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touchvill
Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.28 12:25:00 -
[61]
No sympathy for you.
NC have logs leakes showing their pro lagging out systems.
I have no sympathy for bob (they won this won but they don't win all laggy encounters).
You have a tremendous amount of alliances on each side (I will say a kind 10+) and you are all fighting in the same system, you could ahev multi regional warfare and spread out the server strain, but you chose to do it all in 1 system with everyone.
You all deserve a shit experience.
0.0 is shit because it's full of crap napfests and blobs and lag. (There is no exceptions, even my bestest friends in all the world Tri are in this)
The server will never improve conditions for you because whenever the server will handle 500 people you will come out and bring 700 and then complaion the server can't handle it.
Yes I am a lame empire ganking noob. At least I am in control of my own actions though because I don't need assistance from 300 other lemmings to do what I do. ----------
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EzSnake
Brass Monkeys Society
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Posted - 2008.09.28 13:06:00 -
[62]
Curious question regarding the 'Lag issue'...I know many people have multiple systems w/ multiple toons (unfortunately I don't).
So, has anyone seen the PC hardware vary the amount of lag you get in game??
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PeveS
The Edge Foundation Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.09.28 13:50:00 -
[63]
Battle Hardened sad to see you flamed on COAD. But this is how Coad works. Even with a serious post try to achieve something, you get flamed. This says enough of the people who flame. Their **** isnt big enough to pew pew in game.
Find other ways, NC and BOBC have great fights, so mutual respect has to be there. If lag is really terrible (and with 500+ in local i can believe so) your FC's can bond together on the lag issue against CCP.
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.09.28 13:54:00 -
[64]
Originally by: PeveS Battle Hardened sad to see you flamed on COAD. But this is how Coad works. Even with a serious post try to achieve something, you get flamed.
Now you will get flamed.
What did his post try to achieve? Tell us that THERE IS LAG IN EVE? If yes then whoa, no shit Sherlock, you are at least 5 years too late.
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Loike
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.28 13:56:00 -
[65]
I'm with the flamers.
Lag is nothing new. Yes it is shit, I'm not going to deny, but posts like this achieve absolutely nothing.
I just find it hilarious how NC are whining about lag caused by blobs .. considering their history.
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Dkiler
Dkiller Delta Force Corp. CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.09.28 13:58:00 -
[66]
Did someone say rainbow¦s, hurry catch it.............
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Ervol Libra
Amarr Invenio Inceptum
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Posted - 2008.09.28 14:16:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Nick Curso
Originally by: Damien Cerverus As a former NC frontline fighter before i can support the claims battle hardened makes
/me coughs and chokes as he remembers fleet engagements including ZLZ, JZV, T-Z, and TVN.
but then again as long as lag works for Bob and pets it will continue to exist as CCP like bending over for Bob
Anyone else wonder y this guy is ex-nc?... I dont
I wonder what battles lol i seen a few little skirmishes there but that was it. Like taking candy from a baby
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bloody johnroberts
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.09.28 14:29:00 -
[68]
totally agree with most of the rants here but we all know this will never change its because the game will get bigger more player base less space more conflicts. i see no way of sorting this we all remember when ccp hailed the rise of the blade server lol how wrong we were. ccp is and always be about attracting more players that means giving the new base of players ambulation wow cant wait NOT the core of eve players play for pvp if that was taken away and walking in stations was added who would still be playing ???? we all play this game for the battles those huge ground breaking ones that we all talk about for weeks after win or lose coad are normally full of them now all we talk about is lag or node crash. again im not technical about computers in any way i need help getting teamspeak working but i know that if CCP really wanted to solve the lag issue they would need to spend a huge amount of money,and i have a feeling that its a price they are not willing to pay so we will all get cheap bells and whistles. i quote from a film (give them bread and games and they will love you)
regards the b.j
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.28 14:31:00 -
[69]
Originally by: PeveS Even with a serious post try to achieve something, you get flamed. This says enough of the people who flame. Their **** isnt big enough to pew pew in game.
...except the OP was anything but a 'serious post'.
It was a rant, pure and simple, and as such deserves richly to be flamed.
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Jehovah Cooper
H A V O C Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.28 15:24:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Jehovah Cooper on 28/09/2008 15:25:14
Originally by: Moon Kitten
Quote: the EVE cluster can no longer handle they amount of hardware that is deployed in these conflicts
This has been the case for several years.
Quote: CCP has decided to do nothing about it as 0.0
Hello, I am a CCP apologist and this is not true. They're working on a new server architecture.
Fanfest 2007 - Hilmar, skip to ~20:00, and then wait for 4 years until CCP deploys the new server architecture.
Server architecture is great but there are limits to what it can do. It needs to be accompanied by game design changes. Shameless plug someone bump my features and ideas thread if you agree its at least a good direction to be thinking in:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=830635
edit: edit for URL failure
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Shubs
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.09.28 15:59:00 -
[71]
yes CCP fix the server... soon plz <3 xxx , but please let the NC die first! Pack it up, Pack it in, come on let it begin!
*- Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo -*
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Kendar
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.28 16:36:00 -
[72]
Ah the bitter tri tears actualy taste kinda sweet. I like it, one more please
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.28 17:07:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Battle Hardened Wow after reading the replies to the post..I am aghast that everyone just accepts this and are sidestepping the issue by posting old promises by CCP to fix the problem. The smartass posts are the ones that worry me the most though , by offering no real input or view on the problem they the affirm that CCP can sit back and promise a better gameplay for your dollar and also give the Dev's the impression that they are under very little pressure to fix this broken world of EVE. CCP (crowd control productions) encourages PVP and promotes conflicts to keep EVE lively but refuse to provide a workable pallet to do so. They have been promising fixes forever...but it just never seems to happen...just more added "fluff"...factional warfare...planet interaction...station interaction..to appease the needs of pilots , to distract them of the flawed gamepley that has now become an EVE everyday occurance
How Ironic.
Your alliance as well as the rest of the NC only exist in 0.0 due to lag. The only plan you guys could do was to lag the enemy out with mass numbers insted of tactics. The only wars you ever won were by lagging out the enemy with mass numbers.
If there was no lag in eve, then the NC would never have existed for even a faction as long as it currently does. That is a fact. Hopefully CCP will fix lag so in the future, nobody can get away with a 0.0 territory alliance that can only survive by lagging the attackers out. --
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.28 17:13:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Battle Hardened Wow after reading the replies to the post..I am aghast that everyone just accepts this and are sidestepping the issue by posting old promises by CCP to fix the problem. The smartass posts are the ones that worry me the most though , by offering no real input or view on the problem they the affirm that CCP can sit back and promise a better gameplay for your dollar and also give the Dev's the impression that they are under very little pressure to fix this broken world of EVE. CCP (crowd control productions) encourages PVP and promotes conflicts to keep EVE lively but refuse to provide a workable pallet to do so. They have been promising fixes forever...but it just never seems to happen...just more added "fluff"...factional warfare...planet interaction...station interaction..to appease the needs of pilots , to distract them of the flawed gamepley that has now become an EVE everyday occurance
How Ironic.
Your alliance as well as the rest of the NC only exist in 0.0 due to lag. The only plan you guys could do was to lag the enemy out with mass numbers insted of tactics. The only wars you ever won were by lagging out the enemy with mass numbers.
If there was no lag in eve, then the NC would never have existed for even a faction as long as it currently does. That is a fact. Hopefully CCP will fix lag so in the future, nobody can get away with a 0.0 territory alliance that can only survive by lagging the attackers out.
The irony isn't subtle.
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Kendar
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.28 17:27:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Battle Hardened Wow after reading the replies to the post..I am aghast that everyone just accepts this and are sidestepping the issue by posting old promises by CCP to fix the problem. The smartass posts are the ones that worry me the most though , by offering no real input or view on the problem they the affirm that CCP can sit back and promise a better gameplay for your dollar and also give the Dev's the impression that they are under very little pressure to fix this broken world of EVE. CCP (crowd control productions) encourages PVP and promotes conflicts to keep EVE lively but refuse to provide a workable pallet to do so. They have been promising fixes forever...but it just never seems to happen...just more added "fluff"...factional warfare...planet interaction...station interaction..to appease the needs of pilots , to distract them of the flawed gamepley that has now become an EVE everyday occurance
How Ironic.
Your alliance as well as the rest of the NC only exist in 0.0 due to lag. The only plan you guys could do was to lag the enemy out with mass numbers insted of tactics. The only wars you ever won were by lagging out the enemy with mass numbers.
If there was no lag in eve, then the NC would never have existed for even a faction as long as it currently does. That is a fact. Hopefully CCP will fix lag so in the future, nobody can get away with a 0.0 territory alliance that can only survive by lagging the attackers out.
funny, you could say the same about bob
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Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.28 17:28:00 -
[76]
Regardless of sides, I think we all agree that the game at the current state is broken. It cannot support big battles, especially when it involves shooting POSes. What needs to happen, and this is the problem for CCP, is that the game has to be redesigned at the core level.
The problem is that there are way too many signals being sent to the servers and back. Every gun, every mod, every drone, hell, every ammo type has to be calculated. That needs to change. For instance, why do we need to have 6-8 guns on our ships? Why canÆt we just have 1 or 2 and control the range or damage thru the amount of scripts our skills allow us to load to the gun? Why do I need 3 sensor boosters? Why do I need 5 drones when I send them all to one target anyway? All the calculations just add to the lag.
The redesign needs to be done to eliminate the number of signals sent between servers and clients. I much rather have good game play then content any day. ThatÆs what CCP just refuses to comprehend. They think that more choices for my ship are more important to me then if I can use them at all in battle. They better wise up soon. This shit is getting old for a lot of people.
The truth will set you free
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.28 17:46:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Battle Hardened Wow after reading the replies to the post..I am aghast that everyone just accepts this and are sidestepping the issue by posting old promises by CCP to fix the problem. The smartass posts are the ones that worry me the most though , by offering no real input or view on the problem they the affirm that CCP can sit back and promise a better gameplay for your dollar and also give the Dev's the impression that they are under very little pressure to fix this broken world of EVE. CCP (crowd control productions) encourages PVP and promotes conflicts to keep EVE lively but refuse to provide a workable pallet to do so. They have been promising fixes forever...but it just never seems to happen...just more added "fluff"...factional warfare...planet interaction...station interaction..to appease the needs of pilots , to distract them of the flawed gamepley that has now become an EVE everyday occurance
How Ironic.
Your alliance as well as the rest of the NC only exist in 0.0 due to lag. The only plan you guys could do was to lag the enemy out with mass numbers insted of tactics. The only wars you ever won were by lagging out the enemy with mass numbers.
If there was no lag in eve, then the NC would never have existed for even a faction as long as it currently does. That is a fact. Hopefully CCP will fix lag so in the future, nobody can get away with a 0.0 territory alliance that can only survive by lagging the attackers out.
The irony isn't subtle.
comming from an alliance that was one of the founders of a megablobcoalition with goonswarm, the likes of which wasn't seen in eve before that time, the irony indeed isn't very subtle.
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.09.28 17:54:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Battle Hardened Wow after reading the replies to the post..I am aghast that everyone just accepts this and are sidestepping the issue by posting old promises by CCP to fix the problem. The smartass posts are the ones that worry me the most though , by offering no real input or view on the problem they the affirm that CCP can sit back and promise a better gameplay for your dollar and also give the Dev's the impression that they are under very little pressure to fix this broken world of EVE. CCP (crowd control productions) encourages PVP and promotes conflicts to keep EVE lively but refuse to provide a workable pallet to do so. They have been promising fixes forever...but it just never seems to happen...just more added "fluff"...factional warfare...planet interaction...station interaction..to appease the needs of pilots , to distract them of the flawed gamepley that has now become an EVE everyday occurance
How Ironic.
Your alliance as well as the rest of the NC only exist in 0.0 due to lag. The only plan you guys could do was to lag the enemy out with mass numbers insted of tactics. The only wars you ever won were by lagging out the enemy with mass numbers.
If there was no lag in eve, then the NC would never have existed for even a faction as long as it currently does. That is a fact. Hopefully CCP will fix lag so in the future, nobody can get away with a 0.0 territory alliance that can only survive by lagging the attackers out.
The irony isn't subtle.
comming from an alliance that was one of the founders of a megablobcoalition with goonswarm, the likes of which wasn't seen in eve before that time, the irony indeed isn't very subtle.
As your fellow alliance mate was deluded in thinking that actually BoB didn't bring the blob to achieve anything of importance on the Eve map, you're also deluded about me representing my alliance.
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Master Arrow
Trinity Capital Endeavors Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.09.28 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude Regardless of sides, I think we all agree that the game at the current state is broken. It cannot support big battles, especially when it involves shooting POSes. What needs to happen, and this is the problem for CCP, is that the game has to be redesigned at the core level.
The problem is that there are way too many signals being sent to the servers and back. Every gun, every mod, every drone, hell, every ammo type has to be calculated. That needs to change. For instance, why do we need to have 6-8 guns on our ships? Why canÆt we just have 1 or 2 and control the range or damage thru the amount of scripts our skills allow us to load to the gun? Why do I need 3 sensor boosters? Why do I need 5 drones when I send them all to one target anyway? All the calculations just add to the lag.
The redesign needs to be done to eliminate the number of signals sent between servers and clients. I much rather have good game play then content any day. ThatÆs what CCP just refuses to comprehend. They think that more choices for my ship are more important to me then if I can use them at all in battle. They better wise up soon. This shit is getting old for a lot of people.
This is a good point, but the plain and simple fact is that CCP can easily afford to update their servers to be able to handle this, the sad fact is that they wont. They easily pull in $1,000,000 a month just in subscriptions and GTC's. I can guarantee you that their operational cost is nothing even close to that. They get their wallets fat and prey on people who have invested their hard earned money and time into this game who refuse to just leave it due to inadequate servers. CCP knows the faults of their equipment but refuse to correct it, instead they increase game content to try and get more subscriptions which in turn makes it even more difficult to sustain the load of fleet battles. If they wont upgrade their servers to hold the demand then they need to go back to square one and redesign the game as Metal Dude mentioned. When a battleship has 8 guns and 5 drones, targeting multiple targets, activiating its own modules, and then moving on grid....thats a ton of information for just 1 person, then multiply that by 400? 500? 800? The game is brilliant in design, but the server capacity is inferior to sustain a superior quality game. Instead of upgrading the graphics for more awards, or increasing game content like walking in stations, they should set their priority to fixing the biggest problem that this game has. This thread wasnt designed to spam, whine or compare e-peens. This is the type of thread that should be a constant on the forums and get everyone's positive input into how to resolve this issue. Not flame each other because of complaining.
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.09.28 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tzrailasa on 28/09/2008 18:36:18
Originally by: Master Arrow .....They easily pull in $1,000,000 a month just in subscriptions and GTC's. I can guarantee you that their operational cost is nothing even close to that....
You have NO idea what you're talking about.....
Our company (in the UK), operate with a cost per employee of around $100/hour (wage, house rent, healthcare, taxes etc.). Since we're a software development company too, it is probably reasonably similar to CCP, except that we don't have expenses anywhere near their scale for servers and internet bandwidth. The UK is also considerably cheaper than Iceland for labor.
So an average employee is 7.5 * 22 * $100 = $16.500 per month. That leaves 60 employees from your $1.000.000, leaving absolutely nothing for running expenses, research, hardware, connectivity or profit.
CCP has far more than 60 employees.....
As said, you have absolutely NO clue whatsoever as to the financial realities of running a company.....
EDIT: Made some calc errors.
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Rilariel Vanacaris
YAKUZAS
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Posted - 2008.09.28 19:02:00 -
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i think CCP dont have the dollars to solved this lag problem!! maybe is time to sell !!
any one get 1B$ to invest. __________________ Litany of our Fate - http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=536527
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Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2008.09.28 19:42:00 -
[82]
Lag like, whineres, have been around for a long time.
LAG in EVE with 5000 members
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Odda
Gallente Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.09.28 20:03:00 -
[83]
I got to say the two last day's when you have CCP actaly Reinforcing NODES when somthing happends there is realy nice. it's HUGE step in the rigth direction, i realy hope they folow and keep doing this!
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Danari
Syncore
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Posted - 2008.09.28 20:08:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Keeves Protip: You don't want slideshow pvp? Get the **** out of the NC.
10/10
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PooooBear
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.28 20:17:00 -
[85]
lol @ BoB complaining about lag. -Cippa RSF old timer. AKA "the dude" |
PooooBear
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.28 20:18:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Tholarim
comming from an alliance that was one of the founders of a megablobcoalition with goonswarm, the likes of which wasn't seen in eve before that time, the irony indeed isn't very subtle.
*naps 50,000 useless pets* *naps Lotka Volterra* *does nothing while we butcher them* *complains about numbers* -Cippa RSF old timer. AKA "the dude" |
Twoside
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.28 20:21:00 -
[87]
Originally by: PooooBear
Originally by: Tholarim
comming from an alliance that was one of the founders of a megablobcoalition with goonswarm, the likes of which wasn't seen in eve before that time, the irony indeed isn't very subtle.
*naps 50,000 useless pets* *naps Lotka Volterra* *does nothing while we butcher them* *complains about numbers*
I guess they were angry with LV stealing their targets :( |
PooooBear
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.28 20:28:00 -
[88]
I can't believe how much bullshit can BoB members spew on CAOD and not be called out on that. -Cippa RSF old timer. AKA "the dude" |
Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.28 20:46:00 -
[89]
Originally by: PooooBear I can't believe how much bullshit can BoB members spew on CAOD and not be called out on that.
Funny thing is everyone seems to believe them, but what do i care, as long as it's fun on the battlefield...oh wait that was 2 1/2 years ago, i'm a sucker for addictions :( Signature Locked. Please refrain from amending a moderated warning. Navigator |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
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Posted - 2008.09.28 21:12:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Terranid Meester on 28/09/2008 21:12:14 Complain about lag...check.
Complain about BoB and pets...check.
Complain about blobs..check
Complain about CCP...check.
Its amazing how the GBC can run around hitting the North when a few months they were stuck in their last remaining region of Delve with one of their stations there lost.
Actually no it isn't because the so called "coalition" didn't have the guts to finish the job. Enjoy the fruits of your labour :P
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