Originally by: mercyonman

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global warming is not caused by us.
and really there isn't much of it.
the northern glaciers yes are melting.
BUT the southern glaciers are growing rapidly.
many cargo ships had to reroute due to glacier expansion.
and all the carbon we emit the trees turn it straight into oxygen.
plus carbon dioxide doesn't effect our planet that much.
the whole in the ozone layer is basically to let some of the atmosphere to escape so we don't heat up TOO much.

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Originally by: mercyonman

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global warming is not caused by us.
and really there isn't much of it.
the northern glaciers yes are melting.
BUT the southern glaciers are growing rapidly.
many cargo ships had to reroute due to glacier expansion.
and all the carbon we emit the trees turn it straight into oxygen.
plus carbon dioxide doesn't effect our planet that much.
the whole in the ozone layer is basically to let some of the atmosphere to escape so we don't heat up TOO much.

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Originally by: mercyonman

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and all the carbon we emit the trees turn it straight into oxygen.

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Originally by: annoing

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Originally by: mercyonman

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global warming is not caused by us.
and really there isn't much of it.
the northern glaciers yes are melting.
BUT the southern glaciers are growing rapidly.
many cargo ships had to reroute due to glacier expansion.
and all the carbon we emit the trees turn it straight into oxygen.
plus carbon dioxide doesn't effect our planet that much.
the whole in the ozone layer is basically to let some of the atmosphere to escape so we don't heat up TOO much.

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Wow, you win the prize for 'least intelligent' post of the day .. well done you ... contact me in-game for your reward.

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Originally by: mercyonman

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global warming is not caused by us.
and really there isn't much of it.
the northern glaciers yes are melting.
BUT the southern glaciers are growing rapidly.
many cargo ships had to reroute due to glacier expansion.
and all the carbon we emit the trees turn it straight into oxygen.
plus carbon dioxide doesn't effect our planet that much.
the whole in the ozone layer is basically to let some of the atmosphere to escape so we don't heat up TOO much.

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Originally by: Raymond Sterns

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Originally by: mercyonman

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and all the carbon we emit the trees turn it straight into oxygen.

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Non-sense. The Carbon we emit from burning fossil fuels and gasoline is contaminated. It's kind of like saying that if trees started producing Oxygen + Mustard gas we'd be fine because we only need the oxygen.

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Originally by: Amoxin

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My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...

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Originally by: Gonada

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Edited by: Gonada on 26/09/2008 16:32:35
I was going to say something well educated, but from the looks of it, you can put everyone in this forum together and still not have a IQ past 20.

global warming has some human contributions, but if you look on the grand scale of the earth history( billions of years), you will see that the earth goees through cycles, and we are entering a new one right now.

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Originally by: Arthur Frayn

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How much to ruin all your holes, luv?

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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton

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Originally by: Raymond Sterns

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Originally by: mercyonman

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and all the carbon we emit the trees turn it straight into oxygen.

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Non-sense. The Carbon we emit from burning fossil fuels and gasoline is contaminated. It's kind of like saying that if trees started producing Oxygen + Mustard gas we'd be fine because we only need the oxygen.

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right but all that carbon got taken from the atmosphere by plant life, which then decomposed and turned into fossil fuels. which we now burn and turn back to carbon.

and something I was watching stated that fossil fuel emissions were about 3% of the generated atmospheric carbon. volcanoes/animal life generate far more massive amounts.

anyone that is selling "green" stuff, or carbon credits is just trying to make a quick buck off of you.

see penn and teller bullshit, season 6, episode 6.

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Originally by: Raymond Sterns

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It's not the same Carbon, period. The carbon the plants use is the one animals produce and we don't produce thick clouds of smoke every time we breath. It's like putting a fish inside a tank of dirty water and expecting it to live.

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Raymond Sterns

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It's not the same Carbon, period. The carbon the plants use is the one animals produce and we don't produce thick clouds of smoke every time we breath. It's like putting a fish inside a tank of dirty water and expecting it to live.

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I've seen that happen actually. Those Chinese fighting fish are really adaptable it seems.

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Originally by: Ademaro Imre

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Contact him. He will write a diatribe to you, then say he's putting you on block.

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Originally by: Mr Friendly

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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

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Originally by: Raymond Sterns

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It's not the same Carbon, period. The carbon the plants use is the one animals produce and we don't produce thick clouds of smoke every time we breath. It's like putting a fish inside a tank of dirty water and expecting it to live.

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I've seen that happen actually. Those Chinese fighting fish are really adaptable it seems.

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That's because Betas don't breathe water, they breathe air. Try putting a Beta next to a smokey fire and see what happens

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Originally by: mercyonman

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global warming is not caused by us.
and really there isn't much of it.
the northern glaciers yes are melting.
BUT the southern glaciers are growing rapidly.
many cargo ships had to reroute due to glacier expansion.
and all the carbon we emit the trees turn it straight into oxygen.
plus carbon dioxide doesn't effect our planet that much.
the whole in the ozone layer is basically to let some of the atmosphere to escape so we don't heat up TOO much.

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Originally by: Oveur

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It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game

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Originally by: Pwett

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As has been said, but glossed over, water vapor is more of an enemy than CO2.

Quick two-part quiz.

a) What does the atmosphere of Mars consist of
b) What is the average temperature of Mars.



Answers
a) The average recorded temperature on Mars is -63 ¦C
b)
95.32% carbon dioxide
2.7% Nitrogen
1.6% Argon
0.13% Oxygen
0.07% Carbon Monoxide
0.03% Water Vapor
trace neon, krypton, xenon, ozone, methane

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Originally by: Zezug

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Edited by: Zezug on 29/09/2008 16:16:35
Venus's atmosphere is mostly carbon dioxide(about 97%) and is much hotter than Earth's. Its between 400-500 Celcius.

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Originally by: Of Montreal

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We have some more pressing matters we should focus on instead of an uncertain climate state.

Peak Oil - This can lead to large scale energy crisis and politic affects are a bit scary. We really need to get closer to oil independence.

Clean Drinking water - Most large cities or cities in general get there water from underground aquifers, which take thousands of years to fully replenish. Most of our fresh water is locked up in glaciers and polar ice.

Oceans Ecosystems - Large amounts of sewage and fertilizers are being dumped into the oceans and effectively choking marine life as its sucking up a ton of oxygen. We are over fishing and as the worlds population grows the worse it'll get.

Deforestation - Think we all know what this means.

Nuclear Weapons - There are about 20,000 nuclear weapons just sitting there still active. With countries like Iran, Pakistan, and North Korea developing nuclear weapons and countries like Syria seeking out a nuclear program, we can't ignore how dangerous this situation is getting. Especially when you have Putin threatening European countries with nuclear annihilation.

With the science on global warming still being unclear and with more pressing matters we should attend to, it seems our focus and money are going to the wrong problem. Everything I listed above has a direct human cause and can have a direct fix if we put more time and money into solving them. Global Warming is a craze and trend right now, just like DDT was (Which environmentalists were wrong about and caused 2 million deaths a year during its ban).

We should solve our more immanent issues that would likely kill us long before any kind of climate change would. In doing so we may even solve whatever climate crisis we may or may not be facing.

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Originally by: Oveur

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It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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The OP's video is pure comedy.
It takes a mediocre intelligence to take one's life and animals (even in the distant hopeless future the video portrays) are not capable of that while still in their animal form (small brain cavity etc).
The most stupid of the human beings latch on to their lives when facing inevitable death, prolonged suffering/misery and the idiot that created that video expects animals to dismiss the conservation instinct and surpass humans. hahah

And wtf is this general moaning about global warming?
And because certain prerequisites (on Earth and who knows where else in the Universe) are met, even if a few species disappear (which happend quite a lot in the course of evolution) life itself will not disappear, in the worst case scenario it will cycle.
But let's moan for the sake of it, feel down and post doomsday theories.
Such a wonderful way to pass time, isn't it?

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 30/09/2008 03:50:08

The OP's video is pure comedy.
It takes a mediocre intelligence to take one's life and animals (even in the distant hopeless future the video portrays) are not capable of that while still in their animal form (small brain cavity etc).
The most stupid of the human beings latch on to their lives when facing inevitable death, prolonged suffering/misery and the idiot that created that video expects animals to dismiss the conservation instinct and surpass humans. hahah

And wtf is this general moaning about global warming?
Even if your image of it is accurate you'll be long dead before it starts to make a notable difference.
And because certain prerequisites (on Earth and who knows where else in the Universe) are met, even if a few species disappear (which happend quite a lot in the course of evolution) life itself will not disappear, in the worst case scenario it will cycle.
But let's moan for the sake of it, feel down and post doomsday theories.
Such a wonderful way to pass time, isn't it?

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Originally by: Viper ****zIe

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This, pretty much. The personification of the animals committing suicide was laughable at best, and an attempt at fear mongering at worst.

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Originally by: Xtreem

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pretty powerfull stuff that video

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Originally by: Illwill Bill

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Edited by: Illwill Bill on 30/09/2008 22:36:37
Global temperatures are rising, no need for debating it.

The cause is irrelevant at this point, although even if it is a natural phenomena it is still stupid to ruin the environment.

What bothers me is that almost one third of the planet's population is dependant on the fragile eco-systems in the far-east. If they lose their ability to feed themselves, and we consider the fact that there is at least three countries with nukes down there, then things starts to get interesting.

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 30/09/2008 03:50:08
And wtf is this general moaning about global warming?
Even if your image of it is accurate you'll be long dead before it starts to make a notable difference.

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Originally by: Adreenalina Villak

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 30/09/2008 03:50:08
And wtf is this general moaning about global warming?
Even if your image of it is accurate you'll be long dead before it starts to make a notable difference.

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I don't know where you live, or if you ever go outdoors at all?

We have no winters at all nowadays, and havn't had a winter for more than 10 years!
No snow in the wintertime, temperature hardly getting below freezing.

If you are unable to see one such obvious thing, you cannot be helped.

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Originally by: Adreenalina Villak

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Edited by: Adreenalina Villak on 01/10/2008 14:21:07

Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 30/09/2008 03:50:08
And wtf is this general moaning about global warming?
Even if your image of it is accurate you'll be long dead before it starts to make a notable difference.

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I don't know where you live, or if you ever go outdoors at all?

But where I am from we used to have snow until last week of April or first week of May. With a lukewarm summer lasting 2+ months or so. And snowing starting in late Oct again.

We have no winters at all nowadays, and havn't had a winter for more than 10 years!
No snow in the wintertime, temperature hardly getting below freezing.

If you are unable to see one such obvious thing, you cannot be helped.

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Shanpurak wrote: Regional temperature records are not an accurate reflection of global warming... Isnt that what the global warming nut job scientists always say? Oh right, except if it is in the region of the polar caps or greenland!

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Originally by: Adreenalina Villak

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Edited by: Adreenalina Villak on 01/10/2008 14:21:07

Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 30/09/2008 03:50:08
And wtf is this general moaning about global warming?
Even if your image of it is accurate you'll be long dead before it starts to make a notable difference.

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I don't know where you live, or if you ever go outdoors at all?

But where I am from we used to have snow until last week of April or first week of May. With a lukewarm summer lasting 2+ months or so. And snowing starting in late Oct again.

We have no winters at all nowadays, and havn't had a winter for more than 10 years!
No snow in the wintertime, temperature hardly getting below freezing.

If you are unable to see one such obvious thing, you cannot be helped.

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Originally by: Adreenalina Villak

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Quote:

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Shanpurak wrote: Regional temperature records are not an accurate reflection of global warming... Isnt that what the global warming nut job scientists always say? Oh right, except if it is in the region of the polar caps or greenland!

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I used to live in the subarctic but now I am a notch to the south of it.
But yes I can see whats happening with my own eyes. The region around the arctic circle are in fact where these changes appeared first so its not only myself but everyone else who lives here who reacted to this.
You cant even walk out on the 'duoddar' (=tundraland) any more, the permafrost have melted and turned it into wet swamplands.

So I dont need any "nutjob" whatever, but you are obviously disrespectful and like to belittle the part of the world where I am from as something insignificant.

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Originally by: Roxanna Kell

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Originally by: Adreenalina Villak

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Originally by: YouGotRipped

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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 30/09/2008 03:50:08
And wtf is this general moaning about global warming?
Even if your image of it is accurate you'll be long dead before it starts to make a notable difference.

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I don't know where you live, or if you ever go outdoors at all?

We have no winters at all nowadays, and havn't had a winter for more than 10 years!
No snow in the wintertime, temperature hardly getting below freezing.

If you are unable to see one such obvious thing, you cannot be helped.

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well, I was supposed to go to the dessert this time around while in Algeria for 3 months, but didn't cause it was all read 42 degrees instead of the old average of 30-35
and the desserts average of 40 went up to 48. 52 highest, its does go below freezing at night, but its impossible to ride a bike in that temperature.
I gotta say that this has happened before, explains why the bloody sea that was there dried up.

And even if it happens again, species will not go extinct, especially polar bears and kangaroos and monkeys.

Why is thaT?

We have bloody zoos in all part of the world and different climates, and they managed to make some of them adapt to even eat baby food. This advert was over exaggerated, and put your self in the shoes of the million of global warming scientist.
would you like your founding to be terminated? or free donations, which is what this add really asks for.

The best way to combat over population is treating people like in china, 1 kid only.
and frankly it ll probably work, and i don't see how a not born baby is a deprived from life baby.

ethics VS humans can be the same as the one with animals, we re not that much better than them. Earth was better off before we cam along.

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Originally by: Adreenalina Villak

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Quote:

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Shanpurak wrote: Regional temperature records are not an accurate reflection of global warming... Isnt that what the global warming nut job scientists always say? Oh right, except if it is in the region of the polar caps or greenland!

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I used to live in the subarctic but now I am a notch to the south of it.
But yes I can see whats happening with my own eyes. The region around the arctic circle are in fact where these changes appeared first so its not only myself but everyone else who lives here who reacted to this.
You cant even walk out on the 'duoddar' (=tundraland) any more, the permafrost have melted and turned it into wet swamplands.

So I dont need any "nutjob" whatever, but you are obviously disrespectful and like to belittle the part of the world where I am from as something insignificant.

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Originally by: Of Montreal

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The past 25 years the southern hemisphere has shown no rise in temperature.

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Originally by: Sharupak

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Ahh good, where I live it has been colder than a witches ***** for the last 3 years often 20 degrees below normal. No disrespect to you, just like cutting peer reviewed scientific ******s with their own Occams Razor logic!

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Originally by: Adreenalina Villak

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Originally by: Sharupak

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Ahh good, where I live it has been colder than a witches ***** for the last 3 years often 20 degrees below normal. No disrespect to you, just like cutting peer reviewed scientific ******s with their own Occams Razor logic!

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Hey, since I havn't been able to use my snowmobile for quite some while, must have been 3 years since I was able to took it for a short spin - which burned off my sliders since there were only ice and no true snow- I come over to your place. :)

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Originally by: Karma

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Edited by: Karma on 26/09/2008 19:17:57

Originally by: mercyonman

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global warming is not caused by us.
and really there isn't much of it.
the northern glaciers yes are melting.
BUT the southern glaciers are growing rapidly.
many cargo ships had to reroute due to glacier expansion.
and all the carbon we emit the trees turn it straight into oxygen.
plus carbon dioxide doesn't effect our planet that much.
the whole in the ozone layer is basically to let some of the atmosphere to escape so we don't heat up TOO much.

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let's see, I'm assuming you're just trolling, but some nut might actually believe you so I'll set some stuff straight, for their benefit.

1. I believe you're wrong, but whatever.
2. yes there is.
3. yes they are.
4. not quite.
5. if a part of the glacier breaks off due to warmth (much like an icecube cracks if you put it in a glass of water, that part will float off and become a boating hazard, I'll grant you that.
6. even if that were true, we're also rapidly turning trees straight into stubs.
7. normally yes. but we've increased the amount of it in the atmosphere by roughly 35% since the beginning of the industrial age. and the balance of nature is fairly capricious.
8. ... idiot.

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Originally by: Illwill Bill

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Originally by: Of Montreal

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The past 25 years the southern hemisphere has shown no rise in temperature.

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I would like to see data on this; I did some searches, but haven't found anything that supports your claim.

Overall, the global average temperature is rising; the antarctic temperatures have generally followed that trend, especially if you look a the winter temperatures. As a side effect of this, the snowfall has increased greatly, resulting in growing glaciers on Antarctica, and a few other places aswell.

But, as we both agree on: All this is irrelevant. There are some large changes about to happen to the global climate, and humanity should start preparing for that instead of *****ing and fighting about the cause.

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