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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:37:00 -
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David Carel wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:David Carel wrote:Where exactly do I have "double standards"? You're in the CFC. That's all they need. Yea, arguing with people like him is pointless. Silly me, still having hopes :smith: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
So is clicking on Jita Park forums. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
315
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:37:00 -
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For clarification, the two distinctly separate parts of this post:
Part A - In which The Mittani references the real reason he's stepping down, namely him getting drunk and urging thousands of people on live feed to find and encourage someone to commit suicide.
The Mittani wrote:Though I have received many letters of support (my inbox is full of these, and for them I thank you) and the major bloggers have called for me to remain on as Chair, there are still some who doubt the sincerity of my apology to the player concerned, who - unlike those attempting to make hay from my mistake - is the person that matters here. I said that I would resign; to demonstrate the sincerity of my words and my apology, I will do just that.
,,,and Part B - In which he fabricates a brand new reason to step down, as if he was going to decline the chairmanship all along. No mention of the real reason from here down. Except the part where he implies that he was "just mak[ing] a ***** joke" at Fanfest, right at the end. Of course that's what all bullies say.
Quote:With the increasingly high profile of the CSM in the wake of the Incarna Emergency Summit and the amazing turnout we had for the CSM7 elections, I have come to the conclusion that my two roles in EVE - that of the Chairman of the CSM as Alexander Gianturco, and the leader of Goonswarm as "The Mittani" are increasingly incompatible. It is, fundamentally, a problem of hats. As the leader of Goonswarm I must be willing to make ruthless decisions and take actions that many players find objectionable - griefing, ganking, scamming, 'dishonorable' fleet tactics, espionage, metagaming, blowing up everyone who tries to mine Gallente Ice, sponsoring Hulkageddon, et cetera - whatever it takes to defend my people in this, the most exceedingly hostile galaxy to grace the internet. As Darius JOHNSON, the previous Goonswarm leader once said, "[Goonswarm] is not here to destroy /the/ game, but /your/ game. Yet as Chairman of the CSM and Alexander Gianturco, I need to put a good face on CCP's experimental player democracy and keep my nose clean. Inevitably, these two roles conflict with one another; when Goonswarm does what it does in EVE, this reflects on the CSM as a whole, purely due to my position as both Chairman and alliance leader. If I abandon the brutalist tactics of an alliance leader in hopes of keeping the CSM's image pristine, I hamstring my people ingame and do a disservice to the line members who rely on me. In addition, the enemies of Goonswarm assault the CSM and CCP itself unfairly due to the in-game actions of our alliance. After the successful restructuring of CCP, I am convinced that most of the hard work of the CSM is already done - CCP is now focusing on spaceships instead of avatars, and the success of CSM6 has led to a solid and competent crop of player representatives in CSM7 with a much greater turnout, demonstrating ever-more faith and trust from the playerbase in the concept of the CSM. This changes things for the CSM, as well as the Chairman title During Goonswarm's highly successful Gallente Ice Interdiction there were calls for my resignation as Chairman; those calls increased when Goonswarm began to use false supercap sales as a method of closing the gap between us and our in-game enemies' supercap fleets. We are now planning an attempt to destroy Jita itself. All of these actions are entirely legitimate within the brutal world of EVE, yet, in the coming months, if I continue to hold the title of Chairman, CCP will be enduring one PR nightmare after another as Goonswarm's in-game actions unfairly reflect back upon the CSM as a whole through the Chairman title. It is increasingly important that the Chair be a GÇÿgood citizenGÇÖ in the game itself - and I cannot be a good citizen and simultaneously lead my alliance of magnificent bastards. With CSM7's term beginning on April 4th, I now exercise my right as the winner of the election with 10,058 votes to decline the office of Chairman. It will then be up to CSM7 as a group to decide how to proceed regarding the Chair. As a member of the CSM without a title, what I do as the leader of Goonswarm will no longer unfairly reflect on the CSM as a whole - leaving me and my people free to do as we please without needing to consider corporate, political, or media ramifications every time we make a **** joke, offend someone, or sell a supercap made of vapor.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
99
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:38:00 -
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Darius III wrote:47Magnum wrote:Darius III wrote:so that we can begin the healing process . I couldn't keep reading past this. 10/10 I'm done with the internet for today. At last someone who understands me
Gah, nobody understands (or likes) you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:38:00 -
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David Carel wrote:Darius III wrote:47Magnum wrote:Darius III wrote:so that we can begin the healing process . I couldn't keep reading past this. 10/10 I'm done with the internet for today. At last someone who understands me :cripesduck: I'd rather not understand him actually.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
548
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:38:00 -
[275] - Quote
SeaBassSA wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Not good enough. Tough *******.
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Machine Delta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:38:00 -
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Darius III wrote:This is a cynical half hearted gesture that rings very hollow. You have brought disgrace on the CSM, CCP and the Eve community in general. While I suppose it is "better than nothing" it does not undo the damage you have caused us all. Stepping down entirely is the only way to remove the stain of your poor judgement.
I ask you to look beyond your power mad aspirations and do the right thing for us all: Step down from the CSM so that we can begin the healing process and get some closure. Mainstream gaming media will adore you for it and the players will rejoice. Merely abdicating the Chair is a token gesture that will be viewed with cynicism not from just your detractors, but by everyone who is familiar with who your really are. I am outraged that you think this does anything to address the severity of what you have done to us all.
Instead of this token gesture, if in fact this what you think will atone for what you have done-do something meaningful and quit the the Council completely so that the CSM may once again enjoy the respect of the player base. I urge you to take into account the bigger picture and for once-do the right thing. Your full resignation is the one and only this that will set this right.
Soon in this thread you will see many goonies posting like mad, suggesting there was an NDA breach in CSM6, which of course CCP denied, dont let them turn this into something about ME this is about how Mittani's apology was not sincere, about how he cares nothing for the overall health of Eve, and just shows how empty his apology is.
In B4 1,000 goon alts post support and make laughable accusations about something NDA something that was shown to be untrue and denied by Dev post.
PS This is but a minor defeat for Mittani, but the goonies are going to howl all night. Like music to my ears.
I like to judge a man by his actions. Let's take a look at Mittani.
He's popular and famous (infamous) and has worked hard to make the CSM carry more weight than it used to. The CSM's that he has been on have lead to positive progress for the game.
He made a public statement that was very much out of line and then apologized for it publicly and privately. After that, despite getting a >50% mandate in a jungle primary decided to step down as the chair in order to help the CSM and CCP save face. Weighing his actions not his words, we can deduce that he made a mistake and has made amends.
Now, let's take a look at Darius III.
Elected to CSM6, leaked material protected by NDA to a news source run by someone of questionable mental condition. Implemented a spam campaign in game to garner votes, also implicated in a pay for vote scandal. Annihilated in the next election, failed to retain spot. Now sits on forums with pre-written statements to antagonize his political opponents.
If we judge by actions you're basically a complete failure in more or less every sense of life that can be reflected in this video game. What have you done besides make bad posts and be a bitter forum troll? What will you do now that your free ride is over?
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:38:00 -
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Prepare for threadnaught number 3! |
Andrea Griffin
204
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:38:00 -
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Darius III wrote:TL:DR I am not sorry at all, look how great Goonies are, business as usual. So much for the sincerity of the apology.
~deal with it~ While the goonswarm forum spamming is pretty atrocious (but not unexpected), the members of the CSM really should have a united front on the issue. Get together, come to a mutually agreeable resolution / statement, and stick to it. Other CSM members expressed displeasure with Mittani's situation with far more class than this.
Otherwise you just end up looking like bickering brats. If you don't put this issue behind you then you, and the CSM as a whole, will be far less effective.
At least you said what you wanted, you own it, and you're not sorry about it. That's more respectable than using weasel words to back out and shift blame. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:38:00 -
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Xython wrote: What's really funny is since hte CSM (sans DArius, but who cares about Darius) don't really agree with Mittani refusing the chair, welp, he's still effectively the chair. It's all about respect, you see.
Not realy about respect.
More about the ability to motivate & activate people ;).
If you are the leader of a wtf6000+ man ally with wtfMORE blues (mostly TEST guys) you just have the background to bring more voices then anyone else. Don't know but I bet you guys use a voice chat or normal chat or mailing list .. one call from your leader and this forum explode ;).
Do you need to respect him for this? Not realy. But you are GOON and so I'm sure you guys have a lot of fun atm trolling+spamming here :). Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Lenrir Andven
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:38:00 -
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Darius III wrote:47Magnum wrote:Darius III wrote:so that we can begin the healing process . I couldn't keep reading past this. 10/10 I'm done with the internet for today. At last someone who understands me
Hold on, so you wished for half your post to be ignored?
I make sure to work further on your wishes and ignore the whole lot. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:39:00 -
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Sindel Pellion wrote:Radax Glenn wrote:BS.
CCP: Ban Mittens. You know it's the right thing to do. Says the guy who doesn't even comment with his main. The ~evil~ ~goonies~ will get him ~~~ scaryy~~~
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3713
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:39:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:words
Please restrict your bleating to General Discussion - this is not the place for it. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sindel Pellion
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:39:00 -
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Gordon Fell wrote:Darius III wrote:Instead of this token gesture, if in fact this what you think will atone for what you have done-do something meaningful and quit the the Council completely so that the CSM may once again enjoy the respect of the player base. I urge you to take into account the bigger picture and for once-do the right thing. Your full resignation is the one and only this that will set this right.. Darius being a nutless ********.
FTFY
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Ice Fist
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
99
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:39:00 -
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Bout time you showed up Princess.
I was starting to feel lonely without your pseud-internet legal garbage in here. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:39:00 -
[285] - Quote
Lenrir Andven wrote:Darius III wrote:47Magnum wrote:Darius III wrote:so that we can begin the healing process . I couldn't keep reading past this. 10/10 I'm done with the internet for today. At last someone who understands me Hold on, so you wished for half your post to be ignored? I make sure to work further on your wishes and ignore the whole lot. I've been doing that already.
D3, ignored poster of my heart~
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1211
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:39:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:lol darius this is primo stuff
he best part is "healing process begin" CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
41
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:39:00 -
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Radax Glenn wrote:BS.
CCP: Ban Mittens. You know it's the right thing to do. But BUt....I'll kill myself if he's banned. I've been so depressed since my favorite dog FC killed a bus. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
88
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:40:00 -
[288] - Quote
Gordon Fell wrote:Darius III wrote:Instead of this token gesture, if in fact this what you think will atone for what you have done-do something meaningful and quit the the Council completely so that the CSM may once again enjoy the respect of the player base. I urge you to take into account the bigger picture and for once-do the right thing. Your full resignation is the one and only this that will set this right.. Pot calling the kettle black.
Don't you mean "Pot calling the kettle stupid"? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:40:00 -
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Ice Fist wrote:Bout time you showed up Princess.
I was starting to feel lonely without your pseud-internet legal garbage in here. It's the internet, there's tons of that stuff flying around everywhere. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
XxTheKmanxX
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:40:00 -
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Darius III wrote:This is a cynical half hearted gesture that rings very hollow. You have brought disgrace on the CSM, CCP and the Eve community in general. While I suppose it is "better than nothing" it does not undo the damage you have caused us all. Stepping down entirely is the only way to remove the stain of your poor judgement.
I ask you to look beyond your power mad aspirations and do the right thing for us all: Step down from the CSM so that we can begin the healing process and get some closure. Mainstream gaming media will adore you for it and the players will rejoice. Merely abdicating the Chair is a token gesture that will be viewed with cynicism not from just your detractors, but by everyone who is familiar with who your really are. I am outraged that you think this does anything to address the severity of what you have done to us all.
Instead of this token gesture, if in fact this what you think will atone for what you have done-do something meaningful and quit the the Council completely so that the CSM may once again enjoy the respect of the player base. I urge you to take into account the bigger picture and for once-do the right thing. Your full resignation is the one and only this that will set this right.
Soon in this thread you will see many goonies posting like mad, suggesting there was an NDA breach in CSM6, which of course CCP denied, dont let them turn this into something about ME this is about how Mittani's apology was not sincere, about how he cares nothing for the overall health of Eve, and just shows how empty his apology is.
In B4 1,000 goon alts post support and make laughable accusations about something NDA something that was shown to be untrue and denied by Dev post.
PS This is but a minor defeat for Mittani, but the goonies are going to howl all night. Like music to my ears.
Just stop posting you moron. Take your 1200 votes and cry to mommy ffs. THE MITTANI IS THE SPACE KING |
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:41:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:For clarification, the two distinctly separate parts of this post: Part A - In which The Mittani references the real reason he's stepping down, namely him getting drunk and urging thousands of people on live feed to find and encourage someone to commit suicide. The Mittani wrote:Though I have received many letters of support (my inbox is full of these, and for them I thank you) and the major bloggers have called for me to remain on as Chair, there are still some who doubt the sincerity of my apology to the player concerned, who - unlike those attempting to make hay from my mistake - is the person that matters here. I said that I would resign; to demonstrate the sincerity of my words and my apology, I will do just that. ,,,and Part B - In which he fabricates a brand new reason to step down, as if he was going to decline the chairmanship all along. No mention of the real reason from here down. Except the part where he implies that he was "just mak[ing] a ***** joke" at Fanfest, right at the end. Of course that's what all bullies say. Quote:With the increasingly high profile of the CSM in the wake of the Incarna Emergency Summit and the amazing turnout we had for the CSM7 elections, I have come to the conclusion that my two roles in EVE - that of the Chairman of the CSM as Alexander Gianturco, and the leader of Goonswarm as "The Mittani" are increasingly incompatible. It is, fundamentally, a problem of hats. As the leader of Goonswarm I must be willing to make ruthless decisions and take actions that many players find objectionable - griefing, ganking, scamming, 'dishonorable' fleet tactics, espionage, metagaming, blowing up everyone who tries to mine Gallente Ice, sponsoring Hulkageddon, et cetera - whatever it takes to defend my people in this, the most exceedingly hostile galaxy to grace the internet. As Darius JOHNSON, the previous Goonswarm leader once said, "[Goonswarm] is not here to destroy /the/ game, but /your/ game. Yet as Chairman of the CSM and Alexander Gianturco, I need to put a good face on CCP's experimental player democracy and keep my nose clean. Inevitably, these two roles conflict with one another; when Goonswarm does what it does in EVE, this reflects on the CSM as a whole, purely due to my position as both Chairman and alliance leader. If I abandon the brutalist tactics of an alliance leader in hopes of keeping the CSM's image pristine, I hamstring my people ingame and do a disservice to the line members who rely on me. In addition, the enemies of Goonswarm assault the CSM and CCP itself unfairly due to the in-game actions of our alliance. After the successful restructuring of CCP, I am convinced that most of the hard work of the CSM is already done - CCP is now focusing on spaceships instead of avatars, and the success of CSM6 has led to a solid and competent crop of player representatives in CSM7 with a much greater turnout, demonstrating ever-more faith and trust from the playerbase in the concept of the CSM. This changes things for the CSM, as well as the Chairman title During Goonswarm's highly successful Gallente Ice Interdiction there were calls for my resignation as Chairman; those calls increased when Goonswarm began to use false supercap sales as a method of closing the gap between us and our in-game enemies' supercap fleets. We are now planning an attempt to destroy Jita itself. All of these actions are entirely legitimate within the brutal world of EVE, yet, in the coming months, if I continue to hold the title of Chairman, CCP will be enduring one PR nightmare after another as Goonswarm's in-game actions unfairly reflect back upon the CSM as a whole through the Chairman title. It is increasingly important that the Chair be a GÇÿgood citizenGÇÖ in the game itself - and I cannot be a good citizen and simultaneously lead my alliance of magnificent bastards. With CSM7's term beginning on April 4th, I now exercise my right as the winner of the election with 10,058 votes to decline the office of Chairman. It will then be up to CSM7 as a group to decide how to proceed regarding the Chair. As a member of the CSM without a title, what I do as the leader of Goonswarm will no longer unfairly reflect on the CSM as a whole - leaving me and my people free to do as we please without needing to consider corporate, political, or media ramifications every time we make a **** joke, offend someone, or sell a supercap made of vapor.
i enjoy listening to what you have to say |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:41:00 -
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Townsend Harris wrote:Radax Glenn wrote:BS.
CCP: Ban Mittens. You know it's the right thing to do. But BUt....I'll kill myself if he's banned. I've been so depressed since my favorite dog FC killed a bus. Killed a BUS?
I need to hear about this.
Guys, hey, listen. Did you hear about the time a dog FC killed a bus? well-
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Amity Lane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:41:00 -
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Well, it's more than I expected.
The logic behind this concerns me a bit thought. It seems to come across like this:
- My actions are often inappropriate.
- Inappropriate actions by a CSM Chairperson are a bad thing.
- Therefore, I will step down as Chairman.
As opposed to:
- My actions are often inappropriate.
- Inappropriate actions by a CSM Chairperson are a bad thing.
- Therefore, I will stop acting inappropriately.
Reminds me of an old Jerry Seinfeld stand-up bit about helmets. Humankind was engaging in activities that were breaking their skulls open, and rather than stop doing those skull-breaking activities people invented the helmet instead.
Either way, it doesn't seem like this is really going to change anything. The pro-Mittani side will always be zealously supporting his position, and the anti-Mittani side will still be calling for his head. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
Personally, I'll be staying the hell away from Jita. |
Voull
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:41:00 -
[294] - Quote
This CSM already sucks. Mittani, just step down entirely instead of dragging us through a year of dysfunctional leadership |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
315
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:41:00 -
[295] - Quote
Ice Fist wrote:Bout time you showed up Princess.
I was starting to feel lonely without your pseud-internet legal garbage in here.
Unlike Alex, I think about what I'm going to say before saying it. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
548
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:41:00 -
[296] - Quote
Jojo Jackson wrote:If you are the leader of a wtf6000+ man ally with wtfMORE blues (mostly TEST guys) you just have the background to bring more voices then anyone else. Don't know but I bet you guys use a voice chat or normal chat or mailing list .. one call from your leader and this forum explode ;).
Well, I would point out that the Goonswarm Infrastructure is by far the most impressive in all of EVE, possibly the most impressive of all MMORPG player ran organizations (ALL HAIL SOLO DRAKBAN), but I feel you may be attempting to suggest that he won 10,000 votes by merely having all of goonswarm, well, swarm the voting process. Which is not true -- he won more votes than all of Goonswarm combined, and our vote was split between a few candidates.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
302
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:41:00 -
[297] - Quote
XxTheKmanxX wrote:Just stop posting you moron. Take your 1200 votes and cry to mommy ffs. THE MITTANI IS THE SPACE KING Hanging chads, all 10000 of his internet hanging chads!! Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Valearx
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:41:00 -
[298] - Quote
Princess Bride wrote:
:words:
Who are you? |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
548
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:42:00 -
[299] - Quote
Voull wrote:This CSM already sucks. Mittani, just step down entirely instead of dragging us through a year of dysfunctional leadership
Biomass yourself. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
139
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Posted - 2012.03.28 21:42:00 -
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Chairman in spirit of my heart~
Now watch as people don't stop bitching about it. That's how it should be though tbh. |
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