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LiNuXb0y Amarr LaMar Associates	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:07:00 - [1] So me and a few corp mates were talking about the new power of 2 offer, they mentioned that it was 49.95 US dollers for 6 months which seemed like an awesome deal to get an alt. I decided to check my emails to check it out in more detail, upon inspection of my email I noticed that the price was 49.95 Euros not dollers. I ran a currency conversion (both into English pounds as I'm English) and it turns out that us European players are paying 11.30 more English pounds (19.88 US Dollers) then US players. This is not fare and should be addressed, why should we pay almost $70 when you pay $49?
ThaDollaGenerale The Priory	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:09:00 - [2] Because uhh. ummm. USA USA USA
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Defence Force	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:09:00 - [3] because it's relative to the local market economy, not relative to each other. this argument has been put forward over and over (most recently and vocally when the GTC prices changed) but it's not about what the US pays vs the UK, it's about what the market in each country will bear. how much is a computer game now in the UK? (haven't lived there in 15 years) 50 quid? in the US it's $50-$60, because essentially, your pound buys you there what a dollar buys you here. it's not up to CCP to regulate international economies or balance what players around the world pay, relative to each other. This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:09:00 - [4] We don't pay more. Our rate is at 100%. The US merely gets a poverty discount. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Defence Force	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:10:00 - [5] Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale Because uhh. ummm. USA USA USA i think you mean: USA NUMBER ONE! WOOOOOOOOOOAAARRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
KargoKing	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:17:00 - [6] buy eve game time cards in us $, pay pal will convert ú to $ meaing u pay alot less $34.99 for 60 Days costs me ú20GBP
LiNuXb0y Amarr LaMar Associates	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:19:00 - [7] OK I appreciate that there are differences in the economy's of country's, and sure I'd accept maybe 10% more but 40% is too much.
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:21:00 - [8] Because everything in Europe is overpriced
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Abrazzar We don't pay more. Our rate is at 100%. The US merely gets a poverty discount. This. +1. Quoted for Truth. etc. etc. I just watched a report on BBC about the American economy. omg. Even the Mexicans are going home.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Abrazzar We don't pay more. Our rate is at 100%. The US merely gets a poverty discount. This. +1. Quoted for Truth. etc. etc. I just watched a report on BBC about the American economy. omg. Even the Mexicans are going home. Heh. Don't believe everything the news tells you. And BBC is hardly an unbiased source ------------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Wrangler Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.
Pesky LaRue Minmatar L.O.S.T. Defence Force	Posted - 2008.09.11 00:34:00 - [11] Quote: OK I appreciate that there are differences in the economy's of country's, and sure I'd accept maybe 10% more but 40% is too much. i don't mean this to sound harsh, but it's not about what YOU'LL accept, it's about what the local MARKET will accept. again, what does a game cost nowadays in England? This message came from the Minmatar Messiah, accept no imitations Pesky LaRue, Minmatar Messiah Bringing Salvation To Your System Soon! ++ PRAY FOR PESKY ++
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.09.11 01:18:00 - [12] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 11/09/2008 01:18:49 Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 11/09/2008 01:18:22 Originally by: LiNuXb0y So me and a few corp mates were talking about the new power of 2 offer, they mentioned that it was 49.95 US dollers for 6 months which seemed like an awesome deal to get an alt. I decided to check my emails to check it out in more detail, upon inspection of my email I noticed that the price was 49.95 Euros not dollers. I ran a currency conversion (both into English pounds as I'm English) and it turns out that us European players are paying 11.30 more English pounds (19.88 US Dollers) then US players. This is not fare and should be addressed, why should we pay almost $70 when you pay $49? Actually, the gap in difference between what the yankees pay and we europeans pays have in the last weeks been closed in. So the difference aint that large anymore. The fact is: CCP dont set the dollar rate... OR the Euro rate! And: US yankees pay US dollah While: Eurpeans pay European dollah, better known as EURO CCP can affect a lot of things ingame, but honestly, they cant influence the cash exchange rates.. Oh, did I mentioned this have been mentioned like fiftly trillion times before on this forum?? Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2008.09.11 01:24:00 - [13] I lived in UK till just a little while back, actually lived there for over 6 years, before I came back home to USA, and when I wanted to buy a bottle of Poweraid I would pay 99p for it, when I want to buy the same exact bottle of Poweaid here in the USA, I pay 99 Cents. Guess what, living in UK, and EU in general is allot more expensive than living in the USA. (There are many reasons for it, which we wont get into, but as an educated person, you should already know most of them). Where a British national would be making 35k GBP a year, it would translate roughly into $70k US, which is quite good these days, for USA one would think, but not quite the same in UK I would imagine, since, as mentioned above, the cost of living in the UK, and EU is much higher than it is in NJ for example, one of the most "expensive" US states. In other words it is unfair how global economy works, I understand, but the fact is, it will continue working this way, whether we "accept" it or not.
Vabjekf	Posted - 2008.09.11 01:46:00 - [14] europe has some crazy taxes, yo
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.11 01:52:00 - [15] Quote: Why do European players have to pay more? Because your supercollider will create micro singularities which will eat our faces off silly.
LiNuXb0y Amarr LaMar Associates	Posted - 2008.09.11 02:02:00 - [16] hhhmmm maybe I should emigrate lol
Scoutette	Posted - 2008.09.11 02:49:00 - [17] Originally by: LiNuXb0y why should we pay almost $70 when you pay $49? Because CCP doesn't want to restructure their pricing every time the exchange rates change.
Kobushi OCForums	Posted - 2008.09.11 07:46:00 - [18] Edited by: Kobushi on 11/09/2008 07:51:44 Actually a typical minimal wage american pays a higher % of his monthly wage then a european minimal wage worker(assuming a normal full week schedule of 40 hours in US and 37.5 in eurozone) USA Minimal wage: 1050$ months. 49.95$= 4.76% his monthly wage GB Minimal wage: 956.80 pounds(about 1200euro) 49.95 euro= 4.16% France Minimal wage: 1.321 euro. 49.95 euro= 3.78% Netherlands Minimal wage: 1.317 euro. 49.95 euro= 3.79% So a typical burger flipping teenager in the eurozone is having it cheaper in the eurozone when accounting for the average full time week minimal wage. It gets even worst when comparing how many hours is needed to raise the said 49.95 in local currency US: 49.95/6.55 = 7.62 hours worked. GB: 49.95/8.00 = 6.24 hours worked. France: 49.95/8.80 = 5.67 hours worked. When you compare apples with apples and not oranges or rocks or the next door poodle then you see those apples are actually pretty good. P.S.: minimal wage and "full time" hours were taken from official national government websites and are as up to date as possible for someone not living in the eurozone or the US.
Ackuula	Posted - 2008.09.11 07:47:00 - [19] You've never heard of the currency F--- have you. They like to just take the American price in dollars and change it to Euro or Pounds. Instant profit! Movies, electronics, and software are sold at rippoff prices over here. Get a buddy to buy you time cards in the States.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.09.11 07:52:00 - [20] Originally by: LiNuXb0y hhhmmm maybe I should emigrate lol no no the other way around you want to get the hell out of the US becuase of things like this. eve battleships 125$/80 in UK same with board game coming out. we only make 10$/hour, you make 15$ an hour, they **** us over, and thankfully CCP don't increase the price because we can't afford it. If they incease the price of our sub (they would never lower it for you they would just increase it for us) about 30-40% of the playerbase would leave and CCP would be in the hole.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.09.11 07:54:00 - [21] Pish posh, i pay DD for my gametimes, getting a whopping 18Ç/month price for my EVEy time. This comes up to...oh-my-gods...36Ç more a year then CC people! The point?...it's only 36Ç/year Smoke one less ciggie/day and i get my EVE time price compensated and supposedly better health. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.09.11 07:55:00 - [22] Europeans pay more so we can have this type of post ever week or so [or when GTC's run out for power of 2 players. in 2004 it was the other way round and the US where whining -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.11 07:56:00 - [23] I refuse to point out that this topic has been done to death and back again. Let the dead horse lay. Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.11 08:03:00 - [24] Edited by: Victor Valka on 11/09/2008 08:03:16 Originally by: Kobushi Edited by: Kobushi on 11/09/2008 07:51:44 Actually a typical minimal wage american pays a higher % of his monthly wage then a european minimal wage worker(assuming a normal full week schedule of 40 hours in US and 37.5 in eurozone) USA Minimal wage: 1050$ months. 49.95$= 4.76% his monthly wage GB Minimal wage: 956.80 pounds(about 1200euro) 49.95 euro= 4.16% France Minimal wage: 1.321 euro. 49.95 euro= 3.78% Netherlands Minimal wage: 1.317 euro. 49.95 euro= 3.79% So a typical burger flipping teenager in the eurozone is having it cheaper in the eurozone when accounting for the average full time week minimal wage. It gets even worst when comparing how many hours is needed to raise the said 49.95 in local currency US: 49.95/6.55 = 7.62 hours worked. GB: 49.95/8.00 = 6.24 hours worked. France: 49.95/8.80 = 5.67 hours worked. When you compare apples with apples and not oranges or rocks or the next door poodle then you see those apples are actually pretty good. P.S.: minimal wage and "full time" hours were taken from official national government websites and are as up to date as possible for someone not living in the eurozone or the US. Latvia/LV: Minimal wage: 160 LVL/month (~228 EUR). BEFORE tax. Just FYI. Yes, I live there. Yes, I earn more then that. No, my wage is still below any of those listed even tho I have higher education and plenty of work experience. Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.09.11 08:26:00 - [25] Originally by: Jinx Barker If I was a Brit, I would save every penny, and buy a freaking house in USA, for allot less than a corner lot, semi-detached home in UK. Bloody 175k GBP, for a 2 bedroom home in a bad neighborhood, where for $350k US I could buy a 5 bedroom house with an acre of land to it. It crossed my mind to, however you then live in a CONCORD state run by Bush. I feel for the people in the USA.
Hungo Minmatar Rheinland Navy Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.09.11 08:30:00 - [26] Or u did what i do My friend jason in Albany pays my eve account, and i paypal him the money, ui get two accounst for the price of one and im breaking no rules :)
Hungo Minmatar Rheinland Navy Zeta Tau Epsilon	Posted - 2008.09.11 08:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Xevan Templar Originally by: Jinx Barker If I was a Brit, I would save every penny, and buy a freaking house in USA, for allot less than a corner lot, semi-detached home in UK. Bloody 175k GBP, for a 2 bedroom home in a bad neighborhood, where for $350k US I could buy a 5 bedroom house with an acre of land to it. It crossed my mind to, however you then live in a CONCORD state run by Bush. I feel for the people in the USA. With President Bush, the CIA killing anyone who says AMerica is bad, gang land culture, over run by immagrants, unsafe to walk the streets at night? a gun shop on every corner, police shooting anyone they please, a culture so caught up in itself that there is no way out? No thanks, ill stay british n stay in england,. at least when i got the shop @ 10pm in my village i know there isnt a risk sum gang banger homie is gonan try n rob me because god forbid he should get a real job America = Shit hole, cess pit, pathetic
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.09.11 08:45:00 - [28] Originally by: Hungo America = Shit hole, cess pit, pathetic I understand your point, however allow me to bring it a little more subtle. The average American is just like you and I. It's the ***ed up politicians and Bush government that turns the USA, or already has, into a police state. They have used fear, and still use fear (fear created by the government itself) as a method to get all those patriot acts running. I'm pretty much convinced every town or village is just as safe when it comes to the average citizen, as in my country. The Bush government however wants the people to think it's a jungle and they need 'protection', hence Bush is actually saying: 'Marshal law is good'. Heaven help the people of the USA. I just realise though I can't discuss politics on the EVE forums blowing up people ingame = good, politics = bad *
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.11 09:25:00 - [29] Originally by: LiNuXb0y So me and a few corp mates were talking about the new power of 2 offer, they mentioned that it was 49.95 US dollers for 6 months which seemed like an awesome deal to get an alt. I decided to check my emails to check it out in more detail, upon inspection of my email I noticed that the price was 49.95 Euros not dollers. I ran a currency conversion (both into English pounds as I'm English) and it turns out that us European players are paying 11.30 more English pounds (19.88 US Dollers) then US players. This is not fare and should be addressed, why should we pay almost $70 when you pay $49? There is a simple reason that explains everything: CCP Hates you. Play nice while you butcher each other.
cpt Mark	Posted - 2008.09.11 09:46:00 - [30] Originally by: Pesky LaRue because it's relative to the local market economy, not relative to each other. this argument has been put forward over and over (most recently and vocally when the GTC prices changed) but it's not about what the US pays vs the UK, it's about what the market in each country will bear. how much is a computer game now in the UK? (haven't lived there in 15 years) 50 quid? in the US it's $50-$60, because essentially, your pound buys you there what a dollar buys you here. it's not up to CCP to regulate international economies or balance what players around the world pay, relative to each other. No, it would be more like 20-30 quid depending on the quality of the game. Other MMORPG's in the UK cost around 8-9 GBP per month, making EVE online the most expensive i have seen. and taking into account mimimum wage is crap. The reason things are cheaper in America is because you rip off your own working class, and the people in less economically developed countries. So don't bullshit to us about how you actually pay more.

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