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Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.10 23:03:00 - [1] I am gonna get a BS for some PvP action. I usually fly cruisers, but I got the economy to fund a T2 fitted Rokh. Any good suggestion on layout? Go for short range blasters or long range rails? Active or buffer tank?
Teimur Leng	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:38:00 - [2] Edited by: Teimur Leng on 11/09/2008 00:39:42 I love the blaster rokh but fitting the mid slots can be challenging. Make sure you have an MWD and if you can fly with a tackler then you're gold. Here's my setup (requires a tackler to web and point) [Rokh, Blasters] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Booster II Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 (or use valk II's , or whatever you want..hammmerheads give the best dps but target resistances are a factor). Overloading the invulfields / shield booster if you are under heavy fire can give a nice boost to your tank, and without overloading that gives 131k effective hp and 800+ dps. http://cantstoptherokh.ytmnd.com/ I once had to at times disable mwd once the target is webbed and in range to get more cap regen due to 25% increased cap size once you disable mwd...but usually it works fine..for a bit :)
Tolsimir Wolfblood X.S. Industries	Posted - 2008.09.11 07:48:00 - [3] Personaly i would buffer the P!$$ out of it. 8x neutron blaster II/ Navy antimatter 100mn MWD II Disruptor II Web II or invuln field II (if in fleet) Med cap booster II / 800s invuln field II Large shield extender II 3x Magstab II 1x PDS II 1x Damage control II 3x field extender riggs 5x Hammerhead II I have advance weapon upgrade to 5 plus the implants that give bonuses to fittings.
Danirus	Posted - 2008.09.11 07:52:00 - [4] Setup for solo work with tackle 7x Neutron Blaster II 1x Large Smartbomb (for pesky drones) Heavy Cap Booster (800) X-Large Shield Booster II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Invul Field II x2 Damage Control II Power Diagnostic II Tracking Enhancer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II x2 Anti-EM Screen Core Defense Field Extender x2 5x Hornet EC-300 (ECM) 5x Valkyrie II (or drones of your liking)
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.11 09:08:00 - [5] Thanks for the ideas! I see soem use active, and others use buffer. Guess I will have to try my way ;)
Kurt Gergard Caldari Custodes Mandati Imperii	Posted - 2008.09.11 10:05:00 - [6] I use sth a bti diffrent. It's almost free to loose: LOW:\ 3Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1Damage Control II 1PDU II MED: 1X-Large Shield Booster II 1Invu Field II 1Large Shield Extender II 1Heavy Cap Booster II 800 1MWD 1ECCM (or sth else this slot is free to use anything you want) HIGH: 8Ion Blaster Cannon II RIGS: 2Anti-EM 1Anti-Thermal Drones: EC-600 ( a kind of panic button when the brown stuff hits the fan) "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.09.11 10:24:00 - [7] [Rokh, PvP] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II X-Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Hammerhead II x5 Cooks Mega for lunch in 1v1, Something similiar to Ammar Battleships - Activetanked version. And looking at your set...you don't have AWU 5? Tashiell Gao, Minmatar Inside.
Kurt Gergard Caldari Custodes Mandati Imperii	Posted - 2008.09.11 10:56:00 - [8] Edited by: Kurt Gergard on 11/09/2008 10:59:19 Originally by: Tashiell Gao Edited by: Tashiell Gao on 11/09/2008 10:29:57 [Rokh, PvP] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II X-Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Hammerhead II x5 Cooks Mega for lunch in 1v1, Something similiar to Ammar Battleships - Activetanked version. And looking at your set...you don't have AWU 5? Edit: yeah i used these rigs cause i had 1v1 a mega (or anyother battleship) in mind, in small gangs change them to extenders. you need a mwd without it this setup is kind of useless (hint: it won't fit :D) edit: oh and you're better off with exteneders rigs but i like to keep my battleship cost efficient. And if you want better shieldboosting use a shield boost amp insted of web (cause without a mwd you still won't be using it much) "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.09.11 11:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Kurt Gergard Edited by: Kurt Gergard on 11/09/2008 10:59:19 Originally by: Tashiell Gao Edited by: Tashiell Gao on 11/09/2008 10:29:57 [Rokh, PvP] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II X-Large Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Hammerhead II x5 Cooks Mega for lunch in 1v1, Something similiar to Ammar Battleships - Activetanked version. And looking at your set...you don't have AWU 5? Edit: yeah i used these rigs cause i had 1v1 a mega (or anyother battleship) in mind, in small gangs change them to extenders. you need a mwd without it this setup is kind of useless (hint: it won't fit :D) edit: oh and you're better off with exteneders rigs but i like to keep my battleship cost efficient. And if you want better shieldboosting use a shield boost amp insted of web (cause without a mwd you still won't be using it much) Yeah sorry i r a nub Tashiell Gao, Minmatar Inside.
Kurt Gergard Caldari Custodes Mandati Imperii	Posted - 2008.09.11 11:59:00 - [10] Originally by: Tashiell Gao Edited by: Tashiell Gao on 11/09/2008 11:31:09 First of, PvP is not PvE even it sounds similar, PvP is not about sustained tank or Cap effecient. Secondly, note I have null, these goes to 30 km on a rokh. Thirdly, you don't Mix Active tank with Passive tank with only 4 slots to tank. Move to forth, I am considering Small gang(>5) or solo. When I fit my ship, I have survive and win in mind, rather than "cheap to lose". It does fit with AWU 5 and support skills to 5. (unless my EFT is outdated) If you still have any questions just ask, i ll try my best to answer your doubts. Tash I don't uderstand your comment about pvp and pve. Secondly you won't fit a mwd even with awu 5 to your setup. Yes you can mess it with resist rigs cause a second invu doesn't give enough benefits over an extender. Web is useless at 30 km range (33 to be acurate). You need a mwd in a small gang to reaproche the gate or use a cloak mwd trick. And from my expierience without that eccm you will die to a similiar gang but with a ecm ship. "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.09.11 13:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Kurt Gergard .... I don't uderstand your comment about pvp and pve. Secondly you won't fit a mwd even with awu 5 to your setup. Yes you can mess it with resist rigs cause a second invu doesn't give enough benefits over an extender. Web is useless at 30 km range (33 to be acurate). You need a mwd in a small gang to reaproche the gate or use a cloak mwd trick. And from my expierience without that eccm you will die to a similiar gang but with a ecm ship. Seems you are still trying to grab the concept, it is fine. First let's compare amp and one more invul, PvP is unpredictable, which makes it more fun than PvE, you can not be sure that you WILL have the cap for boosting, With one more invul, you can stay alive for another few seconds - these few seconds are what others pay billions and billions for. mwd is a must with mega, why? course it does not have the range bonus, mega must fight at point blank range. Some people, (mostly amarr battleships) don't fit mwd as the weapon range is fine and most of the battleship fights starts in webrange, (if you are speaking about trillion nano-mach, you do not belong here) mwd does not stand for mendatory for battleship class ships. (not saying i did not fit a mwd in my original fits abovem and you kept imaging i did and saying that IT WON'T FIT!! please give it up) And teh tricks you talking about there are for extreme small gangs (<3) or small ships, certainly not a 10 man battleship gang. At the end you were mentioning about eccm, to be honest, the size of gang you are talking about is too large, you should use a fleet fit for that. Also, your original set up is a bit meh. Did my post shine any light on you? or you are still confused? Please don't hesitate to ask me further. Tash Tashiell Gao, Minmatar Inside.
Kurt Gergard Caldari Custodes Mandati Imperii	Posted - 2008.09.11 14:09:00 - [12] Originally by: Tashiell Gao Originally by: Kurt Gergard .... I don't uderstand your comment about pvp and pve. Secondly you won't fit a mwd even with awu 5 to your setup. Yes you can mess it with resist rigs cause a second invu doesn't give enough benefits over an extender. Web is useless at 30 km range (33 to be acurate). You need a mwd in a small gang to reaproche the gate or use a cloak mwd trick. And from my expierience without that eccm you will die to a similiar gang but with a ecm ship. Seems you are still trying to grab the concept, it is fine. First let's compare amp and one more invul, PvP is unpredictable, which makes it more fun than PvE, you can not be sure that you WILL have the cap for boosting, With one more invul, you can stay alive for another few seconds - these few seconds are what others pay billions and billions for. mwd is a must with mega, why? course it does not have the range bonus, mega must fight at point blank range. Some people, (mostly amarr battleships) don't fit mwd as the weapon range is fine and most of the battleship fights starts in webrange, (if you are speaking about trillion nano-mach, you do not belong here) mwd does not stand for mendatory for battleship class ships. (not saying i did not fit a mwd in my original fits abovem and you kept imaging i did and saying that IT WON'T FIT!! please give it up) And teh tricks you talking about there are for extreme small gangs (<3) or small ships, certainly not a 10 man battleship gang. At the end you were mentioning about eccm, to be honest, the size of gang you are talking about is too large, you should use a fleet fit for that. Also, your original set up is a bit meh. Did my post shine any light on you? or you are still confused? Please don't hesitate to ask me further. Tash Ii is almost funy to read your posts. I lost a dozen of rokhs before coming up with the setup I posted. And what is suprising I stoped dying after that. The mwd is mandatory realy cause null is not the ammo for everyday use. it is the ammo to use when closing up on target. Then you are better off with cn antimatter or void. You don't need the web (you have a gang remeber ? others should have it) BUT you need the eccm. About the shield boost amp. I was finding it better than your rigs that you put that are totaly fubar. Use resist rigs or extender rigs the other are useless. "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.09.11 14:49:00 - [13] You sir are completely in your own world, please reread all my posts above and get a conclusion please. Seeing you are still confused, i can not help you further as i said you are in your own world. You are beating me with your experience now. Gd day Tashiell Gao, Minmatar Inside.
Kurt Gergard Caldari Custodes Mandati Imperii	Posted - 2008.09.11 16:31:00 - [14] I am ready to take your rokh head on with mine everyday and i am confident who would be victorius (hint: me cause i have more ehp and enough boosted shields to withstand all you can throw) "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
DTson Gauur Caldari Underground-Operators	Posted - 2008.09.11 16:38:00 - [15] Here's a different approach for those RR-gangs => [Rokh, Armor Ions] Damage Control II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Those TD's are what keep you alive 1v1 against another blaster ship, load null, orbit at 12-14km and let rip, only blaster ship that is able to hit you is another similar Rokh :) Against Amarr/Matar it doesn't work as well, because of the insane ranges their shortrange guns do... I've managed to beat both Maelstrom & Tempest on SISI 1v1 tho, both fights ended with me on deep hull :)
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.09.11 21:41:00 - [16] I guess armor based Rokh is possible, even if its uncommon. :P
Sarin Adler Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.11 21:52:00 - [17] Try fitting a couple or even 4 heavy nos (neuts?) + 4 torps & buffer tank, I think that's scary, could work. --- Alts, the root of all evil.
Greckor Monmouth THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.09.11 23:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Kurt Gergard I use sth a bti diffrent. It's almost free to loose: LOW:\ 3Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1Damage Control II 1PDU II MED: 1X-Large Shield Booster II 1Invu Field II 1Large Shield Extender II 1Heavy Cap Booster II 800 1MWD 1ECCM (or sth else this slot is free to use anything you want) HIGH: 8Ion Blaster Cannon II RIGS: 2Anti-EM 1Anti-Thermal Drones: EC-600 ( a kind of panic button when the brown stuff hits the fan) if anyone flies this, plz quit eve :( Why the hell would you fit an extender? SBA or invul will be WAAAAAAAAY more helpful. No web=fail. Rokh absolutely doesnt need MWD...maybe for a sniper setup or 0.0 fleets, but not small gangs.... waste of a slot. Oh and no point=ubernotsoawesomeepicMEGAFAIL PS:Rokh has the grid, FIT NEUTRONS
Greckor Monmouth THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.09.11 23:21:00 - [19] Originally by: DTson Gauur Here's a different approach for those RR-gangs => [Rokh, Armor Ions] Damage Control II Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor I, Optimal Range Disruption Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Those TD's are what keep you alive 1v1 against another blaster ship, load null, orbit at 12-14km and let rip, only blaster ship that is able to hit you is another similar Rokh :) Against Amarr/Matar it doesn't work as well, because of the insane ranges their shortrange guns do... I've managed to beat both Maelstrom & Tempest on SISI 1v1 tho, both fights ended with me on deep hull :) No RR in a RR gang is asking for your teammates to hurt you. I would go Raven if you wanna go RR gang though. If you must use the rokh for RR gangs, remove 1 or 2 guns, and fit RR.
Greckor Monmouth THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.09.11 23:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Kurt Gergard I am ready to take your rokh head on with mine everyday and i am confident who would be victorius (hint: me cause i have more ehp and enough boosted shields to withstand all you can throw) No, your rokh will not win, it will lose. He has better resists, so you wont be doing as much damage, he is doing more damage because you have crappy resists, and he has neutrons while you have ions. Your however many more shields you have will easily be melted faster than you can rep it. Even if all else fails and the pilot your fighting is horrid and forgets to boost, you wont be able to kill him, BECAUSE YOU LACK BOTH POINT + WEB! I am not sure what carebear online world you live in but people dont just sit there and let you kill them because you ask them very nicely, and because your setup is totally better. No really.
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.09.11 23:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Kurt Gergard I am ready to take your rokh head on with mine everyday and i am confident who would be victorius (hint: me cause i have more ehp and enough boosted shields to withstand all you can throw) I, will accept the dual you have just offered. My willingness of fighting aside, I have 0 skill in hybrids. (I am a missile specialised user) If you could wait, I will EVE-Mail you when my hybrids are done. ----------------------------------------------------------- Now, after serious part, Thanks for co-operating with my trolling. u so asked me to troll you the moment you quoted my post. u are hilarias thanks for the laugh. P.S. serious part above the dotted line still holds true. Tashiell Gao, Minmatar Inside.
Greckor Monmouth THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.09.11 23:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Tashiell Gao Originally by: Kurt Gergard I am ready to take your rokh head on with mine everyday and i am confident who would be victorius (hint: me cause i have more ehp and enough boosted shields to withstand all you can throw) I, will accept the dual you have just offered. My willingness of fighting aside, I have 0 skill in hybrids. (I am a missile specialised user) If you could wait, I will EVE-Mail you when my hybrids are done. ----------------------------------------------------------- Now, after serious part, Thanks for co-operating with my trolling. u so asked me to troll you the moment you quoted my post. u are hilarias thanks for the laugh. P.S. serious part above the dotted line still holds true. Why wait? I can duel him.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.12 09:47:00 - [23] Go for the dual, and post the winners setup. That way I get an even better indication for a good setup ;)
DTson Gauur Caldari Underground-Operators	Posted - 2008.09.12 12:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Greckor Monmouth No RR in a RR gang is asking for your teammates to hurt you. I would go Raven if you wanna go RR gang though. If you must use the rokh for RR gangs, remove 1 or 2 guns, and fit RR. True that it has no RR, it's more a "solo" version. For true RR-gang slap on 6 Neutron II's + 2 Large 'Solace' RRs :) (Yes, it does FIT :p )
Savage Roar Storm Thesis	Posted - 2008.09.12 14:40:00 - [25] for pvp, i've used with success the following fit on a rokh: 4 torps 2 heavy neut 2 heavy nos xl booster, boost amp, resists, extender bcs, pds, dcu no rigs ecm drones fun fit, people wont' be expecting it for sure, and even killed an nh with it, among other things BTW, not everyone will realise that this is my sig. IBTL
Kurt Gergard Caldari Custodes Mandati Imperii	Posted - 2008.09.12 14:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Greckor Monmouth Originally by: Kurt Gergard I am ready to take your rokh head on with mine everyday and i am confident who would be victorius (hint: me cause i have more ehp and enough boosted shields to withstand all you can throw) No, your rokh will not win, it will lose. He has better resists, so you wont be doing as much damage, he is doing more damage because you have crappy resists, and he has neutrons while you have ions. Your however many more shields you have will easily be melted faster than you can rep it. Even if all else fails and the pilot your fighting is horrid and forgets to boost, you wont be able to kill him, BECAUSE YOU LACK BOTH POINT + WEB! I am not sure what carebear online world you live in but people dont just sit there and let you kill them because you ask them very nicely, and because your setup is totally better. No really. gang setup you moron and i even don't know why i post here should have kept my setup to myself "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.09.12 17:15:00 - [27] Seeing as Greckor Monmouth stand up heroically as I don't have Hybrid skills trained. Will you duel Greckor Monmouth (instead of me) using your set-up as you have challenged me at above posts? Man I am not someone who bites and does not let it lose, I believe everyone else here isn't that type either. So just stop posting here and everyone will forget it. To the OP check the killboards of famous Coprerations who fights in similar situations you want to fight in. Search thier lose mails for Rohk, I am sure you will find few of your idol's Set-up Tashiell Gao, Minmatar Inside.
Greckor Monmouth THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.09.12 18:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Kurt Gergard Originally by: Greckor Monmouth Originally by: Kurt Gergard I am ready to take your rokh head on with mine everyday and i am confident who would be victorius (hint: me cause i have more ehp and enough boosted shields to withstand all you can throw) No, your rokh will not win, it will lose. He has better resists, so you wont be doing as much damage, he is doing more damage because you have crappy resists, and he has neutrons while you have ions. Your however many more shields you have will easily be melted faster than you can rep it. Even if all else fails and the pilot your fighting is horrid and forgets to boost, you wont be able to kill him, BECAUSE YOU LACK BOTH POINT + WEB! I am not sure what carebear online world you live in but people dont just sit there and let you kill them because you ask them very nicely, and because your setup is totally better. No really. gang setup you moron and i even don't know why i post here should have kept my setup to myself Thats an even worse gang setup. You need Neutrons on the Rokh. I dont know why you are calling me the moron, when you challenged a guy to a 1v1 with your setup vs his.... and then say it will win. When i pointed out its flaws you call it a gang setup. HINT: if it is a gang setup, challenge him to a 5v5 or something...my setup would still beat any of yours. And plz, dont post here.
Sidus Isaacs	Posted - 2008.09.12 23:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Greckor Monmouth my setup would still beat any of yours. Could you post it?
Rajere No Trademark	Posted - 2008.09.13 00:06:00 - [30] Edited by: Rajere on 13/09/2008 00:09:12 If you're the same rokh pilot i'm thinking of (Final Stand), you should know a corp mate of mine got so depressed after seeing how well your rokh performed vs how well his maelstrom does, considering the mael is supposed to be THE active shield tank bs. Quote: True that it has no RR, it's more a "solo" version. For true RR-gang slap on 6 Neutron II's + 2 Large 'Solace' RRs :) (Yes, it does FIT :p ) If you are in a remote armor rep BS gang, fly a scorpion. Armor tanked Raven/Rokh can't fit dmg mods, you'd be better off and do more for your gang flying a Drake. If you insist on a Raven/Rokh for RR BS gangs, you might as well just use a shield tank anyway. You'll be primaried regardless based on the assumption that you're shield tanked, your ehp with an armor tank doesn't have enough resists/buffer to survive under RRing anyway, and 1300 dps for 10 seconds is better than 500 dps for 15. Even if you can be kept up with reps you're just wiping out your fleet's cap/cap charges reserve, so when you do go down (you're the only one with any cap left) so does everyone else. A drake will do more DPS than armor tanked caldari BS, and you won't get targetted until all your BS's are dead. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
Aziz Hekato Vitai Lampada	Posted - 2008.09.13 09:34:00 - [31] I made this setup in EFT and it looks quite good: LOW: 1x Reactor Control Unit II 1x Reactor Control Unit II 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II MED: 1x X-Large Shield Booster II 1x Invulnerability Field II 1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I /800's 1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I /800's 1x Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets 1x Warp Disruptor II HIGH: 1x Neutron Blaster Cannon II /Navy antimatter 1x Neutron Blaster Cannon II /Navy antimatter 1x Neutron Blaster Cannon II /Navy antimatter 1x Neutron Blaster Cannon II /Navy antimatter 1x Neutron Blaster Cannon II /Navy antimatter 1x Neutron Blaster Cannon II /Navy antimatter 1x Neutron Blaster Cannon II /Navy antimatter 1x Neutron Blaster Cannon II /Navy antimatter RIGS: Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I 78,841 EHP 72/72/72/77 resistance 310 sustained damagage 507 Reinforced defense efficieny 740 DPS 3506 Alpha This fits with WU V, AWU IV and Energy Grid Upgrades V (and ofc Engineering and the other standard fitting skills). If you'd like you can swap one of the cap boosters a webber if you want to go solo with this, not very capfriendly though, but meh. Should be noted that I have never flied a caldari ship nor have used hybrids and therefore don't know if this would even work. _____________________________ Entering the Intergalactic Summit forum is like walking into a Startrek convention; All you'll see is a bunch of nerds and you'll go "WTF?"
Danirus	Posted - 2008.09.13 09:59:00 - [32] Edited by: Danirus on 13/09/2008 10:02:13 Edited by: Danirus on 13/09/2008 10:00:31 A setup I've been playing around with on EFT but not tried it out yet (I can't use t2 blasters but this is what I would put on if I could) Neutron Blaster Cannon II x6 E500 Prototype Vamp Large 'Notos' smartbomb Heavy Cap Booster II (800) Invul Field II x2 X-Large Shield Booster II Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor Damage Control II Magnetic Stab II x2 Power Diagnostic II Large 'Accomodation' Repper Anti-EM Screen Core Defence Cap safeguard x2 Requires AWU 5 and all other fitting related skills lvl 5 + 'Squire' PG4 implant 49% cap efficiency without smartbomb and armor repper running, so you can save all cap charges to rep armor and shields simutainiously Remote repper instead of a 3rd mag stab in my eyes could be worth it. Shield Resists: EM-71.9, Term-72.8, Kin-79.6, Exp-83
Kurt Gergard Caldari Custodes Mandati Imperii	Posted - 2008.09.13 10:41:00 - [33] Edited by: Kurt Gergard on 13/09/2008 10:42:27 Originally by: Tashiell Gao Seeing as Greckor Monmouth stand up heroically as I don't have Hybrid skills trained. Will you duel Greckor Monmouth (instead of me) using your set-up as you have challenged me at above posts? Man I am not someone who bites and does not let it lose, I believe everyone else here isn't that type either. So just stop posting here and everyone will forget it. To the OP check the killboards of famous Coprerations who fights in similar situations you want to fight in. Search thier lose mails for Rohk, I am sure you will find few of your idol's Set-up Naturaly i can fight him np. EDIT: Up till now i only lost with this setup 1 vs 1 with a hyperion and the pilot used boosters. "No plan has ever survived the contact with the enemy" von Moltke
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.14 03:18:00 - [34] Any figthing done? ;) :P
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.19 06:53:00 - [35] Why does everyone propose to use blasters, the rokh will always be inferiour to a Megathron when using blasters, just think of the Megathron's damage and tracking bonus and the larger drone bay, which allows to use heavy drones. If i'd ever use a Rokh that would be a sniper Rokh with 3-4 mag. field stabs, 2 sensor boosters with target range skripts, and 8x 425mm rails with spike ammo. That's what the ship is made for imo, and not close combat. _________ My e-peen
Lt Angus Caldari Lt Angus Corp	Posted - 2008.09.19 07:19:00 - [36] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Why does everyone propose to use blasters, the rokh will always be inferiour to a Megathron when using blasters, just think of the Megathron's damage and tracking bonus and the larger drone bay, which allows to use heavy drones. If i'd ever use a Rokh that would be a sniper Rokh with 3-4 mag. field stabs, 2 sensor boosters with target range skripts, and 8x 425mm rails with spike ammo. That's what the ship is made for imo, and not close combat. blaster rokh is not inferiour to mega, rokh has 1 more turret and can fit 3-4 dmg mods while out tanking the mega, Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.19 11:01:00 - [37] Originally by: Lt Angus blaster rokh is not inferiour to mega, rokh has 1 more turret and can fit 3-4 dmg mods while out tanking the mega, With the Mega's damage bonus it has 8,75 effective turrets, but most important it has a 37.5% tracking bonus, wich is not stacking penalized against tracking modules. I'm not a gunnery expert, but isn't tracking a crucial factor, if you fight at blaster ranges ? This make up a lot, depends on how important that is. And finally 5 heavy drones deal quite a bit more dps than 5 mediums. The shield resistance bonus is of course a solid advantage, but a mwd and a web are a must on a blaster ship, and people might like to fit a scrambler and a sensor booster aswell, after that there won't be much tank left on the Rokh. I'd still prefer the Mega for blasters, especially because of the tracking bonus. _________ My e-peen
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.09.19 11:09:00 - [38] FFS when does the forum stop eating my post. Anyway allthough you can solo in a rokh, it really shines in gangs. Then you can let others do the tackling, and use those extra mid slots for a tank that a mega wont come near. Megas usually dont have and full tackling gear and sensor booster (mwd web scram injector normally). And a rokh can easily shoot at 20km distance, a mega not that easy. They both got advantages and disadvantages, but rokh certainly has its uses.
Mike's Salesman	Posted - 2008.09.19 11:32:00 - [39] Edited by: Mike''s Salesman on 19/09/2008 11:37:02 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Lt Angus blaster rokh is not inferiour to mega, rokh has 1 more turret and can fit 3-4 dmg mods while out tanking the mega, With the Mega's damage bonus it has 8,75 effective turrets, but most important it has a 37.5% tracking bonus, wich is not stacking penalized against tracking modules. I'm not a gunnery expert, but isn't tracking a crucial factor, if you fight at blaster ranges ? This make up a lot, depends on how important that is. And finally 5 heavy drones deal quite a bit more dps than 5 mediums. The shield resistance bonus is of course a solid advantage, but a mwd and a web are a must on a blaster ship, and people might like to fit a scrambler and a sensor booster aswell, after that there won't be much tank left on the Rokh. I'd still prefer the Mega for blasters, especially because of the tracking bonus. Since I prefer keeping my fittings for myself I will not go into detail, but will give you some numbers to think about. My Rokh has a scrambler, web and Cap Booster fitted, deals arround 1010 dps and tanks arround 750 dps. Now show me the mega which can beat that (with just t2 mods). edit: also your heavy drones can be killed quite easily and you will then deal arround 500 dps if when you have a decent tank fitted and maybe 700 when you are fitted for gank. If you kill my Rokh¦s med drones i am still at 860 dps while running a quite good tank.
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.09.19 12:10:00 - [40] 1 or 2 heavy neuts help, and it isnt that easy to kill heavy drones at close range where he can just recall them. But this kind of paperwar is a bit pointless imo.
Lindsay Logan	Posted - 2008.09.19 12:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Furb Killer 1 or 2 heavy neuts help, and it isnt that easy to kill heavy drones at close range where he can just recall them. But this kind of paperwar is a bit pointless imo. Maby, but it givs a lot of folks a lot of indeas, and that eventually leads to refined and better setups. So its not a totla wast. I would like to see the setup mentioned earlier tho. Otherwise its just random numbers, and for all I know lies.
Mike's Salesman	Posted - 2008.09.19 12:29:00 - [42] Edited by: Mike''s Salesman on 19/09/2008 12:29:28 Originally by: Lindsay Logan Originally by: Furb Killer 1 or 2 heavy neuts help, and it isnt that easy to kill heavy drones at close range where he can just recall them. But this kind of paperwar is a bit pointless imo. Maby, but it givs a lot of folks a lot of indeas, and that eventually leads to refined and better setups. So its not a totla wast. I would like to see the setup mentioned earlier tho. Otherwise its just random numbers, and for all I know lies. Well.. if you believe it or not that is up to you. But i spend a lot of time working out setups and testing them on the battlefield + I am making my ISK from shooting ppl. I have my reasons to keep my setups only to myself. The only ones I share my setups with are my corpm8s. There is no need for me to give any potential target an advice of how to fit his ship :P.
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.09.19 12:29:00 - [43] Paper wars work decently when you stay to general situations, not when you start countering specific ships during your paper war. And why dont you give your setup for your rokh then? Or just plug it in eft and check what happens with your tankable dps when you got 1-2 heavy neuts on you.
Mike's Salesman	Posted - 2008.09.19 12:35:00 - [44] Originally by: Furb Killer Paper wars work decently when you stay to general situations, not when you start countering specific ships during your paper war. And why dont you give your setup for your rokh then? Or just plug it in eft and check what happens with your tankable dps when you got 1-2 heavy neuts on you. And here you exactly state why i do not need to consider 1-2 heavy neuts on a mega i encounter. Why? because in my whole time in eve i did not see many megas flying arround with a neut fitted. No1 is gonna fly arround with a ship fitted just for a certain situation. When i play at your doorstep there might be a chance that you refit your mega for that situation. If you play at my doorstep i ll just deagress.. dock... swap to my apoc and laugh about your neuts.
Birkinz	Posted - 2008.09.19 13:10:00 - [45] Edited by: Birkinz on 19/09/2008 13:10:58 "also your heavy drones can be killed quite easily and you will then deal arround 500 dps when you have a decent tank fitted and maybe 700 when you are fitted for gank. If you kill my Rokh¦s med drones i am still at 860 dps while running a quite good tank." This isn't accurate at all. I fly both ships and it is a simple fact that the Mega outdamages the Rokh with just guns fitted. On just the guns my Mega kicks out more then 1000 dps in a gank fit (3 magstabs, 3% implants).
Mike's Salesman	Posted - 2008.09.19 13:36:00 - [46] Edited by: Mike''s Salesman on 19/09/2008 13:39:26 Originally by: Birkinz Edited by: Birkinz on 19/09/2008 13:10:58 "also your heavy drones can be killed quite easily and you will then deal arround 500 dps when you have a decent tank fitted and maybe 700 when you are fitted for gank. If you kill my Rokh¦s med drones i am still at 860 dps while running a quite good tank." This isn't accurate at all. I fly both ships and it is a simple fact that the Mega outdamages the Rokh with just guns fitted. On just the guns my Mega kicks out more then 1000 dps in a gank fit (3 magstabs, 3% implants). k granted. i did not really check the exact amount of dps on the mega on certain fittings. But with 3 magstabs + full rack of neutrans (without implants) you deal turret 935 dps (when you have blaster spec to level 5 which most ppl do not bother to train.. for me every % extra is worth the time but not every1 is thinking like that). Let¦s see what you have left now. Enough PG and CPU to fit 2x1600mm Plate 1xdmg control 1xAdaptive nano Plating. With 3 Trimarks you end up at having 97k EHP. Rokh easily gets the same amount of EHP + active tank @ arround 860 turret dps. Granted that the gank mega deals more damage then i stated 1st but if you let those 2 ships go against each other with those setups the Rokh will still win. edit: just to point it out... i do not want to say the mega sucks. Or that the Rokh will allways win against a mega, but the Rokh definetly is one of the Few battleships which are a threat to a mega 1 on 1.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.19 13:37:00 - [47] Originally by: Birkinz Edited by: Birkinz on 19/09/2008 13:10:58 "also your heavy drones can be killed quite easily and you will then deal arround 500 dps when you have a decent tank fitted and maybe 700 when you are fitted for gank. If you kill my Rokh¦s med drones i am still at 860 dps while running a quite good tank." This isn't accurate at all. I fly both ships and it is a simple fact that the Mega outdamages the Rokh with just guns fitted. On just the guns my Mega kicks out more then 1000 dps in a gank fit (3 magstabs, 3% implants). Of course you do more damage with the Mega, because even without drones it has 8,75 effective turrets with the damage bonus, compared to the 8 turrets of the Rokh, a fully gank fitted Mega will always outdamage a Rokh, and even more when you take the drone diffrence into account. In the quoted statement someone compares the ships with diffrent modules. That's not very usefull, with that you can also say a drake deals more damage than a raven, just don't mention that you fit 4 ballistic controls on your ham drake and no ballistic controls on your cruise raven. For a fair comparison of ships the damage related modules, skills and implants must be the same. I'd still like to hear from someone who did the maths on tracking, or have a decent gunnery expirience, how usefull the tracking bonus is at blaster ranges and what role it plays compared to medium range railgun fights. _________ My e-peen
Mike's Salesman	Posted - 2008.09.19 13:44:00 - [48] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Birkinz Edited by: Birkinz on 19/09/2008 13:10:58 "also your heavy drones can be killed quite easily and you will then deal arround 500 dps when you have a decent tank fitted and maybe 700 when you are fitted for gank. If you kill my Rokh¦s med drones i am still at 860 dps while running a quite good tank." This isn't accurate at all. I fly both ships and it is a simple fact that the Mega outdamages the Rokh with just guns fitted. On just the guns my Mega kicks out more then 1000 dps in a gank fit (3 magstabs, 3% implants). Of course you do more damage with the Mega, because even without drones it has 8,75 effective turrets with the damage bonus, compared to the 8 turrets of the Rokh, a fully gank fitted Mega will always outdamage a Rokh, and even more when you take the drone diffrence into account. In the quoted statement someone compares the ships with diffrent modules. That's not very usefull, with that you can also say a drake deals more damage than a raven, just don't mention that you fit 4 ballistic controls on your ham drake and no ballistic controls on your cruise raven. For a fair comparison of ships the damage related modules, skills and implants must be the same. I'd still like to hear from someone who did the maths on tracking, or have a decent gunnery expirience, how usefull the tracking bonus is at blaster ranges and what role it plays compared to medium range railgun fights. The tracking surely gives you an advantage against any ship that is smaller than a BC. Against BC and bigger it does not really matter.
Hairygoagain	Posted - 2008.09.19 13:49:00 - [49] A Rokh can 'snipe' with Antimatter at 90 Km. :-) Lee
Birkinz	Posted - 2008.09.19 16:11:00 - [50] Edited by: Birkinz on 19/09/2008 16:16:23 Edited by: Birkinz on 19/09/2008 16:11:58 I only quoted you because it is wrong to say the mega would have less damage. The two ships can be set up in very similar ways with the Rokh obviously tending to be tankier and the mega gankier. The Mega can also use slaves and then it is really the ultimate blaster ship with; more ehp then the rokh, bigger drone bay, more damage, better tracking and full tackle (slightly less range, but only slightly due to the tracking). I like the rokh but it is held back slightly by its small dronebay, I never did understand why it didnt get 75m3.
Furb Killer Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.09.19 16:24:00 - [51] 1 heavy neut on a mega isnt that uncommon btw...
Mike's Salesman	Posted - 2008.09.19 16:33:00 - [52] Originally by: Furb Killer 1 heavy neut on a mega isnt that uncommon btw... just out of curiousity I took a look at my last 15 mega kills. 2 of them head fitted a heavy neut (and no none of them was buzzing arround in a fleet, they were all traveling arround solo through low sec)
Mike's Salesman	Posted - 2008.09.19 16:42:00 - [53] Originally by: Birkinz Edited by: Birkinz on 19/09/2008 16:27:58 Edited by: Birkinz on 19/09/2008 16:16:58 Edited by: Birkinz on 19/09/2008 16:16:23 Edited by: Birkinz on 19/09/2008 16:11:58 I only quoted you because it is wrong to say the mega would have less damage. The two ships can be set up in very similar ways with the Rokh obviously tending to be tankier and the mega gankier. The Mega can also use slaves and then it is really the ultimate blaster ship with; more ehp then the rokh, bigger drone bay, more damage, better tracking and full tackle (slightly less range, but only slightly due to the tracking). I like the rokh but it is held back slightly by its small dronebay, I never did understand why it didnt get 75m3? Also remember that active tanks dont really mix well with MWD and blasters that well. Even with a cap booster. and here we go again.. just to defend your point now we add more stuff to the discussion. Yes you can use slaves.. fine I can use a crystal set on my Rokh... cool eh?... i can also fit an estamels invul field and a gist-x type or pith x-type shield booster + officer damage mods and compare that to a t2 fitted mega. The point is. T2 fitted Rokh > T2 fitted mega (compared 1vs1).. just slightly but thats the way it is. Then again in a fleet yes a mega is more useful because it can run a much better high hp buffer tank. Rokh can scram/web + tank and gank all in one, while mega can only scram/web + tank or gank.. in many situations the gank fitting will still be able to take enough punishment to survive until the target blows up, but against a well fitted high skilled Rokh pilot you will lose.
Greckor Monmouth THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.09.19 18:00:00 - [54] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Why does everyone propose to use blasters, the rokh will always be inferiour to a Megathron when using blasters, just think of the Megathron's damage and tracking bonus and the larger drone bay, which allows to use heavy drones. If i'd ever use a Rokh that would be a sniper Rokh with 3-4 mag. field stabs, 2 sensor boosters with target range skripts, and 8x 425mm rails with spike ammo. That's what the ship is made for imo, and not close combat. It isnt inferior, it has a better tank while putting out good DPS. 1v1 vs megas, I win every time.
Greckor Monmouth THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.09.19 18:05:00 - [55] BTW here is my setup, I will be trying to get that duel going, but i havent been able to play much lately so I might just have to ask that it is on the test server to save time. Rokh- 8neutron 2's XL SB 2, Invul 2, SBA 2, web, point, heavy injector 2(or electrochem works fine) MFS 24, DC2 Rigs- em/kin/therm shield resist rigs Drones-whatever you feel like.

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