruin the Jita market, and by the time they did, the market would have moved to another "safer" hub. They have lots to choose from. Kinda seems redundant, but to each their own. Good luck to Goon and I am looking forward to seeing PLEX loss mails.
Yes, MOVE somewhere else
Prepared a few insta arty rifters for EPIC freighter wreck pop, and a lot of rage leading to a lot, very lot of Concord ganking This will be +¬pic |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
128
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:04:00 -
[4529] - Quote
Doddy wrote:Doddy wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Doddy wrote:Yeah because goons don't know how to move concord off grid what with their lack of experience when it comes to hi sec ganking. Avoiding CONCORD consequences is, I believe, a TOS/EULA breach and (at least if repeated) a bannable offense. In the current situation the Goons face, I would strongly recommend against risking that. They might not have too much goodwill left to spend. I would expect you to know mechanics better. I mean aren't you guys meant to be pro anti-pirates? Removing concord from the grid as nothing to do with avoiding consequences, a new spawn appears and kills you (or the old one returns from wherever you moved it). It is merely the way to remove concord spawns from previous attacks or which have been deliberately spawned by others for protection. It actually makes the mechanic work as intended as instead of an unrelated concord spawn instakilling you it reverts to the normal concord response time. I think this is actually a great mechanic btw, both being able to spawn concord for protection and move it away. As pizi rightly says any attack on Jita will probably end up in a race between spawners and movers. Being an antipirate we rarely have the need to get rid of CONCORD; even though our RoE allows suicide ganking reds there's usually better targets to be found. Anyhow, I wasn't actually paying too close attention to what mechanic was being discussed, read carelessly, and thought it was about avoiding. My bad. |
Obi Wun
Suicide Industries
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:24:00 -
[4530] - Quote
CCP has gone soft. Maybe Goons can wake them up and bring back some realism back to EVE. Carebears used to have balls to fight back. Old eve was the real EVE. |
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George Holden
The Shadow Plague BLACK-MARK
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 16:38:00 -
[4531] - Quote
Hold on! Need more buckets the others are filled with Titan tears. I'll be right back!
Guess I was the only one not taking the "kill himself" part serious. On the other hand I'm really thick skinned and my zen is in balance. |
Ry Anubis
HotRock Mining PLC Punch Drunk Lemmings
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:04:00 -
[4532] - Quote
The Sad Pandas Will Burn Jita Apparently. Oh how 'great' you are Mr sociopath |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:06:00 -
[4533] - Quote
CCP: please move this Goonie thread to CAOD.
Thanks. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
63
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:10:00 -
[4534] - Quote
Ry Anubis wrote:The Sad Pandas Will Burn Jita Apparently. Oh how 'great' you are Mr sociopath
And the greatest gathering of noobships ever seen, market will never run out of noobships! |
Phugoid
BHEI Galactic Construction
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:11:00 -
[4535] - Quote
Well, as someone (miner) who's been ganked a few times, not to mention a Mackinaw loss not to long ago, I appreciate that apology.
It's good to see there's a real person behind the legend of The Mittani, when I first started playing I thought he was just a "legend".......
Anywaz, I do support your right to play Eve as u so desire, and I hope u support my right in this sandbox!....
Dont drink and warp at the same time tho :) |
Helio Prime
EVE University Ivy League
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:30:00 -
[4536] - Quote
Someone open a window.....the stench of this bullshit is making me want to vomit.
The best that CCP can do is ban you for 30 days but still pay for you to go to attend CSM meetings as chairman.
Nice job dickhead, you really brought this game public attention. |
Goatse Girl
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:30:00 -
[4537] - Quote
Helio Prime wrote:Someone open a window.....the stench of this bullshit is making me want to vomit.
The best that CCP can do is ban you for 30 days but still pay for you to go to attend CSM meetings as chairman.
Nice job dickhead, you really brought this game public attention.
you mad? |
Aves
Jazz Associates Azgoths of Kria
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:46:00 -
[4538] - Quote
Weakest excuse ever; to claim you don't remember what you said. Nobody believes that, Mittani. I think you finally lost grip of reality because you're so consumed by griefing anything that moves ingame.
It's not the first time goonswarm has stepped over the line, can you not see what you're doing? |
The Mittardi
65
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 17:53:00 -
[4539] - Quote
Aves wrote: I think you finally lost grip of reality because you're so consumed by griefing anything that moves ingame.
One time I was so drunk I tried to grief an asteroid Dear Goons: I will sell you this character for 50B ISK. EVE mail me if interested.
Btw, I am the Mittardi, not the Mittani |
Baroness Yutani
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:12:00 -
[4540] - Quote
Sister Rhode wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Threadnaught? No. A threadnaught requires purpose.
To drown us in your tears? |
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Millard Wilson
Millard Innovation Inc
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:17:00 -
[4541] - Quote
This threadnaught is not one of the best, it's starting to loose focus IMHO. |
Baroness Yutani
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:20:00 -
[4542] - Quote
Millard Wilson wrote:This threadnaught is not one of the best, it's starting to loose focus IMHO.
Maybe it's a tearonaught and it's starting to dry up. |
Keen Fallsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:35:00 -
[4543] - Quote
Obi Wun wrote:CCP has gone soft. Maybe Goons can wake them up and bring back some realism back to EVE. Carebears used to have balls to fight back. Old eve was the real EVE.
Ohhhh "OLD EVE" hello bitter vet.. Lol.. I think that Im older.. And Im not so "vet" lol -10000 |
Keen Fallsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:38:00 -
[4544] - Quote
The Mittardi wrote:Aves wrote: I think you finally lost grip of reality because you're so consumed by griefing anything that moves ingame.
One time I was so drunk I tried to grief an asteroid
stop smoking cuted nails ! Moron !! |
Keen Fallsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:39:00 -
[4545] - Quote
Ry Anubis wrote:The Sad Pandas Will Burn Jita Apparently. Oh how 'great' you are Mr sociopath
Ohhh ... but looking your avatar ... yeah .. who is Mr sociopath ? |
Victor MaCleod
NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 18:53:00 -
[4546] - Quote
I have a hard time to respect a csm member acting like you did Mittani,so in order to make up for it i suggest you come sing on our ts3 server really soon with your song of choice.
Best regards Victor MaCleod |
MasterMag
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 19:00:00 -
[4547] - Quote
Victor MaCleod wrote:I have a hard time to respect a csm member acting like you did Mittani,so in order to make up for it i suggest you come sing on our ts3 server really soon with your song of choice.
Best regards Victor MaCleod That |
Stragak
Mangi Consilii S E D I T I O N
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 19:03:00 -
[4548] - Quote
I thought what you said was ****** up as **** to say in a public forum drunk or not, if you drink to much to try to practice morals of humanity. It is one thing to not ******* care about others, it is another to voice them. I don't need a sociopath on the CSM if you can't even keep your mouth shut about one of us what is there to stop you from selling us all out. Nice to see in YC113 the human race has only degenerated into oblivion. 4uc$ |
The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
39
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 19:03:00 -
[4549] - Quote
Obi Wun wrote:CCP has gone soft. Maybe Goons can wake them up and bring back some realism back to EVE. Carebears used to have balls to fight back. Old eve was the real EVE.
Seems to me it's the Goons that went soft, just as they were supposed to be making an insertion. That's a terrible time to have your 'point man' let you down. |
Raven Ether
Republic University Minmatar Republic
117
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 19:19:00 -
[4550] - Quote
I hereby declare the unnamed Mackinaw pilot, a martyr of the Miner's Union and henceforth shall be one of many that will perish in the struggle for liberty of the worker class. |
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Kato Starr
Legion Of The Spoon People Gecko Alliance
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 19:19:00 -
[4551] - Quote
Nice Apology!!
Some people need to realise that at the end of the day its an internet spaceships game!!
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Thaylon Sen
The Istari Syndicate
18
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 19:29:00 -
[4552] - Quote
Guess we all dig our own graves in the end It was a long time coming! |
Derek Chambers
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 19:36:00 -
[4553] - Quote
Do people actually think he wanted the kid to really kill himself? Idiots... |
T0R1 BL4CK
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 19:58:00 -
[4554] - Quote
Derek Chambers wrote:Do people actually think he wanted the kid to really kill himself? Idiots...
it doesn't matter what that moron wanted or not. if that kid would have killed him over his ******** behavior the blood would be on his hands. no lame ass excuse can make that right. |
Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
15
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:28:00 -
[4555] - Quote
ItGÇÖs funny how everyone keeps saying that Mittani made one mistake and apologized for it, so he should be forgiven. The real issue here is not that one mistake. It is the issue of being allowed this type of behavior for years. Goons leadership has been promoting and encouraging this behavior to all their members and allies for years in their speeches, on the forums, and in game. They find out something about a person, being their picture, their location, their personal sorrow of losing a parent and they exploit it to the point of that person ether canGÇÖt take the abuse anymore and quits the game or he fights back and asks CCP for help to curb the abuse.
Here is the real problem. CCP has done NOTHING to curb the abuse of their player base that goons leadership encourages their members to inflict on their in game enemies. Never any warnings to the leadership, never any consequences for their behavior, once in a while they will gag some gonnie noob for a week or ban him for a day. So goon leadership basically has a free reign on player abuse and CCP stays idle in the background doing nothing about it while all the time being aware that it is being done. Now they want to blame Mittani for going over the line? Ha. They made their bed, but now they donGÇÖt want to lay in it? Too fkn bad.
CCP deserves all the bad press they are getting for letting this **** go on for so long. I donGÇÖt blame Mittani one bit. HeGÇÖs only doing what he was allowed to do for years. To him, itGÇÖs business as usual. ItGÇÖs like a mob boss ordering his underlings to kill and saying heGÇÖs not responsible because he didnGÇÖt pull the trigger. CCP is to blame for not taking actions about the abuse inflicted on their player base, not Mittani or the goons.
I for one love this ****. Hope Jita along with EVE burns to the fkn ground. |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
79
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 20:49:00 -
[4556] - Quote
I wonder what' the "real issue" is here.
The fact Mittani spoke the pilots name (in-game only as I understand). [fail to see how that's a big deal]
Goons ganking in hi-sec. [it gets boring up here]
Said gankee claims to be suicidal. [don't care, suicide makes you weak; i hate weak]
CCP isn't kissing the ass of the carebears (more; miss the old days...) [don't like it L-E-A-V-E]
...probably a combination of all four.
Either way...
MITTENS (the kitten), YOU BETTER NOT GIVE UP ON US! You're our only hope for HTFU! |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
93
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 20:58:00 -
[4557] - Quote
What's funny about this thread is, there's less than one-tenth posts than views. How many Goons does it take to make a threadnaught? One for each key on a keyboard! Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
orphenshadow
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
55
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 21:24:00 -
[4558] - Quote
The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis
You should consider un-subbing from eve online and seeking counseling.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1380
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 21:37:00 -
[4559] - Quote
T0R1 BL4CK wrote:Derek Chambers wrote:Do people actually think he wanted the kid to really kill himself? Idiots... it doesn't matter what that moron wanted or not. if that kid would have killed him over his ******** behavior the blood would be on his hands. no lame ass excuse can make that right.
That "kid" is a 42 year old divorced man with no verifiable history illness or history of suicide attempts.
Just clarifying. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Hirohito Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 21:38:00 -
[4560] - Quote
Prove your regret by stepping down. From watching you at Fanfest, either you are a fantastic Actor/RPer, able to stay in character the entire time you were there, or more likely, you really are the asshat you acted like. Either way you do not handle power well. You should let someone else step up and serve as Chairman. Any of the other CSM would be a better chairman. Any one of them could bring more dignity and common sense to the office that you are able to. |
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ReptilesBlade
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
10
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 21:47:00 -
[4561] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
I call BS. You are not sorry and never were beyond the fact that you are sorry you were justifiably punished for your behavior.
I have been so severely depressed I was suicidal for a very long time. For years! Life is better now because I busted my ass and made it better but I can absolutely appreciate what your victim felt then.
Someone's very real life is worth more than your account on a video game.
You should have been banned. Permanently. Period.
The fact that were not is causing me right now to seriously reconsider how much longer I wish to keep playing this game. |
Pyx Jasta
104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment Insane Asylum
42
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 21:51:00 -
[4562] - Quote
Pok Nibin wrote:What's funny about this thread is, there's less than one-tenth posts than views. How many Goons does it take to make a threadnaught? One for each key on a keyboard!
I'd post on it, but I'm too busy eating popcorn and hitting refresh. |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
6
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 21:59:00 -
[4563] - Quote
If you practice saying "All hail Two Step" now, it will get a lot easier later. |
TerroxEracktor
Mechanical Eagles Inc. The Ancients.
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.29 22:04:00 -
[4564] - Quote
Just finished watching the video clip of the Alliance Panel. It was one minor sentence that The Mittani said under the influence of alcohol. He apologized for it. End of story. This entire issue has been completely been blown out of proportion. I've personally been unable to login to EVE much because I'm currently deployed to Afghanistan, but the news has made its way all the way out here (thank you ****** desert interwebs.)
Anyway, the man had one minor slip up of a mere sentence and has more than paid for it. I personally don't think he should step down from his CSM position but that's only my opinion. As bad as the Goons' perception is, it's still a legit style of gameplay. I might not think highly of it, and neither might most others, but not everyone can be the 'Hero of New Eden'. And if people fall for the trickery and asshatery of the Goons then its that person's fault and no one elses. EVE is meant to be a hard game, grow up or GTFO
To The Mittani, you've put yourself in a seriously high spotlight position. You should know to handle yourself with better tact and profesionalism knowing that many EVE players worldwide are able to watch what you say and do during the fanfest stream and the recorded video thereafter. I understand you're at fanfest having a great time getting drunk with all the other EVE players from around the globe, but still.. One slip up for the world to see, and all this unnecessary drama comes from it. The bigger you are, the harder you fall. Learn from this, adapt, overcome, and good luck running for CSM8 next year
To the miner wiz guy person, sorry for your RL issues, we all have RL issues. I'd give all my assets and my wallet away (not really) just to get to see my wife for a few days while I'm out here. If you have RL issues, leave it at the login screen. EVE is a game, as much as CCP makes it "REAL" it's still a video game. Anyone who takes EVE or any video game too seriously needs to have their head checked or seek some sort of mental or behavioral health service. Everyone loses a ship or suffers a substantial loss every once in a while, yeah it sucks, but you adapt, LEARN from your mistakes, and move on. If you don't learn then its your own fault. |
Dharh
Ace Adventure Corp Blue Meanies
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:11:00 -
[4565] - Quote
ReptilesBlade wrote:I call BS. You are not sorry and never were beyond the fact that you are sorry you were justifiably punished for your behavior.
I have been so severely depressed I was suicidal for a very long time. For years! Life is better now because I busted my ass and made it better but I can absolutely appreciate what your victim felt then.
Someone's very real life is worth more than your account on a video game.
You should have been banned. Permanently. Period.
The fact that you were not is causing me right now to seriously reconsider how much longer I wish to keep playing this game.
Please do reconsider playing this game. |
Bane Nucleus
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
6
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:12:00 -
[4566] - Quote
MasterMag wrote:Victor MaCleod wrote:I have a hard time to respect a csm member acting like you did Mittani,so in order to make up for it i suggest you come sing on our ts3 server really soon with your song of choice.
Best regards Victor MaCleod That
Just read this and I agree. All would be made right if he would come and sing for everyone. |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
41
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:19:00 -
[4567] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:T0R1 BL4CK wrote:Derek Chambers wrote:Do people actually think he wanted the kid to really kill himself? Idiots... it doesn't matter what that moron wanted or not. if that kid would have killed him over his ******** behavior the blood would be on his hands. no lame ass excuse can make that right. That "kid" is a 42 year old divorced man with no verifiable history illness or history of suicide attempts. Just clarifying.
He was 22 a few days ago, space travel if fking hell on the bodies clock |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:22:00 -
[4568] - Quote
Bootleg Jack wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:T0R1 BL4CK wrote:Derek Chambers wrote:Do people actually think he wanted the kid to really kill himself? Idiots... it doesn't matter what that moron wanted or not. if that kid would have killed him over his ******** behavior the blood would be on his hands. no lame ass excuse can make that right. That "kid" is a 42 year old divorced man with no verifiable history illness or history of suicide attempts. Just clarifying. He was 22 a few days ago, space travel if fking hell on the bodies clock
No the one who was the target is 42, I think it is Mit who is 22. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
463
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:24:00 -
[4569] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Bootleg Jack wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:T0R1 BL4CK wrote:Derek Chambers wrote:Do people actually think he wanted the kid to really kill himself? Idiots... it doesn't matter what that moron wanted or not. if that kid would have killed him over his ******** behavior the blood would be on his hands. no lame ass excuse can make that right. That "kid" is a 42 year old divorced man with no verifiable history illness or history of suicide attempts. Just clarifying. He was 22 a few days ago, space travel if fking hell on the bodies clock No the one who was the target is 42, I think it is Mit who is 22.
The 22 your thinking of is teh number of ice minng accounts he runs simultaneously with no special software to help him. Apparently.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
41
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:26:00 -
[4570] - Quote
lol, ic |
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Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
81
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:42:00 -
[4571] - Quote
ReptilesBlade wrote:
Someone's very real life is worth more than your account on a video game.
You should have been banned. Permanently. Period.
The fact that you were not is causing me right now to seriously reconsider how much longer I wish to keep playing this game.
If the person doesn't value their own life. WHO CARES.
can i haz ur stuf? |
Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
17
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:35:00 -
[4572] - Quote
Dyner wrote:
If the person doesn't value their own life. WHO CARES.
can i haz ur stuf?
Ladies and gentlemen, the perfect example of what is wrong with humanity. Just...*facepalm* |
GatoOFruits
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
3
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:42:00 -
[4573] - Quote
This thread's pace is too high... CCP where is the "time dilation" you bragged about recently? |
Jita Alt666
975
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Posted - 2012.03.29 23:51:00 -
[4574] - Quote
The pace is furious the lag is non existent. |
Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
94
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:26:00 -
[4575] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
You showed the world your true colours that night, you're just another typical bully. Not only gets off on other peoples misery, but has to publicly shame them as well. This game has just been providing you with a safe medium for you to act out who you really are with no consequences, I am glad your true personality has leaked out. You can't separate The Mittani and Alex Gianturco, it is only you, another douche who discovered the internet. |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
83
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:46:00 -
[4576] - Quote
We need more drama lamas in here. |
Cunanium
NUTS AND BOLTS MANUFACTURING En Garde
9
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:51:00 -
[4577] - Quote
Velyks wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:Velyks wrote:Enyeto Perah wrote:Ferocitane wrote:At current date there is no implant to filter all traffic between brain and mouth. Noone intended incidents like this to happen, but it will happen again in the future on "Polarbeer" Fanfests again in the future.
I support the 1 month ban and being kicked from CSM the remaining period. But the next period too is a bit drastic. Poster rage is non constructive for CSM. Right, next period is really a drastic reduce of what it should be. A person as this should NEVER EVER be allowed to be let anywhere NEAR Fanfest, CSM, ISD or whatever! Thank god fanatics such as yourself arn't in decision making positions. I apolozie, you are right. EVE would be much better if all the CSM members would call out for killing people they don't like. Sorry that I didn't see that in the first place. Not everything is black and white, and please stop putting words in my mouth... I don't know (or even want to know) where your hands have been. He gave up the chair of the CSM as he realised it was a clash of interests with him as a leader of a bloodthirsty alliance. He kept his seat on the CSM as he didn't want to let down the 10,065 people that voted for him (and thus not make their votes pointless). He got a standard ban of 30 days for breaking the Terms of Service which is perfectly reasonable. All seems fine to me. I guess he'll just carry on being the strongest leader of the strongest alliance in EVE online.
Hm, he told people to harass an individual so that he would commit suicide, with the clear knowledge of the possible outcomes. There are a large number of states (and now national legislation being drafted) that imposes criminal penalties for such actions.
This individual thought it would be funny, comical, a joke, if an individual killed themselves due to their actions. I don't know what world you live in, but in mine, that is a sick perverse individual who does not need to be mixed with the rest of society. This is not because of alcohol, he composed the slides sober and laughed while presenting them, he then proceeded to make an overt threat on this guys life.
Being banned from CCP's game is the least of The Mittani's worries, he should be concerned about his morals and values and the type of life any of his possible children will live in. He should also be worried about possible legal action taken against him. Here is a nice little site detailing various state level legislation's around the United States.
http://www.ncsl.org/issues-research/telecom/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx
CCP may be an Icelandic company, but the arm of the US Justice Department is quite long indeed.... |
Jita Alt666
976
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Posted - 2012.03.30 00:57:00 -
[4578] - Quote
Djakku wrote:The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
You showed the world your true colours that night, you're just another typical bully. Not only gets off on other peoples misery, but has to publicly shame them as well. This game has just been providing you with a safe medium for you to act out who you really are with no consequences, I am glad your true personality has leaked out. You can't separate The Mittani and Alex Gianturco, it is only you, another douche who discovered the internet.
Quote: You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website
You sir, are breaching the TOS of Eve Online as much as The Mittani did. |
Sam Chadelanne
The Unclaimed Unclaimable
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:03:00 -
[4579] - Quote
for someone to admit their mistake and publicly say that he ###### up shows character and now that he has apologized i think that it should be left in the past. let bygones be bygones |
Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
32
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:22:00 -
[4580] - Quote
Hasn't this thread self-terminated yet?
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Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
218
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:28:00 -
[4581] - Quote
Lawl this threads still alive
HI MOM! |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
188
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:31:00 -
[4582] - Quote
Posting in a thread that changed EVE. Maybe. Probably not. |
Jita Alt666
977
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:39:00 -
[4583] - Quote
Lest we Forget |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
256
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Posted - 2012.03.30 01:47:00 -
[4584] - Quote
this turn of events fills me with schadenfreude I have found this new mysterious resource called "Life" |
Mithena
Sons of Ivaldi Zero Hour Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:13:00 -
[4585] - Quote
Mithena wrote:Cord Binchiette wrote:I doubt the apology is sincere. I doubt if he would have written it without such an outcry. I suspect his immediate response of, "deal with it" was more in line with his true intentions.
(shrug) It may impact how we are perceived by the rest of the gaming world, but there isn't anything we can do about it now. The barn doors are open and the horse is gone. Besides, in six months he's going to be joking and bragging about how he got away with telling his alliance to kill the guy.
I do hope CCP bans him. Not for what he did....
....but what an emboldened mittani is going to do next. This. I like the Mittani, I like the crazy arrogance, I like that he is the most powerful player in EVE. However, CCP has to distance themselves from this sort of thing, they have to ban him. It's business. What will really be interesting is if The Mittani gets banned and tries to retaliate. Are EVE and CCP strong enough to survive the wrath of the game's most powerful player?
Hate to say I told you so but.....
The Mittani's plan to "burn jita" is the most meta event to ever hit EVE.
He is testing his power against the very developer that has created the game which has allowed him to satiate his immense ego.
This IS exciting. This IS EVE. What will happen on April 28th will be a landmark day for this game. Casual vs hardcore, The Mittani vs CCP, whatever... EVE IS real. |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
83
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 02:17:00 -
[4586] - Quote
Mithena wrote:
Hate to say I told you so but.....
The Mittani's plan to "burn jita" is the most meta event to ever hit EVE.
He is testing his power against the very developer that has created the game which has allowed him to satiate his immense ego.
This IS exciting. This IS EVE. What will happen on April 28th will be a landmark day for this game. Casual vs hardcore, The Mittani vs CCP, whatever... EVE IS real.
EVE Online will be down for extended maintenance on Saturday, April 28th, while we deploy Crucible 1.6.1. [...]
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War Bear
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 02:35:00 -
[4587] - Quote
Goons and the like are angry that their votes went up in smoke, their leader bowed out of the CSM and there's a 30 day ban in place.
On the other side of the coin people are angry Mittens will still be in the game, that he went too far and isn't honestly sorry.
I say CCP handled it just fine. Both sides are p!ssed off which means a middle ground has been reached. |
Major Paynes
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 03:48:00 -
[4588] - Quote
Good riddance I say, even if its temporary. Eve needs its villains but this went way too far. |
Beckett Firesnake
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
4
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 05:06:00 -
[4589] - Quote
Enyeto Perah wrote:Beckett Firesnake wrote:I hope you are fine Mittany. It was really too much ;-) Like a lot of members of ICE I voted for you. If there were new elections today, I think I would vote for you again. Sure you would... poo sticks with poo
You should understand the fact that there is a difference between Eve and the reality.
I agree with the fact that The Mittani took risks playing with the thin line between reality and virtuality. But the last days reminded him the difference .
I hope this experience will help him to understand the limits and the danger to be on first place on the stage. |
Ryunaga
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 05:09:00 -
[4590] - Quote
People say The Mittani went too far by exposing someone's character name but this is all pretend outrage intended to exploit an opportunity. How often do you see these same people crap post or not complain about someone else doing exactly this on the forums or elsewhere? (Exactly)
Lets face it, there is a bunch of people here upset that The Mittani is chairman of the CSM again and would like any excuse to have him out of it. Suicide ganking and shooting miners are obviously valid game mechanics that CCP condones so having fake outrage like it is a violation of the rules doesn't apply here. |
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Serene Muerta
Oneway Travels
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 05:37:00 -
[4591] - Quote
Ooooh.. All these goon (and their alt) tears... soooo tasty! :-D |
Serene Muerta
Oneway Travels
1
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Posted - 2012.03.30 06:08:00 -
[4592] - Quote
Ryunaga wrote:The Mittani went too far. Same people doing exactly this on the forums or elsewhere?
The Mittani is chairman of the CSM
See the difference? |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
85
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 06:13:00 -
[4593] - Quote
War Bear wrote:Goons and the like are angry that their votes went up in smoke, their leader bowed out of the CSM and there's a 30 day ban in place. On the other side of the coin people are angry Mittens will still be in the game, that he went too far and isn't honestly sorry. I say CCP handled it just fine. Both sides are p!ssed off which means a middle ground has been reached.
That's why I'm bemused about what is going on. Majority of the goons are slowly growing content to the current situation. Since after all, we recieved our orders and now have a goal to work towards (it's been really slow before the announcement.) The vote thing is a bit of a grey issue and I already spoken to a few neutrals on that issue, who all say 'well, it could of been dealt with better, maybe add a 'second choice' next time.'
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RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
627
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 06:38:00 -
[4594] - Quote
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story
But how was spike lee supposed to know people would take his twitter seriously. It was on just a twitter post. Why would people have to flee their home in fear over that.
Notice how Spike lee got sued and had to face the music for his irresponsible actions that put people at risk.
Just some food for thought. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
nicky Tsurpalen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 06:59:00 -
[4595] - Quote
Quote:A hero is someone we can admire without apology. Kitty Kelley
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shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:28:00 -
[4596] - Quote
plz talk more about EULA and TOS when talking about trying make someone suicide.it really has to be written down there to know that its wrong thing to do, because thats just a normal thing badass spaceship captains do, right?
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ivar R'dhak
STK Scientific
25
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:29:00 -
[4597] - Quote
This thread is 4590 posts too long. |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.03.30 07:40:00 -
[4598] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story
But how was spike lee supposed to know people would take his twitter seriously. It was on just a twitter post. Why would people have to flee their home in fear over that.
Notice how Spike lee got sued and had to face the music for his irresponsible actions that put people at risk.
Just some food for thought.
Got a fetish for mittani? Geez you're special. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
137
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 07:44:00 -
[4599] - Quote
Derek Chambers wrote:Do people actually think he wanted the kid to really kill himself? Idiots... No they don't.
Next question? |
luZk
Jaegerkorpset
61
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:10:00 -
[4600] - Quote
Okay so he messed up and he got his 30 day ban, time to forgive and forget? Move on.. seriously . . . |
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shar'ra matcevsovski
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:26:00 -
[4601] - Quote
Derek Chambers wrote:Do people actually think he wanted the kid to really kill himself? Idiots...
No, but does it matter at all why he said it? Fact is, he did and the result could have been the same.
also he asked others to do it, wich puts an element out of his control into it. He must have known that little Fanboys like you would follow his advice without thinking.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
137
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:30:00 -
[4602] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote: That's why I'm bemused about what is going on. Majority of the goons are slowly growing content to the current situation. Since after all, we recieved our orders and now have a goal to work towards (it's been really slow before the announcement.) The vote thing is a bit of a grey issue and I already spoken to a few neutrals on that issue, who all say 'well, it could of been dealt with better, maybe add a 'second choice' next time.'
I think the vote thing was handled just fine. People who voted for The Mittani knew (or should have known) that he was a guy who often berated his opponents and did not spare words or effort in "harvesting tears". A lot of them have also expressed the opinion that what his slides spoke of was "part of the game" and what is expected of the alliance panel. The rules about what is expected of a CSM representative are public. It is not that the voters can claim that they had no idea that Mittani was like this, or that CCP somehow made him like this.
You voted for an arrogant person who is known for harvesting for tears and encouraging other players to go after particular individuals. You cannot now claim you have to get your vote back, because you are surprised for him having done exactly that. Sure, you did not foresee him doing it on stage or CCP actually caring... But that is not the vote system's or CCP's fault.
Maybe next time vote for someone who has a reputation as being able to act like what is expected from a CSM member? |
Vila eNorvic
University of Caille Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:34:00 -
[4603] - Quote
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:plz talk more about EULA and TOS when talking about trying make someone suicide.it really has to be written down there to know that its wrong thing to do, because thats just a normal thing badass spaceship captains do, right?
WHAT????? Are you serious? If so, you have a severely messed-up mind.
It should be self-evident that trying to induce someone to commit suicide is is just plain WRONG at any time, any place and in any conceivable circumstances.
Jeez, what a dunce! |
Ai Shun
498
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:47:00 -
[4604] - Quote
Serene Muerta wrote:Ryunaga wrote:The Mittani went too far. Same people doing exactly this on the forums or elsewhere?
The Mittani is chairman of the CSM See the difference?
No. The same rules apply to all players in EVE Online. No matter if they are on the CSM or not. Thus no member of the CSM can or should be held to a higher standard in their play of EVE Online than any other player.
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
104
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:50:00 -
[4605] - Quote
bumpimg for lols Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Ai Shun
498
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:53:00 -
[4606] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Maybe next time vote for someone who has a reputation as being able to act like what is expected from a CSM member?
Barring this incident the Mittani has been one of the best members of the CSM to date. To give you an idea:
Two Step wrote:I donGÇÖt think this decision is the best one for the game, but it is MittenGÇÖs decision to make, and I support him 100%. What he is doing is what he thinks is best for the game as a whole, which is what he has been doing during the entire CSM 6 term.
Trebor Daehdroow wrote:I have watched Alex wrestle with this decision over the past few days, and I hope I have been helpful in some small way as he came to it. ItGÇÖs the right decision for him, the community, the CSM, and our friends at CCP. I look forward to serving with Alex on CSM7.
Seleene wrote:This has been a difficult few days and Alex did not make this decision lightly. The next CSM has a lot of work ahead of it now. Mittens has helped shape the CSM into itGÇÖs current form and IGÇÖve no doubt he will help where he can as he always has. I am glad that he has taken this step so that we can all move forward to doing what the community elected us to do.
Elise Randolph wrote:A new hat: Mittani the altruist. While the CSM did not ask for this action, I do respect and support it. From my perspective, which is not infallible but quite keen, Alex was the most successful CSM chair in that he helped usher in a new era of the CSM where the rigid bureaucratic processes were thrown aside to streamline the process and allow all voices to be equally as significant. A solid change that has borne fruit in what has been an incredibly effective CSM term. As a member of CSM 6, I have nothing but good things to say about how useful and effective Mittani was. I have no doubts that Alex will continue to work hard as a CSM 7 member and I look forward to working with him in the coming year
(Thanks Liang for compiling the list)
These are some of the comments from the people who worked with him on EVE Online for a year. Not the people who only saw The Mittani, leader of the Goonswarm.
He made a mistake. Don't take away what he has achieved and worked hard for just because of that. |
Kehro Urgus
272
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:00:00 -
[4607] - Quote
They need to add an emoticon that's playing a violin. You know what you find in a sandbox? Sand and cat poo. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
55
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:01:00 -
[4608] - Quote
Why are people apologising for The Martini?
Ingredients
1 ounce dry vermouth 4 ounces gin
Glass Type
Cocktail glass
Instructions
Fill a metal shaker with cracked ice. Pour in the dry vermouth, stir briefly, and strain out (this may be discarded). Add 4 ounces gin -- you want it around 94-proof. Stir briskly for about 10 seconds, strain into chilled cocktail glass, and garnish with an olive.
What the heck is there to apologise for you ******* heathens? EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Ai Shun
498
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:05:00 -
[4609] - Quote
Graic Gabtar wrote:Why are people apologising for The Martini?
Ingredients
1 ounce dry vermouth 4 ounces gin
Glass Type
Cocktail glass
Instructions
Fill a metal shaker with cracked ice. Pour in the dry vermouth, stir briefly, and strain out (this may be discarded). Add 4 ounces gin -- you want it around 94-proof. Stir briskly for about 10 seconds, strain into chilled cocktail glass, and garnish with an olive.
What the heck is there to apologise for you ******* heathens?
Shaken, not stirred. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
185
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:05:00 -
[4610] - Quote
shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:plz talk more about EULA and TOS when talking about trying make someone suicide.it really has to be written down there to know that its wrong thing to do, because thats just a normal thing badass spaceship captains do, right?
ToS/EULA will never be written in stone, there has to be room to cover any eventuality that may cross the line. But most of the ToS/EULA is based on common sense which is why most don't even bother to read all of it if at all. Plus the fact they don't seem to vary much from game to game.
If people RP out of game then unless they make it clear that is what they're doing they run the risk it will be taken seriously and if it is taken seriously then there's no way to prove that you were RPing as it can just be seen as an excuse (talking generally here, not about any specific case).
Even playing in-game, a lot of what would be seen as griefing in other games is not actually griefing in EVE because of the game mechanics (way the game was designed). But if you take things too far it could still be seen as cyber bullying regardless of the mechanics of the game.
It's mainly just common sense, if you think what you're doing is likely to be wrong, it probably is. You can't take fantasy into RL and expect to get away with it unless it has no negative effects on anyone else (fancy dress and other RP events that have no negative effects on people). |
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Hertzen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 10:20:00 -
[4611] - Quote
woohooboost
Everyone detach, you will feel better
and play better
Feel I Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
Isaac Asimov |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 10:54:00 -
[4612] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story
But how was spike lee supposed to know people would take his twitter seriously. It was on just a twitter post. Why would people have to flee their home in fear over that.
Notice how Spike lee got sued and had to face the music for his irresponsible actions that put people at risk.
Just some food for thought.
Yeah, he apologized to the family, and compensated them for the troubles he caused them with a monetary settlement, and they forgave him for making an ass of himself and all in all it ended pretty calmly and without incident. Seems familiar, at least up until the whole 'forgiveness, ended calmly' part. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
800
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 12:16:00 -
[4613] - Quote
Kitfox Mikakka wrote:RougeOperator wrote:http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-trayvon-martin-lee-settlement-20120329,0,7063902.story
But how was spike lee supposed to know people would take his twitter seriously. It was on just a twitter post. Why would people have to flee their home in fear over that.
Notice how Spike lee got sued and had to face the music for his irresponsible actions that put people at risk.
Just some food for thought. Yeah, he apologized to the family, and compensated them for the troubles he caused them with a monetary settlement, and they forgave him for making an ass of himself and all in all it ended pretty calmly and without incident. Seems familiar, at least up until the whole 'forgiveness, ended calmly' part.
And I'm sure that if Spike Lee had been in an elected position where he was meant to represent the family he would no longer be in that position. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
150
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 12:24:00 -
[4614] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Serene Muerta wrote:Ryunaga wrote:The Mittani went too far. Same people doing exactly this on the forums or elsewhere?
The Mittani is chairman of the CSM See the difference? No. The same rules apply to all players in EVE Online. No matter if they are on the CSM or not. Thus no member of the CSM can or should be held to a higher standard in their play of EVE Online than any other player. Nope.
"What is the CSM?": "They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow." http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM#Candidate_Eligibility
Whether that is applicable in the situation or not can be debated, but saying that there are no rules of conduct that apply to CSM but not other players is untrue. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
151
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 12:39:00 -
[4615] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:These are some of the comments from the people who worked with him on EVE Online for a year. Not the people who only saw The Mittani, leader of the Goonswarm.
He made a mistake. Don't take away what he has achieved and worked hard for just because of that. Probably there are such people. But I am not one of them.
I am also not one of the people who hate everything the Goons do. I have respect for your ability to hold your space, and I have no issues whatsoever with you "burning Jita".
But I still do not think his deeds so far excuse being a total ******* the way he did. He was the most famous CSM member, and he is not just doing concrete stuff. Who he is and how he acts defines very strongly what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in the community. What he did was not just one mistake; it was a way across the line culmination of years of borderline behavior.
For the good of the community, he needs to go. He's done some good things, but he's just one man. There are other people who can do well in CSM. If there are none in this one, we have until the next elections to find some more. |
Ai Shun
501
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 12:40:00 -
[4616] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Serene Muerta wrote:Ryunaga wrote:The Mittani went too far. Same people doing exactly this on the forums or elsewhere?
The Mittani is chairman of the CSM See the difference? No. The same rules apply to all players in EVE Online. No matter if they are on the CSM or not. Thus no member of the CSM can or should be held to a higher standard in their play of EVE Online than any other player. Nope. "What is the CSM?": "They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow." http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM#Candidate_EligibilityWhether that is applicable in the situation or not can be debated, but saying that there are no rules of conduct that apply to CSM but not other players is untrue.
Rules. Rules. EULA. TOS. He is banned for an EULA / TOS violation. There are players breaching the same rules on the forums. The rules apply equally to everyone.
Conduct is a separate issue.
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Ai Shun
501
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 12:43:00 -
[4617] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I am also not one of the people who hate everything the Goons do. I have respect for your ability to hold your space, and I have no issues whatsoever with you "burning Jita".
I am not a Goon, but I can look at them objectively.
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:But I still do not think his deeds so far excuse being a total ******* the way he did. He was the most famous CSM member, and he is not just doing concrete stuff. Who he is and how he acts defines very strongly what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in the community. What he did was not just one mistake; it was a way across the line culmination of years of borderline behavior.
You suffer from the same problem as a lot of people. You mix the person with the player - at least - that is the way you come across. Ah well. Not my concern. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
86
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Posted - 2012.03.30 13:04:00 -
[4618] - Quote
Time to let this thread die out. It's run its course.
Time we all go back to playing the game. I hear there is going to be a big dance party in Jita toward the end of April. Goons are hosting, grab a date and let's all go dance!
Hope to see you all there.
[edited for my bad typing]
Nothing clever at this time. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
152
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 13:08:00 -
[4619] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I am also not one of the people who hate everything the Goons do. I have respect for your ability to hold your space, and I have no issues whatsoever with you "burning Jita". I am not a Goon, but I can look at them objectively. Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:But I still do not think his deeds so far excuse being a total ******* the way he did. He was the most famous CSM member, and he is not just doing concrete stuff. Who he is and how he acts defines very strongly what is acceptable and what is not acceptable in the community. What he did was not just one mistake; it was a way across the line culmination of years of borderline behavior. You suffer from the same problem as a lot of people. You mix the person with the player - at least - that is the way you come across. Ah well. Not my concern. I am judging the person who went on stage in Fanfest. It is not clear to me (and I am a roleplayer) where the IC/OOC division there was. He was invited to speak because he is "The Mittani" (not because he is Alex), yet it was also a live event for players , not characters.
How he acts as a character has consequences for how the game seems to players. See for example many of the people who either joined or did not join the EVE player community because they believed that EVE is a place where saying anything is acceptable.
These things are not always clear-cut. "It is just a game" or "it was just my character" are not an excuse for being a jerk. (And if you do not believe me, the EULA/TOS explicitly states so.) |
T0R1 BL4CK
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 13:31:00 -
[4620] - Quote
Dyner wrote:ReptilesBlade wrote:
Someone's very real life is worth more than your account on a video game.
You should have been banned. Permanently. Period.
The fact that you were not is causing me right now to seriously reconsider how much longer I wish to keep playing this game.
If the person doesn't value their own life. WHO CARES. can i haz ur stuf?
looking forward to the day were you eat your words when you have tasted the bitterness of unnatural voluntary dead among your friends or family. |
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Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.03.30 13:35:00 -
[4621] - Quote
Drama aside, do you truly believe a perma banning of one person in Goonswarm will stop the rest? |
Zoo Ologist
United Evian Peace Corp
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 13:50:00 -
[4622] - Quote
Everyone makes jokes, a lot of people make jokes at the expense of others, some even joke about suicide.
Most adults drink alcohol sometimes, a lot of adults get drunk sometimes, a lot of adults get drunk in public, not many (respected) elected representative get drunk in public.
I don't know, offhand, of any elected representative who has gotten drunk in public and proceeded to make jokes about someone commiting suicide (I am sure if you trawl you can find some).
In my opinion it says quite a bit about someone that they are willing to make such heinous suggestions about someone, especially when that person has expressed their possible vulnerabilities to a poor emotional state. Regardless of the person's reaction the comment was unacceptable, as CCP have shown by imposing a ban.
Alex Gianturco has made a greivous error, he admits that much himself and he as a player has been punished by not being allowed to play Eve Online with that account for 30 days. The Mittani was also on that stage and was making those comments as an aspect of Alex Gianturco, is The Mittani representing his constituents when he holds such contempt for at least one of them that he would joke about their death?
This is my first post, I felt so strongly on reading about what Alex/Mittens said that I had to put forward my two cents. Please think before voting in the future. |
Iszi
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:24:00 -
[4623] - Quote
Oh please.
You're all arguin about what some guy said about some other guy on tv.
What a bunch of drama llamas you are.
I'll laugh if this game gets watered down and catered to the masses of internet crybabies who can't handle a sandbox game. |
Daylen Drazzi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:42:00 -
[4624] - Quote
Zoo Ologist, your violation of the Eve Online Terms of Service requires that I petition for your account to be banned. I expect CCP to take firm measures to protect The Mittani's personal information and make examples of every individual who violates the Terms of Service, regardless of intent.
"19. You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website."
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T0R1 BL4CK
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 14:43:00 -
[4625] - Quote
Basileus Volkan wrote:Drama aside, do you truly believe a perma banning of one person in Goonswarm will stop the rest?
that is irrelevant. dead penalty or any other kind of punishment didn't stop murder, right? shall we now stop criminal investigation and punishment of murder? ofc not.
it is about encouraging people to be dicks in public. making fun of somebody in your own closed group is one thing, preparing a public presentation and stepping over a line is something totally different. 30 days temp ban can only be a joke. |
RogueMind
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:43:00 -
[4626] - Quote
Daylen Drazzi wrote:Zoo Ologist, your violation of the Eve Online Terms of Service requires that I petition for your account to be banned. I expect CCP to take firm measures to protect The Mittani's personal information and make examples of every individual who violates the Terms of Service, regardless of intent.
"19. You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website."
Damnit beat me to it. |
RogueMind
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:45:00 -
[4627] - Quote
T0R1 BL4CK wrote: that is irrelevant. dead penalty or any other kind of punishment didn't stop murder, right? shall we now stop criminal investigation and punishment of murder? ofc not. it is about encouraging people to be dicks in public. making fun of somebody in your own closed group is one thing, preparing a public presentation and stepping over a line is something totally different. 30 days temp ban can only be a joke.
and repeatedly rezzing a thread that started as a legitimate apology and has morphed into a character assassination as well as repeated violations of TOS by revealing his personal information which has lead to threats against him and his family is equally justified? |
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH SpaceMonkey's Alliance
11
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:45:00 -
[4628] - Quote
YOU! Yes You! Pick that stone up. Since you never made a mistake in life! Your all are a bunch of self righteous pricks with your own personal agendas.
Were all humans making mistakes and learning as we go along, doesnGÇÖt matter where you find yourself in the food chain. I never was a Goons or Mittani fan until I got to know them up close and personal. If there is one thing I know, It is that Alex is a good kid and the Mitanni a bastard ,who in every sense earned my respect. He has done way more good for Eve and its player base than this one isolated incident. Yea he fuc*ed up and apologized sincerely, I bet my reputation on it.
Both the miner guy and Mittani are sons of Eve.! Now is the time for CCP and the player base to step up and support them. Resign not an option , why because hes one of our best ! I 07 Mittens ! YouGÇÖre one hell of a Eve player and a guy with a good heart. Now go and do your freeken JOB!
The rest of you GÇ£name sayersGÇ¥ go look in the mirror ..cause thatGÇÖs the root of your reflection GǪand grow a pair of bawls! |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
61
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 14:45:00 -
[4629] - Quote
Basileus Volkan wrote:Drama aside, do you truly believe a perma banning of one person in Goonswarm will stop the rest?
no .. why would we
you guys are good sport beside the skacktalk What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
T0R1 BL4CK
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:47:00 -
[4630] - Quote
Daylen Drazzi wrote:Zoo Ologist, your violation of the Eve Online Terms of Service requires that I petition for your account to be banned. I expect CCP to take firm measures to protect The Mittani's personal information and make examples of every individual who violates the Terms of Service, regardless of intent.
"19. You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website."
seriously? then check this: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Members_of_the_sixth_CSM |
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T0R1 BL4CK
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:49:00 -
[4631] - Quote
RogueMind wrote:T0R1 BL4CK wrote: that is irrelevant. dead penalty or any other kind of punishment didn't stop murder, right? shall we now stop criminal investigation and punishment of murder? ofc not. it is about encouraging people to be dicks in public. making fun of somebody in your own closed group is one thing, preparing a public presentation and stepping over a line is something totally different. 30 days temp ban can only be a joke.
and repeatedly rezzing a thread that started as a legitimate apology and has morphed into a character assassination as well as repeated violations of TOS by revealing his personal information which has lead to threats against him and his family is equally justified?
nice try!
mittani should have considered his name become public knowledge BEFORE he decided to candidate for CSM. |
Sir John Halsey
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:50:00 -
[4632] - Quote
Aryndel Samson wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid.
Haha... this is funny :)
1. His name ... Rouge = Red in French 2. I smell racism in your comment ... some might take that as an affront and get you banned for 30 days ..
Just saying ... |
Sir John Halsey
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:50:00 -
[4633] - Quote
... |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
395
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:51:00 -
[4634] - Quote
Why is this thread still going on, seriously. Why.
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My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
58
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:52:00 -
[4635] - Quote
This thread makes me want to call my crazy ex-girlfriend and ask her if I can borrow some of her razor blades.... ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:53:00 -
[4636] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Basileus Volkan wrote:Drama aside, do you truly believe a perma banning of one person in Goonswarm will stop the rest? no .. why would we you guys are good sport beside the skacktalk
A lot of people seem to be under the impression the ban has somehow weakened us. Which is of course a silly idea. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
120
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:57:00 -
[4637] - Quote
This thread and the piles like it just need to be let die. Enough is Enough. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
61
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:02:00 -
[4638] - Quote
Basileus Volkan wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Basileus Volkan wrote:Drama aside, do you truly believe a perma banning of one person in Goonswarm will stop the rest? no .. why would we you guys are good sport beside the skacktalk A lot of people seem to be under the impression that the ban has somehow weakened us. Which is of course a silly idea.
well on the other hand if he decides to cash in and move on like some of your former leaders you will be a bit weaker for sure
not saying hes that type What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
53
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:07:00 -
[4639] - Quote
SMT008 wrote:Why is this thread still going on, seriously. Why.
agreed,, we need a mod to lock this off topic, rant filled, shite talking spam thread.
lock please
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rouf rouf53
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:20:00 -
[4640] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:... I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain... ... But I am not that character in real life...
No. It does not work that way.
You can't be a cyber bully when in real life you are a caring personality, sharing and helpful to strangers. (perhaps in disorder situations only).
Most probably, when you are cyber bullying, in real life you are either: - a bully, or - a failed bully, meaning that you'd like to bully other people but are bullied instead.
I think that's what happens, you're so much bullied in real life that you take revenge on bullying to strangers in video games to satisfy your hurt ego.
I don't know much about your alliance history, but I think it indicates the same conclusion.
Anyways, CSM should be against bullying anyways. It's supposed to protect the helpless, not support the strong.
And of course, this is not an alt you'll find in game. Bullys like taking revenge against isolated, easy targets, when they can't hurt those that they think that did them wrong. |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
251
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:22:00 -
[4641] - Quote
The Mittani is a douch... Who knew?!
Lets move on |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
146
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:42:00 -
[4642] - Quote
This is a political witch hunt in my opinion.
So many people acting like they 'care' about the 'victim' in this charade just to use this to further their own agenda's, beliefs, dis-contempt for................ (Goons, Mittani, Titan/Supercap nerfing, whatever other agenda you may have against the CSM Chair) <--Fill above space as appropriate.
Bottom line is in the video Mittens was not representing himself as the CSM nor as his own real life personna. He was representing his in-game persona. That persona is clear to anyone that understands the goons philosophy.
Did he cross a line?
Yes he did. But in all honesty so did most of the previous speakers at that forum in some form or another. Also heavy drinking and crossing the line go hand in hand.
Bring a bunch of people to a stage, have cameras rolling, allow heavy drinking of speakers while they speak publicly. What could possibly go wrong?
A good portion of the EVE community glorifies 'tears' or other peoples rage/sadness reactions to in game actions. It was only a matter of time before someone crossed the line the be part of that 'cool kid' club.
Many people have/had an agenda in seeing Mittens leave the CSM. This is a fact. But to these people I say to use some other persons real life mental state (the Mackinaw pilot) as ammunition and a way to further your agenda (seeing The Mittani removed from CSM) in my opinion makes you just as guilty as the person that crossed the line during the forum. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
120
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:45:00 -
[4643] - Quote
Move along nothing to see here. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
66
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:45:00 -
[4644] - Quote
Stalking Mantis wrote:This is a political witch hunt in my opinion.
So many people acting like they 'care' about the 'victim' in this charade just to use this to further their own agenda's, beliefs, dis-contempt for................ (Goons, Mittani, Titan/Supercap nerfing, whatever other agenda you may have against the CSM Chair) <--Fill above space as appropriate.
Bottom line is in the video Mittens was not representing himself as the CSM nor as his own real life personna. He was representing his in-game persona. That persona is clear to anyone that understands the goons philosophy.
Did he cross a line?
Yes he did. But in all honesty so did most of the previous speakers at that forum in some form or another. Also heavy drinking and crossing the line go hand in hand.
Bring a bunch of people to a stage, have cameras rolling, allow heavy drinking of speakers while they speak publicly. What could possibly go wrong?
A good portion of the EVE community glorifies 'tears' or other peoples rage/sadness reactions to in game actions. It was only a matter of time before someone crossed the line the be part of that 'cool kid' club.
Many people have/had an agenda in seeing Mittens leave the CSM. This is a fact. But to these people I say to use some other persons real life mental state (the Mackinaw pilot) as ammunition and a way to further your agenda (seeing The Mittani removed from CSM) in my opinion makes you just as guilty as the person that crossed the line during the forum.
This entire situation is a witch hunt. It has been since day 1. Everyone who didnt vote for mittens got mad he won, and he mistakenly gave them a reason to complain. And what he did was big enough and public enough that they had enough leverage to cause a huge stink about it, and they did. Effectively conquering the CSM. It was actually a pretty tactful power play. Although I disagree with it, it was cunning. They are allowed to do this, because this is EVE.
Thus is the sandbox we all pay to be a part of. I'll be burning Jita with the best of them.
...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Abim Starkiller
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:49:00 -
[4645] - Quote
It was premeditated. You can not blame being drunk, You had power points and everything. You need to be perma band. |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
66
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:52:00 -
[4646] - Quote
Abim Starkiller wrote:It was premeditated. You can not blame being drunk, You had power points and everything. You need to be perma band.
You do know that the annual Alliance Panel HAS ALWAYS been a bunch of drunk alliance leaders shitting on each other for lulz right? Go watch the ones from years past. The beloved DARIUS used to do some of the hardest trolling at the panel...Nothing new happened here except for mittens taking it a bit over the top with personal IRL attacks.
The premeditated shitting-on-others has ALWAYS and will ALWAYS be a part, and sort of the main purpose, of the Alliance Panel. ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
61
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Posted - 2012.03.30 15:57:00 -
[4647] - Quote
Stalking Mantis wrote:This is a political witch hunt in my opinion.
Did he cross a line?
Yes he did.
you should read up witch hunt and evaluate your opinion What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
633
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:08:00 -
[4648] - Quote
My Neutral Toon wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:This is a political witch hunt in my opinion.
So many people acting like they 'care' about the 'victim' in this charade just to use this to further their own agenda's, beliefs, dis-contempt for................ (Goons, Mittani, Titan/Supercap nerfing, whatever other agenda you may have against the CSM Chair) <--Fill above space as appropriate.
Bottom line is in the video Mittens was not representing himself as the CSM nor as his own real life personna. He was representing his in-game persona. That persona is clear to anyone that understands the goons philosophy.
Did he cross a line?
Yes he did. But in all honesty so did most of the previous speakers at that forum in some form or another. Also heavy drinking and crossing the line go hand in hand.
Bring a bunch of people to a stage, have cameras rolling, allow heavy drinking of speakers while they speak publicly. What could possibly go wrong?
A good portion of the EVE community glorifies 'tears' or other peoples rage/sadness reactions to in game actions. It was only a matter of time before someone crossed the line the be part of that 'cool kid' club.
Many people have/had an agenda in seeing Mittens leave the CSM. This is a fact. But to these people I say to use some other persons real life mental state (the Mackinaw pilot) as ammunition and a way to further your agenda (seeing The Mittani removed from CSM) in my opinion makes you just as guilty as the person that crossed the line during the forum. This entire situation is a witch hunt. It has been since day 1. Everyone who didnt vote for mittens got mad he won, and he mistakenly gave them a reason to complain. And what he did was big enough and public enough that they had enough leverage to cause a huge stink about it, and they did. Effectively conquering the CSM. It was actually a pretty tactful power play. Although I disagree with it, it was cunning. They are allowed to do this, because this is EVE. Thus is the sandbox we all pay to be a part of. I'll be burning Jita with the best of them.
Keep misusing the term witch hunt. Maybe someone will believe you eventually. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Malice Redeemer
Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:13:00 -
[4649] - Quote
Krutoj wrote:Man there are alot of hypocrits, well you know what, I was there as well and I am just as guilty then for laughing as the rest of the people present who did. And do you know why they did it? Because, and I know this is surprising to you all, it wasnt about cyberbulling, it was about Eve Online,Sandbox, Virtual World and the CEOs whose alliances dwell in it, however twisted and awesome they are. And of players who choose to be a prey or become a hunter.
Dont make me /wrists from all this awefull posting. Btw time for lunch
Krutoj's posts in this thread offend me just about as much as the event that sparked this, can we get this moron censured as well? |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
146
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:14:00 -
[4650] - Quote
Lt Pizi wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:This is a political witch hunt in my opinion.
Did he cross a line?
Yes he did. you should read up witch hunt and evaluate your opinion
OK let me rephrase it. He crossed the line as Mittens the in game Goon. Got Banned for it. When did this turn into him needing to leave the CSM?
^^See what I did there?
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Malice Redeemer
Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:19:00 -
[4651] - Quote
Stalking Mantis wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:This is a political witch hunt in my opinion.
Did he cross a line?
Yes he did. you should read up witch hunt and evaluate your opinion OK let me rephrase it. He crossed the line as Mittens the in game Goon. Got Banned for it. When did this turn into him needing to leave the CSM? ^^See what I did there?
it wasn't in game, it was a public, Real life forum, open your eyes |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
146
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:25:00 -
[4652] - Quote
Malice Redeemer wrote:[quote=Stalking Mantis][quote=Lt Pizi]
it wasn't in game, it was a public, Real life forum, open your eyes
And during this 'Public' and 'Real Life' forum who was he representing?
His real life self?
The Chair of the CSM?
Or The Mittani The Alliance Leader during an 'Alliance' Forum?
The Mittani (the ingame character) got banned for inappropriate actions/words. Full Stop.
Again....When did this turn into him needing to leave the CSM?
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Romeo Deluxe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:27:00 -
[4653] - Quote
This person is still a CSM? Weak, CCP, weak. |
Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
61
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 16:28:00 -
[4654] - Quote
Stalking Mantis wrote:Lt Pizi wrote:Stalking Mantis wrote:This is a political witch hunt in my opinion.
Did he cross a line?
Yes he did. you should read up witch hunt and evaluate your opinion OK let me rephrase it. He crossed the line as Mittens the in game Goon. Got Banned for it. When did this turn into him needing to leave the CSM? ^^See what I did there?
because an action was taken against his account , and thus a removal from the CSM was necessary What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because WE LOVE YOU |
Malice Redeemer
Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:34:00 -
[4655] - Quote
Ryunaga wrote:People say The Mittani went too far by exposing someone's character name but this is all pretend outrage intended to exploit an opportunity. How often do you see these same people crap post or not complain about someone else doing exactly this on the forums or elsewhere? (Exactly)
Lets face it, there is a bunch of people here upset that The Mittani is chairman of the CSM again and would like any excuse to have him out of it. Suicide ganking and shooting miners are obviously valid game mechanics that CCP condones so having fake outrage like it is a violation of the rules doesn't apply here.
its funny how closed minded people get in these own little world. I could care less about goon/griefing/space politics. I just heard about this today, and I am disgusted with his remarks, and and very glad ccp did something about it. period. |
Lady Hestia
Paragon Innovations Black Nova Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 16:57:00 -
[4656] - Quote
Jack ass, your entire power point was meant to make fun of people you screw over. Goonswarm isn't 'only' about causing trouble in the game. You're doing these things to **** people off 'for the lulz'.
I don't buy your ****** apology at all. And no, I'm not f***ing surprised. |
Kadrandukan Kardarakun
Poseidaon
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:30:00 -
[4657] - Quote
And that's all about representing playerbase. I know people like him. I didn't vote for him. Not worth representing me. Good he's not a chairman now. Good decision. |
NVRYNZWS Escort
Escort Local Operations Wing
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.30 17:39:00 -
[4658] - Quote
page 2 this is going to be an epic thread
too true and completely satisfying
you are goonswarm
the mittani is the mittani
you had a few and mucked it
you saw it said so and stepped down whether escorted or walked
you resigned and accepted a session skip with a equally possible return
your apology is real ... i will take real over opinions of sincerity any day
will this stop goons?
|)4^^|\| VV311 better not...what would be the fun in that
comebacks are the b$#@% ask Sansha huh lol
kudos mitt
we don't need no water let that futhermuckin jita burn ... burn futhermucker burn
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wanking monkey girl
Capital Maintenance
22
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:48:00 -
[4659] - Quote
so lets to and work this out, he stepped down from csm6 as he wanted people to taunt someone to kill them self. he was given a 30day ban and from this was unable to take csm7 office.
their has been several csm in the past kicked off the csm no one was given the option to re vote the only stupid this from this is that he only was given a 30day ban and not a lifetime ban, for violating several of the game rules that we all follow.
the king of space is now the of asses. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1355
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:10:00 -
[4660] - Quote
Just posting a little SyFy parody of this past weeks events. This is only meant for fun, no offense intended.
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Lt Pizi
Dark-Rising
61
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:37:00 -
[4661] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Just posting a little SyFy parody of this past weeks events. This is only meant for fun, no offense intended. lol
I am sensingn++ an emotional presence, CCP. I would normally describe it as being terrified What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things Its because -áWE LOVE YOU Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume! |
Cyalume
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:43:00 -
[4662] - Quote
You got off light. That's all I have to say about it. |
Andramedae
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.30 22:43:00 -
[4663] - Quote
Biggest load of BS this side of Jita.
You knew exactly what you were saying and using the drunks defence just proves that you are not the person you say you are. Not withstanding the ra-ra crowds and your own utterences, Mr Alex Gianturco, you have shown by your actions exactly what sort of person you in fact are - one that is much, much closer to your on screen persona than you would like people to think.
I sincerely hope that someone in the jurisdiction where you live lodges a formal complain against you with the bar association. It's horrible to think that someone in your position actively pushes for the suicide of someone in a public forum, irrespective of the circumstances, your personal situation nor the context.
I so hope they burn you a new one. |
Win Sui
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.03.30 22:45:00 -
[4664] - Quote
This is my rifter. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifter is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. My rifter, without me, is useless. Without my rifter, I am useless.
See you soon. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2012.03.30 22:45:00 -
[4665] - Quote
Dear lord. It is over and done with. He has had his sanction, being suspended from the game for 30 days and losing his place on the CSM.
Enough is enough now. Time to move onto something different. |
Khadann
First Legion La Division Bleue
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 23:06:00 -
[4666] - Quote
Vive les gros. |
RLCHANCE
Tribal Souls Tribal Dragons
5
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Posted - 2012.03.30 23:33:00 -
[4667] - Quote
Its fu'king chilldish how 90% of the goon Reply's on this Post are just plane Sick Rude and Stupid |
Jannos Szabo
ANZUS Treaty Shattered Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.03.31 02:15:00 -
[4668] - Quote
Andramedae wrote:Biggest load of BS this side of Jita.
You knew exactly what you were saying and using the drunks defence just proves that you are not the person you say you are. Not withstanding the ra-ra crowds and your own utterences, Mr Alex Gianturco, you have shown by your actions exactly what sort of person you in fact are - one that is much, much closer to your on screen persona than you would like people to think.
I sincerely hope that someone in the jurisdiction where you live lodges a formal complain against you with the bar association. It's horrible to think that someone in your position actively pushes for the suicide of someone in a public forum, irrespective of the circumstances, your personal situation nor the context.
I so hope they burn you a new one.
Hear, hear! |
Ai Shun
513
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 02:19:00 -
[4669] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Enough is enough now. Time to move onto something different.
They are not going to let it go. No matter that apologies have been made, restitution has been made and punishment has been dealt out. Because it's now about the bitter tears the Goons extracted for so many years.
In fact, it ceased to be about anything other than Goonswarm and in-game politics a LONG time ago. This is the only way the overwhelming number of carebears can take revenge for the Ice interdiction, Hulkageddon, you name it. By becoming what they proclaim to oppose.
At least, that is what it looks like.
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Ai Shun
513
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Posted - 2012.03.31 02:21:00 -
[4670] - Quote
RLCHANCE wrote:Its fu'king chilldish how 90% of the goon Reply's on this Post are just plane Sick Rude and Stupid
Please do not break the EULA. I will refer you to clause 2:
EULA wrote:You may not use any abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language. (Alternate spelling or partial masking of such words will be reprimanded in the same manner as the actual use of such words.)
You have used an alternate spelling / partial masking to allow yourself to use abusive terminology. It is not acceptable to break the EULA in EVE Online. |
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Hamshoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.31 02:28:00 -
[4671] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Enough is enough now. Time to move onto something different. They are not going to let it go. No matter that apologies have been made,...
"I was really drunk at the time" stops being a sincere apology at about age 16. It's an attempt at an excuse. |
Ai Shun
513
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Posted - 2012.03.31 02:35:00 -
[4672] - Quote
Hamshoe wrote:"I was really drunk at the time" stops being a sincere apology at about age 16. It's an attempt at an excuse.
The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
Yeah. Reading, I know. It's hard. And yes, that's what she said.
Edit: School of Applied Knowledge - I like it. It's beautiful and poetic in a way. |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
85
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Posted - 2012.03.31 02:37:00 -
[4673] - Quote
Hamshoe wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Enough is enough now. Time to move onto something different. They are not going to let it go. No matter that apologies have been made,... "I was really drunk at the time" stops being a sincere apology at about age 16. It's an attempt at an excuse.
If I recall correctly, which I do, Mittani specifically states that his inebriation is no excuse for what he said.
So, how is he using the "i was really drunk" excuse?
The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
While I don't condone the act, the fact people are making it sound like he's making an excuse is pure BULLSH*T. |
Ai Shun
513
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Posted - 2012.03.31 02:42:00 -
[4674] - Quote
Dyner wrote:While I don't condone the act, the fact people are making it sound like he's making an excuse is pure nonsense
I have sanitised your post to be carebear friendly. We would not want you to inadvertently break the EULA. I do agree with you though, people are distorting matters quite a bit to suit their agendas.
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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
634
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 04:11:00 -
[4675] - Quote
"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." -Bill Belsey
hmmmmm Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
86
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:11:00 -
[4676] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Dyner wrote:While I don't condone the act, the fact people are making it sound like he's making an excuse is pure nonsense I have sanitised your post to be carebear friendly. We would not want you to inadvertently break the EULA. I do agree with you though, people are distorting matters quite a bit to suit their agendas.
Fine, I'll carebear-ify my post too
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Ai Shun
517
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:15:00 -
[4677] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." -Bill Belsey
hmmmmm
I know. So when are you guys going to leave the Mittani alone? |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
634
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:44:00 -
[4678] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:RougeOperator wrote:"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." -Bill Belsey
hmmmmm I know. So when are you guys going to leave the Mittani alone?
He was a public person and player. The US supreme court has ruled in the past that a public person is not as protected as a private person.
And we are addressing his positions as said public person. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Ai Shun
525
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:04:00 -
[4679] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ai Shun wrote:RougeOperator wrote:"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." -Bill Belsey
hmmmmm I know. So when are you guys going to leave the Mittani alone? He was a public person and player. The US supreme court has ruled in the past that a public person is not as protected as a private person. And we are addressing his positions as said public person.
So you are saying you are justified in harassing someone because they are a public figure? You have a sick sense of morality, RougeOperator.
Oh ... and ... the world is bigger than the United States of America. So **** your Supreme Court. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
634
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 05:51:00 -
[4680] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ai Shun wrote:RougeOperator wrote:"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." -Bill Belsey
hmmmmm I know. So when are you guys going to leave the Mittani alone? He was a public person and player. The US supreme court has ruled in the past that a public person is not as protected as a private person. And we are addressing his positions as said public person. So you are saying you are justified in harassing someone because they are a public figure? You have a sick sense of morality, RougeOperator. Oh ... and ... the world is bigger than the United States of America. So **** your Supreme Court.
And we are addressing his positions as said public person.
Reading is hard huh.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
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Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Persona Non Gratis
85
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:58:00 -
[4681] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Ai Shun wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ai Shun wrote:RougeOperator wrote:"Cyberbullying involves the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behaviour by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." -Bill Belsey
hmmmmm I know. So when are you guys going to leave the Mittani alone? He was a public person and player. The US supreme court has ruled in the past that a public person is not as protected as a private person. And we are addressing his positions as said public person. So you are saying you are justified in harassing someone because they are a public figure? You have a sick sense of morality, RougeOperator. Oh ... and ... the world is bigger than the United States of America. So **** your Supreme Court. And we are addressing his positions as said public person. Reading is hard huh.
Define a public person in regards to the gaming industry, MMO's, and a virtual world.
The Mittani is a character. A character that was created by a private person. And US laws do not apply to a person making comments in Iceland. It is like saying every person in that room that may have asked a question is a public person based on the fact that CCP streamed the event.
He is still a private person and is afforded said rights of a private person. And regardless, what he said was not that big of a deal. There are far too many introverted, sensitive people in this game. Sack up and if you can't handle a little trolling GTFO.
~Occupy New Eden~ |
Callduron
126
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:03:00 -
[4682] - Quote
The Mittani's real life address has been published on the internet. Someone responded by making a threat to go round and **** his wife.
Surely it's time to call the police. Does someone have to die before people wake up to the fact that this activity is not purely virtual? |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
124
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:06:00 -
[4683] - Quote
I'm not a big one for censorship, but I am starting to come to the conclusion that CCP should have technical problems on these forums for a few weeks and shut them down. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
667
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:07:00 -
[4684] - Quote
Callduron wrote:The Mittani's real life address has been just published on the internet. Someone responded by making a threat to go round and **** his wife.
Surely it's time to call the police. Does someone have to die before people wake up to the fact that this activity is not purely virtual?
Absolutely. The police should be the very first place he contacts, and from there the police can contact CCP to get to the bottom of who is involved.
Posting in the EVE forums about such issues is about the worst thing anyone could do.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1356
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:28:00 -
[4685] - Quote
Callduron wrote:The Mittani's real life address has been just published on the internet. Someone responded by making a threat to go round and **** his wife.
Surely it's time to call the police. Does someone have to die before people wake up to the fact that this activity is not purely virtual? Well, considering his address info was already easily obtainable on the internet before this issue that part isn't relevant. As for the comment about his wife, not cool but hey, was the caller drunk and just making a bad tasteless joke? Anyway, don't think there was a death threat involved.
Oh wait, The Mittani encouraged players on world wide video feed to find and harass a potentially suicidal player to help facilitate that said person to commit suicide.
Yeah, definitely it's time to contact the police. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
125
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:33:00 -
[4686] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Callduron wrote:The Mittani's real life address has been just published on the internet. Someone responded by making a threat to go round and **** his wife.
Surely it's time to call the police. Does someone have to die before people wake up to the fact that this activity is not purely virtual? Well, considering his address info was already easily obtainable on the internet before this issue that part isn't relevant. As for the comment about his wife, not cool but hey, was the caller drunk and just making a bad tasteless joke? Anyway, don't think there was a death threat involved. Oh wait, The Mittani encouraged players on world wide video feed to find and harass a potentially suicidal player to help facilitate that said person to commit suicide. Yeah, definitely it's time to contact the police. Not at all funny. This is a real woman's life we are talking about and the fear that goes along with it. This kind of crap should not be joked about at all. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1356
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:42:00 -
[4687] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: Not at all funny. This is a real woman's life we are talking about and the fear that goes along with it. This kind of crap should not be joked about at all.
I agree and the same thing is true about the Mittani encouraging players on world wide video feed to find and harass a potentially suicidal person to help facilitate that person to commit suicide. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
126
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:49:00 -
[4688] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Not at all funny. This is a real woman's life we are talking about and the fear that goes along with it. This kind of crap should not be joked about at all.
I agree and the same thing is true about the Mittani encouraging players on world wide video feed to find and harass a potentially suicidal person to help facilitate that person to commit suicide. His actions were stupid to say the least but giving out Mittens home address and having threats against his wife who doesn't even play isn't stupid its completely insane. These things are on two different levels if you don't think so watch the alliance panel footage again. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
635
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:50:00 -
[4689] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Callduron wrote:The Mittani's real life address has been just published on the internet. Someone responded by making a threat to go round and **** his wife.
Surely it's time to call the police. Does someone have to die before people wake up to the fact that this activity is not purely virtual? Well, considering his address info was already easily obtainable on the internet before this issue that part isn't relevant. As for the comment about his wife, not cool but hey, was the caller drunk and just making a bad tasteless joke? Anyway, don't think there was a death threat involved. Oh wait, The Mittani encouraged players on world wide video feed to find and harass a potentially suicidal player to help facilitate that said person to commit suicide. Yeah, definitely it's time to contact the police. Not at all funny. This is a real woman's life we are talking about and the fear that goes along with it. This kind of crap should not be joked about at all.
And that was peoples points about him calling for a person to be pushed to suicide. But the goons and their allies just laughed it off.
Its sickening either way. I Just hope that this horrible incident about his IRL addy and threats make him understand why what he did that started it off was considered wrong by many of us.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:57:00 -
[4690] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: And that was peoples points about him calling for a person to be pushed to suicide. But the goons and their allies just laughed it off.
It was a "Real Person ---> EvEguy" interaction. The case we're talking about is a "Real Person ---> Uninvolved third party real person" deal. There's a difference. |
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DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:58:00 -
[4691] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Frying Doom wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Callduron wrote:The Mittani's real life address has been just published on the internet. Someone responded by making a threat to go round and **** his wife.
Surely it's time to call the police. Does someone have to die before people wake up to the fact that this activity is not purely virtual? Well, considering his address info was already easily obtainable on the internet before this issue that part isn't relevant. As for the comment about his wife, not cool but hey, was the caller drunk and just making a bad tasteless joke? Anyway, don't think there was a death threat involved. Oh wait, The Mittani encouraged players on world wide video feed to find and harass a potentially suicidal player to help facilitate that said person to commit suicide. Yeah, definitely it's time to contact the police. Not at all funny. This is a real woman's life we are talking about and the fear that goes along with it. This kind of crap should not be joked about at all. And that was peoples points about him calling for a person to be pushed to suicide. But the goons and their allies just laughed it off. Its sickening either way. I Just hope that this horrible incident about his IRL addy and threats make him understand why what he did that started it off was considered wrong by many of us.
You are literally a sub-human piece of garbage IRL. Mittani apologized over and over for what he did truthfully and sincerely. He's received a 30-day ban in game and has been removed from the CSM. he KNOWS and UNDERSTANDS that what he did was wrong and has said that repeatedly.
Yet you appear to condone the action of someone saying they're going to go to his house and **** his wife (who is a very lovely woman, by the way!) right after his home address was posted. You make me ******* sick. |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:05:00 -
[4692] - Quote
DaiTengu wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Frying Doom wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Callduron wrote:The Mittani's real life address has been just published on the internet. Someone responded by making a threat to go round and **** his wife.
Surely it's time to call the police. Does someone have to die before people wake up to the fact that this activity is not purely virtual? Well, considering his address info was already easily obtainable on the internet before this issue that part isn't relevant. As for the comment about his wife, not cool but hey, was the caller drunk and just making a bad tasteless joke? Anyway, don't think there was a death threat involved. Oh wait, The Mittani encouraged players on world wide video feed to find and harass a potentially suicidal player to help facilitate that said person to commit suicide. Yeah, definitely it's time to contact the police. Not at all funny. This is a real woman's life we are talking about and the fear that goes along with it. This kind of crap should not be joked about at all. And that was peoples points about him calling for a person to be pushed to suicide. But the goons and their allies just laughed it off. Its sickening either way. I Just hope that this horrible incident about his IRL addy and threats make him understand why what he did that started it off was considered wrong by many of us. You are literally a sub-human piece of garbage IRL. Mittani apologized over and over for what he did truthfully and sincerely. He's received a 30-day ban in game and has been removed from the CSM. he KNOWS and UNDERSTANDS that what he did was wrong and has said that repeatedly. Yet you appear to condone the action of someone saying they're going to go to his house and **** his wife (who is a very lovely woman, by the way!) right after his home address was posted. You make me ******* sick. would this make you rage more, Perma Ban for Mitardi.
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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
635
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:06:00 -
[4693] - Quote
DaiTengu wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Frying Doom wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Callduron wrote:The Mittani's real life address has been just published on the internet. Someone responded by making a threat to go round and **** his wife.
Surely it's time to call the police. Does someone have to die before people wake up to the fact that this activity is not purely virtual? Well, considering his address info was already easily obtainable on the internet before this issue that part isn't relevant. As for the comment about his wife, not cool but hey, was the caller drunk and just making a bad tasteless joke? Anyway, don't think there was a death threat involved. Oh wait, The Mittani encouraged players on world wide video feed to find and harass a potentially suicidal player to help facilitate that said person to commit suicide. Yeah, definitely it's time to contact the police. Not at all funny. This is a real woman's life we are talking about and the fear that goes along with it. This kind of crap should not be joked about at all. And that was peoples points about him calling for a person to be pushed to suicide. But the goons and their allies just laughed it off. Its sickening either way. I Just hope that this horrible incident about his IRL addy and threats make him understand why what he did that started it off was considered wrong by many of us. You are literally a sub-human piece of garbage IRL. Mittani apologized over and over for what he did truthfully and sincerely. He's received a 30-day ban in game and has been removed from the CSM. he KNOWS and UNDERSTANDS that what he did was wrong and has said that repeatedly. Yet you appear to condone the action of someone saying they're going to go to his house and **** his wife (who is a very lovely woman, by the way!) right after his home address was posted. You make me ******* sick.
Are you mental. How do you get that from what I posted?
Explain please.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:08:00 -
[4694] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Are you mental. How do you get that from what I posted?
Explain please.
Because you are trying to justify the threat against Mittani's safety, rape against Mittani's wife, and shooting his dog all because he made a big mistake at fanfest. An uninvolved party in this whole mess got dragged into it and had their safety threatened. Oh wait Mittani's wife is involved in this because she married him, right? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1359
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:09:00 -
[4695] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Frying Doom wrote:
I agree and the same thing is true about the Mittani encouraging players on world wide video feed to find and harass a potentially suicidal person to help facilitate that person to commit suicide.
His actions were stupid to say the least but giving out Mittens home address and having threats against his wife who doesn't even play isn't stupid its completely insane. These things are on two different levels if you don't think so watch the alliance panel footage again.
I've watched it 1/2 a dozen times. Everytime I see it I get even more disgusted that CCP allows and sanctions that type of behavior. As for the personal info being posted, CCP posted all CSM candidates real name and general location, not hard for people to find out somebody's personal info if they wanted too..
Basically what I see here is you trying to make it seem like I condone these actions. I do not condone or encourage anything like that. However, it seems like you're saying it's ok for someone to go on a world wide video feed and incite others to harass a potentially suicidal person with the intention to help facilitate that person to act on those tendencies.
Bottom line: inciting others to provoke a potentially suicidal person to act on those tendencies is just as bad as someone making threats of sexual violence against another person.
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
127
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:19:00 -
[4696] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Frying Doom wrote:
I agree and the same thing is true about the Mittani encouraging players on world wide video feed to find and harass a potentially suicidal person to help facilitate that person to commit suicide.
His actions were stupid to say the least but giving out Mittens home address and having threats against his wife who doesn't even play isn't stupid its completely insane. These things are on two different levels if you don't think so watch the alliance panel footage again. I've watched it 1/2 a dozen times. Everytime I see it I get even more disgusted that CCP allows and sanctions that type of behavior. As for the personal info being posted, CCP posted all CSM candidates real name and general location, not hard for people to find out somebody's personal info if they wanted too.. Basically what I see here is you trying to make it seem like I condone these actions. I do not condone or encourage anything like that. However, it seems like you're saying it's ok for someone to go on a world wide video feed and incite others to harass a potentially suicidal person with the intention to help facilitate that person to act on those tendencies. Bottom line: inciting others to provoke a potentially suicidal person to act on those tendencies is just as bad as someone making threats of sexual violence against another person. Honestly wasn't trying to imply anything other than this need to stop before someones life is destroyed Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:20:00 -
[4697] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Are you mental. How do you get that from what I posted?
Explain please.
Because you are trying to justify the threat against Mittani's safety, ra pe against Mittani's wife, and shooting his dog all because he made a big mistake at fanfest. An uninvolved party in this whole mess got dragged into it and had their safety threatened. Oh wait Mittani's wife is involved in this because she married him, right? Yup mental. I was making the point that what he did was freaking evil just as the claims that he is being threatened are. That neither were OK but that it might give him the sorely needed perspective as to why what he did was in fact cyberbullying. But you dont care about the truth or fact. And from recent interviews with mittens neither does he. Him and his goons dont get it. We understand that now. The whole organization itself bottom up and top down is pretty much made of bullies. Tell me. Do you have The Wis' personal name? Do we even know who he is in real life? What if The Wis had stopped playing Eve Online then and Mittani did that crap? Would it hold water compared to this situation? Unlike "Hey here is where Mittani lives, go shoot his dog, go rape his wife, and kill Mittani. Do it for Eve Online!"
You're still trying to justify this. |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:21:00 -
[4698] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:And you're literally lower than a sub-human piece of garbage for removing my posted statement - I do not condone or encourage that type of action.
Typical example of how you guys operate.
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole situation has been staged right from the start. Either way, you a*****s are well on your way to destroying this game, especially since the major news agencies around the world are sure to run this story. So people has got to threaten Mittani, rape his wife, and shoot his dog in order to save this game? |
BUSTY MARINARA
Its a French Cognac Squee.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:22:00 -
[4699] - Quote
AND 234 PAGES LATER.... Nothing is Accomplished.
Like anyone cares about 234 pages of opinions. Read the post- and then start your own post about how lame CCP is. It is the American way. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
637
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:26:00 -
[4700] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
And you're literally lower than a sub-human piece of garbage for removing my posted statement - I do not condone or encourage that type of action.
Typical example of how you guys operate.
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole situation has been staged right from the start. Either way, you a*****s are well on your way to destroying this game, especially since the major news agencies around the world are sure to run this story.
So you are saying that the whole he is getting threats, and the person posting his addy were goon alts staging the whole thing?
Though possible I dont want to go down thinking that way. Its just......If they did that it would just be way out of line.
Id rather think that its something that should be treated serious and honest. I dont like the idea of taking chances with anyone's IRL welfare. Im sure the police in his area have been contacted.
I dont find the circumstances of IRL harm should be fodder for trolling or jokes. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1359
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:27:00 -
[4701] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:And you're literally lower than a sub-human piece of garbage for removing my posted statement - I do not condone or encourage that type of action.
Typical example of how you guys operate.
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole situation has been staged right from the start. Either way, you a*****s are well on your way to destroying this game, especially since the major news agencies around the world are sure to run this story. So people has got to threaten Mittani, ra pe his wife, and shoot his dog in order to save this game? This isn't something we came up in order to save Mittani's reputation. No one even me would put up their wife as a bargaining chip in order to get on the pubbie's good will. People were banned over that threat and the posting of his personal information. I certainly would not put my own wife up as a bargaining chip because she is not a part of this game nor does she play this game at all. Quit trying to twist my statements around and portray them out of context.
Bottom line: inciting others to provoke a potentially suicidal person to act on those tendencies is just as bad as someone making threats of sexual violence against another person.
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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
637
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:27:00 -
[4702] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:And you're literally lower than a sub-human piece of garbage for removing my posted statement - I do not condone or encourage that type of action.
Typical example of how you guys operate.
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole situation has been staged right from the start. Either way, you a*****s are well on your way to destroying this game, especially since the major news agencies around the world are sure to run this story. So people has got to threaten Mittani, ra pe his wife, and shoot his dog in order to save this game? This isn't something we came up in order to save Mittani's reputation. No one even me would put up their wife as a bargaining chip in order to get on the pubbie's good will. People were banned over that threat and the posting of his personal information. I certainly would not put my own wife up as a bargaining chip because she is not a part of this game nor does she play this game at all.
You know what Screw it, I tried to talk to you but you just want to be the badass goon.
Reported. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:29:00 -
[4703] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:And you're literally lower than a sub-human piece of garbage for removing my posted statement - I do not condone or encourage that type of action.
Typical example of how you guys operate.
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole situation has been staged right from the start. Either way, you a*****s are well on your way to destroying this game, especially since the major news agencies around the world are sure to run this story. So people has got to threaten Mittani, ra pe his wife, and shoot his dog in order to save this game? This isn't something we came up in order to save Mittani's reputation. No one even me would put up their wife as a bargaining chip in order to get on the pubbie's good will. People were banned over that threat and the posting of his personal information. I certainly would not put my own wife up as a bargaining chip because she is not a part of this game nor does she play this game at all. Quit trying to twist my statements around and portray them out of context. Bottom line: inciting others to provoke a potentially suicidal person to act on those tendencies is just as bad as someone making threats of sexual violence against another person. Just as bad? Rape is worse. Incitement to suicide which this obviously failed is not. God, in your culture, **** threats must be passe. |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:30:00 -
[4704] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:And you're literally lower than a sub-human piece of garbage for removing my posted statement - I do not condone or encourage that type of action.
Typical example of how you guys operate.
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole situation has been staged right from the start. Either way, you a*****s are well on your way to destroying this game, especially since the major news agencies around the world are sure to run this story. So people has got to threaten Mittani, ra pe his wife, and shoot his dog in order to save this game? This isn't something we came up in order to save Mittani's reputation. No one even me would put up their wife as a bargaining chip in order to get on the pubbie's good will. People were banned over that threat and the posting of his personal information. I certainly would not put my own wife up as a bargaining chip because she is not a part of this game nor does she play this game at all. You know what Screw it, I tried to talk to you but you just want to be the badass goon. Reported. Reported for what? Because I call you out on the fact you're defending the threats against his wife and going "Well if he didn't do this, then he wouldn't have gotten the threats so he deserves them!" I see it now pubbie. Mittani deserves an eye for an eye. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
637
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:31:00 -
[4705] - Quote
If the latest posts by goons in this thread are an indication of what the goons have planned for the counter PR operations.
Its just sick. In the head and in the heart.
WTF goons. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1359
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:31:00 -
[4706] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
And you're literally lower than a sub-human piece of garbage for removing my posted statement - I do not condone or encourage that type of action.
Typical example of how you guys operate.
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole situation has been staged right from the start. Either way, you a*****s are well on your way to destroying this game, especially since the major news agencies around the world are sure to run this story.
So you are saying that the whole he is getting threats, and the person posting his addy were goon alts staging the whole thing? Though possible I dont want to go down thinking that way. Its just......If they did that it would just be way out of line. Id rather think that its something that should be treated serious and honest. I dont like the idea of taking chances with anyone's IRL welfare. Im sure the police in his area have been contacted. I dont find the circumstances of IRL harm should be fodder for trolling or jokes. The typical example of how they operate is by deleting my statement that I do not condone or encourage those actions.
As for thinking it's all been staged from the start, no I do not but it wouldn't surprise me if that does end up being the case. |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:32:00 -
[4707] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:If the latest posts by goons in this thread are an indication of what the goons have planned for the counter PR operations.
Its just sick. In the head and in the heart.
WTF goons. What PR operation? What proof do you have of this? Do you sit in your basement going "Yes.. The goons have definitely decided to use Mittani's wife to sway public opinion."
What if it had been me? Would you assume that I would be willing to use my own wife which I am married to score points on Eve online? |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:33:00 -
[4708] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:RougeOperator wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
And you're literally lower than a sub-human piece of garbage for removing my posted statement - I do not condone or encourage that type of action.
Typical example of how you guys operate.
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole situation has been staged right from the start. Either way, you a*****s are well on your way to destroying this game, especially since the major news agencies around the world are sure to run this story.
So you are saying that the whole he is getting threats, and the person posting his addy were goon alts staging the whole thing? Though possible I dont want to go down thinking that way. Its just......If they did that it would just be way out of line. Id rather think that its something that should be treated serious and honest. I dont like the idea of taking chances with anyone's IRL welfare. Im sure the police in his area have been contacted. I dont find the circumstances of IRL harm should be fodder for trolling or jokes. The typical example of how they operate is by deleting my statement that I do not condone or encourage those actions. As for thinking it's all been staged from the start, no I do not but it wouldn't surprise me if that does end up being the case. Of course you think it would be staged from the start because you lack common sense. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
637
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:33:00 -
[4709] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:And you're literally lower than a sub-human piece of garbage for removing my posted statement - I do not condone or encourage that type of action.
Typical example of how you guys operate.
I wouldn't be surprised if this whole situation has been staged right from the start. Either way, you a*****s are well on your way to destroying this game, especially since the major news agencies around the world are sure to run this story. So people has got to threaten Mittani, ra pe his wife, and shoot his dog in order to save this game? This isn't something we came up in order to save Mittani's reputation. No one even me would put up their wife as a bargaining chip in order to get on the pubbie's good will. People were banned over that threat and the posting of his personal information. I certainly would not put my own wife up as a bargaining chip because she is not a part of this game nor does she play this game at all. You know what Screw it, I tried to talk to you but you just want to be the badass goon. Reported. Reported for what? Because I call you out on the fact you're defending the threats against his wife and going "Well if he didn't do this, then he wouldn't have gotten the threats so he deserves them!" I see it now pubbie. Mittani deserves an eye for an eye.
No one did any such thing.
You are a sick individual for suggesting such a thing. Even beyond the character you play.
Something rotten in your heart for even trying to play this sick game of twisting and lying you are right now.
Downright evil in intent and purpose.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
2
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:33:00 -
[4710] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Quit trying to twist my statements around and portray them out of context.
Bottom line: inciting others to provoke a potentially suicidal person to act on those tendencies is just as bad as someone making threats of sexual violence against another person.
Confirming The Mittani's wife said dumb **** at fan fest. |
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Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:35:00 -
[4711] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:No one did any such thing.
You are a sick individual for suggesting such a thing. Even beyond the character you play.
Something rotten in your heart for even trying to play this sick game of twisting and lying you are right now.
Downright evil in intent and purpose.
I'm a sick individual? You're defending the guy who made the threat. Seek help. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1359
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:41:00 -
[4712] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote: Just as bad? Rape is worse. Incitement to suicide which this obviously failed is not. God, in your culture, **** threats must be passe.
Don't know where you hail from but it's definitely not from the real world. Inciting someone to commit suicide is accessory to murder, plain and simple. **** is a sexual violent crime and sociably unacceptable but I would not say it's worse than murder and I highly doubt any legal court would say otherwise. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
637
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:41:00 -
[4713] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:RougeOperator wrote:If the latest posts by goons in this thread are an indication of what the goons have planned for the counter PR operations.
Its just sick. In the head and in the heart.
WTF goons. What PR operation? What proof do you have of this? Do you sit in your basement going "Yes.. The goons have definitely decided to use Mittani's wife to sway public opinion." I love a good PR operation and I love stiring up conspiracy theories, I don't think any one would be insane enough to put their wife's life at risk for PR. Said it before this needs to die or the forums need to have an accident till everyone cools down. I'm fine with conspiracy theories and all that crap pertaining ONLY to Eve Online but the line stops when it starts involving external factors OUTSIDE of Eve Online. But these above posters seems oblivious to the fact that Mittani has already been punished for this and owned up to it but they don't care if external factors are being pulled into this situation.
line stops when it starts involving external factors OUTSIDE Eve Online
You dont say. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:44:00 -
[4714] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote: Just as bad? Rape is worse. Incitement to suicide which this obviously failed is not. God, in your culture, **** threats must be passe.
Don't know where you hail from but it's definitely not from the real world. Inciting someone to commit suicide is accessory to murder, plain and simple. **** is a sexual violent crime and sociably unacceptable but I would not say it's worse than murder and I highly doubt any legal court would say otherwise. No it isn't. Incitement to Suicide ranks lower than of rape threats in the United States where The Mittani lives at. You know why? Violence Against Women's Act have escalated rape threats way up there above most crimes. |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:44:00 -
[4715] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:RougeOperator wrote:If the latest posts by goons in this thread are an indication of what the goons have planned for the counter PR operations.
Its just sick. In the head and in the heart.
WTF goons. What PR operation? What proof do you have of this? Do you sit in your basement going "Yes.. The goons have definitely decided to use Mittani's wife to sway public opinion." I love a good PR operation and I love stiring up conspiracy theories, I don't think any one would be insane enough to put their wife's life at risk for PR. Said it before this needs to die or the forums need to have an accident till everyone cools down. I'm fine with conspiracy theories and all that crap pertaining ONLY to Eve Online but the line stops when it starts involving external factors OUTSIDE of Eve Online. But these above posters seems oblivious to the fact that Mittani has already been punished for this and owned up to it but they don't care if external factors are being pulled into this situation. line stops when it starts involving external factors OUTSIDE Eve OnlineYou dont say. Don't defend those people then. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
637
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:46:00 -
[4716] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:
Don't defend those people then.
Who did? And when? Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
8
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:47:00 -
[4717] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote: Just as bad? Rape is worse. Incitement to suicide which this obviously failed is not. God, in your culture, **** threats must be passe.
Don't know where you hail from but it's definitely not from the real world. Inciting someone to commit suicide is accessory to murder, plain and simple. **** is a sexual violent crime and sociably unacceptable but I would not say it's worse than murder and I highly doubt any legal court would say otherwise.
eh, it depends on the law where you live, but in many cases the potential penalty for **** and murder both go up to life imprisonment.
both are bad, though in many cases **** would be considered more morally apprehensible, but that depends on the society/individual |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:48:00 -
[4718] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:
Don't defend those people then.
Who did? And when?
Quote:Its sickening either way. I Just hope that this horrible incident about his IRL addy and threats make him understand why what he did that started it off was considered wrong by many of us. You did. Two wrongs does not make a right. |
DaiTengu
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
115
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:48:00 -
[4719] - Quote
There's no ******* conspiracy here.
Anyone who suggests that there is has no common sense, conscience, or even the ability to separate fiction from reality.
Mittens' wife is awesome. My wife and her got along swimmingly last summer during our bi-annual goonp while the rest of us nerds talked spaceships.
She does not play Eve Online. She downright hates the game. Good job on giving her more of a reason to hate it.
You people are sick. Quit trying to justify this, it's not even remotely the same.
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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
637
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:50:00 -
[4720] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:
Don't defend those people then.
Who did? And when? Quote:Its sickening either way. I Just hope that this horrible incident about his IRL addy and threats make him understand why what he did that started it off was considered wrong by many of us. You did. Two wrongs does not make a right.
So you confirm only that you are unable to read.
OK.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
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Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
8
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:50:00 -
[4721] - Quote
DaiTengu wrote:There's no ******* conspiracy here.
Anyone who suggests that there is has no common sense, conscience, or even the ability to separate fiction from reality.
Mittens' wife is awesome. My wife and her got along swimmingly last summer during our bi-annual goonp while the rest of us nerds talked spaceships.
She does not play Eve Online. She downright hates the game. Good job on giving her more of a reason to hate it.
You people are sick. Quit trying to justify this, it's not even remotely the same.
pretty much, if someone had made that threat against my family, police would be contacted, and if they dared to show up, they'll be eating a full magazine of lead. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
637
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:51:00 -
[4722] - Quote
DaiTengu wrote:There's no ******* conspiracy here.
Anyone who suggests that there is has no common sense, conscience, or even the ability to separate fiction from reality.
Mittens' wife is awesome. My wife and her got along swimmingly last summer during our bi-annual goonp while the rest of us nerds talked spaceships.
She does not play Eve Online. She downright hates the game. Good job on giving her more of a reason to hate it.
You people are sick. Quit trying to justify this, it's not even remotely the same.
Justify what.
Its been condemned by all and i said that the police and CCP need to be contacted ASAP on twitter. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1359
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:52:00 -
[4723] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
As for thinking it's all been staged from the start, no I do not but it wouldn't surprise me if that does end up being the case.
Of course you think it would be staged from the start because you lack common sense.
Guess you missed that part - As for thinking it's all been staged from the start, no I do not but it wouldn't surprise me if that does end up being the case.
Anyway, you definitely lack reading comprehension. I can plainly see you're resorting to twisting statements around, portraying them out of context, using foul language and basically trying to mask the initial issue by concentrating on and continuously pushing this latest development of the whole situation.
As such, from now on my response to your posted replies will be with the 'report' option if needed. |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:52:00 -
[4724] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:
Don't defend those people then.
Who did? And when? Quote:Its sickening either way. I Just hope that this horrible incident about his IRL addy and threats make him understand why what he did that started it off was considered wrong by many of us. You did. Two wrongs does not make a right. So you confirm only that you are unable to read. OK. No, it confirms that you are trying to justify that Mittani should have not done this otherwise he would have not gotten those threats against his wife.
You are literally the worst poster and person in real life now. I hope you never marry a woman. |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:55:00 -
[4725] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
As for thinking it's all been staged from the start, no I do not but it wouldn't surprise me if that does end up being the case.
Of course you think it would be staged from the start because you lack common sense. Guess you missed that part - As for thinking it's all been staged from the start, no I do not but it wouldn't surprise me if that does end up being the case. Anyway, you definitely lack reading comprehension. I can plainly see you're resorting to twisting statements around, portraying them out of context, using foul language and basically trying to mask the initial issue by concentrating on and continuously pushing this latest development of the whole situation. As such, from now on my response to your posted replies will be with the 'report' option if needed. It's not staged at all. That's the thing. You think we're amoral people because of our conduct IN A GAME.. Get that? A GAME. I've ripped off over 40 billion of isk from people and that does not make me an amoral person. I do not care what happens to you in the game. You could get podded a thousand times by goonswarm and I still would not care. But if you were to meet me in real life, I would treat you for what you are. A human being. Yes, a lot of goonswarm members are people with common sense and a high sense of moral responsibility unlike some of the ***** in the game or say members of Anonymous everywhere. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
638
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:56:00 -
[4726] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote: No, it confirms that you are trying to justify that Mittani should have not done this otherwise he would have not gotten those threats against his wife.
You are literally the worst poster and person in real life now. I hope you never marry a woman.
Just wow.
You are a liar. And completely mentally incompetent.
That is all. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:57:00 -
[4727] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote: No, it confirms that you are trying to justify that Mittani should have not done this otherwise he would have not gotten those threats against his wife.
You are literally the worst poster and person in real life now. I hope you never marry a woman. Just wow. You are a liar. And completely mentally incompetent. That is all. Based on what? You were trying to justify the threat because you say Mittani deserved it when he slipped up and made a mistake which he paid clearly for.
The Wis is still protected by his anonymity. The Mittani is not and now he's being encouraged by all of GoonSwarm to buy a gun to defend his life and own family. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
638
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:57:00 -
[4728] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote: No, it confirms that you are trying to justify that Mittani should have not done this otherwise he would have not gotten those threats against his wife.
You are literally the worst poster and person in real life now. I hope you never marry a woman. Just wow. You are a liar. And completely mentally incompetent. That is all. Based on what? You were trying to justify the threat because you say Mittani deserved it when he slipped up and made a mistake which he paid clearly for.
Where are you getting that from? Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:58:00 -
[4729] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote: No, it confirms that you are trying to justify that Mittani should have not done this otherwise he would have not gotten those threats against his wife.
You are literally the worst poster and person in real life now. I hope you never marry a woman. Just wow. You are a liar. And completely mentally incompetent. That is all. Based on what? You were trying to justify the threat because you say Mittani deserved it when he slipped up and made a mistake which he paid clearly for. Where are you getting that from? Seriously?
Quote:Its sickening either way. I Just hope that this horrible incident about his IRL addy and threats make him understand why what he did that started it off was considered wrong by many of us. You cannot spin this however you want. Two wrongs does not make a right. |
Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
8
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:01:00 -
[4730] - Quote
tbh, It's pretty obvious, at least to me, that rouge isn't trying to justify the RL threat mittani has gotten, though I can see how it could be potentially viewed that way. That being said, I'm pretty sure rouge had mentioned earlier in the threat that he was against it.
at this point you two are just arguing semantics tbh |
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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
638
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:02:00 -
[4731] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:[quote=RougeOperator][quote=Grant Wyberious]Seriously? Quote:Its sickening either way. I Just hope that this horrible incident about his IRL addy and threats make him understand why what he did that started it off was considered wrong by many of us. You cannot spin this however you want. Two wrongs does not make a right.
Its sickening either way. So its not ok wither way.
Part two. I hope it gave him perspective.
I dont see a justification in there. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
638
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:03:00 -
[4732] - Quote
Sobach wrote:tbh, It's pretty obvious, at least to me, that rouge isn't trying to justify the RL threat mittani has gotten, though I can see how it could be potentially viewed that way. That being said, I'm pretty sure rouge had mentioned earlier in the threat that he was against it.
at this point you two are just arguing semantics tbh
No he is trying to spin troll something reprehensible.
Thats why what he is doing is so messed up and ive asked for contact info for CCP legal.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
638
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:04:00 -
[4733] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Sobach wrote:tbh, It's pretty obvious, at least to me, that rouge isn't trying to justify the RL threat mittani has gotten, though I can see how it could be potentially viewed that way. That being said, I'm pretty sure rouge had mentioned earlier in the threat that he was against it.
at this point you two are just arguing semantics tbh No he is trying to spin troll something reprehensible. Its beneath even goons to be trying to do what he is doing. Thats why what he is doing is so messed up and ive asked for contact info for CCP legal.
and abhorrent.
Its beneath even goons to be trying to do what he is doing. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:05:00 -
[4734] - Quote
Sobach wrote:tbh, It's pretty obvious, at least to me, that rouge isn't trying to justify the RL threat mittani has gotten, though I can see how it could be potentially viewed that way. That being said, I'm pretty sure rouge had mentioned earlier in the threat that he was against it.
at this point you two are just arguing semantics tbh Except that the consequences of this event made people think that they were justified extracting Mittani's personal information, plastering it everywhere, and then proceeding to threaten rape against his companion. The Wis was protected by anonymity and Mittani was not. Nonetheless, his reasoning is that if Mittani had not carried out his accidental slip up, then it wouldn't have happened. The line was crossed and it should have ended at Mittani alone when he got removed from the CSM7. But no, two wrongs has to make a right in order to teach Mittani his lesson starting with his wife. No lesson is completed without making a second wrong. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
638
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:08:00 -
[4735] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:Sobach wrote:tbh, It's pretty obvious, at least to me, that rouge isn't trying to justify the RL threat mittani has gotten, though I can see how it could be potentially viewed that way. That being said, I'm pretty sure rouge had mentioned earlier in the threat that he was against it.
at this point you two are just arguing semantics tbh Except that the consequences of this event made people think that they were justified extracting Mittani's personal information, plastering it everywhere, and then proceeding to threaten ra pe against his companion. The Wis was protected by anonymity and Mittani was not. Nonetheless, his reasoning is that if Mittani had not carried out his accidental slip up, then it wouldn't have happened. The line was crossed and it should have ended at Mittani alone when he got removed from the CSM7. But no, two wrongs has to make a right in order to teach Mittani his lesson starting with his wife. No lesson is completed without making a second wrong.
WTF are you even going on about.
You are the only one saying this crap. And trying to insuate others are saying it. You are not doing mittens or anyone any favores here by trying to meta game this.
This stuff is not something to be treated as fodder for trolling and the game. Its to freaking serious and real for that. So please stop.
You are not doing anyone any favors and your making the goons look worse by trying to game this.
At least I hope your trying to game this cause i dont want to think there is someone out there this messed up. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:10:00 -
[4736] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:Sobach wrote:tbh, It's pretty obvious, at least to me, that rouge isn't trying to justify the RL threat mittani has gotten, though I can see how it could be potentially viewed that way. That being said, I'm pretty sure rouge had mentioned earlier in the threat that he was against it.
at this point you two are just arguing semantics tbh Except that the consequences of this event made people think that they were justified extracting Mittani's personal information, plastering it everywhere, and then proceeding to threaten ra pe against his companion. The Wis was protected by anonymity and Mittani was not. Nonetheless, his reasoning is that if Mittani had not carried out his accidental slip up, then it wouldn't have happened. The line was crossed and it should have ended at Mittani alone when he got removed from the CSM7. But no, two wrongs has to make a right in order to teach Mittani his lesson starting with his wife. No lesson is completed without making a second wrong. WTF are you even going on about. You are the only one saying this crap. And trying to insuate others are saying it. You are not doing mittens or anyone any favores here by trying to meta game this. This stuff is not something to be treated as fodder for trolling and the game. Its to freaking serious and real for that. So please stop. No. You're the one that tried to excuse this threat with that stupid statement of yours and you need to admit to the fact you were wrong that there was no justification for it whatsoever. Mittani deserved no lesson for it. The person who did it was wrong no matter what justification in the end. |
Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
9
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:11:00 -
[4737] - Quote
meh, I'm just calling it as I see it, tbh I think it's probably about time CCP start vaporizing these threads before more people get stupid and say things they probably shouldn't. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
638
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:15:00 -
[4738] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:Sobach wrote:tbh, It's pretty obvious, at least to me, that rouge isn't trying to justify the RL threat mittani has gotten, though I can see how it could be potentially viewed that way. That being said, I'm pretty sure rouge had mentioned earlier in the threat that he was against it.
at this point you two are just arguing semantics tbh Except that the consequences of this event made people think that they were justified extracting Mittani's personal information, plastering it everywhere, and then proceeding to threaten ra pe against his companion. The Wis was protected by anonymity and Mittani was not. Nonetheless, his reasoning is that if Mittani had not carried out his accidental slip up, then it wouldn't have happened. The line was crossed and it should have ended at Mittani alone when he got removed from the CSM7. But no, two wrongs has to make a right in order to teach Mittani his lesson starting with his wife. No lesson is completed without making a second wrong. WTF are you even going on about. You are the only one saying this crap. And trying to insuate others are saying it. You are not doing mittens or anyone any favores here by trying to meta game this. This stuff is not something to be treated as fodder for trolling and the game. Its to freaking serious and real for that. So please stop. No. You're the one that tried to excuse this threat with that stupid statement of yours and you need to admit to the fact you were wrong that there was no justification for it whatsoever. Mittani deserved no lesson for it. The person who did it was wrong no matter what justification in the end.
My statements in no way excused anything. It condemned it actually. And it did not offer justification either.
And I stand by the fact I hope it gave him some perspective on the situation.
All the is left here is you are trying to play a Game with stuff you should not. You need to take a step back and get perspective. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:19:00 -
[4739] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:Sobach wrote:tbh, It's pretty obvious, at least to me, that rouge isn't trying to justify the RL threat mittani has gotten, though I can see how it could be potentially viewed that way. That being said, I'm pretty sure rouge had mentioned earlier in the threat that he was against it.
at this point you two are just arguing semantics tbh Except that the consequences of this event made people think that they were justified extracting Mittani's personal information, plastering it everywhere, and then proceeding to threaten ra pe against his companion. The Wis was protected by anonymity and Mittani was not. Nonetheless, his reasoning is that if Mittani had not carried out his accidental slip up, then it wouldn't have happened. The line was crossed and it should have ended at Mittani alone when he got removed from the CSM7. But no, two wrongs has to make a right in order to teach Mittani his lesson starting with his wife. No lesson is completed without making a second wrong. WTF are you even going on about. You are the only one saying this crap. And trying to insuate others are saying it. You are not doing mittens or anyone any favores here by trying to meta game this. This stuff is not something to be treated as fodder for trolling and the game. Its to freaking serious and real for that. So please stop. No. You're the one that tried to excuse this threat with that stupid statement of yours and you need to admit to the fact you were wrong that there was no justification for it whatsoever. Mittani deserved no lesson for it. The person who did it was wrong no matter what justification in the end. My statements in no way excused anything. It condemned it actually. And it did not offer justification either. And I stand by the fact I hope it gave him some perspective on the situation. All the is left here is you are trying to play a Game with stuff you should not. You need to take a step back and get perspective. It didn't matter if it was supposed to give him some perspective. Darius III for example accused Vile Rat of abandoning his CSM duties to Iceland for the emergency summit. The reason why Vile Rat didn't go? His son was sick and needed his full attention but INTERNET SPACE GAME takes priority over family. The people of this INTERNET SPACE GAME needs to fuckoff with people's personal life and stay out of it. NO LESSON SHOULD EVER BE NEEDED FOR THAT. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1360
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:21:00 -
[4740] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote: Just as bad? Rape is worse. Incitement to suicide which this obviously failed is not. God, in your culture, **** threats must be passe.
Don't know where you hail from but it's definitely not from the real world. Inciting someone to commit suicide is accessory to murder, plain and simple. **** is a sexual violent crime and sociably unacceptable but I would not say it's worse than murder and I highly doubt any legal court would say otherwise. No it isn't. Incitement to Suicide ranks lower than of ra pe threats in the United States where The Mittani lives at. Especially if the person committed suicide was proven to have been found "of unsound mind" anyways. You know why? Violence Against Women's Act have escalated ra pe threats way up there above most crimes. GAWD you're dense. I also live in the United States, Southern California to be exact. Please post proof that someone received the Death Sentence for committing rapc.
If the suicide case was found to be 'of un-sound' mind and the person who facilitated it had prior knowledge of their condition, then that's premeditated murder.
Sounds like you're trying to justify that it's ok for someone to incite a mentally unstable person to act upon their suicidal tendencies.
You really should step back from all of this. |
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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
638
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:22:00 -
[4741] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:It didn't matter if it was supposed to give him some perspective. Darius III for example accused Vile Rat of abandoning his CSM duties to Iceland for the emergency summit. The reason why Vile Rat didn't go? His son was sick and needed his full attention but INTERNET SPACE GAME takes priority over family. The people of this INTERNET SPACE GAME needs to fuckoff with people's personal life and stay out of it. NO LESSON SHOULD EVER BE NEEDED FOR THAT.
It was my hope that it gave him perspective. You do know that that in no way condones a damn thing. Only that I hope he learned something from it.
So your saying that having a bunch of people try to harass someone into and IRL death is crossing the line.
And you agree with me completely then. You do realize that right?
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:27:00 -
[4742] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Grant Wyberious wrote: Just as bad? Rape is worse. Incitement to suicide which this obviously failed is not. God, in your culture, **** threats must be passe.
Don't know where you hail from but it's definitely not from the real world. Inciting someone to commit suicide is accessory to murder, plain and simple. **** is a sexual violent crime and sociably unacceptable but I would not say it's worse than murder and I highly doubt any legal court would say otherwise. No it isn't. Incitement to Suicide ranks lower than of ra pe threats in the United States where The Mittani lives at. Especially if the person committed suicide was proven to have been found "of unsound mind" anyways. You know why? Violence Against Women's Act have escalated ra pe threats way up there above most crimes. GAWD you're dense. I also live in the United States, Southern California to be exact. Please post proof that someone received the Death Sentence for committing rapc. If the suicide case was found to be 'of un-sound' mind and the person who facilitated it had prior knowledge of their condition, then that's premeditated murder. Sounds like you're trying to justify that it's ok for someone to incite a mentally unstable person to act upon their suicidal tendencies. You really should step back from all of this. Then you would need to cite me the appropriate laws because you are making them up as far as I know. For example: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1111 |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
186
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:29:00 -
[4743] - Quote
We're hearing about people making threats of various types to The Mittani and family.
Nobody outside of CCP and the Law (if relevant) has any right to take any action against The Mittani and his family, regardless how angry they feel about it. If you take any kind of action then you're as guilty if not a lot more so than he was.
Which means what you dislike is what you've become, so if anyone is doing it, stop it. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
160
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:33:00 -
[4744] - Quote
I absolutely do not condone real-life threats - I do not even condone bashing an individual player in order to make them feel like ****, even when they deserve it.
That said, you have to wonder at the Goons. Did you guys really think that if you spend years encouraging people to be meaner and meaner to each other, to the point where you publish people's evemails where they speak of being RL suicidal, you suddenly get to be surprised and indignant when someone goes further than you think is acceptable? Yes, it is unacceptable that someone is threatened in RL for the game. But you have yourself continuously encouraged a playing style the purpose of which is to make people feel like **** for real, and you have never explicitly spoken of the limits you set to that. People are people; if you build a culture that celebrates bringing out the worse in them, they will go further than you'd like.
I hope you think about that internally: how can you keep on encouraging the play-style you prefer while making sure people you encourage will know where your limits go. Because, unfortunately, what is self-evident to you will not be self-evident to everyone, and you have thousands of people in your organization and thousands more listening to what you say the game should be like. If you keep on encouraging a culture where there is competition about who can make someone cry the most, these things will happen again and again. It might not be your fault - obviously it is no one's fault in the end but the person's who makes the threat - but it is partly a result of the culture you encourage. And you cannot change the people, but you can change how you talk to them. |
MoyO zOlotse
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:35:00 -
[4745] - Quote
Non apology
=
Non accepted
Now using your goons to run a sympathy campaign for you.
Couldnt you have at least given things a little time to cool down?
Once a goon always a durp.
Hurp. |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:35:00 -
[4746] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I absolutely do not condone real-life threats - I do not even condone bashing an individual player in order to make them feel like ****, even when they deserve it.
That said, you have to wonder at the Goons. Did you guys really think that if you spend years encouraging people to be meaner and meaner to each other, to the point where you publish people's evemails where they speak of being RL suicidal, you suddenly get to be surprised and indignant when someone goes further than you think is acceptable? Yes, it is unacceptable that someone is threatened in RL for the game. But you have yourself continuously encouraged a playing style the purpose of which is to make people feel like **** for real, and you have never explicitly spoken of the limits you set to that. People are people; if you build a culture that celebrates bringing out the worse in them, they will go further than you'd like.
I hope you think about that internally: how can you keep on encouraging the play-style you prefer while making sure people you encourage will know where your limits go. Because, unfortunately, what is self-evident to you will not be self-evident to everyone, and you have thousands of people in your organization and thousands more listening to what you say the game should be like. If you keep on encouraging a culture where there is competition about who can make someone cry the most, these things will happen again and again. It might not be your fault - obviously it is no one's fault in the end but the person's who makes the threat - but it is partly a result of the culture you encourage. And you cannot change the people, but you can change how you talk to them. He also posted this in the other thread
Quote:Disclaimer: I absolutely do not approve of threatening anyone in RL, not even "as a joke", and hope anyone who does anything like that gets permabanned immediately, I do not even approve of pointing and laughing at people in the game in order to make them bad in RL, and I do not approve of the recent Mittani-bashing threads that have popped up. Any behavior the sole purpose of which is to "harvest tears" (and those are always RL tears, no matter how much you say "it is just a game") is deplorable, regardless of target and how much they deserve it.
But that said, a Goon asking "Is this what Eve Online has degraded to?" is mind-boggling. You folks have tried for years to deliberately degrade EVE, to make it about pointing and laughing, and you have stepped across civil behavior lines repeatedly by e.g. circulating private evemail from people who appear RL hurt, even suicidal. How can you now be indignant that you have actually succeeded, and beyond what you hoped? Did you honestly think that if you encourage human beings to bring out the worst in themselves and go further and further in being tough assholes, you suddenly can stop the development when it suits you? Did you honestly think that when you feel that things are now assholish enough, people will telepathically notice and stop going further?
That's not how it works. If you encourage people to "ruin the game for you", "harvest tears", "make them ragequit", etc, it will become a competition in which someone will always go one step further. Maybe in your head there always was a limit to it. Maybe you believed that people knew what it was. But people are not like that. If you encourage them to be mean, they will be mean. And some day they might very well be meaner than you liked. "I never meant it to go this far" won't help then, if you never explicitly spoke of the limits or encouraged a culture where it was ok to admit that well, really, we are not such bad guys, I really did feel bad blowing up that ship.
As sad as it is, you lie in the bed you made. Which he was trying to justify that Mittani deserves the threat against his wife. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1360
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Posted - 2012.03.31 08:51:00 -
[4747] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:
If the suicide case was found to be 'of un-sound' mind and the person who facilitated it had prior knowledge of their condition, then that's premeditated murder.
Sounds like you're trying to justify that it's ok for someone to incite a mentally unstable person to act upon their suicidal tendencies.
You really should step back from all of this.
Then you would need to cite me the appropriate laws because you are making them up as far as I know. For example: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1111 Maybe you should read it yourself and then walk away from this cuz you're constant posting isn't helping Mittani's case.
(a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. Every murder perpetrated by poison, lying in wait, or any other kind of willful, deliberate, malicious, and premeditated killing; or committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, any arson, escape, murder, kidnapping, treason, espionage, sabotage, aggravated sexual abuse or sexual abuse, child abuse, burglary, or robbery; or perpetrated as part of a pattern or practice of assault or torture against a child or children; or perpetrated from a premeditated design unlawfully and maliciously to effect the death of any human being other than him who is killed, is murder in the first degree.
Anyway, not sure what this thread has turned into now. I just hope that this whole Fanfest Fiasco doesn't kill the game. If so, The Mittani will always be known as 'That player who killed Eve'. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:44:00 -
[4748] - Quote
Hamshoe wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Enough is enough now. Time to move onto something different. They are not going to let it go. No matter that apologies have been made,... "I was really drunk at the time" stops being a sincere apology at about age 16. It's an attempt at an excuse.
Regardless of whether we do or do not see the appology as sincere he has been sanctioned for his behaviour that is why a line now needs to be drawn under it. As it is all that is going to happen is that people are going round and round in circles even more than before.
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
969
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:56:00 -
[4749] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: stuff
You don't have, or seem to not understand all the elements of this discussion some people are trying to show now for a moment and telling some of you "you're shooting the bad target'
I'd rather think you are na+»f and follows forum hate for a goon, and what a goon, just their leader and his wife. Well they do, you just don't seem to make the difference between a drunk guy saying bad stuff about IG char and real persons being threatened and see their personal information on the internet.
You just saw the bad publicity but never saw the real film. I'd be amused if some guys would dare to post the RL threat posts they receive, insult mails girls receive to make you land on your feet and realise what happened at fanfest was not that important considering how much The Wiz cares about all this stuff. |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:59:00 -
[4750] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:[quote=Grant Wyberious][quote=DeMichael Crimson]
Anyway, not sure what this thread has turned into now. I just hope that this whole Fanfest Fiasco doesn't kill the game. If so, The Mittani will always be known as 'That player who killed Eve'.
Really? Really now? "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1373
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:07:00 -
[4751] - Quote
As i see it. The whole show was under the stamp of "acting". You have had your presentation ready, you had your direction and you were doing it right.
The whole society which found it repulsive, or funny, or interesting .. is on their back as an receiving audience to form such opinions, and that is what it actually is. Just an opinion.
I dont blame some actors in an "psycho" movie for deliberately torturing small kids, why would i. So i dont blame you for saying what you said, why should i.
I found it ridiculous and that is my opinion.
See also internet anonymity, I can make **** up too about how horrible i feel and that you runied my life. Why because i would assume that my self-pitty is contagious, but i found earlier on that my self-pitty is pathetic and i despite myself as an living creature with no future. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
169
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:32:00 -
[4752] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:Which he was trying to justify that Mittani deserves the threat against his wife because he leads the alliance which have done many bad INGAME stuff to pubbies. She. And no, I am not trying to justify the threat. It is a ******* criminal thing to do and I hope the guy who did it will go to court for it and that he (including all his alts, present and future) is already permabanned from the game. I don't care what Mittani did, nothing he could have done would justify it.
If you read other things I have written, you will also see that I strongly disapprove of the continuous Mittani-bashing threads that creep up. He did a stupid thing, yes, but there was an apology and there were official consequences and that's it, we should all leave him (and his family, though that should be obvious) alone and talk about whether there is something for the rest of us to learn from this.
This is how it goes: - Goons blowing a guys ship up does not make it ok for him to threaten with suicide in order to make them stop - him threatening with suicide does not make it ok for goons to point and laugh, let alone for Mittani doing so in public - Mittani doing so does not make it ok for other people to bash him in public any way they like - Mittani's action or the bashing does not make it ok for someone to take it a step further and threaten his family. In other words, "he started it" cannot justify escalation of RL hurt.
But if we create an environment where we admire people for making other people cry, even though we think everyone sane knows where the limit is, problem is that there's a lot of people in EVE who cannot be described by "sane". If hurting other people is seen as a glorious thing, some nutcase will step over the line. It is not our fault (it is his fault, obviously), but still the culture we create affects the chances of it happening. I think we all, including and especially the goons, need to back off from the celebration of making other people hurt, and start treating that only as an inevitable consequence ("acceptable collateral" so to speak) of spaceships exploding. If you see the difference? I am not suggesting we make EVE so that no one ever gets upset over it - because if we do, it will stop being fun. We have to openly accept that. But that's where it should, in my opinion, stop.
But to stress this again: only the person who made the threat is guilty of making it. He cannot justify it by blaming the culture or whatever. He's out of this discussion and he should stay there; by that action he has completely forfeited his right to say anything about this at all. He's not part of this community anymore, while both the tear-harvest-celebrating goons and us who oppose that are. We can have a discussion about this. He can **** off. |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
116
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:04:00 -
[4753] - Quote
Which he was trying to justify that Mittani deserves the threat against his wife because he leads the alliance which have done many bad INGAME stuff to pubbies.
Its a computer game basement dwellers. His wife deserves nothing but a more masculine husband Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
321
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:05:00 -
[4754] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:But to stress this again: only the person who made the threat is guilty of making it. He cannot justify it by blaming the culture or whatever. He's out of this discussion and he should stay there; by that action he has completely forfeited his right to say anything about this at all. He's not part of this community anymore, while both the tear-harvest-celebrating goons and us who oppose that are. We can have a discussion about this. He can **** off. RL threats should = no mercy.
I haven't kept up with this thread (who could?).
Anyone who threatens anyones family irl over this (or over this game) needs help.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Zoo Ologist
United Evian Peace Corp
2
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:18:00 -
[4755] - Quote
Daylen Drazzi wrote:Zoo Ologist, your violation of the Eve Online Terms of Service requires that I petition for your account to be banned. I expect CCP to take firm measures to protect The Mittani's personal information and make examples of every individual who violates the Terms of Service, regardless of intent.
"19. You may not communicate, post or publicize any subscriberGÇÖs personal information within the EVE Online game world or website."
Given that the person/character in question posted the same information in this thread's initial post I am sure CCP would love you to waste their time with a redundant petition. Or was that just a worse than average attempt at trolling? |
Aylleen
Die Hard Carebears
32
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:22:00 -
[4756] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:You know where on the political spectrum that goons fall on? A great majority of them are on the left side of the spectrum left-of-center. These aren't amoral people like you claim them to be.
I bet these darn commies have the same morals as Lenin, Trotsky, St+ílin, Mao, Pol Pot. All of them mass murderers.
Trying to demonstrate your righteousness by claiming to be a leftist is not the way to go.
But I guess that the apple doesn't fall far from the appletree.... |
Sophia Bomba
Tr0pa de elite. G00DFELLAS
0
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:32:00 -
[4757] - Quote
Hopefully next year the CSM will be able to hold their alcohol and not make the panel look like a complete joke. |
MoyO zOlotse
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:38:00 -
[4758] - Quote
Smittens with himself is a real loser piece of work for bringing his real life wife into it.
What kind of man subjects his family to this community? This is just one big goon laugh.
These people are mentally sick and its a disservice to call them people. Now they are urging the non-apoligizing smug one to get a gun and go kill people?
Do you low life human garbage goons know no bounds?
Lets be honest everybody. This is all a game to the goons. None of it is real. Stage acting. Manufactered drama for internet lulz and bring the focus off of their stupidity.
Smuttens is so obsessed with the game hes energizing his troops as we speak. I dont know what much a bunch of rock head window lickers can do, but apparently they can do bad stuff in Jita.
To smittens withself and crew, just own up to your mistakes. You messed up. Not the guy you brought the hammer down on. Just shut up, sit down, and take your medicine like a good little boy.
You are just a terrible person for bring real life into this. But isnt that what being a goon is all about? Lieing, cheating, stealing, manipulating, laughing at the misery of others. Sounds like you are jealous goon who is jelly without his little toast. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
171
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:43:00 -
[4759] - Quote
Quote:Smittens with himself is a real loser piece of work for bringing his real life wife into it. What kind of man subjects his family to this community? What?!
FYI, I am someone's wife. So are a bunch of other players. To your real shock, there probably are someone's unmarried daughters in the game too.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:46:00 -
[4760] - Quote
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:But to stress this again: only the person who made the threat is guilty of making it. He cannot justify it by blaming the culture or whatever. He's out of this discussion and he should stay there; by that action he has completely forfeited his right to say anything about this at all. He's not part of this community anymore, while both the tear-harvest-celebrating goons and us who oppose that are. We can have a discussion about this. He can **** off. RL threats should = no mercy. I haven't kept up with this thread (who could?). Anyone who threatens anyones family irl over this (or over this game) needs help.
Or tries to get someone to commit suicide IRL
Hey I got a question, if he HAD done it, would Mittens have gotten a sixty day and get to brag he got his first IRL pod?
Cause thats the attitude I smell wafting off the bees.
Got another question, is he permabanned from the CSM or will he just be landslide voted into CSM8? "If the unfaithful would rage-quit, let them do so. And let not the gates of New Eden strike them 'pon the ass ere they leave." Quoth the Hillmar |
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Daylen Drazzi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:00:00 -
[4761] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Got another question, is he permabanned from the CSM or will he just be landslide voted into CSM8?
We don't really have any plans at present for the next CSM, but rumor is that instead of having one person win in a landslide, we're going to run enough people to give us 3 or 4 representatives on CSM8 - at that point we pretty much control the CSM and the Chairman's spot when our allies get their representatives voted in as well. There are a ton of vote-buying schemes in the works, and if that doesn't pan out there's always pure intimidation and destruction - these seem to be the most popular ideas floated so far. |
Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:28:00 -
[4762] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote: Based on what? You were trying to justify the threat because you say Mittani deserved it when he slipped up and made a mistake which he paid clearly for.
The Wis is still protected by his anonymity. The Mittani is not and now he's being encouraged by all of GoonSwarm to buy a gun to defend his life and own family.
Poor little Mittani slipped up once and made a mistake. He's been doing this **** for years, encouraging you faggots to harass people about their personal life religiously. If he's going to lead a bunch of thugs, than he better get a gun and protect himself, because there are bigger thugs than you nerds out there, that do not take **** when insulted, in game or out.
And you think that Wiz is protected? I will bet that next time his char is spotted in local, goons will harass him about his suicidal thoughts just like Mittani ordered you to do. Unless he quits the game or changes characters, this episode will follow him and goons will blame him for it forever, even though he is the one, true Innocent victim here.
Mittani has been making his bed for years, not he has to lay in it. Too fkn bad.
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Sirion Fujiwara
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:50:00 -
[4763] - Quote
Andramedae wrote:Biggest load of BS this side of Jita.
You knew exactly what you were saying and using the drunks defence just proves that you are not the person you say you are. Not withstanding the ra-ra crowds and your own utterences, Mr Alex Gianturco, you have shown by your actions exactly what sort of person you in fact are - one that is much, much closer to your on screen persona than you would like people to think.
I sincerely hope that someone in the jurisdiction where you live lodges a formal complain against you with the bar association. It's horrible to think that someone in your position actively pushes for the suicide of someone in a public forum, irrespective of the circumstances, your personal situation nor the context.
I so hope they burn you a new one.
+1
What he did was absolutely premeditated (it was in the slide show that had been sent to CCP!), so all his excuses are just a rather weasly and pathetic attempt to wriggle out of this mess that his over-inflated ego has landed him in. Can't believe that sociopath was allowed to become a lawyer.
Alex - quit EVE and never come back! Better for everyone - not least yourself. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1364
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:24:00 -
[4764] - Quote
Daylen Drazzi wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Got another question, is he permabanned from the CSM or will he just be landslide voted into CSM8? We don't really have any plans at present for the next CSM, but rumor is that instead of having one person win in a landslide, we're going to run enough people to give us 3 or 4 representatives on CSM8 - at that point we pretty much control the CSM and the Chairman's spot when our allies get their representatives voted in as well. There are a ton of vote-buying schemes in the works, and if that doesn't pan out there's always pure intimidation and destruction - these seem to be the most popular ideas floated so far. Care to elaborate on these vote-buying schemes? |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
86
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:53:00 -
[4765] - Quote
Sirion Fujiwara wrote:Andramedae wrote:Biggest load of BS this side of Jita.
You knew exactly what you were saying and using the drunks defence just proves that you are not the person you say you are. Not withstanding the ra-ra crowds and your own utterences, Mr Alex Gianturco, you have shown by your actions exactly what sort of person you in fact are - one that is much, much closer to your on screen persona than you would like people to think.
I sincerely hope that someone in the jurisdiction where you live lodges a formal complain against you with the bar association. It's horrible to think that someone in your position actively pushes for the suicide of someone in a public forum, irrespective of the circumstances, your personal situation nor the context.
I so hope they burn you a new one. +1 What he did was absolutely premeditated (it was in the slide show that had been sent to CCP!), so all his excuses are just a rather weasly and pathetic attempt to wriggle out of this mess that his over-inflated ego has landed him in. Can't believe that sociopath was allowed to become a lawyer. Alex - quit EVE and never come back! Better for everyone - not least yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE 1:02:00
When does Mittens mention his name? Oh that's right, during the "Q&A". Not once is the dude's character name stated before that.
So, ya, "CCP knew!" To that I say...WATCH THE ******* VIDEO. It was after the slide show that the name was revealed, NOT DURING.
//Edit
And for the untold number of times. He doesn't use the "i was drunk" excuse.
--But, I suppose it's more fun to smudge up the facts so it's more sensational. |
Sirion Fujiwara
Aliastra Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:01:00 -
[4766] - Quote
Dyner wrote:Sirion Fujiwara wrote:Andramedae wrote:Biggest load of BS this side of Jita.
You knew exactly what you were saying and using the drunks defence just proves that you are not the person you say you are. Not withstanding the ra-ra crowds and your own utterences, Mr Alex Gianturco, you have shown by your actions exactly what sort of person you in fact are - one that is much, much closer to your on screen persona than you would like people to think.
I sincerely hope that someone in the jurisdiction where you live lodges a formal complain against you with the bar association. It's horrible to think that someone in your position actively pushes for the suicide of someone in a public forum, irrespective of the circumstances, your personal situation nor the context.
I so hope they burn you a new one. +1 What he did was absolutely premeditated (it was in the slide show that had been sent to CCP!), so all his excuses are just a rather weasly and pathetic attempt to wriggle out of this mess that his over-inflated ego has landed him in. Can't believe that sociopath was allowed to become a lawyer. Alex - quit EVE and never come back! Better for everyone - not least yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE1:02:00 When does Mittens mention his name? Oh that's right, during the "Q&A". Not once is the dude's character name stated before that. So, ya, "CCP knew!" To that I say...WATCH THE ******* VIDEO. It was after the slide show that the name was revealed, NOT DURING. //Edit And for the untold number of times. He doesn't use the "i was drunk" excuse.
--But, I suppose it's more fun to smudge up the facts so it's more sensational.
Dude, your nose is so brown it is embarrassing Look at the image he posted on his blog. 'nuf said... Here!
He is obviously (and rather pathetically) trying to use his little causality chain to imply that "it was alchohol's fault". What a joke this guy is! |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
86
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:26:00 -
[4767] - Quote
Sirion Fujiwara wrote:Dude, your nose is so brown it is embarrassing Look at the image he posted on his blog. 'nuf said... Here!He is obviously (and rather pathetically) trying to use his little causality chain to imply that "it was alchohol's fault". What a joke this guy is!
Oh, I see, because someone other than Mittens posts that Mittens breached the EULA due to alcohol, it's automatically Mitten's claiming booze made him do it.
GöîGöÇGöÉ Gö¦GöÇGö¦ a¦á_a¦¦a¦â*huff huff* Hmmm, Quite *huff huff* |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:00:00 -
[4768] - Quote
Daylen Drazzi wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Got another question, is he permabanned from the CSM or will he just be landslide voted into CSM8? We don't really have any plans at present for the next CSM, but rumor is that instead of having one person win in a landslide, we're going to run enough people to give us 3 or 4 representatives on CSM8 - at that point we pretty much control the CSM and the Chairman's spot when our allies get their representatives voted in as well. There are a ton of vote-buying schemes in the works, and if that doesn't pan out there's always pure intimidation and destruction - these seem to be the most popular ideas floated so far.
Hell in thaqt case run every chair. Its not like you guys dont have enough total votes to own the whole thing. And its not like CCP listens to the whiners about stuff like that, though the forum tears from a full Goon CSM would be amazing
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
119
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:03:00 -
[4769] - Quote
Dyner wrote:Sirion Fujiwara wrote:Dude, your nose is so brown it is embarrassing Look at the image he posted on his blog. 'nuf said... Here!He is obviously (and rather pathetically) trying to use his little causality chain to imply that "it was alchohol's fault". What a joke this guy is! Oh, I see, because someone other than Mittens posts that Mittens breached the EULA due to alcohol, it's automatically Mitten's claiming booze made him do it. GöîGöÇGöÉ Gö¦GöÇGö¦ a¦á_a¦¦a¦â*huff huff* Hmmm, Quite *huff huff*
https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani/status/184412807037599746
strange that he never used alcohol as an excuse "Nullsec alliances will now begin counting reporters on staff along with supercapitals and tech moons. Unironically." - The Mittani |
Prince Kobol
469
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:10:00 -
[4770] - Quote
Jesus can people let this thread die...
Please CCP Lock this thread, its making me suicidal.... |
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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
645
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:11:00 -
[4771] - Quote
Complain about threats because people know his in real name.
Proceed to shout out someones in real life name all over a podcast many listen too to bully him into recanting his articles. After he says he understands its dangerous.
More cyber bullying by mittens.
I mean WOW.
And no one on eve radio said "you cant do that doood or we will end the interview" they went along with his half assed justification for it in their softball interview.
No respect for the eve radio guys at all. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Marcus Shamonomonom
University of Caille Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:11:00 -
[4772] - Quote
Is this still a thing? Oh look, a copy of NC's forums: http://dumps.eve-leaks.co.uk/nc-dot.com/forum.html |
Sirion Fujiwara
Aliastra Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:34:00 -
[4773] - Quote
Dyner wrote:Sirion Fujiwara wrote:Dude, your nose is so brown it is embarrassing Look at the image he posted on his blog. 'nuf said... Here!He is obviously (and rather pathetically) trying to use his little causality chain to imply that "it was alchohol's fault". What a joke this guy is! Oh, I see, because someone other than Mittens posts that Mittens breached the EULA due to alcohol, it's automatically Mitten's claiming booze made him do it. GöîGöÇGöÉ Gö¦GöÇGö¦ a¦á_a¦¦a¦â*huff huff* Hmmm, Quite *huff huff*
Read the ******* banner you dim wit! Lolz! |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:43:00 -
[4774] - Quote
Dyner wrote:Sirion Fujiwara wrote:Dude, your nose is so brown it is embarrassing Look at the image he posted on his blog. 'nuf said... Here!He is obviously (and rather pathetically) trying to use his little causality chain to imply that "it was alchohol's fault". What a joke this guy is! Oh, I see, because someone other than Mittens posts that Mittens breached the EULA due to alcohol, it's automatically Mitten's claiming booze made him do it. GöîGöÇGöÉ Gö¦GöÇGö¦ a¦á_a¦¦a¦â*huff huff* Hmmm, Quite *huff huff*
are you one of those guys that qqs ppl should listen to the interview? Cause I did and you could play a drinking game for the number of times he says he was drunk or it was a drunk ******* thing https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
654
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:01:00 -
[4775] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Dyner wrote:Sirion Fujiwara wrote:Dude, your nose is so brown it is embarrassing Look at the image he posted on his blog. 'nuf said... Here!He is obviously (and rather pathetically) trying to use his little causality chain to imply that "it was alchohol's fault". What a joke this guy is! Oh, I see, because someone other than Mittens posts that Mittens breached the EULA due to alcohol, it's automatically Mitten's claiming booze made him do it. GöîGöÇGöÉ Gö¦GöÇGö¦ a¦á_a¦¦a¦â*huff huff* Hmmm, Quite *huff huff* are you one of those guys that qqs ppl should listen to the interview? Cause I did and you could play a drinking game for the number of times he says he was drunk or it was a drunk ******* thing
Lets not forget two wrongs make a right so he blabs someones IRL name all over the show after saying how bad he has it cause his IRL name is out there.
Does that not strike your as pretty freaking messed up?
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Dyner
Midgard Protectorate
87
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:02:00 -
[4776] - Quote
/shrugs
This thread is now about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bmhjf0rKe8 |
Gomer Eto
Oneway Travels
0
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:04:00 -
[4777] - Quote
Oh don't stop now... I need more tasty goon tears! Karma is funny thing... |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
103
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:13:00 -
[4778] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Dyner wrote:Sirion Fujiwara wrote:Dude, your nose is so brown it is embarrassing Look at the image he posted on his blog. 'nuf said... Here!He is obviously (and rather pathetically) trying to use his little causality chain to imply that "it was alchohol's fault". What a joke this guy is! Oh, I see, because someone other than Mittens posts that Mittens breached the EULA due to alcohol, it's automatically Mitten's claiming booze made him do it. GöîGöÇGöÉ Gö¦GöÇGö¦ a¦á_a¦¦a¦â*huff huff* Hmmm, Quite *huff huff* are you one of those guys that qqs ppl should listen to the interview? Cause I did and you could play a drinking game for the number of times he says he was drunk or it was a drunk ******* thing Lets not forget two wrongs make a right so he blabs someones IRL name all over the show after saying how bad he has it cause his IRL name is out there. Does that not strike your as pretty freaking messed up?
He just locked himself out of possible lawsuit. I mean imagine you are a judge and Mittns starts... Your honor my name is being dragged left and right and all of that because I was drunk! Then people use my rl name on the interwez (so do I FYI judge) and that is wrong!
You should jail them all so I can continue doing what I condemn in others!
For a moment i thought he is smart but at that point I just went /facepalm |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
657
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:18:00 -
[4779] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Dyner wrote:Sirion Fujiwara wrote:Dude, your nose is so brown it is embarrassing Look at the image he posted on his blog. 'nuf said... Here!He is obviously (and rather pathetically) trying to use his little causality chain to imply that "it was alchohol's fault". What a joke this guy is! Oh, I see, because someone other than Mittens posts that Mittens breached the EULA due to alcohol, it's automatically Mitten's claiming booze made him do it. GöîGöÇGöÉ Gö¦GöÇGö¦ a¦á_a¦¦a¦â*huff huff* Hmmm, Quite *huff huff* are you one of those guys that qqs ppl should listen to the interview? Cause I did and you could play a drinking game for the number of times he says he was drunk or it was a drunk ******* thing Lets not forget two wrongs make a right so he blabs someones IRL name all over the show after saying how bad he has it cause his IRL name is out there. Does that not strike your as pretty freaking messed up? He just locked himself out of possible lawsuit. I mean imagine you are a judge and Mittns starts... Your honor my name is being dragged left and right and all of that because I was drunk! Then people use my rl name on the interwez (so do I FYI judge) and that is wrong! You should jail them all so I can continue doing what I condemn in others! For a moment i thought he is smart but at that point I just went /facepalm
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:25:00 -
[4780] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.
If you ask me... He lost it. He got a bit too much of his own medicine. Silence is a virtue and every time he speaks he does nothing but damage at this point.
As a EVE player I say karma is a *****. As a person, hope you get out of this crap unharmed and learn to be a man.
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:29:00 -
[4781] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.
Stop f-ïcking posting. Goddamn are you bitter. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
657
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:32:00 -
[4782] - Quote
Taihbea wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.
If you ask me... He lost it. He got a bit too much of his own medicine. Silence is a virtue and every time he speaks he does nothing but damage at this point. As a EVE player I say karma is a *****. As a person, hope you get out of this crap unharmed and learn to be a man.
Thats what gets me. This was a moment when he needed to take off all the hats and just be Alex the man. Be humble as a man and shut up and wait out the 30 days and come back and be the mittani in game.
But he just could not give it up. He was more worried about losing face to the hordes that follow him he is going off the deep end.
All the My people stuff was actually kinda worrisome. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:34:00 -
[4783] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Taihbea wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.
If you ask me... He lost it. He got a bit too much of his own medicine. Silence is a virtue and every time he speaks he does nothing but damage at this point. As a EVE player I say karma is a *****. As a person, hope you get out of this crap unharmed and learn to be a man. Thats what gets me. This was a moment when he needed to take off all the hats and just be Alex the man. But he just could not give it up. All the My people stuff was actually kinda worrisome.
"my people" is actually scary as it seems like game/rl has no difference to him even tho he uses game/role playing as main argument.
If I were him I would go quiet for quite a while. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:36:00 -
[4784] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Taihbea wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.
If you ask me... He lost it. He got a bit too much of his own medicine. Silence is a virtue and every time he speaks he does nothing but damage at this point. As a EVE player I say karma is a *****. As a person, hope you get out of this crap unharmed and learn to be a man. Thats what gets me. This was a moment when he needed to take off all the hats and just be Alex the man. Be humble as a man and shut up and wait out the 30 days and come back and be the mittani in game. But he just could not give it up. He was more worried about losing face to the hordes that follow him he is going off the deep end. All the My people stuff was actually kinda worrisome.
That's funny, because he has been humble (you know, because he has admitted he screwed up, over and over again) , and the only hat he has put on is 'the gaming media has misquoted most of what I said'. Which, incidently, has screwed CCP over a great deal more.
Your E-lawyer posting has probably done far worse. Also, I note you aren't Autocannons Anonymous anymore :v |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
657
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:39:00 -
[4785] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Taihbea wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.
If you ask me... He lost it. He got a bit too much of his own medicine. Silence is a virtue and every time he speaks he does nothing but damage at this point. As a EVE player I say karma is a *****. As a person, hope you get out of this crap unharmed and learn to be a man. Thats what gets me. This was a moment when he needed to take off all the hats and just be Alex the man. Be humble as a man and shut up and wait out the 30 days and come back and be the mittani in game. But he just could not give it up. He was more worried about losing face to the hordes that follow him he is going off the deep end. All the My people stuff was actually kinda worrisome. That's funny, because he has been humble (you know, because he has admitted he screwed up, over and over again) , and the only hat he has put on is 'the gaming media has misquoted most of what I said'. Which, incidently, has screwed CCP over a great deal more. Your E-lawyer posting has probably done far worse. Also, I note you aren't Autocannons Anonymous anymore :v
Yeah cause that Its all CCPs fault and then its all the medias fault crap he threw out there and his lashing out at everyone is showing humility.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 19:43:00 -
[4786] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Taihbea wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.
If you ask me... He lost it. He got a bit too much of his own medicine. Silence is a virtue and every time he speaks he does nothing but damage at this point. As a EVE player I say karma is a *****. As a person, hope you get out of this crap unharmed and learn to be a man. Thats what gets me. This was a moment when he needed to take off all the hats and just be Alex the man. Be humble as a man and shut up and wait out the 30 days and come back and be the mittani in game. But he just could not give it up. He was more worried about losing face to the hordes that follow him he is going off the deep end. All the My people stuff was actually kinda worrisome. That's funny, because he has been humble (you know, because he has admitted he screwed up, over and over again) , and the only hat he has put on is 'the gaming media has misquoted most of what I said'. Which, incidently, has screwed CCP over a great deal more. Your E-lawyer posting has probably done far worse. Also, I note you aren't Autocannons Anonymous anymore :v Yeah cause that Its all CCPs fault and then its all the medias fault crap he threw out there and his lashing out at everyone is showing humility.
No, it isn't, (referring to it being CCP's fault because I feel dealing with this person I have to clarify everything.) and I will not deny that. But it has been dragged out much, much more than it should. Anyone, anyone who has had his real name dragged out would fight likewise.
I am not condoning the events that have made this happen, but i will condemn those that wish to make a media circus out of it above and beyond, only because it hurts CCP and the game we all play. |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
657
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 19:52:00 -
[4787] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
No, it isn't, (referring to it being CCP's fault because I feel dealing with this person I have to clarify everything.) and I will not deny that. But it has been dragged out much, much more than it should. Anyone, anyone who has had his real name dragged out would fight likewise.
I am not condoning the events that have made this happen, but i will condemn those that wish to make a media circus out of it above and beyond, only because it hurts CCP and the game we all play.
There would have been no major media circus if not for his ~deal with it~ then trying to cling to his CSM seat like a desperate dictator, followed by his twitter rantings and silly state of the goonian rant where he tries to balm everyone else and form hate, and eve Radio softball bullcrap he pulled and is trying to form hate against writers of blogs.
A real man would have said, I went to far i apologize, shut up about it all together. Accepted all punishment. Told his guys to let it go dont make it worse. Asked for some retractions on the fact IN PRIVATE and moved on with it.
Him and his followers are the ones that are making it a thing day in and out.
Its sick and he has only himself and his swarm to thank for it going so far out of control now. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 19:57:00 -
[4788] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:
No, it isn't, (referring to it being CCP's fault because I feel dealing with this person I have to clarify everything.) and I will not deny that. But it has been dragged out much, much more than it should. Anyone, anyone who has had his real name dragged out would fight likewise.
I am not condoning the events that have made this happen, but i will condemn those that wish to make a media circus out of it above and beyond, only because it hurts CCP and the game we all play.
There would have been no major media circus if not for his ~deal with it~ then trying to cling to his CSM seat like a desperate dictator, followed by his twitter rantings and silly state of the goonian rant where he tries to balm everyone else and form hate, and eve Radio softball bullcrap he pulled and is trying to form hate against writers of blogs. A real man would have said, I went to far i apologize, shut up about it all together. Accepted all punishment. Told his guys to let it go dont make it worse. Asked for some retractions on the fact IN PRIVATE and moved on with it. Him and his followers are the ones that are making it a thing day in and out. Its sick and he has only himself and his swarm to thank for it going so far out of control now.
I can only assume that you've never been in a situation like this before, but heyo, for the best part neither have I.
And, well, he doesn't own us; my feeling on all this have been made well aware in this thread.
It went out of control to the degree in part because of a media circus.
Heh, would like to carry this on with you personally in private. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
72
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 20:05:00 -
[4789] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.
Its funny though, whats called cyberbullying everywhere else is called EVE to us
this thread is far more interesting if you hide post anyone with a Goon tag lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
304
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 20:20:00 -
[4790] - Quote
Screw D3
<3 Mittens Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62797 The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/ Now showing: The incursion situation |
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T0R1 BL4CK
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.03.31 20:26:00 -
[4791] - Quote
Grant Wyberious wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:I absolutely do not condone real-life threats - I do not even condone bashing an individual player in order to make them feel like ****, even when they deserve it. .... Which he was trying to justify that Mittani deserves the threat against his wife because he leads the alliance which have done many bad INGAME stuff to pubbies.
god, are u thick. we are not talking about mittani being a **** ingame. he took the ingame crap to a fanfest and into real life. big mistake. another guy took that even a step further. also a big mistake. but this is the kind of **** you get when u start winding up the spiral.
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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
660
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 20:34:00 -
[4792] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:
No, it isn't, (referring to it being CCP's fault because I feel dealing with this person I have to clarify everything.) and I will not deny that. But it has been dragged out much, much more than it should. Anyone, anyone who has had his real name dragged out would fight likewise.
I am not condoning the events that have made this happen, but i will condemn those that wish to make a media circus out of it above and beyond, only because it hurts CCP and the game we all play.
There would have been no major media circus if not for his ~deal with it~ then trying to cling to his CSM seat like a desperate dictator, followed by his twitter rantings and silly state of the goonian rant where he tries to balm everyone else and form hate, and eve Radio softball bullcrap he pulled and is trying to form hate against writers of blogs. A real man would have said, I went to far i apologize, shut up about it all together. Accepted all punishment. Told his guys to let it go dont make it worse. Asked for some retractions on the fact IN PRIVATE and moved on with it. Him and his followers are the ones that are making it a thing day in and out. Its sick and he has only himself and his swarm to thank for it going so far out of control now. I can only assume that you've never been in a situation like this before, but heyo, for the best part neither have I. And, well, he doesn't own us; my feeling on all this have been made well aware in this thread. It went out of control to the degree in part because of a media circus. Heh, would like to carry this on with you personally in private.
No my close cousin only hung himself due to harassment. Never claimed i was not biased about this from the start FYI. But I try to make sure the logic of my points stands up under scrutiny because of my bias. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
663
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 20:36:00 -
[4793] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.
Its funny though, whats called cyberbullying everywhere else is called EVE to us this thread is far more interesting if you hide post anyone with a Goon tag lol
Problem is Mittani is doing out of game stuff to get people to harass someone. AGAIN. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 20:41:00 -
[4794] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:
No, it isn't, (referring to it being CCP's fault because I feel dealing with this person I have to clarify everything.) and I will not deny that. But it has been dragged out much, much more than it should. Anyone, anyone who has had his real name dragged out would fight likewise.
I am not condoning the events that have made this happen, but i will condemn those that wish to make a media circus out of it above and beyond, only because it hurts CCP and the game we all play.
There would have been no major media circus if not for his ~deal with it~ then trying to cling to his CSM seat like a desperate dictator, followed by his twitter rantings and silly state of the goonian rant where he tries to balm everyone else and form hate, and eve Radio softball bullcrap he pulled and is trying to form hate against writers of blogs. A real man would have said, I went to far i apologize, shut up about it all together. Accepted all punishment. Told his guys to let it go dont make it worse. Asked for some retractions on the fact IN PRIVATE and moved on with it. Him and his followers are the ones that are making it a thing day in and out. Its sick and he has only himself and his swarm to thank for it going so far out of control now. I can only assume that you've never been in a situation like this before, but heyo, for the best part neither have I. And, well, he doesn't own us; my feeling on all this have been made well aware in this thread. It went out of control to the degree in part because of a media circus. Heh, would like to carry this on with you personally in private. No my close cousin only hung himself due to harassment. Never claimed i was not biased about this from the start FYI. But I try to make sure the logic of my points stands up under scrutiny because of my bias.
I'm genuinely sorry for your loss then. I really hope you, and your family will be ok. I know damn well how much this can hurt those you love.
But as for the logic; welp, if I'm honest, you seem to be witch-hunting.
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RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
663
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 20:45:00 -
[4795] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:
No, it isn't, (referring to it being CCP's fault because I feel dealing with this person I have to clarify everything.) and I will not deny that. But it has been dragged out much, much more than it should. Anyone, anyone who has had his real name dragged out would fight likewise.
I am not condoning the events that have made this happen, but i will condemn those that wish to make a media circus out of it above and beyond, only because it hurts CCP and the game we all play.
There would have been no major media circus if not for his ~deal with it~ then trying to cling to his CSM seat like a desperate dictator, followed by his twitter rantings and silly state of the goonian rant where he tries to balm everyone else and form hate, and eve Radio softball bullcrap he pulled and is trying to form hate against writers of blogs. A real man would have said, I went to far i apologize, shut up about it all together. Accepted all punishment. Told his guys to let it go dont make it worse. Asked for some retractions on the fact IN PRIVATE and moved on with it. Him and his followers are the ones that are making it a thing day in and out. Its sick and he has only himself and his swarm to thank for it going so far out of control now. I can only assume that you've never been in a situation like this before, but heyo, for the best part neither have I. And, well, he doesn't own us; my feeling on all this have been made well aware in this thread. It went out of control to the degree in part because of a media circus. Heh, would like to carry this on with you personally in private. No my close cousin only hung himself due to harassment. Never claimed i was not biased about this from the start FYI. But I try to make sure the logic of my points stands up under scrutiny because of my bias. I'm genuinely sorry for your loss then. I really hope you, and your family will be ok. I know damn well how much this can hurt those you love. But as for the logic; welp, if I'm honest, you seem to be witch-hunting.
Failure of the logic is that a witch hunt implies a person is innocent of the crimes or charges being leveled against them. As it is become understood since the Red Scare incidents. Which does not apply to Alex in this case. He is on tape, the on eve radio doing some real bullying this time while not drunk.
Originally people just wanted him to step down from the CSM. It went wacky cause he tried to backroom deal staying on it. Showing he didnt really understand the gravity of the situation and why people were upset.
Even more his recent actions and interviews show he is still way out of touch with why people are upset with him. And he has made them more upset with them with each charlie sheen moment he is having. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 20:55:00 -
[4796] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
There would have been no major media circus if not for his ~deal with it~ then trying to cling to his CSM seat like a desperate dictator, followed by his twitter rantings and silly state of the goonian rant where he tries to balm everyone else and form hate, and eve Radio softball bullcrap he pulled and is trying to form hate against writers of blogs.
A real man would have said, I went to far i apologize, shut up about it all together. Accepted all punishment. Told his guys to let it go dont make it worse. Asked for some retractions on the fact IN PRIVATE and moved on with it.
Him and his followers are the ones that are making it a thing day in and out.
Its sick and he has only himself and his swarm to thank for it going so far out of control now.
I can only assume that you've never been in a situation like this before, but heyo, for the best part neither have I. And, well, he doesn't own us; my feeling on all this have been made well aware in this thread. It went out of control to the degree in part because of a media circus. Heh, would like to carry this on with you personally in private. No my close cousin only hung himself due to harassment. Never claimed i was not biased about this from the start FYI. But I try to make sure the logic of my points stands up under scrutiny because of my bias. I'm genuinely sorry for your loss then. I really hope you, and your family will be ok. I know damn well how much this can hurt those you love. But as for the logic; welp, if I'm honest, you seem to be witch-hunting. Failure of the logic is that a witch hunt implies a person is innocent of the crimes or charges being leveled against them. As it is become understood since the Red Scare incidents. Which does not apply to Alex in this case. He is on tape, the on eve radio doing some real bullying this time while not drunk. Originally people just wanted him to step down from the CSM. It went wacky cause he tried to backroom deal staying on it. Showing he didnt really understand the gravity of the situation and why people were upset. Even more his recent actions and interviews show he is still way out of touch with why people are upset with him. And he has made them more upset with them with each charlie sheen moment he is having.
He's never said he was innocent; he messed up. And he did say that he was intending to resign as soon as he apologised? The witch-hunt angle is the whole internet-lawyer and more, And, well, if you're at all media savvy, you know that things can bandwagon!
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Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 21:16:00 -
[4797] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote: Failure of the logic is that a witch hunt implies a person is innocent of the crimes or charges being leveled against them. As it is become understood since the Red Scare incidents. Which does not apply to Alex in this case. He is on tape, the on eve radio doing some real bullying this time while not drunk.
Originally people just wanted him to step down from the CSM. It went wacky cause he tried to backroom deal staying on it. Showing he didnt really understand the gravity of the situation and why people were upset.
Even more his recent actions and interviews show he is still way out of touch with why people are upset with him. And he has made them more upset with them with each charlie sheen moment he is having.
in other words this is a witch hunt |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1367
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:16:00 -
[4798] - Quote
This is not a flame or troll. This is just common sense
Mittani people need to just back off, stop posting and let the flames of this whole situation die down
If you're trying to prove Mittani is innocent and didn't do anything wrong, then you need to read the original post again. For every reply posted in support of Mittani, another 3 or 4 replies are posted condemning him. That's a battle you cannot win here in these forums and all you're doing is fanning the flames
Just consider it a tactical retreat from a lost battle.
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Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:19:00 -
[4799] - Quote
CCP it is time for you to lock this up. This has been been beaten to death and there isn't even a corpse anymore and you are hitting the ground. |
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
118
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:19:00 -
[4800] - Quote
Berke Negri wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Failure of the logic is that a witch hunt implies a person is innocent of the crimes or charges being leveled against them. As it is become understood since the Red Scare incidents. Which does not apply to Alex in this case. He is on tape, the on eve radio doing some real bullying this time while not drunk.
Originally people just wanted him to step down from the CSM. It went wacky cause he tried to backroom deal staying on it. Showing he didnt really understand the gravity of the situation and why people were upset.
Even more his recent actions and interviews show he is still way out of touch with why people are upset with him. And he has made them more upset with them with each charlie sheen moment he is having.
in other words this is a witch hunt are you saying that Mittardi is actually a female. I always thought the same thing.
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:21:00 -
[4801] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:CCP it is time for you to lock this up. This has been been beaten to death and there isn't even a corpse anymore and you are hitting the ground.
*smack* *smack* I just *smack* love *smack smack* beating this *smack* dead *smack* horse! |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
664
|
Posted - 2012.03.31 21:24:00 -
[4802] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
He's never said he was innocent; he messed up. And he did say that he was intending to resign as soon as he apologised? The witch-hunt angle is the whole internet-lawyer and more, And, well, if you're at all media savvy, you know that things can bandwagon!
No you are trying to get the concept of him being some innocent victim of a witch hunt. When in fact most peoples negative feelings are in reaction to things he does. The first few post after his apology in this thread including mine were not as negetive as they later became cause he gave the impression that he meant it and was going to step down from the CSM.
Then he tried to weasle out of it. And then goons flooded the threads with tolling and illogical garbage. Thats when the people wanting a ban started. Cause it made everyone feel he was just apologizing to get away with it. Then the rambling state of the goonion where he started waggging his finger at others was when everyone really was done with his crap.
But low and behold he pulled the eve radio stunt where he complaines about harassemnt IRL and then starts talking about inciting his goons against people cause they hurt his feelings in a blog.
NO it is not a WITCH HUNT since everyone is reacting to what he is doing. We are not actually seeking him out. Its all his and the goons own doing.
The witch hunt narrative you are trying to push is Dead on arrival.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Memrox
Memrox Corp
30
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:24:00 -
[4803] - Quote
Stop replying to this thread, let it die out. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:32:00 -
[4804] - Quote
like wow |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:32:00 -
[4805] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.
Its funny though, whats called cyberbullying everywhere else is called EVE to us this thread is far more interesting if you hide post anyone with a Goon tag lol Problem is Mittani is doing out of game stuff to get people to harass someone. AGAIN.
I was posting in support of you and pointing out the irony that ONLY in the culture of EVE would this be acceptable to anyone
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
665
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:32:00 -
[4806] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Wow just wow this thread is now about AI programming.
And how mittani keeps making it worse then it ever needed to be. As are his follower, HIS PEOPLE, as he calls them.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
665
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:33:00 -
[4807] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:RougeOperator wrote:
Yeah he says he wants to start a PR blitz to prove he is not a cyber bully, by cyber bullying people?
Im not sure if this is genius or madness now.
Its funny though, whats called cyberbullying everywhere else is called EVE to us this thread is far more interesting if you hide post anyone with a Goon tag lol Problem is Mittani is doing out of game stuff to get people to harass someone. AGAIN. I was posting in support of you and pointing out the irony that ONLY in the culture of EVE would this be acceptable to anyone
I mis read it then. My bad. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:34:00 -
[4808] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Wow just wow this thread is now about AI programming.
And how mittani keeps making it worse then it ever needed to be. As are his follower, HIS PEOPLE, as he calls them.
Eh, still think he screwed up. Lets talk about AI for a Civ-style space game because I do not know what the hell to do beyond a kind of targeting-priority ruleset on a tactical level oh god |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1370
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:41:00 -
[4809] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Wow just wow this thread is now about AI programming.
And how mittani keeps making it worse then it ever needed to be. As are his follower, HIS PEOPLE, as he calls them. Eh, still think he screwed up. Lets talk about AI for a Civ-style space game because I do not know what the hell to do beyond a kind of targeting-priority ruleset on a tactical level oh god Just go away, you and all of Mittani's Minions can not win this battle. Each time you post, you fan the flames of wrath. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:44:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:RougeOperator wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:
Wow just wow this thread is now about AI programming.
And how mittani keeps making it worse then it ever needed to be. As are his follower, HIS PEOPLE, as he calls them. Eh, still think he screwed up. Lets talk about AI for a Civ-style space game because I do not know what the hell to do beyond a kind of targeting-priority ruleset on a tactical level oh god Just go away, you and all of Mittani's Minions can not win this battle. Each time you post, you fan the flames of wrath.
Not the flames of wrath?!?!
(Seriously AItalk would be nice)
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MoyO zOlotse
State War Academy Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.03.31 21:57:00 -
[4811] - Quote
GallowsCalibrator wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:CCP it is time for you to lock this up. This has been been beaten to death and there isn't even a corpse anymore and you are hitting the ground. *smack* *smack* I just *smack* love *smack smack* beating this *smack* dead *smack* horse!
It's funny watching all the babies flail about whining in their diapers. Only to move the conversation to the top of the page!
Irony thy name is goon. Look, you bunch of professional window lickers, you got out EVEd plain and simple. You lost. Mittani lost and is banned LOL. Losers always lose and winners always win.
Leave Brittani Alone!!! |
Agustice Arterius
Couch Athletics
8
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Posted - 2012.03.31 23:09:00 -
[4812] - Quote
Middle school called.
They want their spiked hair back. |
Ai Shun
541
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Posted - 2012.03.31 23:14:00 -
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MoyO zOlotse wrote:Irony thy name is goon. Look, you bunch of professional window lickers, you got out EVEd plain and simple. You lost. Mittani lost and is banned LOL. Losers always lose and winners always win.
Guess it is personal then and has been from the beginning. So sad what a vindictive bunch of tools some members of the EVE community has become. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.03.31 23:55:00 -
[4814] - Quote
MoyO zOlotse wrote: You lost. Mittani lost and is banned LOL.
eh, no its only 30 days...
unless its been changed for the better...
Ai Shun wrote:MoyO zOlotse wrote:Irony thy name is goon. Look, you bunch of professional window lickers, you got out EVEd plain and simple. You lost. Mittani lost and is banned LOL. Losers always lose and winners always win. Guess it is personal then and has been from the beginning. So sad what a vindictive bunch of tools some members of the EVE community has become.
funny, before this it was pretty much contained to one group and one guy.....
Guess who that was https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Talia Nachtigall
Avant-Garde Monastery G00DFELLAS
21
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:49:00 -
[4815] - Quote
@Mittani:
I voted for you this year and I can honestly say I regret doing so. I never followed the CSM nor their activities until the whole protest over NEX and the massive Jita Protests. I saw something in the game I didn't like and looked to the CSM to protect the game we all love. They succeeded and I decided to start paying close attention to the CSM activities. I was impressed by the whole CSM and even you Mittani and that is why I voted for you. I didn't agree with you on everything but I knew you loved the game and wanted what was best for the game. And for me... that was enough.
However what you have done is shameful. It hurts the Eve Online community, hurts the CSM credibility, and embarrassed all of us as a collective whole. Publicly posting the name of a capsuleer pilot who obviously suffered from depression and stated he had suicidal thoughts... encouraging the community of Eve Online to eve-mail said capsuleer and encourage him to follow through... shows not only a total lack of respect for other people but also a total lack of class and character.
You have resigned from the Chairman position. That is not enough. As one of the capsuleers who voted for you... I want your complete resignation from the CSM effective immediately. You have posted a public apology to the community and have also apologized to the capsuleer in private. This is a good thing and is a small step towards making it right. I call upon you to take further actions:
- Donate 3+ Billion ISK to the capsuleer in question. Post proof of this donation.
- Donate 5+ Billion ISK to the Ivy League alliance. They train new capsuleers how to play in Eve Online. It's fitting that you support one of the most important entities in New Eden considering the circumstances. Post proof of this donation.
You're currently subject to a 30 day ban. Personally that is not enough. Cyber-bullying is a real problem now-a-days and what you did was pure cyber-bullying. There is a difference between an in-game persona and real life. You took a game and made it into real life. I am deeply ashamed of you, Mittani. You've lost my respect over this and the CSM has lost some of my respect as well. I hope that the CSM can move beyond this and that a situation like this never happens again.
PS: To the capsuleer in question... if you're suffering from depression and/or suicidal thoughts then please seek some help. Don't let this incident get to you. And report ANY jerk who sends you an encouragement eve-mail.
Respectfully, Talia Nachtigall
Note: It's coming to my attention that you have already resigned from the CSM completely and if this is the case then good. Your forum name still shows CSM at this time and the last bit I read was that you had only resigned from the CSM Chairman position. Ignore this part if it does not apply. Don't pray for my soul. ;) |
IsTheOpOver
94
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:53:00 -
[4816] - Quote
Talia Nachtigall wrote:@Mittani: ... I want your complete resignation from the CSM effective immediately. You have posted a public apology to the community and have also apologized to the capsuleer in private. ... Donate 3+ Billion ISK to the capsuleer in question. Post proof of this donation. ... Respectfully, Talia Nachtigall
What is it like living under a rock? |
Talia Nachtigall
Avant-Garde Monastery G00DFELLAS
21
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:56:00 -
[4817] - Quote
IsTheOpOver wrote:Talia Nachtigall wrote:@Mittani: ... I want your complete resignation from the CSM effective immediately. You have posted a public apology to the community and have also apologized to the capsuleer in private. ... Donate 3+ Billion ISK to the capsuleer in question. Post proof of this donation. ... Respectfully, Talia Nachtigall What is it like living under a rock?
Post edited to reflect my current knowledge of the situation. I have yet to see proof of any actual donations. I'm just finding out all of this now. Don't pray for my soul. ;) |
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
673
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:00:00 -
[4818] - Quote
Talia Nachtigall wrote:@Mittani: I voted for you this year and I can honestly say I regret doing so. I never followed the CSM nor their activities until the whole protest over NEX and the massive Jita Protests. I saw something in the game I didn't like and looked to the CSM to protect the game we all love. They succeeded and I decided to start paying close attention to the CSM activities. I was impressed by the whole CSM and even you Mittani and that is why I voted for you. I didn't agree with you on everything but I knew you loved the game and wanted what was best for the game. And for me... that was enough. However what you have done is shameful. It hurts the Eve Online community, hurts the CSM credibility, and embarrassed all of us as a collective whole. Publicly posting the name of a capsuleer pilot who obviously suffered from depression and stated he had suicidal thoughts... encouraging the community of Eve Online to eve-mail said capsuleer and encourage him to follow through... shows not only a total lack of respect for other people but also a total lack of class and character. You have resigned from the Chairman position. That is not enough. As one of the capsuleers who voted for you... I want your complete resignation from the CSM effective immediately. You have posted a public apology to the community and have also apologized to the capsuleer in private. This is a good thing and is a small step towards making it right. I call upon you to take further actions:
- Donate 3+ Billion ISK to the capsuleer in question. Post proof of this donation.
- Donate 5+ Billion ISK to the Ivy League alliance. They train new capsuleers how to play in Eve Online. It's fitting that you support one of the most important entities in New Eden considering the circumstances. Post proof of this donation.
You're currently subject to a 30 day ban. Personally that is not enough. Cyber-bullying is a real problem now-a-days and what you did was pure cyber-bullying. There is a difference between an in-game persona and real life. You took a game and made it into real life. I am deeply ashamed of you, Mittani. You've lost my respect over this and the CSM has lost some of my respect as well. I hope that the CSM can move beyond this and that a situation like this never happens again. PS: To the capsuleer in question... if you're suffering from depression and/or suicidal thoughts then please seek some help. Don't let this incident get to you. And report ANY jerk who sends you an encouragement eve-mail. Respectfully, Talia NachtigallNote: It's coming to my attention that you have already resigned from the CSM completely and if this is the case then good. Your forum name still shows CSM at this time and the last bit I read was that you had only resigned from the CSM Chairman position. Ignore this part if it does not apply.
Talk about late to party........wow. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:15:00 -
[4819] - Quote
Talia Nachtigall wrote:IsTheOpOver wrote:Talia Nachtigall wrote:@Mittani: ... I want your complete resignation from the CSM effective immediately. You have posted a public apology to the community and have also apologized to the capsuleer in private. ... Donate 3+ Billion ISK to the capsuleer in question. Post proof of this donation. ... Respectfully, Talia Nachtigall What is it like living under a rock? Post edited to reflect my current knowledge of the situation. I have yet to see proof of any actual donations. I'm just finding out all of this now.
Depressing.
Even more for not reading the threadnought before posting a rant. Informated posting best posting. ~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Shaihal
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
0
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:34:00 -
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one month ban?
Grow some CCP and make it hurt so the player base can see there are consequences for their actions with relation to EVE. Don't you think this is just a little more serious than avoiding CONCORD after a gank?? 3 months at a minimum would've been more appropriate. As for the CSM I'm pretty sure he can't be a member ever due the fact he's been banned; good thing too. |
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Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:44:00 -
[4821] - Quote
Welsige wrote:Talia Nachtigall wrote:IsTheOpOver wrote:Talia Nachtigall wrote:@Mittani: ... I want your complete resignation from the CSM effective immediately. You have posted a public apology to the community and have also apologized to the capsuleer in private. ... Donate 3+ Billion ISK to the capsuleer in question. Post proof of this donation. ... Respectfully, Talia Nachtigall What is it like living under a rock? Post edited to reflect my current knowledge of the situation. I have yet to see proof of any actual donations. I'm just finding out all of this now. Depressing. Even more for not reading the threadnought before posting a rant. Informated posting best posting. i like the part where mittani has to donate five billion isk to e-uni for no reason |
Jita Alt666
980
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:00:00 -
[4822] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Just go away, you and all of Mittani's Minions can not win this battle. Each time you post, you fan the flames of wrath.
Those "flames of wrath" are exactly what they want, every response is a victory, every meme an achievement, every hint at anger, rage, frustration, agony, embarrassment, despair, expressed by anyone is the reason this thread is still growing.
Never stop poasting. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
129
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:10:00 -
[4823] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Just go away, you and all of Mittani's Minions can not win this battle. Each time you post, you fan the flames of wrath.
Those "flames of wrath" are exactly what they want, every response is a victory, every meme an achievement, every hint at anger, rage, frustration, agony, embarrassment, despair, expressed by anyone is the reason this thread is still growing. Never stop poasting. But we can't help it, every tear is so wonderful, every time they post we get to laugh. It is just too much fun. Until they get rid of Mittens they will be the funniest joke EvE has had in years. They can burn Jita that's for the Goons as a leadership function to show Mittens is still in control, really just another fun joke for us. They can ***** and moan about injustice it just makes us laugh till we can't stop.
All those making me laugh I thank you Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Spring Blue
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:24:00 -
[4824] - Quote
Amongst many here.. calling bull*** on that apology.
Every part of that apology can be thrown out the window by remembering that he is/was a lawyer, and that the slide in question was pre-prepared, it was not a drunk last minute addition, it was a purposeful vindictive act with the sole intention of getting a mass audience to laugh at some poor guys misfortune. He wasn't on the internet, he was at a conference with a clear goal before the first drink went past his lips. Suicide isn't a joking matter.
The only joke here is that he only got a 30 days ban, he should be looking at jail time. And the whole of Goons should have there entire network looked at by law enforcement to see how far out of game they take this sort of crap. |
Jita Alt666
980
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:36:00 -
[4825] - Quote
Spring Blue wrote:Amongst many here.. calling bull*** on that apology.
Every part of that apology can be thrown out the window by remembering that he is/was a lawyer, and that the slide in question was pre-prepared, it was not a drunk last minute addition, it was a purposeful vindictive act with the sole intention of getting a mass audience to laugh at some poor guys misfortune. He wasn't on the internet, he was at a conference with a clear goal before the first drink went past his lips. Suicide isn't a joking matter.
The only joke here is that he only got a 30 days ban, he should be looking at jail time. And the whole of Goons should have there entire network looked at by law enforcement to see how far out of game they take this sort of crap.
The slide was not a breach of the EULA and was scrutinised by CCP and allowed to proceed. The comments made in the impromptu Q and A session were in breach of the EULA and were judged by CCP.
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Ai Shun
545
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:19:00 -
[4826] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:But we can't help it, every tear is so wonderful, every time they post we get to laugh. It is just too much fun.
Now you see why the Goons have been enjoying playing with the rest of us for so long. They provide this type of entertainment once. The rest of EVE provides this day after day after day after day to them.
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
132
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:28:00 -
[4827] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Frying Doom wrote:But we can't help it, every tear is so wonderful, every time they post we get to laugh. It is just too much fun.
Now you see why the Goons have been enjoying playing with the rest of us for so long. They provide this type of entertainment once. The rest of EVE provides this day after day after day after day to them. Hell I am hoping The Mittani is a candidate for CSM8, oh the fun that will be. We will be able to recycle so many tears from the Goons and in the mean time, assuming they are not smart enough to get rid of Mittens we have the whole year to laugh at them. 2012/2013 will be the best 12 months yet.
Just remember "Jokeswarm is full of Goonsheep" Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:36:00 -
[4828] - Quote
IsTheOpOver wrote:Talia Nachtigall wrote:@Mittani: ... I want your complete resignation from the CSM effective immediately. You have posted a public apology to the community and have also apologized to the capsuleer in private. ... Donate 3+ Billion ISK to the capsuleer in question. Post proof of this donation. ... Respectfully, Talia Nachtigall What is it like living under a rock?
How about a resolution by CCP to never again allow him to have a CSM position Or a permaban, w/e
Shaihal wrote:one month ban?
Grow some CCP and make it hurt so the player base can see there are consequences for their actions with relation to EVE. Don't you think this is just a little more serious than avoiding CONCORD after a gank?? 3 months at a minimum would've been more appropriate. As for the CSM I'm pretty sure he can't be a member ever due the fact he's been banned; good thing too.
as much as Id love to see it they cant. The havoc and hell Goons would create in the game as well as the bad press and PR damage IM BETTING Mittens would create himself oytside the game would force them to go all Helicity Boson and unban him. 30 day is probably all they could get away with. How sad is it that you cant even enforce justice in a game you created lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
136
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:38:00 -
[4829] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote: How about a resolution by CCP to never again allow him to have a CSM position
Shouldn't really matter he has said that being on the CSM is incompatible with running Goonswarm or are you suggesting he is lying? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
140
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:40:00 -
[4830] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:IsTheOpOver wrote:Talia Nachtigall wrote:@Mittani: ... I want your complete resignation from the CSM effective immediately. You have posted a public apology to the community and have also apologized to the capsuleer in private. ... Donate 3+ Billion ISK to the capsuleer in question. Post proof of this donation. ... Respectfully, Talia Nachtigall What is it like living under a rock? How about a resolution by CCP to never again allow him to have a CSM position
The ban happened between CSMs, so technically he could run for CSM8 if he wanted to.
BTW: Don't think that having Mittani off CSM8 will save you. You may have actually made it worse. |
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:41:00 -
[4831] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Richard Aiel wrote: How about a resolution by CCP to never again allow him to have a CSM position
Shouldn't really matter he has said that being on the CSM is incompatible with running Goonswarm or are you suggesting he is lying?
MITTENS?? LYING?? PERISH the thought of impugning his honor is such a manner
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:42:00 -
[4832] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:IsTheOpOver wrote:Talia Nachtigall wrote:@Mittani: ... I want your complete resignation from the CSM effective immediately. You have posted a public apology to the community and have also apologized to the capsuleer in private. ... Donate 3+ Billion ISK to the capsuleer in question. Post proof of this donation. ... Respectfully, Talia Nachtigall What is it like living under a rock? How about a resolution by CCP to never again allow him to have a CSM position The ban happened between CSMs, so technically he could run for CSM8 if he wanted to. BTW: Don't think that having Mittani off CSM8 will save you. You may have actually made it worse.
kinda the point. get rid of the CSM. This situation has proved the whole thing to be more of a liability than its worth. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3211
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:43:00 -
[4833] - Quote
No it hasn't.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
140
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:43:00 -
[4834] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:IsTheOpOver wrote:Talia Nachtigall wrote:@Mittani: ... I want your complete resignation from the CSM effective immediately. You have posted a public apology to the community and have also apologized to the capsuleer in private. ... Donate 3+ Billion ISK to the capsuleer in question. Post proof of this donation. ... Respectfully, Talia Nachtigall What is it like living under a rock? How about a resolution by CCP to never again allow him to have a CSM position The ban happened between CSMs, so technically he could run for CSM8 if he wanted to. BTW: Don't think that having Mittani off CSM8 will save you. You may have actually made it worse. kinda the point. get rid of the CSM. This situation has proved the whole thing to be more of a liability than its worth.
Well y'see. You're wrong.
Also, get out. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:45:00 -
[4835] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Hell I am hoping The Mittani is a candidate for CSM8 Oh my, you're a goon alt aren't you.
And now they're burning it to put this idea into the minds of pubbies.
"Frying Doom said it, it'll work out ok"
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
82
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:48:00 -
[4836] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:
Well y'see. You're wrong.
Also, get out.
ah, as intelligent a comeback as I expected from a Mittens supporter
Alavaria Fera wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Hell I am hoping The Mittani is a candidate for CSM8 Oh my, you're a goon alt aren't you. And now they're burning it to put this idea into the minds of pubbies. "Frying Doom said it, it'll work out ok"
As I understand it, your plan was to run 4 or 5 ppl an own the csm... ought to be fun to see the forums when you do it lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:49:00 -
[4837] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:ah, as intelligent a comeback as I expected from a Mittens supporter So how highly would you rate that comeback on a scale of 1 to 10? (10 is best)
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
136
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:53:00 -
[4838] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Hell I am hoping The Mittani is a candidate for CSM8 Oh my, you're a goon alt aren't you. And now they're burning it to put this idea into the minds of pubbies. "Frying Doom said it, it'll work out ok" I am hoping he will be a candidate for CSM8, we get all these tears again. That is unless you get sick of being a laughing stock for 12 months and decide to get rid of him. Please keep him as your leader for the morale of the rest of EvE and a really good laugh. As too being a Goon alt I'm not surprised your confused you guys have so many alts in here, must be hard to remember them all. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:02:00 -
[4839] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Hell I am hoping The Mittani is a candidate for CSM8 Oh my, you're a goon alt aren't you. And now they're burning it to put this idea into the minds of pubbies. "Frying Doom said it, it'll work out ok" I am hoping he will be a candidate for CSM8, we get all these tears again. That is unless you get sick of being a laughing stock for 12 months and decide to get rid of him. Please keep him as your leader for the morale of the rest of EvE and a really good laugh. As too being a Goon alt I'm not surprised your confused you guys have so many alts in here, must be hard to remember them all. I am a relatively new character. I joined about the time we were taking Branch from WN. But I think you weren't talking about me? But hey, I'm just another goon, nothing major.
Enough about me, there's some really cute newbies that joined recently and there was even one that led an op. So cute~ Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
191
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:10:00 -
[4840] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote: I am hoping he will be a candidate for CSM8, we get all these tears again. That is unless you get sick of being a laughing stock for 12 months and decide to get rid of him. Please keep him as your leader for the morale of the rest of EvE and a really good laugh.
2012 will go down as a vintage year for Goon tears. Exceptionally sweet and delicious. My cellar is brimming with bottled Goon tears for those cold winter nights. |
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MoyO zOlotse
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.04.01 09:39:00 -
[4841] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:IsTheOpOver wrote:Talia Nachtigall wrote:@Mittani: ... I want your complete resignation from the CSM effective immediately. You have posted a public apology to the community and have also apologized to the capsuleer in private. ... Donate 3+ Billion ISK to the capsuleer in question. Post proof of this donation. ... Respectfully, Talia Nachtigall What is it like living under a rock? How about a resolution by CCP to never again allow him to have a CSM position The ban happened between CSMs, so technically he could run for CSM8 if he wanted to. BTW: Don't think that having Mittani off CSM8 will save you. You may have actually made it worse.
It would help if you actually knew what you were talking about.
Just saying. Moar crais puhleaze they are delish. |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.04.01 11:43:00 -
[4842] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:
kinda the point. get rid of the CSM. This situation has proved the whole thing to be more of a liability than its worth.
My thoughts are definitely leaning this way.
The mindset of the mittani's followers is essentially that of a dictatorship that wants to be democratically elected. Fundamentally flawed from the ground up, and an element incompatible with the CSM process. They want to settle nothing democratically though.
They just want your cash over at Something Awful. When you have to pay money to join a rebellion, you have already been victimized by the movement. Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
484
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Posted - 2012.04.01 11:57:00 -
[4843] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:They shut every other thread they could find in general about this so you had to post in this one. sigh
Yes, there's a clear attempt by CCP to quiet this situation. In the beginning I agreed with it even to the extent of believing that what Mittens had done wasn't that much of a deal. However, when I started reviewing the alliance panel segment of fanfast, his apology and his post panel communications I concluded that he's a egomaniac that is only sorry that he was too drunk to realize he was leaving indisputable and recorded evidence of his behavior.
So, it's important that everyone who sees this situation for what it is and not what Mitten's, CCP and others would hope we would see it as keep bringing the few threads they've kept to the top of the forum. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
141
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Posted - 2012.04.01 11:59:00 -
[4844] - Quote
Please someone put this thread out of it's and our misery. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Kehro Urgus
279
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Posted - 2012.04.01 12:01:00 -
[4845] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Please someone put this thread out of it's and our misery.
Banned for your sins.
/edit link fixed Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
99
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Posted - 2012.04.01 13:56:00 -
[4846] - Quote
We can't have this on page 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-_HeVNYOk
Save Derpy! |
MoyO zOlotse
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.04.01 16:09:00 -
[4847] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:They shut every other thread they could find in general about this so you had to post in this one. sigh
Frying Doom wrote:Please someone put this thread out of it's and our misery.
You just have to keep it at the top dont you? |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2012.04.01 16:11:00 -
[4848] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Spring Blue wrote:Amongst many here.. calling bull*** on that apology.
Every part of that apology can be thrown out the window by remembering that he is/was a lawyer, and that the slide in question was pre-prepared, it was not a drunk last minute addition, it was a purposeful vindictive act with the sole intention of getting a mass audience to laugh at some poor guys misfortune. He wasn't on the internet, he was at a conference with a clear goal before the first drink went past his lips. Suicide isn't a joking matter.
The only joke here is that he only got a 30 days ban, he should be looking at jail time. And the whole of Goons should have there entire network looked at by law enforcement to see how far out of game they take this sort of crap. The slide was not a breach of the EULA and was scrutinised by CCP and allowed to proceed. The comments made in the impromptu Q and A session were in breach of the EULA and were judged by CCP. As pertaining to the slide: If I remember the CCP blog about the situation they washed their hands of it stating they failed to scrutinize some content or specifically his content. Can't remember the exact specifics. But it allows CCP to distance themselves in case of legal repercussions. Why would they want to do that? Hmmm? The slide was a vehicle in the presentation to facilitate Mitanni's mocking of the guy who wrote it. It was included specifically to harass the guy, to make fun of the guy in the same manner that adolescents make fun of anyone they see as weak and defenseless. It's not like Mitanni was going to use it as a tool to discuss anti-bullying policies or the finer points of depression. There could only be one purpose which was exactly how Mittens used it. There was clear intent to use that mail, which I assume Mittens had been keeping for a few days or a few weeks or a few months, for the sole purposes of a mockery at a minimum. At the least that's bullying. That Mittens solicited thousands of people to help him make the guy commit suicide.....that you can't see this, that you're attempting to separate the communication from the behavior is just sad. So, the apology, stating drunkenness many times as the culprit, doesn't exactly work. Had a more tangible crime been committed, say a hypothetical assault and battery on someone, with previous communication from the victim in the perpetrator's pocket asking the perpetrator not to harm the victim....well....it would be a clear case of premeditation. No, the only reason drunkenness could be made to work as an excuse is that Mittens was too drunk to remember the proceedings were being recorded......that's the only fault it could be used to excuse.
yes, its premeditated is the point. you plan out a crime, then get drunk when you commit it, drunkenness wont save your ass when they find out it was planned from, the start
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2012.04.01 16:15:00 -
[4849] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Frying Doom wrote:They shut every other thread they could find in general about this so you had to post in this one. sigh Yes, there's a clear attempt by CCP to quiet this situation. In the beginning I agreed with it even to the extent of believing that what Mittens had done wasn't that much of a deal. However, when I started reviewing the alliance panel segment of fanfast, his apology and his post panel communications I concluded that he's a egomaniac that is only sorry that he was too drunk to realize he was leaving indisputable and recorded evidence of his behavior. So, it's important that everyone who sees this situation for what it is and not what Mitten's, CCP and others would hope we would see it as keep bringing the few threads they've kept to the top of the forum.
and as he said on eve radio, the only reason he even got a ban was cause the massively guy said it was cyber bullying and mittens thinks it want. as for him redacting the cyber bullying BS, either that Massively guy is a MASSIVE tool or he was threatened ahead of time with RL consequenses Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
372
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Posted - 2012.04.01 16:17:00 -
[4850] - Quote
MoyO zOlotse wrote:Frying Doom wrote:They shut every other thread they could find in general about this so you had to post in this one. sigh Frying Doom wrote:Please someone put this thread out of it's and our misery. You just have to keep it at the top dont you?
methinks they doth protest too much
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.04.01 16:53:00 -
[4851] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Richard Aiel wrote: How about a resolution by CCP to never again allow him to have a CSM position
Shouldn't really matter he has said that being on the CSM is incompatible with running Goonswarm or are you suggesting he is lying? MITTENS?? LYING?? PERISH the thought of impugning his honor is such a manner
Yes, he does it so well all by himself Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
969
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:07:00 -
[4852] - Quote
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:When you have to pay money to join a rebellion, you have already been victimized by the movement.
Subscription to "Something Awful Forums" is the first and primary way to be a part of Goonswarm: the corporation (see the difference?) Second being by sponsor of some member already in but doesn't mean you can get in.
So you don't have to pay to be part of, agree, whatsoever. Don't put all your eggs in the same basket. I don't agree with many things they do, but when they do something good for the game I can say it is. The thing that bothers me highly is the "how" they use to make things change, this "how" being "you" as a tool to achieve their goal but it's ok we can't agree on everything can we? |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
129
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:16:00 -
[4853] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:When you have to pay money to join a rebellion, you have already been victimized by the movement. Subscription to "Something Awful Forums" is the first and primary way to be a part of Goonswarm: the corporation (see the difference?)
Interesting... you have to pay to sub there. This is the only MMO Ive ever heard of that its not actionable to require people to pay to be a part of your corporation Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
491
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:44:00 -
[4854] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Frying Doom wrote:They shut every other thread they could find in general about this so you had to post in this one. sigh Yes, there's a clear attempt by CCP to quiet this situation. In the beginning I agreed with it even to the extent of believing that what Mittens had done wasn't that much of a deal. However, when I started reviewing the alliance panel segment of fanfast, his apology and his post panel communications I concluded that he's a egomaniac that is only sorry that he was too drunk to realize he was leaving indisputable and recorded evidence of his behavior. So, it's important that everyone who sees this situation for what it is and not what Mitten's, CCP and others would hope we would see it as keep bringing the few threads they've kept to the top of the forum. and as he said on eve radio, the only reason he even got a ban was cause the massively guy said it was cyber bullying and mittens thinks it want. as for him redacting the cyber bullying BS, either that Massively guy is a MASSIVE tool or he was threatened ahead of time with RL consequenses
Wrong.
Massively has nothing to do with CCP's standing policies or the actions of a player before the story is ever written. I'm not going to pretend to know CCP's motivations beyond their EULA/TOS. But, Mittens clearly violated it, apology not withstanding. That CCP waited until Massively reported the incident to ban Mittens has no direct correlation to their actions although, I'm sure it might have had an indirect influence but no more so than the outrage that exploded onto the forums.
Mitanni is lucky......LUCKY that he only got a 30d ban. Many others have experienced much less leniency in similar such instances in much less public venues and whom have much....MUCH less influence over so many other players. Think about that. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:50:00 -
[4855] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:When you have to pay money to join a rebellion, you have already been victimized by the movement. Subscription to "Something Awful Forums" is the first and primary way to be a part of Goonswarm: the corporation (see the difference?) Interesting... you have to pay to sub there. This is the only MMO Ive ever heard of that its not actionable to require people to pay to be a part of your corporation
We can waive the fee, you just need a sponsor. Contact me in game and we can talk about options. |
Glarealot
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:55:00 -
[4856] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Spring Blue wrote:Amongst many here.. calling bull*** on that apology.
Every part of that apology can be thrown out the window by remembering that he is/was a lawyer, and that the slide in question was pre-prepared, it was not a drunk last minute addition, it was a purposeful vindictive act with the sole intention of getting a mass audience to laugh at some poor guys misfortune. He wasn't on the internet, he was at a conference with a clear goal before the first drink went past his lips. Suicide isn't a joking matter.
The only joke here is that he only got a 30 days ban, he should be looking at jail time. And the whole of Goons should have there entire network looked at by law enforcement to see how far out of game they take this sort of crap. The slide was not a breach of the EULA and was scrutinised by CCP and allowed to proceed. The comments made in the impromptu Q and A session were in breach of the EULA and were judged by CCP. As pertaining to the slide: If I remember the CCP blog about the situation they washed their hands of it stating they failed to scrutinize some content or specifically his content. Can't remember the exact specifics. But it allows CCP to distance themselves in case of legal repercussions. Why would they want to do that? Hmmm? The slide was a vehicle in the presentation to facilitate Mitanni's mocking of the guy who wrote it. It was included specifically to harass the guy, to make fun of the guy in the same manner that adolescents make fun of anyone they see as weak and defenseless. It's not like Mitanni was going to use it as a tool to discuss anti-bullying policies or the finer points of depression. There could only be one purpose which was exactly how Mittens used it. There was clear intent to use that mail, which I assume Mittens had been keeping for a few days or a few weeks or a few months, for the sole purposes of a mockery at a minimum. At the least that's bullying. That Mittens solicited thousands of people to help him make the guy commit suicide.....that you can't see this, that you're attempting to separate the communication from the behavior is just sad. So, the apology, stating drunkenness many times as the culprit, doesn't exactly work. Had a more tangible crime been committed, say a hypothetical assault and battery on someone, with previous communication from the victim in the perpetrator's pocket asking the perpetrator not to harm the victim....well....it would be a clear case of premeditation. No, the only reason drunkenness could be made to work as an excuse is that Mittens was too drunk to remember the proceedings were being recorded......that's the only fault it could be used to excuse. yes, its premeditated is the point. you plan out a crime, then get drunk when you commit it, drunkenness wont save your ass when they find out it was planned from, the start
QFT. Congrats on writing a statement that will become someone's sig Richard Aiel on Mitten's Slide: yes, its premeditated is the point. you plan out a crime, then get drunk when you commit it, drunkenness wont save your ass when they find out it was planned from, the start |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
702
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Posted - 2012.04.01 17:58:00 -
[4857] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Frying Doom wrote:They shut every other thread they could find in general about this so you had to post in this one. sigh Yes, there's a clear attempt by CCP to quiet this situation. In the beginning I agreed with it even to the extent of believing that what Mittens had done wasn't that much of a deal. However, when I started reviewing the alliance panel segment of fanfast, his apology and his post panel communications I concluded that he's a egomaniac that is only sorry that he was too drunk to realize he was leaving indisputable and recorded evidence of his behavior. So, it's important that everyone who sees this situation for what it is and not what Mitten's, CCP and others would hope we would see it as keep bringing the few threads they've kept to the top of the forum. and as he said on eve radio, the only reason he even got a ban was cause the massively guy said it was cyber bullying and mittens thinks it want. as for him redacting the cyber bullying BS, either that Massively guy is a MASSIVE tool or he was threatened ahead of time with RL consequenses Wrong. Massively has nothing to do with CCP's standing policies or the actions of a player before the story is ever written. I'm not going to pretend to know CCP's motivations beyond their EULA/TOS. But, Mittens clearly violated it, apology not withstanding. That CCP waited until Massively reported the incident to ban Mittens has no direct correlation to their actions although, I'm sure it might have had an indirect influence but no more so than the outrage that exploded onto the forums. Mitanni is lucky......LUCKY that he only got a 30d ban. Many others have experienced much less leniency in similar such instances in much less public venues and whom have much....MUCH less influence over so many other players. Think about that.
Mittani went on a crusade against massively when most people on the forums haven't even read the article he was citing.
Most of us watched the video before even commenting.
If anything it was the goons storming the forums that made it all blow up. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Yumi Sagara
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.01 18:05:00 -
[4858] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Frying Doom wrote:They shut every other thread they could find in general about this so you had to post in this one. sigh Yes, there's a clear attempt by CCP to quiet this situation. In the beginning I agreed with it even to the extent of believing that what Mittens had done wasn't that much of a deal. However, when I started reviewing the alliance panel segment of fanfast, his apology and his post panel communications I concluded that he's a egomaniac that is only sorry that he was too drunk to realize he was leaving indisputable and recorded evidence of his behavior. So, it's important that everyone who sees this situation for what it is and not what Mitten's, CCP and others would hope we would see it as keep bringing the few threads they've kept to the top of the forum. and as he said on eve radio, the only reason he even got a ban was cause the massively guy said it was cyber bullying and mittens thinks it want. as for him redacting the cyber bullying BS, either that Massively guy is a MASSIVE tool or he was threatened ahead of time with RL consequenses Wrong. Massively has nothing to do with CCP's standing policies or the actions of a player before the story is ever written. I'm not going to pretend to know CCP's motivations beyond their EULA/TOS. But, Mittens clearly violated it, apology not withstanding. That CCP waited until Massively reported the incident to ban Mittens has no direct correlation to their actions although, I'm sure it might have had an indirect influence but no more so than the outrage that exploded onto the forums. Mitanni is lucky......LUCKY that he only got a 30d ban. Many others have experienced much less leniency in similar such instances in much less public venues and whom have much....MUCH less influence over so many other players. Think about that. Mittani went on a crusade against massively when most people on the forums haven't even read the article he was citing. Most of us watched the video before even commenting. If anything it was the goons storming the forums that made it all blow up.
Mittani needs someone to be able to point to someone and say "This is all their fault". It has nothing to do with the fact that he tried to push an individual outside of the game to commit suicide. It has nothing to do with his actions being as cookie cutter of a case of cyber bullying as you can get. No no, obviously this is all happening to him because people hate the goons and are butthurt about things going on in this game.
There are threads about him even on other game forums, being discussed by folks who don't give 2 craps about anything that happens in this game, and the response is basically the same. Any normal person who hears that an individual did this would be floored by the news. They don't have to play this video game to think he deserves more than a little slap on the wrist. And yet, that's all he got. And now he is mad that his real life name is tied to the word Cyber Bully? It isn't "The Mittani" who stood up in front of all those people. It was Alexander Gianturco, and that person deserves to be held accountable for their actions.
I'm sorry he hates the idea that there are consequences in this world and that he can't hide behind his screen name forever, but that's life. HTFU, because real life is a hell of a lot harder than this little playground we hang around in and no matter how much of a badass his pixels may be in EVE, it won't prepare him for what reality will do when he performs acts like that. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1379
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Posted - 2012.04.01 18:25:00 -
[4859] - Quote
OOOOOOH YEAH |
Jita Alt666
980
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Posted - 2012.04.01 20:50:00 -
[4860] - Quote
My god such a great Crimson link can not be on page 2 |
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Ender Karazaki
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.04.01 21:34:00 -
[4861] - Quote
(yawns)
I still can't see why everyone is getting their pink panties in a twist. Ya'll need to get out more. |
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2012.04.01 21:59:00 -
[4862] - Quote
Yumi Sagara wrote:
Mittani needs someone to be able to point to someone and say "This is all their fault". It has nothing to do with the fact that he tried to push an individual outside of the game to commit suicide. It has nothing to do with his actions being as cookie cutter of a case of cyber bullying as you can get. No no, obviously this is all happening to him because people hate the goons and are butthurt about things going on in this game.
There are threads about him even on other game forums, being discussed by folks who don't give 2 craps about anything that happens in this game, and the response is basically the same. Any normal person who hears that an individual did this would be floored by the news. They don't have to play this video game to think he deserves more than a little slap on the wrist. And yet, that's all he got. And now he is mad that his real life name is tied to the word Cyber Bully? It isn't "The Mittani" who stood up in front of all those people. It was Alexander Gianturco, and that person deserves to be held accountable for their actions.
I'm sorry he hates the idea that there are consequences in this world and that he can't hide behind his screen name forever, but that's life. HTFU, because real life is a hell of a lot harder than this little playground we hang around in and no matter how much of a badass his pixels may be in EVE, it won't prepare him for what reality will do when he performs acts like that.
I saw one of those posts on Rift's off topic forum. Heh. Word is spreading. How CCP reacts to the Mittani comments at fanfest will show whether they condone this behavior or not. If they do nothing, then obviously pushing for real world violence and death is an acceptable gameplay tactic to them and will open a whole new venue of strategy for us, the gamers. |
Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
26
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Posted - 2012.04.01 22:00:00 -
[4863] - Quote
The only panities being twisted are the ones being worn by The Mittani. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.04.01 22:42:00 -
[4864] - Quote
Mr Kidd wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Frying Doom wrote:They shut every other thread they could find in general about this so you had to post in this one. sigh Yes, there's a clear attempt by CCP to quiet this situation. In the beginning I agreed with it even to the extent of believing that what Mittens had done wasn't that much of a deal. However, when I started reviewing the alliance panel segment of fanfast, his apology and his post panel communications I concluded that he's a egomaniac that is only sorry that he was too drunk to realize he was leaving indisputable and recorded evidence of his behavior. So, it's important that everyone who sees this situation for what it is and not what Mitten's, CCP and others would hope we would see it as keep bringing the few threads they've kept to the top of the forum. and as he said on eve radio, the only reason he even got a ban was cause the massively guy said it was cyber bullying and mittens thinks it want. as for him redacting the cyber bullying BS, either that Massively guy is a MASSIVE tool or he was threatened ahead of time with RL consequenses Wrong. Massively has nothing to do with CCP's standing policies or the actions of a player before the story is ever written. I'm not going to pretend to know CCP's motivations beyond their EULA/TOS. But, Mittens clearly violated it, apology not withstanding. That CCP waited until Massively reported the incident to ban Mittens has no direct correlation to their actions although, I'm sure it might have had an indirect influence but no more so than the outrage that exploded onto the forums. Mitanni is lucky......LUCKY that he only got a 30d ban. Many others have experienced much less leniency in similar such instances in much less public venues and whom have much....MUCH less influence over so many other players. Think about that.
NICE Im being called down for paraphrasing what HE said on EVE Radio. If I knew the quote Id have used that but cause I didnt off hand, I didnt want to have a Goon lawyer later on jump on me for misquoting the Holy One Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.04.01 22:43:00 -
[4865] - Quote
Glarealot wrote:
QFT. Congrats on writing a statement that will become someone's sig
Hey cool I dont think Ive ever been sigged before lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.04.01 22:46:00 -
[4866] - Quote
Ender Karazaki wrote:(yawns)
I still can't see why everyone is getting their pink panties in a twist. Ya'll need to get out more.
posts like this make me really wonder how many people get this case or are too apethetic/stupid/childish/ignorant/sociopathic to understand https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
GatoOFruits
InterSun Freelance Moon Warriors
4
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Posted - 2012.04.01 23:01:00 -
[4867] - Quote
To keep a thread going for so long there must be p0rn in an Easter egg somewhere... So where is it?
Note: I know this post does not contribute in any constructive way to this thread...but it is not different than 2/3 of what I read so far |
Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
26
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Posted - 2012.04.01 23:23:00 -
[4868] - Quote
GatoOFruits wrote: To keep a thread going for so long there must be p0rn in an Easter egg somewhere... So where is it?
Note: I know this post does not contribute in any constructive way to this thread...but it is not different than 2/3 of what I read so far
I don't know that it matters. Either way you've sent this thread back to the top and many of us appreaciate that. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
145
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Posted - 2012.04.01 23:38:00 -
[4869] - Quote
Why does anyone care about this guy?
Being King of the "internet cool" losers still makes you an "internet cool" loser.
And you're surprised when you put these people in an actual social situation they are incapable of restraint, tact and where you draw the line between edgy and hilarious vs offensive jerk wad?
Yeah, "apology" received. (not that I cared about the offense to begin with, or know all that many details about it)
Want to write a good apology? Log off the interwebs and write your mom a letter apologizing for wasting any potential she may have tried to give you.
Trying to save face here only makes you look worse, because everyone knows how insincere it is. Like you won't go out tomorrow and continue to drool and spew the drivel that makes you so "internet cool", encouraging the same uninspired unoriginal behavior out of your ilk. |
Goe Rilla
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.04.02 00:19:00 -
[4870] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:This has been hanging over my head since Thursday when I stumbled away from the Alliance Panel with a vague sense that I had done something horrible. I didn't know the extent of how much of a shitheel I had been until today, when footage of the presentation went up. As many of you now know, I gave out the in-game character name of a Mackinaw miner if anyone had wanted to blow him up - except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
Then I landed, and saw the article listing my actual quote.
Christ.
I feel absolutely ashamed of my behavior at the Alliance Panel. It's one thing to play a villain in an online roleplaying game - when I post on these forums or on twitter, I usually do so as 'The Mittani', and do my level best to convince everyone that I'm an unrepentant space villain, as that kind of facade provides an in-game advantage to me and my alliance. But I am not that character in real life, as anyone who has met me can attest. I went way, way, /way/ past the line on Thursday night by mocking the Mackinaw miner at a real-life event. I, as a person, am not the entity that I play in EVE; I am not actually a sociopath or a sadist, and I certainly don't want people to kill themselves in real life over an internet spaceship game, no matter what I may say or do within the game itself. CCP may say 'EVE is Real', but EVE is not real - and the line between the game and reality should not be overstepped.
I'm relieved to discover that the Mackinaw miner is doing fine and mining away, despite being blown up by Goonswarm in-game. He deserves, and he has, my heartfelt apologies - here in public as well as a private apology. There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
If I could go back in time and not have included the slide mentioning the miner, I would do so. While the Eve Online character "The Mittani" would never apologize for any sort of villany in game, I myself, as Alex Gianturco, feel utterly ashamed and sickened by my behavior.
This guy totally didn't just self-indulge. |
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ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2012.04.02 00:57:00 -
[4871] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Why does anyone care about this guy?
Being King of the "internet cool" losers still makes you an "internet cool" loser.
And you're surprised when you put these people in an actual social situation they are incapable of restraint, tact and where you draw the line between edgy and hilarious vs offensive jerk wad?
Blaming alcohol? I'm 33 and I've been drunk more than my share of times. Alcohol doesn't make you do bad things, it makes you not care about the consequences of doing what you've wanted to do all along.
As for "playing an internet villain"?? Yeah, that's all role play right? It's not you acting out your real personality doing things that would get you punched on the street. It's the same thing as blaming the alcohol, you're not apologizing you're DEFLECTING. There is a difference.
It's you, we all know it. Don't apologize for your actions, apologize for being who you are. If you didn't know it and just realized, don't worry, we all did this whole time. Maybe up until this point your ego didn't let you see the truth, but the truth is you just have a crap personality and moral structure. You fail as a human being.
But you can succeed at internet space ship politics! I'm sure that gives someone as bankrupt as you some comfort.
Yeah, "apology" received. (not that I cared about the offense to begin with, or know all that many details about it)
Want to write a good apology? Log off the interwebs and write your mom a letter apologizing for wasting any potential she may have tried to give you.
Trying to save face here only makes you look worse, because everyone knows how insincere it is. Like you won't go out tomorrow and continue to drool and spew the drivel that makes you so "internet cool", encouraging the same uninspired unoriginal behavior out of your ilk.
I cannot begin to express the awesomeness of this post. How CCP reacts to the Mittani comments at fanfest will show whether they condone this behavior or not. If they do nothing, then obviously pushing for real world violence and death is an acceptable gameplay tactic to them and will open a whole new venue of strategy for us, the gamers. |
Jita Alt666
980
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Posted - 2012.04.02 01:13:00 -
[4872] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Why does anyone care about this guy?
Being King of the "internet cool" losers still makes you an "internet cool" loser.
And you're surprised when you put these people in an actual social situation they are incapable of restraint, tact and where you draw the line between edgy and hilarious vs offensive jerk wad?
Blaming alcohol? I'm 33 and I've been drunk more than my share of times. Alcohol doesn't make you do bad things, it makes you not care about the consequences of doing what you've wanted to do all along.
As for "playing an internet villain"?? Yeah, that's all role play right? It's not you acting out your real personality doing things that would get you punched on the street. It's the same thing as blaming the alcohol, you're not apologizing you're DEFLECTING. There is a difference.
It's you, we all know it. Don't apologize for your actions, apologize for being who you are. If you didn't know it and just realized, don't worry, we all did this whole time. Maybe up until this point your ego didn't let you see the truth, but the truth is you just have a crap personality and moral structure. You fail as a human being.
But you can succeed at internet space ship politics! I'm sure that gives someone as bankrupt as you some comfort.
Yeah, "apology" received. (not that I cared about the offense to begin with, or know all that many details about it)
Want to write a good apology? Log off the interwebs and write your mom a letter apologizing for wasting any potential she may have tried to give you.
Trying to save face here only makes you look worse, because everyone knows how insincere it is. Like you won't go out tomorrow and continue to drool and spew the drivel that makes you so "internet cool", encouraging the same uninspired unoriginal behavior out of your ilk.
Why does anyone care about this guy?
Looks like you do. |
Crevtran Sbatiol
the united Negative Ten.
3
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Posted - 2012.04.02 01:23:00 -
[4873] - Quote
ILikeMarkets wrote:
I cannot begin to express the awesomeness of this post.
Same here, because I honestly can't find it. I sometimes wonder if any of you actually saw the video of if you are just jumping on the cyber-bullying bandwagon. All he was doing is making a joke in refferal to the hate mail he got, and maybe I am the only one who thinks so, but I have my doubts that Mittens actually wanted the guy to kill himself IRL. I ganked people, canfilpped people, and now I am in the united, and I can tell you that hate mails like that one are not uncommon. People often pull the "I want to kill myself" card when they are really just pissed they lost their ship because of being brain-afk.
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Bane Necran
242
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Posted - 2012.04.02 01:34:00 -
[4874] - Quote
I come to bury this thread, not to praise it. The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones. |
MR DEMOS
Death Knight Legion Whiskey Creek Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.02 01:43:00 -
[4875] - Quote
Ahhhh the game of EVE. It can bring out the worst and the best in people. A very quite IT tech at work during the day. In EVE a Custom killer with no remorse. In the community of EVE all is Fair game And at Fanfest it counts double. Drunk or not RL stinks and debts must be paid in full. Fate will decide his Punishment. |
Todes
Eve Trade Broker
1
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 02:14:00 -
[4876] - Quote
When I first saw what the player looked like, first thought was.... douchebag, well, thankyou for proving it. This is a prime example of the truth coming out, he doesn't care about anyone but himself. |
Crevtran Sbatiol
the united Negative Ten.
4
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Posted - 2012.04.02 02:18:00 -
[4877] - Quote
Todes wrote:can't wait to hear hes been in a fatal car accident Who's cyber-bullying whom now? Everyone in favor of banning "Todes" for bullying put your hands up/like this post! |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 02:27:00 -
[4878] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Why does anyone care about this guy?
Being King of the "internet cool" losers still makes you an "internet cool" loser.
And you're surprised when you put these people in an actual social situation they are incapable of restraint, tact and where you draw the line between edgy and hilarious vs offensive jerk wad?
Blaming alcohol? I'm 33 and I've been drunk more than my share of times. Alcohol doesn't make you do bad things, it makes you not care about the consequences of doing what you've wanted to do all along.
As for "playing an internet villain"?? Yeah, that's all role play right? It's not you acting out your real personality doing things that would get you punched on the street. It's the same thing as blaming the alcohol, you're not apologizing you're DEFLECTING. There is a difference.
It's you, we all know it. Don't apologize for your actions, apologize for being who you are. If you didn't know it and just realized, don't worry, we all did this whole time. Maybe up until this point your ego didn't let you see the truth, but the truth is you just have a crap personality and moral structure. You fail as a human being.
But you can succeed at internet space ship politics! I'm sure that gives someone as bankrupt as you some comfort.
Yeah, "apology" received. (not that I cared about the offense to begin with, or know all that many details about it)
Want to write a good apology? Log off the interwebs and write your mom a letter apologizing for wasting any potential she may have tried to give you.
Trying to save face here only makes you look worse, because everyone knows how insincere it is. Like you won't go out tomorrow and continue to drool and spew the drivel that makes you so "internet cool", encouraging the same uninspired unoriginal behavior out of your ilk.
Just because I enjoy spaceships on the internet it does not make me a "loser" like the rest of the thread please do not paint us with such a broad brush and try and keep it civil. |
MoyO zOlotse
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.04.02 02:40:00 -
[4879] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Mittani went on a crusade against massively when most people on the forums haven't even read the article he was citing.
Most of us watched the video before even commenting.
If anything it was the goons storming the forums that made it all blow up.
So the Goons got the Mittani removed from the CSM and also banned from the game?
Classic Goon on Goon action!
I would like to thank myself for doing this to myself. Thank you, thank you everybody!
This is baffling though, the whole point of the Goons, nay EVE in general, is to grief. Day in day out. griEVEf play online
So why then do we have so many delicious goon tears and full diapers? Ive never seen a group cry so much over a video game.
Laugh. |
Todes
Eve Trade Broker
2
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 02:46:00 -
[4880] - Quote
Crevtran Sbatiol wrote:Todes wrote:can't wait to hear hes been in a fatal car accident Who's cyber-bullying whom now? Everyone in favor of banning "Todes" for bullying put your hands up/like this post!
Yes I edited it out, Ill admit I would love to hear that, I'm not gonna deny it, because its truth, no I am not drunk, wish I was, ran outta tequila the other day I retracted what I said because well, I do have a temper and realized that saying that was just wrong, thinking it is another matter.... that makes my 'wish would die in a car accident' list at around 150 or so XD |
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Jita Alt666
981
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Posted - 2012.04.02 02:48:00 -
[4881] - Quote
Todes wrote:Crevtran Sbatiol wrote:Todes wrote:can't wait to hear hes been in a fatal car accident Who's cyber-bullying whom now? Everyone in favor of banning "Todes" for bullying put your hands up/like this post! Yes I edited it out, Ill admit I would love to hear that, I'm not gonna deny it, because its truth, no I am not drunk, wish I was, ran outta tequila the other day I retracted what I said because well, I do have a temper and realized that saying that was just wrong, thinking it is another matter.... that makes my 'wish would die in a car accident' list at around 150 or so XD Edit: Does that make me an *******? I hope so :P
Pot Kettle Black. |
Ai Shun
562
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 02:54:00 -
[4882] - Quote
Todes wrote:Yes I edited it out, Ill admit I would love to hear that, I'm not gonna deny it, because its truth, no I am not drunk, wish I was, ran outta tequila the other day I retracted what I said because well, I do have a temper and realized that saying that was just wrong, thinking it is another matter.... that makes my 'wish would die in a car accident' list at around 150 or so XD
And yet, here you are, doing what you decry. I find this very amusing. Or are you a Goon alt trying to build sympathy for The Mittani by explaining how such a mistake could happen very easily?
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Todes
Eve Trade Broker
2
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 02:55:00 -
[4883] - Quote
I am not encouraging others to harass another just to see if they would commit suicide, then make a token apology just in an attempt to save face. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
149
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 03:21:00 -
[4884] - Quote
Crevtran Sbatiol wrote: Same here, because I honestly can't find it I sometimes wonder if any of you actually saw the video of if you are just jumping on the cyber-bullying bandwagon.
I didn't. I've heard the gist of it I just really don't care. I love the fallout. Don't have to like the tree to enjoy the fire, in fact it can be just the opposite.
I just read the OP and decided to point out his obvious bullshit
Jita Alt666 wrote: Why does anyone care about this guy Looks like you do.
oh no. not the 'cared enough to poast' burn see above
Crevtran Sbatiol wrote: So now just because someone was offended, the CSM candidate who has by far the most votes has to resign? Just think about it for a moment, he has more than double the amount of votes the second guy has Issueing a ban for a violation of the EULA (which doesn't apply out of game) is one thing, but removing the president of an institution made to represent the players opinions isn't correct. They didn't vote him in there and yet they remove him, how is that for democracy? Now I wouldn't complain about it a bit if there would have been a proper impeachment procedure where the playerbase, or the rest of the CSM as their representatives, decided that Mittani can no longer properly represent them. But right now it looks a little bit like a constitutional monarchy where the monarch dismisses the head of the Parliament all by himself.
just because someone is popular doesn't mean they aren't replaceable
and this isn't an actual government, it's a PR tool for a gaming company. He could have 10x the number of votes for him to play internet club leader and still talk his way out of a butter "job" in a flash.
there isn't some constitution they are in violation of for wanting to make him (and the issue itself by proxy) just go away completely.
Kaldaine wrote: Just because I enjoy spaceships on the internet it does not make me a "loser" like the rest of the thread please do not paint us with such a broad brush and try and keep it civil.
that is a fair statement. however while guilt by association is not fair, neither is life
you'll find in reality no matter how much you cry "don't paint me/my friends/whatever" with a broad brush, no one will listen. you might as well repeat it over and over to a brick wall. it will listen about as much as the public will.
people associate their opinions of you based on those you associate with.
even if only one vocal percentage of a group are the ones being a complete ass, or one person alone, that negative opinion will propagate. why? because given the choice, even after the fact, you stand on the side of the dunce. YOU may know that the public opinion is wrong, or exaggerated or misdirected... but the public just doesn't care. many people have failed in life just by choosing to ignore this axiom (how does PR work anyways?)
corporations understand this very well, as the lesson is taught in bad publicity and ultimately money lost. that is why when silly little non-issues like this crop up, they quickly become quashed by the group sacrificing the ass to the mob. it's that or you let some moron take down the entire group with him.
you can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding.
mitt can blame this on alcohol or whatever he wants to, but the fact is he doesn't face this backlash for that one comment. it's the pattern of behavior he and his group have displayed up until this point. how they've been perceived by the people NOT in his group, NOT voting for him, that has put him in such a bad place. role-playing? sure. but given a role to play, that is the one they (and you, whether you like it or not, by association) have chosen to portray
it's funny. all the people that have tried to knock him off his pedestal by force failed. but like so many others who's ego are larger than they can manage, the best way to kill him was to just keep giving him rope and let him do the rest himself.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
153
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 03:39:00 -
[4885] - Quote
I don't recall him trying to blame it on alcohol, do you? Don't mind me, I'm just adding content to threads that otherwise have none. |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
708
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 03:41:00 -
[4886] - Quote
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/04/01/eve-evolved-setting-the-record-straight/
This is a good read for people following this story. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
150
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 03:49:00 -
[4887] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:I don't recall him trying to blame it on alcohol, do you?
The Mittani wrote:except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way.
now he did go on to say.....
The Mittani wrote: while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
but that doesn't really work. see, that's what people attached to reality and not full of BS call "talking out of both sides of your mouth"
I would add to that, my extensive experience in life has taught me when people say "I was so drunk I don't remember" what they are really saying is "god I hope they blame the booze and not me, because i remember that **** and I'm embarassed of myself."
the world is so full of bullshit artists it becomes easy to think the above is an apology. but it isn't, it's a deflection. he's trying to compartmentalize his apology to save face, instead of doing what he should be: apologizing for what he has chosen to (consistently) be.
see also: his (paraphrasing) "i can separate how i treat ppl via a keyboard from how i treat them with a microphone" as if there is a difference.
he might believe that lie enough if he keeps repeating it, but i don't think many others are buying |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
153
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 03:52:00 -
[4888] - Quote
so by saying that he's /not/ using his drunkenness to explain his actions, he's using his drunkenness to explain his actions
npc alt logic is amazing Don't mind me, I'm just adding content to threads that otherwise have none. |
Kaldaine
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 03:53:00 -
[4889] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Crevtran Sbatiol wrote: Same here, because I honestly can't find it I sometimes wonder if any of you actually saw the video of if you are just jumping on the cyber-bullying bandwagon.
I didn't. I've heard the gist of it I just really don't care. I love the fallout. Don't have to like the tree to enjoy the fire, in fact it can be just the opposite. I just read the OP and decided to point out his obvious bullshit Jita Alt666 wrote: Why does anyone care about this guy Looks like you do.
oh no. not the 'cared enough to poast' burn see above Crevtran Sbatiol wrote: So now just because someone was offended, the CSM candidate who has by far the most votes has to resign? Just think about it for a moment, he has more than double the amount of votes the second guy has Issueing a ban for a violation of the EULA (which doesn't apply out of game) is one thing, but removing the president of an institution made to represent the players opinions isn't correct. They didn't vote him in there and yet they remove him, how is that for democracy? Now I wouldn't complain about it a bit if there would have been a proper impeachment procedure where the playerbase, or the rest of the CSM as their representatives, decided that Mittani can no longer properly represent them. But right now it looks a little bit like a constitutional monarchy where the monarch dismisses the head of the Parliament all by himself.
just because someone is popular doesn't mean they aren't replaceable and this isn't an actual government, it's a PR tool for a gaming company. He could have 10x the number of votes for him to play internet club leader and still talk his way out of a butter "job" in a flash. there isn't some constitution they are in violation of for wanting to make him (and the issue itself by proxy) just go away completely. Kaldaine wrote: Just because I enjoy spaceships on the internet it does not make me a "loser" like the rest of the thread please do not paint us with such a broad brush and try and keep it civil.
that is a fair statement. however while guilt by association is not fair, neither is life you'll find in reality no matter how much you cry "don't paint me/my friends/whatever" with a broad brush, no one will listen. you might as well repeat it over and over to a brick wall. it will listen about as much as the public will. people associate their opinions of you based on those you associate with. even if only one vocal percentage of a group are the ones being a complete ass, or one person alone, that negative opinion will propagate. why? because given the choice, even after the fact, you stand on the side of the dunce. YOU may know that the public opinion is wrong, or exaggerated or misdirected... but the public just doesn't care. many people have failed in life just by choosing to ignore this axiom (how does PR work anyways?) corporations understand this very well, as the lesson is taught in bad publicity and ultimately money lost. that is why when silly little non-issues like this crop up, they quickly become quashed by the group sacrificing the ass to the mob. it's that or you let some moron take down the entire group with him. you can't shake the devil's hand and say you're only kidding. mitt can blame this on alcohol or whatever he wants to, but the fact is he doesn't face this backlash for that one comment. it's the pattern of behavior he and his group have displayed up until this point. how they've been perceived by the people NOT in his group, NOT voting for him, that has put him in such a bad place. role-playing? sure. but given a role to play, that is the one they (and you, whether you like it or not, by association) have chosen to portray it's funny. all the people that have tried to knock him off his pedestal by force failed. but like so many others who's ego are larger than they can manage, the best way to kill him was to just keep giving him rope and let him do the rest himself.
I have trouble reading posts that make intermittent use of the shift key Im sorry all those words are going to waste.
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Bane Necran
242
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Posted - 2012.04.02 03:54:00 -
[4890] - Quote
Well, i tried to be reasonable.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75HTp2ONGoI |
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone Caldari State
152
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 03:56:00 -
[4891] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:so by saying that he's /not/ using his drunkenness to explain his actions, he's using his drunkenness to explain his actions
npc alt logic is amazing
you've obviously never had to raise children (or never learned to look past bullshit)
the op reads like this:
Deflection
Deflection
Faux apology.
And it has all the tact of a teenager, which is how most of us view your group (accurately or not), as a bunch of overgrown children.
Would it sting less if I called out your BS with my "main"? |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
95
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 04:08:00 -
[4892] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Why does anyone care about this guy?
Being King of the "internet cool" losers still makes you an "internet cool" loser.
And you're surprised when you put these people in an actual social situation they are incapable of restraint, tact and where you draw the line between edgy and hilarious vs offensive jerk wad?
Blaming alcohol? I'm 33 and I've been drunk more than my share of times. Alcohol doesn't make you do bad things, it makes you not care about the consequences of doing what you've wanted to do all along.
As for "playing an internet villain"?? Yeah, that's all role play right? It's not you acting out your real personality doing things that would get you punched on the street. It's the same thing as blaming the alcohol, you're not apologizing you're DEFLECTING. There is a difference.
It's you, we all know it. Don't apologize for your actions, apologize for being who you are. If you didn't know it and just realized, don't worry, we all did this whole time. Maybe up until this point your ego didn't let you see the truth, but the truth is you just have a crap personality and moral structure. You fail as a human being.
But you can succeed at internet space ship politics! I'm sure that gives someone as bankrupt as you some comfort.
Yeah, "apology" received. (not that I cared about the offense to begin with, or know all that many details about it)
Want to write a good apology? Log off the interwebs and write your mom a letter apologizing for wasting any potential she may have tried to give you.
Trying to save face here only makes you look worse, because everyone knows how insincere it is. Like you won't go out tomorrow and continue to drool and spew the drivel that makes you so "internet cool", encouraging the same uninspired unoriginal behavior out of your ilk.
ever wonder if he's one of those guys that makes fun of role players... irony no?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
95
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 04:12:00 -
[4893] - Quote
Crevtran Sbatiol wrote:Todes wrote:can't wait to hear hes been in a fatal car accident Who's cyber-bullying whom now? Everyone in favor of banning "Todes" for bullying put your hands up/like this post!
cyberbullying is saying something like that in a post on a forum but not getting thousands of people to harrass and goad another player into offing himself? Yeah you lack a sense of reality there bub https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1381
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 06:18:00 -
[4894] - Quote
I can't believe The Mittani's 'PEOPLE' still insist on exercising a futile attempt at justifying this situation due to misplaced loyalty and misguided devotion.
Be forewarned, no good can come out of continuously pushing this issue, especially since real life legal ramifications could still materialize. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 06:53:00 -
[4895] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:I can't believe The Mittani's 'PEOPLE' still insist on exercising a futile attempt at justifying this situation due to misplaced loyalty and misguided devotion. Be forewarned, no good can come out of continuously pushing this issue, especially since real life legal ramifications could still materialize.
wow look who's behind the times Don't mind me, I'm just adding content to threads that otherwise have none. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2012.04.02 06:54:00 -
[4896] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:I can't believe The Mittani's 'PEOPLE' still insist on exercising a futile attempt at justifying this situation due to misplaced loyalty and misguided devotion. Be forewarned, no good can come out of continuously pushing this issue, especially since real life legal ramifications could still materialize.
There is no justification for what happened. It has been dealt with. Now, It's gone beyond stupid into something sick. I can't believe a game ban for thirty days would lead to an "anti-gaming media" campaign where they try to remove unfavorable news coverage from the web by means of attack e-mails. I would hate to be that guy at Massively... |
Baron Xenos
Nothing PersonaI
2
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Posted - 2012.04.02 06:54:00 -
[4897] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I can't believe The Mittani's 'PEOPLE' still insist on exercising a futile attempt at justifying this situation due to misplaced loyalty and misguided devotion. Be forewarned, no good can come out of continuously pushing this issue, especially since real life legal ramifications could still materialize. wow look who's behind the times
i hate to say it sir, but umad. |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
713
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Posted - 2012.04.02 06:58:00 -
[4898] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I can't believe The Mittani's 'PEOPLE' still insist on exercising a futile attempt at justifying this situation due to misplaced loyalty and misguided devotion. Be forewarned, no good can come out of continuously pushing this issue, especially since real life legal ramifications could still materialize. There is no justification for what happened. It has been dealt with. Now, It's gone beyond stupid into something sick. I can't believe a game ban for thirty days would lead to an "anti-gaming media" campaign where they try to remove unfavorable news coverage from the web by means of attack e-mails. I would hate to be that guy at Massively...
Goons going way to far. Look too the leadership.
Alex now needs to apologize to them for his half cocked stunt on EvE radio now. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 07:10:00 -
[4899] - Quote
yeah mittens should stop going after the gaming media, it's not like they're doing anything to hurt CCP and the eve community Don't mind me, I'm just adding content to threads that otherwise have none. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 07:13:00 -
[4900] - Quote
also he should just let the gaming media have an open season on his name because ~consequences~ Don't mind me, I'm just adding content to threads that otherwise have none. |
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Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
61
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Posted - 2012.04.02 07:28:00 -
[4901] - Quote
VaL Iscariot wrote:Mittens made a mistake, while drunk. Apologized to the community (which wasn't needed imo but whiny cearbears gonna whine) and privately apologized to "The Mackinaw Pilot."
I have no real opinion on Goonswarm or its CEO, but I take everything that comes from them with a grain of salt. Him stepping down from the CSM would be ******** and if you unsub because he doesn't(won't) then [...]
As a wiser man then me once said,
"deal with it~"
Edit: Inappropriate part removed, CCP Phantom
Demanding a resgnation is dealing with it, in case you were confused. Also, it wasnt a wise man that said that, but some belligerent old bastard who was incapable of providing a plausible explanation for his dooshbaggery.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1383
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Posted - 2012.04.02 07:44:00 -
[4902] - Quote
After viewing the posted replies of Mittani's 'People', I see no need to continue any discussion with them due to their *cough cough* insightful wisdom and *cough cough* profound logic.
But seriously, their continued posting is only creating more Die Hard's.
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Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
61
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Posted - 2012.04.02 07:53:00 -
[4903] - Quote
Yeep wrote:Tanaka Sekigahara wrote: Did he mean it or didnt he. Very simple, proof is in the pudding. Are goons still posting here or arent they? If he was sincere, he would have immediately had his goons stand down, inasmuch as if he thought it was wrong, he wouldnt have them defending him.
Its almost as if they're real people with their own opinions. Shocking I know. Almost, but not quite. Real people Know when to STFU. Children, prepubescent teens and frustrated adolescents, meh, not so much.Children often mistake their attention demanding gibberish and prattle for opinions. It's a common failing amongst them. Although, I think the implication was not that they were undisciplined children who cant follow a command directive, but rather, no directive was ever issued. Either way, it's rather damning. |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
713
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Posted - 2012.04.02 07:57:00 -
[4904] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:yeah mittens should stop going after the gaming media, it's not like they're doing anything to hurt CCP and the eve community
Hes making it worse by going in half cocked and having his PEOPLE threaten people.
I dont know if you know this but you dont get rid of the stigma of bully by doing more bullying! Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
61
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Posted - 2012.04.02 07:57:00 -
[4905] - Quote
I havent read the forums for a few days but am I to understand that the Goons were scolded and have gone sulking off to their rooms? If so, what could be more telling. |
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
61
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Posted - 2012.04.02 08:17:00 -
[4906] - Quote
ExhumeToConsume wrote:bl4ckL0tus wrote:well i feel like u showed ure true colours ... and beeing evil ingame as well in real life ... ppl can see u know and u can go sit in ure corner and not blame the alchool for ure behaviour. GET A REALITY PILL and realise what u done its not going to be repaired with a simple : i`m sorry. Get off any leadership position u dont deserve to be in one and realise what u`ve done. kk thx 1 Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. 2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with [his] finger wrote on the ground, [as though he heard them not]. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard [it], being convicted by [their own] conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, [even] unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. So, now that we have confirmed that you have accepted the Mittani as your personal savior, and Divinity, I would ask what the **** is wrong with you that you find him Christlike? I find, by his actions, his words, and his deeds, he has more in common with the other fella. Do unto others and you would have them do unto you.A goons blessing be upon you, that at an unexpted time in your life, many years from now, at an unexpected place, and by people you dont expect it from, you are publicly, and permanantly, deballed. Peace be with you.May you ever keep the Mittani in your heart, and may you ever follow his ways, all the days of your life.
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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2012.04.02 09:17:00 -
[4907] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012 |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.04.02 09:26:00 -
[4908] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:yeah mittens should stop going after the gaming media, it's not like they're doing anything to hurt CCP and the eve community Hes making it worse by going in half cocked and having his PEOPLE threaten people. I dont know if you know this but you dont get rid of the stigma of bully by doing more bullying! never stop posting about mittens |
Jita Alt666
981
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Posted - 2012.04.02 09:42:00 -
[4909] - Quote
Trolls be a trolling the trolls who think they be a trolling. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1383
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Posted - 2012.04.02 10:12:00 -
[4910] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012 Wow,
All I can say is WTF? |
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Sirion Fujiwara
Aliastra Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.04.02 11:19:00 -
[4911] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012
Oh yeah....
Not premeditated at all! No no....
It was all a spur of the moment sort of thing! Uhuh....!
Oh, and alchohol was to blaim... mainly.... No really, it was!! Along with Icelandic culture. Yup, definitely!
Good job CCP Soundwave, for catching this early (as in, two weeks before fanfest when you first heard it) and making sure that the CSM 'performance' was cleaned up. NOT!
You really do like attention, don't you? Almost as much as your buddy, the cyber bully, Alex Gianturco.
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Pertuabo Enkidgan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.04.02 11:42:00 -
[4912] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMIAG5-bPG0
:D |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1384
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Posted - 2012.04.02 12:18:00 -
[4913] - Quote
Pertuabo Enkidgan wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMIAG5-bPG0
:D
lol, I remember that song. It was in a movie musical called Robin And The 7 Hoods. |
Starfall Achura
Angels of Achura
1
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Posted - 2012.04.02 14:17:00 -
[4914] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012 Wow, All I can say is WTF?
WOW!!!!!
I never believed the apology was sincere but I did give him the benefit of the doubt with respect to the "kill yourself" statement being off the cuff.
What...a...tool... |
ILikeMarkets
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
91
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:34:00 -
[4915] - Quote
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:I don't recall him trying to blame it on alcohol, do you? The Mittani wrote:except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said (as anyone who was there can tell you). When I came to the forums the other day and saw threads complaining about my behavior - not remembering what I'd said - I assumed that I was enduring the usual anti-Goonswarm trolls, and posted something like "deal with it~" in my usual "The Mittani" way. now he did go on to say..... The Mittani wrote: while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine.
but that doesn't really work. see, that's what people attached to reality and not full of BS call "talking out of both sides of your mouth" I would add to that, my extensive experience in life has taught me when people say "I was so drunk I don't remember" what they are really saying is "god I hope they blame the booze and not me, because i remember that **** and I'm embarassed of myself."the world is so full of bullshit artists it becomes easy to think the above is an apology. but it isn't, it's a deflection. he's trying to compartmentalize his apology to save face, instead of doing what he should be: apologizing for what he has chosen to (consistently) be. see also: his (paraphrasing) "i can separate how i treat ppl via a keyboard from how i treat them with a microphone" as if there is a difference. he might believe that lie enough if he keeps repeating it, but i don't think many others are buying
Doesn't help that the slide was made prior to the drinking... . |
My Neutral Toon
Knights Who Til Recently Said Ni
85
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:42:00 -
[4916] - Quote
Tanaka, Have you noticed that all of your posts are just you talking down to everyone like your this Moral God or something? STFU, HTFU and GTFO ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... |
Myobi Rush
The Ostrogoths Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.02 15:50:00 -
[4917] - Quote
Helicity Boston got perma banned for saying "Die in a fire."
Mittens get 30 days ban for trying to get somebody to commit suicide IRL.
Logic, I don't see it. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
758
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:03:00 -
[4918] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012
No, no, no! He was drunk while saying that too... right? Or it was because of wearing too many hats, yeah... that's it!
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Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
40
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:04:00 -
[4919] - Quote
"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. It means nothing. I am neither surprised nor shocked that a CCP employee may have heard it and did nothing. He had probably completely forgotten about it five minutes later. I would have.
But this whole phony outrage over nothing seems to go on forever. The only truly outrageous thing that happened is that Mittani was thrown under the bus by CCP. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:14:00 -
[4920] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:also he should just let the gaming media have an open season on his name because ~consequences~
Yea we should totally drop it and forget it. cause ~noconsequences for being stupid and blaming it on being drunk
amidoinitrite? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:17:00 -
[4921] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012
NICE I love all the times he says "we want them to kill themselves". shows some true remorse there
Myobi Rush wrote:Helicity Boston got perma banned for saying "Die in a fire."
Mittens get 30 days ban for trying to get somebody to commit suicide IRL.
Logic, I don't see it.
Note the fact Helicity is not banned. Guess what would happen to mittens unfortionately especially with precedence https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Sirion Fujiwara
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:21:00 -
[4922] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012 NICE I love all the times he says "we want them to kill themselves". shows some true remorse there
Lol. Yeah. Talk about being outed, after his phoney contrition and fake apologies. Hilarious. The guy is a pathological liar - in character as well as out of character.
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
195
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:26:00 -
[4923] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. A lot of us actually do care, and would rather people did not use that sort of language.
Kindly don't make claims that "nobody" cares when it is actually just you and your permanently adolescent peer group, who think that the more people someone offends, the cooler they are. 10k votes is something like 4 % of possible votes, I believe... |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:28:00 -
[4924] - Quote
Sirion Fujiwara wrote:
Lol. Yeah. Talk about being outed, after his phoney contrition and fake apologies. Hilarious. The guy is a pathological liar - in character as well as out of character.
"well he WAS a lawyer and IS a politician"
--typical response
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. A lot of us actually do care, and would rather people did not use that sort of language. Kindly don't make claims that "nobody" cares when it is actually just you and your permanently adolescent peer group, who think that the more people someone offends, the cooler they are. 10k votes is something like 4 % of possible votes, I believe...
And that typical keyboard, internet bravado. You arent going to express such views within arms length of anyone. And please, no internet bravado that you would Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
RogueMind
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:28:00 -
[4925] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. It means nothing.
It only means something right now because it gives anyone done-in by Goons more ammo. Just wait for Jitageddon. The tears, low blows, and accusations from them will be amazing.
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Twil Akachi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:33:00 -
[4926] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. A lot of us actually do care, and would rather people did not use that sort of language. Kindly don't make claims that "nobody" cares when it is actually just you and your permanently adolescent peer group, who think that the more people someone offends, the cooler they are. 10k votes is something like 4 % of possible votes, I believe... You care about language used in reference to a video game. Get over yourself. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:40:00 -
[4927] - Quote
Twil Akachi wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. A lot of us actually do care, and would rather people did not use that sort of language. Kindly don't make claims that "nobody" cares when it is actually just you and your permanently adolescent peer group, who think that the more people someone offends, the cooler they are. 10k votes is something like 4 % of possible votes, I believe... You care about language used in reference to a video game. Get over yourself.
People in video games are .... people!
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stoicfaux
908
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:41:00 -
[4928] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012 Non-issue. It's all about context. The audio is about a "humorous" theme. (Tacky and tasteless, but "humorous.")
Fanfest was "let's deliberately encourage a potentially unstable individual into suicide" which is serious and irresponsible.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Twil Akachi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:42:00 -
[4929] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:Twil Akachi wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. A lot of us actually do care, and would rather people did not use that sort of language. Kindly don't make claims that "nobody" cares when it is actually just you and your permanently adolescent peer group, who think that the more people someone offends, the cooler they are. 10k votes is something like 4 % of possible votes, I believe... You care about language used in reference to a video game. Get over yourself. People in video games are .... people! Debatable. |
Baellis
United Salvation CROATOAN.
0
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:49:00 -
[4930] - Quote
Thanks for having the Guts to stand up and Appologize, i give you props for that, i do have one suggestion, i know fanfest is a blast when you are drunk as hell, but i think it would be better if u started drinking after your presentation. just a thought |
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Avila Cracko
287
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:50:00 -
[4931] - Quote
Sirion Fujiwara wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012 NICE I love all the times he says "we want them to kill themselves". shows some true remorse there Lol. Yeah. Talk about being outed, after his phoney contrition and fake apologies. Hilarious. The guy is a pathological liar - in character as well as out of character.
I love to hear a word "suicide" truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:53:00 -
[4932] - Quote
stoicfaux wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012 Non-issue. It's all about context. The audio is about a "humorous" theme. (Tacky and tasteless, but "humorous.") Fanfest was "let's deliberately encourage a potentially unstable individual into suicide" which is serious and irresponsible.
I'm not suggesting the video is evidence of premeditation. However, I think it's damn good evidence of the problematic state of mind that manifested itself at fanfest, a state of mind where you deliberately aim to offend people by saying things that are transgressive and edgy but then fail to remember exactly why society considers such comments transgressive in the first place. If you get used to the idea that there is just nothing really wrong with the language of calling for someone's suicide you have put youself in a psychological place where it is going to be VERY VERY difficult to police when it really is DEFINITELY inappropriate to use such language. What was said at Fanfest was meant to be humourous as well. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
79
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Posted - 2012.04.02 16:53:00 -
[4933] - Quote
Twil Akachi wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:Twil Akachi wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. A lot of us actually do care, and would rather people did not use that sort of language. Kindly don't make claims that "nobody" cares when it is actually just you and your permanently adolescent peer group, who think that the more people someone offends, the cooler they are. 10k votes is something like 4 % of possible votes, I believe... You care about language used in reference to a video game. Get over yourself. People in video games are .... people! Debatable.
Indeed, no human could be this cruel to one another. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
527
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Posted - 2012.04.02 17:03:00 -
[4934] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. It means nothing. I am neither surprised nor shocked that a CCP employee may have heard it and did nothing. He had probably completely forgotten about it five minutes later. I would have.
But this whole phony outrage over nothing seems to go on forever. The only truly outrageous thing that happened is that Mittani was thrown under the bus by CCP.
I believe Mittani walked under a bus . pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
527
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Posted - 2012.04.02 17:03:00 -
[4935] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Trolls be a trolling the trolls who think they be a trolling.
you are trolling ,right? pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1435
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Posted - 2012.04.02 17:05:00 -
[4936] - Quote
Any chance of this entire topic just dying out any time soon? ****...as much as I love to hate on Goons and especially Mittani, this is just getting old. Nobody is going to change opinions in this thread. That much is clear. If God himself came down and made a declaration one way or the other, everybody would still firmly believe whatever they want. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Hamshoe
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.04.02 17:07:00 -
[4937] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. It means nothing. I am neither surprised nor shocked that a CCP employee may have heard it and did nothing. He had probably completely forgotten about it five minutes later. I would have.
But this whole phony outrage over nothing seems to go on forever. The only truly outrageous thing that happened is that Mittani was thrown under the bus by CCP. I believe Mittani walked under a bus .
Thrown under a bus, kicked off a cliff, and then nailed to a cross. Just ask him.
But don't worry, he understands how angry you are about what happened to him. |
Twil Akachi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.04.02 17:08:00 -
[4938] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Any chance of this entire topic just dying out any time soon? ****...as much as I love to hate on Goons and especially Mittani, this is just getting old. Nobody is going to change opinions in this thread. That much is clear. If God himself came down and made a declaration one way or the other, everybody would still firmly believe whatever they want. I'd like to keep it going if for no other reason that to continually point out how completely unhinged pinkoperator is. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
527
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Posted - 2012.04.02 17:22:00 -
[4939] - Quote
Hamshoe wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. It means nothing. I am neither surprised nor shocked that a CCP employee may have heard it and did nothing. He had probably completely forgotten about it five minutes later. I would have.
But this whole phony outrage over nothing seems to go on forever. The only truly outrageous thing that happened is that Mittani was thrown under the bus by CCP. I believe Mittani walked under a bus . Thrown under a bus, kicked off a cliff, and then nailed to a cross. Just ask him. But don't worry, he understands how angry you are about what happened to him.
I don,t care about the Mittani and i don,t care about the Goonies But i did see the fanfest videos . Never saw a ccp dev putting a piece of paper in his hand just before he said the things this community is so mad about. He alone is responsible for what he decides to say at a place as fanfest. Nobodyis throwing him under a bus. He started the bus ,drove the bus and jumped through the windshield ,to get under the bus pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1389
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Posted - 2012.04.02 17:29:00 -
[4940] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. It means nothing. I am neither surprised nor shocked that a CCP employee may have heard it and did nothing. He had probably completely forgotten about it five minutes later. I would have.
But this whole phony outrage over nothing seems to go on forever. The only truly outrageous thing that happened is that Mittani was thrown under the bus by CCP. Sorry, not buying it.
Most players I know refer to killing the ingame character as "Did they pod you?" or "I got podded" or "Go pod yourself". New players usually say "I got killed" or "I'm gonna kill em" when their ship gets blown up which usually gets a response, "Were you podded?" or "You gonna pod em?". Then an explanation ensues describing how ships get blown up and avatars get podded which is terminology they quickly start using.
I don't see that in The Alliance Panel video or in this :
Quote:The Mittani : The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012
What I see is someone making statements wanting people to kill themselves due to them playing the game differently. |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
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Posted - 2012.04.02 17:34:00 -
[4941] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Kindly don't make claims that "nobody" cares when it is actually just you and your permanently adolescent peer group, who think that the more people someone offends, the cooler they are. 10k votes is something like 4 % of possible votes, I believe...
And that typical keyboard, internet bravado. You arent going to express such views within arms length of anyone. And please, no internet bravado that you would I would go on stage at Fanfest and say the same. But you are right, I might not express such opinions within arms length of a mob of said permanently adolescent wannabe thugs, if I was not in a place where I did not count on people to interfere on the behalf of my physical safety. I believe that says more about the behavior such a mob has presented so far than of myself, though. Unfortunately experience shows that mobs who use verbal bullying excessively will also resort to physical violence if provoked enough.
You're so cool. You stood up to a hypothetical mob and condemned their hypothetical behavior!
You're so cool. You shiptoasted in a thread where the OP has no ability to retort, along with thousands of other chowderheads all frothing at the mouth over somebody whose playstyle they didn't like!!
You're so cool. I bet you do a lot of motivational speaking in jails and prisons about theft, murder, and the unwieldy feelings they tend to generate. You care so much it just shines right through!!!
Internet bravado? Nah, that's pure panache. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Twil Akachi
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:05:00 -
[4942] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Twil Akachi wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. A lot of us actually do care, and would rather people did not use that sort of language. Kindly don't make claims that "nobody" cares when it is actually just you and your permanently adolescent peer group, who think that the more people someone offends, the cooler they are. 10k votes is something like 4 % of possible votes, I believe... You care about language used in reference to a video game. Get over yourself. Yes I do and yes others do too. People in videogames are actual people. Get over yourself. You take a video game far too seriously. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1389
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:06:00 -
[4943] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:
You're so cool. You shiptoasted in a thread where the OP has no ability to retort, along with thousands of other chowderheads all frothing at the mouth over somebody whose playstyle they didn't like!!
Actually Mittani has been doing a lot of retorts. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:09:00 -
[4944] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
You're so cool. You shiptoasted in a thread where the OP has no ability to retort, along with thousands of other chowderheads all frothing at the mouth over somebody whose playstyle they didn't like!!
Actually........
reference...
my...
sig...
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
124
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:14:00 -
[4945] - Quote
bumping for lols Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
716
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:18:00 -
[4946] - Quote
Its just becoming more clear that the HATs thing isnt accurate.
That there is a lot less distance between whom the mittani and alex are fundamentally.
Video of course has been pulled but it was pretty clear that the on stage performance was most likely the real Alex. Not him being the mittani.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
26
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:25:00 -
[4947] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Apology Can I just clear one thing up?
You are expecting us to believe that because you were drinking at the alliance panel, you made a mistake and took the p*** out of someone, even though you made the presentation beforehand?
How did you premptively set up a drunken slideshow? Was there time travel involved?
Man up, and admit that what you did you did out of spite, and you did on purpose. You are not sorry, you are ashamed and want to make yourself feel better. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
760
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:27:00 -
[4948] - Quote
Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012
What a surprise. The video has been removed. If nothing was wrong with it, why would the owner remove it?
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RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
717
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:30:00 -
[4949] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012 What a surprise. The video has been removed. If nothing was wrong with it, why would the owner remove it?
Destruction of evidence basically.
Which in itself is more damning. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:35:00 -
[4950] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:What a surprise. The video has been removed. If nothing was wrong with it, why would the owner remove it?
Bury the hatchet already. You're dragging CCP Soundwave, a developer, into this. Consider the fact that you are threatening somebody's livelihood over an in-game grudge. |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:37:00 -
[4951] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012 What a surprise. The video has been removed. If nothing was wrong with it, why would the owner remove it? Destruction of evidence basically. Which in itself is more damning.
You imply that a crime was commited, when in fact one was not.
Evidence is only "evidence" if there is an investigation. Otherwise it's just ****. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
717
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:45:00 -
[4952] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:The Mittani wrote: The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTRQ05Bqq_E c. 7.00 to 7.40. Source uploaded to Youtube 27th January 2012 What a surprise. The video has been removed. If nothing was wrong with it, why would the owner remove it? Destruction of evidence basically. Which in itself is more damning. You imply that a crime was commited, when in fact one was not. Evidence is only "evidence" if there is an investigation. Otherwise it's just ****.
You do know you can use the term DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE outside of legal reasons or investigation or a crime.
It literally was destruction of evidence showing his behavior and character as a person. It doesn't only apply to legal usage.
Holy crap no one can be this dumb. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1437
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:51:00 -
[4953] - Quote
At this rate Mittani can log back on and post in his own 5000 page thread. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
198
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:53:00 -
[4954] - Quote
Twil Akachi wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Twil Akachi wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. A lot of us actually do care, and would rather people did not use that sort of language. Kindly don't make claims that "nobody" cares when it is actually just you and your permanently adolescent peer group, who think that the more people someone offends, the cooler they are. 10k votes is something like 4 % of possible votes, I believe... You care about language used in reference to a video game. Get over yourself. Yes I do and yes others do too. People in videogames are actual people. Get over yourself. You take a video game far too seriously. Well.
I do not like people telling other people to go kill themselves in parties, at a gym, in a bus, on IRC, on Google+, on the streets. Does that mean I take parties, gyms, buses, IRC, G+ and streets "too seriously"? Why would a videogame environment be any different than any of the other places? It is, after all, just like you like to say, "just a game". It is just a thing I do in my life, for my pastime. Why would I not want the same standards of behavior from random strangers in it that I want in other pastimes? |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:55:00 -
[4955] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:You do know you can use the term DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE outside of legal reasons or investigation or a crime.
It literally was destruction of evidence showing his behavior and character as a person. It doesn't only apply to legal usage.
Holy crap no one can be this dumb.
By your definition, anybody who ever deletes an internet video has destroyed evidence.
That means that anybody who's ever deleted an internet video is also obviouly more damned than they were before the internet videos were deleted.
Because you never know why somebody would destroy some evidence...
Yes, apparently somebody is just this dumb. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
717
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:01:00 -
[4956] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:RougeOperator wrote:You do know you can use the term DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE outside of legal reasons or investigation or a crime.
It literally was destruction of evidence showing his behavior and character as a person. It doesn't only apply to legal usage.
Holy crap no one can be this dumb. By your definition, anybody who ever deletes an internet video has destroyed evidence. That means that anybody who's ever deleted an internet video is also obviouly more damned than they were before the internet videos were deleted. Because you never know why somebody would destroy some evidence... Yes, apparently somebody is just this dumb.
If they are removing it in response to criticism to hide from the criticism...
Yes. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
199
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:02:00 -
[4957] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:You're so cool. You shiptoasted in a thread where the OP has no ability to retort, along with thousands of other chowderheads all frothing at the mouth over somebody whose playstyle they didn't like!! Not gonna answer this stuff otherwise, but if you actually bothered to read what I have been writing, you will notice that my words to Mittani were "apology accepted" and that I have repeatedly stated that I wish people'd leave him alone already and concentrate on talking what the rest of us should learn from this. I have also repeatedly said that I have no issue with the goon playstyle (such as blowing up mining ships and wanting to cause havoc in Jita), only with how it is spoken of.
EDITed to add: When I wish people'd leave him alone already in these threads, that includes you. There was absolutely no reason to drag him up in a response to me when the discussion had already moved on and I did not talk about him at all. Your problem is that you are so convinced to see the whole discussion in terms of pro- and anti-your-glorious-leader that you have put me into one of your imaginary camps of war and totally miss my actual point.
Further flames will not be answered. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
519
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:04:00 -
[4958] - Quote
Still going? Nice.
Now run along and play killing people, while abjectly hating people who kill people in a game because what you do in game actively represents what you do and are in real life. Am I right?
In real life I am an evil ruthless spaceship captain overseeing the deaths of thousands daily. Its great fun but for relaxation when I get home at night I often play a spaceship captain who oversees the deaths of thousands. I am a sociopath because in a game I like to kill people. Thousands of them. I kill them and I am glad they died.
I also occasionally play call of duty online, I dont really talk on comms on these games but I love to listen to all the people screaming "Die you c**ksuck*r, Jes*s Fu** I hate all you *****t ni**ers go and kill yourself!" I then phone the police and report all the players for inciting someone to suicide as well as racism and discrimination against peoples sexuality.
By contrast Eve players are quite polite. This is an observation on the gaming world, neither a justification for anyones actions nor an angry retort, simply observation. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
44
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:31:00 -
[4959] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Well.
I do not like people telling other people to go kill themselves at parties, at a gym, in a bus, on IRC, on Google+, on the streets. Does that mean I take parties, gyms, buses, IRC, G+ and streets "too seriously"? Why would a videogame environment be any different than any of the other places? It is, after all, just like you like to say, "just a game". It is just a thing I do in my life, for my pastime. Why would I not want the same standards of behavior from random strangers in it that I want in other pastimes?
Let me counter this: what makes this game so serious for you that you think it should be the exception to normal standards of behavior between adults? If it is "just a game", should we all not behave like we were, well, just playing a game, instead of making serious business about offending as many people as possible?
Because EVE is a culture. EVE has its own vernacular, its own behaviors, and even its own music. What other people see as terrible griefing actions, like scamming, we proudly beat our chests to and claim that its amazing player-made content.'
EVE even has its own Morality. It has been philosophized that morality is not a static entity, but one that changes with time, location, culture, and individuals for thousands of years, and yet people still seem stuck in the idea of "My morality is the only morality".
Vulgarity is part of EVE's culture. CCP, to a degree, accepts this. The player base accepts this. Even some of the media accepts this. So here's a question for you: Why can't you? |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:32:00 -
[4960] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Well.
I do not like people telling other people to go kill themselves at parties, at a gym, in a bus, on IRC, on Google+, on the streets. Does that mean I take parties, gyms, buses, IRC, G+ and streets "too seriously"? Why would a videogame environment be any different than any of the other places? It is, after all, just like you like to say, "just a game". It is just a thing I do in my life, for my pastime. Why would I not want the same standards of behavior from random strangers in it that I want in other pastimes?
Let me counter this: what makes this game so serious for you that you think it should be the exception to normal standards of behavior between adults? If it is "just a game", should we all not behave like we were, well, just playing a game, instead of making serious business about offending as many people as possible?
Because EVE is a culture,. EVE has its own vernacular, its own behaviors, and even its own music. What other people see as terrible griefing actions, like scamming, we proudly beat our chests to and claim that its amazing player-made content.' EVE even has its own Morality. It has been philosophized that morality is not a static entity, but one that changes with time, location, culture, and individuals for thousands of years, and yet people still seem stuck in the idea of "My morality is the only morality". Vulgarity is part of EVE's culture. CCP, to a degree, accepts this. The player base accepts this. Even some of the media accepts this. So here's a question for you: Why can't you?
Not to mention that the original comment in question was about actions in the context of a Role Playing Game.
Prove he meant otherwise. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
399
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:50:00 -
[4961] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:
Not to mention that the original comment in question was about actions in the context of a Role Playing Game.
Prove he meant otherwise.
Prove he meant it in the context of a Role Playing Game.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
44
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:51:00 -
[4962] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
Not to mention that the original comment in question was about actions in the context of a Role Playing Game.
Prove he meant otherwise.
Prove he meant it in the context of a Role Playing Game.
~Roleplayers~ never break character.
Done. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
199
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:52:00 -
[4963] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
Not to mention that the original comment in question was about actions in the context of a Role Playing Game.
Prove he meant otherwise.
Prove he meant it in the context of a Role Playing Game. ~Roleplayers~ never break character. Done. Um, yes we do. :P
One of the things that makes roleplay roleplay, as opposed to someone taking on a game persona that is not really a separate character but an aspect of themselves they use in the game context, is that roleplayers separate between in- and out-of-character.
EDITed: that was such a bizarre claim it has to be a troll, right? |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
45
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:53:00 -
[4964] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
Not to mention that the original comment in question was about actions in the context of a Role Playing Game.
Prove he meant otherwise.
Prove he meant it in the context of a Role Playing Game. ~Roleplayers~ never break character. Done.
I'm just a dude, playing a dude, disguised as another dude.
/relevant I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
519
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:54:00 -
[4965] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
Not to mention that the original comment in question was about actions in the context of a Role Playing Game.
Prove he meant otherwise.
Prove he meant it in the context of a Role Playing Game.
Because he was at a convention about a role playing game. Talking about a role playing game.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
44
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:54:00 -
[4966] - Quote
Rath Kelbore wrote:
I'm just a dude, playing a dude, disguised as another dude.
/relevant
This thread is now about Tropic Thunder. I thought it was pretty bad. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:59:00 -
[4967] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
Not to mention that the original comment in question was about actions in the context of a Role Playing Game.
Prove he meant otherwise.
Prove he meant it in the context of a Role Playing Game.
I'm not the accuser. The onus of proof rests squarely on his accusers.
Ball ---> your court. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
27
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:04:00 -
[4968] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:
I'm just a dude, playing a dude, disguised as another dude.
/relevant
This thread is now about Tropic Thunder. I thought it was pretty bad. It was... ok I suppose.
Anyway, While I agree that EVE and games in general in fact bring their own behavious and players can do what they chose to do, the way I see it, poeple put real money into playing this game (subscription costs) and deserve a little respect. Now if you scam someone iin game or smacktalk with them fair enough, but when they are clearly taking it hard out of game, then back off a bit. Taking the p*** out of them in public like that is immature and irresponsible and thats that.
On top of this, the CSM is supposed to be made of the people that we trust to keep eve progessing. You lot (goons) may want some massively elitist enviroment where you do what you want, but all you are doing is making sure new players don't want to stick around. We need new players to keep the game growing and stop it from stagnating, so a CSM leader that alienates and harrasses new players is definitely not what I want to see. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
44
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:05:00 -
[4969] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote: It was... ok I suppose.
Anyway, While I agree that EVE and games in general in fact bring their own behavious and players can do what they chose to do, the way I see it, poeple put real money into playing this game (subscription costs) and deserve a little respect. Now if you scam someone iin game or smacktalk with them fair enough, but when they are clearly taking it hard out of game, then back off a bit. Taking the p*** out of them in public like that is immature and irresponsible and thats that.
On top of this, the CSM is supposed to be made of the people that we trust to keep eve progessing. You lot (goons) may want some massively elitist enviroment where you do what you want, but all you are doing is making sure new players don't want to stick around. We need new players to keep the game growing and stop it from stagnating, so a CSM leader that alienates and harrasses new players is definitely not what I want to see.
You were doing so well until the second paragraph. |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
27
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:09:00 -
[4970] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:You were doing so well until the second paragraph. Would you like to expand on that in any way? Or is it just "I feel your point is inalid and must be right as I much like Mittani like to abuse noobs"
I have to say too by the way - If the mittani was like
EPIC STORY ...and that is how I scammed 30 billion isk from a massive corporation and brought them crying to their knees!
I'd be like... Nice!
but hes done the equivalent of
NOT SO EPIC STORY ...and that's how I mugged an old lady for her bus fare as she was having an asthma attack in the street.
Its not exacly a challenge to scam noobs and make them cry. |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:13:00 -
[4971] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:You were doing so well until the second paragraph. Would you like to expand on that in any way? Or is it just "I feel your point is inalid and must be right as I much like Mittani like to abuse noobs" I have to say too by the way - If the mittani was like EPIC STORY ...and that is how I scammed 30 billion isk from a massive corporation and brought them crying to their knees! I'd be like... Nice! but hes done the equivalent of NOT SO EPIC STORY ...and that's how I mugged an old lady for her bus fare as she was having an asthma attack in the street. Its not exacly a challenge to scam noobs and make them cry.
22 macks - same dude. The story's pretty freaking epic. This guy was no noob.
Comparing that to mugging an old lady?
Priceless. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Jita Alt666
982
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:17:00 -
[4972] - Quote
If the Mittani was a true goon his apology would have contained this link:
Metallica So What
We all know the song, we all know what it means, if you don't like it don't don't click the link. |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
27
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:21:00 -
[4973] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:You were doing so well until the second paragraph. Would you like to expand on that in any way? Or is it just "I feel your point is inalid and must be right as I much like Mittani like to abuse noobs" I have to say too by the way - If the mittani was like EPIC STORY ...and that is how I scammed 30 billion isk from a massive corporation and brought them crying to their knees! I'd be like... Nice! but hes done the equivalent of NOT SO EPIC STORY ...and that's how I mugged an old lady for her bus fare as she was having an asthma attack in the street. Its not exacly a challenge to scam noobs and make them cry. 22 macks - same dude. The story's pretty freaking epic. This guy was no noob. Comparing that to mugging an old lady? Priceless. Of course hes a noob. For starters he trusted the word of goons. The point is, people like that get scammed all the time. It's not a challenge to do. So why would anyone want to listen to some high and mighty ******* going on about how it made the guy upset? Basically Mittani likes to have fun at the expense of weaker individuals, which is pretty much the definition of a bully.
Seriously, I hope Mittani grows up a bit before he gets back, cos he really needs to. |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:22:00 -
[4974] - Quote
So the horse is already deep under the earth and this is still going?
Gosh, isnt all that had to be said, been said already?
Swinging weenies ftw? ~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1441
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:23:00 -
[4975] - Quote
This is no longer a "threadnaught". This thread shall hereto be referred to as "threadzilla"! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
44
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:23:00 -
[4976] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:You were doing so well until the second paragraph. Would you like to expand on that in any way?
The part where you said that Goons do nothing to help new players. The CFC, Goons and TEST especially, love new players. The CFC is pretty much the opposite of what you described. Generally the people who get scammed or blown up by "Goons and Friends" are actually people who have played the game for years.
Also, Mittens did tell the epic story of how he scammed billions of ISK, at fanfest. More precisely, he gave a shout out to a Goon who sold 7 Supers that didn't exist. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
137
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:27:00 -
[4977] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Any chance of this entire topic just dying out any time soon? ****...as much as I love to hate on Goons and especially Mittani, this is just getting old. Nobody is going to change opinions in this thread. That much is clear. If God himself came down and made a declaration one way or the other, everybody would still firmly believe whatever they want.
yes....
smoke screen
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Jita Alt666
982
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:27:00 -
[4978] - Quote
This is now a widot thread? |
Welsige
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:29:00 -
[4979] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Any chance of this entire topic just dying out any time soon? ****...as much as I love to hate on Goons and especially Mittani, this is just getting old. Nobody is going to change opinions in this thread. That much is clear. If God himself came down and made a declaration one way or the other, everybody would still firmly believe whatever they want. yes.... smoke screen
Ban God. ~ 10.058 ~
Free The Mittani |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
27
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:30:00 -
[4980] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:You were doing so well until the second paragraph. Would you like to expand on that in any way? The part where you said that Goons do nothing to help new players. The CFC, and Goons and TEST especially, love new players. The CFC is pretty much the opposite of what you described. Generally the people who get scammed or blown up by "Goons and Friends" are actually people who have played the game for years. Also, Mittens did tell the epic story of how he scammed billions of ISK, at fanfest. More precisely, he gave a shout out to a Goon who sold 7 Supers that didn't exist. And I don't deny that the 7 supers story was epic. I'm saying that taking the p*** out of someone that clearly and without a doubt is upset in a very out of game fashion is going TOO FAR.
You only like noobs, cos their easy to scam. I've met plenty of people that have played the game for the trial and said they didn't like it becasue it felt too elitist. They felt they come in, have to question everything for it beign a scam, then the second they trust anyone longer than a second get everythign taken from them, and that's just no fun.
If it wasn't for the fact that I've been around for a very long time, have ~12 active characters and know what the hell I'm doing (albeit there have been times I've been caught out... cheers for the 2 bil loss Mulcahy!), I might be gone too inn their shoes. |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:31:00 -
[4981] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:You were doing so well until the second paragraph. Would you like to expand on that in any way? The part where you said that Goons do nothing to help new players. The CFC, and Goons and TEST especially, love new players. The CFC is pretty much the opposite of what you described. Generally the people who get scammed or blown up by "Goons and Friends" are actually people who have played the game for years. Also, Mittens did tell the epic story of how he scammed billions of ISK, at fanfest. More precisely, he gave a shout out to a Goon who sold 7 Supers that didn't exist. And I don't deny that the 7 supers story was epic. I'm saying that taking the p*** out of someone that clearly and without a doubt is upset in a very out of game fashion is going TOO FAR. You only like noobs, cos their easy to scam. I've met plenty of people that have played the game for the trial and said they didn't like it becasue it felt too elitist. They felt they come in, have to question everything for it beign a scam, then the second they trust anyone longer than a second get everythign taken from them, and that's just no fun. If it wasn't for the fact that I've been around for a very long time, have ~12 active characters and know what the hell I'm doing (albeit there have been times I've been caught out... cheers for the 2 bil loss Mulcahy!), I might be gone too inn their shoes.
U MAD BRO? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
27
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:33:00 -
[4982] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Stuff.
U MAD BRO?[/quote] Negatory. |
Pike Armer
MidKin
0
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:34:00 -
[4983] - Quote
Been playing games since pong.
Just started playing this game 2 months ago and heard about this on mintchiplol
Quick goggle search and omg wtf were you thinking..
But hey EVERYONE makes mistakes..It is how you deal with your mistakes that defines you ..
I thought your apology was sincere ,contrite and deserved..You crossed a line (rl vs the internet) and you owned up to it. It was of course an uncalled for attack using extremely personal info that frankly put yourself in the worst personal light...I was impressed by how candid you were and how you took responsibilty for your actions, without resorting to excuses ..I intended to say as much.
In fact came to this forum to say just that. Kudos to you ....
However.... it seems you started drinking again and...
You changed your tune completely when you got your punishment ... Got a pretty light ban imo ( 30 days) ... Lost some player /ccp position..I thought you got off light tbh and if it had been just some nobody I would bet they would be permabanned.....Could easily have been a perma ban (would have been in some games) imo but whatever ... Very reasonable and you had a chance to take your medicine like a man and move on ...Which would have been highly commendable .
However right before I posted, i just watched some vid of you acting like the "victim" , ...Basically whining about the result of your own actions. eg your punishment.....Saying you were ****** and how "they" are trying to make you quit and destroy your corp..Which of course isnt true in the slightest. Take the tin foil hat off please.. ..
I say they could easily have perma banned you for what ya did. In fact in some western countries you are getting into a very grey legal area and that person would have some recourse.....It is all well and good if he doesnt do something stupid after beening perma griefed by hundreds of your guildies at your request in order to get a disgusting result which you publically stated.
However if he does go off the deep end ( and no one can predict that ) and he left a note with you name on it ..Well lets just say your eve ban would cease to be a concern of yours. It would not have been the first time regretful words turned someones entire world upside down and you getting "f**ked" might become literally true.
When you find yourself in a hole , stop digging..
You should have left it alone after the apology..By not, and acting like a spoiled child , you are practically begging for further action to be taken against you by CCP..Not smart..
Roleplaying in a game is a fun past time.
Standing on a stage with a mic in your hand inciting a large group of people to harm someone is not.
Grow up ..
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Lucas Kell
Fodder.
27
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:36:00 -
[4984] - Quote
Don't you worry about the goons losing their leader. He's got banned on The Mittani. What's the chances a guy that into EVE is solo accounting it? He's probably still playng his other 7 accounts just fine. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
47
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:36:00 -
[4985] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote: And I don't deny that the 7 supers story was epic. I'm saying that taking the p*** out of someone that clearly and without a doubt is upset in a very out of game fashion is going TOO FAR.
You only like noobs, cos their easy to scam. I've met plenty of people that have played the game for the trial and said they didn't like it becasue it felt too elitist. They felt they come in, have to question everything for it beign a scam, then the second they trust anyone longer than a second get everythign taken from them, and that's just no fun.
If it wasn't for the fact that I've been around for a very long time, have ~12 active characters and know what the hell I'm doing (albeit there have been times I've been caught out... cheers for the 2 bil loss Mulcahy!), I might be gone too inn their shoes.
The game does have a fairly steep learning curve, which is why Goons have a wiki with guides for new players that is publicly available. Admittedly, it is a tad outdated, I believe learning skills are still on there. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
137
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:38:00 -
[4986] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
Not to mention that the original comment in question was about actions in the context of a Role Playing Game.
Prove he meant otherwise.
Prove he meant it in the context of a Role Playing Game.
Really? So the action EVEN MITTENS says was a stupid thing to do, that even he pretended he thought was way out of line isnt? Also, lol @ RPing The lowest of the low in any MMO and youre actually using it as a defense
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
27
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:38:00 -
[4987] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: And I don't deny that the 7 supers story was epic. I'm saying that taking the p*** out of someone that clearly and without a doubt is upset in a very out of game fashion is going TOO FAR.
You only like noobs, cos their easy to scam. I've met plenty of people that have played the game for the trial and said they didn't like it becasue it felt too elitist. They felt they come in, have to question everything for it beign a scam, then the second they trust anyone longer than a second get everythign taken from them, and that's just no fun.
If it wasn't for the fact that I've been around for a very long time, have ~12 active characters and know what the hell I'm doing (albeit there have been times I've been caught out... cheers for the 2 bil loss Mulcahy!), I might be gone too inn their shoes.
The game does have a fairly steep learning curve, which is why Goons have a wiki with guides for new players that is publicly available. Admittedly, it is a tad outdated, I believe learning skills are still on there. Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away.. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
137
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:39:00 -
[4988] - Quote
Welsige wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Any chance of this entire topic just dying out any time soon? ****...as much as I love to hate on Goons and especially Mittani, this is just getting old. Nobody is going to change opinions in this thread. That much is clear. If God himself came down and made a declaration one way or the other, everybody would still firmly believe whatever they want. yes.... smoke screen Ban God.
Dude asked if this topic would die out, Id think it would in the face of CCP changing the rules to make it harder on suicide gankers
Which is more important to you guys, your Holy One getting banned for a whole entire month
or
them changing the nature of the sandbox?
Darth Gustav wrote:
U MAD BRO?
no but Goons are...
Lucas Kell wrote:Don't you worry about the goons losing their leader. He's got banned on The Mittani. What's the chances a guy that into EVE is solo accounting it? He's probably still playng his other 7 accounts just fine.
True, they should ban his IP, CC, bank account, etc (too many quotes) Lucas Kell: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away.
dont forget the part where yuo pay them RL money to join the forums to join their corp Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
27
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:45:00 -
[4989] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Don't you worry about the goons losing their leader. He's got banned on The Mittani. What's the chances a guy that into EVE is solo accounting it? He's probably still playng his other 7 accounts just fine. True, they should ban his IP, CC, bank account, etc
There'd be no point lol change IP -> Pay with PLEX -> Win
I'm sure a guy of his fame could borrow an account. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:47:00 -
[4990] - Quote
The Mittani is so meta he doesn't have to log in to Eve.
He can have a devastating impact on the game world from comms.
Not to mention Jabber, the forums...
Just to confirm: The Mittani is so meta you cannot actually ban him from Eve, no matter what.
This is truth. All bear witness. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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Jita Alt666
982
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:47:00 -
[4991] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away..
Your ignorance when claiming to operate 12 accounts and have been around for a long time is amusing. The goon wiki is the best new player reference in the game. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
48
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:48:00 -
[4992] - Quote
So ******* meta |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
137
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:49:00 -
[4993] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Don't you worry about the goons losing their leader. He's got banned on The Mittani. What's the chances a guy that into EVE is solo accounting it? He's probably still playng his other 7 accounts just fine. True, they should ban his IP, CC, bank account, etc There'd be no point lol change IP -> Pay with PLEX -> Win I'm sure a guy of his fame could borrow an account.
so its impossible to ever truely permaban a player is what youre saying?
well hell thats good to know lol dont have to care about rules anymore Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
27
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:52:00 -
[4994] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away..
Your ignorance when claiming to operate 12 accounts and have been around for a long time is amusing. The goon wiki is the best new player reference in the game. 12 Characters, not accounts, accounts is 5. I don't have to go and read something from the goons. I wouldn't trust any information they gave me so there would be no point in reading it. |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
27
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:54:00 -
[4995] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Don't you worry about the goons losing their leader. He's got banned on The Mittani. What's the chances a guy that into EVE is solo accounting it? He's probably still playng his other 7 accounts just fine. True, they should ban his IP, CC, bank account, etc There'd be no point lol change IP -> Pay with PLEX -> Win I'm sure a guy of his fame could borrow an account. so its impossible to ever truely permaban a player is what youre saying? well hell thats good to know lol dont have to care about rules anymore They can permaban your character. It's a deterrent to anyone with an old character. Unfortunately, all it means if you end up getting abuse from lots and lots of 2 month old character alts lol |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
48
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 20:56:00 -
[4996] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away..
Your ignorance when claiming to operate 12 accounts and have been around for a long time is amusing. The goon wiki is the best new player reference in the game. 12 Characters, not accounts, accounts is 5. I don't have to go and read something from the goons. I wouldn't trust any information they gave me so there would be no point in reading it. :tinfoil: |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
717
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 21:07:00 -
[4997] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:The Mittani is so meta he doesn't have to log in to Eve.
He can have a devastating impact on the game world from comms.
Not to mention Jabber, the forums...
Just to confirm: The Mittani is so meta you cannot actually ban him from Eve, no matter what.
This is truth. All bear witness.
Thats what restraining orders are for.
You can indeed ban him from EvE if they had too.
Sigh. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
504
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 21:08:00 -
[4998] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:The Mittani is so meta he doesn't have to log in to Eve.
He can have a devastating impact on the game world from comms.
Not to mention Jabber, the forums...
Just to confirm: The Mittani is so meta you cannot actually ban him from Eve, no matter what.
This is truth. All bear witness.
Damn Gustav, can you stick your nose farther up there?
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
3
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Posted - 2012.04.02 21:10:00 -
[4999] - Quote
This whole thread is breaking the Eula as it regards a ban. Talking about bans and petitions is against the law, for so say the ISD members closing threads.
Now, Please close this one to. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 21:11:00 -
[5000] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:The Mittani is so meta he doesn't have to log in to Eve.
He can have a devastating impact on the game world from comms.
Not to mention Jabber, the forums...
Just to confirm: The Mittani is so meta you cannot actually ban him from Eve, no matter what.
This is truth. All bear witness. Thats what restraining orders are for. You can indeed ban him from EvE if they had too. Sigh.
You obviously don't get it.
Comms, goons in general, are his friends. No court in the United States is going to ban him from associating with his friends on internet comms.
Laughable. Utterly laughable. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1389
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 21:13:00 -
[5001] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away..
Your ignorance when claiming to operate 12 accounts and have been around for a long time is amusing. The goon wiki is the best new player reference in the game. Post a link to this 'Holy Grail' and enlighten us with it's ultimate wisdom which out shines all other Wiki's.
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 21:15:00 -
[5002] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away..
Your ignorance when claiming to operate 12 accounts and have been around for a long time is amusing. The goon wiki is the best new player reference in the game. Post a link to this 'Holy Grail' and enlighten us with it's ultimate wisdom which out shines all other Wiki's.
It's API-verified.
In other words, you can't has. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
30
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 21:20:00 -
[5003] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away..
Your ignorance when claiming to operate 12 accounts and have been around for a long time is amusing. The goon wiki is the best new player reference in the game. Post a link to this 'Holy Grail' and enlighten us with it's ultimate wisdom which out shines all other Wiki's. It's API-verified. In other words, you can't has. What, this one?
|
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 21:22:00 -
[5004] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away..
Your ignorance when claiming to operate 12 accounts and have been around for a long time is amusing. The goon wiki is the best new player reference in the game. Post a link to this 'Holy Grail' and enlighten us with it's ultimate wisdom which out shines all other Wiki's. It's API-verified. In other words, you can't has. What, this one?
That is not the wiki.
What is this I don't even He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
717
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 21:22:00 -
[5005] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:The Mittani is so meta he doesn't have to log in to Eve.
He can have a devastating impact on the game world from comms.
Not to mention Jabber, the forums...
Just to confirm: The Mittani is so meta you cannot actually ban him from Eve, no matter what.
This is truth. All bear witness. Thats what restraining orders are for. You can indeed ban him from EvE if they had too. Sigh. You obviously don't get it. Comms, goons in general, are his friends. No court in the United States is going to ban him from associating with his friends on internet comms. Laughable. Utterly laughable.
............They arnt and wouldn't banning him for his associations mate.
You dont even have a clue what your saying and typing do you?
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1389
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Posted - 2012.04.02 21:23:00 -
[5006] - Quote
Lucas Kell wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away..
Your ignorance when claiming to operate 12 accounts and have been around for a long time is amusing. The goon wiki is the best new player reference in the game. Post a link to this 'Holy Grail' and enlighten us with it's ultimate wisdom which out shines all other Wiki's. It's API-verified. In other words, you can't has. What, this one? lol |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
505
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 21:25:00 -
[5007] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:The Mittani is so meta he doesn't have to log in to Eve.
He can have a devastating impact on the game world from comms.
Not to mention Jabber, the forums...
Just to confirm: The Mittani is so meta you cannot actually ban him from Eve, no matter what.
This is truth. All bear witness. Thats what restraining orders are for. You can indeed ban him from EvE if they had too. Sigh. You obviously don't get it. Comms, goons in general, are his friends. No court in the United States is going to ban him from associating with his friends on internet comms. Laughable. Utterly laughable. ............They arnt and wouldn't banning him for his associations mate. You dont even have a clue what your saying and typing do you?
With his face so close to Mitten's butt and apparently high off the aroma, I think you're right.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
195
|
Posted - 2012.04.02 21:25:00 -
[5008] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:The Mittani is so meta he doesn't have to log in to Eve.
He can have a devastating impact on the game world from comms.
Not to mention Jabber, the forums...
Just to confirm: The Mittani is so meta you cannot actually ban him from Eve, no matter what.
This is truth. All bear witness. Thats what restraining orders are for. You can indeed ban him from EvE if they had too. Sigh. You obviously don't get it. Comms, goons in general, are his friends. No court in the United States is going to ban him from associating with his friends on internet comms. Laughable. Utterly laughable. ............They arnt and wouldn't banning him for his associations mate. You dont even have a clue what your saying and typing do you?
Why don't you draw me a picture of how The Mittani can be fully banned from Eve?
Because from where I sit in the CFC it sure the **** looks to me like the ban is superfluous.
He hasn't logged into Eve. But he's been on comms. That's all that was necessary.
So ******* meta. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Jita Alt666
982
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Posted - 2012.04.02 21:26:00 -
[5009] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away..
Your ignorance when claiming to operate 12 accounts and have been around for a long time is amusing. The goon wiki is the best new player reference in the game. Post a link to this 'Holy Grail' and enlighten us with it's ultimate wisdom which out shines all other Wiki's.
Pay your $10 to SA like everyone else, oh, I do have a friend who will accept security deposits (10% of account value as determined from API) that allow access to the full wiki.
Or do a Google search for goonwiki its the top link...
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Jita Alt666
982
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Posted - 2012.04.02 21:31:00 -
[5010] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Post a link to this 'Holy Grail' and enlighten us with it's ultimate wisdom which out shines all other Wiki's.
It's API-verified. In other words, you can't has. What, this one? lol
Look
for
yourself.
Don't
click
links
you
receive
in
emails
or
on
forums,
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Jita Alt666
982
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Posted - 2012.04.02 21:34:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
Why don't you draw me a picture of how The Mittani can be fully banned from Eve?
Because from where I sit in the CFC it sure the **** looks to me like the ban is superfluous.
He hasn't logged into Eve. But he's been on comms. That's all that was necessary.
So ******* meta.
I think you have chocolate smeared on your face, oh wait....
You are sort of right though. The Mittani is probably doing nothing different than he normally would. Good alliance leadership is done without logging on anyway. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1389
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Posted - 2012.04.02 21:35:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Pay your $10 to SA like everyone else, oh, I do have a friend who will accept security deposits (10% of account value as determined from API) that allow access to the full wiki. Or do a Google search for goonwiki its the top link... Pay money for full access? Sorry, cba to do that. |
Lucas Kell
Fodder.
30
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Posted - 2012.04.02 21:35:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: Hmmm, I've not seen them, though judging on the rest of the goon material I have seen, it probably talks about how to make some quick cash then turst some goon member to help you carry it away..
Your ignorance when claiming to operate 12 accounts and have been around for a long time is amusing. The goon wiki is the best new player reference in the game. Post a link to this 'Holy Grail' and enlighten us with it's ultimate wisdom which out shines all other Wiki's. Pay your $10 to SA like everyone else, oh, I do have a friend who will accept security deposits (10% of account value as determined from API) that allow access to the full wiki. Or do a Google search for goonwiki its the top link... I don't want to pay a bunch of idiots money to read what is likelty to be either rubbish info or info I can get free elsewhere?
I also should install adobe again cos im not sure what I've now linked to everyone lol
Ah well, click at your own risk guess |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1389
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Posted - 2012.04.02 21:49:00 -
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The Hand Of Justice?
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.04.02 21:53:00 -
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qDoctor Strangelove wrote:This whole thread is breaking the Eula as it regards a ban. Talking about bans and petitions is against the law, for so say the ISD members closing threads.
Now, Please close this one to.
kinda curious how many sigs the ban him forever petition has lol
IS THERE a "dont ban him forever" petition? Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2012.04.02 21:56:00 -
[5016] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Pay your $10 to SA like everyone else, oh, I do have a friend who will accept security deposits (10% of account value as determined from API) that allow access to the full wiki. Or do a Google search for goonwiki its the top link... Pay money for full access? Sorry, cba to do that.
an yea I totally wanna give goons my CC # lol Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
49
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Posted - 2012.04.02 22:00:00 -
[5017] - Quote
Shut up and pay :10bux: to Lowtax |
Jita Alt666
982
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Posted - 2012.04.02 22:11:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Pay your $10 to SA like everyone else, oh, I do have a friend who will accept security deposits (10% of account value as determined from API) that allow access to the full wiki. Or do a Google search for goonwiki its the top link... Pay money for full access? Sorry, cba to do that. an yea I totally wanna give goons my CC # lol
Reading comprehension.
I do agree Richard this thread should have been closed a long time ago.
My agenda here is simple and transparent. I am using both rouge operator and demichael crimson's post counts to bump this thread way way ahead of the WIS thread they are so fond of. The oft heard cry in that thread is "see this is the biggest thread on the forums, that shows how important WIS is to the player base."
The fact that a single drunk capsuleer saying something in very poor taste in a room full of drunk people can generate a much larger thread than WIS in less than 5% of the time the WIS thread has been in existence shows how little the playerbase really care about barbies. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
402
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Posted - 2012.04.02 22:31:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:My agenda here is simple and transparent. I am using both rouge operator and demichael crimson's post counts to bump this thread way way ahead of the WIS thread they are so fond of. The oft heard cry in that thread is "see this is the biggest thread on the forums, that shows how important WIS is to the player base."
The fact that a single drunk capsuleer saying something in very poor taste in a room full of drunk people can generate a much larger thread than WIS in less than 5% of the time the WIS thread has been in existence shows how little the playerbase really care about barbies. Oh, then continue you good work, Jita Alt.
We must constantly keep shovelling dirt on the grave of barbie dolls, lest it, like a zombie, rise and devour our brains. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Ai Shun
566
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Posted - 2012.04.02 23:19:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:The fact that a single drunk capsuleer saying something in very poor taste in a room full of drunk people can generate a much larger thread than WIS in less than 5% of the time the WIS thread has been in existence shows how little the playerbase really care about barbies.
You might have just stopped DMC posting in this thread ever again. And maybe I have just re-activated his posting. I'm sure there is an ascerbic response just waiting out there ... |
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Jita Alt666
984
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Posted - 2012.04.02 23:55:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:The fact that a single drunk capsuleer saying something in very poor taste in a room full of drunk people can generate a much larger thread than WIS in less than 5% of the time the WIS thread has been in existence shows how little the playerbase really care about barbies. You might have just stopped DMC posting in this thread ever again. And maybe I have just re-activated his posting. I'm sure there is an ascerbic response just waiting out there ...
I am controlling his game/posting.
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Jita Alt666
984
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Posted - 2012.04.03 00:03:00 -
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without logging in. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
54
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Posted - 2012.04.03 00:04:00 -
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lol |
Jita Alt666
985
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Posted - 2012.04.03 00:30:00 -
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Thank you for your substantial contribution.
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Ai Shun
566
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Posted - 2012.04.03 00:36:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:[Thank you for your substantial contribution.
In these troubled times laughter is always good.
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Jita Alt666
986
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Posted - 2012.04.03 00:37:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Thank you for your substantial contribution. In these troubled times laughter is always good.
And thus it is commended. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
532
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Posted - 2012.04.03 01:46:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Pay your $10 to SA like everyone else, oh, I do have a friend who will accept security deposits (10% of account value as determined from API) that allow access to the full wiki. Or do a Google search for goonwiki its the top link... Pay money for full access? Sorry, cba to do that. an yea I totally wanna give goons my CC # lol Reading comprehension. I do agree Richard this thread should have been closed a long time ago. (by a long time ago I mean 3 days ago.) My agenda here is simple and transparent. I am using both rouge operator and demichael crimson's post counts to bump this thread way way ahead of the WIS thread they are so fond of. The oft heard cry in that thread is "see this is the biggest thread on the forums, that shows how important WIS is to the player base." The fact that a single drunk capsuleer saying something in very poor taste in a room full of drunk people can generate a much larger thread than WIS in less than 5% of the time the WIS thread has been in existence shows how little the playerbase really care about barbies.
So the number of post instead of the content matters to you ? you must be the smartest guy on these forums
pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
29
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Posted - 2012.04.03 02:59:00 -
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Sir Marksalot wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:yeah mittens should stop going after the gaming media, it's not like they're doing anything to hurt CCP and the eve community Hes making it worse by going in half cocked and having his PEOPLE threaten people. I dont know if you know this but you dont get rid of the stigma of bully by doing more bullying! never stop posting about mittens As you wish, but I don't think any of this is to his benefit. If Mittani can benefit from all this, please enlighten us on how, 'cause I just don't see it.
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Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:00:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be
This proves you aren't sorry. 7:00 - 7:40 says the mittani was never sorry. |
Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
29
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:14:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote:[quote=The Mittani] The theme of this year's Goonswarm Alliance presentation is going to be Goonswarm hates you - and basically just talk about each different little aspect of demographic of eve of how much we hate them and want them all to die and kill themselves. Like highsec miners, we want them to kill themselves; people who role-play, we want them to kill themselves; people with Titans, we want them to kill themselves. There's just a whole host of people I hope to really offend by telling them to commit suicide while on stage in front of thousands of nerds.
I'm confused now. If Goons hate roll players, then Alexander G. couldn't have been roll playing in the character of The Mittani, Leader of Goonswarm, when he cyber-bullied a fellow subscriber. At least this is what many of The Mittani's "people" claim he was doing.
He was either roll playing, or committing a crime. You "people" need to get your stories straight before you try to defend somone. I really expected better from Goons when it came to Alexander's defence. |
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Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
29
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:38:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:"Go kill yourself" is a frequent insult, especially in EVE, and nobody cares. It means nothing. I am neither surprised nor shocked that a CCP employee may have heard it and did nothing. He had probably completely forgotten about it five minutes later. I would have.
But this whole phony outrage over nothing seems to go on forever. The only truly outrageous thing that happened is that Mittani was thrown under the bus by CCP. I believe Mittani walked under a bus . It looks like he got up, dusted himself off, then went back a second and third time too.
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Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:50:00 -
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Play it again sam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be
watch 7:00 - 7:40 to get the good stuff |
Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:52:00 -
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It's not going away. |
Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
29
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Posted - 2012.04.03 03:54:00 -
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Thomas Orca wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
Not to mention that the original comment in question was about actions in the context of a Role Playing Game.
Prove he meant otherwise.
Prove he meant it in the context of a Role Playing Game. ~Roleplayers~ never break character. Done. But lets not forget that Alex G. hates roleplayers; and if he hates roleplayers, a reasonable person could only believe he isn't a roleplayer and therefore wasn't roleplaying.
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Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 04:32:00 -
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I guess I have to spell it out.
In this video between 7:00 and 7:40 The Mittani goes on a rant saying how he is going to tell people to kill themselve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.04.03 04:40:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Pay your $10 to SA like everyone else, oh, I do have a friend who will accept security deposits (10% of account value as determined from API) that allow access to the full wiki. Or do a Google search for goonwiki its the top link... Pay money for full access? Sorry, cba to do that. an yea I totally wanna give goons my CC # lol Reading comprehension. I do agree Richard this thread should have been closed a long time ago. (by a long time ago I mean 3 days ago.) My agenda here is simple and transparent. I am using both rouge operator and demichael crimson's post counts to bump this thread way way ahead of the WIS thread they are so fond of. The oft heard cry in that thread is "see this is the biggest thread on the forums, that shows how important WIS is to the player base." The fact that a single drunk capsuleer saying something in very poor taste in a room full of drunk people can generate a much larger thread than WIS in less than 5% of the time the WIS thread has been in existence shows how little the playerbase really care about barbies.
Ill add to your cause I dont even see a WiS thread on page 1 an I nwever go past page 1 :p Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
722
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:09:00 -
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Ahh a no longer deleted version. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:57:00 -
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I think I've lost all faith in this community. |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.04.03 05:59:00 -
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Bunch of vindictive hypocrites willing to threaten a developer's livelihood just to "get back" at somebody. |
Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:07:00 -
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Good... now can we let this thread die already? Its obvious he apologized simply to cover his ass... but I am pretty sure that everything that is going to happen in regards to this fiasco has happened (with the exception of the Jita riots which should be pretty fun honestly).... that's it shows over folks. Move along. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1390
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Posted - 2012.04.03 06:08:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:
Reading comprehension.
I do agree Richard this thread should have been closed a long time ago. (by a long time ago I mean 3 days ago.)
My agenda here is simple and transparent. I am using both rouge operator and demichael crimson's post counts to bump this thread way way ahead of the WIS thread they are so fond of. The oft heard cry in that thread is "see this is the biggest thread on the forums, that shows how important WIS is to the player base."
The fact that a single drunk capsuleer saying something in very poor taste in a room full of drunk people can generate a much larger thread than WIS in less than 5% of the time the WIS thread has been in existence shows how little the playerbase really care about barbies.
It is with great pleasure that I have the honor to tell you that you are indeed wrong.
The WiS thread is not the thread I'm so fond of and rarely do I see anyone saying that it's the biggest thread on the forums. But hey, please keep fanning the flames of this thread. All it's going to accomplish is make more trouble for your messiah and his 'people'.
FYI - This thread shows that a large portion of the community is morally outraged and disgusted with the grief mentality that is so prevalent in everything related to Eve. It also shows CCP that it's time to make some changes. |
Mallak Azaria
Dominus Nex Angelus
71
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Posted - 2012.04.03 07:32:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: It also shows CCP that it's time to make some changes.
Or you know... People could use their brain before they speak.
No, I apologise for that statement. I understand that many people are missing that part of their body.
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
519
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Posted - 2012.04.03 07:48:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:Bunch of vindictive hypocrites willing to threaten a developer's livelihood just to "get back" at somebody.
True words. Damaging CCP just to try and get an in game result against a person who blew up their pixels. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1390
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Posted - 2012.04.03 07:57:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: It also shows CCP that it's time to make some changes. Or you know... People could use their brain before they speak. No, I apologise for that statement. I understand that many people are missing that part of their body. Yes, Indeed. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
245
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Posted - 2012.04.03 09:00:00 -
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Still not locked??
Ha-ha:
IN!!! This signature is intentionally left blank.
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
125
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Posted - 2012.04.03 12:20:00 -
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Bumping for trolls Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
509
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:16:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Lanasak wrote:Bunch of vindictive hypocrites willing to threaten a developer's livelihood just to "get back" at somebody. True words. Damaging CCP just to try and get an in game result against a person who blew up their pixels.
Noone is calling for Soundwave to be fired in this instance unlike during Incarna.
It raises the issue that CCP was there during the "Drinks with Bolton" interview in January where Mittens laid out his plan to call for people to commit suicide "in front of a thousand nerds". Soundwave did nothing presumably because he didn't realize the seriousness of the commit and thought that Mittens was just BSing. I give him the benefit of the doubt. But, that it happened at fanfest just as Mittens had foretold months ago, at that point CCP should have put 2 & 2 together and permabanned Alex.
If Soundwave were a professional he would have excused himself from the interview as soon as Mittens made his statement. That he didn't and that Alex only received a 30d ban speaks volumes about CCP's relationship with Mittens. Lets hope that the January video doesn't get media attention. Unfortunately, it seems CCP is going to wait exactly for that to happen before they take further steps and at that point it's going to be a perma-ban for Mittens and probably much worse for Soundwave. CCP would be wise to be proactive. Perma-ban Alex now. And give Soundwave the symbolic slap on the wrist that they gave Alex. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Kimo Khan
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:55:00 -
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I like his apology and that he is stepping down. Only fair for what was said.
What I don't like is CSM loosing a Goonswarm perspective. Not that I like Goonswarm, they just add flavor to the game.
We should have a replacement vote and not just the next highest votes. That way all the people who voted for him can still speak their mind. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
533
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:07:00 -
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Kimo Khan wrote:I like his apology and that he is stepping down. Only fair for what was said.
What I don't like is CSM loosing a Goonswarm perspective. Not that I like Goonswarm, they just add flavor to the game.
We should have a replacement vote and not just the next highest votes. That way all the people who voted for him can still speak their mind.
Lol So you vote for one who did messed up and render your vote useless and simply say i want to vote again?
No the election is done 10058 votes from real ( eveplayers no alts ,down the drain ,bc of the guy voted for. pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
Nefertari IX
Zen Monkies
8
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:20:00 -
[5050] - Quote
Kimo Khan wrote: We should have a replacement vote and not just the next highest votes. That way all the people who voted for him can still speak their mind.
Don't CSM what you can't afford to lose.
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Avila Cracko
288
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:30:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Ahh a no longer deleted version. It also raises some flags that someone from CCP heard this was what he was saying.
You guys heard the word "suicide" didn't you?
This is not just "kill yourself". truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |
Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:34:00 -
[5052] - Quote
You know? A day or two ago I got the credit card bill. My girl friend looked it over... saw "EVE Online"... I spent the rest of the afternoon explaining how I wasn't subscribed to a porno-site but just an internet spaceshiips game. Now, I am starting to wonder if her assumption was really right all along. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
658
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:35:00 -
[5053] - Quote
Kai Tel wrote:You know? A day or two ago I got the credit card bill. My girl friend looked it over... saw "EVE Online"... I spent the rest of the afternoon explaining how I wasn't subscribed to a porno-site but just an internet spaceshiips game. Now, I am starting to wonder if her assumption was really right all along. gf is always right a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Kimo Khan
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:01:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Kimo Khan wrote:I like his apology and that he is stepping down. Only fair for what was said.
What I don't like is CSM loosing a Goonswarm perspective. Not that I like Goonswarm, they just add flavor to the game.
We should have a replacement vote and not just the next highest votes. That way all the people who voted for him can still speak their mind. Lol So you vote for one who did messed up and render your vote useless and simply say i want to vote again? No the election is done 10058 votes from real ( eveplayers no alts ,down the drain ,bc of the guy voted for.
Actually I voted for someone else, but the 10058 people who did not screw up should not be penalized. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
511
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:05:00 -
[5055] - Quote
Kimo Khan wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Kimo Khan wrote:I like his apology and that he is stepping down. Only fair for what was said.
What I don't like is CSM loosing a Goonswarm perspective. Not that I like Goonswarm, they just add flavor to the game.
We should have a replacement vote and not just the next highest votes. That way all the people who voted for him can still speak their mind. Lol So you vote for one who did messed up and render your vote useless and simply say i want to vote again? No the election is done 10058 votes from real ( eveplayers no alts ,down the drain ,bc of the guy voted for. Actually I voted for someone else, but the 10058 people who did not screw up should not be penalized.
A long time ago in a country I'm in, Vice Presidents were voted for the same as Presidents. If the President were to step down from office, all those who voted for him would lose their votes. So, I'm not seeing a problem.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
82
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:07:00 -
[5056] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Lanasak wrote:Bunch of vindictive hypocrites willing to threaten a developer's livelihood just to "get back" at somebody. True words. Damaging CCP just to try and get an in game result against a person who blew up their pixels.
All the Bee alts, and all the Bee pets, couldn't put their deposed Queen together again.
You need to quit arguing your personal opinion, fed to you by your fearless leader, and actaully look at what happened...
Then move, get outside, and realize their is more to life than a game of space pixels....
Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
82
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:08:00 -
[5057] - Quote
Avila Cracko wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Ahh a no longer deleted version. It also raises some flags that someone from CCP heard this was what he was saying. You guys heard the word " suicide" didn't you? This is not just "kill yourself".
They only hear what their master feeds them, kind of like Republicans.... Looking to stamp out apiphobia in my lifetime..... |
Kimo Khan
0
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:11:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:
A long time ago in a country I'm in, Vice Presidents were voted for the same as Presidents. If the President were to step down from office, all those who voted for him would lose their votes. So, I'm not seeing a problem.
Well said. I stand corrected.
gf |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
128
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:30:00 -
[5059] - Quote
Im going down the pub in ten minutes for a pint. Anyone else interested? Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:36:00 -
[5060] - Quote
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Im going down the pub in ten minutes for a pint. Anyone else interested?
Make mine a double gin and cola and I'm there. |
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Kaitlin smithson
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:24:00 -
[5061] - Quote
ok people. he got his punishment so let the poor man live in peace. and now we all wait for the fun at the end of April. let it die in tranquility. party in jita. be there or be Square. |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
725
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:57:00 -
[5062] - Quote
Lanasak wrote:Bunch of vindictive hypocrites willing to threaten a developer's livelihood just to "get back" at somebody.
Only vindictive ones are the goons mate.
Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
96
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Posted - 2012.04.03 18:03:00 -
[5063] - Quote
Going by the forum category, we have passed the points of nobody caring anymore, woo! |
Jita Alt666
987
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Posted - 2012.04.03 19:58:00 -
[5064] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Im going down the pub in ten minutes for a pint. Anyone else interested? Make mine a double gin and cola and I'm there.
That is a shockingly poor choice for a refreshing beverage.
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:11:00 -
[5065] - Quote
Lanasak wrote:Bunch of vindictive hypocrites willing to threaten a developer's livelihood just to "get back" at somebody.
Mittani alt detected Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:13:00 -
[5066] - Quote
Nedes Betternaem wrote:Good... now can we let this thread die already? Its obvious he apologized simply to cover his ass... but I am pretty sure that everything that is going to happen in regards to this fiasco has happened (with the exception of the Jita riots which should be pretty fun honestly).... that's it shows over folks. Move along.
Yeah not happening lol
But if they DID permaban him Goons'd have a field day destroying the ability for anyone to play and theyd have to go all Helicity Boson and unban him So whats the point https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
30
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:17:00 -
[5067] - Quote
Jeez die already (I am talking about the thread and not those that may be happily challenged)
Tal
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:18:00 -
[5068] - Quote
Talon SilverHawk wrote:Jeez die already (I am talking about the thread and not those that may be happily challenged)
Tal
not gonna happen as long as ppl like you post in it lol if you STOP... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
648
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:43:00 -
[5069] - Quote
Heck, I'll forgive him now - may even take my alpha clone to Jita For Lols when the time comes |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
100
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:50:00 -
[5070] - Quote
Quote:This entire week, we've received dozens of harassing emails and tweets about how the Goonswarm believes that we (as a site) practiced poor journalism, sensationalized the entire event, and painted The Mittani in a negative light. Well, now I can say that we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia: "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." Those links are only a fraction of what's out there.
I like this part
lolz https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
194
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Posted - 2012.04.03 20:57:00 -
[5071] - Quote
25 days untill Jita-Geddon.
I picture the Mittens in a Columbian prison scratching marks on the wall with an old broken clam shell.
And for the record, I expect The Mittani to be in Jita. Not hidden away in Moonswarm HQ twitching like a Gollum protecting his Precious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLvIFRNbqOs
A Goonswarm and Mittani convention |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1451
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Posted - 2012.04.03 21:01:00 -
[5072] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Quote:This entire week, we've received dozens of harassing emails and tweets about how the Goonswarm believes that we (as a site) practiced poor journalism, sensationalized the entire event, and painted The Mittani in a negative light. Well, now I can say that we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia: "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." Those links are only a fraction of what's out there.
I like this part lolz Yeah...I thought that was pretty funny too. Again...I think it is funny that Goonswarm has built up this hatred for them deliberately and now are upset when it comes back around to them in a inevitable negative way. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
James Amril-Kesh
JAK Corporation
155
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Posted - 2012.04.03 21:22:00 -
[5073] - Quote
I'd laugh my ass off if during downtime CCP silently removed the restriction on cynos in highsec without telling anybody.
See how long it takes until someone notices and Jita turns into an all-out megabrawl the likes of which this game has never seen. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.04.03 21:29:00 -
[5074] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Im going down the pub in ten minutes for a pint. Anyone else interested? Make mine a double gin and cola and I'm there. That is a shockingly poor choice for a refreshing beverage.
Who said anything about refreshing? I would leave out the gin if that is what I wanted. Though I have the unenviable ability never to forget what I did the night before regardless of the amount of alcohol taken in. Though it does annoy those that want to wind me up the "morning after" as I can just turn round and say "Nope I did x, y, z,"
RougeOperator wrote:Lanasak wrote:Bunch of vindictive hypocrites willing to threaten a developer's livelihood just to "get back" at somebody. Only vindictive ones are the goons mate. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"
Given the sig: Pot I'd like you to meet my friend Kettle. Kettle this is Pot, I am sure you have a lot to talk about. |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
765
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:36:00 -
[5075] - Quote
That Ten Ton Hammer article is ******* hilarious!!!
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Jita Alt666
987
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:52:00 -
[5076] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:That Ten Ton Hammer article is ******* hilarious!!!
Linky? |
Jita Alt666
987
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Posted - 2012.04.03 22:59:00 -
[5077] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:Skydell wrote:25 days untill Jita-Geddon. I picture the Mittens in a Columbian prison scratching marks on the wall with an old broken clam shell. And for the record, I expect The Mittani to be in Jita. Not hidden away in Moonswarm HQ twitching like a Gollum protecting his Precious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLvIFRNbqOsA Goonswarm and Mittani convention If the Queen Bee will be in Jita, who will be watching the Hive?
Pod jumpers. |
Jita Alt666
987
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:05:00 -
[5078] - Quote
How could I miss that snipe? |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
727
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:28:00 -
[5079] - Quote
http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/77
Still trying to downplay it.
Cant live with the consequences of his personal actions. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
RogueMind
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:37:00 -
[5080] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/77
Still trying to downplay it.
Cant live with the consequences of his personal actions.
You are a disgrace to Rouge everywhere. Rogues too. Let it go. |
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RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
727
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:52:00 -
[5081] - Quote
RogueMind wrote:RougeOperator wrote:http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/77
Still trying to downplay it.
Cant live with the consequences of his personal actions. You are a disgrace to Rouge everywhere. Rogues too. Let it go.
Hey someone else wrote the story.
U mad? Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
413
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:53:00 -
[5082] - Quote
Hi
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Zirise
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
108
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Posted - 2012.04.03 23:54:00 -
[5083] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:RogueMind wrote:RougeOperator wrote:http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/77
Still trying to downplay it.
Cant live with the consequences of his personal actions. You are a disgrace to Rouge everywhere. Rogues too. Let it go. Hey someone else wrote the story. U mad?
Everytime 'Rouge' Operator posts in this thread I'm going to cyberbully someone. |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
730
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Posted - 2012.04.04 00:05:00 -
[5084] - Quote
Zirise wrote:RougeOperator wrote:RogueMind wrote:RougeOperator wrote:http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/77
Still trying to downplay it.
Cant live with the consequences of his personal actions. You are a disgrace to Rouge everywhere. Rogues too. Let it go. Hey someone else wrote the story. U mad? Everytime 'Rouge' Operator posts in this thread I'm going to cyberbully someone.
Got some brown stuff on your nose there. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
727
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Posted - 2012.04.04 00:12:00 -
[5085] - Quote
Zirise wrote: Everytime 'Rouge' Operator posts in this thread I'm going to cyberbully someone.
A good pet will do that. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2012.04.04 00:47:00 -
[5086] - Quote
I just walked by the TV, my grandparents were watching Bill Oreily, and he was destroying a woman defending someone who said something stupid while drunk (dude threatened Obama). If I could get the video I would but I dont know what the whole thing was about
Zirise wrote:RougeOperator wrote:RogueMind wrote:RougeOperator wrote:http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/77
Still trying to downplay it.
Cant live with the consequences of his personal actions. You are a disgrace to Rouge everywhere. Rogues too. Let it go. Hey someone else wrote the story. U mad? Everytime 'Rouge' Operator posts in this thread I'm going to cyberbully someone.
so business as usual then https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Skilfer Azizora
Nova Corps Marines Group
6
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Posted - 2012.04.04 01:00:00 -
[5087] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:I just walked by the TV, my grandparents were watching Bill Oreily
LOL |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2012.04.04 02:21:00 -
[5088] - Quote
Skilfer Azizora wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:I just walked by the TV, my grandparents were watching Bill Oreily LOL
Yea, hell of a stereotype, right? Keep reading. It gets better. You could totally have taken the bit I heard and said he was talking about mittens and noone who hadnt seen the whole thing wouldnt know lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
226
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Posted - 2012.04.04 04:35:00 -
[5089] - Quote
Seems people got it wrong, Mittens isn't a Cyber-bully ................ he is in fact a Cyberstalker by definition here wiki info
Quote:Cyberstalking is the use of the Internet or other electronic means to stalk or harass an individual, a group of individuals, or an organization. It may include false accusations, monitoring, making threats, identity theft, damage to data or equipment, the solicitation of minors for sex, or gathering information in order to harass. The definition of "harassment" must meet the criterion that a reasonable person, in possession of the same information, would regard it as sufficient to cause another reasonable person distress. Cyberstalking is different from spatial or offline stalking. However, it sometimes leads to it, or is accompanied by it.
So much of what is on that site rings true with what has occured leading up to and after FF.
Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
519
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Posted - 2012.04.04 07:00:00 -
[5090] - Quote
This apology is bogus. Mitt said he was going to do this days before he did it. Now, he's saying it was in a drunken stupor. It was stu something alright. StuPID. Apology not accepted. Any nice thing I said to you is taken back. One vote for permaban here.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
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Cerabix
Tidal Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 07:38:00 -
[5091] - Quote
Honestly this guy has taken every step he could to do damage control. Its always disheartening to me to see things getting blown up that are personal because of the person's status. This entire scene feels like it was straight out of a Cosmo gossip page. Since UO the mmo community has been honing skills on how to trash talk.
If EVE gets known for cyber bullying, which it won't because this bit of drama will fall off the internet in a few days, then the pvp looks weaker. Arguably it is a skill set in most high end pvp to be able to take trash and dump it with ease. DotA has used it as part of its meta game for years now and WoW started the trend of recording slander via youtube.
TL;DR Mittani is a stud and eve forums are the nerd's Seventeen gossip articles.
http://www.troxed.com/soundboard.php
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
154
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Posted - 2012.04.04 08:08:00 -
[5092] - Quote
Cerabix wrote:Honestly this guy has taken every step he could to do damage control.
Like owning up to his mistake and not blaming others for it? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
207
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Posted - 2012.04.04 08:11:00 -
[5093] - Quote
It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so... |
quiet beauty
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.04.04 08:38:00 -
[5094] - Quote
Is it racist if you hate goons? Cos i hate being racist... |
Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 09:51:00 -
[5095] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so...
You aren't alone in these thoughts. Sad that some bowed down to him. |
Lord Izanami
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:10:00 -
[5096] - Quote
#5000 |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
525
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:13:00 -
[5097] - Quote
Harry Farina wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so... You aren't alone in these thoughts. Sad that some bowed down to him. But we can always build more killbots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be
Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Ai Shun
579
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:18:00 -
[5098] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.
Indeed. The consequences for The Wis is long over. The Mittani will carry the consequences with him as long as Google exists and not only in-game, but in the world outside as well. As one of the bloggers said - what is on the first page of Google results if you search for his name ... pretty damning and damaging to him. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
64
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:23:00 -
[5099] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Harry Farina wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so... You aren't alone in these thoughts. Sad that some bowed down to him. But we can always build more killbots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.
The flip reverse defence really is mindless, mittens claiming calling him a cyberbully for actually cyberbullying sombody is cyberbullying in itself so he will get his odious minions to cyberbully others to stop accusing him of being a cyberbully.
His ten ton hammer column that is just more whiney excuses also demonstrates a legal understanding that would make mr bean look bright. Cyberbullying is not only about children, it is not only about repeated behaviour. The more mittens whines, complains, denies and deflects away from the issue that he set out to be deliberatly offensive at the panel, as evidenced by the bolton video doing the rounds the worse he looks. |
Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:30:00 -
[5100] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Harry Farina wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so... You aren't alone in these thoughts. Sad that some bowed down to him. But we can always build more killbots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKC00a0ovTA&feature=youtu.be Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.
Who exactly took part in these activities? A youtube link to a video with people talking freely surely isn't what you are talking about.
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
350
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:31:00 -
[5101] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:This apology is bogus. Mitt said he was going to do this days before he did it. Now, he's saying it was in a drunken stupor. It was stu something alright. StuPID. Apology not accepted. Any nice thing I said to you is taken back. One vote for permaban here.
You don't get it do you? He doesn't apologise for his presentation. He apologies for the remark he made during Q&A.
I for one think the mindless mob mentality behind anonymous posting aliases on Internet forums is much worse than that slip of the tongue.
The most pathetic ones in this thread are the ones still circling the cadavre like vultures and likely also feeling very good about it. You should start thinking about what RL issues makes you want to taste blood on the internet. Wouldn't it be better to grow a pair and speak up against your mother, boss or whomever you think is not treating you with the respect you believe you deserve.
Chill out.
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Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:37:00 -
[5102] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Serene Repose wrote:This apology is bogus. Mitt said he was going to do this days before he did it. Now, he's saying it was in a drunken stupor. It was stu something alright. StuPID. Apology not accepted. Any nice thing I said to you is taken back. One vote for permaban here. You don't get it do you? He doesn't apologise for his presentation. He apologies for the remark he made during Q&A. I for one think the mindless mob mentality behind anonymous posting aliases on Internet forums is much worse than that slip of the tongue. The most pathetic ones in this thread are the ones still circling the cadavre like vultures and likely also feeling very good about it. You should start thinking about what RL issues makes you want to taste blood on the internet. Wouldn't it be better to grow a pair and speak up against your mother, boss or whomever you think is not treating you with the respect you believe you deserve. Chill out.
The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.
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Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:43:00 -
[5103] - Quote
Harry Farina wrote:The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much.
Respect is earnt, not deserved.
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Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
2
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Posted - 2012.04.04 10:59:00 -
[5104] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harry Farina wrote:The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much. Respect is earned, not deserved.
So tell me how you treat random strangers. They clearly haven't earned your respect. I mean how could they if they have never met you. Everybody new you meet is obviously disrespecting you. And what exactly is the criteria for your "respect". |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
212
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:45:00 -
[5105] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok Indeed.
What is puzzling in the whole case is how people think that "he started it" somehow justifies adults being idiots to each other. First it is a ship blowing up justifying emotional blackmail by suicide threats. Then it's suicide threats justifying public mocking and bullying. Then it's bullying justifying real-life threats to someone's family... Wonder what comes next. If the quality reasoning presented by the community so far continues, we will surely end up with murder and real-life wardecs. Escalation of an interweb spaceship game causing real life hurt leads to nuclear winter! "They started it", explains a survivor to the last surviving newspaper. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
350
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Posted - 2012.04.04 11:52:00 -
[5106] - Quote
Harry Farina wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harry Farina wrote:The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much. Respect is earned, not deserved. So tell me how you treat random strangers. I can tell you one thing I don't do and that is activating my lasers and scram on them when they are peacefully engaging pirates in an asteroid belt.
Do you see the difference here? It is a game and we do things in this game that we would never do IRL. In fact, some of the activities we do in game would lead to capital punishment in some (primitive) countries IRL.
People RP in EVE. And so does the Mittani. He is RPing a goon leader and as such he does what is expected of a goon leader. If you want his respect in game you have to figure out how to earn respect of a goon. Simple as that.
The alliance panel is part of EVE online. It is an RP arena hosted by CCP and is very much part of the meta-game of EVE. If you want evidence for that interpretation you might consider the ban put on him by CCP for breaking the EULA/TOS.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1393
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Posted - 2012.04.04 12:25:00 -
[5107] - Quote
After viewing all related events and material pertaining to this situation, the only conclusion anyone can deduct from all this is that The Mittani's apology and statements posted by 'His People' trying to justify his actions is nothing more than a classic example of hypocrisy. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
104
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Posted - 2012.04.04 13:27:00 -
[5108] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:This apology is bogus. Mitt said he was going to do this days before he did it. Now, he's saying it was in a drunken stupor. It was stu something alright. StuPID. Apology not accepted. Any nice thing I said to you is taken back. One vote for permaban here.
I agree BUT Ironic given your name
Frying Doom wrote:Cerabix wrote:Honestly this guy has taken every step he could to do damage control.
Like owning up to his mistake and not blaming others for it?
like blaming the alcohol but jus sayin...
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so...
"This entire week, we've received dozens of harassing emails and tweets about how the Goonswarm believes that we (as a site) practiced poor journalism, sensationalized the entire event, and painted The Mittani in a negative light. Well, now I can say that we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia: "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." Those links are only a fraction of what's out there.
But don't take my word for it; let's allow The Mittani to speak for himself:
(3:34:02 AM) the_mittani: broadcast all-all Gentlegoons, I am delighted to report that Brendan Drain has edited his offending statements in his Massively coverage and apologized. He has now handled this properly, and we can stop sending glowering looks his way. No longer is my real name or the false label 'cyberbully' attached; hi5s all around. Tomorrow we will have another episode of Goonswarm Strikes Back: The Media Edition."
Cyberbully to remove the cuberbully tag. Great strategy https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
213
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Posted - 2012.04.04 14:11:00 -
[5109] - Quote
Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists it as bannable offense?
Quote:3. HARASSMENT
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:
a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:
a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine).
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
374
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Posted - 2012.04.04 15:32:00 -
[5110] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:
Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.
If you dont want to be associated with cyberbullying
DONT CYBERBULLY
How is that ******* hard? And cyberbullying the media site (NOT IN GAME ACTIONS I MIGHT ADD) into removing the stories doesnt help your cause
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense? Quote:3. HARASSMENT
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:
a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies.
Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player:
a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine).
sweet so his RP defense only makes it worse and they actually HAVE a reason to ban him now https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
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Telegram Sam
The Drones Club
249
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:22:00 -
[5111] - Quote
Lexmana wrote: Do you see the difference here? It is a game and we do things in this game that we would never do IRL. In fact, some of the activities we do in game would lead to capital punishment in some (primitive) countries IRL. Bashing the U.S. are you? Huh? Huh? |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
525
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:41:00 -
[5112] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Rico Minali wrote:
Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.
If you dont want to be associated with cyberbullying DONT CYBERBULLYHow is that ******* hard? And cyberbullying the media site ( NOT IN GAME ACTIONS I MIGHT ADD) into removing the stories doesnt help your cause
1: I am not associated with cyber bullying and never will be. 2: Dont swear at me, you might get petitioned, much like I did when I said vomit. 3: I dont have a cause.
What I am against is anyone prepared to try and cause someone any harm simply to further their in game ambitions or as repayment for their pixels being exploded. I have never defended what The Mittani said, what I have done is stood up against the fact that what he said is being used to try and further in game ambitions by people who are either a: his enemies, or b: butthurt by something teh goons have done in the past. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
548
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Posted - 2012.04.04 16:49:00 -
[5113] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia
+1 for the 'professional' media site that has a teenager or pre-teen as their editor-in-chief. I'll bet the emails took his lunch money too. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
525
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:00:00 -
[5114] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Indeed.
What is puzzling in the whole case is how people think that "he started it" somehow justifies adults being idiots to each other. First it is a ship blowing up justifying emotional blackmail by suicide threats. Then it's suicide threats justifying public mocking and bullying. Then it's bullying justifying real-life threats to someone's family... Wonder what comes next. If the quality reasoning presented by the community so far continues, we will surely end up with murder and real-life wardecs. Escalation of an interweb spaceship game causing real life hurt leads to nuclear winter! "They started it", explains a survivor to the last surviving newspaper.
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This is absolutely true. So why are we still arguing the toss? I have not at any point said any of what has happened is justified, apart from that very first ship destruction, which was a simple (though unhappy for the victim) in game event. Everything done since that event has been a wrong and unjustifiable reaction.
None on it is defendable, everything done was wrong from the emotional blackmails up to the threats of real life harm to people who dont even play Eve.
What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc and there is no point arguing that no one is doign it for exactly that reason and no other. I dare say some people really do have some moral outrage going on but this number will be small, the majority arguing for ccp to permaban and everythign else are doing it for in game reasons not moral ones.
So... Im leaving it here. No more from me on this matter. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Kalathia Eginald
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:28:00 -
[5115] - Quote
Harry Farina wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harry Farina wrote:The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much. Respect is earned, not deserved. So tell me how you treat random strangers. They clearly haven't earned your respect. I mean how could they if they have never met you. Everybody new you meet is obviously disrespecting you. And what exactly is the criteria for your "respect".
I give everyone a basic level of respect, and generally people may call it good manners. That is something I give freely. However from that point on it is upto them whether the go up or down. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
296
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Posted - 2012.04.04 17:33:00 -
[5116] - Quote
Ah the thread that keeps on threading To the whiners :-áCCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" CCP Recurve "However, Incursions are not the biggest ISK faucet, bounties are"
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
118
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:09:00 -
[5117] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:After viewing all related events and material pertaining to this situation, the only conclusion anyone can deduct from all this is that The Mittani's apology and statements posted by 'His People' trying to justify his actions is nothing more than a classic example of hypocrisy.
Hitting the nail right on the head. Case closed.
Goon tear bucket, now barrel, full to the top.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Krenalla
Modern Order of the Praetorians
26
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:12:00 -
[5118] - Quote
So just left the basement
Whats happened ?? |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
105
|
Posted - 2012.04.04 20:02:00 -
[5119] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Rico Minali wrote:
Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.
If you dont want to be associated with cyberbullying DONT CYBERBULLYHow is that ******* hard? And cyberbullying the media site ( NOT IN GAME ACTIONS I MIGHT ADD) into removing the stories doesnt help your cause 1: I am not associated with cyber bullying and never will be. 2: Dont swear at me, you might get petitioned, much like I did when I said vomit. 3: I dont have a cause.
dude, learn to read... I doubt that comment was directed AT you -.- Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:07:00 -
[5120] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:[quote=Elsebeth Rhiannon]
What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc
please read:
Quote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense? Quote: 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine).
immediate permanent ban Immediate
PERMINANT
ban
If it was any of us guess which part of that would be true? It damn sure wouldnt be 30 days
Double post cause "too many quotes" Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1442
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:15:00 -
[5121] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Rico Minali wrote:[quote=Elsebeth Rhiannon]
What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc please read: Quote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense? Quote: 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine). immediate permanent ban Immediate PERMINANTban If it was any of us guess which part of that would be true? It damn sure wouldnt be 30 days Double post cause "too many quotes"
Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban
Just to point out the painfully obvious. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
49
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:29:00 -
[5122] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Rico Minali wrote:[quote=Elsebeth Rhiannon]
What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc please read: Quote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense? Quote: 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine). immediate permanent ban Immediate PERMINANTban If it was any of us guess which part of that would be true? It damn sure wouldnt be 30 days
I'm not seeing the part that Mittens broke. |
Ai Shun
585
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:22:00 -
[5123] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Just to point out the painfully obvious.
"may result"
You forgot that part of the painfully obvious |
Khergit Deserters
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:03:00 -
[5124] - Quote
The Slide is the smoking gun. Premeditated ill intent. But the apology counts for something. But the later whining whacks the benefit of the apology up the side of the head. A Goon whining about not being treated fairly... you know, something's kind of ironic about that. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:27:00 -
[5125] - Quote
Hey Mittens doesnt happen to live in Arizona per chance?
US; Making Trolls ILLEGAL
rofl, good luck enforcing that one
Thomas Orca wrote:
I'm not seeing the part that Mittens broke.
Nor would you were it pointed out but yea Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.04.04 22:43:00 -
[5126] - Quote
Jeez, all this stuff about mittens, it's enough to drive a man to drink. You want fries with that? |
Marduk Nibiru
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
145
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:03:00 -
[5127] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Jeez, all this stuff about mittens, it's enough to drive a man to drink.
As long as you drive me home too....it's all good |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:07:00 -
[5128] - Quote
Krenalla wrote:So just left the basement
Whats happened ??
A lot of shitposting. |
RougeOperator
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
736
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:13:00 -
[5129] - Quote
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so...
There is a hint of mental illness in there. Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence"-á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1398
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:17:00 -
[5130] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Jeez, all this stuff about mittens, it's enough to drive a man to drink.
That's what happens to A Man Of Constant Sorrow |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.04.04 23:54:00 -
[5131] - Quote
RougeOperator wrote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:It requires an interesting mind to think that the way to stop media talking about a cyber-bullying case is to send them hostile spam demanding that they do so... There is a hint of mental illness in here.
Ive noticed that too
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
49
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Posted - 2012.04.05 00:32:00 -
[5132] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:
I'm not seeing the part that Mittens broke.
Nor would you were it pointed out but yea
No, I see what rule you think he broke. I'm just subtly saying you're dumb. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
528
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Posted - 2012.04.05 00:35:00 -
[5133] - Quote
Cerabix wrote:Honestly this guy has taken every step he could to do damage control. Its always disheartening to me to see things getting blown up that are personal because of the person's status. This entire scene feels like it was straight out of a Cosmo gossip page. Since UO the mmo community has been honing skills on how to trash talk. If EVE gets known for cyber bullying, which it won't because this bit of drama will fall off the internet in a few days, then the pvp looks weaker. Arguably it is a skill set in most high end pvp to be able to take trash and dump it with ease. DotA has used it as part of its meta game for years now and WoW started the trend of recording slander via youtube. TL;DR Mittani is a stud and eve forums are the nerd's Seventeen gossip articles. http://www.troxed.com/soundboard.php You'd make one helluva spin doctor. Only trouble with your view is, we know the facts of the matter. Good try though. I'll give you that. You're trying to raise the Titanic with the onboard life vests.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
Breaker77
Reclamation Industries
55
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Posted - 2012.04.05 00:56:00 -
[5134] - Quote
I'm still trying to figure out who the Mittani is and why anyone should give a ****!
Perhaps if I logged in other than to change skills I might actually care, otherwise ban him and lock his posts so we don't have to deal with the girly drama.
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Anya Klibor
Error-404
61
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Posted - 2012.04.05 01:56:00 -
[5135] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harry Farina wrote:The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much. Respect is earned, not deserved.
I agree. And as someone he has disrespected at every turn (along with anyone else in low sec and high sec space), I For one will kick him while he's down. Because that's how much respect he has earned from me. |
Red Garsk
Strategic Tactics And Recon - Industry Division
1
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Posted - 2012.04.05 02:29:00 -
[5136] - Quote
Dude, I was completely cool with you until you got on Eve Radio and tried to make this issue bigger then it really is. Rambling on about how society is now going to see you as a cyber bully and how that will effect you in real life. I don't know in what kind of reality you live in but it's completely insignificant to what really happened.
You are a lair and a cheat, you deliberately said what you said at fanfest and you darn well know it. You gave an interview, pre-fanfest, where you clearly state what your intention were when your speech came up and you held true to your word.
How did you actually go from best CSM chairman to complete lamebrain ? Seriously, you were great in the CSM, you got things accomplished and you fought for the game and the content, your strategy was great and although for any company sometimes unwanted, you got the job done... And then the interview... you went a complete 180 from intellectual strategist to complete lamebrain... and it wasn't alcohol in that interview, not only that, you announced what you were going to say during fanfest and when you actually did say what you were planned to say all along, you get on Eve Radio and cry about how you meant to apologize and how you got smeared by the media and how it's going to effect your life, any sane person knows that logic is completely out of whack, if there is any, I do not see it.
You do not mean anything you said during the Eve Radio broadcast because you announced before fanfest that you wanted to call out to people to go kill themselves, that's what YOU said !!!!
You can not announce what you're going to say, then say it, then get a ton of crap and then go on radio, tell everyone you were a **** because of alcohol.... When you intended to say that crap all along.
You are a liar and a cheat, do not feed the community anymore bullcrap, please. CCP should ban you permanently. |
Merivel Mar
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.05 02:39:00 -
[5137] - Quote
Apology accepted, don't step down |
Red Garsk
Strategic Tactics And Recon - Industry Division
2
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Posted - 2012.04.05 02:40:00 -
[5138] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote: Its also interesting that some people think that real life character assasination that could cost people their livelihood, relationships and more is ok, simply to get an in game result that they arnt strong enough to do in game.
If you're worried about getting smeared in real life you shouldn't step into the spotlights. If you pull all the attention to yourself you're bound to get hit by something that will damage you. The Mittani is a very talented liar but he sometimes forgets that Eve has some other intelligent people who will see through his bullshit.
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Jack Parr
University of Caille Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.04.05 03:40:00 -
[5139] - Quote
I'm betting mitani is level 30 by now in WOW. He's had a couple of days to work on his new character. I just hope he got into that sparkly vampire RP guild. I can't wait for his upcoming posts detailing how much he's having in WOW.
I just hope he comes back. "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average goon." -á -á-á - The Mittani |
Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
13
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Posted - 2012.04.05 04:09:00 -
[5140] - Quote
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
150
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Posted - 2012.04.05 04:16:00 -
[5141] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:
I'm not seeing the part that Mittens broke.
Nor would you were it pointed out but yea No, I see what rule you think he broke. I'm just subtly saying you're dumb.
I think he was subtly trying to say you got brown of your bee's nose
Red Garsk wrote:Dude, I was completely cool with you until you got on Eve Radio and tried to make this issue bigger then it really is. Rambling on about how society is now going to see you as a cyber bully and how that will effect you in real life. I don't know in what kind of reality you live in but it's completely insignificant to what really happened. You are a lair and a cheat, you deliberately said what you said at fanfest and you darn well know it. You gave an interview, pre-fanfest, where you clearly state what your intention were when your speech came up and you held true to your word. How did you actually go from best CSM chairman to complete lamebrain ? Seriously, you were great in the CSM, you got things accomplished and you fought for the game and the content, your strategy was great and although for any company sometimes unwanted, you got the job done... And then the interview... you went a complete 180 from intellectual strategist to complete lamebrain... and it wasn't alcohol in that interview, not only that, you announced what you were going to say during fanfest and when you actually did say what you were planned to say all along, you get on Eve Radio and cry about how you meant to apologize and how you got smeared by the media and how it's going to effect your life, any sane person knows that logic is completely out of whack, if there is any, I do not see it. You do not mean anything you said during the Eve Radio broadcast because you announced before fanfest that you wanted to call out to people to go kill themselves, that's what YOU said !!!! You can not announce what you're going to say, then say it, then get a ton of crap and then go on radio, tell everyone you were messed up because of alcohol.... When you intended to say that crap all along. You are a liar and a cheat, do not feed the community anymore bullcrap, please. CCP should ban you permanently. Pre-Fanfest Video Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SKC00a0ovTA#t=0s
I like how the dude from massively got on an was like a dog with his tail between his legs the whole time. Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.04.05 04:22:00 -
[5142] - Quote
Jack Parr wrote:I'm betting mitani is level 30 by now in WOW. He's had a couple of days to work on his new character. I just hope he got into that sparkly vampire RP guild. I can't wait for his upcoming posts detailing how much he's having in WOW.
I just hope he comes back.
Yea I wonder if he RPs as hard in other games as he does here. Wonder if he RPs The Mittani in Starfleet Dental on Star Trek Online
Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
530
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Posted - 2012.04.05 05:14:00 -
[5143] - Quote
How being seen as a Cyber-bully will affect one in real life.... that would be relevant were it not for the fact the infraction had nothing to do with cyber-bullying or inciting to cyber-bully. Were Mitt a true leader he'd disabuse his "followers" of this notion and level with them. If he's indeed a lawyer, as has been said, he knows the infraction has to do with other things. He also knows that if it did get out, it would certainly negatively impact him in real life. He's also been told, in order to get a law degree (if this, again, can be believed) he's an officer of the court, and his behavior is under scrutiny.
Given all that, if he continues in this vein of mischaracterizing the facts of the situation, and in any way is prodding or urging his membership to conduct cyber-bullying, then his chosen profession was ill-chosen. But, he doesn't really care if his "followers" wallow in ignorance, as he leads them on about what really transpired...what lines were crossed...and he really can't claim it's all in-game role playing. So, any ostracization he recieves in real life as a result of him being himself is not only justified, it's well-deserved, and I can't believe he'd be crying about it. It is, after all, what he was after. And, he got it.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
13
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Posted - 2012.04.05 05:21:00 -
[5144] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Jack Parr wrote:I'm betting mitani is level 30 by now in WOW. He's had a couple of days to work on his new character. I just hope he got into that sparkly vampire RP guild. I can't wait for his upcoming posts detailing how much he's having in WOW.
I just hope he comes back. Yea I wonder if he RPs as hard in other games as he does here. Wonder if he RPs The Mittani in Starfleet Dental on Star Trek Online Harry Farina wrote:Jack Parr wrote:
I just hope he comes back.
He never really left. He leads goons with other than in game methods. One of the things he boasted about in a recent message to the goons was that he is famous for never logging on or something to that effect. I suspect that is true. The ban itself had little if any impact on his leadership but being removed from the csm surely hurt. You can see THAT effect in the editor's thoughts at the end of the massively apology article "This entire week, we've received dozens of harassing emails and tweets about how the Goonswarm believes that we (Massively) practiced poor journalism, sensationalized the entire event, and painted The Mittani in a negative light. Well, now I can say that we're officially being cyber-bullied as it is defined by Wikipedia: "the use of information and communication technologies to support deliberate, repeated, and hostile behavior by an individual or group, that is intended to harm others." Those links are only a fraction of what's out there. But don't take my word for it; let's allow The Mittani to speak for himself: (3:34:02 AM) the_mittani: broadcast all-all Gentlegoons, I am delighted to report that Brendan Drain has edited his offending statements in his Massively coverage and apologized. He has now handled this properly, and we can stop sending glowering looks his way. No longer is my real name or the false label 'cyberbully' attached; hi5s all around. Tomorrow we will have another episode of Goonswarm Strikes Back: The Media Edition."
And I applaud the editor at massively for not cowering down the same way Nyphur did. The Mittani has been using his brainwashed alliance to serve his will not only in game but now out of game. And seeing as how I haven't done it yet I would also like to credit the only two csm's that were outspoken about his actions; Issler Dainze and Darius III. All the other csm's tried to downplay what he did and keep him in game or were simply silent. Silence is the same as supporting him in my opinion.
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Red Garsk
Strategic Tactics And Recon - Industry Division
8
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:27:00 -
[5145] - Quote
Harry Farina wrote: And I applaud the editor at massively for not cowering down the same way Nyphur did. The Mittani has been using his brainwashed alliance to serve his will not only in game but now out of game. And seeing as how I haven't done it yet I would also like to credit the only two csm's that were outspoken about his actions; Issler Dainze and Darius III. All the other csm's tried to downplay what he did and keep him in game or were simply silent. Silence is the same as supporting him in my opinion.
I think after the Pre-Fanfest video interview on YouTube the editor might want to change things back to the original because he changed it on false information and lies. |
Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
16
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:47:00 -
[5146] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/J42oU.gif |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
353
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Posted - 2012.04.05 07:58:00 -
[5147] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:The Slide is the smoking gun. The slide was screened and cleared by CCP before the presentation and did not brake the EULA/TOS so how can it be a smoking gun?
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Jita Alt666
991
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Posted - 2012.04.05 09:21:00 -
[5148] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Rico Minali wrote:[quote=Elsebeth Rhiannon]
What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc please read: Quote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense? Quote: 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine). immediate permanent ban Immediate PERMINANTban If it was any of us guess which part of that would be true? It damn sure wouldnt be 30 days Double post cause "too many quotes"
I find it amusing that your sig and this post provide a complete juxtaposition
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Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
17
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:22:00 -
[5149] - Quote
Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harry Farina wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harry Farina wrote:The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much. Respect is earned, not deserved. So tell me how you treat random strangers. They clearly haven't earned your respect. I mean how could they if they have never met you. Everybody new you meet is obviously disrespecting you. And what exactly is the criteria for your "respect". I give everyone a basic level of respect, and generally people may call it good manners. That is something I give freely. However from that point on it is upto them whether the go up or down.
If only we could teach good manners to the goons. I'll leave that task up to you cause god knows I'm not up to it. Let me know how it goes. Good Luck.
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Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
15
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 10:42:00 -
[5150] - Quote
https://twitter.com/#!/TheMittani/status/187652419205865474
"heh" |
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
534
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:47:00 -
[5151] - Quote
Harry Farina wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harry Farina wrote:Kalathia Eginald wrote:Harry Farina wrote:The Mittani isn't treating any of us with the respect we deserve. And we are speaking up thank you very much. Respect is earned, not deserved. So tell me how you treat random strangers. They clearly haven't earned your respect. I mean how could they if they have never met you. Everybody new you meet is obviously disrespecting you. And what exactly is the criteria for your "respect". I give everyone a basic level of respect, and generally people may call it good manners. That is something I give freely. However from that point on it is upto them whether the go up or down. If only we could teach good manners to the goons. I'll leave that task up to you cause god knows I'm not up to it. Let me know how it goes. Good Luck. Once I tried to teach a cat to roll the toilet paper back onto the roll.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
Harry Farina
Assisted Genocide Unprovoked Aggression
18
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:29:00 -
[5152] - Quote
Serene the image you put into my head is making me laugh nonstop. |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
135
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 11:30:00 -
[5153] - Quote
Bumping for lols Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Ankerr Feranniss
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 11:36:00 -
[5154] - Quote
LOL at anyone believing any apology coming from Mittani could ever be honest... of course it wasn't, you shouldn't even have needed the media campaign he ensued afterwards to understand that, but as much as there's people believing in Santa Claus (and who voted for him in the CSM) there's always going to be people believing in his good hartedness and all that :D
This whole episode is so very laughable because of other reasons too... Fist, the very fact that Gianturco would say that he, as a person, sends his apologies while The Mittani would not... this makes it all look like he's doing RP all along, while the exact opposite is true of him and the whole fo Goonswarm. The very own Goons culture is based upon the lack of RP, the mockery of anyone who does it, but more, the disregard of people who have a consistent behaviour in game or out of it, the stepping over boundaries, the total avoidance of common social rules. They laugh at people who "take the game seriously" and their only rule is to crush them mercilessy by any means possible, in game and out. In a few words, for a Goon the word "honour" and "respect" are totally meaningless both in game and out of it. What they practice is not definable as Roleplaying, but as Metagaming. I wonder what does it take to realize that. Second, it's also amazingly funny how much they have built up their outrage at what the media and the GMs did to teher beloved spymaster. As someone noted already, they're tackling this in a tremendously serious effort, for an alliance who thinks and boasts that nothing is serious.
Oh, and yes, this is an alt. I still would like to play the game, thanks. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
120
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 13:26:00 -
[5155] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Rico Minali wrote:[quote=Elsebeth Rhiannon]
What I hav ebeen protesting against is the people obviously using it to try and leverage ccp into banning The Mittani simply because they hate him/gsf/cfc please read: Quote:Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote: Did you guys who want to use RP as an excuse know that CCP Rules & Policies explicitly forbid the use of RP as an excuse of acting in an offensive way, and lists doing so as bannable offense? Quote: 3. HARASSMENT An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player: a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. Severe offences may result in an immediate ban without warning; however, warnings may be given for first time offenses, followed by account suspensions of varying degree and ultimately a permanent ban if a player: a. Is abusive, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, ethnically or racially offensive, or threatening to another player or an official EVE Online representative. b. Uses role-playing as an excuse for violating the guidelines regarding fair play with others. c. Sends excessive e-mails, EVE-mails or petitions, petitions with false information or repeatedly petitions under the wrong category in an effort to circumvent the customer support queue. Source: http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/banning.asp (emphasis mine). immediate permanent ban Immediate PERMINANTban If it was any of us guess which part of that would be true? It damn sure wouldnt be 30 days Double post cause "too many quotes" I find it amusing that your sig and this post provide a complete juxtaposition
Im sorry, I didnt know "goon" was one person
as thats the way harrassment in this game IS ALWAYS characterized BY the GOONS when the miners and those they gank bring it up
Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
122
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 15:06:00 -
[5156] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:
Im sorry, I didnt know "goon" was one person
as thats the way harrassment in this game IS ALWAYS characterized BY the GOONS when the miners and those they gank bring it up
Or is this NOT the case not because its more convenient for it not to be? Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Cosmic Fart
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:36:00 -
[5157] - Quote
I came to say something profound but all has been said a number of times already.
However... I must admit I'm enjoying the tears from the Goon party. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
122
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 15:57:00 -
[5158] - Quote
Cosmic Fart wrote:I came to say something profound but all has been said a number of times already.
However... I must admit I'm enjoying the tears from the Goon party.
cant have the WiS thread above this one now can we? Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.04.05 16:32:00 -
[5159] - Quote
whaaaaat its not dead enough yet Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1415
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 17:15:00 -
[5160] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:whaaaaat its not dead enough yet
That's because the supporters on both sides of this issue will 'Never Surrender'. |
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
220
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 17:17:00 -
[5161] - Quote
When people post in a thread implying they wish it was dead, it does make me suspect the wish is not entirely genuine... |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
152
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 17:17:00 -
[5162] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:whaaaaat its not dead enough yet That's because the supporters on both sides of this issue will ' Never Surrender'.
Well they ARE surrendering given the WiS thread is winning Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
124
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Posted - 2012.04.05 19:01:00 -
[5163] - Quote
woooo! Its finally dead! Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1415
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 19:08:00 -
[5164] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:whaaaaat its not dead enough yet That's because the supporters on both sides of this issue will ' Never Surrender'. Well they ARE surrendering given the WiS thread is winning
I don't understand how the WiS thread is winning and more importantly, how it even remotely relates to this thread. Nor do I see anyone surrendering.
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:When people post in a thread implying they wish it was dead, it does make me suspect the wish is not entirely genuine...
It could very well only be one side making the wish. However, it does seem like the overall community is losing interest in this thread.
However, for a thread to be truly dead, it would require an act of Divine Providence, basically the hand of almighty CCP coming down to smite it, never to be resurrected ever again. It would only be fitting to have a Dirge for an act such as that.
*DMC watches the Funeral Procession march by, turns and walks away.
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
120
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 19:10:00 -
[5165] - Quote
This thread reminds me of my ex-wives ...
Just .... wont .... go .... away !!!!!!!
Nothing clever at this time. |
Hans Zwaardhandler
Borealis Mining Concern IMPERIAL LEGI0N
13
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:05:00 -
[5166] - Quote
A pity for the person who was antagonized by Mittens. The latter person is rather nice in my own opinion when it comes to intelligent talk in his column, but Mittens went a bit overboard on this last issue right here; though it is somewhat sad to see the temporary fall and decline of a titanic figure in Eve, it is for the best after what happened. Though the cyberbully tag is a bit much, Mittens definitely should have thought that all the way through before anything else.
If the Mittani does come back to Eve and can get back into the CSM, I welcome him, regardless of political and alignment differences. From what I have seen, he is a relatively good person, and it would be sad to see such a massive figure in the history of Eve stay banned or leave. |
Jita Alt666
991
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Posted - 2012.04.05 20:51:00 -
[5167] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:[quote=Richard Hammond II]whaaaaat its not dead enough yet That's because the supporters on both sides of this issue will ' Never Surrender'.
Well they ARE surrendering given the WiS thread is winning[/quotes WIS
Mittani vs WIS Page count: 205 vs 254 - Mittani wins
Oh and I've just bumped Mittani to top again.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
130
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 22:39:00 -
[5168] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:This thread reminds me of my ex-wives ...
Just .... wont .... go .... away !!!!!!!
ya that happens when you post in it like this
DeMichael Crimson wrote: I don't understand how the WiS thread is winning and more importantly, how it even remotely relates to this thread. Nor do I see anyone surrendering.
It relates cause someone else in this thread was trying to keep this thread ahead of the WiS thread
Quote:Though the cyberbully tag is a bit much,
Yeah it sucks when you cyberbully someone and then get tagged as a cyberbully Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
130
|
Posted - 2012.04.05 22:55:00 -
[5169] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Mittani vs WIS Page count: 205 vs 254 - Mittani wins
Oh and I've just bumped Mittani to top again.
moreso actually:
first post WiS thread: #1 Posted: 2011.10.24 19:51 206 pages six months or so
My apology Mittens thread: #1 Posted: 2012.03.27 00:09 254 pages 9 days
lol Mittens wins
Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:01:00 -
[5170] - Quote
even banned he controls your game wololol |
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:12:00 -
[5171] - Quote
Lanasak wrote:even banned he controls your game wololol
may I ask how? I resubbed for the forum game not the MMO This forum still is more fun than the MMO
Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
793
|
Posted - 2012.04.06 01:25:00 -
[5172] - Quote
Nice apology.
Shame that it isn't genuine. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
Animated Corporate Logos |
Jita Alt666
991
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Posted - 2012.04.06 01:29:00 -
[5173] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Nice apology.
Shame that it isn't genuine.
What are you talking about?
This thread is about how drunk players mean more to Eev Online than walking in stations. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
131
|
Posted - 2012.04.06 03:03:00 -
[5174] - Quote
Jita Alt666 wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Nice apology.
Shame that it isn't genuine. What are you talking about? This thread is about how drunk players mean more to Eev Online than walking in stations.
this and true Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
222
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Posted - 2012.04.06 03:15:00 -
[5175] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Nice apology.
Shame that it isn't genuine. What are you talking about? This thread is about how streaming drunk players live with no delay for profit means more to Eve Online than walking in stations. this and true
Fixed. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Jita Alt666
993
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Posted - 2012.04.06 05:52:00 -
[5176] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Nice apology.
Shame that it isn't genuine. What are you talking about? This thread is about how streaming drunk players live with no delay for profit means more to Eve Online than walking in stations. this and true Fixed.
Pertinent adjustment
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GOON TEARS BEST-TEARS
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.04.06 08:55:00 -
[5177] - Quote
Poasting in a "Goon Tears" Thread, and also to keep this topic active, cos its funny... lolz |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
355
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Posted - 2012.04.06 08:57:00 -
[5178] - Quote
GOON TEARS BEST-TEARS wrote:Poasting in a "Goon Tears" Thread, and also to keep this topic active, cos its funny... lolz You do realize that your name is full of your tears, right? |
Red Garsk
Strategic Tactics And Recon - Industry Division
13
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Posted - 2012.04.06 10:17:00 -
[5179] - Quote
I refuse to let it die... |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
542
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Posted - 2012.04.06 10:26:00 -
[5180] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Mittani vs WIS Page count: 205 vs 254 - Mittani wins
Oh and I've just bumped Mittani to top again. moreso actually: first post WiS thread: #1 Posted: 2011.10.24 19:51 206 pages six months or so My apology Mittens thread: #1 Posted: 2012.03.27 00:09 254 pages 9 days lol Mittens wins
Yeah he won the big price ,did he? pushing that button ,not expecting something. But suddenly the door opens and the next thing i see myself flooting in space,just before i wake up again. thank god for clones |
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2012.04.06 13:39:00 -
[5181] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Mittani vs WIS Page count: 205 vs 254 - Mittani wins
Oh and I've just bumped Mittani to top again. moreso actually: first post WiS thread: #1 Posted: 2011.10.24 19:51 206 pages six months or so My apology Mittens thread: #1 Posted: 2012.03.27 00:09 254 pages 9 days lol Mittens wins Yeah he won the big price ,did he?
we could only hope as ccp seem to be more interested in giving him the smaller prize and showing us they dont like punishing their friends as they would the rest of us. Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1426
|
Posted - 2012.04.06 15:38:00 -
[5182] - Quote
WTH?
I distinctly remember a Funeral Procession. Thought this Devil and it's Demon Spawn finally got buried.
*DeMichael Crimson sounds the Alarm and summons The Exorcist |
Red Garsk
Strategic Tactics And Recon - Industry Division
13
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:38:00 -
[5183] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:we could only hope as ccp seem to be more interested in giving him the smaller prize and showing us they dont like punishing their friends as they would the rest of us.
I like your signature :) |
Jita Alt666
994
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:32:00 -
[5184] - Quote
Welcome back to page 1. |
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
1-800-FUBAR
140
|
Posted - 2012.04.06 21:36:00 -
[5185] - Quote
Bumping for trolls Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
138
|
Posted - 2012.04.07 04:33:00 -
[5186] - Quote
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Bumping for trolls
This too and dont forget
DeMichael Crimson wrote: FYI - You would be wise to tread lightly and make sure you don't cross any lines. CCP is now being very diligent with forum moderation and enforcing rules due to the recent FF fiasco. Just remember, Big Brother is watching.
Oh yes, also,
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Third, stop trying to derail this thread. Your reply is off topic and nothing more than a troll post. It's obvious your intention is to create a flame war. As such your reply is now reported. If you continue posting off topic replies in this thread, I as well as others, will use the 'Report' option every time.
rofl Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
287
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Posted - 2012.04.07 04:38:00 -
[5187] - Quote
Richard Aiel wrote:Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Bumping for trolls This too and dont forget DeMichael Crimson wrote: FYI - You would be wise to tread lightly and make sure you don't cross any lines. CCP is now being very diligent with forum moderation and enforcing rules due to the recent FF fiasco. Just remember, Big Brother is watching.
Yeah we saw how well the forum live stream was moderated. Super Pro broadcasting drunks at a corporate event on a live feed with no delay for profit and inadvertently violating your own TOS and EULA in the process.
Super Pro!
CCP will definitely get corporate awards for sensitivity and moderation excellence...from Sony... He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Red Garsk
Strategic Tactics And Recon - Industry Division
15
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Posted - 2012.04.07 05:10:00 -
[5188] - Quote
Haha lol... Awards... that made me laugh. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2012.04.07 18:04:00 -
[5189] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Bumping for trolls This too and dont forget DeMichael Crimson wrote: FYI - You would be wise to tread lightly and make sure you don't cross any lines. CCP is now being very diligent with forum moderation and enforcing rules due to the recent FF fiasco. Just remember, Big Brother is watching.
Yeah we saw how well the forum live stream was moderated. Super Pro broadcasting drunks at a corporate event on a live feed with no delay for profit and inadvertently violating your own TOS and EULA in the process. Super Pro! CCP will definitely get corporate awards for sensitivity and moderation excellence...from Sony...
lol good one Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
156
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 00:48:00 -
[5190] - Quote
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote:Bumping for trolls
this
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.04.08 03:19:00 -
[5191] - Quote
Red Garsk wrote:I refuse to let it die...
This too
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
175
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Posted - 2012.04.08 03:24:00 -
[5192] - Quote
i can't wait for mittens to post in this thread
at this rate it'll be at 1000 pages when he's unbanned Don't mind me, I'm just adding content to threads that otherwise have none. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
157
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Posted - 2012.04.08 03:28:00 -
[5193] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:i can't wait for mittens to post in this thread
at this rate it'll be at 1000 pages when he's unbanned
Itll be funny... what he doesnt have any alt accounts? Or were they all banned too? Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
YuuKnow
The Long Kiss Goodnight
178
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Posted - 2012.04.08 04:35:00 -
[5194] - Quote
Can we have a lock please? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1479
|
Posted - 2012.04.08 23:49:00 -
[5195] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: FYI - You would be wise to tread lightly and make sure you don't cross any lines. CCP is now being very diligent with forum moderation and enforcing rules due to the recent FF fiasco. Just remember, Big Brother is watching.
Yeah we saw how well the forum live stream was moderated. Super Pro broadcasting drunks at a corporate event on a live feed with no delay for profit and inadvertently violating your own TOS and EULA in the process. Super Pro! CCP will definitely get corporate awards for sensitivity and moderation excellence...from Sony... Typical goon puppet takes a quote from a different thread which is being heavily moderated and places it here in this rage thread. This one's for you. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
201
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Posted - 2012.04.09 00:00:00 -
[5196] - Quote
YuuKnow wrote:Can we have a lock please?
Agreed, this thread must of out lived its usefulness by now. |
Khergit Deserters
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.09 01:38:00 -
[5197] - Quote
This is still ongoing news. As in, new things are still happening, the story's not done yet. Don't ADHD, keep your attention span up and nourished. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
201
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 01:41:00 -
[5198] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:bump
Why bump it, without adding anything constructive? But then there's nothing constructive about this thread any longer. |
Khergit Deserters
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.04.09 01:43:00 -
[5199] - Quote
Apologies for just bumping. Reconsidered right after and edited. |
Commit Sudoku
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 01:46:00 -
[5200] - Quote
| (GÇó GùíGÇó) | |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
161
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 01:59:00 -
[5201] - Quote
Commit Sudoku wrote:| (GÇó GùíGÇó) |
adventure time?
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
193
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Posted - 2012.04.09 14:58:00 -
[5202] - Quote
So.... is it true that Mittani sponges off his wife while she works full-time? |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1485
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 15:03:00 -
[5203] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:i can't wait for mittens to post in this thread
at this rate it'll be at 1000 pages when he's unbanned Itll be funny... what he doesnt have any alt accounts? Or were they all banned too? What? You haven't noticed the timely dissapearance of several prominent Goons on these forums? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.04.09 15:27:00 -
[5204] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:i can't wait for mittens to post in this thread
at this rate it'll be at 1000 pages when he's unbanned Itll be funny... what he doesnt have any alt accounts? Or were they all banned too? What? You haven't noticed the timely dissapearance of several prominent Goons on these forums?
Dont pay attention to them Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1485
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 15:30:00 -
[5205] - Quote
Well in all seriousness there was one called Ladie Scarlett (I think) that I blocked because she would just flat out troll every thread she looked at. Now I cannot see a single post from her at all. This is a mystery I am willing to live with though.
EDIT: Meh...it was Ladie Harlot. I think she is a "Mittani alt" anyway. Yeah...gonna go ahead and call this one confirmed since her last post was the 26th which is I believe the day Mittani's account was banned. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
987
|
Posted - 2012.04.09 15:33:00 -
[5206] - Quote
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Mittani vs WIS Page count: 205 vs 254 - Mittani wins
Oh and I've just bumped Mittani to top again. moreso actually: first post WiS thread: #1 Posted: 2011.10.24 19:51 206 pages six months or so My apology Mittens thread: #1 Posted: 2012.03.27 00:09 254 pages 9 days lol Mittens wins Yeah he won the big price ,did he?
Nope, Gallente and blasters stuff did, and if that thread is not going up any more it's because almost everyone that posted in is already cross trained Drakes or Canes. There are still nerds using gallente ships at gates and station undocks or just for ganking, nothing changes. Welcome new drake and next threadnaught
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
164
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 01:05:00 -
[5207] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Wasn't the first titan lost due to the guy flying it having the power cut to his house by someone allied with the enemies in the fleet fight? The legend is that an HVAC repairman cut his power when instructed to by the alliance command.
after reading this mittens' oopsie doesnt feel so bad Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Skilfer Azizora
Nova Corps Marines Group
6
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 04:02:00 -
[5208] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Wasn't the first titan lost due to the guy flying it having the power cut to his house by someone allied with the enemies in the fleet fight? The legend is that an HVAC repairman cut his power when instructed to by the alliance command. after reading this mittens' oopsie doesnt feel so bad
Read up on the many wars with BoB. You will learn of a lot of outrageous things. |
Jaigar
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe R.E.P.O.
35
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 13:14:00 -
[5209] - Quote
I feel for Mittens. While I've hated his attitude a while back during some fire side chats about mining in W-Holes, I completely understand people saying stupid crap while drunk. Its one of the reasons I try to avoid getting trashed anymore. |
Trygonus
Never After
6
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 16:17:00 -
[5210] - Quote
Why does The Mittani still have the CSM tag on his avatar? Is he still on the CSM?
I'm confused. |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
165
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 19:43:00 -
[5211] - Quote
Skilfer Azizora wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Wasn't the first titan lost due to the guy flying it having the power cut to his house by someone allied with the enemies in the fleet fight? The legend is that an HVAC repairman cut his power when instructed to by the alliance command. after reading this mittens' oopsie doesnt feel so bad Read up on the many wars with BoB. You will learn of a lot of outrageous things.
I was there on my main for T20 and that era... I was watching the forums hearing a lotta things already lol Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
621
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 19:56:00 -
[5212] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Nope, Gallente and blasters stuff did, and if that thread is not going up any more it's because almost everyone that posted in is already cross trained Drakes or Canes. There are still nerds using gallente ships at gates and station undocks or just for ganking, nothing changes. Welcome new drake and next threadnaught quit making me regret being a Gallente loyalist. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Sunviking
The Shining Knights
26
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 20:12:00 -
[5213] - Quote
Kaivar Lancer wrote:So.... is it true that Mittani sponges off his wife while she works full-time?
This makes me wonder too.
If he is 'retired' from Law, then what does he actually do with his time? Does he even work anymore? Is he a House Husband? |
Traejun DiSanctis
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 20:21:00 -
[5214] - Quote
Sunviking wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:So.... is it true that Mittani sponges off his wife while she works full-time? This makes me wonder too. If he is 'retired' from Law, then what does he actually do with his time? Does he even work anymore? Is he a House Husband?
He plays EvE...that's his job. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
165
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 20:55:00 -
[5215] - Quote
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Sunviking wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:So.... is it true that Mittani sponges off his wife while she works full-time? This makes me wonder too. If he is 'retired' from Law, then what does he actually do with his time? Does he even work anymore? Is he a House Husband? He plays EvE...that's his job.
Not for 30 days.... Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
304
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 21:14:00 -
[5216] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Sunviking wrote:[quote=Kaivar Lancer]So.... is it true that Mittani sponges off his wife while she works full-time?[/quote
This makes me wonder too
If he is 'retired' from Law, then what does he actually do with his time? Does he even work anymore? Is he a House Husband? He plays EvE...that's his job. Not for 30 days....
Clearly you aced "counting" in kindergarten..
Today is the 10th
18 days...
Also confirming that parrots and puppets are parrots and puppets. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Dammit Spock
E Pluribus Funk
0
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 21:35:00 -
[5217] - Quote
Skilfer Azizora wrote: Read up on the many wars with BoB. You will learn of a lot of outrageous things.
Can we pretent that airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars, I could really use a wish right now, wish right now
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
165
|
Posted - 2012.04.10 21:48:00 -
[5218] - Quote
Darth Gustav wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote:Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Sunviking wrote:[quote=Kaivar Lancer]So.... is it true that Mittani sponges off his wife while she works full-time?[/quote
This makes me wonder too
If he is 'retired' from Law, then what does he actually do with his time? Does he even work anymore? Is he a House Husband? He plays EvE...that's his job. Not for 30 days.... Clearly you aced "counting" in kindergarten.. Today is the 10th 18 days... Also confirming that parrots and puppets are parrots and puppets.
no, just showing I could care less what the actual date was. Nice to see YOU care though
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
377
|
Posted - 2012.04.11 00:09:00 -
[5219] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:
no, just showing I could care less what the actual date was. Nice to see YOU care though
noone else seems to tho lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722
My stance on WiS |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
136
|
Posted - 2012.04.11 01:23:00 -
[5220] - Quote
Coming soon ... free cake in Jita!
Nothing clever at this time. |
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Alexia Canada
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
9
|
Posted - 2012.04.11 02:00:00 -
[5221] - Quote
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Sunviking wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:So.... is it true that Mittani sponges off his wife while she works full-time? This makes me wonder too. If he is 'retired' from Law, then what does he actually do with his time? Does he even work anymore? Is he a House Husband? He plays EvE...that's his job.
Except he doesn't play eve
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Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
65
|
Posted - 2012.04.11 02:08:00 -
[5222] - Quote
Sunviking wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:So.... is it true that Mittani sponges off his wife while she works full-time? This makes me wonder too. If he is 'retired' from Law, then what does he actually do with his time? Does he even work anymore? Is he a House Husband?
He posts.
Never not post. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
182
|
Posted - 2012.04.11 02:12:00 -
[5223] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:
no, just showing I could care less what the actual date was. Nice to see YOU care though
Saying "I don't care" is a real man's defense. |
Bane Necran
268
|
Posted - 2012.04.11 02:16:00 -
[5224] - Quote
Jaigar wrote: I completely understand people saying stupid crap while drunk. Its one of the reasons I try to avoid getting trashed anymore.
Sure, but you must have had things you said haunt you, too. Why should he get special treatment? It's just the way it is with the booze.
He was also a representative in a pretty public situation, so he should have exercised more caution. I've made a drunken goof of myself in game and on the forums a few times, but i'm just some random guy who only represents himself. I alone bear the weight of anything i say or do. Mittani, however, made EVE players and CCP look bad.
Like i've already said, though. Him being removed from the CSM and getting a 30 day ban is enough. This thread is just inane now. If people really care about this so much, wait for him in Jita. I know i'll be there. |
Trygonus
Never After
8
|
Posted - 2012.04.12 08:24:00 -
[5225] - Quote
I'm really confused right now. I see in dev blogs that The Mittani has been banned from CSM 6 and CSM 7, yet... there is that CSM banner on his avatar picture. So he is still on the CSM?
Would CCP please comment/clarify. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
621
|
Posted - 2012.04.12 09:22:00 -
[5226] - Quote
Alexia Canada wrote:Traejun DiSanctis wrote:Sunviking wrote:Kaivar Lancer wrote:So.... is it true that Mittani sponges off his wife while she works full-time? This makes me wonder too. If he is 'retired' from Law, then what does he actually do with his time? Does he even work anymore? Is he a House Husband? He plays EvE...that's his job. Except he doesn't play eve True masters of EVE play without ever logging in, doncha know.
They would have to ban him from goon forums, comms, and jabber, in order to actually keep him from playing the game. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Trygonus
Never After
8
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 08:17:00 -
[5227] - Quote
Trygonus wrote:I'm really confused right now. I see in dev blogs that The Mittani has been banned from CSM 6 and CSM 7, yet... there is that CSM banner on his avatar picture. So he is still on the CSM?
Would CCP please comment/clarify.
Still would like a CCP response. Is he on the CSM or not? |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 08:47:00 -
[5228] - Quote
Trygonus wrote:Still would like a CCP response. Is he on the CSM or not? And on the 18th day this topic rose from the grave and hopefully ascended into heaven. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3317
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 09:35:00 -
[5229] - Quote
Trygonus wrote:Trygonus wrote:I'm really confused right now. I see in dev blogs that The Mittani has been banned from CSM 6 and CSM 7, yet... there is that CSM banner on his avatar picture. So he is still on the CSM?
Would CCP please comment/clarify. Still would like a CCP response. Is he on the CSM or not?
People like you are why there should be a test you have to pass to be allowed on the Internet Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Beat General
Sons of Retribution Malice Alliance
3
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 10:18:00 -
[5230] - Quote
Get owned.
Should be permabanned from the game IMO. |
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Trygonus
Never After
8
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 15:39:00 -
[5231] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Trygonus wrote:Trygonus wrote:I'm really confused right now. I see in dev blogs that The Mittani has been banned from CSM 6 and CSM 7, yet... there is that CSM banner on his avatar picture. So he is still on the CSM?
Would CCP please comment/clarify. Still would like a CCP response. Is he on the CSM or not? People like you are why there should be a test you have to pass to be allowed on the Internet
Now that's just a rude thing to say. My question is a legitimate one. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1510
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 15:43:00 -
[5232] - Quote
Trygonus wrote:Malcanis wrote:Trygonus wrote:Trygonus wrote:I'm really confused right now. I see in dev blogs that The Mittani has been banned from CSM 6 and CSM 7, yet... there is that CSM banner on his avatar picture. So he is still on the CSM?
Would CCP please comment/clarify. Still would like a CCP response. Is he on the CSM or not? People like you are why there should be a test you have to pass to be allowed on the Internet Now that's just a rude thing to say. My question is a legitimate one. Except that if you read even a single page of this thread it would be blatantly obvious as to what the answer is to your question. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 16:56:00 -
[5233] - Quote
Beat General wrote:Get owned.
Should be permabanned from the game IMO. Ya know I used to think Mittani was a douche and should go away forever too, but after reading post after post AFTER POST of sooooo many yummy tears (and a few youtube videos), I think I'm starting to like the guy. Anyone who can solicit this many tears from the general public is a troll after my own heart. I salute you comrade Mittans, you are indeed CEO of our hearts. o7
April showers bring.... JITA FIRE! |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
570
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 17:07:00 -
[5234] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote: Ya know I used to think Mittani was a douche...I salute you comrade Mittans, you are indeed CEO of our hearts. o7 This is SO very obvious, good little puppet that you are. Mitt saw his "apology" (loose use of that word) sinking to page three on the listing, so he had you trot out and post ANYTHING at all. What'd you get for this, a little doggy bone? (Certainly not a t-bone.) A little Milkbone, perhaps? That's right. We all just came down with yesterday's rain.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1514
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 17:07:00 -
[5235] - Quote
Come on guys! Mittani needs to come back to no less than 300 pages of spewage! Keep posting or this thread will fall short! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Jitageddon Is Coming
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 17:32:00 -
[5236] - Quote
IT WON'T BE PONG AND ALL YOU PATHETICS WILL BE WRITING YOUR OWN APOLOGY THREAD TO THE MITTANI. PREPARE TO GET TAKEN TO THE OWN ZONE FOOLS!!! |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1514
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 17:37:00 -
[5237] - Quote
Jitageddon Is Coming wrote:IT WON'T BE PONG AND ALL YOU PATHETICS WILL BE WRITING YOUR OWN APOLOGY THREAD TO THE MITTANI. PREPARE TO GET TAKEN TO THE OWN ZONE FOOLS!!! HA HA HA HA HA! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Ismol Mond
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 17:40:00 -
[5238] - Quote
Whew I just finished reading every post in this thread and I must say it was well worth it. Not saying that it is the best way to judge a game but you can get a sense of the 'life' of a game by its forums and EVE is very healthy, alive and diverse. The best post though was that one on page... I can't remember exactly, it was somewhere in the 100's . It was the post that said whatever else one might say about certain players famous or infamous they have left an indelible mark on the game and that is more than most of us will do. Serenity Steele, SirMolle, Mittani, Serena Repose will all be remembered long after Eve Online goes FTP and no one plays anymore. So hats off to the memorable players who contributed in one way or another to this awesome game. |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 17:41:00 -
[5239] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote: Ya know I used to think Mittani was a douche...I salute you comrade Mittans, you are indeed CEO of our hearts. o7 That isn't what I wrote...
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Jangizal
0utbreak Outbreak.
0
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 17:44:00 -
[5240] - Quote
I voted for Elise Randolph anyways. Good luck in the future with your reputation, False Mitties. |
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T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 17:58:00 -
[5241] - Quote
Jangizal wrote:I voted for Elise Randolph anyways. Good luck in the future with your reputation, False Mitties. (in his best amarrian voice) Beware the false Mittiahs! |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
17
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 18:00:00 -
[5242] - Quote
i wonder when they will lock this thread |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
241
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 18:06:00 -
[5243] - Quote
Perhaps if we all keep poasting..... |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
14
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 18:07:00 -
[5244] - Quote
DANCE for the Mittiah you space MONKEYS! |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 18:09:00 -
[5245] - Quote
I'LL HELP |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
161
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 18:59:00 -
[5246] - Quote
This apology seems kind of insincere. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 19:02:00 -
[5247] - Quote
For the love of Lucifer will someone please lock this thread before someone hurts themself. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
161
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 19:03:00 -
[5248] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote:For the love of Lucifer will someone please lock this thread before someone hurts themself.
We need to keep this thread bumped. That watchmaker guy is gravedigging old threads to push this one down. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Sesame Seed
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.04.13 19:28:00 -
[5249] - Quote
Ismol Mond wrote:Whew I just finished reading every post in this thread and I must say it was well worth it. Not saying that it is the best way to judge a game but you can get a sense of the 'life' of a game by its forums and EVE is very healthy, alive and diverse. The best post though was that one on page... I can't remember exactly, it was somewhere in the 100's . It was the post that said whatever else one might say about certain players famous or infamous they have left an indelible mark on the game and that is more than most of us will do. Serenity Steele, SirMolle, Mittani, Serena Repose will all be remembered long after Eve Online goes FTP and no one plays anymore. So hats off to the memorable players who contributed in one way or another to this awesome game. I think you forgot Chribba. I've only been playing for a short while and I have already heard of him. I have heard of Mitt and Serene too but none of those other famous players |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
107
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 04:06:00 -
[5250] - Quote
awww why isnt this thread locked like all the other threads about it?
masternerdguy wrote:This apology seems kind of insincere.
SARCASM DETECTED
T-B0NE wrote:For the love of Lucifer will someone please lock this thread before someone hurts themself.
Wasnt that what started it in the first place?
awww too soon? "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
572
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 04:10:00 -
[5251] - Quote
Lock this thread. You locked my apology along with two others. So, lock this one. The forum is groaning under the weight. It is free advertising for chronic misbehavior, and elevates one who should be humbled. One can only assume CCP actually supports what this apology is about, rather than condemns it.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
23
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 04:11:00 -
[5252] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Lock this thread. You locked my apology along with two others. So, lock this one. The forum is groaning under the weight. It is free advertising for chronic misbehavior, and elevates one who should be humbled. One can only assume CCP actually supports what this apology is about, rather than condemns it. You still smell like prey...
GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
109
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 04:23:00 -
[5253] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Lock this thread. You locked my apology along with two others. So, lock this one. The forum is groaning under the weight. It is free advertising for chronic misbehavior, and elevates one who should be humbled. One can only assume CCP actually supports what this apology is about, rather than condemns it.
If they supported his apology he'd be permabanned, not given leeway none of us WOULD have gotten as we arent friends with ppl on staff. CCP has a horrible track record of this and its sad to see theyre continuing it.
Im more than willing to bet that if any rank and file EVE gamer were to cyberbully someone and try to get them to commit suicide, WE would be encouraged to find a new game if we were reported on it MUCH LESS being a CSM member drunkenly doing it in public.
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
572
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 04:34:00 -
[5254] - Quote
At the risk of repeating myself. Correction: It wasn't cyber-bullying. What was done wasn't done in-game. It was (contrary to Iceland's Media Act) using media covered by this act to advocate the commission of a felony. CCP's allowing Mitt's apology, taking his resignation before booting him thus allowing him to run for CSM again, ONLY a 30-day suspension (no ban), were all measures to make it appear CCP disapproved when they actually thought it was funny. They disapprove of the negative reaction.
Claming this all falls under cyber-bullying demonstrates a woeful lack of understanding the laws surrounding participating in drunken, public events broadcast openly on the media. CCP's response demonstrates either a.) Their legal beagles are oblivious of the legal parameters involved, or b.) They understand no one will report them to the appropriate authorities, so they only have to mollify us.
Allowing the subject to be shifted to cyber-bullying plays into Mitt's hands as it's irrelevant to what happened. Going on and on about cyber-bullying is what he wants. What he doesn't want is someone in Iceland reporting this to Iceland's Media Board.
What "we" want is to not be duped. So...this is the last time I'll post on this thread. If everyone else stops, and it stays on the front page listings, we can safely assume Goons are padding it to keep it there.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 04:43:00 -
[5255] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Claming this all falls under cyber-bullying demonstrates a woeful lack of understanding the laws surrounding participating in drunken, public events broadcast openly on the media. CCP's response demonstrates either a.) Their legal beagles are oblivious of the legal parameters involved, or b.) They understand no one will report them to the appropriate authorities, so they only have to mollify us. And yet I just can't bring myself to care. GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
573
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 04:48:00 -
[5256] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Claming this all falls under cyber-bullying demonstrates a woeful lack of understanding the laws surrounding participating in drunken, public events broadcast openly on the media. CCP's response demonstrates either a.) Their legal beagles are oblivious of the legal parameters involved, or b.) They understand no one will report them to the appropriate authorities, so they only have to mollify us. And yet I just can't bring myself to care. Since you're a Goon alt, no one expects you to. (I just had to throw that in there.)
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
25
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 04:50:00 -
[5257] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Since you're a Goon alt, no one expects you to. (I just had to throw that in there.) Ha, if only.
GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
111
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 05:17:00 -
[5258] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:
Claming this all falls under cyber-bullying .
getting many people in game to then bully the person on the internet isnt cyberbullying? Interesting as calling someone NAMES on Facebook can be considered cyberbullying but getting hundreds or even thousands of people to attempt to make someone commit suicide somehow isnt?
Ok, then their actions afterward where theyve bullied gaming media into taking down or changing the stories after the fact definately is
as for not knowing the definition:
cyberbully.us
Quote:The Cyberbullying Research Center is dedicated to providing up-to-date information about the nature, extent, causes, and consequences of cyberbullying among adolescents. Cyberbullying can be defined as "willful and repeated harm inflicted through the use of computers, cell phones, and other electronic devices."
Getting people to repeatedly contact/harrass the person for the purpose of them taking their own life sounds like this to me, Ill keep using the term
another definition
Quote:What Is Cyberbullying?
Cyberbullying is the use of technology to harass, threaten, embarrass, or target another person. By definition, it occurs among young people. When an adult is involved, it may meet the definition of cyber-harassment or cyber-stalking, a crime that can have legal consequences and involve jail time.
shall I continue?
The "I was drunk" defense doesnt work given that he wasnt drunk when planning the slides etc, and "I was drunk" tends to be an interesting (read flimsy) legal defense in most cases. Tends not to work so well in any case Ive ever heard of. "Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Boston Bradley
The Concordiat Concordiat Alliance
1
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 05:43:00 -
[5259] - Quote
Fake'd.
How do you forget saying something so evil.
Pfftt' |
Beat General
Sons of Retribution Malice Alliance
4
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 09:03:00 -
[5260] - Quote
LoL!
The "I was drunk" excuse.
Literally the worst one because it never works. Try telling that to a cop when they catch you for speeding.
OP is a sad attempt at trying to cover ass after stepping out of boundaries.
Most likely isn't "sorry" at all. lulz. |
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God Rays
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 09:45:00 -
[5261] - Quote
Man, am I the only one that doesn't believe in the sanctity of all life?
Some people are less than worthless, as they continue sucking up carbon/food/water/space.
Also, this thread is still going on, lul. |
EVE Stig
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
117
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 12:34:00 -
[5262] - Quote
Beat General wrote:LoL!
The "I was drunk" excuse.
Literally the worst one because it never works. Try telling that to a cop when they catch you for speeding.
OP is a sad attempt at trying to cover ass after stepping out of boundaries.
Most likely isn't "sorry" at all. lulz.
Serene bought it lol
"Some say that he is actually dead, but the Grim Reaper is too afraid to tell him." "Some say he is the 3rd member of Daft Punk and he did the vocals of "Technologic" song. All we know is,he's called EVE Stig"! |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
89
|
Posted - 2012.04.14 16:51:00 -
[5263] - Quote
http://i.qkme.me/3osgig.jpg On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
122
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 05:01:00 -
[5264] - Quote
..and yet, interestingly enough, this all resulted in CCPs attention being drawn to this individual and his presumed plight as well as assuring that they would make sure he wasn't treated unfairly or poorly in game and any such action may now bring forth more serious reprisal.
..approve of the apology as it seems sincere enough to me and I'm sure it is to a greater or lesser degree. Have yet to see what actually happened though. TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1604
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 05:06:00 -
[5265] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:..and yet, interestingly enough, this all resulted in CCPs attention being drawn to this individual and his presumed plight as well as assuring that they would make sure he wasn't treated unfairly or poorly in game and any such action may now bring forth more serious reprisal.
..approve of the apology as it seems sincere enough to me and I'm sure it is to a greater or lesser degree. Have yet to see what actually happened though. Seriously |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
122
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 05:12:00 -
[5266] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Mars Theran wrote:..and yet, interestingly enough, this all resulted in CCPs attention being drawn to this individual and his presumed plight as well as assuring that they would make sure he wasn't treated unfairly or poorly in game and any such action may now bring forth more serious reprisal.
..approve of the apology as it seems sincere enough to me and I'm sure it is to a greater or lesser degree. Have yet to see what actually happened though. Seriously
Just found it on youtube and watched it. Having read that bit of nonsense on screen.. really?? The guy runs 22 accounts-doesn't bot-all by himself after a divorce.. .what a load of BS. Not surprised the Mittani did that. I don't think it was that interestinbg but anyone can see the guy was full of crap and anyone with half a lick of sense wouldn't take any of that seriously.
In short, the guys a fn RMT, not a depressed, suicidal divorcee. Get over it.
..not sure what your little Ari youtube thing is about; seems kind of senseless and inappropriate. TIIP: The Incredible Invisible Poster |
Bane Necran
302
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 05:43:00 -
[5267] - Quote
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4427706620
I'll just leave this here. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1610
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 06:24:00 -
[5268] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Mars Theran wrote:..and yet, interestingly enough, this all resulted in CCPs attention being drawn to this individual and his presumed plight as well as assuring that they would make sure he wasn't treated unfairly or poorly in game and any such action may now bring forth more serious reprisal.
..approve of the apology as it seems sincere enough to me and I'm sure it is to a greater or lesser degree. Have yet to see what actually happened though. Seriously Just found it on youtube and watched it. Having read that bit of nonsense on screen.. really?? The guy runs 22 accounts-doesn't bot-all by himself after a divorce.. .what a load of BS. Not surprised the Mittani did that. I don't think it was that interestinbg but anyone can see the guy was full of crap and anyone with half a lick of sense wouldn't take any of that seriously. In short, the guys a fn RMT, not a depressed, suicidal divorcee. Get over it. ..not sure what your little Ari youtube thing is about; seems kind of senseless and inappropriate. Basically you need to pull your head out and do some research first before posting.
FYI - The victim is not a RMT bot. He has a bunch of computers all slaved to one control unit. He is actively controlling them and the set up was sanctioned and approved by CCP. Also it doesn't matter if the mail message was true or false.
What matters is your Messiah pre planned and used an Official CCP World Wide Live Video Feed to deliberately incite thousands of other players to go in-game and harass a potentially suicidal person with the sole intention to induce that person to act upon those tendencies and commit suicide.
Not only does it violate the EULA / TOS rules, it betrays the position of the CSM, is morally offensive and libel for criminal prosecution.
If you can't understand the legal implications that places on CCP, then you need to do exactly what Ari Gold was telling you.
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Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
60
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 06:26:00 -
[5269] - Quote
i see demichael crimson is still beating a dead, decomposed horse |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
46
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 06:26:00 -
[5270] - Quote
I like the Mittani more with every post to this thread. Someday I hope I can pull off a troll that results in a 5000+ tearfest. GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
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Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
60
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 06:27:00 -
[5271] - Quote
at this stage you're just kicking the skeleton |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1612
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 06:53:00 -
[5272] - Quote
Lanasak wrote:i see demichael crimson is still beating a dead, decomposed horse As long as there's people who seem to think that horse is alright, I as well as others will beat it to show em that horse can't be ridden anymore.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1612
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 06:55:00 -
[5273] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote:I like the Mittani more with every post to this thread. Someday I hope I can pull off a troll that results in a 5000+ tearfest. Obviously you haven't read this thread or you would have seen all the tears from Mittani's 'People'. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
257
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 11:28:00 -
[5274] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote:I like the Mittani more with every post to this thread. Someday I hope I can pull off a troll that results in a 5000+ tearfest.
You mean like the 5000+ goon tears that were shed after his ban?
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Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone Ironworks Coalition
61
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 11:33:00 -
[5275] - Quote
How is this thread still alive? The Gaming MoD - retro to modern, console to MMO, I blog about it if it's a game and I'm interested in it. Yes, I play games other than Eve and I don't care if you think I'm wrong. |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
70
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 12:15:00 -
[5276] - Quote
Mars Theran wrote: (btw didn't actually catch the name
you didnt catch the part wher ehe said ythe name, then spelled it....
you cant hear it when you have your fingers in your ears.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Mars Theran wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Mars Theran wrote:..and yet, interestingly enough, this all resulted in CCPs attention being drawn to this individual and his presumed plight as well as assuring that they would make sure he wasn't treated unfairly or poorly in game and any such action may now bring forth more serious reprisal.
..approve of the apology as it seems sincere enough to me and I'm sure it is to a greater or lesser degree. Have yet to see what actually happened though. Seriously Just found it on youtube and watched it. Having read that bit of nonsense on screen.. really?? The guy runs 22 accounts-doesn't bot-all by himself after a divorce.. .what a load of BS. Not surprised the Mittani did that. I don't think it was that interestinbg but anyone can see the guy was full of crap and anyone with half a lick of sense wouldn't take any of that seriously. In short, the guys a fn RMT, not a depressed, suicidal divorcee. Get over it. ..not sure what your little Ari youtube thing is about; seems kind of senseless and inappropriate. Basically you need to pull your head out and do some research first before posting. FYI - The victim is not a RMT bot. He has a bunch of computers all slaved to one control unit. He is actively controlling them and the set up was sanctioned and approved by CCP. Also it doesn't matter if the mail message was true or false. What matters is your Messiah pre planned and used an Official CCP World Wide Live Video Feed to deliberately incite thousands of other players to go in-game and harass a potentially suicidal person with the sole intention to induce that person to act upon those tendencies and commit suicide. Not only does it violate the EULA / TOS rules, it betrays the position of the CSM, is morally offensive and libel for criminal prosecution. If you can't understand the legal implications that places on CCP, then you need to do exactly what Ari Gold was telling you.
all of this plus, do you honestly think that is random player A even used his corp (not a CCP sanctioned event - which is worse mind you) to get a person to act upon suicidal thoughts, do you have ANY thought that they WOULDNT be permabaned? GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
Elyssa MacLeod
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
70
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 12:21:00 -
[5277] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote:I like the Mittani more with every post to this thread. Someday I hope I can pull off a troll that results in a 5000+ tearfest.
You got it backwards but seeing as all you do IS troll not surprising
GM Homonoia: Suicide ganks are a valid and viable tactic in EVE.
Where is your God now carebear? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1657
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 17:31:00 -
[5278] - Quote
Elyssa MacLeod wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Mars Theran wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Mars Theran wrote:..and yet, interestingly enough, this all resulted in CCPs attention being drawn to this individual and his presumed plight as well as assuring that they would make sure he wasn't treated unfairly or poorly in game and any such action may now bring forth more serious reprisal.
..approve of the apology as it seems sincere enough to me and I'm sure it is to a greater or lesser degree. Have yet to see what actually happened though. Seriously Just found it on youtube and watched it. Having read that bit of nonsense on screen.. really?? The guy runs 22 accounts-doesn't bot-all by himself after a divorce.. .what a load of BS. Not surprised the Mittani did that. I don't think it was that interestinbg but anyone can see the guy was full of crap and anyone with half a lick of sense wouldn't take any of that seriously. In short, the guys a fn RMT, not a depressed, suicidal divorcee. Get over it. ..not sure what your little Ari youtube thing is about; seems kind of senseless and inappropriate. Basically you need to pull your head out and do some research first before posting. FYI - The victim is not a RMT bot. He has a bunch of computers all slaved to one control unit. He is actively controlling them and the set up was sanctioned and approved by CCP. Also it doesn't matter if the mail message was true or false. What matters is your Messiah pre planned and used an Official CCP World Wide Live Video Feed to deliberately incite thousands of other players to go in-game and harass a potentially suicidal person with the sole intention to induce that person to act upon those tendencies and commit suicide. Not only does it violate the EULA / TOS rules, it betrays the position of the CSM, is morally offensive and libel for criminal prosecution. If you can't understand the legal implications that places on CCP, then you need to do exactly what Ari Gold was telling you. all of this plus, do you honestly think that is random player A even used his corp (not a CCP sanctioned event - which is worse mind you) to get a person to act upon suicidal thoughts, do you have ANY thought that they WOULDNT be permabaned? Not exactly sure what you're stating. Reason for not being perma-banned? I believe in game politics had a lot to do with that. |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
159
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 18:58:00 -
[5279] - Quote
Just a quick cross section plug, I made this in honor of the upcoming Burn Jita day and the return of The Mittani, enjoy. GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
61
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 19:03:00 -
[5280] - Quote
Versuvius Marii wrote:How is this thread still alive?
It's been feasting on Goon tears to maintain it's unholy existence. |
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Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
95
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 19:12:00 -
[5281] - Quote
"This has been hanging over my head since..." A shrink would have a field day with this intro to an apology. First, it's exterior. The first reference is outside the subject...the inference is..."I'm a potential victim here." If this thread wasn't already morbidly obese I'd parse this thing for you in detail. The upshot is, there is no apology here. There is no remorse. There is no admission to culpability. He could have saved us a lot of time and said, "Sorry. I was drunk." At least that's a universally accepted excuse.
Anyone defending this guy is doing it outside the facts for personal and organizational reasons.
Anyone disputing or resisting it is engaged in an exercise of futility.
The OP, however, is playing both sides like suckers to feed his already over-stuffed ego. One might wonder why an adult male with an alleged higher education is so rapt with the prospect of achieving notariety in a computer game. It's a time consuming endeavor, to say the least. The outside world's demands aren't forgiving in dividing one's attention so. The mere existence of this OP speaks volumes.
Some things, folks, if you understand them...you have to wonder about yourself. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
The D1ngo
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
21
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 19:42:00 -
[5282] - Quote
Lanasak wrote:i see demichael crimson is still beating a dead, decomposed horse
It worked in the case of POS's... |
Krenalla
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
93
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 20:51:00 -
[5283] - Quote
Sweet . mother . of . god
A 259 page threadnought on World of Darkness
Jeez |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
408
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 20:58:00 -
[5284] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Not exactly sure what you're stating. Reason for not being perma-banned? I believe in game politics had a lot to do with that.
neat... in game can keep you from getting banned from the game O.o
Hows that work? I want me some of that https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
193
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 21:04:00 -
[5285] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Not exactly sure what you're stating. Reason for not being perma-banned? I believe in game politics had a lot to do with that.
That's funny. I could have sworn that he was banned because of in-game politics. If it had been anybody else this whole thread probably would never have happened. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
260
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 22:36:00 -
[5286] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:That's funny. I could have sworn that he was banned because of in-game politics. If it had been anybody else this whole thread probably would never have happened. Mocking and provoking a player into contemplating suicide is far beyond in-game politics.
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
45
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 22:43:00 -
[5287] - Quote
only fags hide behind alcohol!
so sorry i was drunk, don't drink if you cant or don't know how i hear they baned you **** i may actualy play eve again now.
gj CCP Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: GÇ£Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.GÇ¥ |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
160
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 22:57:00 -
[5288] - Quote
Tian Nu wrote:only fags hide behind alcohol! u mad carebeer?
GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
91
|
Posted - 2012.04.15 23:24:00 -
[5289] - Quote
Oh glorious heaping of rotted equine biomass, I come to post upon the so that I might leave my mark on history like those who touch the wet cement. With no ill will or good intent to it's maker, I add my **** to the compost pile and grab my meaty stick, so that I too can beat the **** out of this undead monstrocity. That by this wretched post I feed trolls and sow the seeds of lingering discord so that it may lumber forever more along unworthy threads. Go forth, true threadnaught, and devil of tears and butthurt. -á |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
408
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 00:22:00 -
[5290] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:Oh glorious heaping of rotted equine biomass, I come to post upon the so that I might leave my mark on history like those who touch the wet cement. With no ill will or good intent to it's maker, I add my **** to the compost pile and grab my meaty stick, so that I too can beat the **** out of this undead monstrocity. That by this wretched post I feed trolls and sow the seeds of lingering discord so that it may lumber forever more along unworthy threads. Go forth, true threadnaught, and devil of tears and butthurt.
this an the WiS thread lol but both are fun to argue in
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
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T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
160
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 00:27:00 -
[5291] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:That by this wretched post I feed trolls and sow the seeds of lingering discord so that it may lumber forever more along unworthy threads. Go forth, true threadnaught, and devil of tears and butthurt. Chaos is a beautiful thing. GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
67
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 01:02:00 -
[5292] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Not only does it violate the EULA / TOS rules, it betrays the position of the CSM, is morally offensive and libel for criminal prosecution.
Last I checked, there are far more morally offensive things on the internet than "kill yourself". Not only do these things exist, but I am rather sure people make large sums of money off these morally offensive things.
Are you sure you get the internet? |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
193
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 01:26:00 -
[5293] - Quote
Tian Nu wrote:only fags hide behind alcohol!
so sorry i was drunk, don't drink if you cant or don't know how i hear they baned you **** i may actualy play eve again now.
gj CCP
You're a little behind if you wanted to enjoy a Mittani free EVE. He'll be back in about two weeks. Anyway, did he really have that much more of an impact on your gaming experience than the whole rest of the CFC? |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
410
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 02:09:00 -
[5294] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: Not only does it violate the EULA / TOS rules, it betrays the position of the CSM, is morally offensive and libel for criminal prosecution.
Last I checked, there are far more morally offensive things on the internet than "kill yourself". Not only do these things exist, but I am rather sure people make large sums of money off these morally offensive things. Are you sure you get the internet?
There a difference between an offhand casual remark of diaf and actually getting people to go burn someone's house down
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
160
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 02:20:00 -
[5295] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:There a difference between an offhand casual remark of diaf and actually getting people to go burn someone's house down Nobody mentioned anybody's house, now kindly go DIAF please.
GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
160
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 02:23:00 -
[5296] - Quote
5190 posts and still it keeps going. See this is why I dig The Mittani, the guy doesn't even have to play and he's still trolling peoples, that takes talent.
Ave Mittani GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
54
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 08:57:00 -
[5297] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote:5190 posts and still it keeps going. See this is why I dig The Mittani, the guy doesn't even have to play and he's still trolling peoples, that takes talent. Ave Mittani
you dig him because you are both members of the same mental age group (12ish). you look at him and wish you where him, school yard politics young man, you can't handle your drink neither i'm guessing. but hey, in years to come, mittani will mature, he will look back at the video and think, **** i was a total prick when i was younger, he'll bow his head in shame, nobody would be proud of the comment he made, it will haunt him in the future.
EVE is just a game, but when you go live on the internet and act like an ape encouraging others to try make another human hurt or kill themselves you deserve to be banned from a game, all mittani got was a 30 day suspension, a little light footed for me. mittani crossed a line and he knew he did the moment he said it. CCP missed the opportunity to send a clear cut message to the community that this sort of behavior is not and will never be acceptable.
the fact that this thread is still running is saying CCP want this kept alive, to shame mittani ? or is this a show of solidarity with his attitude toward members of our community ?
this thread should have been locked ages ago, i've seen threads locked for less. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
217
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 09:10:00 -
[5298] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote:5190 posts and still it keeps going. See this is why I dig The Mittani, the guy doesn't even have to play and he's still trolling peoples, that takes talent. Ave Mittani
The Mittani is not trolling anyone. It's people on the forums that keep this alive only because they can troll it, even though it's old news and has been dealt with.
It's about time people let this thread disappear into oblivion, but of course some trolls will keep it going just because they can. And of course some people will answer those trolls and the whole cycle continues.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
721
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 12:07:00 -
[5299] - Quote
Whoa, we can't let this slip off the front page. I still see a lumpy spot over there by the horse's tail. Keep on beating folks!
Here's your sign... |
SiLenTkNlghT
Nullsec Pimps Associated Apocalypse Now.
2
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 17:58:00 -
[5300] - Quote
I'm simply suprised ccp let him present while intoxicated. Its unprofessional and insulting to the player community. Don't blame **** on alcohol , if u knew u had to present that day the you should have known better, bullshit apology. I don't buy it. |
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
238
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 17:58:00 -
[5301] - Quote
I bet we can get this over 300 pages. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
197
|
Posted - 2012.04.16 18:26:00 -
[5302] - Quote
SiLenTkNlghT wrote:I'm simply suprised ccp let him present while intoxicated. Its unprofessional and insulting to the player community. Don't blame **** on alcohol , if u knew u had to present that day the you should have known better, bullshit apology. I don't buy it.
Uh, all but the first two presenters in that panel were drunk. The funniest presenter assaulted his chair. |
Kairos Antilles
United Systems Nautical Service
11
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:40:00 -
[5303] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:Oh glorious heaping of rotted equine biomass, I come to post upon the so that I might leave my mark on history like those who touch the wet cement. With no ill will or good intent to it's maker, I add my **** to the compost pile and grab my meaty stick, so that I too can beat the **** out of this undead monstrocity. That by this wretched post I feed trolls and sow the seeds of lingering discord so that it may lumber forever more along unworthy threads. Go forth, true threadnaught, and devil of tears and butthurt.
My many thanks (and a "Like") for audible chuckles that help make a quiet day of integration testing go by more quickly. |
Kairos Antilles
United Systems Nautical Service
11
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Posted - 2012.04.16 18:42:00 -
[5304] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:this thread should have been locked ages ago, i've seen threads locked for less.
Maybe so...
...but I suspect CCP is enjoying it. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
151
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:28:00 -
[5305] - Quote
I personally think Mittani when he first gets back to apologise a second time for this threadnaught creation & its blight upon the General Discussions forum To the whiners : CCP Soundwave "Incursions are not a big issue in terms of isk globally" |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
131
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Posted - 2012.04.16 19:56:00 -
[5306] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Mars Theran wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Mars Theran wrote:..and yet, interestingly enough, this all resulted in CCPs attention being drawn to this individual and his presumed plight as well as assuring that they would make sure he wasn't treated unfairly or poorly in game and any such action may now bring forth more serious reprisal.
..approve of the apology as it seems sincere enough to me and I'm sure it is to a greater or lesser degree. Have yet to see what actually happened though. Seriously Just found it on youtube and watched it. Having read that bit of nonsense on screen.. really?? The guy runs 22 accounts-doesn't bot-all by himself after a divorce.. .what a load of BS. Not surprised the Mittani did that. I don't think it was that interestinbg but anyone can see the guy was full of crap and anyone with half a lick of sense wouldn't take any of that seriously. In short, the guys a fn RMT, not a depressed, suicidal divorcee. Get over it. ..not sure what your little Ari youtube thing is about; seems kind of senseless and inappropriate. Basically you need to pull your head out and do some research first before posting. FYI - The victim is not a RMT bot. He has a bunch of computers all slaved to one control unit. He is actively controlling them and the set up was sanctioned and approved by CCP. Also it doesn't matter if the mail message was true or false. What matters is your Messiah pre planned and used an Official CCP World Wide Live Video Feed to deliberately incite thousands of other players to go in-game and harass a potentially suicidal person with the sole intention to induce that person to act upon those tendencies and commit suicide. Not only does it violate the EULA / TOS rules, it betrays the position of the CSM, is morally offensive and libel for criminal prosecution. If you can't understand the legal implications that places on CCP, then you need to do exactly what Ari Gold was telling you.
Apparently you didn't bother to consider that the Mittani isn't someone I idolize and you can't tell the difference between a bad joke and someone actually inciting others. I watched the clip, and I know the difference.
As for the guys setup, I really don't care. If he's running that many PCs and playing that many accounts something is wrong and it isn't his personal perspective on life. It might be that it's the only way to productively mine.
Obviously you've got some issues with the Mittani that are somewhat inexplicable to say the least. I can't even fathom how someone like that could grate your nerves so much, but I've not had so much as a conversation with him or been on the recieving side of Goonie mischief that I am honestly aware of.
As for the guys mental state, (not the Mittani, the other guy), I call bs because I see bs. It has nothing to do with the Mittani or anything else, it's just bs. Anyone in the sort of mental state he describes-for the reasons he gives-would not be playing some game on 22 accounts and mining every day for hours on end. Psychologically speaking, it's highly improbable, and if you've ever been in that state you'd know it.
There is just no way for a person in that state to focus on something like that or continuously do menial or even complicated tasks. In short, they will break down and lose the ability periodically until they just can't do it anymore; then they will either hit rock bottom or they will do the unthinkable. The productivity level of such activities will steadily decrease in the process until they are just sitting there doing nothing. No lasers, no movement, nothing; they will just be staring at the screen while their mind folds inward. Simple fact.
If anything, activities like the Mittanis will break them out of it. It will give them something to fight, a reason to argue, and make them mad. Any other reaction indicates they are either lying or don't fully understand their state of mind. This doesn't account for all scenarios of course, but the alternative of complete apathy is likely also going to include them not playing at all. At the moment, I can't think of any other likely alternatives aside from that.
Choice of wording and sentence structure is also important, and I don't see anything in there to indicate he was telling the truth, where I do see indications that the opposite was true. This is EVE and I would expect people to expect that. Very rarely does anyone in this game-or on the internet for that matter-actually tell the truth or refrain from some form of deception.
So, in short, I don't put much stock in the guys assesment of his state of mind, but more importantly, I don't see the Mittani as inciting anything, but rather making a joke in poor taste while he was drunk that was taken out of context here. That doesn't help CCP or the Mittani, but it remains to be true and I generally believe the Mittani when he says he would never really wish that on anyone.
I've seen mu8ch worse from players of EVE and other games and been subject to it, and like it or not there are people who honestly wish you harm and would like it if they could get you to kill yourself just by talking to you, and it doesn't really matter who you is as long as you are not one of them. This is not the Mittani from what I have seen.
Frankly Crimson, I think you need to step back and get some perspective. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
Kehro Urgus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
289
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:10:00 -
[5307] - Quote
I hope the first thing The Mittani does upon returning is requesting this stupid thread be locked. Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
131
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Posted - 2012.04.16 20:15:00 -
[5308] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:Oh glorious heaping of rotted equine biomass, I come to post upon the so that I might leave my mark on history like those who touch the wet cement. With no ill will or good intent to it's maker, I add my **** to the compost pile and grab my meaty stick, so that I too can beat the **** out of this undead monstrocity. That by this wretched post I feed trolls and sow the seeds of lingering discord so that it may lumber forever more along unworthy threads. Go forth, true threadnaught, and devil of tears and butthurt.
This is good actually. So was that last comment before I posted this, but I doubt the Mittani would lock a thread that feeds his own ego. Turn WiS into wIN! ..make all the characters Nude. |
Diggl4h
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.04.16 23:08:00 -
[5309] - Quote
Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.04.17 01:18:00 -
[5310] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:T-B0NE wrote:5190 posts and still it keeps going. See this is why I dig The Mittani, the guy doesn't even have to play and he's still trolling peoples, that takes talent. Ave Mittani The Mittani is not trolling anyone. It's people on the forums that keep this alive only because they can troll it, even though it's old news and has been dealt with.
given any of us even trying to get someone to kill themselves would be permabannable, an CCP continues the "friends before rules" tradition, it HASNT been dealt with
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
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OT Smithers
Buccaneer's Den
136
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:28:00 -
[5311] - Quote
I am disgusted that Mittens was not perma banned.
Nuff said. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
197
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:33:00 -
[5312] - Quote
I am disgusted that The Mittani was not immediately extradited back to Iceland to face a public and humiliating trial and then summarily executed on a live, world-wide broadcast for saying a stupid thing while drunk.
The world truly has gone mad for letting this injustice stand. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
201
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:35:00 -
[5313] - Quote
I am disgusted that regurgitating the same pro-mittanni and anti-mitanni crap is still important enough for people to justify reviving this thread.
We're not only beating a dead horse here. We brought it back to life just so we could kill it and beat it again. Then we did that to 12 other dead horses |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
197
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:45:00 -
[5314] - Quote
The horses aren't to beat themselves, Fred. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:46:00 -
[5315] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:I am disgusted that The Mittani was not immediately extradited back to Iceland to face a public and humiliating trial and then summarily executed on a live, world-wide broadcast for saying a stupid thing while drunk.
The world truly has gone mad for letting this injustice stand.
yes cause you totally wouldnt be banned perminantly for trying to get someone to hill themselves amirite?
post on your Goon main ffs its not like you have anything to hide lol Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
198
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Posted - 2012.04.17 02:55:00 -
[5316] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:I am disgusted that The Mittani was not immediately extradited back to Iceland to face a public and humiliating trial and then summarily executed on a live, world-wide broadcast for saying a stupid thing while drunk.
The world truly has gone mad for letting this injustice stand. yes cause you totally wouldnt be banned perminantly for trying to get someone to hill themselves amirite? post on your Goon main ffs its not like you have anything to hide lol
It's not like I go around telling everyone that I am someone's main. This is a forum alt. Also my Jita trader. I use this so that if people get mad at what I post, they can wardec me in the game. If I posted with my main, they likely wouldn't be able to wardec me. |
Beat General
Sons of Retribution Malice Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.04.17 09:39:00 -
[5317] - Quote
OT Smithers wrote:I am disgusted that Mittens was not perma banned.
Nuff said.
ya ^ |
Shimmy Atild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.17 10:48:00 -
[5318] - Quote
NOT ONLY SHOULD THIS "BULLY" BE BAND, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS A-HOLE IN THE SAID ACTIONS TO COME SHOULD ALL BE BAND AS THIS IS A BREACH OF THE EVE-RULES OF CONDUCT! |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
122
|
Posted - 2012.04.17 11:23:00 -
[5319] - Quote
Shimmy Atild wrote:NOT ONLY SHOULD THIS "BULLY" BE BAND, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS A-HOLE IN THE SAID ACTIONS TO COME SHOULD ALL BE BAND AS THIS IS A BREACH OF THE EVE-RULES OF CONDUCT!
I too type in all capitals while bolded when I'm angry.
umad,bro? HAIL MITTANI My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
599
|
Posted - 2012.04.17 11:32:00 -
[5320] - Quote
TheButcherPete wrote:Shimmy Atild wrote:NOT ONLY SHOULD THIS "BULLY" BE BAND, BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS A-HOLE IN THE SAID ACTIONS TO COME SHOULD ALL BE BAND AS THIS IS A BREACH OF THE EVE-RULES OF CONDUCT! I too type in all capitals while bolded when I'm angry. umad,bro? HAIL MITTANI Did you draw the duty to get Mitt's post back on the front page? How many breadcrumbs did you get for that?
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
118
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Posted - 2012.04.17 11:35:00 -
[5321] - Quote
OT Smithers wrote:I am disgusted that Mittens was not perma banned.
Nuff said. So are you *******-dis-custard or deep-in-dis-pear you pervert?
EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Khergit Deserters
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.04.17 13:55:00 -
[5322] - Quote
Leave the Mittani alone, he's just taking the flak for the overall wiseass tear-collecting Goon approach to this game. Just ban all Goons as a whole. Might as well ban half of the big null sec alliances too, they're no different. |
TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Apocalyptic Legion.
122
|
Posted - 2012.04.17 14:26:00 -
[5323] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:Leave the Mittani alone, he's just taking the flak for the overall wiseass tear-collecting Goon approach to this game. Just ban all Goons as a whole. Might as well ban half of the big null sec alliances too, they're no different.
You want them banned because you don't understand them. HTFU, this is EVE. There are assholes everywhere. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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Khergit Deserters
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.04.17 15:48:00 -
[5324] - Quote
Nah, don't really want them banned. I've been playing this game on and off for 4 years, I'm quite used to asshats and arsewipes. Was just saying that what the Mittani did isn't any worse that what happens all over this game every day. It's in the culture-- he just messed up and expressed it the wrong way in the wrong place.
(Ever hear of the book Custer Died for Your Sins? Well this is The Mittani was Banned for Your Sins). |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:03:00 -
[5325] - Quote
love the argument of "its RP we're not really sociopaths"
WarProfit wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:It might be because EVE is a niche product. It's designed to attract the worst lowlife scum of the internet. Those that have been banned from every other MMO for various offenses. There are only so many people that can handle being around such a concentrated grouping of total sociopaths and actually enjoy it. The real question in my mind, is how has EVE managed to attract as many players as they have? Mr Epeen Yeah what he said. I have been banned from almost every MMO I have played yet I can still play eve and remain the psycho ******* that I am. Banned for life from WOW because I scammed a 6th grader out of all his gold and then griefed him untill he quit, he was actually crying on vent at one point, wish he would come over and play eve :)
Yeah ppl totally just PLAY sociopaths and arent them IRL
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Josef Djugashvilis
81
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:15:00 -
[5326] - Quote
As a further punishment, mittens should be forced to read this enitre thread.
You want fries with that? |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
589
|
Posted - 2012.04.17 21:26:00 -
[5327] - Quote
QUOTECEPTIONQUOTECEPTION wrote:QUOTECEPTION wrote:QUOTECEPTION wrote:QUOTECEPTION wrote:QUOTECEPTION wrote:QUOTEQUOTECEPTION QUOTEQUOTECEPTION QUOTEQUOTECEPTION QUOTEQUOTECEPTION QUOTEQUOTECEPTION QUOTECEPTION
ell oh ell your ceo is banned... nyk nyk...
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
605
|
Posted - 2012.04.17 21:36:00 -
[5328] - Quote
Looky! The Goons are pulling daily duty to keep this monstrosity of Mitt's on the front page of the listing. I'd say this is a spam magnet now and deserves to die a foul death. LOCK THIS THREAD PLEASE. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
302
|
Posted - 2012.04.17 21:37:00 -
[5329] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Looky! The Goons are pulling daily duty to keep this monstrosity of Mitt's on the front page of the listing. I'd say this is a spam magnet now and deserves to die a foul death. LOCK THIS THREAD PLEASE.
Why? There's so much more to discuss. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
2
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Posted - 2012.04.18 00:25:00 -
[5330] - Quote
If this guy really was apologetic, he would've told his bazillion Corp members not to keep posting here defending him and saying "all is well" and blasting anybody that dares criticize him further. |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.04.18 01:41:00 -
[5331] - Quote
Oh Ill help with the "that word doesnt mean what you think it does" ppl
Quote:A sociopath is a person who has antisocial personality disorder. The term sociopath is no longer used to describe this disorder. The sociopath is now described as someone with antisocial personality disorder.
The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopathGÇÖs personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.
Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions. A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual wellbeing of another.
Although these symptoms are all present, they may not always be evident. Research has shown that the sociopath is usually a person with an abundance of charm and wit. He or she may appear friendly and considerate, but these attributes are usually superficial. They are used as a way of blinding the other person to the personal agenda behind the sociopathGÇÖs behaviour.
Many people with antisocial personality disorder frequently indulge in alcohol or drug use.
"I was drunk"
Quote: They may use these substances heavily as a way of heightening their antisocial personality. The sociopath sometimes sees the world on his or her own terms, as a place of high drama and risky thrills. The sociopath may suffer from low self esteem, and the use of alcohol and drugs is a way to diminish these feelings.
The causes of antisocial personality disorder are thought to be either genetic or environmental. Children who are influenced by antisocial parents may adopt these tendencies. Similarly, role models such as one's friends or peer group may also influence the behaviour pattern of a sociopath. Antisocial behaviour is more likely to occur in men than in women. About 1% of women have this disorder, while 3% of men are affected by it.
It is very rare for a person with antisocial personality disorder to seek help of their own accord.
Shea Valerien wrote:If this guy really was apologetic, he would've told his bazillion Corp members not to keep posting here defending him and saying "all is well" and blasting anybody that dares criticize him further.
or ask them not to cyberbully the digital media
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
418
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Posted - 2012.04.18 04:36:00 -
[5332] - Quote
here, ill be helpful:
www.reputation.com
mittens needs this https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
5
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 04:48:00 -
[5333] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Looky! The Goons are pulling daily duty to keep this monstrosity of Mitt's on the front page of the listing. I'd say this is a spam magnet now and deserves to die a foul death. LOCK THIS THREAD PLEASE. Why? There's so much more to discuss. lock this now, i saw serene repose start a my apology thread that got locked i started one and it got locked, are we not special? |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
165
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Posted - 2012.04.18 05:00:00 -
[5334] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Yeah ppl totally just PLAY sociopaths and arent them IRL When I come home from a hard day of putting up with others people's crap, and having to do it with a smile on my face, I'm glad their is a game where I can sit back and make someone else's life hell for once. I don't think that makes me a sociopath, if anything I believe having this outlet to vent in such a manner makes me a more well adjusted individual.
Some people drink, I play EVE (and drink) GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
260
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Posted - 2012.04.18 11:33:00 -
[5335] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Yeah ppl totally just PLAY sociopaths and arent them IRL When I come home from a hard day of putting up with others people's crap, and having to do it with a smile on my face, I'm glad their is a game where I can sit back and make someone else's life hell for once. I don't think that makes me a sociopath, if anything I believe having this outlet to vent in such a manner makes me a more well adjusted individual. Some people drink, I play EVE (and drink)
Just FYI, making "someone else's life hell" for your own gratification is the very definition of sadism. That you get this gratification by using this game as a tool to "vent" does not invalidate that tag.
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Paintchk
The Vikings Reborn
9
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Posted - 2012.04.18 11:46:00 -
[5336] - Quote
The Goons may all accept you apology Mittiani because your one of them and now a man with power, but I think the rest of the EVE Community might have a hard time accepting it. I can't decide rather too forgive you or not but that act will stick with you and some people won't forget.
As for the CSM position I think it be best for you step down because I think it could happen again and I think everyone wouldn't want too see that happen again. Yeah you were trolling but some people didn't think you were. History has a way of repeating itself. I think I speak for most people when I say plz step down so you don't do it again. |
Bully Hedro
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:24:00 -
[5337] - Quote
Why is this not locked now? Really? Another example of Eve's poor forum moderating and why the GD forums are generally crap. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
224
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:27:00 -
[5338] - Quote
Bully Hedro wrote:Why is this not locked now? Really? Another example of Eve's poor forum moderating and why the GD forums are generally crap.
So are we talking moderation? Ok, in that case this thread should be locked. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3388
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:32:00 -
[5339] - Quote
Paintchk wrote:
As for the CSM position I think it be best for you step down because I think...
No you don't
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
TheButcherPete
Specter Syndicate CORE Alliance
125
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Posted - 2012.04.18 12:44:00 -
[5340] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Paintchk wrote:
As for the CSM position I think it be best for you step down because I think...
No you don't
Not empty quoting. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
313
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:41:00 -
[5341] - Quote
TheButcherPete wrote:Malcanis wrote:Paintchk wrote:
As for the CSM position I think it be best for you step down because I think...
No you don't Not empty quoting.
Yes you are. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Kairos Antilles
United Systems Nautical Service
16
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:50:00 -
[5342] - Quote
One more time... IB4L |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
313
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Posted - 2012.04.18 14:57:00 -
[5343] - Quote
Kairos Antilles wrote:One more time... IB4L
Can you imagine the goonrage when this is locked? Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
614
|
Posted - 2012.04.18 15:00:00 -
[5344] - Quote
Can you imagine the stupidity of people that refuse to let this turd in the punchbowl sink to the bottom? I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
313
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:02:00 -
[5345] - Quote
Serene Repose wrote:Can you imagine the stupidity of people that refuse to let this turd in the punchbowl sink to the bottom?
The fact it won't sink and keeps getting bumped after 262 pages proves this topic still has value. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
614
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:04:00 -
[5346] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Can you imagine the stupidity of people that refuse to let this turd in the punchbowl sink to the bottom? The fact it won't sink and keeps getting bumped after 262 pages proves this topic still has value. Just as you've once again proven your name isn't.....but I repeat myself. Get a clue. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
687
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:10:00 -
[5347] - Quote
I think this thread has run its course. Sadly, I'm no ISD so cannot lock it. |
T-B0NE
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
167
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Posted - 2012.04.18 15:11:00 -
[5348] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Just FYI, making "someone else's life hell" for your own gratification is the very definition of sadism. That you get this gratification by using this game as a tool to "vent" does not invalidate that tag. Yeah well after a long day of masochism it's nice to get in a few hours of sadism.
GÇ£Death and destruction are necessary to the health of the world, and therefore as natural, and lovable, as birth and life. Only priests and born cowards moan and weep over dying. Brave men face it with approving nonchalance." - Ragnar Redbeard |
Samuel payne Thorstensen
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
0
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Posted - 2012.04.19 10:58:00 -
[5349] - Quote
It's absolutely unnaceptable to encourage a person to commit suicide. What Mittani did is not only childish, and stupid - but also against the law. If, his corp will cause lag, and destroy other player's experience because of their CEO getting punished - then it's actually so stupid, that there is not even a word for that level of stupidity. This is just a game. Time to start realizing it, and stop acting like you can do exactly as you want. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
230
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Posted - 2012.04.19 11:07:00 -
[5350] - Quote
Samuel payne Thorstensen wrote:It's absolutely unnaceptable to encourage a person to commit suicide. What Mittani did is not only childish, and stupid - but also against the law. If, his corp will cause lag, and destroy other player's experience because of their CEO getting punished - then it's actually so stupid, that there is not even a word for that level of stupidity. This is just a game. Time to start realizing it, and stop acting like you can do exactly as you want.
*yawn*
You're a bit late to this party. |
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Ai Shun
664
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 11:12:00 -
[5351] - Quote
Samuel payne Thorstensen wrote:What Mittani did is not only childish, and stupid
Yeah, that's why he apologised. And why people threatened his wife. You know. People are stupid in general.
Samuel payne Thorstensen wrote:but also against the law
At the risk of feeding you - but where? Iceland? The United States? The State he lives in? (Now known because with the threats to him his home address was also released) Abu Dhabi? The Internet? |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
261
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 11:25:00 -
[5352] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Yeah, that's why he apologised. He apologized for being drunk at the time and not "remembering" what he said.
His "apology" is bullshit. Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments?
Because unless you can claim that he's been drunk this whole time and not knowing what he has done, his apology is nothing more than a politician's apology for getting caught. |
Ai Shun
664
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 11:53:00 -
[5353] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:Yeah, that's why he apologised. He apologized for being drunk at the time and not "remembering" what he said. His "apology" is bullshit. Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments? Because unless you can claim that he's been drunk this whole time and not knowing what he has done, his apology is nothing more than a politician's apology for getting caught.
I really hope you never do something wrong and have to apologise for it. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
198
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 13:26:00 -
[5354] - Quote
i'm glad that the npc forum alts are here to set the record on what they consider a proper apology Don't mind me, I'm just adding content to threads that otherwise have none. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
67
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 15:11:00 -
[5355] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:i'm glad that the npc forum alts are here to set the record on what they consider a proper apology
I'm glad they're here to misinterpret facts after over 250 pages of posts and a dev blog. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
94
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 15:20:00 -
[5356] - Quote
Now that we're all glad...
I hereby cast my post upon the once more, binding, to disturb this festering rot further. That by my subtle essence it feasts upon, I tease, to continue it's existence and leave it and those reading desiring more....
-á |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
326
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 18:57:00 -
[5357] - Quote
Nylith Empyreal wrote:Now that we're all glad...
I hereby cast my post upon the once more, binding, to disturb this festering rot further. That by my subtle essence it feasts upon, I tease, to continue it's existence and leave it and those reading desiring more....
So say we all. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Vetorept Fera
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
41
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 19:21:00 -
[5358] - Quote
To the top!
In pace requiescat |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
517
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 19:23:00 -
[5359] - Quote
623 pages of feelings |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
326
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 19:59:00 -
[5360] - Quote
Herping yourDerp wrote:623 pages of feelings
Unfortunately this thread's growth rate has really slowed. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
231
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 20:26:00 -
[5361] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:623 pages of feelings Unfortunately this thread's growth rate has really slowed.
Because people are bored with it as everything has been said already.
We could talk about moderation and why other threads get closed when they get to this state yet this one remains active. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
329
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 20:27:00 -
[5362] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:623 pages of feelings Unfortunately this thread's growth rate has really slowed. Because people are bored with it as everything has been said already. We could talk about moderation and why other threads get closed when they get to this state yet this one remains active.
Because if this gets locked there will be a Goonswarm siege of the forums most likely. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
231
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 20:32:00 -
[5363] - Quote
masternerdguy wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:623 pages of feelings Unfortunately this thread's growth rate has really slowed. Because people are bored with it as everything has been said already. We could talk about moderation and why other threads get closed when they get to this state yet this one remains active. Because if this gets locked there will be a Goonswarm siege of the forums most likely.
I should think even Goonswarm are bored with it by now, that's If they weren't a long time ago. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
23
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 20:38:00 -
[5364] - Quote
why are we giving into the idea that if this thread gets locked that they will siege the forums? If they do it will only show how petty they are.
We all know that the local craxk dealer has better morals then these GOONS along with their friends all put together....they might be able to equal that to his pinky toe.
Seriously lock this thread. all the others have been why not this one? |
Jitageddon Is Coming
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 21:36:00 -
[5365] - Quote
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE MITTANI IS NOTHING SHORT OF A HERO TO THIS GAME AND ALL OTHER ONLINE GAMES IN THE WORLD. HE IS TO ONLINE GAMES AS WHAT JESUS CHRIST IS TO CHRISTIANITY. WHAT ALLAH IS TO MUSLIMS. LIKE ALL HEROS IS ANY TALE, THERE IS OF COURSE THE HATTERS/VILLANS. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
266
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 21:37:00 -
[5366] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:I really hope you never do something wrong and have to fake an apology for it. Fixed. And agreed. I hope so too.
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Lakisha Threethumbs
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 21:58:00 -
[5367] - Quote
Quote:Seriously lock this thread. all the others have been why not this one? Why would anyone open, much less post to, a thread they think should be locked? Well I trust that the apology is sincere. We have all said things after one too many (well except for those players who came here from WoW, they have to wait till they turn 21) that caused us embarrassment the next day or so. Lots of real haters in this thread and the OP isn't one of them. |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
94
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 21:59:00 -
[5368] - Quote
Jitageddon Is Coming wrote:THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE MITTANI IS NOTHING SHORT OF A HERO TO THIS GAME AND ALL OTHER ONLINE GAMES IN THE WORLD. HE IS TO ONLINE GAMES AS WHAT JESUS CHRIST IS TO CHRISTIANITY. WHAT ALLAH IS TO MUSLIMS. LIKE ALL HEROS IS ANY TALE, THERE IS OF COURSE THE HATTERS/VILLANS.
Ever notice religion doesn't take root in it's place of origin. -á |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1700
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 22:07:00 -
[5369] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:masternerdguy wrote:Herping yourDerp wrote:623 pages of feelings Unfortunately this thread's growth rate has really slowed. Because people are bored with it as everything has been said already. We could talk about moderation and why other threads get closed when they get to this state yet this one remains active. Because it's all political bullshit which is proven by the biased selective moderation being done in these forums. |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
3
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 22:45:00 -
[5370] - Quote
Jitageddon Is Coming wrote:THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE MITTANI IS NOTHING SHORT OF A HERO TO THIS GAME AND ALL OTHER ONLINE GAMES IN THE WORLD. HE IS TO ONLINE GAMES AS WHAT JESUS CHRIST IS TO CHRISTIANITY. WHAT ALLAH IS TO MUSLIMS. LIKE ALL HEROS IS ANY TALE, THERE IS OF COURSE THE HATTERS/VILLANS.
Hatters gonna hat. |
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Ai Shun
669
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 23:10:00 -
[5371] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:I really hope you never do something wrong and have to fake an apology for it. Fixed. And agreed. I hope so too.
Fixing something means it was broken. What I wrote was not broken. You are welcome to say something else if that is what you feel, but please do not change something I wrote into something different. That is fundamentally dishonest as you are attributing a statement to me that I did not make.
That said, who are you to judge if a person feels remorse or not? Would you want people to treat you as if your apology is fake if you make one?
That is a high moral ground you are putting yourself on. I sincerely hope you are as perfect as you imply you are. Then and again, given that you misrepresent what I said probably not
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Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
69
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 23:11:00 -
[5372] - Quote
Jitageddon Is Coming wrote:THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE MITTANI IS NOTHING SHORT OF A HERO TO THIS GAME AND ALL OTHER ONLINE GAMES IN THE WORLD. HE IS TO ONLINE GAMES AS WHAT JESUS CHRIST IS TO CHRISTIANITY. WHAT ALLAH IS TO MUSLIMS. LIKE ALL HEROS IS ANY TALE, THERE IS OF COURSE THE HATTERS/VILLANS.
Can you hear that? The whispering?
It's like the thread itself is alive........ muttering madly to itself...
"So many tears... so many precious tears....." |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
69
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 23:13:00 -
[5373] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:I really hope you never do something wrong and have to fake an apology for it. Fixed. And agreed. I hope so too. Fixing something means it was broken. What I wrote was not broken. You are welcome to say something else if that is what you feel, but please do not change something I wrote into something different. That is fundamentally dishonest as you are attributing a statement to me that I did not make. That said, who are you to judge if a person feels remorse or not? Would you want people to treat you as if your apology is fake if you make one? That is a high moral ground you are putting yourself on. I sincerely hope you are as perfect as you imply you are. Then and again, given that you misrepresent what I said probably not
If I made an apology like that and people believed me, then I would think people are pretty dumb.
The Mittani thinks people are pretty dumb. Coincidence? |
Ai Shun
669
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 23:14:00 -
[5374] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Ai Shun wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Ai Shun wrote:I really hope you never do something wrong and have to fake an apology for it. Fixed. And agreed. I hope so too. Fixing something means it was broken. What I wrote was not broken. You are welcome to say something else if that is what you feel, but please do not change something I wrote into something different. That is fundamentally dishonest as you are attributing a statement to me that I did not make. That said, who are you to judge if a person feels remorse or not? Would you want people to treat you as if your apology is fake if you make one? That is a high moral ground you are putting yourself on. I sincerely hope you are as perfect as you imply you are. Then and again, given that you misrepresent what I said probably not If I made an apology like that and people believed me, then I would think people are pretty dumb. The Mittani thinks people are pretty dumb. Coincidence?
And I think you are pretty dumb. Guess there is no coincidence then. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
222
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 23:21:00 -
[5375] - Quote
AI Shun, just let these people have their circlejerk. This thread is pretty much dead now. |
Ai Shun
671
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 23:27:00 -
[5376] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:AI Shun, just let these people have their circlejerk. This thread is pretty much dead now.
You are probably right; but these holier than thou types are making me want to be a Goon / ganker |
GOON TEARS BEST-TEARS
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 23:30:00 -
[5377] - Quote
Jitageddon Is Coming wrote:THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE MITTANI IS NOTHING SHORT OF A HERO TO THIS GAME AND ALL OTHER ONLINE GAMES IN THE WORLD. HE IS TO ONLINE GAMES AS WHAT JESUS CHRIST IS TO CHRISTIANITY. WHAT ALLAH IS TO MUSLIMS. LIKE ALL HEROS IS ANY TALE, THERE IS OF COURSE THE HATTERS/VILLANS.
Why so serious?? U MAD BRO ?
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 23:55:00 -
[5378] - Quote
T-B0NE wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Yeah ppl totally just PLAY sociopaths and arent them IRL When I come home from a hard day of putting up with others people's crap, and having to do it with a smile on my face, I'm glad their is a game where I can sit back and make someone else's life hell for once. I don't think that makes me a sociopath, if anything I believe having this outlet to vent in such a manner makes me a more well adjusted individual. Some people drink, I play EVE (and drink)
right... let me say it again as you missed it the first time:
Quote:A sociopath is a person who has antisocial personality disorder. The term sociopath is no longer used to describe this disorder. The sociopath is now described as someone with antisocial personality disorder.
The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopathGÇÖs personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.
Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions. A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual wellbeing of another.
Although these symptoms are all present, they may not always be evident. Research has shown that the sociopath is usually a person with an abundance of charm and wit. He or she may appear friendly and considerate, but these attributes are usually superficial. They are used as a way of blinding the other person to the personal agenda behind the sociopathGÇÖs behaviour.
Many people with antisocial personality disorder frequently indulge in alcohol or drug use.
Thx for proving my point
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Ai Shun
672
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 23:57:00 -
[5379] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:T-B0NE wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Yeah ppl totally just PLAY sociopaths and arent them IRL When I come home from a hard day of putting up with others people's crap, and having to do it with a smile on my face, I'm glad their is a game where I can sit back and make someone else's life hell for once. I don't think that makes me a sociopath, if anything I believe having this outlet to vent in such a manner makes me a more well adjusted individual. Some people drink, I play EVE (and drink) right... let me say it again as you missed it the first time: Quote:A sociopath is a person who has antisocial personality disorder. The term sociopath is no longer used to describe this disorder. The sociopath is now described as someone with antisocial personality disorder.
The main characteristic of a sociopath is a disregard for the rights of others. Sociopaths are also unable to conform to what society defines as a normal personality. Antisocial tendencies are a big part of the sociopathGÇÖs personality. This pattern usually comes into evidence around the age of 15. If it is not treated, it can develop into adulthood.
Visible symptoms include physical aggression and the inability to hold down a steady job. The sociopath also finds it hard to sustain relationships and shows a lack of regret in his or her actions. A major personality behavior trait is the violation of the rights of others. This can appear as a disregard for the physical or sexual wellbeing of another.
Although these symptoms are all present, they may not always be evident. Research has shown that the sociopath is usually a person with an abundance of charm and wit. He or she may appear friendly and considerate, but these attributes are usually superficial. They are used as a way of blinding the other person to the personal agenda behind the sociopathGÇÖs behaviour.
Many people with antisocial personality disorder frequently indulge in alcohol or drug use. Thx for proving my point
I'm still struggling to not go eat my lawn after playing a Tauren Shaman for so many years. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
|
Posted - 2012.04.19 23:59:00 -
[5380] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Samuel payne Thorstensen wrote:What Mittani did is not only childish, and stupid Yeah, that's why he apologised. And why people threatened his wife. You know. People are stupid in general. Samuel payne Thorstensen wrote:but also against the law At the risk of feeding you - but where? Iceland? The United States? The State he lives in? (Now known because with the threats to him his home address was also released) Abu Dhabi? The Internet?
The US for ONE
Its called Cyberbullying and if needed I can yet again get those definitions (including the one that says "when it involves adults is accompanied with jail time) and YES, in the US its illegal (Arizona especially).
Which makes me wonder when playing EVE will become a crime
Ai Shun wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:AI Shun, just let these people have their circlejerk. This thread is pretty much dead now. You are probably right; but these holier than thou types are making me want to be a Goon / ganker
and what about those that drink the kool aid?
You cant possibly be that naieve?
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:03:00 -
[5381] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:
I'm still struggling to not go eat my lawn after playing a Tauren Shaman for so many years.
Why would someone wanna role play theyre that stupid that they cant tell the difference
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
5
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:04:00 -
[5382] - Quote
Arizona's Cyberharassment law is at Ariz. Rev. Stat. -º 13-2921.
Most other states either have a Cyberstalking or Cyberharassment law, or both.
Federal Cyberstalking law is found at 47 USC s. 223.
For the most part, the states are the ones doing enforcement of the cyberstalking and harassment laws, though.
I don't know the laws in other countries, but I would imagine that at least some of the EU countries have cyber laws. |
Teiret
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:05:00 -
[5383] - Quote
[Sigurd Sig Hansen = bollocks]
Presumably this copy/paste definition (prolly from wikipedia) was to inform us that ingame behaviour mirrors RL personality?
May one ask, does your forum avatar represent the real you?
Or for that matter, would you speak to someone IRL the way you do on these forums?
Let's keep this rhetoric chain running...
Was Hannibal the Cannibal (a fictional character for the scrubs) justified in eating "the free range rude"? |
Ai Shun
672
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:07:00 -
[5384] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:The US for ONE
Its called Cyberbullying and if needed I can yet again get those definitions (including the one that says "when it involves adults is accompanied with jail time) and YES, in the US its illegal (Arizona especially).
Which makes me wonder when playing EVE will become a crime
Interesting. I'd not realised your laws covered something said at a public gathering in a different country. And that is then treated as "cyberbullying". Surely that should just be "bullying". He didn't say anything in-game or through an electronic medium.
But okay.
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:You cant possibly be that naieve?
No, but I'm human enough to accept a person's apology and to treat others as I would like to be treated. Maybe old fashioned, but I tend to respect people and their actions and I don't let blind hatred cloud my mind.
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Why would someone wanna role play theyre that stupid that they cant tell the difference
I'm guessing that swooshing sound was my comment flying right over your tiny little head. No worries though, maybe somebody will come along and explain the difference between video games and reality to you soon.
I can call someone for you. Perhaps one of those men with the little white coats? |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
69
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:19:00 -
[5385] - Quote
Shea Valerien wrote:
Federal Cyberstalking law is found at 47 USC s. 223.
I skimmed through it. Didn't really apply to this situation in any way. |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:22:00 -
[5386] - Quote
Teiret wrote:[Sigurd Sig Hansen = bollocks]
Presumably this copy/paste definition (prolly from wikipedia) was to inform us that ingame behaviour mirrors RL personality?
thats one...
Quote:Cyberbullying is the use of technology to harass, threaten, embarrass, or target another person. By definition, it occurs among young people. When an adult is involved, it may meet the definition of cyber-harassment or cyber-stalking, a crime that can have legal consequences and involve jail time.
Thats two...
Quote:Cyberbullying can be defined as "willful and repeated harm inflicted through the use of computers, cell phones, and other electronic devices."
Thats three... none are wikis btw...
"Cyberbullying is a form of bullying that takes place using an electronic medium.
The term bullying has been defined in different ways by experts in the field. Many use a definition from Olweus, a pioneering researcher on bullying, which states, "...a student is being bullied or victimized when he is exposed repeatedly and over time to negative actions on the part of one or more other students" (Olweus 1993, 9). Other researchers have maintained that bullying involves an intention to hurt the victim, and a power differential between bully and victim (Pepler et al. 1997, 2; Coloroso 2002, 13). Most experts now agree that bullying must include these four features:
Negative or hurtful behaviour: The behaviour of the bully is negative or hurtful to the victim. The bullying behaviour can range from nonverbal aggression, such as stares and teasing, to serious physical assaults. It can be direct or indirect; indirect bullying comprises behaviours that covertly cause distress to the victim, such as gossip, spreading of rumours, or encouraging others to exclude a person (Pepler et al. 1997, 2). Intent to harm: The bully means to inflict emotional and/or physical harm on the victim. Imbalance of power: The bully is more powerful (either real or perceived power) than the victim. The power differential in bullying may arise from differences in size and stature, but also from higher social status, a knowledge of vulnerabilities, or from the number of children colluding with the bully (Pepler et al. 1997, 2). Repeated over time: The negative behaviour towards the victim occurs repeatedly."
[The last one would be true given he's getting multiple people to do his dirty work for him (unless of course you think that doesnt count, in which case youd then think Charles Manson is innocent as he didnt kill ppl, he got ppl to kill them for him).]
Thats Four...
"Cyberbullying is harassment or intimidation of another person through electronic means. Those means may be email, instant messages, blogs, websites, social networking sites, text messages, and telephones. The intent of the cyberbully is hostile and negative."
It can also be called Cyber Stalking and Cyber Harassment as Ive so far read
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Ai Shun
672
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:28:00 -
[5387] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: :words:
All that text. Still didn't address the point that it was (presumably) an ocean away and used no technology.
Oh hush with your logic! He has a crusade and a dislike of Goons. Don't stand in his way or he'll bully you into submission with his words |
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:29:00 -
[5388] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: :words:
All that text. Still didn't address the point that it was (presumably) an ocean away and used no technology.
sooooo it WASNT broadcast on the internet, and the people he planned to use to get that person to commit suicide WERENT using computers (Some of which wouldnt then be "an ocean away"?
Your argument would be valid were he sitting in a field talking to people not on computers, not streaming across the internet (KNOWING ios being streamed)
Ai Shun wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: :words:
All that text. Still didn't address the point that it was (presumably) an ocean away and used no technology. Oh hush with your logic! He has a crusade and a dislike of Goons. Don't stand in his way or he'll bully you into submission with his words
Yeah you wouldnt want to you know READ those words and illuminate your ignorance. But as thats obviously beyond you, Im out. I refuse to argue on a text based forum with people too ignorant to read.
Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
103
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:32:00 -
[5389] - Quote
Ahhh! Zombie thread!!! Where the hell is my shotgun??? |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:33:00 -
[5390] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote: :words:
All that text. Still didn't address the point that it was (presumably) an ocean away and used no technology. sooooo it WASNT broadcast on the internet, and the people he planned to use to get that person to commit suicide WERENT using computers (Some of which wouldnt then be "an ocean away"? Your argument would be valid were he sitting in a field talking to people not on computers, not streaming across the internet (KNOWING ios being streamed)
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
This quote is pretty relevant
Quote:Remedial > I mean, I just love having a GM tell me to stop 2500 different players from performing an action
Also, giving a drunken Mittens too much credit thinking he planned anything. |
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Ai Shun
672
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:33:00 -
[5391] - Quote
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:sooooo it WASNT broadcast on the internet, and the people he planned to use to get that person to commit suicide WERENT using computers (Some of which wouldnt then be "an ocean away"?
So, if I record you telling a group of friends that you should go and attack all miners in Didoxie to kill them with my phone in plain sight and upload it to Youtube; I can have you accused of cyberbullying?
Awesome. Where do you live?
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Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
6
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:34:00 -
[5392] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Shea Valerien wrote:
Federal Cyberstalking law is found at 47 USC s. 223.
I skimmed through it. Didn't really apply to this situation in any way.
Yeah, wasn't suggesting it did. Just pointing out what the laws were.
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
421
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:38:00 -
[5393] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events?
Makes me think of Charles Manson though in a much muuuuuuch much much much less dire and important situation https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Teiret
Hedion University Amarr Empire
2
|
Posted - 2012.04.20 00:45:00 -
[5394] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:[quote=Thomas Orca]
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events?
Quote:Heck, we should probably warn the Goons their Burn Jita campaign is cyber bullying.
Isn't that what Burn Jita is all about? Cyberbullying CCP I should add... |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
421
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:49:00 -
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Teiret wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:[quote=Thomas Orca]
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events? Quote:Heck, we should probably warn the Goons their Burn Jita campaign is cyber bullying. Isn't that what Burn Jita is all about? Cyberbullying CCP I should add...
dunno, CCP doesnt think so lol
All I was pointing out was that the "Mittani isnt at fault cause the Goons had free will and didnt have to choose to do what he said" argument was wrong lol
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:52:00 -
[5396] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events? Makes me think of Charles Manson though in a much muuuuuuch much much much less dire and important situation
If it takes 1 sentence to convince you of anything, your brain must not be functioning.
Manson used sex and drugs to control the members of his "family", hardly the same as some drunken douche bag going "lol dis guise name is da WIS, find him." |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
422
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Posted - 2012.04.20 00:55:00 -
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Thomas Orca wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:
You know, Mittens is responsible for the action of every goon. Because people don't have free will and stuff.
so someone convinces other people they want to do something thats bad its no longer the guy that started it's fault? He's absolved of starting the chain of events? Makes me think of Charles Manson though in a much muuuuuuch much much much less dire and important situation If it takes 1 sentence to convince you of anything, your brain must not be functioning. Manson used sex and drugs to control the members of his "family", hardly the same as some drunken douche bag going "lol dis guise name is da WIS, find him."
The real question is how many mails etc did he get? Cause if it was none, yes, youre right, otherwise....
as for
Quote:If it takes 1 sentence to convince you of anything, your brain must not be functioning.
We ARE talking about Goons j/k lol https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:01:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:
The real question is how many mails etc did he get? Cause if it was none, yes, youre right, otherwise....
The answer to that question is both he and Mittens got far more attention than should have been given due to the ridiculous proportion this was blown to. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
422
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:05:00 -
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Thomas Orca wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:
The real question is how many mails etc did he get? Cause if it was none, yes, youre right, otherwise....
The answer to that question is both he and Mittens got far more attention than should have been given due to the ridiculous proportion this was blown to.
also true lol
But also, as far as the free will thing goes (I just thought of it) theyre role playing right? And if he's their leader, and he's roleplaying as their leader giving orders (the RP excuse Ive heard a lot lately and for the first time since I started playing the game actually) that kinda gets rid of the free will thing too. Your a soldier following your leader's orders
(Yes I get thats a stupid argument but RP is a stupid excuse here too) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:26:00 -
[5400] - Quote
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
also true lol
But also, as far as the free will thing goes (I just thought of it) theyre role playing right? And if he's their leader, and he's roleplaying as their leader giving orders (the RP excuse Ive heard a lot lately and for the first time since I started playing the game actually) that kinda gets rid of the free will thing too. Your a soldier following your leader's orders
(Yes I get thats a stupid argument but RP is a stupid excuse here too)
You're right, that is a stupid argument. |
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
272
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:39:00 -
[5401] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Fixing something means it was broken. What I wrote was not broken. You are welcome to say something else if that is what you feel, but please do not change something I wrote into something different. That is fundamentally dishonest as you are attributing a statement to me that I did not make. Hi Ai Shun o/ :)
Let us start with the basics. When someone writes something along the lines of "fixed your post for ya" it is usually with a tongue-in-cheek tone. You see, you wrote that you hope I never have to apologize for making a mistake. And the whole point of my post seemed to have escaped you. As a response I wrote (again, with a tongue-in-cheek tone) that mitten's apology was not sincere. This "fundamental dishonesty" you speak of, well, is fundamentally non-existent. If you still don't understand the concept feel free to let me know and I'll make another attempt at explaining it for you :).
Now on to the rest:
Ai Shun wrote:That said, who are you to judge if a person feels remorse or not? Would you want people to treat you as if your apology is fake if you make one? I would highly recommend you read The Mittani's apology. You'll take quick notice that his apology, and he makes no excuse about it, is for making some comments while heavily intoxicated, to the point of not remembering what he said. I had asked before some questions that you either seemed to have ignored or overlooked so I will simply ask again:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments? I would love to hear your input.
Quote:That is a high moral ground you are putting yourself on. I sincerely hope you are as perfect as you imply you are. Then and again, given that you misrepresent what I said probably not See, the thing is you don't need to be high on any moral ground to realize that making fun of a depressed human being contemplating suicide is inherently wrong. And again, his apology was for a drunken mistake. Even though he claims not to use inebreation as an excuse for his behavior, that is exactly what he did. You don't have to be a genius to realize that his apology does not extend to all events leading up to his intoxicated presentation on that day, but rather just the presentation of that day. Blurring real life with game obviously isn't an issue to him (and goons in general).
Feel free to defend him, his apology, and his actions to the bitter end. But do yourself a favor and stop spinning this like he's the victim in all this. Goons, company, and friends were sold even before all this happened, no matter what writings are on the wall. Their tears have already been shed and Alex's revenge is already brewing. So no one's being fooled. Just an advice. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:47:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments? I would love to hear your input. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28575
Read it. Learn where the line is. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
422
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Posted - 2012.04.20 01:49:00 -
[5403] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote:
also true lol
But also, as far as the free will thing goes (I just thought of it) theyre role playing right? And if he's their leader, and he's roleplaying as their leader giving orders (the RP excuse Ive heard a lot lately and for the first time since I started playing the game actually) that kinda gets rid of the free will thing too. Your a soldier following your leader's orders
(Yes I get thats a stupid argument but RP is a stupid excuse here too)
You're right, that is a stupid argument.
agree the RP excuse is stupid as well then cause its a two sided coin here The argument is only really stupid if claiming he's RPing in the video (which has been claimed since and by him in the EVE-Radio thing "I got home, dropped character..." saying that HE was RPing...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Ai Shun
674
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:00:00 -
[5404] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Come on man, haven't you been reading these forums at all? Goons don't have any free will. The Mittani coerces their cooperation through terrorism and fear.
It follows the Mittani or it gets the hose? |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:02:00 -
[5405] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote: Come on man, haven't you been reading these forums at all? Goons don't have any free will. The Mittani coerces their cooperation through terrorism and fear.
My bad bro
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: In other words, you rather create an imaginary fetch than answer these questions.
I've read CCP's response on the matter (including that thread you linked above). And my questions are not directed at CCP. But I can see why you'd try and divert the issue.
No, it's just the answer to your question is quite obvious and explained both in that dev blog, and this thread many times. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
225
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:04:00 -
[5406] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments? I would love to hear your input. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28575Read it. Learn where the line is. In other words, you rather create an imaginary fetch than answer these questions. I've read CCP's response on the matter (including that thread you linked above). And my questions are not directed at CCP. But I can see why you'd try and divert the issue.
Luckily, this part "Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation?",
this part "Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience?",
this part "Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email?",
and this part "Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments?"
are completely irrelevant to why he apologized.
Basically what I'm saying is that your whole post there is completely irrelevant to ANYTHING in this thread. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
225
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:04:00 -
[5407] - Quote
Ai Shun wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Come on man, haven't you been reading these forums at all? Goons don't have any free will. The Mittani coerces their cooperation through terrorism and fear. It follows the Mittani or it gets the hose?
It follows the Mittani or it gets the death squad. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
272
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:09:00 -
[5408] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation? Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience? Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email? Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments? I would love to hear your input. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28575Read it. Learn where the line is. In other words, you rather create an imaginary fetch than answer these questions. I've read CCP's response on the matter (including that thread you linked above). And my questions are not directed at CCP. But I can see why you'd try and divert the issue. Luckily, this part "Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation?", this part "Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience?", this part "Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email?", and this part "Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments?" are completely irrelevant to why he apologized. Basically what I'm saying is that your whole post there is completely irrelevant to ANYTHING in this thread. Of course they're irrelevant. They necessarily would need to be in order to consider his "apology" sincere .
"If you blot out the inconsistencies it makes perfect sense!"
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
225
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:12:00 -
[5409] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
Luckily, this part "Was he drunk when he prepared that presentation?",
this part "Was he drunk when he came up with the idea to mock a player contemplating suicide during a live event and in front of an audience?",
this part "Was he drunk when he savored and relished on the victim's email?",
and this part "Was he drunk when he decided to keep this email as a prize for his accomplishments?"
are completely irrelevant to why he apologized.
Basically what I'm saying is that your whole post there is completely irrelevant to ANYTHING in this thread.
Of course they're irrelevant. They necessarily would need to be in order to consider his "apology" sincere . "If you blot out the inconsistencies it makes perfect sense!"
Well, considering his apology was all about the drunken joke made during the Q&A, and not his presentation, which deserves it's own apology for being terribly presented, yeah, you're irrelevant.
Honestly, the presentation could have been much funnier if presented by Michael Bolton 3. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:17:00 -
[5410] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote: Well, considering his apology was all about the drunken joke made during the Q&A, and not his presentation, which deserves it's own apology for being terribly presented, yeah, you're irrelevant.
Honestly, the presentation could have been much funnier if presented by Michael Bolton 3.
Why do you guys let him keep doing it? Every time has been terrible. |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
226
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:19:00 -
[5411] - Quote
Thomas Orca wrote:Lapine Davion wrote: Well, considering his apology was all about the drunken joke made during the Q&A, and not his presentation, which deserves it's own apology for being terribly presented, yeah, you're irrelevant.
Honestly, the presentation could have been much funnier if presented by Michael Bolton 3.
Why do you guys let him keep doing it? Every time has been terrible.
We thought we would have gotten better after the first time. You're at fault too, you know, being "goon pets" and all. |
Thomas Orca
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
70
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:21:00 -
[5412] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote: We thought we would have gotten better after the first time. You're at fault too, you know, being "goon pets" and all.
Oh god, an FA presentation would be even worse.
"We were then told Fade would be our new home, so we went and sperged the **** out and preceded to grind an entire region with Stealth Bombers" |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
272
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:25:00 -
[5413] - Quote
Lapine Davion wrote:Well, considering his apology was all about the drunken joke made during the Q&A, and not his presentation, which deserves it's own apology for being terribly presented, yeah, you're irrelevant. Considering he claims to be nothing like "The Mittani", being able to differentiate between real life and game, and apologizing for a "drunken joke" even though his actions extended days (weeks even) before this event these questions are quite relevant.
They highlight his hypocrisy and inconsistency. So I can definitely see why you would like for them to be irrelevant.
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
226
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:31:00 -
[5414] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Well, considering his apology was all about the drunken joke made during the Q&A, and not his presentation, which deserves it's own apology for being terribly presented, yeah, you're irrelevant. Considering he claims to be nothing like "The Mittani", being able to differentiate between real life and game, and apologizing for a "drunken joke" even though his actions extended days (weeks even) before this event these questions are quite relevant. They highlight his hypocrisy and inconsistency. So I can definitely see why you would like for them to be irrelevant.
Haha, okay. You seem to be confused here. Which part do you think he was apologizing for? |
Gonada
Dark Club
0
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:51:00 -
[5415] - Quote
at the end of the day, hes just some dude that plays video games, human, and humans screw up.
10 years from now hell be balding , saddled with a few kids, and |Eve will be a interesting footnote in his life. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
226
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Posted - 2012.04.20 02:53:00 -
[5416] - Quote
Gonada wrote:at the end of the day, hes just some dude that plays video games, human, and humans screw up.
10 years from now hell be balding , saddled with a few kids, and |Eve will be a interesting footnote in his life.
Heh, you haven't been reading this thread obviously. Mittani isn't human, he's a diseased hell rat bent on nothing less than the destruction of all life an earth. He needs to be locked up in every country in order to protect us from him. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1435
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Posted - 2012.04.20 11:56:00 -
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This thread has run its course. Locked.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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