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Zxmagus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:51:00 -
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Dario Welling wrote:Even if it was a joke, theres absolutely no excuse and as i've already written, yeah Mittani did a lot for EVE when he was in CSM but thats no apologize for this kind of behavior.
There has never been an excuse made it's more a debate on how much flagellation is enough and frankly he does enough, hell he's done more then 99% of the people in this thread would have done. |
tengen san
Triton-TC
24
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Posted - 2012.03.29 07:56:00 -
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So what, he violated the EULA got sacked for thirty days, a slap at his wrist, people got banned for less. His resignation was his own decision, in lack of a real live occupation he decided for GF on the reasons stated by him. So what.
The first time I run into him I knew by an instant GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥ is only to be brought down by GÇ£The MittaniGÇ¥.
Impression appoved!
Get over it. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
81
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:07:00 -
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Zxmagus wrote:Dario Welling wrote:Even if it was a joke, theres absolutely no excuse and as i've already written, yeah Mittani did a lot for EVE when he was in CSM but thats no apologize for this kind of behavior. There has never been an excuse made it's more a debate on how much flagellation is enough and frankly he does enough, hell he's done more then 99% of the people in this thread would have done. That is just too easy a comment to make fun of. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
18
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:18:00 -
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o7 Mittani
Great job handling the situation I think.
CCP still needs to take responsibility for not properly moderating the panel as they should have been. its irresponsible for them to place all the blame on one person. |
Osiris Warp
Psykotic Meat BLACK-MARK
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:52:00 -
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Wukulo wrote:Who are you and why do you think your opinion matters? Mittani actually has a track record of pushing the CSM to do something other than being a lame duck and you're here going on about how you're ashamed of him and talking about hating goons? YOU and CSM seats like you are why I want Mittani in charge. You've made this about in-game politics and rivalries while he's talking from a personal stand point. He talked some trash and it happen to catch the public eye. I've seen things 1,000 times worse said in game the only difference is that there were no mic's around and no one cared. Everyone is totally ignoring the things that's done well. Goon or not. Darius III wrote:This is a cynical half hearted gesture that rings very hollow. You have brought disgrace on the CSM, CCP and the Eve community in general. While I suppose it is "better than nothing" it does not undo the damage you have caused us all. Stepping down entirely is the only way to remove the stain of your poor judgement.
I ask you to look beyond your power mad aspirations and do the right thing for us all: Step down from the CSM so that we can begin the healing process and get some closure. Mainstream gaming media will adore you for it and the players will rejoice. Merely abdicating the Chair is a token gesture that will be viewed with cynicism not from just your detractors, but by everyone who is familiar with who your really are. I am outraged that you think this does anything to address the severity of what you have done to us all.
Instead of this token gesture, if in fact this what you think will atone for what you have done-do something meaningful and quit the the Council completely so that the CSM may once again enjoy the respect of the player base. I urge you to take into account the bigger picture and for once-do the right thing. Your full resignation is the one and only this that will set this right.
Soon in this thread you will see many goonies posting like mad, suggesting there was an NDA breach in CSM6, which of course CCP denied, dont let them turn this into something about ME this is about how Mittani's apology was not sincere, about how he cares nothing for the overall health of Eve, and just shows how empty his apology is.
In B4 1,000 goon alts post support and make laughable accusations about something NDA something that was shown to be untrue and denied by Dev post.
PS This is but a minor defeat for Mittani, but the goonies are going to howl all night. Like music to my ears.
What this guy said. ^^ Darius is obviously just throwing fuel on the fire to try and further his own "political" career
there are about a million worse things said in EVE every day probably EVERY minute but no one cares cause it doesn't catch the public eye.
At the end of the day its a GAME!!!!! Mittani is not the CEO of some huge company like Microsoft or IBM ect... his a player of a video game (a very cool video game mind you but none the less a game) The fact that this is getting so blown out of proportion.
Everyone is angry at his actions and behavior...... HOW SHOULD HE BEHAVE? I dont know about you but every board meeting i've been to the CEO was not drinking booze at. You cant have it both ways guys. Don't go YAY FANFEST CCP ARE SO COOL, we are all super smashed having a great time then all of a sudden flip out when someone says something that goes a bit to far. What he said was in poor taste yes but he has apologized for it several times If something like this was said at an after party it would not be given a second though.
All it boils down too is other people wanting to make the most of his misfortune. I don't know The Mittani personally or even in game very well but even though he can be very smug he seems to make for a great leader and to be able to get things done. Im very disappointed he wont be chairman I hope that while not being chairman he is still able to continue making great changes in EVE as a regular member of the CSM. |
Gindack
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:56:00 -
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My CEO. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
82
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Posted - 2012.03.29 08:58:00 -
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Osiris Warp wrote:What this guy said. ^^ Darius is obviously just throwing fuel on the fire to try and further his own "political" career Like any good politician he is distancing him self (And getting Political points)
Osiris Warp wrote: Im very disappointed he wont be chairman I hope that while not being chairman he is still able to continue making great changes in EVE as a regular member of the CSM.
He isn't chairman of CSM 6 anymore which ends in 6 days and he isn't on CSM 7 at all. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Osiris Warp
Psykotic Meat BLACK-MARK
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:00:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Osiris Warp wrote:What this guy said. ^^ Darius is obviously just throwing fuel on the fire to try and further his own "political" career Like any good politician he is distancing him self (And getting Political points) Osiris Warp wrote: Im very disappointed he wont be chairman I hope that while not being chairman he is still able to continue making great changes in EVE as a regular member of the CSM.
He isn't chairman of CSM 6 anymore which ends in 6 days and he isn't on CSM 7 at all.
Oh he isn't at all?? I thought he just wasn't going to be chairman :(
Welp there goes 10,000 votes guess those people just dont get a voice this year. Hopefully he can be again in the future. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
196
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:04:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote: You're implying that this wasn't our plan anyway. i've been stocking up ships and mods for weeks now.
So, VENGEANCE WILL BE YOURS! Except you were gonna do it anyway, so how does this get payback for how poor litttle Alex was mistreated by CCP again? *confused*
Your exceptional deductive skills never cease to amaze. Instead of celebrating the reelection of The Mittani to the CSM, we'll simply find something else to celebrate in Jita. Either way, the place will burn, and I'll enjoy ever moment of it. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
196
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:06:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Osiris Warp wrote:What this guy said. ^^ Darius is obviously just throwing fuel on the fire to try and further his own "political" career Like any good politician he is distancing him self (And getting Political points)
I'm not sure how you think words work, but I find it suspect that a person (particularly a "politician") would distance themselves by making themselves present at every possible moment to make sure that somebody knows what they think about the issue. |
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Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
82
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:13:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Osiris Warp wrote:What this guy said. ^^ Darius is obviously just throwing fuel on the fire to try and further his own "political" career Like any good politician he is distancing him self (And getting Political points) I'm not sure how you think words work, but I find it suspect that a person (particularly a "politician") would distance themselves by making themselves present at every possible moment to make sure that somebody knows what they think about the issue. What country do you live in? Every time there is a scandal in real life the politicians come out of the wood work to condemn the guy in the middle of the scandal and put their picture on the TV to get themselves as many votes as possible next time. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
196
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:19:00 -
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Dario Welling wrote:Zxmagus wrote:Darius III wrote:This is a cynical half hearted gesture that rings very hollow. You have brought disgrace on the CSM, CCP and the Eve community in general. While I suppose it is "better than nothing" it does not undo the damage you have caused us all. Stepping down entirely is the only way to remove the stain of your poor judgement.
I ask you to look beyond your power mad aspirations and do the right thing for us all: Step down from the CSM so that we can begin the healing process and get some closure. Mainstream gaming media will adore you for it and the players will rejoice. Merely abdicating the Chair is a token gesture that will be viewed with cynicism not from just your detractors, but by everyone who is familiar with who your really are. I am outraged that you think this does anything to address the severity of what you have done to us all.
Instead of this token gesture, if in fact this what you think will atone for what you have done-do something meaningful and quit the the Council completely so that the CSM may once again enjoy the respect of the player base. I urge you to take into account the bigger picture and for once-do the right thing. Your full resignation is the one and only this that will set this right.
Soon in this thread you will see many goonies posting like mad, suggesting there was an NDA breach in CSM6, which of course CCP denied, dont let them turn this into something about ME this is about how Mittani's apology was not sincere, about how he cares nothing for the overall health of Eve, and just shows how empty his apology is.
In B4 1,000 goon alts post support and make laughable accusations about something NDA something that was shown to be untrue and denied by Dev post.
PS This is but a minor defeat for Mittani, but the goonies are going to howl all night. Like music to my ears. I'm going to enjoy burning your **** to the ground. Mittins has done a lot for this game and for CCP to toss him under a bus like that was unclassy they should at least talked to him about it before hand, shown him some respect like he did to them with monoclegate. are you that stupid? I mean, this was a PR-bomb, every other politican in his position would have declined his position and even though he has done a lot for EVE, does that apologize his behavior? No i don't think so. Every person earns a second chance but not in a position like this. What would you say if Mr.Obama would do that? He is a representive person, he represents the EVE community...
This was a "PR Bomb" set up by people with an agenda, sent to an audience with a very well known bias against Mittens. The whole drama was calculated and manufactured to take an event that was totally unheard about until the election results were announced. So, again, any sort of damage done to EVE was part of the "PR Bomb" created by those who considered smearing The Mittani (and Alex himself, going so far as to wish personal ruin on him outside of the game in their rabid hatred of the guy.) There are even those (whose hatred was so great and so great was their fear that the figurehead of all of their rancor might escape the whole false rage fiasco with only minor burns) decided it was worth going to any company even associated with CCP (those associated with the upcoming DUST for example) and throwing the future of the company itself onto the tracks in order to drum up even more outrage over an event that never warranted the attention it got in the first place.
It was/is wholesale artificial witch-hunt and apparently the law is strong in Salem these days. Its a shame that these people so excitedly braying for Mittens's head on a plate considered their own personal hatred over the the future of CCP and the game itself. Shame on all of the band wagoners who helped them to hype up their fiasco. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
196
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:20:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:David Cedarbridge wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Osiris Warp wrote:What this guy said. ^^ Darius is obviously just throwing fuel on the fire to try and further his own "political" career Like any good politician he is distancing him self (And getting Political points) I'm not sure how you think words work, but I find it suspect that a person (particularly a "politician") would distance themselves by making themselves present at every possible moment to make sure that somebody knows what they think about the issue. What country do you live in? Every time there is a scandal in real life the politicians come out of the wood work to condemn the guy in the middle of the scandal and put their picture on the TV to get themselves as many votes as possible next time.
"If you roll in the mud, you get dirty" |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
82
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:20:00 -
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You missed the bit about Mittens causing it all, you blame others but no one made him do what he did. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
82
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:22:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote: "If you roll in the mud, you get dirty"
Yes you do Politics is about perceptions. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
196
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:29:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:You missed the bit about Mittens causing it all, you blame others but no one made him do what he did.
Mittens provided a grain of sand that those who hated him so much managed to clench into the ugliest diamond they could manage. I find it suspect how nonchalant you are about the idea that people used the game you are playing as disposable ammunition in their crusade against a person they hated well in advance of Fan Fest. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:39:00 -
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Tthe logic of what mittens is saying is that he can never accept the Chair, as his role as Goon leader is not compatible with being the Chair of the CSM. |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
83
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:43:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Frying Doom wrote:You missed the bit about Mittens causing it all, you blame others but no one made him do what he did. Mittens provided a grain of sand that those who hated him so much managed to clench into the ugliest diamond they could manage. I find it suspect how nonchalant you are about the idea that people used the game you are playing as disposable ammunition in their crusade against a person they hated well in advance of Fan Fest. Actually I just think he kicked sand in so many peoples faces over the years that when he did something really stupid they made sure it was out there for all to see.
The only one to blame for what happened to Mittens is Mittens. You can say people blew it up and they did but if he had not done it in the first place, he wouldn't have thrown away so many votes and so much work. His actions have disgraced the CCM, CCP and even Goonswarm(as people will be throwing this in their faces for years). He has undone any good work he did do because that is not what will be remembered.
He is to blame for his own actions, no one else. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Prince Kobol
439
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:45:00 -
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I love watching Goons complaining that this is all political
What a lot of goon need to realise is that its not because we hate you that we do these things
Its because
WE LOVE YOU
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
63
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:48:00 -
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the meta-gamers have been out meta-gamed |
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
566
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Posted - 2012.03.29 09:54:00 -
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It would have been the best way forward I guess but you don't make those decisions. You can't expect to pick and choose the consequences of your actions.
In effect you have given CCP no choice in the matter of your removal since you had taken all other steps. This doesn't mean CCP wouldn't have done what it did. But they have to be in control of your punishment, not you, at least in the eyes of the media, players and partners. They are in control after all, especially in the business part of their spaceship business.
The media and attention that you nurtured came back to bite you, that is unfortunate but could have been avoided. Use it as one of the hard lessons of leadership you so often speak of and learn from it and run for CSM8.
But don't go looking in the shadows for others to blame for this, you did this and shaped the course of the debate. Really own your mistake and you'll get the respect that comes with that. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
153
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:00:00 -
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Yo dawg,I put a meta game in your meta game... so you can keep metagaming the metagame while you get out-metagamed. |
Jin MeiHu
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.29 10:58:00 -
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Seems like hes just feeling sorry for himself. What a loser and despicable human being. |
Tantius Achasse
Berserking Roid Beavers Damned Nation
1
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:09:00 -
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Jin MeiHu wrote:Seems like hes just feeling sorry for himself. What a loser and despicable human being.
Of course he is feeling sorry for himself but I dont think its for the reason you are thinking. I think he realises that if his comment was taken seriously and an already potentially unbalanced person did something drastic, he would feel responsible. The Mittani persona prolly wouldn't give a crap about it but Alex the person probably would (who wouldn't feel bad about causing another human being harm even if indirectly).
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Uinuva Karma
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:22:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote: Mittens provided a grain of sand that those who hated him so much managed to clench into the ugliest diamond they could manage. I find it suspect how nonchalant you are about the idea that people used the game you are playing as disposable ammunition in their crusade against a person they hated well in advance of Fan Fest.
Little bee
I see you miss the voice of your mother I see you miss the taste of ice-cream And the sand of the beach between your little toes
Come press your face of sorrow between my ample hills of femininity I soothe you, I hum a nameless tune for you Open your well of desperation and weep Empty your fountain of desperation, let it flow
Open your empty eyes and see your tears run Down my ebony skin All the way down to my thirsty paradise
Sun will dry your weary wings, You will fly again, little bee. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
53
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Posted - 2012.03.29 11:37:00 -
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i said to myself, meh maybe he was wasted to almost black out, i walked out about 10 minutes or so before the end because i thought, this is just terrible to see someone as wasted as he was talking so much shite, it was like watching a car crash. but having read this shite, alex you are indeed a self loving little imature shithead. you needed to step down with grace and respect for the players you are suppposed to represent, you do not and will never represent me.
we all get wasted and talk shite, but we all don't do it on a live stream while representing our game EVE while sitting as the CSM chairman.
goons, watch the video again, be proud of what a **** he was/is. |
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:23:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: His actions have disgraced the CCM, CCP and even Goonswarm .
Its a ******* VIDEO GAME... get over it.
Disgraced? ***** please... Bioware is more of a disgrace than Mittens will ever be. |
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
22
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:25:00 -
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Jin MeiHu wrote:Seems like hes just feeling sorry for himself. What a loser and despicable human being.
says the guy posting on an internet forum about a person he does not, and will not ever, know personally. |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
232
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:41:00 -
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Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Not good enough. Nothing short of Minttani thrown on a cross was going to placate you, Darius III, and various other people with agendas to push. Truly shameful, like my posting
I thought your posting was pretty good actually...too good for a Gewn. You spai? |
VaMei
Meafi Corp
106
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Posted - 2012.03.29 12:43:00 -
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@The Mittani
Probably the best possible choice.
IMO, the game is better with you as the villain you choose to play, and we need someone on the CSM that has no fear of getting dirty when an ugly job needs to be done.
That said, from the PR side of things, neither Eve, the CSM, nor CCP needs the baggage of having 'public enemy number one' in such a visible position. |
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