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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
420
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:31:00 -
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Yes folks you.
I originally answered the apology thread with this, but I think it really needs to be seen and said. There is now publicity all over the place about how vile the Eve Online community is, not The Mittani, the community itself.
-------------- Quote: This game's player base is the pit of the human cesspool.
Quote: Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings.
Quote: This is exact type of person EVE deserves as CSM chairman. No wonder CCP isn't going to ban him and also no wonder game doesn't progress anywhere - it's already perfect as arena for cyber-bullying sociopaths.
Quote: With each passing news story on Eve Online, I am LESS interested in trying the game.
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In your obsessive desire to see one man shamed and stripped of his voted place in the csm, and maybe because you were on the receiving end of some IN GAME stuff that happened, because in your impotent rage that the chairman you wanted didn't get votes, you have besmirched the whole of the community.
Guess what? No one is squeeky clean, if we look closely enough we see the cracks and the ugly truth beneath the veneer of humanity. You, yes YOU, every one of you reading this has thought or said or done things that someone somewhere thinks is abhorant and disgusting, most likely you have commited a crime of some size in your country.
What defines a community is whether it is quietly pointed out, dealt with and apologised for, or whether we allow our hatred to beat up the object of our hate, burn it and kick it to death and drag it though the streets shouting about it. If you were outraged at what happened, you could have petitioned ccp, or sent some sort of message privately. Some official channel could have been used. Instead you chose sensationalism, the chance to scream your utter horror that something bad was done.
Take a look at what you have all done here, are you proud? You shouldnt be, you should be ashamed of dragging your community around the streets with a burning tyre around its bloody neck, paraded for the rest of the gaming world to see and hate you for. Because it isnt now The Mittani they hate, it is this community, your community. Well done.
The Eve Online community looks like utter **** now, and I blame you. The people who chose to publicly shame our entire community with your behaviour here. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Magnus Orin
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:33:00 -
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Bullshit.
Any publicity is good publicity.
I bet Eve will see a small subscription boost from this 'scandal'. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1367
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:34:00 -
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We say the same thing about the WoW community...they say the same thing about us. Doesn't really mean anything. Frankly what I see on the EvE-O forums on a daily basis is nothing compared to what I have seen on many other game forums. Go try looking at Biowares forums right now. It's insanity. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
baltec1
901
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:35:00 -
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Id bet all of those people would not have come here anyway simply because you can lose stuff. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
478
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:35:00 -
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I don't consider this a bad thing.
I consider this to be quality control.
We don't want the stupid ******* from WOW, with their Gearscore e-peen and their "what, people are MEAN? I'mma tellin' Mommy CCP on you!!11!!" bullshit.
In short, if they think these tidbits ("he mocked someone trying the suicide card for attention? That's HORRIBAD!!!") make us a cesspool, they wouldn't last 5 minutes in EVE and it's probably better for all concerned that they pre-**** off and save everyone the trouble.
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THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
86
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:36:00 -
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He's right, we are all fallen angels who have lost our wings. We must look to our savior and repent our wicked ways. I for wrong feel absolutely horrible and I feel all others should as well. For our crimes I will be holding a kool-aid luncheon in Grand Central around 4pm. We can discuss things after we drink. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Sponge Blib
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:36:00 -
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You're so wrong. The forum warriors are already convinced and those bashing the community are the same people bashing EVE in every media post.
There's not bad publicity. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
163
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:38:00 -
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Look for negative commentary about just about anything, especially anything that has a strong Internet presence, and you'll have no trouble finding it.
Moving on now... |
Fishmaskle
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:38:00 -
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For such a bad game, it sure wins MMO of the year, year after year. Hmm. If I helped you out, Technical Issue,-áenemy gank, popped your poor fit,-áhit the "Like" button. |
Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:38:00 -
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You're part of the community as well OP.
So, shouldn't it be, "We, the community are now..." or are you better than the rest of the community? |
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
174
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:39:00 -
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Eve has a "bad" reputation. It always has, always will. That's not been a problem with sustainable growth so far.
Re Mittani drama - he got hammered and came out with crap. Won't be the first or last time that happens.
CCP want to let seriously drunk people on stage and then put the video online then that's their business. Seems pretty damn stupid to me but CCP have done "damn stupid" a lot of times.
Storm in a teacup in the overall scheme of things |
Saint Lazarus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
195
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:40:00 -
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I dont follow your logic, if anything, asking him to step down is the redemption. Proof that alot of people are ashamed of HIS behaviour and how we dont condone it.
Sweeping it under the rug is proof we're the vile scum people think we are.
But whatever, look at some interviews/videos of Fanfest and see how "evil" the community is. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
447
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:41:00 -
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Magnus Orin wrote:Bullshit.
Any publicity is good publicity.
I bet Eve will see a small subscription boost from this 'scandal'.
It depends on how CCP handles it. It'll be good PR when they ban Mittens from the game, not that I think he deserves it, I don't. But anything less on the world stage would not be adequate.
Although I will say, that such bullying just should not be supported, excused or what not. Depression is a hard thing. Been there, done that. Being goaded about it doesn't help the victim. Then again, most people don't realize the seriousness but, some can learn.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
424
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:41:00 -
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I think you have largely missed the point here. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
157
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:42:00 -
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This isn't true, these guys are NOT representative of all of EVE. AND THAT IS WHY HE SHOULD STEP DOWN.
What'd CCP's stats say? 66% of people are in empire. Most of them are having FUN with other peers doing whatever it is they happen to like.
These 0.0 dudes are the worst of the worst kinds of egomaniacal sociopaths.
As we have seen.
I really wish we'd get some better representation by people that REALLY matter. Not just another con job by people whose sole purpose here is to keep up the illusion that they are decent human beings.
My EVE YouTube Channel |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
479
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:43:00 -
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Saint Lazarus wrote:I dont follow your logic, if anything, asking him to step down is the redemption. Proof that alot of people are ashamed of HIS behaviour and how we dont condone it.
Sweeping it under the rug is proof we're the vile scum people think we are.
But whatever, look at some interviews/videos of Fanfest and see how "evil" the community is.
10,000 votes suggest the community isn't ashamed of his behavior at all and wish him to continue.
You mad, bro? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5814
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:44:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:I think you have largely missed the point here. People should stop hating on ze Mittens? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Catho Sharn
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
25
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:45:00 -
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Quotes without sources are useless. Sure someone might have said that stuff, perhaps the OP?
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:45:00 -
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This post ISN'T about Th emIttani, or what he has done. This thread is about the fact that by dragging it through public territory you have made the community look teh bad guy. And yes, I am part of the community.
If my neighbour comes to my house and threatens to kill my wife, I dont run through the streets with banners yelling he should be removed, I go to the authorities who can remove him and tell them. Running through my community screaming there is a murderer living here simply makes the community look bad, and possibly me locked up. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Kallynda Nai
Tightpants Inc
9
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:46:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Go try looking at Biowares forums right now. It's insanity.
You couldn't pay me to post there. And I'm a terrible poster. |
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Grumpy Owly
430
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:46:00 -
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Xython wrote:Saint Lazarus wrote:I dont follow your logic, if anything, asking him to step down is the redemption. Proof that alot of people are ashamed of HIS behaviour and how we dont condone it.
Sweeping it under the rug is proof we're the vile scum people think we are.
But whatever, look at some interviews/videos of Fanfest and see how "evil" the community is. 10,000 votes suggest the community isn't ashamed of his behavior at all and wish him to continue. You mad, bro?
Which is less than 3% by equivalent representation of the EvE community. So it in no way shows a majority view, far from it.
Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Kievan Arakyd
MarSec Industries STR8NGE BREW
7
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:47:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Yes folks you.
I originally answered the apology thread with this, but I think it really needs to be seen and said. There is now publicity all over the place about how vile the Eve Online community is, not The Mittani, the community itself.
-------------- Quote: This game's player base is the pit of the human cesspool.
Quote: Not that I'm surprised. Spreadsheets Online: Sociopaths in Space. It's a moral vaccum, basically 4chan with space-ships. Its primary purpose should be to tie up all the detritus of MMO-playing Internet into one condensed wasteland, the hell away from the games played by decent human beings.
Quote: This is exact type of person EVE deserves as CSM chairman. No wonder CCP isn't going to ban him and also no wonder game doesn't progress anywhere - it's already perfect as arena for cyber-bullying sociopaths.
Quote: With each passing news story on Eve Online, I am LESS interested in trying the game.
---------------
In your obsessive desire to see one man shamed and stripped of his voted place in the csm, and maybe because you were on the receiving end of some IN GAME stuff that happened, because in your impotent rage that the chairman you wanted didn't get votes, you have besmirched the whole of the community.
Guess what? No one is squeeky clean, if we look closely enough we see the cracks and the ugly truth beneath the veneer of humanity. You, yes YOU, every one of you reading this has thought or said or done things that someone somewhere thinks is abhorant and disgusting, most likely you have commited a crime of some size in your country.
What defines a community is whether it is quietly pointed out, dealt with and apologised for, or whether we allow our hatred to beat up the object of our hate, burn it and kick it to death and drag it though the streets shouting about it. If you were outraged at what happened, you could have petitioned ccp, or sent some sort of message privately. Some official channel could have been used. Instead you chose sensationalism, the chance to scream your utter horror that something bad was done.
Take a look at what you have all done here, are you proud? You shouldnt be, you should be ashamed of dragging your community around the streets with a burning tyre around its bloody neck, paraded for the rest of the gaming world to see and hate you for. Because it isnt now The Mittani they hate, it is this community, your community. Well done.
The Eve Online community looks like utter **** now, and I blame you. The people who chose to publicly shame our entire community with your behaviour here.
Bullshit. Mittens is the only one to blame here. As head of CSM he is one of the most public figures for the fan base. Even if no one had said anything on here, comments on sites streaming the feed from fanfest mentioned how disgusted they were with his actions. Once he said it is was out there for the entire world to view.
The view that the gaming community in general of EVE has always been a bit negative, and this just reinforces it.
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Az'Kagoth
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
38
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:47:00 -
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MY CEO!
And he's right! Don't believe it? Then come and blow up our space ships if you can! |
Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:47:00 -
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Ah love. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
266
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:50:00 -
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Before I say anything, I just want to point out that what Alex "The Mittani" did that day was wrong and unjust. Thankfully he apologized and the griefed miner in question is feeling better considering that some* of this happened outside the context of the game. Now that such drama is coming to a close, let's set that aside for now and focus on other things.
First off, we don't want to become like them. By "them" I mean WoW, Hello Kitty Online, Runescape, etc. where people have entitlement issues and think they should be 100% safe anywhere all the time. If they want to criticize us for being bastards in this game because we gank miners all year long every year no matter who they are, scam visitors in Jita with a fake Navy Issue Ibis, steal billions of ISK from corporations and alliances, corner the ice market, and shoot at monuments like a boss, etc. then let them criticize us. It's who we are as characters around here as we are all playing within the context of the game. After all, Eve Online's lore is all about being in a harsh universe.
We are what all the other MMOs refuse to accept in terms what kind of characters we are: bastards. Eve Online is our home. If we are seen as trolls, then so be it. But this is our home, not theirs. At least we're not telling them how to change their game or live it.
EDIT: * changed "all" to "some" as it didn't sound right. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Bane Necran
170
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:50:00 -
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Xython wrote:We don't want the stupid ******* from WOW, with their Gearscore e-peen and their "what, people are MEAN? I'mma tellin' Mommy CCP on you!!11!!" bullshit
Isn't Elitist Jerks, the big srs WoW site that never shuts up about gearscore, and is rife with condescending epeen freaks, run by other goons? |
Piatora
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
117
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:52:00 -
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I think everyone one of us has done something similar at some point in our gaming career.
Someone: "This game sucks so bad, Im gonna quit forever!!" You: "Do it then faggettt!!! Gief me all your stuffs too!!" Someone else: "Don't gank me plz, I am new and poor!" You: "HAHAHA EVE IS TOUCH ***** BACK TO WOW!!" Another guy: "I hate my life, my dog died, and I lost my job" You: "I banged your wife while asking your boss to kill your dog and fire you, life is tough, HTFU"
I'm not for or against Mittens in this, just saying this is not the first time this has been done. Yes this is the first time it has been done publicly by someone drunk. All the people who hate Goons so passionatly that they **** up the forums every chance they get with another reason why their thinly veiled hate should be enforced is getting pathetic. Maybe the focus shouldn't be on Mittens but the people who are so wholly obsessed with Mittens, Goons, Test, -A-, xDeath, etc. etc. that they SHOULD seek professional help getting over their obsession.
It is really sad that we tout having the best community of players but stuff like this happens on BOTH sides. How come we all get a laugh at someone playing the suicide pity card? How come someone mocking the obvious and pathetic pity attempt gets such an outpour of hatred? Jesus guys, 5 months ago we were on the precipice of all quitting over the percieved threat of microtransactions making our game Pay-To-Win and the threadnaught didnt get to 100 pages for a few days. 3 "media" outlets got tipped, probably by rabidly obsessed haters, and now all the sudden we are doomed? Grow up or GTFO, WoW is that way, can I have your stuffs, pics or it didnt happen, U mad bro?, etc etc. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
426
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:54:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Xython wrote:We don't want the stupid ******* from WOW, with their Gearscore e-peen and their "what, people are MEAN? I'mma tellin' Mommy CCP on you!!11!!" bullshit Isn't Elitist Jerks, the big srs WoW site that never shuts up about gearscore, and is rife with condescending epeen freaks, run by other goons?
You see, this is the problem, this thread isnt about goons or mittani's it is about us. And yet, here it comes around again, still shatpoasting about goons because, because what? Why does every thread become a place to say how bad goons are for everything?
Its obsessions and hatred of goons that has brought this about, not because of what was done. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Bane Necran
170
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:56:00 -
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Piatora wrote:I think everyone one of us has done something similar at some point in our gaming career.
Nope.avi |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
267
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:57:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Xython wrote:We don't want the stupid ******* from WOW, with their Gearscore e-peen and their "what, people are MEAN? I'mma tellin' Mommy CCP on you!!11!!" bullshit Isn't Elitist Jerks, the big srs WoW site that never shuts up about gearscore, and is rife with condescending epeen freaks, run by other goons? You see, this is the problem, this thread isnt about goons or mittani's it is about us. And yet, here it comes around again, still shatpoasting about goons because, because what? Why does every thread become a place to say how bad goons are for everything? Its obsessions and hatred of goons that has brought this about, not because of what was done.
EDIT:
Goons will be goons. But of course, you are right about some things going too far. If it's just that why all the other MMOs are complaining about, then it's just a simple case of encouraging proper etiquette. Other than that, if the complaint from MMOs are game-style related like scams and theft, they should GTFO. Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
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