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Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:14:00 -
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You know it is one thing when I debate with people who obviously hate incursions and will spew lie after lie about them in an attempt to harm hisec. It is QUITE another when I have to debate with incursion runners who feel that CCP will never nerf incursions for whatever reason they think they are special for.
The worst is "some" of the Incursion leaders who want to be "Incursion Bob" muting people who call for members to defend incursions against the lies and the extremely harmful "suggestions" Then go on to claim that Incursions will never be nerfed.
Nothing in this game is "sacred" many of the fixes we now see were after huge debates erupting left and right on how said changes would affect the game and it's future. That is how it is supposed to be so that CCP can get as much info and views as they can.
Incursions are great. Yet many want them to vanish from hisec or be nerfed to oblivion. You would think most of the incursion community agrees with that stance by how silent they are when people post horrific ideas in the idea topic on the subject. Yet it is just they will only go on about it in their active fleets and wont take time out from their 5 min VGs to post said views where CCP or the CSM can see them. In this regard they are similar to renters out in nullsec. Only whining once the nerfs already happen.
Being an "Incursion Bob" wont save incursions from nerfs. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:58:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Incursions are great. Yet many want them to vanish from hisec or be nerfed to oblivion. You would think most of the incursion community agrees with that stance by how silent they are when people post horrific ideas in the idea topic on the subject. Yet it is just they will only go on about it in their active fleets and wont take time out from their 5 min VGs to post said views where CCP or the CSM can see them. In this regard they are similar to renters out in nullsec. Only whining once the nerfs already happen.
I trust you are aware that most of the elite vanguard fleets are populated by folks who would rather be in nullsec, where their mains live.
Many of them actually do want (highsec) incursions nerfed. |

Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:05:00 -
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OfBalance wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Incursions are great. Yet many want them to vanish from hisec or be nerfed to oblivion. You would think most of the incursion community agrees with that stance by how silent they are when people post horrific ideas in the idea topic on the subject. Yet it is just they will only go on about it in their active fleets and wont take time out from their 5 min VGs to post said views where CCP or the CSM can see them. In this regard they are similar to renters out in nullsec. Only whining once the nerfs already happen.
I trust you are aware that most of the elite vanguard fleets are populated by folks who would rather be in nullsec, where their mains live. Many of them actually do want (highsec) incursions nerfed.
Not the ones I am talking to.
BTW topic got buried in 8 tons of bs about the controversy. Can we get back to the issues here folks? |

Molly Modee
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:07:00 -
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Your Greed is Not Good Endeavour Starfleet. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:09:00 -
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oust Incursion Bob, the prophet of the incursion runners who styles himself as "Ammzi" and makes really bad posts about the mittani because he dares question the risk/reward balance across the game "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:22:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Nothing in this game is "sacred"[...].
Evidenced by the fact Incursions was added in the first place.
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
132
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Posted - 2012.03.27 06:32:00 -
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Dude, I love to make isk as much as the next guy, but this incursion things are way way ridiculous.
They should either 1) be nerfed or 2) be made harder - harder is fine too.
To the point where I can't do logistics in my sleep as is currently the case.  My EVE YouTube Channel |

DarthNefarius
106
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:01:00 -
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Andski wrote:oust Incursion Bob, the prophet of the incursion runners who styles himself as "Ammzi" and makes really bad posts about the mittani because he dares question the risk/reward balance across the game
Only thing I've seen mittens say about incursions is that he likes them becuase they can't be botted. That said I'm sure pretty sure CCPSoundwave is planning on an Incursion nerf because he said he's starting with Incursions before bounties nerf in a recent interview after Fanfest. To be honest instead of the 10% nerf on bounties I'd like to see sleeper/Incursion AI's appearing in all L3+ missions to make them tougher to bot but I guess that is too much of a developing nightmare? "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |

Endeavour Starfleet
760
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:31:00 -
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Andski wrote:oust Incursion Bob, the prophet of the incursion runners who styles himself as "Ammzi" and makes really bad posts about the mittani because he dares question the risk/reward balance across the game
Ammzi is not Incursion Bob. BTw you do know I am saying Incursion Bob is similar to Baghdad Bob right? |

YUMAD BRO
Aliastra Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:50:00 -
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They are killing the game..fking up our economy by flooding it with isk....
but hey, I would be mad to if I made a 100m isk and hour with no risk at all and ppl were saying to nerf it or get rid of it all together.
I understand you....BUT YOU ARE STILL A TARD.
Get rid of them all together in high-sec I say..if you want to make that much, go out in low/null and run them and take some risk for it..
If not then stfu and go mine you btch. |

Endeavour Starfleet
760
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:58:00 -
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Still holding onto that "Floods economy with isk" BS eh?
U mad? |

Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 09:12:00 -
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I fought the live events before incursions came out, I fought in the incursions when they started. Being party to the first momship kill. We fought with T1 ships, no shinies cause of the risk.
Incursions are lame and scripted isk printers now, many of the members act elitist only allowing billion isk fittings in. Personally, as systems get control, the spawn rate needs to slow down. Get people out of vanguards and into the assault/hq sites. Randomize spawns and triggers, then incursions are fixed. |

Endeavour Starfleet
788
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Posted - 2012.04.05 01:46:00 -
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Quote:The rewards and challenges of Sansha invasion fleets in Incursion content have been revisited to better balance challenge and reward. Vanguard invasions will now take a bit longer, while the time to complete an Assault invasions will be reduced some. In addition, the ISK reward of Vanguard invasions has been changed to bring the reward in line with the difficulty/risk.
http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/
Yep. They are Incursion Bobs and I wonder what excuse they will come up with in their channels this time. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
334
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Posted - 2012.04.05 01:55:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Quote:The rewards and challenges of Sansha invasion fleets in Incursion content have been revisited to better balance challenge and reward. Vanguard invasions will now take a bit longer, while the time to complete an Assault invasions will be reduced some. In addition, the ISK reward of Vanguard invasions has been changed to bring the reward in line with the difficulty/risk. http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/Yep. They are Incursion Bobs and I wonder what excuse they will come up with in their channels this time. After incursions are nerfed, they will then go after wh's, then level 4's (againandagainandagain...).
Because "you're not playing their way".
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
29
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Posted - 2012.04.05 02:05:00 -
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I'm curious about where does this "Incursion Bob" name comes from. |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
334
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Posted - 2012.04.05 02:07:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:I'm curious about where does this "Incursion Bob" name comes from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf
Otherwise known as "Baghdad Bob".
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.04.05 02:33:00 -
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Yep Baghdad Bob. The guy who said with a straight face that Iraq could keep the collation forces out of the major cities. Of course that is real life PR and politics but I think the way that people say that "Incursion Nerfs will not happen" In their channels is much the same way. You have more than enough in front of you saying that bad changes are coming but you want to bury your head in the sand and pretend things will be lovely and that your channel base wont desert you afterwards.
Don't get me wrong many members who assumed everything was ok or "Not mah job to tell CCP this is wrong" And just dragged their fit lines over will be the also just as deserving of the nerfs. And I will indeed enjoy watching their in game tears in the channel when the OPs there try to explain away the recently implemented nerfs. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.05 04:17:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:5 min VGs Well there's your problem, right there. You guys figured out a way to blitz sites in <5 minutes with minimal risk, now its being fixed. Deal with it, and if you want to make insane amounts of ISK in the future I suggest you try wormholes, low sec or null sec.
You know, places that were intended to be high-profit.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.04.05 04:34:00 -
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Andski wrote:oust Incursion Bob, the prophet of the incursion runners who styles himself as "Ammzi" and makes really bad posts about the mittani because he dares question the risk/reward balance across the game
Yeah dont worry, Incursion Goonfleet will take care of Incursion BoD er Bob
Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
115
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Posted - 2012.04.05 04:38:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:I fought the live events before incursions came out, I fought in the incursions when they started. Being party to the first momship kill. We fought with T1 ships, no shinies cause of the risk.
Incursions are lame and scripted isk printers now, many of the members act elitist only allowing billion isk fittings in. Personally, as systems get control, the spawn rate needs to slow down. Get people out of vanguards and into the assault/hq sites. Randomize spawns and triggers, then incursions are fixed.
wait what damage do they do most heavily in those? Go in wit suicide ganks to the damages theyd be weakest to no mas billion isk fits?
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Quote:The rewards and challenges of Sansha invasion fleets in Incursion content have been revisited to better balance challenge and reward. Vanguard invasions will now take a bit longer, while the time to complete an Assault invasions will be reduced some. In addition, the ISK reward of Vanguard invasions has been changed to bring the reward in line with the difficulty/risk. http://community.eveonline.com/en/inferno/features/Yep. They are Incursion Bobs and I wonder what excuse they will come up with in their channels this time. After incursions are nerfed, they will then go after wh's, then level 4's (againandagainandagain...). Because "you're not playing their way".
yes its only THEIR sandbox not YOUR sandbox Ravan Hekki: "Well done CCP. Banned tears the best sort of tears." especially Goon tears
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:45:00 -
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Richard Aiel wrote:Ah the places theyll nerf next.
what you expected them to buff null and low? I don't really care if they buff it or not to be honest, it's not like I doing any PvE any more anyway.
As long as profit goes "high > low > null > whs" I'm happy.
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adopt
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
375
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Posted - 2012.04.05 14:58:00 -
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Incursions are being rebalanced, that's it. VGs shouldn't provide a higher income for less risk. They are now (rightfully) being put at the bottom of the money pile, where Assaults are receiving a buff. Stop complaining. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |

Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
57
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:01:00 -
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Well if CCP want to in anyways keep with a realistic timeline and story line, incursions will be gone soon.. i mean 1 nation can only invade an entire empire for so long before both running out of men and spaceships..
So heres hoping incursions will end with the coming of Inferno! |

Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
334
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:08:00 -
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Richard Aiel wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote: After incursions are nerfed, they will then go after wh's, then level 4's (againandagainandagain...).
Because "you're not playing their way".
yes its only THEIR sandbox not YOUR sandbox #1 - LTQuote, m'kay? #2 - I wasn't talking about CCP, instead all the whiners who for years (at least since I joined in 2008) have been complaining that "hi-sec makes too much, with too little risk", and the corollary whiners that "Low-Sec" or "Null-Sec" is empty.
People will find the place they want to go in game (wh's, low-sec or null-sec) when they're ready... or not at all. Nerfing hi-sec income will not fix the problems in low/null.
But, after incursions are *fixed* - there will be a new whine about "X,Y,Z keeps people in hi-sec..." Instead of trying to understand, all that seems to be happening to me is people fling poo until something sticks somewhere, then all the other poo-flingers come out...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |

Angel Lust
Vikinghall
43
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:28:00 -
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I see a end of that time where all kind of people got togetter and formed fleets in higsec, and worked togetter . When all botters are removed from eve , highsec incursion runners will part and go back to their belts as mining will be more profitable... CCP started something good... Carebear haters whined and CCP listened.. Back to sqare one
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2012.04.05 15:45:00 -
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Angel Lust wrote:I see a end of that time where all kind of people got togetter and formed fleets in higsec to kill each other, and worked togetter . When all botters are removed from eve , highsec incursion runners will part and go back to their belts as mining will be more profitable... CCP started something good... Carebear haters whined and CCP listened.. Back to sqare one
added an important part. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |

Endeavour Starfleet
790
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Posted - 2012.04.05 17:51:00 -
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Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Well if CCP want to in anyways keep with a realistic timeline and story line, incursions will be gone soon.. i mean 1 nation can only invade an entire empire for so long before both running out of men and spaceships..
So heres hoping incursions will end with the coming of Inferno!
Doing it right as in providing a new faction incursion would require dev resources instead of throwing some so called "Fixes" down in five minutes of coding because the forum filled up with nullsec whiners and Incursion bobs kept their channels xing up instead of contesting the lies that led to this. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
487
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:03:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Nirnias Stirrum wrote:Well if CCP want to in anyways keep with a realistic timeline and story line, incursions will be gone soon.. i mean 1 nation can only invade an entire empire for so long before both running out of men and spaceships..
So heres hoping incursions will end with the coming of Inferno! Doing it right as in providing a new faction incursion would require dev resources instead of throwing some so called "Fixes" down in five minutes of coding because the forum filled up with nullsec whiners and Incursion bobs kept their channels xing up instead of contesting the lies that led to this. Obligatory umadbro.
Want to make loads of isk as part of a fleet? Try wormholes, or is actually losing your ship if you're careless too great a burden to bear?
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
110
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:10:00 -
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one of the big things about incursions is the random fleet part that no other pve earning offers. It originally wasn't the isk, but the fact I can just join up with other people from other corps and enjoy with alot lower risk. That is the important part of incursions, hence the fix and not just nerf. Glad to see they are fixing the farm with a balance over just dropping reward. Good to see. |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
487
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Posted - 2012.04.05 18:15:00 -
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Markus Reese wrote:one of the big things about incursions is the random fleet part that no other pve earning offers. It originally wasn't the isk, but the fact I can just join up with other people from other corps and enjoy with alot lower risk. That is the important part of incursions, hence the fix and not just nerf. Glad to see they are fixing the farm with a balance over just dropping reward. Good to see. Indeed, hopefully it will still be a viable profession for new players post nerf. Whilst not overshadowing all other means of making ISK, as it does currently.
I also hope they expand the gap in profit between high sec incursions and low sec. From what I've heard the increased hassle and time wasted due to hostiles renders low sec incursion running on the whole pointless. Or at best less profitable than high sec.
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