Originally by: Asuka SoryuLangley

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The eve universe used to be risky, huge, adventurous and fascinating.
Then patch after patch it become what we got now......
Sadness......

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Originally by: Gort

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Too predictable.

Too boring.

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Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii

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Before making new space, try to make use of lowsec and 0.0

I can go 50 jumps through lowsec and 0.0 and maybe see two or three macro ratters.

Hardly any of the current universe is used.

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Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii

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Before making new space, try to make use of lowsec and 0.0

I can go 50 jumps through lowsec and 0.0 and maybe see two or three macro ratters.

Hardly any of the current universe is used.

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Originally by: Pesky LaRue

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Originally by: Odhinn Vinlandii

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Before making new space, try to make use of lowsec and 0.0

I can go 50 jumps through lowsec and 0.0 and maybe see two or three macro ratters.

Hardly any of the current universe is used.

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totally agree with you about lowsec, but CCP need to add incentives - right now it's riskier than 0.0 with very little commensurate reward - give people a reason to go there, right now there isn't any.

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Originally by: Gort

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Too predictable.

Too boring.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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Originally by: CCP Garthagk

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While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.

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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn

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Remove jump bridges and make all systems in 0.0 relatively equal in quality but add resources to each region which can only be gathered in that region. Those resources are then used to build certain things that either already exist or are added to the game as new items/ships/whatever.

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn

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Remove jump bridges and make all systems in 0.0 relatively equal in quality but add resources to each region which can only be gathered in that region. Those resources are then used to build certain things that either already exist or are added to the game as new items/ships/whatever.

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Those are two conflicting ideas. People will continue to fight over nullsec as long as there is any difference between the regions. It doesn't matter if the unique things are equal in quality.

Personally I think there should be even more differences. For instance, isolated systems within certain nullsec regions that provide materials even more valuable than dyspro and promethium.

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Originally by: Synapse Archae

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I have two responses. One is YES. This guy is on to something real.


The second is "I want more LIFE. *****er." 100k to the first person who names my favorite movie.

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Originally by: Clair Bear

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And that, ^--- up there, sums up why I don't like haiku.

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Originally by: Leviathan9

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Originally by: Clair Bear

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And that, ^--- up there, sums up why I don't like haiku.

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Its not a Haiku.

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Originally by: Gort

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Much larger.

Off the map.

Where fleets go and never return.

With gates that can only be found by exploring.

Where gates can't be mapped because their nature is to be transient.

Where there is mystery.

Where there is adventure.

Where there are rewards to match the risks.

The present universe is:

Too small.

Too routine.

Too predictable.

Too boring.

Too much like a, um, computer game.

That's my brief.

G

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Originally by: Tarminic

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Because even when EVE sucks, it sucks less than every other MMO out there.

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Originally by: Gort

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Much larger.

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Originally by: Julius Rigel

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Originally by: Gort

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Much larger.

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Screenshots of your "visited systems" map completely filled before you make silly requests about stuff you don't fully grasp.

Once you've visited all the systems in the game, then, and only then can you claim that the universe is too small.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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Because even when EVE sucks, it sucks less than every other MMO out there.

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Quote:

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Where there is mystery.

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Originally by: sg3s

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Once you've visited all the systems in the game, then, and only then can you claim that the universe is too small.

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Originally by: Avernus

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One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you.

Originally by: CCP Mitnal

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You put a bear in your tea???

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Originally by: Julius Rigel

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Originally by: Gort

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Much larger.

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Screenshots of your "visited systems" map completely filled before you make silly requests about stuff you don't fully grasp.

Once you've visited all the systems in the game, then, and only then can you claim that the universe is too small.

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Originally by: Gort

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Much larger.

Off the map.

Where fleets go and never return.

With gates that can only be found by exploring.

Where gates can't be mapped because their nature is to be transient.

Where there is mystery.

Where there is adventure.

Where there are rewards to match the risks.

The present universe is:

Too small.

Too routine.

Too predictable.

Too boring.

Too much like a, um, computer game.

That's my brief.

G

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Originally by: Gort

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Much larger.

Off the map.

Where fleets go and never return.

With gates that can only be found by exploring.

Where gates can't be mapped because their nature is to be transient.

Where there is mystery.

Where there is adventure.

Where there are rewards to match the risks.

The present universe is:

Too small.

Too routine.

Too predictable.

Too boring.

Too much like a, um, computer game.

That's my brief.

G

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Agree with the OP

It's like what the zeropunctuation said about Eve.

In that CCP had somehow managed to make outer space very bland predictable, boring and otherwise dull as everywhere is known/explorered, everywhere is full of asshats who's only chosen career path out of dozens is to look for and blow your ship up as it's the most interesting thing to possibly do, and most of the systems are near exactly the same.

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Originally by: Tiberius Maddox

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Agree with the OP

It's like what the zeropunctuation said about Eve.

In that CCP had somehow managed to make outer space very bland predictable, boring and otherwise dull as everywhere is known/explorered, everywhere is full of asshats who's only chosen career path out of dozens is to look for and blow your ship up as it's the most interesting thing to possibly do, and most of the systems are near exactly the same.

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You're exactly correct.

Why on earth anyone would possibly argue against adding more systems and making the EVE universe a more mysterious/interesting place is completely beyond me.

I guess some people are easily amused and are satisfied to sit in a small room ganking noobs and talking smack in local. If you're one of these people, please feel free to sit right where you are and fight over the same old rocks. A lot of the rest of us, however, would like to conquer, explore and participate in a grand space opera.

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Originally by: Gort

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Lo Port, Ethan, and other old friends now moved on.

I'm not saying Eve isn't enough for many people as it stands. It is, verily, the best of breed when it comes to MMORPGs.

What I am saying is that it lacks a certain mystery that space inevitably holds. (That's why space, in the grander sense, is commonly called "outer space.") There's a lack of lyrical "out there-ness" for some of us. A lack of "otherness"; romance in the classic E. E. Smith, H. Rider Haggard, Edgar Rice Burroughs sense.

The map may have been big in 2003, and moving out from the core was certainly a more dramatic event then. But the map is much smaller now. Also, space is simply much more known. And known to be largely identical and static.

I want more for those whose nature is to explore and exploit the unknown. To go where no other has gone before. To go to places that which will remain vague, doubtful, transient, challenging, always dangerous, potentially (and sometimes extraordinarily) rewarding.

I'm not looking for talk about bandwidth, instancing, and other mundane stuff like that. The Devs are quite on top of that. I'm talking vision here, not implementation details.

Give an old-timer a break here. I'll go back to mumbling in my rocker now.

G

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Originally by: Zifflesngts Ker

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When jumping into a system, if you have been to the system before, you should be able to setup jump sites that allow you to jump to any point in the system as long its a good distance from any potential hazard(say 900k from any planet, belt, moon, station, etc). Leaving a system would still require exit via a gate. Local Chat should be changed so that you do not show up in a system unless you say something. These two changes alone would completely change the nature of the game. But they will never happen. Folks love their gate camps too much.

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Originally by: Winterblink

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Oooo... poetic posting style!

I like the map now
Planets are unused right now
Let us pew-pew them

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Originally by: Tiberius Maddox

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Agree with the OP

It's like what the zeropunctuation said about Eve.

In that CCP had somehow managed to make outer space very bland predictable, boring and otherwise dull as everywhere is known/explorered, everywhere is full of asshats who's only chosen career path out of dozens is to look for and blow your ship up as it's the most interesting thing to possibly do, and most of the systems are near exactly the same.

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You're exactly correct.

Why on earth anyone would possibly argue against adding more systems and making the EVE universe a more mysterious/interesting place is completely beyond me.

I guess some people are easily amused and are satisfied to sit in a small room ganking noobs and talking smack in local. If you're one of these people, please feel free to sit right where you are and fight over the same old rocks. A lot of the rest of us, however, would like to conquer, explore and participate in a grand space opera.

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Originally by: Gort

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Much larger.

Off the map.

Where fleets go and never return.

With gates that can only be found by exploring.

Where gates can't be mapped because their nature is to be transient.

Where there is mystery.

Where there is adventure.

Where there are rewards to match the risks.

The present universe is:

Too small.

Too routine.

Too predictable.

Too boring.

Too much like a, um, computer game.

That's my brief.

G

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Originally by: 5pinDizzy

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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 20/09/2008 22:38:12
Well space is INCREDIBLY boring in eve.

There's no

- Binary star systems.

- Red giants or white dwarfs.

- Stars of a different colour.

- Proper nebulae and visible gas onscreen, just the same randominised splattered colour cloud background.

- No exploring planetary rings.

- No coasting along the upper atmosphere or a volatile planet.

- No black holes

- No giant mysterious space megalith wreckage.

- No ship graveyards.

- No weird space borne organic organisms.

- No passing meteor showers

- No real interesting structures of any kind to visit or hang out at outside missions like in sci fi's. Just POS's that shoot at you or get blown up by your enemy. Or the main stations which are all the same really. E.G for interesting buildings... Science labs, apartments, casinoes, bars with ship size limits most likely.

- No space map continuity really, just randomish. It would've been nice to have say if the main eve empire is in a nebula then you get the colourful clouds and stuff there, but when you go out into nullsec you go into more actual black space and you can see the nebula trailing behind on the sky map in line with the angle of direction you travelled on the starmap.

- No humerous slogans, logos or novelties on business vessels like haulers. Just the same basic ship.

I've got hundreds of these but you get the point.

Ok maybe EvE has a lot of things, but one thing it hasn't got is any soul.

If Eve was a human, it'd be a more robotic more dreary version of bill gates with a book of hard sums under one arm.

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Originally by: Sergeant Spot

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I like the idea of more space.

I like the idea of more space with some different mechanics for exploring them and flying about.

So......

How about this:

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Originally by: CCP Garthagk

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While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.

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Originally by: Suboran

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I like the idea of more space, currently the eve map is 2d (in a way) empire in the middle then a ring of low sec and then 0.0. why not make it more spherical and 3d by adding more 0.0 on the top and the bottom lowsec in between.

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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo

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Originally by: sg3s

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Once you've visited all the systems in the game, then, and only then can you claim that the universe is too small.

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Wrong, the universe is small when a trip from the outmost south to Jita only takes 20 minutes in a slightly pimped out covert ops.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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Because even when EVE sucks, it sucks less than every other MMO out there.

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Originally by: Yeahness

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Adventure and Mystery

Are all conjured from the mind

I'm sorry you're so dull

Satisfaction you won't find

If you want to make yourself useful

Critical analysis and thoughtful suggestions

But all you spew are vague requests

You look thoughtless and ungrateful

Requests are a dime a dozen so get with the rest

Thank you for playing Eve

Can I have your stuff

Y

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Originally by: GateScout

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Originally by: Gort

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Too predictable.

Too boring.

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+1 Right on.

We need more space....unknown space...something to go out and discover.

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Originally by: Manos Malos

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Edited by: Manos Malos on 25/09/2008 16:20:20
Just add 3 or 4 more regions but don't put them on the map, and don't release any information about them. Don't even let people know they've been added. Just stick an extra gate in a couple of random systems that lead in.

Edit - And make the gates found by exploration only.

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Originally by: Gort

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Much larger.

Off the map.

Where fleets go and never return.

With gates that can only be found by exploring.

Where gates can't be mapped because their nature is to be transient.

Where there is mystery.

Where there is adventure.

Where there are rewards to match the risks.

The present universe is:

Too small.

Too routine.

Too predictable.

Too boring.

Too much like a, um, computer game.

That's my brief.

G

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Originally by: Tychus

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With respect to the OP...

We don't need more game space, what we need is more to do with what we have. Systems are friggin' empty for the most part. A few stations, a jump gate or two, and a few celestial bodies and rocks. Wheres the wierd stuff just waiting to be found? Or how about chasing a comet in a inty with a gas harvester? Or discovering pieces of ancient ruins? Im not asking for stuff to give my toon more power or ships, just make it pssible to find more of eve's backstory through exploration. Make hundreds of different exploration sites the basicly drop 1 sentance of the story of the Terran Alliances initial ventures into the eve gate. Or the stories of the 4 known ancient races. Then let the players sort out the stories for themselves. Or even better, let all the puzzle pieces fit together, whether its right or wrong, and different regions could have completeing structures. The the roleplayers could fight amoung themselves over interpretation. And CCP could use it to introduce Jove/Terrans/whatever. Just some thoughts...

T

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