| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
   |
Posted - 2008.09.30 00:14:00 -
[1]
Ok, so I need some help. I'm a fairly avid PVP'er and I don't really lose many ships, but I have found myself broke by virtue of a misadventure of moving to 0.0, buying ammo for PVP, and skills. And my interest in Eve is quickly failing because I can't stand PVE.
So I need someone tell me how to enjoy the grind for ISK again... because I'm down to ~20M isk and the idea of logging in to run missions for a month to get a reasonable ISK foundation under me again makes me want to go plow a field by hand.
I own a faction fit raven, a 4 BCU T2 raven, a sentry Domi, an afk domi, and an AC Maelstrom... and I have at or near perfect skills for each of these ships.
-Liang
--
|
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 00:14:00 -
[2]
Ok, so I need some help. I'm a fairly avid PVP'er and I don't really lose many ships, but I have found myself broke by virtue of a misadventure of moving to 0.0, buying ammo for PVP, and skills. And my interest in Eve is quickly failing because I can't stand PVE.
So I need someone tell me how to enjoy the grind for ISK again... because I'm down to ~20M isk and the idea of logging in to run missions for a month to get a reasonable ISK foundation under me again makes me want to go plow a field by hand.
I own a faction fit raven, a 4 BCU T2 raven, a sentry Domi, an afk domi, and an AC Maelstrom... and I have at or near perfect skills for each of these ships.
-Liang |
Coaster DP
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 00:18:00 -
[3]
Try doing the COSMOS mission? Try other things (mine if you so desire, try trading, try market speculation, build stuff, etc).
Eve is a game that rewards the proactive.
|
Coaster DP
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 00:18:00 -
[4]
Try doing the COSMOS mission? Try other things (mine if you so desire, try trading, try market speculation, build stuff, etc).
Eve is a game that rewards the proactive. |
Kaival
Gallente
Old Timers Guild Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 00:25:00 -
[5]
Sell some of your ships.
But, honestly, what were you planning on doing for money anyway? PVP doesn't really pay regularly. Most people in 0.0 make money either mining (directly or indirectly) or ratting or mission running. Pick your poison.
|
Kaival
Gallente
Old Timers Guild Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 00:25:00 -
[6]
Sell some of your ships.
But, honestly, what were you planning on doing for money anyway? PVP doesn't really pay regularly. Most people in 0.0 make money either mining (directly or indirectly) or ratting or mission running. Pick your poison. |
Dotard
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 00:27:00 -
[7]
Belt Rat. Lot's of it. In 0.0 ofc.
|
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 00:30:00 -
[8]
 Originally by: Kaival
Sell some of your ships.
The point of Eve is to have something to fly.
Quote:
But, honestly, what were you planning on doing for money anyway? PVP doesn't really pay regularly. Most people in 0.0 make money either mining (directly or indirectly) or ratting or mission running. Pick your poison.
That's the problem: none of those things are interesting in the slightest anymore. Mining is ridiculously boring (and I lack the skills for it anyway), I don't have access to rat, and mission running makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a fork... and I don't have the capital (or skills) to start a market interest.
Ratting is (at best) the better of two evils because you can do it for 10-20 minutes at a time (though I realize that I can run a level 4 in 10-20 minutes too as long as I dual box, but this really requires me paying far more attention to the game than I really want to pay to some part that's so painful).
-Liang |
FT Diomedes
Gallente
Ductus Exemplo
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 00:35:00 -
[9]
To be honest, it's something you just have to enjoy. I like PvP in Eve a great deal, but I also enjoy running missions. Part of it is the roleplaying aspect, but that kind of wears off after you destroy the 50th Caldari stargate in your space.
When I really need ISK, I bust out the ratter and chain a system all day. In the Drone Regions, with one account I can earn 40 million per hour (counting the time to prune a decent system).
When I don't want to feel suicidal, I set myself a goal that is unrelated to the amount of ISK I make. So, for instance, at the moment, I am missioning to earn enough LP for a cool set of implants. The ISK I earn is a byproduct of that - and will be used to pay for my carriers and dreadnaughts.
Another time I just decided it would be cool to have a million Gallente LP, so I worked for that. Incidentally, I turned that into 1.5 billion ISK worth of faction ammo, sold it within 20 minutes to a 0.0 wholesaler in my alliance and have been happily PvPing ever since then. |
Kaival
Gallente
Old Timers Guild Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 00:37:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Kaival
Sell some of your ships.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
The point of Eve is to have something to fly.
Note, I said *some* of your ships.
Originally by: Kaival
But, honestly, what were you planning on doing for money anyway? PVP doesn't really pay regularly. Most people in 0.0 make money either mining (directly or indirectly) or ratting or mission running. Pick your poison.
Originally by: Liang Nuren
That's the problem: none of those things are interesting in the slightest anymore. Mining is ridiculously boring (and I lack the skills for it anyway), I don't have access to rat, and mission running makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a fork... and I don't have the capital (or skills) to start a market interest.
Ratting is (at best) the better of two evils because you can do it for 10-20 minutes at a time (though I realize that I can run a level 4 in 10-20 minutes too as long as I dual box, but this really requires me paying far more attention to the game than I really want to pay to some part that's so painful).
-Liang
Well, sounds like you're just bored with the game. Set the longest skill you can and take a break. No game will entertain you forever. Go play some others for a while and see if you miss Eve--and if not, then you made the right move.
|
|
|
Hotice
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 01:23:00 -
[11]
Well, nobody can make you enjoy something you don't. Either you have to deal with lack of isk to fund pvp or do what others do, sell GTC. There is no other way really. The best is to splite play time half and half between making money, then pvp. Or start to use cheap ships for pvp instead full geared t2 stuff. I got over 18b isk but still use no larger than zealot/vaga/ishtar for pvp. Rate of losing those ships isn't very high either. Making money is like grinding levels in other game, it is not something you will enjoy but have to deal with it.
Just go do a month of mission, make a billion or so then you can go back to pvp again. It has to be done regardless you like it or not. If you keep at it, you will get used to the grinding quickly. PvP is very bad for wallet unless your corp/alliance got some kind of insurance for pvp losts. |
Zo5o
Gallente
Longcat is Long
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 01:43:00 -
[12]
Ganktank. Start progressively fitting more gank and less tank in missions until you're escaping some of them, for example, in a 4 magstab armortank with 25% armor before your tank stabilizes. The results will be twofold:
1: More isk/hr
2: More excitement |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 02:05:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 30/09/2008 02:05:53
Originally by: Zo5o
Ganktank. Start progressively fitting more gank and less tank in missions until you're escaping some of them, for example, in a 4 magstab armortank with 25% armor before your tank stabilizes. The results will be twofold:
1: More isk/hr
2: More excitement
Combine this with timing yourself re: mission completion time from first shot to last shot. Make it your goal every time you run the same mission to beat your previous best time, and really concentrate on your efficiency (target order, managing reloads, etc.) to make it happen. Do this and you'll find yourself concentrating more intently on missions than you ever did before; you might even find yourself having fun.
I'm quite possibly the biggest proponent of ganktanking in S&M.
My current Raven (T2 fit):
6x Cruise II
C5 XL, SBA II, 3x Hardener II, CR II/PWNAGE
4x BCU II, PDU II
3x CCC I
I very rarely need to actually use the shield booster, even on the "hardest" of missions.
The sentry domi (right now):
5x 350 II, DLA
2x CR II, 3x Omni
LAR II, 4x Hardener II, 2x MFS II
SDA, 2x CCC I
I have no problems running missions in record times (especially when I dual box it... I mean it's brutally fast)... it's just that running more than one mission in a row is a guaranteed way to make me log for the night. :-/
Maybe I'll give it another shot... maybe if I move back to highsec temporarily I can pay sufficiently little attention to my mission I can read a book or something.
-Liang
Ed: I wonder if I replace the CR II with a PWNAGE permanently and turn one of the CCC's into a explo radius ... hmm.
--
|
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 02:10:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 30/09/2008 02:10:54
Get into exploration. The actual combat part is much like missions, but there's a lot of twists
You don't know what you're going to run into. There's a huge number of exploration plexes and you're never going to be able to think "Oh, look, Guristas X outpost. I remember this, I can expect Y Z and Q". Not to mention that everything about it is a gamble, which makes it exciting. The concept of spending time seeking a potentially huge reward rather than predictably grinding for a predictable reward is awesome. I tell you I was -damn- pleased when I found a Snake Delta in a 0.0 plex. I get really tense when I hack open a can in a radar plex, hoping to find something good (Symbiotic Figures anyone?)...or I sink back into my chair in disappointment finding some positron cords or something..
Oh, and a great deal of Unknown (combat) complexes require a group to do which always makes it more interesting.
I'd give it a shot. I find it a very fair deal more interesting than missioning or ratting.,
Originally by: Catharacta
My CNR runs on salvager tears.
|
Belhorn Battlebeard
Minmatar
Warped Mining
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 02:11:00 -
[15]
well personally, ratting bores me to death, missioning bores me to death, mining pretty much the same deal. you get the gist, most pve bores me. i find my enjoyment in exploration to fund my pvp. if you havent attempted this, might be worth a shot. i certainly find it much more interesting and enjoyable.
Bel.
|
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 02:13:00 -
[16]
Exploration... hmm, good idea. How's lowsec exploration?
-Liang
--
|
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 02:16:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Exploration... hmm, good idea. How's lowsec exploration?
-Liang
Lowsec exploration is quite good. It's quite possibly the only profession that's very well scaled across sec status. You wont make what you will with 0.0 exploration, and missiongrinding in hisec will probably make more as well, but it's certainly a good income. And being in lowsec (having to dodge hostiles) is quite fun without being tedious (If you're in a region that isn't totally overrun by pirates, of which there are many).
Find one of the backwater lowsec regions like Verge Vendor, Arida, etc..
Originally by: Catharacta
My CNR runs on salvager tears.
|
Zo5o
Gallente
Longcat is Long
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 02:22:00 -
[18]
Quote:
The sentry domi (right now):
5x 350 II, DLA
2x CR II, 3x Omni
LAR II, 4x Hardener II, 2x MFS II
SDA, 2x CC
For more damage and micromanagement, try swapping another hardener or two for a magstab or two, a cap recharger for a tracking comp, the other cap recharger for a medium cap booster, and the CCC's for another sentry damage augmentor.
No, that's not a cell phone in my pocket, I'm just using MOAR GANK  |
Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 02:33:00 -
[19]
In my case, I sold off my pimp fitted mission boat and my alternate mission boat to generate income.
As for exploration, patience is key. Its quite random and it can get annoying to check 15+ systems and get nothing.
Perhaps trade/production? It also can be dreadfully boring however.
***
Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space
Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2
WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 03:00:00 -
[20]
I stopped pveing for about 9 months (september 07 to may 08) for lowsec piracy. around may the sec came back up lowsec ratting, and going back to level 4 missions I really didn't mind doing them at all. Now I have been doing wars/missions mostly
anyways just plop your afk domi into missions and go do other crap. I look forward to having that 1000 dps tanked domi and just launch drones go afk 
I'm -2.9, should be -1.9 or better. also need a bunch of expensive skillbooks, so I see a bunch more pve coming my way. although the domi should make that somewhat nicer. Should have like 5mil sp in drones come Sunday. 
I suppose I have enough isk I could just ride it out for another few months. but really just got to get the sec up right now. but that will be on hold for a while given we have 5 wars going
|
|
|
LordThyGod
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 03:40:00 -
[21]
build t2 ships, 3 mins a day to start production slots granted it takes a bit of upfront investment, but its not so bad knowing its the last time you burn missions for a week straight
|
Kadoes Khan
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 06:06:00 -
[22]
Edited by: Kadoes Khan on 30/09/2008 06:08:10
Science is your answer.
I would recommend doing a little PE/ME research on some cheaper BPO's then copying and selling them. Once you get things started the whole thing just kinda snowballs to the point where a couple minutes of work here and there leads to hundreds of millions of isk. I eventually set up my own POS in high sec ^^ for research.
Also look into getting datacores, they are damn easy to get with decent engineering skills(getting faction can suck ass though). Personally I just let these things build up and come wandering back and snatch up a couple hundred datacores once in awhile.
These methods usually need a fair bit of initial capital so you may want to fly frigates for a bit and just tackle :) |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 06:18:00 -
[23]
If you can't stand PVE try combining it with PvP. Buy and equip a low cost frigate or cruiser and go in the militia missions to steal the NPC tags. They have a decent price and as you will be stealing them under the nose of other players you will surly get some PvP.
No idea if the return will be sufficient for your needs, but for sure it will be exciting and follow your tastes as much as possible. |
steejans nix
Amarr
0beron Construct
Shadow Empire.
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 07:07:00 -
[24]
Tbh i think missions ect get to be a habit more than anything.
Just a way of getting isk and THE way of getting it fast if need it for other things like pvp for instance, sure it may not rock you're boat but if the other things here not either then find a mission or two that go can farm for easy isk and get a good paying mission in a day and that will keep the funds in wallet for pvp or every now and then dedicate a full day play to missions and just see the isk come in but get bored out you're head while doing it.
Think you just got to suck it up and mission tbh, the rewards aren't there in other things unless like doing them. |
Dr Sheepbringer
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 07:45:00 -
[25]
I personally hate doing missions and I mostly feed my iskhunger with beltratting. I am doodling into science at the moment, but that also means a bit of an mission grinding...lvl1,lvl2's...horror.
I'd combine the two. Go belt ratting into pvp areas and hunt for pvp and rats. Another one would be to start scanning stuff. |
r0b0to
Deathwatch Ltd
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 08:24:00 -
[26]
Edited by: r0b0to on 30/09/2008 08:25:08
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I don't have access to rat
-Liang
That is not a valid reason to prevent you from ratting
ninja in a cloaking sentry 2 LSE ishtar in geminate, make billions
ishtar could be pvp fit as well, for ratting breaks, roam a bit |
ThaDollaGenerale
The Priory
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 11:19:00 -
[27]
Ninja rat. Go deep into enemy territory in an ishtar with sentries and heavies and rat. Its exciting and challenging to not die.
|
adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 11:25:00 -
[28]
no idea, i hate the grinding isk part myself, and i'm suicidal so i loose a crapload of ships..
anyway, you could try exploration maybe, sometimes it sucks but other times you can get some really big rewards, and it's more exciting than ratting/missioning. it is fun for a while at least.
maybe try out the industrial side of eve? not too exciting but it's a change and makes isk.
or do like me and painfully cruiciatingly terrifyingly accept that you need few months break to grind isk all the time after a short period of pvp'ing
-sig-
Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
|
Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague.
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 12:16:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
So I need someone tell me how to enjoy the grind for ISK again... because I'm down to ~20M isk and the idea of logging in to run missions for a month to get a reasonable ISK foundation under me again makes me want to go plow a field by hand.-Liang
Grind some RL money and sell GTC's.
- Carebear Pirate - |
Mikal Drey
Minmatar
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
Atlas Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.09.30 12:17:00 -
[30]
hey hey
Have you considered that PVE isnt supposed to be a grind for isk ?
apart from that debate id suggest finding alternate forms of income. there are a multitude of way to make isk and some even passivly.
if you still decide to go down the PVE route then investigate exploration. scanning the complexes down can be exceptionally depressing but the rewards can be very high. if you find something with a high difficulty then simply invite corpies along and share the lootZ.
for a very simple start to exploration use your raven and the built in anomoly scanner. whn im bored on a hunt, camp, op I often scan for an anomoly. very often you get a hit.
im going to assume you are a solo pilot. if not then get your alt to do the grunt work for isk and then yank it all.
|
|
|
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: [1] 2 :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |