Silly OP, mining is for bots.

More isk for things that shoot back. Seems fair.

More isk for things that shoot back. Seems fair.

So is running missions.

Check the slides from fanfest, mining and mission running are just as heavily botted.

So is blobbing and gate camping and POS bashing

Thier is no chance of loseing a ship none at all. Im fine with low sec missions making isk as thier is reel risk. And trust me you have more chance of having your hulk ganked by players in high sec, than a few rats killing your mission runner unless your ******** and newb.

In actuality, everything is botted. I am relatively sure that the only person who plays eve and is not a bot is the OP.

Most forum posters are actually bots as well.

Hostile player activity is not to be taken into acount when balancing pve income sources. First because it's not relevant when in the same "safe" area, second because it isn't a fixed data and can change a lot over time. And mission runners get ganked on a regular basis, too.


On top of that, mission running take more SP, more initial investment (a faction BS cost a ton more than a Hulk), some prior mission running experience, and require you to actually pay attention at what happens. (Even if the tengu is broken, yes. you can blame overpowered complex shield mods and oversized extenders).

Lets face it mining in with perfect skills. should make as much isk as mission running with perfect mission skills. And fleet mining should make as much isk as incursions... its called balance.

Dont blame the bots.. i blame ccp for not clamping down harder. IP BAN ALL BOTS.

how can thier be so many bots? fire the dude incharge of baning bots he is slacking.

Man really, join the witch hunt, the current mining system must die. If you want to kill a witch you must ignore her, forget her.

If you want to fix mining, don't mine until CCP decide it's time to fix it.

Mineral prices might go up when the botted mineral supply from Drone Regios ends. Also Inferno might bring enough incentives for large conflicts to bump up the demand. Mine now, sell later!

I think everybody agrees that L4 missions need to move to lowsec.

Man really, join the witch hunt, the current mining system must die. If you want to kill a witch you must ignore her, forget her.

If you want to fix mining, don't mine until CCP decide it's time to fix it.

I have to come to the conclusion that they dont care as they still get the money and do not want to lose subscriber's.

That won't fix anything. If people stop mining, the market will shift to reflect this. Bots will then pick up the slack and now we are back to were we actually are now. The only people who aren't bots that mine don't do it for money, they do it to relax or watch a movie.

If you want to make a difference get involved with the CSM, go to Fanfest, go to gaming conventions, and bring your concerns directly to CCP.

I would do that. But the real miners quiting will not stop all the botters- so as far as ccp would know thier are 20k happy miner's so happy that they mine 20 hours a day.

I cant belive that ccp are unaware of who the botters are. I have to come to the conclusion that they dont care as they still get the money and do not want to lose subscriber's.

Yep, you also have to realize that banning all these bots will make everything more expensive in game. Also CCP realizes that no one in their right mind would mine as a primary profession for more than a few weeks unless it is an alt character that they mostly afk mine with or its botted.

Then you sir are condoneing bots in order to keep your ships and mods cheap. What about the real miners every thing looks expensive because we cant make as much money as anyone els.. To put it into perspective, we make 45% less than a mission runner, so imagine if everything you had to buy was 45% more expensive, thats how we feel now.

Oh no no, I am not defending botting at all... I hate bots. I am just saying CCP does have its reasons that they are hesitant to ban bots. And also some very powerful eve alliances use bots to fuel their nullsec functions (I will not name names, but I am relatively sure that if you have heard of them, they use bots or at least knowingly tolerate them.... and CCP is a little too friendly to many of these alliances)

Also you are correct, bots do make mining for the real miners that are bots far less profitable. If mining was as profitable as running missions I would mine as much as I run missions. Since its such a massive loss to mine I don't bother with it anymore.

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